tags and with all spaces changed to nonbreaking spaces < 1384470497 433125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the links aren't even hyperlinked < 1384470514 81007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, this email could have been written entirely in plaintext, and would look the same as intended if it had been < 1384470547 260609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good argument for using the right format for your messages :) < 1384470586 857957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nite < 1384471028 176978 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1384471154 638678 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384472829 71871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1384473247 464888 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384473511 963461 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@host-224-239.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384473530 49239 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1384473532 119657 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1384473594 317009 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1384473700 385015 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384474298 407945 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384474371 881194 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1384475564 525540 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1384475808 118269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384476162 321987 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384476196 893960 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384476467 907067 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1384476679 946696 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384476776 763406 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384477259 947754 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@host-224-239.pubnet.pdx.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384477418 292798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384477616 99659 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.82 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384477847 946634 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384478720 811786 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-99-118.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384479335 467933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384480110 621259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384481703 202938 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384481881 753554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: early august is good in what regard? scrolling back forever is a pain < 1384481967 778917 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384481987 835282 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delimited continuations are exceedingly esoteric < 1384482002 477736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384482005 619262 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi doesthiswork < 1384482017 966473 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1384482023 253285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :your IP is showing < 1384482065 667566 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(~Adium@98.145.118.186)? < 1384482076 171775 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1384482118 554147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irc is coming from inside the house < 1384482160 387070 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384482709 242727 :Alexander_!5dadaea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.173.174.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1384482773 786752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: do you have any languages < 1384482790 858427 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at the moment < 1384482843 618522 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm trying to figure out how to make a inconsistent logic programming language work just well enough to be evil < 1384482932 145973 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have an idea for a language that uses a lazy learning mechanism to parse the input into constructs < 1384483493 601069 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1384483494 341076 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number < 1384483516 898147 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1384483578 106752 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number < 1384483579 98663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1384483582 8096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh < 1384483591 572207 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beautiful thing about that is it will change semantics over time < 1384483602 231761 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1384483604 55798 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy learning? what? < 1384483622 260850 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what you do in lecture < 1384483628 78167 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep through it and read the textbook < 1384483628 720445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also inconsistent logic sounds to me like the kind of system where explosion happens < 1384483659 307983 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently para inconsistent logics don't explode < 1384483740 714684 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just drop proof by disjunction < 1384483742 436387 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy learning is basically classifying input using the k-nearest neighbors from the training data. < 1384483745 379672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix everything in one fell swoop < 1384483828 746963 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic programming without modus ponens would be funny < 1384483882 632889 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think dropping proof by disjunction would be good < 1384483902 943156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: actually quite a lot of study of logic is proving that modus ponens is unnecessary < 1384483911 28868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not actually /wrong/, just they design their logics so they never have to use it < 1384483914 836416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it screws things up < 1384483965 575370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why does it screw things up? < 1384483998 752231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: basically because the structure of a term no longer guides its derivatoin < 1384484000 474899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*derivation < 1384484030 196644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1384484441 700017 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384485147 279033 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here know about building computers? < 1384485157 607125 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384485175 724220 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking i should have a pretty good windows computer but i don't know shit. < 1384485180 921582 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1. newegg.com < 1384485185 345675 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2. newegg.com < 1384485188 704226 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 3. newegg.com < 1384485190 530123 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1384485196 30197 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1384485197 358773 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many steps are there < 1384485227 909712 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384485229 156954 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget http://old-computer-parts/ < 1384485297 437778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, tht's not a real website! < 1384485415 105570 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.178.250 PART :#esoteric < 1384485419 819383 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-99-118.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384485525 462272 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1384486310 782262 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is there a good reason for blocking the ability to make diamond structures without requiring the GC? < 1384486324 827499 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyclic structures needing GC makes sense < 1384486801 976875 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler than detecting cycles? < 1384487511 731084 :^v!~Kevin@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384487511 927322 :v^!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:d1e7:c66b:7652:6436 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384487511 927562 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a data type that could potentially have diamonds without it being able to potentially have cycles < 1384487558 935442 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384487558 935581 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384487559 91710 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384487640 254888 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384487686 248651 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1384487751 352484 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you could < 1384487977 914135 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384488416 606994 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384488483 616181 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384488705 340078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what do you mean, how is it blocked? < 1384488737 553548 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have two owned pointers to the same box, right? < 1384488741 746089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384488753 651844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require reference counting or some other scheme to decide when they've both gone away < 1384488769 499054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned boxes have deterministic memory management; when an owning pointer is destroyed, the box is freed < 1384488775 141801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have to be unique < 1384488794 538163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is actually just refcounted and not GC'd at the moment < 1384488798 171616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's expected to change in the future < 1384488818 155513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a library type Rc which provides a more semantically clean version of refcounting < 1384488828 334345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Rust doesn't have smart pointer deref sugar yet, so it's a bit more cumbersome to use < 1384488841 920502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rc also statically forbids cycles < 1384488875 987401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's Arc which is "atomic reference counting" and can be shared between tasks < 1384488880 617542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are mut versions of both < 1384488903 141609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an Rc is an ownership root much like an @T, so it determines the mutability of the stuff inside) < 1384488985 573941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: people have argued you shouldn't think of ~T as a pointer at all; it's a value type similar to T but with an optimization to make sure it's never bigger than a word < 1384489016 222159 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1384489028 389073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also allows recursive structures... a ~T can hold another ~T but a struct can't contain a copy of the same struct < 1384489038 264276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they talk about a world where ~int and int have the same representation < 1384489373 528590 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about Rust? < 1384489430 729573 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a proper garbage collection in Rust would involve some kind of type visitors in order to detect the cycle < 1384489441 195465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what if an &int exists borrowed from that ~int? < 1384489448 905168 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or inaccurate gc) < 1384489449 509414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, would the &int point to the ~int rather than to the underlying int? < 1384489503 724441 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, &int points to the underlying int, but &int cannot live longer than ~int. < 1384489516 195216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I know it can't < 1384489522 93947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with ~int being the same as int, there isn't an underlying int < 1384489541 399848 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, you mean the internal representation? < 1384489554 227842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384489557 616907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :borrowing an ~int to an &int would then be the same as borrowing an int to an &int < 1384489560 474215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd point to the ~int directly, then < 1384489565 979432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, I see < 1384489569 882275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot you could do that < 1384489577 962530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«let x: ~int = ~3; f(&x);» that'll just pass a pointer to the stack < 1384489598 522307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can borrow stack vars and arguments as well as heap boxes < 1384489605 954208 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, &x is of the type &~int and not &int. < 1384489615 387693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: right, but it would be the same operationally < 1384489624 632718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ~int is the same operationally as int < 1384489650 570511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also depends on the fact that rust generics are monomorphized < 1384489654 826215 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a value in making ~int internally equivalent to int < 1384489669 823709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a generic function operating on ~T would have to produce different code for ~int and ~MyStruct < 1384489673 297503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's already what it does < 1384489684 807616 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and for ~Trait) < 1384489685 368664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I don't see huge value either, but it would save an allocation < 1384489694 827528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if for some reason you were making lots of owned-boxed ints < 1384489698 940219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know why that would be the case < 1384489702 99582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe generic code < 1384489707 982251 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought "they talk about a world where" was more supposed to be a conceptual thing. < 1384489713 661574 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK LLVM has some kind of malloc-to-reg passes < 1384489819 242126 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384489834 130871 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, actually, non-primitive non-boxed types behaves almost identically to owned boxes (major difference being the memory layout, of course), so using type params instead of using an explicit owned box can solve that problem. < 1384489932 236318 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In sequential code it is possible to control the flow of the program using if-then-else statements and various forms of loops. Such flow control structures have only recently been added to GPUs" so, i'm starting to think the wikipedia article on gpgpu is actually stupid < 1384490010 422481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1384490016 300290 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A variety of data structures can be represented on the GPU: * Dense arrays * Sparse arrays * Adaptive structures [citation needed]" < 1384490024 882572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: right < 1384490032 496974 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variety of data structures can be represented on the GPU: * Integers < 1384490039 575671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying there's not much you can do on a generic ~T that you can't also do on a T:Send ? < 1384490044 689415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1384490046 110804 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1384490049 338401 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers, single floats, the possibilities are limitless < 1384490053 570548 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not long ago that integers were not really a data type in gpus < 1384490059 830853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just floats < 1384490067 196274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's good enough for javascript < 1384490072 824817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: doubles were only added recently, too < 1384490076 898231 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Integers that fit in IEEE 754 binary floating point types. < 1384490080 902604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they always used to have at least slightly working ints to do array indexes < 1384490094 30449 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: apparently not all GPUs are ieee-conformant, just to punish me < 1384490123 50743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: most of them used not to be < 1384490133 144303 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, subnormals? :) < 1384490140 491340 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably subnormals < 1384490142 665478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they started adding IEEE conformance only recently, for people who wanted to do scientific computations on them < 1384490151 531364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384490164 379263 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seeing about the realism of my getting a GPU for games and also for work < 1384490165 773465 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java bytecode had something like strictfp, I think < 1384490194 139645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cha gonna do with one < 1384490209 713192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: strictfp is actually a keyword in Java < 1384490233 957745 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing all that interesting >_> simulations at lab take time to run, they'd take less time if i got 'em running on something good < 1384490250 172609 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would take some work to really parallelize it well though < 1384490272 645715 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it just runs different sims on different cores, which helps but is boring < 1384490294 251473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cha labbing? < 1384490312 562890 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1384490342 860369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :synonyms for labbing oh god you be testing my englishability. < 1384490354 300489 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. you pass. now what the fuck are you saying < 1384490354 604087 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you simulating at the lab < 1384490358 899595 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. muscles. < 1384490383 171402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooool < 1384490388 427814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real ones??? < 1384490395 109592 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1384490406 249591 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you put real muscles into a gpu < 1384490421 418355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNCLE MUSCLES < 1384490425 440309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUSCLES FOR BONES < 1384490427 517433 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking it might be possible to do the computations across space in parallel < 1384490431 236226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CASH FOR BONES < 1384490458 315248 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly my main motivation is that i want to fuck around but that's how it always is < 1384490461 532904 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: NETHACK.ALT.ORG HAS BONES < 1384490496 966693 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these your own muscles or like walrus muscles or what and how do you preserve them < 1384490526 199627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they virtual muscles which are real in the sense that they are real if you believe in them really really hard < 1384490535 701479 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some human muscles from football players who fucked up their feet, some fly muscles from catching flies and dissecting them, some rabbit muscles from killing rabbits < 1384490545 798165 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flies are killed too* < 1384490580 214734 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do flies have big muscles < 1384490589 495352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it look like when they flex < 1384490634 26295 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah gpus are awesome you should do everything with them < 1384490657 18504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once almost did something with them other than shading stuff but then i ended up not doing it but just daydreaming about how cool it would be to do it < 1384490677 592131 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was cool too < 1384490686 610849 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ok < 1384490800 936513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good q < 1384490829 339269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme ponder upon that < 1384490886 475199 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically science code is fucking terrible and rewriting it to be not terrible is fun and involves lots of cool optimization opportunities like "lexical scope" < 1384490887 934207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what was the thing you daydreamed < 1384490890 298064 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384490918 163278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cellular automata stuff < 1384490967 614543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right should have known < 1384490974 499369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be cool though. < 1384490980 52679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are no programs out there for implementing CA < 1384490982 417326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexical scope is p. great < 1384490983 604504 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i'm doing is linear algebra. Like, Who Cares, Man < 1384491019 10265 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What would you do that Golly can't handle? (not a challenge or anything it sounds supa cool) < 1384491034 245628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly is worse than C < 1384491038 509081 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to list the rule manually < 1384491054 19775 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna be honest i've only used golly because it makes pretty pictures < 1384491059 768426 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean, it does hashlife and all. < 1384491065 638708 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have more than 8 states it takes forever to write up a rule < 1384491073 134525 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually CA have hundreds of thousands of states < 1384491080 585631 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see. < 1384491094 370329 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually in the sense that i have some specific ones i'd like to see implemented < 1384491100 812932 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most complex CA i know is von neumann's. i'm a dabbla, see < 1384491114 502439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 29 state constructor thing maybe < 1384491119 758201 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that one. < 1384491255 829158 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1384491264 269509 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my only concrete new idea is to do (n+1)-dimensional SFTs instead of n-dimensional CA, the rest is hype < 1384491282 318397 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know that initialism. < 1384491292 528689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :subshift of finite type, like wang tiles < 1384491308 974651 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know that concept either but i know wang at least. < 1384491336 289995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you would just draw signals and stuff, and it would say "this is downward deterministic, would you like to make it a CA" < 1384491356 98816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wang tiles are squares with colors on their left, top, right, bottom sides < 1384491360 940954 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1384491365 380700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you fill Z^2 with them so that colors match < 1384491370 331321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't turn them < 1384491382 761982 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and that's uncomputable and whatnot. < 1384491399 90462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether or not Z^2 can indeed be filled is undecidable, yes < 1384491441 227742 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is the same thing as a cellular automaton on a one-dimensional SFT, restricted to its limit set < 1384491482 285297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a one-dimensional SFT includes the full shift S^Z CA are usually run on, and basically just means wang tiles with only left/right colors < 1384491505 380431 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and limit set is the set of configurations with an infinite chain of preimages < 1384491507 866796 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1384491522 429164 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like dynamics. < 1384491539 649508 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not like dynamics. < 1384491541 850879 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever. < 1384491583 685274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-dimensional SFTs are dynamical systems with the shift maps giving an action of Z < 1384491613 966359 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-dimensional SFTs are dynamical systems with an obvious Z^2 action < 1384491639 365915 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automata are dynamical systems with an N-action given by repeating it < 1384491644 806196 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Z if the CA is reversible < 1384491771 384029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an action of a group G on a space X means a homomorphism from G to the group of continuous homeomorphism from X to itself) < 1384491801 39530 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry i didn't know what dynamics means so i guess i did a dictionary look up or something) < 1384492214 652039 :v^!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:d1e7:c66b:7652:6436 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384492876 243000 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1384492934 318096 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384493569 867675 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you had asked me whether or not it was possible to get a 2x speedup for my LazySorted project by adding a single line of code, I would have told you "No way, substantial speedups can really only come from algorithm changes."" < 1384493609 217335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit commenters pointed out that the line in question is incorrect, it can read out of bounds while trying to calculate the address to prefetch < 1384493610 621014 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess every algorithm change affects multiple lines of code, according to this person? < 1384493623 40834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefetching's safe if the address to fetch isn't valid, but not if something goes wrong calculating it < 1384493631 622925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: memoize('function_to_memoize'); < 1384493662 121946 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking about work, and how I'm about to do what is essentially a major algorithm change in two li.. actually, hmm, it's more than two lines of code < 1384493685 679397 :v^!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:d1e7:c66b:7652:6436 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384493695 993174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice example < 1384493724 961386 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: luckily i don't know anything. < 1384493732 943045 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of (besides work), some language where the functions you use on data structures are overloaded, but one line can determine whether you're working with a linked-list or a vector < 1384494120 542220 :v^!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:d1e7:c66b:7652:6436 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384494312 930049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x speedup is not that substantial < 1384494330 778967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :algorithm changes usually get you tends-to-infinity-x speedup < 1384494349 340412 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://developer.nvidia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/banner_slideshow/akamai/cuda/images/banners/GeoINT_Defense_700x240_static.jpg nvidia promises me vast fields of geoint, and also jpeg artifacts < 1384494502 980383 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384495716 881726 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a neat whitepaper on this stuff. apparently instead of fp control stuff every instruction just has rounding modes and stuff encoded. (attn fiora i need your help) < 1384498917 145777 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384500021 689143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD's new APU, "Kaveri", means (approximately) "a friend, a pal" in Finnish. < 1384501404 936316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1384503099 700480 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384503406 837808 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384504771 697895 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384506645 235751 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384508450 442132 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384508843 120176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384509864 246121 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384510188 114082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384511435 7900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know spammers are making you nervous when you google the nick of new registrations < 1384511507 401936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an SMS that my mobile number had won £2.5M and I just need to email some random-looking gmail address to claim it. < 1384511516 919213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ~first SMS spam, I think. < 1384511518 537019 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like spam to me < 1384511549 503489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, "just"; it came at around 05am and woke me up.) < 1384511662 640464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how loud is your sms sound < 1384511769 673443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... haven't measured. < 1384512106 277405 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i got my first just a few weeks ago too < 1384512251 112221 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they have to pay to send SMS in Europe? < 1384512256 106380 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be some expensive spamming < 1384512294 440134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they found a loophole to that < 1384512336 209196 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the US, SMS is recipient-pays, for some bizarre historical reason < 1384512346 169305 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which at least means SMS spamming is really cracked down on < 1384512453 868012 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :docsdept2013@gmail.com < 1384512466 734480 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 million pounds < 1384512487 365038 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :recipient pays? < 1384512497 585245 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.178.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384512503 591109 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your number gets known by someone random, they can make you pay as much as they like? < 1384512539 725804 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: pretty much < 1384512635 318521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland, it's relatively easy to move anyone whose name you know, you just call the authorities and say you've moved, and they update your address < 1384512657 319938 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they ask where you were born or something, but for example i don't remember and it was fine < 1384512665 851150 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was born in sweden) < 1384512673 774236 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few prepaid customers in the US pay for each SMS they receive but it's much more common (even on prepaid) to have some "unlimited SMS" package < 1384512691 302071 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, that would make sense < 1384512697 290094 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still recipient pays, but they buy in bulk < 1384512709 526096 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same for sending in the UK < 1384512751 519125 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the risk of spam is one of several factors that pushes people towards such packages < 1384512861 634504 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never actually send/receive SMS through my carrier anyway though, because i use google voice for that which uses my data connection < 1384512930 385154 :ais523_!93bcc343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.67 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1384513336 599701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think mine was the same. < 1384513536 271579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember there being a news article about this particular scam few weeks back.) < 1384514416 763036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh they seem to have fixed that annoying windows 8.1 spellchecking bug < 1384514437 551740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, you couldn't turn it off) < 1384514697 18097 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384515139 855205 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384515310 241171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, Timwi is learning haskell. < 1384515314 899376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :be very afraid. < 1384515499 289433 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I hope his learning experience goes better than mine did < 1384515523 688834 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I was programming Haskell as though it was Python < 1384515529 210227 :Tefaj!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de NICK :Jafet < 1384515531 479494 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I code Python as though it were Haskell < 1384515539 741027 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1384515539 897593 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1384515544 325861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partying like it's 1991, and coding Haskell like it's Python. < 1384515566 977272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding 1991 haskell like it's 1991 python? < 1384515568 77753 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fact n = reduce(lambda x, y: x * y, range(1,n+1)) < 1384515589 254868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly surprised xkcd hasn't done "party(ing) like it's ____" plot yet. (Or if so, I don't remember it.) < 1384515642 329048 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384515717 65330 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: for python < 3, using xrange may be better than range) < 1384515739 608783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"total error: NaN" I don't know if that's a good thing or not. < 1384515747 334700 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and actually, reduce isn't in Python 3?) < 1384515794 476017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That certainly sounds like programming Haskell. "What, it's not in this version?" < 1384515817 407941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :from functools import reduce, perhaps. < 1384515883 417339 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, that's where it ended up < 1384516130 622588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :from HaskellPretenders import foldl, foldr < 1384516490 164267 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384516520 157094 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516525 619943 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516560 815145 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1384516560 971353 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516673 855582 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516687 138439 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516690 22843 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric : YOU MAY BE WATCHED < 1384516690 179186 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING < 1384516690 179367 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING WARNING < 1384516690 179482 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric : YOU MAYWATCHED < 1384516690 179603 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MAY BE WATCHED < 1384516690 930417 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric : YOU MAY BE WATCHED < 1384516691 87177 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) < 1384516691 880821 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do usa&Israel use chat &facebook 2 spy?!?!?!? < 1384516692 37592 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they record &analyse everything we type?!?!?!? < 1384516692 608979 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516715 309926 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516720 909429 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516733 844628 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516740 174892 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516742 431114 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked today's XKCD < 1384516753 850013 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516754 991740 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516769 371719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, still weak imo < 1384516777 362470 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516824 238312 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it has an actual joke < 1384516841 495120 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516842 4189 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good start and I want to encourage them < 1384516852 613732 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516857 961406 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516876 369888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, only barely! < 1384516880 901429 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384516899 983624 :esucg0aq47trgb8!~esucg0aq4@41.46.192.90 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1384516904 408885 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take jokes where they come! < 1384516979 647555 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There did not seem to be one in today's Gunnerkrigg Court, but that's okay because Gunnerkrigg Court is much more story-based than xkcd < 1384517025 11885 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Freefall is on hiatus this week < 1384517032 274220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1384517040 950143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that even possible < 1384517049 466787 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Family medical emergency, apparently < 1384517058 207173 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Due to family medical problems (not mine, but still requires my attention), Freefall will be on Hiatus for a week. Sorry about that everyone." < 1384517179 797913 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Annie < 1384517190 47730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the first day i've managed not to check anyhow. < 1384517214 617695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent like 15 minutes clustering a matrix full of zeros. < 1384517222 149921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sanity checks might've been nice. < 1384517240 305672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1384517242 78150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was a typo in the code loading files, it was assigning to a whole another matrix.) < 1384517243 850978 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1384517254 239005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO SANITY HERE < 1384517272 430963 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I check Freefall daily for no good reason < 1384517286 484126 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get highlighted by freefall < 1384517290 120680 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1384517352 986895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i meant "daily when it usually updates" < 1384517389 309031 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean daily < 1384517528 679536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also, discworldproblems? how many r/*problems subreddits _are_ there these days? < 1384517636 176117 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) why are you redditstalking me? and b) I have no idea. At least 4 < 1384517664 985318 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384517682 117834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're on my friends list hth < 1384517715 783182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be the creepy friends list that requires no confirmation or even notification of the 'friend' < 1384517726 874114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. you're on it too btw < 1384517739 622678 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, to be fair you're on mine, oerjan < 1384517743 905141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1384517754 949063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of you are my friends < 1384517755 590654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1384517778 259646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i cannot be held responsible for reddit's poor choice of terminology. < 1384517782 700906 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a shame, you're my friend < 1384517816 709629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ok you're my friend < 1384517825 20504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is too old though < 1384517832 295723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad trombone < 1384517910 349269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1384517915 499880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → campus
< 1384518174 127489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384518755 463251 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384518997 765907 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384520347 267382 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384520350 773453 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384520513 763142 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384520522 673829 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384520759 346859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384521348 18977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning! < 1384521355 147417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan good ørjanight! < 1384521355 496083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384521374 262483 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1384521705 87544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanello! < 1384521721 659246 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it “tanellob”? I can never seem to conjugate your name properly.) < 1384521861 706824 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think this would be the vocative < 1384521896 390681 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Taneb"'s a name, so I think you'd decline it rather than conjugate it < 1384521943 613656 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1384523010 215755 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, 1614 pages and still going strong. really, people flock over the pointlessest things these days... < 1384523146 824770 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384523518 760718 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:6023:185d:7c61:7b99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384524297 460736 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@ps95204.dreamhost.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384524549 827251 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:6023:185d:7c61:7b99 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384525141 703127 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@ps95204.dreamhost.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384525336 994809 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384525382 691524 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384525490 744195 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384525761 63253 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384525825 818886 :metasepia!~metasepia@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384525962 753306 :carado_!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384526056 984158 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384526698 239702 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384527084 285009 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you reading, boily? < 1384527481 186430 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384527657 667361 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:e8ce:17c5:88aa:e569 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384527900 67864 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: irregular check up on the OTT in the xkcd forums. < 1384528146 760143 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"off topic threads"? < 1384528176 200147 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the One True Thread, cf. xkcd 1190 “Time”. < 1384528302 25007 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. Very interesting! < 1384529513 242653 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384529535 368969 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got feedback on a programming formative assessment < 1384529575 214744 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lecturer said that it was good, but I should take my time a bit, put more useful comments in, and more line breaks, and also re-read the question < 1384529583 259094 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also put in tests < 1384529595 276303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you mis-read in the question? < 1384529605 749461 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384529662 368774 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I wish more people would learn those other points (comments, line breaks, write tests first, and slow down) < 1384529673 956630 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: one of the tasks was to write a script that takes a sentence and prints the total number of words and the average number of characters per word < 1384529698 744773 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/CDVQvme5tb0 < 1384529698 983023 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a function that just returned the average number of characters per word < 1384529720 470832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"useful" comments is key... when you tell students to write lots of comments you get code like "int x = 3; // Declare an integer variable named x and set its initial value to 3" < 1384529737 175719 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and then they take that habit into the workplace... < 1384529784 342724 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also useful names! far too often do I see things like this: "int intX = 3; // set intX to 3" < 1384529794 883307 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my only comment was along the lines of "I like this function" < 1384529799 811171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1384529800 259711 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless prefixes madden me < 1384529821 653257 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it may have actually been a method, I'm not sure) < 1384529826 345587 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1384529839 507986 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mrhmouse: theil eventually learn < 1384529848 56071 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind stupid overcommenting from new coders < 1384529850 399722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: the best kind of type system is one where you write the types every time and also you don't get any static checking... i'm pretty sure there's no better kind of type system < 1384529864 867838 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you mean C ? < 1384529885 451171 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I did something in three lines that I could have done in one < 1384529920 19197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: well it's not so bad when the good kinds of comments are also present, yeah < 1384529941 755729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that explain 'how' and 'why' rather than the 'what' which is already part of the code < 1384529977 682632 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, my lecturer specifically asked about the "why" in one case < 1384529988 832379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the dictate is "lots of comments" you won't bother with those kind because they're harder to write and there will be few of them anyway < 1384530019 172032 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384530054 848561 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had done something that was less efficient than the quickest thing matching specification but slightly more general < 1384530060 742930 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: I have coworkers who still do that, so I don't believe they ever learn < 1384530085 257862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda like codebases where most code has no comments but occasionally there's a 4 paragraph comment explaining some tricky shit < 1384530092 369938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will payattention :) < 1384530098 778820 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I prefer static typing with type inference (a la D or Cobra) < 1384530112 216828 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I rarely comment at all, actually, except for the documentation comments < 1384530126 295442 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because I rarely have a method that's more than five lines long. < 1384530381 542027 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I comment tricky, unusual, surprising or implicit stuff. I comment exceptions, and reasons I throw them. I comment expectations, workflow, and how you should manage resources' lifecycles. < 1384530465 591595 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that I stick in documentation comments. For exceptions, I don't use comments (I just give a detailed exception message). I don't comment expectations or garauntees - those are done in the specifications and contracts. < 1384530519 948078 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Workflow is only documented if it's unexpected or unclear, and often I'll just reference what approach I'm taking ("this is the visitor pattern", etc) and why < 1384530564 12831 :carado_!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384530602 138745 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... can't actually remember what grade I was given < 1384530617 776848 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was a first with room for improvement < 1384530634 166188 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said "Try to beat last year's best, which was 96%" < 1384530648 972202 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always room for improvement, no matter how good the code looks or how experienced the coder :) < 1384530659 119842 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, congrats on the 96%! < 1384530706 241604 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the 96% is my target, not my mark < 1384530814 562344 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384531240 979026 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384531340 715589 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead NICK :conehead < 1384531384 99201 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1384531504 262276 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384532324 218280 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 QUIT :Quit: INVESTIGATION < 1384532489 333495 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: in a programming language that integrates those fancy features, of course comments become redundant. < 1384532526 447346 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ô, how I wish Python had static typing) < 1384532664 96070 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.178.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just wrote to Knuth to ask if he ever played Core War! :-)
< 1384532687 322631 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1384532709 670210 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Python is a dynamic language mate; you're asking to make an apple an orange ;) < 1384532745 544658 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: nothing less. besides, oranges taste good. < 1384532747 528243 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for languages that don't integrate those "fancy features" (I'm guessing you mean contracts), I use a library that allows me to use them < 1384532760 254882 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384532762 953160 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384532765 851105 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, with C# at work, we use SpecFlow. At home with CoffeeScript, I use Vows < 1384532794 855901 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit annoying to separate the specifications from the code, but it's better than nothing. < 1384532904 270129 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:e8ce:17c5:88aa:e569 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384532927 726465 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:e8ce:17c5:88aa:e569 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384532945 735104 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy is written in CoffeeScript... I really should have written tests for him :P < 1384532946 369441 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why. < 1384532956 79895 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, nevermind then < 1384533074 618428 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy, have you met fungot? < 1384533074 884327 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.flame.org/jivera/ random/ fnord ( sic) < 1384533075 86616 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384533091 57070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to set up ruddy and fungot on a date
< 1384533091 335033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: silicon castles http://www.cowlark.com/ fnord libcurl: http error ( 404?) < 1384533103 637076 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy doesn't respond to /me yet.. need to fix that < 1384533104 73193 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew? < 1384533184 176075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy..... < 1384533198 749674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: why don't you respond? :( < 1384533199 177246 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384533213 279947 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ruddy can't figure out a suitable response, he just stays silent < 1384533213 729572 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know. I never underwent one. < 1384533234 844456 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: you never underwent what? < 1384533235 298370 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my spirit animal is a horsey < 1384533242 102048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: oh, right, that. < 1384533242 571968 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it too. < 1384533268 706627 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure ruddy's spirit animal is fungot < 1384533268 915673 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1384533269 71935 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: aren't fnord those funny fnord tiny pachyderms that live on a small bf interpreter ( without very much bf fnord). it's not related to " normal" < 1384533297 429688 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: some people here tried matchmaking ruddy and fungot, with no avail. < 1384533297 596652 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it is often confusing for new u-' < 1384533297 984807 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2am :P < 1384533325 495128 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you'd have to get fungot to say its name for that to even have a chance. < 1384533325 709033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: even solaris would be better to specify it on each function call < 1384533326 831810 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing bot on bot action in the early morning? oooooh :D < 1384533348 27605 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then, ruddy would have to pick a response that included a name placeholder. < 1384533348 794849 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but produces a function on-the-fly at startup. sorry, this is tedious. http://62.167.150.30/ acm100.c of < 1384533375 890262 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384533546 134960 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tiny pachyderms living on small bf interpreters..? < 1384533546 292763 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i wanted to make it work in msg? i don't < 1384533551 457994 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ruddy hi how are you? < 1384533551 614288 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy hi how are you? ruddy hi how are you? < 1384533551 830394 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohnoi'mfallingover! < 1384533552 78545 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your IP is showing < 1384533565 329700 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy is quite rude < 1384533565 768824 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I guess I should have played the game in order to understand what is going on. < 1384533576 152166 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: the game of love? < 1384533576 716330 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the right word may have been aesthetic < 1384533582 762451 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: oh. < 1384533583 39542 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-[-[-]]] e.g. < 1384533601 449417 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly.. aesthetically pleasing < 1384533649 378868 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unless a fungottian bot, he actually balances his brackets. < 1384533649 605574 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i just clicked through links." :) is it possible make it print 10 first in a series of < 1384533774 876946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384534179 823323 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1384534215 255455 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1384534326 344094 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-120.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384534865 866797 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ruddy is just an echo bot. < 1384534866 201011 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they started adding IEEE conformance only recently, for people who wanted to do scientific computations on them < 1384534893 359102 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to have it understand a subset of English at some point, so that it can munge messages together < 1384535288 980726 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384535354 617673 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384536097 116511 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384536119 141591 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384536800 95067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Won't you stop with the balanced parentheses already what kind of balanced paren fascist pig you are aaagagagaga < 1384536958 966792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1384536959 123514 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti.*|metasepia|jconn)! < 1384536968 144979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti.*|metasepia|jconn|ruddy)! < 1384536968 301666 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1384536968 458384 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(Frooxius|conehead|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|ruddy|oonbotti.*|fizzie|jconn)! < 1384536979 924223 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done, fizzie < 1384536995 996165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, you can get fungot to say anything you want, with ^bf/^ul(/^str). < 1384536996 377239 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you wouldn't get much out of multi-processor boards. especially on machines with finite memorys of... a python love story looks rather like she of the magic compiler chip. < 1384537030 102739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't remember a Frooxius or a conehead at all.) < 1384537039 126727 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not a bot) < 1384537075 164150 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? Oo < 1384537078 947640 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy is just replacing names at random, and he stole your (fizzie) "response" to fungot < 1384537079 300607 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: i understand the way kawa works. the second book, soo...... you are going to support it < 1384537079 597008 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1384537094 365399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's some mungling in there already. < 1384537122 562388 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it replaces names with the currently active users to maintain an appearance of conversation < 1384537151 433374 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most cases there are only one or two names to replace, but you gave it a huge list to use with that line to fungot < 1384537151 606478 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: like, the first thing you notice is that emacs and the shell < 1384537179 212969 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384537319 7514 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands conehead some botsnack
< 1384537362 712644 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`buttsnack < 1384537364 579296 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww < 1384538008 981880 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.85 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384538155 583103 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384538429 944977 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384538508 245918 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1384538848 148421 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384539430 962138 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384539770 166020 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195142868 < 1384540473 920910 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384540478 792954 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you playing on, Imax?! < 1384540714 135503 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, with a resolution to size ratio the same as my netbook, that would be ten million cm across < 1384540743 961322 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which netbook? < 1384540752 714832 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some asus crap i got a year ago < 1384540757 445031 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1384540786 103572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a sony vaio p and i am looking for some kind of successor, but i didn't find one yet < 1384540796 401506 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly got the cheapest one i could find < 1384541015 73598 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384541055 3902 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like imax is 10000×7000, so < 1384541067 663953 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch and fizzie aaagagagagas me. < 1384541079 703410 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: pixels? < 1384541111 208026 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. source: random crap on wikipedia i might be misinterpreting < 1384541357 658210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, math ... "Most IMAX theatres use two 4000x2000 reolution projectors to produce an 8000x4000 resolution image." < 1384541421 460343 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are the projectors overlapping at all? < 1384541433 502853 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell? < 1384541447 876812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this from? < 1384541504 682101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091101105136AAbmCcJ < 1384541516 43926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :another random internet page < 1384541533 208971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't expect anything good from yahoo anwers < 1384541597 93128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384541640 802992 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most favouritest answer is the first one on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags < 1384541655 930056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hello < 1384541658 54101 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hello hello, what's all this then? < 1384541706 192936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more funny numbers ... http://www.celco.com/FormatResolutionTable4K.asp < 1384541757 288319 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's everyone's favorite, boily. < 1384541777 520397 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384541785 416430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not mine < 1384541798 886575 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384541802 423593 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bla bla random rant about regular languages" < 1384541818 868619 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1384541829 49954 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you are not everyone, then. < 1384541847 16271 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good! < 1384541868 211788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoilyssä < 1384541944 836803 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boerjan après-midi. < 1384542008 707360 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: inessive??? < 1384542113 559165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :legjóilybb estét < 1384542155 186713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no ´ in superlative, sorry < 1384542174 147065 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boilyest evening? well, I'm flattered. < 1384542183 680938 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're learning hungarian? that's neat. < 1384542204 281012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i picked up a little years ago < 1384542220 114910 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many languages do you know anyway? < 1384542235 794229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "know"? < 1384542242 767938 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "language"? < 1384542273 542108 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is a set datastructure that just has 'add an element' and membership testing going to be something i can get out of matlab or do i have to do it myself somehow < 1384542327 769143 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1384542342 555737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd consider myself fluent in english, norwegian, and by extension near-fluent in swedish and danish. i can probably get by in german with some effort. everything else is on a lower level, including the french i've actually had lessons in. < 1384542393 46201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's been a long time since i sincerely tried getting by in german, though.) < 1384542553 699786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you want what i've dabbled through a few grammar or textbook chapters in, you've got italian, latin, czech and hungarian. and esperanto. < 1384542564 134759 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right < 1384542616 198512 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no quenya nor any sindarin at all? < 1384542640 677436 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooks like the matlab cas (why does matlab have a cas) has sets, but they let you do weird optionsn like "indexing"... < 1384542674 982978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't remember any of their grammar to speak of, although i _do_ recall visiting the aldalambion web page. < 1384542701 806106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ardalambion < 1384542745 4182 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384542781 952435 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when one visits ardalambion, one remembers the backgrounds. < 1384543005 393888 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1384543024 823374 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384543033 439440 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384543050 217717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't seem like a very memorable background < 1384543115 981725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have cleaned up whatever it was that held my mouse pad stuck to the desk < 1384543411 402199 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.85 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1384543596 568733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: In a modern-enough MATLAB (I don't know details), you can use http://www.mathworks.se/help/matlab/map-containers.html < 1384543603 701735 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: backgrounds, in the pluralo-chromatic sense of the term. view the pages. bask in the colours. < 1384543620 95349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's also a longstanding tradition of using structs as impromptu hashmaps (and hashsets), but that comes with some rather bad gotchas related to field name restrictions and so on. < 1384543645 55752 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1384543646 912619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (And of course only works for string keys, unlike containers.Map. (Also, it's slower.)) < 1384543666 993595 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i might just use a bitvector, this should probably be parallizable in the future anyway < 1384543678 519661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Last fact not guaranteed to be true.) < 1384543688 794204 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed is what i was going for, right now the "set" is a vector and an element is added with vec(end+1) = element < 1384543699 561717 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which like...you know. < 1384543716 369694 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't actually a set < 1384543766 497124 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only used as a set. < 1384543769 35677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a containers.Map (with just 'true's as values) might not be too bad. (Or, of course, some sort of bitvector if the keys have a feasible range for that.) < 1384543778 78076 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding an element and finding if something is in it are the only things done with it. < 1384543789 188570 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'll have to check the range but i think it should be fine < 1384543900 396860 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384544002 644091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Map is probably the fastest built-in way for generic hashmaps, and I believe was quite the welcomed addition, thanks to the "struct hack" (no relation to C's struct hack) being so horrible. < 1384544012 275786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a 2008b feature. < 1384544018 374931 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on 2009b, i think < 1384544036 145821 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm going to make a hacky tool i can use to run the program and get a graphed distribution of the values of some variable < 1384544052 810683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not terribly new. But not as bad as, say, 7.x would be. < 1384544101 672065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess theoretically R2009b is still also a 7.x. But I mean something like R14. < 1384544105 561923 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's the one i have. because that's the year i stole it :P < 1384544122 232321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's the deal with the version/release dichotomy. < 1384544145 783952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hi boily < 1384544156 218601 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want it to work, man, no time 4 thinking < 1384544160 926870 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhintopia! < 1384544221 245777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok good < 1384544233 978609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes 6.0 - R12, 6.1 - R12.1, 6.5 - R13, 7 - R14, 7.1 - R14SP3, then 7.2, 7.3, ..., 7.14 are R2006a, R2006b, ..., R2012a, and then 8, 8.1 and 8.2 are the newest R2012b, R2013a and R2013b. < 1384544259 380372 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you doing anything < 1384544261 198129 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic. < 1384544276 764724 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: who? what? when? < 1384544281 559855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1384544285 282505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1384544295 687686 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-120.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 358 seconds < 1384544340 815258 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating gummy bears as a mean to not fall asleep during a SCRUM training. < 1384544436 218354 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrum is so irritating.. In concept, it sounds great. Once or twice a week, it would be great < 1384544451 652842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IYPd look at all that MATLAB < 1384544467 792866 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every single morning.. it's just an interruption where the whole team nods and says "yep, I'm still working on that thing from yesterday" < 1384544475 152207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tab completion.) < 1384544510 611024 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: come working for us, then! you'd feel right at home. < 1384544535 131062 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well now i feel better about my work setup. < 1384544567 928934 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: aren't you in canadia? < 1384544590 193680 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I am at canada. < 1384544620 97832 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could get there via ICBM < 1384544630 773443 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I owe you some royalties for the “at canada” brand. < 1384544631 199106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384544657 632713 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: Québec is lovely this time of the year! it's very warm here! < 1384544661 975981 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1384544662 448090 :metasepia!~metasepia@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 151900Z 23016G23KT 30SM FEW070 BKN080 BKN240 10/M01 A3003 RMK AC2AC4CI1 CI TR SLP171 < 1384544684 772736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's just one of them. In another, I have to say (e.g.) "module load matlab/r2013a", and in yet another there's just the three latest in the path. < 1384544696 712016 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from the south-eastern US.. I think I would freeze to death in a Canadian heat wave < 1384544751 511246 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384544792 213177 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Windows updates... < 1384545446 600055 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1384545483 220947 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1384545490 399896 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384545551 719900 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384545793 484115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is scrum < 1384545899 348402 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw "g major" is the best youtube meme in a while < 1384545954 799814 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384546100 974888 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: an Agile Programming Method. slightly less bullshitty than the other methods. < 1384546111 282103 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is g major? < 1384546177 497856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a music video, spectrally filter all frequencies not in the key of g major, reverse the video, publish to youtube < 1384546193 785328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i the most terrifying one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45lB-fyB87Y < 1384546213 442642 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384546251 194713 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't watch it now. it'll have to wait, but I think I'll be properly terrified tonight by that grotesque thing. < 1384546329 37607 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384546523 899313 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384546571 444787 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384546759 358796 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:e8ce:17c5:88aa:e569 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384547085 965782 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1384547137 814740 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the key word in "slightly less bullshitty" is "slightly" < 1384547175 216951 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it is physically non-null. < 1384547248 417338 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow < 1384547479 56425 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“it”, meaning the difference. < 1384547499 753225 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have subtly left out some important context. my brain is not in functioning order at the moment. < 1384547838 486806 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1384547846 4166 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384548249 584654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you patch your brain < 1384548316 786335 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drinks tea. delicious tea. it tastes good.
< 1384548338 590363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: find me some delicious tea that tastes bad < 1384548347 2565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it david's tea?) < 1384548376 356201 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. some unknown oolong sold to me by an enthusiastic guy in Montréal's Chinatown. < 1384548388 382216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1384548394 352438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often you gp there < 1384548396 661105 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1384548400 371081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try passing it through a civet < 1384548446 390288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: musky oolong? < 1384548450 697414 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once every 2 months, I'd say. last time I blew up about 70$ on multiple teas. < 1384548458 51057 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cha luwak? < 1384548529 67065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't think that "up" belongs there, unless you have a youtube link to prove it. < 1384548563 150438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't destroy my dreams < 1384548573 250287 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't destroy my dreamy explosions. < 1384548608 381304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :explosive dreams < 1384548641 345672 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 243 seconds < 1384549620 306527 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384550293 747722 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9f9:13c5:793d:587e JOIN :#esoteric < 1384550380 8808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tea is good < 1384550394 131607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sips some earl grey
< 1384550433 949462 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384550445 483095 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the biggest shock for me when I moved to "the big city" was the tea < 1384550459 211434 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I grew up we had two kinds of tea: sweet and unsweet < 1384550537 466807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're giving me flashbacks to when I put sugar in the tea.. < 1384550582 922209 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting sugar in tea after it's brewed just isn't the same as sweet tea < 1384550703 576723 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately, I started brewing Hong-Kong style milk tea at home. < 1384551443 588103 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384551444 512503 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9f9:13c5:793d:587e QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384551471 748029 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9f9:13c5:793d:587e JOIN :#esoteric < 1384551759 947748 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I modify a transformation matrix so it treats a different point as the origin < 1384551782 412637 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apply a translation to it < 1384551792 252744 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1384551799 54611 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not thinking about this right, hang on < 1384551865 440777 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384552407 694862 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384552439 374002 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1384552481 182879 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1384552481 339482 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384552546 844031 :Bike!~Glossina@steams-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384552715 401355 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for Taneb.
< 1384553021 932470 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I have something with its own origin (x1, y1) and a transformation matrix applied to it assuming that origin, M < 1384553065 116359 :Bike!~Glossina@steams-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i had my own origin < 1384553066 495586 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I have a secondary origin (x2, y2), and a transformation matrix applied around that origin, N < 1384553189 783368 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To begin with, (x1, y1) is gonna be transformed by N < 1384553397 126649 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some paper... < 1384553426 143167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite understand what "transformation matrix applied around an origin" means, given that it's just a matrix. But you could certainly first translate point (x2, y2) to (x1, y1), apply your thing, and then translate (x1, y1) back to (x2, y2), if that's the sort of thing you had in mind. < 1384553434 242421 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb : There are matrices you can use for translations < 1384553457 326846 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get this clear in my own mind before I ask for help... < 1384553473 704034 :Bike!~Glossina@steams-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he probably means a rotation around that point or whatnot < 1384553502 348686 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows, it could be a skew or a conformal transformation! < 1384553518 326979 :metasepia!~metasepia@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384553534 664909 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEPY CHICKEN! < 1384553556 837133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that'd just be T1 N T2, or so on. < 1384553587 21844 :Bike!~Glossina@steams-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1384553605 552584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or T^-1 N T.) < 1384553716 98077 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though beware < 1384553729 396041 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to change your rotation matrix if you want to apply a translation < 1384553755 301414 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a n dimensional vector, you need (n+1)x(n+1) translation matrices < 1384553771 350679 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the vector becomes (x1, x2, x3, ..., xn, 1) < 1384553777 902091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort of assuming homogenous coordinates by default. < 1384553794 211855 :Bike!~Glossina@steams-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also taneb pretyt much specified this is all on the plane. < 1384553808 537947 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well in that case the translation matrix is 3x3 < 1384553812 288640 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's on a plane < 1384553817 539827 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the vector transforms to (x,y,1) < 1384553866 135563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often you see those as 2x3 matrices with an implicit [0 0 1] at the bottom. < 1384553923 543183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like in the SVG "matrix(a b c d e f)" transform attribute.) < 1384553932 453672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see you are doing affine without me < 1384553952 278025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's affine day for it. < 1384554221 114657 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384554232 312437 :updog!~updog@192.210.145.119 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384554251 265041 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384555011 883971 :Bike!~Glossina@steams-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1384555625 60007 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384556362 739956 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384556450 895399 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384556506 216844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimeo.com/79179138 I'm sure this is old news, but it was the fanciest. < 1384556535 133446 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384556565 25171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3 days ago" so in Internet time that's like six generations. < 1384556960 762725 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cool. i hadn't seen it! < 1384557165 423946 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, cool < 1384557188 514903 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd seen pictures of that, but not the actual video) < 1384557215 376591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i finished my SELECT. interpreter. would someone like to test it? would someone like to host it so i can change the category to Implemented? < 1384557282 773003 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384557292 238027 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i can host it < 1384557302 769836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no guarantees i won't go stale < 1384557390 899332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just put it into a gist or something? < 1384557503 315093 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys < 1384557510 137040 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384557510 935733 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there "standard libraries" < 1384557521 975105 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not make them part of the language if they are standard < 1384557535 620114 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that's what standard library means? < 1384557556 968787 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no, you still need to call them up < 1384557566 252292 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they are themselves written in the language itself < 1384557604 308710 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily? < 1384557623 286034 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but in the case they are, let's say < 1384557638 917964 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering why not just make them part of the language itself < 1384557643 731094 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1384557650 405788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they aren't? < 1384557657 398547 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I see the distinction < 1384557682 710370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"utilities that people use a lot" doesn't necessarily mean "a bunch of extra code you definitely want linked into your app" < 1384557729 121458 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if it's part of the language it wouldn't be extra code technically < 1384557729 896908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's called "the PHP model", where everything in the "standard library" is available in your global namespace by default. < 1384557778 374896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The C standard library certainly is part of the language, FWIW.) < 1384557801 865356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384557813 429675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: meaning it is all inside the compiler somewhere? < 1384557830 340289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ready to be tacked on to code without having to import? < 1384557833 247094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's what "part of the language" means. < 1384557840 550859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384557847 824705 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what Slereah means either < 1384557861 882179 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter I guess < 1384557863 832445 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is late < 1384557866 978724 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to bed < 1384557873 980514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the SELECT. interpreter is here: http://rutteric.com/files/select.py < 1384557927 355797 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384557947 648412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For small enough standard libraries, the "PHP model" makes sense, I think < 1384557963 806991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For PHP, I'm not terribly sure it does. < 1384558053 741395 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you expect < 1384558058 549192 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has pee in the name < 1384558058 705869 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "the PHP model"? Just pile stuff on whenever someone has an idea? < 1384558066 969367 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: TWICE < 1384558079 157572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: I think that's called "the PHP model", where everything in the "standard library" is available in your global namespace by default. < 1384558080 779279 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More, if you count the recursive name < 1384558093 325893 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sorry, I just logged on < 1384558107 981913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that, that's why I pasted it. It wasn't an accusation or anything. < 1384558115 300618 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, okay < 1384558127 626147 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get in the habit of checking the logs, though < 1384558234 682895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE LOGS BECKON YOU < 1384558276 80735 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384558285 51878 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: PHP's isn't small though.. < 1384558292 273684 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more along the lines of Scheme or Lua < 1384558367 450864 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...have you read your SICP today? < 1384558424 886011 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sound like a Sussman's Witness < 1384558451 26743 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a /prog/rammer D: < 1384558452 998826 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The horror < 1384558453 793308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: R6RS and R7RS both have a module system. (Then again, they're larger.) < 1384558768 558507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding this Windows 8(.1) thing of having "desktop" things and "apps" things very confusing. "Apps" don't show up in the task bar, but they do show up in the alt-tab list. And they have completely different interaction paradigm (that's the word, right?) that's almost like a tiling WM. E.g. to make the built-in PDF reader visible while having something else open on the same monitor, I had ... < 1384558774 577277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... to split the screen so that one half is the PDF viewer, and the other is a half-wide desktop. It looks very strange. < 1384558813 384222 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds unpleasant < 1384558832 636336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit disappointing that they went and invented the whole new thing and then end up having to keep the old thing around anyway < 1384558859 172109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea is that the old thing is just a single "app", but that's kind of ridiculous, because that's where just about everything is happening. < 1384558871 192132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So far the PDF reader is probably the only new thing I've used.) < 1384558871 385695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the real reason is that the new thing is unusable < 1384558902 923156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the corner-based navigation is kinda clunky with multiple screens. < 1384558919 756424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's stops at the corners, so it can be used, but it's still clunky. < 1384558980 197816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with all of the above < 1384558994 397217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only think i truly enjoy about windows 8 is the app store < 1384559025 240326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally engineering the UI around touchscreens is just annoying to a diehard keyboardist like me < 1384559040 555304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to use the application switcher. < 1384559077 900503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a top-left-corner thing, but it keeps switching just one half of the screen, and there's no list of what's running. < 1384559089 892912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some way, I just can't figure it out. < 1384559105 686772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you're meant to swipe from somewhere, but I don't know how to do that with a mouse. < 1384559189 757749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, left-corner-move (but not click), and then move cursor down to the small rectangles that are poking out of the edge slide out a list. < 1384559190 766119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a separate sits-on-your-desk mouse? < 1384559215 179943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Do most desktops not have one? < 1384559232 907888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a regular computer I'm using. < 1384559235 417527 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most laptops have touchpads, and windows 8 was LAPTOP-ENGINEERED < 1384559257 719079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it TOUCHSCREEN-ENGINEERED? < 1384559262 404377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got Windows 8.1 on the desktop, and Windows 7 on the laptop. < 1384559263 384008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world is all about touch these days. < 1384559420 400642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Touch one another!", like a Finnish TV personality from the early 90s used to say. < 1384559435 234629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which is why modern laptops have touchscreens < 1384559437 129771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's kind of a bad translation of "Kosketelkaa toisianne!", arguably.) < 1384559470 656301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Guess it's still better than GT's "kosketelkaa each other".) < 1384559480 431399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume he meant touch as in "touching" the adjective and not touch as in "fondle"? < 1384559500 85349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the latter. < 1384559506 195858 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384559509 913445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384559526 7915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very close to "fondle" in meaning, in fact. < 1384559544 438823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Pappa_Show but it's just a stub. The .fi article knows more, but is in Finnish. < 1384559551 668419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1384559556 609091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he was popular < 1384559599 510667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ The program is remembered, among other things, -- Frank Papa fly the phrases "Kosketelkaa each other!", "Relentless go!" and "Bailatkaa severely". ]] < 1384559615 944893 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relentless go! < 1384559617 355636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps "hug" is closer but with fewer unfortunate associations to americans? < 1384559625 596081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*close enough < 1384559641 941389 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the Finns are just a more tactile and accepting culture < 1384559657 166869 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or were, in the 90s < 1384559665 541959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: that seems like exactly the opposite of my stereotype of finns. < 1384559667 935236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mmmmaybe, but "kosketella" really has some of those unfortunate associations in Finnish too. I think it's just a thing. < 1384559852 50136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i've misunderstood, and finns are all about touching as long as you don't speak while doing it. < 1384559975 388682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as long as you don't tell foreigners, stereotypes to uphold etc < 1384559977 657232 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may only speak to whisper "we shall never speak of this" < 1384560007 562256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arthur, you are an evil duck http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/131115.html < 1384560092 144053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: As far as I know, the canonical stereotype involves no touching either. See http://depressingfinland.tumblr.com/post/65617168839/chibisuz-depressingfinland-234937289-bus < 1384560145 858618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it’s okay if you don’t pronounce it perfectly right because the only reason someone would talk to strangers in public transport is to ask them to move, so they will get the hint" very true < 1384560167 660678 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really mispronounce a grunt either < 1384560181 901594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's a "standing up seat" < 1384560223 969491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A paradox. (I think a standing place was intended.) < 1384560236 712793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have seats you stand on in buses, no. < 1384560248 848341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule in norway is similar but we do _not_ usually take standing places before starting to sit next to each other :P < 1384560261 782586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some probably do, but it's not a rule. < 1384560304 418963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I think maybe about half the people in here don't, either. (Could be more, could be less.) So it's not as strict rule as the no-talking one, or the others. < 1384560400 41227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also depends on distance and such.) < 1384560425 21164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mä jään tääs of course consists solely of the one finnish vowel i find awkward to pronounce. < 1384560431 713652 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384560463 68317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite it being nominally in norwegian too < 1384560571 723524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Älä rääkkää sitä kääkkää! En rääkkääkään. < 1384560597 9054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my brain basically is prejudiced with "it's not in front of an r, use an "e" instead you idiot!" < 1384560632 878672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone do it in IPA plox < 1384560643 835344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider it weird to stand on the bus if there are free seats even if they are no double free seats < 1384560670 216722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ä = [æ] afaik < 1384560697 208222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about j? < 1384560709 8150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep mentally hearing all the 'ä's in, say, LOTR (Eärendil) as the Finnish ä, which is so wrong. < 1384560709 184723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[j] < 1384560814 968728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it does avoid the difficult problem of deciding which person on the bus is least scary to sit next to < 1384560816 5417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google cannot translate rääkkääkään, but still suggests it should be rääkkääkkään (which it cannot translate either) < 1384560849 235680 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it suggest rääkkääkkääkkään or rääkkääkään for rääkkääkkään? < 1384560855 275269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1384560884 502466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i cannot seem to tell the difference between æ and ɛ...there's just no reason to ever get that kind of find tongue control in english < 1384560888 393614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine < 1384560907 56345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(enclitic, appended to a verb form) indicates confirmation of not doing something, e.g. if someone doubts it, or, when someone is more or less surprised at an occurrence, indicates the reason why some thing was not successful – which is by not doing that something < 1384560911 15059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Minä) en syönytkään eilen jäätelöä. < 1384560913 490596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't eat ice-cream yesterday." < 1384560924 727949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that. < 1384560950 808115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "confirmation" one. < 1384560986 543284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't know rääkkää or kääkkää either. < 1384561009 75193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "rääkätä"? < 1384561024 379504 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a pokemon < 1384561036 706773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"torment" < 1384561046 346599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right. < 1384561107 8365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And kääkkä is... something like a pejorative term for an old person. < 1384561145 622186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a proper English word for it, I'm sure. < 1384561153 618700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crone? < 1384561162 994479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that only applies to women < 1384561224 297929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess kääkkä is gender-neutral, maybe slightly biased towards women. < 1384561242 875561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think crone is sort of archaic? < 1384561247 890245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "hag". < 1384561303 936824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which somehow needs "old" in front, i suspect < 1384561329 955186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you thinking of "anacrone"? < 1384561343 885636 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384561361 907935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO. < 1384561362 606761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/crone includes "kääkkä" as the Finnish translation. < 1384561459 811303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a stock character in fairy or folk tale, the hag shares characteristics with the crone, and the two words are sometimes used as if interchangeable." < 1384561499 125472 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as a true synonym? < 1384561520 374549 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A word that is perfectly interchangable for another? < 1384561520 962856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The word "crone" is a less common synonym for "old woman," and is more likely to appear in reference to traditional narratives than in contemporary everyday usage." < 1384561539 271556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using the word "hag" to translate terms found in non-English (or non-modern English) is contentious, since use of the word is often associated with a misogynistic attitude." < 1384561556 328647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say hag seems more like what you are implying. < 1384561620 106453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhags. < 1384561625 364968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why do you shout so much < 1384561657 249281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL THE WAY ON ANOTHER CONTINENT < 1384561681 621748 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND POSSIBLY HARD OF HEARING < 1384561712 202699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1384561901 353301 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i can think of a few examples, i'm sure. for words that have lots of synonyms, sometimes there are several subsets which also have the same connotations < 1384561907 449820 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384561962 60891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, i can't see any situation where ill-at-ease and uncomfortable aren't completely swappable < 1384561978 357874 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're talking about a sofa? < 1384561989 182893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://depressingfinland.tumblr.com/post/66945321786/i-love-your-blog-i-am-a-finnophile-it-all-came-about < 1384561991 876539 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1384561995 106965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if your 'i' key is broken? < 1384561997 504364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad example < 1384562000 886581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure this person realises that we have a word for that in english also < 1384562001 172490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to think harder < 1384562041 348576 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bloody freezing"? < 1384562043 555573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how about "delay" and "wait"? < 1384562056 411316 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reallyfuckingcold < 1384562062 893696 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you wouldn't delay for someone < 1384562073 253962 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1384562080 716223 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wouldn't < 1384562092 534494 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you wouldn't want someone in a restaurant to delay on you < 1384562123 839833 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384562133 754038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: shore and coast? < 1384562136 357966 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I see "wait" as having much friendlier connoctations < 1384562151 740571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1384562153 237221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't wait a delivery, I think. (Though you might wait for one that's been delayedf.) < 1384562155 743469 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of those are also verbs < 1384562173 183275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the noun forms are identical < 1384562267 17385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Noun < 1384562267 213300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shore (plural shores) < 1384562267 213478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prop or strut supporting the weight or flooring above it. < 1384562269 92122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shores stayed upright during the earthquake." < 1384562275 970650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a coast. < 1384562297 394454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1384562304 601382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how about miasmic and miasmal < 1384562317 668188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a p. tricky task T. has set. < 1384562340 308640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :t. dat < 1384562340 464777 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I imagine miasmic referring to a substance and miasmal as to an environment, but maybe that's just me < 1384562350 158848 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384562368 726716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: everyone and everybody < 1384562381 965902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is pakkanen a specific word for "below 0"? afaik none of the swedish words for cold have any specific temperature ranges < 1384562382 123824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ø. agrees, I see. < 1384562400 465573 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hmm, good one < 1384562422 223789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It does mean "freezing". < 1384562451 414507 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384562496 734517 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"freezing" is also a generic word for being/feeling cold < 1384562578 754244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, the sense of freezing that means a temperature where water freezes. < 1384562581 527629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of the chimæric hellos | The most corum, clargoint chait you could ever loofefl your slance in. | Magnus!! | Koirammekokaan ei lennä? :( | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1384562623 702504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "pakkanen" if it's above zero, that's non-negotiable. < 1384562661 14383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what if you are at abnormally high pressures? < 1384562670 601000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't swedish have a word like "kuldegrader" < 1384562722 742255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pakkassen puolella" and "pakkasasteita" are both also real expressions. < 1384562746 482083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :q.: I don't know, actually. < 1384562903 726118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't change all that much, right? Not like the boiling point. < 1384562936 551011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Matter. Sigh. What's it good for, anyway?) < 1384562947 594046 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384563056 240957 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384563068 655053 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1384563080 308881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, we do have "minus degrees" (which doesn't mean that it's considered cold) or possibly "degrees cold" (but sometimes +20 is "cold"...) < 1384563096 864732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are like phrases for pronouncing temperatures < 1384563110 778400 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here ever built an interpreter? I have a few questions < 1384563137 467500 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of a normal language, may be a bit off topic < 1384563161 348892 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol off topic < 1384563162 838515 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah sure < 1384563193 670212 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright great < 1384563207 893549 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've built a basic one before but I'm working on one right now < 1384563222 120839 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have always never really understood the best way to construct an AST < 1384563242 162058 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically how meta data should be stored, and the different node types are determined < 1384563251 836108 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the most proper way < 1384563253 923489 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a job for a parser generator < 1384563267 257214 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not what I want < 1384563278 802816 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find handwriting fun and actually a bit simpler than writing a grammar < 1384563296 426745 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to create an AST I just don't know the best methods for it < 1384563307 558602 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you hvae to write a few parsers in order to learn to hate doing it yourself. < 1384563340 199489 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't answer my question? xD < 1384563372 402497 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to specify an AST the usual way basically amounts to an algebraic data structure. < 1384563443 906812 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you might have Form = Conditional Form Form Form | Call Form Form | Lambda Symbol Form | Access Symbol for a simple lambda calculus with ifs. < 1384563479 829920 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means, form is either a "conditional" with three subforms (for the condition, the "then", and the "else"), a call with two subforms (the callee and the argument), a lambda, or a variable. < 1384563501 817792 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384563515 424755 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh... that's basically it? < 1384563518 672785 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would I store metd data though? < 1384563523 827198 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I*? < 1384563525 17732 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What metadata? < 1384563529 924627 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like names of things and stuff < 1384563538 507289 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names of things... and stuff. < 1384563543 705191 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1384563545 253619 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.174 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1384563550 344316 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example < 1384563593 656641 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm parsing a javascript variable definition or something: "var name;" in the node how/where would be the best place to store "name"? < 1384563612 543652 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1384563627 56343 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then in this AST you have a syntax type like VarDecl [Symbol]. < 1384563641 164984 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm missing something huge or frustrating you, or both. < 1384563695 174802 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of this algebraic thing is you just have a struct definition for every type of syntactic construct, basically. < 1384563708 892058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol is where the symbol is stored < 1384563715 79768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Expr a = Bound Nat a | Lambda (Expr a) a | App (Expr a) (Expr a) a < 1384563719 853244 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand this, but what confused me is how to structure them for interpretation later on < 1384563760 66016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the structure itself < 1384563761 390866 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you understand this. < 1384563768 251073 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly, how do I keep these types together in the tree structure. I have them all extend the root AST struct < 1384563771 34560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tree < 1384563776 808788 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this < 1384563777 845462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384563782 174739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Pft, arbitrary Nats. < 1384563785 394746 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this, let me explain what I'im gertting aty < 1384563793 63173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tree is based on the grammar < 1384563798 126141 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1384563798 992152 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever, ASTs are overrated. < 1384563812 688257 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let eval = let e s@(_:'\\':v:'.':l)=let(x,')':t)=e$d l in(take 4 s++x++")",t);e('(':s)=let(x,t)=e s;(y,')':u)=e$d t in(a x y,u);e s=splitAt 1$d s;d=snd.span(==' ');a(_:'\\':v:_:l)s=let f x|x==v=s|1>0=[x]in fst.e$init l>>=f;a f x='(':f++" "++x++")" in e < 1384563814 768734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1384563817 163301 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an expression might have subexpressions, which would eb its children in the AST < 1384563820 144423 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a job taneb < 1384563837 152912 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet < 1384563840 8991 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god why do i confuse you < 1384563840 388564 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what the hell that is < 1384563854 463605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet's thing is humorous if you're a goddamn nerd and we're not goddamn nerds here < 1384563866 163523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only things that are children of root are things that the start symbol could produce in the grammar < 1384563874 711138 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know < 1384563887 869222 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't finished my explanation but yet I'm hearing obvious answers to questions not asked < 1384563902 396714 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing* < 1384563926 823718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. i'll give you a few minutes to narrow your question down < 1384563939 134445 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1384564037 620880 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn bikes < 1384564042 965648 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have a struct named AST. I have others for each language construct that extend this AST struct. Each struct has a property which determines what it represents. Each has an array for more AST structs, for the tree structure. Lets say I have a piece of data I need passed with a node, how do I do this? < 1384564073 5369 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite specific to each rule/construct < 1384564098 870478 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, that's why the AST i laid out has some things with "Symbol" instead of just always more ASTs. you need a base case as it were. < 1384564100 810697 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I simply create a property in the struct for that rule? < 1384564112 824353 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1384564124 676972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384564141 274877 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok after reading that I feel the answer to that was way to simple to even be asked < 1384564151 541010 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you knocked my head straight < 1384564369 16232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically this amounts to a tagged union - in C you'd have an AST struct with two fields, the tag and the actual object. the actual object is a union over all the syntactic types, and the tag just says which syntactic type this AST is. < 1384564395 863422 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1384564650 314989 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you guys like an alligator? < 1384564697 935453 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384565093 841341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like these? http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/ < 1384565136 800243 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1384565179 816000 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9f9:13c5:793d:587e QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384565203 814796 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets play hangman! < 1384565203 971095 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1384565206 706369 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9f9:13c5:793d:587e JOIN :#esoteric < 1384565224 452689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do? < 1384565255 838221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar RKSI < 1384565359 839550 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: Okay < 1384565366 301090 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: :D < 1384565390 444726 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if these a convention for doing the picture of the dude, so ill just count to 6 < 1384565405 829626 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1384565417 173391 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on :| < 1384565435 965361 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (0 wrong) < 1384565481 1870 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1384565490 521766 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ a _ _ (0 wrong) < 1384565502 997480 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z < 1384565511 409063 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ a z z (0 wrong) < 1384565514 340135 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JAZZ < 1384565523 894087 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: you watch QI :( < 1384565529 711824 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct :D < 1384565533 819477 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1384565559 388715 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: ok lets go again < 1384565563 281374 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (0 wrong) < 1384565602 436792 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1384565608 369801 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (1 wrong: i) < 1384565621 794643 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j < 1384565630 715822 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (2 wrong: i j) < 1384565632 489607 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1384565652 828142 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (3 wrong: e i j) < 1384565667 267948 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1384565675 270774 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (4 wrong: e f i j) < 1384565693 592029 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a whole class of hard words eliminated < 1384565696 767785 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1384565711 33403 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (5 wrong: a e f i j) < 1384565715 139083 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1384565741 205192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1384565752 555794 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman isn't fair with short words < 1384565761 482269 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ _ (6 wrong: a e f i j q) < 1384565769 389863 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cull < 1384565776 222249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should add a prog to hackego to do what you're doing :P < 1384565780 900445 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty good < 1384565796 106770 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hangman in Haskell is surprisingly easy < 1384565797 4240 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: you didnt watch that episode of QI sufficiently :X < 1384565813 627243 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blocked it out to make it fair, of course < 1384565819 407020 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384565845 127158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never draw the picture in hangman; I always just count how many more tries you have < 1384565883 732740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always draw < 1384565902 229730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way you can give extra tries without making it obvious you're doing so with kids < 1384565909 741122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by adding eyes and hair and stuff < 1384565945 818370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that; I always want everyone to know exactly how many tries you have left. No cheating by giving extra tries!!! < 1384565989 680819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some hangman games set how many tries by the length of the word or phrase. Famicom Hangman does this too (a program I have written). < 1384566019 716039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like using the picture since it makes it unclear so it just makes a box containing the wrong letters and once it is fill up, then you lose. < 1384566020 856601 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of hangman where you aren't murdering a stick figure < 1384566022 37662 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly < 1384566041 63244 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with that statement < 1384566071 535362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: To guess the word. Of course you can draw the stick figure if you prefer but I prefer to not do so since it makes it less clear how many tries you have left. < 1384566096 369318 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9f9:13c5:793d:587e QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384566189 42361 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you're right because there is a variable amount of body parts you could count < 1384566195 731916 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :down to the eye lashes < 1384566203 837451 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the toenails < 1384566209 354970 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1384566217 498576 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to your individual hairs < 1384566237 112960 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skin cells < 1384566243 919707 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood cells < 1384566252 278067 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atoms < 1384566256 457471 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :organelles < 1384566269 880283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1384566270 250126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 6h 39s ago: I owe you some royalties for the “at canada” brand. < 1384566300 411200 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have shown, by ingenious induction on the structure of man, that in fact I have (n+1) tries in hangman. QED, nyah nyah nyah" < 1384566311 301754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I do not accept royalties for such brand. < 1384566510 915846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: famous last words < 1384566561 919204 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it "Little Fermat's Theorem" < 1384566676 603187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do shorter words get you more tries than longer words? < 1384566682 869502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in famicom hangman) < 1384566720 801337 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This alligator game is crazy < 1384566729 616605 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you find these links? < 1384566753 717409 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I wonder if shorter people get you fewer guesses < 1384567155 295613 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have a programming question < 1384567165 388153 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind < 1384567188 387730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: seen it way back, possibly linked in r/haskell < 1384567194 242330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps even here < 1384567202 132734 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APott: Go for it < 1384567207 559100 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You always have the best links :D < 1384567210 646053 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets say in the source i'm analyzing there is a number that I need to perform mathematical operations with. How do I get the integer value of a string? < 1384567234 935847 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most standard libraries have a function for that < 1384567247 778574 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has atoi, that sorta thing < 1384567269 683611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",atoi("42")); < 1384567276 562100 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic alright < 1384567280 60035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp c printf("%d",atoi("42")); < 1384567284 692940 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D has the same sort of functions in it's library < 1384567287 848418 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1384567297 688715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1384567298 203384 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: for < 1384567305 392795 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1384567310 905953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YOUR BOT IS ILL < 1384567322 580961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are idle < 1384567322 737257 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do i store this and perform operations with the float type for most accuracy? (some of this I stilld on't understand) < 1384567345 235262 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "float num = atoi("42");" < 1384567369 331429 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :num * 16.25 < 1384567385 730153 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything could be several decimals long < 1384567387 64758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :double has double accuracy to float < 1384567431 67168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although neither will give you exact arithmetic for huge integers. < 1384567431 809134 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1384567437 226167 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1384567444 772012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: `interp c does that < 1384567446 978579 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be sufficient for my simple project < 1384567463 656483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what, always? i thought it worked... < 1384567465 735058 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thanks for that < 1384567467 133494 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolfloats < 1384567472 890985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp c printf("hm"); < 1384567488 505074 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy cheese a new haswell costs $339 < 1384567490 196821 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: for < 1384567493 497264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1384567542 153373 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384567564 377147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I call it "Little Fermat's Theorem" <-- fermat's little theorem already exists. < 1384567576 399841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand i can get a six core vishera for under $150 < 1384567578 846167 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is mysterious < 1384567616 732169 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The proof was delivered childishly, so the idea is that it was delivered by a young Fermat < 1384567623 26791 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, "Little Fermat" < 1384567647 488977 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Current world record [for overclocking] is 8.79 GHz achieved on FX-8350 by Andre Yang using liquid nitrogen." why < 1384567680 428594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean why didn't he use helium, right < 1384567683 444702 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmm i don't know how big the caches should be though < 1384567687 476272 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 8 MB sensible < 1384567722 403129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that L2 or L3? < 1384567733 722899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do the haswells really cost that much? < 1384567751 980766 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, L3. L2 is three 2 MB caches, presumably pairs of cores share them? < 1384567772 621614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a good amount of cache to me? < 1384567778 553882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think L2 is a lot more relevant than L3 generally, but I might be wrong < 1384567780 703709 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have no idea. < 1384567786 22736 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like at all. just saying. < 1384567792 765712 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which is more important either < 1384567802 114715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know on like, intel ones nowadays they only have like 256K per core L2? and the huge big thing in L3 < 1384567805 151643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is L3 < 1384567811 744146 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here's a $200 haswell < 1384567820 895936 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Limit 5 per customer" < 1384567828 296215 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pc shopping is really weird, y'all. < 1384567844 133465 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1384567846 823938 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're probably right, this doesn't even mention the L2 size < 1384567847 179620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I remember right the big L3s are like, also a way to use up extra die space without emitting much more power < 1384567857 152993 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... it does mention the process size. < 1384567859 465205 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks I guess? < 1384567867 984302 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :L2 is the same on all haswells, I think? which might be why it's not mentioned < 1384567871 788442 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while L3 varies < 1384567902 685322 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thinking because "256K per core" wouldn't be very impressive compared to this 2 MB per core-pair on this amd one, but that works too < 1384567921 587665 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i'm even looking this up, i don't think i'll be hacking deep enough that i need to know the µarch >_> < 1384568042 497744 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c1.neweggimages.com/BizIntell/item/19/116/19-116-901/herox.jpg the ads are fantastic though < 1384568077 181556 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that guy inside the processor? < 1384568084 930827 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT THING MUST BE SO STRONG < 1384568101 601380 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the adaptive techniques. if you need more PROCESSING POWER he yells at the instruction decoder until it gets its shit together < 1384568132 102680 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing lists more than one thread per core... is that that hyperthreading thing < 1384568268 575850 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just buy a bunch of DSPs to fuck with instead. people still use those right. < 1384568390 30116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, in Famicom Hangman, shorter words/phrases get you more tries than longer ones. < 1384568520 475511 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a3ec9cd009cad7b4825479fae0a4b632/tumblr_inline_mvj43rbyXS1qik0w4.jpg < 1384568529 488416 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the precision of these Finns < 1384568558 929355 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised that those two on the end are standing together < 1384568790 17196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uploaded two example programs to go with the SELECT. interpreter. these two work. just wish someone would write one that tests some other language features :D. http://rutteric.com/files/ < 1384569445 857549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384569780 564907 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1384570069 725925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played hangman games with a time limit? < 1384571795 123672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the symbols &|!()10 only, can anything be made in Perl other than only the boolean condition checking if a 1 and 0 is only by itself? < 1384572379 412994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps ask in #perl < 1384572386 647620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I can try < 1384572798 220411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Dungeons&Dragons game I was trying to add more tally marks. The DM said there was room for 818 in total. This doesn't seem right to me, since 818 isn't a multiple of five. < 1384573409 727393 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384573547 898451 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. church's thesis doesn't hold in a newtonian universe. neat. < 1384573600 976095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: huh, howso? < 1384573625 291279 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We will sketch a proof (it is based on Gerver’s proof of the ‘‘Painleve con- < 1384573628 463609 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jecture’’ in the plane) of Theorem 4 that an uncountably infinite number of topologically distinct trajectories are < 1384573631 450356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible in 1 s, among the planar N-body problems with fixed masses and whose initial locations lie within < 1384573634 452510 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :certain disjoint balls and whose velocities are bounded < 1384573640 124785 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[period] < 1384573647 252181 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like pasting the sentences on periods, it's a bad habit < 1384573772 864153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what does that have to do with the Church-Turing thesis? < 1384573780 51053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this some other thesis of Church's? < 1384573797 938507 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means a turing machine can't simulate the topological properties of the bodies' trajectories < 1384573801 42797 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in finite time) < 1384573890 104875 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the initial configuration isn't even uncomputable, sweet < 1384574535 540721 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do people here think about Elixir? < 1384574560 408261 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like panaceas but I don't think they exist. < 1384574569 863227 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language < 1384574589 213966 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language of the birds? < 1384574962 419415 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think the first Elixir demo I saw was pulling some data directly from some web service and turning it into code with macros < 1384574977 458651 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the first reddit comment was "Oh, god, please never actually do this" < 1384574997 690946 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a nicer way to write Erlang, if nothing else < 1384575064 567564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that on mushroomobserver.org if you don't know what kind of mushroom is in your photo you can put "Agaricales sensu lato" < 1384575072 985594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is latin for "looks like a mushroom, I guess" < 1384575096 42046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay it's latin for "agarics, in the loose sense") < 1384575108 806604 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like your translation better < 1384575131 868963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're extra unsure you can just put "fungi" instead < 1384575142 498779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a designation above kingdom which includes all life < 1384575158 438859 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cladistics people usually just go for "unranked" i think < 1384575168 567943 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i mean, it's a tree, the levels are gonna get hairy anyway. < 1384575191 541765 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, domains are above kingoms < 1384575192 638919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-domain_system at least? < 1384575194 483973 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kingdoms < 1384575195 622799 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also using latin to obscure that you mean something boringly obvious is kind of great. incertae cedis~ < 1384575204 73580 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "Life" is above that < 1384575214 935031 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really hit up some taxonomists on twitter to see wtf they do in the presence of cladistics < 1384575238 904044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about maybe-life? < 1384575251 726045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mammal_Diversity_2011.png mammal diversity < 1384575252 629740 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :viruses are a whole different ballgame. < 1384575260 894130 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they change way faster than the rest, for one. < 1384575268 796591 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Shouldn't that be cedis? < 1384575274 439593 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sedis < 1384575276 206140 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't type < 1384575286 131931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :petition to designate richard nixon as the type specimen for H. sapiens < 1384575292 823728 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what i typed... oh, oops, yes sedis < 1384575306 564302 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We both did it :/ < 1384575313 537755 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also viruses may be paraphyletic which is pretty cool imo < 1384575347 966590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is cool < 1384575349 235772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have no idea about viral taxonomy. i'd grab a book on it if i didn't already have five books checked out < 1384575357 442029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't take long for things like viruses to evolve in artificial life systems < 1384575378 129115 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of ties into abiogenesis stuff. like, were virus-like things first, or did they arise from bacteria, or what. < 1384575382 148844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384575386 912635 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I read the wiki page for paraphyly, still don't know what you mean by that < 1384575412 602756 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: viruses being paraphyletic would mean that the last common ancestor of all viruses is not a virus, i.e. that virality arose several times independently. < 1384575413 772116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why has something like life only evolved once on earth, anyway? is it just that it took a really long time? or is it that anything life-like which starts out today gets eaten by the usual kind of life? < 1384575441 818204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1384575442 264980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how would you designate the latter, anyway? "nucleic acid life"?) < 1384575444 942857 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: (or er that the tree of ancestry includes non-viruses anyway) < 1384575467 421594 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've thought about that a decent amount, but part of it is you have to qualify the universality of life < 1384575468 784357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's like asking why nobody has replaced UNIX < 1384575475 209618 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we pretty much all use RNA < 1384575485 337436 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT sometimes the amino acid coding is different! < 1384575490 913758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1384575493 139167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty cool < 1384575521 216994 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some things, like lipid bilayers, those are just... convenient. I'm not sure how they would be replaced. < 1384575586 569673 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably comes down to "we don't know enough about abiogenesis to make decent guesses" though, which suckz < 1384575638 442787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384575659 599887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that one abiogenesis experiment but it turned out to be wrong? i have a great memory of high school bio class as you can tell < 1384575668 831494 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Miller-Urey? < 1384575675 966932 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "throw some gas in a tube and get amino acids" thing. < 1384575806 590241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1384575967 606067 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the conditions they used weren't really very early-earth-like, and besides that life is rather more complicated than a couple monomers < 1384576007 709107 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :living organisms obviously have their bilayers and their nucleotides, but even with just proteins you need a damn complex system (itself made mostly of proteins) to make everything fold right... < 1384576050 702373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384576061 732933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the theory that RNA itself served as the enzymes at first, right? < 1384576137 450173 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. and rna even still does that in living organisms. < 1384576142 292663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1384576153 495294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1384576157 188692 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they call them 'ribozymes' < 1384576173 139080 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... I dunno? I guess having an r plus the zy makes it even cooler sounding. < 1384576173 298044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the advantage of protein enzymes < 1384576188 543885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :advantage of DNA over RNA for data storage is durability? < 1384576223 453370 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about where my cargo culted molecular bio runs out i'm afraid < 1384576228 111678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384576235 367254 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of think of proteins as being more... flexible < 1384576265 694905 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you really look at how a protein works, often it's made up of like four separate "domains" that each do their own thing, have their own binding sites, but can induce conformational changes in the other domains (i think) and stuff like that < 1384576280 222260 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno if you could replace titin with rna, basically < 1384576402 158425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1384576413 119270 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :proteins are like, really complicated /mechanically/, and i don't know if you can do that while staying hereditarily stable, i guess... < 1384576428 596609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1384576471 192157 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's like, separation of concerns. which is vague and the analogy hardly works at all god < 1384576523 837895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're doing a translation thing anyway then maybe amino acids are a more flexible thing to translate to < 1384576555 616483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was gonna make an analogy to hereditary source code vs. ephemeral build products but that's even worse ;) < 1384576645 945730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of thinking of this like, here's gentoo on a macbook, now figure out how MULTICS worked. < 1384576653 125222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1384576678 755752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your main tool is, you can break parts of the macbook and see what still functions < 1384576778 555371 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have the fossil record, which is a bunch of partially accurate descriptions of how older linux distributions functioned you found on some help forums. < 1384576809 134791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1384576819 289945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay time to ride some trains, ttyl all < 1384576822 642209 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1384577769 122991 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let hangman (x:xs) (y:ys) c | y == c = c : hangman xs ys c | otherwise = x : hangman xs ys c; hangman _ _ _ = ""; in hangman "____" "jazz" 'z' -- augur_ < 1384577770 407858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "__zz" < 1384577803 289808 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: what < 1384577814 408174 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: For the next time we play hangman < 1384577823 931237 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A terrible code snippet that will do the work for you < 1384577842 907057 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: what does it do exactly < 1384577869 137472 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give it blanks, the real word, and a chosen letter, and it computes the filled in letters bla bla bla. < 1384577874 401373 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1384577889 618208 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh i see what you mean < 1384577901 775688 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a big help when you play against me. "methylenedioxymethamphetamine" is easy to remember, but the longer ones, welllll < 1384577927 37589 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its methylene-dioxy-3,4-n-methylamphetamine, to be precise < 1384577960 635357 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3,4 at the beginning, take your pick < 1384577962 899018 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's party dust mother fucker < 1384579226 302422 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384579419 68013 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus there exist initial configurations of N bodies in the plane in which several of the bodies will hit the unit circle within 1.2 s iff the Riemann hypothesis is false (and the trajectories may be interpreted as a description of a counterexample)" < 1384579523 981057 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that require real number computation? < 1384579565 588724 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the initial configuration can be computable. < 1384579575 259234 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this isn't actually a practical help towards /finding/ a counterexample, but. < 1384579635 248925 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the state of unsimulatable initial configurations is of measure zero though.. < 1384579638 249339 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this paper is weird. < 1384579744 614845 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kind of informal. «The third and most complicated set of laws we discuss (and the one we will concentrate on) is "modified linearized general relativity", which has all the mathematically annoying features of SRTG, and also has tensors.» < 1384579902 2335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/barbershop-pole-finally-runs-out,34491/ < 1384579979 716257 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think this stuff basically comes about because of the newtonian-physics-allows-infinite-energy thing. < 1384580582 763898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384580850 340206 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384580889 838524 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384581855 992724 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384582474 619112 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PART :#esoteric < 1384584073 846687 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384584350 662435 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer program just called me a distinguished Haskell coder < 1384584355 785917 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on ... not very much < 1384584360 988624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program? < 1384584361 378085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://osrc.dfm.io/Sgeo < 1384584371 666589 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open Source Report Card < 1384584393 144166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it based on? < 1384584413 588697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub profile < 1384584460 516762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how does that thing work? < 1384584478 448115 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite energy thing < 1384584479 227076 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1384584499 520768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not everyone has GitHub profiles though, and there may also be many programming languages that GitHub profiles do not yet include. < 1384584532 288386 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to read Xia's paper once but it was beyond me < 1384584563 585284 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384584569 398371 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, with the right initial conditions (and the paper is about what these conditions are) you can get an object infinitely far away in finite time < 1384584577 475365 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, that's just restating "infinite energy". < 1384584730 215028 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get far enough to read that Xia's construction uses five bodies and is symmetrical across one axis. < 1384584756 663503 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I kind of imagine four bodies moving back and forth as the last goes straight between them, getting faster and faster exponentially (or uh, superexponentially i guess?) < 1384584793 795834 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that possible without arbitrarily small distances between objects? < 1384584819 521666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. if you apply a constraint like the planck length does it stil work < 1384584851 227947 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably be a whole other paper. the classical n-body equations are in continuous spacetime. < 1384584861 477652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so it's not like. realistic < 1384584869 288245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1384584879 638748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newtonian physics is unrealistic to begin with, though. < 1384584887 740735 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I mean. Einstein. < 1384584949 471150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so like, relativity doesn't have that ""vulnerability""? < 1384584973 420804 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't exactly get to an infinite speed, now can you? < 1384585025 166268 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :xia's paper is http://www.jstor.org/stable/2946572 if you want to take a crack but it's long and hard < 1384585565 79110 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a short explanation of another construction in this paper... < 1384585572 638818 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves arranging things so that an asteroid moves polygonally. @_@ < 1384585582 579035 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1384585623 780924 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uh the infinitizing comes by... < 1384585634 864937 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a consequence of properties I–III, the entire N-gon expands in roughly geometric progression to infinite < 1384585638 58924 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :size, but the asteroid traverses the N-gon edges in durations of time which shrink roughly geometrically < 1384585641 63688 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :toward zero. In consequence, the asteroid travels an infinite number of circuits around the N-gon (and this < 1384585644 67173 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an infinite distance), as the N-gon grows to infinite size, in a finite time tsingular, < 1384585684 184411 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, that's basically insane. < 1384585788 190351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like does this mean newtonian mechanics doesn't conserve energy? < 1384585837 436655 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... I think in this construction, as the asteroid speeds up super fast the stars it's orbiting slow down. < 1384585854 511646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you need an infinite number of stars or something? < 1384585862 764021 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like, the energy has to come from somewhere < 1384585897 386709 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes from the stars slowing down. i think. < 1384585902 911148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it violate things like that? Without doing such an experiment, or proving it mathematically inconsistent, it isn'ta reason to call such a theory wrong. (Now we do, but that doesn't seem a way?) < 1384585908 741709 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stars start with an infinite amount of energy... (???) < 1384585931 494517 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're going to need to rephrase that more readably < 1384585937 593290 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i don't know. math is hard < 1384585952 34117 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure newton is supposed to conserve energy though so lol i dunno < 1384585957 430283 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i was wrong in talking about infinite energy < 1384585999 247319 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just, like, unbounded? < 1384586009 449919 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1384586014 791668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What, is he running out of food or something? < 1384586025 276625 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a joke i do not understand < 1384586047 856920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, I thought it is clear to me at least. < 1384586066 905096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very good anyway < 1384586072 509672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A baseball player on a frictionless plane surface flings a ball against a wall repeatedly" physics.jpg < 1384587328 877641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-who-drinks-5-diet-cokes-per-day-hoping-doctors,34570/ this is me < 1384587375 453356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoping doctors are what? < 1384587393 622861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"working on a cure for whatever he's getting" < 1384587398 435828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an expressio, zzo38. < 1384587406 68353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "raining cats and dogs". < 1384587430 100877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1384587468 762357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i learned to play Magic: The Gathering < 1384587496 538459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you any good at it? < 1384587531 605194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1384587777 127905 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384587779 320791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you think some of the rules are too klugy? < 1384587795 871040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn klugy < 1384587805 202560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: :'( < 1384587810 949203 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384587891 875025 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384587981 686292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's v. complicated. < 1384588058 747904 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384588684 436774 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to play mtg < 1384588690 733047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even have cards and stuff < 1384588715 581479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no cards, but I sometimes do play the game (not very commonly though). < 1384588779 942604 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3315 i have this guy < 1384588815 391745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played this as a kid and i always mainly tried to manage to play that < 1384588829 121532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Is "unaffected by summoning sickness" distinct from "Haste"? < 1384588843 750897 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be the old name < 1384588845 467183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that card is too good < 1384588845 840041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haste makes it unaffected by summoning sickness. < 1384588851 699514 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384588868 515605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had 4 cards that simply let you play that card < 1384588885 482061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haste is a very old mechanic, and has existed at least since 4th Edition on Ball Lightning. However the Haste keyword was not added until much later. < 1384588890 545883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Haste < 1384588928 743763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Summoning sickness is given to all permanents when they enter play/are created. At end of each turn, all permanents lose summoning sickness. Creatures with summoning sickness cannot attack, and any abilities with the tap symbol in their cost are unusable if it is a creature.) < 1384588942 346843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: All permanents? I thought it was just creatures? < 1384588982 78668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "unusable if it is a creature". So non-creatures have summoning sickness but it's unobservable? < 1384589000 64318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1384589036 507694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, like that. It is also unused if the permanent has the Haste ability. < 1384589059 274553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my friends play all sorts of rpg and card games and watch anime and stuff < 1384589081 819986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you know things about chu spaces < 1384589085 122171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and dota2 < 1384589091 41929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other computer games < 1384589097 430324 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i do < 1384589161 638302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well anyway can you define a topological space/system/thingy as a product of some C and D^op < 1384589169 522077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first impression is that chu spaces sound a bit silly, topological spaces are already much more general than you need in real life < 1384589181 26818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually) < 1384589187 916233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well look at the definition of a morphism though! what's with that < 1384589223 589437 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of morphisms between chu spaces? < 1384589227 899652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384589234 507778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1384589246 187301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understood statically, a Chu space (A, r, X) over a set K consists of a set A of points, a set X of states, and a function r : A × X → K. This makes it an A × X matrix with entries drawn from K, or equivalently a K-valued binary relation between A and X (ordinary binary relations being 2-valued). < 1384589260 821640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay maybe i should first try to parse that < 1384589262 80028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's sort of like an adjunction (can you make it an actual adjunctiony thing by having p/q in p(f(a),b) = q(a,g(b)) be functors sort of like hom functors) < 1384589277 413143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you asking me? :P < 1384589288 69205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1384589293 296693 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even make sense of the binary relation crap < 1384589303 776395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, the "topological system" thing in this book is less general than Chu spaces. < 1384589342 30246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, there's a "frame" -- a lattice that has finite meets and arbitrary joins, such that meets distribute over joins -- and a set of "points" < 1384589344 318416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it just calls a function a binary K-valued relation. < 1384589355 15546 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1384589359 510178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a function from A times X to K is called a binary K-valued relation < 1384589362 709272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why < 1384589370 591801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the frame corresponds to the topology, of course. < 1384589451 514700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have (X,A) where X is a set of points and A is a lattice of "opens" (which aren't sets, just things). And you have a "satisfies" relation, x |= a, that tells you whether a point satisfies an open. < 1384589480 929352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that points are what things "are" and opens are what observations you can make of them. < 1384589491 48057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so A and X are the other way around than in wikipedia? < 1384589509 792421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THAT IMPORTANT < 1384589510 743421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see. < 1384589517 92417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just used the other letters. < 1384589531 909576 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you get out of this < 1384589537 512739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of Chu space is completely symmetrical so it doesn't matter. < 1384589550 281763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this one isn't, since you have a set and a frame. < 1384589565 809030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so that's something between a topological spaces and a pointless topological space i guess < 1384589574 9513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1384589585 950348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact if X = {} you get a pointless topological space, I guess. < 1384589594 682174 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's exactly the latter (it's properly more general than the former though) < 1384589607 608646 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1384589616 112970 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh err. < 1384589658 163706 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured two opens are indeed distinct iff they have different points (they are then sets, but it's still more general than the usual notion of topology) < 1384589661 179407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some adjunction relation with functors between this thing and topological spaces and locales being forgetful/free or something. I don't remember. < 1384589680 412757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you could have distinct opens that satisfy the same points. < 1384589685 199391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty < 1384589687 341386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that are satisfied by. < 1384589698 642013 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have U < V even if U has more points < 1384589705 52019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the "that the open sets be extensional" part of the Chu space page. < 1384589705 851513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the lattice < 1384589743 669125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not sure. < 1384589747 715943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the frame somehow be a refinement of a sublattice of the lattice of subsets of X at least (if that makes sense.) < 1384589755 946789 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does it be" < 1384589781 577015 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lyric < 1384589823 315970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, there are requirements on |= < 1384589862 713972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If S is a finite subset of A, then x |= Join S <-> x |= a for all a in S" < 1384589879 340421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, "Meet" < 1384589887 211439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If S is a finite subset of A, then x |= Meet S <-> x |= a for all a in S" < 1384589913 299335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If S is any subset of A, then x |= Join S <-> x |= a for some a in S" < 1384589933 656460 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the morphisms of chu spaces certainly seem adjunctive. however, i do not quite get them yet. < 1384589961 839957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the definition is pretty intuitive from the perspective of topological systems, at least. < 1384589981 444146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think of opens as "finite observations" that you can make about points. < 1384589987 815673 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :("adjunctive" in a very non-mathematical sense that this looks vaguely similar to some things i've seen when trying to understand adjunctions.) < 1384589994 679030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right.) < 1384590038 44111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you might have bit streams as points, and "starts with 00101" as an open. < 1384590064 331943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "the stream is all 0s" not as an open, because it observes an infinite amount of information, say. < 1384590083 242853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay "x |= Join S <-> x |= a for all a in S" and "x |= Meet S <-> x |= a for all a in S" makes things pretty simple < 1384590085 519467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "this real number is within the interval (x-d,x+d)" < 1384590099 196590 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps that's a typo. < 1384590112 302854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, one of them was wrong. < 1384590124 169985 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems that joins are really set-theoretical joins and meets are really set-theoretical meets, and the lattice is there only for presentational reasons? < 1384590140 969321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean associate with each open the set of points that satisfy it < 1384590148 396957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By set-theorical joins/meets do you mean unions/intersections? < 1384590159 602364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the join of 2 opens is open, and is satisfied by exactly the union < 1384590162 488416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384590184 866017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, clearly for any topological space (X,ΩX), (X,ΩX,∈) is a "topological system". < 1384590212 633007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if the set of points is empty you can have lots of different topological systems with different frames. < 1384590224 651911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the definition of join and meet was w.r.t. the lattice itself (in the abstract sense), so that they are just minimal upper bound etc.. then you get some weird additional stuff for i think. < 1384590226 708693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there's no requirement that opens are extensional. < 1384590228 641384 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-for < 1384590261 250734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean? < 1384590269 298716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't matter < 1384590285 933968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current definition is interesting enough < 1384590322 93078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway so if you think of opens as observations that you ought to be able to make, then you might ask what a structure-preserving function between (X,A) and (Y,B) could be. < 1384590345 130895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it maps points to points, so you have f : X -> Y < 1384590394 604164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if b is some B-open, and f(x) |= b, then that's a finite observation you were able to make (by using f and an observation in (Y,B)). < 1384590413 18212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About x.) < 1384590422 950645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1384590427 562467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there ought to be some A-open that x satisfies, if it's structure-preserving. < 1384590448 4729 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's the role of the backmap < 1384590453 588194 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should'be < 1384590455 500338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1384590459 732984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've been obvious i guess < 1384590460 409108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, given f, there ought to be some thing g : B -> A such that f(x) |= b iff x |= g(b) < 1384590464 578714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1384590482 936254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it works out nicely for g to be a frame homomorphism, of course. < 1384590539 402069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a "continuous function" between (X,A) and (Y,B) is defined to be (f : X -> Y, g : B -> A) such that f(x) |= b iff x |= g(b) < 1384590540 711569 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something we require i guess? < 1384590547 20381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And g is a frame homomorphism.) < 1384590595 294745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1384590618 302 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay in the case of usual topology, g is precisely the map that maps an open to its f-preimage i guess < 1384590623 342118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take a topological space, so that b is an open set, then clearly this is just defining g to be -- right. < 1384590656 482032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the morphism is entirely defined by f. < 1384590666 887578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :welllll < 1384590691 113434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the frame is like injective in the sense that no two opens have the same points < 1384590697 791947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess it's determined by f < 1384590709 395645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the case of a usual topological space. < 1384590712 443344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384590713 420427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general it isn't, of course. < 1384590721 129106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example when X is empty.) < 1384590725 2188 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, i guess you explicitly require that it's a lattice homomorphism? < 1384590741 493160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g? A frame homomorphism, yes. < 1384590793 764319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The counterpart of a continuous function from (A, r, X) to (B, s, Y) is a pair (f, g) of functions f : A → B, g : Y → X satisfying the adjointness condition s(f(a), y) = r(a, g(y)) for all a ∈ A and y ∈ Y. < 1384590798 345245 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i totally get this now < 1384590809 906678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looked really weird a few minutes ago. < 1384590847 771582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so a Chu space generalizes a frame to not necessarily be a frame, and generalizes |= : (A,X) -> Bool to |= : (A,X) -> K < 1384590896 674954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1384590903 131708 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let X be a topological space and Y a subset < 1384590924 916637 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get a topological system on Y by taking as the frame the opens of X < 1384590930 274869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their order < 1384590968 589841 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frame is always the same as it was in X, but for example if Y = {} then the satisfaction relation is pretty trivial. < 1384590975 684174 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps all topological systems arise this way? < 1384591063 150238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's possible. I don't know. < 1384591084 984272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general topology, subspaces are defined the same way (except you add Y as an open set), but some open sets of X become the same set for Y; now you just don't identify them. and i guess it makes sense for the "frame" of the sub-topological system to be the same as the frame of the original space. < 1384591132 718944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(makes sense in the sense that the word "frame" could be considered to suggest that) < 1384591149 830446 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or it could be considered to suggest anything else i guess) < 1384591245 526604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think possibly this book talks about that but I've only read some of it so far. < 1384591274 496973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which book < 1384591285 521726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topology via Logic < 1384591365 973747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this "adjointness condition" thing and the backwards-and-forwards maps thing are a bit strange. < 1384591379 392663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really get adjointness < 1384591407 37543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like maybe you could define it as some product C × D^op or something, if you could figure out a nice way of talking about the extra condition. < 1384591418 404398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've tried to get it quite a few times) < 1384591462 775993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual definition of an adjunction F -| G is that Hom(F(A), B) ≅ Hom(A, G(B)), natural in A and B < 1384591467 779006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where F and G are functors, of course.) < 1384591480 305912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i've noticed you're on #categorytheory, did you perhaps mention the channel at some point? i have no idea why i'm there myself < 1384591497 595214 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what's "natural in A and B" < 1384591522 118690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is very similar, except it's dealing with functions instead of functors, and it generalizes Hom_C/Hom_D to s/r. < 1384591523 708935 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that takes a page to define and a week to take in, and then it's obvious? < 1384591545 61038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it means you have a natural isomorphism between functors. < 1384591551 168083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I mentioned ##categorytheory in here. < 1384591565 620273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :between what functors < 1384591568 541260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturality does take a bit to take in. < 1384591572 893051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hom(F(A), B) is not a functor, it's a set. < 1384591587 546709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The functors \a b -> Hom(F(a), b) < 1384591596 99396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is : C^op x D -> Set < 1384591601 940364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1384591612 747464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, and the other Hom functor which gets the same type, of course. < 1384591662 110266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually something that sounds understandable < 1384591707 937541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually people write it Hom(F(-), -) and so on < 1384591723 80574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say "natural in X" it means that X is implicitly an argument. < 1384591741 999327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to guess what categories are dualed < 1384591744 272657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that you have a natural transformation. < 1384591752 62513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384591756 815115 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's no choice... < 1384591761 427815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Hom_C : C^op x C -> Set < 1384591802 51116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And F : D -> C, and we overload that to mean F : D^op -> C^op because it's the same thing. < 1384591819 943588 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1384591828 537832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could write Hom(F^op(-), -) ≅ Hom(-, G(-)) < 1384591870 801537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's helpful though (is it unambiguous even?) < 1384591902 552882 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is < 1384591919 986676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very standard because it's usually pretty obvious which way F is being used. < 1384591959 514128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious to some < 1384591976 561823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not obvious to slow noobs < 1384592060 824451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it seems pretty related to this whole topological system and/or Chu space thing. < 1384592066 348796 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so F and G are adjoint if the functors \a b -> Hom(F^op(a), b) and \a b -> Hom(a, G(b)) are adjoint, as functors C^op \times D \to Set < 1384592070 587255 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the definition < 1384592079 482272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are naturally isomorphic. < 1384592086 147444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm right < 1384592088 266915 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1384592109 587842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a definition. < 1384592118 626451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjoint_functors#Hom-set_adjunction < 1384592124 509192 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally isomorphic = there's a natural transformation from F to G such that every object map F(x) \to G(x) is an isomorphism < 1384592142 829887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds right. < 1384592211 158032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A natural isomorphism is probably defined as a pair (f : F -> G,g : G -> F) such that f . g = id, g . f = id with natural transformation composition. But I think that works out to the same thing.) < 1384592222 30005 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i guess that explains everything you just did < 1384592236 142145 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't looked very closely at that definition, just the previous one < 1384592238 991653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's too complicated < 1384592277 569951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unit-counit one is also nice but from a different perspective. < 1384592294 167017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably the simplest definition. < 1384592319 239713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that when F has an inverse, it's always adjoint to its inverse. < 1384592328 120011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, at least it looks like something i could understand if i spent half an hour looking at mental images of diagrams < 1384592336 526899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a useful half an hour < 1384592353 392324 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjoints are in some sense unique right < 1384592360 820506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it doesn't have an inverse it might still have adjoints which you can think of as a best effort at an inverse or something. < 1384592366 225439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1384592414 74219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know what an inverse functor is, or at least what precisely should be required from one < 1384592438 64824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case again that clarifies a lot < 1384592489 859575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the most obvious definition would be that you have an isomorphism between categories. < 1384592515 511533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. F . G = id, id = G . F < 1384592527 115093 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess F's inverse if G such that F \circ G and G \circ F are naturally isomorphic to the identity functors? < 1384592537 314606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh err exactly equal? < 1384592551 244991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay you mean that's the obvious one < 1384592564 331172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "exactly equal" is in practice too strong, you just want "naturally isomorphic". < 1384592567 369663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1384592576 476687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you get for example equivalence with skeleton < 1384592591 909953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pick "exactly equal" you get isomorphism of categories, which isn't really what you want in practice, so you use "naturally isomorphic" to get equivalent of categories. < 1384592615 12756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have F,G that give you an equivalence of categories then they're adjoint too. < 1384592640 119396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can often think of the special case of categories which are posets, and functors which are monotonic functions. < 1384592666 220515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "≅" turns into "iff" and these are called "Galois connections" and people say it's simpler. < 1384592679 795682 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude you are so wise < 1384592709 836550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :galois connections are awesome i hear < 1384592726 316413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that too but I don't understand them all that well. < 1384592787 73759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you think of some way to relax "F . G ≅ id" and "id ≅ G . F", you might end up saying that those should just be natural transformations instead of isomorphisms. < 1384592799 258092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the unit-counit of the other definition. < 1384592814 405355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eps : F . G -> 1, eta : 1 -> G . F < 1384592845 949896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can think of it in the case of posets as relaxing f(g(x)) = x and x = g(f(x)) to f(g(x)) ≤ x and x ≤ g(f(x)) < 1384592879 54353 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1384592887 258156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are some laws, namely that if you eta-and-then-eps you end up where you started. < 1384592911 120268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they work in different categories, so it's more like "eps . fmap eta = id" and "fmap eps . eta = id" < 1384592929 487035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AdjointFunctorSymmetry.png < 1384592954 160721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going back and forth between these definitions is a good way to figure them out. < 1384592996 824031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap? < 1384593015 712482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's how you write it in Haskell. < 1384593038 871661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "eps . F eta" and "G eps . eta", or maybe the other way around. < 1384593100 703799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's not exactly eps, it's eps-of-F-of, but anyway when you try to work out how these things could possibly compose there's only one way that makes sense. < 1384593178 793297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess talking about this helped me figure out part of my question. < 1384593207 523934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really used to thinking about what makes sense when taking in definitions < 1384593231 463313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well, take the exact definition from Wikipedia or nlab. < 1384593302 636098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of continuous function didn't quite make sense to me until I saw the topological system formulation of it. < 1384593319 707965 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384593325 282046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where it's vaguely obvious -- it's just a structure-preserving map as usual. < 1384593504 63779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's F eta < 1384593524 368106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta is a functor from D to itself < 1384593527 79875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1384593530 144168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i saying < 1384593534 358423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta is a natural transformation < 1384593559 174519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta is a natural transformation from 1_D to GF < 1384593564 177593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384593576 25015 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we're composing if with a functor from D to C < 1384593577 640285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_transformation#Operations_with_natural_transformations for the notation used in that article. < 1384593606 274617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(F eta)_x means F (eta_x) < 1384593612 309683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've gone down this road but i usually lose patience at some point :P) < 1384593642 905232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for eta : G -> H, F eta : F.G -> F.H < 1384593672 432358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (eta F)_x = eta_(Fx) < 1384593730 765512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta F : G.F -> H.F < 1384593745 594790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm explaining this much more confusingly than Wikipedia so just read that.) < 1384593821 743459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's helpful to have someone be all like lol this is easy < 1384593833 318574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually i don't have much pressure to learn this since i don't know anyone who knows category theory < 1384593873 962331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know category theory. :-( Sometimes I pretend to know a bit on IRC. < 1384593910 998436 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pullbacks! < 1384593912 490747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it certainly seems like it's relevant here to the whole adjointness thing. < 1384593976 901920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can generalize Chu spaces to work in arbitrary categories, with p/q being functors rather than functions? < 1384594018 805215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the ones in p(f(a), b) = q(a, g(b)) < 1384594031 692164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except this is already more general than adjunctions in a couple of ways. < 1384594068 318786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about f . g doesn't even make sense here because A/B and X/Y are two different kinds of things, not necessarily both categories/sets/whatever. < 1384594102 998405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And p/q aren't Hom, they're just functions. < 1384594152 859731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Saying that p/q are "2-valued" as opposed to "K-valued" seems a bit like talking about posets/preörders instead of general categories.) < 1384594250 540645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's put the contravariant argument first to make it more like Hom. < 1384594297 701420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a space-system-thingy is (A,X,p : A×X -> K) < 1384594318 716396 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream that i tried to put my pants on and it was incredibly hard < 1384594328 715898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting them on i mean < 1384594353 920907 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to step outside my apartment, when i realized i had no clothes on < 1384594392 270439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my girlfriend and her sister were inside, and i was embarrassed that they'd know i almost went outside without any clothes on so i started putting them on at the door, while afraid that someone would see me < 1384594395 356269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took forever < 1384594420 933220 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but yeah do continue < 1384594439 717547 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384594447 270510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a homomorphism : (A,X,p) -> (B,Y,q) is (f : B -> A, g : X -> Y) s.t. for any b : B, x : X, p(f(b), x) = q(b, g(x)) < 1384594450 946998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that sound right? < 1384594467 845165 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are A, X, p and K here < 1384594479 276994 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sets, categories or nostrils? < 1384594486 50208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Chu space? I think they're just sets and functions. < 1384594497 694666 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you were already generalizing there. < 1384594515 608619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this is still the old Chu space thing. < 1384594527 135723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just rephrased a bit. < 1384594532 919212 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the latter guy in the tuple is the points < 1384594536 854635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first is the frame < 1384594541 85725 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"frame" < 1384594543 345930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1384594559 192177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one issue here in the definition of Chu space is that f is just a regular function, not a homomorphism. < 1384594575 382407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds right yes < 1384594608 201044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you should say that A/B are objects in one category and X/Y are objects in another category. < 1384594617 909817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And f/g are morphisms. < 1384594625 630026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1384594655 174955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running out of letters. :-( < 1384594664 288077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö, ä, å < 1384594686 433622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, using categories instead of functions makes it clearer, actually. < 1384594719 689717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we have (A : C, X : D, p : A^op × X -> K) < 1384594722 943407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where p is a functor. < 1384594724 826700 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1384594725 610504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1384594762 875817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably properties that we want p to satisfy to make it "Hom-like". < 1384594782 808436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a thing for functors that are like Hom? < 1384594808 441505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to presheaves or something, maybe? < 1384594808 954297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say p is a functor < 1384594822 435536 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean p is a functor from C^op \times D to K < 1384594831 98491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what's a functor from an object < 1384594835 865950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a category < 1384594843 43533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, you're right, that made no sense. < 1384594873 632056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so that doesn't work. < 1384594881 560572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does A×X even mean when A and X are objects? < 1384594900 225695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In different categories.) < 1384594905 785970 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means the tuple (A, X)? < 1384594911 899045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1384594933 748432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mixing up levels here. < 1384594956 269583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it seems you are trying to work with morphisms between objects that come from different categories < 1384594978 900884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is beyondly stuff. < 1384595020 108547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right. That's one of the ways in which these Chu space things are weirder than regular adjunctions. < 1384595056 528803 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most interesting channel i keep not looking at because i don't understand a word < 1384595067 676114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so the old definition: A space is (A : Set, X : Set, p : A×X -> K) < 1384595090 766138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where K is some global fixed thing. < 1384595144 603985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A homomorphism : (A,X,p) -> (B,Y,q) is (f : B -> A, g : X -> Y) s.t. forall b∈B, x∈X, p(f(b), x) = q(b, g(x)) < 1384595232 88407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1384595242 348783 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384595322 382870 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nooodl! < 1384595326 924658 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1384595415 830122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: help < 1384595422 355975 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1384595464 949380 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how that should be generalized < 1384595479 871369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is it doesn't even cover our old notion of topological systems. < 1384595488 802478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since we can't get frame homomorphisms. < 1384595541 288319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can relax the "K-valued relation" thing for a bit and bring back the iffs. < 1384595549 89310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that even help? < 1384595561 131009 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384595578 908836 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iffs sound uncategorical < 1384595584 588150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1384595605 204938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want something that lets you express the topological system thing in a reasonable way. < 1384595626 147231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure p ought to be something more than a function somehow. < 1384595626 726164 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm < 1384595647 166657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so much like Hom. < 1384595705 89654 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have two categories, the one of points (Set) and the one for frames (Lattice?). a topological system is, first of all, a tuple (X, A) where X is from the point category and A is from the frame category but how do you say which points are in which opens? < 1384595732 208268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frames aren't just lattices, they're a bit more. < 1384595752 322823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean because they have infinite joins or what < 1384595760 236568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And meets distribute over joins. < 1384595771 444166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a system is (X, A, |=), I guess. < 1384595785 23539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say that's what Lattice is the category of. < 1384595791 295778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay let's call if Frame < 1384595805 232076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_heyting_algebra calls it Frm < 1384595816 686515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still how do you connect two objects from different categories < 1384595829 293685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "satisfies" is a relation, |= ⊆ X×A < 1384595830 671879 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could have a fixed functor from Frm to Set < 1384595833 79403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1384595841 285038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the book's definition. < 1384595843 356714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a pretty unsatisfying way of doing it. < 1384595844 216171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's a bad idea < 1384595991 800787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read http://boole.stanford.edu/pub/coimbra.pdf < 1384596013 297637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it calls the points A and the "states" X. < 1384596020 663975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too confusing for me. < 1384596087 168518 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :proves that functions between Chu < 1384596087 355858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces are continuous if and only if they are homomorphisms. < 1384596112 339529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right? < 1384596122 755662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means < 1384596173 301635 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.178.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384596200 483550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, given the definition of continuous that they have in that PDF, sure. < 1384596242 428202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should have read all of the Wikipedia article, too. < 1384596300 353006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you put everything in some monoidal category you can do all the same things. < 1384596319 539152 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384596355 735157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. a (C : Cat, K : C)-space is (A : C, X : C, p : A⊗X -> K) < 1384596410 214935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a morphism : (A,X,p) -> (B,Y,q) is (f : B -> A, g : X -> Y) s.t. forall b:B, x:X. p(f(b), x) = q(b, g(x)) < 1384596420 785177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where maybe = means isomorphic? < 1384596488 790999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can recover the usual notion of adjunction from that. < 1384596555 615660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chu(Cat, Set), where every p is p(-,-) = Hom(-^op,-) < 1384596582 164468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having to insert that ^op is really ugly, surely there's a nicer way to express all this? < 1384596687 132741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Where maybe = means isomorphic?" i would default to "equal" < 1384596732 779278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"isomorphic" gives us the wrong thing in the Set case. < 1384596748 803275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it gives us the right thing in the category case. :-) I don't know. < 1384596838 78213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But neither of them lets us do the thing where we have two different categories. < 1384596878 81937 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does p(f(b), x) = q(b, g(x)) doesn't even mean? is C a concrete category < 1384596898 81183 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-doesn't < 1384596939 227826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means that I'm saying complete nonsense again. Sigh. < 1384596965 191923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what am I trying to say here? < 1384597014 124132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original Chu construction as described in Po-Hsiang (Peter) Chu’s master’s < 1384597017 131617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thesis took a symmetric monoidal closed category V with pullbacks and an < 1384597019 631992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :object k of V and “completed” V to a self-dual category Chu(V, k). < 1384597057 709371 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forall b:B, x:X. p(f(b), x) = q(b, g(x))" could be changed into "p \circ (f \times id_X) and q \circ (\id_B, g) are isomorphic morphisms in some category (the arrow category?)" maybe, assuming the category has products in a nice sense. < 1384597070 281373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that means nothing either < 1384597094 570088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's closed category, does that mean cartesian closed i wonder < 1384597121 49593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384597122 252422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monoidal closed" is like "cartesian closed" but with some monoidal category, not necessarily categorical product. < 1384597123 731647 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all i guess. < 1384597187 729936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : analogy with categories enriched in V [Kel82] one might refer to the < 1384597187 925448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects of the general Chu construction Chu(V, k) as V -enriched Chu spaces, < 1384597188 76459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed Chu(V, k) can be formulated as a V -category, one whose hom-objects < 1384597189 916592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are objects of V . < 1384597193 718947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1384597341 844225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, apparently Chu spaces were introduced in the context of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*-autonomous_category < 1384597400 926855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that can be a place for the ^op to come from? < 1384597412 150335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, maybe. < 1384597413 868363 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384597425 584338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is category theory so harrrrd < 1384597427 297750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, probably not. < 1384597431 878485 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooooooo harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd < 1384597437 5732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊥ is an actual object here. < 1384597542 836366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired now to think about any of this. < 1384597548 238271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Thanks for your help! < 1384597577 546075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was helpful?? i thought you were teaching me. < 1384597596 385263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're welcome i guess :P < 1384597647 665677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like de Paiva's thesis was about something related to all this. < 1384597662 531269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are basically no courses that talk about category theory at our university < 1384597665 426146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crazy < 1384597677 465677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear she sometimes comes to bacat. Maybe we can get her to talk about it. < 1384597677 762162 :mig22!~mig@bb121-7-146-76.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1384597714 745244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the thing I was "really" trying to understand was the whole topological systems/Chu spaces bit. But it seems so categorical. < 1384597803 422955 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384597827 493180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1384598180 414567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was asking whether you could express the space/system/whatever as some sort of C×D^op, I was focusing too much on (A,X) and not enough on p. < 1384598228 821751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But p is the important thing here anyway. < 1384598261 71577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's why I wanted to say something like p : A^op×X -> K < 1384598317 115198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't make sense as-is and I don't know what sort of thing p would be or what sort of thing ^op would be such that it causes the arrows to be reversed. < 1384598339 50452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to sleep. < 1384598974 516630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :night! < 1384599008 53577 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah i too have no idea what anything should be, is, will be, or squirrels about. < 1384599965 897585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of games could be made out of category theory? < 1384600198 539037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other various mathematical systems? < 1384600237 367040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to make some out of sequent calculus. < 1384600650 549405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1384601742 718470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384602076 859349 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384602303 796760 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384602963 552231 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384603054 334601 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384603059 156284 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384603474 876756 :mig22!~mig@bb121-7-146-76.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1384603475 390031 :auzboz!7b337982@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.51.121.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384603739 249238 :auzboz!7b337982@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.51.121.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1384605866 976237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, someone created a substitute-all-the-symbols language that /isn't/ based on brainfuck? < 1384605876 754247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make it any better as a language, but at least it's more original than usual :) < 1384605889 875875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the Phantom Hoover verdict on that sort of language is
< 1384605920 608812 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning Io < 1384606571 911943 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.219.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384606755 700343 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1384607123 88593 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384609038 308801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384609121 300234 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384609940 849264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not the first time. RAGE!!! is a syntax replacement for python < 1384609966 959163 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1384609981 248022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: right < 1384609996 967566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it currently seems to be BF-or-(non-eso)-language, right? < 1384610020 8336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of one that doesn't fit one of those two, no < 1384610210 695651 :mig22!~mig@bb121-7-146-76.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1384610360 291371 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have a challenge for you. come up with an algorithm that clears cells from an infinite BF tape based on a (cautious not-likely-to-make-type1-errors) analysis of the portion of the program that has left to be run < 1384610368 708931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Eye < 1384610374 179597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1384610387 858535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that < 1384610390 461316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically "it looks like this cell will never be read or written again, so delete it" < 1384610394 362695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about BF Joust or regular BF? < 1384610405 735932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really about SELECT. < 1384610412 728778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384610414 496712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say BF < 1384610416 642330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_Eye < 1384610419 794946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this is just silly < 1384610428 418832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an attempt to throw away memory that will never be touched again? < 1384610439 274342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added a command for that in Shove < 1384610447 522861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit of a cop-out < 1384610455 132843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384610851 963473 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF92774.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384611070 598357 :mig22!~mig@bb121-7-146-76.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1384611588 679487 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF92774.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1384611904 825859 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.219.253 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1384612438 236779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fiora is that possible without arbitrarily small distances between objects? <-- i am assuming no, since that's the only way i can see you getting infinite kinetic energy from potential... < 1384614717 912105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A black hole should be able to give you infinite kinetic energy, right? < 1384614822 563601 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384614869 997310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: by accelerating you to infinite velocities? < 1384614895 714360 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. There might be problems with regards to time though < 1384614935 466602 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With regards of an external observer, you never even cross the event horizon < 1384615071 78431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: this was about newtonian mechanics, which doesn't have black holes. < 1384615129 506177 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newtonian mechanics has an infinite speed of light, right? < 1384615169 549556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might, in any case other objects don't have a speed limit. < 1384615252 828846 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Newtonian mechanics, you need either infinite velocity or mass < 1384615287 727290 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably does mean accelerating towards a singularity < 1384615328 206851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous discussion was about how you _can_ get infinite speed in newtonian mechanics, even without starting with it. < 1384615338 948429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for point masses, anyway. < 1384615631 647964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that through abuse of the rocket equation or sth < 1384615746 769561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just plain gravitation, no other forces. < 1384615825 325337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i was implying to Fiora, it's probably borrowing potential energy from two of the masses getting infinitely close/colliding. < 1384615983 576431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1384615998 779477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, two point masses falling towards each other will go infinitely fast won't they < 1384616050 58981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so. although the actual example has a point mass going infinitely fast towards infinity. < 1384616739 570551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1384618049 788801 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: golddfish breeding is kind of messed up sometimes. < 1384618099 434215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to consist mostly of "how much can we fuck up a goldfish and still be able to breed it" < 1384618157 270159 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. :( < 1384618496 420225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384618692 799068 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was odd < 1384618704 573713 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone hid the carpet from my flat's hallway < 1384618760 270468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dastardly < 1384618933 92722 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, when everyone was standing around the bare underlay, he said "We need to cover it up. Maybe we can cover it up with this?", holding the carpet < 1384619185 876784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds way more fun than my halls < 1384620833 331757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384621069 133028 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384621767 876023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384622745 327707 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1384623410 719049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384623993 124665 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384624144 529671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's innovation: In many (Windows) games, I can keep an SSH client open on a second monitor, while the game itself is fullscreen on the first -- but typically there's no way of interacting with the SSH client without alt-tabbing out of the game. However! I can "screen -x" the same screen window that's visible in the SSH client from a mobile device, and then connect a small Bluetooth ... < 1384624150 538262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... keyboard to that mobile device. And now I have a separate keyboard for blathering in IRC or whatever. So fancy. < 1384624277 392604 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to have two different keyboards on the same device interacting with different windows < 1384624296 565359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384624307 527332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could certainly hack something up for that. < 1384624330 878365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write something that listens for /dev/input/eventX of the other keyboard, convince X not to listen to it, and have that program synthesize key events. < 1384624331 35089 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384624342 157826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any out-of-the-box solutions, though. < 1384624358 325347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's MPX if you want different mice to have their own independent pointers. < 1384624407 485710 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384624419 166600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I think it was called MPX.) < 1384624465 504186 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384624542 452002 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384624704 755218 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pavucontrol (pulse audio volume control) turns volumes UP when you scroll-wheel DOWN and DOWN when you scroll-wheel UP. < 1384624715 182926 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software written by people who have never used software is the best kind of software. < 1384624732 234713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the reason i want that problem solved is because SELECT. has no way of returning sufficiently modified cells to their original state without clobbering another cell, which means SELECT. programs are memory hogs by necessity (you have to use a new cell for every new number you want). so it would be nice if my interpreter could clean up unusable cells automatically < 1384624758 4010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, it's clearly an unsolvable problem in general, but it may be solvable in useful special cases < 1384625473 995743 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE BROKEN MY OATH < 1384625496 863751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1384625550 551969 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I promised I'd try to drink less caffeinated soft drinks < 1384625551 908976 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384625557 771730 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After an incident a couple of weeks ago < 1384625572 51687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a CAOS command: < 1384625573 591572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I decided to give them up for a bit several years ago < 1384625573 748360 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pat: butt < 1384625577 691234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, umm, trying to work it out < 1384625579 207459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 years ago < 1384625582 658938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haven't drunk them since < 1384625608 21960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving up vehicles only lasted a month, though, but then that wasn't meant to be permanent < 1384625626 391423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's interesting to learn how rarely they're needed < 1384625639 953040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I only use them if I'm in a hurry or it's raining really badly or I need to go a long distance < 1384625668 851188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually when I give things up, it's never really meant to be permanent, sometimes it just turns out that way < 1384625670 810024 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I actually don't need vehicles, the furthest I need to be is about half an hour's walk from here < 1384625687 220809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, s/half an hour/one hour ten minutes/ < 1384625689 492058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1384625693 739439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much the same situation < 1384625715 783940 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's only in term time and not-term time. The edges I need to travel, I guess < 1384625752 117573 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the bus a lot < 1384625756 935915 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :car quite rarely < 1384625758 207836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's close to the reason I was travelling, too; I don't need to move house between termtime and holiday, but I'm sometimes needed to help other people travel < 1384625762 510480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that used to be the case for me, too < 1384625773 235343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my bus pass ran out and I needed exercise and the commute seemed like a good time < 1384625788 78397 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1384625792 417275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice thing about using walking as exercise is that nothing forces the start point and destination to be the same < 1384625798 136987 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a student bus pass so it costs me nothing < 1384625803 514593 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you guys give any tips for finding flatmates < 1384625810 91002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I used to have a student bus pass, but I'm not eligible for it any more < 1384625817 930383 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that I need to start to think about that < 1384625819 642874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, I can't, or at least my advice would probably be really bad < 1384625843 162844 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how about some cautionary tales? < 1384625850 944471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor that < 1384625855 319868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had a flatmate < 1384625857 674363 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :step one, find a mate. step two, find a flat. step three, mate the flat and the mate < 1384625873 398735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably get some cautionary tales from oerjan, though < 1384625873 712160 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd paste a video I took yeserday, but when I made it, I was incompetent with the recording tool I used < 1384625894 19582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpufk1bed9M < 1384625899 332823 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: be careful if you room with a good friend; it can deteriorate a friendship quick if you don't get along as roommates < 1384625904 975518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on comments he made in #esoteric, he used to be with some if he disliked < 1384625910 498460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that sounds like good advice < 1384625943 237996 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I think that if that happened I'd blame myself and then be really sad < 1384625974 942334 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can be choosy, ask about things like sleeping habits < 1384626000 430697 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're social people, being on the same sleep schedule is good; if you're not, you may prefer being on different ones < 1384626026 253202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleep schedule is not actually random, but I'm not convinced it compresses well < 1384626061 103491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also figure out if you want to share food/dishes < 1384626086 983321 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people take the approach that each roommate brings their own and there is no sharing, others handle it communally. if you're doing communal, make sure to sort out payment < 1384626129 732058 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaning is another big source of friction; work out your mutual expectations < 1384626138 965612 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people can't stand to live with things not clean, and others can't be bothered to clean < 1384626147 601052 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprisingly, these two types of people don't go well together < 1384626248 211247 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the advice, coppro < 1384626257 639893 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the caffeine and sugar are going to my head and I feel woozy < 1384626331 355398 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on the layout and personal preferences, significant others may also be an issue) < 1384626529 802252 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384626590 978659 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384626959 689101 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384628153 925346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1384628436 253271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1384628479 131284 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF92C8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384628485 944917 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF92C8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1384628500 85168 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF92C8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384629068 738104 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF92C8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1384629348 829944 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384630247 190822 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384630264 325687 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384631312 570884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: did you see the longversation about chu spaces in here yesterday < 1384631507 901799 :Guest72395!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384631593 379052 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384631643 679144 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's everyone's hardware programming language going? < 1384631659 625846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hardware programming language? < 1384631818 681432 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed everybode was working on one . < 1384631828 307170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really I just forgot how it was how was doing that < 1384631869 576387 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by how i mean who < 1384631879 631375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm apparentely a little bit legasthenic < 1384631881 803788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am one of the people who was designing a hardware programming language, and wanted some comments about it < 1384632005 877390 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384632178 554664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't add a lot recently since I didn't know what else needs to be change; one thing would be analog stuff, CMOS stuff, and various other things. < 1384632363 662429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the macros are OK now though; do you think of anything missing or redundant or something with the macro system I have defined for this purpose? < 1384633210 666440 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384633372 543024 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384633478 949339 :Guest72395!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384633590 964856 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1384633847 125697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i'm still waiting for jsvine to write that article < 1384633887 323333 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yeah < 1384634058 44246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I didn't know they haven't done so yet? < 1384634103 331212 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384634615 143240 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384634713 23835 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384634733 756951 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has come to the point where I'm seriously designing esoteric processing units < 1384635006 547172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Can you describe it please? < 1384635177 334504 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1384635345 480904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote scipi < 1384635350 865554 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1384635353 505985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote scipy < 1384635355 416001 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1384635478 452076 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1384635516 961231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm designig weird cpus :) < 1384635523 908165 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*designing < 1384635547 255427 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1384635550 592653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever designed a blitter < 1384635953 986149 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384636254 935444 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1384636255 491425 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1384636262 967743 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://codepad.org/43llKpDB < 1384636266 459132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- stuff like that < 1384636268 821479 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, but they're cool. < 1384636276 160271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen blitters? < 1384636293 602423 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah. basically a coprocessor that can do memory movs according to a mask. < 1384636329 608166 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1384636347 836073 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1384636359 383651 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that SBA could actually be moved out of the loop to make it run faster < 1384636469 14005 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm designing something with integrated Support for graphics stuff and stuff < 1384636474 750318 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll write some crappy game for it < 1384636481 407487 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I consider the project done :) < 1384636729 131369 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah < 1384636739 208689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :DST and SRC set the destination and source < 1384636743 99555 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384636747 848018 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they arent encoded in instructions itself < 1384636760 282373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but must ruther be set by instructions < 1384636762 609502 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rather < 1384636785 53874 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is a meritocracy because it’s an empirical activity. That’s why we don’t have programming fads or fashions. < 1384636802 531189 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/10 not even mad < 1384636867 591464 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it the most wonderful quote? < 1384636916 172706 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384636956 699324 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, by wonderful do you mean humorously completely wrong? < 1384636977 334595 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1384636990 647665 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a real opinion. < 1384637091 483600 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the consequence is so hilariously wrong that it disproves the antecedent. < 1384637185 559816 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1384637185 777425 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's about time Stephen Wolfram got credit for inventing Lisp." good blog here < 1384637207 420772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, he hasn't taken credit for that yet? < 1384637208 745219 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh another good one < 1384637235 121363 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xah lee would like that < 1384637243 239093 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Language will be the last programming language we ever need™ < 1384637736 768498 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384638020 551814 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how need is copywritten < 1384638090 883170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy god is wolfram making a programming language < 1384638091 627676 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "well typed programs can't go wrong™" < 1384638110 691648 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he is < 1384638128 251911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1384638129 794975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1384638272 202072 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it called "Wolfram" < 1384638323 394319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: copywritten? :( < 1384638378 971378 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops "trademarked" < 1384638385 882095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean that the copy writer added the trademark sign < 1384638399 194330 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wolfram beta < 1384638405 442899 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssss. < 1384638425 906487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: OK, that is you have some idea < 1384638452 58611 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it actually is called Wolfram, I think < 1384638481 58442 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are we supposed to make jokes if real life beats us to them < 1384638575 798370 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384638626 571743 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.219.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384638849 302231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hm? < 1384638894 113324 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :One always needs an idea before doing anything. < 1384638907 485846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: What game did you intend to write? < 1384638912 457794 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm also designing a CPU for my university ;) < 1384638930 264433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What CPU do you design for your university? < 1384638938 483450 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking of Pong. < 1384638965 51295 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's actually a whole "computer system" < 1384638983 264986 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be a simplified "real computer" < 1384638996 177685 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for demonstration purposes. < 1384639015 667294 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a full cache and MMU emulation < 1384639045 306775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I wanted is a CPU with explicit caching/pipelining rather than being implicit. < 1384639059 238281 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1384639067 451475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure exactly how, but I think it would be a good idea. < 1384639071 639729 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why "wanted"? < 1384639076 342545 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how would that work? < 1384639081 898931 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If have to explictly cache data? < 1384639085 109698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. through uhm. < 1384639099 812343 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache load instructions? < 1384639119 702495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be one thing, I suppose. < 1384639134 546470 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or due you just treat the cache as memory < 1384639146 987828 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have instructions to write from the cache to memory? < 1384639169 799826 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be roughly the same as having an internal RAM and external RAM < 1384639180 506805 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1384639180 663121 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some microcontrollers have < 1384639190 807253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you would have instructions to transfer between the cache and the external memory, and to transfer between the cache and registers. < 1384639198 54774 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the 8051 < 1384639202 317226 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVX and MOV :) < 1384639223 811316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea I had is some instruction to swap between cache and microcode RAM. < 1384639225 775125 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MOVX = external Data) < 1384639243 779026 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually also has MOVC < 1384639255 106538 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is harvard architecture < 1384639295 584311 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384639335 934045 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see why you'd want explicit caching < 1384639369 565242 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, for some microcontrollers it makes sense to keep often accessed data in the internal ram and not the external ram < 1384639371 723844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want explicit caching and pipelining so that it can all be software-controlled with predictable instruction timings, as well as user-defined microcodes. < 1384639406 383396 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you explicitly programm "caching" < 1384639418 394378 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So < 1384639423 27790 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard-Realtime Constraints? < 1384639432 540660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Yes. < 1384639448 254668 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1384639459 859363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I accept as an argument :) < 1384639482 118163 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not well informed about real-time CPUs < 1384639498 496616 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are any specifically designed for that < 1384639514 957935 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could argue that old CPUs with predictable cycles per instructions are more or less real-time-safe < 1384639516 579696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may also simplify the implementation of the CPU somewhat, depending on how it is done, and allows software to figure out the best way to cache data for the application rather than the hardware to guess. < 1384639532 770092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Yes, it is one of the things I prefer about the older CPU designs. < 1384639540 707871 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e old x86 processor < 1384639557 349046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the assembler code you can make worst case timing analysis on the assembler code < 1384639567 398586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it get's a little bit trickier with interrupt latency < 1384639571 483472 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's doable < 1384639574 284101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make it slow on purpose too if you want to. < 1384640571 101668 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384640955 593845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: requested < 1384641099 146368 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384641191 694176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384641534 755797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. poor thing < 1384641536 631102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1384641536 856429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1384641945 112583 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384642200 204376 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1384642225 687533 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lives! < 1384642239 248916 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1384642239 406041 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384642632 560845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: requested < 1384642656 127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, tab completion is evil. I should stop using it. < 1384642673 454301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Is it? Not if you are careful? < 1384642697 661889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lamb completed to lambdabot rather than the intended lambdacat ... < 1384642716 366859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a file named lambdacat in your computer? < 1384642719 487824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should pick a different name for my test bot :) < 1384642784 352414 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott used to use mubot < 1384642785 927735 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. creative < 1384642836 737720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program are you using with tab-completion anyways? Different programs sometimes implement it a bit differently, such as Windows difference from Linux tab completion. < 1384642874 12749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384642888 789019 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, clearly the next one is nubot < 1384642952 107248 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1384643294 629695 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh JOIN :#esoteric < 1384643516 388466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up the program which will provide two low-pass filters and one signal selects any fraction in between the two filters; one filter stops while the other one is running, or the effect of the audio on the filter and vice-versa is only partial and the other filter is the other part of the fraction. A triangle wave then is used to control this fraction, and the signal filtered with a fixed fraction is subtracted from it, to make the output. < 1384643525 394897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a known thing too? < 1384643575 744667 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:707b:81f0:dc04:dc8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384643601 32307 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you provide a sound file? < 1384643612 2175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I could do so < 1384643731 880221 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you? < 1384643742 500980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just wait a minute < 1384643759 668105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: kattacat < 1384644257 103776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: http://zzo38computer.org/csound/music/example1.wav (see example1.csd for the parameters) < 1384644470 379649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: h8r < 1384644488 211675 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I a hater of this time? < 1384644502 480381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do the filters alternate very quickly? < 1384644503 347767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trains? < 1384644512 790588 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Merely a disbeliever < 1384644526 291336 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a traintheist < 1384644554 605760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: They alternate at the frequency of the triangle wave (the p4, p5, and p6 correspond to the fourth, fifth, and sixth parameters on each line of the block in the input file) < 1384644571 230110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ../csoundextraopcodes.c to see what "mixlpf" does. < 1384645923 145649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384646009 826394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover: golddfish breeding is kind of messed up sometimes. it seems to consist mostly of "how much can we fuck up a goldfish and still be able to breed it" < 1384646014 251186 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1133) Phantom_Hoover: golddfish breeding is kind of messed up sometimes. it seems to consist mostly of "how much can we fuck up a goldfish and still be able to breed it" < 1384646433 192115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : After an incident a couple of weeks ago <-- ic, *opens caffeinated soft drink* < 1384646479 367329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this + the pain killers better remove my headache. < 1384646555 961295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines Taneb running frantically around on a caffeine high
< 1384646642 305654 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384646710 321666 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it was more that I was visibly shaking and felt like my entire digestive system was trying to go on holiday < 1384646725 390211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i felt that way yesterday < 1384646738 36303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am typing the Dungeons&Dragons game recording; not finished yet but will be soon, hopefully. < 1384646739 168507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i ate some food and it went away < 1384646742 692657 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I stopped visibly shakin < 1384646743 212512 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1384646751 918520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ok i know that second part. if i take more than about two cups of coffeee. < 1384646756 212788 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And couldn't stop smiling and giggling < 1384646776 892988 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I couldn't feel my hands < 1384646785 916084 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384646793 453562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how f much did you drink < 1384646811 14569 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two pints, on an empty stomach < 1384646820 730347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 2 pints -> l < 1384646830 691968 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :473176473/500000000 (exactly 0.946352946) < 1384646832 465211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 pints of coffee? < 1384646833 901337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get an extra 300 XP for an idea I had about what to do next, just at the end of the session, and this was just enough to advance to 27 ECL (20 HD), so maybe these two new spells might help a bit. < 1384646836 878526 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, of cola < 1384646852 662852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it sugary as well, i expect that doesn't help < 1384646857 21125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's only like half a 2l bottle < 1384646859 384261 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384646860 981873 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think, writing java makes me urinate more < 1384646874 627710 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, it was coca cola < 1384646881 101019 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very sugar, much caffeine < 1384646913 422630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drinks coca cola zero
< 1384646941 6046 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink coke zero now when I haven't eaten much < 1384646996 785312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: fascinating! < 1384647014 132907 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1384647038 438872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be SOAP, though < 1384647068 854282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you logread the whole space nonsense from last night < 1384647085 146443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i quite firmly skipped most of it. < 1384647098 923739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: h8r < 1384647110 76400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo read it and gimme your insights < 1384647120 963718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that the thing about infinite velocity black holes and whatnot? < 1384647122 506709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my concentration would never last through all of that these days. < 1384647142 226855 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always disappointing when someone cites the laws of form seriously. < 1384647143 9347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, it was chu spaces and category theory and adjunction and a horrible mess < 1384647150 457322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*adjunctions < 1384647218 199490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never read the laws of form, but i vaguely recall some claim it's just an encoding of propositional logic or thereabouts. < 1384647239 513191 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1384647253 133994 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people cite it for the metaphysics < 1384647254 405659 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I've got a vague feeling I may have triggered this discussion < 1384647259 430115 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1384647270 91066 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god < 1384647271 535940 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean chu spaces < 1384647280 334564 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant < 1384647286 342251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1384647286 907688 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then yes < 1384647327 677170 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I sincerely apologize < 1384647358 994958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you know, don't start going all Sgeo on worrying about what you're doing tdnh < 1384647394 450044 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, weren't you banned from variants of "hth"? < 1384647404 922331 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't know what you mean by tdnh < 1384647405 995556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i have cheating methods < 1384647409 645702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1384647411 24722 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1384647413 350166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :P < 1384647418 917570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdnh < 1384647421 400957 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh does not help < 1384647433 227039 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1384647433 383834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was me forgetting to use it) < 1384647435 212234 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1384647458 609768 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it finally < 1384647474 401472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i wasn't banned, elliott wrote a censoring script. < 1384647558 260702 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do with an ice cream < 1384647575 121755 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if a) the petrol station next door is open and b) sells ice cream < 1384647589 192159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of ice cream did you want? < 1384647591 474336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i was going to complain to Gregor that the logs broke the windows zooming shortcut, but then i realized i'd been pressing the neutralize zooming shortcut instead < 1384647601 895375 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, vanilla, preferably < 1384647607 46286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also that he'd just laugh evilly at me) < 1384647643 492153 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did tunes.org choose to log esoteric? < 1384647666 638717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, it happened before i got here < 1384647672 129634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie might know? < 1384647685 74215 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why not tar? < 1384647713 918644 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I am not a huge fan of tar flavoured ice cream < 1384647739 350556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :miksi ei tar < 1384647751 710454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm suspicious on that last word, google translate < 1384647760 241708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of < 1384647824 282979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just realizes that fizzie might be the only active one here who's been here longer than him...
< 1384647835 781491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1384647840 122518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, surely < 1384648000 354728 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm seeing if the petrol station's shop is open < 1384648012 295515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck on your quest < 1384648047 462528 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384648093 344107 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote petrol < 1384648095 117012 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :345) what would you ever need petrol for newsflash: it doesn't actually taste that good \ 346) [on petrol] oklofok: it's actually poisonous, so I advise against drinking it ais523, also contains benzene, my carcinogen of choice. < 1384648117 685590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote gasoline < 1384648119 320735 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1384648142 380884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 was on petrol? < 1384648151 358162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugz < 1384648208 938813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should swat shachaf, he made a drugz joke not involving you < 1384648241 622414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he could if he weren't hopelessly idle < 1384648301 921174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in korea and/or japan right now < 1384648325 910721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 based on comments he made in #esoteric, he used to be with some if he disliked <-- i'm too noise sensitive to have flatmates, period. < 1384648326 361856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384648360 696941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :samsung digital city, the small autonomous state < 1384648435 250399 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that ice cream was certainly ice cream < 1384648452 202397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Samsung Town is twinned with Disneyland Paris and Sony World (Tokyo, Japan). The "twinning" is only symbolic and has no legal significance." < 1384648462 182096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so < 1384648479 735930 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think twinning has any legal significance in any case < 1384648507 834641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall trondheim has a twin city in israel and also one in palestine. < 1384648538 217711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as several in europe < 1384648582 601836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's friendship city, but presumably essentially the same thing. < 1384648639 961561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i suppose it might not look good if samsung and sony had an antitrust case against them... < 1384648835 897272 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The streets had been laid down, but no houses were built; merely a row of cardboard boxes housed the first few residents who had migrated east from the slums of Ashburton to enjoy a better standard of living, only to be bitterly disappointed with the estate agents who promised milk and honey but instead delivered a mosquito infested swamp. The Ashburton immigrants, while disappointed all agreed that the swamp was a major step up from their former homes." < 1384648851 543032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote my sleep schedule is not actually random, but I'm not convinced it compresses well < 1384648855 733132 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1134) my sleep schedule is not actually random, but I'm not convinced it compresses well < 1384648910 404370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wtf < 1384648928 602972 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, from the Wikipedia page of the suburb I lived in when I lived in Australia < 1384648968 18359 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Waverley,_Victoria < 1384649086 795975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monash, the ancient grounds of agora nomic < 1384649188 241309 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have met the founders of agora nomic!? < 1384649192 88331 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was 4!? < 1384649198 848232 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've met waggie < 1384649269 577322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! < 1384649294 424945 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:707b:81f0:dc04:dc8 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384649302 518676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well Steve i suppose. < 1384649381 7035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora looks disturbingly quiet. < 1384649738 928663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ™" < 1384649741 98281 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2122 TRADE MARK SIGN] [U+0022 QUOTATION MARK] < 1384649766 817445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful, this command < 1384649808 845800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wolfram Language will be the last programming language we ever need™ <-- i assume because it will cause the end of the world somehow. < 1384649867 558826 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode TRADE MARK SIGN < 1384649869 444758 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​™ < 1384649871 373304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1384649884 875323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ™cool™ < 1384649970 810649 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt gr+shift+8 < 1384650027 594267 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :¾? < 1384650040 711315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ™ here < 1384650316 719485 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1384650412 440208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose-t-m < 1384650436 802901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: make a better compose setup < 1384650510 537048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode REGISTERED TRADE MARK SIGN < 1384650512 409498 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1384650519 548040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo fickle < 1384650530 723453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode REGISTERED SIGN < 1384650532 632959 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​® < 1384650772 404152 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode COPYRIGHT SIGN < 1384650773 909942 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​© < 1384650783 570744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright ⓒ < 1384650857 418949 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf™ < 1384650892 926492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⓒ < 1384650894 875676 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+24D2 CIRCLED LATIN SMALL LETTER C] < 1384651049 768912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⓒ < 1384651180 773370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode Ⓒ #oh no, shachaf is onto me < 1384651182 615208 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+24B8 CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C] < 1384651201 75238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode � < 1384651202 702935 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unidecode", line 4, in \ print u" ".join("[U+{0:04X} {1}]".format(ord(c), unicodedata.name(c, "DUNNO")) for c in " ".join(sys.argv[1:]).decode("utf-8")).encode("utf-8") \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode \ return codecs.utf_8_decode < 1384651207 223505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode � < 1384651208 838613 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unidecode", line 4, in \ print u" ".join("[U+{0:04X} {1}]".format(ord(c), unicodedata.name(c, "DUNNO")) for c in " ".join(sys.argv[1:]).decode("utf-8")).encode("utf-8") \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode \ return codecs.utf_8_decode < 1384651221 635876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...am i on that stupid encoding still < 1384651230 413418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover....................................................................... < 1384651235 850377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode © < 1384651237 753798 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A9 COPYRIGHT SIGN] < 1384651239 80790 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c, DUNNO < 1384651245 526598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384651249 544883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck's sake xchat < 1384651254 747932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode � < 1384651256 310524 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unidecode", line 4, in \ print u" ".join("[U+{0:04X} {1}]".format(ord(c), unicodedata.name(c, "DUNNO")) for c in " ".join(sys.argv[1:]).decode("utf-8")).encode("utf-8") \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode \ return codecs.utf_8_decode < 1384651264 887462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fuck this shit < 1384651386 127781 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384651409 885850 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384651767 108700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how useless the aleph numbers are < 1384651923 590259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384652105 757111 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imapqxypxznttvmi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384652128 393208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick LordEnglish < 1384652193 979360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: move to better server, be right back < 1384652298 64843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO LAMBDABOT, IT'S A TRAP! < 1384652465 814810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d JOIN :#esoteric < 1384652528 540339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1384652528 733319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1384652551 416927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let fibs = fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1384652552 412223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1384652556 190206 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fibs < 1384652557 735848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1384652568 709028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1384652574 950362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone explain < 1384652588 110788 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the 0:1:zipwith-way < 1384652605 592074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (+) 0 [a,b,c] < 1384652606 845697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0 + a,0 + a + b,0 + a + b + c] < 1384652639 582679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Isn't it more fun to figure it out yourself? < 1384652691 385635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kinda makes sense < 1384652698 197154 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does fix do? < 1384652722 387339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix f < 1384652723 653776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr a0) < 1384652723 810764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1384652731 781945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. < 1384652735 288112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src fix < 1384652735 445003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix f = let x = f x in x < 1384652745 978788 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah < 1384652758 515108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y combinator? < 1384652765 800743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384652787 489987 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1384652858 963074 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018] < 1384652863 784784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (expr . f) < 1384652864 855865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (... < 1384652879 438509 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384652897 57645 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rdvagxmmogqolavb JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653183 881536 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653184 521592 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384653199 313046 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653202 853719 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384653229 386011 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653277 412765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of the chimæric hellos | The most corum, clargoint chait you could ever loofefl your slance in. | Magnus!!! | Koirammekokaan ei lennä? :( | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1384653441 619480 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384653458 150650 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653458 306944 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384653504 743037 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653663 652845 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384653696 154424 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653748 969708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: FIX YOUR CONNECTION < 1384653787 14558 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384653845 812144 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653869 265982 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest59952 < 1384653870 217757 :Guest59952!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its not my connection, im fixing my .irssi < 1384653895 110027 :Guest59952!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384653941 798321 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384653956 688152 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384654193 392400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1384654201 731907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does CADD know about /reload? < 1384654457 718691 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:707b:81f0:dc04:dc8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384655048 286033 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384655242 726000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLY NOT < 1384655267 73140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza! < 1384655613 525921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: norwegian pizza? < 1384655617 192630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that's good < 1384655639 350463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1384656432 202551 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:707b:81f0:dc04:dc8 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1384656781 671209 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:707b:81f0:dc04:dc8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384657913 413300 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1384658629 881333 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a new book for the esoteric list http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0195079515/principiacyberneA/ < 1384658720 404012 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will change your life! < 1384658879 622587 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kauffman's recent work translates his biological findings to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_body_problem and issues in neuroscience < 1384658907 640925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, your second line makes me suspect you are being sarcastic. < 1384659003 980256 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard enough bullshit like that in one life time thanks < 1384659024 674006 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually read the book, it's interesting but not particularly meaningful < 1384659036 773791 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, kauffman. so he's not like, insane, just... right. < 1384659056 444020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not insane, just right, sounds like a good place to be. < 1384659105 341316 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it points out that if you make the fitness landscap complex enough, fitness doesn't really matter < 1384659131 399532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn f :: Maybe (b -> Either a b) < 1384659131 560176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1384659135 864984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1384659141 945039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Maybe (b -> Either a b) < 1384659142 101916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = Nothing < 1384659152 171124 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: like how < 1384659152 985255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you're boring. < 1384659188 54313 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that if you collect a set of more than K Boolean functions it is universal < 1384659189 277641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your question is boring. < 1384659218 769113 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by universal I mean you can construct any boolean function) < 1384659234 131131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: that's technically incorrect. < 1384659244 720791 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is pretty much the entire 2 pound book < 1384659247 572950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see my beloved Post Lattice) < 1384659305 964879 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that reminds me i should pick up some systems biology stuff. < 1384659315 334580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if it _is_ possible to have a set of infinitely many boolean functions where none can be expressed in the others. < 1384659335 658557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no. < 1384659370 131930 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kauffman wrote (January 2012) "No entailing laws, but enablement in the evolution of the biosphere," which aims to show that evolution is not law entailed, as is physics, and that, without selection, evolution enables its own future possibilities. < 1384659387 551410 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I can't tell what the hell it means < 1384659389 73903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the classes are finitely generated, and you must be able to express the generators in finitely many of them, which means you can express everything. < 1384659406 40361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however is there really an upper bound K... < 1384659413 84748 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :post lattice is cool < 1384659440 996779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically _if_ you generate everything, your set has 5 which do it. < 1384659454 903404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*5 functions < 1384659541 62910 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which 5? < 1384659591 160112 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's on arxiv. < 1384659613 668241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: for each of the 5 maximal subclasses, find a function that doesn't belong to it. < 1384659637 404871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same function can work for more than one, so it doesn't have to be the full 5. < 1384659637 994765 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: can you recommend me some systems biology books or papers? < 1384659650 725868 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384659700 158935 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.2069 yeah i don't know what the hell they're on about < 1384659700 704505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, find (1) a function which doesn't send all 0 to 0 (2) a function which doesn't sent all 1 to 1 (3) a function which isn't monotone (4) a function which isn't linear/affine (5) a function which isn't self-dual. < 1384659711 508844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*send < 1384659738 912932 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i've been recommended http://www.amazon.com/dp/1584886420/ < 1384659743 550537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will note that nand and nor don't do any of those, and so generate everything alone. < 1384659779 526114 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you, now I know more than I did this morning < 1384659798 424777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome! < 1384659832 866286 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one star review of that has some oter links, eheh < 1384659880 363535 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the university library has it, I'll take a look < 1384659958 478456 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the abstract actually makes sense to me. < 1384660049 241753 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says with physics you can predict the future at pretty well (some of the time). With biology who the hell knows < 1384660161 601254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the lattice diagram again, i cannot see any node other than the top which has 5 edges down - so it probably _is_ the case that if you have 5 functions none of which can be expressed in the others, they must generate everything. < 1384660225 195301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not at the spot quite sure if each of the 5 classes misses a function that belongs to all of the others. < 1384660285 376515 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant zero, constant one, identity, ... i guess and and or would let you build xor and negation < 1384660301 101150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it would simply be impossible to find 5 such functions. < 1384660301 295543 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I refuse to identify myself < 1384660374 444011 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss the List of Things That Don't Exist < 1384660375 112902 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1384660399 628709 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Your true love. < 1384660408 184208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: your list includes nothing non-monotone yet < 1384660410 36840 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisconsin < 1384660432 759817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you definitely cannot build xor and negation < 1384660516 426814 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... is that five functions that aren't complete < 1384660520 481674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity is assumed by default. < 1384660569 585179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's what you get if you start with a variable and don't use any functions. < 1384660593 681141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's expressible without anything. < 1384660595 994750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Like gruncheons and pritons? < 1384660611 918552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. < 1384660643 616588 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: http://www.amazon.com/review/R7DHOCB2N9PYT/ref=cm_cr_dp_title/177-0981632-5731719?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0231075650&nodeID=283155&store=books < 1384660648 788269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant zero and constant one together take care of three of the classes, however. < 1384660667 228314 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Critics of reductionism have pointed to Kurt Goedel's 1931 "incompleteness theorem" (which shows that in any axiomatic formulation of, say, number theory there will be true theorems that cannot be established) as a contrary example, but this paradigm-shattering result has been largely ignored the scientific community, which has blithely persisted in its reductive beliefs. < 1384660692 973677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://english.lem.pl/home/bookshelf/how-the-word-was-saved < 1384660694 539772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: time to misunderstand everything at once < 1384660704 722169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hm i think you _may_ have detected a flaw in my argument, anyway. < 1384660730 278148 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brute force is the method of kings, oerjan < 1384660740 251526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nolars, nightzebs, nocs, necs, nallyrakers, neotremes and nonmalrigers :'( < 1384660778 469722 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are living things alive? As a theoretical biologist, Robert Rosen saw this as the most fundamental of all questions-and yet it had never been answered satisfactorily by science. " god damn it people < 1384660808 778259 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384660813 901826 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since both the atom and the organism can be seen to fit that description, Rosen asserts that complex organization is a general feature not just of the biosphere on Earth-but of the universe itself." < 1384660827 440697 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:707b:81f0:dc04:dc8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384660878 863091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of his results is to show precisely why physics (including molecular biology) has little to say about life (and non-life)." < 1384660916 903230 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously jesus fucking christ unpredictability doesn't mean indeterminism < 1384660927 348399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you reading this Bike < 1384660954 68396 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i guess i'm an evil reductionist somehow < 1384660960 928664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hm i think my argument that (5 independent functions => generate everything) holds < 1384660966 684289 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I like to torture him :D < 1384661057 357753 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He concluded, based on examples such as this, that phenotype cannot always be directly attributed to genotype and that the chemically active aspect of a biologically active protein relies on more than the sequence of amino acids,," and he's doing the "REVOLUTION: THING NOBODY ACTUALLY BELIEVES IS WRONG" thing that is so, so fucking irritating < 1384661073 747563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he(*)'s a sucker ((*) everyone) < 1384661074 222333 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really failing to convince me that there is anything to systems biology < 1384661088 170865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not just this guy < 1384661105 43207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Certain questions about Rosen's mathematical arguments were raised in a paper authored by Christopher Landauer and Kirstie L. Bellman which claimed that some of the mathematical formulations used by Rosen are problematic from a logical viewpoint. It is perhaps worth noting, however, that such issues were also raised long time ago by Bertrand Russel and Alfred North Whitehead" lol < 1384661115 128120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reductionism is a useful tool, but not always!!! < 1384661132 691345 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. Rosen was one of those unfortunate scientists who worked on problems, that to the rest of his community were non-existent. < 1384661141 949360 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pst i'm not really a sole reductionist < 1384661164 600655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"REVOLUTION: THING NOBODY ACTUALLY BELIEVES IS WRONG" <-- you could make that into an onion headline < 1384661264 856769 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384661280 789848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it just needs an "IN SCIENCE" after the REVOLUTION < 1384661317 375767 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384661368 552757 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly think of systems biology as being like this one mostly informal book i read tbh < 1384661381 790990 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was about cells-as-computers, which is the opposite of this rosen guy so fuck 'im < 1384661406 278269 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he goes on and shows how the recursion in a function can be seen as constraints between (differential) equations, which he calls "chronicles". < 1384661497 537415 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok bike what did you read? < 1384661548 615406 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/dp/0300167849 < 1384661551 827822 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if it 'counts' < 1384661554 27414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think maybe you _cannot_ have 5 boolean functions that cannot be written in terms of each other. < 1384661590 21106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if one is self-dual and sends all 0 to 0, it will automatically send all 1 to 1. < 1384661591 369621 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes over gene regulatory networks and protein stoichiometry equations and shit < 1384661598 78943 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non-scientists < 1384661691 558632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cannot get a function that is in not in P_1 and yet in all the others. which means whatever function avoids P_1, avoids one of the others, and so you need at most 4 of them to avoid all the maximal classes. < 1384661714 765885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile bike's example shows that you _can_ have 4, so this is optimal. < 1384661735 960758 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as i planned < 1384661748 522820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats < 1384661844 921234 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1384662236 839213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this paper, the Pentagon once asked if nuclear bombs can be made to explode in the past. < 1384662256 395712 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sound right < 1384662299 177779 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly my favorite 'systems' stuff is in ethology though. it's not really 'systems biology' but like lorentz had this adorable machine model made of waterwheels < 1384662629 565223 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he actually built it at one point iirc < 1384662717 169421 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :konrad lorenz? < 1384662743 905700 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1384662803 839551 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or edward lorenz < 1384662850 462057 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said ethology, didn't i < 1384662891 44361 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ace.gatech.edu/experiments2/2413/lorenz/fall02/ < 1384662908 338746 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this lorenz has waterwheels and everything < 1384662965 626674 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks cool, actually. < 1384662982 219493 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a double pendulum set up in one of the physics buildings, it's fun to fuc with < 1384663648 218884 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it that interesting things are also interesting to crackpots? < 1384663721 600723 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384663952 394796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose because it is interesting in general. < 1384664034 626810 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI is interesting but the AI channel here is a wasteland < 1384664212 396825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ais like to keep it that way >_> <_< < 1384664825 913328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what we're calling him now? < 1384664988 53937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1384664993 609871 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1384665016 236374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, we have no evidence that he is plural yet < 1384665456 101461 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Sgeo < 1384665458 74983 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex. < 1384665570 178883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd of March of what year? In what timezone? < 1384665592 133333 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the year 0/0 < 1384665616 442279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have always assumed it's every year. < 1384665630 793585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably british standard time. < 1384665632 175995 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever timezone ais is in, probably < 1384665656 522478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably the same as UTC that time of year < 1384665693 773374 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what is metaplace sex? < 1384665760 946201 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two people repeatedly fainting without clothes < 1384665813 48690 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1384665870 10773 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I implemented a 'sex' option in Metaplace: Caused the participants to loop the "fainting" animation < 1384665896 699783 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i know metaplace? < 1384665913 727440 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it Yet Another Second Lifey Thing < 1384665931 452584 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaplace < 1384665940 190642 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, in 2d, Flash-based < 1384665941 24323 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as there is no ncurses ui, i am not interested < 1384665954 627431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's dead now < 1384665967 453061 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It died less than a month after I invented metaplace sex < 1384665972 849085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise surprise < 1384665978 184835 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384666213 15035 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to have something like snow crashs metaverse with a terminal interfacee < 1384666467 932621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so the part about Sgeo inventing metaplace sex is _true_? < 1384666491 318936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1384666492 458954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what did ais523 invent, then? < 1384666507 682086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it doesn't say. < 1384666540 1762 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He invented the ability to learn multiple esolangs at once. Isn't there that news article about him knowing 25 languages? < 1384666554 807598 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "knowing" < 1384666559 688658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK add that in, then. < 1384666571 747616 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be that hard < 1384666585 503167 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just learn any bf derivate and you are way ahead < 1384666589 134579 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one said it was an accurate news article < 1384666594 962344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, misread you < 1384666649 805217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/sex/sex, thus killing it within a month/' wisdom/sgeo < 1384666654 147966 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1384666688 195952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the part about killing it within a month isn't true, it's correlation-therefore-causation fallacy < 1384666707 373718 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It died within a month, but I didn't cause it < 1384666708 432579 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1384666719 341526 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can you prove that? < 1384666760 599063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the entry was breaking #esoteric tradition with its accuracy. < 1384666783 628334 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1384666841 819914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we prefer to believe. < 1384666867 627262 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote what sex looks like < 1384666869 189665 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :313) sgeo do you actually know what sex looks like i am just checking here I think so < 1384666938 995438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is Sgeo, too. So I suppose it is related, then. < 1384666959 814395 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, elliott said that in response to me talking about metaplace sex < 1384667112 160762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, did you make a language about virtual sex? < 1384667179 780843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex can look like a lot of things < 1384667183 122096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of them < 1384667187 956990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the only mention of "sex" on the wiki is Taneb's userpage. < 1384667197 298189 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1384667209 38032 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make a page only with the word sex in it < 1384667261 405901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you make the awesomest palindromes, you don't need sex and you don't need sleep. you are a fucking superhuman :| < 1384667264 934858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh and you can transform into an elf < 1384667267 403099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :User:Oklopol (note: only one of these is true) < 1384667291 101232 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That palindrome sucked. < 1384667297 280007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the "you don't need sex" is the true one. < 1384667314 223504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot tell whether oklopol believes it's the palindrome part, though. < 1384667316 641150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably that is correct. < 1384667327 337784 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a great german palindrome i heard recently < 1384667331 868664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb has stated being asexual. < 1384667379 117831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh maybe he's just on his way to the big breakdown. < 1384667424 791484 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1384667526 637638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"York student has psychic breakdown and starts fucking everything that moves, and some things that don't." you heard the headline here first. < 1384667538 285513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait this is britain. < 1384667548 304947 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychic breakdown? like carrie? < 1384667550 898314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"York student has psychic breakdown, starts fucking everything that moves, some things that don't." you heard the headline here first. < 1384667578 355650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait what is the correct phrase. < 1384667582 846619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nervous < 1384667604 12123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"York student has nervous breakdown, starts fucking everything that moves, some things that don't." you heard the headline here first. < 1384667613 345010 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P6h3xdZ34rE/ULVLrUmc3eI/AAAAAAAAZo0/JA2D-oN8Zjg/w506-h788/carrie_sriracha.jpg < 1384667618 567911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Did this person just go through my old stackoverflow answer and add Unicode quotes everywhere? < 1384667631 467695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/posts/13538351/revisions < 1384667639 942432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: XD < 1384667659 839805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I can tell you what I invented at least; I invented matrix accounting (while sitting in an accounting class in school, having nothing else to do, trying to think of how to use complex numbers in accounting in a way that doesn't violate GAAPs; I concluded that this is impossible). Yes, you can make up lies about it if you want, I suppose. < 1384667717 964361 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be one of only a handful of people who know how to do a certain thing with Varnish < 1384667725 569680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*And* he moved punctuation inside quotes? < 1384667727 804828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too much. < 1384667729 636689 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i like how it states "typo" < 1384667732 776604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What certain thing with Varnish? < 1384667753 231544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well, apparently «`s -> (a,s)» was missing a `. < 1384667764 715742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passing data computed in the VCL to ESI subrequests < 1384668012 224855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is – in "world-passing" even plausibly correct? < 1384668042 527855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1384668064 772064 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My intuition says no, but you probably shouldn’t trust it. < 1384668101 55417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's correct, but I don't like it. < 1384668125 59766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll roll this back and add the missing ` myself. < 1384668198 686571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with error-prone, i guess. < 1384668319 110502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode -- — < 1384668320 886893 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+2014 EM DASH] < 1384668339 835356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing -- to mdash is an improvement in my mind, though. < 1384668362 730644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it. < 1384668375 726361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write - -. I wrote --. < 1384668388 511015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't like _anything_, shachaf. < 1384668396 959384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it the way it was! < 1384668404 374180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1384668418 867187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the one thing that's definitely better in my mind, though. < 1384668448 85634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm neutral on the quote marks. < 1384668449 721066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think correct usage of "—" dictates that you don't put spaces around it. < 1384668451 799084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is even worse. < 1384668492 124089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah wikipedia says you should use no spaces around mdash but spaces around ndash < 1384668628 217565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's actually changing semantic meaning too! < 1384668685 46736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't notice that.
< 1384668705 631173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and also quite error-prone (if we accidentally try to read too far into stdin, the program will just block until the user types more in)." < 1384668708 633310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :into < 1384668711 146028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and also quite error-prone. (If we accidentally try to read too far into stdin, the program will just block until the user types more in.)" < 1384668721 439228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some sort of semantics, anyway. < 1384668759 255696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small detail, like all the rest. < 1384668807 199099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Is he using an en-dash in "as–is"? < 1384668881 749104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i'm not actually stopping you from rolling back. < 1384669230 408490 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384671035 587977 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384671741 302876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes that hangman must be hell to play in vietnamese.
< 1384671806 758377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _ _ (1 incorrect: ở) < 1384672163 827646 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1384672165 363240 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or korean :) < 1384672222 841659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is korean that bad if you use "letters" instead of "characters"? < 1384672242 299462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess you'd have the problem of where to place the _'s < 1384672257 922930 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we use only the initial letters (jamos, to be exact) in hangman-like quizzes... < 1384672269 351005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Where were you yesterday when we needed your help with foo-spaces? < 1384672274 265062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1384672278 893613 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1384672306 898041 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it therefore feels like a hangman but without vowels < 1384672342 705946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: hm and that would be hebrew or arabic < 1384672376 964277 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1384672436 108719 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384672452 334510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if indic languages do the same thing as korean, since vowels are like "accents" there
< 1384672544 353366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of a few possible ways to make up a variant of hangman game for languages having much more letters of alphabet, whether it is due to accents, or other purposes. < 1384672598 159986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first page of google hits for hangman game "hindi" makes me suspect they only use it as an english learning tool < 1384672648 847315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i might need to know the hindi words to search for the real thing. < 1384672651 771312 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384673747 142397 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384673757 1539 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384674093 782763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1384675104 769238 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384675555 422632 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384675572 286898 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384675798 176960 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dead 'since vowels are like "accidents" there', and read quite a bit of history in case something would explain what on earth you mean. < 1384675804 997526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i dead. < 1384676280 400789 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need some suggestions for weird instructions < 1384676284 591131 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I don't need them < 1384676291 251554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm always looking for other ideas :) < 1384676392 250708 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer#Instruction_set definitely CCS < 1384676526 653834 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how about 'execute instruction in register' < 1384676603 639010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Neat < 1384676606 445938 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work < 1384676617 208371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I have 16bit Registers and the longest instruction is two bytes < 1384676678 45758 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something really silly, like have a register for how much the instruction pointer moves each cycle < 1384676681 757394 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute code backwards < 1384676737 721908 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384676766 226452 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for debugging! or reliving the days of barrel memory < 1384677473 154927 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384677579 812270 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384677628 880949 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1384677641 336122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to add Rational Number Support < 1384677653 942679 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if you're going for "weird instructions" as in crazy dumb shit or what though < 1384677669 335042 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals in hardware? < 1384677709 76124 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1384677723 447765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8bit Quotient, 8bit Denominator < 1384677744 975247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not really "crazy dumb shit" < 1384677751 239063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "crazy but still useful shit" < 1384677754 184943 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn but i like the barrel thing :( < 1384677794 55641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess rationals aren't too hard though, mostly you need gcd right < 1384677794 212231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I don't have barrel memory reversing the control flow < 1384677797 903812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be crazy dumb shit < 1384677800 610761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in a barrel once for a play < 1384677806 658890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was good < 1384677900 7219 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it depends on what the processor's for. i mean presumably the vax had that evalpoly thing for a reason. < 1384677929 71754 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly just because horn evaluation is super easy but w/e. < 1384678098 984211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that thingy called in english < 1384678106 608049 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you do 4/8 = 1/2? < 1384678125 386873 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reducing a fraction to lowest terms" < 1384678137 315043 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384678140 709818 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1384678143 739713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDC then :) < 1384678143 896433 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just "reduction" i guess. < 1384678146 133008 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384678148 766404 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good to me! < 1384678162 740771 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :One has to do that manually < 1384678181 548201 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's probably slow if the CPU does it automatically all the time < 1384678253 65005 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh, dont' think i've ever cared about speed when i was using rationals, really. dunno how good the algorithms are. < 1384678264 213183 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus like, when i use rationals i usually want infinite precision... < 1384678269 538614 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although with 8bit/8bit I don't have a sign flag < 1384678279 872260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1384678290 122996 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm really wondering the use case here i guess? < 1384678292 120194 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I treat both 8bit values as signed 8 bit < 1384678360 524836 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: To allow < 1 pixel calculations < 1384678370 321297 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e if you wan't to move 1/10 of a pixel per frame < 1384678373 948107 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e.g. < 1384678384 124032 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1384678384 378078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, don't you usually use fixedpoint for that < 1384678389 824735 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also do that with integers < 1384678464 564738 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a processor for some weird game console I guess) < 1384678508 575305 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384678520 117618 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly wonders how that one snes coprocessor on... starfox? worked < 1384678552 571576 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Super FX? < 1384678569 247649 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. let it 3d render. < 1384678774 338555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1384678789 596781 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1384678809 87862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangul is the best < 1384678857 42196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an ul < 1384678871 360158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a many-appendaged creature for the korean version of hangman < 1384678885 829068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain things. < 1384678908 287333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see one of the many benefits of hangul is that you can't mis-parse a word into syllables like that < 1384678930 976675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i know, hangul is p. good < 1384678938 523122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad u agree < 1384678980 96939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang̈ul < 1384681034 239708 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384681760 692640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384682067 311783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hi did you know the esolang wiki's sole mention of the word "sex" is on your user page hth < 1384682123 768724 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1384682131 870545 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not < 1384682254 686791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also didn't know that < 1384682280 25687 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost ironic < 1384682284 878773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly time for the "Sex" language, eh? (It's a brainfuck derivative with lewd words replacing the instructions.) < 1384682292 388407 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that way that makes people think it's ironic but really not at all < 1384682293 81825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no < 1384682303 527496 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there's already at least one language that is almost exactly thaty < 1384682323 302691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Ook! ) < 1384682343 919341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuckfuck < 1384682371 28513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, 'sex' was too short for that one. < 1384682388 115604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ø.: V. good. < 1384682390 911219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it. < 1384682533 962872 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384682903 951608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Ook] represents the first, although unfortunately not the last, in a long line of trivial Brainfuck command substitutions." Amen. ("Look, I came up with 8 tokens and now I'm the creator of an esolang!") < 1384682983 649162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whitespace deserves a honorable mention though) < 1384683000 140702 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate brainfuck derivatives with an exact 1:1 mapping to brainfuck < 1384683113 607534 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i thought of a whitespace derivate with zero width non-breaking space and zero width space < 1384683406 268464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one could play with control characters like U+202A (left-to-right) and U+202B, too. < 1384683419 310452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there matrices with only integers whose inverses also consist solely of integers? < 1384683424 205830 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the identity matrix < 1384683424 719915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's sort of boring. < 1384683434 857863 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384683460 469242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: of course. A big class is all the triangular matrices with 1 on the diagonal. < 1384683470 837059 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, the only interesting part is you had to use a hex editor to write < 1384683498 351353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ordinary brainfuck + some trivial sed, awk or perl. < 1384683499 993356 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384683500 697897 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inverse of 2x2 has a factor of (1/(ad-bc)) < 1384683516 738938 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess a,b,c and d must all be multiples of (ad - bc) < 1384683531 388096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad-bc = 1 is not that hard to satisfy < 1384683547 442387 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. That should be easy < 1384683627 260959 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1384683642 494464 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a singular matrix? < 1384683666 970350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can start with the identity matrix and then swap rows, columns, or add a multiple of a row or column to another row and column; finally you may negate rows and columns. < 1384683677 900978 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Singular matrix, a matrix that is not invertible" < 1384683678 462698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384683688 135985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not every Matrix with ad-bc=1 is invertible < 1384683738 118428 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1384683744 594054 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally did ad-bc = 0 < 1384683754 94856 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly the criteria for it not being invertible < 1384683756 341140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384683814 170071 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384683932 485911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the sake of completeness: ad-bc = -1 is also allowed < 1384684306 61195 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1384684421 388144 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1384684509 667571 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384684584 826418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (whitespace deserves a honorable mention though) <-- whitespace is not brainfuck-based. < 1384684742 627511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: ad - bc is also known as the determinant of the matrix. < 1384684772 760024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, integer matrices with det M = +-1 have integer inverses. < 1384684967 980589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's if and only if, actually, because the inverse as determinant 1/det M which must be an integer for M^-1 to have integer entries. < 1384684973 494095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1384685025 173620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oops. thanks! < 1384685097 992476 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1384685112 316169 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only integer matrices with M = +=1 have integer inverses. < 1384685122 957559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*det M < 1384685136 776717 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's at least what my math tells me < 1384685148 206490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i am saying! < 1384685148 514916 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a|(ad-bc) ^ b|(ad-bc) ... < 1384685158 716764 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :adbc|(ad-bc) < 1384685165 294959 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1384685173 205442 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which yields to 1 = x/(bc - ad) < 1384685199 638820 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384685201 530885 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1384685207 191207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't read your 11:42 < 1384685464 352774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjugate_matrix#Inverses < 1384685524 929089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From this formula follows one of the most important results in matrix algebra: A matrix A over a commutative ring R is invertible if and only if det(A) is invertible in R." < 1384685552 638615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: your notation is off though; (ad-bc) | a. (The symbol | can be read as "divides"). < 1384685557 739649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that +-1 are the invertible elements in the ring Z of integers. < 1384685880 835754 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384686424 846956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384686758 328179 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.219.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384687493 317461 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384687567 292856 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know nothing about math notation :) < 1384687578 903334 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost nothing. < 1384687660 192569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily converting between binary and hexadecimal is still considered by my university to be a very difficult task for students < 1384687689 32956 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my lack of math skills does not matter < 1384687855 629843 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you guys know the C167? < 1384688116 635807 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... to make a point short: it's apparentely hard to read specs and find out how to figure out the physical address of stuff < 1384688162 363527 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384688717 869030 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384688944 317480 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384689651 5472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From this formula follows one of the most important results in matrix algebra: A matrix A over a commutative ring R is invertible if and only if det(A) is invertible in R." from that formula, the "if" certainly follows, for the other direction i guess you need to extend to commutative ring to a field or something? < 1384689692 517729 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then because there's an inverse if it's nonzero and inverses are unique, the only if follows < 1384689727 151298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if the determinant is < 1384689728 916748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if A is invertible in R, then det(A) and det(A^-1) are both in R, and their product is one, so the determinant is invertible in R. < 1384689741 345108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in R/over R/g < 1384689777 878569 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering why it follows from that formula < 1384689797 291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but err < 1384689816 871243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :det(A)*det(A^-1) = det(A*A^-1) = det(I) = 1 is an instance of that formula < 1384689818 479204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you said i guess, take the determinant from both sides < 1384689842 803739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh err < 1384689850 135295 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's explained right after < 1384689858 953041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :) < 1384689899 177338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" det(A)*det(A^-1) = det(A*A^-1) = det(I) = 1 is an instance of that formula" how is it an instance of that formula? < 1384689920 176725 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i'm not sure this question is very useful) < 1384689974 303796 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the formula was "A adj(A) = det(A) I" < 1384690054 107719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that indeed it should follow from that formula that A has an inverse in an extension of the ring where there is an inverse for det(A) < 1384690112 211894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and err... okay dunno. maybe i should forget about this. < 1384690297 592509 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ikea donated more to the Philippines recovery effort than China < 1384690335 694057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1384690363 11496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Ikea is the larger country ... < 1384690575 535359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think you're right, it's not *that* formula; at least every argument that I see for invertibility of A implying that det(A) is a unit uses det(AB) = det(A) det(B), and we've seen that this identity is all one needs. < 1384690602 345444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384691040 760752 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps after seeing that there is little incentive to try much else, because that's sort of obvious < 1384691077 314196 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't think it's quite trivial to prove det(AB) = det(A) det(B) (maybe because i've never tried to prove it myself and it's quite an index hassle in most proofs i've seen) < 1384691126 376289 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384691231 480756 :S1!5841b060@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.65.176.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384691240 447369 :S1!5841b060@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.65.176.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the opposite of bootstrapping < 1384691279 97418 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A safe shut down? < 1384691329 712921 :S1!5841b060@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.65.176.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I mean in terms of programming paradigms and stuff < 1384691373 643822 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, bootstrapping here means building a program in small components, right? < 1384691440 614381 :S1!5841b060@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.65.176.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand it as bringing things up to more abstract layers. as in from machine code via assembler to script languages to modern programming languages < 1384691493 321896 :S1!5841b060@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.65.176.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping#Software_development < 1384691501 797979 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really has an opposite, then, only an absence < 1384691510 282165 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be writing an agda compiler in machine code, I guess < 1384691534 439846 :S1!5841b060@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.65.176.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1384691743 461733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : although i don't think it's quite trivial to prove det(AB) = det(A) det(B) (maybe because i've never tried to prove it myself and it's quite an index hassle in most proofs i've seen) < 1384691756 463194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if either A or B is singular then so is AB < 1384691773 265232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares what the determinant is if it isn't 0 < 1384691809 939030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you prove the determinant of AB is 0 iff that of A or that of B is? < 1384691865 282352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean by "singular" < 1384691893 310608 :S1!5841b060@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.65.176.96 PART :#esoteric < 1384691902 336914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'has determinant 0' < 1384691924 43219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you prove that if the determinant of A is not 0 and that of B is not 0 then also the determinant of AB is not zero < 1384691943 331914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does that help with showing what we were trying to show anyway? < 1384691955 61770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if A and B are bijective then so is their composition? < 1384691968 534406 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i have a hunch you have no idea what we're talking about < 1384692023 709206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are trying to show that the invertibility of the determinant of A has something to do with the invertilibity of A < 1384692040 716220 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :determinant not being 0 is _not_ what characterizes invertilibity of A < 1384692074 390200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it... is, isn't it < 1384692097 743269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A matrix A over a commutative ring R is invertible if and only if det(A) is invertible in R." < 1384692105 541018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what we're talking about < 1384692113 957324 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fields < 1384692118 221088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhh < 1384692136 936153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes i joined well after any of that was said < 1384692145 185324 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCUSESSSSS < 1384692225 701160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :should you not call that something other than matrix then < 1384692235 232864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they call vector spaces over a ring modules don't they < 1384692261 79496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1384692311 419035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: To calculate det(A*B) one can use column operations on A (which are column operations on AB) and row operations on B to transform both A and B into upper triangular matrices, with the determinant unchanged or multiplied by -1 (from swapping rows or columns). This works over fields, e.g. Q. So now we have det(AB) = det(A)*det(B) over the rationals. We may regard the entries of A and B as variables, whence det(AB) =... < 1384692317 346581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...det(A)*det(B) becomes an identity of two polynomials of degree n in 2n^2 variables. The identity holds over the rational numbers, which means that the polynomials must be identical. They also have integer coefficients. Therefore, the identity carries over to arbitrary commutative rings. < 1384692323 383361 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you say "matrix A over a commutative ring R" i guess, but then matrix after you've said it a few times. < 1384692379 492026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: one still needs to show that row and column operations preserve the identity, but that's *far* less messy than doing the full calculation for det(A*B). < 1384692391 470511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think about that for a sec < 1384692503 578979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i guess that works < 1384692526 315191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have only read proofs in the case of R and C anyway < 1384692529 734370 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R as in reals < 1384692540 74846 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C as in complicated numbers < 1384692573 324177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine row and column operations work pretty easily just from the permutations and signs and stuff definition < 1384692602 883832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like the idea of using polynomial rings for transferring results from Q to commutative rings. < 1384692621 803265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384692707 870463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably not something i would come up with using in a proof, or at least i would then be like "does it really work like this daddy?" < 1384692722 197981 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg play tennis < 1384693941 501656 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384694826 915585 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384695150 65230 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384695622 489927 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to get a strike-through to render on text-based browsers, especially links2 < 1384695846 879196 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384695881 323053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why won't lex accept my #include o_O < 1384695920 933589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i assume it's like italics < 1384696047 234810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: is it in the wrong part of the file? lex files are divided into sections, it'd need to be in the section appropriate to C includ files < 1384696307 705438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1384696313 583615 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :strdup is not actually in string.h < 1384696330 189623 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no strdup in C < 1384696382 852751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1384696390 103322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of trivial to write, though < 1384696433 958007 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :strdup is gnu99 < 1384696436 577223 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not c99 < 1384696438 207802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1384696455 570284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that < 1384696463 298908 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda surprising < 1384697400 518979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1384698395 953620 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1384698480 500493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1384699124 279100 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384699349 860286 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384699774 969472 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384699878 540363 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384700038 458047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are very few (if any) standard C library routines that'd return allocated memory, except for malloc/calloc/aligned_alloc themselves. < 1384700094 585155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And strdup-except-without-allocating-storage is basically strcpy. < 1384700245 613611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an allocating sprintf would be nice... I think GNU or BSD has that < 1384700333 420678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, asprintf. < 1384700358 642028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both GNU and BSD, I believe. < 1384700454 308222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU also has the 'a' flag for *scanf conversion specifiers, so that e.g. %as allocates a buffer of sufficient size, and returns a pointer to that. < 1384700488 778400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And getline, of course.) < 1384700845 328556 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1384702123 301051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, strdup is posix at least < 1384702527 134734 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384702799 698152 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoa. i never knew about those < 1384702959 682538 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384706503 614534 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have enough space for 15 Instructions... < 1384706509 851926 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm running out of ideas. < 1384706593 180250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1384706600 252809 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate generalized hypergeometric < 1384706606 886882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :distribution? < 1384706646 228209 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1384706653 128251 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Count Bits" < 1384706657 962100 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That oughta be usefull < 1384706666 558779 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like count one bits? < 1384706686 961198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1384706691 755781 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 -> 2 < 1384706699 519356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's always nice to have < 1384706721 955455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about findfirstset while you're at it < 1384706746 927412 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :index of the first set bit? < 1384706753 224652 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhm < 1384706757 228629 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSB < 1384706762 152988 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1384706768 150024 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a touch of russian < 1384706778 601194 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not opposed to it < 1384706784 264039 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where would one need that? < 1384706850 466743 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's floor of log < 1384706871 631327 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384706889 796721 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384706969 540784 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the linux kernel's scheduler uses it to implement a priority queue as a bitfield < 1384706992 977417 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384707005 818175 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then bsr and bsl it ist < 1384707011 473211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(starting from right, starting from left) < 1384707225 702309 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1592232 < 1384707257 635358 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I currently have no matrix or vector instructions < 1384707278 701243 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no floats < 1384707280 745761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :floats are bad < 1384707337 559086 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of instructions would you have just for vectors? if not just do X in parallel i mean < 1384707372 22557 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet < 1384707378 313936 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. that paper seems to be paywalled < 1384707394 853855 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, is that so. < 1384707443 796740 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Purchase article: $19" damn bloodsuckers < 1384707479 760071 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a copy if you want it. < 1384707538 966059 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to have a look at it < 1384707542 619765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's too illegal < 1384707545 713839 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I rather don't. < 1384707557 843505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think intel will survive one copied paper. < 1384707570 219895 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try dcc < 1384707650 23999 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam. < 1384707656 134713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1384707658 951572 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled it < 1384707661 906799 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha k < 1384707667 790777 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :inurl:*.pdf < 1384707668 726439 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1384708252 257021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT : < 1384708576 794507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1384708584 421517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, I have three register sets < 1384708589 669971 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with each 4 Registers < 1384708598 275963 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that would easily allow 2x2 matrices < 1384708613 138957 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 2x2 is probably not really helpful for 2D Graphics? < 1384708624 215957 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1384708632 343412 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 2D transformation matrices I know are 3x3 < 1384708707 64169 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1384708824 256483 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384708869 80103 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with such small matrices would you even get any advantage from a dedicated instruction rather than multiplies and adds, though < 1384708873 150963 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384708915 739081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can multiple a point with a 2x2 matrix to rotate it, if you count that as "helpful for 2D graphics". (Maybe not.) < 1384708916 676715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : all 2D transformation matrices I know are 3x3 < 1384708950 424506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you represent all euclidean motions of an n-dimensional space with an n+1xn+1 matrix < 1384709029 990276 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need 4x4 for 3d rotation (quatranons) < 1384709035 53724 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So? < 1384709038 635512 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly the point < 1384709044 820091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the extra dimension to let you do translations (which aren't linear) < 1384709044 977213 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D transformations require 3x3? < 1384709052 828629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah < 1384709053 907484 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nb i don't know shit about grafix < 1384709067 53803 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same as vector geometry < 1384709068 640864 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1384709071 801159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it works because projective geometry) < 1384709079 484125 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of points you move pixels < 1384709082 153777 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know projective geometry :( < 1384709113 201987 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with 2x2 you can do any linear transform, i guess < 1384709121 460914 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not sure i see the computer-side point < 1384709198 686216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean matrix×vector is gonna be four mults an two adds no matter what, right. < 1384709239 298259 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can do translations with 2x2 matrices < 1384709286 359393 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't. translations aren't linear. < 1384709307 165995 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1384709419 749676 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freivalds%27_algorithm wow this is the easiest algorithm ever < 1384709819 853633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1384709822 244065 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's [-] < 1384709872 198390 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384710025 528999 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust [-] < 1384710025 906274 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1384710031 563044 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop [-] < 1384710041 427742 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__loop: 10.5 < 1384710046 596517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1384710049 422313 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two digit score . < 1384710089 777024 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop [-]<[+][>--[>+]] < 1384710092 557587 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__loop: 9.1 < 1384710138 137006 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop [-][>->-<<] < 1384710140 816939 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__loop: 10.4 < 1384710143 353244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1384710161 460431 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop - < 1384710165 500414 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__loop: 6.8 < 1384710281 992153 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ++[[]+][>+][-] < 1384710282 336906 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1384710293 450195 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384710293 846650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust saladdressing ++[[]+][>+][-] < 1384710297 821812 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__saladdressing: 6.4 < 1384710395 329892 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: [[]+] is the suckiest triplock ever :) < 1384710407 543132 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suckiest_triplock_ever [[]+] < 1384710411 409312 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_unfoog_suckiest_triplock_ever: 6.4 < 1384710450 70063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it'd loop until it drops to zero < 1384710451 542405 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment it < 1384710454 266132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then wait again < 1384710473 569058 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should've prevented my from being killed < 1384710493 381699 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust saladdressing [[]+++] < 1384710497 280140 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__saladdressing: 6.4 < 1384710499 456148 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1384710527 700508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] takes a cycle to detect the zero, and then it's been there for two cycles and you lost. < 1384710554 398606 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it does do that, but it's a cycle too slow to avoid losing < 1384710577 607385 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is intentional in the rules, that sort of program would be unbeatable if it actually worked < 1384710586 10295 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not 100% unbeatable < 1384710587 781211 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty close < 1384710635 253044 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust saladdressing >+++>+++>+++[]<+++[]<+++[] < 1384710639 222449 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__saladdressing: 1.4 < 1384710642 593714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1384710645 406153 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can go suckier < 1384710758 368733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384710764 728955 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>-)*9([-])*21 < 1384710768 623652 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 0.2 < 1384710771 96929 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoho < 1384710784 469821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>-)*9([-]>)*21 < 1384710788 558401 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 5.0 < 1384710816 929809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can that be worse than [-] < 1384710853 909684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>->+)*4([-]>)*21 < 1384710856 745280 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 6.2 < 1384710868 304422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ten (>+)*9([[-.]]>)*21 < 1384710870 869160 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_ten: 11.8 < 1384710877 27127 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>->+)*4([-]>[+]>)*11 < 1384710879 981122 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 8.2 < 1384710889 852298 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ten (>+)*9([[-]]>)*21 < 1384710890 869969 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's .? < 1384710892 424132 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_ten: 6.1 < 1384710894 336401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1384710903 109675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a cycle :) < 1384710917 977411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ten (>+)*9([-.]>)*21 < 1384710920 562265 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_ten: 11.3 < 1384711120 439198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] defeats [+] almost all the time, and [-] half the cases, I think. < 1384711184 138751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384711214 447012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's still interesting) < 1384711215 456132 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but it loses to . < 1384711231 28923 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's what I call a "probabilistic lock", I need to add it to the wiki < 1384711284 410580 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :against [+] it forms a perfect lock 100% of the time; against [-] it forms a perfect lock 50% of the time, a detectable lock 25% of the time, and loses 25% of the time < 1384711336 444626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"detectable" meaning that [-][.this.code.runs.]? < 1384711372 511416 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah < 1384711380 607903 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>--)*4>([-]..+>])*21 < 1384711383 664343 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 0.0 < 1384711387 62172 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384711392 449035 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: unbalanced [] < 1384711394 974979 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>--)*4>([-]..+>)*21 < 1384711397 667352 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 6.3 < 1384711400 506164 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1384711402 821696 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>--)*4>([-].+>)*21 < 1384711405 561655 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 6.3 < 1384711415 914747 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you don't need that . after the [-] < 1384711421 505411 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the - sets it to 0, that's one < 1384711427 194445 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>--)*4>([-]->)*21 < 1384711427 354539 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ] checks it's 0, that's two < 1384711430 222300 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 7.9 < 1384711456 413849 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>--)*4>([-]->)*22 < 1384711459 222263 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 7.9 < 1384711461 379900 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>--)*4>([-]->)*23 < 1384711464 121812 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 7.9 < 1384711468 117289 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384711469 62345 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1384711472 139598 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 cells at max < 1384711472 792877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1384711483 679452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 should get me to cell 30 < 1384711529 102839 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>-->+>-)*2>([-]->)*22 < 1384711531 973090 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 9.5 < 1384711564 425146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust one >+[]<[-] < 1384711568 199506 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_one: 6.2 < 1384711622 822784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust one >+[]<.[-] < 1384711626 481954 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_one: 5.7 < 1384711650 347523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>-->+>-)*2>([-][<]+[>]>)*22 < 1384711653 138740 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 1.7 < 1384711665 587357 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[<] finds a non-zero cell, right? < 1384711666 5841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. need two more? < 1384711683 123102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no. it finds a zero cell, skipping over non-zeros < 1384711695 8843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust one >+[]<..[-] < 1384711698 496331 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_one: 6.8 < 1384711702 235537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust one >+[]<...[-] < 1384711705 766616 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_one: 7.9 < 1384711710 913755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny. < 1384711727 698386 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>-->+>-)*2>([-][<]+[>]>)*220 < 1384711730 651330 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 1.7 < 1384711747 276441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zero .[-] < 1384711751 28146 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_zero: 9.8 < 1384711752 314837 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>-->+>-)*2>([-]<[<]+[>]>>)*220 < 1384711755 105532 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 3.5 < 1384711759 302548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>-->+>-)*2>([-]<[<]+[>]>>)*22 < 1384711762 167132 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 3.5 < 1384711769 489754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. wait < 1384711791 163289 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>-->+>-)*2>([-]<[<]+[>]>)*22 < 1384711793 892043 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 8.6 < 1384711840 895561 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad (>>-->+>-)*2>([-]<[<]-[>]>)*22 < 1384711843 607200 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 8.0 < 1384711852 406478 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad >(>>-->+>-)*2>([-]<[<]-[>]>)*21 < 1384711855 258440 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 5.2 < 1384711957 725767 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pancake ->>>-->>+++>*10([-]>)*0 < 1384711961 489024 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FireFly_pancake: 0.8 < 1384712035 75706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DJaG MATLAAAAAB < 1384712035 269669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad >>->+([>]->[-])*30 < 1384712038 184774 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 5.3 < 1384712087 425492 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1384712092 666089 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.[-] is suicide? < 1384712103 533753 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that give you more points than my non suicid ones :( < 1384712287 396035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to guess it's because .[-] can get a tie or even win against a fast attacker < 1384712330 973515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the other ones have a severe chance of going out of bounds < 1384712337 258181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently an X server is required for "matlabpool local" to operate correctly. Possibly because (from what I recall) the JVM thing is somehow tied to the "desktop" system. < 1384712472 934123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "matlabpool local" supposed to do? < 1384712498 476541 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zero (-)*128[-] < 1384712501 148284 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_zero: 10.5 < 1384712549 384881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zeroer (-)*-1 < 1384712554 131317 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_zeroer: 11.5 < 1384712770 45100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's related to the MATLAB Distributed Computing Server, which is a system for parallelizing MATLAB code. It has a concept of a "pool" where the workers come from; "matlabpool open local 4" tells it to make up a pool that just involves running up to 4 workers on the local machine. (Other pools may distribute the work into nodes in a cluster, and so on.) < 1384713487 539264 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad >+++>(>(+)*4[<---]+++)*1000 < 1384713491 553161 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 0.0 < 1384713495 894318 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1384713514 696116 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it's the [<---] loop < 1384713523 274305 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have nothing but nonzero value between there and your flag < 1384713528 899661 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up falling off your own end of the tape < 1384713570 388023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384713571 462045 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1384713602 856313 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on egojsout < 1384713618 766302 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, no, cell 2 is clear < 1384713630 427761 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fall off your own end of the tape when the opponent unclears it < 1384713686 831158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384713745 172900 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1384713752 939970 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by 2 I mean 3 < 1384713763 485779 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I use 1-based indexing for BF Joust for some reason < 1384713770 964389 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should change my mental indexing system < 1384713838 60077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found something which is called SWIG says is for wrapping and interface generator for several programming languages, but it doesn't mention Haskell and SQL. < 1384713887 314670 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad >+++>(>(+)*4[<---]+++>)*100([-]>)*21 < 1384713890 261344 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 1.6 < 1384714064 11164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: but it needs a 3 on the tape - there is one in cell 2, but if that gets modified (and all bots on the ladder will eventually attack), then it trips over the left end very quickly. < 1384714137 755079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zero >+[]<< < 1384714141 380766 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_zero: 1.9 < 1384714167 974707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zero >+++[]<< < 1384714171 596180 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_zero: 3.6 < 1384714181 210221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of persistence, from #scheme@freenode: http://sprunge.us/SOgT < 1384714277 822460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah. i was hoping you would do the work < 1384714280 655844 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I remember reading somewhere that one of Blizzard's early RTSes, I think it was Starcraft, was delayed while they tried to reach feature parity with something that one of their rivals had demoed < 1384714303 378443 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out that their rivals didn't have the feature at all, the demo was just a video recording rather than something actually playing < 1384714348 441511 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1384714355 547689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does [>+][-]> run over the tape? < 1384714363 597216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>+] should find a non zero cell < 1384714370 456613 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then zero it < 1384714375 362913 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then move to the next one < 1384714383 429631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the +, pretty much any cell is nonzero, so the loop goes on and on. < 1384714388 490561 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: [> moves to the next cell, + sets it to 1, ] goes back to the start of the program < 1384714399 920261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for [>+] to stop, the cell below the pointer must be zero. < 1384714410 248928 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1384714415 59989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one find a non-zero cell? < 1384714450 142363 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: (>[program here])*29 < 1384714516 87238 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody here knows where to find this regex example of why ruby sucks at parsing with whitespaces? < 1384714534 676931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well _did_ blizzard reach feature parity anyhow < 1384714551 815245 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, they were the first to impl the features < 1384714617 452045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's called the "bait-and-switch". < 1384714663 768178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "demo" of a nonexistent feature, that is.) < 1384714676 738738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The definition of persistence, from #scheme@freenode: http://sprunge.us/SOgT <-- did they manage to ban him, alternatively did shachaf quit in disgust < 1384714684 327333 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384714767 221776 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384714984 701722 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1384715019 967809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wasn't really following. My grep sees no bans, though no other signs after that 15th-day appearance either. Still, I'm sure that wasn't the last we'll see of them. < 1384715083 876915 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :augur < 1384715112 314838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1384715170 290011 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nop []+ < 1384715174 38864 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__nop: 6.5 < 1384715208 963079 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384715274 38315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust zeroest (-.)*-1 < 1384715277 739049 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_zeroest: 10.2 < 1384715352 152105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad >+>+[]<<[+] < 1384715356 52154 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 3.1 < 1384715633 781194 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad >+>+>+[]<[+]<[]<[-] < 1384715638 557014 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 0.3 < 1384715665 581364 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust salad >+>+>+[]<[+]<[]<[-](>[-])*30 < 1384715670 513819 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman__salad: 1.0 < 1384715809 304075 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1384715823 195133 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hey, have *you* tried bfjoust? < 1384715823 498106 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ( i remember something like rest or tail). new hardware is required usually for games, its fpu ran much slower than realtime to figure out how < 1384715846 347800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think you'd really need new hardware for bfjoust. < 1384715846 670037 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: these people really _are_ on crack. fnord::' demi-thread. if you have to code an attempt at adding " l'" to the wall with bug listings < 1384715929 869022 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're crack. < 1384715930 62185 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: and that's a neat new language < 1384715937 92384 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Gee. Thanks < 1384715943 24833 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always new all my languages were neat. < 1384715945 328323 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knew < 1384715967 456573 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What about your languages? < 1384715967 664729 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the primary documentation for emacs is done. < 1384715998 74932 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'd rather have vim... < 1384715998 388891 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i have a midland accent ( or in most cases it is best not to hang around those cobol programmers in their late thirties and early fnord < 1384716000 910618 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: elisp isn't "your" language < 1384716001 135696 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that is the fucking point. i really appreciate it. as i type. how nice. < 1384716039 276133 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what point fungot is trying to make.. < 1384716039 488005 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: y " is not a great essay writer the sentence choices seem odd. < 1384716189 305005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot writes essays? < 1384716189 503472 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so much about coding, as i've been giving them some stuff to do. you don't have to < 1384716661 103125 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentence choices DO seem odd < 1384716776 166532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you question that < 1384717158 916908 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a funny quiz about undefined behavior in C http://blog.regehr.org/archives/721 < 1384717312 998955 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust [>+][>-] < 1384717313 193647 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1384717328 996387 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust blah [>+][>-] < 1384717331 633022 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for doesthiswork_blah: 0.0 < 1384717407 676843 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust blah2 [>-] < 1384717410 253162 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for doesthiswork_blah2: 0.0 < 1384717424 486546 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384717454 664144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I'm disappointed that some of the questions are about specific implementations rather than C < 1384717569 68316 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said that no one uses the standard, they all use implementations of the standard so questions about implementations are more meaningful < 1384717661 942372 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the kinds of things you need to watch out for < 1384718005 203123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that is why he made me fail question 5, the bastard. < 1384718039 795190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of _course_ i'd know the answer if he'd said only actual implementations counted. < 1384718043 713035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*known < 1384718150 252618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that thing and finding a number of things to nitpick on. < 1384718225 136160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in the explanation of Q4, it speaks of "promoting" an unsigned int to long, but that's (at least in nitpick mode) not a promotion, it's just part of the usual arithmetic conversions. < 1384718243 465550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice touch that the introduction with all those assumptions gets hidden when you start the quiz < 1384718343 466917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The signedness of char wasn't in the introduction, anyway. < 1384718355 239955 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what makes it fun :) < 1384718363 451146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it says as much in the explanation. < 1384718408 693855 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384718577 463322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also disagree with Q10 explanation, which claims that "other values can be safely left-shifted", while in fact no negative values can. < 1384718632 380587 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384718703 170793 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust attack1 [>[-]+] < 1384718706 253330 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_unfoog_attack1: 3.8 < 1384718747 729631 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384719354 12722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aw, I thought it would be about persistent data structures. < 1384719512 874535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think Q18 is unambiguously wrong. It claims that, for int x, "(short)x + 1" is defined for all values of x, while in fact it's undefined, as acknowledged in the comments. < 1384719600 587371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "I’ll stand by my answer since I’ve never heard of an LP64 compiler that doesn’t just truncate" cop-out in the comments is utter nonsense, given the "Make no assumptions about undefined behaviors" requirement of the introduction, and the way other questions (like overflowing a signed integer) are handled. < 1384719683 50147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, conversion to narrower integer was in fact implementation-defined? How weird. I guess in that case it's a little more defensible. < 1384719691 306390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that if sizeof int == sizeof short, then (short)x+1 overflows if x+1 overflows < 1384719714 595413 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is fuked up < 1384719741 566433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "sizeof (int) == sizeof (short)" is more clearly disallowed by the assumptions in the introduction, though. < 1384719774 436364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was before I figured out which assumptions I was supposed to be making < 1384719854 471318 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384719880 509080 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384720002 329702 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384720006 448436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any free graphics plotting software with language bindings for calling from SQL? < 1384720030 70862 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a thread on comp.lang.c about whether "f() + f()" is defined behaviour for all int-returning functions f (when f itself always has defined behaviour) < 1384720045 369186 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to take a guess at the currently accepted answer? < 1384720057 685028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it isn't? < 1384720073 79962 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384720088 687067 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384720125 321131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: It probably works for most functions on most computers, I would think; maybe there are some cases allowed by the C standard where this doesn't work but I don't know how obscure these are < 1384720185 738603 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer sees to be "it's always defined in C11; it's also always defined in C89 as of Defect Report 87 and C99 as of Defect Report 287, the actual text of the standards is silent on the issue" < 1384720218 94551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it depends on the standard. < 1384720233 830515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to signed int overflows? are those not-undefined now? < 1384720250 509746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vex.net/~trebla/humour/tautologies.html < 1384720251 961379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think it's not "about that". < 1384720265 355416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: At least based on what those defect reports address. < 1384721126 807513 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think they're still undefined < 1384721160 421174 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check n1570 < 1384721291 7779 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, C11 says that overflow is undefined, and unsigned operations cannot overflow < 1384721418 630571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pretty sure olsner meant in the f(x) + f(x) context
< 1384721432 633880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, f() + f() < 1384721460 187228 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I was talking about < 1384721487 229449 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/2013102400] < 1384721493 592582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good that's settled, good night! < 1384721513 844607 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I wasn't thinking < 1384721555 288179 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, are there any symmetrical binary operators that are defined no matter what their arguments? < 1384721571 365046 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise operators aren't fully defined on negative numbers < 1384721587 790982 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ - * can all overflow, / and % can divide by zero < 1384721599 839394 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and / can also overflow if you do INT_MIN / -1) < 1384721636 864064 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can at least change the problem to "is f() + f() always defined if f() is always defined and returns an unsigned int?" < 1384721657 905020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or simply assume that f doesn't return something that causes an overflow < 1384721681 211958 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384721722 579270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In LLVM, at least, I think addition and subtraction are defined to wrap around unless you explicitly specify that overflow is undefined, in which case it is undefined. < 1384721759 672782 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Verity, there aren't signed versions of + - * because it's always two's complement and thus the unsigned versions work just fine < 1384721764 42460 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no issue with signed overflow < 1384721805 459984 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in signed cast-to-fewer-bits, which is defined to simply take the low bits < 1384721978 576668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would work too (actually LLVM does the same thing; there is no separate signed and unsigned add command, although there are parameters to tell it to be signed or unsigned if you want overflow to be undefined) < 1384721999 359296 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384722203 702496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Z-machine all arithmetic operators are signed and there are no unsigned versions. Overflow is supposed to be an error, but making it not error for addition and subtraction would help so that you can make address arithmetic. < 1384722340 636778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did not think of division overflowing! Now I know. Therefore, DIV -32768 -1 S 0 (Frolg syntax) in Z-machine would also be error. < 1384722345 112296 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384722388 958598 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1384722389 532500 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1384722429 698620 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384722530 287097 :ajf!~ajf@94.3.245.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384723463 320681 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384723495 456508 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195992856 < 1384723548 666982 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384723555 723443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Human Revolution" sounds like an appropriate name. < 1384723571 1636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now everyone knows your Steam Name.) < 1384723851 43866 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384723986 645284 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1384724024 109704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they can... < 1384724030 834814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they can do something dastardly. < 1384724032 223738 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY CAN STEAM YOU < 1384724034 885205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendly you in Steam. < 1384724036 763792 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STEEEAAAAAM < 1384724039 481009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "ly" in there. < 1384724054 118960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "lye" in your friend, at least under normal circumstances. < 1384724060 463252 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :steamly you in friendship < 1384724127 144194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384724782 376962 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384725343 696378 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384725463 343922 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I watched like a whole anime this weekend and suddenly I'm noticing loads of people reblogging it on Tumblr < 1384725480 13922 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What anime? < 1384725488 601581 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puella Magi Madoka Magica < 1384725507 8901 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat choic < 1384725508 751709 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*choice < 1384725525 543316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it is quite a popular one yes < 1384725555 64991 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOE < 1384725589 621863 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed it < 1384725615 93469 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends tried to get me to cosplay it but then we realised how expensive that'd be < 1384725706 556859 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really expensive) < 1384725712 761774 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I'd probably have to shave) < 1384725839 738476 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Go as Snake Quiet. Much cheaper < 1384725856 556933 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Quiet Snake, I guess) < 1384725883 764141 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have a Jake English cosplay < 1384725889 533880 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/metal_gear_solid_v__big_quiet_boss_xd_by_zombiesandwich-d6lio0e-424x600.jpg < 1384725897 638799 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsfw < 1384725898 624778 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1384725912 220516 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique, I don't think I have the muscle tone for that < 1384726665 154238 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384726762 572474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384726969 524403 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384727049 368453 :ajf!~ajf@94.3.245.95 PART :#esoteric < 1384728010 287632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lambdabot :☹( < 1384728167 507238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode :☹( < 1384728169 248979 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003A COLON] [U+2639 WHITE FROWNING FACE] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] < 1384728180 960179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, some kind of recursive frown. < 1384728187 182286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just nested. < 1384728202 723205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you zoom and enhance, I'm sure there's more frowns where that came from. < 1384728278 270615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let zoom [a,b,c] = [b]; let enhance "☹" = ":☹(" in (enhance . zoom) ":☹(" < 1384728285 926629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lambdabot :☹( < 1384728323 915906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, I'm sure there would've been some kind of Unicode problem. < 1384728360 703156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1384728584 67492 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'zoom [a,b,c] = [b]; enhance "*" = ":*("; main = print ((enhance . zoom) ":*(")' | runghc < 1384728588 717757 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​":*(" < 1384728607 364639 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* is practically a smiley face. if you squint < 1384728641 746441 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a massively huge tear < 1384728919 441543 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1384730345 660630 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384730357 622419 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384730361 844625 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384730722 938770 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T HAVE ANY MILK < 1384730749 857191 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I despise CAOS, but there's still an interesting property. In one way, it's like REBOL < 1384730778 975484 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b c could be interpreted as a (b c) if needed < 1384730794 229749 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setv name "my variable" 5 < 1384730806 786537 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setv takes a variable and an int and puts the int into the variable < 1384730820 489407 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :name "my variable" refers to the variable on the targ called "my variable" < 1384730840 658240 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(targ is a piece of global state, blech, but the REBOL-like processing is still interesting) < 1384731101 197236 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384731750 963105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I DO < 1384731778 767873 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, IS IT FULL FAT < 1384731812 761294 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/tmp/mpiling_data.jpeg < 1384731842 12635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: IS THAT THE SAME AS WHOLE < 1384731851 580042 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1384731855 173231 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, YES < 1384731881 350375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: THAT'S WHAT IT SAID ON THE COW < 1384731931 549095 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384731958 375751 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, CAN I HAVE SOME OF YOUR MILK PLEASE < 1384731971 325389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: SURE < 1384731989 477260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: SEND ME A SELF-ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE AND I'LL POUR SOME MILK IN AND SEND IT BACK < 1384732021 509194 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, IS YOUR ADDRESS "SHACHAF, CALIFORNIA PROBABLY"? < 1384732047 622352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MIGHT GET TO ME < 1384732076 506357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I bet you could figure out how to send mail to me. < 1384732132 78342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: PLEASE ALSO INCLUDE CADBURY FLAKE < 1384732248 837433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google tuscan whole milk < 1384732260 832928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lambdabot :☹( < 1384732385 349921 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384732527 997257 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::😸3 < 1384733761 471892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ZTcgzOq.jpg < 1384733763 612726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada.jpg < 1384734069 202266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 44 < 1384734070 778391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 44: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1384734397 944239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should add a PDF file so I can view it from my browser. < 1384734433 720298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, if you want a PDF you do it yourself. < 1384734450 431831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have the program to print it to PDF) < 1384734453 755070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you want "starts laughing", not "stars laughing". < 1384734455 34033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1384734487 90772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for noticing that mistake; I fixed it now. < 1384734592 309948 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384734605 802722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I found out that I need to fix dungeonsrecording.tex to support more than five levels of spells; the current implementation will try to put them all in one row, which doesn't fit on the page very well. < 1384734624 190591 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, help I'm starting to play D&D < 1384734639 557575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't doitneb < 1384734655 303338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I cannot help you with too general requests like that. < 1384734677 101666 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've made one of the hardest characters for a beginner < 1384734690 959635 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A freakin' pacifist < 1384734719 582714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6466824/1/The-Pacifist < 1384734721 742568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, make whatever character you want; that is OK. You can make a character which is difficult for you if that is what you prefer. < 1384734961 485118 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384736269 924946 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1384736343 93998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been trying to find graphing software with language bindings for SQL, and cannot find some. < 1384737727 900273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there none? < 1384738267 286177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384738935 376845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try to write one for PLplot < 1384739516 19024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: matlab can talk to mysql servers < 1384739519 938869 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1384739521 465990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384739527 674943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql servers in general probably < 1384739583 811370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well I mean calling graphing software from SQL programs, in SQLite < 1384739595 777933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean accessing SQL servers from other programs < 1384739609 302677 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would someone want to do that < 1384739676 18529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems the most sensible way to me < 1384739760 904061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you don't need to access it from other programming languages, if you have SQL data you can plot it by writing SQL queries, having aggregate functions that will plot the data they receive, and so on < 1384739912 750545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an rdbms client is not and was never intended to be visualization software < 1384739991 599529 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384740152 429831 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : nope < 1384740184 62452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SQL can import foreign functions too, like other programming languages can. < 1384740499 499906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to plot data that has been filtered and manipulated and stuff too, and grouped, and various other things that are done in an SQL query. < 1384740817 580725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: ? < 1384741091 959545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION leaves for a while.
< 1384741197 181606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want actually is a SQLite extension library which provides aggregate functions to plot graphs of the data they receive. < 1384741629 303398 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ski: did you see the longversation about chu spaces in here yesterday < 1384741982 453706 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384742459 994994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1384742508 560501 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My < 1384743187 777219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope we don't die < 1384743192 857985 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts chanting
< 1384743529 651748 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:75ca:161c:7dcb:ae27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384743695 301448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Die of what? < 1384743790 525067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :grue < 1384743816 571075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I thought you don't want to die of chanting. < 1384744305 704145 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're more likely to die of chatting < 1384745413 930702 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1384746525 205854 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384746700 403808 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384747985 622653 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384748117 2949 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1384749507 176559 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1384749914 82991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common is it for programs to use true to mean failure and false to mean success? In the Z-machine, the PRINTR instruction prints a string, followed by a line break, and then returns true. Due to this, the program I am writing uses true to indicate failure. < 1384750181 592555 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is a "nothing failed" return value for most processes < 1384750188 335282 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would also be considered false in most languages < 1384750197 620039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in shell script :) < 1384750227 412133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is based on the notion that there's one way to succeed but many ways to fail < 1384750346 296382 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting to post to SO < 1384750368 543620 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, if commercial support gives you a solution to something, is that supposed to be ... proprietary? < 1384750371 615594 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds like the Anna Karenina principle < 1384750374 550012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if others have similar questions? < 1384750410 615563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in the Z-machine, zero is still considered false and one is considered true < 1384750644 653903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: yes < 1384750677 136934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Rust you used to be able to create a bool which is neither false nor true < 1384750680 545605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... got fixed < 1384750701 905798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I suppose this isn't much more than a convention, since any actual instructions that test less/greater/equal/flags/etc just branch instead) < 1384750708 65604 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you able to create a bool that is both? < 1384750734 640418 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they refuse to be limited by your 1-dimensional thinking < 1384750753 258578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, routine 0 always returns 0, and the SAVE/RESTORE opcodes return 0 or -1 on failure, and other numbers on success.) < 1384750777 601534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: no < 1384750814 411922 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :philistines! < 1384750832 109883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mmap(2) returns -1 rather than 0 for errors, because one could map a page at 0 but one couldn't map a page at -1 unless the page size is 1 < 1384750853 661040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does POSIX allow a page size of 1? that would make so many things so much nicer < 1384750855 124421 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the place to drop a "laws of form" reference) < 1384750887 534487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah, OK, but I mean a function that returns a boolean < 1384750929 454175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suppose if it would be allowed, then it should be prohibited for the page to start at -1 in order for that to continue to work. < 1384750930 587396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was wondering the other day if there are programs which map the same pages 2 or 4 or 8 times so that tag bits in pointers can be used without needing to mask them out < 1384751103 468687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? < 1384751178 602603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it? < 1384751214 922055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how the page mapping works, so I wouldn't know much about it < 1384751231 358079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i understand this mechanism, explain? < 1384751235 678893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you would still have to mask when taking offsets or comparing pointers for object identity < 1384751251 383452 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384751360 302442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you would map the same physical page at (e.g.) 0x10000 and 0x11000 so that a pointer into either region works the same, and then you can use that bit 0x1000 to store some associated information that can be accessed without dereferencing the pointer < 1384751415 338912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer tagging tricks are common but generally you have only a single mapping and so you need to mask off the tag bits first before dereferencing < 1384751452 824757 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384751455 806321 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see. < 1384751457 98995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't seem to work necessarily so well on all computers necessarily, since they might operate differently. < 1384751468 398822 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of having different regions for different types to avoid tagging but not that. < 1384751474 690535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not expect to guaranteed to work it correctly. < 1384751489 91220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: 16 of the virtual address bits in a current AMD64 CPU are ignored and could be used for such tags without masking, except that the architecture explicitly forbids it < 1384751498 165307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for forwards compatibility reasons < 1384751517 381678 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384751573 946795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :questionable decision imo < 1384751629 166430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allocating different regions ahead of time and checking if the pointer is in range would seem to work more consistently, although then you need to fix the amount of available memory when the program is starting. (But I don't know if this would work on the "Future Systems" 128-bit processor and other really strange things) < 1384751646 712573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard would it be to have a "I don't intend to use more than 256 TB of address space" control flag < 1384751686 235984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of people who need speeeeeeeeed and don't mind writing unportable code or using a nonstandard ABI < 1384751728 434693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fun fact: ARM uses the low bit of the program counter basically as a tag to say whether it's in ARM or Thumb mode < 1384751749 653689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instructions on ARM are at least 2-byte aligned) < 1384751755 949280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nice because function calls automatically save/restore that mode too < 1384751804 559729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write non-portable codes, you could at least partially write them in assembly language, and/or use C preprocessor macros to detect what computer it is running on < 1384751840 522561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384751848 558624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is typically done < 1384751886 994243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I am writing a program in C, I rarely want unportable codes anyways < 1384752021 526301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protected mode adds too many complications anyways, I think. Some of these things could still be done in simpler ways, and other things < 1384752329 759291 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384752369 894582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with people who have a television on at night making noise < 1384752382 192068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's snowin < 1384752382 998155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1384752399 508876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can there just not be such people in the world anymore < 1384752442 684983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I've heard of such behavior. < 1384752473 852945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe the Xbox did something like that? < 1384752490 414149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay before it was snowing but now it's snowing like a motherfucker < 1384752606 454144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to sleep and now i hate all people within a 5km radius < 1384752655 131036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the xbox use it for < 1384752659 452910 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384752825 304936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of something else. < 1384753211 346693 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1384753280 366010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah. The Xbox 360 has 64-bit addresses but only 512MB of RAM, so the upper 32 bits are used as flags by the L2 cache. < 1384753294 686031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1384753296 183341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. whether memory is encrypted. < 1384753303 473013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's physical address bits right? < 1384753318 91632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, true. < 1384753327 628929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that was used for some hax < 1384753350 924357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjpmc8ZIxM was a nice talk about it. < 1384753453 476346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to japan, ttyl < 1384753491 284793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384753791 559411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like how the bug was in the syscall handling code < 1384754018 888246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here feel like translating TAPASM to syntactically correct english? < 1384754658 794443 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hospital room is the perfect place for the data center. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=196098420 < 1384754660 968277 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384756083 148749 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384756797 147039 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384757709 392491 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384757783 921905 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1384758922 269657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Do you know lots of things about Chu spaces? < 1384758982 97266 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1384759031 197474 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran into them when looking at linear logic papers < 1384759064 800718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to de Paiva's thing? < 1384759073 655892 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384759122 940412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how I can relate them to (a) topological systems and/or (b) adjunctions? < 1384759211 984233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you know anything about the category whose objects are categories and whose arrows are adjunctions? < 1384759390 328351 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384759416 343829 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Valéria de Paiva,Peter Wojtáš, whence "PV") < 1384759436 983424 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no details :/ < 1384759456 62380 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1384759508 129689 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384759618 33768 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384759996 582354 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:75ca:161c:7dcb:ae27 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384762470 125788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384762747 611492 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Execute In Register with an Execute in Register Instruction in the Register would be an endless loop < 1384762788 542267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :halt and catch fire :) < 1384762840 565872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean never halt hth < 1384762888 629390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Now everyone knows your Steam Name.) <-- well all the 3 who visited the page. < 1384762933 231067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, on s/390 the execute in register instruction doesn't accept another execute-in-register instruction < 1384762981 806601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: how non-orthogonal < 1384763008 452919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all instructions should be orthogonal to themselves, obviously!) < 1384763182 358528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an ISA where instructions have 90 degree angles to each other... maybe call it a vector processor < 1384763193 803125 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384763328 516588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb I DON'T HAVE ANY MILK <- ME NEITHER < 1384763337 992111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1384763347 799732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek? < 1384763348 956923 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a language with stuff like "turn right"? < 1384763359 36210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lambdabot has been kidnapped! < 1384763378 40781 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes! < 1384763379 35953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Logo, also karel the robot < 1384763387 725882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many (most?) 2D languages have "turn right" too. < 1384763399 651510 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i meant < 1384763413 792943 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally "turn right" as a command < 1384763415 627638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: technically don't they have "turn in this direction i'm pointing" < 1384763432 643232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i _think_ karel the robot may have had that. < 1384763437 715109 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if your instruction pointer is moving from top to bottom, you have to write one letter at a column < 1384763441 422027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A number also do it relatively. Like the Funge-98 ]. < 1384763454 688658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1384763481 777781 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384763485 587688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I suppose you could argue that ">" is still "turn right" even though it's absolute, it's all about the definition of "right".) < 1384763487 752334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: wat "one letter at a column" < 1384763500 68566 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a line < 1384763501 585393 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1384763536 518280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whoops, lunchtime.) < 1384763537 656219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it had turnleft and turnright is the first example procedure in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_(programming_language) < 1384763599 767920 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: alight! < 1384763627 299513 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/m5LlaE5D < 1384763640 344139 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- as of now. all 128 instruction are taken :) < 1384763645 364209 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Alight < 1384763723 548601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1384763764 529630 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I could make shl,shr use Reg[src] for how many shifts to be performed < 1384763792 792809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: itym "per line" < 1384763810 553285 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be stupid < 1384763912 827800 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :better replace them with a generic bit manipulation instruction where the src register encodes what's to be done :) < 1384764108 897333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://heh.fi/tmp/mpiling_data.jpeg <-- my new laptop is seriously sucky on dark pictures :( < 1384764148 455728 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relevant part isn’t darkened. < 1384764190 14504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting full brightness on isn't enough, at the same time i need to put brightness on 50% not to hurt my eyes on ordinary black on white text... < 1384764215 759991 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try adjusting the gamma. < 1384764257 938380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how. and all i could find about constract was claims about "laptops don't usually have it". < 1384764266 436121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contrast < 1384764298 590736 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try xgamma -gamma 1.2 < 1384764308 223660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ion -----###
< 1384764326 524747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on windows. < 1384764340 780355 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan with a fish
< 1384764392 718598 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google windows adjust gamma < 1384764436 540927 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There really is a CPU that can decode an instruction in a register and execute it? < 1384764458 936428 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did IBM do that? < 1384764471 41224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i found something! < 1384764477 688587 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Hitler requested that. < 1384764643 115393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1384764666 959960 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought one should only pull the Hitler card in a vigorous discussion one is about to loose because running out of useful arguments < 1384764681 196030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to possibly troll the opponent discusser. < 1384764751 555439 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a completely reasonable guess given that IBM did business with him. < 1384764843 428232 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1384764861 707817 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that uhm... treason? < 1384764876 802395 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as IBM is probably an american or ukanian company < 1384764930 151967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: thanks gamma helped < 1384764944 204062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries with 1.5 for now.
< 1384765035 833076 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php < 1384765088 476022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 2.2 is the standard? < 1384765115 124197 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don’t set the value to 2.2, set the value to whatever makes the bars say 2.2 < 1384765223 32498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: they _may_ have stopped in 1942 or so? < 1384765266 864494 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. But the war started 1939? < 1384765278 164360 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384765281 390377 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the US < 1384765287 420715 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :checks out < 1384765643 736269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: "ukanian" is somewhat liable to misreadsings < 1384765917 250035 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn those battletoads < 1384765923 493434 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get that theme out of my head :) < 1384765933 493849 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah... < 1384766250 458285 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384767302 398817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah my eyes < 1384768283 780281 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384768293 383441 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well. I just reserve one instruction as a marker for a secondary instruction set < 1384768302 470999 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll give me another 128 instructions once I need them < 1384768589 2354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 actually < 1384768863 72909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's with people who have a television on at night making noise <-- devil worshipers hth < 1384768990 729610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: plz take back lambdabot this new guy is obviously not up to the responsibility thx < 1384769292 517171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the same goes for people with barking dogs < 1384769321 5651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: my neighbor in some not entirely determined direction < 1384770039 386225 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384770163 388704 :heroux!~heroux@507082F7.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384771121 161572 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Background noise < 1384771131 42949 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that too < 1384771134 122720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d JOIN :#esoteric < 1384771146 261318 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I let streams run in background while working < 1384771155 288974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tv streams) < 1384771161 684975 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a night :) < 1384771163 224102 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at < 1384771854 411759 :darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust JOIN :#esoteric < 1384772321 802750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IEEE's core purpose is to foster technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity." < 1384772327 313954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought they were in it to make money. < 1384772357 697490 :heroux!~heroux@507082F7.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1384772397 786676 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384772590 309822 :darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much expensive < 1384772591 765674 :darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wow < 1384772628 99876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome darklust < 1384772633 154373 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02darklust: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1384772657 911570 :darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :>DalNet still exists < 1384772711 619591 :darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here for brainfuck and brainfuck accessories < 1384772720 514910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1384772736 394808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your nick made me suspicious :P < 1384772859 322160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1384772859 517207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1384772866 85282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor, abused little thing. < 1384772876 693124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug lambdabot < 1384772876 849477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1384774600 241653 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384774735 581444 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384775876 492681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384776345 127583 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so's jump rel 0 < 1384776446 377334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But who's looking at money when humanity is at stake?! < 1384776570 907469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this quote that I read yesterday seems related somehow: "It is not heartless to say that if every human life is actually priceless, then it follows that there will never be enough money." < 1384776972 141409 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384777120 745728 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384778422 678134 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yeah. But that's a different loop :) < 1384778461 512834 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute in register would produce a loop inside the execution circuitry < 1384778527 529689 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384778572 355958 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e uninterrutable < 1384778630 596266 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the implementation of course < 1384778703 46570 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it had interrupts < 1384778962 675757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being some debate on the corner cases of the semantics of Funge-98's "k" instruction, which repeats the next instruction N times. < 1384779234 101036 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some debate" is an understatement < 1384779471 913909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! I guess I can ask a similar question for x86: what happens if a rep stosb modifies the rep or stosb opcodes? < 1384779694 709172 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://www.woodmann.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-12442.html "when an interrupt is generated, CPU stops executing overwritten REP STOS/MOVS" < 1384779900 570156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nice. can you parse this? "meanwhile, some CPU have a bug. they executes CLD commands _before_ overwritten REP STOS/MOVS will be stopped or finishes. as result, REP STOS/MOVS changes the direction and hits the memory not supposed to be written." < 1384779903 711644 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384779940 321986 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384779946 638166 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384779974 953491 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1384779976 699269 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384779988 752245 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Seems mostly clear except that I don't know where the CLD is coming frmo < 1384779991 20300 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from* < 1384780023 400326 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384780027 660904 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384780149 457629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I guess it's just too weird to really believe :) < 1384780282 26164 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good unbelievable morning! < 1384780301 258683 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1384780425 913701 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384780614 46745 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384780722 18749 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn32-190.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384782136 713860 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384782629 670478 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1384782754 418073 :ski!~md9slj@129.16.29.79 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384783357 901385 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384783716 692672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1384784556 210565 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384784869 709961 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384784901 434093 :chatamici!~chatamici@net-93-147-87-244.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1384784914 328957 :chatamici!~chatamici@net-93-147-87-244.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT : < 1384785016 374132 :chigipuga!~chigipuga@78.25.76.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384785081 219315 :chigipuga!~chigipuga@78.25.76.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384785616 697681 :ecolin!~ecolin@78.25.76.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384785666 48630 :ecolin!~ecolin@78.25.76.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384788519 912455 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384789695 852731 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384790165 477025 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384791250 339475 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384791635 350362 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384791895 451661 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384793191 646014 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1384793235 876843 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is the .stack header supposed to be in 8086? < 1384793272 719616 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to find a tutorial that actually says what it does < 1384793273 104242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :define the stack size? < 1384793295 874856 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1384793599 862613 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384793634 173585 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384794133 492618 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384794671 149939 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384794844 660394 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384795673 683337 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384795717 433120 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384795726 18789 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy, where have you been? < 1384795726 650081 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT IT SAID ON THE COW < 1384795754 692476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1384796126 687824 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384796160 818605 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384796449 827782 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384796675 18519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ruddy < 1384796675 364943 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your IP is showing < 1384796693 715442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's ruddy and why is it quoting me < 1384796694 587242 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :day is in his late 20s < 1384796708 550369 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If register access is faster than memory access, why are there so few of them? < 1384796725 971716 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought register were memory < 1384796726 210068 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a problem of price, complexity? < 1384796733 587142 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fear that they would go unused? < 1384796745 307718 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are, but not RAM memory or disk memory < 1384796747 887693 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1384796833 893973 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I moved to paris but there was not much to do there until tuesday 19th, november, so I kept moving back and forth between paris and the suburbs and most of the time I left the computer at the other place < 1384796834 90629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384796860 410536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google memory hierarchy < 1384796861 219956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hierarchy < 1384796861 377877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Memory hierarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1384796870 856084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: Your computer may be broadcasting an IP address! < 1384796871 470830 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i do < 1384796887 916919 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in Paris! < 1384796901 666272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: THAT'S WHAT IT SAID ON THE COW < 1384796916 468094 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "expensive" in price or in electricity? < 1384796936 362077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/shachaf.png < 1384796941 441751 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever else < 1384796964 741321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Those pictures are the best. < 1384796995 734046 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: tell me more < 1384797001 740923 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what < 1384797014 3615 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the highest number of registers on a processor < 1384797014 911140 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about you being in Paris! < 1384797017 969501 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1384797020 692650 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in Paris < 1384797024 654175 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near Massy Palaiseau < 1384797027 635312 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since september < 1384797038 599195 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do some computer school thang < 1384797046 679645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: http://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf probably has good answers to your questions. < 1384797053 17484 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx < 1384797056 118989 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the name of the school? < 1384797066 660252 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFA-AFTI < 1384797071 172560 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384797071 330932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more than just an issue of expensive. < 1384797075 654693 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend there < 1384797079 846594 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S MAKE A GIGABYTE OF REGISTERS < 1384797085 729245 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whom! < 1384797088 529566 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I know him < 1384797408 720864 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, and I haven't moved to Paris. < 1384797426 733442 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing < 1384797429 295327 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paris is terrible < 1384797445 192322 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1384797557 845931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: bonjour! < 1384797591 511578 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to Paris once, ten years ago. can't say I remember much of it. < 1384797662 654557 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1384797663 186077 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 181700Z 22028G38KT 30SM BKN055 10/02 A2941 RMK SC7 SLP959 < 1384797747 134007 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when foreigner friends come to paris they all tell me it's a beautiful city and I'm lucky to live there... all I see here are the unfriendly people, the cigarettes and other trash scattering the floor, and angry drivers < 1384797830 80844 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I think that's the same for many (if not all) major cities < 1384797860 124583 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i went to Koln and Bonn in germany during the summer and it was sooooo clean < 1384797883 693458 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and London is much much cleaner than Paris < 1384797898 943725 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people there don't drive with their right hand stuck to the horn < 1384798176 322585 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384798397 379599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember being envious of the river, in Paris. < 1384798406 527626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that extends to any city with a river, which is quite many of them. < 1384798426 796657 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384798439 664670 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hmmmmmm I wonder why people keep building cities next to rivers < 1384798452 477481 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they want the water or something < 1384798462 193676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than next to a river, on an island in the river! < 1384798463 675895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that we don't have one here, and for some reason it feels lacking. < 1384798482 734834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least anything you'd count as a proper river. I mean, there's some water. < 1384798518 659522 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about hijacking a neighbouring river? < 1384798526 944437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how we'd carry it. < 1384798571 306318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/fAFdU like there's that one little thing but it's there on the wrong side of the city and all. < 1384798596 773840 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it me or have you got a whole ocean? < 1384798626 642613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not much of an ocean. And anyway, it's clearly not a river. < 1384798653 656600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that if I lived in a city with a river, I'd be disappointed with it and want an ocean instead. < 1384798889 111131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of cities in Europe, Berne (in Switzerland) seemed like a nice place, based on a very short visit. (There's even a river.) Maybe it doesn't quite count as a "major city". < 1384798976 666942 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouh, the movie I wanna see is ten minutes away, both timely and spacely gotta go bye < 1384798985 943111 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1384799093 73291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ ouh? < 1384799093 231185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384799114 316969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rivers are good < 1384799115 544287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're envious of turku? < 1384799139 922606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you cross the same river twice < 1384799151 781235 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: according to wikipédia's “List of Primate Cities”, Bern counts as a major city in Switzerland. < 1384799187 639006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Kinda-sorta. Vaguely. Not because of much else than the river, though. < 1384799874 228084 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384800098 571973 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's large enough to be known by name by random europeans who have never been to Switzerland < 1384800519 121137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384800519 279321 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the capital < 1384800537 306908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384800562 486654 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :York has like two rivers < 1384800564 328819 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great < 1384800662 903533 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, move to York imo < 1384800700 337619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what it's like to leave hexham < 1384800716 110467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"omfg two whole rivers what kind of paradise is this" < 1384800721 835552 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, York has twice as many rivers as Hexham! < 1384800730 368400 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Montréal is better. we have the same river, but twice! < 1384800732 130096 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm just being silly at fizzie < 1384800749 931847 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, York even has a wall! < 1384800762 749994 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384800763 360250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragons attack and you'll be ready < 1384800799 667757 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I live on the outside of the wall :( < 1384800872 14324 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have walls. sort of. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fortifications_Montr%C3%A9al_2009.JPG < 1384800917 795134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have walls in edinburgh because *rolls dice* walls are for puny englishmen < 1384800940 528013 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 20 < 1384800940 777068 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 --- Sum = 16 < 1384800946 956132 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does Coventry have walls < 1384801237 770475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1384801245 61843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spend as little time in coventry proper as possible < 1384801283 778689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1384801325 23122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: plot and graph (not in the node-vertex sense but the other one) appear to be interchangeable both as nouns and verbs < 1384801341 888648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: plotting a graph and graphing a plot are about the same thing < 1384801363 206766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 5d20 < 1384801363 364425 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 --- Sum = 4 < 1384801374 948295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :HRM < 1384801436 525658 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 20 4 < 1384801436 812587 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 12 9 14 --- Sum = 55 < 1384801445 993012 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, but both have different meanings < 1384801513 423814 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes i know you were looking for words which have the same meanings and ONLY the same meanings, but words which interchangeable for one of their definitions is useful enough to a learner of english < 1384801537 550740 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. < 1384801541 725531 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1384801547 394 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, now you're moving the goalposts :P < 1384801574 196882 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i already hit a home run. i can do what i want. < 1384801585 361822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: does ursula martinez live in montreal < 1384801614 958614 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: probably. lots of people live in montréal. who is she? < 1384801670 488231 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wikipédia says that she lives in London.) < 1384801683 316303 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384801695 805093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1384801777 899824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call her a "cult cabaret diva" < 1384801787 974142 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have just said "stripper" < 1384801823 572173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a video of an amazing performance of hers in montreal. so i had to ask. < 1384801870 117079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the second youtube link on google...but i think the full version is longer than 4:47? < 1384801897 904640 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again according to the wiki, youtube videos butcher her performance. < 1384801922 26817 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why do we have so many naked people in montréal? don't they know that it gets fungottely cold in the winter?) < 1384801922 230856 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i could never put a cat in the barrel because they believed in the dark or otherwise confused. < 1384801922 970998 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: possibly because not all of her performance is "acceptable" for YouTube? < 1384801933 310118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the unbutchered version. < 1384801942 316780 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please don't barrel any cats < 1384801942 663522 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: you just enter a number to someone whom sarahbot thinks that your nick resembles. then t has a uniquely determined extension to a bounded linear transformation s from the closure to see the enhancements. i < 1384801947 483664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: you mean youtube can't show full frontal nudity? NONSENSE < 1384801979 748347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you do texture mapping with other bots? fascinating. < 1384801979 906685 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no they aren't < 1384801987 742033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: beuh. I am disappoint. < 1384801987 983831 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: remove ( unit foo) ( define b ( begin ( define ( push el list))) shoudl tell you. < 1384801999 631179 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh, a secret coded message! < 1384801999 939965 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: very simple to implement, i juts mean a set with a fluid environment, as well as math functions ( the ones from queue) but they use perl because it's what i'm currently using that via ssh rather than my perl programs < 1384802026 379420 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'll have the decoder implemented right away. by the way, did you know that R7RS is out? < 1384802026 778139 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: gorgeous soaking cold! var temp)... in essense you're constructing an if/ else that does either one or the other < 1384802046 822380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're confusing everyone < 1384802047 37249 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: " amis" is finnish for finland finnish :p) < 1384802062 490355 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I learned finnish. thanks, fungot. < 1384802062 799054 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: mmmdonuts: so you didn't write asiebot to another channel sometime and i'll tell you that continuations are an integral part of the article. < 1384802065 892134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you confirm or deny (probably deny) < 1384802068 498188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is finnish/is french/ < 1384802105 781232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you even know finnish? < 1384802105 957397 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i agree, i still don't get why they think schemers are arrogant.) < 1384802119 937399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you help me make a starcraft clone in scheme < 1384802120 122448 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: somehow you're getting into the hair splitting business < 1384802189 589211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'd love to get into that business < 1384802189 786757 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, and misspelling it purposely. very clever. but alltogether i think cotmta is the best < 1384802201 535042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, you're the best ♥ < 1384802201 749605 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: neilv says: no problem writing ' u' and liberally sprinkling sentences with ' lol' < 1384802251 411562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i got a problem with that < 1384802278 819945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you are the best, it's true < 1384802278 977608 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: two stacks for the program :) < 1384802294 450933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: looks like fungot got tired of you < 1384802294 681319 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ( especially regarding the cons) ( define ( fnord status) " an error is signalled", btw). i thought of that < 1384802306 535548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mutual, fungot < 1384802306 730909 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then i'll get back to when the state of the art. it's a large industry to be sure < 1384802327 69728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: WHAT'S A LARGE INDUSTRY? complete sentences, please! < 1384802327 227612 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh wait. that was actually very inviting... < 1384802335 27571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go away < 1384802335 556287 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i want a break from it. so it took a while to adjust to it and crossed my fingers.) < 1384802341 373862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks fungot, being friends is so much better than when you wanted to kill me < 1384802341 609558 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tried to copypaste stuff from this compiling machine to the next logical step is to figure out < 1384802357 516214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot wanted to kill Phantom_Hoover? < 1384802357 674328 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: notice that its name already ended in -y. < 1384802373 477587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Phantom_Hoovery < 1384802399 863360 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is teaching ruddy to spout nonsense < 1384802400 51775 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it has two defective pixels, no matter who listens to trance :) < 1384802400 719786 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this? < 1384802402 156804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how pick name? < 1384802431 976272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384802458 565733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how indee < 1384802459 211023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1384802658 981175 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH blanked the Derplang page. Yes, it's JesseH's lang, but... NO TAKEBACKSIES ON PUBLIC DOMAIN DEDICATION. can i get a ROLLBACK?? < 1384802698 963342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "amis" is colloquial (arguably slightly derogatory, depending on use) for "ammattikoulu" ("ammattiopisto", "ammattioppilaitos"), i.e., "vocational school", a place for the sort of career-oriented upper secondary education from which one typically does not go on for a university degree. < 1384802702 964055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but seriously, why "Phantom Hoover"? < 1384802779 78478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higgledy-piggledy, / Phantomy_Hoovery / Once thought that fungot would / Want him to die; // How'd he survive that? By, / Uncomplicatedly, / Changing his nickname by / Dropping a -y. < 1384802779 279518 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but it would cause executing unwanted instructions even if you leave it out. < 1384802796 516651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, too many "by"s. < 1384802860 178900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is "amis" Finnish for Finland Finnish? < 1384802860 370880 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the ultimate esolang shootout" ( when i'm already familiar with usual til strategies. < 1384802864 905323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, fizzie: < 1384802923 807644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higgledy-piggledy, / Phantomy_Hoovery / Once thought that fungot would / Want him to die; // How'd he survive it? By / Uncomplicatedly / Changing his nickname, and / Dropping a -y. < 1384802924 3262 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i could be wrong. it refers to whether you do it, < 1384802927 87685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. But maybe it's Finland for Finnish Finland, if that means anything. < 1384802964 372501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well maybe YOU'RE finland for finnish finland!! < 1384802990 946643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least fungot has admitted it might be wrong < 1384802991 154838 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because nobody does this mean? < 1384803006 934471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly fungot. you're the first < 1384803007 92404 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: are you referring to < 1384803011 314740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1384803289 894808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you dropping < 1384803290 53657 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by saying " you hit me, and the < 1384803302 629728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take that as a yes. < 1384803332 75191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think you're < 1384803344 415146 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384803758 608120 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384804161 434417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no u < 1384804247 850232 :darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1384804250 467651 :darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust NICK :Darklust < 1384804298 72833 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Darklust < 1384804301 338896 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Darklust: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1384804327 273274 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you accidentally. < 1384804339 27571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about fungot < 1384804339 426515 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the music sucks ( war samples like guns and radio communications) and the second one is a editor for midi ( rosegarden, kde based) < 1384804339 584731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he's already had a `relcome < 1384804354 835649 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :          < 1384804354 994082 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :          < 1384804354 994245 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :          < 1384804354 994349 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :          < 1384804354 994449 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :          < 1384804362 726379 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, Darklust < 1384804362 884578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nothing accidentally about it < 1384804392 525354 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :So brain, such fuck < 1384804412 347869 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't been coding in dogescript have you. < 1384804413 741518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, we need to undo boily's damage. < 1384804417 225406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darklust: You are not relcome here. < 1384804419 545490 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and there I was naïvely hoping I could `relcome someone... < 1384804446 725494 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not, it's built ontop of what, javascript? < 1384804450 872172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1384804456 21731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't like that type here < 1384804469 181635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve < 1384804549 468717 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no implementation of NABD? < 1384804559 276034 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, none that I can find < 1384804562 540506 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you haven't written it yet < 1384804606 729909 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that diæresis was valid. you can't counter it. < 1384804632 842946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Over here, "naïve" gets rendered with *three* dots above the ı. < 1384804648 9594 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: weeeeeeeird < 1384804668 497247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode naïve < 1384804670 465160 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+0308 COMBINING DIAERESIS] [U+0076 LATIN SMALL LETTER V] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] < 1384804677 150690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's a combining diæresis. < 1384804683 981055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve gets rendered with two dots. < 1384804690 275382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naive gets rendered with one dot. < 1384804697 978054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naıve gets rendered with no dots. < 1384804720 231511 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those mapped to your keyboard < 1384804724 519081 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve gets rendered with three dots. three! < 1384804733 727905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darklust: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Not_a_brainfuck_derivative is this what you're referring to? it definitely doesn't say "Implemented" there at the bottom. also, there's no spec. < 1384804736 15667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: For you too? < 1384804745 689026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep < 1384804754 587077 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, quintopia < 1384804755 968929 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this font is lacking lots of fancy unicode < 1384804762 858661 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got excited and then I wasn't excited < 1384804776 434990 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering < 1384804779 189667 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode naïve < 1384804780 842629 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+00EF LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS] [U+0076 LATIN SMALL LETTER V] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] < 1384804782 462396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gtk and xchat aren't much good at it either < 1384804794 779740 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy is it to write a BF compiler in assembly? < 1384804810 716721 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering if it's a good idea to try out assembly a bit < 1384804818 706394 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1384804833 442043 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy to write a bf compiler in anything < 1384804834 607303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: an assembly program to compile BF to machine code? < 1384804840 767939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Bike said < 1384804851 648715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what machine would you target? x86? < 1384804852 426502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just weird. In PuTTY (I'm doing some Windows-Steaming), "naïve" gets three dots; if I copy-paste it to Chrome's input line, it gets a single dot; but when I paste it in, say, Google's search field, it gets two. < 1384804856 185168 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1384804858 552955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that averages out to correct. < 1384804873 75194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naı̈ve < 1384804875 961863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1384804877 599630 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it might be a neat little project to learn some more assembly < 1384804880 175980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384804881 835453 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your setups are wëird. < 1384804881 993293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve < 1384804886 661229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naȯve < 1384804894 628997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ȯöps < 1384804895 267345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe Chrome's input line has some special handling for safety.) < 1384804896 430131 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: don't worry. it renders just fine with two dots here. < 1384804899 874078 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naø̄ve. < 1384804904 61011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naïve < 1384804909 955078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :naı̈ve < 1384804913 482385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: thanks for reassuring me. I was feeling very strange. < 1384804984 954803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d QUIT :Quit: brb < 1384804987 296672 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the w in ẅ look normal to you? < 1384805002 858570 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it switches fonts, but displays properly. < 1384805030 705106 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the font switch is what makes it look bad here < 1384805090 854178 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the hardest part would be figuring out the IO < 1384805152 334055 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384805155 242450 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: my IME lets me put diæresises on: äëḧïöẗüẅẍÿ < 1384805241 214609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d JOIN :#esoteric < 1384805280 802619 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/ < 1384805343 573509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: same here < 1384805369 388680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the htx look a bit strained, but the others get remapped to the appropriate non-combined characters < 1384805412 573480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: not too hard, just depends entirely on what you target with the assembly... doing a system call on e.g. linux is easy < 1384805419 550623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ḧ < 1384805421 365391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :7719 < 1384805433 295242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat not even combined < 1384805444 515143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ḧ < 1384805446 184553 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :7719 < 1384805460 227967 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ḧ < 1384805461 976249 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :104 776 < 1384805467 75589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a " on that h right until I pressed enter < 1384805495 799284 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ¨ < 1384805520 506945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. even the non-combined form looks blurry < 1384805524 85958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1384805571 599581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode äëḧïöẗüẅẍÿ < 1384805573 490018 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00E4 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS] [U+00EB LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS] [U+1E27 LATIN SMALL LETTER H WITH DIAERESIS] [U+00EF LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS] [U+00F6 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS] [U+1E97 LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH DIAERESIS] [U+00FC LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS] [U+1E85 LATIN SMALL LETTER W WIT < 1384805592 592214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ẅẍÿ < 1384805594 361061 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1E85 LATIN SMALL LETTER W WITH DIAERESIS] [U+1E8D LATIN SMALL LETTER X WITH DIAERESIS] [U+00FF LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS] < 1384805605 875232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a combined character in sight < 1384805655 798288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ḧ < 1384805657 496899 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0308 COMBINING DIAERESIS] < 1384805879 848273 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384806002 861729 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384806015 668381 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384806415 494698 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384806719 846213 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384807225 911574 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reachable accented letters on my layout: http://pastebin.ca/2477097 < 1384807325 264868 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384807527 380599 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384807752 507323 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn32-190.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1384807905 654711 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/unidecode < 1384807907 277091 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/unidecode: a python script text executable < 1384808254 21604 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384808442 220369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it'd be good to make a variant of befunge that's more suitable for scripting < 1384808455 974243 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: more suitable how? < 1384808523 415574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ability to execute programs and pipe/redirect their results, maybe ability to have substacks that can be pushed onto the stack < 1384808566 774359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 already has a stack of stacks. Though not quite like that. < 1384808687 711980 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "execute programs", do you mean arbitrary system calls or other Befunge programs? < 1384808700 211957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a kind of an equivalent to C's system(3) even without going into the fingerprints. No redirection of inputs with built-in commands, though. < 1384808867 702569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nyet < 1384808932 359994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, I'm not sure if there's a fingerprint for doing something like popen. There's FORK, but that's just a FORK. There's no file-descriptor-level IO (though FILE could perhaps open /dev/fd/N) or exec that I can find, which is kind of crazy, because there *is* SysV message queues, semaphores and shared memory. < 1384809160 398758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could open /proc/self/mem and add some code < 1384809316 724842 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1384809548 148633 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384810518 392559 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1384811025 382180 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384812212 884896 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-syiatofevrwatjda JOIN :#esoteric < 1384812745 778350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d QUIT :Quit: (lpaste url is .net, not .org) < 1384812985 287359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d JOIN :#esoteric < 1384813201 911747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Hey, do you Norweggers have some sort of logical rules when you use "på" and when "i" when you're explaining where someone/something is? (In Finnish the two suffixes -ssa/ssä and -lla/llä seem to be used pretty much randomly, but OTOH all Swedish examples I could think of were pretty logical; mostly "i", and then "på" for things like islands.) < 1384813202 69513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384813605 301578 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask lambdabot will you go out with me < 1384813605 459620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1384813609 307808 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1384813925 393062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Things like islands? < 1384814022 345648 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-25.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384814119 567599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: På Åland, i Helsingfors. På Sveaborg. I Vanda. "På" is like "on", so it makes sense for islands. "I" is like "in", so it makes sense for generic places. < 1384814146 928003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (But those four in Finnish would be "Ahvenanmaalla", "Helsingissä", "Suomenlinnassa" and "Vantaalla".) < 1384814209 467488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, on vs. in. < 1384814279 530342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I'm sure Swedish has some exceptions that don't really make sense too, but I couldn't think of any. At least for the Swedish names of Finnish places. < 1384814793 347043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (931) < 1384814795 85233 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (931): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1384815196 311734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384815424 402588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384815923 476657 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-61.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384815932 7363 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-25.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1384815936 9221 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-61.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat < 1384816005 464743 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: w/e. lab meeting ho! < 1384816330 533502 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384817087 309253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1384817088 877970 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384817269 862342 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384817542 705622 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-161.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384817542 863594 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-61.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1384817544 680044 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-161.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat < 1384818217 679577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384818295 821182 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The overview text http://www.crutchfield.com/S-AtP1DjFffcX/p_703SUB36M/AudioQuest-SUB-3-6-meter-19-7-feet.html < 1384818345 948569 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384818591 331985 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384818611 994638 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1384818720 904799 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384818802 91292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: wow i'm throwing away all my other cables < 1384819050 548875 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Remember to only use this for the subwoofer, there are other cables for other speakers. < 1384819073 778313 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important: “Although this same material can cause high frequencies to sound edgy with full-range analog audio signals, it actually improves bass articulation when used in subwoofer cables.” < 1384819094 924363 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“edgy” and “bass articulation” being the proper scientific terms. < 1384819128 856047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :barticulation < 1384819434 906075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hmm, didn't you categories package define a category of adjunctions < 1384819437 752903 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How possible is a language like Haskell but with support for object-oriented programming < 1384819459 810555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: People have tried various things. < 1384819486 501097 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That says it all < 1384819502 569201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google object-oriented haskell < 1384819503 760954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5414323/does-haskell-support-object-oriented-programming < 1384819503 918768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Does Haskell support object oriented programming - Stack Overflow < 1384819521 936746 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some bizarre reason I have to write blog posts about computer science for my uni course) < 1384819532 817274 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also comment on other people's blog) < 1384819536 449173 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384819547 535755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why don't you figure out chu spaces for me instead < 1384819554 101433 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me and some friends are writing controversial posts because they are easy to comment on) < 1384819555 818259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(checkmate) < 1384819564 328179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Wow, no break-in period! < 1384819570 892159 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm writing one about why Haskell's a great language, and one of my friends is writing a similar post about C++) < 1384819586 295435 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* C++? < 1384819609 298054 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, he has similar opinions of Haskell as I do of C++ < 1384819643 189703 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, as long as we can provide citations, easy-to-disagree-with is good < 1384819828 445988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you place your order, you can select our cable break-in service, selectable through a drop down box in the shopping cart for that cable product. Prices vary with the cable model and level of break-in desired." < 1384819846 413141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our cables require a total of 400 to 500 hours to completely break in. If you ordered our 2 day cable break-in service, your cables will arrive with the equivalent of 96 hours on them. If you ordered the extended 5 day breakin, the equivalent of 240 hours will be on them." < 1384819886 533674 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that’s customer service. < 1384819934 453513 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments: Personally i think this cable is so fast it has changed the phase relationship (or corrected it) by 180 degrees above 60hz, the bass is so tight it sounds like the bass is coming from my speakers. < 1384819975 44648 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-161.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384819980 940730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: And it only costs $25 bucks for the 5-day extended breakin! (Two days is free!) < 1384819991 546700 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa! What a bargain! < 1384820013 614122 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-161.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384820118 740223 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384820165 925688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20009082-47.html CNET teaches you the difference between analog and digital: digital is dotted. < 1384820180 973183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choice quote: "Every sound you hear in real life that doesn't come out of a speaker is analog." < 1384820205 932389 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theoretically have an infinite resolution", nice < 1384820259 631319 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1384820303 850890 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analog is always "on," digital is either on or off. < 1384820326 494314 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol this is great < 1384820339 978539 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :go over the advantages of digital and then be like "but anyway analog sounds better" < 1384820344 92971 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :"analog", "infinite resolution" what? < 1384820349 34028 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Like, Cold And Impersonal, Man < 1384820366 508516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I end up on an audiophile web-crawl I get this feeling maybe we should just get rid of ears in general. < 1384820372 357814 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "CDs have a 16-bit resolution and DVD-Audio discs can be encoded with a maximum of 24-bit resolution" < 1384820385 455739 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even ignoring the band-limitedness of human senses, reality is quantised. < 1384820412 266242 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sigh. < 1384820421 416082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Analog recording's theoretically infinite resolution refers to its continuity, compared with digital's on/off sampled nature." See, it's that simple. < 1384820434 891710 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame elementary signal processing is relatively obscure. < 1384820447 30542 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shannon is my god, man < 1384820476 608742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't accusing anyone *here* of being this ignorant. Just CNET. :) < 1384820489 841218 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i know less signal processing than i'd like :( < 1384820501 278525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Anyway they both "still fall short in creating truly life-like sound", so you can use either. < 1384820528 44168 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goodness < 1384820557 170267 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yeah, but you at least know Shannon. < 1384820582 650336 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :neuronal coding is kind of awesomely all over the place btw, sometimes it reasonably makes sense as frequency coding and sometimes a transient stimulus of one photon causes a response < 1384820615 753036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1384820619 882991 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helmc < 1384820628 17169 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kello? < 1384820632 607029 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably also know about quantization noise. < 1384820634 385604 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be what's after jello < 1384820666 619163 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not by that name, at least :/ < 1384820680 67180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: g'daymc < 1384820697 551701 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quantization_error.png oh, yeah, that's simple enough < 1384820703 171091 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384820713 114486 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly another data point (!) saying analog is superior. < 1384820720 335711 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.255 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384820744 851427 :Darklust!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384820934 433097 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cept that quantization noise, for 16-bit audio, is like -90 dB. < 1384820968 520276 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that might be the lowest dB measurement i've ever heard of < 1384821027 657329 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that here the maximum volume is 0 dB. < 1384821062 594598 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 24-bit noise floor is, uh, -145 dB. < 1384821074 53307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rane.com/pi14.html heh :) < 1384821082 399641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look at that list of features.) < 1384821083 526632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :24-bit isn't (16-bit) * 1.5? < 1384821107 675035 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: No, each extra bit doubles the precision of the samples. < 1384821123 521372 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 90 ** 1.5 < 1384821124 901177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 853.8149682454624 < 1384821125 59056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, in db < 1384821133 426699 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1384821142 629244 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (**) < 1384821143 414543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a -> a < 1384821148 867617 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 8-bit is 45db and 16-bit is 90db would 24-bit be 135...? < 1384821152 795760 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have underestimated **1.5. < 1384821175 517702 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It'd be, like, log_10(2^8)? < 1384821214 451973 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: niiiiice < 1384821248 106123 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, except that a change by a factor of 10 is a 10dB change. < 1384821259 144222 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that'd be... 10*log_10(2^8)? < 1384821300 767313 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... 24 dB? Hum. < 1384821325 329158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20*, I believe. Because of power/magnitude and blahblah. < 1384821333 556570 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, 20* < 1384821345 888508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pagnitude < 1384821349 833286 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it work. 48dB. < 1384821376 493271 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the actual number for 16 bits is -96 dB, so hey. < 1384821404 128648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0.5*96 is 48. :p < 1384821408 566629 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup! < 1384821453 610192 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, a vuvuzela is 120dB. < 1384821458 766002 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know dB are just as confusing as the last time i cared about dB < 1384821498 323882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo use cents instead? < 1384821516 781069 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mo < 1384821518 171168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1200 cents/octave, it's perfect < 1384821519 731695 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cB? < 1384821531 938194 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the unit where you use e? nats? < 1384821551 149425 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... yeah. 16-bit 44.1 kHz is perfect for those of us who don't care about listening to the grand vuvuzela orchestra at actual volume. < 1384821551 757356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was nats for information... < 1384821552 197447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use e < 1384821552 593028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the power being compared to again when using a dB value as an “absolute” value? < 1384821554 886439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unnatural < 1384821577 585400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's the e-bit, yes. < 1384821577 806151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you learned about chu spaces yet < 1384821585 759382 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i care about chu spaces < 1384821594 251916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're great < 1384821626 969286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on they generalize topological spaces and vector spaces and a zillion things apparently?? < 1384821663 985085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's very context-dependent. < 1384821674 236862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, uh, games? < 1384821684 663206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i don't know that's why you read these papers for me < 1384821686 290142 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 µPa 10e−12 W/m² or 10e−12 W apparently. < 1384821696 951730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i want to generalize all those things though < 1384821697 607675 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :comma after the µPa < 1384821702 701802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the usual for dBA. < 1384821717 312989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is also A-weighted.) < 1384821730 637711 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asking due to For comparison, a vuvuzela is 120dB. < 1384821737 488148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1384821744 957883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you generalize anything < 1384821750 269958 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384821757 35010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw a chu space is just a matrix < 1384821762 361161 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1384821765 481788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Ah. Well, if you set the noise floor of a CD at 0, the loudest sound it can represent is 96dB. < 1384821766 531129 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What chu say? < 1384821786 51140 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :differentiation is just a matrix. < 1384821795 28035 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Matrix is just a matrix. < 1384821797 830905 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, is there an algebraic structure that captures the idea of 'complemet'? I've been thinking some about that < 1384821804 86283 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity is just a matrix < 1384821817 78324 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :complement* even < 1384821822 115344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "acoustic decibel" zero is (very) approximately at the threshold of hearing. < 1384821833 134691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be very approximate indeed < 1384821939 96784 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384821976 863777 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The figures get better with noise shaping. (you can make the quantization noise lie in bands humans don't hear so well, making the *effective* noise floor in the bands we care about lower; about -120dB) < 1384821977 835424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very. But it's at least some sort of a justification for the level. < 1384822071 529886 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, never mind my earlier line.. < 1384822178 339445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: differentiation is just a matrix? < 1384822240 271680 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a linear operator < 1384822319 803989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with an infinite-dimensional vector spaces? < 1384822338 486171 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, f(x+ε)=f(x)+f'(x)ε... < 1384822376 865510 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes? < 1384822388 12874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even have a basis < 1384822388 900992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1384822420 161020 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you could extrapolate the duals to infinite-dimensional vector spaces. < 1384822471 210369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have one delta function for every real (or w/e) < 1384822536 758746 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also do something easier like just polynomials, if you want, i guess. < 1384822993 860458 :Darklust!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384823128 335948 :Darklust!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384823304 596141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh, http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Chu+construction < 1384823980 519811 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384824070 813358 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384825922 973123 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384826347 695399 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I never wrote one, but Saizan or xplat might have < 1384826396 985412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Well, do you know anything good about that category? < 1384826459 924184 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what are objects and morphisms in it? < 1384826472 951646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects are categories, morphisms are pairs of adjoint functors. < 1384826545 567588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pick which direction it goes -- let's say an adjunction : C ~~> D is a pair (F : D -> C, G : C -> D, F -| G) < 1384826552 701354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it goes in the direction of the right adjoint. < 1384826625 465716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there are no functor to the empty category, I guess there are no adjunctions either to or from it. < 1384826663 345075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adjunctions to/from a singleton category correspond to terminal/initial objects in the other category. < 1384827016 650269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in general adjunctions are weird so I don't know. < 1384827123 137886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have products or something? Certainly it doesn't have an initial/terminal object. < 1384828125 447886 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-161.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384828168 98005 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1384828327 715205 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-145.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384828427 355948 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-18-196.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384828948 714624 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384829005 701022 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1384829020 560954 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to think about it some more < 1384829121 297604 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's complaint about Elixir arguably applies to Rust < 1384829130 145779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps less so, but still applies IMO < 1384829308 330772 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were complaining about rebindable variables. Not about making mutable structures with them (which I had previously strawmanned that sort of complaint as), but about being able to read a code and finding where the variables it mentions are adjusted. < 1384829342 236309 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it seems to me that Rust owned pointers, even non-mut, could still end up changing between declaration and use, and that that needs to be known. Although getting that wrong is a compile-time error, so it's less bad < 1384829391 542181 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384829629 852557 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384829989 248892 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1384830027 398230 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out if there's some set of numbers where evaluating if a number is in that set is turing complete < 1384830087 33364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a recursive set? < 1384830088 897621 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aside from encoding a program in some real language into a number and then the number is in the set if it runs) < 1384830108 77801 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would have to be a recursive set yeah < 1384830123 449112 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe it's possible to do it with a plain function < 1384830210 615866 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something in the style of the collatz sequence < 1384830641 582285 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384830714 959342 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1384830778 917241 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384831026 343887 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg bike can you give me an estimate of when the ai winter began and ended? < 1384831057 550583 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no good with dates. < 1384831084 699570 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should make a bot that takes messages beginning with space < 1384831088 761227 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks < 1384831101 789855 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia would probably be better than me. < 1384831177 443858 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says 87 to 93 < 1384831198 484103 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have to find more modern paper to read then < 1384831208 843051 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper on what? < 1384831366 663393 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case knowledge representation, but I'm trying to get familiar with case based reasoning < 1384831410 403098 :Darklust!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god < 1384831421 894849 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the rdf docs or whatever < 1384831479 711155 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to avoid learning more than a rough overview knowledge representation < 1384831520 793752 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontology is a word that gives me a slight rash < 1384831599 792969 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384831611 320397 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: then i recommend "Ramón Llull's Thinking Machine" and "John Wilkins' Analytical Language". < 1384831616 811654 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1384831619 317469 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1384831626 808719 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS < 1384831692 379061 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops capslock < 1384831715 479516 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-18-196.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384831723 257590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE WELCOME < 1384832371 914794 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF_qQYrCcns < 1384833583 116235 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome hackego < 1384833585 553767 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ） < 1384835651 787243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s waisis < 1384835700 842867 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric < 1384835727 439527 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's Japanese < 1384837095 75642 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there is a book series about sexual encounters with dinosaurs < 1384837163 802676 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/10-real-book-covers-from-dinosaur-on-human-sex-novels/ < 1384837669 552447 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384837975 695987 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks truncated. "irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）" it should be. < 1384837989 144602 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in fact I thought that's what I had typed when I wrote that. < 1384838011 438508 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the purpose of `wercome < 1384838022 479059 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME < 1384838025 20576 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: . (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1384838106 956349 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, is the "hackego: " text what made it too long? < 1384838107 267668 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wwalcome < 1384838108 588699 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wwalcome: not found < 1384838110 37841 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome < 1384838112 445195 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ） < 1384838112 820993 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls w* < 1384838114 457451 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access w*: No such file or directory < 1384838117 344124 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is. < 1384838118 577965 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha. < 1384838121 450473 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /bin/w* < 1384838123 9331 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin/w*: No such file or directory < 1384838129 783672 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin/w* < 1384838131 907379 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/which < 1384838142 572058 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls w* < 1384838144 353823 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf instead. < 1384838162 916444 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah certainly wisdom starts with w. < 1384838179 435391 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welkom < 1384838180 513353 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welkom: not found < 1384838185 730992 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`Welkom < 1384838186 773424 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Welkom: not found < 1384838188 744841 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1384838194 691774 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384838326 798117 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384838334 562993 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Welkom < 1384838336 742886 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welkom bij het internationaal centrum voor het ontwerpen en implementeren van esoterische programmeertalen! Voor meer informatie, bezoek de wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Voor de andere soort esoterie is er #esoteric op irc.dal.net.) < 1384838362 219030 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384838482 753977 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384838625 240152 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384840129 750881 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384841203 109377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Btw, is there an algebraic structure that captures the idea of 'complemet'? I've been thinking some about that" boolean algebra maybe? < 1384841450 394142 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1384841510 360258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(" a recursive set?" being recursive is an _upper_ bound for complexity) < 1384841532 534992 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384841929 695936 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384842158 23133 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1384842223 412907 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384842497 180163 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp pikhq < 1384842504 568220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does * not work in filenames with mv? < 1384842682 342053 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384842973 186247 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -d w* < 1384842975 171339 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf instead. < 1384843023 872203 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls . < 1384843025 885227 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdsmreclist \ bi \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ file \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ mind \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1384843064 423885 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384843067 741368 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1384843085 611343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome adu < 1384843088 409062 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09adu: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1384843154 185315 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1384843173 135425 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried deploying a language once < 1384843183 368666 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get very far < 1384843225 579335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. must have been a very complicated language. < 1384843233 680908 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a scheme clone < 1384843236 503354 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://andydude.github.io/droscheme/ < 1384843254 50892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am deploying right now, and in under a week, i have a working prototype and a boatload of example programs) < 1384843267 139244 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1384843281 274929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the language is danged simple) < 1384843284 637110 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more interested in metaprogramming now < 1384843311 272117 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a complete numerical tower < 1384843322 847456 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: up to complex < 1384843328 504373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1384843331 86073 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strict rationals < 1384843351 230003 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some schemes do 1/2 => 0.5, which is not using a rational object < 1384843368 833574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should there be a difference in a high level language < 1384843385 781284 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm < 1384843388 235952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you imply that precision is lost < 1384843396 417323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some operations < 1384843404 979127 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not precision that's lost, it's exactness that's lost < 1384843418 919055 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the difference < 1384843421 809893 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384843428 318336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i do but i still don't know what you mean < 1384843429 99226 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precision is continuous < 1384843432 847749 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactness is binary < 1384843447 901883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1384843459 877609 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, you could make the argument that exactness is infinite precision < 1384843468 21469 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, 0.33333... does not equal 1/3 no matter how many 3's you put < 1384843473 72810 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384843500 646961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, if you say exactness is infinite precision, then precision is also lost < 1384843563 671851 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, droscheme is also an experiment in metaprogramming for me < 1384843567 628298 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler is at least < 1384843573 875005 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exactness is binary" do you mean to be exact is to conform to the ieee specification? < 1384843781 427530 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1384843801 899445 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ieee specifies operations within a given preciison < 1384843838 429618 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you do (acos -1), then even though -1 is an exact number, the output will be inexact, i.e.: pi < 1384843881 915299 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever double-precision object best represents pi < 1384843916 282765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i made this minigolf "game" some weeks ago, where there are some lines and a ball bounces off of them < 1384843933 809376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 11 bounces, the number usually has something like 100 digits < 1384843955 345281 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the position & direction < 1384843967 986501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numbers representing those i mean < 1384843980 137997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean the numerator and denominator of those numbers < 1384844005 34039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is rationals are funnnn < 1384844018 536355 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384844048 140248 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of things I wanted to try out was the whole "exact real" concept < 1384844065 536752 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially how Mathematica does things < 1384844107 575251 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is stored symbolically, then when you ask for 50 decimal places, it calculates everything, then when you ask for 2000 decimal places, it calculates it again from scratch < 1384844116 989114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hope was to make a puzzle game where you have to solve hole-in-one problems, where some of the levels can be passed only if you solve some big math conjecture < 1384844160 160502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently such systems are not known to be able to simulate turing machines < 1384844178 64423 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1384844180 813862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a closely related model is one where for each wall you have a specific direction in which the ball bounces < 1384844195 854807 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of an episode of Elementary < 1384844198 37204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in mine, it's a "physically correct" bounce) < 1384844216 325675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the closely related model, apparently from 3d on you can simulate arbitrary computation < 1384844233 30338 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with rotational momentum and table-top friction? < 1384844248 557304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what if some of the walls are interlinked, so that a bounce against one wall removes another wall and causes a third to pop-up. i bet you could do arbitrary circuits that way. < 1384844251 445439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a reflection over the normal < 1384844254 389002 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the quotes < 1384844263 682576 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or portals < 1384844314 871015 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: surely, but that's not as cool as having a turing machine running in the decimal extension of your rationals. < 1384844338 840685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe it would let you have that too < 1384844371 414991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1384844381 634862 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm, couldn't you simulate fractran by clever wall placement? < 1384844407 169088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's pretty much what has been done in 3d for the one with bounces in constant directions < 1384844420 748294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1384844428 656461 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except usually people simulate affine functions < 1384844430 439257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1384844458 528875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddyacallem functions which are affine in some way in some places and affine in another way in other places. < 1384844495 305397 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a 2d vector of rationals represent the left and right tail of the turing machine < 1384844504 98131 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think maybe you could do it in 3D with "physical" bounces < 1384844505 624205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1384844515 601180 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tails of the infinite configuration < 1384844534 297516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but do you have a specific idea? < 1384844563 747438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea for a divisibility test... < 1384844598 225999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw a quick sketch in your favorite 3d modeling program < 1384844603 450927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1384844617 858506 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't 3d modeling. and i don't have a computer cable of it anyway. < 1384844623 819860 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cable? < 1384844630 899918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer cable of 3d modeling < 1384844633 810143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384844634 208310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm mm mm < 1384844639 860679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the most important part < 1384844719 249829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d modeling doesn't need a fancy computer, realistic rendering does < 1384844740 16643 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :capable? < 1384844745 387492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384844748 456762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes adu yes < 1384844757 843028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for your kind help with my condition < 1384844780 285461 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah there is pretty much no nice and easy way to do 3d modeling afaik (let alone nd) < 1384844780 667754 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384844799 973231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :say compared to opening paint and drawing a 2d image < 1384844803 631814 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there is one easy way, it's called photogrammetry < 1384844819 829167 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay photogram me something quickly < 1384844830 798924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah oklopol just build a real one and photogrammeter it into a model! < 1384844847 840205 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :photogrammetry requires specialized tools that convert static images from multiple angles into a 3D model for you < 1384844872 447442 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any such tools < 1384844878 899197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also oklopol i like oklopol saying oklopol your name oklopol too many times oklopol in a sentence oklopol. oklopol! < 1384844895 617569 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/ultracam/en-us/umap20.aspx < 1384844900 142511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i just made your name banal < 1384844920 392004 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/ddd.png < 1384844923 509303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you explain Clue (oklopol) to me, oklopol? your description on the wiki is nonsense < 1384844924 110246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so much faster < 1384844937 863255 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you are done < 1384844965 394982 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: awwww < 1384844989 887340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1384844994 384747 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I can't, I don't have the software < 1384845059 145766 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you have to get special software and i bet it takes seconds and seconds to open when you double-click it so you will never bother to use it. < 1384845069 106715 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :paint on the other hand < 1384845071 592217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's so nice < 1384845076 328059 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384845089 542631 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Gimp < 1384845104 489309 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do things in Gimp that will make you weep < 1384845124 50160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i need to do: paint pixels, paint straight lines < 1384845176 139435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things of importance: the program takes less than 3 seconds to open < 1384845183 766618 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a busy and important guy < 1384845188 122082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my programs need to respect that < 1384845224 75912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really get gimp, iirc last time i tried it took me a week to find an actual brush < 1384845289 349390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, i'm pretty sure it's possible in 3D with "physical bounces" if you're allowed infinite walls and infinite cups. i just designed one in my head. it only uses 90 degree bounces. < 1384845318 908714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite walls? < 1384845344 868790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cups sound dangerous < 1384845348 418199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i left out one part of the design, but yes what i have requires there be an infinite number of walls < 1384845354 812367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does infinite walls mean infinitely many walls? < 1384845366 539630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why do you need infinite size < 1384845367 165343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cups as in holes as in "hole in one" < 1384845372 836425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1384845406 383879 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch that you are not doing the computation in the presentation of the number, but in the large scale location of the ball < 1384845413 337133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting the ball in the hole is the halting condition right < 1384845417 372754 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384845432 921286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you try to describe what's going on < 1384845433 82842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i am. i can't think in terms of the position numbers < 1384845471 943229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the position of the ball on the x axis is your number n (in fractran) < 1384845486 542703 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just using integer positions you know < 1384845492 536822 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty < 1384845519 754660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it bounces ziggity zag parallel to the y, then z, then y, then z axes < 1384845543 446230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :every wall that turns it from y towards z has holes in it every kth integer < 1384845562 577741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the first wall has even/odd holes, the second open-closed-closed, etc. < 1384845587 301946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where k is one of the denominators of one of the fractions < 1384845591 511992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sequence < 1384845625 479503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the first fraction it comes to that divides it, it will pass through the wall and keep traveling down the y axis < 1384845625 656989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :got some breakfast, will now read your formal proof < 1384845725 122686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and it bounces ziggity zag parallel to the y, then z, then y, then z axes" can you clarify this < 1384845727 601049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it hits a wall that turns it to the left, towards the yz plane with a y value corresponding to the product of the fraction and the number < 1384845743 358278 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it looks like this: < 1384845748 954234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the side) < 1384845753 906006 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1384845756 315901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which way is y) < 1384845762 931193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\ < 1384845765 750043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : \\ < 1384845768 714971 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : \\ < 1384845781 894210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1384845814 192793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i'll be able to describe it in words :/ < 1384845878 290841 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway i believe it's doable if you allow that sort of stuff < 1384845905 593296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sort of stuff with infinite boards might certainly make an interesting game < 1384845909 692472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how you'd do it encoding the data in the digits after the decimal < 1384845959 342202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, i've asked 2 professors and another researcher sofar < 1384845967 365317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can you explain clue please < 1384845968 973134 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first said it's clearly undecidable in 2d < 1384845977 222680 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we then later agreed maybe it's not known < 1384846009 294092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second said http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IlluminationProblem.html < 1384846015 906544 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1384846065 558100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh er clue < 1384846069 127692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clue is awesome < 1384846078 434453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you wanna know < 1384846109 896853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really make a more serious version of it, and a documentation that actually documentates something < 1384846209 522454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how you define a function by examples < 1384846212 6313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1384846244 154658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i want a function that ... squares negative numbers and square roots positive numbers < 1384846257 596576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would i specify that and how would the compiler figure out that's what i want < 1384846309 769367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder where clue.rar is nowadays. < 1384846339 506345 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have to know the exact recursive algorithm < 1384846354 547461 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue doesn't figure that out, it just saves you the trouble of actually writing it down < 1384846359 571042 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue < 1384846363 986285 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384846372 690277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue_(oklopol) < 1384846374 744244 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is keymaker? < 1384846404 773612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another finnish guy < 1384846408 462451 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes visits the channel < 1384846447 596109 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: writing mathematical functions might be tricky < 1384846473 532444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the end condition for the recursion is complicated (some error is small enough) < 1384846485 92950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could give the comparison operator and the epsilon value as helpers < 1384846490 268135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might figure it out eventually < 1384846558 126108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you have . a -> b things and you have :. c -> d : e -> f things, and you have a list of helper functions < 1384846576 502070 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, the compiler figures out how, using the helper functions, you can separate things like a from things like c or e < 1384846595 950325 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, doesn't need to separate e sorry < 1384846603 606256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a is where recursion should stop, and c is where recursion should happen < 1384846624 182507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1384846625 262322 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384846659 536872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how easy this of course depends on what sort of helper functions you have (i think the reference function mostly had list operations and some integer operations) < 1384846675 126552 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can of course also use your own functions as helpers) < 1384846685 287482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference function? does this still exist? < 1384846716 327339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference function? < 1384846727 735431 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1384846741 529806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an example i can see? < 1384846747 506460 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1384846755 400102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue_(oklopol)/Quicksort < 1384846765 50479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this compiled in less than a minute iirc < 1384846775 975931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort ~ {. [] -> [] } < 1384846779 231788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :base case 1 < 1384846785 607843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort ~ {. [1] -> [1] . [2] -> [2] } base case 2 < 1384846799 736218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one is enough, the other is basically just a comment.) < 1384846858 465045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{:. [4 2 3 1] -> [1 2 3 4] < 1384846858 622669 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : : [2 3 1] -> [1 2 3] < 1384846858 622838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : : [] -> [] < 1384846861 914553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says < 1384846883 82244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get [4 2 3 1] as input, you should somehow get [2 3 1] out of it and [] out of it < 1384846900 657954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you somehow patch up [1 2 3 4] from [4 2 3 1] and [1 2 3] and [] < 1384846950 502487 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.228 QUIT :Quit: adu < 1384846955 674726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it just does that same thing for all inputs < 1384846961 216437 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually it just works < 1384846981 867582 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually = in the three or so examples in the history of mankind that have been implemented) < 1384847025 380995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue_(oklopol)/SKI_calculus this was a bit trickier because you have to go very deep into the list, and the main logic ski apply has many many branches < 1384847034 892601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deep into the input list) < 1384847049 415620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that, iirc, took like 10 minutes to compile < 1384847086 403350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so did you figure out adjunctions < 1384847144 85213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll < 1384847146 651416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384847240 742305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1384847424 572116 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384847598 468784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort helper ~ {. [1 2 3] [4 8 9] [5 6 7] -> [1 2 3 4 5 6 7] } < 1384847598 663046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksort helper ~ car; quicksort append < 1384847626 868804 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you need to know exactly what you want to happen and write helper functions for random subprograms < 1384847855 371139 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they mean “transmission”. http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/451779723596490868/3CCEC987D1FC8666EEE0A0BB1B0C69EA5093FF0E/ < 1384847919 122710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"throwing a SHA5 up" < 1384847971 549889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "RE: (no subject)". That's some realism there. < 1384848157 812838 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and top-posting, too < 1384849014 923418 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384849151 651589 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384850099 107562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384850224 678772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1384850224 874714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie asked 10h 17m 2s ago: Hey, do you Norweggers have some sort of logical rules when you use "på" and when "i" when you're explaining where someone/something is? (In Finnish the two suffixes - < 1384850225 32979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssa/ssä and -lla/llä seem to be used pretty much randomly, but OTOH all Swedish examples I could think of were pretty logical; mostly "i", and then "på" for things like islands.) < 1384850311 215444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Sorry, i vs. på in norwegian place names is like a whole extra random gender... there are heuristics, but they sure aren't reliable. < 1384850311 410477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384850410 762007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tel fizzie *gender system < 1384850410 919626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384851062 136167 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384851263 408243 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384851287 509577 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the language again where everything is a string? < 1384851353 832755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcl? < 1384851377 617790 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find that on the eso wiki < 1384851384 104131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not esoteric :P < 1384851400 695923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try /// then :) < 1384851428 245826 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s not esoteric? ;-) < 1384851470 382840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, thue, and a heap of variants of either. < 1384851499 89324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok i guess /// has only one variant that i can recall) < 1384851505 887330 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue it was. /// is interesting though < 1384851514 447787 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1384851807 798092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1384852093 428704 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1384853919 68518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Every time I end up on an audiophile web-crawl I get this feeling maybe we should just get rid of ears in general. < 1384853925 977000 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1135) Every time I end up on an audiophile web-crawl I get this feeling maybe we should just get rid of ears in general. < 1384854883 930697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell firefly Btw, is there an algebraic structure that captures the idea of 'complemet'? I've been thinking some about that <-- complement _alone_ seems to have no other algebraic property than c(c(x)) = x, which is called an _involution_. < 1384854884 86284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384854957 234863 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massage-loud < 1384854957 392684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1m 13s ago: Btw, is there an algebraic structure that captures the idea of 'complemet'? I've been thinking some about that <-- complement _alone_ seems to have no other < 1384854957 550189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebraic property than c(c(x)) = x, which is called an _involution_. < 1384854991 231562 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess I should've been more specific, but it turns out what I was thinking of is a complemented lattice, I think < 1384855024 180497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in fact it's an example in wikipedia's involution page. < 1384855033 956904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1384856355 386053 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1384856597 629946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good. < 1384856637 184472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A reasonably easy-to-find and vegetarian-friendly Indian restaurant in Umeda. Mina, the proprietress, speaks excellent English. Vegetarian curry is available on request.Note that this shop no longer exist. Set meals from ¥1554, curries from ¥1050, beers from ¥525." < 1384856641 199322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love wikis < 1384856673 382587 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1384856767 596445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if x86 is turing complete with only instructions «mov dword [dest], imm» and «jmp [src]» but allowing self-mod < 1384856773 394147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifying of those operands <-- well, I'm pretty sure it's not < 1384856787 901249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ignoring the finite-pointer-size problem < 1384856804 213908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a finite program will contain only a finite set of numbers and there's no way to make new numbers < 1384856948 698046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't have a handle on whether "Turing complete except for finite memory" can be formalized as something other than "finite state machine", even though it's something people talk about all the time < 1384856997 595695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually think in terms of "would be turing complete given infinite memory" < 1384857001 355722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you talk about your language interacting with an external tape device, then the language only needs to provide a finite state machine < 1384857062 201169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess to formalize a statement like "C is Turing complete" you would talk about a family of languages C_i where sizeof(void *) = i, and require that the languages have a uniform description (for example, a log-space TM that given i acts as an interpreter for C_i) < 1384857072 207506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to the way circuit complexity classes work < 1384857119 753807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the "log-space" is doing there.
< 1384857125 470446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that "given infinite memory" doesn't have an obvious meaning in all cases, such as C where sizeof(void *) must be finite < 1384857146 897884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shrug, it's standard for circuit classes, it shouldn't be necessary if we are talking only about computability and not complexity < 1384857150 385990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "why not" < 1384857155 725938 :darklust_!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384857255 491800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people talk about C being TC with fseek(SEEK_CUR) and ignoring ftell(), but I think that would be the case even if the core of C were a finite state machine with a fixed IO pipeline < 1384857266 770804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause the control unit of a TM is a FSM < 1384857358 294730 :Darklust!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384857472 38774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically C is hideously overqualified to be TC "if you add infinite memory", and therefore that variation of TC-ness is uninteresting. < 1384858061 554210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe C is a bad benchmark because it's not even almost-TC (fsvo almost that's relevant for other languages) < 1384858178 890942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds... unlikely. < 1384858344 769768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by it's not even almost-TC? < 1384858377 432174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to imagine a language that is _more_ almost-TC without being TC. < 1384858439 389621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think "add a tape" doesn't work because then the language only needs to be a FSM < 1384858504 908377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to talk about extending the original language's storage primitives to accommodate unbounded storage, without changing their character < 1384858554 485878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh jackhammer < 1384858581 525239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like jerkhammer < 1384858598 163589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1384858599 852899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever used a jackhammer? well I haven't but I did use a hammer drill for a while < 1384858605 23553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was p. fun < 1384858607 834653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a few minutes anyway < 1384858691 144583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see we had this tradition where the freshman build a fortified bunker in one of the dorms at the end of the school year < 1384858726 464990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then all of the people who were really gung ho about this being a good idea skipped town immediately after < 1384858742 548096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it became my responsibility by default to demolish the bunker < 1384858760 892435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you haven't been the same since. < 1384858801 409806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyway a significant part of it, being a 10cm thick door-size slab of reïnforced concrete in a doorway < 1384858876 279426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a ```special trick''' which was to put some of the rebar inside conduit so that if you cut into the conduit with an angle grinder, you'll just spin the rebar inside it without cutting into the rebar < 1384858890 285918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another ```special trick''' was to put some shaving cream cans inside the concrete < 1384858968 320694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling "10cm" finds on the first page "Is it true that the vagina is only 10 cm (3.9 inches) deep?" < 1384858984 744348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed: freshmen are insane < 1384858991 304103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes "the vagina", the international reference vagina kept at the Bureau international des poids et mesures under precise climate control < 1384859038 884667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote googling "10cm" finds on the first page "Is it true that the vagina is only 10 cm (3.9 inches) deep?" ah yes "the vagina", the international reference vagina kept at the Bureau international des poids et mesures under precise climate control < 1384859043 160323 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1136) googling "10cm" finds on the first page "Is it true that the vagina is only 10 cm (3.9 inches) deep?" ah yes "the vagina", the international reference vagina kept at the Bureau international des poids et mesures under precise climate control < 1384859107 874440 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384859185 843584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the house put significant effort into selecting the kind of freshman who think this sounds like a great idea < 1384859215 632680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should say "freshmen and freshwomen" although the colloquial "frosh" is nicely un-gendered < 1384859226 517789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, to be young again, and also a robot < 1384859233 83364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :freshpeople < 1384859251 261776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell madbr or something in the style of the collatz sequence <-- collatz functions, see our wiki. you are _not_ going to escape the "encoding a program" part when you prove something actually _is_ TC, though. < 1384859251 419668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1384859399 424474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that had to be futurama. < 1384861518 431469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384862910 670666 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384863062 235758 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384863191 712708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384863418 536621 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384863536 586565 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384864368 690755 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384865751 775637 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384866105 116496 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh JOIN :#esoteric < 1384866112 616720 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :New idea for a language. I call it BodyMindLang < 1384866116 94847 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1 < 1384866116 260006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384866117 831289 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> true < 1384866120 833913 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 2 < 1384866123 658741 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384866123 817263 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> true < 1384866140 140645 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1 and not 2 < 1384866142 620996 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> true < 1384866159 207061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good true morning! < 1384866178 442492 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1384866996 308665 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384867896 683965 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, poor yorick < 1384867934 267534 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :He shall be missed. < 1384867951 798676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lobs a strangely misshapen, not-quite-from-this-Earth cranium over at lexande
< 1384867971 960593 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hops on his Bike
< 1384868561 747077 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384869414 387287 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MOUNTAIN BICYCLIST < 1384869416 658199 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1384869442 972977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🚵 < 1384869444 863265 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+D83D DUNNO] [U+DEB5 DUNNO] < 1384869452 982617 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1384869464 86783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice dunno. < 1384869595 313574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very non-BMP-friendly, because of an UCS-2 Python build. < 1384869666 224796 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384870391 473395 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this coallier person seems pretty douchey, wtf < 1384870638 52887 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 北北 < 1384870639 925760 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+5317 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5317] [U+F963 CJK COMPATIBILITY IDEOGRAPH-F963] < 1384870676 397200 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchy names < 1384870695 9673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yup < 1384870735 523378 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god, Bike you're a real person? Sorry for sitting on you mate < 1384870753 542402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a real bike < 1384870766 32092 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a reeeeeal hero < 1384870799 298986 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1384870802 401869 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you say man < 1384870984 898560 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384871007 279182 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you say bike < 1384871016 288306 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8 < 1384872388 192728 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1384872731 692669 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1384873032 841843 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384874519 359809 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384874968 348436 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384875275 305097 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is a real hero? < 1384875373 185662 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-145.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384875772 341772 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384875990 405740 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1384876090 873744 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384876270 146714 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1384876283 947218 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: Bike is everything. Bike is the Whole Experience of the Universe. Bike has two wheels. < 1384876315 728423 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384876359 350117 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384876359 568472 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384876359 870774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384876360 37487 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384876360 214264 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1384876372 408414 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384876780 243806 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e < 1384876927 373964 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384877813 751582 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1384877982 363869 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384878131 238353 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1384878859 219222 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the registers initialized at anything in particular in x86? < 1384878884 606307 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess some are like the instruction pointer and such, but what about the rest < 1384878897 162953 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the address of the stack and such < 1384879023 741082 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org NICK :polytone < 1384879200 231778 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they at 0 on power on and initialized by the BIOS? < 1384879465 681903 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the initial value was undefined...? Just some random value? < 1384879480 835049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of it is defined. < 1384879519 30813 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I remember they're condensators (kinda), so I would guess that either they are drained on power off or left at the old value < 1384879524 537181 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess either 0 or random < 1384879528 839510 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know which < 1384879537 572855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (somewhat dated) copy of the AMD64 Architecture Programming Manual has a section 14.1.3 Processor Initialisation state. < 1384879543 581304 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know if it's initialized at anything by BIOS < 1384879550 742654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :registers are static RAM so they're logic gates in a feedback configuration, not capacitors < 1384879557 796061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: may be completely wrong < 1384879593 650452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at minimum CS will be initialized in addition to IP < 1384879604 218777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so CS is 0xF000, other segment registers are 0, RAX is 0, RDX contains some CPU ID information, other basic registers are 0 ... < 1384879618 998535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are either 0, 1, random, undefined, unknown or blueberry flavoured. < 1384879625 230807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and RIP is 0xFFF0. < 1384879639 643194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even flags are defined :) < 1384879645 806213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the CPU ID info useful for? < 1384879655 24952 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAX? < 1384879672 624447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAX is the x86-64 64 bit version of AX/EAX. < 1384879677 141324 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1384879688 652586 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most doc I've seen stops at 32 < 1384879688 810326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the flags register must be defined to successfully execute an instruction < 1384879694 797421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like trap flag = 0 < 1384879706 975796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, those processor manuals are the right place to look up such information :) < 1384879749 173180 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what exactly does the stack definition do in the assembly? < 1384879758 214657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1384879758 702922 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .stack 256 or whatever it may be < 1384879768 854352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, which assembler? < 1384879769 12433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rflags is essentially set to 0, but there's a reserved bit that is forced to be 1 :) ) < 1384879783 683955 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the general purpose is to define the size of the stack, but how does that translate in the processor? < 1384879786 52547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also has anyone seen the electrical datasheet for a current Intel / AMD processor? with like a thousand entry pinout list? :) < 1384879786 211019 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 8086 < 1384879789 728357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those public? < 1384879800 794427 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're public enough? < 1384879803 343966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no, what assembler program < 1384879811 501193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: well have you seen one? < 1384879818 982863 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just assume kinda < 1384879825 610690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :u make an ass out of u and me < 1384879826 180028 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it might be hard to program anything on them < 1384879847 45429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have seen the pinout list for a recent-ish socket, but not a full datasheet < 1384879851 16472 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The examples I see are usually in Borland C < 1384879862 109853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no, the architecture manuals are enough to do programming < 1384879874 42929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to know the electrical specifications of the particular chip your code is executing on < 1384879881 57417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...usually < 1384879903 936295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. no I have not seen any detailed electrical datasheets. Then again, I've never really looked for them. < 1384879911 998984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you look up the datasheet for (say) an 8-bit AVR microcontroller, it has info both on "this instruction does that" and also "this pin needs this many volts" < 1384879950 510301 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't they have to give such things to the patent office? < 1384879962 344108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but with those guys (embedded processors) you are you are quite likely to be your own motherboard manufacturer. < 1384879965 332786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1384879987 162667 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't know < 1384879987 973444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents are pretty general, you don't need to submit detailed specs of every product which invokes the patent, I don't think < 1384880000 691818 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never know with those fucks < 1384880033 309929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: only if you patent them, and even then you don't have to describe anything at the packaging level (which pin does what). And you can split features into many patents (signaling on busses, communicating with memory, etc.) < 1384880051 389263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: and I don't know about your .stack; googling with "borland C" doesn't find anything, and it's not something I recall from any assembler I've used < 1384880073 795077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, MASM has a .STACK: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bffws6w0(v=vs.71).aspx < 1384880086 187795 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prism2.mem.drexel.edu/~rares/asm4.htm < for instance < 1384880091 711582 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MODEL small < 1384880091 869148 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STACK 266 < 1384880097 616790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr-: Yes, but I'm not sure that it helps much in this case. < 1384880101 235672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wrong channel. < 1384880106 901858 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the MODEL describes where the code and data are stored < 1384880111 898949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably more of a linker directive, which tells the linker how much space to reserve for the stack < 1384880121 816883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bffws6w0%28v=vs.110%29.aspx < 1384880139 192829 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess STACK initializes the stack base and allocates some memory up to 266*4 in that case? < 1384880139 908587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably ends up in bytes 10-11 of an EXE file, http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/exe/ < 1384880147 658539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts something in the .EXE saying what the initial value of SS:SP is? < 1384880148 22533 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1384880160 321687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yep < 1384880162 478531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously that's old DOS EXE files, not the sille PE ones we have nowadays) < 1384880164 930426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silly < 1384880194 706270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that with .COM files you're not allowed to use .STACK because you're stuck in the TINY memory model anyway < 1384880205 19941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of PE executables: http://blog.theincredibleholk.org/blog/2013/11/18/booting-to-rust/ < 1384880207 733217 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384880219 2128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot to Rust via UEFI, with no assembly < 1384880226 51555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I say "probably" because the 8086 segmented addressing model has so much aliasing) < 1384880289 9776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it could still be a declaration that a linker can use to check whether everything (code, data, declared stack) fite into 65300 bytes (256 bytes go to the PCB (process control block)). < 1384880301 173943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 65280. darn :) < 1384880315 176058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would it also emit code to initialize SS:SP? < 1384880326 95080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? the OS does that for the program < 1384880329 74139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think DOS does that for you to a fixed point, probably just the end of that 64k < 1384880332 155669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384880344 602542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the header fields, or just SP=0xFFFE for a COM file. < 1384880348 857687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I guess the checking is still potentially useful < 1384880395 395713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm not sure whether .stack is allowed in the .tiny model :) It's been a while ... < 1384880421 698065 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384880421 855796 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also most documents seem pretty vague on how many registers there are < 1384880433 242763 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the basic ones described by most < 1384880438 57942 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the flag things < 1384880444 739915 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then control registers and debug??? < 1384880449 822438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is "a fuckload" < 1384880450 85738 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And divider??? < 1384880456 480480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, processor manuals are the source to go to (but have a history of not talking about all registers *anyway*) < 1384880458 117673 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they all accessible? < 1384880466 610913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes read the manual < 1384880471 121325 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx < 1384880495 296178 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the less manual-y question is "is it a good idea to access them" < 1384880516 604715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, read the bit of the Intel manual where it talks about the VMX virtualization feature, because that describes the layout of an in-memory struct used to save/restore ~all state from a VM < 1384880530 807533 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is x86? i don't think there's like, a mov-word-to-flags-reg ability < 1384880536 259069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including some things that aren't directly accessible, like the segment descriptor which was loaded when a segment selector was last set < 1384880547 953044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's lahf / sahf < 1384880551 626617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there is lah... < 1384880554 154102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too slow < 1384880560 196733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: "good idea" depends on what you're trying to do.......................................................................... < 1384880561 32470 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, of course there is < 1384880584 462730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: control registers are essential to the operation of a typical operating system < 1384880584 994774 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well currently mostly trying to get a feel of Assembly < 1384880594 28954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are invisible to userspace code < 1384880594 785207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAHF: Welcome to Stewards for Affordable Housing for the Future < 1384880595 483711 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably stick with the usual registers from now on < 1384880600 626733 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see the rest later < 1384880607 28205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they set things like, where in physical memory does the page table live < 1384880628 276387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :debug registers are useful for debugging, e.g. breakpoint when a particular memory address is accessed < 1384880640 984117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: obviously the mnemonics are for "load ah register from flags" and "store ah registers into flags" < 1384880650 36352 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i looked it up < 1384880657 841203 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelatedly, it's hard to take toilet day seriously, i blame sgeo < 1384880658 994674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they too can only be directly manipulated by ring-0 (i.e. kernel-mode) code < 1384880661 229052 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly is kind of weird < 1384880670 540801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typical OS will provide some interface like ptrace() for using those debug registers < 1384880672 773499 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's weird about it < 1384880673 752203 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're just mnemonics for opcodes, why are most of them so cryptic < 1384880684 544043 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess back then it was to save space, but nowadays? < 1384880760 110054 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying PCLMULQDQ isn't immediately obvious < 1384880782 678109 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that one is obvious, but who would guess that mov is move < 1384880922 435240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that jmp is branch ;-) < 1384880923 928728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: the regs you're likely to see in user code are: R[ABCD]X RSI RDI RSP RBP and their sub-components; RIP (in RIP-relative memory addressing), flags (implicitly for the most part), x87 FPU registers ST0 through ST7, MMX registers MM0 through MM7, SSE registers XMM0 through XMM15 < 1384880941 610319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and segment selectors, mostly only FS and GS these days < 1384880949 400754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though honestly, making 'b' the mnemonic for 'branch' isn't all that sane either.) < 1384880969 66363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and R8 to R15 < 1384880970 804972 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : All the R's I saw in most documents, the rest I have no idea! < 1384880983 57499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh yeah duh < 1384881011 721905 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But well I guess I'll stick with simple things for now < 1384881015 392789 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "print a letter" < 1384881020 179533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1384881037 741388 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I saw that it's not too complicated to access the PC speaker, which is neat < 1384881056 574924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands Slereah_ some black ink and lead,
< 1384881057 47975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 16-bit code you're more likely to use the segment overrides < 1384881069 129960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah you should probably keep learning rather than listening to me recite lists :) < 1384881070 576966 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e : Real men use a brush < 1384881095 47227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fs: is used for thread-local storage :) < 1384881129 113419 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly code in calligraphy < 1384881241 618649 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got "flat assembler" for assemblin', I'd better see the syntax there < 1384881291 238880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is nasm still maintained? < 1384881297 276232 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue! < 1384881306 697870 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really I thought Assembler would be much worse than it is < 1384881309 956107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"real men" jokes are distasteful because tying this or that skill to masculinity is problematic < 1384881323 535443 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has constants, procedures and control structures :o < 1384881343 912178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes it is :-) ) < 1384881372 873454 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically C with a slightly more distasteful handling of variables < 1384881392 640371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people make a big deal about x86 being so complicated but it's not that hard when you're writing it yourself, as opposed to understanding what a compiler has spit out < 1384881405 695762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of the complexity works in the favor of the assembly author < 1384881425 103794 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess reading binary might be tough, yeah < 1384881434 249574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you disassemble it < 1384881441 486746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you lose a lot of context < 1384881444 370572 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are the jump instructions translated, by the way? < 1384881447 353969 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like < 1384881451 159074 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jump point < 1384881453 802491 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do shit < 1384881454 318749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: typically an offset in bytes < 1384881457 404578 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JMP whatever < 1384881467 539143 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384881472 654046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the main things an assembler provides is resolving those labels into byte offsets < 1384881474 360694 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the jump point translated as the address of that point? < 1384881476 325502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assembler documentation like http://www.nasm.us/pub/nasm/releasebuilds/2.11rc1/doc/nasmdoc.pdf can also be a viable source for learning about processor features.) < 1384881476 483180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or absolute addresses depending < 1384881477 854760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384881510 266652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and one of the main things a linker provides is, deferring that process) < 1384881537 966172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such that you can compile/assemble many files independently into something that's like machine code but still has jump targets in a symbolic form, and then link them all together quickly) < 1384881548 906810 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i tried reading 6502 asm that had this convention where you could put * next to a line, and then "jmp ++" would mean "jump to the second line ahead with a *", etc. that was quite confusing < 1384881559 151333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1384881587 751234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU as has something like that; you can write numeric labels 1: or 2: and then jmp to them as 1f (meaning "next 1:") or 1b (meaning "previous 1:") < 1384881598 630634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful for inline assembly < 1384881616 353247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. A puzzle for Slereah: figure out the difference between jmp short foo and jmp near foo. (Not quite serious.) < 1384881631 314235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like for a loop you'd have "* ...loop body... jump-if-test -;" < 1384881643 575380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: I find an absolutely vital tool for understanding assembly is to run a disassembler on the output < 1384881669 46018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you see what instructions were really encoded, with machine code and mnemonics side by side < 1384881681 724545 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1384881893 426936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1384881895 916672 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it a shot, thanks < 1384881932 534820 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume all the header shit is either preprocessor shit or initialization? < 1384881957 195991 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :header in the assembly source or in the binary? < 1384881963 124054 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly source < 1384881972 680263 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like replacing the constants and initilizing the segment registers and such < 1384882163 864721 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384882326 579864 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384882343 795825 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384882564 139185 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone ever made some hardware cellular automaton < 1384882568 947299 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not too hard to do < 1384882861 618346 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384882874 787579 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384882889 758205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask google < 1384882917 709299 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1384882964 190380 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.univ-orleans.fr/lifo/Members/Jerome.Durand-Lose/Recherche/Publications/1996_RT-LIP_1996-01.pdf < 1384882967 117498 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems < 1384883469 817222 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.127 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384883760 716242 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn32-081.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1384884079 848030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what'd be hard at doing cellular automatons in Hardware < 1384884133 449828 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking 'lay out a circuit' hardware or 'with a processor but no particular OS' hardware < 1384884138 729102 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way it seems simple enough < 1384884165 713090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lay out a circuit' I assume < 1384884207 720403 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1384884231 355847 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really figure out the VGA driver on my FPGA so i could try that>_> < 1384884251 526945 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it efficiently is probably hard < 1384884264 750713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing it at all... < 1384884269 242453 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhdl to the rescue :) < 1384884300 47575 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it that hard? you'd just need a little register, and inputs from the clock and the neighborhood, for each cell < 1384884317 465611 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, something like hashlife would be hard, of course < 1384884360 782918 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the automaton < 1384884367 905055 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1384884378 70468 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just use some sram < 1384884384 539483 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1384884395 245780 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :store some 2D stuff in there < 1384884399 997182 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boing.. you're done < 1384884451 310259 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how much storage you need < 1384884466 995300 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what kind of automata do you like, Slereah_ < 1384884477 762693 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be even easier with a 1D automaton < 1384884484 616605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like wolframs thingy < 1384884501 470522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just fit neatly into a single bitstream < 1384884539 436160 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did wolfram automata on a shitty calculator once. surely hardware can't be harder < 1384884632 132016 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384884734 276169 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can program it you can also program it in vhdl < 1384884738 652738 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you can program it in vhdl < 1384884742 227305 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hardware-ish < 1384884808 825046 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to university has made me realise that while I'm not the best programmer, this channel has set me up with a brilliant background knowledge of the theoretical side of CS < 1384884810 435693 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1384884844 151186 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, so you can help us analyze the time complexity of this thing < 1384884845 966707 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can only imagine how I feel here ;) < 1384884847 762960 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nb nah) < 1384884866 63783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i've analyzed it and the time complexity is "very" hth < 1384884874 864865 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume I'm the dumbest person in this channel. < 1384885011 468411 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, module pt (input clk, input [7:0] neighborhood, output [...] out); reg [...] state; assign out = state; always @(posedge clk) state <= ...some function of state and neighborhood...; endmodule < 1384885015 417298 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think that's about it. < 1384885035 869964 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make a couple thousand of those and it's all good < 1384885105 573518 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384885197 924689 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno vhdl ;( < 1384885214 155103 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty easy < 1384885222 445484 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everywhere where you'd expect not to put a semicolon < 1384885227 777647 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put a fucking semicolon there < 1384885231 925873 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensible < 1384885236 925797 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere where you'd put a comma < 1384885242 26005 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :try putting a semicolon first < 1384885270 918273 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an accurate description :) < 1384885283 970883 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a context that uses commas, though < 1384885290 272469 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1384885292 880030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Port Maps use commas < 1384885294 728512 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them are frickin verbose < 1384885302 378306 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other list-like stuff uses semicolon as a seperator < 1384885328 83116 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's illegal to put a semicolon at the end of such a list < 1384885341 186778 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one exception to the previously stated rules < 1384885356 484987 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1384885363 516333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's one place where you have to write < 1384885368 946019 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENERIC () MAP () < 1384885385 635085 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a place where you have to write GENERIC (); MAP (); < 1384885409 115406 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense though < 1384885422 963035 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehowe < 1384885468 651356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i should just get zzo to give me money for an open source neuromorphic fpga, and then i can make my own synthesizer for my own language, w/ blackjack & hookers < 1384885626 531341 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ain't a party with just one hooker . < 1384885682 433368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly blackjack, practically speaking < 1384885691 128709 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384885783 497280 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see a vhdl synthesizer that can produce plans for mechanical hardware < 1384885792 480927 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ... like ... < 1384885813 20576 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :piñón < 1384885817 142217 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechanical? < 1384885828 248106 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gear wheels < 1384885833 802244 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yeah < 1384885850 237896 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :piñón is apparently pine nuts? < 1384885862 624518 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1384885862 986004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have an esolang idea that's basically that (or rather the vhdl equivalent) < 1384885872 122032 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like, digital operations are hard. < 1384885888 130393 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384885912 213399 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mechanical Computers don't need energy when they're not doing stuff . < 1384885927 985687 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lazy < 1384885938 216959 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to use a crank < 1384885943 88004 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and crank < 1384885956 56373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely the word for that is crank < 1384885980 453684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really* < 1384885983 27027 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, real mechanical computers usually used motor drives, since you need it to have an exact speed < 1384885988 982514 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cranks were just used for input < 1384885999 787782 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with like < 1384886001 883382 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam powered? < 1384886005 985276 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1384886014 977761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to have a steam powered super computer < 1384886018 741911 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll show china < 1384886025 128366 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam?? this is the 1940s < 1384886030 535718 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whoever is currently leading in this cyber d*** contest < 1384886032 477461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you could use steam if you wanted, i guess < 1384886045 978420 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just anything that can get you a steadily turning gear. < 1384886049 812341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need that for integrators. < 1384886049 969994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know when steam got old < 1384886092 271499 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by steam, i guess... the obvious nuclear reactor design which i think is still used is basically steam < 1384886114 489496 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1384886146 255461 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular steam engines < 1384886166 797383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't really know what real mechanical computers used, i'm pretty sure that by wwii they were basically on diesel < 1384886234 790980 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :power source isn't terribly important though, the trick is making the components have enough accuracy < 1384886248 75984 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme tell you, CVTs are some weird-ass shit to make < 1384887171 798758 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384887410 676096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balanced ternary electronic computers are so much simpler < 1384887778 420311 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Controversy at the university of York as HackSoc, the university's computer science society, declares an upcoming game-making society to be stepping on their toes < 1384887823 259537 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that sort of thing never happens at Birmingham, it's considered an advantage to be able to get away with having two basically identical societies < 1384887858 364971 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, doesn't Birmingham have like 5 universities < 1384887881 631880 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but only one is the University of Birmingham < 1384887887 382758 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others all have different names < 1384887892 322004 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, York has two and a half universities < 1384887907 122591 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also two of them only became classified as universities recently < 1384887935 857203 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(University of York, York St John University, and Hull York Medical School) < 1384887952 233084 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and strictly speaking the last one is half part of the first one) < 1384887966 231593 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the "and a half" < 1384888029 246288 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also half part of the University of Hull < 1384888095 743785 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the University of York has one of the highest duck to student ratios of any university in the world! < 1384888322 196046 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://doctorbeet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/lg-smart-tvs-logging-usb-filenames-and.html < 1384888731 102037 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384889200 280577 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384889407 125632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384890616 765446 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1384890626 629650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :labeling long horizontal lines "Horizontal long lines" is genius < 1384890638 340332 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@figure 4 of that high speed harware automaton paper < 1384890638 497995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1384890650 428150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hairyware < 1384890657 340465 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 vertical long lines < 1384890658 722927 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1384891208 610513 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384891236 49574 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384891266 346315 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384891302 149609 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the zuse z1 had an electric motor < 1384891428 305527 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384891547 380743 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384891663 123783 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What paper? < 1384892176 703578 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1384892525 794534 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1384892754 500311 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384892865 738485 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384892875 570546 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384892983 711331 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384893262 277111 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1384893262 763554 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Humbling" to "Swallowing" < 1384893473 375673 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1384893627 339153 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384893798 855026 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384894151 554599 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384894687 755906 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384894723 374041 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384894744 55694 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384894754 893959 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn32-081.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1384894763 701342 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384894829 115853 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1384894889 795952 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384896109 411750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1384896109 733215 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Stripping" to "Swallowing" < 1384896117 187355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :swallowing < 1384896119 17368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for food. < 1384896163 693153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're way better than metasepia < 1384896164 27464 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 1.8.5 would allocate 128 bytes per loop.) < 1384896173 777192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and way better than lambdabot < 1384896174 92927 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and it still seems like an odd goal, which is deterministic, it just requires making your eval support a fnord flag for fnord would just muck up the puzzle < 1384896181 785555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: especially with the new management!! < 1384896182 115635 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: abum hehe i've done that kind of sh1t hasn't happened in linux for graphics pretty much all sedative drugs, very similar to the list < 1384896233 402865 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384896258 880773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-( < 1384896275 59597 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is fungot better than ruddy? < 1384896275 262138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: yes... i see someone who is in almost as many channels as you're in, you can do < 1384896275 505264 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clap clap! < 1384896282 706438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is better than ruddy < 1384896282 863930 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm. so you're golden. < 1384896283 527912 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... i see someone who is in almost as many channels as you're in, you can do < 1384896314 839290 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can't argue with golden < 1384896488 155485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1384896521 596324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1384896543 74097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how come i'm not in the lambdabot admins list < 1384896644 888575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took elliott's list of admins. < 1384896664 477823 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't diss my lovely bot. < 1384896673 602211 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384896690 681751 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384896721 358373 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-145.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384896729 205928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is lovely too < 1384896729 390869 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if i'm going north or south" i am part of the ' offcuts' of several famous single malts. < 1384896735 709718 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384896746 322391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: exactly < 1384896746 628513 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( cadr fnord) doesn't properly clear the screen correctly: just scheme code in a module are statically decidable. regexes, otoh... would be very helpful < 1384896756 869995 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384896839 195701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be slightly surprised if (cadr fnord) did clear the screen. < 1384896840 376764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and I don't think we're short on lambdabot admins, are we? < 1384896870 616503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You'd be surprised. < 1384896944 324885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I would < 1384896991 52906 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384897941 721861 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-145.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384898559 441303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: SUPERLATIVE CHICKEN! < 1384898561 648487 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384898637 714539 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384898727 858169 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384898791 396055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird. Told mplayer to play a .mp3 file, and it's showing a 88x31 "video" of the CC-BY-NC-SA license logo banner icon thing. < 1384898830 186939 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are the file contents actually MP3 format? < 1384898854 395460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to 'file', sure. < 1384898862 296370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz, JntStereo" < 1384898883 831841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's some curious ID3 image thing, but I've never seen that happen before. < 1384898890 383104 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting indeed! < 1384898898 928708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it keeps complaining, though it plays just fine. < 1384898921 211406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/KEIN and so on. < 1384898932 39959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just one but three "video" streams. < 1384898961 868140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be some kind of a mplayer2 thing, I don't recall the old one ever "playing" ID3 tag images. < 1384899227 716659 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384900606 69780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo add chu spaces to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_space#Specializations_and_generalizations < 1384900632 586759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do it yourself < 1384900667 840430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo i don't remember my wikipedia password < 1384900681 52670 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=599852 < 1384900697 166775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ask them to send it to your email < 1384900825 506868 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: sweet. < 1384900925 695169 :darklust_!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384901000 637712 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/11/19/scientists-confirm-existence-of-moon/ "Scientists Confirm Existence of Moon" < 1384901632 982551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Insert pun here < 1384901864 404324 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384901871 697863 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384901897 684279 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384901987 311935 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384902149 681570 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-55.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1384902442 359089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384902657 100655 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384902944 866577 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how sad Interstella 5555 was < 1384902973 940884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a good thing if it was sad < 1384902990 868748 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i value sadness more than happiness. < 1384902994 876774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict it's about the space smurfs? < 1384903007 832438 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. one of em dies < 1384903017 221791 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an anime opera by Daft Punk about space smurfs < 1384903025 999230 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it i have one more time stuck in my head now < 1384903068 310948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing off a character isn't that sad < 1384903094 694144 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you seen Grave of the Fireflies? < 1384903099 332801 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, I have not < 1384903104 824433 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that an opera by Daft Punk < 1384903109 67970 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1384903155 427941 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my understanding that if interstella 5555 is sad grave of the fireflies will convince you to hang yourself halfway through the film < 1384903155 586155 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, it's a film by Isao Takahata < 1384903162 331160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have, it's at least 100% more sad < 1384903180 105074 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that sounds about right. you might be understating it < 1384903187 517389 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i've never seen it. < 1384903217 674924 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really intend to either, god knows i've seen enough sad world wars in snow < 1384903251 699489 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen enough sad things this century < 1384903305 420637 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GofF is pretty high on my "my face is leaking please help" list < 1384903310 826530 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GotF < 1384903334 253121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually make that at least 500% more sad < 1384903345 899292 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1384903373 762918 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we can call GotF "sad" because otherwise by comparison nothing else is sad ever < 1384903399 220835 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, gotf makes me think of another japanese film i haven't seen that's probbly near the same level < 1384903408 803104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1384903410 983996 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, it's nine hours of a socialist getting eaten alive by the IJA < 1384903426 2874 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_Condition_(film_series) < 1384903429 105119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, uh, not really the same < 1384903470 821801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he's not being literally eaten alive < 1384903479 947330 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384903537 306347 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside of the subject of war, the only other film content that's made me that sad was season 2 (or 3?) of the Dr. Who reboot. But that was some time ago. < 1384904053 144646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctor who lost the ability to evoke any emotion in me other than cringe long ago < 1384904198 842141 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384904295 724776 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's campy and cheesy < 1384904299 429142 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like that < 1384904353 638777 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I haven't seen anything past Tennant.. so I'm not sure if that still holds. < 1384905012 566143 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1384905075 139808 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384905097 602916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, it does not < 1384905174 711931 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384905898 182519 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disappointing, then :/ < 1384905947 92091 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384906318 728865 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384906657 458503 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384906713 170623 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384906879 295767 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384907195 377566 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384908187 582448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384908583 443537 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384908777 58649 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384908799 408150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384909471 384588 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384909792 473460 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384909855 893783 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1384910354 815633 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384910662 480433 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384911045 213622 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384911662 343386 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384912101 756649 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1384914167 428322 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :samwell < 1384914171 237877 :samwell!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1384915371 196786 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, . in C and -> in C both become . in Rust < 1384915380 888894 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it always knows whether the LHS is a struct or a pointer to struct < 1384915418 485827 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust JOIN :#esoteric < 1384915704 250085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels a bit implicit-castish < 1384915713 853522 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not sure if it's really a problem < 1384915721 878666 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When would you want to actually . on the pointer? < 1384915833 409938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's doing ais523\unfoog < 1384915838 710825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does unfoog mean < 1384915854 51406 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you can't . on a pointer in C, which is why it works < 1384915859 660127 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unfoog is a /dev/null/nethack clan < 1384916177 548020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you working on < 1384916201 910248 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, nothing < 1384916207 465816 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the last few days I've been working on NetHack 4 < 1384916218 245127 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more generally, I've been working on my PhD thesis < 1384916237 384739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you're still survivng academia. wow. < 1384916240 946593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thesis on < 1384916425 77452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1384916427 383198 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384916480 402167 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hardware compilation < 1384916511 683550 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds lame. you're like pretty close to myy age right? < 1384916659 146711 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 26 < 1384916730 603044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm 27 < 1384916733 741784 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thot so < 1384916742 804497 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever been potholing? < 1384916744 903673 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to erase the content from my Derplang page, but it came back one day... < 1384916750 689015 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what to do about this. < 1384916762 877497 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because im getting ready to do derplang 2, and its a big change up. < 1384916766 795328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave it alone < 1384916773 602577 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a separate deplang 2 page < 1384916899 373955 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not a bad idea < 1384916946 863436 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: you can't delete a page by blanking it, that just leaves a blank page which confuses people < 1384916957 519710 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill keep the page < 1384916962 22804 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the old derplang is still fun to use < 1384916963 287916 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can delete pages given a good reason, but there isn't an obvious good reason to delete that one < 1384916988 583311 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :But derplang 2 wouldnt belong on the esoteric site, because its less esoteric this time...a lot less < 1384916996 801322 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Improved syntactic sugar ^_^ < 1384917018 449092 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have changed the name but i am horrible with names. < 1384917027 845952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well than < 1384917029 650331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1384917040 644308 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you doing it < 1384917055 585772 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I doing what? < 1384917059 582491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you make a language that is actually useful and convenient < 1384917071 158689 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I haven't done that yet < 1384917077 921004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384917079 247543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1384917080 568878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1384917083 736067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fjn < 1384917085 872259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1384917093 744833 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it's fun :P < 1384917099 792171 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joy comes in writing it < 1384917114 906494 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt people other than myself would use it... < 1384917120 641935 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1384917140 307973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the spec might be fun < 1384917147 561889 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python didnt start off at version 2.7 < 1384917150 532971 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but implementing a real full on language < 1384917152 86172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1384917154 409261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pain < 1384917163 370573 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure its painful, but its fun too < 1384917169 587412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1384917171 783803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a masochist < 1384917175 544736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i can appreciate < 1384917181 368669 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like paintball, airsoft, or angry sex < 1384917207 285863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very esolangal motivation < 1384917218 251771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1384917226 88619 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's the fun kind of pain < 1384917235 876465 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is < 1384917294 753880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy who figured out how to write actual functional algorithms in malbolge got to see the fun kind of pain < 1384917305 784857 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/marcelog/jsonex/blob/2.0/lib/jsonex.ex < 1384917320 144498 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to implement languages has been more fun than using esolangs :P < 1384917326 537781 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I havent found the right language to use < 1384917471 36276 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1384917492 870967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: try implementing an esolang in another esolang! < 1384918498 637348 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, thats a terrible idea .... < 1384918500 267222 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it ._. < 1384918597 893349 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone help me find an esoteric language that could be used for general purpose stuff if one was dedicated enough < 1384918611 344404 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having some trouble torturing norns < 1384918723 675935 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic < 1384918847 643369 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what was it that made you horrified? My putting norn brains into the body of a toy, or my experimenting with how much ATP decoupler a norn could tolerate? < 1384918854 804419 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something else I forget < 1384918892 720338 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1384918900 960458 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also don't remember if i was actually horrified or just being silly < 1384918910 817119 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike < 1384918917 486371 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name fascinates me < 1384918929 454090 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really an uncommon word < 1384918930 438949 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I want to go home and sleep < 1384918934 464856 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's like 3;42 < 1384918936 697088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: fungot is written in Befunge < 1384918936 890415 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is lambda?) on windows, have a bunch of empty cd-rs. err... < 1384918937 69765 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*3:42 < 1384918942 85102 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a good time to be walking around < 1384918977 582097 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 allows for plugins to the language, I think < 1384919013 141796 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo neat < 1384919023 736969 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluggable commands, to be exact < 1384919071 458467 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot use more than 26 commands at any given time (there are some ways to work around but limited) < 1384919095 1941 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can swap out the commands dynamically, though < 1384919152 381324 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your favorite esolangs? < 1384919250 293572 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload; BF Joust; various functional-ish ones that haven't been fully worked out yet < 1384919271 655983 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind-of an esolang narcsissist, I tend to prefer esolangs I created myself < 1384919283 279754 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly because I aim to create the sort of esolangs I like < 1384919330 203824 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me to your esolangs so i can see if im interested < 1384919335 783163 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1384919347 698339 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would google but i need to go scavenge for good < 1384919349 405329 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :food < 1384919352 895954 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :good food < 1384919500 982330 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: there's a list on http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ais523 < 1384919524 91760 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1384919524 379478 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1384919524 537090 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ < 1384919535 460672 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1384919562 507532 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus < 1384919566 79993 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :You made a lot :p < 1384919590 492129 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as many as cpressey did (he also has a good eye for interesting esolangs) < 1384919643 834909 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooo minimax looks nice < 1384919684 487257 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :backflip looks painfil < 1384919686 452092 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :painful < 1384919765 662840 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Black < 1384919767 170281 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god < 1384920041 328782 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o\ < 1384920041 486585 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      | < 1384920041 644203 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |\ < 1384920052 625754 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1384920128 665650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to get a grasp of the Erlang OTP < 1384921068 205963 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384921093 85689 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384921208 411428 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend it. < 1384921347 320290 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384921386 906016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have just come upon the greatest bug ever in my life < 1384921570 894349 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1384921590 892793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a program to draw a circle in SELECT. < 1384921605 328021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works great for 20 evenly spaced points on a circle < 1384921610 760988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when i do 400 < 1384921706 908142 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it transposes the bottom and top thirds (breaking it at the points corresponding to the angles tau/8, 3tau/8, 5tau/8) just enough to make a funny tesselatable bowtie. and instead of halting after drawing it, it goes and draws it again in the opposite direction, apparently forever < 1384921717 807783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it halts fine on the small case) < 1384921743 850805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why the imaginary part keeps getting translated like that < 1384921765 668252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is quite nice to look at < 1384921819 54084 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how reproducible is it? < 1384921872 864480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well let's see. i'll run it again. (it should be perfectly reproducible...everything involved is determinstic) < 1384921946 61520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. reproduces. < 1384921988 496037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that makes me scared to try BEAM languages... < 1384921991 520416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it's some mpmath weirdness < 1384922283 672655 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEAM? < 1384922332 434090 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384922383 842655 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the smallest number of points it appears in < 1384922490 634386 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1384922492 283652 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the Erlang VM thingy < 1384922538 539748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i'll find out < 1384922539 411776 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1384923292 882736 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: you are all a bunch of faggots < 1384923353 151622 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384923488 506247 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite esoteric language....Perl < 1384923505 262064 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is not an esolang < 1384923514 286618 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1384923523 499146 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: that's basically the first joke about esolangs. we all made it at one point < 1384923533 273676 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frequently people make an unfunny "joke" where they just mash some keys on their keyboard and claim it's valid Perl < 1384923539 928498 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I decode it, stopping at the first syntax error < 1384923550 240316 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais, meanwhile, is just an astonishing person < 1384923558 262919 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, which is why i had to make it...its my initiation. < 1384923594 5189 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make that joke about Perl, as far as I know < 1384923599 703493 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pastlog esoteric.*Perl < 1384923608 564837 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's find some examples of it < 1384923613 350424 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1384923615 406349 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog esoteric.*Perl < 1384923616 62984 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does egobot have a pstlog too? < 1384923617 125508 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong bot :) < 1384923619 54690 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait there are more esolang jokes? < 1384923622 45215 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1384923628 928971 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: ESME < 1384923629 770491 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: don't worry, they're all terrible < 1384923633 633957 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cant stop laughing" < 1384923649 234328 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1384923656 253931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: iajsdfijasdfijsdklfjasfjiowejfoiwejfiowejiofjweiofjwefjkjdlfjwf < 1384923659 262792 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think i made a joke about how bad jokes are once. < 1384923666 478912 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Bike.*joke < 1384923668 433350 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :871) i don't even know anything about feather and i'm getting sick of the time travel jokes \ 1034) i vaguely thought sigbovik was all jokes? oerjan: jokes written by CS people, so none of it's funny, just sad < 1384923670 8433 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a valid perl expression for you < 1384923671 716718 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is actually valid Perl < 1384923672 904291 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam < 1384923686 924338 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not particularly interesting, it just returns a string literal < 1384923688 565510 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have just been served < 1384923691 174379 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you knew that though < 1384923703 563125 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is a paper showing that the number of errors some cs students made were not significantly different with perl and a language with random symbols (there was a significant difference between the random one and a control language) < 1384923704 210177 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog esoteric.*Perl < 1384923720 751416 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-03-01.txt:01:53:52: languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh < 1384923722 442310 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: that was busted, they were given some really old Perl 4 with bad style < 1384923737 88315 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, EgoBot has the "perl is an esolang" joke too? < 1384923738 653886 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[.+]" < 1384923749 62820 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print iajsdfijasdfijsdklfjasfjiowejfoiwejfiowejiofjweiofjwefjkjdlfjwf < 1384923751 67203 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs esoteric.*Perl < 1384923751 227649 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1384923771 990774 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16918 < 1384923778 23806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how i'm going to get like ten results of people doing this same log search < 1384923790 344483 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's why I invented `pastlog < 1384923791 856360 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it omits today < 1384923797 665904 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 I thought the complaint was not "modern" style, meaning it has been accepted style at one point < 1384923806 436713 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call a tailor who talks too much? < 1384923806 770964 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«#esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org» aw yeah, right there in the topic. < 1384923808 905014 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sailor < 1384923815 154091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: oh, i didn't know that... i wanted the paste though. < 1384923821 18247 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: yeah, but in an old version of Perl wher the modern style didn't exist < 1384923843 154157 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384923845 214103 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say that perl always existed. < 1384923855 735730 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see signs of this in cave paintings < 1384923875 342354 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384923884 175823 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the perl students did make few errors, it just wasn't enough fewer to be significant < 1384923905 256838 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothesis: computer scientists are even worse at stats than psychologists < 1384923932 389916 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, past-me was very enamoured of trying to create an eso derivative of Perl < 1384923937 747363 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sort-of implies I never considered it eso < 1384923972 849168 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«2009-01-03.txt:22:14:38: -!- klslvoeoe changed the topic of #esoteric to: you can subtract your mom from my dick because she's old and you're a stupid fuckface! now LEARN C or say perl! stop being esoteric asswads» fascinating < 1384923986 715549 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this like, an actual troll < 1384924005 275170 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although not a very good one < 1384924018 648815 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: all the stats I've seen have generally been fine < 1384924019 695904 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our usual response to obvious trolls is countertrolling < 1384924036 479304 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know once I kicked one like ten times in a row, no ban, out of morbid curiosity as to when they'd give up and stop bothering < 1384924063 17269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this joke language perl thing was in the topic for years < 1384924104 898482 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel was slow to change topic back then < 1384924120 754602 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I first joined, it'd be very rare for the "devlopment and deployment" bit to not be in the topic < 1384924127 310341 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even optbot made sure to leave that bit in < 1384924130 777417 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays you hardly ever see it < 1384924138 455928 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«% w3m -dump http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | awk '{print $6}' | tail -n +22 | perl -ne 's/K/* 1024/; print int(eval($_) + .5), "\n"' | squish 140 | sparkline» elliott what the hell < 1384924162 711204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: it reproduces at all resolutions. but it halts successfully on the small ones. < 1384924187 555010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1384924192 819701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder < 1384924269 368518 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this leads to another question i've been wondering about. < 1384924270 517055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it seems to be a function of canvas size. it happens all the time at 101x101, but never for 51x51 < 1384924338 275889 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog [Mm]ath[- _]?[Nn]erd < 1384924349 912427 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22864 < 1384924381 753718 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's all one person, huh. < 1384924385 812585 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog [Mm]ath[- _]?[Nn]erd[^3] < 1384924401 524742 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32067 < 1384924416 787022 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that look like a GY!BE song title to me... < 1384924549 4803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so...i think i've tracked it down. cool. raising numbers to big powers results in weirdness. < 1384924556 710665 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ups precision
< 1384924573 525105 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're raising numbers to big powers for circle drawing? < 1384924994 428702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384925010 105292 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you raise numbers to big powers for everythin in SELECT. < 1384925032 952351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think it would have better support then... < 1384925034 913894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just set the default tape value to very very close to 1 and it solved the problem. < 1384925040 799746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting beautiful circles now < 1384925135 553620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, it would have better support if someone besides me had written the interpreter i guess. i'm counting on mpmath to handle the math, but apparently some of the calculations i need require such immense precision i would have to develop my own algorithms to handle the math if i wanted it to be able to work for any base value. < 1384925248 557282 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you should switch to a repeated exponent representation < 1384925298 811309 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of still not sure where huge exponents come up though... you just need to divide 2pi doncha < 1384925536 856363 :Darklust!~darklust@unaffiliated/darklust QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384925683 549711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you should go read the spec < 1384925742 298606 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this repeated exponent representation < 1384925856 93926 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i saw it said double precision floats, but that's boring < 1384925985 679954 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for representation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_level-index_arithmetic < 1384926073 111597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not using double-precision. i'm using "select your own precision". i've been running my test code at p=100 decimal digits < 1384926091 117337 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: although that joke is a bad joke, there are other real criticizms of perl (not a perl expert), such as the fact that all lists are automatically flattened. < 1384926260 30166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean, all you need to do for a circle is exp(0*2pi/20), exp(1*2pi/20), etc, right < 1384926265 577850 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: the correct criticism there should be "lists and references to lists are distinct firstish-class values" < 1384926302 827226 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: lol, fair enough. i dont know enough about perl to give a proper criticism < 1384926308 523459 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is saner if you only ever create lists as a result of dereferencing a reference to a list (you might want to make an exception for function arguments, but in a sanely designed Perl you wouldn't need one) < 1384926340 523751 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent Perls have been moving towards allowing you to write programs in that style, but it's still experimental < 1384926352 306999 :Darklust!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384926360 765187 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the issue is not that lists flatten, because a Perl list is not what most languages call a list, and it's sensible that it flattens < 1384926365 776686 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that they're pervasive at all < 1384926398 695013 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: lists you mean? < 1384926416 717786 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1384926430 460898 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: im not sure what you mean by that < 1384926446 346897 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, if you can avoid the whole procedure (which will be called relup from now on) and do simple rolling upgrades by restarting VMs and booting new applications, I would recommend you do so. Relups should be one of these 'do or die' tools. Something you use when you have few more choices." < 1384926467 177751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to use Erlang [VM] hotswapping for development, so I don't have to restart the development instance when I make a code change < 1384926469 647431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1384926487 800736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's exactly what i'm doing. but then i have to scale it to the canvas size. and multiplication in SELECT. uses the rule x*y=logK((k^x)^y). so for a radius 50, i have to raise k^50 to one of those numbers you wrote above. it gets even worse if you have to add. < 1384926489 495654 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: list variables exist, for instance < 1384926497 831869 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and list contexts < 1384926514 575996 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are useful, and widely used; neither would be useful nor widely used if Perl didn't insist on trying to use non-reference lists for so much < 1384926532 426013 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sounds like representing exponentiations explicitly would help a lot, then... < 1384926635 339916 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, no language is perfect. an i guess here we revel in that fact.. :) < 1384926718 341013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes. SLI looks nice. too bad there are no python libraries that have it implemented for complex numbers and such. < 1384926808 361506 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i think you could do it yourself? i mean, just basically have a nuber class that's a fractional float plus an integer. probably. < 1384926827 733392 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but SELECT, that lets you use different bases, doesn't it < 1384926834 626068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could try. and lose even more of my life to coding < 1384926862 889414 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel i should point out you're drawing a circle in a brainfuck derivative based on exponentation < 1384926892 890753 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ahve succeeded at that < 1384926906 371266 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can move on to other more pressing things in my life < 1384926917 971350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll come back and write mandelbrot sometime < 1384927957 869720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT : < 1384928973 487860 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384928988 723411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg chu spaces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebras_canonically_defined#Truth_tables < 1384929590 177550 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :choo choo < 1384929857 139769 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384930000 429470 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384930469 706713 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1384930908 794513 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384932827 135792 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384933005 302212 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384933361 682752 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384933769 357833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://data.aalto.fi/ <- so modern! (I didn't know we had a thing like that.) < 1384934328 697491 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1384934459 28205 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384934531 908904 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384934827 413794 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1384934839 347092 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384935096 109162 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384935965 767506 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vihart: How I Feel About Logarithms http://youtu.be/N-7tcTIrers < 1384936371 100751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, algorithm is an anagram of logarithm. < 1384936553 37017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and $ zipWith (==) (sort "algorithm") (sort "logarithm") -- just checking < 1384936554 46927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1384936579 533076 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "algorithm" == sort "logarithm" -- a.k.a. < 1384936581 430543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1384936757 395192 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> on (==) sort "algorithm" "logarithm" -- DRY < 1384936758 799230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1384937057 696437 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1384938784 472822 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1384941013 167839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384942222 150702 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384943794 264896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "hm..." < 1384943796 714121 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1384943811 589731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that command actually works < 1384943820 516229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf "hi!\n"; < 1384943823 68030 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1384943823 527425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1384943830 158959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("hi!\n"); < 1384943832 929437 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1384943845 917366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes Does this work now? < 1384943846 489398 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this work now? < 1384943854 362749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor++ < 1384943927 537233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "Gregos"? < 1384943939 904750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1384944484 104908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : as for representation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_level-index_arithmetic <-- neat < 1384945458 749711 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384946736 705654 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384948282 74583 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1384949443 338228 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384949540 320308 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the EsoAPI? All I was able to find was the link from the EsoAPI article on esolang < 1384949561 916292 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoAPI and http://kidsquid.99k.org/programs/esoapi/esoapi.html < 1384950131 576184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the same thing that happens to all such things, like PESOIX and PSOX. (A quiet death, that is.) < 1384950172 449738 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't someone still have the files? < 1384950816 718685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1384951048 741933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384951950 437234 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384952654 81736 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384952676 885831 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384952683 738868 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384953322 646599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1384953328 540751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoAPI < 1384953334 673195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoCOM! < 1384953345 807043 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good esoteric morning! < 1384953359 546101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjour < 1384953405 378885 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment ca va? < 1384953436 334171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ça va bien. on voit que l'hiver arrive à grand pas. pas trop froid de ton bord? < 1384953673 225006 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :il fait froid :) < 1384953737 708693 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :si je ne m'abuse, tu es Suisse? < 1384953745 37003 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui. < 1384953768 842196 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pas du neige < 1384953782 194338 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintenante. < 1384953877 341913 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 PART :#esoteric < 1384953884 746188 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suppose que il'ya du neige en canada? < 1384953929 827340 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :il neige déjà à Québec, mais pas encore à Montréal. < 1384953945 782375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. ok < 1384954017 530139 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :il'ya du neige sur les montagnes < 1384954030 583892 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis pas surpris :p < 1384954045 959433 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on peut déjà faire du ski < 1384954065 283956 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pas de surprise :) < 1384954089 709584 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis nul en ski, et encore pire en planche à neige. < 1384954187 82210 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1384954480 802952 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384955276 777090 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384955309 704780 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is watching a man fix the boiler
< 1384955330 375497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sounds hot." < 1384955353 754573 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So happy I didn't attempt to do it myself < 1384955427 382220 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384955516 755628 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone here at Cambridge uni? < 1384955524 341403 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384955566 395646 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge sounds fun... < 1384955631 434097 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge has a computer history museum < 1384955657 330112 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__; < 1384955679 305144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone was? < 1384955743 254152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, perhaps. < 1384955778 746208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe he just mentioned the place as a hypothetical, I didn't really keep track. < 1384955858 436217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some grepping seems to suggest he went to some other place. Oh well. < 1384955981 663020 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge is a confusing name. I never know which side of the Great Puddle it is. < 1384956013 961588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both, just like every other place. :p < 1384956184 789948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :London and Paris are easy, they're both in Ontario! < 1384956255 621574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there seems to be no university in Cambridge, MA, unlike the case with, say, the University of Birmingham and Birmingham City University in UK, and the Birmingham High School in California, and two different universities in Birmingham, Alabama. < 1384956405 14233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Finland has many places named after other places, though there's probably a couple. There's an "Egyptinkorpi" ("desert/forest/backwoods of Egypt") in the middle of nowhere in Lieksa, at least. < 1384956635 799906 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384957442 321958 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Arabia? < 1384957468 376454 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Arabianranta < 1384957633 957966 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384957685 562464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. < 1384957693 787041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "Tukholmankatu", in case streets count. < 1384957856 868973 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is Tukholmankatu? < 1384957894 365716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Helsinki. ("Tukholma" is the Finnish name of Stockholm.) < 1384957915 228773 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1384958066 11499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a large number of "Amerikka"s all around Finland too. < 1384958167 87304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Jerusalemi, Finland somewhere in the general neighborhood of Joensuu. < 1384958189 837721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I guess we have these things too.) < 1384958227 818948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next thing you're going to tell me there's a Finland in Finland. < 1384958481 824744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Ditch of Finland, Espoo, Finland. ("Suomenoja".) < 1384958650 742211 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I knew it.” < 1384958765 261379 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384958781 708704 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhellouse. < 1384958795 312024 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily < 1384958825 305915 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384959422 695323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384959471 950844 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you Cambridge? < 1384959478 618094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1384959480 198632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1384959546 439941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just confuse. < 1384959942 859455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided not to go to cambridge after i found out timwi did maths at the same college i applied to and, well... < 1384959945 999011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 575 < 1384959947 493420 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :575) oh god oh god what if I become attracted to birds < 1384960001 98638 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is suddenly perplexified
< 1384960033 577384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that timwi is attracted to birds < 1384960089 6224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.timwi.com/ ? < 1384960117 23304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, http://www.lionking.org/~timwi/progs.htm < 1384960180 228123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lionking.org/~timwi/eagles.htm would be more appropriate, probably < 1384960185 785774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not the work of a healthy mind! < 1384960195 250941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be dubious of a consulting company known to be attracted to birds. < 1384960211 761120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION replaces his perplexification with terror
< 1384960278 685948 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384960335 197143 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloesthiswork. < 1384960898 661115 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1384961063 191586 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1384961148 838107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anothellost. < 1384961239 443562 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely read that as "An Othello soundtrack" < 1384961267 449990 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the name of your new esoteric language? < 1384961400 319240 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384961462 21922 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, another brainfuck derivative. yéééé....... < 1384961493 95182 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[-+] i think < 1384961495 549027 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant remember < 1384961517 328689 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck isnt really interesting to me < 1384961540 457365 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to do more with a language if i want < 1384961593 239142 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :create a self-modifying Aubergine program? < 1384961712 349026 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to define more < 1384961740 882771 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :write bindings for gtk, write networked application etc < 1384961821 247379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an esolang out there that has a networking library? < 1384961824 921724 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384961831 131170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, Ursala doesn't count.) < 1384961839 454149 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think any esolang that can call C libraries counts? < 1384962371 751246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384962596 875740 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384963018 34023 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384963034 370414 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384963292 462645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384963404 876630 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384963458 290236 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384963580 482538 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1384964057 365092 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384964090 767087 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384964104 847178 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boiler repaired after four hours. Might be expensive :-( < 1384964518 261398 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384967206 942983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you know any esolangs that could do networking? < 1384967207 138960 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the point of < 1384967214 156231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...what? < 1384967214 352840 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://community.schemewiki.org/ cgi-bin/ viewcvs/ mit-scheme/ snapshot.pkg/ 20060906/ < 1384967261 471505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your link is broken. Anyway! I'm sure you've heard of at least one language in which it'd be possible to write an IRC client, wink wink. < 1384967261 629405 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you happen to get something fnord, but it's not < 1384967271 307924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not getting the hint, I see. < 1384967433 251829 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384967750 387199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384967997 823504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384968007 110813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I got some moldy mushrooms, can I eat them? < 1384968007 342367 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's a lot of lisp companies barely cover the cost of speed, that's why i mentioned ' pretty complete.' < 1384968045 316486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, no, mushrooms, not speed. < 1384968045 517789 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah i had a discrete math lecturer who would lecture painfully and fnord, < 1384968068 522916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's common among discrete math lecturers. < 1384968097 410009 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My discrete math lecturer would always swing this yardstick about while teaching < 1384968117 458498 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day he broke it in two by mistake and, instead of fixing it, hid the pieces in the ceiling < 1384968136 936036 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it actually belonged to the professor who lectured in the class before his < 1384968331 29258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember nothing about my discrete maths lecturer except that he was a total dickhead about the lecture notes < 1384968508 747779 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384968543 630719 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should have taken mine. I once got credit on a bonus question that involved finding a number of items in a dark room (I don't remember the specifics) for the answer "It is pitch black. I am likely to be eaten by a grue" < 1384968642 303163 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384968958 124218 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384968992 853512 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384969154 656799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1384969160 992732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a package yet < 1384969237 521339 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, and I don't have a package yet. probably very soon. < 1384969237 845931 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384969253 828824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shady dealings! < 1384969268 327022 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shady and delicious dealings. < 1384969280 419959 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are your mushrooms tasty? < 1384969280 674914 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the results of compilation up with the default background so it'll be the killer app for scheme < 1384969337 838672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: A killer app for Scheme? Are you talking about a Starcraft clone? < 1384969338 146983 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: improvisational language? you're not fnord with a monad. < 1384969343 478294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: those were olsner's mushrooms, and they are moldy < 1384969350 404600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn fizzie is not fnord with a monad. < 1384969356 467156 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1384969409 592580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mushrooms can get moldy? I didn't know that. < 1384969416 151110 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the mold super-death-mold because it can grow on other funguses? < 1384969439 239589 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what shall I do for the PDF? should I remove the Minecraft invention snippet, or keep it and append the not fnord? < 1384969445 608098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just the mushrooms that kept growing for a bit? or is it just plain mold... < 1384969465 934775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think you should follow the high-level policy you surely must have formulated before now. < 1384969507 654739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless boily is mechanism, not policy < 1384969514 384651 :darklust_!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384969531 787291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rule Nº 1: do whatever it is that feels right, and or keeps eldritch abominations at bay. < 1384969544 183479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I am not mechanism, I am at Canada. < 1384969695 931283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may still request that your article be published with unrestricted public access, as [REDACTED] is a hybrid publication allowing either traditional publication or Open Access publication. The author publication charge for making your paper Open Access is a discounted US$1750.00, --" I'm not going to start paying that kind of money! < 1384969719 566765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As far as I know, we don't have a university-wide open access policy guideline thing that'd say they'd pay it.) < 1384969744 321588 :Darklust!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384969754 87702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :publish somewhere else, obviously, you can't avoid being evil if you play with those guys < 1384969899 351316 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1384970204 244661 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384970460 318755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :publish on arxiv. i hear you can win millennium prizes that way. < 1384970782 381063 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384970850 380760 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384971287 83166 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384971377 190973 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384971473 216783 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1384971486 323514 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384971510 108513 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the journal might not allow preprints. < 1384971674 882780 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1384971767 114826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are your words preprinted? < 1384971767 310570 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if i were to try to get ppl to think and think and think and think and think and think. < 1384971812 644286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 fungot < 1384971812 838673 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: int fnord c) < 1384971899 122763 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1384972067 859156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a lot of thinking < 1384972168 688377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is the great thinker < 1384972168 858489 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no idea what half of this it keeps a log cabin < 1384972189 828310 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: think harder! < 1384972189 985950 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i signed lotsa those < 1384972195 573874 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: log cabins are good. < 1384972195 841259 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: let's assume local variables are kept in the interpreter, already written many times i set it < 1384972219 871406 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a sane assumption < 1384972220 81165 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do you prefer books or tv? huh....intriguing have you ever been to. personally i'm not a common lisper? just kidding. < 1384972237 798671 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you do common lisp eh < 1384972245 648393 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding < 1384972254 950293 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: books are better, im[REDACTED]o. < 1384972255 127198 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but the word has had the fnord setup? :) " migrate my process thence!" :) < 1384972281 606364 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a great plot twist, the “fnord setup”. I never see it coming. < 1384972281 802515 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( ( lambda ( x y) ( define ( min. xs)) ( lambda < 1384972289 366410 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is asking the important questions here < 1384972289 567445 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: found a metallic coat-hanger actually. category pattern* restaurant/pattern template i like to think that performance is a great example < 1384972297 817053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [REDACTED] journal does allow preprints, for the record. < 1384972331 165192 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the restaurant pattern? < 1384972362 244966 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, british people, can someone tell me what the fuck a 'reader' is < 1384972433 288599 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23LERNorigin&src=hash&f=realtime neat talk on abiogenesis going on (random sorry) < 1384972478 307613 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384972542 197610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: reader is a pretty common word, what's the context? < 1384972549 782768 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in a university < 1384972586 46155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can mean textbook < 1384972598 599810 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'i am a reader at x university' < 1384972631 84582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4. reviewer, referee, reader -- (someone who reads manuscripts and judges their suitability for publication)"? < 1384972650 639725 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... it always seems like a permanent position though < 1384972656 981940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"7. lector, lecturer, reader -- (a public lecturer at certain universities)"? < 1384972681 410055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The latter sounds more likely.) < 1384972681 636459 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1384972696 735948 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this lane guy is "Reader in Evolutionary Biochemistry, Department of Genetics, Evolution and Environment, University College London" < 1384972709 787959 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384972713 981540 :other1!~analice@62.201.214.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384972717 796905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4. (chiefly UK) A university lecturer below a professor." (Wiktionary.) < 1384972737 857009 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:reader, fr:sous-fifre. < 1384972773 446394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The title of reader in the United Kingdom and some universities in the Commonwealth nations, for example Australia and New Zealand, denotes an appointment for a senior academic with a distinguished international reputation in research or scholarship. It is an academic rank above senior lecturer (or principal lecturer in the new universities), recognising a distinguished record of original ... < 1384972779 418396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... research at professorial level. In the British ranking, for some universities a reader could be seen as a professor without a chair, similar to the distinction between professor extraordinarius and professor ordinarius at some European universities, professor and chaired professor in Hong Kong and professor B and chaired professor in Ireland. Both readers and professors in the UK would ... < 1384972785 424699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... correspond to professors in the US." < 1384972789 210653 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that «sous-fifre» is usually pejorative) < 1384972789 585040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is slightly the same as the Finnish use of the title of docent. < 1384972793 61460 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how confusing. < 1384972807 361537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "An incompatibility of ranking systems between different (English-speaking) countries makes the position of reader difficult to place outside the context of the United Kingdom. A similar title used in some countries, for instance in Sweden, is docent, which is officially translated in English as reader." Guess so. < 1384972840 178804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My immediate supervisor got certified as a docent the other day. < 1384972943 361843 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-41-211.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1384973005 253672 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an academic is suffering. < 1384973009 32617 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-41-211.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1384973009 190214 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384973185 549639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was insufferable, instead. < 1384973193 37887 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is meduka meguca. < 1384973762 329530 :other1!~analice@62.201.214.8 QUIT : < 1384974028 315449 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384974335 512574 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384974342 356947 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384975690 186645 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-61.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384975696 886536 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-61.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1384975861 143283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1384976083 317607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : London and Paris are easy, they're both in Ontario! <-- rubbish, everyone knows paris is in texas < 1384976266 618305 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yukon's Paris is better than Texas's paris, I say. < 1384976275 571129 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, helloerjan.) < 1384976311 52695 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily: what's this namello business you're tello? < 1384976329 738157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I'm perpetuating a fine chännel tradition. < 1384976379 212278 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. there's also a Paris, and a London, in Kiribati.) < 1384976402 517501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shockingly, wikipedia lists no other nonfictional trondheims. < 1384976537 130636 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Platelet_Disorder ← we have a blood disease! < 1384976605 773794 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhellouse < 1384976683 722453 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mrhmouse < 1384976685 900863 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1384976686 471509 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               | < 1384976686 629173 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             o/`¯º < 1384976698 778275 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Let It Be” in Minor Key http://youtu.be/SeIyX4KXgpE < 1384976699 575337 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the myndzi-bot is back! < 1384976736 184862 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of weird arrangements, who suggested g-major videos to me? < 1384976774 922670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm myndzi hasn't been gone, although he _did_ make his script ignore HackEgo ... < 1384976792 335504 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, http://youtu.be/cKce8d_ffS4) < 1384976796 635087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has obviously broken again. < 1384976851 810600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we have enough information on mrhmouse to add an entry yet. < 1384976966 689667 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/04/19/synthetic-xna-molecules-can-evolve-and-store-genetic-information-just-like-dna/ how are vhs/betamax analogies so common < 1384976977 638522 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the 80s (it was the 80s right) were all ads about betamax and vhs or something < 1384977063 863731 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384977079 977658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicked on that link in a vain hope to discover X was for "xylitol".
< 1384977102 240290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's a sugar replacement, right? < 1384977123 438572 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll just have to survive with cyclohexane. < 1384977177 840878 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20017539 good news! < 1384977184 773330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm xylose exists, so xylonucleic acid _should_ be reasonable < 1384977275 305355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes notes for his next Paranoia campaign... “Give a player a bottle of xylylylytic acid”
< 1384977311 577468 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sugar, dude. < 1384977358 401123 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1384977372 339704 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't have the clearance to know that :D < 1384977386 502749 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, heh. < 1384977399 380639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google claims xylylylytic is not a word hth < 1384977418 955866 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :describe it as an "extremely virulent bioinformation precursor" < 1384977724 695325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : At least there seems to be no university in Cambridge, MA, [...] <-- you should ban yourself for trolling hth < 1384977783 439277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately, proofread your lines. < 1384977834 708092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, stop being idle. < 1384977883 435550 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1384977917 479655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tapes an electronic eggtimer onto fizzie
< 1384977925 706126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about i stop being idle instead < 1384977941 355253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot ban fizzie. < 1384978124 23632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could if you +oed me < 1384978138 938004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i probably wouldn't) < 1384978307 942478 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses the days where he had voice. those were nice days.
< 1384978310 645021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, http://www.lionking.org/~timwi/progs.htm <-- how has timwi avoided being sued by hasbro and/or mattel < 1384978330 905685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: s/w/sh/ < 1384978333 226783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're too creeped out < 1384978353 597418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not a moralist; i can't make "should" statements < 1384978389 388200 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :boily > 1384978389 733142 NAMES :#esoteric < 1384978446 995708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: marvelous < 1384978608 855259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Gregor not have voice < 1384978611 147459 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks anonymous < 1384978611 999901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix this imho < 1384978612 668286 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, anonymous. Thanonymous. < 1384978645 286252 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat "$(which thanks)" < 1384978646 988768 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_."; < 1384978745 287094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's part of our anti-idling campaign hth < 1384978785 855430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :antiïdling < 1384978890 680482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1384978892 854385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, guess whose video's on the front page of /r/math: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHvAqDuWG2M < 1384978895 633678 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, palatalized. Thalatalized. < 1384978971 964121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1384978980 915792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1384978984 865876 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, tjosentme. Thosentme. < 1384979018 139577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1384979043 380661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: who is this tjo you're speaking for < 1384979076 308359 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you coerce HackEgo into speaking? < 1384979076 466043 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is is occasionally identity, and weak tables. < 1384979085 857630 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: see, your tables are weak! < 1384979190 436237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why doesn't he have a french accent < 1384979197 160246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he... does? < 1384979235 704188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it's too slight for me to hear < 1384979299 52774 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: enlighten me < 1384979299 270925 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: none at all. :( i can't even be printed!! for dessert, i'll have to write < 1384979326 397576 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, seems... philosophical < 1384979330 473780 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384979526 158117 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: Who is he? < 1384979537 377996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made unlambda < 1384979540 355555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps other things also < 1384979540 714342 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1384979673 687804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he's done esolangs for a decade. < 1384979691 149371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean he never responded to the programs i sent him, the bastard. < 1384979995 395200 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384980001 655935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1384980001 873217 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1384980036 675470 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < 1384980038 38666 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1384980045 73174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1384980049 103756 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :``run run < 1384980050 415176 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `run: not found < 1384980056 184049 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` run run < 1384980057 476151 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: run: command not found < 1384980065 592192 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` fortune < 1384980067 688163 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just know when a relationship is about to end. My girlfriend called me \ at work and asked me how you change a lightbulb in the bathroom. "It's very \ simple," I said. "You start by filling up the bathtub with water..." < 1384980093 233099 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are all the fortunes creepy < 1384980097 496195 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1384980097 844761 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bisexual; I get it maybe twice a year. < 1384980098 2551 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Rodney Dangerfield < 1384980137 349552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're secretly all misfortunes < 1384980213 373610 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384980277 676825 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune < 1384980279 305471 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See store for details. < 1384980285 167846 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay. < 1384980302 261790 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^fortune < 1384980326 124947 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ruddy fortunes? < 1384980326 735565 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH EM GEEEEEE < 1384980338 706027 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so < 1384980343 316455 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy's certainly excited about fortune < 1384980343 596895 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. Just not the same one < 1384980343 754489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure. < 1384980354 522222 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, who is polytone? < 1384980367 33414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e used to be mono < 1384980375 276748 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh. subtle. < 1384980419 609521 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :polytone: i always toldja that the antiphony was gonna be outdated, but nooooo, you didn't even want to TRY those newfangled fortepianos < 1384980543 763280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ` < 1384980545 256963 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/` < 1384980560 987339 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1384980562 394922 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1" < 1384980579 170212 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ` ` `````` ``` < 1384980580 506460 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1384980600 921507 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` `\`` < 1384980602 383649 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: command substitution: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: command substitution: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1384980608 938270 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`!! < 1384980610 374825 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: !!: not found < 1384980620 873293 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run `\`` < 1384980622 278724 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: command substitution: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: command substitution: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1384980626 194263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1384980646 817316 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`history | tail -n 1 < 1384980648 27999 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: history: not found < 1384980652 116499 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`́ < 1384980653 408300 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ́: not found < 1384980775 731790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` '`' 'echo hi' < 1384980777 191100 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1384980783 142642 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good assembler for windows? < 1384980826 293999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally you want windows made in one piece, they're rather hard to assemble afterwards. < 1384980843 180769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: tasm, iirc. < 1384980862 896963 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t/y/ < 1384980932 899664 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yasm? < 1384980949 272294 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, found it < 1384980950 132232 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1384980996 366703 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1384981029 282508 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck < 1384981036 367626 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I launch it it closes immediatly < 1384981041 478035 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the same thing with NASM < 1384981077 730298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what commandline did you call it with? < 1384981101 686015 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know < 1384981105 552150 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE CLICK < 1384981159 994210 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your sass has been noted and approved < 1384981220 986516 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : I'm pretty sure if I had the assembly program of windows, I'd be a rich man < 1384981223 849383 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could SELL IT < 1384981237 994856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: wat < 1384981241 132636 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: try running it in a console and checking for error messages. maybe it segfaulted? is that a thing in Windows-land? < 1384981269 58154 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1384981270 262230 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man < 1384981278 629051 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't opened the windows command thing in a while < 1384981285 20720 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it just printed help and exited or something < 1384981300 949394 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah dir how I missed you < 1384981306 661935 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays with the classes it's all ls < 1384981374 876721 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows commandline makes me feel like I'm instructing a grade school student to do calculus over the phone in a language they don't understand < 1384981384 381131 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION covers Slereah_ with a robe made of stitched 5¼" floppies, all with a glittering different DOS version
< 1384981406 664176 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, where can I get such a robe as Slereah_? < 1384981406 858602 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it's easy to parse < 1384981415 393239 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To launch nasm.exe, it's just nasm, right? < 1384981423 794359 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1384981424 908718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1384981427 897393 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Depends. Is it in your %PATH%? < 1384981429 687721 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an input file I guess < 1384981436 491171 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's bitching < 1384981438 969875 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1384981445 615337 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's whip up some ASM I guess < 1384981468 335136 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ax,1 < 1384981471 646208 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST PROGRAM < 1384981523 126943 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very program. much efficient. < 1384981530 378407 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384981560 773276 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such register < 1384981562 35719 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1384981571 278803 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it did a thing at least < 1384981581 495880 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let's try a thing that will display a thing < 1384981682 524147 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to use a library or syscalls < 1384981687 938658 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even use syscalls nowadays. < 1384981697 856262 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for printing. on windows.) < 1384981717 708809 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried using thems interrupts < 1384981720 446855 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't work < 1384981732 954948 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your guide from the dos era < 1384981740 361644 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I'm using the wrong syntax for the assembler or if I just fucked up < 1384981757 449882 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://w3.ufsm.br/rmbranco/cefet_files/Apostila/8086%20Assembly.pdf < dunno < 1384981758 91896 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the exact nature of 'didn't work' < 1384981763 119390 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1384981768 261468 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't display a thang < 1384981774 55921 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it assembled? < 1384981788 468758 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm should complain if you give it something syntactically invalid. < 1384981788 639043 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1384981797 317659 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right < 1384981801 622522 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just assemble it < 1384981804 450721 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't run it < 1384981810 699573 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it does not. < 1384981827 432723 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1384981843 787366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384981875 904734 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, how do I read it now < 1384981884 616857 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just test.asm -> test < 1384981894 456761 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :read? that's gonna be a binary. < 1384981909 849556 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried inputting "test", no work < 1384981917 784125 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you normally run programs on windows? < 1384981918 639773 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried adding a .exe file extension, it bitched < 1384981937 471991 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well usually I just click 'em < 1384981952 362913 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have to command line things, I just input the exe name in the directory < 1384981958 811345 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: usually, you only get object code. you need to link that afterwards to make a real executable. < 1384981959 695412 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here it doesn't seem to work < 1384981966 348673 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1384981975 919985 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd better read the nasm docv < 1384981978 186165 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i forgot linking. dumb. < 1384981995 19259 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, 245 pages < 1384981998 794082 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not part of nasm. have you got gcc or something? usually they can call the linker for you < 1384982000 197620 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this week end < 1384982006 370992 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1384982007 861926 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1384982027 751089 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, no, it's dev c++ < 1384982039 421364 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _think_ you can link "test.o" by just calling "gcc test.o". < 1384982052 88855 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mingw oughta be able to do it too. < 1384982061 21645 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should reinstall linux < 1384982061 938045 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it would be pretty much the same < 1384982072 203751 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I got classes on it prolly easier to deal with < 1384982138 311667 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy can link as well. ruddy is the best at linking. < 1384982139 542888 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. Just not the same one < 1384982176 224289 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1384982186 925756 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384982187 123036 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the NASM syntax is a bit more complicated than I thought < 1384982228 981668 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NASM manual isn't very clear on how to use macros :-( < 1384982245 35760 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what format should I pick < 1384982246 571286 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1384982253 601933 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use ELF in the example, but I'm not sure < 1384982258 549294 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On windows use PE. < 1384982266 767033 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How *do* you figure out what kind of file a file is without relying on file extensions, in windows? < 1384982276 665016 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too used to just `file`ing stuff I don't know what it is < 1384982286 283335 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ASCII text" < 1384982289 785573 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly : You don't! < 1384982293 307764 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't think you can.. < 1384982298 699456 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< < 1384982302 623358 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at least not from the GUI < 1384982304 675406 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mouth < 1384982318 524757 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually what I do is to just open it with a variety of programs < 1384982326 760602 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually notepad is a pretty good int for the content < 1384982338 226972 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: ELF (Executable and Linking Format) is the format on unixy machines. macs use either that or mach-o, i forget. windows uses PE (Portable Executable). < 1384982346 694371 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :file? format? fuck it < 1384982348 896729 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay thanks. < 1384982561 16000 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to write some assembly man :( < 1384982573 949403 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384982583 502583 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's Format, you were right the first time < 1384982590 309744 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing assembly to deal with shells and linking! < 1384982597 709658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly man, assembly man, does whatever assembly can. < 1384982615 102539 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so, everything, but in no reasonable time at all? < 1384982641 964500 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: on the contrary, understanding linking is an important advantage of understanding assembly-level mechanisms. < 1384982644 580519 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: any reason you chose x86 first? IIRC MIPS assembly is supposedly easier to jump into. disclaimer: I haven't actually used it < 1384982655 354087 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384982660 472314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: some assembly required. it's even spelled out in the name! < 1384982662 976714 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because Slereah_'s computer is x86 < 1384982667 491521 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty good reason. < 1384982680 485943 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384982681 684839 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just shoot electrons at my CPU < 1384982684 316167 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was I saying < 1384982693 250270 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you miss something? Check the logs? < 1384982696 274309 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@uname Slereah < 1384982696 443603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1384982702 110240 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1384982704 833769 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:23:13] fizzie: so, everything, but in no reasonable time at all? < 1384982704 991800 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:23:38] I'll just shoot electrons at my CPU < 1384982704 991968 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:23:57] * Disconnected < 1384982710 969431 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you missed some things. < 1384982714 92783 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway mars is pretty good for mips http://courses.missouristate.edu/kenvollmar/mars/ < 1384982724 945829 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does windows have a uname? < 1384982744 458138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm a SPIM man, myself. < 1384982747 564889 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a system information dialogue in the control panel, or there was last i used one, anyway < 1384982772 530829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though they've wimped it out completely with a QtSpim.) < 1384982784 350721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1384982785 832816 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.7.0-umlbox #1 Wed Feb 13 23:30:40 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1384982787 839790 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose x86 'cause it's my CPU < 1384982793 861655 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use a virtual machine < 1384982798 103053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: uname -a < 1384982798 286052 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i have ripped rotty's library out of scheme42, in case somebody is interested, i'll look for you. < 1384982807 962847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"win-r dxdiag" is very slightly like uname, it's what I do. < 1384982817 497170 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please don't look for me. that's frightening. < 1384982817 675994 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: haskell would be ( fnord !p) ( p q)). i woke up < 1384982818 494291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurgh. that stupid dhcp/dns thing scrozzled my perfectly fine hostname. < 1384982840 533148 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dxdiag, lol < 1384982847 95212 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man why do I even need a linking for a single file < 1384982851 978832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: But it's handy! < 1384982858 601253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my machine is «njorun», not «aboily-pc»! < 1384982867 54780 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: because most nontrivial files use library routines. < 1384982884 354481 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384982893 558650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's a "System Information" block on the first tab, and it's always in path. < 1384982910 387004 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use machine code, not libraries ;w; < 1384982927 32926 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll think differently when you want to use printf. < 1384982963 980409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: imo look for Bike instead < 1384982964 159653 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: swear filtering gone wrong or a deliberate, evil plot. < 1384982969 427317 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted printf I'd use some C < 1384982983 668550 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you want to do in assembly? < 1384982991 782031 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeh I dunno < 1384982994 239920 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just try it out < 1384982997 975783 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, there's a problem. < 1384983005 202921 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it's the next thing on our curriculum < 1384983012 462870 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it. you need some kind of function to do something as basic as outputting a number as text. < 1384983013 250392 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably a good idea to check it out < 1384983014 752330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%d %.3f" 1 1.0 < 1384983016 51848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Text.Printf.PrintfType t) < 1384983016 209602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity c... < 1384983019 588599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%d %.3f" 1 1.0 :: String < 1384983020 724001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 1.000" < 1384983021 234436 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what architecture is in your curriculum? < 1384983033 948890 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not specified < 1384983040 977849 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume x86 since we have regular PCs < 1384983049 311872 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the latter, I believe < 1384983049 469664 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: whoa i changed it to < 1384983057 204975 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good assumption. lots of assembly classes use VM tools. < 1384983062 930637 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1384983063 263622 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I covered assembly, we used MIPS < 1384983064 454826 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll see < 1384983067 859475 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I paid attention < 1384983068 999541 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS at my school too. < 1384983080 373462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used a kinda weird kinda MIPSy thing < 1384983080 658262 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I saw that you can access the PC speaker pretty easily in assembly, which is neat < 1384983085 794379 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also nowadays there's a slim chance the students have ARM-based netbooks, ha ha. < 1384983086 541948 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try fucking around with that < 1384983104 143846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is terribly common for assembly courses. < 1384983107 125090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We did it too.) < 1384983128 249319 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is universal for assembly courses. we did it too. < 1384983139 399577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips seems popular (it's a fairly pure RISC architecture) < 1384983145 951523 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think assembly starts next week < 1384983150 556363 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unix class ends tomorrow < 1384983153 726723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used Nios II, which looks very similar to MIPS from what I've seen about MIPS, but for some reason the Wikipedia article for Nios II doesn't even mention MIPS < 1384983156 852119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is short for "Mips Is Popular in Schools". < 1384983162 76909 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1384983186 742635 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn MIPS Is Popular In Schools. < 1384983191 626765 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1384983237 520304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good one < 1384983245 276675 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: low-level sound in #esoteric? have you seen stackbeat? :) < 1384983248 624051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: PDFed. < 1384983250 523744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPIS Is Popular in Schools < 1384983255 668637 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1384983262 933637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1384983302 48587 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rePDFed. < 1384983312 500063 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1384983331 761221 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384983375 496953 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: GÀ! < 1384983378 210927 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384983526 638092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn MIPS Is Popular in Schools. < 1384983531 110395 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1384983541 311799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't have that. < 1384983615 171714 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, can you write a binary by hand? < 1384983628 534591 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101010101 < 1384983630 679694 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the program, figure out the opcodes, translate it to ASCII < 1384983639 937631 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii? what? < 1384983650 965792 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: check it out. maybe you'll get some inspiration for a project in assembly http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackBeat < 1384983652 402309 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, put it in a txt file < 1384983666 58789 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are confused about what assembly is. < 1384983667 647182 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I _guess_ you could write the opcodes by hand with a hex editor? < 1384983669 775712 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1384983685 794258 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you're not on DOS, you need pexe format. < 1384983688 703361 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware that assembly is to avoid writing opcodes, yes < 1384983701 759023 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just wondering about that other thing < 1384983709 3121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write opcodes -- and executable file headers -- by hand with a good enough text editor, too. (Control characters might be too much for Notepad.) < 1384983710 484184 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how different the Avengers movie would be if Norton had reprised his role as the Hulk < 1384983777 182026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well you *could* restrict your machine code to the printable-ASCII range... < 1384983784 469566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make for some fun programs < 1384983803 425355 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they do that for exploits sometimes < 1384983806 922833 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that ... < 1384983811 444862 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to suggest that < 1384983815 918176 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printable is like < 1384983822 539462 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 to... 200 maybe? < 1384983832 613972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 to 126? < 1384983834 492977 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka ' ' to '~' < 1384983849 537022 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well 126 is guaranteed printable < 1384983850 560169 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII doesn't even have 200 characters :D < 1384983857 107453 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't ASCII 10 the newline? That's printable < 1384983867 156828 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of them are after 126 for the most part < 1384983873 916948 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in le france < 1384983875 346267 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it isn't printable in the sense of what's defined as 'printable ASCII' < 1384983883 945140 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause éàùè < 1384983886 840270 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, "ASCII printable characters" < 1384983889 624509 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#ASCII_printable_characters < 1384983896 89200 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: but those aren't in ASCII. < 1384983904 992216 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Ah, I was just assuming "insertable without control codes" :P < 1384983909 985740 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are in some extension of ASCII, like ISO-8859-1 or whatever < 1384983921 574935 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly : Well they are in some versions of ASCII < 1384983944 999749 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suppose "new line" is a control code.. < 1384983953 868861 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're characters undefined by the ASCII norms < 1384983965 462234 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for the most part they are used if needed < 1384984024 3792 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is ASCII 7 or 8 bits? < 1384984026 426328 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1384984027 870866 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven. < 1384984030 104175 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1384984034 367323 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the 8 bit one? < 1384984039 724060 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of them. < 1384984044 151171 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as iso whatever. < 1384984053 741038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-8859-1 aka Latin-1 is p. popular. < 1384984063 631738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe "was" is a better word. < 1384984095 801718 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1384984114 22386 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think utf-8/utf-16 are more popular these days. maybe 32? < 1384984124 62663 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is the only worthy charset nowadays < 1384984137 436976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/charset/set of charsets/ < 1384984141 44865 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has fond memories of codepage 437
< 1384984142 302862 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :charsetset < 1384984148 594715 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is great, but < 1384984155 390655 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no font that has all of it < 1384984156 639322 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess techincally Unicode could be considered a charset, but not an encoding? < 1384984161 813136 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I find frustrating < 1384984162 66149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if there was still quite a lot of Windows-1252 stuff around. < 1384984165 716134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1384984175 108990 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically? unicode has multiple encodings < 1384984186 559968 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: right < 1384984186 874461 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a font that has all the unicode characters < 1384984197 911448 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: "yes i often find myself stymied when i want to use SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW, burmese, and × in the same text" < 1384984212 813652 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : 𓃡𓃢𓃣𓃤𓃥𓃦𓃧𓃨𓃩𓃪𓃫 < 1384984224 621283 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1384984231 740180 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what does it matter, if your font renderer just falls back to a font that has the character if your preferred font doesn't? < 1384984233 176802 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𓃡𓃢𓃣𓃤𓃥𓃦𓃧𓃨𓃩𓃪𓃫 < 1384984235 348437 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE1 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE2 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE3 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE4 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE5 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE6 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE7 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE8 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCE9 DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCEA DUNNO] [U+D80C DUNNO] [U+DCEB DUNNO] < 1384984241 745454 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1384984248 453153 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly : Some characters are displayed by almost no font < 1384984260 525392 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're very new to the standard? < 1384984261 320400 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually I recently came across something in Windows-1251 at work.. but I can't find it now :( < 1384984263 124461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: UCS-2 build of Python strikes again. < 1384984270 861186 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : http://codepoints.net/egyptian_hieroglyphs < 1384984275 285617 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hasn't unicode got a balloon or a candle? < 1384984276 970213 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly : 2008 < 1384984289 825433 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic : They did the emoji recently, I think? < 1384984291 861524 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have picked coptic, myself. < 1384984294 790236 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's probably some in it < 1384984311 826749 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been doing emoji because of pressure to add emoji. < 1384984312 738981 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the essential ♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖ ♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙ ♟♟♟♟♟♟♟♟ ♜♞♝♛♚♝♞♜ characters < 1384984312 946742 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coptic is basically greek < 1384984321 329176 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, yeah sure. < 1384984324 513487 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: why don't you make a font with all the codepoints no-one else has bothered to implement, so we all could install that? < 1384984326 443210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1384984342 455591 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, don't forget the domino pieces. or the Mahjongg pieces. < 1384984349 686446 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly : Well I just need some time to design 65 million characters < 1384984350 437185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very essential characters, those < 1384984362 853449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but for shogi there's only ☖☗⛉⛊) < 1384984363 901254 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: maybe that's why no-one else has bothered < 1384984368 761351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't 65 million characters in Unicode. < 1384984376 154359 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am but one man < 1384984395 785007 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1384984404 289152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no dedicated go stones, go players must do with circles, I believe. < 1384984406 665570 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much they're up to < 1384984412 307496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so unfair :) < 1384984458 501078 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unicode defines a codespace of 1,114,112 code points in the range 0hex to 10FFFFhex" < 1384984480 834689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they've allocated only about a hundred thousand and a bit. < 1384984493 145826 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many times has this channel talked about unicode. man < 1384984494 786482 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot in the "to do" area though < 1384984495 378794 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384984517 658476 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're planning on doing fucking Aztec script < 1384984523 340666 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, more ... ⛀⛁⛂⛃ ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅ < 1384984553 566094 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/roadmaps/smp/ < 1384984562 875221 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cuneiform < 1384984580 89333 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you want to send an email to King Hammurabi < 1384984590 828364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :☔ <- unicode protection, it's raining characters. < 1384984637 176198 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i'm looking forward to tangut support. < 1384984640 603358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like U+1F5FE SILHOUETTE OF JAPAN, at least it's not unclear where all those characters are coming from. < 1384984688 865415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's right next to lots of stupid? cute? whatever smileys. < 1384984696 369764 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : It will only take 17 blocks < 1384984698 811806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also right next to STATUE OF LIBERTY, TOKYO TOWER and MOUNT FUJI. < 1384984720 802080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what they need the STATUE OF LIBERTY for. < 1384984733 166449 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they tragically lack sa's crying eagle emote. < 1384984734 737649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my font (whatever gucharmap is using) doesn't have those :/) < 1384984748 977927 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, they're adding blissymbols? Huh. < 1384984762 972892 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and phaisos disk, nice < 1384984774 837921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :😶 < 1384984781 68939 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, deseret < 1384984803 820634 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to have to use private use for that. < 1384984815 192396 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that point they're just adding whatever ancient script there is < 1384984820 538230 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon there will be cave drawings < 1384984837 183866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+3425C LEFT-FACING MAMMOTH WITH TWO SPEARS < 1384984842 886300 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is supposed to include all text. < 1384984857 385565 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea the hittites had hieroglyphs < 1384984865 729359 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they're not hittite < 1384984868 461611 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff < 1384984870 919470 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait until aliens come and they have to include all alien scripts < 1384984877 358157 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that an actual codepoint? < 1384984894 637938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more irritated by things like U+1D794 MATHEMATICAL SANS-SERIF BOLD ITALIC CAPITAL EPSILON < 1384984900 815395 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+F4A86A GLIXNAR VENUSIAN GLYPH < 1384984916 587184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No. :( < 1384984932 386091 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1384984936 374934 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, is it bad that I had to ask? < 1384984952 823280 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With unicode, you never know < 1384984958 27533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐘 < 1384984961 812603 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a penis character in unicode < 1384984972 941227 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's (at least) five different characters of the moon with a face, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were one for left-facing mammoths with spears < 1384984978 849324 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the egyptian hieroglyph determinative is a penis < 1384984980 171916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't think there's anything in astral plane 3 yet. < 1384984988 106142 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that the aliens have extelligence only in the form of long-term self-sustaining chemical reactions. unicode consortium throne into a penis. < 1384984994 945436 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :panic < 1384985003 600942 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a penis, i really fucked up that sentence < 1384985026 804649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the prime materi... I mean, basic multilingual plane, and astral planes 1, 2, E and F. < 1384985031 404462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny. google for "�" says it matches no pages. duckduckgo displays a picture of an elephant. duckduckgo won that round :) < 1384985040 846302 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're gonna be so embarrassed when it turns out the aliens have 4D letters < 1384985044 915704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1384985051 14675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, they so should call BMP the "prime material plane" in Unicode terminology. < 1384985101 989704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And refer to its characters disparagingly as "primes".) < 1384985115 830067 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the outer planes < 1384985123 115696 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part of unicode is lawful neutral < 1384985146 597072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: there are lots of unassigned codepoints. < 1384985160 141894 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, that's why they're adding more! < 1384985161 814194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got 16 outer planes, they could easily map the D&D standard ring to those. < 1384985171 807257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure whether that's lawful, but it doesn't get any more neutral :) < 1384985193 906607 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that control characters are lawful neutral < 1384985209 130150 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1384985216 720166 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess unicode doesn't have elvish or klingon < 1384985228 740029 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're probably copyrighted anyway < 1384985232 468234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, though both have been proposed. < 1384985241 368677 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also : no Batman or Prince symbol < 1384985290 4977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the proposed Tengwar region is still in the roadmap. < 1384985298 955820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that the Klingon proposal was entirely shot down, at least. < 1384985334 566463 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unicode people probably responded NEEEEEERDS < 1384985447 840730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/roadmaps/smp/ -- Cirth and Tengwar (the Tolkienesque things) are there on line 160, in the font that's for "scripts for which proposals have been formally submitted to the UTC or to WG2". < 1384985480 342854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a result, blogs in pIqaD have begun to appear, --" it's the Klingon blogosphere. < 1384985480 836663 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Requester type Expert request < 1384985493 20649 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Information on the user community? Tengwar enjoys both scholarly and popular use. < 1384985495 943075 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1384985539 992582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's magazines published in it and all. < 1384985548 341130 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1384985643 47903 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably also in Klingon < 1384985657 919686 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You P'takh! < 1384985665 530811 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forget the spelling) < 1384985715 507358 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Tengwar font that just replaces [a-zA-Z0-9] < 1384985751 514036 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :requesting klingon translation of 'blogosphere' < 1384985776 762274 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have no word for blogosphere, but a hundred for flamewars < 1384985779 810797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "shadow registry" of mappings of different conlangs to the Unicode Private Use Area -- http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/ < 1384985794 294637 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEEEERD < 1384985842 856675 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode has blissymbols proposed, but not solresol? < 1384985981 793280 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus fucking christ am i talking about blissymbols just to avoid homework < 1384985997 367582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should type your homework in blissymbols. < 1384985999 439109 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good plan < 1384986016 738478 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great plan < 1384986035 366316 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unsure how to translate 'monocot' < 1384986090 96376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think you combine the symbol for plant and the number 1. < 1384986185 768223 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for plants? what would be like, a gymnosperm, then < 1384986220 809926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably involves some kind of caret pointing at something. < 1384986233 139263 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaky < 1384986252 563351 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if any 'logical language' people have ever looked at what a clusterfuck systematics is. maybe that would convince them they're barking up a nonexistent tree < 1384986304 575818 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everytime I see "lojban", I always interpret it as "logical banter" < 1384986307 901902 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also wonder if any logical language person has seriously considered describing humans in terms of their jaws, as systematists do. < 1384986314 602792 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that's kind of the idea, no? < 1384986325 295451 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it's probably not the etymology < 1384986333 182096 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loj is probably from logic < 1384986335 478411 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ban, not a cxlue < 1384986339 5479 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1384986346 130187 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is, actually. it's not like they only used english roots. < 1384986360 522777 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" "Lojban" is a compound formed from loj and ban, which are short forms of logji (logic) and bangu (language), respectively. " < 1384986377 685244 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, doesn't specify where they got bangu from < 1384986380 764045 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, have you ever thought to yourself, yes, having jaws is awesome < 1384986381 936339 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435123a7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384986383 788271 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cos it is < 1384986392 804098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you considered the many alternatives < 1384986407 88771 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I just have the one jaw, where did you get your second one? < 1384986409 677335 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind having an anteater face < 1384986414 365791 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anteaters are cute! < 1384986418 890047 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what, like mandibles? fuck 'em < 1384986436 211822 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :advantages of jaws include: adaptive immune system < 1384986453 964319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't mandibles a kind of jaws < 1384986491 343108 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean bony jaws. < 1384986502 949949 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the gnathostomata, of which you are and bikes are < 1384986538 847320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you just call me < 1384986561 484844 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gnathostome. < 1384986841 849325 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shachaf is a gnathostome < 1384986846 849024 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1384986960 385411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh do you just overwrite old wisdom entries like that all the time < 1384986986 480549 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does `learn overwrite? I thought it was concatenative < 1384987015 747732 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, it's versioned, so it can be rolled back.. < 1384987072 253997 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it overwrites. < 1384987098 423409 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's unfortunate :( < 1384987162 805057 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: should I revert that, then? < 1384987339 341355 :darklust__!~darklust@cpe-67-249-6-105.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1384987475 928345 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384987573 446967 :darklust_!~darklust@cpe-67-249-5-193.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384987611 427161 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384987855 840690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the old entry < 1384987882 635807 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/6295652cdd8a < 1384987889 448377 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from an hour ago (or so) < 1384987916 553022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's up to me < 1384987919 56596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask oerjan < 1384987938 897894 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just revert it. < 1384988521 352833 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1384988853 134921 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1384989854 599294 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1384990000 419988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (932) < 1384990002 115684 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (932): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1384990594 134086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1384990793 872052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oerjan < 1384990795 380526 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/oerjan: line 1: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA: < 1384990858 378603 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384990916 183000 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1384992135 444111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384992867 784576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1384992969 407603 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384993300 189983 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1384993405 757815 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384993796 884664 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1384993940 210569 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1384994190 308267 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384994225 305245 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1384994527 325674 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1384994709 843552 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go cry in a corner about the betrayal of a language that I was starting to like < 1384994710 388145 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/8496948 < 1384994780 116311 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shot through the heart AND YOU'RE TO BLAME < 1384995157 892054 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the movement lobe so laggy < 1384995228 41050 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1384995245 784768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok, tht's easy to fix < 1384995318 583225 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think im going to create a language, where you just hit the keyboard with your fist randomly < 1384995330 777283 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, aim for a with your fist, and that will me like + for brainfuck < 1384996030 302299 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384996167 374054 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384996495 874800 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435123a7.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1384997582 284738 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1384999617 837883 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-137-99.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385000391 152240 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1385000409 128188 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1385000685 511742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: so the commands will be clusters of letters? and the interpreter tries to guess where one cluster ended and the next one started? < 1385001133 838173 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385001289 455107 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385001337 412011 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385001952 532600 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120fd.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385002088 882827 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385002151 57986 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.127 QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385002613 465608 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120fd.dyn.optonline.net PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1385002841 414912 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385003978 945222 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385006336 897412 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385006381 4627 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385006688 399602 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385009487 967481 :adu!~ajr@96.241.27.127 QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385011245 641272 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385013507 314715 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1385013739 465076 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, indeed < 1385013895 621721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1385013897 767952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385013900 970396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1385013915 429356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is zzo38 when you need him? < 1385013921 935079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inb4 "at Canada") < 1385013928 453306 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moo- oh, sorry < 1385014042 794932 :muahaha!uid10984@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhkltqepzxkqztrm JOIN :#esoteric < 1385014048 45676 :muahaha!uid10984@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhkltqepzxkqztrm PART :#esoteric < 1385014856 440705 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385014976 358696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385015297 331537 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1385016504 585767 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385016717 913964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome shachaf < 1385016722 992630 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13shachaf: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1385016725 584105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally! < 1385016773 912066 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-137-99.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385016952 487486 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1385016976 343262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've been `welcomed before. < 1385016992 89693 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just made it yourself < 1385017188 282237 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is oerjan < 1385017209 74603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome shachaf < 1385017211 254236 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ） < 1385017228 108740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now someone else has welcomed them. happy? < 1385017228 711914 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rercome shachaf < 1385017229 886508 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rercome: not found < 1385017238 896871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've never been welcomed either < 1385017268 574503 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome quintopia < 1385017270 790645 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1385017299 967429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks lexande < 1385017338 858682 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been hth'd? < 1385017361 681489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lexande < 1385017377 238946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i asked you about chu spaces yet < 1385017410 222828 :darklust_!~darklust@cpe-67-249-6-105.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385017410 593652 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s a choo choo space? < 1385017421 610990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan why did you expand the definitions of sin and cos on SELECT.? and why not the others? (i prefer the unexpanded versions because it shortens the code i have to write if i can just call other ones as subroutines.) < 1385017421 768827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385017450 182204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you've never asked me hth < 1385017462 791095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: there's a channel for that < 1385017480 589033 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cslounge-topologicalgeneralizations < 1385017491 611086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cslounge-bikes does exist < 1385017518 666250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cuts a red deck of bikes
< 1385017545 546589 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't csharp basically an esolang? < 1385017547 885668 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides
< 1385017560 454745 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, i don't know about them, sorry < 1385017565 812018 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should i lounge on #cslounge? < 1385017571 301758 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is C++ still kmc's favourite esolang? < 1385017624 310796 :darklust__!~darklust@cpe-67-249-6-105.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385017635 513259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: let's talk about SLI < 1385017648 215624 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1385017661 980092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a working complex SLI library? < 1385017673 187743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: tough question < 1385017676 540094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'm aware of < 1385017692 368816 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you have to work out the operations < 1385017696 948877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how to fast add and multiply in SLI < 1385017708 362870 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: once saul kripke was walking in DC and he saw john nash, so he went up to him and say "hi, i'm saul kripke, it's an honour to meet you professor nash." and nash said "who are you!? who sent you!?" < 1385017710 32626 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^a * e^b is e^(a+b), so recursin' < 1385017717 114740 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so kripke said "aaaah!" < 1385017723 299923 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nash said "aaaah!" < 1385017726 90275 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so kripke said "aaaah!" < 1385017727 606202 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nash said "aaaah!" < 1385017734 929632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385017749 362739 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unknown how many times this iterated < 1385017761 14668 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Acknowledged. < 1385017767 662539 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a nash equilibrium < 1385017771 666978 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^a + e^b is uh... some bullshit < 1385017772 910536 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you do decide to join #cslounge, be prepared to answer a question similar to nash's with a better response than kripke's < 1385017782 199969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in SLI < 1385017839 614224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ is in #cslounge somehow < 1385017877 848297 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been there a while < 1385017896 419053 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder what knowledge you people here have < 1385017904 455623 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wikipedia has a library. https://code.google.com/p/sli-c-library/ < 1385017915 578521 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i can name, like, three different pokemons. < 1385017916 313716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*b=(a-1(whatever plus is)b-1)+1 < 1385017930 309525 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«SLI (symmetric level-index) arithmetic essentially prevents overflow & underflow in computing. With this library, you may use 'SLI' as a normal data type in C++. Replace 'double' with 'SLI' in you program, and over/underflow problem would be solved.» lol < 1385017935 188135 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah that's not implemented complex numbers :P < 1385017935 380844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a seminar this semester about game theory and slowly understand nash equilibrium < 1385017943 165391 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is pretty lame < 1385017982 43412 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely c++ templating makes it a snap to replace the underlying numeric type! < 1385018050 612268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but x*y=ln((e^x)^y), but ln is just -1, and e^ is just +1, so that's just (x+1)(whatever ^ is)y-1 < 1385018058 122247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this one is easier to figure out < 1385018085 464558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ^ is not a simple thing in SLI < 1385018160 990157 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the nash joke :( < 1385018243 892470 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exp(a) * exp(b) = exp(a + b) is 1 + a + b, right < 1385018356 142750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: i heard that story before < 1385018357 994583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it from you < 1385018367 455124 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using multiple forms of arithmetic in the same go like that is confusing. < 1385018371 904146 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably, or kmc < 1385018480 882846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ˖ ᐩ ⁤ ⁺ ₊ ∔ ⊕ ⊞ ➕⧺ ⧻ ⨁ ⨹ hth < 1385018488 437614 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank's < 1385018512 628481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how could i forget, ﬩ < 1385018525 625840 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke my irssi < 1385018528 654913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they use in elementary schools in .il < 1385018539 751194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because + is too christian?? < 1385018554 154184 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go with the first five < 1385018564 330232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be enough < 1385018569 53645 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with + < 1385018579 396645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some schools, anyway. i had it in some books < 1385018592 629065 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You forgot ☩ 卍 卐 hth < 1385018612 540984 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :☮ < 1385018638 33654 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can just decide adding things is overrated. < 1385018677 848990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw did you see my 2064 INVISIBLE PLUS [⁤] < 1385018683 17927 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385018687 76999 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was invisible < 1385018702 500107 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jokes within the Unicode standard are hilarious. < 1385018713 367164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :May you live in INVISIBLE PLUS. < 1385018781 124980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes it would be 1+(a卐b). and a = exp(a)-1, and b=exp(b)-1, but the 卐 is not simple. < 1385018811 603147 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^b = e^(a * log(b)) = 1 +' (a *' (b -' 1)) < 1385018818 38155 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really too tired to think ugh < 1385018826 726008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, b * log a. < 1385018830 249902 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1385018832 252764 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll think ugh for you. < 1385018839 448134 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does anyone pay attention to me. why do i exist? what is life. < 1385018849 895591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first plus is a normal plus < 1385018850 474450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is life. < 1385018850 724060 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'll need to buy bread i assume it was a fools fnord. < 1385018865 532330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is a fools fnord. < 1385018866 845092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the minus is a normal minus < 1385018870 567927 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm using ' to mean "in normal arithmetic", and without it to mean "in SLI" < 1385018878 276599 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is dumb < 1385018878 537340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in that case < 1385018879 295368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385018880 365905 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1385018883 757272 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is not a normal minus, − is a normal minus. < 1385018885 586513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should drop the ' on the * < 1385018890 944917 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you're right. < 1385018896 229122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: - is a HYPHEN—MINUS < 1385018896 498356 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: doesn't mean anything to me either. rather read the algorithm, as well < 1385018923 798124 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, shouldn't it be an en-dash? < 1385018938 590465 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait- just hyphen? < 1385018946 221875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to subtract using em-dashes < 1385018957 772822 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a^b = 1 +' (1 +' (b + (a -' 1))) or so < 1385018977 896447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pedant trap. let's see who else falls in. < 1385018982 817299 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is bullshit that i hate though. fuck it. die. mother < 1385018985 326954 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, that reminds me of Unispace < 1385019023 186081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even trying to figure out < 1385019029 131851 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who fucking knows < 1385019032 329480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sli < 1385019041 704728 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think it may be easier to define + and * in terms of ^ and have ^ be the one complicated algorithm < 1385019053 37020 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever even been so far decided as to more like < 1385019054 267974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :service level initiative?? < 1385019059 336593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: p. sure ion has < 1385019073 717412 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what are you doing now? < 1385019093 932973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone really been so far even as do go be look more like? < 1385019098 480101 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four hundred nineteen armless and legless corpses float conspicuously through the remains of the hangar < 1385019101 833930 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining ^ : N x N -> Q? < 1385019209 722219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: definininininining ^ CxC->C where C uses the SLI representation < 1385019210 390280 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sli is where each number has two parts, a regular small significand, and a whateverthefuckinand such that the value of the number is the power tower of e's whateverthefuckinand tall with the significand at the top < 1385019230 442983 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sign-Level-Index? < 1385019233 654612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call them level and index < 1385019234 717953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385019238 965236 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1385019241 773944 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :symmetric level index < 1385019250 324898 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah got it < 1385019309 828841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it really only makes sense in the complex field if we only allow anyone ever to use the principal branch < 1385019323 165050 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other branches can fuck themselves < 1385019339 504024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, brances do have crotches between them < 1385019343 990682 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :+h < 1385019360 679767 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -1 branch of lambert is such an asshole at parties < 1385019370 147309 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm not dressed as andrew jackson you dumb motherfucker < 1385019407 107854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the branches of the product-log polyamorous < 1385019432 983188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do seem to like to get together at one point < 1385019439 52840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just a coincidence? < 1385019754 573253 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2FBFb0024702 < 1385019794 389073 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385019872 59337 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thirty bucks < 1385019896 813083 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1385019913 760410 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385020382 434336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bargain < 1385020424 200854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a hint in the abstract < 1385020433 4814 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithms are recursive < 1385020451 593679 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it comin' < 1385020460 422451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sucks though < 1385020473 569871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :means compute time is slow < 1385020479 122312 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably O(i) < 1385020482 435968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1385020499 488065 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean O(l+p^k) < 1385020503 452643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1385020510 70771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :k probably less than 2 < 1385020549 990517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also talks about "the original recursive algorithms for arithmetic" < 1385020557 224206 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning those are exposed somewhere besides this paper < 1385020558 441617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1385020563 354229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we find them < 1385020573 819038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1385020574 629570 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical arithmetic is recursive too... < 1385020577 767913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source code < 1385020623 516838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical arithmetic is usually implemented iteratively, and a lot of it is ENTIRELY parallelizable < 1385020671 184872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, to do x^y, you don't compute x*(x^(y-1)) < 1385020732 567908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyways < 1385020734 693292 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source code < 1385020739 8429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the answer lies < 1385020812 310292 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this i don’t even http://redalertlive.com/2013/11/18/body-modification-piercings-lip-plates/ < 1385020973 276864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY < 1385021042 113583 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyriak & cyriak & cyriak < 1385021082 151606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's that person < 1385021085 82502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who makes those videos < 1385021939 255010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember now < 1385022499 739360 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a community like this one, but for non-esoteric prog langs? < 1385022586 56330 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like where you can talk about the creation of programming languages, unharmed :P < 1385022797 198753 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make #nonesoteric < 1385022844 506413 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem like such discussion would be considered offtopic here? < 1385022959 700743 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it would to me, or could be. < 1385023029 438271 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just went ahead and made #nonesoteric :P < 1385023140 937145 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thats a stupid name :P < 1385023162 353944 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the creation of programming languages doesnt mean just nonesoteric ones < 1385023194 866332 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this channel is centered around esoteric, so thats why I was wondering. < 1385023210 435157 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there should be a channel for each real number representing esotericness. < 1385023241 768105 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear #esoteric-0.594381… is great. < 1385023254 354202 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will check it out :P < 1385024474 162861 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385026274 527500 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: Please don't create a Java derivative. < 1385026275 115879 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385026301 769162 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah; Derplang 2.0 :P < 1385026306 130069 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example would would be < 1385026310 233763 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :var x int 1 < 1385026312 507214 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :out x < 1385026313 120060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385026313 710966 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I suggest a more verbose version of J < 1385026315 188620 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> 1 < 1385026318 25249 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like J < 1385026320 870161 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's to unreadable < 1385026326 822274 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a non J-er like me) < 1385026328 726157 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1385026334 814486 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385026349 534265 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generally I'm pretty sure J kicks ass < 1385026374 611864 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see :P < 1385026399 979669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we need more kick ass languages < 1385026438 318356 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derplang is going to be a kick ass language :P < 1385026452 738362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1385026452 897488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 2h 30m 31s ago: why did you expand the definitions of sin and cos on SELECT.? and why not the others? (i prefer the unexpanded versions because it shortens the code i have to write < 1385026453 55346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can just call other ones as subroutines.) < 1385026463 544404 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too lowlevel @derplang < 1385026485 343665 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385026501 191234 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :var x add 2 2 < 1385026505 975413 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :out x # => 4 < 1385026507 628234 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385026511 285578 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly low level < 1385026529 703600 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handling lists is going to be interesting; I was thinking < 1385026533 131696 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :var x list 1 2 3 4 5 < 1385026537 223347 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :out x 0 < 1385026539 234109 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> 1 < 1385026540 165316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia Because SELECT. is a complex number language and the unexpanded versions only hold for reals. and because i didn't remember the inverse versions and my brain didn't feel like working it out. < 1385026540 323122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385026559 664190 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I create 3D figures and then let derplang calculate its volume? < 1385026582 278599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are matrices, vectors < 1385026584 163965 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1385026584 823080 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not forth < 1385026602 118812 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want special things, you probably will have to implement it yourself. < 1385026660 971327 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what C said. < 1385026662 279526 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill create a package manager thing, so we can easily share libraries :P < 1385026692 67110 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, lol i get it < 1385026703 530072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia alternatively s/remember/ever learn how branch cuts work for/ < 1385026703 726584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385026774 207439 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least don't use Integers for Listindices < 1385026783 143791 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or array indices < 1385026785 988761 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1385026792 434024 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you mad < 1385026810 675061 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a data type for indicies < 1385026830 484782 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that behaves like an integer but safer < 1385026886 629631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t range < 1385026888 658299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix a => (a, a) -> [a] < 1385026915 333565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> range ((0,0),(1,1)) < 1385026916 718634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(0,1),(1,0),(1,1)] < 1385027051 481488 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less an iterator < 1385027060 415363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that overloads + and - or something < 1385027075 583842 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Java had operator overloading . < 1385027127 736479 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operator Overloading for Haskell... < 1385027149 21293 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they consider that to prevent operator hell? < 1385027179 806912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. uhm < 1385027204 249727 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: String -> Int; foo x = read x; foo :: Int -> String; foo x = show x; < 1385027225 362162 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it would be possible to detect which version of foo is meant < 1385027238 113739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's what type classes are for. < 1385027247 447006 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1385027254 193977 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But type class != overloading < 1385027270 747549 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e (+) is reserved for Num < 1385027279 321066 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't use (+) for anything that is not a Num < 1385027281 989872 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i (+) < 1385027288 910291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+) < 1385027289 715622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a -> a < 1385027307 265611 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have ++ for strings < 1385027315 81177 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wouln't really work well with the regular + < 1385027319 411115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type classes were invented because the haskell inventors considered usual overloading ugly and messy. < 1385027516 548881 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1385028917 336498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ࠐ < 1385028921 495799 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0810 SAMARITAN LETTER FI] < 1385028930 649264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385028956 22697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⁤ < 1385028957 596134 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2064 INVISIBLE PLUS] < 1385028971 740726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in putty it _is_ invisible. < 1385028977 748200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in IE. < 1385030329 595443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: C# seems pretty un-eso to me < 1385030355 203762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like java but without all the useful features you'd want inexplicably missing < 1385032642 410211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i getting overly trigger happy < 1385033176 846911 :darklust_!~darklust@cpe-67-249-6-105.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385033269 710598 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385033407 678114 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what features? < 1385033448 918079 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385033901 252468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned integers, lambdas, tuples, monad comprehensions (kinda), operator overloading, reference parameters, generators, optional & named arguments, extension methods < 1385033922 61787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_C_Sharp_and_Java < 1385034010 346700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the lambda is also an AST quotation and you can do dynamic macros and JIT them < 1385034155 304360 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1385034196 878560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, C#: actually pretty good and cool < 1385034232 670641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really needed it so far, but I would seriously consider it for a future project, although I'd have to first convince myself Mono is fully-baked enough < 1385034247 207268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was fine for the one toy project I did in C#) < 1385034352 702390 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385034553 698406 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.92.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385035368 68737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit disappointed that those languages are so framework dependant < 1385035396 51897 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# is really a neat language < 1385035415 792832 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd rather have it produce native code < 1385035517 274302 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least they should have considered portability a bit better < 1385035528 925290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does produce native code, via JIT < 1385035537 426189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what properties associated with "native code" do you actually care about? < 1385035622 466063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better for compile'n'run < 1385035637 701641 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "size" < 1385035683 274044 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it's more portable < 1385035754 321815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean that you don't want to have a JIT around at runtime? < 1385035762 951830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for size reasons? < 1385035767 288198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if it's JITed < 1385035796 783189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably even better if it's JITed < 1385035884 770804 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But JIT requires an extra installation of some software on your system < 1385035888 229352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I dislike < 1385035892 933910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385035899 394810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could bundle the JIT with every executable ;P < 1385035903 71035 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1385035915 867322 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure how big the Java JIT is :) < 1385035920 612010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge < 1385035928 23042 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect like... < 1385035933 290847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10MB? < 1385035966 673348 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that sounds too much < 1385035986 988455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway does the C# spec even forbid, say, an ahead-of-time compiled implementation? < 1385035995 410952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether the spec requires the full Common Language Infrastructure < 1385036009 256208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might, I have no specific knowledge of it < 1385036017 396612 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think so @CLI < 1385036022 664142 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't read the spec. < 1385036055 727699 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as C# is used in OSDEV I assume you don't need a huge runtime around it < 1385036076 641518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your complaint is that Microsoft's C# implementation is not the kind of C# implementation you'd want to use, that's not a complaint with C# the language < 1385036081 1956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono has http://www.mono-project.com/AOT < 1385036090 294877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know anything about it past 2 seconds of reading that page ;P < 1385036095 76230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what's it used for in os dev? < 1385036130 883137 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "Hey look I can write an OS in C#"-stuff < 1385036155 523779 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like "Hey look I can write an OS in Ada, Cobol, Pascal, Delphi"-Stuff < 1385036166 907730 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Singularity is probably C#? < 1385036191 930531 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom no < 1385036198 602593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A C#-Derivative < 1385036208 230713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sing# < 1385036209 866924 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385036227 695262 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No C# is fine. < 1385036236 205003 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Framework I don't like :) < 1385036238 511228 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1385036253 791907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1385036257 6762 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1385036261 378789 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Framework < 1385036263 972366 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows :) < 1385036269 624710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Windows so I'd never use MSFT's C# stuff anyway < 1385036275 572828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might use it via Mono sometime < 1385036281 253441 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really future rich < 1385036300 818611 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now with new .NET and wpf and stuff you have even more feature rich stuff < 1385036319 979279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 10000 Classes . < 1385036336 693275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385036355 83614 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Or you find someone who does C# on JVM < 1385036361 569214 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to JVM < 1385036406 485280 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparentely there's the "Stab programming language" < 1385036424 481088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every programming language is a stab programming language < 1385036431 448395 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/stab-language/ < 1385036666 868172 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric frameworks < 1385036670 10561 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there yet any? < 1385036696 356376 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoAPI < 1385036702 36110 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've heard it's dead < 1385036723 998787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^~) < 1385036724 799164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral e, Num a) => ASetter s t a a -> e -> s -> t < 1385036737 306088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385036747 542752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^%) < 1385036748 379077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `^%' < 1385036748 537115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1385036748 537288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : `^' (imported from Prelude), `^^' (imported from Prelude), < 1385036781 195903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%~) < 1385036782 131337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => Setting p s t a b -> p a b -> s -> t < 1385036798 884356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: BRAAAIN < 1385036836 839226 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoob? < 1385036976 287119 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385037671 138283 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385037840 782716 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385037881 969170 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385038694 950941 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385038706 777763 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385038761 127631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385038790 135769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of the chimæric hellos | The most corum, clargoint chait you could ever loofefl your slance in. | Magnus!!!! | Koirammekokaan ei lennä? :( | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1385038795 520303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1385039566 777102 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good exclamative morning? < 1385039578 791285 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan what with the drive-by topicking? < 1385039578 949328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385039619 478810 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385040136 919245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1385040774 750811 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good kmorningc. < 1385041535 330894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you? < 1385042368 879937 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing well. how's life on your end? < 1385042412 560300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good < 1385042600 318777 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-61.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385042640 64293 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KSFO < 1385042640 481899 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 211356Z 25003KT 10SM SCT013 BKN023 OVC042 10/09 A2994 RMK AO2 SLP137 T01000089 < 1385042650 941374 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-61.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385042764 154946 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm guessing you're currently eating breakfast? < 1385042814 335941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1385042819 12411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 23:06 here < 1385042875 739886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooookay... either my file is wrong, or the Earth has a very, very weird curvature today. < 1385042919 357594 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not in Frisco anymore? < 1385042966 210235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm vacationing in japan < 1385042979 785054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twitches at "Frisco"
< 1385043074 203751 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :オォ！すごい！どこにいっていますか？ < 1385043160 868943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read any of that -_- < 1385043168 845961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but google informs me you asked where i'm going in japan < 1385043225 864314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :osaka, nara, kyoto, hiroshima, tokyo in that order < 1385043230 588226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in hiroshima right now, heading to tokyo tomorrow night < 1385043236 233680 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385043257 163083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is after a work week + a few days of touristing in Seoul < 1385043289 674974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that work paid for my flights across the Pacific which is すごい indeed < 1385043387 215269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw Hangul is the coolest writing system ever < 1385043435 92826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear my main motivation to learn languages spoken in Asia is to understand what's written on restaurant menus... >_>'... < 1385043541 181260 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1385043558 385112 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385043867 858186 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385043878 72079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems fine to me < 1385044041 45225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can learn to read hangul in a few hours < 1385044066 517618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as one of the developers of the alphabet put it, "a wise man can acquaint himself with them before the morning is over; a stupid man can learn them in the space of ten days" < 1385044276 871245 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other end of the spectrum, culinary cantonese is unbelievably hard, not for the characters themselves, but the poetic metaphors and shortcuts. < 1385045175 302037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :example? < 1385045617 476076 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take pictures tonight of a potential source of incomprehensibility. < 1385045647 72837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1385045655 619209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about szechuan cooking, by the way? < 1385045672 93971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite like szechuan food and we cook it at home sometimes < 1385045738 643115 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried my hand at it a few times, but I have to hone my techniques. < 1385045740 375685 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385046240 480380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: some day, I'll succumb to the temptation, and buy a portable electric stove with a fondue pot, and make myself real sichuanese fiery fondue of deathly agonizing doom. < 1385046424 65474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1385047463 516027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: find a recipe with raccoon meat. there are more than enough overweight raccoons on Mont Royal. < 1385047503 580780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1385048683 351082 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385048913 849491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385048989 60074 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1385049024 376040 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385049124 846166 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385049432 844740 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1385050792 779589 :Sorella_!~quildreen@187.20.218.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385050847 321510 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Sorella_ < 1385050850 415082 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Sorella_: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1385050907 203757 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck gnathostome < 1385050907 671947 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnathostomata are the jawed vertebrates. < 1385050970 200597 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well-spaced < 1385051101 431734 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a well-known anatidæ feature. < 1385051103 388378 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385051706 332505 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385052019 105677 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have decided to keep the old derplang syntax, since more people have told me they like it over the new < 1385052406 114113 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello esoterics < 1385052418 279088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereahello. < 1385052989 564351 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: how is your trek into assembly going? < 1385053413 888487 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say he...JMPd right in... < 1385053481 816085 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385053845 357638 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385054217 374866 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385054385 81952 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: not far < 1385054391 75783 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to bed and went to class < 1385054401 715660 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll investigate this week end < 1385055011 887107 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385055282 312272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385055301 475325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1385055346 75566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isn't the command called ~anatidae < 1385055530 640896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan the unexpanded versions work for complex numbers too, as that's exactly how i implemented it and got right answers. and the inverse trig functions branch the same way as log (e.g. the principal branch of each agrees) < 1385055530 838920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385055805 455709 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do most computer things use reals instead of rationals < 1385055825 820558 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rationals are easy to code, easy to operate with, and floating points are just really rationals in the end < 1385055901 862636 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although < 1385055925 294283 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the possibility of wasted space I guess < 1385055939 159244 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 1/2 = 1*10^30 / 2*10^30 < 1385055957 114132 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could be overflowing needlessly < 1385055983 863503 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some languages work with rationals by default. < 1385055993 611411 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones? < 1385056004 220817 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think Haskell does < 1385056016 275643 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably many functional languages < 1385056037 948043 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still the floating point type to store irrational numbers. < 1385056047 113802 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP would be great for it, since a rational is just a list of two integers < 1385056058 279939 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think most general purpose languages have some way of dealing with rationals < 1385056080 401740 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't store irrational numbers in a floating point < 1385056083 320379 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even in anything < 1385056090 257087 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most irrationals aren't computable < 1385056112 446286 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you can store a better approximation (read: smaller in size) in floating point < 1385056138 446547 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess! < 1385056167 661201 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would be the most efficient way of encoding some real number approximatively < 1385056319 293397 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia. because I lack imagination. < 1385056539 702742 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: const real x = 0; < 1385056575 845321 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty big approximation < 1385056583 218653 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not that efficient < 1385056596 664341 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encode it on one bit, at least do "0 or not 0" < 1385056609 242500 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an approximation expert, with a specialisation in coördinates. < 1385056787 470801 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385056812 34426 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could encode algebraic numbers as a vector of their polynoms < 1385056818 574070 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what precision that would allow < 1385057061 909151 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1385057168 16464 :conehead!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwblbwlnmeyuigyq JOIN :#esoteric < 1385057468 26964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and body weigh! < 1385057549 855875 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385057556 933981 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. < 1385057583 678150 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: as a certified appröximator, what are your coördinates and body weigh? < 1385057584 221720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do today < 1385057606 49040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: today thursdays. < 1385057621 279488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only got 5 hours of sleep. < 1385057633 856967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't sleep any more even though i was so sleepy < 1385058369 372102 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385058432 929678 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION removes fizzie's eggtimer and glues it onto quintopia
< 1385058441 460651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1385058455 876955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to stand on my head to reset it < 1385058580 24062 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you start seeing Ephemeral Shadow-Bats because of sleep deprivation. < 1385058785 401226 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385060257 703008 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aEwpeEe_460sa.gif < 1385060353 702671 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really that big of a deal? (the G+ / YouTube linking) < 1385060373 803614 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ruins the sanctity of youtube comments. < 1385060378 352017 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually noticed, since I've had a G+ account for ages.. < 1385060447 811044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's caused YouTube comments to stop working for me altogether < 1385060451 634100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is arguably a good thing, but… < 1385060537 436790 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's another reason I haven't noticed... < 1385060562 240774 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if youtube comments can't be youtube comments, that'll cause an overflow and drown the rest of the intarwebs under a neverending flood! < 1385061298 772690 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what did we do before youtube existed? < 1385061365 456020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :upload videos in actual video formats < 1385061373 636939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to actual directories of web servers < 1385061393 212348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :things were so much simpler then < 1385061410 103547 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember quicktime < 1385061421 824785 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but where did the comments overflow to? < 1385061461 452763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were no comments then! < 1385061476 805964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people watched videos in silence in the comfort of their own hard drive < 1385061489 567782 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the Previous Era, people overflowed in newspapers. < 1385061492 243731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they had a comment they wrote it in a text file and saved it for themselves to look at later < 1385061537 175464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: now, at the end of the movie, they always overflow on her face < 1385061575 107419 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, in horror movies, a Supernatural Floating Disflagrated Face. < 1385061593 541264 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, the original strongly agree-agree-neutral-disagree-strongly disagree scale was kinda fucked up https://twitter.com/mc_hankins/status/403270681846378496/photo/1/large < 1385061785 660484 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnnnrelated but you could vote in this poll, it's got ada lovelace and grace hopper. http://www.bobbleheads.com/bobblehead-scientist-poll.html < 1385061860 693900 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385062153 94788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385062713 853621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1385062714 50980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 6h 25m 35s ago: what with the drive-by topicking? < 1385062714 51702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 1h 59m 43s ago: the unexpanded versions work for complex numbers too, as that's exactly how i implemented it and got right answers. and the inverse trig functions branch the same way < 1385062714 51812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :as log (e.g. the principal branch of each agrees) < 1385062738 631331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: magnus won another game hth < 1385062831 362103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i fail to see how cos(x) = Re(e^(i*x)) can work for complex numbers given that the correct answer isn't always real. < 1385062892 341138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos (0 :+ 1) < 1385062894 858444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5430806348152437 :+ (-0.0) < 1385062908 862705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not a good example. < 1385062911 651291 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos (1 :+ 1) < 1385062912 740514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8337300251311491 :+ (-0.9888977057628651) < 1385062915 582839 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385062918 127852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1385062954 780268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps i should reimplement and expand my test cases :P < 1385062973 878995 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval sin 1 == (exp (0 :+ 1) - exp (0 :+ -1)) / (0 :+ 2) < 1385062974 560360 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Precedence parsing error < 1385062974 718630 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `Data.Complex.:+' [infix 6] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the same infix expression < 1385062983 188398 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval sin 1 == (exp (0 :+ 1) - exp (0 :+ (-1))) / (0 :+ 2) < 1385062984 210867 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1385062984 680110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll expand the others too < 1385063007 299490 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation of cos(x) in what? < 1385063028 976490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in http://esolangs.org/wiki/SELECT. < 1385063053 424275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how many clients will erroneously leave out the dot.
< 1385063072 196710 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine does < 1385063077 467486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, among those who make it a link in the first place. < 1385063081 725913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let i = 0 :+ 1; cos' x = (exp (i*x) + exp(-i*x))/2 in (cos (1 :+ 1), cos' (1 :+ 1)) < 1385063083 647007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0.8337300251311491 :+ (-0.9888977057628651),0.833730025131149 :+ (-0.98889... < 1385063103 96893 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the dot was part of it < 1385063119 711015 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks oerjan < 1385063121 118603 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, oerjan. Thoerjan. < 1385063128 948694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yw FireFly < 1385063130 193067 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yw: not found < 1385063152 479305 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i set up a redirect hth < 1385063152 637420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait a second. what's the difference between (x+x*)/2 and (e^ix+e^-ix)/2 again? < 1385063161 940732 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome, Firefly. You're wireFly < 1385063170 952644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there is no conjugation in the latter. < 1385063172 883780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could try http://esolangs.org/wiki/SELECT%2E. ;-) < 1385063192 907524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just two numbers that _happen_ to be conjugate if x is real. < 1385063242 662344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1385063260 13083 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not clear to me what happens when they are complex < 1385063301 265836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos and sin are entire analytic functions in the complex plane, the expressions in e give the same result as the usual power series everywhere. < 1385063372 624000 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess e^(i(a+bi)) = e^(ia) * e^(-b)? < 1385063387 332183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: yeah < 1385063492 813004 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(ia) e^(ia) e^(complex fhtaghn) < 1385063500 978703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw (e^(i*x))* = e^(-i*x*) < 1385063535 814092 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :postfix * is confusing as fuck < 1385063544 332239 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo conj() < 1385063548 892152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385063717 440033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The complex conjurer. < 1385063801 883616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well e^(ix) and e^(-ix) are essentially the exponential with arguments rotated 90 degrees, which switches which of real and imaginary direction is growing and which is periodic. and then you take linear combinations of that, to make similar functions that are real on reals. < 1385063826 613505 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, stop being fungot. twh. < 1385063826 848013 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: generally alternative rock or ska. uh, i have trouble assimilating a url that refers to it.... < 1385063862 734900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cos and sin in imaginary direction are approximately growing exponentially. < 1385063866 669087 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is there some easy way to get cos and sin out of exp for complex values? < 1385063892 649162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um yes that's what started this. < 1385063907 164517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos(x) = (e^(i*x)+e^(-i*x))/2 < 1385063907 322257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(x) = (e^(i*x)-e^(-i*x))/(2*i) < 1385063923 336614 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. silly me. < 1385063954 35629 :Sorella_!~quildreen@187.20.218.214 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1385063962 946835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how am i fungot when the sword alone cannot stop! < 1385063963 209289 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds like fnord talk. then again as has been demonstrated... i've been wondering about encoding things like stress and vowel lengths...) < 1385064012 639548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you mean you're working on an audio version of yourself? i think fizzie would appreciate that. < 1385064012 828775 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aww. hold it gently.) but it has slower screen updates as they happen when you were fnord < 1385064042 3608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: audio versions don't need screen silly < 1385064042 225689 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm unclear as to how to extract information from gnomon, should he ever join the fnord < 1385064087 829534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly "appreciate" an incessantly babbling audio-fungot in my home, sure. < 1385064088 48237 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they're cheating a bit with the old version < 1385064153 26028 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: imagine, a fungot plushie with an embedded speaker. the world would be a much better place! < 1385064153 202301 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord francais? ( assuming that code is valid: < 1385064159 278061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i am not sure extracting that information is good for sanity. < 1385064159 493573 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've been looking in the wrong timezones ( as opposed to what you explained above < 1385064167 817176 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oui, une version francophone serait appréciée. < 1385064168 12079 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: someone could tell fizzie to stop reading before an overflow would fnord, and t f) < 1385064232 208833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stop reading before an overflow would fnord hth < 1385064364 265473 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have a large enough French corpus available for fungotification? < 1385064364 643822 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: only if your kidneys are borked, xerox. xerox, fnord copier, xerox machine ( duplicator that copies graphic matter by the action of a failure continuation < 1385064374 706192 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385064417 379253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: your insightfulness dazzles me < 1385064417 574718 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord!.... u shouldnt help ppl fnord suicide u fnord!. < 1385064462 45996 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385064484 699807 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385064510 371177 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385064774 373693 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385064788 306722 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight, fungot < 1385064788 464453 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do you think human reasoning is like. < 1385064830 376007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, yes, it's very much like. < 1385064830 593656 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you have a lot of votes in 1996 due to pure cash flow... nobody even seemed to care about support for syntax extensions in 5.1, but hey, i do < 1385064846 987569 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, i think facebook has made that much clear < 1385064847 179951 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: it's pretty much fnord i'm not an expert audio fnord, that's what it means in her area. and all.) < 1385064854 398525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mrhmouse Well, I think Haskell does <-- nope, the defaults are bignum Integer and floating point Double. although Rational is there too, but doesn't support all the same functions as either of those. < 1385064854 556722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385064876 998435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin pi :: Rational < 1385064878 68483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Real.Rational) < 1385064878 226559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1385064891 510093 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I'm here < 1385064895 602952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational $ sin pi < 1385064896 752504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4967757600021511 % 40564819207303340847894502572032 < 1385064922 334762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: i don't trust people who have been idle for an hour. < 1385064991 846342 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which language am I thinking of that defaults to rationals? I'm certain it was at least similar to Haskell in syntax < 1385064993 62771 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just @massage-loud it < 1385065010 480337 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massage < 1385065010 638284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1385065027 384038 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385065061 506861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let default (Integer, Rational, Double) -- whistles innocently < 1385065062 500329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1385065068 32901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/2 < 1385065069 119047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1385065072 315381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1385065080 385279 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty. < 1385065101 972719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait defaults don't get imported, and @lets go into the L.hs module. < 1385065136 508420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (test, _) = (1/2, undefined) < 1385065137 803331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1385065141 42037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> test < 1385065143 50714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1385065145 907269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385065153 349184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t test < 1385065154 175827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rational < 1385065157 177926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385065177 233392 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1/2 < 1385065178 99139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => a < 1385065180 421916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is probably messing somewhere. < 1385065214 333025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: also, i dunno. < 1385065239 144807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf test < 1385065240 626389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Double < 1385065252 330997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t test < 1385065253 182356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rational < 1385065256 536633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1385065261 528818 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1385065303 188730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> denominator test < 1385065304 743073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1385065314 162145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin test < 1385065315 748777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.479425538604203 < 1385065320 687655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. < 1385065394 65676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose with > the actual use of test flows back to the inference. < 1385065408 288812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow. < 1385065421 984631 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAURGH WHY WON'T YOU GIVE ME A STACK TRACE YOU FSCKING STUPID FRAMEWORK I ALREADY KNOW IT'S A 500 ERROR I WANT DETAAAAAIIILLLLSSS!!!!! < 1385065432 357666 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry. ranting against django.) < 1385065443 693890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lambdabot probably has monomorphism restriction turned off, hm < 1385065471 89740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was hoping the tuple would get around that. < 1385065477 429715 :cherez!~cherez@70.94.35.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385065497 796710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (x, y) = 1 `divMod` 2 in (x :: Int, y :: Integer) < 1385065498 953079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,1) < 1385065503 427126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1385065586 571601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (typeOf test, test) < 1385065588 112274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Double,0.5) < 1385065617 291120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (typeOf test, denominator test) < 1385065618 677876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Double,2) < 1385065627 47400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UM < 1385065635 515099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385065640 840647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it is polymorphic then ... of course. < 1385065649 886800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm confused as to why < 1385065678 114612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's polymorphic given the monomorphism restriction is turned off. < 1385065709 208383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means it gets exported polymorphic, and the default declaration in L.hs gets no chance to fire. < 1385065739 365698 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat110.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385065765 469640 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh this is going to drive me mad. I could swear I was reading a language tutorial ages ago that showed "1 / 3" at the prompt and "1 / 3" as the response... < 1385065765 849606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead the usual defaulting (same as ghci?) happens for lambdabot expressions. < 1385065818 239971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1385065831 785601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: why are you looking for this? < 1385065831 943427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let showTest = show test < 1385065832 844954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1385065836 432151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showTest < 1385065837 881837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 % 2" < 1385065838 676980 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385065877 793968 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome cherez < 1385065880 276887 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02cherez: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1385065880 807724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go. since show test has type String, the defaulting of test has to happen even with the monomorphism restriction, since the type cannot escape. < 1385065892 712464 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385065905 5928 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Slereah was talking about rationals, and I thought I remembered that Haskell defaulted to Rational. But it isn't Haskell.. but I remember _some_ language did that... < 1385065908 338277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and showTest is inside L.hs so uses its defaulting declaration. < 1385065960 904207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was similar in syntax? would SML do that? < 1385066007 372982 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385066107 860135 :cherez!~cherez@70.94.35.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, thank you! < 1385066160 752426 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385066166 277905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385066278 204983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (evil, attempt) = (show attempt, mempty) < 1385066279 49881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:156:20: < 1385066279 209113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show a0) arising from a use of `show' < 1385066279 209283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1385066282 636147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome evalj < 1385066285 30166 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13evalj: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1385066286 862742 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome b_jonas < 1385066289 380691 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13b_jonas: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1385066296 445245 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385066296 652143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, that's colorful < 1385066298 949583 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cherez: what brings you to this channel? < 1385066301 278841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocevilly
< 1385066302 68463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I get that without colors? < 1385066313 925948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I like that word < 1385066317 445120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST COLORS < 1385066318 712710 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome b_jonas < 1385066318 870742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome b_jonas < 1385066319 168280 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you may, but it's untraditional. < 1385066320 505360 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1385066320 669511 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1385066322 129705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1385066326 841121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1385066336 66809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, huh, didn't expect to see b_jonas over here < 1385066336 393757 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're sufficiently `welcome'd now < 1385066355 9340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think i was trigger happy in blocking PcCleaner < 1385066359 93124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I don't generally expect to see anyone happy over here < 1385066371 488444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was scouring the relevant logs to try to find something to block them for :) < 1385066373 636885 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I AM HAPPY, FUNGOT IT! < 1385066374 819479 :cherez!~cherez@70.94.35.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Nothing in particular. Old friends with pikhq and thought it might be fun to lurk here a bit. < 1385066382 981483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd have allowed account creation < 1385066426 341900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're blocking someone on the basis of username, you should give them a chance to change it < 1385066432 957873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i mean it seems to be named after what seems to be a scam company at best. < 1385066435 595546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385066444 235304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name's free on Freenode, btw? anyone want it? < 1385066453 80017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385066458 476946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, s/\?/;/ < 1385066648 283226 :JoeyEsper!~Math@177.144.93.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385066670 179667 :JoeyEsper!~Math@177.144.93.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1385066670 874999 :JoeyEsper!~Math@177.144.93.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1385066696 880887 :JoeyEsper!~Math@177.144.93.119 PART :#esoteric < 1385066709 29692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but... I was typing a nice `relcome... < 1385066774 246824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those weird things about IRC, people who say hello, then get annoyed at the lack of response and leave before you have a chance to type a response < 1385066815 888775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385066981 703788 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385067419 212256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, mueval turns off the monomorphism restriction without being asked to. < 1385067420 372819 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385067552 760945 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385067721 488999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess on this channel an evaluator bot should use the craziest extensions by default, such as not only no monomorphism restrictions, but also circular types, undecidable instances, etc < 1385067736 190020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely circular types < 1385067750 859433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah but the primary channel it's for is #haskell < 1385067753 511620 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points to metasepia “Go nuts with it! But be careful with the error messages”
< 1385067762 661762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but use channel-dependent options < 1385067767 356232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval iterate show < 1385067771 981974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval fix show < 1385067775 637622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1385067777 456668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help eval < 1385067777 614540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval. Do nothing (perversely) < 1385067789 217320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help run < 1385067789 375304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :run . You have Haskell, 3 seconds and no IO. Go nuts! < 1385067798 358228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "or use this" < 1385067799 701965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "or use this" < 1385067799 898562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run fix show < 1385067800 827878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1385067819 212756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run fix print < 1385067820 365706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1385067827 589247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fix print < 1385067828 107931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval fix show < 1385067828 530761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO () < 1385067828 778882 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ < 1385067871 333160 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385067904 342808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run print print < 1385067905 497875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1385067921 86858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run let { x = print; } in x < 1385067922 190702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : <() -> IO ()> < 1385067940 308264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error < 1385067941 488440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *E... < 1385068016 892672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] ,29$'*Exception: ' < 1385068017 226076 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: *Exception: *Exception: *Exce < 1385068028 229699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] ,29$,:'*Exception: ' < 1385068028 551694 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: < 1385068213 57189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let evil = mempty < 1385068214 76374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:156:8: < 1385068214 234789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Monoid a0) arising from a use of `mempty'... < 1385068246 485170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. @let seems to use the monomorphism restriction. < 1385068279 585129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when checking if the addition is sane. < 1385068332 632321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run let { x = show; } in x () ++ x [] < 1385068333 858898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "()[]" < 1385068449 668899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it uses some ghc invocation for type-checking L.hs, but mueval for the final evaluation. (it seems that mueval *also* does not explicitly turn off the monomorphism restriction ... next stop will be hint ...) < 1385068483 124302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i don't recall haskell having any extension for circular types. < 1385068617 94015 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval mempty < 1385068618 117937 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): No instance for (Data.Monoid.Monoid a0) arising from a use of `e_1' < 1385068618 276243 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1385068618 276418 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1385068618 276554 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: there are several potential instances: < 1385068618 276675 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Data.Monoid.Monoid () -- Defined in `base:Data.Monoid' < 1385068618 712419 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (Data.Monoid.Monoid a, Data.Monoid.Monoid b) => < 1385068618 869898 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Monoid.Monoid (a, b) < 1385068619 680176 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined in `base:Data.Monoid' < 1385068619 837890 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (Data.Monoid.Monoid a, Data.Monoid.Monoid b, < 1385068620 729193 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Monoid.Monoid c) => < 1385068620 887026 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Monoid.Monoid (a, b, c) < 1385068621 716908 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined in `base:Data.Monoid' < 1385068621 874925 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...plus 18 othersNo instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1385068622 664305 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M175202735352782162727845.show_M175202735352782162727845' < 1385068627 346099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385068635 62741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :type families can be abused for that to some extent ... with horrible, horrible type errors when things go wrong. < 1385068652 848341 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepiaaaaaa < 1385068672 790634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :la la la la la ♪ < 1385068749 493825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think you mean SPAM SPAM WONDERFUL SPAM < 1385068845 543990 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan for the holidays: eat food. eat food. revamp metasepia. eat food. eat food. enjoy saner error messages! < 1385069120 626280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan,boily: you might like http://int-e.eu/~bf3/haddock/typeeval-0.0/ < 1385069196 754089 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I might not understand it. < 1385069247 621762 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :any Haskell programmer will tell you that Node 42 [False, True] and Node 42 [Node 23 [], Leaf 0] should not type-check at the same time. < 1385069254 889381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like typeevil < 1385069268 208969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: really? let me check the ghc manual. I really thought there was one, only nobody uses it because it masks too much errors. < 1385069283 530490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I agree. I wrote that ... code, and I never used it after encountering type errors reminiscent of C++.) < 1385069290 839261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because if you really want a circular type you can get one by that higher order type trick < 1385069396 229021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did I just imagine that there was such an option in ghc? < 1385069429 413819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: generally you use newtypes and they're optimized away. < 1385069441 581121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ocaml has one, i used it once. < 1385069467 112866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to implement unlambda) < 1385069539 671947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let { x = [x]; } in x < 1385069540 579518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t0 = [t0] < 1385069540 737533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: x < 1385069540 737707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: [x] < 1385069590 311722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tempted to run that in ~eval, but he spammed once today so he'll be wise and not do it.
< 1385069618 880690 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my Haskell-fu is diminishing. too much Python for the past few months. < 1385069689 472877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, it looks like ghc doesn't have such an extension < 1385069714 622580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why? I mean, it seems like something those people who develop some of the other crazy type system extensions would want to try < 1385069729 6347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it not be made to a consistent type system extension?\ < 1385069773 125875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, an extension such that if an occurs check finds a cycle in type constraints, it just creates a cyclic type instead of an error < 1385069790 37045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't play well with higher order types or something? < 1385069790 639105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no big pressure (newtype Mu f = Mu (f (Mu f)) gets the desired effect with some extra source code) < 1385069809 423768 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but you have seen some of the other type system extensions people have added < 1385069817 93942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have thought they'd try this too < 1385069831 876270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: imo call that type Fix < 1385069832 35367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1385069847 334308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Fix f = Fix { runFix :: f (Fix f) } < 1385069857 582838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = Mu { runMu :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r } < 1385069862 185198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been done before -> less research interest. < 1385069865 426717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nu f = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1385069879 250902 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :opaque greek is the future, shachaf < 1385069881 456032 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the past < 1385069911 234447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what, that's not enough opacity for you?? < 1385069915 950916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix f = f (fix f) < 1385069916 491575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from a practical perspective, I think having let x = [x] *not* typecheck is a great boon for sanity. < 1385069919 262673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix f = f (Fix f) < 1385069936 915398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're talking about equirecursive types. < 1385069944 95713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are various good reasons not to have them. < 1385069947 472830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to assume someone tried but it turned out if you combine it with some other language features you lose the guarantee of the compilation terminating or you can prove Void or something crazy like that so they didn't add them < 1385069955 158959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know why we don't have them by default: < 1385069961 569050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd mask too many errors < 1385069968 531032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :user errors that is < 1385069972 815963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml supports them, I think. < 1385069991 498798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was wondering why we don't have it as a language extension < 1385069995 247882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385070013 840277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, as far as I know, ocaml frowns on data Tree a = Level a | Nest (Tree (a,a)) < 1385070045 107906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's non-regular types or whatever that's called, right? < 1385070050 429557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has some fancy name < 1385070075 679080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-regular" makes sense, but I don't know. < 1385070094 167844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that feature had two names, and non-regular may or may not have been one of them < 1385070185 471114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorphic recursion is used for the functions operating on such things, at least. < 1385070438 348274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly, polymorphic recursion is the issue. You might even be able to define the type itself? < 1385070458 969939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what? define what type where? < 1385070469 483429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e's non-regular type. < 1385070484 428859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too useful without functions to operate on it. < 1385070522 965834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Conal's talk at http://conal.net/talks/understanding-parallel-scan.pdf < 1385070524 949795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you mean in ocaml? < 1385070532 156658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf means in ocaml, which doesn't have polymorphic recursion. < 1385070553 576772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so even if you could define the type, you couldn't use it for anything. < 1385070570 858608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385070611 467205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you could only use it non-parametrically, limited to the first compile-time-finite many depths < 1385070623 698396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't buy you anything over just separate type < 1385070626 706541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate types < 1385070645 335160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a class for them < 1385070652 346765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly to what would happen in C++ < 1385070672 935450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could define a type that looks like this, but you can only ever instantiate finitely many in a program < 1385070683 490389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try unlimited recursion, the compiler will give up < 1385070823 199395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm curious, can ocaml do the higher order type quantification trick haskell's ST does? < 1385071014 602427 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Gàààààààààrgh < 1385071017 96050 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385071097 268509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought at one point whether C++ can do it, and decided it can't, because even though it can do higher order quantification, sort of, it can't prove things about it, so can't enforce the kind of restriction ST depends on < 1385071643 273633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term is "higher rank" btw. dunno about ocaml, but doubt it unless they've added it after my time. < 1385071715 782706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when was your time < 1385071745 517305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385071899 358196 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :today in confusing terminology: insect flight involves 'synchronous' and 'asynchronous' muscle, which are alllllmost analogous to programming < 1385071975 214342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 'bout 2002 or so. < 1385071980 357143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1385071993 680195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan 1975-2002 < 1385072006 801690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is 1975 right) < 1385072023 992670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1970 < 1385072027 268122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385072029 752616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1385072043 610541 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like outliving the soviet union < 1385072063 931241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan 1917-2002 < 1385072075 908498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1385072081 273565 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even outlive Yugoslavia < 1385072337 144294 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... Notepad++ handles a 2.6 million line 170 MB text file without any problems. Windows Notepad and Programmers Notepad both stopped responding. < 1385072511 274940 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows notepad can't really handle anything bigger than like 10k lines in my experience < 1385072565 364858 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, curry's original paper defines \lambda^n ...vars... for an n-ary function, weird < 1385072711 28721 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385072726 313764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume they hadn't invented schönfinkeling yet < 1385072761 132015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they" = schönfinkel? or did someone else invent schönfinkeling? < 1385072783 172376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we assume not. < 1385072789 931385 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schonfinkeling < 1385072803 875313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed that in the google hits. < 1385072826 641192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach, du finkelst so schön < 1385072894 670146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i can downvote it without registering < 1385072920 874641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared by sql triggers. they let you write almost arbitrary programs in sql, but only in a very ugly way < 1385072924 105205 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally, K converts a constant into a function with a constant value, or a function into one with an additional, fictitious variable." < 1385072979 291535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so you are not trigger happy. < 1385073021 122618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look like something that's very easy to abuse < 1385073034 217232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with some simple triggers and you end up in an unmaintenable mess < 1385073075 919888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I've forgotten what schönfinkeling is < 1385073080 384621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sqlite3, you can have views with instead of insert triggers that basically simulate an arbitrary function < 1385073091 71656 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards currying, i think? < 1385073106 989579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite arbitrary, but very close < 1385073118 437840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so like this basically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKajmVgaOEM < 1385073139 121257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385073151 585679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's just currying, except with the correct inventor name. < 1385073164 929771 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. sensible. < 1385073175 802549 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what it's worth curry mentioned schofinkel a lot. < 1385073176 436993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the sqlite3 language can be scary even without triggers: < 1385073186 453169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no let statement, so if you need one you have to write a nested select < 1385073198 626043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you don't have to < 1385073201 993283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was originated by Moses Schönfinkel and later worked out by Haskell Curry." says wp < 1385073203 661795 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :credits him with BCWK and SKI < 1385073219 995222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal solution is to do the variable copying from outside sql language, which sqlite3 totally allows to do easily < 1385073242 418272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can copy results of a statement to the bindings of another statement without examining them < 1385073253 561229 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with proving SK is complete or whatever you call it. < 1385073282 98115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: really? I thought Church proved that < 1385073303 769666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of assumed < 1385073373 745556 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Schönfinkel discovered that all combinators can be defined in terms of two special ones, S and K," < 1385073407 235088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did Church prove then? < 1385073413 405888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ok, it's hint's fault. When initialising, it queries the enabled extensions from ghc. Then it's translating MonomorphismRestriction to NoMonomorphismRestriction internally, but without inverting the current state of the extension. < 1385073530 361872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for S and K, I recently bought Smullyan's mockingbird book because they just translated it < 1385073536 887604 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that it's inconsistent, how to restrict it so that it's consistent, how to avoid variables entirely, bla bla bla < 1385073556 420539 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385073564 622686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but isn't avoiding variables the whole point of S K ? < 1385073571 766259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did he find some other basis instead? < 1385073592 261742 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to define things without reference to a lambda calculus meta formalism, i mean, i think < 1385073656 797841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean construct them as functions or something like that? < 1385073753 642221 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :construct a formalism of combinators with no reference to functions < 1385073763 84656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: MADNESS < 1385073781 948759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? but it's exactly the lambda symbols that doesn't reference functions < 1385073786 28801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only syntax transform rules < 1385073811 599541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the S K or other combinator basis can also do that < 1385073826 395329 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'the combinatory basis of logic' or something if you want to read it yourself < 1385073902 613637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385073927 331413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's even a bug report about it: http://darcsden.com/jcpetruzza/hint/issue/1 (different extension but same idea: hint only has NoImplicityPrelude) < 1385074123 2308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is darcsden kind of ugly. < 1385074142 508764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about you but darcsden *is* ugly. < 1385074453 841489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> test < 1385074455 259576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 % 2 < 1385074497 177400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now that that's fixed I better add a sane default directive there ... < 1385074520 568721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what's wrong with the default one. < 1385074521 768307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more about sqlite3, table constraints can be arbitrary expressions, and those expressions can call user-defined functions, and I think those functions can modify the database < 1385074542 835083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now they added partial indices, but the conditions for partial indices can't call user-defined functions < 1385074545 722414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nothing. I'm adding default (Integer,Double) so your @let will hopefully stop working :) < 1385074555 7123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inconsistency seems a bit strange < 1385074566 433034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> test < 1385074568 297240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1385074570 525760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might be misunderstanding something here < 1385074573 554080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ((),Integer,Double) is what ghci uses. < 1385074587 666771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let default (Integer, Rational, Double) < 1385074588 330806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:170:1: < 1385074588 488786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple default declarations < 1385074588 488943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : here was another defa... < 1385074609 605242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "()" < 1385074610 777707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1385074641 641051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that default only applies within the L module, iiuc < 1385074666 76075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> test < 1385074667 565633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1385074676 890064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I added () there, too. thanks for the hint :) < 1385074701 940485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously those constraints can not only modify the database but also have random return value, so the same contraints are sometimes true and sometimes false < 1385074731 761640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be wierd for both constraints and partial indices < 1385074882 115288 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385074901 587616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (t,1) = (show,1) in t 1 ++ t () < 1385074902 880073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num ()) arising from the literal `1' < 1385074903 37761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix... < 1385074956 351550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MonoPatBinds was another one that went the wrong way ... hmm ... but I didn't test it right.) < 1385075206 182006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let t = show in t 1 ++ t () < 1385075207 255697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num ()) arising from the literal `1' < 1385075207 413261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix... < 1385075233 50746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let t x = show x in t 1 ++ t () < 1385075234 161887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1()" < 1385075258 714501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now start waiting for the barrage of complaints hth < 1385075312 11822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. did that really change? *goes to test* < 1385075559 156440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Hmm. < 1385075707 307665 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 NICK :nooodl < 1385075717 99512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, NoMonomorphismRestriction implies NoMonoLocalBinds, obviously. < 1385075758 332280 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385076104 811536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. I'm being stupid. < 1385076110 412908 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF93294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385076265 371593 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385076325 758570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d QUIT :Quit: wee! restarting! < 1385076411 16718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit annoying to have to restart lambdabot just because of an extra flag. oh well :) < 1385076501 103054 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385076560 50692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385076567 158638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d JOIN :#esoteric < 1385076569 826196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let t = show in t 1 ++ t () < 1385076575 144461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1()" < 1385076597 450973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks :) < 1385076633 903688 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385076646 688145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we still complex numbers < 1385076647 890011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1385076671 179003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also meanwhile: http://blog.wolfram.com/2013/11/21/putting-the-wolfram-language-and-mathematica-on-every-raspberry-pi/ < 1385076683 203732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us all point & laugh; cry < 1385076708 498899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha, darcshub is buggy, too: http://darcsden.com/jcpetruzza/hint/patches < 1385077027 165056 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385077063 673048 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385077317 669577 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385078742 749372 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-102-222.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385078829 357995 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385078899 949402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385079172 305858 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-102-222.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385079197 372763 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-102-222.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385079285 712196 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-102-222.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385079285 958162 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-191-102-222.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385079329 357207 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385079528 607188 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385079574 169277 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-191-102-222.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385079584 217701 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385079995 57561 :S1!~S1_chatzi@p4FF93294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1385080270 158183 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385080723 187050 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in another channel fed KJV and SICP to a markov bot < 1385080733 511151 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And Jonathan caused David to be different, such as new-withdraw, we will always be considered `unreal' in five years. See BITTY BOX and TOY. GIGO (gie'goh) [acronym] garbage in, garbage out. Usually said of problems spawns new languages." < 1385081111 183343 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120de.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385081584 343667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wonderful < 1385081626 438408 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever look at a biography and realize they died young and feel bad < 1385081968 245684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385082077 283082 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1385082077 435115 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1385082084 707214 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style iwcs < 1385082084 897222 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts) < 1385082091 259367 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what are you doing < 1385082091 501121 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you are not evil, terrible things are happening. this time you will not. hmm, no. j. k. rowling, who had given the thrashing we saw a webcomic with a missing. < 1385082107 786447 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I'm not evil? I think my userpage says otherwise < 1385082107 938941 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but, but... that's not a fish. it's a lump of rock! we didn't give any thought the guys at nasa has fast-tracked a prototype deep has held out well on the bright side, the snakes, and 9... < 1385082174 872023 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1385082175 24039 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1385082178 655876 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, symbols, whose values are looked up in the court of the LORD's glory. < 1385082179 50195 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: " they're just fnord,' the girl went on. ' it'd take all day.' < 1385082443 94827 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when you establish the CS books/holy text style, i can hook you up with a /lot/ of the latter < 1385083066 208823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385083218 439265 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the opportunity to give a CS-related talk at some point in the near-ish future < 1385083290 666731 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat tempted but at a loss for the topic < 1385083332 931596 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fast-growing hierarchy: applications to haskell-based microcontrollers < 1385083444 852755 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking either category theory or something about esolangs < 1385083453 546593 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385083461 944727 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's pretty much no restrictions and it's not very formal or anything) < 1385083551 666811 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Esolangs: programming language design as art?" < 1385083577 352972 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds way worse than mine imo < 1385083592 782490 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but I don't think I'm sufficiently cool to do yours < 1385083634 95315 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure y'are < 1385083761 326445 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385085111 341593 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385085125 43008 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin assembly < 1385085127 317492 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hurting my head < 1385085132 87097 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because i don't know anything about it :P < 1385085160 677453 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have "mov rax, cs:qword_someshit" and then "call qword ptr [rax+140h]" < 1385085161 285557 :cherez!~cherez@70.94.35.237 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385085183 648215 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it doing? calling the code pointed to by memory address rax + 140h i assume < 1385085193 871619 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cs:qword_etc is 0 < 1385085203 628835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's calling the pointer at [rax+140h] < 1385085220 123007 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it loads the 8 bytes at [rax+140h] into temporary space, and then calls /that/, I think. < 1385085223 118189 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rax is 0 and it's just adding 0 for no good reason? < 1385085240 878158 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you like, looking at compiled object code? < 1385085251 659195 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :disassembled bios code < 1385085256 771801 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fuckin laptop... < 1385085261 190876 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to put a wireless ac card in it < 1385085268 603770 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its like NO I HAVE A WHITELIST U CANT USE WIRELESS CARDS LOLOL < 1385085277 87861 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm to the part where i hack it to avoid that check :P < 1385085286 46058 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't find where to do it < 1385085286 936297 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385085305 232721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "mov rax, cs:qword_...." might be a thing to load like, the base of the code segment or something, for PIC-ish addressing? < 1385085334 927252 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that means, but i'm about to check out qword_180001ac8 + 140 and see if anything is there :P < 1385085373 304753 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that's past the end of the code lol < 1385085380 904323 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1385085389 481067 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program that extracted this module was fucked up anyway < 1385085396 844921 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had like 27 bytes of garbage before the MZ < 1385085403 451830 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an equal amount got cut off the end? < 1385085477 758255 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385085614 330321 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, nope, didn't think so < 1385085631 788829 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like a bunch of 0 bytes and various places of the code load them in < 1385085646 589391 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's just how it is... but if so i have no idea where it's calling :| < 1385086077 583116 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :appears to maybe be an external call < 1385086084 467484 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some other part of the bios < 1385086099 732261 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385086110 842205 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something would load the correct addresses there, they wouldn't be 0 at runtime obviously :P < 1385086128 667567 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a qword which means it could be a long frickin' way away, so probabyl irrelevant for my purposes < 1385086276 686847 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385086932 374201 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385087312 486475 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120de.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385089034 626979 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385089156 376248 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385089300 831146 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385089345 888258 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385089607 842589 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120de.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385089976 155602 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385090632 174010 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385091128 494285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi adu < 1385091139 427752 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1385091149 891953 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize I had IRC open :) < 1385091150 974117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do? < 1385091169 32283 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you repeat that in the form of a question? < 1385092331 690435 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385093240 399556 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385094878 792978 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385095433 326037 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385095867 860606 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120de.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385096006 4360 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385098602 890594 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385099109 956663 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385100597 724814 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385101708 155825 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385102895 507295 :tangentstorm!~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385105105 52938 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi tangentstorm :-) < 1385105633 744509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I still have the RFC style on the to-do list. < 1385105671 367451 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1385105681 17614 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are RFC holy < 1385105694 782414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, won't people be offended if I put religious texts in? < 1385105750 833434 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if they're all dead religions, and that's where i come in < 1385105802 315639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: freenode channel guidelines imply human beings have been "designed". < 1385105814 423347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ Speakers in physical proximity with each other communicate quite a bit of emotional context via this extra bandwidth. This context enables them to avoid misjudging the intent of their conversational partners. It also functions as an unconscious negative feedback mechanism to reduce the incidence of emotional "firestorms" which tend to disrupt the efficient flow of conversation. Human beings ... < 1385105820 420463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... look for this feedback and indeed they may be designed to require it. ]] < 1385105827 905383 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385105837 850271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always found the freenode pseudo-psychology material amusing. < 1385105866 114329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have you polished your catalyst skills today?) < 1385105875 121816 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusement is about the most positive emotion i can muster in response to it < 1385105909 452824 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385106030 983467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned off my computer at home yesterday night since it wasn't really doing anything in particular and I would have had to reboot anyway, but now it's not responding to WOL packets. :/ < 1385106384 5006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the lack of psychic communication from fungot may lead to people misreading its intent and e.g. getting offended < 1385106384 308790 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: " no," said teppic. it was the rare kind of madness caused by being yourself for so long. < 1385106419 426957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You certainly have your fair share of that. < 1385106419 666633 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' commander vimes is keen on reports.' albert coughed nervously. < 1385106601 135547 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385106622 575023 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how long have you been yourself anyway? < 1385106622 743547 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ' don't you dare patronize me!" < 1385106660 106409 :tangentstorm!~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey impomatic :) just heard about this channel, so i thought i'd come lurk :) < 1385107158 102180 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385107408 383501 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385109928 833446 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385110031 926983 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385110245 976617 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385110250 719496 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385110745 738617 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385110982 193961 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385113231 793433 :tangentstorm!~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 < 1385113855 437504 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385114977 106286 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385115704 766797 :dchevak!~cadmin@67.58.29.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385115936 931884 :dchevak!~cadmin@67.58.29.64 PART :#esoteric < 1385116633 907988 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385116964 672010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385118573 111886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385120197 669717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385121000 644226 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385122924 666614 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385123531 341858 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385124211 663003 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385125579 565363 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385125833 686572 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385125836 141965 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385125881 574824 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385126002 831980 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385126136 388151 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385126143 765919 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385129679 533673 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1385129845 523139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel of the chimæric hellos | The most corum, clargoint chait you could ever loofefl your slance in. | Magnus♔ | Koirammekokaan ei lennä? :( | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1385130110 605007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good U+2654 morning! < 1385130468 908752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-acoustic-mesh -- Preserve word-level acoustic information (times, scores, and pronunciations) in sausages, encoded as described in wlat-format(5)." < 1385130472 391970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the terminology. < 1385130565 889891 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«acoustic sausages à la provençale, with an entrée of preserved meshes» < 1385130802 557087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-write-mesh-dir dir -- Similar, but write sausages to files in dir named after the utterance IDs." < 1385130816 693239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-init-mesh file -- Initialize the word confusion network by reading an existing sausage from file. This effectively aligns the lattice being processed to the existing sausage." < 1385130849 78142 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating... and delicious. < 1385130885 421352 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sausages are egregious. < 1385131435 784391 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385131569 387730 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385131595 88907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellogeyui. Tanelle. < 1385131651 399813 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoily < 1385131679 615329 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I now own nerf guns help < 1385132016 812003 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385132327 253994 :fergusq!587033a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.112.51.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385132353 753822 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCA136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385132364 326950 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCA136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of you programming in deadfish? < 1385132441 50836 :fergusq!587033a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.112.51.166 QUIT :Client Quit < 1385132616 822091 :Rylee!rylai@unaffiliated/rylai JOIN :#esoteric < 1385132632 328931 :Rylee!rylai@unaffiliated/rylai PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 0.4.3-dev" < 1385132864 991668 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. too missed `relcomopprtunities... < 1385132872 909880 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385132873 282460 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what kind of nerf gun? < 1385132909 877123 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite Strongarm times 2 < 1385132916 532045 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you `relcomissed them < 1385132999 913689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2013/11/22/heap-overflow-in-floating-point-parsing-cve-2013-4164/ < 1385133003 287036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap overflow < 1385133004 990597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in floating point parsing < 1385133007 122837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2013 < 1385133075 127352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all there in the url people < 1385133079 374520 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385133216 61554 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 NICK :Ngevd < 1385133225 573024 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heloooooooodl. < 1385133245 185841 :Ngevd!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 NICK :Taneb < 1385133342 676063 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily~ < 1385133465 89633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, i wrote a program that self-modifies its machine code by calling read() < 1385133502 724876 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it reads into a 'buffer' in the middle of the program? < 1385133520 572258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385133525 229039 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hells yea < 1385133564 107812 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary. < 1385133568 919268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385133757 842903 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that program is used to control medical hardware, I hope? < 1385133774 260149 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385133939 817982 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCA136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S1_afk < 1385134239 296725 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-41-211.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385134277 769927 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-41-211.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385134277 927742 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385134340 405105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385134347 707115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nuclear-powered flying hospital < 1385134483 424466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you at least use a lock so another thread can't execute the function while you're modifying it? < 1385134658 462518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have threads < 1385134662 244685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't have functions < 1385134677 446699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or registers (except as necessary to call read()) < 1385134709 288846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what? < 1385134730 44294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work < 1385134738 117680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay tuned for an article about it < 1385134779 325391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not even have other processes sharing that memory map executing simultanously for which you need an ipc lock? < 1385134857 356052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385134864 985605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be more eso if i did < 1385134870 878961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the kind of wasteful last century program that has a complete copy of its code allocated for just a single thread of execution? does your wood-powered hospital submarine waste its oil like it was last century too? < 1385135067 266287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with 'yes' < 1385135833 655156 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys < 1385135848 909043 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to try to find some PC speaker music from some old game < 1385135874 423166 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I do it by just looking at the binary for the opcodes of "send shit to the PC speaker" < 1385135887 610039 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see what happens < 1385135957 113876 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe with a disassembler to be more readable) < 1385136118 84281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no such opcodes. the pc speaker is driven by a programmable timer, which can be programmed via a couple of IO ports ... http://wiki.osdev.org/PC_Speaker may be useful < 1385136150 536894 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware, yes < 1385136179 603969 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.intel-assembler.it/portale/5/make-sound-from-the-speaker-in-assembly/8255-8255-8284-asm-program-example.asp < 1385136187 926299 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a pretty good description of it < 1385136292 31746 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I assume you cound find in a binary the "send to port 61H" parts < 1385136299 29134 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe find the actual music from there < 1385136316 588601 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I guess it might be a procedure making it a bit more complicated) < 1385136335 406326 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385136385 929149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosbox has some debugging features < 1385136431 44848 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385136606 366091 :S1_afk!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCA136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S1 < 1385136696 914588 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I made you a thing < 1385136717 527509 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: what is this mysterious thing you made at me? < 1385136722 816049 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello boily < 1385136724 696755 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily < 1385136735 627897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. oooooooh. < 1385136744 677180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins :D
< 1385136937 367358 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello mrhmouse < 1385136939 241354 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmellouse < 1385137190 946899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello kmc < 1385137192 752959 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmcello < 1385137263 157931 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a few basic situations that it checks for, and then it falls back to "Hello, !". < 1385137336 94706 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe I should have it output similarly to `thanks. "Hello, boily. belloily." < 1385138867 165577 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you thankify the ello, it'll remove its charm! < 1385138918 448985 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any list of "famous" PL problems like expression, samefringe, etc < 1385138943 317206 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rosettacode? PL shootout on alioth? < 1385139085 338139 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like rosetta code is mostly algorithms that can have different implementations based on the language, but don't really highlight the difficulty of a problem resulting from the languages design decisions, if that makes sense < 1385139407 335337 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello nooodl < 1385139409 172078 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nellooodl < 1385139439 337442 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/ello < 1385139441 75440 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env node \ (function() { \ var consonant_then_o, ends_with_consonant, ends_with_e, name, starts_with_o; \ \ name = process.argv[2]; \ \ if (!(name != null ? name.length : void 0)) { \ console.log('Usage: ello '); \ process.exit(); \ } \ \ ends_with_e = /(.*)(e)$/i; \ \ consonant_then_o = /(.*)([bcdfghjklm < 1385139465 170552 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes javascript < 1385139504 106255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric ;) < 1385139590 695668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385140136 54639 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCA136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S1_afk < 1385140391 2660 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: what's wrong with JavaScript? :P < 1385140847 45939 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salaam aleikum < 1385140853 362119 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1385140855 501939 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prototypal inheritance is so 1990s < 1385140855 665250 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window < 1385141594 35214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meanwhile the first draft of the wolfram language documentation is up: http://reference.wolfram.com/language/ < 1385141599 550012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mathematica < 1385141605 61243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's literally mathematica < 1385141697 164199 :S1_afk!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCA136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S1 < 1385142112 218849 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's mathematica but named after Wolfram < 1385142146 838025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he makes sure to call it Wolfram Mathematica when he can get away with it < 1385142173 385639 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he was saying "Wolfram/Mathematica" < 1385142179 236082 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some say "GNU/Linux" < 1385142189 705247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/WebOperations.html < 1385142202 655758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, looks like something got past the search-and-replace < 1385142204 579858 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I kind of want a linux distro with no GNU components, just to piss off Stallman) < 1385142224 205706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :those exist i think? but probably not on the desktp < 1385142226 284009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deskto < 1385142228 164973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*desktop < 1385142271 383805 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant a desktop one, yeah < 1385142364 359373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385142490 293946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that would be difficult < 1385142760 671195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you should do is have every contributor listed in the name rather than just GNU < 1385142904 540923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's cold and rainy outside, nothing beats a good plate of random steamy italian food. < 1385143356 376116 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385143808 976967 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385143900 355666 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385144286 977088 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385144721 147267 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1385144808 683912 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudden random interrogation: what happened to jsvine and his II? < 1385144953 847786 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿jsvine? < 1385144970 977457 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿II? < 1385144977 102658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows < 1385144982 160976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen jsvine < 1385144987 360475 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen jsvine ever < 1385144994 919977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen jsvine ever < 1385145001 7834 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-08-05 21:08:56: Bike: you might like this: https://github.com/dwillis/post_haste < 1385145049 451673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if bike liked it < 1385145065 752700 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385145115 831543 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385145595 703208 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: Infamous Interview. < 1385145614 497915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, 2013-08-05 21:08:56: Bike: you might like this: https://github.com/dwillis/post_haste < 1385145614 655521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if bike liked it < 1385145670 639062 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember august < 1385145808 126283 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :August was like forever ago < 1385145814 106547 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :even HackEgo seems to think so < 1385145903 628986 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many evers is August for you? < 1385145903 982150 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ' not your fault you've moved into a city full of giants,' said detritus, stoically. ' i see here where it contains a number of surprised animals stared down at him. < 1385145934 651820 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pratchett style today, eh? and indeed, it ain't my problem. besides, giants live Downtown, and I don't. < 1385145935 19698 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " i suppose it makes sense anyway. there's only so much more clearly... wondering about going in and out of the window by their ankles < 1385146031 285614 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring fungot style imo < 1385146031 782816 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oats gave up and made a noise like a mouse blowing fnord, and eight, and a couple of ugly things were coiled up in the darkness, found the greasy pilings of a jetty, and clung to them, we're something that might have looked like part of the background hum of the castle mews. there was a question about music. power found its way out. < 1385146064 358856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`style fungot < 1385146064 546523 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 45. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 19/ fnord < 1385146065 765551 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: style: not found < 1385146072 96172 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1385146072 253896 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1385146080 147298 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, that shit's illegal!! < 1385146111 209691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I didn't know you're a pirate < 1385146111 433459 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1385146139 178907 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a sign? I think fungot wasn't content with my choice of style < 1385146139 337054 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going, tough one. if we solve it,... i know... < 1385146162 427067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's getting sinister < 1385146162 615067 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it's not. it's more complex than that. read the code.) good stuff < 1385146179 234013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry fungot i've underestimated the depths of your character < 1385146179 391746 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: to, uhhh.... like nuns in the street, and has not named a programming language... as it's pretty difficult to get computers, but i think they can keep their bullsh*t straight.) < 1385146207 807931 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: your code *is* good stuff, though < 1385146207 965811 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue! fnord fnord --user:protiousgeorge ( user talk:protioustalk) 01:44, 8 september. the officials of the european union's number, and can be extended by nesting them ( having one function call. if one is older. see http://okmij.org/ ftp/ papers/ lagarias/ paper/ html/ fnord < 1385146251 918744 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dream. I dream that someday fungot will balance his parenthesises. < 1385146252 77032 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) < 1385146267 725048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your dream came true < 1385146278 607692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thungot. < 1385146278 802506 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: am i that much bad. take up, boy; open't. so, now go with, do miscarrie, thou had'st bin resolute pompey < 1385146791 36302 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCA136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1385146997 424421 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily! < 1385147007 884381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoily! < 1385147018 274861 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to watch a fungottian version of Julius Caesar < 1385147018 525082 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: and is one thing which you might want is broken" archives. even less chance. i called " o" in " the other side has. you came through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through and through < 1385147055 670880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it when it gets stuck in loops < 1385147108 113097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1385147108 278379 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1385147112 599277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is demonstrating Pollard's rho method? < 1385147112 831176 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but that is so funny to read my previous post? again: no a320 has ever flown completely by computer and fully automated, there for taking him into the forest at over 200mph? wikipedia should not be allowed to show the ' tenor' roles... < 1385147135 489142 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hintopia! before you ask, no package yet. < 1385147146 107030 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello me < 1385147147 811203 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mello < 1385147148 348086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't even thinking of asking < 1385147165 662194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello quintopia < 1385147167 848217 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintellopia < 1385147176 867881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever! < 1385147246 6795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want your package! < 1385147298 169710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in charge of that! talk to the postal service! < 1385147323 406811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you mean the other one. in which case, ... talk to "the postal service") < 1385147489 709998 :s_o_l!~Sol@cpe-174-101-181-149.cinci.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385147503 230684 :s_o_l!~Sol@cpe-174-101-181-149.cinci.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385147577 621957 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the joy of having to go through USPS and Postes Canada... < 1385147586 23755 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurray, got Flat Assembler to work! < 1385147588 779072 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I printed an h! < 1385147591 317993 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I meant the other other one.) < 1385147610 586240 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I had to go to dosbox < 1385147622 720345 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently windows 64 bits is a bit more finnicky < 1385147741 630058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I can still do *that* ... mov al, 68h; int 29h; int 0x20h < 1385147752 725861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, 0x20 -> 20h < 1385147760 606286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hh -> h < 1385147829 734466 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I incremented the register and printed it < 1385147833 931588 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it says hi :o < 1385147887 59114 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are your brainfscking your helloworld through assembly by hand? that's nice :D < 1385148056 21846 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I am lurnin' < 1385148080 846165 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-130.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385148087 638526 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-130.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385148153 129737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what on earth where they thinking when they decided to use $ as a terminator for strings... http://www.ctyme.com/intr/rb-2562.htm < 1385148182 201501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe they didn't appreciate money back then? :) ) < 1385148249 798162 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you print an '$', then? < 1385148294 284751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should link to this copy, less infested by banners (but still some stuff from amazon. sigh. the internet is going to hell.). http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/rbinter/id/73/25.html < 1385148351 60077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you can print single characters or use proper file IO: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/rbinter/id/02/28.html < 1385148378 602314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0 is stdin and 1 is stdout, I wonder where they got that from ;-) ) < 1385148746 477521 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have multiple aggressive adblocking and privacy-preserving extensions installed. < 1385148781 593927 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BX is on how many bytes? < 1385148850 587136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 16 bit register < 1385148915 590997 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or two 8 bit ones < 1385148920 235874 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BH and BL < 1385148935 700812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or half a 32-bit one, or one quarter of a 64-bit one. < 1385149229 263462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, at most 65536 open files at the same time. < 1385149237 803897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, minus stdin, out and err) < 1385149531 445818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll run out of memory first < 1385149571 915249 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is the 32 bit, EBX I think? < 1385149577 621031 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And RBX for 64? < 1385149635 520955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385149640 932252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, I forgot that. CONFIG.SYS had a FILES directive for the number of files that could be opened at once; typical values would be 20 to 40. < 1385149670 641730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(keep in mind that as a rule, only one process would have files open at a time. so that's actually plenty.) < 1385150030 674550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILES=255 < 1385150036 394132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't go any higher.) < 1385150095 639314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that eats kilobytes of memory! < 1385150227 373231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385150470 421718 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm.. kilobytes... < 1385150801 693699 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385151118 370923 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385151231 990073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have FILES=80 in my CONFIG.SYS, it seems. < 1385151240 991788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILES=80 STACKS=9,256 < 1385151267 166447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait; there's FILES=35 for some other menu options. < 1385151272 727165 :faryad!~faryadkar@5.124.193.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385151430 80733 :faryad!~faryadkar@5.124.193.216 QUIT : < 1385151620 68735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you still have a config.sys? < 1385151632 203094 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people here have weird, weird setups. < 1385151657 985451 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 you are the weirdest. < 1385151658 143920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385151694 649607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have one too in my bochs dos install. I have to play commander keen somehow. < 1385151707 951189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's in ~/archive/backup/older/colin/old/misc_install/4dos/config.sys, so it's not exactly... active... < 1385151717 229895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1385151730 590180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colin? < 1385151732 246990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs locate config.sys
< 1385151739 409376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess colin is a hostname < 1385151744 655458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: A former hostname, indeed. < 1385151753 701651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I might be able to play it without a config.sys in dosbox, technically, but I run a real ms-dos in bochs more often < 1385151774 381174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use dosbox only for games that don't run under bochs < 1385151822 464427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should perhaps do some directory cleaning some day. < 1385151841 417667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an illustrative example, there's the directory ~/__UBUNTU__/_MUST_SORT_/momusspace-before-crash/mnt/_NSA_MOVE_/music_unsorted/random/old/unsorted/ that has some music in it. < 1385151887 451954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: in fact, I also have a smaller bochs install that I wired up to irc and might be thematically approperiate for this channel: < 1385151896 393463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I figured out what's up with Unity; it's trying to become Google Desktop < 1385151906 315840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run edlin in it to edit files, then bcc to compile C and run the executables < 1385151907 202048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains why people are confused < 1385151912 85290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can serve as an evalbot < 1385151916 732305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wow, I used to use bcc < 1385151917 255831 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess /etc/dosemu/freedos/config.sys doesn't really count. < 1385151935 188907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can show it if you want but it's a bit verbose so probably not on this channel < 1385151951 551222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would have to dig out the HD image from a previous PC) < 1385151956 522723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's #esoteric-blah for things that are appropriate here except too verbose < 1385151959 94166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it hasn't been used for ages < 1385151963 259702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1385151967 271356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I doubt anyone's there < 1385152047 540571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to try it, just tell me so < 1385152082 431562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :evalbot? HackEgo is good enough for me... < 1385152107 958039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this runs a full OS where you have root rights < 1385152121 757129 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an even more off-topic channel than #esoteric? wooooah, duuuuude... < 1385152124 92008 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still sounds like hackego < 1385152149 276622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically you can even install a new OS on it and reboot, all through irc, only you want a very small OS because it's not connected to the internet so you have to transmit all the files through irc < 1385152181 55357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not connected to the internet" haha < 1385152217 835760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no internet protocol, I got it, but it's still a funny claim when you can talk to it via IRC) < 1385152248 715507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, IRC would work without being part of the public Internet, despite the "Internet" in its name < 1385152252 460510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not no internet protocol < 1385152258 32836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that the virtual machine doesn't have a net connection < 1385152261 284661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet used to not be part of the public Internet at all < 1385152268 2200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a serial console which a wrapper connects to irc < 1385152273 283485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although nowadays nearly always goes over the Internet < 1385152285 54211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some Usenet-only cable still keeping it connected somewhere < 1385152373 728906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory you could install a linux on the vm and use the same wrapper, configured to talk through serial console, and it would still not have net access < 1385152462 499551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but if you set it to talk slirp or something over the IRC to another system that's configured to route for it. < 1385152469 994527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could argue it suddely has net access. < 1385152473 992044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the other system is proxying for it < 1385152476 752061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it only has proxy access < 1385152495 561097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, only the bandwidth would be really slow < 1385152503 444410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not any different from a carrier who does NAT for all their customers, and that's still called "net access". < 1385152520 249631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but you don't need net access < 1385152531 739697 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just directly type an uuencoded file through the serial console < 1385152552 813159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd be limited in bandwidth seriously < 1385152555 773605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not worth < 1385152578 389063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a matter of principle. < 1385152582 874352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to transmit large files, it would be easier to convince me to give you some kind of direct access outside of irc, or run the machine yourself, or something < 1385152586 372860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1385152676 788577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you consider yourself to have net access? < 1385152676 946235 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, pilots on board...there were 136 people on board. the first modern warfare(which i think his face. well, atleast in tucson, arizona. during the cold war. < 1385152734 728666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I have an urge to show that bot here and get kicked for flood < 1385152788 896573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: your bot couldn't be as floody as mine. let's have a duel! < 1385152801 299737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok, on what channel? < 1385152821 18182 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: esoteric-blah. < 1385152825 569068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: #buubot ? that channel likes floody bots < 1385152843 334781 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buubot? < 1385152848 728269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-blah then < 1385153021 584830 :genesisp31011!~canaima@190.142.3.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385153070 440892 :genesisp31011!~canaima@190.142.3.88 PART :#esoteric < 1385153213 107435 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo < 1385153218 122542 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a function to display a number < 1385153240 90090 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job. < 1385153317 582544 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385153337 128610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385153721 859718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wrong window <-- in which Slereah accidentally reveals his al-qaeda membership. < 1385153732 212859 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was for #generalrelativity < 1385153740 247588 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a secret Al Qaeda front) < 1385153741 587178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(convert 0 <= al <= 15 to 0123456789ABCDEF ASCII:) cmp al, 10; sbb al, 69h; das < 1385153754 940479 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We discuss the word of the Imam Al Bert < 1385153843 796001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gener al-relativity < 1385154131 115535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello relativity < 1385154133 151942 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, relativity! < 1385154186 567491 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, it falls back to a simple hello when it can't mangle the name nicely.. Any ideas for how to mangle "relativity"? < 1385154213 634205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting something like rello-ativity < 1385154218 187248 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello bike < 1385154220 319004 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikello < 1385154227 923738 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatello < 1385154239 707769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello int-e < 1385154241 550358 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello < 1385154252 528814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello lambdabot < 1385154254 277455 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabellot < 1385154260 441389 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I could probably have it look for el+ < 1385154340 637194 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe el+[aeiouy]+, and have it output "rellotivity" < 1385154443 592228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello shachaf < 1385154445 776722 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafello < 1385154457 378179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello cello < 1385154459 358363 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellello < 1385154493 799201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello kmc < 1385154495 839403 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmcello < 1385154518 44234 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello fungot < 1385154518 238721 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: is this funny shit. unless they pull off a level, really, i dont now how too write it in the programation, the crew at the station, then... shit, we saw survivors, later we saw captain covered with blood after the game- the preview? < 1385154520 95266 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungellot < 1385154546 905813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1385154547 64686 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube* < 1385154558 689697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… youtube comments are no more < 1385154564 391918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they live on through fungot < 1385154564 549807 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, laminarwing, test planes with airline colors are not like im writing a fucking freak. < 1385154583 469087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wow v. realistic < 1385154583 626778 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: get the facts that are part 121 certified by both the game was hysterical. < 1385154611 21577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah shachaf get the facts. fungot is 121 certified for realistic youtube comment impressions. < 1385154611 179259 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: here's the short haired one from earlier scenes on trailer. < 1385154622 748037 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. hysterical < 1385154807 860786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of fixated on planes in this mode. < 1385154861 553378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell me about the astral plane < 1385154861 776823 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't be discouraged from flying again. < 1385154914 239970 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello relativity < 1385154915 948619 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rellotivity < 1385154949 829029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1385154950 62166 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1385155001 385243 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I've never flown before. What should I expect from it? < 1385155001 603937 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: no one was aboard this flight had a little over 3,000. granted, any crash is unacceptable but i just don't want to land xd < 1385155029 116779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You've got to land at some point. < 1385155029 274381 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to any expert, what is the first unmanned, computer didn't ' try to see people killed. < 1385155039 194791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's comforting. < 1385155056 875468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any people-killing was apparently purely accidental. < 1385155072 622365 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot didn't _mean_ to kill people. it just didn't want to land. < 1385155072 780086 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: what�s that " these angels" are the old her better when she saw me jizz in my pants < 1385155118 710050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e 'print "\u\c*\c5\c3\c4\c`\c!\c.\c/\c4\c(\c%\c2 \u\c0\c%\c2\c,\c`\c(\c!c\c+\c%\c2\cJ"' < 1385155120 150539 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385155125 500042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1385155130 497991 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :try with `run < 1385155134 68444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'print "\u\c*\c5\c3\c4\c`\c!\c.\c/\c4\c(\c%\c2 \u\c0\c%\c2\c,\c`\c(\c!c\c+\c%\c2\cJ"' < 1385155135 447010 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another Perl hacker < 1385155141 366779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better, thanks < 1385155164 977783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`command blah bluh bleh" runs `command` with the single argument that is the literal string "blah bluh bleh" < 1385155174 977288 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas `run does sh < 1385155182 108619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1385155203 611617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/$$/cmdline < 1385155205 449572 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat./proc/285/cmdline. < 1385155263 472607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/$PPID/cmdline < 1385155265 48840 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh.-c.'env' 'PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' 'HACKENV=/hackenv' 'http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128' 'LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8' '/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits' 'bash' '-c' 'cat /proc/$PPID/cmdline' | cat. < 1385155268 505419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eeval for'for$=(2..27){$*=0;$*=($**$=+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr$*}'."\n#ig\\tq\24^-/v\c^l,\23\$%\3\ta2\tk\b\c\)\x18 -- ambrus" < 1385155269 897265 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$* is no longer supported at (eval 1) line 1. \ Just another Perl hacker, < 1385155291 48301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1385155320 996355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I have a variant that's warning-free in newer perls < 1385155348 569663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eeval for"for\$^(2..27){\$==0;\$==(\$=*\$^+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr\$=}\n#P*h!9= Nn[\c\9\0*.:\eUt\17%j{dY\31 -- ambrus" < 1385155349 981222 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another Perl hacker, < 1385155350 445874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK, you don't have to type it. < 1385155354 240079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We believe you. < 1385155409 383311 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bot msgs the answer without any prefix. I like that, that's great for creating a loop between two bots. < 1385155422 944994 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite true < 1385155441 68580 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it inserts ^O before the reply, precisely to protect against that (and unwanted CTCPs) < 1385155452 300335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nice < 1385155470 629815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about that trick < 1385155479 148270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1385155491 177339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the normal method is to just have bots send NOTICEs instead of msgs, but few people do that < 1385155545 846349 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385155549 880032 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385155550 158072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a non-breaking space it inserts, isn't it? < 1385155555 581357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, zero-width space. < 1385155556 486657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no < 1385155559 479933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1385155560 885563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1385155562 525915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1385155562 683477 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembler is bitching if I try mov es, ip < 1385155576 633317 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it not the same size, or is it because it's the instruction pointer? < 1385155578 539242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo division < 1385155579 855128 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :division < 1385155586 781010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: there's no such instruction < 1385155589 251799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write to the instruction pointer with jmp < 1385155597 637527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, it doesn't actually insert anything! < 1385155603 399990 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm not writing in IP < 1385155608 735505 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading its value < 1385155613 535910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's only inserted when the reply starts with something that could plausibly be a command prefix. < 1385155619 356880 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And saving it for later < 1385155620 543865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: still, there's just no such instruction as that on x86 < 1385155622 933186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ^a < 1385155624 131117 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^a < 1385155625 729080 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385155634 31053 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I keep track of where I left off then? < 1385155636 36342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385155637 988906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo .foo < 1385155639 271970 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.foo < 1385155646 222410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: with the call insn < 1385155647 355753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode > ​.f < 1385155648 892764 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+002E FULL STOP] [U+0066 LATIN SMALL LETTER F] < 1385155657 458694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE, apparently. < 1385155661 972790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ] 39$'x' < 1385155662 130729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Numberwang! < 1385155663 264974 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​] 39$'x' < 1385155667 136088 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insn? < 1385155671 468286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction < 1385155679 644381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo evalj: 39$'x' < 1385155681 73691 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evalj: 39$'x' < 1385155681 271923 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1385155711 890699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo evalj: '`echo hi' < 1385155712 377593 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pushes Instruction Pointer (and Code Segment for far calls) onto stack and loads Instruction Pointer with the address of proc-name." < 1385155713 95073 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evalj: '`echo hi' < 1385155713 567437 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: `echo hi < 1385155715 442435 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, sounds like it < 1385155768 537927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, yes, it looks like it inserts some non-ascii stuff before some prefixes < 1385155780 466547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and evalj doesn't like that before its short prefix < 1385155812 352943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ~help < 1385155813 691012 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​~help < 1385155819 758153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too smart < 1385155828 169123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything outside of [a-z] and maybe digits, from what I recall. < 1385155831 161979 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To jump back, can I pop the stack into es and do jmp es? < 1385155843 427984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: No, but you can "ret". < 1385155874 64992 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit disappointed < 1385155874 415258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also pop the stack to some general-purpose register (not a segment one) and jmp to it, but that sounds very silly. < 1385155884 937043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: this is what arch exactly? x86_16, x86_32, or x86_64? < 1385155890 803684 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting assembly to be a bit more arcane < 1385155899 744651 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently using DOSBOX for it < 1385155907 695390 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I assume it is 16? < 1385155910 840336 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 maybe < 1385155925 159838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 or 32, depending. < 1385155934 300131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to treat ip as a general register, get an ARM or MIPS or whichever arch that is that does that < 1385155938 300578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that's crazy < 1385155950 701366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad idea for an architecture to do that < 1385155952 847058 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is #esoteric < 1385155955 958512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1385155960 105093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM no longer does that in AArch64, either. < 1385155970 732449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1385155971 462698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No more combined multi-register pop and return.) < 1385155988 200736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have jump instructions then? < 1385156002 887781 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any "real" architectures that treat pc as a general register? < 1385156010 988769 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and encode jumps as arithmetic on pc) < 1385156033 165974 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be pretty neat to be able to write some self modifying code < 1385156041 475313 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 32-bit ARM do that? < 1385156050 41690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing code with pc in it and stuff < 1385156069 599240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think that's arguable. I mean, it does have separate jump instructions too. < 1385156071 236240 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the notion of a program counter was oudatd. < 1385156092 831251 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. so like, redundant instructions? is there a reason for that? < 1385156093 552727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: (With bigger relative offsets than just usual immediate arithmetic.) < 1385156096 179399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1385156096 537071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, x86_64 can read ip, though not as a general register, < 1385156102 260057 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense. < 1385156109 29603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added that so you can write position independent code < 1385156117 897182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can't just write ip of course < 1385156120 500320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need jumps for that < 1385156148 729895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Also conditional jumps even in modes that don't have condition bits for all instructions. < 1385156150 262032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, x86_32 didn't have that < 1385156167 121349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: so what? you can still write self-modifying code with jumps < 1385156200 225054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: if you want to do so, I recommend overwriting the instruction byte of a conditional jump with the opposite condition < 1385156209 257009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus dynamically negating a jump < 1385156227 244944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommend as in #esoteric obviously < 1385156299 385019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What it didn't have (I think) is a separate RET instruction, but I guess that's pretty common on architectures with a link register. < 1385156432 46061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you'd get that impression from Knuth, yeah < 1385156451 678629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a program counter is really just a different name for an instruction pointer, or for the * register as Knuth calls it < 1385156457 285324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he doesn't call it a register < 1385156475 939172 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : i meant because of ooe and stuff. < 1385156483 679889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooe? < 1385156483 984476 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a while since i've read taocp1, unfortunately < 1385156487 975927 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of order execution < 1385156494 391450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um so? < 1385156507 176160 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooe: Out Of Echaracter. < 1385156519 124970 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So things aren't as simple as one instruction then another instruction. < 1385156523 371017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semantics is still given by serial execution with an ip, except maybe with some modification < 1385156541 650575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the cpu can just randomly pick instructions from anywhere and execute them < 1385156562 515794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some obfuscations play with that, but real cpus don't < 1385156576 32814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that ioccc winner < 1385156665 311999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl sub h($){($_=$_[0]=pack b208,0 .unpack b362,$_[0])=~tr/\0-\c?/\0/;tr/\0/\377/c;$_}do{$y=$r;$v=join$r='',a..z;$r^=h$r&"\217"x26^h$v&$y for 0..6;$r^=$_ x26}for"k6sNP2B}({ambrusLB%Ox)Z]n0*zf\0I3"=~/./g;print$r < 1385156666 757180 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "sub h($){($_=$_[0]=pack b208,0 .unpack b362,$_[0])=~tr/\0-\c?/\0/;tr/\0/\377/c;$_}do{$y=$r;$v=join$r='',a..z;$r^=h$r&"\217"x26^h$v&$y for 0..6;$r^=$_ x26}for"k6sNP2B}({ambrusLB%Ox)Z]n0*zf\0I3"=~/./g;print$r": No such file or directory < 1385156675 348879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esub h($){($_=$_[0]=pack b208,0 .unpack b362,$_[0])=~tr/\0-\c?/\0/;tr/\0/\377/c;$_}do{$y=$r;$v=join$r='',a..z;$r^=h$r&"\217"x26^h$v&$y for 0..6;$r^=$_ x26}for"k6sNP2B}({ambrusLB%Ox)Z]n0*zf\0I3"=~/./g;print$r < 1385156676 745268 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another Perl hacker, < 1385156679 808187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1385156694 134415 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is that linënoise... < 1385156694 292107 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and if there were many passengers. < 1385156703 705748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=863110 < 1385156703 863466 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: then it'd have crashed. < 1385156704 21178 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the flying club which staged the show < 1385156706 615869 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many, many passengers. (fungöt) < 1385156709 150124 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1385156724 710721 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ain't clicking on that. I swore off perlmonks-related drugs years ago. < 1385156744 969044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: evaluates a polynomial over GF(128) < 1385156759 727704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that long double-quoted string encodes the polynomial < 1385156781 189561 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385156785 423356 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... < 1385156791 718965 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/clear < 1385156793 549692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/abort < 1385156797 930883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a funny story < 1385156798 100944 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/flee-in-abject-terror < 1385156894 298172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago I wrote a perl obfu that evaluates a polynomial over GF(127), which is of course much easier. then martin reinvented that idea and wrote his version. < 1385156925 927383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I said that his obfu was better than mine, but would be even more amazing if it did computations over GF(128). < 1385156972 86566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he took that seriously and wrote such an obfu, which works quite differently from mine: it computes a table of powers of some primitive root and uses that as a log table to do the multiplications. < 1385156991 322494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to one-up his obfu and so wrote this GF(128) obfu which is better < 1385157006 729327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks nicer if I don't have to paste it in one irc line of course < 1385157051 907895 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“looks better”. yeah right. it still disturbs me. < 1385157055 434322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice part is that the obfu is branded in that you can't just strip the "ambrus" part from it and replace it with your name without understanding the obfu < 1385157069 786674 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ucw6tpJa < 1385157075 99901 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn this took forever to write < 1385157076 17171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's part of the polynomial < 1385157112 947734 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it weren't, I'd only have felt dejected. < 1385157151 816303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: oh, shiny! < 1385157162 988969 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to write a loop to print all the numbers! < 1385157165 633081 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :255 to 0 < 1385157208 812528 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great < 1385157213 596081 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop uses cx < 1385157227 487639 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better rewrite the cx stuff into dx < 1385157234 910358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: modify it to write to stdout and you can try it with that dos machine hooked up to irc that I just showed on #esoteric-blah < 1385157249 69920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it even has an assembler installed I think < 1385157264 594831 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a lot to put in IRC < 1385157273 531840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1385157288 746086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip the comments and I guess it fits in a couple of irc lines < 1385157307 159670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, that's why it's -blah channel, we can flood there < 1385157397 92706 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The "label" operand must be within -128 or 127 bytes of the instruction following the loop instruction." < 1385157398 674824 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaat < 1385157412 280429 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn < 1385157418 435181 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well fortunately the code is small enough < 1385157420 455648 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: GAÀÁẢẠÃ! < 1385157423 417396 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385157471 908708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always do things like loop foo -> loop x; jmp y; x: jmp foo; y: ... though you're probably better off with dec cx; jnz foo. < 1385157491 209849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: really, modify it to call dos function 40h and it should work in termbot < 1385157491 582091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but loop preserves flags, so that's not always an option) < 1385157516 113976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why bother? on a 286 (or is it 386) onward you can just use the long form conditionals < 1385157528 15889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not with 'loop'. < 1385157528 217029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which take a wider offset < 1385157531 728650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, loop < 1385157532 760772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385157533 784436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1385157551 536607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: see also the part after the ellipsis :) < 1385157563 647229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1385157574 880964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this code is so short it won't even come up < 1385157635 920017 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19940612/loop.jpg < 1385157637 537601 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trippy < 1385157645 661127 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "line feed" doesn't mean the same thing here < 1385157695 805247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: show us the source when it's ok so we can try it in evalbot! < 1385157704 403661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need CR/LF (ASCII 13, 10) < 1385157714 506195 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you windows! < 1385157720 7182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS < 1385157724 855890 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :winDOS < 1385157728 803315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, old line printers did the same < 1385157747 877816 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this is not a printer < 1385157753 92891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even in the name, LF is a line feed, cr is a carriage return < 1385157761 14995 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware, yes < 1385157762 187423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a terminal, which emulates a printer :) < 1385157766 970780 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old typewriter terminology < 1385157794 841864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can skip the cr in the irc bot wrapper < 1385157804 537614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure < 1385157811 348931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cr lf is probably better < 1385157813 900304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more portable < 1385157855 754472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portable DOS code. < 1385157862 560610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: exactly < 1385157865 81677 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/hp1akjtk < 1385157867 321948 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go < 1385157868 863987 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1385157873 296970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: come on, windows will support it for years after dos < 1385157909 238505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: great, but like I said, modify it to use dos function 40h so it writes to stdout, or else the output won't go through irc < 1385157929 676096 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it called? < 1385157939 517039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, let me check the manual < 1385157947 359591 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int 40h, printing al? < 1385157954 435704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385158002 284731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/rbinter/id/69/25.html is probably more convenient (and should still go through the file handle properly) < 1385158032 513789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int 21h because it's a dos function, ah=40h, bx=1 is the file handle, cx= the number of bytes, ds:dx=address of bytes < 1385158044 139326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the write call for unix < 1385158049 568052 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck < 1385158053 464238 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses dx < 1385158058 662025 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But dx is required D: < 1385158059 592182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? push and pop it < 1385158063 928666 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1385158066 835410 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stackin' < 1385158073 191686 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, use mov ah,06h; mov dl,char; int 21h < 1385158088 435856 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I need to keep track of dx < 1385158092 475264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves you setting up a memory buffer < 1385158094 317595 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains important things < 1385158096 942948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :push dx; pop dx < 1385158101 1512 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will do < 1385158106 132675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can modify dx inbetween < 1385158107 68131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: does that go to stdout? I see < 1385158183 701111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm too used to unix to think of any way other than write(2) to write stuff < 1385158205 868804 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : printnum: < 1385158206 81096 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : add al, 0x30 < 1385158206 238880 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : push dx < 1385158206 239030 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov dl, al < 1385158206 239130 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov ah, 0x06 < 1385158206 443897 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int 0x21 < 1385158206 601550 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop dx < 1385158207 386909 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ret < 1385158208 896396 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All good? < 1385158235 211413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: let's hope. and the same for the crlf too I guess < 1385158240 848127 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385158340 655966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the bios serial port service too, but then you'd get a program that works only on the serial console, which would suck. let's use dos to hide this abstraction. < 1385158410 896508 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is assembler sensitive to linefeeds? < 1385158416 696083 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can I put it in a big line < 1385158449 880307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them have a command-separating character that lets you put multiple things on a line. (Some of them don't.) < 1385158475 291011 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/81tMfjaC < it is this anyway, if you want the 21h version < 1385158721 52286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sensitive < 1385158727 189249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can put multiple lines in an irc line < 1385158737 969122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll show in a few minutes < 1385158824 802315 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is jmp 0xabcd equivalent to mov ip, 0xabcd < 1385158937 361863 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385159143 937715 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever been able to mov into ip < 1385159155 47216 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you can't get the value of IP, how does the processor recall the value where it left when using CALL? < 1385159180 20034 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the processor can do things you can't, so to speak < 1385159205 601587 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are things like CALL actual instructions? < 1385159211 502485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1385159211 859973 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was assembler shortcuts < 1385159227 908167 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be on some other architecture < 1385159240 488332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: often it's a shortcut for a range of CALL instructions < 1385159246 120499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, CALL NEAR and CALL FAR, or whatever < 1385159269 526588 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1385159275 449285 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pushes the IP on the stack < 1385159283 195045 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you can get the IP < 1385159286 432078 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1385159290 113135 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL whatever < 1385159296 435979 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever: < 1385159305 955384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86, call is an actual instruction. you can read the IP using something like call next; next: pop ax (this can be useful because 'call' uses relative addressing. stuff like that is actually used in x86 dynamically linked libraries) < 1385159307 397756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"call next; next: pop bx" is the conventional "trick", yes. < 1385159308 957981 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop ax < 1385159352 236376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: CALL ABSOLUTE(VARPTR(a%(0))) < 1385159385 535436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for x86, I should've written "near call" there :) < 1385159412 382895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I've used a system where the stack was not in normal memory, and could only be manipulated via call and return instructions < 1385159420 49183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was only 8 entries < 1385159420 206910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Numberwang! < 1385159462 752196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're writing regular, non-position-independent code, you can typically "read the IP" (so to say) by using a special symbol -- often $ or . -- that the assembler replaces with the address of the current instruction, incidentally. < 1385159559 549416 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : Damn you < 1385159566 904605 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't be denied my IP! < 1385159575 634047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: ? < 1385159581 125238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really really weird reaction < 1385159585 385293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to lambdabot randomly spouting stuff < 1385159592 687876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even my fault :-( < 1385159599 763389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1385159602 883868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not my fault either < 1385159607 464369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the system's < 1385159612 621199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the IP was stored in regular memory < 1385159614 544296 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my fault, though I'd like to put the blame on chrisdone (on #haskell) < 1385159625 956927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could assign to it to do a computed goto if you wanted to < 1385159688 78176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, though, I don't like strong maledictions like that when I haven't done anything wrong < 1385159692 22464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even when I have, really) < 1385159705 614353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having used a system with a weird stack is not really something to be damned over < 1385159741 690126 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385159746 970695 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What thing to try out next < 1385159756 357933 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess some arithmetics < 1385159771 505658 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then 99! < 1385159778 570916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: seriously, though < 1385159784 114899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not nice < 1385159795 406903 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally can't figure out how to negate a bus < 1385159796 636198 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1385159804 679103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: damning me over using a weird CPU architecture < 1385159805 241049 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i'm basically idiot satan < 1385159814 636639 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was more of a joke < 1385159815 616596 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: ais has this thing where he reacts to "damn". < 1385159822 511381 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really damn people in seriousness < 1385159826 22035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1385159828 453828 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless be they damn dirty apes < 1385159831 788050 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you? < 1385159858 349082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1385159895 504774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d QUIT :Quit: bye, bye, numberwang < 1385159942 90045 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a shorter way to display a byte < 1385159955 462346 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without resorting to interrupts or such < 1385160048 204343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fuck you btw < 1385160077 595215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't mind people saying that because it doesn't really make much sense when interpreted literally < 1385160088 9206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, it's just an entirely generic insult with no substance < 1385160099 820174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does damn < 1385160119 938701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let's not pretend you have any reason for doing it beyond amusing yourself < 1385160132 778865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385160139 196080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I care about language not eroding < 1385160150 832367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people keep on using words with meanings entirely different from their actual meanings < 1385160155 711865 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 < 1385160156 984903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually communication will become impossible < 1385160159 230744 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English isn't eroding < 1385160161 361058 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points and laughs at the prescriptivist
< 1385160168 282398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called the language evolution that has been happening for thousands of years < 1385160171 72867 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages don't erode when they're living < 1385160172 880283 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385160182 147998 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seriously so bad at verilog though. < 1385160183 94752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I formed the possessive of someone's name, that ended with s, via adding just an apostrophe today < 1385160185 174881 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the one eroding, here. < 1385160187 886619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :miraculously, communication still appears to be possible, despite the frightening lack of prescriptivists thousands of years ago < 1385160189 790094 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to see a language erode go to some village in bumfuck siberia where it's spoken by 3 people < 1385160198 174372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and concluded that it was probably correct nowadays, but I felt bad about it < 1385160206 917229 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop worrying about stupid shit < 1385160227 432999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reynolds's" is not something anyone would say nowadays, even though they probably would when I was younger < 1385160237 693071 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god. < 1385160253 576159 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh i have no actual evidence that you're not actually speaking french and i just don't know it?? < 1385160265 83942 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, modern language, even when correct, is very much incorrect when compared to old english! < 1385160301 321634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: there's someone from another channel who asks me for help with English from time to time < 1385160314 852155 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance < 1385160316 216343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's depressing that English is so complex and inconsistent, it makes it quite hard to work out what is right < 1385160324 938579 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that "pea" is terribly wrong < 1385160327 837305 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to be "right". < 1385160330 393691 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know where it comes from < 1385160337 508755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: exactly :-( < 1385160341 52290 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the definition. Where does English come from. < 1385160342 197468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah's program works in termbot! < 1385160343 427847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1385160344 985293 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is "what people use" < 1385160352 282992 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHOA) < 1385160356 737217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only irc is throttling it < 1385160359 934278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the nose in smiley thing is just me being pointlessly prescriptivist for no reason ;-) < 1385160366 629364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah++ < 1385160370 69420 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pea is from the latin "pisum' < 1385160371 159932 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're still annoying < 1385160379 661263 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do the "just kidding" thing < 1385160383 584061 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was rendered as "pease" in old english < 1385160385 514426 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1385160392 260187 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it ended in /s/ < 1385160396 514288 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People thought it was a plural < 1385160402 324711 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And decided that the singular was "pea" < 1385160406 422133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting down from 255 at IRC speed seems like a fitting use of #esoteric-blah < 1385160426 970127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, especially in assembly < 1385160427 730192 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385160434 456759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be much easier if we wrote it in c or pascal < 1385160440 464926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what are you using to convert the number to decimal? < 1385160442 719206 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news i just noticed that a multiplier is also a shifter. < 1385160454 291747 :fr0k!~fr0k@mhy71-2-88-167-60-194.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385160457 785388 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can see an engineer's ass crack. < 1385160463 527496 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not regular crack, unfortunately. < 1385160467 738160 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : first digit is n/100 < 1385160477 824462 :fr0k!~fr0k@mhy71-2-88-167-60-194.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385160477 982142 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second is (n/10)%10 < 1385160479 48886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I was wondering whether it was done manually < 1385160483 277211 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last is n%10 < 1385160487 615854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/num.nas is what I'd probably write < 1385160513 583489 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XORs :o < 1385160519 646425 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have tto investigate < 1385160564 796013 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what is x XOR x again < 1385160569 242389 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1385160570 250426 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it always 0? < 1385160570 458925 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero. < 1385160578 140588 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it there? < 1385160582 195113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor dx,dx is just a byte shorter than mov dx,0 < 1385160583 703200 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clears the register. < 1385160588 281530 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385160593 289303 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faster than mov? < 1385160595 486724 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to x86 i guess < 1385160608 474642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the same speed < 1385160620 328005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: me? ask Slereah < 1385160621 211584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I used to optimize for size, so ... < 1385160636 86761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I wasn just asking generally < 1385160639 645011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd already got my answer < 1385160648 504256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thanking Slereah for the answer < 1385160657 865274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xor-clear is still on the list of recommended idioms, IIRC. < 1385160667 253512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean in C or pascal? I wouldn't divide, I'd just call printf or write < 1385160675 597107 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compilers i still use xor clearing, anywho < 1385160704 302183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was asking what the #esoteric-blah program did, and I'd already got the answer < 1385160716 245082 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to a friend you can do a shorter version with AAM < 1385160717 578371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my statement was explaining that I was happy with the answer < 1385160724 973154 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, reducing code size saves memory bandwidth, code cache pressure, all that; and the CPUs are smart enough not to intruduce any artificial data dependencies in this case ('dx depends on the previous value of dx') < 1385160732 900889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385160752 164567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There was some scenario where it was still faster. < 1385160754 963151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: actually there's a better reasoning for why using xor dx,dx < 1385160757 130422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: its < 1385160780 806207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that the amd64 architecture optmization manual explicitly says that xor is the best way to clear the register < 1385160794 175968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to guess anything about artificial data dependencies or stuff < 1385160795 659692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since zero idioms [like XOR REG, REG] are detected by and removed by the renamer, they have no execution latency," says the Intel optimization manual. < 1385160801 349772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1385160809 828982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zeroing an sse register is similar < 1385160836 13787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XOR, SUB, PXOR/VPXOR, PSUBB/W/D/Q, VPSUBB/W/D/Q, XORPS/PD, VXORPS/PD is the full list. < 1385160842 125016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use one of these -- when possible." < 1385160895 217867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in that list, does xorps refer to both the sse and mmx insns? < 1385160915 573713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it says XMMREG only, so maybe not MMX. < 1385160931 69009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, ignore that < 1385160933 856233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about mmx < 1385160938 868564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obsolate and stupid < 1385160953 375823 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385160975 180402 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385160980 127013 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1385161004 587559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another random tidbit: while "CMP a, 0" and "TEST a, a" produce the same flags, the latter canbe macro-fused more often. < 1385161033 912341 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-130.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385161036 665472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember what TEST does < 1385161039 523834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? there's no way they produce the same flag < 1385161039 868163 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-130.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385161043 964977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it AND but don't write the result anywhere? < 1385161044 980011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Non-writing AND. < 1385161045 151950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AND but without writing the result < 1385161046 229792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385161052 317203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas CMP is subtraction that doesn't write the result < 1385161056 205779 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is what kmc means when he talks about writing compiler assembly being easy. < 1385161062 518373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "a - 0" and "a & a" are the same value. < 1385161077 20793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So they'll produce the same flags.) < 1385161079 339018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, and CMP a,0 clears the carry flag; test shouldn't. *goes to check memory* < 1385161084 24753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but TEST affects the eflags differently I think < 1385161091 607699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: something like that yes < 1385161112 646721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The OF and CF flags are set to 0." < 1385161113 608665 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, reading compiler assembly being hard, and writing assembly being easy. on x86. < 1385161114 925456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For TEST.) < 1385161124 233704 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a better solution for the digits is n/100, and AAM n < 1385161127 738617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm wrong. < 1385161148 451040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :confused that with inc/dec :) < 1385161170 544932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, TEST clears CF and AF, and leaves AF undefined < 1385161210 401968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas CMP a,0 would zero CF and AF and OF I Think < 1385161224 459531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's going to be testing AF. < 1385161233 32345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't TEST one byte shorter in first place, except maybe for rAX? < 1385161249 425445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a snippet above that used AF: cmp al, 10; sbb al, 69h; das < 1385161254 380084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one byte < 1385161261 904767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the CMP needs an immediate < 1385161275 868968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an extra byte unless it uses the special forms for AL or RAX < 1385161276 813913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no place for a 'test' in there :) < 1385161309 126754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OF would also be 0. Only AF makes a difference. < 1385161322 896495 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385161326 320654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed that flag is hardly ever important. < 1385161402 3047 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does JZ do? < 1385161408 788541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jump if Zero". < 1385161409 879310 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find 'jump if zero' < 1385161415 207969 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if what register is zero? < 1385161418 681221 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CX? < 1385161418 839012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jump if zero flag is set" < 1385161420 887946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the zero flag is set. < 1385161422 766924 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1385161427 74851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flag is set by the test instruction. < 1385161458 212659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good night now < 1385161465 430303 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1385161482 580461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Curiously enough, there is a special instruction for jumping if CX is zero -- JCXZ/JECXZ/JRCXZ.) < 1385161508 57333 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is set if an arithmetic result is zero, and reset otherwise." < 1385161509 179918 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1385161630 557171 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try rewriting a bit my program < 1385161720 576171 :evalj!~jeval@5402B1C6.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385161988 250502 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo < 1385161990 66444 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAM works < 1385162118 714063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385162139 420255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385162157 45170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1385162175 383578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385162420 763961 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my professor used an inconvenient distribution of opcodes and it fills me with rage < 1385162461 615571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just practice for x86, I think ;-) < 1385162495 888357 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I can print numbers < 1385162503 575789 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to see what the IP looks like! < 1385162506 706122 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can get at it < 1385162525 658387 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the IP 8 bits or 16 bits? < 1385162542 178559 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ops are addition, subtraction, increment, and bit parallel shit. you might think it would be convenient to divide one from the other but nooooo < 1385162542 612321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this IPv1? < 1385162548 894335 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385162550 545011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: 256 bytes of addressable code wouldn't be enough or most purposes :) < 1385162551 323936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, instruction pointer < 1385162551 481609 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's x86 < 1385162554 998955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not internet protocol < 1385162557 850241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for < 1385162567 583906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the 8086 CS is 16 bits and IP is 16 bits < 1385162574 852814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need both to work out which instruction is executing < 1385162581 296195 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess printing the last octet will be enough < 1385162585 858345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the formula is, IIRC, CS*16+IP < 1385162597 194720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's much less than 16 actual bits of data there < 1385162602 884600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're writing COM files where initially, CS=DS=ES=SS < 1385162607 862462 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to make sure that the next instruction is indeed that instruction < 1385162900 40638 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u694Agh6 < 1385162904 283550 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1385162912 779005 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 203, 210 and 217 < 1385162946 22540 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In between, there is always 3 instructions < 1385162954 5799 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why 7 < 1385162980 784576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 bytes, presumably. < 1385163002 528773 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why 7 bytes < 1385163003 554493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 byte pop, 3 bytes for each call < 1385163004 885696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"call test" is 3, "call printint" is another 3, and "pop dx" is 1, at a guess. < 1385163013 206586 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1385163015 599989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your disassembler should print the opcode bytes for you. < 1385163035 418619 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess call test is like < 1385163038 902031 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :push the address < 1385163044 300267 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump to test < 1385163051 790117 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... somethig something? < 1385163065 221411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much it. < 1385163078 29844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "push the address" is "push the address of the following instruction". < 1385163085 929263 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385163113 961790 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that the CPU has "push the address of the following instruction" as just one opcode? < 1385163132 34469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole call thing is one instruction < 1385163148 200276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 byte opcode + 2 bytes address) < 1385163171 793089 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, an address is 16 bytes < 1385163176 795490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the address is relative, so internally rather than "jump to test" it adds that offset to IP. < 1385163233 233683 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good to know that I can get IP < 1385163240 359107 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I am good at assembling < 1385163243 445146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a CISC architecture. There are amazingly complex instructions with compact encodings. < 1385163248 49175 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write the Worst Code < 1385163279 498032 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in assembly? the competition is fierce < 1385163310 959077 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html < 1385163318 212511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing bad assembly code has been automated :) < 1385163324 89507 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385163451 108051 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Put *that* in Pascal's pipe and smoke it." < 1385163458 126757 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to remember that expression < 1385163462 266015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: which assembler are you using now? < 1385163466 553306 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 < 1385163470 506462 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the dosbox < 1385163492 38392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I mean to translate the source code < 1385163507 878351 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1385163510 107981 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat assembler < 1385163520 515654 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it nasm? < 1385163525 718074 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1385163531 923961 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NASM was giving me lip < 1385163540 543669 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat assembler does the linking itself < 1385163555 803516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to do any linking for a .com file. < 1385163568 396389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NASM's "-f bin" is just fine for making those. < 1385163579 339175 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh too late < 1385163586 946801 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat assembler works fine now < 1385163621 131156 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this Mel fellow < 1385163705 186388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm -f bin is the default here. < 1385163710 775056 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first week of computin' school was all "Don't try to be smart, write maintanable code!" < 1385163715 656661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it's a weird feeling when the Story of Mel gets linked again and you see all the reactions from people who haven't seen it before < 1385163716 390999 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mel knows the real deal! < 1385163721 819870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the default everywhere, I was just being explicit. < 1385163728 274473 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: in assembler? < 1385163734 29081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Mel-like behaviour is still useful sometimes, but was more useful then < 1385163736 586732 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, in general < 1385163755 538138 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehhhhh, teach just described parameters in verilog modules as "like C #defines" < 1385163761 414721 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm afraid I'm not that much into computering unfortunately < 1385163761 766163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree in general, but it starts by ditching assembler except possibly for very small pieces of low-level code. < 1385163764 317166 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that right there is why i loathe this language < 1385163783 56750 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I did not hear of this Mel fellow < 1385163799 173337 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly know physics anecdotes! < 1385163825 185429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The important thing about assembly language is to know when not to use it.) < 1385163848 562928 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385163860 354283 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is certainly not a good idea to use it < 1385163865 109710 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But neither is Brainfuck < 1385163964 663032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust begs to differ < 1385163973 74384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game would be less fun in other languages, I feel < 1385163981 575352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's designed around how brainfuck works < 1385163990 983525 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is BF Joust < 1385163996 811517 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't been there in a while) < 1385164036 632577 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1385164048 810149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most awesome competitive esolang-based game ever < 1385164052 596682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that there's much competition) < 1385164066 416560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become something of a running pastime for this channel, now and again < 1385164075 266186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rimfall (>)*31 < 1385164079 588561 :convicinum!~sebastian@2-226-83-61.ip180.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1385164082 818881 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for int-e_rimfall: 0.0 < 1385164113 27704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what did you expect? < 1385164117 905635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dies almost as quickly as < < 1385164131 667536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I expected 0.0 :) < 1385164138 857052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1385164146 652892 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously we need more competitive crap. < 1385164149 858809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What competition is there except FYB? < 1385164163 281000 :convicinum!~sebastian@2-226-83-61.ip180.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1385164170 484782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust thirty (>)*29(+)*100(+.)*50000 < 1385164172 482207 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess dueling fungepointers has probably been thought of < 1385164172 966362 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_thirty: 0.0 < 1385164180 836660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's golf, I guess < 1385164214 507180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's vague rumours about "BeGlad" (Befunge Gladiators), which is reportedly built on Befunge-97 of all things. < 1385164229 65831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirty beats almost everything perfectly on tape length 30, except omnipotence (loses) and zeroer (win+draw) < 1385164268 627429 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the Rube language be perfect for game-things? < 1385164301 505454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1385164301 777968 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dasklickenklacker < 1385164304 114845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rubicon < 1385164307 351301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome too < 1385164319 90232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kevan.org/rubicon/ (requires JavaScript) < 1385164324 608571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Java < 1385164328 174485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I haven't rubiconned for ages < 1385164343 768356 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to continue thinking of the marathon mod and you can't stop me < 1385164346 412351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robozzle might almost-count. < 1385164390 955768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_curious (>)*8(>(+)*96(+.)*128)*21 < 1385164393 829012 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_just_curious: 5.9 < 1385164419 353761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there many loopless "serious" BF Joust programs? < 1385164449 378837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not many; there was a lock+full tape clear that someone else submitted that did decently < 1385164459 642007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get too much benefit from skipping blank cells < 1385164460 457928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: there are many good reasons to use assembly language... < 1385164487 392022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't situations most programmers encounter often, though < 1385164527 600515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even if you're not writing assembly, being able to READ it is incredibly useful < 1385164561 913656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for debugging or for seeing how your compiler is optimizing things < 1385164593 922189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compilers are smart so the solution is usually to change the code to help the compiler, not to rewrite it in assembly) < 1385164750 868334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the question "how would you optimize this program?" came up in comp.lang.c < 1385164757 641354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to beat both gcc -Os and clang -Os on size with my own asm < 1385164759 97171 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. xilinx tools detect finite state machines during optimization. i think something has gone very wrong here. < 1385164783 79229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1385164804 847513 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's naïve of me to think that analyers shouldn't have to infer things i meant in the original code < 1385164810 943776 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :analyzers < 1385164937 723041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I bet -Os is not the primary focus of the gcc developers :) < 1385164968 659247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it should be, it's often the fastest setting due to caching issues < 1385164981 386842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Besides, when do you stop making the code smaller? There's a lot of things one can do when speed is of no importance.) < 1385164982 700940 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385164997 689845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: finite state machines are a very common design pattern < 1385165162 939074 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 could use more general registers < 1385165168 745391 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385165169 664371 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is a bit short to work with well < 1385165178 429286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 7 < 1385165189 294350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :si, di, bp are also available < 1385165223 481573 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course, but it seems like it should be possible to just tell the tools "this is an FSM" instead of them having to analyze whatever encoding of an FSM you write and infer that that was an FSM before you encoded it < 1385165229 423642 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385165230 367464 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't they related to the stack and such? < 1385165231 261607 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1385165245 952573 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't I risk bothering the stack if I toy with them < 1385165267 700088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the entire practice of VHDL/Verilog appears to be deciding what you want, then writing it into VHDL/Verilog in such a way that the compiler will infer it back < 1385165269 103746 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what about ES FS and GS < 1385165274 867001 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I fuck with them < 1385165286 770462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: SI and DI are not related to the stack, they're used as postincrement operators by some commands < 1385165294 296732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tend not to be efficient unless you use them like pointers < 1385165297 798995 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, is it naive of me to think that that's fucking stupid, or am i missing something? < 1385165304 513148 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1385165313 669047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BP is related to the stack but it's mostly useful for debugging < 1385165332 933046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bp is used in some programming languages as a "frame pointer", but you don't have to worry about that in your small test programs. DOS doesn't care about bp. < 1385165337 532768 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, for god's sake, the actual FPGA is a bunch of LUTs and shit, and aren't there ALUs or adders or something at least < 1385165339 58480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interview question I like is "Explain how inlining could make code faster, or slower, or bigger, or smaller" < 1385165345 816092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I guess it saves the language needing to evolve to adopt whatever basic structures the FPGA manufacturers add to their FPGAs < 1385165353 545499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that I can't see any advantages < 1385165357 623082 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1385165368 804810 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there should be a better way. i'll think about it, and then never do it < 1385165369 389237 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need it to be 4 bits in my program to work < 1385165370 333982 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang < 1385165371 814117 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice. < 1385165374 712168 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll go with cl < 1385165384 389895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postdecrement too! < 1385165386 239818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an actual FPGA is mostly LUTs and RAM (and wires), sometimes it'll have a few fast multipliers on or something like that < 1385165393 932449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yes, one of the big improvements in x86-64 is adding 8 more general purpose regs < 1385165408 21663 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpga design seems super interesting really, i honestly like the idea of designing my own < 1385165408 264747 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you mean 8 bits, hopefully? < 1385165413 657143 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1385165414 161890 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-95.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385165414 548971 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1385165417 889975 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and putting an HDL on top of it <_> < 1385165420 247272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL is 8 bits < 1385165424 245524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any 4-bit registers < 1385165428 533550 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1385165437 304427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the bottom half of CX, which is 16 < 1385165441 968069 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I do mean 8 < 1385165453 788138 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should look at your charity thingie < 1385165470 853903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLL and CLH and CHL and CHH should clearly exist. < 1385165478 465468 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, was it charity < 1385165479 692634 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :verity? < 1385165483 88789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I'm not opposed to writing assembly code, but there should be a good reason :) < 1385165501 750203 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I do have a good reason < 1385165505 247271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, they don't :) < 1385165507 533277 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ferrets are nesting in my brain < 1385165510 51881 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's that hdlish thingie you work on. < 1385165533 980317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Verity, http://veritygos.org < 1385165542 646109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the person currently in charge of it does not fill me with confidence < 1385165545 787971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(learning how stuff works is among the possible good reasons, btw) < 1385165568 250030 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no? < 1385165572 885631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an email complaining that the compiler was emitting wires with no declarations, which is a reasonable complaint < 1385165594 294562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when I explain that it's generating incorrect code due to an error in the original program that it failed to notice (which is a bug) < 1385165604 494258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their solution is to add declarations and then complain it still doesn't work < 1385165620 842625 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't help but notice the "language" page is comparing to programming languages, not HDLs < 1385165664 830383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's pretty high level for an HDL, that's the entire point < 1385165675 373681 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrm < 1385165676 128341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's a dialect of Algol 60 < 1385165685 550861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't really say that nowadays without people laughing at you < 1385165718 648943 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i like algol. < 1385165734 139848 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELLA_(programming_language) it seems the standards for HDLs are not that high. < 1385165761 148891 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are a billion "C-like languages", why has god forsaken me < 1385165771 670890 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++ extended with HDL style threading and communication for task-parallel programming" < 1385165824 832764 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, I did an addition < 1385165875 322021 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try doing an iterative one < 1385166041 855160 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized. is this what it's like to be sgeo < 1385166161 575534 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you referring to? Am I associated with complaining about uncreative languages? < 1385166173 491555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Next you'll get involved in some virtual world stuff. < 1385166176 607073 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I associated with something else that is similar to what you said? < 1385166178 388281 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385166186 817039 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for 'the perfect HDL' < 1385166191 293359 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: god forbid. < 1385166201 586408 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :) < 1385166218 124481 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I writing smiley faces this is unircsgeolike < 1385166234 672967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your personalities are swapping < 1385166248 919528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Just you wait, you'll be converting your savings account to Linden-dollars any moment now. < 1385166260 265418 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1385166347 856968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs bike> .*:) < 1385166355 662116 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: unmatched parentheses \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9987 < 1385166361 699534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1385166362 338561 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so VGA controllers are CRT only right < 1385166366 883312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs bike> .*:[)] < 1385166378 832631 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... vga is i mean < 1385166407 666765 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16433 < 1385166411 205555 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, the Microsoft Windows splash screen, in versions prior to Windows Vista, appears while the machine is still operating in VGA mode, which is the reason that this screen always appears in reduced resolution and color depth." oh, that's neat. < 1385166450 587801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Bike isn't precisely a heavy :) user < 1385166543 218228 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay I did a square function < 1385166553 587629 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a sum < 1385166555 613795 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is like 50% haskell, 40% other people, 9% me being nice to newbies, and 1% me being a dick to elliott < 1385166557 260998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs int-e> .*:[)] < 1385166568 526754 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :percentages are not to scale < 1385166571 410017 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27098 < 1385166584 955447 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: say, you don't happen to have The Art of Computer Programming do ya < 1385166591 642085 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1385166595 336140 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be interesting to follow along, translating the code from MIX to x86 < 1385166596 814112 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have SICP < 1385166605 801324 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure I have any computer related book < 1385166609 47715 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for like < 1385166612 194610 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines and shit < 1385166637 923742 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, let's try a recursion maybe < 1385166641 529979 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some factorial < 1385166688 862296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now repeat after me, "My name is int-e and I am a :)holic" < 1385166729 514096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice 7 year hiatus. < 1385166760 531100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's just a trick to get me to use yet another smiley, isn't it? < 1385166814 338678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't even grep for semicolon-closing parenthesis, because I'm afraid the result will be even longer. < 1385166816 449680 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: are you a university student < 1385166850 606450 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, and I am once again! < 1385166854 145471 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn job market < 1385166912 899246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oops < 1385166914 574365 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, check the library, then < 1385166932 958546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the :A movement is not starting well < 1385166937 220291 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1385166973 297019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh no! Z: < 1385167040 903449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's like having the word for alcohol containing a phoneme that can only be produced by drinking it < 1385167073 410656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those poor airholics are also in trouble, i fear < 1385167154 311763 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385167168 342474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Taneb < 1385167170 370448 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Taneb ! < 1385167210 630829 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo < 1385167211 944755 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yoerjan < 1385167215 425795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that should be Tanellob < 1385167236 914831 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SCP-2000 contest is open < 1385167271 329767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP 2000 is a contest that you cannot escape. hth < 1385167273 480955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:whatdoyousayaboutallthosespaceholics? < 1385167312 437841 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, are they already planning on the third scp series? < 1385167367 279095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e : i don ' t see any problem < 1385167416 105566 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385167528 999931 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385167542 606703 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to make one memory space per recursion if I want to do a recursive thing < 1385167551 754419 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1385167568 414869 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will see about that tomorrow < 1385167570 632691 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack! < 1385167570 950552 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is my bedtime < 1385167575 550904 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Staaaack < 1385167591 978974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a recursive "call" just works < 1385167613 316883 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But call doesn't send arguments < 1385167613 732376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have to save registers with "push" and restore them with "pop" afterwards < 1385167619 150837 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I do need to stack shit < 1385167625 353932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :call preserves registers < 1385167640 582652 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like in the doodoo olympics < 1385167642 686443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use those for arguments, no trouble. < 1385167673 808703 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's a factorial < 1385167688 754467 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has to be a whole bunch of calls! < 1385167694 707554 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess n-1 < 1385167702 482094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it always a factorial? < 1385167724 148541 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the factorial is an old and time tested recursive function! < 1385167735 194249 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also do Fibonacci, but Fibo needs two conditions < 1385167737 691296 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are way better implementations though. < 1385167752 120831 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of which involve far more fun things than recursion. < 1385167760 987128 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do tak or ackermann < 1385167779 378939 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385167847 907210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure ackermann with bounded size ints has quite the intended effect. < 1385167999 254254 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm limited to 255 < 1385168001 138813 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what everrrr < 1385168002 846384 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ackerman is a bad idea < 1385168021 347995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. "09:27:05 I'll remember that, GregorR-W." -- I completely forgot. < 1385168038 832780 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385168042 559511 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial will fail too after, what, 14? < 1385168064 38568 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1385168135 636430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/remembering < 1385168148 278716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh and that was in july 2005.) < 1385168150 539249 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :12, on 32 bits < 1385168190 819038 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 16 bits it goes up to 8. imo whoopdie fucking do < 1385168202 832721 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385168206 846884 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385168213 465207 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot has changed since July 2005. < 1385168221 909859 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I no longer specify my read/write status. < 1385168224 139103 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385168254 533386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that. < 1385168284 599619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Also. Good night. < 1385168313 699072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385168402 490114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon < 1385168632 730697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is the Sonivox soundfont even sold anymore? < 1385169679 131305 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: A quick look would appear to suggest "no" < 1385169718 279491 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385169757 873096 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385170479 306112 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385170623 713467 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385170929 855870 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385171171 498670 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385171394 366204 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385171472 239131 :sergio2!~canaima@190.78.26.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385171719 859786 :sergio2!~canaima@190.78.26.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385171866 148439 :sergio1!~canaima@190.78.26.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385172100 307898 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385172227 543739 :sergio1!~canaima@190.78.26.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385173639 354489 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385173850 419642 :typeclassy!~user@ool-43512675.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385174583 393403 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385175002 183729 :typeclassy!~user@ool-43512675.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385176233 345202 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385176507 917629 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385177123 59324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1385177242 435957 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385179126 654134 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385179609 733805 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385181520 932806 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385183342 470459 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385183353 608453 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385184462 341802 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385184549 842671 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385185460 397421 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385185792 12017 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to write the kronecker delta as a non-piecewise composition of principal branches of elementary functions? < 1385185832 846760 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, can you get a non-function out of function composition? < 1385185903 892917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kronecker delta is a function < 1385185906 453127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :think man think < 1385185932 392212 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was thinking dirac :V < 1385185950 898204 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what "principal branches" are, but perhaps 0^((x-y)^2) is a definition? < 1385185965 101027 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just take a hump function and compose it with itself infinitely many times < 1385186057 994709 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I didn't find a Wikipedia article about "hump function" < 1385186072 192964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 0^0 is indeterminate < 1385186102 787448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0 is 1. < 1385186117 322329 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a function with a hump at the origin (f(0) = 1) that decays to zero at infinities < 1385186132 70891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: according to python it is zero < 1385186149 185970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is xor in Python. < 1385186150 253598 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think that is wrong then; 0^0=1 clearly (to me at least). < 1385186151 692028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :** is exponentiation. < 1385186165 50577 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385186166 300921 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, then in Python you need 0**0; what does it make? < 1385186167 702529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad < 1385186172 715160 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make anything? < 1385186173 994329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that'll work :D < 1385186175 744048 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385186185 527119 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grumbles
< 1385186231 555800 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Then with such function unless f(1) = 1 also, then composing infinite numbers of times becomes an unknown response? < 1385186237 411167 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1385186237 569039 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why 0^0 is 1, since lim_{x->0+} 0^x is 0... < 1385186237 569193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9h 36m 19s ago: you are the weirdest. < 1385186242 508717 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it would be zero, i don't know what i was thinking. < 1385186297 926462 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it is unclear the intended context (if any) of boily's message. < 1385186301 320627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0 is the number of functions from the empty set to itself. < 1385186408 633639 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm thinking of the limit of successively steeper functions, like you do for dirac < 1385186411 166448 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, there is that, and several other reasons too, why zero to power of zero should make one. < 1385186428 860453 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's one function from empty to empty but zero from {empty} to empty? < 1385186440 706270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385186465 712667 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank god math makes intuitive sense. < 1385186490 611366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell if that was meant seriously or the opposite of seriously < 1385187003 142575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a function from {{}} to {} is a set of pairs (x,y) where x is in {{}} and y is in {}, such that for every x in {{}} there is y such that (x,y) is in the function < 1385187010 643780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also no duplicates) < 1385187015 958971 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i already got this explained < 1385187021 623225 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks anyway < 1385187030 909254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function from {} to {} is a set of pairs (x,y) where x is in {} and y is in {} (no such pair exists, of course), such that for every x in {} -- and then you're done because vacuous < 1385187035 692447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :P < 1385187052 615580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically with a function from the empty set, you trivially satisfy the requirement of covering all values in your domain. < 1385187055 126363 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :set theory is so tedious < 1385187062 352762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the singleton set, you have to have at least one element of the codomain. < 1385187073 621313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier in type theory!! < 1385187077 324873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arguably?) < 1385187103 2368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even easier in i'm asleep theory < 1385187176 294634 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does infinite composition of logarithms give you < 1385187286 33658 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gallavanting about the plane. < 1385188540 388480 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385190412 868205 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I noticed you were writing stuff about FPGA and HDL; if you are able to design your own and make the actual one, then if it is open-source (or at least open-specification enough to know exactly how all the timing, connection, etc works, and the bitstream format) then I would buy it. < 1385190432 604486 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have four thousand friends who would also buy it, though < 1385190452 527445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike gets down to brass tacks < 1385190470 728200 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there may be a lot of HDL because a lot of people don't like the existing ones (including me), but I don't think there is the "perfect HDL". I designed HWPL to do the kind of things I think is good idea, but not necessarily everyone in agreement. < 1385190489 740465 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't that many HDL, really < 1385190506 840291 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, but you can find a lot of messages on various forums and stuff in internet, it seem like about four thousand might be interested < 1385190523 711231 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then more people would learn and might use it too < 1385190525 621285 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll keep that in mind for the kickstarter. < 1385190560 630238 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few days ago i found out some neuro people i like sell an FPGA board (with just a boring lockedout FPGA but) for brainstuff, which is cool < 1385190566 4716 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly needs more neuromorphism imo < 1385190640 54735 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there are several advantages to a open-source FPGA (even if the company that makes the FPGA sells no open-source design software for it) < 1385190673 418394 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't know what most people who buy fpgas actually use them for < 1385190687 241383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a niche in education, and then prototyping? < 1385190729 736641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of finished products use them too < 1385190732 645629 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know either, but yes those may be some uses; there are several others too. < 1385190781 837985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're planning to sell fewer than n thousand units, it's cheaper to ship programmed FPGAs than to design and fab your own chip < 1385190793 448385 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. < 1385190803 579776 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how much open hardware would help there < 1385190811 61824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also then you can field-upgrade the "hardware" which is nice < 1385190812 718865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsa.unaligned.org/ is a really cool project repurposing a bunch of HD video transform boards with FPGAs on them < 1385190823 482524 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, with open-source FPGAs, many more uses would be enabled, such as reconfigurable computing, more accurate designs, and if you are making an ASIC it is guaranteed not to be slower than the FPGA. < 1385190840 540784 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :240 W :o < 1385190868 487769 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really wish i knew more electrics < 1385190913 409804 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, good point about reconfiguring < 1385190964 230904 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta grab information and opportunities in the subfield of electrobrains where i can, i guess < 1385191152 566442 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like various things about Verilog, VHDL, and other HDLs that I also decided to make up a new one; what features are you looking for in a HDL anyways? One thing I like to have is a lot of macros. < 1385191299 976678 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like good macros, good parametrized modules, and some sort of way to annotate things like FSMs for optimization < 1385191367 688755 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you want to annotate things like FSMs for optimization? Maybe it might help a bit, if you can specify some examples of how this would work. < 1385191403 43451 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure. i'd like the macros and modules to be involved enough that i could write out a state transition diagram, really < 1385191441 81951 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the point in compiling things "down" to gates if the toolset's just going to analyze it as an fsm anyway < 1385191485 235320 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the macros and parametrized modules in HWPL (my design) good enough for this? If not, I would like to improve it if it help! (HWPL does have the MODELS keyword, which can be used for optimization, but I don't know if this is sufficient for the purpose you are describing.) < 1385191580 963804 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like an example of what you mean, though, if you can do that. < 1385191708 70004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, do you know how a serial adder works? < 1385191751 641010 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes I looked up in Wikipedia, and yes I found it is something I am familiar with. < 1385191811 362120 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easily conceptualized as an FSM. you have four states, one for each combination of outputs, and each clock you transition to another state based on the inputs < 1385191860 657436 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, I understand. < 1385191880 563401 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in verilog you could write this as an always block on the clock edge, where the logic is a very tedious case on the state and the inputs < 1385191953 289943 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you write it out the synthesizer is going to compile it into whatever IR and /then/ analyze it to be an FSM < 1385192191 280480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Microsoft: It's fairly obvious that your process for generating the IE compatibility mode list involves monkeys at typewriters. Please stop. Love, Sgeo. < 1385192335 990200 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A serial adder only has one bit of state being the carry flag though, isn't it? < 1385192869 152507 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to keep the sum out stable through the clock < 1385193053 229759 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the carry is the only one you need to worry about between transitions < 1385193275 477149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's a distinction between state of the FSM and state of the circuit. < 1385193735 529336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What explains this behavior: As long as Chrome (ium) is loading any page, even in another tab, it doesn't show title text when hovering the cursor over something. < 1385193967 299373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the hover thingy an OS-level GUI element? < 1385193997 330128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because there's a single compositor thread in charge of all talking to the OS graphics system, and it's busy doing something else? < 1385194096 654216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should find out whether servo has the same limitation, first you'll have to contribute code to show title text, also to have tabs < 1385194150 296035 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385195189 767343 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i've onwdered about that too < 1385195255 886579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Chrome actually serializes OpenGL calls and sends them to a single process < 1385195271 804143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will probably have to do something like that eventually, for WebGL < 1385195292 114499 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385195297 180923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for now our approach is, separate GL context for each thread/process, sending textures between them using OS-level features for doing so (the same ones compositing WMs use) < 1385195309 561925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. sending GLXPixmaps on Linux < 1385195309 730849 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385195314 410512 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1385195511 168419 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385195636 258541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm, I don't know. < 1385196791 911951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that assessment of Chrome doing all GL stuff in a single process is correct, because on my system it used to go all "GPU thread has crashed" and disable hardware acceleration whenever I tried to go to a WebGL page. < 1385196800 302269 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385197188 855390 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385198588 315476 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385199521 157638 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think a serial adder in HWPL might be something like: TRIGGER .CLOCK SET {.OUT,.CARRY} TO MUX({.CARRY,.X,.Y},$96,$E8); and something like that may be usable in other hardware programming languages too; would that work? < 1385199913 133494 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it looks like a direct implementation of the state machine as well as being directly translatable to FPGA muxes. < 1385200824 727155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385201307 482303 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385201479 902084 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385202707 965767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was never able to get webgl to work properly in chromium < 1385202727 805962 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tends to just stop working for no reason < 1385202731 123629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :While in Firefox it just works < 1385202806 514458 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.194.141 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385203975 250822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It used to work with my old graphics card, then it stopped working when I upgraded hardware, then it again started to work after upgrading the browser. (Though this last is a bit tentative, I haven't used it much.) < 1385204123 571851 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-95.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385204500 642705 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I be trying to do the factorial recursively < 1385204501 565849 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1385204506 469539 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to stop at 0 < 1385204514 579376 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What might the dealio be < 1385204545 336742 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program being http://pastebin.com/e5bNNSf1 < 1385204561 803689 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1385204565 639232 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know now < 1385204571 312962 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jump isn't well placed < 1385204577 369500 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVERMIND < 1385204956 375678 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial: pop ax, pop ax, dec cx, jcxz zero, mul cl, push ax, call factorial, zero: jmp prog < 1385204958 300816 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1385204966 563110 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do a version with a jump instead of a call < 1385204975 24280 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will avoid me the double popping < 1385205329 942384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically you'd access any parameters on stack with something like mov ax, [sp+2] instead of popping off the return address. < 1385205396 751483 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that fill the stack if I don't pop it in this case? < 1385205429 979131 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can adjust sp manually without popping, like 'add esp, 8' < 1385205434 607687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally the caller pops the arguments off the stack after the call. < 1385205453 724444 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but because of reasons I had to drop it < 1385205460 476434 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's a jump now: < 1385205461 296858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: sp, in this case. < 1385205461 649957 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial: pop ax < 1385205461 807671 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dec cx < 1385205461 807844 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jcxz zero < 1385205461 807947 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mul cl < 1385205461 808051 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : push ax < 1385205462 325693 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jmp factorial < 1385205462 483463 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zero: jmp prog < 1385205476 243462 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right, sp. < 1385205491 293957 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1385205497 585025 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have jmp prog < 1385205504 498117 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do directly jcxz prog < 1385205504 655711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a function call any more if you never ret. < 1385205526 718243 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial: pop ax < 1385205526 876265 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some reason ax gets pushed, and then like, popped right back off? < 1385205526 876439 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dec cx < 1385205526 876578 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jcxz prog < 1385205526 876683 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mul cl < 1385205526 876784 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : push ax < 1385205527 283853 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jmp factorial < 1385205529 132002 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better < 1385205538 433326 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To keep the result? < 1385205547 823796 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically if I do 5! < 1385205550 720915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't pushing and then popping a no-op...? < 1385205557 475542 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I put 5 in cx < 1385205565 504105 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I push it < 1385205569 860798 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I jump to the function < 1385205580 32708 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pops the stack to ax < 1385205583 650263 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrements cx < 1385205590 300813 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ax = 5, cx = 4 < 1385205594 13623 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And multiplies them < 1385205604 619453 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sends the result to the stack < 1385205613 580058 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ax = 20, cx = 3 < 1385205637 646685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a recursive function as written. And the use of stack is indeed unnecessary. < 1385205642 650524 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I don't need it if ax stays the same < 1385205696 38830 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial: dec cx < 1385205696 234623 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jcxz prog < 1385205696 234798 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mul cl < 1385205696 234900 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jmp factorial < 1385205697 938993 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better < 1385205711 951452 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is more of a loop yeah < 1385205764 279549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not a function; you can't call it from two places, because it always returns to the same place. < 1385205772 264741 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385205796 242293 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried doing it as a function, but < 1385205813 717982 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did jcxz zero < 1385205815 702435 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero : ret < 1385205823 30239 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that didn't seem to work < 1385205833 530645 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the ret didn't returl to the proper place? < 1385205858 538937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you popped the return address off, no wonder. < 1385205895 832216 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I did when that was there < 1385205899 947773 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's try redoing it < 1385205912 592972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind calling conventions, you can just pass parameters (and return values) in registers, in which case it's very simple. < 1385205941 611323 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial: dec cx < 1385205941 769072 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jcxz zero < 1385205941 769221 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mul cl < 1385205941 926946 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jmp factorial < 1385205941 927117 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zero: ret < 1385205943 960361 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work! < 1385205976 61191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be more generic if you had the proper initialization of al (to 1) inside the function. < 1385205996 20622 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :al is actually initialized at cl < 1385206018 108197 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385206023 848706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess that works too, since you decrement before the first multiplication. < 1385206027 305780 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need one more label if I want to do the initialization < 1385206041 720044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use a label local to the function for the loop, if you like. < 1385206073 736227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With syntax depending on assembler, but starting with a period is common.) < 1385206130 245775 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial: mov ax, cx < 1385206130 606583 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : doshit: dec cx < 1385206130 764635 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jcxz zero < 1385206130 764900 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mul cl < 1385206130 765004 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jmp doshit < 1385206130 765108 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zero: ret < 1385206132 462532 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we ho < 1385206133 707219 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1385206248 714282 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the recursive version look like? < 1385206405 2333 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385206421 191828 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess at each passage in the loop, it would push the stack with the address < 1385206425 293115 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And go back to that point < 1385206458 729944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In half-pseudo, possibly something like factorial: if ax == 0 { mov ax, 1; ret } else { push ax; sub ax, 1; call factorial; pop cx; multiply ax by cx; ret } < 1385206517 556430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the "direct" translation of factorial(a) { return factorial(a-1) * a; } < 1385206545 529940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the convention of passing the input argument in ax, and the return value in ax too.) < 1385206562 961760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, the latter is missing the termination condition, but anyway. < 1385206579 374156 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :facrec: mov ax, cx < 1385206579 747829 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dec cx < 1385206579 905705 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jcxz zerec < 1385206579 905876 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : call facrec < 1385206579 905979 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mul cx < 1385206579 906083 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zerec: ret < 1385206583 705975 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try something like this < 1385206650 398711 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, 0 < 1385206655 655378 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1385206671 690498 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385206685 322616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you decrement cx all the way to 0, and then return from the deepest "call facrec" right into the mul cx. < 1385206698 77129 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1385206707 392878 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's 0 I need to return cx = 1 < 1385206759 296369 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no work, damn < 1385206774 534152 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1385206785 946681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All your "mul cx"s will use the same cx value. < 1385206801 71781 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If cx = 2, then ax = 2 < 1385206819 662191 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once decremented, cx = 1, ax = 2 < 1385206855 477221 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, it totally forgets the value of 2 on the second call < 1385206860 206716 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to stack < 1385206869 738781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can expand the control flow out what it executes: {mov ax, cx; dec cx;}*n, then {mul cx}*n. < 1385206992 606605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do the recursive-with-an-accumulator variant -- factorial(x, acc) { if (x == 1) return acc; else return factorial(x-1, acc*x); } -- without using any stack except for the call/ret. (And then convert that to a tail call, after which you've ended back in the original solution.) < 1385207094 83950 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good ASM debugger? < 1385207145 787602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :debug.com would be in keeping with your DOSBox style, but it might not fit the attribute "good" that well. < 1385207164 184278 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "functional" < 1385207221 934459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a gdb stub built in DOSbox, if I remember right, but gdb can be p. iffy for 16-bit code, and I don't have any idea how easy that would be to get going on Windows. Of course the old 16-bit programming environments (Turbo C and such) come with debuggers too. < 1385207587 976972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385207705 538945 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man dosbox is so slow < 1385208715 814405 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl f12 a bit? < 1385208810 501609 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now is time for food buying, actually < 1385209217 358414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's infuriating < 1385209242 909757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you've downloaded 0.2% of a torrent and you're already uploading twice as fast as you're downloading < 1385209651 8984 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha http://i.imgur.com/0vRuu.png < 1385209794 485059 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385209944 950687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want to leave out the general complex case < 1385210019 110805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385210068 343439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+the+planck+length < 1385210120 151721 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am missing beardseconds as unit < 1385210243 405847 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: amazing < 1385210347 663474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Comparison as length: ≈ 0.2 x length of a putative string in M-theory" < 1385210647 502323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think string theory had fixed length strings < 1385210671 934038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose some might < 1385210903 696641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they use strncpy with them then aha ah ha. Haa. < 1385211057 33189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ _ _ _ _ _ < 1385211057 190804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : _| || |_ _| || |_ _| || |_ < 1385211057 190966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : _____ _____ _____ _____ _____|_ .. _|_ .. _|_ .. _| < 1385211057 191128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_ _|_ _|_ _| |_||_| |_||_| |_||_| < 1385211069 689141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385211115 860335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasting ascii art doesn't mix well with irssi's line joining. < 1385211155 525833 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasting ascii art rarely mixes well with irc < 1385211177 59394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NONSENSE < 1385212024 555462 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385212148 103311 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning. how are the rabbits < 1385212184 46584 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE RABBITS < 1385212445 808705 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : __ __ ___ ___ ___ ___ < 1385212446 3011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :| |_| | | \/ | | \/ | < 1385212446 3106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :| _ | | \ / | | \ / | __ __ __ < 1385212446 3149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :|__| |__| |___\/___| |___\/___| |__| |__| |__| < 1385212530 448207 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, who gave oerjan the really big swatter? < 1385212532 491850 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared. < 1385212604 639597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what that was < 1385214236 824778 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.42 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1385214275 874184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just used a temporary magnification ray. < 1385214391 753351 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And back < 1385214395 909473 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to cook de meat < 1385214564 777269 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385214603 351461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't understand why 0^0 is 1, since lim_{x->0+} 0^x is 0... <-- switch 0 and x in that... x^y does not have a limit at (0,0) and you can get several values by approaching along different paths. < 1385214698 393456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so limits are useless for choosing a value. < 1385214963 594953 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0 is undefined < 1385214971 930704 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is set at 1 by convention < 1385215119 599877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385215187 724503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, well no, it's just that 0^0 doesn't have a single 'nice' extension of the exponential function < 1385215222 131753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to break useful properties, most importantly continuity, no matter how you define it < 1385215300 405606 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, hence why it is not defined from the definition of the exponential! < 1385215301 86450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normally taken to be 1 because that still preserves things like the number of functions from {} to {} < 1385215320 291575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, well neither is x^y for x and y not positive integers < 1385215337 208864 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, it is! < 1385215348 186005 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^y = e^(y ln(x)) < 1385215378 533355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but originally it was 'x multiplied by itself y times' < 1385215387 892533 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, back in the 16th century < 1385215438 649479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'well what if y is negative' 'make it reciprocal, that preserves the additivity' < 1385215464 385282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Charlie Stross @cstross: This morning got email from a “technical sourcer” at Google, wondering if I wanted a job interview. Told ’em to look me up on wikipedia …' < 1385215472 251940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is safe < 1385215479 699191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'what if y is fractional' 'well make it a root, that preserves multiplicity' < 1385215486 764504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1385215515 164950 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if y is transcendant? :o < 1385215538 992453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you set it to the limit, because obviously you want continuity < 1385215563 451566 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if y is a matrix < 1385215622 645811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fortunately, by that point, 0^0 is already 1 :-) < 1385215657 907180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not, because you really want continuity from R^2 -> R < 1385215673 41590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: then it better be diagonalizable, and we can then apply ^y to each diagonal entry. < 1385215684 831845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't. < 1385215725 928419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy with the state of affairs where that only works for positive x :) < 1385215736 22596 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the exponential definition it is much easier~ < 1385215750 887483 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^M = 1 + M + MM/2 + ... < 1385215759 352187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: 2^2 = exp(ln(2)*2)? good luck ;-) < 1385215761 903695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to define, not so easy to calculate < 1385215772 984094 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e : Yep < 1385215778 44910 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty easy! < 1385215786 975930 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln(1+2) = 1 + x + x² + ... < 1385215796 896281 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+x* < 1385215809 665910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure that expansion doesn't actually work for x outside of a certain range < 1385215824 675420 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will work for ln(2) < 1385215831 559450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no. < 1385215831 759267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LogTay.svg < 1385215856 380155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it's ln(1+x) = x - x^2/2 + x^3/3 - x^4/4 + - ... < 1385215863 233284 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1385215867 303341 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it off hand < 1385215877 568727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: well I wasn't the one who claimed this was the easy way :-P < 1385215881 2082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does actually work for ln(2), just < 1385215911 556007 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it basically works for C* < 1385215932 100651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now you're talking about holomorphic functions < 1385215941 711486 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are the holomorphest < 1385215966 521767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work very well for C* because you can't pick a canonical choice of root < 1385216014 680809 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But well < 1385216016 311230 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1385216028 774969 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^y is pretty much defined for most things with it < 1385216040 477190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you exclude ln(1) = 2pi*i ... if you go via the complex numbers? < 1385216059 608010 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean ln(-1) < 1385216062 839885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1385216069 915520 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln(1) = 0 < 1385216072 554364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385216077 179090 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1385216079 339075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(2pi*i) = 1. < 1385216082 28187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln(1) = 2npi*i < 1385216088 432254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all integers n < 1385216106 268857 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not. < 1385216111 114883 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ln is a function < 1385216116 141164 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can only have one image < 1385216142 362099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: from the positive reals to reals, yes. fine. we never argued about x^y for y>0 anyway. < 1385216150 314707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or x>0, sorry. < 1385216155 405852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the choice of branch cuts you use to obtain that unique image is as arbitrary as 0^0=1 < 1385216174 183035 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can define it with a parameter, I guess < 1385216185 669588 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln(1,n) = 2npi*i < 1385216243 283159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1385216261 105643 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1385216292 695131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that if you want ln() to be continuous, and ln(1) = 0, then by taking the logarith of ln(e^(ix)) for x=0 to 2pi, you end up with ln(1) = 2pi*i. < 1385216481 506096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Use the Riemann surface < 1385216707 840976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the principal branch of ln() that people usually use is discontinuous for negative reals) < 1385217153 726395 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385218568 725786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing I saw in Akihabara was an adapter which accepts an IEC 60320-C13 (i.e. computer power supply) cable and provides a universal AC outlet (NEMA 5-15 / BS 1363 / Europlug + various grounds) < 1385218590 865565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the use case for that adapter is, but it's an interesting one < 1385219112 201413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I found in my closet was a cable where the other end was an IEC 60320-C13 female, while the right end was the ungrounded europlug. < 1385219128 632916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where that came from, and what the grounding pin of the power-supply-connector side is connected to. < 1385219131 635292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably nothing. < 1385219201 649244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, I mean, ground, right? Who needs that sort of stuff.) < 1385219315 963285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not japan, that's for sure < 1385219356 181084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for certain large appliances, which have a separate grounding wire that screws to a thingy) < 1385219830 80142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, things are made of plastic now, and we have GFCIs, and yolo < 1385219843 407202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why some thinkpad bricks have ground lines and not others < 1385220003 333836 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1385220079 437577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think "C13 female" is redundant; the inlet is called C14) < 1385220107 618486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but this is 100% from reading wikipedia just now to sound knowledgable, as is my custom) < 1385220383 448425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell is a torrent stalled at 99.9% < 1385221324 633787 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385221377 250120 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i was amused to learn that stross used to work for SCO < 1385222265 704072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed it by turning it off and then on again < 1385223815 705164 :evalj!~jeval@BC064E87.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385224169 921811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Since you're thereabouts, how about popping down to Kyoto and checking it out? We was thinking of visiting next summer. < 1385224286 425316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm flying home tomorrow but I was in Kyoto the other day < 1385224302 681709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a bunch of temples and shrines and such < 1385224305 517803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're into that < 1385224383 716213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool castle < 1385224409 343617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a short train ride from Nara and from Osaka, both of which are also worthwhile < 1385224461 429590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've visited some kind of Japanese-garden-style of a place pretty much everywhere else we've ever been (when possible), thought it might make sense to go straight to the source, so to speak. < 1385224512 630110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385224513 591395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my itinerary for this trip was Suwon, Seoul, Osaka, Nara, Kyoto, Hiroshima, Itsukushima aka Miyajima, Tokyo < 1385224593 682720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all were fantastic :) < 1385224618 25679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Nara i just kinda showed up at the train station and wandered around, but that doesn't work in Kyoto, the cool stuff is too spread out < 1385224634 100358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have planned more in advance < 1385224749 516250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We tend to have our trips planned in advance down to the very last detail, though not exactly by my choice. (Admittedly there's a slightly lower risk of "what, I was like right next to this cool thing and didn't even realize", afterwards.) < 1385224755 414111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, ok, I'm not sure Suwon was "fantastic"; I was mostly there for work although there was half a day's worth of stuff to see at least) < 1385224773 99222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah when i travel alone i tend to plan just in time < 1385224783 566134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look on wikivoyage the night before i go out in some city < 1385224805 387011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this trip I spent a lot of time looking for free wifi because I wanted to talk to my friends because i was lonely :/ < 1385224817 667804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a small window in which the time zones coöperate < 1385224882 501572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... seven hours ahead of Finland, I think. < 1385225102 860050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of Finland, http://i.imgur.com/zfsNaUl.jpg < 1385225132 753421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Finland-themed Japanese fabric softener < 1385225136 222298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had Russia-themed as well < 1385225213 61039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the flag, but nothing else in that picture is exactly screaming "Finnish!" at me. < 1385225467 766916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skip & Hop! < 1385226038 515144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this business of coin lockers at train stations &c is fantastically convenient < 1385226054 521152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they exist lots of places but mostly not the US or the UK, because terrorism < 1385226261 580088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to sleep now < 1385226264 925681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night! < 1385226445 401150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't exist in the UK? that's crazy < 1385226462 440721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have wrong information < 1385226487 753072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the train stations got rid of coin lockers and trash cans both, thanks to the IRA < 1385226494 448408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have to get on a train to throw something away < 1385226545 274152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some banks don't have a user-accessible trashcan here < 1385226558 322040 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels it's convenient that east asia and the UK are both eight hours away from his time zone.
< 1385226571 825074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there people can just use a nearby trashcan in the street < 1385226618 501539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no trashcan in a railway station would be downright stupid, it would just lead to excessive littering < 1385227608 482444 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385228317 441730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: home < 1385228813 854692 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385229126 534743 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385229415 684309 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385229789 692725 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385230242 960328 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1385230265 758717 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you guys talking about the lovely idea of removing public trash cans in order to prevent littering? < 1385230299 505768 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even worse < 1385230303 597673 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paying public toilets < 1385230306 362689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine to whom this sounds as a good idea but I'm no psychology genius. < 1385230308 799821 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do with that < 1385230315 93895 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you don't have some coins < 1385230330 631079 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's illegal to shit in the street < 1385230337 681752 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda the standard in switzerland @pay toilets < 1385230341 648771 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS A FLAW IN THE SYSTEM < 1385230345 162103 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're a real men < 1385230359 46375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*man < 1385230371 473894 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Swiss always have money on them though < 1385230389 754937 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1385230396 535026 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean you have the right coin available < 1385230397 346981 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385230404 368024 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't take 10 CHF Bills . < 1385230433 737922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131123-smoking.png I'm sure there's some good, entirely logical reason why it's like this. < 1385230481 565245 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what do each character mean in both languages < 1385230848 551055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'forbidden' and 'smoke' < 1385230850 906330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both < 1385230858 795596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chinese one is presumably wrong < 1385230915 469460 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative translations for the chinese include "no smoking" < 1385230931 773277 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is so delicious because it is forbidden < 1385231175 67694 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cs.wellesley.edu/~cs342/handouts/more-assembly.pdf < 1385231176 296909 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy < 1385231178 123249 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one < 1385231179 765131 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1385231181 520476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "rfk86" account at zem.fi just got the following email: "Johnny Clunker was an awkward and shy kid who kept mostly to himself. But when the school day ended he became Johnny B. Fast, a super spy Utilizing super technology so advanced that it seems like magic, Johnny and his friends battle the United Order, a ruthless organization trying to acquire the Super Chip - a computer processor so ... < 1385231187 533372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... powerful it can virtually hold the world's technology hostage. But when one of his fellow classmates, Nancy Korrins, is also revealed to be a spy kid who was trained by the world's most deadly and advanced agent, Johnny has his hands full trying to figure out if he can trust her to help him capture the Super Chip, or if he has to fight her as his greatest rival." < 1385231263 373384 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385231310 858502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you running on a Super Chip? < 1385231311 54787 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: great work lonely island afterall. but you dont post shit like that < 1385231768 714945 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the instruction pointer refer to, exactly? < 1385231774 458230 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a memory space in the ram? < 1385231786 851285 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if so, how do you deal with big programs on the hard drive < 1385231793 735852 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you transfer it little by little? < 1385231822 454339 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does that imply restrictions on programs < 1385231852 232378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite rarely do you load code on-demand. Program code doesn't tend to be as large as data. < 1385231866 352837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some DOS programs did use "overlays", including (IIRC) NetHack, though. < 1385231878 918167 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I'm talking theoretically < 1385231916 510185 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you have a 10 GB program < 1385231919 378927 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pretty big!) < 1385231955 250831 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean that you could not do jumps from one end to the other < 1385231965 765832 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least not without complications < 1385231985 142268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you want answers related to actual systems or what, if it's supposed to be entirely theoretical. < 1385231989 261584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IP refers to a memory address. That address may be mapped to RAM by the OS, or absent; if it's absent, then the OS gets notified and gets a chance to load the code from disk, for example. < 1385232002 826920 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1385232022 24699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That doesn't sound like a theoretical answer. < 1385232022 192334 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it goes to the RAM directly in the absence of an OS < 1385232033 126030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, in x86-32, you can't fit 10 gigabytes in the address space. < 1385232034 671768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really don't have to worry about it unless you write an operating system, or there is no OS to speak of (as was the case under DOS, hence the Overlays that fizzie mentioned.) < 1385232038 171150 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it wasn't < 1385232051 805946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in x86-16, even less so.) < 1385232062 854941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I yet have to see a program with 10 GB of code :) < 1385232064 878192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So indeed a ten-gigabyte program would involve complications. < 1385232078 58885 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a pretty sweet program man < 1385232099 80061 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could program the universe < 1385232120 749989 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385232141 272095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still load code at runtime if you absolutely have to. (The necessary technology is present in just-in-time compilers, albeit for a different purpose) < 1385232144 870561 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This afternoon I had my first session of D&D < 1385232157 482134 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you a wizard < 1385232159 172183 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a < 1385232161 767167 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer wizard < 1385232164 893645 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a cleric < 1385232175 798888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you heal any undead? < 1385232177 135177 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a wizard/rogue in the party, though < 1385232179 269959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer cleric? < 1385232187 924499 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I had the opportunity, I cannot recall if I did or not < 1385232194 464096 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman is a computer cleric < 1385232277 885937 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lemonodor.com/images/sicp-lecture-wizard-s.jpg < 1385232284 380087 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sussman is a computer wizard, though < 1385232315 667507 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would be the computer barbarian? < 1385232334 795968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schneier looks like one, I think. < 1385232357 67571 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would talk about computer thief, but that might get controversial! < 1385232392 287026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowden? < 1385232412 574298 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is the computer spy < 1385232454 65719 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer rogue? < 1385232462 902793 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1385232463 460605 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer paladin? < 1385232471 746579 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth is the king of computers, I suppose < 1385233516 55784 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First output from a markov-chain thingy I'm making: "Just the place for a season of woe- But the Snark, with a Snark." < 1385233519 608253 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with quotes) < 1385234862 220735 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snarky. < 1385234993 832144 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385235079 811090 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to figure out a way to make it parse punctuation as separate tokens < 1385235638 530732 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385235945 298904 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385236161 327111 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385236167 474969 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but McCarthy = king of computers. :-) < 1385236182 886250 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1385236226 673902 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn that man and his anticommunist policies! < 1385236425 742798 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385236476 697715 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if your grave doesnt say "rest in peace" on it you are automatically drafted into the skeleton war" < 1385236480 910886 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True fact. < 1385237085 656690 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro|nospoiler < 1385237290 749768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'l = [[0]]*2; l[0][0] = 1; print l' < 1385237296 70377 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[1], [1]] < 1385237339 171812 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1385237341 186697 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1385237341 941921 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       | < 1385237342 100085 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     o/`¯º < 1385237384 72718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? _/..\ < 1385237868 111274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385238421 477793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Regarding the use case for your adapter, perhaps the idea was that you're going to have a large piles of those computer power supply cables (with wall-plugs proper to your walls) anyway, so they can sell their universal outlet to a wide audience without having to worry about the "input side". < 1385238461 96802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A large piles, yes. < 1385238615 278864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am aware of the fact x^y has no limit as 0^0. what i don't understand is why CAS implementers picked 1 < 1385238872 612039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because amongst other things x^y is the number of functions from a set of cardinality y to one of cardinality x, and there's 1 function from the empty set to itself < 1385238895 409740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0=1 also cleanly extends some combinatorial identities, afaik < 1385240576 862618 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-95.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385240654 910473 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.197.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385240661 381798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: intuitively, consider the fact that polynomials and power series are among the most important objects in mathematics, and the sum_{i=0}^n a_i x^i formulation only works if x^0 = 1 without exception. < 1385240912 372739 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385242026 430848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw, does the axiom of regularity require that it's impossible to do an 'infinite descent' through a set? < 1385242040 157478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's equivalent. < 1385242072 865358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was iirc von neumann's original formulation. < 1385242083 461445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it says exactly that in the fourth line of the wp article < 1385242101 954106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about where i last read it. < 1385242114 744473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not the first time, i think. < 1385242255 905456 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.197.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is an "infinite descent" through a set? < 1385242290 631978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: an infinite sequence such that x_0 is in the set and x_{i+1} is an element of x_i. < 1385242305 904574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, x_0 might just be the set. < 1385242336 716570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or maybe von neumann's original formulation was the thing about ordinal rank. < 1385242421 253178 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385242511 25944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wikipedia's history section disagrees, maybe. < 1385242511 501614 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.197.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, that's what it is. < 1385242544 361300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heared of that infinite descent thing but that's so ugly complicated that it shouldn't be an axiom. < 1385242555 308687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current formulation fo the axiom of regularity is much better < 1385242567 698871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the set ranks should be the theorem < 1385242601 855491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems von neumann had a simple formulation. < 1385242627 527375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the entire _point_ of the axiom is to rule out the infinite descent stuff. < 1385242655 567009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get the ranks. < 1385242671 732021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and? < 1385242680 400264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simple formulation still should be the axiom < 1385242688 27983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to work from there < 1385242712 238244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that you really need regularity for anything) < 1385242712 490634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying it shouldn't be given alone since it obscures the purpose. < 1385242807 972288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1385242843 612994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people care about the elegance of ZFC axioms? :/ < 1385242886 87995 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eleven herbs and axioms < 1385243065 863425 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff78a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385243227 476973 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.197.16 QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1385243233 240472 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385243359 522489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smells a haskeller
< 1385243393 815252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE typeclassy < 1385243396 420252 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TyPeClAsSy: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1385243413 496189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME gigimoi < 1385243415 699654 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIGIMOI: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: . (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1385243433 724972 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1385243439 589176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385243448 672876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido gigimoi < 1385243450 876360 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigimoi: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1385243463 223178 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not spanish : ) < 1385243479 749954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE < 1385243498 216662 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 100%, but pretty sure. < 1385243525 461827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a regular inflow of spanish people getting here and getting confused. we think it's because the channel name starts with es. < 1385243546 391918 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol. < 1385243546 717740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometime regular. it's been a while since the last one. < 1385243622 149635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1385243662 576171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking, not spanish, i think an unusual number are venezuelan. < 1385243694 237980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suffice to say that i now have a reflex action on newbies saying "hola". < 1385243699 533173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+it < 1385243755 719079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's news to me. "" < 1385243755 879133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript is required to use IRC. < 1385243788 103489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least to past quotes properly inside quotes. < 1385243791 318074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*paste < 1385243798 318616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lso to spel corectly < 1385243841 33637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did place the cursor between "" and then I pasted ... but a newline defeated my perfect plan. < 1385243849 962001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected. < 1385243890 978304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is being secretive. < 1385243901 570592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's irssi. :P < 1385243922 132697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected that, since i have it too and pasting is a regular annoyance. < 1385244156 814398 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385244355 117445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm actually wondering why firefox put a newline there, all I did was triple click on the first line of https://webchat.freenode.net/ (without javascript enabled, obviously). < 1385244383 527557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess it boils down to stupid software being stupid. < 1385245016 921099 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385245209 522256 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385245226 302289 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385245725 244934 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385245797 704319 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385245828 244268 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385246021 704496 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff78a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385246354 375970 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385246417 674833 :evalj!~jeval@BC064E87.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385247157 558495 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1385247160 949966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey people < 1385247177 554638 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello quintopia < 1385247179 884301 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintellopia < 1385247191 819533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathoverflow.net/questions/149620/easy-way-to-prove-that-this-algorithm-eventually-terminates solve this thing! < 1385247201 245042 :Kevin!6b05b588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.181.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385247226 622753 :Kevin!6b05b588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.181.136 NICK :Guest6589 < 1385247405 127768 :Guest6589!6b05b588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.181.136 QUIT :Client Quit < 1385248211 314532 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385248379 25911 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385249346 398692 :typeclassy!~user@ool-43512043.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385249797 316274 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1385250358 343925 :typeclassy!~user@ool-43512043.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385250398 75936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hi did you ever read that thing < 1385251571 465130 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385251694 976599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/IkUDj < 1385251838 151888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the youtube commenters migrated to imgur < 1385252013 31034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :SUNTORY BOSS is the boss of them all since 1992 | Koirammekokaan ei lennä? :( | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1385252103 450273 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385252246 232223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385252277 897222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a few places calling the real plane with a point at infinity 'projective' (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve#The_group_law ) < 1385252292 466248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not make much sense to me < 1385252296 997330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRESPASSERS W < 1385252456 157790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that article it's the specific point at infinity corresponding to the y axis < 1385252463 451462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :) < 1385252503 68791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the projective plane has a line at infinity, not just a point. < 1385252513 538571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> afk
< 1385252528 433226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is why i was confused < 1385252567 232903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while we're at it: is the surface at infinity of the 3d projective space a 2-sphere or the projective plane?) < 1385252830 803053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1385252884 945451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the projective plane. < 1385252986 719935 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385253016 961814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in homogeneous coordinates, the subspaces at infinity are just the elements that have a fixed coordinate 0, so you cannot normalize it to 1. < 1385253041 373211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the same as the projective space of one lower dimension. < 1385253149 273798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, R^3 embeds into the projective space as (x,y,z,1) and points of the form (x,y,z,0) are the infinite remainder. < 1385253766 179629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, i realised this right after asking < 1385253799 343342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the subspace (x,y,z,0) over the same equivalence relation as the normal projective plane < 1385254116 986703 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385254436 955313 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1385254523 490796 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385254607 798520 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385254934 916658 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on my own eso language, currently looks like this: https://github.com/gigimoi/B2D/blob/master/examples/fibonnaci.b2d < 1385255088 103150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "fibonacci" hth < 1385255198 997972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that would look better if [ and ] swapped meanings in the opposite direction < 1385255347 78965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for years i thought it was fibocanni < 1385255401 504195 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though paradigm was pronounced paradiggum < 1385255426 356616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that also < 1385255501 522543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And perhaps you'd use ⎴ and ⎵ when going up/down too? < 1385255520 546120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, mispronouncing words because you've only read them is a sign of erudition (pretend i mispronounced the word "erudition" here) < 1385255681 708578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see no point in using those little squares < 1385255698 890526 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have pronounce words wrong too due to only reading them, and so have other people, even Feynman was studying biology but never learned it in the class so he mispronounced everything too, and my father said he also mispronounced everything at first; a lot of people do. < 1385255889 849075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ oerjan unidecode ⎴⎵ < 1385255891 943672 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [U+23B4 TOP SQUARE BRACKET] [U+23B5 BOTTOM SQUARE BRACKET] < 1385255933 394672 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385256346 385246 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385256684 404742 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385256697 144308 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385257158 328813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385257297 54194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385258199 102071 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385259237 306370 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385260125 370681 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dancing Imakuni?'s card is much more useful than the ordinary Imakuni?'s card! (The dancing Imakuni?'s card allows you to make your active pokemon card sleeping, confused, paralyzed, or poisoned, according to your choice.) < 1385260281 943510 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yesterday afternoon I played my first session of D&D < 1385260323 302654 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :During which in the first encounter my character got transformed into a walking plot device < 1385260438 184064 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of useful because now the party actually has a reason to keep me alive < 1385260451 325182 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my character is the only nice character in the party) < 1385260487 427419 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ah, OK. Well, now you don't have to defend yourself against attacks they make against you, I suppose. < 1385260502 611983 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I thought it was fun to play a pacifist < 1385260526 656660 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, that is OK if you like to do so! < 1385260538 802111 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it's been a fun constraint for me at least < 1385260554 586278 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rest of the party is a bit annoyed but then again they are all quite combat-oriented < 1385260568 645488 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play combat-oriented though either < 1385260610 133635 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I do not associate a recording of my voice to me at all < 1385260624 970256 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless either I've just said it or there's a picture of me < 1385260681 532241 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1385260719 149675 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is true of some other people too though < 1385260735 788859 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385260737 723291 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I quite like my voice when I don't associate it with me < 1385260739 332431 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my own kind of playing of Dungeons&Dragons game? < 1385260742 911325 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when I do I don't like it < 1385260749 816554 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, can you describe that briefly < 1385260833 121743 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1385260879 567266 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I try to affect the situation rather than making direct attacks and so on (although sometimes I will, the other characters in my party are better at combat); I also like to play monster character. There are various other things too I do, such as strange spells, and I always try to conserve all spells and everything rather than use them, if possible < 1385260901 538251 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to read it to understand (it is a file on my computer, you can download) < 1385260918 45125 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds fun < 1385260940 944962 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is the DM's first game, though, and I want to make it easy for him < 1385260951 386014 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm sticking with his quest < 1385260952 638208 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1385260972 662164 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my game recording: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1385261011 571748 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whenever I update it, I will post a message starting with "`danddreclist" to this channel.) < 1385261105 321297 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight! < 1385261124 306100 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385262109 625039 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385262902 755789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385262904 347769 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385262947 830748 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1385262951 353963 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385263200 366475 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385263489 262116 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385265554 962302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please help us improve our service by answering a few questions about your experience: * Take the survey * No, I do not wish to take the survey at this time" < 1385265560 835099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like this is a trap. < 1385265605 181868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only winning move is not to play. < 1385265613 793553 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385265953 918420 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could possibly ignore the question if you don't like it, I suppose. < 1385266031 815858 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imakuni?'s card is *not* useless! < 1385266175 359633 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1385266287 643090 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385266840 452241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's with the infinite redirect in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnstone < 1385266860 233652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and in the meanwhile completely ignoring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnstone_(mathematician) < 1385266863 239916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with that < 1385267633 238202 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385267862 786641 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385268116 221649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385268448 479498 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385268462 490321 :Jesin!~Jesin@r226155.res.Lehigh.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1385268615 686547 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385268624 610293 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385269921 452514 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1385271110 350887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385272545 384190 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385272583 820136 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385272584 14657 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385272993 450536 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385273125 314231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385274267 317769 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385274365 712716 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskreddit/comments/1rc44v/i_dont_know_why_people_add_a_question_mark_to_a/ < 1385274421 496975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Because it's fun? < 1385275601 653733 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385275615 633046 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://i.imgur.com/87zBrsJ.jpg < 1385275744 985494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: totally < 1385275777 790462 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey mispronunciation in the logs < 1385275785 759626 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i found out that i've been saying 'array' wrong for presumably years < 1385275786 64308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live right by crescent park < 1385275814 356129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those billionaires, man. somebody gotta do something < 1385275823 441678 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1385275958 589146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live on the east palo alto side of the border, though < 1385275985 957926 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it "uh-ray"? < 1385276004 106376 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1385276004 264198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me the kind of people they want to keep out :'( < 1385276012 218463 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already forgot though < 1385276020 363604 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like i use it in conversation much < 1385276031 770520 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly i explained what an FPGA is to my dad, that was fun < 1385276411 317188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385276740 511125 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385276887 194530 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385277887 820646 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385278191 772607 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385278685 710694 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9aQ7DYCYAAb0fU.jpg < 1385278973 779944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deja vu < 1385279033 372148 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385279097 343831 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1385280645 841573 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385280833 801868 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385281520 707819 :evalj!~jeval@dsl51B68557.pool.t-online.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385283109 694461 :evalj!~jeval@dsl51B68557.pool.t-online.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385284032 819295 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385284378 101605 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05:55 Sweet, can't used @ as a function name in haskell, but I can use ＠! Thanks. < 1385284382 825460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even < 1385285345 877611 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1385285951 577250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode to the rescue < 1385286436 144302 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385287520 652094 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are no trashcans in british train stations, except in rare cases in the form of clear plastic bags hanging freely (in the hopes that a bomb inside one would be visible, i guess) < 1385287544 13299 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet there is not much litter because britain < 1385287591 221377 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, there are up north < 1385287606 284244 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i never saw one < 1385287610 169046 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Hexham and Newcastle both have bins < 1385287613 224385 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I've used them < 1385287616 469619 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the station) < 1385287620 442415 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, okay < 1385287631 367125 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in new york the MTA can't manage to empty all the trash cans fast enough < 1385287635 63196 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they overflow < 1385287638 155821 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember any in York but I've never had to wait in York < 1385287642 939432 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they've removed the trashcans from some stations < 1385287691 815400 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that people will take their trash outside rather than putting it in an overflowing bin < 1385287717 350207 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems like a parody of government-agency disfunction < 1385287740 170343 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, London once stored bags full of rubbish in giant piles in Leicester Square < 1385287782 723817 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dis/dys/; < 1385287810 419321 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/government-agency/organisational/; < 1385289042 259005 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-95.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385289484 256405 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385291356 656055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask kmc Do people often call you "Kegs"? < 1385291356 813721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385291385 464764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I may have asked about that before.) < 1385291438 855378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385291958 157604 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have spent a lot of time around Keegan and have never ever heard anyone call him Kegs. < 1385292959 35799 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you made fungot, right? < 1385292959 193498 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this was acctully a computer could land by itself-with no one thinks the black guy, the crew. < 1385292978 903524 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me some tips for markov-chain text generation < 1385293063 592717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot's trying to say they created themself < 1385293063 786615 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: nesun dorma in female roles only, i could show you a stack of proof from a sensationalist american tv-shows are not always right' mode. < 1385294672 114197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385294769 708264 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385294888 611799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1385294888 806541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1385294907 358975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1385294941 487053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, I mean, fungot's just a ngram model, generating text from one is borderline trivial. < 1385294941 682690 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're not exactly gonna be relased....what a shame that it was mostly a maze involving a red line as the tail hit the trees or something? < 1385294969 936345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel about fizzie insulting you < 1385294970 94110 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow like 10 mins ago i saw the poseidon go down quick enough. i think most can remeber their first flight" for " habsheim airbus crash" under search and watch the video above, it was < 1385294981 656263 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm having trouble dealing with punctuation < 1385294993 392358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he may not have noticed. < 1385295038 307939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I just preprocess that stuff. The tokens in the model for (foo.) look like POPAREN foo PDOT PCPAREN. < 1385295061 879344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (The Perl version keeps a stack of paired punctuation to ensure it matches, but that's not in the Funge version.) < 1385295089 949342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah stacks are too hard in funge < 1385295118 159451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're free to submit a patch, you know. < 1385295147 463412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1385295147 621284 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1385295151 879098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enough of the YouTubes.) < 1385296068 129781 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp < 1385296076 288565 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some little assembly things with the registers < 1385296083 561948 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let's try to fuck around with the RAM a bit < 1385296086 899906 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addresses and shit < 1385296165 329180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell are you doing? < 1385296574 624432 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning my man < 1385296679 556583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fixed hth < 1385296840 253162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf whoever made the redirect wiped out some stuff. also i don't see how it was infinite. < 1385296840 411087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385296881 801692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf you might learn to read wikipedia history diffs hth < 1385296881 959572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385297227 936277 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385297813 529760 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385297833 278199 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1385297845 835896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x @! y = var $ x++': '++y in "myname" @! "yes, it's true" < 1385297846 653236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:24: parse error on input `:' < 1385297849 836755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385297858 641808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x @! y = var $ x++": "++y in "myname" @! "yes, it's true" < 1385297859 553943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname: yes, it's true < 1385297923 921197 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is var for? < 1385297927 661429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: myname: you two have to battle it out in a nick deathmatch. < 1385297947 99365 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which two? < 1385297950 350007 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385297952 362933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385297957 60678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: removing quotes. technically it's some symbol representation thing. < 1385297972 727310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t var < 1385297973 390226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Expr < 1385297985 33167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just Expr < 1385298004 912758 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just make your client complete to the right one < 1385298061 87143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (+) . map var $ cycle ["myname","myndzi"] < 1385298062 7029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [myname,myname + myndzi,myname + myndzi + myname,myname + myndzi + myname +... < 1385298091 384731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it doesn't do so until the right one speaks < 1385298238 533023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (var "myname" +) < 1385298239 395723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (mynam... < 1385298246 585127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely lazy < 1385298253 978116 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385298508 137326 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385299407 783034 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385299819 397441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385300783 290970 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385301185 351457 :evalj!~jeval@BC064076.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385301897 404511 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385301937 150185 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385301937 307876 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385302940 650292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr "meow" < 1385302941 470452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1385302941 628270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : w... < 1385303136 31966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. The (DS3) gamepad has stopped working in Windows again, after the 8.1 upgrade. < 1385303153 460029 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385304370 871674 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385305220 806661 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385305267 442639 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1385305743 533045 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385306042 155595 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385306092 195155 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385306116 515848 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1385306272 267805 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385307316 970397 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385307723 160333 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385308682 908222 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385308883 233951 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385311014 35879 :Jesin!~Jesin@r226155.res.Lehigh.EDU QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385311449 130377 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385312349 870067 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385312527 839471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385313448 477363 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385313468 466824 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314531 152178 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385314557 199162 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314600 266529 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385314600 462404 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314909 385096 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314913 324666 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385316049 528236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385316199 306245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385316355 123 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385316589 905556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385316974 544509 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385316994 444245 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385317037 157909 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385317037 315876 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385317489 405256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385319321 276090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstone_(surname) though < 1385319605 843954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, maybe a few people in high school....... why < 1385319717 128509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385319779 733336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t expr < 1385319780 356543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr -> Expr < 1385319829 318656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: expr is like a type restriction of id, to use when the usual Expr functions are so polymorphic that you get error messages like these: < 1385319833 138872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f x < 1385319834 190526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr a0) < 1385319834 358578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1385319839 321248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr $ f x < 1385319840 255095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f x < 1385319901 654761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix f < 1385319903 133443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr a0) < 1385319903 291402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1385319909 25607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (expr . f) < 1385319909 950915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (... < 1385319941 439861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell FreeFull see logs. < 1385319941 597663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385320033 330562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f (expr . g . expr) x :: Expr < 1385320034 150487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1385320034 308164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.... < 1385320039 609962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wat < 1385320055 561074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that might be a problem. < 1385320169 932014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f sin x < 1385320170 989860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr a0) < 1385320171 148245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1385320178 253706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f sin x :: Expr < 1385320179 64109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f Double> x < 1385320195 905966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1385320203 355878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr . g . expr < 1385320204 345398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1385320204 503247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.... < 1385320232 980836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> g :: Expr -> Expr < 1385320233 876093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1385320234 199513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.... < 1385320244 997297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's Expr itself which isn't Typeable < 1385320254 928368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let derive Typeable Expr < 1385320255 86091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TemplateHaskell is not enabled < 1385320260 505609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385320277 605853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure that's even correct syntax < 1385320311 840170 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385320402 914394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess it couldn't print "f g x" even if it did. < 1385320523 517711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "f g x" {- it can print anything -} < 1385320524 460240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f g x < 1385320548 457604 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix var < 1385320549 283149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1385320549 441061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `[G... < 1385320556 463458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty var < 1385320557 106609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Expr < 1385320569 474098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix fix < 1385320570 404704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = a0 -> a0 < 1385320570 562465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected t... < 1385320653 377401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (show . (:[]) . var) < 1385320654 279528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[... < 1385320674 428236 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you generated a lisp program < 1385320693 812810 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it's infinitely deep < 1385320702 221839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (show . flip (,) undefined . var) -- more lispy < 1385320703 222491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320783 728599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah! < 1385320783 885937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var(repeat'(') < 1385320784 657417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:14: parse error on input `)' < 1385320793 33566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var(cycle "(") < 1385320793 929045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320815 328927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks buggy. also i have a feeling i've seen that bug before. < 1385320821 578233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1385320825 475244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't start with a " < 1385320827 862038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's shorter < 1385320830 233474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385320830 391748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so b_jonas wins < 1385320840 526325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var(repeat '(') < 1385320841 507418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320849 454427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is a legal identifier character < 1385320937 41692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$cycle"(" < 1385320937 957557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320944 915874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as we're golfing < 1385320985 552610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION flogs oerjan
< 1385321105 995273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, no reason. < 1385321139 642716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cb < 1385321140 881358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385321146 379528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cb < 1385321147 55466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1385321187 413326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, generate lots of ]s or )s or the channel will capsize due to unbalanced parens. < 1385321205 996712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((])S:^):^ < 1385321206 156059 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ...too much output! < 1385321213 713569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. < 1385321232 800495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 999$')' < 1385321233 513709 :evalj!~jeval@BC064076.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))... < 1385321243 844472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's that? < 1385321265 803836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oerjan's code was Underload, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1385321279 679698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did jconn get renamed? < 1385321298 659274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a different instance < 1385321309 489063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we've had four or five different instances of the same bot < 1385321323 966033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 999$')' < 1385321324 341121 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))... < 1385321324 574477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :evalj is mine, but I only run it occasionally < 1385321337 425764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jconn is fftw's instance, he runs it all the time < 1385321340 208898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bots do we have that can do Underload? < 1385321341 689406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, obviously < 1385321341 984793 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google will find plenty :) iz 3. < 1385321349 909993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot can but it's not online atm (nor is it normally) < 1385321350 273119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three, apparently. < 1385321353 994326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can any of the non-eso bots do it? < 1385321354 398184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (hi)S < 1385321356 515793 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1385321362 270281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1385321363 779114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have two or three instances of buubot at some time too < 1385321368 482430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I think we only have one active < 1385321370 769002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp underload (hi)S < 1385321374 705801 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1385321441 664270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, esobots tend to pick Underload and brainfuck to impl < 1385321444 668701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because they're easy < 1385321463 53833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although thutubot doesn't do brainfuck because Thutu sucks at arithmetic < 1385321465 445789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does any of them run dc? < 1385321501 80087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which dc < 1385321502 341066 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/dc < 1385321532 581464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i remembered how dc worked i'd check EgoBot. < 1385321536 453458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, a universal bot < 1385321558 815021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses backtick as the invocation character too, which is funny < 1385321563 744367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I chose backtick for termbot < 1385321610 484866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstone_(surname) though <-- argh < 1385321700 447306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e[[)]ndx]dx < 1385321701 745805 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1385321747 359243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131124-reddit.png <- that was new for me. (Not that I diddit much.) < 1385321797 665336 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385321831 140284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e[93andx]dx < 1385321832 432016 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] < 1385321849 188764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '1 2 3 4 5' | dc - <(echo '0ss[q]sq[z1=qrls+ssdx]dxlsp') # easiest way to sum numbers in stdin? < 1385321850 903202 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 < 1385321867 937299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this underload looks scary < 1385321888 842439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's probably my greatest esolanging accomplishment < 1385321912 729208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is actually new and different and yet useful < 1385321965 655002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can underload be translated to dc by some simple replacements, like replacing parens to square brackets etc? < 1385321974 462862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1385321983 918020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does this stack turned to program not allow that? I don't really understand underload < 1385321990 185042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenative languages are known to be quite easy to interconvert between < 1385321997 780202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it won't be exactly the same due to the S command < 1385322012 49124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385322013 19234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack->program translation is really vital, though, it's the only way to be able to do control flow < 1385322029 328083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a dc obfu that takes the length of strings that are also used as code < 1385322043 728168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you try to replace parts of code it falls apart because the lengths are wrong < 1385322053 433791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a brilliant method < 1385322077 957319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering why anyone would ever want to obfuscate dc code < 1385322089 309364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: made it a disambiguation page instead. < 1385322097 773774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I consider S a design mistake in Underload, but given that I hardly ever work on its successor Underlambda… < 1385322101 49881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're asking that on #esoteric ? you can't be serious < 1385322146 386359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was; it's like asking "why would anyone ever think of writing a standard library for BackFlip" < 1385322154 994596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: reddit not loading happens all the time. < 1385322162 465509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I shouldn't call it a brilliant idea < 1385322166 310506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of thing that just didn't occur to me that it might be a useful operation, nor even do just for the hell of it < 1385322182 585451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice dc, also what? < 1385322184 934490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that that perl obfu I showed you yesterday uses exactly this trick: it re-uses its code as data so you can't change its code < 1385322203 694718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eeval for'for$=(2..27){$*=0;$*=($**$=+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr$*}'."\n#ig\\tq\24^-/v\c^l,\23\$%\3\ta2\tk\b\c\)\x18 -- ambrus" < 1385322205 131779 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$* is no longer supported at (eval 1) line 1. \ Just another Perl hacker, < 1385322217 642570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never written code for dc, is it actually usually like '0ss[q]sq[z1=qrls+ssdx]dxlsp' ? < 1385322233 899615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eeval for"for\$^(2..27){\$==0;\$==(\$=*\$^+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr\$=}\n#P*h!9= Nn[\c\9\0*.:\eUt\17%j{dY\31 -- ambrus" < 1385322234 59719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscating Perl makes sense, both because people have competitions in it, and because you might want to stop people reading your Perl source and yet have the compiler understand it < 1385322235 189841 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another Perl hacker, < 1385322236 894705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, it always looks like that < 1385322240 519813 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use dc. < 1385322240 818823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1385322251 9123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some dc code somewhere < 1385322266 941752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because dc was originally intended for arithmetic, which it devotes most of its readability to < 1385322283 901083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else gets pushed into a few keywords which are single consonants < 1385322287 946810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also it was written back when memory was really expensive < 1385322290 299372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably vowels too, but nobody uses those < 1385322292 47321 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc looks almost as obfuscated as TECO < 1385322297 896935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the original dc had to be implemented in a very tight space < 1385322305 118573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's gained a few more primitives since, < 1385322310 446021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basics haven't changed < 1385322313 780630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"back when memory was really expensive, and probably vowels too" < 1385322333 764536 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but nobody uses those < 1385322362 583178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs with Hangul syntax? actually I asked this before and the answer is "yes" but there should be more because, Hangul owns < 1385322363 58379 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think dc is OK < 1385322386 95458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1dp[pdsd+ldrlxx]dsxx < 1385322387 406870 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 1134 < 1385322397 518512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It doesn't always look quite like that if you're just using it interactively to do some arithmetic. < 1385322397 680120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[prdk+KdZ5\>x]dsxx < 1385322399 19279 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: 1 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 1 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 2 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 3 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 5 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 8 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 13 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 21 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 34 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 55 \ '\' < 1385322399 860525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Aheui < 1385322406 891890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1385322413 424759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[prdk+KdZ5>x]dsxx < 1385322414 693360 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 < 1385322441 69381 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e'4 5*p' < 1385322442 418014 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: ''' (047) unimplemented \ 20 \ dc: ''' (047) unimplemented < 1385322446 974591 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e4 5*p < 1385322447 846245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx < 1385322448 238446 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 < 1385322449 181838 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 11349031 < 1385322460 441110 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about this bracket stuff < 1385322463 312575 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any of the other stuff < 1385322472 361325 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff in general, tbh < 1385322483 484331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brackets are like Underload parens hth < 1385322507 344904 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact the TeXnicard programming language is based on dc and Underload (well, one of its embedded programming languages anyways; there is another used for graphics, and another used for booster packs and deck construction, etc) < 1385322510 876261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much all concatenative languages have something equivalent to Underload parens, unless you're intentionally trying to make one that doesn't < 1385322512 80264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And x is like Underload ! hth^2 < 1385322517 532395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as dei, which I don't think is on the wiki) < 1385322536 289242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean ^. < 1385322548 122789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know how I got that wrong, brain fart.) < 1385322552 658554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds scary < 1385322552 816705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :brackets are for quotation I suppose? < 1385322559 635487 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn dc.. < 1385322570 149094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1385322593 836235 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. meta < 1385322646 848027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc has many esolang-like properties < 1385322695 962061 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Brackets introduce strings, which are used for code blocks too. < 1385322708 887581 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "e1d[prdk+KdZ5>x]dsxx" pushes 1,1,"prdk+KdZ5>x" to the stack, puts "prdk+KdZ5>x" in the "x" register, and then pops "prdk+KdZ5>x" from the stack and executes it? < 1385322716 785007 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, scratch the initial e < 1385322749 463451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1385322752 399872 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :himc. < 1385322759 111728 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1385322765 271911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1385322769 444524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting at LAX for my flight home to SF < 1385322821 717790 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, that would do < 1385322822 618507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: some explanation in http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=627011 < 1385322825 28607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1385322833 930251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e[d91aPP93aP[dx]P]dx < 1385322835 377481 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[d91aPP93aP[dx]P]dx < 1385322836 400478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp underload (:aS(:^)S):^ < 1385322838 58280 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(:aS(:^)S):^ < 1385322859 759642 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... but then p should pop 1 from the stack and print it, leaving the stack as just a 1, so what's r do? < 1385322863 698716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should actually learn the korean language instead of just obsessing over how cool the alphabet is < 1385322874 681502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite as clean as the Underload version because there's no equivalent of "a". < 1385322923 806580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: swaps the other 1 with the long string < 1385322942 598110 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i thought x popped the string to execute it < 1385322949 465725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it got duplicated by d < 1385322956 602148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1385322959 318731 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but s popped it < 1385322962 271689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1385322965 258068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :p doesn't pop < 1385322969 36957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints but doesn't pop < 1385322973 611013 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385322976 876563 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1385323017 575048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this underload is awesome < 1385323028 993598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1385323045 209131 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k sets the precision... i thought dc used bignums < 1385323066 251627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this bit of the dc man page, regarding P on a number: "Assuming that (UCHAR_MAX+1) is 256 (as it is on most machines with 8-bit bytes), the sequence KSK0k1/_1Ss [ls*]Sxd0>x [256~Ssd0qaPlxx] dsxxsx0sqLqsxLxLK+k could also accomplish this function." < 1385323068 494519 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does use bignums, although some operations still need the precision < 1385323072 767541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: here we use the precision as just a register < 1385323074 313586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not shy about what it looks like. < 1385323077 764133 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385323080 112934 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385323081 542680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, why. < 1385323082 404837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we don't use any ops that precision changes < 1385323091 314763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that k is shorter than saving to a register < 1385323096 228106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case < 1385323097 427865 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1385323101 707021 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385323105 426103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a golf attempt < 1385323123 655513 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I have done that too for golf attempt < 1385323126 98801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see the history here: http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=490532 < 1385323139 682656 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is dc program implementing the XKCD variation of Deadfish: [p]1:z[d*]2:z[1+]3:z[1-]4:z[0sB]dsAx[lB0>AlB256=A0d?lBz;zxsBclCx]dsCx < 1385323164 784554 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else implemented the ordinary Deadfish however that one has some problem dealing with the "s" command properly. < 1385323193 299104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more variants at http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=626801 < 1385323196 240095 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f : R -> R is a continuous function with the property that for any fixed real number x, f(nx) -> 0 as n -> \infty. Show that f(x) -> 0 as x -> \infty." i think i'm a failure < 1385323227 651046 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell if they mean natural n < 1385323239 182092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must do, otherwise you just choose 1 as your fixed x < 1385323263 173201 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, ok. < 1385323267 16315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not an interesting question < 1385323284 825328 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blog post linked about it specifies naturals too so there we go < 1385323306 97477 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up with a discontinuous counterexample and that's about it, go me < 1385323312 406786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to give away the solution? I think I've got it < 1385323326 693829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm, no :( < 1385323343 352405 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i already have "easy consequence of 1,1baire's category theorem" as a solution but i don't really know that theory < 1385323346 973216 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorem < 1385323472 81658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :underlang is both awesome and scary < 1385323485 329208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does anyone happen to have a working running copy of wikiplia? < 1385323585 333389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats b_jonas for misspelling underload -----###
< 1385323626 911592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: might want to deal with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnston < 1385323657 379283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1385323680 134003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um no i didn't change the others so why change that. < 1385323689 569140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1385323690 340260 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385323690 981108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload < 1385323724 413480 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc 448378203247P < 1385323725 755874 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: Could not open file 448378203247P < 1385323727 764683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a really good article for that peter johnstone, the original was so minimal it got changed to a redirect to the list of governors. < 1385323731 457676 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e448378203247P < 1385323732 649354 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1385323744 595513 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1385323798 212501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that one is already a combined disambiguation page for johnston and johnstone < 1385323814 729610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that is true < 1385323820 822127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1385323837 2069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i ban shachaf until he starts doing his wikipedia editing himself < 1385323839 637104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hmm, that's a good idea < 1385323856 649612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like the mod 127 polynomial obfu could possibly be translated to dc < 1385323858 35940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i need the experts to think of all the edge cases for me < 1385323861 944239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i might miss something < 1385323863 609893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it in perl and lua so far < 1385323893 533592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but you keep giving me extra work because you keep finding new edge cases! < 1385323918 72844 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, mind showing the lua version? < 1385323923 865471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: let me find it < 1385323947 880926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the P command seems like a useful one to (ab)use < 1385323962 649495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you don't need P, you can use a < 1385323980 125896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385323985 516502 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gotten that far in the manpage yet < 1385324010 889161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://dpaste.com/1481708/ < 1385324037 867224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, i fixed the problem where someone who seeks for the mathematician might end up on a dead end with no way to him, which was the main problem afaiac. < 1385324047 299053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one also puts most of the code inside the string used for data, so you can't change the code, but for some silly reason my name is not in that string so you can change that < 1385324093 915209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's true < 1385324099 140351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was my original problem) < 1385324335 58608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should try to write such a version of the GF(128) japh too < 1385324349 895813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one where you can't just change the code that is < 1385324358 797855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, no < 1385324367 414465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be against its purpose < 1385324397 770329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of my GF(128) obfu is to show off how easy it is to do calculations over GF(128) in perl < 1385324409 836478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the code should be changeable < 1385324522 4348 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, so basically the idea is to treat the bytes in the string as coefficients of a polynomial, and compute that polynomial for x ∈ [2,26] (or however long a string you want to output) < 1385324522 782431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy not only in that the code is short, but that it does the computation vectorized working with all the coefficients at the same time < 1385324528 562632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no explicit loops on the coefficients < 1385324532 886583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1385324572 723374 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, you could change that ; in the string to a space for (slightly) more obscure code, I'm pretty sure < 1385324599 57226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what semicolon in which code? < 1385324607 951582 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, less-expected-to-work code for someone not used to Lua's grammar < 1385324612 674266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385324614 737220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lua < 1385324626 927031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... you can often omit semicolons in lua < 1385324629 362530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wierds me out < 1385324635 990725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua doesn't require any particular delimiter between statements < 1385324643 788818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually yes < 1385324656 898102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semicolon is required only when it would be ambiguous otherwise < 1385324661 879744 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1385324678 932715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which semicolon out of the three? < 1385324705 7327 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1385324712 811040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think all three < 1385324714 235163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the string... which out of two < 1385324723 201423 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of them cause any ambiguity < 1385324732 755015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385324734 884200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have a hunch lucasieks may be trying to make the pages fit within his browser width. < 1385324751 981622 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the last one you could even remove it (the string and the identifier are separate tokens anyway) < 1385324760 308852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, < 1385324778 404027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which lua < 1385324779 701512 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/lua < 1385324783 838679 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat < 1385324789 894997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second semicolon is after an end, which makes it less surprising you can omit it (for me as a perler) < 1385324806 586547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall previously having a bug where i couldn't scroll properly rightwards when wikitables got too wide, although that seems to have been fixed for me now. maybe he still has that problem. < 1385324819 179384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third one uyou could omit but you'd still need the newline or it would be too wide < 1385324821 445592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had a hunch that might be it too, but his solutions are really destructive < 1385324827 116142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them put a newline in the middle of a keyword… < 1385324830 241268 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, newlines in Lua has no special meaning either (i.e., newlines == spaces as far as the lexer is concerned) < 1385324840 646717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, my browser for some reason didn't detect that it needed a scrollbar when the reason was a wide wikitable) < 1385324841 151681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sure < 1385324851 328711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that part I like < 1385324862 302733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that feature in perl and C too where it's mostly true about newlines < 1385324878 633188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some other languages) < 1385324936 709428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Algol 60 completely ignores whitespace < 1385324950 631566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, even for separating tokens? < 1385324951 962089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some basics and some fortrans do as well < 1385324954 421227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it's left undefined what the representation of a keyword is, and some compilers disallow whitespace inside keywords < 1385324954 578959 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I like that feature of how C and so on treats line breaks (except in C++ comments and preprocessor directives) < 1385324955 924129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1385324972 79194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in so much that you can't write X OR Y in some basics because X OR is a token < 1385324972 336920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all compliant Algol 60 implementations allow whitespace inside variable names, though < 1385324979 993462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the substring "for" is always treated as a separate token, say, even if it appears in "aforb" or something? < 1385324988 568754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in some basics, yes < 1385324994 620835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in Algol 60, it depends on the impl < 1385325008 472638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impl I have requires keywords to have no internal spaces but is insensitive to spaces around them < 1385325019 349857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wand an identifier name aforb, you have to write it as af orb, for instance < 1385325020 810154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mind you, those basics also had 2 characters significant length of variable names, 3 significant of keywords, and small memory < 1385325037 395292 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OASYS does the same and it doesn't even have semicolons or whatever to separate statements. < 1385325058 615040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is.. weird. < 1385325099 376815 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385325100 809848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol 68 is whitespace-sensitive, I think, but it still allows whitespace inside identifiers < 1385325113 383773 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1385325157 190339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because algol/fortran was invented in the days of punch cards < 1385325202 295287 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385325648 812869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever made my own esolang once, and wrote only one program in it, and that one program was buggy. < 1385325660 95755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know now how I could fix that program, but have lost interest in it. < 1385325673 765441 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385325677 210160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't revive that esolang, but might try something with similar design later. < 1385325968 217926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if it's possible to translate http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=989716 (arithmetic in Zeckendorf representation) to sed < 1385325980 864383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all rewrite rules, so it's probably representable in sed < 1385326005 457682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there's already a famous calculator (using decimal) in sed, so it might not be worth < 1385326010 626848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, Thue is Turing-complete… < 1385326065 76437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, < 1385326084 407003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it BF-complete, btw? < 1385326104 359510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wonder if zeckendorf addition in particualr can be translated in a short and simple way < 1385326112 103403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it can < 1385326120 76173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sed that is < 1385326146 174472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you cannot input an arbitrary string and be sure it doesn't mess up your program. < 1385326173 724878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can always be identical to something you are using for internal data < 1385326193 600864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can almost do it in sed < 1385326208 784932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can completely do it < 1385326214 51953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think you can < 1385326220 303881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, that's what I was wondering about < 1385326235 659361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could do something clever involving the ends of the string, but probably not < 1385326236 813286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save the current buffer, read a string, do some replacements in it to make it safe, then load back the holded string < 1385326239 973489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed can detect end of string while thue cannot; i think this is the essential difference to some things. < 1385326250 590384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beginning and/or end < 1385326332 397332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well regexes are much more powerful in other ways too. < 1385326408 180667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sed is also more convenient < 1385326427 545401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e.g. see the discussion on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Thue#Challenging_Problem < 1385326430 767668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has match wildcards and can copy parts of the matched string to the replacement < 1385326441 157558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the limitation that only the first nine parenthesis can be copied) < 1385326451 9341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/parenthesis/parenthesis group/ < 1385326470 932126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1385327469 872164 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder why dc's ? executes the input rather than pushing it to the stack... < 1385327499 670401 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter seems like it'd be more useful, and executing it is as easy as applying x to it anyway < 1385327504 511250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's designed for interactive use, not as a programming language < 1385327567 419382 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385327590 412906 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1385327608 567531 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it foils my code-golfing plans, though < 1385327787 499684 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385328070 20702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what did you want to golf? < 1385328137 646732 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nothing in particular. I just thought dc seemed like it'd be neat for golfing < 1385328217 252403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385328338 211436 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385328421 453718 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385328440 543040 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385328675 314895 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385328732 644440 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385328945 755457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385329337 266828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps a message on [[User talk:Lucasieks]] is warranted < 1385329358 935193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will if he does that more, I'm too apathetic right now < 1385329391 270080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1385329587 742250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1385329645 494434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385329844 609010 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Yomi cards? I have made up three new decks of Yomi cards. < 1385329884 849472 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ffb2e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385330227 3871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? I don't even know what that is < 1385330283 111035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it is. < 1385330309 498261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I found that even if I don't try to golf in it, it ends up looking like an unreadable golfed program anyway < 1385330337 145077 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: assuming you don't need to input things that aren't numbers or bracket-encompassed strings? < 1385330347 124992 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/input things/read things from input/ < 1385330347 334846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, well yea < 1385330358 182355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam is advertising a pre-purchase option of "Professional Farmer 2014" to me. < 1385330358 340578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly used it to perform math from shell scripts < 1385330367 475038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1385330376 551102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20% off! < 1385330392 929727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tractors And Farm Machines Get Your Farm Up And Running The PC simulator "Professional Farmer 2014" takes the player to the countryside and gives hobby farmers full control in the comfort of their home." < 1385330424 943053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood the craze for farming simulators < 1385330436 548241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor truck simulators either. < 1385330446 168230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is like the ultra-realistic "flight simulator" end of farming simulators. < 1385330452 696017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Farmville and such are at the opposite side. < 1385330453 160189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1385330476 535125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good Ol’ Times DLC: 7 additional, historical Tractor models for Professional Farmer 2014." < 1385330497 376825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Included in the Collector's Edition, of course. < 1385330505 834052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1385330512 801798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don < 1385330521 942362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why you would want to simulate farming < 1385330530 444631 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big machinery. < 1385330546 622638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with 15 extra manure options! < 1385330574 239968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes but tractors? Combine harvesters? Really? < 1385330593 307389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you simulate mining and crafting < 1385330613 209869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Agricultural Simulator 2013"'s "Key Features" include a freely placeable "Dung Tank". < 1385330618 582658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, alas, minecraft is not much of a simulation. It is way to "gameified" for that. < 1385330634 683876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is for the better I would say < 1385330641 774813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, it is for the better < 1385330693 732368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just got z-buffer fighting in a 2D program. That was weird. < 1385330705 817535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that < 1385330711 469484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very very strange < 1385330848 87661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the farm thing makes as much sense as the train thing, which I at least can somewhat understand. < 1385330865 104497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so < 1385330880 487133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flight sims and space sims I can see some point in. Especially space sims. < 1385330885 401447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can only understand train simulations for doing logic in them. < 1385330911 378876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was OpenTTD, which is far from a train sim, again way too "gameified". < 1385330918 274995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How about game development simulators? < 1385330943 335593 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION the rural guy stands by and stares sidelong at Vorpal.
< 1385330944 854266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yeah I heard of that, Haven't checked it out though. Somewhat of a management game iirc? < 1385330961 898485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So I've understood. I only know of it because of the piracy thing. < 1385330991 530999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, not really interested in management games, so meh, couldn't care less. < 1385331034 860637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The pirated version has a tweak that, after some amount of time, people start to pirate all your games and your company will pretty much unavoidably tank, plus a guilt-trip message.) < 1385331073 269232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1385331191 771598 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Zawinski&diff=582900523&oldid=prev need a source, stat < 1385331265 502549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the bouncing cow screensaver?? < 1385331266 611282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "man bouncingcow" says "Author: Jamie Zawinski", FWIW. < 1385331279 443272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Part of XScreenSaver. < 1385331288 351042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, don't have that installed < 1385331294 373961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just blank the screen instead < 1385331310 532499 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is a rural guy? < 1385331315 943795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen the point of screensavers that don't save the screen by turning it off or blacking it out. < 1385331417 37648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the point is that they're both pretty to look at, and still functional at avoiding burn-in. < 1385331495 890326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I guess screensavers make more sense now again when there is OLED? I never heard of burn in with TN or IPS < 1385331599 427270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many technologies nowdays... TN, IPS, MVA, PLS, PVA... < 1385331631 845697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be that the only ones you ever heard about were CRT, TN and maybe IPS. < 1385331644 195881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon they'll run out of TLAs < 1385331782 775547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Wikipedia already lists AFFS as a screen technology, so they started early on that < 1385331804 904281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1385331809 251516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and there is also OLED I guess. < 1385331813 892516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AMOLED < 1385331840 148795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAMOL'ED < 1385331906 119379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I don't think each monitor around me has a different technology. Well okay not quite. There are three TN monitors with the laptops included, but apart from that I have one IPS, one AMOLED and one "Super PLS" < 1385331940 731087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 TN with the laptops included. I forgot the old first model ibook in the bookshelf. < 1385331982 271180 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: why, i live in the lentil capitol of the world < 1385332003 518126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, where is that? < 1385332029 145680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman,_Washington < 1385332032 612699 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fucking festivavl < 1385332043 233170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385332062 432976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hey that isn't rural. 29799 inhabitants is quite respectable < 1385332070 784419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a small city by Swedish measurements. < 1385332086 675659 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small city by american measurements, and are you saying small towns aren't 'respectable'! < 1385332112 264096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in a city that has a population of ~20000 < 1385332133 689802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find up-to-date numbers on the web alas < 1385332136 783754 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's surrounded by farms and shit, is the point < 1385332142 683083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385332146 716900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: *capital < 1385332148 330535 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the university has seed storehouses < 1385332153 442662 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: capitil < 1385332167 253552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah I have like 300 m away to the closest field < 1385332172 36193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a city dweller < 1385332223 867201 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys are funny < 1385332234 941412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, hm? < 1385332235 472245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be that close to a field too, although it was a pretty isolated one < 1385332242 97303 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, i ain't gonna argue about my rurality penis. < 1385332249 157164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no pun here) < 1385332255 337030 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I respect your rurality penis < 1385332267 179967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, I commute daily to a city with around 200000 inhabitants < 1385332271 542245 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, mrhmouse < 1385332304 79362 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to highschool here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excel,_Alabama but I grew up about fifteen miles from there (and it was the closest town) < 1385332312 895997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh I just live near the edge of the city. < 1385332332 365008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excel, Alabama, twinned with Word, Germany and PowerPoint, Iran < 1385332335 473164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, did they use MS Office? < 1385332335 700763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the spot i'm living in now may have been a field before this year. < 1385332340 168293 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385332343 732041 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have busing? < 1385332343 889691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit < 1385332371 713845 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we did not have buses. Yes, I have heard the Office joke before. < 1385332379 6727 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Many. Before. < 1385332396 355313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? No buses? < 1385332398 963539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all? < 1385332402 850823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaat? < 1385332408 947207 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal you're not american are you < 1385332434 484192 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had busing at my school but for the people up in the hills it took like an hour so that fucking sucked < 1385332436 416716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, sure you may not have city buses, but there are always inter-city buses going through even the tiniest places... < 1385332445 503120 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you mean school buses? < 1385332448 498502 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1385332455 230240 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We didn't have either of those < 1385332482 318077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the city I live in is served by a couple of inter-city lines, and it has one city bus line. Which runs like 4 times per day admittedly. < 1385332484 378860 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Ah, we did have school buses. I was the last to get off on my route and the first to get on. The bus arrived at 5:30AM and dropped me off at 4:30PM < 1385332485 702443 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's public busing in my hometown (not pullman) but it's like an hour walk from my house to the nearest stop, so, fuck < 1385332491 796754 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :School ended at 3:00PM < 1385332496 616863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you lived in the hills? talk about rural < 1385332506 912957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the city I work in has maybe 10-20 city bus lines. < 1385332514 615134 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, these hills are the weed capitol of the world, probably < 1385332518 281384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what about commuter trains? < 1385332524 158071 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol. < 1385332537 363617 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385332544 91320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1385332555 574925 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: for a second i thought you meant the bus ride took eleven hours < 1385332571 656990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I have like a 5 minute walk to the train station. < 1385332585 380651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I live pretty close to it yes < 1385332589 321330 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385332600 80588 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: commuter trains in the US are a joke. < 1385332608 986366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385332613 116833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad < 1385332631 487734 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the light rail in portland is actually pretty good, but that's a twenty mile drive from here and it doesn't cross state lines because of hilarious politicking. < 1385332642 81979 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty minute* < 1385332644 670043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1385332655 37495 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the city of 100kish i was born in had one intercity bus in each direction per day. smaller cities will typically have nothing at all. < 1385332666 436167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, wow < 1385332666 594333 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for long distance rail, well, lolamtrak < 1385332681 455952 :evalj!~jeval@BC064076.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385332685 140089 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pullman has pretty alright public busing, but that's because it's full of undergrads with no cars. < 1385332708 97616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hey, I've used the Portland Light Rail! (Admittedly only for airport to hotel to airport.) < 1385332715 85514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If that's the "MAX" thing. < 1385332723 129661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, I work in a city of around 200k. It has around 10-20 city lines. And a whole bunch of intercity lines going all over the county (since it is the hub of the county as it were). < 1385332723 496076 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, max. < 1385332744 587506 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if a bus is passing through on the highway it won't bother getting off for a town of less than like 20k < 1385332753 773424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it is bad there too? Lots of delays and issues with winter weather and so on? < 1385332779 100632 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ffb2e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385332789 519823 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what bad, the light rail? < 1385332803 20427 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the city of 100k actually had like 8 city bus lines, that ran circuitously once an hour. though there are larger cities in the US with no public transit. < 1385332807 252365 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so the answer is "i don't know, i don't use it" but thankfully trainnerds are here to help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAX_Light_Rail < 1385332836 566955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, the bus line from where I live to where I work is weird. It goes like 5 different routes during different times of the day. All using the same line number. The time table has a crazy number of footnotes to represent this. < 1385332843 237050 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it goes to g or k < 1385332853 390976 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where are you? < 1385332856 937392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden < 1385332882 398723 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're within a few hours of a major city in the US things are better < 1385332889 387433 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me, i'm gonna have to take greyhound back to pullman. pray for me. < 1385332915 818167 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are buses to a lot of pretty nowhere places in New Jersey because people from there want to get to NYC without having to park in NYC < 1385332919 469003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't people get stabbed and eaten on greyhounds < 1385332925 367400 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, eh what is a major city by your definition? Remember Sweden as a whole has ~9.5 million inhabitants < 1385332953 17267 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think that was actually in canada. < 1385332964 665935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a greyhound in this context? Dog sled??? XD < 1385332968 611971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bus < 1385332973 733354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern4google < 1385332976 820012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How boring < 1385332978 526695 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern 4. < 1385332983 245386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall someone pointing out the other day all of norway has fewer inhabitants than birmingham. < 1385332988 135821 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean here, this will probably be less boring. < 1385333019 515546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: All of Norway has fewer inhabitants than Finland. < 1385333024 367957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch < 1385333045 156430 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, Portland OR or Pittsburgh are just about large enough to have this effect, and are comparable in urban area population to Stockholm < 1385333046 177298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Finland has like 7 million right? < 1385333048 80612 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, five million. i think my metro area might have more than that. < 1385333049 783467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buses with toilets?? < 1385333055 1966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have never been on a bus that goes very far < 1385333055 268835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh dear < 1385333061 452095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 5.4 < 1385333066 387302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that birmingham guy was completely wrong. < 1385333075 858921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, it's only barely above Norway. < 1385333084 676043 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole SYSTEM is wrong, man < 1385333086 486662 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham used to have about a million inhabitants, it's probably more now < 1385333104 160178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385333108 641576 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, portland metro is under 2.5 million < 1385333111 660466 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a norway < 1385333121 559074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, hi! Also interesting name < 1385333127 937964 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The family of Tim McLean have brought a [[lawsuit]] of [[Canadian dollar|$]]150,000 [...]" that is a good secret wikilink < 1385333133 755437 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is my /dev/null/nethack clantag < 1385333135 913392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Half a Norway in the subway at the same time?!" < 1385333139 886668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385333159 144400 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying < 1385333178 815630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we just passed 5 millions the other ...february, but i'm not sure if it was this year. < 1385333183 92279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god. That is way too many Norwegians to comprehend < 1385333183 946284 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. i meant 'metro' like 'metro area', not 'metropolitan train' < 1385333203 877510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the taking of norhelm 1-2-3 < 1385333249 261773 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :re portland light rail, it works alright but is nothing special < 1385333258 489495 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to poke along in mixed traffic waiting at stoplights downtown < 1385333272 77085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light rail? Is that like trams? < 1385333276 403618 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385333284 692487 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"light rail" means a tram built after 1960 < 1385333290 795611 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1385333297 54327 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1385333314 734235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh according to WP it is not quite the same < 1385333317 980647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to Helsinki's trams, the MAX trains felt a tiny bit more train-ish, but not by very much. At least from a subjective, non-expert viewpoint. < 1385333322 594222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to figure out what the different is though < 1385333348 686682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conversely, LRVs generally outperform traditional streetcars in terms of capacity and top-end speed, and almost all modern LRVs are capable of multiple-unit operation. Particularly on exclusive rights-of-way, LRVs can provide much higher speeds and passenger volumes than a traditional streetcar.[citation needed] Thus a single-unit streetcar capable of only 70 kilometres per hour (43 mph) operating on a < 1385333348 844443 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : shared right of way is not generally considered "light rail".[citation needed] The latest generation of LRVs is considerably larger and faster, typically 29 metres (95 ft) long with a maximum speed of around 105 kilometres per hour (65 mph).[19]" < 1385333383 986704 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so, if it just runs in the street in mixed traffic with cars it's dubious to call it light rail (portland has a line that does that and they just call it "streetcar") < 1385333385 451661 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff, i don't think a max train has ever gone that fast < 1385333390 457423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :LRV being light rail vehicle < 1385333422 247493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, is that a question? Because I don't know the answer to that question < 1385333432 232131 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's anything even slightly better than mixed-traffic-in-the-street-like-a-bus-on-rails, it will be called light rail < 1385333444 219561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, they're at the moment introducing (test driving) new trams in Helsinki. < 1385333448 879908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half of the pictures on this page looks like proper railways to me, and half look like trams < 1385333449 884768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1385333458 809564 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for political/marketing reasons, regardless of anybody's attempt to make stricter technical definitions of "light rail" < 1385333506 744350 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, the idea of light rail when done optimally is that you run like a proper railway when you can and like a street tram otherwise < 1385333533 788099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385333550 148932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_tram#Future_acquisitions "Two new trams are start test runs in line service in 2013, and --" some train nerd should go update that, they've already started. < 1385333574 325732 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385333588 210203 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the city max is like buses, but it runs outside the city too, where it's more trainy < 1385333605 601486 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside downtown, whatever < 1385333621 385559 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example if you have a disused railway line that doesn't make it to the city centre, you use that and then use street tracks to get it the rest of the way < 1385333675 363275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385333698 199627 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vorpal: what cities are you familiar with? i can probably come up with a european example) < 1385333735 255952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, Stockholm and Gothenburg < 1385333748 479877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :One has a metro the other has proper trams < 1385333760 174536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That definitely runs in the street < 1385333765 533901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly noisy and old < 1385333808 3987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, god damn, these things still run. No wonder they are so noisy, given the year of that image... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tram_in_Gothenburgh_1963.jpg < 1385333832 82784 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway Portland is mostly like what i described above (except sometimes the middle of a freeway instead of a disused railway) < 1385333844 691770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385333878 436388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still some built-in-the-70s trams working in the Helsinki system. < 1385333884 834631 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand maybe you have downtown streets that are small and full of traffic, but wide fast streets further out, in which case you build a tunnel downtown but then run in the street further out to save tunnelling costs < 1385333887 189991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a couple of museum pieces, but those don't count. < 1385333899 363428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When Sweden’s switch to right-hand traffic in 1967 made existing unidirectional trams obsolete, Gothenburg was one of only two cities in Sweden to maintain its city-centre tramway, the other such network to survive being the Norrköping tramway." < 1385333903 68881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I didn't know that < 1385333912 396186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explains why they are so rare here then < 1385333959 764980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly just buses nowdays. The city buses in the city I work in runs on biogas though. < 1385333971 310914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've got six 1962-1964 trams also used as "backup" when necessary. < 1385333981 531317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read about there being electric buses in Karlskrona or something < 1385334012 135706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the oldest of the "museum" trams is originally from 1917, though it's been renovated. < 1385334015 643058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385334032 835562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one's just a replica. Aw. :/ < 1385334058 879952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1955 one is a touched-up original, though. < 1385334083 749201 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport_in_Stockholm#Light_rail_and_tram < 1385334189 246302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, pretty sure that Stockholm has underground metro and buses exclusively in the city center. And that one tram line yes. < 1385334199 207925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that those all end up in "-banan" (banana) always amuses me. I tend to pronounce it like the fruit. < 1385334204 712332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metro goes above ground in some outlying regions though < 1385334239 777109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, but it *never* goes on normal streets. That would be super-dangerous since it uses a third rail system rather than overhead electrification. < 1385334245 583677 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing considers the nockebybanan, lidingöbanan and tvärbanan to be light rail < 1385334258 352000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (horse) race track nearby here has a "Travbanan ->" sign pointing at it. < 1385334260 67245 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though only the last seems to have significant street running < 1385334271 60839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, this is different < 1385334272 71070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385334288 617134 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those three are all a ways out from the centre < 1385334293 103304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stockholm metro, aka "tunnel banana". < 1385334306 528301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been on tvärbanan < 1385334326 307170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess that is light rail yes < 1385334376 101697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Near Liljeholmen the track is shared with freight traffic in a short section, this being the only place in Sweden where freight and electric trains share the same track." < 1385334380 627772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :About tvärbanan < 1385334385 553896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Really? < 1385334387 347141 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: swedes sometimes intentionally prononce it as such, too < 1385334405 797115 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or rather, some of my friends do, at least < 1385334419 890627 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pun, I mean < 1385334434 513608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a longstanding plan to build a "proper" light rail system in Helsinki, but so far they've just managed to paint some buses orange. < 1385334442 538341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live a couple of hundred meters from the regular railroad. It is electrified. It has inter city, commuter and freight trains < 1385334450 505213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have no clue what that WP article meant < 1385334461 527675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it meant "light rail and freight" or something like that < 1385334519 133803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the Helsinki region, there are also other plans to expand the network, through a larger project called Jokeri ("The Joker", after the playing card). This planned expansion, if constructed, would be the first real light rail line in Helsinki, and would involve the conversion of the current Jokeri bus line, line 550, into a cross city tramway similar to Stockholm's Tvärbanan." Heh, they're ... < 1385334525 195104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... referring to that. < 1385334546 528003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(550 is the bus line with the orange buses.) < 1385334590 704266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as long as Batman doesn't get wind of it, that would work fine. < 1385334608 860900 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that roslagsbanan is the only narrow-gauge track in regular use in Sweden? < 1385334640 715069 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, "light rail" is a marketing term that gets applied to things ranging from "only slightly less crappy than a mixed traffic streetcar" to "only slightly crappier than a full underground high-capacity metro" < 1385334682 568714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, heh, it is DC too, not AC < 1385334685 438639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty weird < 1385334710 671607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Motorerna är trefas asynkronmotorer som matas med växelström. I varje motorvagn finns en s.k. traktionsomriktare som omvandlar likströmmen i kontaktledningen (1500 V) till växelström för motorerna. Motoreffekten är 400 kW." < 1385334726 840947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm, where in sweden do you live? < 1385334741 763497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, i Örebros omnejd < 1385334747 663858 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, as boily would say, what are your approximate coördinates? < 1385334749 940075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1385334771 579107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you? < 1385334790 351516 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm suburb < 1385334796 326892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385334828 36052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, never liked Stockholm. Way too big. At least it isn't as bad as Gothenburg when driving. Bloody one way streets over there... < 1385334860 722138 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've heard driving in Lund is like a labyrinth due to one-way roads < 1385334870 666602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember our plans right, we're probably going to be passing through Örebro sometime next summer. < 1385334871 188619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been there < 1385334902 317228 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gothenburg is pretty much a mesh (and mess) of one-way streets, trams, tunnels and highways. Also a lot of hills. A LOT of hills. < 1385334923 870010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh. Nice. < 1385334939 43308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much to see really. Pretty boring city < 1385334940 309863 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Lund is completely flat < 1385334947 216983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, so like Örebro then < 1385334983 755886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I live near like the only hill within kilometers. Actually an "ås" whatever that is in English < 1385335011 969336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not very high. Maybe a total of 5-10 meters above the rest of the plains here < 1385335019 871304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've said this before, but) trams are one of the traditional "gotcha" questions in the Finnish driver's license theory exam, because they have some right-of-way exceptions. (Usually in the form that there's a picture of a scene, a question on right-of-way, and a tram partially hidden behind a bush.) < 1385335025 385302 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do people commonly answer boily like "40.80, -73.94"? < 1385335044 336927 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: something like that < 1385335060 856801 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: usually accompanied with approximate body weigh, too < 1385335084 946893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: It's all a part of a project to calculate the center of mass of the channel, you see. < 1385335104 934276 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is conjectured to lie in Hexham < 1385335120 48310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Under Hexham" sounds more likely. < 1385335120 316655 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :90kg or a bit less < 1385335146 973317 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i move around a lot though < 1385335231 539990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fed those numbers in maps.google, and it's like right next to "Best Hair & Nail Salon" -- a shame that's not Real Fast Nora's. < 1385335290 807412 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try to figure out my average position over the past year < 1385335341 51125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't remember any tram stuff in the driving license stuff, but out of pure survival instinct I would probably give any tram right of way < 1385335390 34184 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stayed at (37.77, -122.40) for a while < 1385335418 704278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've worked around that problem by not having a driver license < 1385335426 757985 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving* < 1385335433 119389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :an < 1385335440 361169 :an!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1385335441 314446 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385335461 40031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would generally be the correct answer here, too. (Though usually the point is that, given the limited time, you'd look at the otherwise plausible scenario and answer based on that, instead of noticing the semi-hidden tram.) < 1385335482 32213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385335500 210045 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Lexande, near Lexington Avenue? seems.. fitting < 1385335514 592165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the "trams have right-of-way no matter what their approach direction" exception doesn't -- as far as I know, anyway -- override explicit right-of-way signage.) < 1385335563 627385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385335583 64881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1385335594 371076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: You stayed inside a "Budget Truck Rental" building for a while? Well, whatever floats your truck, I guess. < 1385335603 268474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, yes, "approximate".) < 1385335645 750165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385335653 367931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also coordinate systems suck. < 1385335675 669672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385335683 356971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what happens if you answer all the questions based on the assumption that there might be a tram hidden somewhere you don't see < 1385335728 589889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probably they'll ask you to try again after studying a bit more. < 1385335748 800903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at code for converting from whatever NMEA gives you (WGS iirc) to various local coordinate systems and so on. What a confusing mess that is. < 1385335750 353666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bloody examinators < 1385335757 389803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: From what I recall, it's mostly multiple-choice stuff, so you don't get to explain your reasoning. < 1385335781 593615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1385335791 454869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this is a plot to end humanity. < 1385335806 439988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the evil trams. < 1385335864 317875 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385335945 641242 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the most amusing place i stayed this year was -36.836, 174.751 or so < 1385335997 155304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, i was assuming we were going to project the actual centroid to the nearest point on the sphere < 1385336066 155439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: There is no sphere. Also, I've completely forgotten what the center of mass was for, really. < 1385336094 992849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure there is. "the surface of the earth as approximated by a sphere" is a definitely a sphere < 1385336097 548489 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: on a boat? < 1385336101 626515 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1385336132 902841 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that some friends had sailed there from san diego) < 1385336148 676108 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1385336185 713814 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what are your approximate coördinates? < 1385336227 14154 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approx. 59,204, 17,89 < 1385336258 664397 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get commas as decimal points because apparently Google Maps felt like localising them < 1385336321 663915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We could not understand the location 59,204, 17,89" it also doesn't feel like delocalizing. < 1385336644 961982 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do you use a comma to separate numbers? < 1385336654 924454 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not as the radix < 1385336676 599145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 000 000,00 < 1385336682 707680 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm european and write comma tuples as (3,4; 5,6) < 1385336690 534567 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that seems better < 1385336706 282271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what we use too < 1385336707 346250 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the SI standard specifies to use spaces to group digits. < 1385336726 63203 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw somewhere a suggestion to use half-width non-breaking spaces < 1385336733 389868 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't even know how to type that < 1385336742 238284 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, it's a mix between (3,4; 5,6), (3.4, 5.6) or (3,4, 5,6) < 1385336748 607128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it's clear what is meant, anyway < 1385336767 229069 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: OpenFormula uses ; as the argument separator everywhere in order to avoid localisation problems if commas are part of the numeric syntax < 1385336796 40236 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use . as the radix point and nothing as digit grouping. < 1385336811 537157 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use . as radix point and spaces to group digits < 1385336826 404730 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use , as radix point when writing by hand, though < 1385336853 761977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using , as a radix point feels weird, though it is also the Finnish way. < 1385336878 477252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for doing calculations by hand? < 1385336888 591220 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up with using , there, so I guess that's why it's stuck < 1385336906 466023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe by hand it's less weird. < 1385336916 866178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I've been written that many decimal numbers by hand lately. < 1385337175 309258 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385337179 749445 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385337199 612158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTR #20 recommends U+2009 THIN SPACE between decimal digits and following fractions, "as in 1 ¾". < 1385337312 857506 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+200A HAIR'S BREATH SPACE, U+200B SHADOW WIDTH SPACE, U+200C PLANCK SPACE < 1385337360 99902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode '⎖' # this also exists, not sure what for < 1385337362 2045 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2396 DECIMAL SEPARATOR KEY SYMBOL] < 1385337473 704208 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode U+200C < 1385337475 301534 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385337481 245664 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385337491 273959 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "\u200c" | unidecode < 1385337493 173415 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385337500 914335 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero width non-joiner, apparently < 1385337515 492851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ‌ < 1385337515 822723 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat $(which unicode) < 1385337516 849655 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+200C ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER] < 1385337517 176377 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- \ import sys \ import unicodedata \ try: \ print u''.join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8') \ except KeyError: \ print u'Unknown character.' < 1385337538 381400 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so i have no idea how it works. < 1385337543 102056 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER < 1385337544 785651 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​‌ < 1385337548 421341 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 200c < 1385337549 868839 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385337553 522005 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rats < 1385337563 677362 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In trying to turn off SafeSearch, a setting on a web form, I rendered my system unbootable < 1385337618 677580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries very hard to keep you safe < 1385337740 404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can that even < 1385337809 875019 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: basically because it originally didn't work due to running an outdated version of Firefox, the reason he was running an outdated version of Firefox was that he hadn't updated in a really long time, and his sources.list had a mix of Ubuntu and Debian repositories for some reason < 1385337831 666776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The worst part was, everyone kept saying “oh yeah — there’s a comic about that; have you read it?" < 1385337861 298679 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385337863 485127 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385337864 824280 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoist by his own petard < 1385337868 178896 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last part was the root cause, I guess; trying to change the SafeSearch setting was just the trigger < 1385337902 829362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoist by his own mustard < 1385338088 324135 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385338256 712482 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385338309 674181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385338333 489353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385338350 321193 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385338789 906663 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385338795 41272 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385338808 905375 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385338811 351109 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385338813 778454 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385339626 837235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: unidecode looks at sys.argv so piping to it does not work. < 1385339629 295994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(/usr/bin/printf '\u200c') < 1385339631 198829 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+200C ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER] < 1385339653 857070 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am just unsure of which direction is encoding and which is decoding < 1385339747 894680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh, sorry, it was ais523 who piped to unidecode. (Which really probably should look at stdin if given no arguments.) < 1385340393 827581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385340771 303684 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385341180 423841 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\u200c\0' | xargs -0 unidecode < 1385341182 457041 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] [U+0075 LATIN SMALL LETTER U] [U+0032 DIGIT TWO] [U+0030 DIGIT ZERO] [U+0030 DIGIT ZERO] [U+0063 LATIN SMALL LETTER C] < 1385341198 313486 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes fist at moronic printf
< 1385341203 548186 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /usr/bin/printf '\u200c\0' | xargs -0 unidecode < 1385341205 512860 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+200C ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER] < 1385341235 896577 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/printf.html < 1385341246 979850 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, no \u there. < 1385341259 302559 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permitted, not required. < 1385341350 305839 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 NICK :benaT < 1385341585 278140 :benaT!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 NICK :Taneb < 1385341674 765144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf nice, someone else finished cleaning up the Peter Johnstone mess < 1385341674 922995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385342098 311754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: zomg who < 1385342116 651555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx StAnselm < 1385342135 206982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lead < 1385342135 364745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7m 40s ago: nice, someone else finished cleaning up the Peter Johnstone mess < 1385342437 962432 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385342580 26737 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385342704 116453 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_sofa_problem new favorite problem < 1385342707 842286 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sofa constant" < 1385342844 138148 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pity you can't get to infinity with some sort of fractal sofa < 1385342852 774087 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although people should actually make sofas that shape < 1385342868 280737 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually having tried similar problems in real life, three dimensions tend to be involved < 1385342873 410592 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can make things still more interesting < 1385342911 56645 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno how fractals would help, it's still gotta be a rigid body... < 1385342960 161501 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you know, i think if you had one person on each end you could actually move a sofa like in the gif < 1385342976 867025 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a perfectly frictionless sofa, which admittedly wouldn't be good for sitting < 1385343016 167171 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it doesn't need to be frictionless on the top < 1385343020 312760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote assuming a perfectly frictionless sofa, which admittedly wouldn't be good for sitting < 1385343024 461397 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1137) assuming a perfectly frictionless sofa, which admittedly wouldn't be good for sitting < 1385343025 381416 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good point! < 1385343026 651482 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd only need to be frictionless round the edges, and low enough friction on the bottom that it would roll < 1385343039 934194 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the friction on the bottom can be positive just so long as you're strong enough to move it) < 1385343175 847242 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for my paper, "New Bounds on a Physically Realistic Deidealization of the Moving Sofa Problem, with Applications to U-HAUL" < 1385343297 854238 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-can-remember-exactly-where-he-was-what-he,34647/?ref=butt < 1385343699 299833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we heartily thank urbandictionary for their explanation of the term "u-haul". < 1385343759 857693 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have just used wikipedia < 1385343802 857855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used google and couldn't avoid noticing that hit < 1385344537 668377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385345093 451147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deidealization < 1385345095 856517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good word < 1385345150 767367 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's me, making shit up since nineteen ninety something < 1385345291 406502 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-53-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385345425 745603 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385345427 334850 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-53-86.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385345849 448862 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-12.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385345934 445855 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385346036 434168 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-88-149.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385346445 299589 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-88-149.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385346499 82313 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385346531 364049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385347033 285979 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-12.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385347332 100760 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385347897 690819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385352294 92729 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385353085 768736 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“only uploading it to show that the PC Speaker can actually sound good.” http://youtu.be/wyXBESSgakM < 1385355451 454101 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385356137 537155 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1385356213 465614 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1385356364 269470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kmc < 1385356366 563452 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1385356378 813888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to california < 1385357009 422174 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385361729 923719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried making a text adventure game involving things in my dream, although it can be expanded with things in other people's dream too. For now when it starts you get to pick one of three characters; you and anyone else may provide additional things, and then it can be more than that, and more location, situation, puzzles, too. < 1385361874 346388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: please make it out of mnoqy's dreams thx < 1385361932 367916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can try. Although I started such thing I actually only made one room so far and a few properties and the starting simply to test my OASYS clone written in QBASIC. Probably the later one would be rewritten and using collaborative if that would help, too. < 1385361945 466857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have those ideas, please be more specific! It might interest. < 1385363510 266413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe you should get a programming bit in an existing mud (multi-player online open-ended text adventure world) and implement your dream there? < 1385363870 852854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I do have that already. < 1385363877 212715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1385363923 159125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I programmed it in so that you can fight me and stuff too < 1385363976 82281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the winner is currently decided at random < 1385364072 584411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ "Money is important" I think it is, and no wonder that the. For tax increase of consumption tax recently, it has been making noise well. I would not be 8% and 3% increase in April 2014. Action we can take is two main. First, that "give up". This enclosed the belly and can not be helped anymore, Get a salary upgrade Good luck work. ]] -- recent spam through Google translate. < 1385364075 503680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own 176 objects on ifMUD already (see ifmud.org:4000 my apartment is room 11011) < 1385364581 915900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I also intend to make single-player Z-machine story files too < 1385364611 397089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385364885 994884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Have you made up such a game too? < 1385364935 796929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385364972 789745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried some mud at one point but it seems it's not really my world < 1385365202 446078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1385365247 155874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my stuff though? < 1385365254 540335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385365393 388329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make any standalones though that don't use internet? < 1385365418 589758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I'm starting to contribute to a non-mud game these days < 1385365434 873726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently mostly just testing and filing bug reports and reading source, < 1385365441 101330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should try writing more serious patches these days < 1385365446 46699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What games? < 1385365451 222283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nethack variant nethack4 < 1385365457 324900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see #nethack4 < 1385365511 859806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up various computer games using QBASIC, and other things < 1385365704 114081 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://academictree.org/theology/tree.php?pid=59492 < 1385365854 442211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Unsetting the zoned flag.] Field cleared. You drop leech. You drop pencil. You drop Imakuni?'s Card. You drop moldy scroll. You drop 69105-dimensional mapping tool. You drop Fanucci deck. You drop psychic channel computer. You drop list of people who read this list. You drop strange key. You drop room tester. You drop book. You drop key. You are not carrying that. You are not carrying that. < 1385365943 65140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the kind of things it displays to me when I am attacked by another player. (I don't know why it says "You are not carrying that." twice.) < 1385366056 234976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H1gRQ6S7gg "Now we destroy a castle with cannonball." < 1385366085 549692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't very important though; other people will not see that message.) < 1385366235 992907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: snazzy. too bad the movie looks dull. < 1385366307 61717 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is some intense plowing < 1385366321 81955 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385366724 775840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could have made a fancier video. Esp. the narration. But still, simulated snow. < 1385367263 805149 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385367472 645189 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385368402 513339 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people at the con didn't notice him, he just walked around, sweeping things http://imgur.com/gallery/0TWF1nJ < 1385368417 508483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :True or false: What is the bus driver's name? < 1385368459 530546 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1385368577 707372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is the square root of your godfather's telephone number (without trying to calculate it)? < 1385368654 794143 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, i’m not in the mafia. < 1385368681 647427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people in the mafia figure it out ahead of time, or are told by other people, or something? < 1385368729 709854 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are very much into knowing the square root of everything. < 1385371947 318218 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently patashu is a vihart fan. < 1385371988 112931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thinks computation in base 2 is easier than computation with e < 1385372211 176648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of computation is meant? < 1385372283 604437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, why do I recognize the nick Patashu? < 1385372417 57239 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like Pikachu < 1385372654 515881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: From #esoteric, I would suppose. < 1385372761 923459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Patashu ever < 1385372768 86740 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-06-24 23:33:06: I am a continuous chess armchair theorist < 1385372849 500118 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1385372870 115997 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is “ever” not the default? < 1385372885 278463 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, why even have such a parameter? < 1385372924 220855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it takes a terribly long time to scan through all the logs. < 1385372947 469777 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385372953 702506 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s not the answer to my question. That’s the answer to “why do we use indexes?” < 1385372955 556887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 seconds in my query beforehand; caching is probably responsible for the above happening in six. < 1385372999 506886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would presumably involve updating the index every time `seen is used, which is really rarely, too. < 1385373086 989882 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indices should be updated simultaneously with log updates, not searches. < 1385373108 422405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not doable without touching HackEgo itself. < 1385373117 328168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about, storing in a SQL database and then using CREATE INDEX to do it; that way you can make various kind of search/query/statistics, especially if extensions are written. < 1385373998 137457 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385374096 546488 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385374335 911052 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385375508 348358 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385375786 144739 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385376873 19320 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385377010 931170 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385377037 308993 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mame/quine-relay < 1385377871 712367 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385377893 384250 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1385377893 578528 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385378120 115053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385378373 371126 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385378489 47751 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385379045 684803 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385379050 22136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385379244 219521 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385380194 375517 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385380352 679038 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385381573 787363 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385381735 893436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/seen < 1385381737 509273 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/seen < 1385381846 988208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1385381984 54421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's partly my fault. :/ < 1385382001 624251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it might be entirely my fault. < 1385382077 753546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just wondering, does it check the files in reverse order? < 1385382107 236115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, due to "ls -r". < 1385382143 242075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And only the 30 latest without "ever".) < 1385382165 345256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or did you mean within the files? < 1385382225 302960 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385382243 445464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i don't think that would be important. < 1385382268 236571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen oerjan < 1385382272 45631 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-11-25 12:24:28: `seen oerjan < 1385382279 455883 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385382392 296827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was theoretically thinking, it should be possible to make a digest of files that leaves out every line that _isn't_ the last by that nick. < 1385382499 673795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just replace the ls'ed files older than a certain date by those. < 1385382624 633440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not worth the bother. < 1385382783 669566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is slightly annoyed that stackoverflow has no obvious shortcut to get to his favorite tag(s)
< 1385383058 798793 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385383080 583741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, sort -u compares the whole line, not only the key. < 1385383347 52708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what if you add -s ? < 1385383555 400187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it works without -s for me. < 1385383619 900419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo 'test';echo 'testing'; echo 'ho') | sort -u -k1.1,1.3 < 1385383621 410139 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho \ test < 1385383737 330349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ^ < 1385383762 860413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo 'testing';echo 'test'; echo 'ho') | sort -u -k1.1,1.3 < 1385383764 281650 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho \ testing < 1385384379 803906 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (==)<*>reverse$"hi" < 1385384380 854313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1385384382 684054 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (==)<*>reverse$"hih" < 1385384383 730012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1385384696 373819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385384754 732391 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good cryogenic morning! < 1385384758 697388 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385384800 459744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385384801 190635 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: help I want to opimize some code I wrote but I can't until I get home tonight < 1385384844 763246 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. what kind of code is that? < 1385384885 151765 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even code that particularly needs optimizing < 1385384899 633847 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find the largest palindrome that is the product of 4 2-digit numbers < 1385384902 734817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo 1 2; echo 1 3; echo 2 4) | sort -k1 -u < 1385384904 399239 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 \ 1 3 \ 2 4 < 1385384911 992616 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code does it in .6 of a second < 1385384918 326270 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo a b; echo a c; echo b d) | sort -k1 -u < 1385384919 923246 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b \ a c \ b d < 1385384925 255992 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend's does it in .006, apparently < 1385384961 975352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo a b; echo a c; echo b c) | sort -k2 -u < 1385384963 542252 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b \ a c < 1385384969 446116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm confused :) < 1385384970 730248 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can I peek at your code? sounds interestoptimising. < 1385384984 896094 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: unfortunately my code is at home < 1385385004 585776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so the want to optimise it, but being unable to. I understand too well that urge. < 1385385011 978268 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm writing in Haskell and he's writing in C and we're timing it using different methods) < 1385385038 829257 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so he's not taking into account startup or printing) < 1385385039 559349 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo a b; echo a c; echo b c) | sort -k1,1 -u < 1385385041 94855 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b \ b c < 1385385052 526166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it looks more and more like a bug :) < 1385385082 488920 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: compile to binary, “time ./whatever”? < 1385385088 730530 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm doing < 1385385097 32128 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His code is doing it within the program < 1385385105 993907 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.strictfp.com/39615 is his code < 1385385109 648391 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense. that's cheating, and unscientific. < 1385385193 841827 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can remember a fair bit about my code off the top of my head < 1385385200 383722 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used roughly the same algorithms < 1385385204 700481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo a b; echo a a) | sort -k1 -s < 1385385206 411794 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a a \ a b < 1385385224 415386 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I found the answer by folding a list of [V4 Int] < 1385385397 317130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, I see. I should read manpages more often. < 1385385436 661705 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: V4? < 1385385463 990362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I thought -k1 and -k1,1 were equivalent but now I see that they are not.) < 1385385482 532350 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385385485 909277 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo a b; echo a a; echo b c) | sort -k1,1,1 -s < 1385385487 461923 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort: stray character in field spec: invalid field specification `1,1,1' < 1385385492 685018 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1385385501 697834 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's essentially a strict 4-tuple < 1385385505 376935 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the linear package < 1385385513 868730 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating. < 1385385680 254857 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1385385681 189030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: trying to solve that palindrome problem you mentioned, not in an optimized way, but just solve it < 1385385733 322977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Taneb: trying to solve that palindrome problem you mentioned, not in an optimized way, but just solve it < 1385385733 480585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385386303 861365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 99*97*92*76 NB. I think this is the largest one, but I don't have a nice code to prove it yet < 1385386304 214792 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 67144176 < 1385386826 810979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My (mostly) brute-force C verification consistently says "0.002" when timed with "time", but that's of course no proper kind of timing. < 1385386856 753977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time(1) works a lot better than using a stopwatch < 1385386878 345631 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a “propertime” binary somewhere... < 1385386890 462971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what result does it give? < 1385386899 686276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The same. That's also in Taneb's paste. < 1385386902 943600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1385386917 636903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "time" output is "real 0m0.002s" "user 0m0.000s" "sys 0m0.000s" which is kind of meh. < 1385387076 861547 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(every time I hear “proper time”, http://youtu.be/yT5CzKGYhQk starts playing in my head.) < 1385388263 234013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385388310 446546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here < 1385388314 433163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) #m2a=. (#~6700&<)~./:~,*/~10+i.90 < 1385388314 877886 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 292 < 1385388341 148275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the list of product of two two-digit numbers greater than 6700 < 1385388348 235281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uniqued < 1385388353 28318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ]mr=. m4a{~1 i.~(-:"1|."1)(8#10)#: m4a=. ~.\:~,*/~m2a < 1385388353 478274 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 67144176 < 1385388416 508878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4 is all pairwise products of two of those, so they're all products of four two-digit numbers, and no such product greater than 6700*99*99 can be missing. < 1385388433 363404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then mr is the largest palindrome from that list < 1385388440 763498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) mr=99*97*92*76 < 1385388441 206336 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 < 1385388473 574158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this shows the four two-digit numbers you get this from < 1385389392 921524 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385389472 831553 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there as many tertues as there are aises? < 1385389489 810448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one ais. left. < 1385389524 566709 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are at least three tertues. right. < 1385389581 30 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well three rights make a left. < 1385389633 338049 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385389757 380609 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote theorem < 1385389759 93850 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :216) (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) \ 502) theorem prover yada yada halting problem. \ 558) but i guess (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2) if n is even, (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^ < 1385389809 836408 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Theorem < 1385389811 765529 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :216) (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) \ 502) theorem prover yada yada halting problem. \ 558) but i guess (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2) if n is even, (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^ < 1385389825 556973 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kicks HackEgo in the case insensitives
< 1385389843 220344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | grep Theorem < 1385389844 851805 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :963) it's raining in newcastle, therefore the elliotts are distinct. boily's Newcastle Theorem. < 1385389865 475624 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thørjan. < 1385389899 466294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyw < 1385389916 723230 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1385389941 998832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem confused. < 1385389977 986842 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to parse that mysterious declension, with no avail. < 1385389986 782602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, excessively punctuated. < 1385389994 261812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means yw, yw < 1385390006 786312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. tdh. < 1385390017 755527 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like punctuation. you can use all sort of them! < 1385390029 188052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed- < 1385390127 134692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very funny⸮ < 1385390176 953959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⸮ < 1385390178 839046 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2E2E REVERSED QUESTION MARK] < 1385390236 631431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The irony mark or irony point (⸮) (French: point d’ironie) is a punctuation mark proposed by the French poet Alcanter de Brahm (alias Marcel Bernhardt) at the end of the 19th century used to indicate that a sentence should be understood at a second level (irony, sarcasm, etc.)" < 1385390348 671598 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385390361 684769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :?⸮¿ is also a good punctuation for "nurr so confused nurr". < 1385390361 842440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1385390387 1499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⸮ < 1385390388 568980 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2E2E REVERSED QUESTION MARK] < 1385390398 276994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any permutation of those three is valid, but there are subtle changes in tone.) < 1385390421 572364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ?⸮¿ < 1385390423 406441 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003F QUESTION MARK] [U+2E2E REVERSED QUESTION MARK] [U+00BF INVERTED QUESTION MARK] < 1385390432 475160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense one missing. < 1385390448 564232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode INVERTED REVERSED QUESTION MARK < 1385390450 341627 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385390451 326505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The REVERSED INVERTED QUESTION MARK is not in Unicode, as far as I can tell, shamefully. < 1385390457 598462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1385390486 621899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shameful encoding. Shunicode. < 1385390502 25046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode BADLY KERNED RN < 1385390503 739266 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385390506 916359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much missing < 1385390609 84758 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ế < 1385390609 826744 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LIGATURE RN < 1385390610 549240 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385390611 204273 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385390619 709211 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecore ế < 1385390620 990959 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unidecore: not found < 1385390624 268838 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ế < 1385390625 989568 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1EBF LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND ACUTE] < 1385390699 996191 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ���뻯 < 1385390701 718013 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+DEAD DUNNO] [U+BEEF HANGUL SYLLABLE BBEGS] < 1385390731 122517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 24 question marks: the regular, the {INVERTED,GREEK,ARMENIAN,ARABIC,ETHIOPIC,LIMBU,DOUBLE,EXCLAMATION,REVERSED,VAI,BAMUM,PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL,SMALL,FULLWIDTH,CHAKMA,TAG} QUESTION MARK, the QUESTION EXCLAMATION MARK, the COPTIC OLD NUBIAN {DIRECT,INDIRECT} QUESTION MARK, the {BLACK,WHITE} QUESTION MARK ORNAMENT and the {LESS,GREATER}-THAN WITH QUESTION MARK ABOVE. < 1385390787 918936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also the interrobang and I think there's a banginterro or whatsit < 1385390807 488170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I counted only characters including the words QUESTION and MARK. < 1385390873 2733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, so cuont 0x2048 and 0x2049 too < 1385390875 834717 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/YlA36ze < 1385390895 291239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I did count those. < 1385390903 615737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: They're right there in the lists. < 1385390907 807577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1385390933 844171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 0x203d then < 1385390951 706430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the INVERTED INTERROBANG, if you want to go that way. < 1385390966 901791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(U+2E18.) < 1385391013 606692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also QUESTIONED EQUAL TO, APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL QUAD QUESTION, and CIRCLED IDEOGRAPH QUESTION. < 1385391042 640024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385391056 964157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1385391072 807531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First two involve a ?-like thing in them. < 1385391100 953361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does the official picture of the REPLACEMENT CHARACTER. < 1385391169 604636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode REPLACEMENT CHARACTER < 1385391171 244014 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​� < 1385391183 817240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT ONE < 1385391278 849338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to use UPPERCASE when discussing UNICODE. < 1385391404 890621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIZZIE: WHAT? CAN'T HEAR YOU. SPEAK LOUDER! < 1385391496 157260 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING EVEN MORE UPPER THAN UPPERCASE WHEN UNICODISCUSSING. SOMETHING... GRANDIOSE, MAGNIFICENT. SOMETHING LIKE: EXCELLENTCASE! < 1385391533 794107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝐎𝐇 𝐍𝑶𝑂❢ < 1385391615 736356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝖀𝕹𝕴𝕮𝕺𝕯𝕰 < 1385391618 501677 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION replaces int-e with an IOCCC entry typeset to look like a replacement character.
< 1385391626 237215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry if something broke that.) < 1385391651 398682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :something broke mine :/ < 1385391676 235757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both look fine in the browser-view of the logs, so I guess it's okay. < 1385391852 123288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :data:text/plain,%F0%9D%90%8E%F0%9D%90%87+%F0%9D%90%8D%F0%9D%91%B6%F0%9D%91%82%E2%9D%A3 ... hmm. < 1385392186 160015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's just screen displaying those characters that's broken -- they made it fine to the channel as http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2013-11-25 proves. < 1385393056 124191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see anything break in tmux. < 1385393145 439551 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. trying to start screen in tmux in screen doesn't work. < 1385393161 904243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1385393164 900709 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385393603 846260 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1385393799 285415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385394020 1089 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385394389 797070 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :something broke putty. a lot. < 1385394517 576133 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Didn't break my PuTTY or tmux. What's your remote character set? < 1385394528 44873 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question < 1385394549 58541 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a weird putty app thingy for symbian, so that might be why < 1385394587 335265 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although, my characters don't display correctly - my RCS is UTF-8 and I'm seeing Chinese characters instead of the text I see in the browser view of the logs) < 1385394643 791883 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This putty app thing seems to render fragments of boily's all-caps line in place of int-e's an fizzie's lines < 1385394661 977068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm pretty sure is very wrong < 1385394668 834096 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385394676 404287 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd take a screenshot if I could.. < 1385394828 858223 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello nooodl < 1385394831 296040 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nellooodl < 1385394848 320911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385394857 852729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ello < 1385394890 647214 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireeFyllo. < 1385394897 465755 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello FireFly < 1385394899 385437 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFlello < 1385394902 535369 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a Firefly-FreeFull-hello combo!) < 1385394924 647692 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FlelloFly < 1385394999 598271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: "fyllo" is swedish slang for "drunk" < 1385395259 780870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385395509 22563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I can't see a reasonable interpretation of this: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Universal_Turing_machine&curid=1168&diff=37907&oldid=7972 except vandalism, or someone who really doesn't understand how software works < 1385395509 180238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385396375 842411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjourily < 1385396549 672990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Self-modifying_Brainfuck&diff=prev&oldid=37875 < 1385396625 709083 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Lucasieks understands how wikis work < 1385396867 213482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just think it's hilarious < 1385396875 362094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's clearly something he/she doesn't understand < 1385396878 377686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not entirely sure what it is < 1385396960 561646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I wonder if he/she is browsing entirely from view source, using some sort of third-party viewer < 1385396971 53667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why you'd do that, but it'd explain the #REDIRECT change < 1385397112 632489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. There is one serious (if self-promoting) contribution, and the rest of the edits look worthless from the sample I've looked at. :-/ < 1385397216 187649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-promotion is fine on esolangs.org, so long as it's ontopic < 1385397219 676253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing would ever get done otherwise < 1385397230 678920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1385397230 935030 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can agree with int-e. Looks like some kid goofing off < 1385397236 716673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a rules page somewhere where it's explicitly allowed, probably http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Policy) < 1385397241 690227 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the random line breaks < 1385397375 443016 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-53.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385397463 813002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on the ZZZ page, the [[stub]] thing was also added by Lucasieks. (I'm not sure whether the page should be marked as a stub. There's little more to say about a brainfuck derivative.) < 1385397496 857182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I noticed, but at least that wasn't outright counterproductive so I just decided to fix the syntax < 1385397696 159898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough (I should probably shut up anyway, since I'm not contributing to the wiki. Thanks for the hard work!) < 1385398031 963394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bon matintopia! < 1385398776 594162 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385398928 271258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you slipped that one in just under the wire. past the eleventh hour even! < 1385399668 878827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385399967 731653 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering < 1385399974 740303 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does assembly work in dual cores? < 1385399987 515320 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you specify which CPU you're talking to < 1385400039 994927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to give you a snotty response but then realized i don't particularly know myself. well played. < 1385400045 322257 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1385400059 699931 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's arch-dependent. you tell the OS to do it. how the OS does it, i don't know < 1385400085 825031 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a lot of "the OS does it" whenever I ask assembly questions < 1385400117 202127 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :managing this shit is what the OS is for, after all. < 1385400133 869769 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I like to learn things bottom up < 1385400171 699261 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that there are hundreds of different bottoms for different arches :p < 1385400182 483656 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh, bottoms < 1385400196 71703 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but most of them are similar bottoms < 1385400201 398976 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, do you want a match? < 1385400203 630084 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a match < 1385400213 798639 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bottom and your face! < 1385400217 499923 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huhuhu < 1385400240 115920 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much all computers are variations on the Von Neumann architecture < 1385400247 501656 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of them are Intel stuff < 1385400272 524045 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of these questions do not depend that much on the architecture, for the most part < 1385400339 25835 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but "von neumann architecture" is pretty broad, that's like saying english and sanskrit are both variations on indo-european so it's simple < 1385400342 19013 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I'm using some soviet analog computer from the 60's < 1385400344 62652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus modern computers are harvardish at times < 1385400368 874684 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel is more of a "Germanic language" though < 1385400378 998625 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even north germanic! < 1385400383 950130 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is english noth germanic? < 1385400386 42785 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1385400398 935800 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, west germanic < 1385400529 353345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh heh < 1385400539 351443 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«regarding x86. In a multi threaded environment (Hyper-threading, multi-core or multi-processor), the Bootstrap thread (usually thread 0 in core 0 in processor 0) starts up fetching code from address 0xfffffff0. All the other threads start up in a special sleep state called Wait-for-SIPI. As part of its initialization, the primary thread sends a special inter-processor-interrupt (IPI) over the APIC called a SIPI (Startup IPI) to each ... < 1385400545 348587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... thread that is in WFS. The SIPI contains the address from which that thread should start fetching code.» < 1385400568 588463 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1385400581 95356 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess there's some opcodes to communicate between processors, maybe? < 1385400586 785773 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do they work independantly < 1385400590 690729 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :independently. < 1385400597 747922 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they share memory, though. < 1385400609 384903 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1385400668 188051 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the few cores on a CPU generally are for running totally independent processes, so intercore communication doesn't have to be fast < 1385400921 882431 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385400955 852946 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385400961 588297 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385400961 745851 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385401280 743857 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1385401322 213805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1385401425 203619 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385401479 732816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1385401607 965662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reconnect brought to you by the We Don't Look At Hostnames In Prompts Before 'shutdown -r now' Foundation. < 1385401654 862822 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and people like you. Thank you.) < 1385401683 532481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have a different sudo password on every computer where I have sudoers access < 1385401692 172277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's saved me from stupid mistakes like that several times so far < 1385401756 318095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that might not be a bad idea. < 1385402026 199864 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use one colour for the prompt per machine < 1385402578 283141 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1385402988 960741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes whichever sebbu is currently connected
< 1385402996 40385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1385402996 655963 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 251800Z 15010KT 30SM BKN040 BKN085 BKN240 M05/M18 A3024 RMK SC5AC1CI1 SLP244 < 1385403005 663923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. only minus 5. yééé.... < 1385403032 453947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1385403032 767734 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 251750Z 32010KT CAVOK M02/M06 Q1025 R01L/19//95 R08/19//95 R01R/19//95 NOSIG < 1385403200 777713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385403215 950437 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello zzo38 < 1385403217 768211 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzello38 < 1385403270 442759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1385403332 831469 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385403361 931494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: A few days ago I received a message from you but the context is unclear. Can you explain it please? < 1385403400 301235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. speaking of context :) < 1385403400 876582 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: was that about you being the weirdest? < 1385403402 571494 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385403406 486287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1385403428 580883 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context was computer setups and suchlike. < 1385403487 100157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pineapple < 1385403489 139127 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pineapple is a hybrid species descended from a cultivar of spinach and wild ivy, therefore making it a class 6 vegetable. < 1385403500 132059 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: context ↑ < 1385403517 857910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385403609 358889 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked on ruddy in a while... < 1385403611 296014 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've understood. I only know of it because of the piracy thing. < 1385403667 584386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. fizzie: you still have a config.sys? / people here have weird, weird setups. / @tell zzo38 you are the weirdest. < 1385403709 490984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the discussion was longer, but that should do for context) < 1385403957 31410 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: do you understand context? < 1385403957 754758 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in a university < 1385403969 831661 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that as a resounding “no”. < 1385404102 275296 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy understand as much as I would expect, which isn't much < 1385404103 773824 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is more of a loop yeah < 1385404193 110613 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :circular logic ftw! < 1385404234 905141 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to get to work on having ruddy understand a subset of English.. or maybe just a new bot < 1385404239 153964 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, symbols, whose values are looked up in the court of the LORD's glory. < 1385404296 404503 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: have you been reading /r/fearme lately? < 1385404297 280968 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need so much more privacy to be comfortable < 1385404300 333166 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385404325 900645 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: your bot is under Bad Influences. He is Basking under the Glorious Shadows of the Throne. < 1385404326 58516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay away from reddit then, ruddy < 1385404326 613552 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a break from it. so it took a while to adjust to it and crossed my fingers.) < 1385404331 304454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1385404331 823661 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 251820Z 31007KT CAVOK M04/M05 Q1019 NOSIG < 1385404338 485741 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385404341 977612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that ever say "M00"? < 1385404354 371251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For below-zero-but-rounds-to-zero.) < 1385404363 662290 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Taneb < 1385404365 586247 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebello < 1385404372 20573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: afaicrbtnm, yes. < 1385404427 418255 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1385404429 276775 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "btnm"? "but that's not much"? < 1385404452 27980 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: wow. you guessed it. < 1385404458 693300 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385404463 963879 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome callforjudgement < 1385404466 670395 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06callforjudgement: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1385404477 35511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385404520 122329 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, we agree on the answer :) < 1385405454 372182 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385406450 19306 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-53.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385406815 846527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385406957 874112 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385407168 171999 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385407183 630869 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385407211 411676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH! I GOT IT! MWAH AH AH HA AH AHAHAHAHAHAHA! < 1385407224 289658 :coppro|nospoiler!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid < 1385407248 12141 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to be afraid of. only a hairy Python problem solved. < 1385407264 289518 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385407319 36392 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had a nickel for every time I've had a hairy python problem... < 1385407327 489780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1385407331 646433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hi everyone < 1385407337 11554 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello kmc < 1385407339 234405 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmcello < 1385407364 97026 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1385407373 853822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello limonc < 1385407374 198863 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My C solution runs in 1/70 the time of my Haskell solution < 1385407375 547380 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limellonc < 1385407382 904072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't work at all < 1385407438 190262 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but which one is easier to understand? < 1385407455 854079 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, probably either depending on how you think < 1385407457 470831 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: clearly we need a `cosby function < 1385407468 888268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that work < 1385407477 889876 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hilariously < 1385407506 497092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello limоnc < 1385407506 655210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello HackEgo < 1385407508 106416 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgello < 1385407508 269817 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limоncello < 1385407523 960791 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a limon cello? < 1385407529 550374 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it produce music? < 1385407540 985506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's booze, so yes < 1385407551 217232 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very strong and sweet booze. < 1385407559 57660 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode о < 1385407560 572198 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385407564 823098 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode о < 1385407566 498740 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] < 1385407568 871517 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1385407577 448320 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently ♪
< 1385407583 545738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SINGLE NON-OCULAR O < 1385407586 740998 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385407587 663182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1385407590 370128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1385407608 321058 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385407631 831224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a bottle of "Pallini" brand limoncello in the closet, bought because fi:pallini == en:"my balls". < 1385407655 653010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a tumblr of jokes about it, of course. < 1385407662 88574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1385407677 128183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try any < 1385407760 922404 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.72.124 NICK :tertu < 1385407764 763509 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.35.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385407768 926609 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.35.60 QUIT :Changing host < 1385407769 84354 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385407774 657435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not from this particular bottle; I haven't managed to organize our usual set of participants yet. I might have had some of "my balls" on a previous trip to Italy, but I can't be sure about that. < 1385407793 866013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385407811 59524 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a good tumblr especially because i don't know finnish. please link < 1385407813 458527 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and with one sentence you seem to have frightened off Phantom_Hoover < 1385407845 672745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Oh no, it turns out to have been a blogspot. But anyway: http://pallinimun.blogspot.com/ < 1385407884 22753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of the puns are not going to translate well. < 1385407891 118777 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385407894 994385 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was right. this is the best blog ever < 1385407909 409035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that bit about the cucumber is because the Finnish word for "cucumber" equals the Finnish word for "throat". < 1385407930 709610 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikkujoulutunnelmissa is a good word < 1385407956 276721 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pallinimun.blogspot.be/2012/12/pallini-aamiaisen-kanssa-sankyyn.html god i can't imagine the joke here at all < 1385407977 952831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My balls in bed with the breakfast", going from the URL. < 1385408007 181539 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that plus "tarjoiltuna" < 1385408029 387133 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this breakfast in finland. finland is weird < 1385408036 839940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just "served". < 1385408056 616006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be someone's breakfast. < 1385408082 616937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's bread, there's fruit, there's some cheese, there's some yogurt. That's not so weird, is it? < 1385408103 269662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a "usual set of participants" for sampling italian liqueurs with unintentionally hilarious names? < 1385408124 204805 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be prepared for anything kmc < 1385408140 274332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wish I lived within a thousand miles of fizzie < 1385408151 847246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, technically it's a "usual set of participants" for sampling all different brands of tequila we come across, but we've been branching out. < 1385408168 443498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the revelations, they are striking. < 1385408203 46781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For example, we sampled this: http://gamma.zem.fi/~fis/bottel.jpg < 1385408210 240694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It tasted exactly like it looks like.) < 1385408319 754345 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is disturbed “guess I wasn't prepared for anything.”
< 1385408335 515340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it sfw < 1385408353 798125 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385408356 64819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIRL < 1385408359 567034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bottle. I guess that depends on your place of work? < 1385408378 123009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about girls? < 1385408380 838739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh < 1385408399 945685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it vodka with estrogen mixed in or something < 1385408428 573033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it's just "Litchi, Framboise, Vodka Premium & Cognac", like it says on the bottle. < 1385408477 189511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :litchi = lychee? < 1385408480 529111 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as expected from a French bottle, the label is mostly English. < 1385408488 513371 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: c'est ça. < 1385408548 980049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't very good, just so you know. < 1385409165 575453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I've showed the calculation too since: http://dpaste.com/1482712/ < 1385409247 427343 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385410096 597093 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-53.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385411003 696919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385411077 837269 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385411125 622030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385412517 727262 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385413654 314539 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385413657 708330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385414805 983211 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385414826 921945 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I see Phantom__Hoover swapping _es, I get reminded of mitosis, like if a new Phantom__Hoover got generated. < 1385415292 396624 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-18.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385415307 772011 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-53.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385415314 180071 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-18.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat < 1385416252 371844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385416324 309690 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385416373 141498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385416802 331324 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: λf.(λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x)) < 1385416808 680317 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385416975 927630 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120d1.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385417006 573207 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I download the entire archive of a USENET group? (going back to 1991) < 1385417048 904178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-odd < 1385417049 175070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 5h 59m ago: I can't see a reasonable interpretation of this: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Universal_Turing_machine&curid=1168&diff=37907&oldid=7972 except vandalism, or someone < 1385417049 333001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who really doesn't understand how software works < 1385417096 695671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess that covers pretty much all #esoteric messages. < 1385417107 77440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1385417112 906516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. i pride myself on my low algorithmic randomness < 1385417121 331153 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my parity < 1385417295 855416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you really didn't have to split that into two lines ... *goes look at some code* < 1385417296 349964 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385417321 534444 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385417326 41127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Well he did understand how {{wrongtitle|...}} worked, at least. < 1385417326 198812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385417726 431897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :textwidth = 200 -- IRC maximum msg length, minus a bit for safety. < 1385417740 490778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a safety margin :) < 1385417745 199736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think. < 1385417813 403120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to include room for :lambdabot!wherever@somewhere PRIVMSG : or what it was < 1385417848 232693 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385417852 353127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a possible + or - with that one extension clients can enable. and other stuff < 1385417852 921442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but the limit is 512 (- newline - what you said) < 1385417858 563839 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice if it listened to the capabilities message sent on connect < 1385417863 743710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newline is two bytes, though :) < 1385417874 84464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :) < 1385417876 143427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also inter-server communication can add stuff, IIRC < 1385417889 129725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like lambdabot's longest-named channel is #learnanycomputerlanguage < 1385417896 448145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all use xdcc < 1385417905 765188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the channel name < 1385417946 437054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot should be able to know the length of that, though. < 1385417963 784195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the limit is lifted for inter-server communication nowadays. look at the calculation in http://scripts.irssi.org/html/splitlong.pl.html ... and that script seems to work reasonably well :) < 1385417969 229182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying it isn't as easy as bumping up a constant a bit < 1385417984 981094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode cloaks are quite annoying for splitting. < 1385417997 916762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitlong.pl gets them wrong. < 1385418037 80847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It calculates assuming hostname for the prefix.) < 1385418056 17001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll probably bump it to 350. :) < 1385418082 39150 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell if the smilies are passive aggressive or what < 1385418100 828340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are supposed to be friendly. < 1385418107 483762 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do overuse them. < 1385418127 393702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as a passive agressive smiley :) < 1385418136 636300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1385418149 941639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrinks
< 1385418169 525113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: problem? 8VP < 1385418212 55937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've splitlong_max_length set to 400, and that seems to have been safe so far. < 1385418468 641414 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Quit: quit. < 1385418484 267852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "snack" < 1385418485 144612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "snack" < 1385418531 274811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "snicker\nsnack" < 1385418532 203105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : snicker < 1385418532 360785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : snack < 1385418539 515159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi. < 1385418546 883236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "a\nb" < 1385418547 920296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1385418548 78415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : b < 1385418566 6572 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the IRC message limit of 512 include name/channel/etc, or just the "message" part itself? < 1385418566 374718 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it caps at three lines? < 1385418568 416375 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as with error messages < 1385418576 93929 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it's the whole raw message AFAIK < 1385418591 336374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the first line is different on purpose < 1385418592 231465 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, including name/channel/etc < 1385418598 424738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it includes all that. < 1385418614 181415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1385418615 99559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1385418624 353985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no purpose in lambdabot. < 1385418633 348707 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm... I'm using a third-party lib for ruddy that claims to cap at 512.. I wonder if that includes the entire message. < 1385418638 96228 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why you'd do that, but it'd explain the #REDIRECT change < 1385418647 61985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm note sure about that. < 1385418661 602550 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: sure would < 1385418661 816001 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running out of letters. :-( < 1385418668 404728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote purpose < 1385418668 562380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :UmbertoEco says: I don't even have an e-mail address. I have reached an age where my main purpose is not to receive messages. < 1385418798 932806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] -- oh I guess this one is goverened by textwidth as well? < 1385418799 857827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1385418805 415426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. too short :) < 1385418850 30482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: > commands give much longer output in private. < 1385418869 408612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok :) < 1385418901 569427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be bad if lambdabot would suddenly produce twice as much output on the channels for infinite lists. < 1385418975 803090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's considerably more than twice. i tested and it got up to 283. < 1385419026 495215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :split into five lines. < 1385419028 738175 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385419047 765650 :Sorella`!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385419056 67006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a feature, I believe < 1385419072 153711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1385419090 304733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think the limit was higher before, but #haskell is much larger now. < 1385419090 880674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I press Alt-R instead of Alt-4 and Firefox restarts, losing all my tabs? < 1385419091 781001 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385419096 354644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx a lot firefox :'( < 1385419129 69997 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I tried [1, 3..] and got six lines < 1385419142 252823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It behaves differently in /msg < 1385419145 606551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oerjan said that. < 1385419147 288326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sucks :( < 1385419151 857574 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's limiting off of number of elements < 1385419155 35150 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or time.. < 1385419159 351295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a bunch of logged in sessions in Private Browsing. < 1385419168 84198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did i say five, i meant six. < 1385419180 292665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sixth one kinda doesn't count though < 1385419190 556382 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's just a tiny output < 1385419193 657780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pretty < 1385419215 546463 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . show $ [1..283] < 1385419216 597755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1025 < 1385419228 676867 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. that makes for a sane number to restrict output to < 1385419245 736588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's just the length of the string showed. < 1385419257 772636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mueval does that. < 1385419274 559573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it always caps at 1024, even if it shows a shorter string. < 1385419290 25245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..29] < 1385419291 60096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1385419300 503683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..29] ++ fix id < 1385419304 90781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1385419318 956576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..282] ++ fix id < 1385419322 539568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1385419325 842161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..283] ++ fix id < 1385419327 18656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1385419349 993784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run @where pi_10 < 1385419351 416747 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. mueval cuts the result off at 1024 characters; lambdabot then formats the result < 1385419351 761173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1385419370 82932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run @where pi_11 < 1385419373 713180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1385419374 580479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1385419380 589106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10 < 1385419380 746956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!3)<$>transpose[show$foldr(\k a->2*10^2^n+a*k`div`(2*k+1))0[1..2^n]|n<-[0..]] < 1385419384 718888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_9 < 1385419384 876647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about pi_9. < 1385419389 202596 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in god's name < 1385419391 907705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you don't < 1385419410 1958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10 < 1385419410 198662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum$scanl div(100^n)[1..[4..]!!n])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1385419419 456596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^2^n... < 1385419483 447930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I see :) < 1385419498 714621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run @where e_10 < 1385419500 352572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "27182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277240766303... < 1385419518 845675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4..]!!n looks a bit silly. < 1385419521 967643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1385419526 392964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead. Improve it. < 1385419664 394295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1385419935 796646 :Sorella``!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385420037 713593 :Sorella`!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385420064 601691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are two places where a space is added to the output of @eval ... once in the eval plugin itself, which preprends a space to the output, and once in a generic function that tries to be polite on channels (which is also responsible for limiting lines to 80 characters). < 1385420103 481657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : @eval is something else entirely! < 1385420106 327008 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no, that doesn't look intentional to me :) < 1385420115 893229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean @run, but the plugin is called Eval. < 1385420141 288040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help eval < 1385420141 445681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval. Do nothing (perversely) < 1385420163 347902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help choose < 1385420163 505451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose. Lambdabot featuring AI power < 1385420165 276923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI! < 1385420185 617915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choose wisely < 1385420185 814563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisely < 1385420202 840957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @choose @@ @where ops < 1385420202 998536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : monochrom < 1385420211 546224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choose the alternative < 1385420211 703790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative < 1385420233 670148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @choose @where ops < 1385420233 827774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : dcoutts < 1385420245 600923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 3d8 + 5d2 < 1385420245 765672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (7+3+7) + 6 => 23 < 1385420266 357418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d8 + 5d2 < 1385420266 515378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (6+8+8) + 8 => 30 < 1385420280 617396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1385420295 645118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000000000d8 < 1385420295 803001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 4500001312 < 1385420323 926571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: way to leave out the breakdown < 1385420343 633517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@numberwang 4500001312 < 1385420343 791507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1385420346 788274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1385420359 994931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that plugin was too noisy < 1385420366 722697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the @numberwang version. < 1385420370 476630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the unprompted version. < 1385420371 232758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :same plugin < 1385420387 457323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's an unsolvable problem. < 1385420393 542832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc wrote a good Numberwang tester. < 1385420408 274662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`numberwang fnord < 1385420409 746440 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: numberwang: not found < 1385420413 636078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1385420429 41807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not found/That's not a Numberwang!/ < 1385420442 908162 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 5 < 1385420444 560844 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1385420448 481111 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang fnord < 1385420448 804264 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable! < 1385420459 888161 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 5.2 < 1385420460 229961 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1385420463 333874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're not numberwang < 1385420464 697834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Taneb < 1385420466 118976 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Taneb. Thaneb. < 1385420487 587629 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we can hook `thanks to a karma system < 1385420493 793654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're numberwang < 1385420510 8601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1385420513 386204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the answer is: yes! we *can* do that. < 1385420553 82312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1385420555 191105 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1385420574 629709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1385420576 593102 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1385420577 24266 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1385420577 182087 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          º¯`\o < 1385420581 972906 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385420618 980627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: look, now there's a really awful smiley. < 1385420619 308614 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was admin of lambdabot before Cale? < 1385420625 907111 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1385420627 821390 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�eZ��&W�:{���\���4g_�R"y榭y�6w�1��i5d�������)u��+.�.���?_V�-. YD�1!�� E��4�X������|�s�KK��V���sc\\>�<>�y̔��\���4�I.D��D����ۦ��Ԣ�ɘ_萺j⫤8�| < 1385420638 553347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it was geekosaur once upon a time? < 1385420640 44196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'ma big fan of ¯\(°_o)/¯ :( < 1385420640 385274 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  | < 1385420640 542844 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                º¯`\o < 1385420650 724990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it was Pseudonym once. < 1385420655 509172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably dons once? < 1385420705 335073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1385420705 861456 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           | < 1385420706 19160 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         º¯`\o < 1385420707 809502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dons, certainly. geekosaur, I believe so; I don't know about Pseudonym. < 1385420719 111839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1385420719 507420 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     | < 1385420719 665116 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   o/`¯º < 1385420721 436646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1385420721 880906 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   | < 1385420722 38619 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 o/`¯º < 1385420722 701792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm mixing people up. < 1385420734 137802 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`celebrate < 1385420735 528803 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: celebrate: not found < 1385420742 301674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1385420742 459528 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1385420742 827634 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c ¦ < 1385420742 985386 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/`\ c.c /<   |\|   |    /<  c.c  >\    |    /< | |\ c.c ´¸¨ < 1385420744 79981 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /`¯|_)              /'\ < 1385420744 237730 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                (_|                 (_| |_) < 1385420746 893353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh I wasn't trying to say that you're wrong. I didn't keep track. < 1385420753 557637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1385420754 121304 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are the c.c.cs new? < 1385420754 341512 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            c.c.c < 1385420754 499070 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             c.c < 1385420758 222072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I'm mixing people up. < 1385420758 616511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : x.x < 1385420765 573883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ಠ.ಠ < 1385420772 37738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮ.ꙮ < 1385420790 173406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c.c.c < 1385420790 877913 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.cc.c.c < 1385420791 35437 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c c.c < 1385420799 705672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1385420803 589316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: BUG < 1385420808 328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1385420809 160050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1385420812 491977 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1385420815 489758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1385420824 968339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : c..c.c..c < 1385420825 525607 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   c.c.c < 1385420825 683103 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    c.c < 1385420837 7549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myndzi c.c.c.c # bug < 1385420837 165218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385420837 449917 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                        c.c.cc.c.c < 1385420837 607618 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                         c.c c.c < 1385420856 343462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "c." < 1385420857 355757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.... < 1385420861 735030 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.cc.c < 1385420872 961021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c c.c < 1385420873 520841 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.cc.c.c < 1385420873 678713 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c c.c < 1385420877 732100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1385420881 654500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C.C < 1385420884 140668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :©.© < 1385420886 956558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1385420889 257282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse < 1385420891 293379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : C.C < 1385420895 759512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ©.© < 1385420895 917212 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : O.o < 1385420898 631749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c < 1385420899 142772 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.c < 1385420899 301564 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c < 1385420904 602137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385420904 759690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : \O/ < 1385420926 633646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that could look kind of cute. < 1385420943 573140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : \O/ < 1385420944 264801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385420944 422609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo enough spam < 1385420967 690585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall myndzi ignored HackEgo ¯\(°​_o)/¯ at one time. did someone request that back? < 1385420989 566270 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :misaligned. and yes, you're probably right :) < 1385421015 127101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That \O/ is like a crown, right? < 1385421016 440015 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385421027 226177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/? < 1385421029 27397 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/%3F < 1385421084 578317 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1385421107 888190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is rnooodl < 1385421146 990077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, I should just read the source. < 1385421157 873644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385421176 913482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/°_o/°​_o/' bin/'?' < 1385421177 260840 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                 |   | < 1385421177 571076 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /<  /| < 1385421181 128399 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385421191 552727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnordy < 1385421193 224419 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385421193 756800 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385421302 793692 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: apparently it's not too surprising < 1385421339 341796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo nooodl | rnooodl < 1385421340 746658 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl | rnooodl < 1385421344 71758 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh, ngevd is special-cased < 1385421359 963524 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you want to `run that < 1385421366 480535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo nooodl | rnooodl < 1385421368 148248 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooodl < 1385421373 158616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1385421380 260798 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks int-e < 1385421381 757694 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, int-e. Thint-e. < 1385421415 128770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks FireFly < 1385421416 676057 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, FireFly. ThireFly. < 1385421435 608624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks kzrk < 1385421437 80092 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, kzrk. Tzrk. < 1385421484 712309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1385421499 191927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Mgrvgrvladje < 1385421500 608792 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Mgrvgrvladje. Thadje. < 1385421504 202766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385421509 892592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: what did you do? < 1385421513 355834 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks lambdabot < 1385421514 591757 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, lambdabot. Thambdabot. < 1385421543 223653 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-18.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385421545 257396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it came back without me having to do anything about it. good. < 1385421769 737168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and now it splits [1..] into three lines rather than 5 :) < 1385422001 533176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :charming < 1385422515 806061 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435120d1.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385422552 381514 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff6f6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385422561 266629 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385422778 902576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it numberwang < 1385422779 79042 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i can use dingbat circled sans-serif digit five < 1385422786 396478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1385422790 414109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: am i numberwang < 1385422790 571745 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i say don't worry and use it a lot in my fnord to huhta. < 1385422813 989420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the numberwang and I'm okay, I count all night and a sleep all day... < 1385422827 938187 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385422883 335351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385422900 944045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is int-e numberwang < 1385422901 146281 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fnord ihope waits patiently for someone to come tell me that < 1385422960 443800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees no trace of ihope here by any name
< 1385422988 465368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you ihope < 1385422988 623051 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a debian terminal is pretty dark, after all.) and ( < 1385422989 535389 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope by any other name smells just as sweet? < 1385423005 44373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as tswett, usually. < 1385423034 674762 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thanks sweet < 1385423034 832497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1385423037 752151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks sweet < 1385423039 27370 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, sweet. Theet. < 1385423065 503542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^all `those @prefixes !make %me #dizzy < 1385423081 454422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes -- happy to help < 1385423081 612339 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1385423130 351949 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff6f6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it safe to have so many bots in one channel? < 1385423131 982925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^`!@?+~)! < 1385423174 130849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclassy: nope. < 1385423195 215209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo tsrif; echo ytefas) | rev | tac < 1385423196 885207 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :safety \ first < 1385423244 899052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1+1 < 1385423245 309898 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2 < 1385423256 314074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1+1 2 < 1385423256 667800 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 2 3 < 1385423258 855286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami < 1385423260 152280 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000 < 1385423279 711791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`make < 1385423281 74833 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. < 1385423284 172503 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff6f6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1385423285 496233 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/. Tho| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/. < 1385423343 79859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclassy: there are various mechanisms for avoiding botloops, but i'm not sure if all of them are currently watertight. (i don't recall if lambdabot's obscure loophole was closed.) < 1385423461 728840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385423461 886604 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385423479 214090 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: help is it bad if i'm not even surprised by that result < 1385423488 507417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they smelled my plans... < 1385423510 269677 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 7+ 28 19 10 < 1385423510 622642 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 35 26 17 < 1385423526 379597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's because virtually all bots (including lambdabot) violate the recommendation of the IRC RFC (1459): automatic responses should only be made to PRIVMSG messages, and should be sent as NOTICE. (clients hilighting NOTICE don't help...) < 1385423551 564744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can get a chain fungot -> HackEgo/EgoBot -> lambdabot, but you cannot get back to fungot because it has an ignore system. < 1385423564 660707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where quine < 1385423579 136758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OH GOD I HATE THAT DISCUSSION < 1385423594 296186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :botloops are _fun_, dammit. < 1385423618 231317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's no need to discuss this :) < 1385423736 408739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, lambdabot's current approach is to put a space in front of everything that might come from a user, but I don't know how thoroughly that was done. (and it won't help with bots like fungot and ruddy ? who will reply to anything with their name in it) < 1385423747 345030 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather technical < 1385423762 127937 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. not fungot, then :) < 1385423786 317394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is not here at the moment. fizzie! < 1385423787 338456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385423800 504385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. again? < 1385423860 65163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy seems harmless as you cannot get em to respond reliably in any useful format. fungot's bladder works similarly, although adds the original nick. < 1385423864 123775 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan..... < 1385423874 154912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: RELIABLY, i said. < 1385423874 889539 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a bit more difficult to keep track of who every customer is like that < 1385423888 646924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1385423890 898604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blather < 1385423976 526931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not thorough. < 1385423977 491346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where q < 1385423977 648998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about q. < 1385424048 972231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ?where was the loophole i was thinking of. < 1385424068 141375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god help us if someone makes a bot triggered by "I" or a space < 1385424069 121659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where paste < 1385424069 279491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/new/haskell < 1385424108 514514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ loop @where q < 1385424108 710729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. < 1385424112 731156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where loop < 1385424112 889040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : @where q < 1385424120 251223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where ?where < 1385424120 408819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where ?where < 1385424125 216559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1385424140 514525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. it really should just add a space to everything :) < 1385424149 975499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, spaces are annoying. < 1385424167 974170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where- loop < 1385424168 132139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: where+ where < 1385424220 862600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jconn: ) 1+1 < 1385424221 287572 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |syntax error < 1385424221 445070 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | )1+1 < 1385424230 353605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jconn: 1+1 < 1385424230 812605 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2 < 1385424251 452679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think jconn and lambdabot can loop. < 1385424273 377051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, assuming J can output formatted text. < 1385424284 669335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know that great feature where lambdabot checks whether a nick ends in "bot" < 1385424299 15121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it does? < 1385424322 634573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott discovered it when testing in the channel "#lambdabot" < 1385424339 388142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was removed. < 1385424346 700048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know that great feature where lambdabot checked whether a nick ends in "bot" < 1385424431 342873 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it just silently ignore every command you'd give in #lambdabot. if so that sounds... fun < 1385424438 231310 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff6f6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it did? < 1385424855 852998 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385424910 532160 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385425074 191105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385425148 794935 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385425940 375899 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385426114 794198 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385426181 845949 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385426982 375095 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.68 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385427396 473222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge (=<`#9]~6ZY32Vx/4Rs+0No-&Jk)"Fh}|Bcy?`=*z]Kw%oG4UUS0/@-ejc(:'8dc < 1385427397 156310 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1385427433 628427 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.53 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385427518 22966 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i thought malbolge programs were generally longer < 1385427548 246916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :User:ErichS8 at wikipedia has been greatly improving it < 1385427851 440141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the one in our wiki's hello world page is none of the ones in wikipedia. < 1385427866 854001 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After each instruction is executed, the guilty instruction gets encrypted[...] after a jump, Malbolge will encrypt the innocent instruction just prior" this seems unwikipedian < 1385427874 642725 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good pun though < 1385427890 459455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _starts_ with the same code as the newest short version. < 1385427912 94252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge (=<`#9]~6ZY32Vw/.R,+Op(L,+k#Gh&}Cdz@aw=;zyKw%ut4Uqp0/mlejihtfrHcbaC2^W\>Z,XW)UTSL53\HGFjW < 1385427912 734398 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world. < 1385427923 165553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not exactly the same text. < 1385427969 374886 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff6f6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385427981 543358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first 14 chars are the same. < 1385428186 708573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: hey you made the one in the wiki http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Hello_world_program_in_esoteric_languages&diff=6158&oldid=5803 < 1385428236 633013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idle as a snail < 1385428354 147701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen mtve ever < 1385428359 496928 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-15 11:37:33: i like kenrube's homepage btw (not really sure its his, but it was mentioned somewhere linked to him) - http://www.yyyyyyy.info/ < 1385429149 980707 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385429741 964813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nuit < 1385431201 379724 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385432974 598571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/newegg-trial-crypto-legend-diffie-takes-the-stand-to-knock-out-patent/ < 1385432980 835261 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385433056 140498 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^good article < 1385433287 489026 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385433543 467723 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovery: opencl is really boring < 1385433618 721013 :Sorella``!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 NICK :Sorella < 1385433619 354532 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1385433619 512204 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385433624 590523 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does seemingly every C library define a typedef around int and other basic types < 1385433905 608452 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385433913 33278 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing: Taneb's sleep schedule < 1385433915 444664 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reward if found < 1385434216 419650 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385434231 719627 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, i borrowed it. < 1385434249 310856 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, give it back when you're done < 1385434270 940721 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. It seems i have lost it, too. < 1385434277 73727 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1385434766 260717 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be some kind of cruel, heartless neurogengineer < 1385434779 3732 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1385434798 718574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if I already mentioned my latest norn cruelty or not < 1385434802 504854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you decerberate a cat < 1385434805 898215 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cerebrate < 1385434806 670668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1385434822 165721 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look did you mutilate a fucking cat or not fuck this language fuck science fuck everything < 1385434836 728310 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No cats were mutilated in the mutilation of norns < 1385434981 701804 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.208.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385435004 129975 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made a norn that's blind to anything that's moving, relative to its own location. Norns tend to move around a lot, especially when they can't do anything, e.g. if they're blind < 1385435029 369406 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a norn < 1385435053 686148 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff456.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385435059 465232 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless nerd shit. i want to see blood sgeo < 1385435079 611537 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood on your hands < 1385435123 486401 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a species of virtual creature in the Creatures series of games < 1385435375 415956 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff456.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385435604 831671 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff456.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385436267 789482 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff456.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385436325 606511 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385437191 102146 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385437288 249375 :parduse!parduse@unaffiliated/parduse JOIN :#esoteric < 1385437304 518770 :parduse!parduse@unaffiliated/parduse PART :#esoteric < 1385438133 807340 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385438552 922004 :Taneb!~Nathan@5.151.64.60 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385438651 137201 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385439040 371031 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385441960 701967 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385442377 104762 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.208.205 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385442887 399204 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff613.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385442936 175887 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There are a lot of utterly incompetent C coders out there. < 1385442953 20409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an industry standard, though... < 1385442953 472745 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's also a lot of stupid cargo cult stuff going on. < 1385442973 627604 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but even zlib is in freaking terrible C. < 1385443035 983217 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just, i don't get it. what's the thought process behind foo_int < 1385443049 964717 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef unsigned char Byte; < 1385443053 117401 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1385443080 503952 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef unsigned char FAR Bytef; // Yes, because DOS is *that* important in software released today. < 1385443105 618038 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, believe it or not zlib still is littered with far pointer annotations. < 1385443123 535123 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case you wanna use your 286. < 1385443129 861340 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the modern descendant of DOS now supports x64 as well :S < 1385443140 371682 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern descendants, to be exact < 1385443171 623532 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, WinNT is about as much DOS as Linux is. < 1385443280 703308 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Part of the issue is, so few people write good C that there's nothing to learn good C style *from*. < 1385443297 528940 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, shit, people use int instead of size_t for goodness sake. < 1385443330 925213 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains a lot about my formative years programming. < 1385443351 832729 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and ssize_t. < 1385443356 585474 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and ptrdiff_t. < 1385443357 256573 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that i read a lot of C and didn't understand a bit of it < 1385443366 62866 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes. < 1385443367 964939 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and intptr_t and uintptr_t and int_fastN_t etc. < 1385443372 546000 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1385443392 808343 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: To be fair-ish, intptr_t, uintptr_t, intN_t, etc. are C99-isms. < 1385443411 336436 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Microsoft's compiler is still stuck in 1989. < 1385443419 214015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm kind of weirded out that opencl not only has a runtime compiler but lets you call it asynchronously by specifying a callback function (??) < 1385443432 383373 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but that has changed printf formatting specifications as well, and there is not much need for two copies of printf in libc. < 1385443455 1407 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hate that %zd specifier... < 1385443467 416373 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, Microsoft's C library is also psycho broken in many other regards. < 1385443495 102436 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SUPPORT UTF-8 YOU PSYCHOTIC BASTARDS) < 1385443519 160324 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zd is size_t? < 1385443562 257944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, z is the size_t or ssize_t length modifier. < 1385443563 617076 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think once upon a time msvcrt did not support floating point printing in printf() unless there are no floating point library (analogous to libm, but automatically linked) used. is this still a case? < 1385443574 962245 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with it? < 1385443631 208331 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks forward to the days of i686-windows-musl
< 1385443635 887444 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there are bunch of other prefixes for such integral-but-i-dunno-its-size pseudo-types. < 1385443653 634485 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptrdiff_t is assigned, I think, %jd. < 1385443664 78487 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that's for intptr_t? I dunno. < 1385443666 390486 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 2 others. j is intmax_t and t is ptrdiff_t. < 1385443679 279646 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1385443684 346884 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intN_t types have preprocessor defines. < 1385443688 790024 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there is intmax_t as well. < 1385443707 345725 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRId64 etc? :S < 1385443712 988151 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1385443720 701018 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suboptimal, but eh. < 1385443743 930078 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have INT64_C(...) macros. < 1385443747 972285 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a sense they're the least intrusive way of doing so. Especially since they're only exposed by inttypes.h < 1385443784 398573 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation has gotten away from me but now i know uint_least32_t and uint_fast32_t are distinct < 1385443819 17556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Nominally distinct. They're pretty likely to be typedef'd the same though. < 1385443826 504088 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385443831 393811 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diggin all these constants. INTMAX_MIN < 1385443858 22430 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can just use "unsigned int" instead of uint_least32_t on POSIX... < 1385444423 377791 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, have you ever looked at zlib's source? < 1385444481 643283 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no. < 1385444501 339494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/madler/zlib/blob/master/adler32.c Freaking adler32 was made this complicated. < 1385444548 204997 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#define local static" i see. < 1385444607 961722 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint32_t adler32(uint32_t adler, const char *buf, size_t len) {uint16_t sum1 = adler, sum2 = adler>>16;for(;len;len--,buf++){sum1+=*buf;sum2+=sum1;sum1%=65521;sum2%=65521;}return (sum1 << 16) | sum2; } < 1385444640 219507 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a hard function. < 1385444656 755763 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm liking ZEXPORT what's that do < 1385444673 998239 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that division by 65521 is expensive. < 1385444684 347959 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows, __declspec(dllexport). On BeOS, __declspec(dllexport). Elsewhere, nothing. < 1385444696 716708 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be used dlls? < 1385444786 269978 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: anyway, I think a freshly-redesigned version of zlib would be better to manage, there are actually several known issues with zlib's performance. < 1385444822 361716 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Fine, while(len){ size_t i = 0;for(;i < 5552 && i < len;i++) { sum1+=buf[i]; sum2+=sum1; } sum1%=65521; sum2%=65521; buf+=i;len-=i; } < 1385444826 765190 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm aware. < 1385444860 726376 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at ~/src/pikhq-zlib
< 1385444979 289573 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385445106 532949 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even *that* big of an interface, just kinda ugly. < 1385445267 726946 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/HLVF Like, that's the whole thing. < 1385445330 887958 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between a voidpf and a voidp. < 1385445351 342300 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :On DOS, a voidpf is far. < 1385445382 841289 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i like all that stuff to get a 32 bit int < 1385445406 133190 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the actual interface that it exports, not the official header. < 1385445416 141778 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official header is an order of magnitude larger. < 1385445470 905240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/madler/zlib/blob/master/zlib.h < 1385445628 262705 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The application can compare zlibVersion and ZLIB_VERSION for consistency. If the first character differs, the library code actually used is not compatible with the zlib.h header file used by the application. This check is automatically made by deflateInit and inflateInit. < 1385445798 372657 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385445810 980767 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, zlib's a bit... special. < 1385446151 869096 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff613.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385446175 252262 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385446187 852395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385446578 728258 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385447525 379263 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i hd no idea half-precision floats exist < 1385447627 875319 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're mainly for storange and less so calculation? < 1385447641 280008 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that guess kinda comes from the fact that intel added functions to convert to/from FP16 but no arithmetic on them < 1385447648 764287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/functions/instructions/? < 1385447658 510732 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what wikipedia said < 1385447663 497182 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but opencl c has 'em < 1385447685 958110 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1385447691 401795 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if GPUs have them as a thing. < 1385447747 311518 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The half data type can only be used to declare a pointer to a buffer that contains half values. < 1385447751 458583 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, storage only. < 1385447791 856509 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use builtins to get a real float out of em < 1385447803 566018 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do, like, arithmetic. < 1385447893 527367 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are length three vectors. ok then! < 1385447976 696467 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :float4 f = (float4)((float2)(1.0f, 2.0f), (float2)(3.0f, 4.0f)); < 1385447980 495375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel right at home. < 1385448062 436892 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man there are arbitrary permutations of vectors. rad i guess < 1385448129 776383 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = (float16)(a.xxxx, b.xyz, c.xyz, d.xyz, a.yzw) // now x is four of a.x, then b, c, d, then a permuted a. < 1385448594 306168 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A divide by zero with integer types does not cause an exception but will result in an unspecified value." fuck the police < 1385448939 981585 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385448952 473431 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385450620 53046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit floats ftw. < 1385450650 316402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague recollection some system somewhere had those as a built-in data type. < 1385450781 781949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programs would use 8-bit floats? < 1385450928 775694 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint8_t with a 64K multiplication table. < 1385450931 298850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of an example offhand. http://www.mrob.com/pub/math/floatformats.html (see "Microfloats") points out that the IBM PC keyboard repeat rate is set using what's essentially a floating-point format. < 1385450984 587230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385450990 596334 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :μ-law also acts as a sort of a floating point type. < 1385451134 108776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also mentioned on the page. < 1385452225 456736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385452709 671177 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385453142 749517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1385453636 796981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be useful, if PuTTY would have an option which, if enabled, does something special with SCROLL LOCK. How is such a feature made suggested? What I wanted it to do is: If scroll lock is on, it does two things: [1] Disables the "reset scrollback" options. [2] Makes the up/down/pgup/pgdn keys to scroll the window instead of sending to the server. < 1385453674 762204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it would seem useful to you, too? < 1385453822 506831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Might it be better if it would be defined to instead mean, it is undefined whether integer division by zero will cause an exception or an unspecified result? < 1385453833 510322 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385453875 330116 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385454841 762624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385455258 559834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385455313 972889 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385455369 718793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385456195 623377 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, GLSL also has the permutation thing. it's really useful when you're writing vector-intensive stuff < 1385456649 845436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385456712 438221 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385457459 243953 :ais523_!93bcc3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385457759 855306 :ais523_!93bcc3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode EM DASH < 1385457763 836130 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​— < 1385457766 706446 :ais523_!93bcc3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1385457772 257576 :ais523_!93bcc3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :public computer, no compose key :( < 1385457775 542481 :ais523_!93bcc3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :-( < 1385458005 306739 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385458033 842359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385458240 189413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode 'COMPOSITION SYMBOL' 'COMBINING ENCLOSING KEYCAP' # ais523_: There you go, a compose key. < 1385458241 843470 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⎄⃣ < 1385458259 993402 :ais523_!93bcc3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't render properly on this OS :-( < 1385458322 808970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It renders quite badly in my terminal, too. (Mostly okay in the browser.) < 1385459361 691099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.55.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385459368 590898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.55.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1385459368 748572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385459416 334749 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385459664 497881 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/jury-newegg-infringes-spangenberg-patent-must-pay-2-3-million/ < 1385459826 47810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a p. great patent < 1385459910 548869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The lawyers from both teams took in the verdict without emotion and shook hands following the verdict." "The weather shifted dramatically since the beginning of trial, and it was cold and rainy then." "Diffie looked the part of the eccentric genius, resplendent with his long white hair and beard. He spoke with a booming voice but carefully articulated manner; he was professorial but not ... < 1385459916 513120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... overbearing." That's a p. weird way of reporting. < 1385459923 970125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah < 1385459936 691363 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385459945 706556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385460052 771203 :ais523_!93bcc3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.166 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1385461086 493555 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385461089 690666 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385461180 204110 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385462023 135595 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385464708 300890 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385465217 198533 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385465309 321650 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385465704 116515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1385465723 79906 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385465724 869320 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1385465725 27372 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1385465730 652275 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1385465913 897301 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385468631 164201 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385469165 614501 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1385469692 532728 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385471202 610478 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385471248 947205 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385471256 731401 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385471656 936094 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385471735 319611 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385472470 899862 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bontopia matin! < 1385473181 603138 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385473313 918473 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385473370 418092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ties Bike and Frooxius together. “With their disconnection powers combined, may they be Present in this Channel and Not Leave!”
< 1385473525 108704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385473788 210327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeo < 1385473790 490931 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. < 1385473859 393035 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385473861 733298 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impomatic < 1385473861 891011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/ He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments./' wisdom/sgeo < 1385473866 546890 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385473869 113286 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385473874 211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the evidence is clear by now. < 1385473876 24102 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1385473878 17898 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards, and five genders. (See also: d-modules) < 1385473886 912813 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1385473957 447039 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you writing down the SGSGS? < 1385473960 329654 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true that I am not elliott. < 1385473968 533799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the SGSGS < 1385473972 240194 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played the Rabbi in Fiddle orn the Roof < 1385473976 435106 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange and Great SGeo Saga. < 1385473997 12380 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have two spare keyboards, but I have since thrown one out because it did not work < 1385473999 770751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i didn't hear you say any more about it, so i assume the latest auditions didn't go too well. < 1385474008 139734 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: didn't get any parts < 1385474018 607434 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I realised I really don't have the time < 1385474028 199199 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechanical keyboards are proliferating in our workplace. mwah ah ah. < 1385474041 973782 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gender thing I can't remember why, probably the kind of joke I make about myself < 1385474077 525283 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone sharing my surname is cited on the wikipedia page for d-modules < 1385474078 788740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because one of the genders is amnesiosexual hth < 1385474082 677158 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1385474084 854093 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, and Go. < 1385474095 376398 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did the torus get there < 1385474104 244363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently. < 1385474131 497242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly there is no way to find out unless you dare to poke into the murky depths of our hg browser. < 1385474166 439167 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385474182 469209 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling Taneb's torus is related to chess and pineapples... < 1385474185 706696 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385474190 392214 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people who taneb is not < 1385474192 558357 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond < 1385474204 545110 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an exhaustive list < 1385474205 452252 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385474231 733488 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385474232 981645 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, adding torus I think predates the pdf < 1385474251 941031 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? torus < 1385474253 932042 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented them. < 1385474265 231423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/b3ecbbf31355 <-- you definitely are amnesiosexual < 1385474267 864029 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1385474268 88007 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1385474276 432461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385474309 282226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you keep adding that s < 1385474377 644170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Impomatic never did anything weird enough to get into this database. < 1385474382 635683 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1385474407 451180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn impomatic never did anything weird enough to get into this database. < 1385474412 319308 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1385474442 437367 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! < 1385474444 4101 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, topologically, a torus is a torus (I think) < 1385474448 680438 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 14th < 1385474469 18992 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385474497 171215 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In response to "Topologically, an elliptic curve is a torus." dude < 1385474545 291908 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsing the PDF sources, apparently Sgeo is also a wall. < 1385474546 927197 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mystery solved < 1385474670 148011 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1385474678 615704 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could one argue that FALSE is the first modern esolang? < 1385474768 758985 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern? that'd imply we had a classical, a baroque, and a romantic esolanging periods. < 1385474787 796968 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: classical = P'', baroque = INTERCAL, romantic = Biota < 1385474790 339180 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved < 1385474875 919548 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385475144 377469 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 May I "interview" you for an essay on the impact of Turing's paper On Computable Numbers? < 1385475144 574475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385475519 133526 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biota wasn't the first 2D programming language. < 1385475707 704694 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mouse reminds me of FALSE and was quite a few years earlier. (I have a copy of Grogono's book) < 1385475806 674745 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1385476792 839720 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385477132 764237 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385477137 977423 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385477167 188768 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck grogono < 1385477167 576619 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1385477187 707753 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385477192 823644 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1385477193 510266 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 261420Z 22012KT 12SM -SHSN BKN030 BKN050 OVC080 01/M04 A3017 RMK SC5SC1AC2 SLP217 < 1385477202 12625 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better. < 1385477230 364006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1385477230 919915 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 261420Z 25012KT 9999 VCSH BKN025 07/04 Q1011 TEMPO 25030G40KT RMK WIND 670FT 26017G30KT < 1385477307 249330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much TEMPO < 1385477430 377226 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here they are called «abris tempo» → http://www.abristempo.com/ < 1385477467 829168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ô KAY < 1385477507 474886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ô CANADA. < 1385477558 701437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ CANADA < 1385477591 693520 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385477991 663364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385478056 109187 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385478115 278435 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1385478144 133498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome realzies < 1385478146 823137 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02realzies: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1385478361 560463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1385478372 330948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the package, it was received :D < 1385478384 757419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat! < 1385478395 338946 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps with small hands *CLACKACLACKACLACKACLACKACLACKA*
< 1385478397 397919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: good catch! < 1385478415 129433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but these packages were obviously destined to be eternally in transit! < 1385478435 602530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have doomed us all < 1385478460 249170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your hands sound suspiciously wooden < 1385478461 344236 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Doom was already Sealed when Roujo and I met irl. < 1385478468 376820 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plasticky. < 1385478474 10221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1385478478 484401 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we can restore the balance by putting another package in transit asap < 1385478489 806313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ah, good thinking < 1385478491 236115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quick, send me something cool < 1385478560 912857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a disturbance in the force < 1385478626 411765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else has suggested the world will end anyway due to the alignment of thanksgiving and the start of hanukkah < 1385478643 323774 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hi < 1385478645 775722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, clearly this has never happened before. < 1385478679 889319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe it will instead cause thanksgiving to last 8 times as long as usual. < 1385478736 261653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, please < 1385478737 206332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will _seem_ welcome, until they discover on the 3rd day that this does not extend to turkey supply. < 1385478753 536581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unlikely < 1385478769 940565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanksgiving leftovers always last well over a week < 1385478780 52412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i see < 1385478799 390558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :realzies: what brings you here? < 1385478809 416680 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1385478813 29472 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I been idling here < 1385478822 253428 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so were you already `relcomed? < 1385478828 324726 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol don't remember < 1385478833 509939 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't remember why I joined < 1385478839 981397 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah esoteric programming, sounded interesting < 1385478889 760143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie!!!! < 1385478892 329488 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: here we have réveillon leftovers. a little bit later in the year, but just about the same: lots of meat and gravy and sauces and things that make you fat even if they had some fruits in them at some time. < 1385478950 501618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jean-Baptiste Réveillon, (Paris, 1725 – Paris, 1811) was a French wallpaper manufacturer. Réveillon's career was an exemplary story of the self-made businessman in the Ancien Régime." < 1385478962 625263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you yelling for fizzie? < 1385478977 850152 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck réveillon < 1385478978 181525 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385478990 357485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if you look closely, you can see something missing... < 1385478993 866242 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9veillon_de_No%C3%ABl < 1385479013 905412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot could it be? < 1385479052 669151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fungotting idea < 1385479072 478014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION casts a nasty look over at fizzie. “I WANT MY FUNGOT FIX!”
< 1385479114 953283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"instant magique pour les enfants". yes please! <3 magic < 1385479184 430247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i note the cross-language links for that are generally like "christmas eve" < 1385479200 759418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's probably good you got some time off. you seem a bit overly attached. this could be the sign of addiction < 1385479230 145746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the english wp also has Réveillon by itself < 1385479333 595876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know anything about polar representation of quaternions < 1385479346 960432 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I can quit fungotting any time I want. < 1385479381 193592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good now's a good time < 1385479391 698773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the picture in french wp is actually swedish christmas eve. by carl larsson, who is of course _the_ painter to use for such. < 1385479404 641038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "no" < 1385479424 4514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O KAY < 1385479436 433147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: as oerjan said, “no.” < 1385479457 561530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1385479608 78325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh Réveillon made the paper for the montgolfier balloons < 1385479734 249723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His wine cellar, containing 2,000 bottles of wine, was pillaged and quickly consumed by the riotious mob. Réveillon and his family escaped by climbing a wall and fleeing to the nearby Bastille." < 1385479760 490884 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385479831 36196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm wine < 1385480007 21352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no. < 1385480067 652963 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1385480070 405925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. < 1385480548 513399 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385480584 728566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi there! (and nothing about my mother.) < 1385480584 949516 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah, it kinda is. :) must've been a burp. first time that's happened in a recent email he sent from think.com was in 1993. < 1385480703 923235 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 1993 is not recent < 1385480704 176574 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it features dolph lundgren. nuff said. :) for me, then period fnord me like that before: mors said i suck. choose two. i'd rather use some sort of < 1385480948 597985 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had a burger < 1385481316 161448 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesnt < 1385481404 562198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burgeousie < 1385481466 368890 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385481504 5656 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cringes at the sight of that missspelling
< 1385481525 982102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last u was note ven intended < 1385481588 961229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bourgeoisie DID I DO IT RITE < 1385481610 822918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the hardest word to spell ever, so... < 1385481660 669742 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR RITED IT WELL. < 1385481695 455728 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has too many vowels relative to consonants < 1385481697 533679 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutters to himself... «à cause que le monde ont de la misère tant que ça avec l'orthographe...»
< 1385481709 404750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boozhwazee < 1385481725 230992 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vowels are short! < 1385481728 539940 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a little better < 1385481816 385871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/buʁ.ʒwa.zi/. < 1385481854 775495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bourjoisie < 1385481864 779778 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. that reminds me it's been a long time since I've last disturbed Koen_ with my "horrible" accent :D < 1385481867 737915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the only plausible simplification < 1385481892 713020 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that'd be logicaler, but then you're going against the Académie Française of Décisions Stupides concerning la Langue Française. < 1385481983 803992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe someone could arrange to have the academie and the OQLF have an ... accident? < 1385482780 746284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385483031 413775 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385483616 102021 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for the right price, I could. < 1385483626 18657 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hey, people outside of Québec know about the OQLF! :D) < 1385483674 796414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this channel, no less < 1385483695 849412 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385484043 833793 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385484436 470310 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the CPU automatically increment the instruction pointer with each instruction, and if so, what happens once the code reaches the end of the code segment (or addressable memory, even) < 1385484456 566992 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it just stop? < 1385484468 325315 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385484580 944586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385484756 846768 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't heard enough canadian french to imagine what boily's accent sounds like < 1385484777 151198 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385484821 339134 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quebecer accent is hilarious < 1385484824 938242 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to us french people < 1385484960 697260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385484990 742069 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: sample → http://www.radio-canada.ca/widgets/mediaconsole/medianet/6893298 < 1385485048 956819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1385485049 114991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1385485087 801726 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@candy? < 1385485087 959373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1385485090 92425 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385485092 865770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb I'm not opposed to the idea, but given that I've never actually read that paper, it may be a less informative paper interview than you expect < 1385485093 23323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385485103 520233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this reminds me < 1385485119 583759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question that this channel has a decent chance of knowing the answer of < 1385485132 532531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a monad for which a >>= b is defined as a b? < 1385485137 850917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and does it have a name?) < 1385485145 271630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a applied to b? < 1385485148 395592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1385485155 156505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you mean b a? < 1385485173 37198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think so, but that might inspire me < 1385485184 735868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised that something I did for work looked a lot like do-notation < 1385485186 913628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's is the Identity monad. < 1385485192 478927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tried to work out the monad it was the do notation for < 1385485200 275210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes (modulo newtypes). < 1385485225 235069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1385485229 437018 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd have (a :: m p) and (b :: p -> m q) and (a >>= b :: m q) < 1385485244 762804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385485248 503874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my do-notation looks something like "(a, b, c) <- x; (d,e) <- y a b; (f) <- z c d e" < 1385485258 3307 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only application you can get outta there is "b a" where m is Identity < 1385485283 423487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which desugars into \q.x(\(a,b,c).y(\(d,e).z(\f.q))) < 1385485318 210840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe that's a continuation monad of some sort? < 1385485330 114652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: given that a >>= return = a for all monads, what would return be in yours? < 1385485343 983316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or trying to be one somehow. < 1385485358 864119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure, I just noticed the similarity to do-notation < 1385485363 993777 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385485377 537947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made me think there might be a monad in there somewhere < 1385485409 117279 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385485419 218672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need a return = a (with some newtype wrapping for the types to even work) < 1385485439 514522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a >>= b = a b is the wrong definition < 1385485451 943121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's compose < 1385485453 177758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand your desugaring. < 1385485453 420568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not apply < 1385485465 8753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a >>= b = a . b < 1385485469 14065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a lot saner < 1385485544 271923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you need return x . b = b x < 1385485563 31377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, which way round does compose go? < 1385485565 129094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's b.a < 1385485586 334747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x.(a >>= b) x = b(a(x)) < 1385485599 482462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> b(a(x)) < 1385485600 552205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `t1 -> t0' with actual type `Expr' < 1385485600 709913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The function `b' is applied to one argument, < 1385485600 710043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : but its type `Expr' has none < 1385485609 824319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \b -> \a -> \x -> b(a(x)) < 1385485610 556080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t1 -> t) -> (t2 -> t1) -> t2 -> t < 1385485613 38655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1385485613 931883 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b (a x) == (b.a) x < 1385485626 399471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then (>>=) = flip (.) < 1385485634 545136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for being so bad at Haskell :-( < 1385485645 510112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What happens to the "y a b" and "z c d e" in your desugaring? < 1385485663 380851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, whoops < 1385485709 170333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces \q->x(\(a,b,c)->(y a b)(\(d,e)->(z c d e))(\f->q))) < 1385485739 889833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apologies for the gratuitous Verity < 1385485750 47390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to remember that Haskell uses -> not . in its lambdas < 1385485775 685185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I see how that "q" thing is working. < 1385485776 282131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think you still have some parentheses wrong there, but otherwise it's the Cont monad. < 1385485784 746335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1385485789 2963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe that this is Cont < 1385485789 160943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you drop the \q-> < 1385485794 328665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's fine < 1385485807 201214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I have to go now. < 1385485829 756072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the application for this is that I'm trying to write a linker < 1385485835 225346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src >>= Cont < 1385485835 382853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I am sorry. < 1385485839 925667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Cont >>= < 1385485840 83339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Do you think like you type? < 1385485843 888619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vanishes for a while.
< 1385485846 109620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ContT >>= < 1385485846 287530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You untyped fool! < 1385485853 48977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src >>= ContT < 1385485853 206616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1385485856 635488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Cont (>>=) < 1385485856 793065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :m >>= k = Cont $ \c -> runCont m $ \a -> runCont (k a) c < 1385485857 508862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1385485872 788358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add type Contt r a = (a -> r) -> r < 1385485876 229393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that links together various libraries which are basically just open terms < 1385485881 102296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: please fix @src to be parenthesis-insensitive thx < 1385485887 535974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Contt r a -> (a -> Contt r b) -> Contt r b < 1385485887 536138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c = a (\ d -> b d c) < 1385485910 539845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e please fix @src to be parenthesis-insensitive thx < 1385485910 697457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385485977 878039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh your \q is actually correct < 1385485979 326159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385485992 546329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Cont < 1385486009 249191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we ever get to talk to keymaker < 1385486010 562304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought it would be, otherwise I don't see how >>= would be associative < 1385486021 477262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, another reason it didn't make sense is that you don't have a ... at the end of the do block. < 1385486031 429517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't actually mean a lone "q" at the end there, I guess. < 1385486049 865913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah right < 1385486056 330442 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385486061 321785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a lone \q at the start either, though < 1385486085 819167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1385486095 368289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why don't we ever get to talk to keymaker <-- i don't think he uses irc? < 1385486103 438478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen keymaker ever < 1385486107 538470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A do block can't end on a <-, anyway. < 1385486114 780930 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the gate keeper < 1385486129 232057 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: koo koo kachoo < 1385486134 439191 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385486172 225494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen keymaker ever < 1385486174 147002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really vanishes.
< 1385486203 158052 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385486225 442017 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen output < 1385486230 113499 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen output ever < 1385486236 142355 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen output ever < 1385486239 241797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/seen < 1385486240 609581 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#! /usr/bin/env perl \ ($n,$e)=split /\s+/, join(" ",@ARGV); $n=~s/ *$//; $c="ls -r /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt"; $c.=" | head -n 30" unless $e eq "ever"; @f=split /\s+/, `$c`; for $f (@f) { open F,"<$f"; @l=grep(/^..:..:..: <$n>/i,); close F; if (@l) { $b=$f; $b=~s#.*/(.*?).txt#$1#; print "$b $l[-1]"; exit 1; } } print $e eq "ever < 1385486247 677981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/seen < 1385486251 223355 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/seen < 1385486256 862431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're not *really* a part of the community if you're not in the channel RIGHT < 1385486267 141381 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385486298 732111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not supposed to give no output if it doesn't find somewhere, so it's probably timing out < 1385486319 555914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of course means he hasn't been here in a _long_ time. < 1385486326 985409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs keymaker < 1385486335 539478 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28419 < 1385486365 697593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh he was here in 2004 < 1385486378 497466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _lot_. < 1385486399 594451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs keymaker has < 1385486408 201391 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32253 < 1385486429 527701 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tail that? < 1385486436 194795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got up to 2005. < 1385486437 64849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not here in 2004. i didn't even create spiral until 2004. < 1385486492 906609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/pastelogs < 1385486494 104751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385486494 601317 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastelogs < 1385486502 797350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix reloaded came out in 2003 < 1385486511 297839 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which pastelog < 1385486512 578272 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastelog < 1385486512 980052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe that was when keymaker came into existence < 1385486517 404445 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/pastelog < 1385486519 251324 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastelog < 1385486550 610333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stopping is written into the pastelogs program. < 1385486560 310505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385486642 439159 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog keymaker has quit < 1385486658 992081 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20577 < 1385486675 822283 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last here in 2008 < 1385486693 548750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, anyway speaking of keymaker, Etre really is a tour de force in my opinion. there couldn't have been an easier lang to implement in SELECT. < 1385486757 541030 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION foresees a future in which all new imperative tape languages are reduced from Etre rather than BF
< 1385486809 319971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but BF has IO! < 1385486886 833939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: that's irrelevant to TC-ness, boily < 1385486918 619066 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: IO is unnecessary for TC! < 1385486933 512136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's necessary for BF-completeness < 1385486937 650122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a real, interesting category < 1385486973 850448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, if I have a lang that's really /really/ eso and want to prove it TC, then cyclic tag tends to be easiest < 1385487031 66330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT? < 1385487098 586626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT is a specific syntax for cyclic tag < 1385487118 967251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you can invent a syntax for Turing machines, say < 1385487133 339488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Turing machines are a concept that exists independent of syntax < 1385487146 698522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? i thought it was just specifying the alphabet was 10 and a specific rule for when to apply the production < 1385487184 864736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1385487193 110291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclic tag always has an alphabet of two symbols < 1385487202 261361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the original tag that can have more < 1385487211 850318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclic tag would have been harder to implement than etre for SELECT. < 1385487258 714974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385487275 46247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, really? that surprises me < 1385487316 539029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etre needs an extendable tape, whereas cyclic tag needs a queue, which mostly uses the same structure but doesn't need an internal pointer < 1385487381 333204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385487386 922252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an infinite tape is already a feature in SELECT < 1385487393 530787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as a tape pointer < 1385487432 885452 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PART :#esoteric < 1385487443 936511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is in most imperative tape languages < 1385487843 475681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I consider those uninteresting :-) < 1385487931 855130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to be uninteresting. depends on what your goals are < 1385488000 179013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, i came up with a new lang. partially. basically it's oklopol's minigolf idea in 3D. interesting because i have a TC proof. < 1385488002 922046 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I haven't seen yet: a Game of Life where cells are fragments of a 2D esolang. < 1385488034 8655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i am not trying to encode anything in the decimal digits) < 1385488044 293236 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: make it < 1385488152 941909 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: after reimplementating metasepia. < 1385488182 96316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: inventing a languabe is not nearly so time-consuming as implementing *anything* < 1385488196 706988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :languabes are fun < 1385488202 687112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats a languabe
< 1385488252 113967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat a languava, it's healthy. < 1385488256 76726 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Languabes are edible and fun. They provide a quick implementation energy boost!' >wisdom/languabe < 1385488260 47956 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385488378 842055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION unvanishes a bit.
< 1385488384 992874 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385488518 113534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you figure out your monad? < 1385488676 539626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, it was Cont < 1385488721 436395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont is p. good < 1385488729 963737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codensity is even better, of course. < 1385489775 951814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, today I had a complaint that Verity wasn't sexp-based, making it harder to implement a macro syste < 1385489778 723914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*system < 1385489789 234711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conclusion for this is that the world generally needs better ways to manipulate parse trees < 1385489810 235481 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 i don't think opencl c even has provisions for exceptions < 1385489810 397970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385489842 358279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you implement an exception happening in some threads and not others? < 1385489865 885394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if statements are a little tricky to implement at anything finer-grained than the warp level < 1385489888 731469 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385489888 889153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :closest you can get is to do the calculations anyway and just not store the data anywhere < 1385489924 396449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, Don Knuth apparently uses this technique when writing INTERCAL < 1385489944 318769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because it's necessary, but because he finds it easier than actually writing a control flow statement < 1385490127 249375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like don. he seems like a p cool guy. < 1385490129 295814 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many warps do you support? < 1385490129 464243 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hmm. when was it pebble and co surge? < 1385490169 790276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pebbles are smart watches. the co-everything are propagated by Nutty Categoricists. < 1385490170 34935 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: forth is worth learning ( for chicken at least behaves much like emacs lisp to me. all you need is < 1385490217 545911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: his secretary has actually emailed me, because esr CCed me on an email to him and it went reply-all from then on < 1385490225 994542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: s/fnord/chicken/g < 1385490229 184290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was commissioning a new version of C-INTERCAL < 1385490234 920311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day, we may find out why < 1385490236 356214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :his secretary has emailed me also < 1385490248 373483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385490249 876647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1385490282 301859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why is a new version necessary? is the spec changing? < 1385490305 713998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: he just wanted a bugfix release, it seems < 1385490314 154599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was accidentally removed from the bank of san serriffe page < 1385490315 613918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to make sure everything was up to date < 1385490322 492733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also some other thing < 1385490341 384144 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are there any bugs? < 1385490350 976377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we find them every now and then < 1385490380 207266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a particularly nasty one I fixed a couple of months ago: https://gitorious.org/intercal/intercal/commit/a905156af4fd2ab88036f59c13321081bd203d47 < 1385490758 815924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, the bug was in the build system so you don't need to know any INTERCAL to understand it < 1385490898 795458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. what is ick though < 1385490906 830790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is pit < 1385490943 612392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ick is the Intercal compiler library < 1385490949 39245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pit is the directory containing the testsuite < 1385491036 1619 :activ_Trinidad!~Jorge@proxy.suss.co.cu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385491044 566994 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome activ_Trinidad < 1385491047 404833 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02activ_Trinidad: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1385491063 928754 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido activ_Trinidad < 1385491066 185601 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :activ_Trinidad: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.ne < 1385491069 989667 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bots are around nowadays < 1385491092 804814 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385491123 495775 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the bot prefix list again < 1385491138 181549 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: there's a bot prefix list? < 1385491147 622310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego has it? < 1385491179 160059 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1385491179 317899 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1385491202 454763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if things were sane, it would be accessible by just saying "prefices" on its own line without any prefix) < 1385491236 25202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen blsqbot < 1385491240 160997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen blsqbot ever < 1385491240 318690 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen blsqbot ever < 1385491245 367240 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-08 14:18:29: Pong! < 1385491262 788215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a nonbot < 1385491448 917430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1385491450 15396 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1385491452 887221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes < 1385491454 763985 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1385491459 480212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just checking.) < 1385491494 845219 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't lambdabot also respond to > ? < 1385491497 787656 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 1 < 1385491498 692851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1385491530 200070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite the same sort of prefix, but admittedly it is a kind of a prefix. < 1385491546 652076 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean, it invokes lambdabot < 1385491546 995998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Int < 1385491547 954627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1385491558 928410 :activ_Trinidad!~Jorge@proxy.suss.co.cu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385491567 713548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: You're such a prefix-hog. < 1385491592 370678 :activ_Trinidad!~Jorge@proxy.suss.co.cu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385491595 802523 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't respond to its name < 1385491603 683438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinky Are you thinking what fizzie is thinking? < 1385491603 841384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But where will we find an open tattoo parlor at this time of night? < 1385491615 672141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm thinking the same. < 1385491616 739342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: ? < 1385491616 764766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . 1337 ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s bf bid botsnack bouvier brain bug check choice-add choose cide clear-messages clear-topic compose define dequeue-topic devils dice dict-help djinn djinn-add djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval faq farber < 1385491616 765000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :flush foldoc forget fortune free freshname gazetteer get-shapr get-topic ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage haskellers help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect irc-password jargon join karma karma+ karma- karma-all keal kind l33t learn leave leet let list listall listchans listmodules < 1385491616 765110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :listservers localtime localtime-reply messages messages-loud messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline palomer part paste ping pinky pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pop-topic pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices push-topic queue-topic quit quote rc < 1385491616 897186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconnect remember repoint roll run sequence set-topic shift-topic shootout show slap smack spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thesaurus thx tic-tac-toe ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless unshift-topic uptime url v vera version vote what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzo < 1385491616 897363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jcbxybbruweejw yow < 1385491622 164843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to anyone good at hackego: the bienvenido message drops a "t" at the end < 1385491638 60184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help jcbxybbruweejw < 1385491638 221385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1385491649 474373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also drops a ). < 1385491650 237458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1385491650 394996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :V RETURNS! < 1385491654 756614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385491682 344511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@v < 1385491682 502212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: <> < 1385491699 613731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 346357 < 1385491700 109809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1385491716 833930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 32,53,92 < 1385491717 242740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1385491742 352811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,11,21,1211 < 1385491743 42912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Look and Say sequence: describe the previous term! (method A - initial term ... < 1385491764 759463 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385491795 299386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tic-tac-toe < 1385491795 457244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a nice game of chess? < 1385491804 369865 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385491816 517817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-list < 1385491816 675567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :["(++)","ConfusedWithVixenSituation","FlavaOfJRuby","Prelude-(.)?","best-programming-language","best-spoken-language","food","funniest-thing-in-the-whole-world","naming","nethack","president","prove->","remove@src","sleep"] < 1385491833 684864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result funniest-thing-in-the-whole-world < 1385491833 842674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for funniest-thing-in-the-whole-world (Open): unintentionally-funny-situations=1, Poles=1 < 1385491850 378481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result nethack < 1385491850 535877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for nethack (Open): Val_Dwa_Fem_Law=1, Wiz_Elf_Mal_Cha=1 < 1385491860 370353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1385491863 818462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wizard should be a gnome :-( < 1385491867 386008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but valks are better < 1385491868 603663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome? Why? < 1385491886 471623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result best-spoken-language < 1385491886 666934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): magyar=3, Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8 < 1385491886 667139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you get to play neutral < 1385491889 931694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their caps are easily high enough < 1385491891 351519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always played Wiz_Elf_Mal_Cha back in the day. < 1385491896 224535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're not human, which is the really important thing < 1385491901 882037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's quite a win for Polish. < 1385491905 206526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the advantage of being neutral? < 1385491919 934590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no chaotic disadvantages, and you get the best artifact selection < 1385491944 480128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get Magicbane and the quest artifact anyway. < 1385491953 384071 :activ_Trinidad!~Jorge@proxy.suss.co.cu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385491965 560668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the chaotic disadvantages? < 1385491975 905627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the artifact advantages? < 1385491981 780370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't played NetHack in quite a while.) < 1385492046 556315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :artifact advantages: there is 1 useful lawful artifact and basically 0 useful chaotic artifacts (best is the MKoT, which isn't really good) < 1385492053 39541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the lawful artifact's only really good on speedruns < 1385492058 600286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like 5 or 6 viable neutral artifacts < 1385492064 910439 :activ_Trinidad!~Jorge@proxy.suss.co.cu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385492086 287253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaotic disadvantages (and advantages) are all minor but there are a lot of them < 1385492091 140426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a lot to keep in track < 1385492098 5034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god mollification is a big one, it's harder for chaotics < 1385492103 707240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1385492133 638890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being less of a penalty for killing shopkeepers, or something. < 1385492178 728078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but if you're powerful enough to kill the shopkeeper, the penalty mostly doesn't matter anyway < 1385492202 518331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should play NetHack 4. < 1385492263 393169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you might want to wait a couple of weeks, we're working on a stable version atm < 1385492292 370200 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to do stuff with the stack, but the assembler bitches when I do this : < 1385492297 506854 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :push 2, mov dx, [sp] < 1385492310 941383 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a syntax problem or can you not move the stack pointer? < 1385492321 203566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. < 1385492324 370864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the comma after 2 for < 1385492335 387393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the mov after the comma for < 1385492342 870751 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not in the program < 1385492349 107183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those two lines? < 1385492352 23919 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to paste it here in one line < 1385492356 470010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1385492358 719561 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :push 2 < 1385492359 18938 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov dx, [sp] < 1385492363 770139 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you insist < 1385492380 182813 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "reserved word used as symbol" < 1385492411 921435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On which token? < 1385492413 458755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering whether derefencing sp is allowed, but it probably is due to omit-frame-pointer < 1385492434 699317 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mov dx, [sp], no idea which part < 1385492442 530811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be fine (at least on 32-bit x86?). < 1385492444 59898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Intel syntax very well. < 1385492536 693573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need to specify "dword" or something? < 1385492616 621873 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe < 1385492620 952773 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how big is SP < 1385492675 206987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be "word" or whatever it's called. But I don't think that's the issue. < 1385492772 88255 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're both 16? < 1385492800 288270 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, it's the address < 1385492812 317174 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385492812 965481 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I think addresses are 4 bytes < 1385492819 719909 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the problem < 1385492825 452278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you using sp, then? < 1385492838 133667 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looking at the content of the stack < 1385492890 56339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp is a 16-bit register < 1385492894 806214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you want esp. < 1385492925 393620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he had esp, he'd already know the answer < 1385492933 638427 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd just read some intel guru's mind < 1385492938 968991 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but when you use it in an address, it points to a 4 bytes object, no? < 1385492950 454382 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 < 1385492960 380046 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is the problem < 1385492989 868345 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would either be mov edx,[sp] or mov dx, byte ptr [sp], I guess < 1385493011 520629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1385493021 323636 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try. < 1385493022 77739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1385493278 798807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't need "word ptr" for "mov dx, [sp]" because the size is known from the destination being a 16-bit register < 1385493302 18467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. < 1385493329 320378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought Slereah is doing 16-bit programmin' < 1385493342 683101 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385493352 358345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so too, but in that case what's the "addresses are 4 bytes" deal? < 1385493359 363782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrongness? < 1385493379 913414 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385493383 558585 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong, yes < 1385493388 803716 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1385493393 239259 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't know the problem < 1385493412 606329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe [sp] addressing modes just don't exist in 16-bit < 1385493423 335773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the code assemble if you change sp to another register? < 1385493429 89040 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385493445 368991 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1385493448 110610 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't < 1385493450 139169 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385493454 612745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit x86 is less orthogonal than the newer versions; it's more of a thing that ax is the "accumulator" and bx is the "base" and such < 1385493462 183416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this affects what you can do with them < 1385493473 728455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, looks like that's right. < 1385493490 139429 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe flat assembler doesn't use [] < 1385493499 866144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried getting this working here and it didn't work with mov edx,[esp] either. < 1385493505 606290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385493511 9206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that was an issue with GNU as's Intel mode or something. < 1385493518 314995 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, mov dx, [bx] works < 1385493524 958866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I did manage to get code that disassembled to that. < 1385493529 858320 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess sp is the problem < 1385493538 866227 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to get the value of the stack pointer? < 1385493550 807610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yeah, you can use bp, si, di, bx as pointers, but maybe not the other regs in 16-bit mode < 1385493571 313400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: mov ax, sp < 1385493586 516999 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess what I want is like < 1385493595 299838 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ax, sp < 1385493602 152225 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov bx, [ax] < 1385493664 633168 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works! < 1385493675 17254 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo < 1385493686 582899 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385493695 196263 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any less circuitous way to get a value from the stack without popping it? < 1385493736 603635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just pop and then sub sp, 2 ;P < 1385493745 471622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop bx; ... what kmc said < 1385493755 161379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's probably more circuitous, though. < 1385493763 143660 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't I need add sp, 2? < 1385493767 237181 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To put the pointer back up? < 1385493775 880790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack grows towards smaller addresses < 1385493777 938124 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385493780 884750 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1385493782 201368 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1385493792 461170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this confuses roughly everyone at some point < 1385493796 983122 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess both are as circuitous < 1385493836 838494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i find out all these things < 1385493843 562495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably by looking at disassembled code < 1385493874 542337 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish assembly was a bit less stringent with its functiond < 1385493884 570927 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just treating all registers the same way < 1385493888 717596 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for specific functions < 1385493897 252945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you writing 16-bit x86 < 1385493902 451272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the newer versions of x86 are more like that < 1385493908 852257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other architectures even moreso < 1385493909 877084 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running it in DosBox < 1385493925 121022 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure it allows 32 < 1385493927 896264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the original ARM architecture, even the instruction pointer is an ordinary register that can be used as an operand for anything else < 1385493938 606732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it does, however you'd need to write the code to switch to 32-bit mode yourself, which is gross < 1385493945 681369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hook into some "dos extender" < 1385493946 790282 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385493954 431344 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait to be a bit more experimented first < 1385493957 838200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just write 32-bit Linux programs in assembly instead < 1385493959 85671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shrug < 1385493961 793517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit is fun < 1385493966 323814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a boot sector graphics demo :) < 1385493977 342385 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it weird that they always say "you can't change the IP!" everywhere < 1385493984 652614 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But JMP is basically mov ip < 1385493986 759575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385494021 918906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even do "jmp [some_addr]" which is like "mov ip, [some_addr]" < 1385494023 757759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "jmp ax" < 1385494045 690783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even conditional move into ip < 1385494049 525947 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way < 1385494050 191869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. sophisticated < 1385494050 628278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually do a mov ip on a PIC, but the jmp is more efficient because there are only two registers you can assign a constant to, and one of them's the IP < 1385494087 487642 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I move the IP in such a way that the variables are interpreted as functions? < 1385494102 564019 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like say, I dunno < 1385494121 814978 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456 is [opcode 12] 34 56 < 1385494125 932775 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do ip++ < 1385494130 702076 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385494133 168794 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it reads as [opcode 34] 56 < 1385494142 44415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: sure < 1385494146 952268 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat < 1385494147 791347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes that's used for golfing, or obfuscatoin < 1385494150 945139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obfuscation < 1385494153 367010 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385494178 94918 :activ_Trinidad!~Jorge@proxy.suss.co.cu PART :#esoteric < 1385494288 291760 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385494794 234536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1385494795 984208 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion < 1385494801 45805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1385494802 207729 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion < 1385494842 839571 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`peanut-butter-fjelly-list < 1385494844 81392 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: peanut-butter-fjelly-list: not found < 1385494854 769928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflistdeluxe < 1385494856 224771 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflistdeluxe: < 1385494861 281058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a shame. < 1385494872 303120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would've gotten higher-quality updates, and earlier. < 1385495107 151270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_LIBCPP_ALWAYS_INLINE _LIBCPP_CONSTEXPR operator int __nat::*() const {return 0;} < 1385495130 456557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why that was wanted always inline < 1385495135 996902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like an excellent candidate for constexpr < 1385495145 620110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm < 1385495154 241031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't parse operator int __nat::*()
< 1385495165 931223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"operator int" is a fine name for a function < 1385495168 256148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, constexpr is useful in case you want to parse something in terms of it < 1385495178 813148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't that the name of the "(int)" cast that casts things to int? < 1385495188 732048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what's the "__nat::*()" doing < 1385495200 656184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1385495231 165317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's that from < 1385495232 232777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, my attempted fix to the random compose key breakages didn't help < 1385495237 819241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hmm… < 1385495239 602079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1385495260 342747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's from libc++ i guess < 1385495265 96224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's from compiler errors" < 1385495271 539252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's an int*, with a weird order < 1385495298 646267 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man the part that's really gonna be shitty is when I'll have to learn protected mode < 1385495305 166076 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't understand much so far < 1385495314 288592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, https://llvm.org/viewvc/llvm-project/libcxx/trunk/include/cstddef?revision=111750&pathrev=113270 clears up a bit about it, maybe. < 1385495333 619578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: writing ordinary userspace code to run under a typical protected mode OS is nice and simple < 1385495345 160389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: putting the CPU into protected mode yourself, i.e. writing a protected mode OS, is not simple < 1385495358 521529 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1385495367 556504 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at it a bit < 1385495374 320967 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to quite grasp it < 1385495379 455710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1385495426 348648 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The global descriptor table, I guess < 1385495449 756702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic thing is that in real mode, the segment selector registers (cs ds es ss fs gs) are just a value that gets multiplied by 16 and added to your address, but in protected mode they are indexes into one of these descriptor tables < 1385495463 313287 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much I got < 1385495468 218559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each entry ("segment descriptor") in the descriptor table describes a segment < 1385495468 523173 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do you fill these tables < 1385495481 539781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they live in memory < 1385495494 570185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the type "int T::*"? < 1385495499 283711 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why does the code even have overlapping segments? < 1385495503 922518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where T is a struct. < 1385495506 985696 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the weirdest part < 1385495509 461795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just build those structures in memory and then use the "sgdt" instruction to set the global descriptor table base < 1385495520 724078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: LGDT. < 1385495530 522006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it < 1385495531 703113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1385495546 562175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what about it's weird? < 1385495548 645418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1385495571 118734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like, LGDT loads the GDT register from memory, and SGDT stores it into memory, like other L/S pairs.) < 1385495587 450021 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't the address built as DS * 1000h + DI instead of * 10h < 1385495597 406804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385495601 278505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're back to real mode now < 1385495609 332627 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1385495622 842850 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I'm asking is, why did they even need protected mode to access all memory < 1385495642 613619 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *10h is kind of weird < 1385495646 209638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because real mode had already been defined that way < 1385495650 781968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I can explain why, too < 1385495674 898763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's handy for a kind of position independent code < 1385495676 320893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "ptr-operator: * cv-qualifier-seq_opt | & | ::_opt nested-name-specifier * cv-qualifier-seq_opt" is part of the C++ declarator syntax, but I can't quite figure out what it means. < 1385495690 350009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your code doesn't need to know where it lives in physical memory, as long as CS is properly initialized when it runs < 1385495740 54249 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but in that case, why not let DI or whatever offset run the full course of the segment < 1385495749 859586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1385495760 491027 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but then you get overlap < 1385495768 994781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "segment" in the real mode context is just 2^16 consecutive bytes < 1385495780 529639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 16-byte alignment < 1385495809 710001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're adjusting CS to relocate code then you want it to be *10h so that you can put it on any 16-byte-aligned address < 1385495824 65861 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aligned? < 1385495828 32106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were *10000h then you could only put it at one of 16 different points < 1385495835 813193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yes, meaning the address is a multiple of 16 < 1385495840 204667 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385495860 453747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of 16 different points, assuming the physical address size is still 20 bits) < 1385495899 952029 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does the protected mode allow you 2^32 addresses by having the two address arguments not overlap? < 1385495908 324092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : template < 1385495908 529147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : _LIBCPP_ALWAYS_INLINE < 1385495908 687294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : operator _Tp _Up::* () const {return 0;} < 1385495908 687493 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And be indexed by a table as a nicety) < 1385495909 579224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1385495949 115925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Actually, are you sure operator int __nat::*() const {return 0;} isn't just the same as int __nat::operator *() const { return 0; } ? < 1385495982 269422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, an overload for the unary * with a return type of int. < 1385495993 312647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: well, firstly, let's ignore the 286's weirdo 16-bit protected mode < 1385496006 77783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, because it gives a different error message. < 1385496020 575049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, "protected mode" also means "32-bit mode", and the base specified in a segment descriptor is 32 bits < 1385496028 306794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they still overlap... 32-bit base plus 32-bit pointer < 1385496033 596857 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1385496050 429836 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backward compatibility is nice but damn, you have to drag some shit < 1385496052 218575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there's no multiply now < 1385496054 761073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385496072 668917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this overlapping isn't backwards compat though < 1385496077 84612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a totally different CPU mode < 1385496085 481973 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but the fact that real mode is still around < 1385496088 228047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385496103 231455 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still being real mode in 16 bits < 1385496106 552319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that but there's a new "Virtual 8086" mode in the 386 which lets you run real mode code within a protected mode OS < 1385496115 71412 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a long mode with 64 bits registers < 1385496119 77685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1385496126 406251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's x86-64 i.e. amd64 < 1385496129 16511 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet the CPU still has to drag around the 16 bits mode < 1385496132 311330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385496135 794806 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like some old grmapa in a wheelchair < 1385496151 545763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with EFI you don't need to write 16-bit code when you write an OS, anymore < 1385496180 587528 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any CPUs that don't have backward compatibility issues like that? < 1385496184 703712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1385496186 783764 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are just servicable on their own < 1385496198 580970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-x86 CPUs < 1385496200 652543 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder to what extent real mode is basically a complete 8086 < 1385496209 657247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, Alpha was 64-bit from the beginning < 1385496213 954203 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1385496241 563524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if there are (say) MIPS64 or AArch64 (64-bit ARM) chips that only run in those modes < 1385496244 635903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect not < 1385496260 733959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1385496273 938520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're putting a soft MIPS64 in your FPGA, you probably don't want to waste FPGA resources on compat modes < 1385496278 991360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bet you can disable them for that < 1385496296 185650 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel did make a 386 or two that could only run in 32-bit protected mode, but nothing like that since then < 1385496310 996019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway MIPS and ARM and PowerPC don't have any legacy 16-bit mode like x86 has < 1385496313 765216 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how far back the compatibility extends < 1385496319 122637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu: oh, interesting! do you have some info on that? < 1385496329 492610 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like could you still install the old DOS on modern CPUs < 1385496335 691286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so < 1385496350 814681 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80376 < 1385496357 208583 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah DOS runs on modern cpus < 1385496362 314544 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang < 1385496366 719393 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatibility goes back to the 8086 < 1385496372 517782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu: nice < 1385496382 797294 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try sticking a freedos boot cd in your computer, it'll work and that's all real mode code < 1385496383 543954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always interested in non-PC-compatible x86 platforms < 1385496427 902670 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385496428 829187 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day we will have quantum computers and they will have a fucking 16 qbit mode < 1385496432 787366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1385496449 155679 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's gonna be 16 atoms just there to run the DOS < 1385496461 377958 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I like seeing the x86 used in non-pc things < 1385496473 875387 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A)bort, (R)etry, (D)o both < 1385496477 918466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1385496479 15438 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays the chips are so tied to being pcs though < 1385496481 123099 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385496488 484499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OLPC XO-1 is an x86 platform with OpenFirmware < 1385496539 815564 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there were quantum computers out by now < 1385496543 882752 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point somebody's going to just go fuck ISA, fuck all this 80s legacy shit < 1385496550 10956 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could at least use my half quantum physics half software engineering diploma < 1385496559 610359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 80s are here to stay man < 1385496561 980167 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what quantum assembly looks like < 1385496576 935230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool you have a quantum physics diploma? < 1385496578 886228 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a quantum version of Core War < 1385496581 514600 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i think quantum computers work by physically arranging bits somehow < 1385496590 397593 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they're at the eniac stages < 1385496595 867868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I think it's a member pointer. < 1385496610 210321 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENIAC had punchcards, no? < 1385496617 162337 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but no stored program < 1385496620 842040 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to wire it in < 1385496621 25158 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did they recode it by rewiring? < 1385496624 726779 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1385496631 745776 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually they hacked it up to support stored programs though < 1385496650 270409 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles QUANTUM ASSEMBLY
< 1385496658 768376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I had just arrived at that same conclusion. < 1385496660 278415 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was after other computers that actually supported it from the start were built < 1385496662 394028 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future, we'll have holographic cubes. (mind you, those will be 80-column cubes, EBCDIC) < 1385496673 267459 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385496675 549660 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 colors! < 1385496682 621191 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0201/0201082.pdf < 1385496683 963683 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessss < 1385496690 456564 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM C < 1385496695 69745 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to put that on my resume < 1385496696 183352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ☝ < 1385496707 653287 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an expert in quantum COBOL < 1385496712 702216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ? < 1385496717 22552 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man < 1385496717 241035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In retrospect, I guess that should've been pretty obvious, and I thought of it, but then for some reason discarded the idea. < 1385496725 150391 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum Core War is described here http://www.freelogy.org/wiki/Coreworld_QTAAS < 1385496725 308183 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine the esolangs you could do < 1385496728 760945 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM BRAINFUCK < 1385496751 475935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's pointer-to-member syntax. < 1385496756 652708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/comphelp/v8v101/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.xlcpp8a.doc%2Flanguage%2Fref%2Fcplr034.htm < 1385496763 724101 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a world... saturated with quantum brainfuck derivatives... a young boy is about to discover his destiny... < 1385496789 890953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah i thought it might be < 1385496790 144619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a conversion operator into a pointer-to-int-member-of-__nat. < 1385496794 980220 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many Tapes Interpretation < 1385496800 937943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't make it fit < 1385496813 890966 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for anybody who knows modern x86 architecture: do individual PCIX devices get assigned IO ports still < 1385496823 547539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what fizzie said makes sense < 1385496826 594237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also terrifying < 1385496843 566846 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? I fail to see the terror in fizzie's utterances. < 1385496869 49087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Then you've been C++-infected. We're going to have to put you out, sorry. < 1385496904 500564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how i learned to stop worrying and love c++ < 1385496940 49607 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like C peepee < 1385496969 407632 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh well. my only regret is to not have eaten as much sushi as I would have liked. < 1385497037 121965 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how close is a commercially available quantum CPU < 1385497049 618316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that one company which claims to sell a quantum computer < 1385497052 945081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people think it's bullshit maybe < 1385497068 680865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Wave_Systems < 1385497095 806685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be more of a special purpose device for quantum annealing, and not something which can implement an arbitrary quantum circuit < 1385497106 849154 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad < 1385497167 574978 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we emulate quantomputing on regular hardware? < 1385497173 585767 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1385497182 657889 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty old result, actually < 1385497195 886621 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probabilistic Turing machines have the same power as regular Turing machines < 1385497200 961664 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence you can emulate it < 1385497208 915108 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385497236 966117 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either by emulating all possible outputs, or if you can cheat, pseudo randum generator < 1385497281 614605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think doing it with a PRNG is satisfactory for the computability-theoretic result < 1385497287 751996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people do things like that in complexity theory < 1385497327 775515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can invent a PRNG which no poly-time algo can distinguish from true randomness, then you've proven BPP = P < 1385497332 805187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is called derandomization < 1385497341 876148 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385497343 602885 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if you have QUANTUM BRAINFUCK < 1385497349 924574 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a probability popping up < 1385497354 373556 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clone the tape < 1385497362 868841 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And work on the two tapes with the program < 1385497363 533563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's not known whether BPP = P; nobody has been able to do this yet < 1385497369 352687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do so many people not understand how quantum computers work < 1385497371 911547 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BPP? < 1385497375 254036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does P = NP iply that? < 1385497376 798859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*impl < 1385497380 81666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*imply < 1385497386 101574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, BPP is contained in NP < 1385497399 857452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/Complexity_Zoo:B#bpp < 1385497423 58442 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1385497424 200197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that definition of BPP actually doesn't refer to "randomness" per se < 1385497429 695250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makes it more obvious that BPP is in NP < 1385497453 528277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, BPP is the class of problems that can be solved efficiently on a TM if you have randomness < 1385497481 95176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the probability of a wrong answer needs to be sufficiently far from 1/2 that you can run the machine n times to get an O(2^n) reduction in the error rate < 1385497500 256837 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385497523 775782 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as the person credited with the proof of the universality of Wolfram's 2-3 machine, how important do you think it is to prove or disprove the Turing-completeness of things? < 1385497538 947751 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a sick sexual fetish for it < 1385497598 274952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think it's fun, but except when you're trying to design a sandbox or similar intentionally sub-TC system, it's less practically important than the question of whether it can run practically useful programs in a reasonable amount of time < 1385497646 87669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think people misunderstand quantum computers because there are a lot of appealing but false analogies to classical computers, and because quantum mechanics is fucking weird < 1385497655 888376 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh < 1385497657 23510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm using Helvetica for parts of my thesis, but it keeps giving me the uncanny valley effect because it's not Arial < 1385497663 992189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's more perfect, but it seems wrong as a result < 1385497667 974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe a little bit of the "programmers are experts at everything and can work anything out from first principles" bias < 1385497667 574380 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think QM is *that* relevant to quantum computing < 1385497681 879788 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically it's just the state superposition that is relevant to it < 1385497689 330771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and measurement < 1385497700 474119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that you can rotate probabilities < 1385497748 123860 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's cool? < 1385497755 944040 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SUPERTURING computer designs < 1385497761 403163 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will never be fucking built < 1385497761 971726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually rotating probabilities is probably the weirdest part, it's necessary for any sort of understanding of how quantum computers work < 1385497765 330380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it intuitively makes no sense < 1385497783 777887 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the probability rotation in quantum terms? < 1385497791 863935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state of a QC isn't directly made of probabilities either < 1385497830 155000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: well probabilities of things in quantum mechanics are given by (possibly entangled) phasors < 1385497835 827585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the probability is the square of the length of the phasor < 1385497842 997780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the phasors can be rotated so that probabilities cancel out < 1385497865 423467 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phasors? < 1385497873 802918 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that QC talk for "Hilbert space vector" < 1385497879 545954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aim of a quantum computer program is to start with a random value, then entangle the phasors in such a way that the ones for the incorrect results cancel out < 1385497891 399596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving you a high chance of getting the correct answer < 1385497896 306963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're basically just vectors in the plane < 1385497899 332987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :entangle the phasors! detach the saucer section! < 1385497901 568233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :capped at a maximum length of 1 < 1385498033 448459 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I get a quantum computer, will I be able to go on Facebook? < 1385498046 164912 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just quantum facebook < 1385498057 623338 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's no JMP in quantum assembly < 1385498059 149071 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the < 1385498063 283274 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM LEAP < 1385498065 538851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one where you can be in multiple relationship statii at once? < 1385498076 331043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be convenient < 1385498081 700531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did the second 'i' come from < 1385498090 655169 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin plural < 1385498096 763722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's fun to pronounce < 1385498098 257297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ee-eye < 1385498110 711541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but does it make sense < 1385498117 726394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the second declension male plural would be stati because the original word is status not statius < 1385498124 885983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure it's a second declension male word in the first place < 1385498127 696216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think molecular orbitals are a better analogy for poly relationships, though < 1385498130 358259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :delocalized pi bonds < 1385498142 947008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably an incorrect Latin plural, I don't know any Latin. < 1385498152 451267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen it for words like "radius" but that has an 'i' already < 1385498152 636005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have something to do with the fact that i'm dating a physical chemist (or chemical physicist?) by education < 1385498192 129314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for words like hawaius < 1385498214 287634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotericians' relationships are as weird as the languages they create. < 1385498235 394591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're educated to date specific people? < 1385498260 436757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385498288 359278 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What esolang is your relationship like < 1385498295 705905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i haven't even created any esolangs yet < 1385498299 631259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Fun fact: individual characters of ASCII are called "ascius". < 1385498303 325848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not true.) < 1385498308 881081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "x86 with no registers" probably counts, once I write that up < 1385498327 140384 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do x86 with no registers < 1385498332 456871 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385498338 116267 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any instructions that use no registers? < 1385498340 862125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: zomg < 1385498341 760596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i'll send you a link when it's done < 1385498342 862375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385498359 145417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov dword ptr [some_addr], 1234 < 1385498362 205986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add dword ptr [some_addr], 1234 < 1385498367 804382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp [some_addr] < 1385498368 385813 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1385498371 318895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the main tools < 1385498377 434111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ascii is the plural of ascius < 1385498382 260521 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1385498390 11730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus self-modifying code < 1385498401 226226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's cheating to modify an instruction into one that uses registers < 1385498422 430577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just modify the address and immediate operands of those instructions < 1385498424 360677 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are all about cheating < 1385498425 400872 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-89.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385498439 55033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1385498448 552621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to define a legitimately difficult subset and then work my way out of it < 1385498460 939750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can modify the instructions to use registers then it's pretty much trivial < 1385498471 316902 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have jumps and addition < 1385498474 587704 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good start < 1385498484 175902 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know µ-recursive functions? < 1385498488 12943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385498495 475572 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably the easiest parallel < 1385498502 614922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385498509 140579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a compiler from brainfuck < 1385498514 356850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably not the easiest way < 1385498526 500885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like it because it's a pretty normal programming language, not too esoteric < 1385498542 34079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet we can compile it into this nonsense < 1385498547 79164 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1385498554 525560 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADD does change flags :o < 1385498560 207309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1385498572 223896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fine writing to registers if we never depend on their contents < 1385498587 509063 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just remove the registers by hand < 1385498606 403655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a program which uses ptrace() to zero out all the registers after every instruction < 1385498625 880718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'll send you the link when it's done ;P < 1385498636 111109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunchtime -> < 1385498658 436837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you allowed to use rip-relative addressing < 1385498708 680038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably but i don't think it's useful so i didn't make up my mind about it < 1385498745 149660 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1385498745 406960 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you allowed to use the stack? < 1385498878 881146 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385498984 263358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the stack pointer register, presumably. < 1385499039 770195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this reminds me of Malbolge, but easier < 1385499097 923823 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you can use the stack < 1385499107 323171 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably trivial < 1385499150 635370 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use INC and DEC, create function calls and do a loop for a µ-functions < 1385499161 535144 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do µ recursive functions, which are TC < 1385499283 691714 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385499323 345607 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1385499438 364241 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.206.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385499483 890520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall about the rules, I think the stack wasn't allowed. < 1385499503 341081 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-89.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385499549 226528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the stack a lot when writing ASCII-only programs < 1385499571 714031 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-89.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385499615 244137 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can probably still do function calls without the stack < 1385499620 672137 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just gonna be a bit more tricky < 1385499857 990222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can't use the stack because those instructions depend on the value of sp < 1385499871 209460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always use a manual stack, of course. (E.g. just keep the stack pointer in the immediate operand of a "mov dword ptr [foo], 1234; jmp [bar]", and when you want to write the stack pointer somewhere -- probably to some register -- self-modify the foo displacement to point at where you want, and the bar to next instruction, and jump to that snippet.) < 1385499888 946869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, "register" should've been "operand". < 1385499904 576321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this should be doable without self-modifying code < 1385499908 410882 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1385499917 132358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know if you figure out a way :) < 1385499919 920573 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just µ recursive functions should be doable pretty easily < 1385499935 377651 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell even a compiler of it < 1385499935 760481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do something like MiniMAX, I guess < 1385499951 54927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up needing only one level of non-tail calls so I didn't have to implement a stack, just a single place to store a return address < 1385499953 410632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the difficulty you have doing addition < 1385499957 547062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because one of the arguments has to be a constant < 1385500212 959933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wan't "unbounded" (up to the address space size, anyway) memory, I don't see how you can do it without self-modifying the operands, since otherwise you can only touch memory mentioned in the "source". < 1385500274 196598 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, true < 1385500295 75895 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you try functions you need to store the arguments somewhere < 1385500337 145457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just store those in memory right < 1385500396 902675 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but how can you access it < 1385500417 10388 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you only use numbers, you won't be able to use arbitrarily large numbers of recursions and function calls < 1385500483 888429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the next Intel instruction set rehash should add a double-indirect addressing mode. < 1385500525 517085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the 6502 could do it..." < 1385500539 637111 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like [[butts]]? < 1385500552 217119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like a reasonable syntax for it. < 1385500561 334109 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the butt part < 1385500565 462297 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385500713 928427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can touch unmentioned memory via indirects, can't you? < 1385500741 309208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What indirects? < 1385500747 913847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1385500752 108986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can store values in unmentioned memory < 1385500764 451066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't read them, except to store a different value back in the same memory < 1385500764 608950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't see how you can do that either. < 1385500777 481688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov [123], 456 < 1385500782 849130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Stores to address 123. < 1385500788 527427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1385500796 678124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting my syntaxes muddled < 1385500809 481642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with double indirects I don't see how you can usefully read distant memory < 1385500831 808453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, small steps. < 1385500832 199378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being TC without the ability to read (only write and add constants) seems dubious, if not completely impossible < 1385500837 769650 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just use some memory as a data pointer? < 1385500851 357421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: apparently I was mistaken < 1385500864 536874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you'd need self-modifying code to make this work < 1385500892 487906 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, don't you need the instruction pointer for that? < 1385500896 586639 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385500896 744176 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385500896 744320 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385500906 913728 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess you can know the exact position of your code < 1385500907 748504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: you can write to absolute addresses < 1385500940 760532 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do introspection in assembly? < 1385500944 674033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of "double indirects, no self-modifying" has me thinking, though < 1385500952 654281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's easy, if you can JMP to a double indirect < 1385500961 236896 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do double indirects? < 1385500964 23583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no < 1385500969 315821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a different esolang I'm thinking of now < 1385500969 698685 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385500974 24336 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385500979 14262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… can it be done with computed or conditional jumps? < 1385500985 854252 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385500989 500753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no computed or conditional jumps < 1385500997 555923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just running the same commands over and over again, forever < 1385501013 238528 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can simulate double indirect using a self modifying code < 1385501025 307206 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do some mov [address], value < 1385501032 125384 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And modify the code to change the address < 1385501054 854986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385501063 153211 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then implement a stack or whatnot < 1385501088 748365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can do the usual sort of "conditional" jump by having an indirect "jmp [0]" and then doing a double-indirect "mov [[foo]], newcode" -- that'll make a conditional jump to newcode if the value at foo is 0. < 1385501089 814408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway reads are the hard part, I think < 1385501102 715627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right < 1385501135 404880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that kind of thing could be used to "read" a bounded value. < 1385501137 638472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not really; use only 0 and (insert small constant here, something around 12 or 16) for your data < 1385501152 94080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to read, add, indirect jump, get the destination to subtract again < 1385501204 275417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I suppose you don't even need the double-indirect for that approach. < 1385501217 662504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385501223 968930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is basically how MiniMAX works < 1385501235 294165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that MiniMAX uses a VM (that has an 8-byte implementation) < 1385501259 438577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's like what i did ais523 < 1385501266 67926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still consider that the hard part, compared to writes < 1385501272 738531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1385501287 181416 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now try to write an OS without registers < 1385501377 428708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding hardware access, can't write to I/O ports (not that they're probably all that important these days?) without registers. < 1385501391 92713 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1385501397 291478 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them ports sure love the accumulator < 1385501427 534740 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: ACCUMULATING CHICKEN! < 1385501429 139725 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385501473 706072 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385501482 260793 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't think of any way to access any hardware, yeah < 1385501524 26548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could access memory-mapped hardware just fine. Well, for some values of "fine". (If you start from real mode, I don't think you can get to any sort of usable protected mode without loading segment registers.) < 1385501559 874733 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the interrupts needs the accumulatore < 1385501585 71029 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'll just have to use your imagination for the GUI < 1385501613 701991 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385501754 921944 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385501885 269294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you know that that "return 0;" gets compiled to "mov $-1, %rax" < 1385501887 687018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so i'm told) < 1385501907 727299 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is $ for a literal value? < 1385501918 891315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in AT&T assembler syntax yeah < 1385501927 561178 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1385501931 70283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the operand order is reversed from intel < 1385501937 238298 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a signed zero < 1385501944 482139 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1385501947 752659 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1385501958 476149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no negative zero in two's compliment integer arithmetic < 1385501964 6708 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1385501968 976114 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit disappointing < 1385501977 587605 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do -0 and +0 < 1385501985 28967 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And their divisions would give +- infinity < 1385501995 931337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no infinity in integer arithmetic, either < 1385501997 507756 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think floating points has signed infinities < 1385502000 970598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385502034 667085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Infinity represents an unknown positive value which is too large to represent < 1385502068 917876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NaN represents a value about which nothing is known < 1385502077 37668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why NaN ≠ NaN i guess < 1385502077 619033 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385502093 602448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, fungot: you're both cute imo < 1385502093 820020 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they only need to remove the adverts, come to think of a regex as a string that the host language without using call/ cc < 1385502096 345227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"two's compliment" < 1385502103 831974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385502106 764776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1385502107 552374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fungot produces better ebooks < 1385502107 709962 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: totally hilarious. < 1385502157 343121 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's ebooks are extremely hilarious < 1385502157 500736 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: use the fink package? < 1385502322 969093 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-89.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385502349 926756 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385502359 340820 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.206.169 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385502729 542604 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, can you do a conditional jump without registers? < 1385502748 630526 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The µ function idea I had kinda hinged on that < 1385502784 806863 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, we discussed it earlier < 1385502789 266082 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, probably TC < 1385502956 140781 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385503223 599266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i'm surprised you haven't been through the who-sent-you cslounge dance yet < 1385503230 976221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you're too quiet < 1385503324 348592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385503439 252193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i'll fly to san jose in december < 1385503441 173064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1385503456 787229 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you *sure* that is a return 0;? < 1385503513 676929 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're not using the return value and the compiler decided to pre-load some constant into rax? < 1385503543 489487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try it but I believe the person who did try it because returning 0 wouldn't make sense. < 1385503603 510352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1385504042 485907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because in the g++ implementation 0 is (/could be) a pointer to the first member. < 1385504204 372371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for int foo() { return 0; }? < 1385504258 948714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, for the code discussed above. < 1385504276 267838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"did you know that that" < 1385504300 302079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int T::*foo() { return 0; } < 1385504354 560585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're saying that a NULL function pointer is not represented by the integral value 0? < 1385504360 517953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL member pointer, I mean < 1385504363 142979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385504392 188823 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's implementation dependant < 1385504398 590767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I meant in this implementation < 1385504429 178210 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh < 1385504433 706541 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm not surprised at all < 1385504472 71873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Huh, so it does. < 1385504495 991773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/YChV < 1385504528 574640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: g++ -O2 -S -o/dev/stdout tmp.cc < 1385504537 504623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Member pointer representations are a terribly complicated thing, anyway. < 1385504598 540477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least pointers to member functions. < 1385504609 857231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/7150/Member-Function-Pointers-and-the-Fastest-Possible "Implementations of Member Function Pointers" has a nice table. < 1385504760 985565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "-o -" hth < 1385504815 673118 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff2f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385504848 794475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://codereview.appspot.com/22170044/ hth < 1385504917 820316 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385504926 905705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "govet"? < 1385504957 530743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably http://godoc.org/code.google.com/p/go.tools/cmd/vet < 1385504958 299585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except a non-stationary veterinarian.) < 1385504975 51332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I meant the collapsed messages earlier in the thread. < 1385505015 235562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's about stdin anyway! Nothing to do with using - for stdout. < 1385505059 964495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi > - < 1385505063 478392 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385505150 131074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also - is the convention "too bad" "so sad" < 1385505217 21136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow" < 1385505304 111272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I didn't know "null member pointer value" even existed, v. fancy.) < 1385505625 275019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ A prvalue of type "pointer to member of B of type cv T", where B is a class type, can be converted to a prvalue of type "pointer to member of D of type cv T", where D is a derived class (Clause 10) of B. If B is an inaccessible (Clause 11), ambiguous (10.2), or virtual (10.1) base class of D, or a base class of a virtual base class of D, a program that necessitates this conversion is ... < 1385505631 272792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ill-formed. The result of the conversion refers to the same member as the pointer to member before the conversion took place, but it refers to the base class member as if it were a member of the derived class. The result refers to the member in D's instance of B. Since the result has type "pointer to member of D of type cv T", it can be dereferenced with a D object. The result is the same ... < 1385505637 275108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... as if the pointer to member of B were dereferenced with the B subobject of D." < 1385505640 282385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's good to know. < 1385506070 754882 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385506607 147816 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1385506620 575212 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385507281 512664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a TIL except I didn't learn it today, rather a few days ago? < 1385507306 84318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, AFDAIL that BNF was invented for the original Algol 60 spec < 1385507306 679610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says "shachaf: did you know [...]" < 1385507312 315539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lists Backus and Naur as authors < 1385507584 110322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385508407 399141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hackego has it? <-- the prefixes command is in all of fungot, HackEgo and EgoBot, which are the bots i know how to update a command in. < 1385508407 594638 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you serious? what else is there to call/ cc < 1385508467 55893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats everyone for being idle -----###
< 1385508487 723688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia hackego has it? <-- the prefixes command is in all of fungot, HackEgo and EgoBot, which are the bots i know how to update a command in. < 1385508487 881433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385508488 39626 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plus i got some really nice fnord. but if you told me, i hate google doing that. < 1385508667 881481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : to anyone good at hackego: the bienvenido message drops a "t" at the end <-- oops < 1385508673 546965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido < 1385508675 950717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^! prefixes < 1385508676 108687 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1385508677 206759 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^!: not found < 1385508717 378576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's simply over HackEgo's limit with a nick, because of the "Most people here don't speak Spanish" addition. < 1385508754 168266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has that variant ever been used in anger? < 1385508809 915141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i use it when someone shows up who says "hola" as their first message :P < 1385508824 659000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens surprisingly often. < 1385508829 460896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they been Spanish speakers? or just people who hola'd out of the blue? < 1385508855 857767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mostly Spanish speakers, although the last time i did it wasn't. < 1385508866 405157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it's not always literally "hola") < 1385508912 38759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`안녕하세요 < 1385508913 466614 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 안녕하세요: not found < 1385508914 598602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the theory it happens because #esoteric starts with es. although i don't think that has ever really been confirmed. < 1385508942 393490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently `bienvenido cuts off it the nick is longer than 12 chars. < 1385508949 467990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if < 1385508963 368948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happened earlier today, but isn't common. < 1385508979 48726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385509004 596663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it dropped "t.)", and the nick was 14, so longer than 11. < 1385509030 308739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 14 the absolute limit? < 1385509052 739860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome fourteenletter < 1385509054 837603 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourteenletter: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1385509063 181526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido fourteenletter < 1385509065 150746 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourteenletter: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.ne < 1385509074 447990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty conclusive < 1385509084 568810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nick fifteenletter12 < 1385509085 599250 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nick: not found < 1385509087 372057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385509090 348666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :fifteenletter12 < 1385509092 340660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use "twelveletter" as a test name when I'm trying to test if there's room in the status area) < 1385509093 537448 :fifteenletter12!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :fifteenletter123 < 1385509104 640958 :fifteenletter123!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 16 is the limit < 1385509106 936025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifteenletter123: bu that's 16 letters < 1385509109 958134 :fifteenletter123!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1385509110 834182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be sixteenletter123 < 1385509117 110391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW < 1385509130 673965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's only 13 letters < 1385509137 734111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 16 /characters/ but "123" are not letters < 1385509138 447473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case there's a simple fix. < 1385509170 523196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's!wiki/Main_Page!!' wisdom/bienvenido < 1385509171 995337 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/bienvenido: No such file or directory < 1385509176 48776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385509177 5364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385509177 796863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, all the fixes I thought of were massively complicated < 1385509183 452938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I was trying to fix something else < 1385509184 677674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's!wiki/Main_Page!!' wisdom/welcome.es < 1385509188 422221 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385509194 442113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom.es < 1385509196 52981 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom.es? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385509202 404796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1385509212 881435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1385509215 214141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/bienvenido < 1385509216 420549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1385509216 586293 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.es"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.es"; } < 1385509224 78187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1385509226 479975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.es < 1385509228 712821 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1385509234 330239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385509237 464718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido sixteenletters12 < 1385509239 789730 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixteenletters12: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1385509502 145259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1385509515 158197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: > [1..] < 1385509523 151831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1385509529 397784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run [1..] < 1385509530 355138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1385509534 561437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1385509579 591762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just testing if the lambdabot: ? spam is only for lambdabot: ? or something more general. seems it isn't.) < 1385509711 665717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tic-tac-toe < 1385509711 862570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a nice game of chess? < 1385509713 977155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tic-tac-toe < 1385509714 134991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a nice game of chess? < 1385509772 333355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result remove@src < 1385509772 491147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for remove@src (Closed): no=1, yes=1 < 1385509819 694854 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff2f7.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385509891 654089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-list < 1385509891 851109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :["(++)","ConfusedWithVixenSituation","FlavaOfJRuby","Prelude-(.)?","best-programming-language","best-spoken-language","food","funniest-thing-in-the-whole-world","naming","nethack","president","prove->","remove@src","sleep"] < 1385509895 214196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result (++) < 1385509895 371752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for (++) (Open): (++)::Semigroup_m=>m->m->m=1, (++)::Monoid_m=>m->m->m=2, (++)::[a]->[a]->[a]=2 < 1385509910 703476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result best-programming-language < 1385509910 861376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-programming-language (Open): COBOL=2, PHP=1, Coq=0, Agda=0, anything-else=0, Haskell=0 < 1385509922 518911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result naming < 1385509922 676708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for naming (Closed): Lovelace=1, Babbage=0 < 1385509934 487275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result sleep < 1385509934 644982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for sleep (Open): no=1, yes=7 < 1385509937 673329 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff2f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385509941 319197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, p. sure i made that last one < 1385509946 38381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result prove-> < 1385509946 196086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for prove-> (Open): proven=1, proved=0 < 1385509948 705805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well did you sleep < 1385509952 764563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually < 1385509962 797466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result president < 1385509962 955157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for president (Open): cthulhu=3, kmc=1, copumpkin=5 < 1385509986 444454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result food < 1385509986 602099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for food (Open): quesadilla=2, meatball-sub=2 < 1385510017 116209 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, tough choice. < 1385510026 886422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help poll-add < 1385510027 44413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll-add Adds a new poll, with no candidates < 1385510033 534159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list poll < 1385510033 691860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove < 1385510041 250209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help choice-add < 1385510041 407894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice-add Adds a new choice to the given poll < 1385510051 328678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add food lutefisk < 1385510051 486666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "lutefisk", added to poll "food". < 1385510063 90662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote food lutefisk < 1385510063 248595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "lutefisk" < 1385510083 238948 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add best-programming-language SNOBOL < 1385510083 396562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "SNOBOL", added to poll "best-programming-language". < 1385510089 295843 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-programming-language SNOBOL < 1385510089 453906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "SNOBOL" < 1385510132 69104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin for president < 1385510161 146629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result best-spoken-language < 1385510161 304179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): magyar=3, Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8 < 1385510184 125591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language Georgian < 1385510184 283352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "Georgian" < 1385510191 980223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mgrvgrvladje! < 1385510253 135466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385510270 522719 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385510390 247618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-add olist < 1385510390 405264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added new poll: "olist" < 1385510405 510739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add olist < 1385510405 668411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: @choice-add < 1385510407 260647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add olist update < 1385510407 418219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "update", added to poll "olist". < 1385510492 256789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ (@run text . concat . run (replicate 20 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510493 236255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `run' < 1385510493 393788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `fun' (imported from Debug.SimpleRef... < 1385510503 237223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ (@run text . concat $ (replicate 20 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510504 249644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Missing ')' in nested command < 1385510509 433881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ (@run text . concat $ (replicate 20 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510510 401631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (@vote olist update) (@vote olist update) (@vote olist update) (@vote olist... < 1385510521 563688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ (@read @run text . concat $ (replicate 20 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510522 566826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "read" < 1385510537 11617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ (@run text . concat $ (replicate 3 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510537 889629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : voted on "update" voted on "update" voted on "update" < 1385510541 619759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ (@run text . concat $ (replicate 4 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510542 519153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Missing ')' in nested command < 1385510543 684886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1385510566 791163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ (@run concat $ (replicate 20 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510567 716687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(@vote olist update) (@vote olist update) (@vote olist update) (@vote olis... < 1385510582 172907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1385510594 297482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's @run which has such a low output limit? < 1385510598 543963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385510601 684700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This used to work, though. < 1385510608 847577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why Polish is so popular. < 1385510612 157108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how I did it. < 1385510617 455695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might've used @read, which is gone now? < 1385510631 391558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help @read < 1385510631 549101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1385510634 608009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list read < 1385510634 765883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "read" loaded < 1385510645 333556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ (@run text . concat $ (replicate 20 "(@vote olist update) ")) < 1385510646 330204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Missing ')' in nested command < 1385510736 150984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@@ )(@vote olist update)a::::::*******S < 1385510736 308595 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ (@vote olist update)(@vote olist update)(@vote olist update)(@vote olist update)(@vote olist update)(@vote olist update)(@vote olist update) < 1385510736 308761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : voted on "update"voted on "update"voted on "update"voted on "update"voted on "update"voted on "update"voted on "update" < 1385510755 975218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but that doesn't let you get really high. < 1385510759 964845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kmc can confirm) < 1385510765 784510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma blah < 1385510765 942631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah has a karma of 31337 < 1385510776 1960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion's work?? < 1385510787 729483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help show < 1385510787 887205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :show . Print "" < 1385510792 222105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list show < 1385510792 379723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dummy provides: eval choose dummy bug id show wiki paste docs learn haskellers botsnack get-shapr shootout faq googleit hackage thanks thx thank you ping tic-tac-toe < 1385510801 867945 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help haskellers < 1385510802 25490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskellers. Find other Haskell users < 1385510806 480552 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@haskellers < 1385510806 638135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskellers.com/ < 1385510813 271647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. < 1385510884 447796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thank you < 1385510884 605440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thank you thanks < 1385510886 678476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the @run cut-down is related to int-e's fixes the other day, he was looking at how that worked. < 1385510890 358985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1385510898 991815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you break lambdabot < 1385510945 961306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run [1..] < 1385510946 949106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1385510987 10150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1385510990 748207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,1..1] < 1385510991 741886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,... < 1385511246 50398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results olist < 1385511246 246577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for olist (Open): update=932 < 1385511253 268754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1385511269 242353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble is that you can't unvote. < 1385511274 391721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is. < 1385511280 486839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can't remove options. < 1385511304 906031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1385511308 210600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma olist < 1385511308 373374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist has a karma of 0 < 1385511312 868867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this does give me the idea to give `olist an incrementing counter. < 1385511320 233966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious solution ^ < 1385511328 219792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, @karma won't let you add a list of nicks. < 1385511336 785413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1385511365 498262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ olist olist ((@karma olist)): shachaf oerjan < 1385511365 655978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. < 1385511367 987457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @where olist < 1385511368 145000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ((@karma olist)): shachaf oerjan < 1385511375 583931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ @where olist < 1385511375 741685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist (olist has a karma of 0): shachaf oerjan < 1385511392 913189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show blah < 1385511393 111118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"blah" < 1385511426 500307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isNumber < 1385511427 212839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char -> Bool < 1385511451 190499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ olist olist ((@run text $ dropWhile (not isNumber) @show @karma olist)): shachaf oerjan < 1385511451 348107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored. < 1385511454 763720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ @where olist < 1385511455 681573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ( Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char -> GHC.Types.Bool' < 1385511455 839316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...): shachaf oerjan < 1385511469 160515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1385511476 350932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run @show @karma olist < 1385511477 283320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "olist has a karma of 0" < 1385511485 324400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1385511489 563479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ olist olist ((@run text $ dropWhile (not . isNumber) @show @karma olist)): shachaf oerjan < 1385511489 721071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is forever etched in my memory. < 1385511492 748413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ @where olist < 1385511493 668242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ( 0 < 1385511493 825844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :): shachaf oerjan < 1385511504 13213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well, you get the idea. < 1385511525 47347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FANCY < 1385511536 246713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ olist olist ((@run text . filter isNumber $ @show @karma olist)): shachaf oerjan < 1385511536 404838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never forget. < 1385511539 243510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ @where olist < 1385511540 192201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ( 0 < 1385511540 349967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :): shachaf oerjan < 1385511545 565116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the newlines? < 1385511551 298257 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385511554 980784 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in sam hill is going on here < 1385511581 126951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ olist olist ((@run text . filter isNumber $ "")): shachaf oerjan < 1385511581 284666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is forever etched in my memory. < 1385511584 158040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ @where olist < 1385511585 43446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ( Terminated < 1385511585 200997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :): shachaf oerjan < 1385511589 954536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show @karma olist < 1385511590 112174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "olist has a karma of 0" < 1385511593 589912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i @where+ing each time < 1385511615 473196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ olist ((@run text . filter isNumber $ @show @karma olist)): shachaf oerjan < 1385511616 425696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ( 0 < 1385511616 583240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :): shachaf oerjan < 1385511622 462061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ olist ((@run text . filter isNumber $ @show @karma olist)): [...] < 1385511623 334024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ( 0 < 1385511623 491644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :): [...] < 1385511630 749780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ olist ((@run text "")): [...] < 1385511631 602422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist ( Terminated < 1385511631 760522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :): [...] < 1385511641 414359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame int-e < 1385511643 997430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "" < 1385511644 943320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1385511660 199627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show @run () < 1385511661 131418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : " ()\n" < 1385511681 510097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1385511703 247586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sry 4 highlighting you" < 1385511773 920080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e your new @run is hard to compose with @@ because of the newline < 1385511774 78196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385511787 703303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e and the spaces < 1385511787 861056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385511789 274530 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385511837 146786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385511866 61600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1385511866 954904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1385511929 508614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he was trying to simplify the space handling. < 1385511946 278719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ "1\n2\n3" < 1385511947 302262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1385511947 459781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1385511947 459950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1385511968 631463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's the same as it used to be there < 1385511982 265858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: p. sure it takes a rocket scientist to do that < 1385511989 533743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(space joke) < 1385512028 114044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the new gravity movie has a joke about "it's not rocket science" < 1385512043 461867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that it's about how to use a rocket < 1385512179 953444 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ff2f7.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385512191 472100 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385512391 362131 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.207.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385512395 469259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385512450 347420 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385512578 205649 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385512613 730726 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-193-164.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385512645 44665 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435125c7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385512743 268209 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385512945 42716 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385513085 993119 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385513251 719394 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385513270 30975 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385513303 364764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385513536 124130 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385513592 719506 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385513612 291088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 and I'm not sure it's a second declension male word in the first place <-- fourth, according to wiktionary, so plural is also status < 1385513612 486775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385513644 873809 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1385513658 23234 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been internetless for the last week o_O < 1385513669 585149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1385513669 957927 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get some reading done then < 1385513671 717949 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385513686 106629 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i read < 1385513709 544681 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385513709 702304 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385513818 254403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and for words like hawaius <-- in hawaiian the name's Hawaiʻi < 1385513832 922341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a glottal stop < 1385513839 363679 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaah < 1385513849 631996 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The murder mystery series my dad's cousin was in HAS AIRED IN THE UK < 1385513880 594384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does this mean you're forever shamed by your family < 1385513903 932795 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1385513908 639742 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little annoyed nobody told me < 1385513943 299913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mystery < 1385514056 813366 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: who did he murder < 1385514087 860435 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't know I haven't watched it yet < 1385514100 587487 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she's playing a recurring character so maybe lots of people < 1385514114 451156 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought this was some reality show < 1385514141 863527 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, although i didn't think your cousin was the murderer) < 1385514797 631199 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385516849 528969 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385517150 102157 :typeclassy!~user@ool-435125c7.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385517925 693559 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385517952 706105 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385518672 951838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoerjan < 1385518818 886135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ywintopia < 1385518880 641092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9887522 < 1385518993 440004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the awful thing everyone is talking about < 1385518994 92667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385519051 164773 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/search?q=%23pennyarcadejobpostings&src=typd&f=realtime ? < 1385519052 978237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it awful < 1385519070 552345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is clearly not a bad enough dude < 1385519096 437186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the responses are pretty great (in a terribly cathartic way, at least) < 1385519115 212889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A bunch of 25 year-old kids with a ton of talent and stars in their eyes are going to try to get this crap job for crap pay" see this is where I feel pleased with myself about being 25 years old and already cynical enough to see through this shit < 1385519120 484056 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a great ad < 1385519136 585332 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man it just keeps going < 1385519183 611523 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a creative and potentially offensive environment" < 1385519184 362612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: p. sure that doesn't say "25-year-old" < 1385519286 793254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1385519325 605992 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like, nerds will finally discover penny arcade are actually horrible people? or like they'll all apply anyways <.< < 1385519443 604527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you think of yourself as v. cynical < 1385519447 884865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't seem that way to me most of the time < 1385519470 707487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA is like the ultimate example of nerds acting like underdog rebels even after they come to control everything < 1385519530 611889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps that the comic has been pretty shitty for the last few years so I don't lose much by trying to ignore them < 1385519542 617884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fucking hilarious for a long time, though < 1385519582 124160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do, generally < 1385519595 989695 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see myself as relatively idealistic < 1385519597 997400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know that I'm pretty unfair in my judgements about myself < 1385519600 143982 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice life < 1385519621 646317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep in mind that kmc's favourite comic strip is jerkcity < 1385519648 915236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has to be Achewood < 1385519653 217306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Jerkcity is pretty good too < 1385519887 500601 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385520632 980486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess I am cynical about most things but really positive and idealistic about a few and that keeps me going < 1385520761 233436 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-117-223.baf.movistar.cl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385521073 291706 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.50 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385521191 526315 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when Trident will go the way of MSIE < 1385521398 729673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Z? < 1385523097 849683 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385523106 713454 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385523126 717923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the opposite of "cynical" < 1385523140 729680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"romantic"? < 1385523163 763518 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"optimistic", usually < 1385523193 691905 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ffd99.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385523273 368396 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385523635 711549 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ffd99.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385524037 505560 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be president :( < 1385524060 178223 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, of anything? < 1385524080 821579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you be copresident < 1385524180 314467 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385524652 310130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin can be president of my heart ♥ < 1385525036 733704 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385525059 312744 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf can be president of my fart ♥ < 1385525157 925892 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-251.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385526052 512359 :typeclassy!~user@ool-43512552.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385526489 473925 :typeclassy!~user@ool-43512552.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385526673 710415 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/hoppe/proj/videoloops/ < 1385527661 703165 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385529089 972062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher order, higher rank, higher kinded polymorphism #drugz < 1385529162 813764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "idealistic" < 1385529197 65161 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385529223 756905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i think i watched a presentation about that for some conference once... < 1385529238 779591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably SIGGRAPH < 1385529241 841633 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :linked on their site < 1385529605 703255 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385530290 805633 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385532842 735500 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385533452 375565 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385533744 877341 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385535019 998087 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385536866 811447 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385536896 415613 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you guys consider a simplified form of FORTH to be an esoteric language? < 1385536951 844502 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385536953 473169 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplified how? have you seen underload? < 1385537001 774788 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385537018 254950 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplified as in, not a full implementation, but enough to be turing complete and usable for embedded machines < 1385537064 399847 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't really consider that esoteric just because somebody probably already made it for such a machine. < 1385537077 321630 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke down the semantics of the language so that everything could be bootstrapped with no 'special' operators or keywords < 1385537125 398748 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 ? " true " : " false " ; type < 1385537145 843693 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the if conditional looks like a ternary expression < 1385537166 4360 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is. < 1385537207 171799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language is esoteric iff it has an esolangs.org wiki page. < 1385537215 31675 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385537229 737509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ; < 1385537272 253124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You just done proved that Perl really is an esoteric language. (Not that there was any doubt.) < 1385537275 223902 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you asking what the esoteric language named 'semi-colon' is, or are you asking about the code? < 1385537403 19320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theh code. < 1385537405 445959 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first instruction in the code is the '-1', which just adds a -1(the standard value for a true boolean), then the '?' is the instruction for a conditional expression which will run the code between the '?' and the ':' if the item popped from the stack is true, and will run the code between the ':' and the ';' if the popped item is false < 1385537431 424660 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what's "type"? < 1385537434 654653 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ';' really just marks the end of the if statement < 1385537435 475158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ; the comment character < 1385537439 854732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385537482 867412 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'type' is an intrstuction to pop an item off the stack as a pointer and print it as a string < 1385537492 454383 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see. < 1385537496 666880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd name < 1385537517 420112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd but popular. < 1385537522 334630 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's -"1 type" do, out of curiosity < 1385537530 256757 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-1 type"* < 1385537533 661630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TYPE CON < 1385537563 961892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: p. sure hott has a meaning for -1-type < 1385537569 204012 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will try to use -1 as a char pointer and probably segfault or throw an error depending on whether type checking was enabled < 1385537573 203034 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure i don't care. < 1385537579 242840 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: makes sense. < 1385537621 448013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comonad.com/reader/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/slides.pdf < 1385537710 728045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth -1 1 type < 1385537711 499516 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.20539:1: Invalid memory address \ -1 1 >>>type<<< \ Backtrace: \ $7FCE1EB7CE70 write-file < 1385537731 163106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain "-1 type" stack-underflows, of course. < 1385537742 168678 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: fib dup 2 < ? : dup 1 - fib 2 - fib + ; ; < 1385537823 83949 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth -1 IF S" true" ELSE S" false" THEN TYPE < 1385537823 560426 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.20573:1: Interpreting a compile-only word \ -1 >>>IF<<< S" true" ELSE S" false" THEN TYPE \ Backtrace: \ $7FC39808AB30 throw < 1385537830 387046 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1385537862 433258 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : true s" true " ; : false s" false" ; -1 IF true ELSE false THEN TYPE < 1385537862 992601 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redefined true redefined false \ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.20617:1: Interpreting a compile-only word \ : true s" true " ; : false s" false" ; -1 >>>IF<<< true ELSE false THEN TYPE \ Backtrace: \ $7F25C6EC4B30 throw < 1385537869 319658 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1385537880 970450 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I created the simplified form < 1385537891 494438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth -1 [IF] S" true" [ELSE] S" false" [THEN] TYPE \ so immediate < 1385537892 176152 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1385538093 889473 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth -1 if s" true" else s" false" then type < 1385538094 596467 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.20897:1: Interpreting a compile-only word \ -1 >>>if<<< s" true" else s" false" then type \ Backtrace: \ $7FF2BEB33B30 throw < 1385538112 125490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth -1 [if] s" true" [else] s" false" [then] type < 1385538112 909213 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1385538115 508252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeating the same thing is not going to make it work. :p < 1385538120 556889 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get this. < 1385538137 635757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See some documentation re interpretation and compilation semantics. < 1385538151 595375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : dummy -1 if s" true" else s" false" then type ; dummy < 1385538152 172514 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redefined dummy true < 1385538156 978975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1385538167 217561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a defined "dummy"? < 1385538179 125309 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth dummy type < 1385538179 784827 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.21094:1: Stack underflow \ dummy >>>type<<< \ Backtrace: \ $7F886AB35E70 write-file < 1385538186 871234 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth dummy < 1385538187 287766 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385538193 190355 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1385538194 523299 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think dummy is no op. < 1385538196 951115 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth 4 type < 1385538197 637660 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.21221:1: Stack underflow \ 4 >>>type<<< \ Backtrace: \ $7F6B3345CE70 write-file < 1385538210 451128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's clearly been way too long since i 'learned' forth. < 1385538211 792564 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth ." This is a test" < 1385538212 233030 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a test < 1385538214 728477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth see dummy < 1385538215 337180 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ : dummy ; immediate < 1385538222 576370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1385538276 929027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth s" 'type' prints the usual two-cell string" type < 1385538277 660393 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'type' prints the usual two-cell string < 1385538324 610041 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why two cells? < 1385538345 865266 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn’t you fit a pointer into one? < 1385538369 943900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an address-and-length pair. < 1385538379 233973 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1385538383 53975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth s" foo" . . < 1385538383 806205 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 140010104896768 < 1385538389 922266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth c" foo" . < 1385538390 556511 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.21579:1: Interpreting a compile-only word \ >>>c"<<< foo" . \ Backtrace: \ $7F9583151B30 throw < 1385538394 815220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1385538413 570847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" . ; bah < 1385538414 278657 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :139705325593352 < 1385538420 803420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" count type ; bah < 1385538421 506584 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1385538427 244445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on. < 1385538473 723779 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" -1 type ; bah < 1385538474 222921 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385538482 334433 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" 1 - type ; bah < 1385538482 888597 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.21780:1: Stack underflow \ : bah c" foo" 1 - type ; >>>bah<<< \ Backtrace: \ $7F782C04CE70 write-file \ $7F782C09F348 type < 1385538508 710265 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" count 1 - type ; bah < 1385538509 189881 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo < 1385538512 925799 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1385538532 958472 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" +1 count 1 - type ; bah < 1385538533 352693 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.21876:1: Undefined word \ : bah c" foo" >>>+1<<< count 1 - type ; bah \ Backtrace: \ $7FD3F0895A68 throw \ $7FD3F08ABC68 no.extensions \ $7FD3F08993A0 compiler-notfound1 < 1385538540 903455 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" 1 + count 1 - type ; bah < 1385538541 418258 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1385538545 276142 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1385538552 223612 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : bah c" foo" 1 + count 2 - type ; bah < 1385538552 690171 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1385538557 218822 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1385538585 6328 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is c""? < 1385538595 371351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a counted string. < 1385538631 936815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pointer to a Pascal-style (length, data) pair, instead of the (pointer-to-data, length) pair on the stack, like s". < 1385538653 939800 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1385538676 975115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do c" foo" 1+ count it's going to interpret the 'f' as the length. < 1385538712 701073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : x c" foo" 1+ count . . ; x < 1385538713 447381 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :102 139824385598218 < 1385538825 399613 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385538955 546792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : x c" ab" dup 10 0 do dup c@ . 1+ loop drop 1+ 10 type ; x < 1385538956 236678 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 97 98 32 32 32 32 32 0 78 ab < 1385538978 30932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "type" stops as the 0 there, even though it might not need to. < 1385539004 166038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also not sure what's up with those spaces.) < 1385539067 173829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : x c" ab" dup 10 0 do dup c@ . 1+ loop drop 1+ 10 ." <" type ." >" ; x < 1385539067 911349 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 97 98 32 32 32 32 32 0 78 R 256 15 16 1799 4 13107 2 21845 R> 4 0 DO TUCK OVER AND -ROT INVERT AND ROT / + LOOP ; 12345 C < 1385543561 25798 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385543567 228292 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : C >R 256 15 16 1799 4 13107 2 21845 R> 4 0 DO TUCK OVER AND -ROT INVERT AND ROT / + LOOP ; 12345 C . < 1385543567 937870 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1385543591 627170 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth 175 C . < 1385543592 407927 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.24099:1: Undefined word \ 175 >>>C<<< . \ Backtrace: \ $7FAC86EF5A68 throw \ $7FAC86F0BCE0 no.extensions \ $7FAC86EF5D28 interpreter-notfound1 < 1385543752 856593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No persistence for you. < 1385543770 336206 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1385543798 803659 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : f 46. do dup 1 .r cr dup rot + loop ; 0 1 f < 1385543799 614490 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 1134903170 \ 1836311903 < 1385543858 290558 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The #forth channel should have this! < 1385543947 934401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, don't they have an eval-bot? < 1385543957 937738 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :-( < 1385543975 656412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was kind of a standard feature. The channels I'm on (##c, #perl, #scheme) all do. < 1385545306 165710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does .r do_ < 1385545789 892370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prints a number with a given field width. < 1385545806 274797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that "1 .r" is pretty close to "." but maybe there's some subtle difference. < 1385545852 385835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : f 46. do dup . cr dup rot + loop ; 0 1 f < 1385545853 58511 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 1134903170 \ 1836311903 < 1385545863 160061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, the automatic space. < 1385545907 529784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : f 46. do dup . dup rot + loop ; 0 1 f \ arguably better, though < 1385545908 145766 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 6765 10946 17711 28657 46368 75025 121393 196418 317811 514229 832040 1346269 2178309 3524578 5702887 9227465 14930352 24157817 39088169 63245986 102334155 165580141 267914296 433494437 701408733 1134903170 1836311903 < 1385545973 581933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "46." shorthand for "46 0". < 1385546008 863503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing with "double precision" in Forth is kind of funny-weird. < 1385546026 862096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.1234, 12.34 and 1234. are all the same number, a two-cells-wide 1234. < 1385546093 107250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth 0.1234 12.34 1234. d. d. d. \ okay, plain .1234 wasn't quite legal < 1385546093 894992 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234 1234 1234 < 1385548521 207293 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Imperial Measurements outdated? http://youtu.be/r7x-RGfd0Yk < 1385548941 365445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, my log database update script seems to have barfed at the recent string "\udead\ubeef". Apparently the UTF-8 encoder involved there is strict about standards, and refuses to UTF-8-encode that standalone trail surrogate. < 1385549124 671003 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385549579 559230 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385549629 438698 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1385549645 686188 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385549746 59063 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385549782 326189 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385551250 296048 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385552993 864804 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385553162 780672 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@auth55-123.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385553735 560392 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385554018 374053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385554894 946947 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dolan.naurunappula.com/screen/d5/f7/d5f7f404978714ec/0/787935.jpg < 1385556593 596774 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385557101 131763 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1385557214 36395 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385557279 886453 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385557385 914184 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385557417 634215 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385557737 703170 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385558008 725270 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rdvagxmmogqolavb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385558013 658193 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-syiatofevrwatjda QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385558025 357409 :conehead!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwblbwlnmeyuigyq QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385558606 202404 :conehead!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbtvfsvualdwnaza JOIN :#esoteric < 1385559007 168714 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvexhvzhievxzwof JOIN :#esoteric < 1385559376 171887 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1385559376 751270 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 271300Z 04012KT 4SM -RA OVC005 01/00 A2951 RMK SF8 PRESFR SLP996 < 1385559397 413055 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385560166 862050 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wwuwkojjauqfqddo JOIN :#esoteric < 1385560699 134291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good sloshy morning! < 1385560762 807804 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I went through the Takis bag yesterday. I want moar. I'll have to scour downtown's groceries and dépanneurs under exécrable weather just to probably find some. < 1385560861 282743 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385560865 87910 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome L8D < 1385560870 206343 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06L8D: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1385561040 572287 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what would a single ascius be? how many avoidupois ounces in an ascius? < 1385561224 127602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385561305 908086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? copumpkin < 1385561307 502090 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385561338 375305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president. < 1385561343 576148 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1385561365 313043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a natural born citizen, i guess. < 1385561387 463211 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385561387 621339 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385561394 523595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn there's _another_ 3-letter nick clash? < 1385561458 912906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: can you say something memorable, so that your quote-section won't be empty? < 1385561463 824555 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same goes for impomatic) < 1385561476 198328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote copumpkin: can you say something memorable, so that your quote-section won't be empty? < 1385561479 208457 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who's nicklashing with whom? < 1385561480 387303 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1138) copumpkin: can you say something memorable, so that your quote-section won't be empty? < 1385561530 104587 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs... “there we go agais523n...”
< 1385561546 874374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro|nospoiler with copumpkin, myndzi with myname, tromp__ with trout (just found that), and i guess glogbot with glogbackup although they're not _supposed_ to be here at the same time and who speaks to them anyway. < 1385561558 309557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you can just delete it again < 1385561594 454899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah. I like it. < 1385561613 775160 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: hi there! :) < 1385561691 325017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout is of course highly variable, and will sometimes clash with conehead instead. < 1385561692 14098 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :oerboily < 1385561696 194350 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385561696 352415 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385561719 857396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i rarely have occasion to tab complete my own nick. < 1385561729 298309 :oerboily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. right. < 1385561745 893464 :oerboily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :fizboily < 1385561753 703411 :fizboily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that should do it :D < 1385561754 187802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I /nick to a name just to be able to tab complete it < 1385561764 356434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I've got into the awful habit of tab-completing on one letter < 1385561775 231992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my client favours tab-completing whoever spoke most recently < 1385561780 368269 :fizboily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab-completing on “f” is dangerous. < 1385561784 549251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it's normally right but I sometimes get tab-ninja'd < 1385561790 143509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizboily: yep. < 1385561806 632754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "fi" is annoying. < 1385561868 628090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote copumpkin < 1385561868 785618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin says: YOU ARE SUCH A PULLBACK YOU KNOW WHAT? I FUNCTORED YOUR MOTHER LAST NIGHT < 1385561883 258473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says most of his memorabilia elsewhere. < 1385561893 220904 :fizboily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily < 1385561898 865676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote impomatic < 1385561899 23780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Do you think like you type? < 1385561950 596523 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there an easy way to aggregate cucurbitaceæ into the PDF? < 1385561998 409037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have that, i've forgotten. < 1385562008 524426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cucumber < 1385562010 241231 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cucumber? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385562015 651872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385562018 493618 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't said anything interesting to date...
< 1385562031 913906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * impomatic hasn't said anything interesting to date... < 1385562035 116044 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1139) * impomatic hasn't said anything interesting to date... < 1385562037 149388 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385562065 133087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, you knew it had to happen. < 1385562074 442112 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding it... < 1385562118 317231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to aggregate cucurbitaceæ you need to exploit categorical duality. < 1385562282 930399 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385562311 385819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impomatiquote was added, with a footnote *smirk* < 1385562672 439419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have mostly stopped reading pdfs after getting the new laptop, because it no longer opens them inside IE. < 1385562716 218079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact opens them in metro hell. < 1385562748 874499 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs his fully pinguinized machine
< 1385562947 928612 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1385562961 757997 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385562995 834144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how's your flash doing? >:) < 1385563044 299119 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know what you're talking about. la la la ♪ < 1385563082 202726 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385563113 648675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385563131 968412 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1385563134 262671 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I probably went through all major bugs and misfires. the most memorable was on my home desktop, when nvidia drivers swapped the blue and red channels. < 1385563145 754638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wow < 1385563191 373587 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385563610 943915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear they must have fixed it in 8.1 < 1385563725 614133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1385563726 98569 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 271420Z 27026KT 9999 FEW020 BKN046 07/02 Q1002 RMK WIND 670FT 30026G38KT < 1385563763 627671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one of those represent the storm i seem to be hearing outside the window < 1385563771 255328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*represents < 1385563811 164602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm weather forecast says breeze. < 1385563818 740077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is skeptical.
< 1385564160 297643 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "WIND" < 1385564173 846260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you'd think. < 1385564181 471375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _little_ unspecific, there. < 1385564299 879444 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 26 knot winds going on, which is non-homeopatic. < 1385564309 182965 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue about that “670FT”. < 1385564337 30792 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. a second wind group. I guess the storm hasn't come to ENVA yet. < 1385564402 127871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the yr.no weather forecast claimed a breeze, not a storm. dunno why it sounds so loud. < 1385564444 289111 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultra hardcode Norwegian wind? < 1385564481 351480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 26 knots -> m/s < 1385564490 547582 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6019/450 (approx. 13.375555555555556) < 1385564568 992302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok there's a warning about possible storm by the coast, perhaps it's got further inland than they expected. < 1385564657 91865 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 26 * 1.852 < 1385564657 785687 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48.152 < 1385564748 666571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 48.152 / 3.6 < 1385564749 426209 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13.375555555555556 < 1385564876 11442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a boring fungus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliona_viridis < 1385564887 58755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1385564889 990827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sponge < 1385564904 290353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, brain, do i have to whack you upside the head < 1385565141 375183 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385565336 89091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your head seems to be fille with Impure Brainfsck Derivative Thoughts. please apply brick and reboot. < 1385565342 739621 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fille/filled/ < 1385565363 974950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... “green boring sponge”??? < 1385565652 120854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you it was boring. < 1385565796 145824 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Impure Fungeoid Derivative Thoughts? < 1385566100 87570 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm what happened with Magnus in the topic? < 1385567138 889060 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for brainfuck < 1385567147 360824 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like brainfuck, but with a logarithmic scale . < 1385567175 565489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: he won hth < 1385567191 139603 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: http://esolangs.org/wiki/SELECT.? < 1385567208 447665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what happened to someone's continuous brainfuck idea? < 1385567226 964312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had vaguely hoped for Shikhin to add a "Vishy!" or something.
< 1385567247 286143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the way it ended, probably just as well he didn't. < 1385567320 169266 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck magnus < 1385567320 581768 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385567324 908727 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck vishy < 1385567325 323939 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viswanathan Anand (born 11 December 1969) is an Indian chess Grandmaster and former World Chess Champion. < 1385567331 920746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats metasepia -----###
< 1385567353 617689 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eille! no violence against my peaceful bot! < 1385567359 258501 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvexhvzhievxzwof QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1385567361 277058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT'S HIDEOUSLY BIASED < 1385567389 585633 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs his bot. “don't listen to angry magnus supporters.”
< 1385567554 461799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also google translate thinks "eille" is finnish. < 1385567556 26907 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385567603 828708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and means "MATCH", capitals required. < 1385567656 836308 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr:eille → en:hey. < 1385567676 461686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOESN'T GOOGLE TRANSLATE KNOW THAT? < 1385567796 650664 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR THE SAME REASON FRENCH IS FRANCE FRENCH, AND ARMENIAN IS EASTERN ARMENIAN, AND CHINESE IS MANDARIN. < 1385567826 234652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd really like to have a Cantonese version. it'd be very useful in Montréal.) < 1385567900 176938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the best would be simultaneous multiple languabe output. < 1385568197 9409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't Mandarin and Cantonese spelled the same? < 1385568207 111232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless you were doing voice recognition, it make sense to merge them in a machine translator < 1385568327 500103 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the gramar and characters used are different. < 1385568398 708384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385568543 530706 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1385568544 11100 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 271600Z 31009KT 8SM -SN OVC009 01/00 A2945 RMK SF8 /S01/ SLP976 < 1385568550 781730 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-SN indeed. < 1385568762 241560 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@auth55-123.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385568778 549445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth 2 dummy . < 1385568779 176064 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1385569083 150317 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385570089 155921 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a Brainfuck Derivative based on the disecrete logarithm problem thingy < 1385570115 164634 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Knappsack Problem < 1385570178 537272 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385570222 299764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: to base a language on an NP problem is vile and nasty. please implement. < 1385570528 994243 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a travelling saleman language < 1385570533 687253 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That salesman sells integers < 1385570553 295437 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385570555 711562 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385570611 102559 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. < 1385570649 151150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you failed to mention Eodermdrome < 1385570986 190247 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to mention Eodermdrome
< 1385571031 198701 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are some 2^2^n problems < 1385571034 574279 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty heinous < 1385571060 521136 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler if he was a complexity class < 1385571133 539221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about O(ackermann). < 1385571181 608428 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall ackermann⁻¹ appearing in the complexity of some algorithms < 1385571196 993009 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but ackermann^-1 is pretty fucking soft < 1385571197 683389 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "p. slow" < 1385571202 990671 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely a step above O(1) < 1385571220 627747 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, log*(n) (iterated logarithm) < 1385571225 509307 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(fast growing * factorial * exponent * tetration * fuck you fuck you fuck you) < 1385571234 656460 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had a cancer growing at O(a^-1), I wouldn't even stop eating radium < 1385571245 691895 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : Sure, but try finding such a problem! < 1385571259 95885 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a problem *that doesn't have a less complex solution* < 1385571286 336631 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my guess is that there's probably a cap on complexity < 1385571323 678467 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does radium taste like? < 1385571329 839970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the complexity of finding every problem with ackermann complexity < 1385571331 687524 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385571342 40120 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385571344 2340 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dagnabbit < 1385571493 100893 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the upper limit on complexity is impossibility. < 1385571560 259483 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALL_(complexity) < 1385571647 390756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: keep your limit down < 1385572925 382306 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I meant more computational time-wise < 1385572955 375981 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'forever' is a time! < 1385573278 767202 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385573637 186384 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ALL include undecidable decision problems? < 1385573735 654875 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. is the halting problem in ALL, or is it not classified as a decision problem despite having a boolean answer? < 1385573780 786061 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halting problem is in RE < 1385573785 111244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a subset of ALL ofc) < 1385573835 738980 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1385573932 805154 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if a program halts it takes finite time to demonstrate thath. < 1385573949 179058 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, ALL is a strict superset of RE, and so includes impossible problems. < 1385574084 506294 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not undefinable problems! < 1385574212 766782 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno. might as well put them in there too. < 1385574418 621205 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1385574431 243220 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefinable problems cannot be inputed in a Turing machines < 1385574456 45242 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they can be in a SUPERTURING MACHINE < 1385574461 747903 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just use an undefinable machine. < 1385574472 713603 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a Turing machine with continuous cells < 1385574503 446852 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a Turing machine with infinite starting input < 1385574850 715448 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is EXPTIME considered unfeasable < 1385574868 842905 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran some exptime programs < 1385574875 696628 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were mighty feasable < 1385574886 904356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: isn't it just the greatest food invention ever? why did it take so long to get invented? < 1385574905 517515 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: because for realistically large problem sizes you're usuallyy fucked. < 1385574944 237939 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feasable isn't the same as "Fuck it's too big, let's give up < 1385574959 743711 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :twss < 1385575019 15648 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're giving up you're basically saying it's infeasible. < 1385575056 788056 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia has a good example of an exptime problem: figuring out perfect play from a given chess position is exponential in the size of the board. < 1385575078 676781 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guess what, people actually don't compute perfect play in chess. < 1385575091 707940 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might if they played on a 4x4 chess set! < 1385575111 577496 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't. < 1385575173 146815 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chess Attack: played on a six-row five-column board, Chess Attack follows standard chess rules, and can be regarded as an endgame variant." < 1385575182 840568 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only 30 cells! < 1385575213 384940 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that was proven exptime...yes there are exp many games from a position, but i didn't know it had been proven that there wasn't some complicated heuristic that ended up being as good as perfect < 1385575229 852346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'as good as perfect' is pretty hard. < 1385575241 804958 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: my mouth was burning with the force of a thousand limes. < 1385575247 682812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "prove it doesn't exist" is also hard < 1385575278 43911 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://turbo.sos.gd/ < 1385575302 443158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and i only sent the regular ones. they also have NITRO, which are the same but habanero based. < 1385575317 219126 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i can prove that "while (1) {}" never halts but that doesn't make the halting problem feasible, you know? < 1385575371 710220 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, but you can always solve an EXP problem < 1385575376 416390 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has gained a new quest! “Find a bag of NITRO TAKIS”!
< 1385575376 573996 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given sufficient time and space < 1385575377 418888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: doesn't it halt when someone interrupts it/ < 1385575382 8380 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not really comparable < 1385575394 93755 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you ever sleep? < 1385575436 886798 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was last on here about 11 hours ago < 1385575450 777987 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you were here then < 1385575526 791731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_presence.html < 1385575571 901566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you live in BIG SCOTLAND < 1385575574 714650 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/its-thanksgiving-so-we-asked-some-brits-to-label-the-us-stat?s=mobile < 1385575607 435667 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/its-thanksgiving-so-we-asked-some-brits-to-label-the-us-stat < 1385575638 357922 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwah ah ah ah ah :D < 1385575650 321209 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a new one, Big Scotland. < 1385575717 615794 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: thanks < 1385575753 358536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big. < 1385575757 802423 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: no < 1385575758 603365 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1385575845 790360 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what's the point of having 'feasible' mean 'possible'? < 1385576091 971999 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's what it means? < 1385576101 207564 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'possible' could be said to mean that we can imagine some actor, possibly in a science-fiction novel, considering it feasible, while 'feasible' means that i can be that actor. < 1385576108 578274 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sharing the same root as french "faisable" < 1385576109 808480 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doable < 1385576109 966089 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does hackego actually say is he already has information about something? < 1385576120 382341 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck etymology < 1385576132 214993 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, but if you go by that < 1385576134 194889 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i don't think `learn checks. < 1385576137 312948 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them are feasable < 1385576143 833629 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polynomial can be unfeasable! < 1385576147 130304 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even O(1) < 1385576157 363250 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If O(1) is 10^100 < 1385576196 910537 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a particular O(1) algorithm might be infeasible but most of the ones we use aren't. < 1385576244 522721 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds a bit racist to judge a class from a few bad apples! < 1385576281 219443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a few bad apples/the majority of the bunch/ < 1385576345 488633 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So racist < 1385576367 29744 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you're joking and all but don't trivialize racism, please. < 1385576367 760465 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION colle des pommes sur Slereah
< 1385576406 903051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feasibility is an informal concept. it is what it is. < 1385576428 802615 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the golden pommes de soleil or ... the silver pommes de la lune? < 1385576431 751207 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best program is O(0) < 1385576454 985260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: all Unnecessary programs are O(0)! < 1385576478 189394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they exist < 1385576482 54128 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's only one O(0) program < 1385576483 326969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't exist < 1385576484 890546 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The empty program! < 1385576490 109302 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'd go with a golden apple. you know, something something kallisti something... < 1385576495 964757 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although < 1385576502 751273 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure O(0) makes sense < 1385576519 903969 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since O(f) is O(f)/f ~> 1 < 1385576529 478439 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1385576530 839326 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1385576556 208320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385576594 156394 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[f(x) = O(g(x)) if and only if there is a positive constant M such that for all sufficiently large values of x, f(x) is at most M multiplied by g(x) in absolute value." < 1385576605 803260 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an annoying definition i can never remember < 1385576644 11649 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this implies that if f = O(0) then f is 0, probably. < 1385576649 693576 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess O(0) makes sense for the empty program then < 1385576655 146818 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. < 1385576721 984693 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(0 + i) < 1385576801 354622 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply the Ms of an O(1) by -i, and voila. < 1385576863 931542 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the computational classes machine dependant? < 1385576867 775671 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed-wise < 1385576883 410911 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that some algorithms are faster in certain paradigm < 1385576906 568989 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what oracles are for, probably. < 1385576962 560460 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean within the TC class of computers < 1385576995 454985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, say for ripple-carry addition, you say it's linear in the number of digits; that basically means that the time is a linear function of how much an operation taken as primitive (adding digits) takes < 1385577057 306880 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385577290 851674 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: isn't eris the moon goddess? < 1385577295 456571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385577297 673849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's selene < 1385577306 824929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i associate eris with the moon somehow? < 1385577361 946472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that implies that O(0) and O(1) mean the same thing :) < 1385577380 118842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WE KNEW WHAT SLEREAH MEANT < 1385577441 173720 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385577458 622950 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical question < 1385577472 935682 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychological answer. < 1385577485 27477 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have a function f: A x P(A) - > R < 1385577495 690367 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is f(.,A)? < 1385577517 499695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is P()? < 1385577520 791316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerset? < 1385577527 208764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385577552 72173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and . means plug in the whole set? < 1385577572 222035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i don't know. but it's still a function into the reals < 1385577576 943276 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my question < 1385577592 196860 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(A) means you had issues with your mother when you were young. < 1385577633 423476 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen f(. in any way < 1385577737 541503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I've seen people use - as an implicit lambda variable < 1385577745 611767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, f(_,A) means \x.f(x,A) < 1385577799 38043 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it says it should be a vector < 1385577828 341461 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(.,A) that is < 1385578009 338537 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: what do you mean? it depends what f and A are. for example if A is the empty set then it's the empty function. < 1385578041 536706 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think myname is asking about notation. < 1385578155 308704 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah presumably that's a lambda variable < 1385578183 232761 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds strange in this context, but i will take it for now < 1385578574 962810 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385578590 943015 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1385578677 986289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sometimes people even use two -s! It's great. < 1385578724 732522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in Hom(f(-),-) ~ Hom(-,g(-)) < 1385578812 749140 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385578859 562680 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I refuse you adjunction. < 1385578868 17173 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't understand adjunctions. :(
< 1385578883 910624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I only understand them from the axioms, and intuitively < 1385578885 269635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don'2 get the advantage of saying "f(.,A) is in the core" instead of "for every x in A, f(x,A) is in the core" < 1385578888 384920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the in-between bits < 1385578919 229861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in a closed category, you have (A×B)=>C === A=>(B=>C) < 1385578926 745862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the main interesting point < 1385578962 54860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main interesting thing you can do in a closed category is to tensor morphisms backwards < 1385579738 685678 :tertu!~tertu@rrcs-67-52-30-254.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385579816 376245 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385579883 241501 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385580005 729627 :tertu!~tertu@rrcs-67-52-30-254.west.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385580150 403152 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385580464 483636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, that's usually the definition of =>. < 1385580495 333192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the two =>s on the right side aren't the same thing.) < 1385580510 137064 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385580606 684613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLy4j8EZIk < 1385580775 600356 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that video will be at home watched. < 1385581058 873465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes they are < 1385581062 112923 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn34-012.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385581067 449976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the definition on objects < 1385581075 217163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a definition on morphisms too but it's more complex < 1385581240 212304 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) -> (->) => >>> -> => -> >>> × >>> -> => -> >>> => (->) -> (->) < 1385581264 329619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1385581295 69711 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphism art. < 1385581302 511979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean. < 1385581337 112896 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-134.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385581338 964705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I do understand, actually, will look again in a little while. < 1385582446 575213 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385583821 22599 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385584142 361331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1385584350 973183 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385584454 701498 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you named after a train? someone in another channel just said that the train they were on wasn't fizzie < 1385584562 949620 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385584607 914662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I am not named after a train. But that sounds curious. < 1385584631 5839 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 820 < 1385584632 311469 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :820) I am a train. There's a wireless network in the train! < 1385584644 624389 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they just referenced HackEgo quote 820 < 1385584647 276790 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hmm < 1385584658 458545 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be following this channel for some reason < 1385584661 981006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people can HackEgo? < 1385584664 724184 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385584666 785909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Uh. Strange. < 1385584668 624702 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Oj742 < 1385584671 7678 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Oj742: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1385584685 881368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: why on fungot would people want to follow the chännel... < 1385584686 112795 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which includes themselves. if they were fnord. amazing restaurant. even the wrong bits be painted as a string? examples that i have < 1385584702 776490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried googling for "fizzie train" but mostly got "Fizzie Vixen"'s Vine stuff. < 1385584714 708709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :traaaaain! < 1385584717 93526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's not me.) < 1385584721 234913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like trains. < 1385584727 293988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too
< 1385584756 250400 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385584780 556876 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fungot. I just understood fizzie's pectopah. < 1385584780 774042 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i use a combination of ( for the bytecode compiler could work well < 1385584807 412806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'll let that unbalanced ( slip this time, you vile unkarmic bot. < 1385584807 654811 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and my debugging usually revolves around ( define low-level in terms of s-expressions ( i don't expect you to go to a public school? remind me not to < 1385584819 933299 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're stretching your luck too far, young'un. < 1385584820 91520 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i can't believe i said that < 1385584826 284633 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: me neither. < 1385585020 998753 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1385585063 163254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what 476 is about at all. < 1385585089 806134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 476 < 1385585091 659170 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :476) I think it's fizzie against everyone atm AND EVERYONE IS WINNING EXCEPT FIZZIE < 1385585109 749121 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a race to make you not remember itself < 1385585205 829572 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you know? < 1385585226 697060 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not < 1385585230 350044 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the other Taneb < 1385585241 274940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the usual explanation. < 1385585243 656256 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other taneb?? < 1385585252 477031 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know... < 1385585255 575955 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one who Taneb is not. mystery explained. < 1385585255 733735 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ngevd < 1385585280 476065 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?people who taneb is not < 1385585281 789343 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?people: not found < 1385585284 996161 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people who taneb is not < 1385585287 187541 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond < 1385585299 573600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't help but notice a lack of ngevd < 1385585327 734406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs AND EVERYONE IS WINNING < 1385585339 790360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have been a #esoteric-minecraft quote. < 1385585356 537194 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, shit. < 1385585366 332080 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1861 < 1385585386 380316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :About a dorf furtress game. < 1385585396 548357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which I guess there's a convention to name folks after #esotericers? < 1385585401 26677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you 'win' dorf furtressx < 1385585426 950010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I didn't add any new newlines to @run or change the space handling, all I did was increase a constant. I didn't touch the code, though I considered it. https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/commits/master is up-to-date except for the 200 -> 350 change in lambdabot-core/src/Lambdabot/OutputFilter.hs (textwidth). < 1385585427 108134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385585496 235662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: Who is on a rampage currently? Just fizzie He's a mason < 1385585512 94289 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn34-012.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385585518 714058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : What do you call a dorf with no nose? fizzie? Yup < 1385585523 181044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes reading stuff feels kinda weird. < 1385585528 740605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do have a nose.) < 1385585536 95397 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really < 1385585538 467600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where'd you get it < 1385585544 286187 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I presume you're not a dorf, too < 1385585548 725951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came with the face. < 1385585555 961492 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of dwarf fortress < 1385585562 598403 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover ... < 1385585562 756672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385585893 514121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pegnose fizzie < 1385586236 648175 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck pegnose < 1385586237 8684 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385586467 557456 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-91-75.baf.movistar.cl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385586921 993779 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? befunge < 1385586923 698409 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385586962 514709 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: SUM ( + SIZE 1 EQUAL NOT ) WHILE ; 10 RANGE SUM . < 1385587001 201725 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: : sum ( + size 1 = ! ) while ; 10 range sum . < 1385587055 765051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : SUM ( + SIZE 1 EQUAL NOT ) WHILE ; 10 RANGE SUM . < 1385587057 67636 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.3307:1: expected control flow stack item \ : SUM ( + SIZE 1 EQUAL NOT ) >>>WHILE<<< ; 10 RANGE SUM . \ Backtrace: \ $7FBF20466988 throw \ $7FBF20476918 c(abort") \ $7FBF20476AC8 cs-item? \ $7FBF20477440 CS-ROLL < 1385587255 634851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that's the suggested Forthoid, and not actual Forth. < 1385587264 855883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : sum 0 begin over while + repeat ; 0 1 5 2 4 3 sum . \ sum of a 0-terminated list < 1385587265 655965 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 < 1385587432 361239 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-163-220.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385587435 702581 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385587439 914676 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-163-220.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385587458 279521 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-163-220.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385587577 179960 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1385587579 411416 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover Phantom__Hoover pikhq quintopia Roujo Sgeo SgeoBot shikhin SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1385587591 919054 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1385587598 770402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-5.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385587598 928235 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. couldn't resist. < 1385587706 977026 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-163-220.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385587902 854199 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: (APPLY CHICKEN '(CHICKEN CHICKEN)) < 1385587905 25276 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385588239 33558 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I'm happy I'm not on the List < 1385588643 723358 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-223.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385588850 379297 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-134.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385589155 833417 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385589298 64615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing I like: when someone writes a long S-expression in Scheme (or other such), and needs to put some two dozen )s after the last non-) character, and decides to put them like http://sprunge.us/INhI < 1385589355 714580 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1385589381 176966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've seen that happen a total of one time.) < 1385589463 776826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385589800 718909 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385591152 236840 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When someone writes "CRINGE" on IRC you know it's a pun well done < 1385591263 595796 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : i begin #tib @ >in @ = if tib 50 accept #tib ! 0 >in ! then bl word find dup if state @ = if , else execute then else dup rot count >number if state @ if last @ dup @ last ! dp ! then abort then drop2 state @ if ['] lit , , then then again ; i | 2 2 + . < 1385591264 306500 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.3951:1: Undefined word \ : i begin #tib @ >in @ = if tib 50 accept #tib ! 0 >in ! then bl word find dup if state @ = if , else execute then else dup rot count >number if state @ if last @ dup @ last ! dp ! then abort then >>>drop2<<< state @ if ['] lit , , then then again ; i | 2 2 + . \ Backtrace: \ $7F226ACC9A68 throw \ $7F226ACDFC68 no.extensions < 1385591279 808054 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth : int begin #tib @ >in @ = if tib 50 accept #tib ! 0 >in ! then bl word find dup if state @ = if , else execute then else dup rot count >number if state @ if last @ dup @ last ! dp ! then abort then drop2 state @ if ['] lit , , then then again ; int | 2 2 + . < 1385591280 685497 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.3997:1: Undefined word \ : int begin #tib @ >in @ = if tib 50 accept #tib ! 0 >in ! then bl word find dup if state @ = if , else execute then else dup rot count >number if state @ if last @ dup @ last ! dp ! then abort then >>>drop2<<< state @ if ['] lit , , then then again ; int | 2 2 + . \ Backtrace: \ $7FCE3F9ADA68 throw \ $7FCE3F9C3C68 no.extensions < 1385591325 266119 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-163-220.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385591436 238017 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385591776 113902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385591800 886439 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385591807 145560 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385591900 321932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice of the storm to fully hit just as i was going back home < 1385591917 561655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ampdE1n.gif < 1385591959 740608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lost < 1385591959 898882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 1h 48m 52s ago: I didn't add any new newlines to @run or change the space handling, all I did was increase a constant. I didn't touch the code, though I considered it. https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/commits/master is up-to-date except for the 200 -> 350 change in lambdabot-core/src/Lambdabot/OutputFilter.hs (textwidth). < 1385592014 745875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e i guess it was done before your time then. < 1385592014 903515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385592027 512665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks suspiciously at elliott
< 1385592028 874146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1385592029 31725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1385592045 845906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: might also look suspiciously at mokus < 1385592068 360307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is mok < 1385592074 122131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mokus < 1385592088 476983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi's tab completion, so primitive < 1385592106 129865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot take me trying to tab complete someone not here. or its own name. < 1385592160 156430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maintainer: James Cook < 1385592178 393866 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-223.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat < 1385592229 873404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385592254 343645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you asked who mokus is. < 1385592340 166065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that somewhere in lambdabot's code. < 1385592352 966482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the .cabal file < 1385592384 765991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mokus0/lambdabot/blob/master/lambdabot/lambdabot.cabal < 1385592397 883967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://hackage.haskell.org/package/lambdabot :) < 1385592408 925089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.deepbondi.net/ looks promising. < 1385592431 762661 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-53-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385592470 124 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-53-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385592470 157622 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385592554 966644 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-223.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385592581 27167 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385593070 720724 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385593079 919968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385593356 287753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell slereah Why is EXPTIME considered unfeasable <-- "For every polynomial-time algorithm you have, there is an exponential algorithm that I would rather run." -- Alan Perlis < 1385593356 482776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385593380 974752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :---------[--------- < 1385593428 310785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you removing tabs in brainfuck < 1385593508 321690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. +[,>+<---------[>-]>[<+++++++++.>->]<<] < 1385593556 123362 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :]+] < 1385593557 496131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably messed that up, I'm out of practice. < 1385593654 827121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should simply do +[,---------[+++++++++.[-]]+] < 1385593729 108178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're not halting at eof < 1385593759 630736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which eof convention do you favor? < 1385593780 842764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results olist < 1385593781 476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for olist (Open): update=932 < 1385593781 258513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 usually, since that's what the bots around here use < 1385593802 523229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just realized that @vote won't show the list of names anyway, so you still need to @poll-results < 1385593805 747122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ,[---------[+++++++++.[-]],] < 1385593830 561482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd work < 1385593879 945037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how's the middle loop ever halt < 1385593894 997448 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or. wait. nevermind. < 1385594412 553784 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385594420 928876 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385595227 531201 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-91-75.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't understand that quote < 1385595242 789151 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-91-75.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i read that as alan turing < 1385595253 662557 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perlis -> Turing < 1385595303 714944 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-91-75.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that that it changes anything) < 1385595307 479051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perling < 1385595316 907857 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-91-75.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*not) < 1385595343 766554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it means that the formal complexity class of an algorithm may not mean much in practice. < 1385595354 206619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: simplex method < 1385595393 71272 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-91-75.baf.movistar.cl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay i guess it changes things if it was someone who lived much after turing < 1385595413 259376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that constant overhead may be more important than O() class for problem sizes you actually care about < 1385595425 68831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how read it. < 1385595429 298546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1385595438 382255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one remarkable thing about EXPTIME is that it's actually known to be different from P < 1385595439 551572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\i < 1385595442 324048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-\ < 1385595480 233093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _that_ remarkable, time and space hierarchies are pretty fine masked _separately_. < 1385595491 764512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385595499 492130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hard to compare time with space. < 1385595501 141672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying it's remarkable is somewhat tongue-in-cheek < 1385595519 944598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given all the classes which aren't known to be distinct from P < 1385595523 135262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time with space, or deterministic with nondeterministic < 1385595534 88502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait can you say "fine masked" in english < 1385595544 630324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not familiar with that phrase < 1385595548 878868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsit mean < 1385595606 211138 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are the classes for quantum computers < 1385595611 601312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gt suggests "meshed" < 1385595704 842572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe fine mesh < 1385595797 960460 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not familiar with this idiom < 1385595842 574544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finely divided < 1385595868 766448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that has to be actual english. < 1385595871 718666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :please? < 1385595904 85359 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i'm just thick. < 1385595963 479222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next try "fine-grained" < 1385596105 570411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah, P ?= BQP ?= NP is real important < 1385596171 274717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be funny if someone found out a way to simulate quantum systems efficiently with classical computers, and as a side effect broke RSA < 1385596185 165378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Love #StackOverflow? Want it for your team? Check out http://quandora.com" ok you can't just take the name "Quora" and stick a few more letters in the middle < 1385596206 313565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be funny < 1385596224 530315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be funny to get a totally non-constructive proof of P = NP < 1385596230 293534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quwhynotora < 1385596249 644786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1385596268 341658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a proof which produces a polynomial-time algorithm which is way too slow to ever use, and which resists improvement < 1385596278 331276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a proof that P ?= NP is independent of the axioms of ZFC < 1385596318 603211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point is that kmc likes to frustrate mathematicians < 1385596338 420115 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :five worlds etc < 1385596346 905909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about an algorithm for SAT that seems to work extremely fast but which no one can prove that it always works < 1385596362 943091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, a good paper < 1385596373 269008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good paper < 1385596394 541394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should read it once, i guess it has all those options. < 1385596407 705166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, are you referring to http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FiveWorlds.html or http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Five_Worlds < 1385596417 373268 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385596420 75483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have found the actual paper but i like that those two links were first) < 1385596426 469716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i vaguely suspect not the latter < 1385596439 199947 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a proof that P > NP? < 1385596441 644466 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be weird < 1385596463 850951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well then you're just breaking mathematics < 1385596464 698515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, well, i vaguely suspect not you < 1385596495 281771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :P <= NP is pretty trivial. < 1385596514 637899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all P turing machines are also NP turing machines) < 1385596593 814324 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385596676 895922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise P <= BPP <= NP because a BPP machine is like a NP machine but it has to accept on "lots of paths" not just one < 1385596708 15581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did an exercise about the class BPP^NP which my friend decided means "Black Panther Party with NP oracle" < 1385596720 823153 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puttin that in my next sci-fi epic < 1385596763 995066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is BPP <= NP really obvious < 1385596787 15524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP doesn't allow you to count paths < 1385596821 641885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both reducing to #P is obvious. < 1385596857 21934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah, i'm wrong < 1385596869 987526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The relationship between BPP and NP is unknown: it is not known if BPP is a subset of NP, NP is a subset of BPP or if they are incomparable." < 1385596897 316305 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P is still a subset of BPP though, right < 1385596902 597709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1385597072 365985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it thundering < 1385597078 449056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: genericLength is almost never a good idea. < 1385597084 518558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much the only use case is lazy naturals. < 1385597120 130208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION unplugs laptop, just in case
< 1385597167 673659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about time for the monthly recommended uncharging, anyway < 1385597247 926869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what if my list has more than 2^64 elements? er hmm... < 1385597272 121944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's more interesting on 32-bit machines < 1385597290 596567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^64 < 1385597291 520860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18446744073709551616 < 1385597301 806339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so over 32-bit machines < 1385597305 31878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**64 < 1385597306 21941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.8446744073709552e19 < 1385597308 890598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: With 64-bit Int it doesn't matter much realistically. With 32-bit Int it can matter, but you should *still* not use genericLength. < 1385597311 905672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src genericLength < 1385597312 74139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericLength [] = 0 < 1385597312 74357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericLength (_:l) = 1 + genericLength l < 1385597321 157750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe by the time Servo is a product even phones will all be 64-bit < 1385597326 305573 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src length < 1385597326 475488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. < 1385597326 779457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1385597341 852583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map Seq.length (iterate (\s -> s <> s) (Seq.singleton ())) !! 63 < 1385597343 62279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9223372036854775808 < 1385597348 644988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit architectures are a real problem if you want lightweight threads because there isn't enough address space for all the stacks < 1385597360 368308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list vote < 1385597360 530414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove < 1385597369 728448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help poll-show < 1385597369 885590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll-show Shows all choices for some poll < 1385597378 176505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show remove@src < 1385597378 333484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :["no","yes"] < 1385597393 381708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-add remove@src makeitactuallywork < 1385597393 538693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: @poll-add with "ThisTopic" style names < 1385597405 804020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385597439 356721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add remove@src makeItActuallyWork < 1385597439 513630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "makeItActuallyWork", added to poll "remove@src". < 1385597451 301091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote remove@src makeItActuallyWork < 1385597451 457840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "remove@src" poll is closed, sorry ! < 1385597454 157039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1385597470 627945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show remove@src < 1385597470 784731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :["makeItActuallyWork","no","yes"] < 1385597477 55697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :semi-closed. < 1385597482 437694 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's your favourite turing tarpit < 1385597533 848711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up on tab removal (with bfgolf rules; no negative numbers), after ,[[>+>+<<-]>-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[>.<[-]]>[-]<]]]]]]]]>[.[-]]<<,] and the slightly longer >,[>>+++++++++[>+<-<<-[>]>]>[>[>]<[<<<+>>>-]<[-]<<.>>]>[-]<<<,]
< 1385597745 954865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: underload or ///, maybe slightly the former < 1385597770 172871 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thank you < 1385597783 78679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this for your essay < 1385597812 765098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS A GREAT INVASION OF PRIVACY AND I WANT ROYALTIES < 1385597826 228771 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush < 1385597837 149657 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted an example of a turing tarpit < 1385597837 306403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is writing an essay? < 1385597846 432404 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I have to write an essay in the next 9 or so hours < 1385597862 494547 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About a classic Computer Science paper of my choice < 1385597867 987058 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose On Computable Numbers < 1385597878 453092 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoulda done five worlds. smh < 1385597892 478843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it really tarpitty you can do underload with just :()^ or /// with just /\ < 1385597914 215628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can i have royalties too < 1385597928 643564 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, if you pay for me to live in CA < 1385597940 518416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1385597943 544046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no royalty in CA < 1385597955 905454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :try .uk instead < 1385597967 283306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .nl etc < 1385597969 86177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarpittiful < 1385597970 489841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p. Emperor Norton < 1385597985 414177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll name that bridge after him yet < 1385597986 233487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, Taneb is actually in .uk < 1385597995 210921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking oakland wouldn't go along < 1385597995 772440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1385598007 265640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the bastards! < 1385598029 994958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need to make sure all the san franciscans who move to oakland due to outrageous rent in SF will remain loyal to the emperor < 1385598035 820063 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, although I have contacts in .nl and .au < 1385598042 80433 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And .it, come to think of it < 1385598051 416485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a new bar in the Tenderloin called Emperor Norton's Boozeland < 1385598055 666247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've yet to go < 1385598060 831992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume I will either love it or hate it intensely < 1385598143 108285 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did norton even drink < 1385598183 59322 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me < 1385598184 25386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1385598192 465569 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to get a game of Diana: Warrior Princess going < 1385598211 922848 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385598310 384572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there is royalty in .ca though < 1385598318 513762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: would .ca suffice < 1385598375 802064 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm maybe < 1385598453 895233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :emperor Taneb for president < 1385598513 184728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars." < 1385598537 278139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if outsourced royalty counts < 1385598613 873563 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385598621 207076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how much is that in 2013 dollars < 1385598649 746543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can frink convert that < 1385598712 881784 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ngerakines/commitment/blob/master/commit_messages.txt < 1385598778 303509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I may be guilty of a few of those < 1385598787 671682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385598822 947310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 25 dollars_1872 -> dollar < 1385598833 509386 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error when reading Consumer Price Index file from FTP site. \ Will use static file for historical U.S. currency conversions. \ 463.23673749815968985 < 1385598847 894032 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-183.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385598916 737095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that shouldn't be _too_ out of date. < 1385598941 655483 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'IEize" < 1385598951 870300 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385599518 171203 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385599522 912942 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-53-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385599561 304773 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-53-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385599561 461564 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385599679 864031 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385599701 200731 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1385599712 956796 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the fact that things can be accidentally turing complete show < 1385599738 681443 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This essay is in in 9 hours and I'm 50 words short < 1385599741 63269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the world is a bad place < 1385599749 504766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 50/9 < 1385599750 524711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.555555555555555 < 1385599758 418224 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite shachaf < 1385599760 294485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 50/(9*60) < 1385599761 270796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.259259259259259e-2 < 1385599792 161863 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I've reached the point where I'm being really introspective about my chest hair < 1385599799 854449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that we're doomed once our toasters accidentally turn sentient. < 1385599808 671921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *sapient < 1385599828 425249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are your chest hairs turing complete < 1385599839 200481 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so but on the other hand bathroom tiles are < 1385599841 913403 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who knows < 1385599848 553296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know there was an iso standard for entering unicode codepoints < 1385599867 863819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's just what urxvt does < 1385599872 161019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you use urxvt < 1385600278 862449 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385600293 697239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385600910 534441 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385600955 818376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think i've mentioned it here < 1385602318 241963 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1385602382 9552 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: but are you a constant function or a variable function? < 1385602382 177482 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: i'm ol' x86 user ;p http://www.klubitus.org/ fnord/ fnord < 1385602387 884409 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, function ^ < 1385602438 14967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :function: fun fact, all except one of your nicks collides with someone else in the first 3 letters < 1385602482 732373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders if function is changing nick automatically and has been idling this whole time
< 1385602485 947373 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is /win 19 < 1385602486 190396 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: how old are you?" " this section describe infrared connection troubleshooting procedure." hahah, same with perl/ java/ io/ file.html < 1385602510 635929 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385602545 510862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have fungot in its own window? < 1385602545 668668 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: different people have different preferences. some people don't < 1385602556 625465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i guess you're right. < 1385602556 783601 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm how can drscheme fnord factorial that fast and with no examples. < 1385602569 39558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's a mystery < 1385602569 246421 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hehe... my wife? is she at home enjoying capitalism?. yarly nowai fnord if then else < 1385602595 211105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that sounds expensive, also i didn't know you were married. < 1385602595 411732 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: external 1g scsi hd. but that may be very good for writing little scripts." how many people use religion as an answer < 1385602620 590401 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I don't change nick automaticall < 1385602628 520135 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i started saying something about fungot, and then i won < 1385602628 677792 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: but why would you need to check < 1385602631 273381 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which nick doesn't collide ? < 1385602639 202120 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I'm a mutable constant function < 1385602645 312019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :function: variable < 1385602652 362155 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha < 1385602666 70922 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :constants are just a kind of function < 1385602767 697528 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385603006 731162 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385603022 814042 :nooodl!~nooodl@174.148-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385603152 197775 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385603303 838222 :nooodl_!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385603357 816276 :nooodl!~nooodl@174.148-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385603570 765689 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385603589 973534 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1385603590 131233 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385605257 455293 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385605638 228439 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-91-75.baf.movistar.cl QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1385605669 409492 :nooodl__!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385605878 255653 :nooodl__!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1385605903 884788 :nooodl_!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385606614 690334 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385607405 175914 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385607493 518164 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://discontinuity.info/~pkhuong/futures/ of course < 1385609438 73721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385611911 396190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Horny Ghost Of Osama Bin Laden : Rise Of The Ghost and over one million other books are available for Amazon Kindle. [Learn more]" < 1385612516 154943 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385612997 219993 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: when someone asks me what an applicative functor is i have to tell them "they're like halfway between boxes and burritos" < 1385613109 39616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/bos31337/status/402212508187897856 < 1385613269 480649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has a twitter account? < 1385613269 664894 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why no pointers? me scared by pointer fnord n' stuff? < 1385613304 654589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a three-star programmer < 1385613304 913283 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i wish i were a fan of the fnord and passing it to number-string with a radix of 8 to just generate a simple html webpage. < 1385613313 293884 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often are you asked what an applicative functor is < 1385613316 692601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/ < 1385613316 850598 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you are, 6 instructions. i figured that < 1385613330 222757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ya got me < 1385613330 415638 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you think the extension was? just some random ideas and the thought alone makes me want to kill someone. i'll make up something < 1385613515 44613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many instructions am i < 1385613515 267271 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: although really all programming concepts out there in the begin clause of define-structure then? ;p it might make sense < 1385613525 309908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot don't make sense < 1385613525 495564 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there was a major transition to 32-bit architectures in all sorts of things < 1385613550 485740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 32-bit addresses aren't enough for kmc < 1385613550 644140 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in scheme?' < 1385613650 942369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're the seriously best bot < 1385613651 420512 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: zomg repeat!! but that low-level stuff frightens and confuses me, so to have binary data combined with gc'ed data i'd have to special-case literals; you treat them as a tad) n < 1385613656 23884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're the seriously best bot < 1385613670 97769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time i'm taking directions from a bot < 1385613711 402908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, to be young again, and also a robot < 1385613821 930182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/ah-to-be-young-rich-white-male-collegeeducated-str,34320/ < 1385613952 133576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1385614029 833301 :coppro|nospoiler!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1385614039 674698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro|spoiled < 1385614046 828433 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1385614048 833145 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spoilers! < 1385614074 906039 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brian dies < 1385614181 804335 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow is this < 1385614190 153446 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov chains from sicp and the king james bible < 1385614275 497657 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. yes < 1385614288 296986 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the description in the header" < 1385614360 765588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it says on the tin < 1385615588 818410 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385616555 359811 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385617708 779253 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385617750 258325 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385618917 687912 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385619880 168844 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385622363 859606 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385623240 92407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It hasn't tweeted for a while, though. < 1385623252 843517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The script might be broken.) < 1385624395 435372 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385624462 728143 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385624993 787938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Date of publication nulldate; date of current version nulldate." < 1385625109 830654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like you have the first and only version < 1385625560 670143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it seems that in the acknowledgements footnote I've claimed that the "recognition experimenters" (rather than experiments) have been performed using computational resources from the Triton cluster. < 1385625569 252060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means that I'm a program after all. < 1385625650 377396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a train? < 1385625710 140304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i a train < 1385625782 984610 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://acko.net/blog/on-asmjs/ < 1385625850 584595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope nope nope < 1385625864 844901 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope? < 1385625865 628812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that guy for his rant about how feminism is bullshit and what about the men: http://acko.net/blog/storms-and-teacups/ < 1385625876 647382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for his absurd LOOK AT ME web design which distracts from the content and melts my computer < 1385625877 577034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some kind of a computer-simulated train. < 1385625879 588758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion, nope < 1385625889 300863 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. didn't know. < 1385625893 681805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am I a computer dreaming i'm a train? or a train dreaming i'm a computer? < 1385625952 360675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exercises in model checking class did often involve trains and elevators < 1385625971 918095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the prof had a story about being hired by the italian government to prove that the trains wouldn't run into each other < 1385625975 993849 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe the first page of that hits like half my antifeminism bingo card. < 1385625979 817339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know right < 1385625995 256987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been able to make it all the way through (which I guess means I have no right to criticize, according to the first section) < 1385626004 860674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead I open it, scroll to a random point, get intensely angry, close it < 1385626028 92726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's usually a way for humans to fuck up so that the trains run into each other, anyway, though < 1385626031 162348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :, isn't it < 1385626059 170375 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen like one video of a head on train collision, but i might have imagiend int < 1385626068 91485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :head-on-train collision < 1385626072 508020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those happen a lot on caltrain :/ < 1385626079 375087 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, really < 1385626086 52465 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've mostly seen train-hits-incidental-vehicle < 1385626089 12026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ICE 3 high speed trains use electrochromatic glass panels between the passenger compartment and the driver's cabin. The standard mode is clear, and can be switched by the driver to frosted/translucent, mainly to conceal "unwanted sights" from passengers' view, for example in the case of (human) obstacles." < 1385626126 125255 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1385626146 444488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :caltrain runs right through the center of a densely populated corridor and mostly at grade < 1385626153 461085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are a lot of vehicle collisions but also a lot of suicides < 1385626284 352449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had an elevator exercise in the model checking class. < 1385626289 855662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No trains that I can recall. < 1385626408 238823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were given a puzzle about how two trams could pass each other through a bridge that looks like -=-=- , i.e., three single track sections with two passing sections between them < 1385626415 791977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on some bridge in amsterdam supposedly < 1385626458 395392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a protocol for the trams to follow which never results in them getting stuck or backing up < 1385626470 992838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it interesting that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauntlet_track is used for some bridges rather than actual single tracking < 1385626502 267125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our class was based on http://spinroot.com/spin/ if I recall correctly. < 1385626511 500358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ours too < 1385626516 341430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructor was the main developer < 1385626548 962851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROMELA was kind of funny to write. < 1385626596 712838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :merging two tracks into two overlapping tracks is simpler & more reliable (no moving parts) than merging them onto one track with switches < 1385626625 314718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't remember much about it < 1385626652 930914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it had finite state, and pattern-matching on message reception, and slightly odd syntax but nothing too awful iirc < 1385626669 910090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I mostly remember the syntactical bits. < 1385626695 270783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parts of it looked very C-inspired, but then there were the oddities that really stood out with that background. < 1385626732 363919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also "if ... fi" and "do ... od" control structures.) < 1385626740 122385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot about that < 1385626792 937056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have anything against if..fi or do..od, it's just that e.g. procedures were "normal" brace-delimited blocks. < 1385626812 355446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Some of my best friends are if..fi's and do..od's.") < 1385627691 716899 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76028872/kuusipalaa.png < 1385627757 188486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "the spruce is on fire" < 1385627762 973602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not valid :'( < 1385627770 494127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1385627772 368960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the top one < 1385627858 744158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need no water let the motherfucker burn < 1385628247 596155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of definitions for one phrase < 1385628256 368992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385628300 469482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1385629115 247914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=796bHaAtlkE#t=1m hth < 1385629547 647973 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happened to write an explanation of that to someone who asked, might as well paste it here: The words for spruce and six happen to be the same. I have no idea why. “To return” is “palata” and “to burn” is “palaa”; “I return” is “palaan” and “I burn” is “palan”. The rules of inflection just happen to make both “(it) returns” and “(it) burns” “palaa”. The word for < 1385629549 720154 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“piece” is “pala”. The inflection for “(eleventy) pieces” just happens to be “palaa”. That’s not unlike “I have a rose” and “I rose up” in English. The word for “moon” is “kuu”. The inflection for “your moon” happens to be “kuusi”. < 1385629588 578670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems sensible to me. < 1385629712 695017 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So that’s what the fox says. < 1385630620 215133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1385630624 386914 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1385630667 640186 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks taneb < 1385630668 969634 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, taneb. Thaneb. < 1385630952 292205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Wiktionary seems to indicate "kuusi" migth be both six and spruce just by accident; the number has the etymology "from Proto-Finnic *kuuci, from Proto-Finno-Ugric *kutte", while the tree is "from Proto-Uralic *kuse, *kose or *kowse". < 1385630975 715002 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, i assumed it’s just by accident, but i didn’t know the etymology of either. < 1385634095 895342 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385635892 202415 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385637492 858043 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1385637728 151817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you folks happen to know if there are good open-sores tools to annotate PDF files? < 1385637771 91813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say "printer and a pen" but even printing from Linux is nigh-impossible so < 1385637854 139774 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Xournal < 1385638082 952805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've in fact already printed the PDF, from Linux. < 1385638093 864393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm supposed to return an annotated PDF.) < 1385638192 645182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I guess Xournal does something custom? The file I return needs to be something Adobe-compatible, I presume. < 1385638211 209110 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lets you draw on the PDF and save it again. < 1385638216 908249 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very useful with a wacom pad. < 1385638271 967216 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385638336 348085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can tell from the manual, that would produce a PDF with scribblings on it, not a PDF with those specific annotation boxes. < 1385638692 19914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just rdesktop to the terminal server, it's supposed to have Adobe Acrobat X Pro on it. < 1385638736 669965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give Up And Use Windows < 1385638784 674048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385638813 70674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Heh, there's a /C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt file (as in, in the root directory) owned by root:root on kosh.org.aalto.fi. :p < 1385638878 483140 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, who's been running firefox as root < 1385638912 809887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's been MATLAB instead. < 1385639097 972827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this PDF renders quite horribly in rdesktop-Acrobat. < 1385639237 327488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131128-baseline.png that's some quality horizontal alignment there < 1385639346 367005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vertikerning < 1385639482 314274 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bew73APL7X4 wow hypnotizing < 1385640456 692892 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1385640651 182339 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385641260 873021 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought that was from adobe's pdf reader plugin for firefox < 1385641309 592310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I get it from MATLAB's help browser, but of course the help is a mess of HTML, so it might well use the same underlying components. < 1385641591 581570 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1385641893 894312 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385642213 971396 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385642232 728751 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385642247 905739 :Sorella`!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385642902 938926 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385644138 686617 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385644147 629572 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385647306 981140 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385647352 616364 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385648296 111883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385648491 494484 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello L8D < 1385648494 37897 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8Dello < 1385648504 297571 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. < 1385648514 69347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot has a twitter account? <-- pretty sure e used to have, but i think it stopped working. < 1385648514 257414 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://web.archive.org/ web/ fnord/ fnord? or where the number of arguments < 1385648536 682154 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the ball was sweet and mushy, kinda like a rice crispies square... < 1385648541 610705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's nice of you to point to the archive version, but you really shouldn't apply the fnord substitution to it < 1385648541 790413 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i haven't seen any ' fnord just yet. < 1385648563 534070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you cannot see your own fnords? i guess that makes some sense. < 1385648563 694838 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fnord? catch the wind and cut off its fnord? < 1385648578 645424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i have this feeling you are just messing with me. < 1385648578 802975 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the only motivation for the syntax < 1385648621 16004 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are creepy. < 1385648621 210596 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they shit out rice crispies" when you ask the question < 1385648623 462598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have a certain urge to `addquote that. < 1385648635 928623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(um, what you said just before.) < 1385648651 430228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically, the account still works, the tweeting script just might not. < 1385648698 475195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should revive it. < 1385648711 60262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you feel about getting back to the social twitosphere? < 1385648711 251553 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord) if ( *cptr fnord *cptr fnord) check the next cell ( a total of n places in under n moves, moving only one place < 1385648712 807808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog twitter\.com.*fungot < 1385648713 9718 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ais523 can read it back in whenever it changes cons that list onto another list < 1385648743 800339 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385648757 255328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog twitter\.com.*fungot < 1385648757 413033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and malice fnord. but i was talking about making a whole scheme < 1385648764 261141 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 could you read the twitting fungot back when the cons are changed? twh. < 1385648764 418867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385648764 419066 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's the purpose. why write source code at all < 1385648771 401495 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-04-09.txt:01:51:08: http://twitter.com/fungot < 1385648785 309510 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: uhm... like, you know, like, it's my job, genre tsé. < 1385648785 531604 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe it's more: the public is saved from what it doesn't < 1385648819 345901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: indeed. I wouldn't want the public to start coding too much. too dangerous, imho. < 1385648819 542226 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'll bet the fact that nothing works properly on this computer so i can't count. < 1385648829 469806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the one twitter account fungot follows < 1385648829 668932 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what were you talking about? what is the reindeer effect? odd :) < 1385648912 446372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just noticed that fungot mentioned rice crispies after boily did
< 1385648912 678867 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: process 4 killed. there was this comment: fnord/ guile-ref/ fnord? here's not even the current editors. they know me. you've never seen the lectures myself, but i < 1385648940 404341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reindeer effect is when you drop a twitter account in order to latch onto rice crispies. < 1385648975 148216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's probably my twitter account. < 1385649060 377052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is indeed the case. < 1385649173 887950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: latch? < 1385649174 83078 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you know the problem of namespace pollution problems.) ack! < 1385649216 520877 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I do know. as a certain bespectacled girl who wields blood would say, 不愉快です。 < 1385649216 835776 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: gnu tend not to go in early for some project instead of eager... then you could shine lasers on them to make smart decisions or act out some kind of syntax is that just x. z) < 1385649288 519375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wielding blood sounds creepy < 1385649290 304323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: am I able to make you trip onto some predetermined keywords? what are the gnu commandline options for that? poulet, orange, navet, melon, luffa, kiwi? < 1385649290 462446 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mmm.... montreal smoked meat. :) why do you say it'd work particularly well on many modern windows-based platforms" < 1385649298 510488 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a plot point. < 1385649310 352627 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yé! montréal smoked meat! < 1385649310 510637 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( " a gentle introduction to ml" is much harder than with anything else < 1385649328 550720 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: indeed. ML is hardcore. those Haskell wussies don't know nothing. < 1385649442 626457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a formal definition, which sadly only half exists because it's paywalled, iiuc. < 1385649467 901203 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. ow. tdh. < 1385649486 996264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tdnh < 1385649538 892929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live by the principle that information that isn't freely available doesn't really exist. < 1385649595 194255 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your explanation dh, even if ML by itself dnh. < 1385649624 486493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they recently released an older version of the definition. < 1385649694 115118 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, paywalls are there to protect a lack of information. case in point, about the only thriving mainstream news source in Québec switched to a tablet version. < 1385649723 492063 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well. printed and or textual. we're still stuck with TVA and suchlike when turning on a television.) < 1385649785 803481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the released version is from before they switched to the value restriction. < 1385649858 41261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ML used to have a complicated kind of purity annotation on type variables.) < 1385649919 522491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then someone realized (or borrowed from ocaml) that you can just restrict generalization of types to actual functions given syntactically. < 1385650267 971272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :" gnu tend not to go in early for some project instead of eager... then you could shine lasers on them to make smart decisions" fungot explains how to make the GNU project work. < 1385650268 234114 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 30 meg or so. i take it back a few times when i get h. in case you hadn't noticed, i was < 1385650406 273221 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole GNU project fits in 30 MB, and to work need to be shined upon by lasers. < 1385650771 426930 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I strongly suspect every GNU application is only emacs in disguise.) < 1385651497 833750 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385652706 714373 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385652728 909661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385652751 523495 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385653220 349756 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385653619 654577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://acko.net/blog/on-asmjs/ <-- so, this guy has to be blind, right? < 1385654048 748879 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need someone with a brain < 1385654069 465675 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1385654074 759266 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3SAT < 1385654113 680705 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A term in conjunctive normal form is only satisfable if every subterm is? < 1385654128 847167 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*satisfiable < 1385654157 506717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok conjuctive is where the and's are outermost, right? < 1385654161 996811 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all subterms are AND-ed < 1385654166 900759 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes < 1385654183 107685 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Subterms consist only of OR-ed variables and a Term consists of AND-ed subterms < 1385654188 234149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then yes, that's a requirement. < 1385654193 738735 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1385654209 786189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every subterm esentially describes a "non-solution" < 1385654214 925836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course if it were also sufficient, things would be very simply) < 1385654225 524893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*simple < 1385654226 438658 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls his «Circuits logiques» classes, with Karnaugh tables and smokeless chips...
< 1385654255 301493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a v !b) ^ (a v b v c) tells us, that (0, 1, x) and (0, 0, 0) can't be solutions < 1385654261 874654 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x = don't care) < 1385654308 880592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385654362 250180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just put a big "not" around the whole and apply deMorgan. < 1385654381 506316 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1385654458 347517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to that, the complexity of determining if the whole term is satisfiable is linear in the number of "don't care"s < 1385654482 705115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait what < 1385654488 808683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is NP-complete, you know. < 1385654505 769299 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385654526 97588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all known algorithms are exponential. < 1385654540 108764 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1385654561 548658 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider exact 3-SAT with 6 Variables < 1385654573 918889 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1385654578 918187 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1385654615 718340 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware that it must be exponential ;) < 1385654655 762342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1385654674 501092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can _prove_ it, you have a million dollars hth) < 1385654690 489260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exponential in the number of "don't care"s < 1385654703 266689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more likely < 1385654784 245083 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory < 1385654952 840710 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385655129 885598 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there should be an algorithm that is exponential in number of subterms < 1385655138 630374 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm < 1385655150 253424 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8^m where m is the Numbers of Terms for 3-SAT < 1385655317 587979 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :7^m actually for 3-SAT < 1385655366 612132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a single subterm is satisfiable in (2^n)-1 ways < 1385655517 640204 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1385655695 667593 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385655721 838534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can have one that is exponential in number of variables, which is no more than 3*subterms < 1385655727 891509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385656537 26364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385656613 668201 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385658041 803093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385660191 792837 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385660567 957071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385661985 251628 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch. the accentèd soup was good, but the place was cold. < 1385663686 460360 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "kuusi palaa" mean? < 1385663716 109915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those things listed in the image? < 1385663766 64288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also see ion's comprehensive explanation. < 1385663785 260426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, "This account's public links are generating too much traffic and have been temporarily disabled!" < 1385663810 272580 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385663901 133726 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it already got linked here, i see < 1385664035 881667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "joke" related to translating "voi äiti, joulukuusi palaa!" to Swedish in an intententionally wrong way; it goes something like "smör mamma, julsex kommer tillbaka!" < 1385664135 807520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1385664179 127426 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :julsex? is that some kind of twisted Santa Fetish? < 1385664230 311909 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be YuleSex < 1385664245 296351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them Swedes collapse en:six and en:sex, probably for some good reason. < 1385664265 411322 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.graficaobscura.com/future/futnotes.html < 1385664267 600724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also itself a subject of much giggling in primary school language lessons.) < 1385664302 176869 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385664312 20202 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i sextuplets < 1385664454 379220 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: “try indenting from right to left” ??? < 1385664477 983928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sextet too, I guess. < 1385664523 969243 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt there is any good reason for using sex for six < 1385664639 365758 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the sex < 1385664642 728331 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty good reason < 1385664653 709860 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily : ANARCHISTS < 1385664740 456348 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchists are a strangely structured bunch... < 1385664796 109489 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except : "Structured programming = slow. " < 1385664803 276069 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY HATE STRUCTURE :o < 1385664824 955225 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ cf. strangely. < 1385664882 29419 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd love to see a modern OS programmed entirely efficiently < 1385664893 509520 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm pretty sure it would cost a million dollars < 1385664896 418037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? "I just want to code, I don't want to abide by any structure. It slows me down." < 1385664944 4914 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they want to code efficiently instead of maintainably < 1385664957 651763 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a nice idea in theory < 1385664970 466890 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't want to be the guy who has to pick up the project later on < 1385665006 926624 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I apply their principles, all I'll achieve is unusable-code-that-only-works-on-my-machine-today. < 1385665007 122783 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, not a nice idea in theory. < 1385665025 489826 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily : But boy will it run smoothly! < 1385665042 417341 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you try to install something and it messes everything up. < 1385665050 329332 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usability means more than 'speed'. < 1385665057 543895 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such are the risks! < 1385665111 952758 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385665118 618061 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no advantage. < 1385665140 828295 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, speed I guess < 1385665162 643624 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you run it for one thing on a dedicated machine, should be fine < 1385665173 241796 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385665183 449155 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're running it for "one thing" you might as well just put that one thing on the hardware. < 1385665186 414239 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that I can't deny. but it's like doing lines of code as if doing lines of coke. instant gratification, but empty. < 1385665186 599292 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABOUT LINEAR TYPING. < 1385665202 290701 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello tswett < 1385665204 364775 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, tswett ! < 1385665206 487708 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware is expensive though! < 1385665212 512739 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ey there. < 1385665213 532131 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh. who changed `ello? < 1385665213 689940 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ey: not found < 1385665221 228848 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily : You say that like it's a bad thing < 1385665222 532712 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess we can't buy a computer then < 1385665231 453111 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /bin/ello < 1385665232 832786 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/ello: No such file or directory < 1385665237 80155 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ello < 1385665238 652628 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ello < 1385665239 596036 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer is probably cheaper than building a dedicated CPU < 1385665244 331812 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste /hackenv/bin/ello < 1385665247 98427 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//hackenv/bin/ello < 1385665256 106312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello tsetto < 1385665256 551015 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'on hardware' i meant just putting it on a regular cpu, but without an os < 1385665258 315876 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsettello < 1385665261 974784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1385665277 36879 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that still software? < 1385665277 573796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello tswett < 1385665279 530198 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettello < 1385665284 795555 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software doesn't mean "on an OS" < 1385665288 23736 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then. < 1385665306 733647 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can put it in a static memory, if that counts? < 1385665315 760414 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but doesn't "on software" mean "on an OS"? < 1385665328 187569 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :software means all that can't be physically kicked around. < 1385665391 902742 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, right. ABOUT LINEAR TYPING. You can make a linear type system out of Haskell's type system just by adding one operator, ~, the dual operator. a with b becomes ~(Either ~a ~b), a par b becomes ~(~a, ~b), bottom becomes ~(), and so on. < 1385665436 260257 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this raises the question, what does ~ mean? It acts suspiciously like (-> e), where "e" is some universally quantified type variable. < 1385665483 460224 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But where do you put the quantifiers? < 1385665501 436373 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the left < 1385665525 771489 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's my problem. I was putting the quantifiers in Zimbabwe. < 1385665545 516733 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zimbabwe is to the left of some places, to be fair. < 1385665558 168335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan can I learn Zimbabwe's quantification? < 1385665558 326267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385665573 16011 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see whether or not Zimbabwe is to my left right now. < 1385665575 246948 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it is. < 1385665604 681566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what are your current approximate coördinates? < 1385665628 941124 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42.9612° N, 85.6557° W < 1385665680 648674 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accurate to within a few tenths of a degree. < 1385665772 48326 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where was I. Oh yeah. < 1385665800 712876 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, all of linear logic's production rules can be translated directly into Haskell, practically unchanged! < 1385665804 135830 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know what will come out. < 1385665806 121524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm sorry it was mushy. they were very crunchy at the beginning of the month. < 1385665935 366897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: don't be sorry, I quite enjoyed it. the sweetness was surprising, though. < 1385665965 901142 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: thanks. for scientific purposes, could you provide me with you body weigh? < 1385666032 263418 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 185 lbs. < 1385666039 405015 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably accurate to within 5 lbs. < 1385666064 754396 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much appreciated. and strangely precise. I am disturbed; this doesn't happen often... < 1385666101 417846 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't usually get body weights accurate to within 5 lbs? < 1385666112 593868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also have people here been enjoying the autogenerated hackernews headlines? they use the same technique as fungot afaict < 1385666112 759568 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: call it " fn" is ( a f)) ( map fnord lst) < 1385666148 583459 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, gimme a few minutes, lemme see how the cut rule translates. < 1385666149 324926 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I get frivolous answers, viz. megaluns. < 1385666158 661633 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? megalun < 1385666160 606609 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :megalun is a chain of a million SCSI devices. FreeFull weighs 482 of them. < 1385666171 586663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you have my coordinates and body weigh? they are less fluctual now < 1385666171 744425 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1385666187 583364 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dang, I never figured out whether or not Zimbabwe is to my left. < 1385666211 204698 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't have your weigh. the coordinates were properly appröximated according to your last known address. < 1385666235 620767 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, I'm pretty sure I would describe Zimbabwe as being on my left. < 1385666240 184711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :righto < 1385666243 127856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahm < 1385666246 768900 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385666251 483468 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385666261 452107 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably near 220lbs? < 1385666295 883647 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll do. < 1385666310 446912 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: michigan? zimbabwe is most definitely to your left. < 1385666329 594844 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on which way I'm facing. < 1385666385 796246 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zimbabwe's leftness is orthogonal to your orientation. < 1385666389 470715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my desk points zimbabwe < 1385666410 508719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zimbabwards < 1385666414 790012 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I disagree. Zimbabwe's leftness is highly dependent on my orientation. < 1385666421 901617 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385666511 540977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "olsner's desk points zimbabwards. it is highly dependent on tswett's michiganic orientation." >wisdom/zimbabwe < 1385666515 729660 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385666522 457720 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385666525 203489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it would only be orthogonal if michigan was antipodal to zimbabwe < 1385666556 524465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385666725 150377 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgello. < 1385666756 578588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sadly, I concur that is not the case. < 1385666760 74221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sgello is a kind of a (virtual?) string instrument? < 1385666821 62270 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello < 1385666879 397736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION strokes Sgeo with a sbow
< 1385666971 942068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's exactly what sgeo was hoping for waking up today < 1385666980 909516 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i need to get myself stroked today" < 1385667056 420814 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping for a computer that doesn't keep struggling with its graphics driver < 1385667078 484079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hoping not to be stroked by something that I don't even know what it is < 1385667117 354232 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looked it up. Apparently, boily is trying to run me over with an SUV? < 1385667172 194713 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1385667183 88649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SBOW < 1385667191 490410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Don't try to play innocent, we know what you did. < 1385667237 812452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin torieux. there's always that chance that unknown words I type already mean something. I guess that just happened, eh? < 1385667257 396568 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I claim not-guilty. < 1385667300 90118 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, how would one realistically stroke somebody else with an SUV? < 1385667671 968741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By driving over them, presumably. < 1385667735 569683 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deny everything. also, Sgeo is a wall. < 1385667774 609592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people are walls, other people are wextras, it's just a fact of life. < 1385667964 464438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's why you should type randomly-chosen 256-bit words < 1385668119 831827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385668205 544190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I 4ediGUdynGUJfQr0rGb582AvRrw6IBZX with you. < 1385668336 349903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1385668348 90106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disgusting < 1385668378 871950 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the cut rule ends up typed like this: < 1385668381 638345 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d -> (b -> t4, g -> t3) -> t) -> ((d', b) -> (g' -> t2) -> t4) -> (d, d') -> (g -> t3, g' -> t2) -> t < 1385668406 295294 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where all those ts are the universally quantified variables. < 1385668975 256953 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each one seems to correspond to a normal variable. t3 obviously corresponds to g, and t2 to g'. Then t4 seems to correspond to b, and t must correspond to d. And that leaves nothing to correspond to d'. < 1385669162 390308 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1385669491 315085 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cut rule thing? < 1385669521 824501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one cut to rule them all, and in the scissors snip them... < 1385669965 721425 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cut elimination should be called stitching. < 1385670030 755017 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chellopumpkin. int-hello. < 1385670285 244328 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385670310 236537 :jochem88!525f6939@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.95.105.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385670330 333944 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome jochem88 < 1385670333 476622 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13jochem88: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1385670366 240713 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385670377 19710 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever asked, the cut rule is from here: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-linear/ < 1385670411 679795 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385670554 599683 :jochem88!525f6939@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.95.105.57 QUIT :Client Quit < 1385670598 840498 :jm__!~jm@a82-95-105-57.adsl.xs4all.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385670871 512597 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techwyse.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/robots-txt1.gif < 1385670951 862426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385671014 350178 :yiyus!1242712427@server1.bouncer4you.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385671275 344682 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385671360 882582 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1385671401 320379 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :relcome jut might be a bit too colourful < 1385671405 632490 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just* < 1385671413 203751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1385671415 747857 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-1.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385671422 288181 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not colourful enough < 1385671435 861655 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385671461 955132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385671468 824277 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-1.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385671529 115309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/set hide_colors on < 1385671849 692981 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-1.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385672555 756102 :jm__!~jm@a82-95-105-57.adsl.xs4all.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385673121 272395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble murgle burgle, that computer with the noisy broken-sounding fan, into which I put a new nice and silent fan, has made the new fan also noisy and broken-sounding, in just a month or three. Must be some kind of a curse. < 1385673203 97901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome FireFly < 1385673205 811312 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06FireFly: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1385673212 248636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, those are the same? < 1385673217 983291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you cast the chicken bones right? < 1385673232 243117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful. < 1385673233 586427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/r*me < 1385673235 395150 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 8 Oct 28 14:16 bin/relcome -> rwelcome \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 12 Sep 25 13:06 bin/resume \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 35 Oct 19 20:40 bin/rwelcome < 1385673235 602796 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone decided the other one broke too much stuff < 1385673243 991757 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`resume < 1385673245 353693 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r�sum� < 1385673251 255242 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stop < 1385673252 490868 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: stop: not found < 1385673256 40871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/resume < 1385673257 380178 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo r�sum� < 1385673283 344473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo resume' > bin/rèsumè; chmod +x bin/rèsumè < 1385673287 78769 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385673514 197409 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l'horreur. < 1385673707 376021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! The non-word-based rainbow welcome is no more? < 1385673735 280689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. I guess there's no accounting for taste. < 1385673736 80674 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed. it was squished away by heretics. < 1385673741 418844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==fizzie < 1385673808 649763 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fizzie == fizzie < 1385673809 530523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `fizzie'Not in scope: `fizzie' < 1385673815 726487 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-94.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385674329 159672 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: PSYCHOSOMATIC CHICKEN! < 1385674330 963735 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385674399 517708 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385674458 499937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385674577 706298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-94.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385674684 872216 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-163-129.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385675590 121108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385675674 301915 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1385677021 852314 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-163-129.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385677137 177422 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-217.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385677571 793389 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385677921 337611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-good < 1385677921 534980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 3h 26m 3s ago: can I learn Zimbabwe's quantification? < 1385678124 184056 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385678143 506329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily the zimbabwean uncertainty principle means you cannot quantify their bmp precisely without causing runaway inflation. < 1385678143 664509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385678451 52166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a "joke" related to translating "voi äiti, joulukuusi palaa!" to Swedish [...] <-- google translate doesn't seem to know that meaning of "voi" < 1385678499 510745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it knows it the other way around. < 1385678610 882209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's listed in the footnotes if you try "voi" alone. < 1385678927 827196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily beuh. who changed `ello? <-- i think you got hit by the tab expansion space issue. < 1385678928 22707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385678933 316925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello tswett < 1385678935 177078 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, tswett ! < 1385678937 201001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello tswett < 1385678938 997606 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettello < 1385678954 257627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello oerjan < 1385678956 59656 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1385678975 577340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello оerjan < 1385678977 514841 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​оerjanello < 1385678989 219105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. flexible command < 1385679000 503895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode оerjan < 1385679002 418681 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+006A LATIN SMALL LETTER J] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] < 1385679006 454604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1385679143 224361 :Sorella`!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 NICK :Sorella < 1385679144 982530 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1385679145 140374 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385679203 211070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unencode [U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] < 1385679204 480338 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unencode: not found < 1385679207 650436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1385679208 359995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uniencode [U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] < 1385679209 557335 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: uniencode: not found < 1385679217 154555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8rego < 1385679311 754209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O < 1385679313 415489 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​о < 1385679435 456590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHЕЕSH < 1385679689 902631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode A < 1385679691 709695 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385679707 992586 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode PILE OF POO < 1385679709 777810 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385679766 286309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an unkown character < 1385679780 800448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the logs
< 1385679787 315415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385679835 18256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the logs. < 1385679846 986334 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have piled up < 1385680111 587570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, those are the same? <-- some people overwrote the old relcome with rwelcome. < 1385680151 173129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually a link. < 1385680167 840731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bad people imo < 1385680197 808668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8rs < 1385680208 726098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely agree. < 1385680263 814985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`resume < 1385680265 277016 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r�sum� < 1385680272 988825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/resume < 1385680274 476825 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo r�sum� < 1385680297 134618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo résumé" >bin/resume < 1385680300 719716 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385680305 539236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`resume < 1385680306 661256 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :résumé < 1385680343 853954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1385680348 740668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you change? < 1385680355 701576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was in latin-1 < 1385680361 225608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's utf-8 < 1385680362 808657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!! < 1385680366 461589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8rs < 1385680373 69404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the old adage: when you résumé, you make a rés out of both you and mé. < 1385680386 590758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rèsumè < 1385680387 959088 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :resume < 1385680397 310204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks fizzie's line encoding. you pass.
< 1385680427 499884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I not only pass, I pass-te. (From your line.) < 1385680437 961841 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode rèsumè < 1385680439 632802 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+00E8 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] [U+0075 LATIN SMALL LETTER U] [U+006D LATIN SMALL LETTER M] [U+00E8 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE] < 1385680440 3693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan-cy < 1385680453 393167 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you appear to possess a grave disorder < 1385680461 947649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :è.é < 1385680533 670050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie also has it, it seems to be turning acute < 1385680536 487922 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does unicode require you to know the code point < 1385680539 141385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♪ when they resume the résumé ♪ < 1385680553 99698 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but is it turning complete? < 1385680559 527612 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all we care about in this channel < 1385680586 381446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we have defined turning tarpits, but have we defined turning completeness < 1385680607 664039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure 2π is turning complete < 1385680653 418014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1385680683 468153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym (4/3)pau right? < 1385680692 199863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is desperately trying to stop pronouncing the j in oerjan like the j in jack.
< 1385680715 695452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oerjack" doesn't sound too shabby. Maybe a bit piratey. < 1385680739 49317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjack the ørrible < 1385680758 120167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ørr < 1385680758 278115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: yarr arr < 1385680768 431059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you disappoint. < 1385680771 820988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the worst thing < 1385680799 294108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any actual difference between the commands? < 1385680802 348765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ϕrjan. < 1385680804 620355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385680810 465540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have two different lists of responses. < 1385680826 659995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or did in the past. Maybe in the new age of mokusism that's different.) < 1385680831 93228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arright. < 1385680844 523627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarrjn < 1385680844 681181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splice the Mainbrace! < 1385680879 133027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who play music loudly are the worst people < 1385680975 310258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, i would say people who do carpentry are just as bad. < 1385680987 885097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385680993 630439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn mainbrace < 1385680994 837672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "mainbrace". < 1385681009 348810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn vambrace < 1385681010 199353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "vambrace" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1385681010 357543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vambrace < 1385681010 357700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: cannon of plate armor protecting the forearm [syn: < 1385681011 532980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : {vambrace}, {lower cannon}] < 1385681012 612903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. < 1385681045 925384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splice_the_mainbrace < 1385681149 62253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has nothing to do with mainframes. *disappoint* < 1385681171 110042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was more interesting than i expected. < 1385681380 688749 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385681457 666739 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaah < 1385681469 62596 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been pressganged into presenting a talk on esolangs < 1385681505 444331 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big of an audience are we talking < 1385681563 902186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well it probably beats joining the navy. < 1385681597 683776 :conehead!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbtvfsvualdwnaza QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1385681656 523687 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, around 6 < 1385681702 756723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cirka sex < 1385681850 75975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: both of my previous messages make slightly more sense if you read the logs.) < 1385681891 637770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only slightly. < 1385681921 554718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was implied. < 1385681963 572212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also explied. < 1385682009 358508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn exply < 1385682010 311341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "exply". < 1385682019 599909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: your dictionary is useless < 1385682094 577173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ex-ply, the euphemism for used toilet paper. < 1385682163 375534 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an app for identifying a tune i whistle? < 1385682230 311858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall hearing one mentioned, although in the context of it not really working. < 1385682238 904188 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1385682256 873923 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385682276 813037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes quintopia can google himself.
< 1385682301 277954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SoundHound claims to do it, IIRC. < 1385682312 107943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i've heard of that < 1385682360 375284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was asking because my googling had failed to turn it up < 1385682373 684464 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385682381 150208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can SoundHound work if I whistle instead of singing or humming? < 1385682383 811272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SoundHound has been designed to work even when you whistle! But please note that the microphones on most mobile devices, including iPhones and Android phones, are very sensitive to whistling. To make sure your whistled search gets the best results, try not to whistle too loud or too close to the microphone: hold the phone at arm's length while whistling, and whistle at only a moderate volume ... < 1385682390 167458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... so that the SoundHound volume bar does not fill up all the way." < 1385682396 130271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, i'm just logically deducing that i don't need to do it. < 1385682405 380325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, it does do humming better. < 1385682446 875547 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I even do a talk on esolangs < 1385682499 51358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Musipedia also does whistling, I believe. < 1385682510 536915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i am sure some finn here did some. not sure if it was fizzie or oklopol. < 1385682533 233825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even another finn. < 1385682536 972868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1385682539 38188 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1385682547 906011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may sing or whistle (the latter might work better)" < 1385682551 273651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that covers all, then. < 1385682593 310804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big question is, does it work for people who cannot carry a tune. < 1385682599 221678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa did some kind of series at the University of Helsinki. < 1385682674 121427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Musipedia also has a keyboard if you can laboriously pick notes. < 1385682750 101002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean tone deaf, i guess. < 1385682771 125779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, unable to tell whether they have selected the right notes. < 1385682787 944212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shazam (the other big name for "mainstream" music search) explicitly does not do singing, I think. < 1385682836 360277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It has a search-by-tapping-a-rhythm option for them. < 1385682902 232685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also a mode where you just say if consecutive notes are higher or lower than their predecessors.) < 1385682980 380569 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? poland < 1385682982 36055 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poland? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385682993 63457 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385683001 28848 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, ... < 1385683015 913890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385683055 976025 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellp < 1385683105 33012 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, ... < 1385683179 648131 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Oerjan < 1385683181 670831 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellOerjan < 1385683192 330485 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Logan < 1385683194 270823 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lellogan < 1385683207 40332 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qué. < 1385683265 999020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Połąnd is a European country. Its population consists of two main ethnicities, the North Połes and the South Połes." >wisdom/poland < 1385683267 399723 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Połąnd is a European country. Its population consists of two main ethnicities, the North Połes and the South Połes." >wisdom/poland < 1385683271 733088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385683275 73674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Połąnd is a European country. Its population consists of two main ethnicities, the North Połes and the South Połes." >wisdom/poland < 1385683278 627350 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385683290 18475 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! You didn't use single quotation marks! < 1385683309 355995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1385683320 985240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? poland < 1385683323 182238 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Połąnd is a European country. Its population consists of two main ethnicities, the North Połes and the South Połes. < 1385683323 907877 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Aren't single quotes awesome? They can't be beat!' < 1385683325 435617 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arent single quotes awesome? They cant be beat! < 1385683334 275262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think no harm was done. < 1385683386 769736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i see a misspelling < 1385683399 504456 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of a command I ran once. Lemme see. < 1385683404 560234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Połąńd is a European country. Its population consists of two main ethnicities, the North Połes and the South Połes." >wisdom/poland < 1385683408 378682 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385683505 601800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Półęś? < 1385683525 289276 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it had either "'"'"'" or '"'"'"' in it. < 1385683555 758773 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The correct way to type either of those is to hold down the apostrophe key for a while, while being very fast and precise with the shift key.) < 1385683634 87440 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '"'"'"'"' "'"'"'"'" < 1385683635 341245 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"'" '"' < 1385683650 315141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither seems to make too much sense, but 'foo'"'"'bar' is common-ish. < 1385683654 920008 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those must have been it. Lemme see. < 1385683682 68232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in some two-levels case. < 1385683754 548667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print repr(repr(repr(repr(repr('"')))))' < 1385683755 875269 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1385683761 154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1385683789 144857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "print repr(repr(repr(repr(repr('"\""')))))" < 1385683790 783586 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'\'\\\'\\\\\\\'\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'\\\\\\\'\\\'\'' < 1385683803 415615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1385683818 628347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you cannot mix both < 1385683823 19783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you < 1385683834 24901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c print "a" 'ha' < 1385683835 526875 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385683842 252088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385683850 537244 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something along these lines: alias man="MANPAGER='col -b | view -c'"'"'"'set ft=man nomod nolist nonu'"'"'"' -' man" < 1385683857 368178 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo alias man="MANPAGER='col -b | view -c'"'"'"'set ft=man nomod nolist nonu'"'"'"' -' man" < 1385683857 655962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print "a" '"'ha'" < 1385683858 563340 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias man=MANPAGER='col -b | view -c'"'set ft=man nomod nolist nonu'"' -' man < 1385683859 57271 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1385683915 328518 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that must have been it. < 1385683981 470174 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The argument to view -c has to be enclosed in quotes. But since I'm putting that into MANPAGER, those quotes have to be quoted. But since I'm making that an alias, *those* quotes have to be quoted. < 1385684062 19242 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, that's a silly way of doing things. < 1385684091 919946 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo alias man="MANPAGER=\"col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist nonu' -\" man" < 1385684093 92631 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias man=MANPAGER="col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist nonu' -" man < 1385684210 754511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385684217 460327 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385684427 142399 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-217.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385684528 725243 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-1.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385684834 725810 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-1.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385684905 910670 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-80.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385685579 314332 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385685675 895565 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-80.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385685720 216153 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.38 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385685838 966189 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385685935 524998 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any implementations of a Unix-like operating system that just run as applications. < 1385686204 542439 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does cygwin count? < 1385686246 188607 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm... I'd say not really. < 1385686402 204982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :User Mode Linux? < 1385686418 652977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi tswett < 1385686420 170595 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tswett < 1385688052 15542 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Hi tswett. Hwett. < 1385688053 402748 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi tswett. Hwett. < 1385688110 751386 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385688124 244967 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hihkq. < 1385688135 830209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385688272 705422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385688310 374045 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385688331 454685 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1385688331 612932 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385691061 964155 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385691662 958432 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385691685 702938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385693009 667825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385693076 1536 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385693490 742540 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385693580 882900 :nooodl!~nooodl@23.157-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385694540 264967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385696831 286036 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385697937 217771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385697977 846161 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385702416 148658 :jm__!~jm@a82-95-105-57.adsl.xs4all.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385703527 68587 :jm__!~jm@a82-95-105-57.adsl.xs4all.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385705076 662454 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385705833 843439 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385707472 516769 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385710303 22697 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385710383 702974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385716642 202606 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385716723 51029 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385716741 930143 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385717016 878073 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385717216 183097 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1385717216 183173 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1385717216 514540 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1385717216 514666 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1385717805 771640 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385718061 588970 :Tefaj!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1385718083 337559 :Tefaj!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1385718083 495391 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1385718086 803902 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1385720109 951857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spectrocable allows for an incredible speed of over 10^54000 bits per second! -- Spectrocable has the bandwidth to allow for the download of the entire Library of Congress in less than half a second, --" < 1385720136 653765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, given the first part, the second part is technically true, but it's kind of an understatement to call that "less than half a second". < 1385720176 851164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is from some utter nonsense at http://www.cyborg.co/spectrocable/ -- there's the usual impossible compression method there, too.) < 1385720290 467904 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That cable sounds perfect for hifists. < 1385720311 873532 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Speed: 1.295 x 10^53802 bits per second / 1.62 x 10^53801 bytes per second” < 1385720319 320078 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They’ll of course be able to hear the difference between the two. < 1385720387 576917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wireless version "allows for a speed of over 10^55000 bits per second! That, in terabits per second, is about 10^54900 terabits per second!" Yeah, I guess that's "about" right, I mean, it's off only by 88 or so orders of magnitude. < 1385720429 749963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess when you're talking about completely ludicrous numbers, there's no particular reason to be consistent. < 1385720592 343361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is funny is that, as far as I can tell, there really was a presentation of these "revolutionary technologies" at some actual "serious" tech thing -- http://techweek.com/losangeles/ -> "click here to view the 2013 schedule" -> Thursday 2pm "making the Internet blazing fast". < 1385720635 393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given the other talks, I guess that it's not *so* out of place.) < 1385720753 977249 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385720915 347652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cyborg.co/shadow/ xD < 1385720941 607676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me a lot of another equally impossible Finnish compression algorithm I've mentioned here too. < 1385720969 966417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too, was just about to come to the market and revolutionize everything. < 1385721014 631879 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually claims to compress any file losslessly? < 1385721026 262549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then nothing happened, and now the guy behind it is doing "Drupal, Concrete5, eZ publish, jQuery, underscore, PhoneGap" at some web shop, which I guess is kind of sad maybe? < 1385721047 622337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's any more or less unbelievable than transfer speeds of 10^55000 bits per second. < 1385721918 244566 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385721924 480952 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl --version < 1385721928 161442 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 61 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2009, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. \ \ Complete documenta < 1385721933 421795 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1385721940 585183 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bots around here with Perl 5.14 or later? < 1385721956 250054 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "$^V\n" < 1385721958 606791 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v5.10.1 < 1385722020 894241 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried codepad.org, but it's even older (5.8) < 1385722250 293928 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385722305 725744 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, anagolf has 14.2 < 1385722427 6656 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385722439 249154 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I think this might actually need 5.16 < 1385722734 615965 :ais523_!93bcc342@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.66 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1385722900 119631 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385723108 816280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385723295 702023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.10! < 1385723395 629194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 ideone's Perl is v5.16.2 if that helps. (Though the point is probably moot by the time you get this.) < 1385723395 786911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385723932 127462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlbot (a lesser fork of buubot) also has perl 5.16.2 right now < 1385724197 843686 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385724238 374122 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, ... < 1385724257 951077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385725154 586290 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I forgot I made a profile on Haskellers.com < 1385725170 133714 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... just < 1385725172 728484 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, fire alarm < 1385725229 21702 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was saying < 1385725253 655405 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... just received an email asking if I want to be a senior software developer < 1385725627 862754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385725657 852888 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385726488 207042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just received an email addressed to "Dr. Prof. [my name]". (I guess they think it's better to err in that direction.) < 1385726521 487347 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Doctor Professor Fizzie < 1385726672 33317 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385727193 843343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, all academic spam does that < 1385727504 647589 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1385727542 557937 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome qlkzy < 1385727545 389959 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02qlkzy: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1385727589 897496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385727687 265264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :herr dr. prof. Taneb, inventor of d-modules < 1385730376 816781 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385730415 644731 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385733646 782625 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385733984 377005 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good creative commons morning! < 1385733992 117838 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1385733992 275760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 15h 30m 48s ago: the zimbabwean uncertainty principle means you cannot quantify their bmp precisely without causing runaway inflation. < 1385733992 275846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 15h 17m 44s ago: beuh. who changed `ello? <-- i think you got hit by the tab expansion space issue. < 1385734078 170890 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan bmp, as in Bone Morphogenetic Proteins or as in Besi Merah Putih? < 1385734078 334704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385734129 21000 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan indeed. tabcompletion is evil. either it three-letter-clashes, or it inserts Spurrious Satanic Spaces. < 1385734129 218552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385734502 297734 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385734505 98781 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1385734505 256640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385734924 931769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How great; I have a broken sshfs mount that I can't seem to fusermount. < 1385734934 690356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fusermount -u, I mean. < 1385734983 10817 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo umount --force /mountpoint? < 1385735018 536179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "sudo" access here. < 1385735042 586141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fusermount: failed to chdir to [REDACTED; parent of mount point]: Permission denied" < 1385735043 272376 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. and I suppose $(which reboot) isn't setuid? < 1385735062 341588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a sysadmin you can berate? < 1385735066 891889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which reboot" is so 90s. < 1385735086 845176 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :systemctl reboot, then? < 1385735087 710598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I can reboot (it goes via DBus and UPower or whatnot), but I don't wanna. < 1385735107 946659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this reminds me of how I somehow managed to get init to ptrace a process < 1385735115 199759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just keep collecting dead sshfs mounts. < 1385735122 61600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that that process couldn't be killed via any means whatsoever, apart from a reboot < 1385735135 875786 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses the '90s, where machines were simple and emitted an nice blue glow...
< 1385735152 431582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, we do have privileges to do "sudo apt-get", so the whole "no root access" is kind of based on a honor system. < 1385735171 646278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the only ways to recover would be to debug init (explicitly allowed), or kill init (possible but kind-of fatal to the system) < 1385735194 900993 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you run arbitrary commands from within apt-get? < 1385735198 43250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure; apt-get isn't dpkg, it only installs from repositories < 1385735209 779377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what access you could get from that would depend on the repository contents < 1385735214 633027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can "sudo apt-get changelog whatever", and then "!" out of less. < 1385735224 141253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha, clever < 1385735228 599839 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1385735232 266914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if someone goes and plugs that hole with a custom pager, I'm pretty sure more can be found; it's not supposed to be secure. < 1385735239 778997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get probably should drop permissions in that case < 1385735264 821643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, out of general principles, but it's not really in the use case. < 1385735313 622153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever tried running aptitude without arguments, btw? < 1385735313 966132 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385735320 474587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually realise that was possible for ages < 1385735331 75622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works even as non-root, albeit in read-only mode < 1385735334 192357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Yes, if by that you mean the usual aptitude UI. < 1385735395 543873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's what I meant < 1385735399 247044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was command-line for years < 1385735419 726901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do have "sudo aptitude" access too; I didn't find an as obvious hole from it, because it doesn't have a spawn-a-shell menu command, and uses its built-in pager for changelogs. < 1385735804 304898 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385736786 723044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sbatch: error: Batch job submission failed: Invalid account or account/partition combination specified" I just can't use that thing right. < 1385737461 835780 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than "[number]" and "[citation needed]", what special things like that can appear in wikipedia text < 1385737720 862336 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[who?] < 1385737751 542589 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[weasel words] < 1385737777 347143 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be loads of them help < 1385737786 302550 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dubious · discuss] < 1385737792 669737 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a category for them < 1385737832 207721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inline_citation_and_verifiability_dispute_templates < 1385737833 591111 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Inline_tags < 1385737877 906133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inline_templates but I suppose that's formatted better. < 1385737915 129970 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385737918 411520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've come across [unbalanced opinion] in any article. < 1385738021 507651 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen that either < 1385738025 158752 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor [contradiction] < 1385738309 723835 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh thanks < 1385738998 124776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385739144 424737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lol < 1385739144 619186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 24m 26s ago: bmp, as in Bone Morphogenetic Proteins or as in Besi Merah Putih? < 1385739144 619382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 23m 35s ago: indeed. tabcompletion is evil. either it three-letter-clashes, or it inserts Spurrious Satanic Spaces. < 1385739177 906227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily bmp as in worst misspelling of gdp ever. < 1385739178 64000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385739244 95691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily it probably has _something_ to do with the abbrevation being bnp in norwegian. < 1385739244 290652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385739486 416778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's some spectrobabble < 1385739792 295316 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385740250 165087 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1385740562 898108 :jm__!~jm@a82-95-105-57.adsl.xs4all.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385740855 782124 :jm__!~jm@a82-95-105-57.adsl.xs4all.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1385741340 470808 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Awkward is cute < 1385742682 140332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that makes much more sense. < 1385742687 289965 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-silent < 1385742687 449494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1385742694 4153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lllll < 1385742694 161997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1385742699 933735 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lol < 1385742700 91614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 58m 42s ago: bmp as in worst misspelling of gdp ever. < 1385742700 91781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 57m 35s ago: it probably has _something_ to do with the abbrevation being bnp in norwegian. < 1385742772 130949 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385743007 110265 :augur_!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385743186 165871 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385744173 710693 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text box has the best scroll bar ever. http://apollo.spaceborn.dk/dsky-sim.html < 1385744258 90103 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh my god < 1385744290 148736 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to actually slam the brake button a few times for it to really stop < 1385744376 343876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once worked for me. < 1385744378 975844 :augur_!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385744447 181941 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i can click the scroll buttons multiple times to scroll faster and then i have to click the stop one multiple times to slow back down < 1385744480 399675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right. fancy. < 1385744522 726407 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385744543 637864 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :function stopscroll() { if (window.moveupvar) clearTimeout(moveupvar); if (window.movedownvar) clearTimeout(movedownvar); } < 1385744591 64922 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assign multiple timeouts to the same variable do they stack...... < 1385744601 712518 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds javascript enough to be true < 1385744772 614161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1385744794 638220 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385745392 412250 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew. I don't think there's any gurantee that the return value of setTimeout is truthy < 1385745451 105784 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK it's just an arbitrary thing that could be passed to clearTimeout to stop it from firing, though numbers are common (at least, I think both SpiderMonkey and V8 use numbers) < 1385746640 956015 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385747470 283478 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1385747746 931081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way that "truthy" has become an actual part of the computer science lexicon (if only in languages with ubiquitous coercion) < 1385747749 459852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, hmm < 1385747786 682009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an article talking about how the only sensible axis on which to classify type systems was static/dynamic, anything else is ambiguous and arbitrary < 1385747810 784079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree, I think the amount of coercion in a language is another axis < 1385748172 459846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… what about an esolang based entirely on casts < 1385748180 785565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which don't roundtrip, so you can do actual calculation < 1385748180 961185 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? < 1385748188 632672 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not PHP then. < 1385748220 984825 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, (int)"4+7" => 11? < 1385748226 998179 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's too easy. < 1385748230 316267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems too easy < 1385748236 154353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385748238 715552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it needs control flow < 1385748247 199019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably via casting things to functions < 1385748255 290810 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like an interpreter... < 1385748270 400800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily < 1385748274 781041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could cast ints to lines of code, for instance < 1385748279 214135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC-style < 1385749011 520389 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385750276 753707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1385750297 446361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 10 GOTO 10? < 1385750309 70402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 10 GOTO (int)x < 1385750317 164760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, (lineno)x < 1385750400 510571 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lineno type. you don't see that one too often... < 1385750470 315141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: gcc adds one to C; it's stored in void* variables and you get it via using unary && on a label < 1385750555 96213 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away at the sight of an unary &&
< 1385751014 363582 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385751016 585370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you call it by dereferencing a void * in a goto. < 1385751074 934931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically it's just a "goto *expression" syntax, and not an instance of the unary *, but still.) < 1385751198 984412 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385751377 246486 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy. < 1385751414 427965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in gcc-bf, _exit in the standard library is implemented as "goto *(void *)0" < 1385751424 345844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which must be one of the weirdest lines of C ever < 1385751529 918962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that abort() ? < 1385751541 912464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, I know, because it's not the same signal < 1385751542 895086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1385751584 391937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: _exit doesn't quite have the same semantics as abort, abort can be handled < 1385751652 685567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it always exits after the handler returns < 1385751665 800813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the handler can longjmp out, though < 1385751788 910814 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does jumping to zero halt? < 1385751815 8173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it falls out of the main loop < 1385751832 66540 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385751843 878783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brainfuck, after all < 1385751856 217028 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is gcc-bf after all < 1385751859 910283 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway* < 1385751882 568259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a gcc backend that targets a lowlevel language that compiles to brainfuck < 1385751889 712191 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385752226 706113 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme gimme < 1385752234 686605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not finished < 1385752245 56039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got fed up trying to impl a 64-bit multiply < 1385752380 577132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: can I get your approximate coördinates, so that I can get the distance between you and ais523? < 1385752386 710527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can help in the multiply < 1385752396 535650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, you asked about perl evaluator bots a few days ago < 1385752411 418360 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Can't you just google them? < 1385752415 17580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perlbot (a less complete fork of buubot) has perl 5.16 via the eval command < 1385752415 205736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: b_jonas: I can send you my source code if you want to continue it, if you like < 1385752430 94540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably only works on a specific version of gcc and newlib which may now be hard to obtain < 1385752431 979588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, < 1385752438 343997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you represent the integers? < 1385752447 799560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: one byte on each tape element < 1385752453 568516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I can't help then < 1385752453 876121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming an 8-bit wrapping tape < 1385752465 136122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not so easily anyway < 1385752468 144321 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: is that you → https://www.facebook.com/roman.muntener ? < 1385752479 97780 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1385752486 95186 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Facebook Account < 1385752494 71490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do only less efficitn formats like binary (addressable only in bits) or zeckendorf representation < 1385752507 639510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bytewise you'll have to read Knuth or something < 1385752510 125888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though wait < 1385752511 376619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1385752513 381372 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :47.69684, 8.63977 < 1385752519 992486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bf, right? < 1385752520 944156 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- my approximate coordinates < 1385752529 24680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you can only increment and decrement the bytes < 1385752533 185571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so efficient < 1385752544 608657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385752561 48553 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: thanks! < 1385752566 280015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :N47 41 48, E8 38 23 that is < 1385752572 400577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bf is too eww < 1385752576 683553 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you prefer this format < 1385752579 10318 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. I wonder where 80.246.50.48 will take me...) < 1385752580 623441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, this is the build system that runs gcc's build system halfway < 1385752590 27031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then runs sed on the generated Makefiles before completing the build < 1385752592 287435 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: any format translatable to this Physical Earth is fine. < 1385752625 385036 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title and buttons: “Verify?” “No”, “Yes”. Description: “Do you not want to restore any of the projects? They cannot be restored later.” http://heh.fi/tmp/audacity-kayttoliittymakukkanen.png < 1385752626 1506 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suprised americans don't have an imperial format for coordinates < 1385752630 389967 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm... < 1385752633 38583 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :earthworms < 1385752666 132853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that zeckendorf thing is a bit riddiculous < 1385752681 156297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how much addition can loop, and don't know how to implement subtraction properly < 1385752688 79362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this tarball is 50MB, but I'll send it to people who want it < 1385752690 371449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes runs of ones. < 1385752693 675827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to analyze it some day < 1385752696 233914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bugs me a bit < 1385752706 741585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, working with gcc was really frustrating < 1385752724 230834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the codepaths that aren't used for x86 are either buggy and untested, or just outright unimplemented < 1385752738 512050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe figure out direct multiplication too, looping on zeckendorf digits instead of binary bits, though that might be very difficult < 1385752826 767603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pervasive languages < 1385752830 18366 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :inteesting < 1385752999 225827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1385753027 671313 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't be able to figure out this zeckendorf thing unless I learn about those tricky things people do to do binary faster these days < 1385753042 905387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like extra bits or strange representations to make it more vectorizable < 1385753057 480459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like fourier transformations? < 1385753062 223819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385753107 315332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that thing where they put a binary number in like base 2**30 but put each digit in 32-bit words to somehow avoid cascading carries < 1385753111 678084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something tricky like that < 1385753128 677832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourier transforms help for really large numbers < 1385753147 365423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the zeckendorf representation the problem is that carries in an addition go both way: down and up < 1385753154 995911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can cascade both ways or something < 1385753156 591916 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crazy < 1385753181 5168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't even prove how to add in guaranteed linear time < 1385753208 78240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem is that it's not particularly easy to multiply two fibonacci numbers, as far as I can see < 1385753223 393764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you don't have to directly multiply < 1385753248 928887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you have to generate the sequence of multiplies of one factor by successive fibonacci numbers < 1385753252 768201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can do by repeated additions < 1385753271 189418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. right. < 1385753272 508139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you know, when you implement multiply in a language that doesn't allow accessing bits, but only does add/subtract/compare < 1385753282 58923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement multiply and even divide in binary on such a system < 1385753350 16107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my zeckendorf add code is in http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=989716 in case you care < 1385753392 421390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only implements the addition in zeckendorf, and then binary built on that < 1385754309 844993 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385755412 990182 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385756434 222544 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Why did you want to calculate the distance? < 1385756973 10569 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385757116 689238 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: your wanted to be gimmeed the gcc-bf compiler. < 1385757232 510715 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385757238 827125 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's that got to do with distance? < 1385757431 107852 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to know if you could walk up to ais523's residence and extirpate the aforesaid compiler from him. < 1385757446 668828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I did say I was planning to give it voluntary < 1385757448 999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that, and I opportunisted the occasion of asking you the The Question.) < 1385757451 630478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :voluntarily < 1385757472 685250 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. I could have wrote mroman_'s epic compiler fetch quest! < 1385759129 275146 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aforesaid < 1385759138 47284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to make fun of my lack of english skills < 1385759171 941513 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although aforesaid I knew < 1385759173 946648 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but extirpate < 1385759175 593033 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1385759206 439869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have gone with wipe out, eradicate or extermine < 1385759231 969169 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :extirpate doesn't even look like an english word < 1385759326 146395 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's totally excrescent < 1385759367 297755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even superexcrescently < 1385759373 988174 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385759440 358290 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from it. I just like to butcher the English language myself. < 1385759452 928903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extirpate is real, although rarely used < 1385759457 30243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck extirpate < 1385759457 272548 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extirpate definition: to destroy completely. < 1385759464 982518 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. and there I was hoping it wouldn't be one. < 1385759468 960201 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1385759474 106994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice dictionary < 1385759475 220976 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385759483 101763 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two times in two. first with sbow, then extirpate. < 1385759499 10667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck waste < 1385759499 414535 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste definition: a sparsely settled or barren region. < 1385759500 647014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: a very rare occurence. ~duck usually finds nothing. < 1385759504 359197 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck to waste < 1385759504 583038 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385759514 314132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck impetus < 1385759514 612824 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impetus definition: a driving force. < 1385759524 420309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck sbow < 1385759524 697859 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385759526 624487 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to invent a word that doesn't exist, dammit! < 1385759531 615105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck INTERCAL < 1385759531 995502 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is an esoteric programming language that was created as a parody by Don Woods and James M. Lyon, two Princeton University students, in 1972. < 1385759535 23672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck forty-two < 1385759535 394190 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385759540 957997 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. ain't gonna bdbvxZfLOCmfKdNH1tg9EidKQqsn2zQHrC4XwQrP72RdkBxE3KrOdvJeZBNKl2yH. < 1385759548 878463 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck 42 < 1385759549 225420 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385759551 197026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("INTERCAL" is my standard search query for testing search engines, btw) < 1385759572 329441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck snobol < 1385759572 721657 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOBOL (StriNg Oriented and symBOlic Language) is a series of computer programming languages developed between 1962 and 1967 at AT&T Bell Laboratories by David J. Farber, Ralph E. Griswold and Ivan P. Polonsky, culminating in SNOBOL4. < 1385759586 159769 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck strongtalk < 1385759586 404587 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongtalk is a Smalltalk environment with optional static typing support. < 1385759592 488591 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't expect that. < 1385759595 464924 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck passerine < 1385759595 671271 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A passerine is a bird of the order Passeriformes, which includes more than half of all bird species. < 1385759606 636969 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck gnatostomata < 1385759606 841403 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385759609 473792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe that the INTERCAL manual is the only place where I've encountered SNOBOL) < 1385759658 566508 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snobol's funny. the string concatenation operator is a space, the regular expressions are actually CFGs, and every line has a goto included. < 1385759672 670623 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck chordate < 1385759672 885197 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1385759673 563599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck onomatopoeia < 1385759673 911367 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :onomatopoeia definition: the naming of a thing or action by a vocal imitation of the sound associated with it (as '''buzz, hiss'''). < 1385759691 758680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your bot's knowledge of phylogenic systematics is worryingly low. < 1385759715 653642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck hylomorphism < 1385759716 8133 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hylomorphism is a philosophical theory developed by Aristotle, which conceives substance as a compound of matter and form. < 1385759728 49175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck entelechy < 1385759728 211990 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the philosophy of Aristotle, the condition of a thing whose essence is fully realized; actuality. < 1385759787 351014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck eschatology < 1385759787 778460 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eschatology definition: a branch of theology concerned with the final events in the history of the world or of humankind. < 1385759805 722458 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I concur. it saddens me. < 1385759819 935910 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's it get the information fro? < 1385759844 908786 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isconwwrahjwetsj JOIN :#esoteric < 1385759891 400425 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: duck duck go. < 1385759925 76422 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AwfulProgrammer: hi! I have this stong urge to `relcome you. were you already `relcomed? < 1385759981 389036 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Safe search blocked some results for chordate." this search engine is worrying, boily. < 1385760012 618915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check if I use safe search... < 1385760028 126128 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just mean, is it turning up sexual chordates or something. < 1385760044 995224 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isconwwrahjwetsj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel welcomed boily < 1385760050 906857 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isconwwrahjwetsj PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1385760059 670638 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot sexual chordate on protozoan action... < 1385760106 90891 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: incidentally, yes, safe search is on. wouldn't want to make this chännel perverteder anymore than what it is. < 1385760145 162161 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :protozoa are hardly monophyletic < 1385760239 364108 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck protozoan < 1385760239 778838 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protozoa are a diverse group of unicellular eukaryotic organisms, many of which are motile. < 1385760279 31566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you a biologist? < 1385760334 875017 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bikeologist. < 1385760405 728883 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical. < 1385760710 841344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385761161 958721 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385762452 18698 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385762649 913482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL you say < 1385762675 631653 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to bing that's a firm that creates oil-burners < 1385762696 851027 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... according to google too < 1385762710 106786 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real intercall on bing is place 4 < 1385762712 519575 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google place 2 < 1385762714 839747 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so google wins . < 1385762898 540017 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385763116 176368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my google bubble, the wikipedia intercal page comes first < 1385763150 123029 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1385763343 499228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the language preference plays a role here; google.de puts said company first < 1385763598 698196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the hl= parameter giving ui language changes a LOT about the order of google hits < 1385763618 584552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I use both hl=hu and hl=en depending on what language of pages I want to find < 1385763932 230189 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup < 1385763934 429700 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. < 1385764036 225594 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1385764038 190927 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385764075 987651 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 　 < 1385764077 738063 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​　? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385764116 792459 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hogy hogy hogy < 1385764118 702817 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :33) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that < 1385764157 523979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "The final frontier." > wisdom/\ < 1385764161 533461 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385764166 636163 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1385764168 324281 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385764180 322885 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating. < 1385764271 152566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385764366 795498 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385764549 738098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385764927 434394 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385765120 795220 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385765160 538983 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-43-113.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385765162 425093 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1385766181 959349 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385766208 905002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385767079 17766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/+MikeStay/posts/Vgz4kMFiyCU < 1385767830 451045 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1385767831 876637 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385767953 744246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: saw that coming from a mile away. < 1385767977 834654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Oj742 are you going to add a long description of smartlock to strategy page? < 1385767977 992258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385768002 727602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? \ < 1385768004 563843 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385768049 556509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hogy < 1385768051 266503 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hogy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385768065 665725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?lambdabot < 1385768067 108749 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?lambdabot: not found < 1385768071 27503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lambdabot < 1385768072 709378 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385768078 423987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1385768080 781493 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1385768127 849777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you hate Roald Dahl < 1385768157 894503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn \ was initially popular as a replacement for the solidus, but inevitably there was a backslash. < 1385768162 956437 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1385768247 30983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn lambdabot is a fully functional bot. just don't ask about @src. < 1385768252 400071 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1385768625 849815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385768633 980159 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385768913 176228 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385768968 601208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: iirc roald dahl is evil or something < 1385769089 531301 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's welsh, there is that < 1385769095 322404 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Danish < 1385769106 212154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Taneb -----###
< 1385769106 625407 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Norwegian, I forget < 1385769109 429261 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's Welsh < 1385769112 505733 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very Welsh < 1385769134 540566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T FORGET AGAIN < 1385769141 552781 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1385769177 756901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr from his wikipedia page that he was pretty evil. < 1385769207 473772 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 933 < 1385769209 64964 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 933: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1385769607 858279 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385769673 873655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385769900 657249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seemed to go rather well < 1385770293 141562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385770443 757627 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385771093 200765 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771565 872203 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771574 955634 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771604 956042 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771791 723914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385773030 998354 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385773748 68529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote olist < 1385773748 262753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: @vote < 1385773752 296422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote olist update < 1385773752 454163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "update" < 1385773753 891739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1385773890 173276 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385773906 664034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result olist < 1385773906 821654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for olist (Open): update=933 < 1385773935 47890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-remove olist < 1385773935 205610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll should be closed before you can remove it. < 1385773938 856249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1385773940 326295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help vote < 1385773940 483969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote Vote for in < 1385773944 11812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list vote < 1385773944 169513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove < 1385773947 395283 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't close it yet! < 1385773952 692207 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone votes for... another option! < 1385773955 708899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-close olist < 1385773955 866605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll "olist" closed. < 1385773959 465799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-remove olist < 1385773959 623379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll "olist" removed. < 1385773963 57666 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo. < 1385773978 677589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a profoundly secure system. < 1385773993 960919 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're destroying democracy < 1385774015 723200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's pollitics for you < 1385774038 363503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's ok the ballot was stuffed anyway < 1385774058 35281 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dynasty-scans.com/system/releases/000/008/952/cw-a-4.png a depiction of shachaf < 1385774082 515632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1385774091 648570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one am i < 1385774105 799893 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the demon thing, obviously, you fascist. < 1385774171 946108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which demon thing < 1385774177 959654 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385774192 674107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what's going on help < 1385774332 380416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Primary duties will be to place and monitor trial carcasses as part of searcher efficiency and carcass removal trials [...] on the Island of Maui.» in CowHub news < 1385774659 467701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an opening for a cow orker, i take. < 1385774800 602333 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385775163 226641 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385775360 28962 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385775521 241941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385783462 134358 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1385786031 326429 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385786489 938240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember ddarius The secret to usable software is not discoverability, not documentation, not consistency; it's preview and undo. < 1385786490 134622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will remember. < 1385786699 949449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385787165 304936 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385787636 738774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385788354 7768 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Wars Downunder http://youtu.be/mhTn8cjm9ZM (the subtitles have a translation to English :-D) < 1385788821 935612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1385788822 93524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike said 3d 11h 3m 31s ago: i don't think opencl c even has provisions for exceptions < 1385788829 151420 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385788893 444146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ion < 1385788899 700289 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1385788956 958588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: regarding your claim that 'nobody in "real life"' cares about gendered language, https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 has about 50 people posting in the space of a few hours to say that they do in fact care < 1385788975 417418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly men, some women, many people with "real names" and geographic locations in their github profiles < 1385789066 608670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played Dungeons&Dragons game on Wednesday; I have almost disabled the prisoner; he is now in a coma. < 1385789094 801399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will you do now? < 1385789183 176390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ensure he is disabled some more, would be the next thing to do. And if the captain gets angry, work around that, too (possibly with illusions). < 1385789200 255413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your illusion < 1385789278 290194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, I don't want to waste it. < 1385789372 562312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly kmc, internet people aren't real < 1385789375 562183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nor are people who disagree with me < 1385789387 309178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that i'm not helping right now < 1385789467 372141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1385789485 499286 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm not real how do you explain my invention of the steam-powered bike gear < 1385789507 677478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i visited https://twitter.com/catcafecalico while I was in Japan < 1385789511 985338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 :3 :3 < 1385789521 965837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like cats < 1385789576 784848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo there should be a pointless cat < 1385789676 930460 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s a catca and what’s fecal ico? < 1385789762 570737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good pull request comments < 1385789766 346115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how there's always that person < 1385789767 842278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1385789773 894449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oof < 1385789779 435301 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Or fifty of “that person”s. < 1385789781 8247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: see that can't happen in Hangul!! best writing system ever < 1385789820 570729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now i want to see korean puns. < 1385789875 791842 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t understand why the world hasn’t just switched to Hangul. < 1385789877 55162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: in this case it looked like there were only a few < 1385789890 899917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "stop wasting your time on this issue!" *ensures that even a trivial fix becomes a multi-hour fight* < 1385789927 466278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's not so great if your language doesn't conform to Korean phonetics < 1385789937 295685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like distinguishing "r" from "l" or "g" from "k", for example < 1385789938 180805 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet fight or fight response < 1385789941 96250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most languages don't. :-( < 1385789951 60634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should invent a writing system to end all writing systems. < 1385789970 560712 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google xkcd standards < 1385789971 150035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/927/ < 1385789971 307812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: xkcd: Standards < 1385790091 359181 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blissymbols < 1385790097 304307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hangul is not a bad system, although you can definitely make up a lot of new kinds, for conlangs and whatever else you like to do; I don't really like the IPA symbols which are racist and inelegant; I would prefer to compose symbols based on if it is dental, approximant, etc, even for impossible combinations, sounds out of human range, simultaneous speech, implied but unspoken sounds, and so on. < 1385790113 24694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Blissymbols is OK too, for meaning rather than sound. < 1385790134 83914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these are perfect though, and probably they cannot really intended to be anyways. < 1385790151 792617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should invent a writing system < 1385790158 729374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and serve documents written in it via gopher < 1385790258 530212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = 기간 미갈읏텔 ?
< 1385790280 109298 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1385790300 615476 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those just normal hangul? my term font is terrible < 1385790311 77323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're copypasted from google translate < 1385790349 659378 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gi gan mi gal eus tel < 1385790361 658482 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creative 'mcallister' i must say < 1385790363 423756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like how "only women actually care about this" and "only men actually care about this" are both arguments against making the change < 1385790387 188375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385790388 810308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure I could serve them by gopher or whatever protocol, although probably if I was making such a thing I should write the METAFONT programs to draw the symbols in such a writing system. < 1385790497 76620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :사캅 벤-기기? no idea how to do "chaf" tbqh < 1385790519 20332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and s/sh didn't seem to be distinguished, based on reading hangul on street signs in japan >_> < 1385790549 839839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah well like I said, l/r and g/k are the same < 1385790551 520599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK, no one really does. < 1385790558 746413 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm just amused < 1385790561 802217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385790589 656798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are g/k the same? < 1385790603 715144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://josefwigren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/full-hangul.jpg has separate g and k < 1385790618 636459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1385790624 906818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorful :) < 1385790630 371835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot about that letter < 1385790638 577048 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the greyed out ones. < 1385790648 720263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forbidden notes < 1385790658 712181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the black keys < 1385790663 390775 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1385790686 65075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i learn hangul < 1385790725 576759 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could learn korean. < 1385790739 345020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a lot more trouble than learning an alphabet < 1385790744 302769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to learn korean < 1385790746 738795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't know how < 1385790751 431687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta get some books or something < 1385790754 218788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :books are a lot of effort < 1385790767 223109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :move to samsung digital city < 1385790795 224477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that it has ᄋ < 1385790811 95074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that poor consonant is disregarded in many languages < 1385790815 992428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ᄋ < 1385790879 53269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew has it, though < 1385790892 763237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is also a vaguely kind of similar system of consonants and vowels < 1385790991 29589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the one that gets transliterated as "ng"? < 1385791006 702771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe I'm mixing things up. < 1385791015 935550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "ng"? < 1385791046 326371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᄋ can also appear as an initial but there it means nothing at all < 1385791077 615190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's the usage I mean. It can appear as non-initial? < 1385791104 955992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nothing at all", not even a glottal stop? < 1385791106 58933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as a final consonant it's "ng" < 1385791123 908181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd. I thought this alphabet was supposed to make sense. :-( < 1385791153 31556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 삼성 "samseong" < 1385791191 102704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they used to be separate but got conflated down the line < 1385791191 459850 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek Tᄋ < 1385791196 28962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1385791204 830234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangul had more letters back when it was supposed to represent all the sounds in Classical Chinese < 1385791225 59396 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much of the phonology of classical chinese do we actually know < 1385791253 965821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you pronounce it as a glottal stop or do you slur syllables together? < 1385791259 294189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know man < 1385791267 235635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ought to learn korean though < 1385791280 29958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not finnish < 1385791295 484916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with no gendered third-person pronouns < 1385791320 327687 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not Zoidberg < 1385791351 199808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i also learn korean < 1385791362 876327 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should all switch to Lojban < 1385791366 79884 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn double korean. < 1385791723 381548 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, i seem unable to get in touch with Simon Marlow. I have sent a message on Google+ and two messages on IRC on different days. < 1385791773 237867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was online in IRC aa few days ago. < 1385791803 858633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a few days ago I mean, uh, earlier today. < 1385791814 252322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you sent IRC messages. < 1385791831 558123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try email? < 1385791863 716831 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll try email next. But one would think Google+ and IRC would, like, work. < 1385791926 691549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was such a thing as a Google+ message. < 1385791963 349230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he prefers Facebook messages. < 1385792017 734794 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you send messages to non-Facebook friends on Facebook, they won’t get notified. They’ll see the message if they happen to check out the obscure “probably spam” place nobody checks. < 1385792056 369468 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Google+ does something similar, but that’s why i tried to contact him on IRC after no response. < 1385792089 406867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can go work at Facebook and then send him an internal message. < 1385792118 367836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps i could become a billionaire, buy Facebook and send him a memo from the boss. < 1385792180 307634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure there are better things to buy at that price < 1385792449 612310 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people abbreviate the Finnish word “eli” (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eli#Finnish) as “l.” That’s like abbreviating “pretty” as “r.” < 1385792483 74226 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of the letter l isn’t “el” either, it’s “äl”, so that doesn’t explain it either. < 1385792503 580861 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why abbreviate a three-letter word? :-P < 1385792537 721810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with "ål" < 1385792556 834553 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1385792565 295665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :en långsträckt fisk med säreget fortplantningsbeteende < 1385792569 714355 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, there’s no å in Finnish < 1385792577 20748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385792617 888159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no l in christmas < 1385792634 58338 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how you pronounce r < 1385792639 709299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :säreget fortplantningsbeteende och uppskattat kött < 1385792651 552901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is noel) < 1385792659 498355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g. joke < 1385792667 322556 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :saturnalia – both r and l! < 1385792783 582134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: do they in finland that russian has n different 's's < 1385792789 582473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some value of n < 1385792797 865398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :say < 1385792807 270971 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you a verb. < 1385792851 46453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some value of finland < 1385793078 327918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#!/usr/bin/env python\n# coding: rot-13\ncevag h"Uryyb, Jbeyq!"\n' > /tmp/whoaaa.py; chmod +x /tmp/whoaaa.py; /tmp/whoaaa.py < 1385793080 168849 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1385793089 63306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to learn enough korean to implement `안녕하세요 anyway < 1385793167 145548 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whoa, dude < 1385793169 335562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has that? < 1385793179 532499 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn’t Haskell have that‽ < 1385793183 386423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Maybe you can implement `안녕하세요 for us? < 1385793246 17861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ghc -pgmF hth < 1385793267 269122 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That’s GHC. :-( < 1385793278 908155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everyone knows haskell is really just ghc" < 1385793283 849379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1385793437 947414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think it should include is some way to convert identifiers containing non-ASCII characters into ASCII < 1385793561 380278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 안녕 = "hello" in 안녕 < 1385793562 407251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello" < 1385793648 266205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, there could be some extension to support a declaration like "\49493\12920\122223" = magic; and then it will treat "magic" as a synonym for the non-ASCII identifier. < 1385793840 749642 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1385794806 961401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in this Dungeons&Dragons game, I did notice a hole in the floor in the bedroom hallway, directly above the prison cell. It is a small hole, but large enough for a coin or leech or small key to fit. Perhaps this key was intended that someone might drop it into this hole? (I am not going to do that, though.) < 1385796049 305998 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385797351 325062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is any cellular automaton a convolution filter followed by a scalar function on each cell? From what I can tell, they are able to be represented in this way; Conway's Game of Life can easily be done like this, for example. < 1385798703 467372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly depends what you mean by "cellular automaton", I expect < 1385798889 915468 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385799247 386607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do *you* mean by "cellular automatic"? < 1385799323 89042 :rdococ_!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem JOIN :#esoteric < 1385799332 724841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what if I make a CA where each cell computes a complicated nonlinear function of its neighbors < 1385799333 605835 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385799342 471451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not fit in your scheme right? < 1385799363 707026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose then it wouldn't, if the number of states isn't finite < 1385799372 988007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are correct about that < 1385799378 149155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it is finite then it still works? < 1385799435 510089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it to (although maybe if something else strange is done, it might not?) < 1385799484 608590 :rdococ_!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem NICK :Halite < 1385799550 365660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the number of states is infinite though, then I would think a convolution followed by a scalar (even if nonlinear) function would still work in *some* cases, but not all < 1385799551 125806 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem QUIT :Changing host < 1385799551 283510 :Halite!uid7873@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1385799551 283645 :Halite!uid7873@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Changing host < 1385799551 283725 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem JOIN :#esoteric < 1385800713 536924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :SUNTORY BOSS is the boss of them all since 1992 | Although maybe if something else strange is done, it might not? | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1385801222 727960 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385801951 207730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While playing backgammon earlier this week, I have noticed that although doubles will give you more moves, it also makes you more likely to get stuck, so there is that counterbalance involved. < 1385802108 14307 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385802455 393978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, even before, noticed how sequent calculus can be considered as a game between two players, the first player who selects a rule and applies all variables, and the second player must select a sequent above the line to continue with. Whoever has no legal moves loses. I think there are also other ways to consider a logic as a game, but I do not know what they are or how they work. Do you know? < 1385802689 359639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common (and useful imo) to view predicate logic as a game between two players, ∃ and ∀ < 1385802711 917821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proof of some sequent then corresponds to a strategy for the first player to be guaranteed to win from such a position. < 1385802718 839866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1385802734 819338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have read about that, but didn't study it much to know much about how such thing is working. < 1385802928 43298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a formal in prenex normal form, then ∃ and ∀ take turns selecting values for their respective variables; ∃ wins (and the formula is true) if they end up at a true propositional statement, ∀ wins (and it's false) if they end up at a false one < 1385802934 882713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's how it goes < 1385802976 638456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not be that useful to view totally abstract logic this way, but thinking about two players has helped me keep straight complicated quantifiers in e.g. definitions of continuity, or VC-dimension, or what have you < 1385803023 657631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I can understand now, how you mean! < 1385803191 444547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall that TQBF / QSAT is PSPACE-complete, so any problem in PSPACE can be phrased as such a game < 1385803217 711235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether or not it useful to view abstract logic in such a way either, however, I have noticed that it can be made up other way around; first make up the game and then the sequent calculus which implements such a game. For example a subtraction game where the first player wins with numbers that aren't divisible by four, encode such a thing in sequent calculus and that is one way to define the logical system where theorems are numbers wh < 1385803234 841016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes you have another player "Nature" who chooses randomly, and then you can talk about the probability of ∀ or ∃ winning < 1385803269 280370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, OK, you can have that too. I didn't think of quite that, but I did think of similar things actually. < 1385803272 108355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are things like interactive proof systems or Arthur-Merlin proofs or zero-knowledge proofs, which are also phrased as games between multiple players, usually with access to randomness and some (possibly differing) bounds on their computational power < 1385803400 142090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero knowledge proofs are so cool < 1385803431 954374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1385803547 460744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what "Arthur-Merlin proofs" means, however. < 1385803563 461337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur%E2%80%93Merlin_protocol < 1385803642 837348 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385803651 722532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice that in the system I have defined, draws may be possible (although I find it is usually useful to consider draws as a win for the second player, or at least draws by repetition, anyways) < 1385803871 865579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I looked at Arthur-Merlin > 1385804717 305879 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804721 416063 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804721 929713 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804744 282280 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804748 397886 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804748 908169 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804764 441966 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804768 550261 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804769 64274 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385804778 546317 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1385804780 59290 :hitchcock.freenode.net NOTICE #esoteric :[freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp < 1385805124 71917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385806119 338193 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385806773 438996 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385807736 427904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no cat cafe in san francisco < 1385808144 369342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I said "put a formal" above i meant "put a formula" < 1385808189 732145 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what is a cat cafe < 1385808262 713117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the best sort of retail establishment there is!!!! < 1385808285 747681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cafe and a bunch of cats live at the cafe and you can pet / play with / snuggle with the cats at the cafe < 1385808531 238890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo get a cat < 1385808555 339726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats different < 1385808556 868304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your house can be a cat cafe and i can visit and pet / play with / snuggle < 1385808677 998705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are the cats. < 1385808705 723260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go to a cat cafe < 1385808736 549089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do cat cafes dispose of cats in evil ways when they get old < 1385808736 992735 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an oscilloscope can be set to display vectors, why do we still use pixels? < 1385808753 487884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a cat cafe in the whole of Finland. < 1385808802 126044 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385808827 320975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM < 1385808831 249921 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ﯹ < 1385808843 162339 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one in England and they are making another < 1385808844 11746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name that long, you'd think it'd be more impressive. < 1385808846 631640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Halite < 1385808852 819395 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they make them in very far away places < 1385808963 445597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have some in Paris, Berlin, and München as well < 1385808978 745463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Budapest < 1385808981 246957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cool places < 1385808983 117812 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are none in York or Hexham < 1385808985 861038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry hexham < 1385809017 264672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest moving to Berlin or Seoul < 1385809028 240143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, Finland is a cool place and doesn't have one < 1385809146 966273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: lots of reasons, one is that LCDs are a lot nicer than CRTs (and OLED displays nicer yet) and they're inherently pixel-oriented < 1385809273 31962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector graphics doesn't really do full color images, shading, etc. < 1385809308 847200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have graphics stacks that mix vector and raster pretty far down the pipeline, but you want something uniform when you actually send graphics to a display device, and pixels make sense there < 1385809339 87107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some old video games did use vector graphics and directly control the deflection of a CRT beam in the manner of an oscilloscope < 1385809351 23186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jmargolin.com/vgens/vgens.htm has an incredible amount of detail on how that works < 1385809396 546805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an original _Asteroids_ game looks absolutely stunning < 1385809452 549404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant bright white CRT with beautiful trails and perfectly smooth lines < 1385809456 861390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrome so there's no shadow mask even < 1385809458 904892 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can and do vector LEDs exist? < 1385809506 309467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ... thinking of laser printers < 1385809530 111318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the objects are drawn by a 10-bit DAC so there's a notional 1024x1024 resolution, which is already very high for 1979, but also I believe that straight lines get smoothly interpolated between those points < 1385809539 26350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory you could also do smooth circles etc. with analog oscillator circuits < 1385809586 61706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: I don't think "vector LEDs" refers to any kind of well-defined thing... you could invent a vector display technology that uses LEDs in some capacity and call it "vector LED", sure, but it would be pretty different from either a CRT or a traditional LED or LCD display < 1385809613 243950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that involves mechanical mirrors. Now I'm sure you can do some fance micromechanics stuff and make it work, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. :) ) < 1385809619 84350 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible? < 1385809629 223666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what possible < 1385809702 495135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pondering how to actually control a beam of laser light in CRT like fashion.
< 1385809725 913302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid photons with their zero electrical charge < 1385809749 282754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(laser printers cheat; they just deflect the beam along a single scan line and rely on the printing drum's rotation for vertical displacement) < 1385809762 988856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-optic_effect < 1385809769 545126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pockels_effect and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_effect < 1385809812 308723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Media Lab used one of these in their "trillion frame per second" camera < 1385809838 937475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even laser printers to have be getting replaced by LED printers, because they take less space and less delicate mechanics; building a row of many LEDs is chepaer. < 1385809849 187292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385809858 248939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice. < 1385809901 847657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/ < 1385809993 641685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, what did I do to that sentence? s/to have be/are/ < 1385809995 49102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not, maybe it was just a material which produces electrons when hit by light, and they deflected those electrostatically < 1385810040 452984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way the idea is to vary the electric field rapidly so that photons coming from a single point end up spread across a linear detector according to the time they arrived, with picosecond resolution < 1385810115 148176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you do that again and again for many points in a scene, illuminated by laser pulses the same way each time < 1385810123 530750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's your "trillion frame per second" movie < 1385810160 342116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.2.3.11/bmi/www.mit.edu/~velten/press/content/pictures/bottle_photo.jpg looks silly. (note the lack of absence of trade marks) < 1385810276 851226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that 1.2.3.11/bmi stuff? < 1385810306 10286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Link didn't work for me with that; worked without.) < 1385810324 867483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a "transparent" proxy that I keep forgetting about. < 1385810343 5435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the correct link is http://www.mit.edu/~velten/press/content/pictures/bottle_photo.jpg < 1385810374 947010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your organization legit own 1.2.3? < 1385810408 611072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent a few summers at the school which owns 129.186.*.* ; that was super confusing < 1385810412 249964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if they got it at a discount < 1385810419 397809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2.3.0/24 was reserved for bogonity, IIRC. < 1385810447 493812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :inetnum: 1.2.3.0 - 1.2.3.255; netname: Debogon-prefix. < 1385810458 173678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385810462 686171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean exactly < 1385810475 158660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's part of APNIC's range, I remember reading about it when they were introducing 1/8. Both the /24's containing 1.1.1.1 and 1.2.3.4 were reserved.) < 1385810494 985862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: certainly not. (it's a mobile ISP, I'm sure they don't really care about RFCs as long as most customers are happy) < 1385810511 355163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are they available for private use in the same manner as 10/8 and 192.168/16? < 1385810514 279956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are happy/don't complain/ < 1385810516 473983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you "not supposed to use them" in some way < 1385810522 521159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not supposed to use them, no. < 1385810529 369482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no clue why they aren't using 10.* < 1385810555 278820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they were already using 10.* for some other internal purpose. < 1385810564 269434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, they do use it; my assigned IP is 10.165.126.240) < 1385810575 941873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm amused that MIT can't get any official IPv6 space because IANA is still pissed off that they own 1/256 of the entire IPv4 space < 1385810652 199308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait ... < 1385810688 442394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that, that is funny. How are they expecting MIT to move off the IPv4 space if they don't even get IPv6 space to migrate to? < 1385810712 111607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know the details, but probably they have to commit to give it back eventually, or something, and MIT is unwilling to do it? < 1385810715 101237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know really < 1385810723 676140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard this second- or third-hand < 1385810758 966431 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a different topic, can a vector image composed of lines be separated into a raster image and the slope of the line at each point on each rasterisation? < 1385810806 729563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: I'm not sure what you mean but it sounds like you want to chop up a single vector image into a grid of many vector images (one per "pixel") and yes, you can do that < 1385810953 924329 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kind of < 1385811234 285637 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, is it also possible to create a perfect zoom system for raster images? < 1385811523 481758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by "perfect zoom system" but probably no < 1385811573 868451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely you can't take a raster photograph and zoom in arbitrarily far < 1385811582 260329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a finite amount of information in the original photograph < 1385811638 603786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your raster image is actually a line drawing, you can try to convert back to a vector image and zoom on that < 1385811649 122067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds relevant: http://null-ptr.blogspot.co.at/2008/06/vector-representation-of-fonts-on-gpu.html (I believe I've even seen a paper with a similar idea somewhere, but I don't remember any details.) < 1385811695 987738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not related to "perfect zooming" but to the previous idea of assigning vector images to pixels) < 1385811757 652314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's all the marching cubes stuff that is also related somehow. < 1385811853 115278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1987. old :) < 1385811981 974467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "meandering triangles" is a cute term. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_squares#Meandering_triangles ) < 1385812229 835506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385812421 278828 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :My battery power is so freaking low < 1385812652 187844 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric : How low can my battery get before my iPad refuses to budge? < 1385812660 206693 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a guess. < 1385812685 190117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could not care less < 1385812788 73692 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-10% so far < 1385812811 32815 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-8% now < 1385812822 563165 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wifi gone < 1385812859 73075 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 10-based bound gone < 1385812879 732428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :please redirect these updates to #esoteric-halites-ipad < 1385812901 269178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or /dev/null < 1385812903 671089 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh haws I'm monologue nag yet again < 1385812917 817527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what all those words are, but yes < 1385812918 40565 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard feeling sad < 1385813771 612217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :…​ < 1385814085 306687 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385814367 550673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮꙮꙮ < 1385814490 304067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙭꙬꙪ < 1385814537 174840 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385814891 51773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⠈⠞ ⠐⠼ ⠵⠂ ⠠⠵ < 1385815019 230634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( how do you produce ⪓ in (La)TeX? ) < 1385815190 847854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice! < 1385815326 764483 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have something to show you on the PC < 1385815372 428933 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem NICK :Halite[tablet] < 1385815418 265478 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385815448 213202 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: use < 1385815566 175337 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I wanted to show you https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpujagd162oos0x/JSB%20File%20format.html -- I made it earlier this year. I'd like a bit of advice on how to make the format vector. < 1385815601 268593 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: don't try to go on it in Internet Explorer < 1385815990 615144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels reminded of http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1994-10-17/
< 1385816028 477570 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1385816069 834843 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1385816076 882006 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make it right now < 1385816091 971910 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, cant find the file I saved < 1385816205 394894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/single-page.html ... that's really stretching the meaning of the word "tiny". < 1385816343 875185 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385816399 504738 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we could mix pixel and vector displays so we can fill while being of high quality? The vector display could override to prevent filling problems. < 1385816448 338009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's why I had this association; defining a vector graphics format is a bottomless pit. it's easy enough to hack something together that supports straight lines and filling with solid colors, but people tend to want gradients, transparency, curves, various line styles, arrows on lines, clipping, and so forth. < 1385816458 311239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Closest I know is \lesseqqgtr from amssymb; that's the ⪋ -- but of course it's not quite the same. (Supplemental Mathematical Operator is very good when it comes to s and slanted -s. < 1385816481 273383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh sorry, that was a rhetorical question. I don't actually need the symbol. :) < 1385816534 910682 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll have to approximate curves :p < 1385817005 993740 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay made it < 1385817030 398260 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3 {\leq \atop \geq} 4$ looks ok to me < 1385817057 680896 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what a profoundly useless symbol?! < 1385817522 946877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: hmm, your \geq is \geqslant? < 1385817558 114854 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, i just didn't consider the slant important < 1385817678 659944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode makes a difference there. < 1385817685 582745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And therefore so should you.) < 1385818026 224886 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385818259 996255 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying arcs though < 1385818275 20819 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1385818772 308896 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :⣶⣀⣶⢀⡤⢤⡀⢲⡆⠐⣶⠀⣠⠤⣄ < 1385818772 538735 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :⠿⠀⠿⠘⠯⠭⠅⠼⠧⠠⠿⠄⠻⠤⠟ < 1385818774 938005 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are cute < 1385818825 281183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the regular 2x2 grid blocks. < 1385818839 825327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▌▌▗ ▐ ▐ ▗ ▟▖▌ ▗ ▖▖▗ < 1385818840 54595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▛▌▛▘▐ ▐ ▌▌ ▐ ▛▖▛▘▛ ▛▘ < 1385818840 54782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▘▘▝▘ ▘ ▘▝ ▘▘▘▝▘▘ ▝▘ < 1385818889 813367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Better resolution with the dots though, that's for sure.) < 1385819012 728623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :braille abuse. < 1385819139 364404 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385819517 822308 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :My standard JSON bitmap file would be .jsb, but now I've made .vjsb < 1385819595 190584 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far an image would contain arrays of the for max,ya,xb,yb, < 1385819604 351248 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Form ax* < 1385819736 464167 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Bitmap [row, row, row, ...] where row is a colour array, vector [[colour, xa, ya, xb, yb], ...] < 1385819917 723594 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/rh5r0wgbikq61va/JSB%20Vector%20format.html it's worth a try < 1385820049 946426 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385820062 574083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :13░█4▀█8░█9░█11░░12░█13░█4░█8▀▀9░█11▀█12░█13░█ < 1385820065 455434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :4░█8░█9░█11▀█12░░13░░4█░8░█9▀▀11░█12▀█13░█4▀█ < 1385820068 585842 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :8░▀9▀▀11░▀12░▀13░░4░░8▀░9░▀11▀▀12░▀13░▀4░▀8░▀ < 1385820182 143476 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Cool. Now make that in JSB vector form using the link I provided. < 1385820522 263012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385820695 859064 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385820947 897688 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385820958 619501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: I can't find anything about that format < 1385820969 866718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you just made it < 1385821011 671051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,0,10,10,0,10,10,0] is a cross? < 1385821096 281826 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[colour,0,0,10,10], [colour,0,10,10,0]] would be the right one, I think < 1385821128 80329 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yep < 1385821148 276954 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actuall < 1385821152 476607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair enough. < 1385821157 651564 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what format is the colour in? < 1385821181 557083 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[colour, "0", "0", "10", "10"], [colour,"0", "10", "10", "0"]] < 1385821188 963755 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour is hex < 1385821206 355099 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385821266 425855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it just draws lines < 1385821271 86121 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far < 1385821280 124584 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt mean I can't change it < 1385821532 165670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["red",0,0,30,30],["red",0,30,30,0],["blue",30,15,34,4],["blue",34,4,45,0],["blue",45,0,56,4],["blue",56,4,60,15],["blue",60,15,56,26],["blue",56,26,45,30],["blue",45,30,34,26],["blue",34,26,30,15]] < 1385821580 912070 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1385821607 758114 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using '[]' instead of '()' ? < 1385821612 588784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :["l"/*line*/,style,x0,y0,x1,y1,x2,y2,...] < 1385821624 587897 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: the thing is read as arrays < 1385821628 419007 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385821630 656231 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an array of arrays < 1385821633 96998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Square brackets hold arrays" < 1385821673 833152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON has no parentheses as far as I know. < 1385821689 117643 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm using json < 1385821695 62269 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385821698 713693 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385821701 228285 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385821709 931864 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great for data types < 1385821745 545062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said I'm happy to read ["l","red",0,30,30,0] as (l 'red 0 30 30 0) :) < 1385821774 641278 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you're using "l" as future syntax to denote that the object is indeed a line and not a curve? < 1385821782 89147 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use "line" for that < 1385821816 404721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not a (filled) polygon, was my idea < 1385821869 484394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the main point was that there should be *some* sort of marker to make the thing extensible. < 1385821934 332087 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will indeed add one as the format expands < 1385821962 214296 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can make an image of a stickman? :D < 1385822077 253193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask this guy? http://www.etch-a-sketchartist.com/etchasketches/ < 1385822094 295264 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha? < 1385822119 130562 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1385822283 862405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gvartwork.com/gvetchedintime/gallery.php -- this guy is better, and still active. < 1385822333 113707 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic < 1385822356 477737 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say arrays seem boring < 1385822448 838000 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1385822579 280579 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shitty stick figure: [["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,0], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 1,5], ["#ffffff", 6,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 3,5, 3,10], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 0,9], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 6,9], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 0,13], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 6,13]] < 1385822759 438851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :white on white. < 1385822759 935746 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ffffff makes it entirely white < 1385822852 904032 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its head is an N even if you do make it #000000 < 1385822870 189124 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this rate I'll have to set bg notation < 1385822909 970007 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k done bg notation < 1385822923 576905 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do [bg, [line], [line], ...] < 1385822946 653614 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. ["#000FFF", ["#ffffff", 1,5, 5,6]] < 1385822947 595273 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :["#000000", ["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,0], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 1,5], ["#ffffff", 6,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 3,5, 3,10], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 0,9], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 6,9], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 0,13], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 6,13]] < 1385822983 200692 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385823002 223223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scaled up: [["#000", 110,100, 160,100], ["#000", 110,100, 110,150], ["#000", 160,100, 160,150], ["#000", 110,150, 160,150], ["#000", 130,150, 130,200], ["#000", 130,160, 100,190], ["#000", 130,160, 160,190], ["#000", 130,200, 100,230], ["#000", 130,200, 160,230]] < 1385823012 66487 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourth line is incorrect nortti < 1385823022 96982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1385823039 844367 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :["#fff", ["#000", 110,100, 160,100], ["#000", 110,100, 110,150], ["#000", 160,100, 160,150], ["#000", 110,150, 160,150], ["#000", 130,150, 130,200], ["#000", 130,160, 100,190], ["#000", 130,160, 160,190], ["#000", 130,200, 100,230], ["#000", 130,200, 160,230]] < 1385823049 999546 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you even trying it? < 1385823086 772373 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you add the bg it works < 1385823121 349701 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: you changed the format :P < 1385823128 709869 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly yeah < 1385823131 788567 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and told you < 1385823136 783595 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do [bg, [line], [line], ...] < 1385823145 720959 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ quote from previously ^^ < 1385823304 371715 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/5940427395184984064 rainbow spiral! < 1385823315 149222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is staring at carry patterns for Zeckenhaus addition ... they look funny.
< 1385823323 957463 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385823325 199831 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :should add a background i guess < 1385823330 65654 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :["black", that] < 1385823364 32909 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cool nooodl < 1385823378 536533 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed to work without onw < 1385823387 194034 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe a line was missed < 1385823416 330979 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep line miss < 1385823436 936893 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385823494 144695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385823523 615891 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385823566 262763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://sprunge.us/WDdd < 1385823716 623279 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated. Now accepts no bg. < 1385823769 363607 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1385823801 250507 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1385823993 294566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bg deal < 1385824167 647285 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What came first, the chicken or the egg?" "The red junglefowl. < 1385824314 510211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: coelurosaurians hth < 1385824407 985026 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good answer. After all, the first chicken was born out of a junglefowl-chicken hybird's egg. < 1385824455 715777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: i visited https://twitter.com/catcafecalico while I was in Japan <-- /me doesn't get whether that is a café for cats or with cats. also, what is with all the turkish trending on twitter? i guess besiktas might refer to the football team. < 1385824465 680497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/020119.html ("Both of you want to buy the last can of dog food. This raises the question, who of you came first?") < 1385824486 162743 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385824504 251612 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate nichtlustig for not working with my custom css < 1385824524 542092 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385824533 853552 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385824567 230141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok http://wandertokyo.com/cat-cafe-calico/ explains in english < 1385824613 763646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your coffee and toxoplasmosis needs. < 1385824645 198480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is probably infected anyway.
< 1385824769 239936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what might be the youngest ancestor of chickens that _didn't_ have eggs.
< 1385824807 202391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably older than vertebrates. < 1385824865 769812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it might have to be just before sex. < 1385824879 377654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something protozoan < 1385825048 223754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: don't look at today's comic hth < 1385825190 451015 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old protozoan times < 1385825198 271717 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we never needed to urinate back then < 1385825200 262458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. the usual. only one in ten of those are funny anyway :) < 1385825220 374977 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... another smiley. < 1385825266 228337 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway oerjan, we don't have eggs how do we multiply < 1385825308 666835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: women have egg cells. < 1385825361 347649 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1385825370 826421 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacteria do too in a way < 1385825375 937972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385825396 520960 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what came first, the bacteria or the egg cell < 1385825414 785030 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacteria divide and conquer < 1385825419 65370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist: the bacteria were the egg cells all along? < 1385825457 86791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a tooth like this after a biking accident http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/131031.html < 1385825482 258630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that means i should hunt down and kill the guy i collided with. or his teeth, maybe. < 1385825501 858487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i was too shocked to remember who it was. < 1385825517 740939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RADICAL TOOTH" hmm :) < 1385825567 580047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently, no tooth symbol in unicode < 1385825621 86361 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find the symbol for radical < 1385825633 712992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :√ < 1385825641 929135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a hieroglyph and you have to know the word for tooth in egyptian to find it. < 1385825721 88194 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a middle egyptian textbook < 1385825724 195867 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shapecatcher.com/ ? < 1385825725 126741 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can check if you want < 1385825749 832771 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately Google Translate doesn't support egyptian < 1385825768 890742 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that is broken atm < 1385825776 314456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait unicode doesn't even use the egyptian word, just a numbering scheme < 1385825780 611866 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see the Gardiner egyptian hieroglyph sign list < 1385825793 840587 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part D, PARTS OF THE HUMAN BODY < 1385825816 736805 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is "lips with teeth" and "two lips and teeth" < 1385825861 62049 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTS OF MAMMALS has jawbone of an ox and tusk < 1385825917 292435 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :又? < 1385825942 96347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 9F6C < 1385825943 714727 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385825950 134573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 龉 < 1385825951 723532 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385825985 133598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 龉 < 1385825986 802554 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+9F89 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-9F89] < 1385825997 241081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a name there either. < 1385826028 57986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition in English: uneven teeth; to disagree < 1385826063 650065 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 齬 < 1385826065 196470 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385826078 34312 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :齬 is definitively 6f6c < 1385826095 271588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 齬 < 1385826097 107080 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+9F6C CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-9F6C] < 1385826110 669159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ... Definition in English: uneven teeth; to disagree < 1385826114 662219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. < 1385826128 713046 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1385826130 255587 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0002 DUNNO] < 1385826134 272414 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol I dunno < 1385826142 554322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of those simplified vs. traditional ones? < 1385826145 503568 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1385826147 251403 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0002 DUNNO] [U+0003 DUNNO] [U+001F DUNNO] [U+001D DUNNO] < 1385826179 22795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: unicode is not magic. only pain. < 1385826220 482604 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Halite < 1385826222 287749 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0048 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] < 1385826246 724337 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48,61,6c,69,74,65 < 1385826260 98521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as far as I can see, one has four lambdas (I suppose those are the teeth?) and the other one has only one. < 1385826274 341949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/131023.html < 1385826406 657233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemmings are a recurring theme. My favourite goes something like "You want me to buy a bicycle just because all your friends have one, too? ..." "... If all your friends were to jump off a bridge, would you also ..." "... Never mind. I'll buy you the bicycle." < 1385826466 980745 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1385826467 171196 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385826468 702405 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385826515 117608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, not a bicycle, just a scooter. http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/020906.html < 1385826537 163758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the bridge is a cliff.) < 1385826705 247806 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well if my family did then I would < 1385826758 894435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: something tells me you might be german < 1385826777 735512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that is interesting. what gave me away? < 1385826794 197705 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i can tell from being one myself ;) < 1385826827 897276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do we have a german inflation here < 1385826830 82977 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385826860 34378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make it sound like it is something bad < 1385826876 871654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if we go by history there'll soon be billions of you < 1385827085 223739 :int-e-19212451!~none@213162068218.public.t-mobile.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1385827095 885897 :int-e-19212451!~none@213162068218.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins at oerjan.
< 1385827098 772355 :int-e-19212451!~none@213162068218.public.t-mobile.at QUIT :Client Quit < 1385827131 209874 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a negative time period before the Big Bang? I've always wondered that < 1385827196 347089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: there's endless speculation? < 1385827263 658157 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is maybe < 1385827264 439656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math breaks down. you can make all kinds of theories. < 1385827273 282068 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it doesn't really break down < 1385827280 579637 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it hinges on some other things < 1385827338 743271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure PETA approves of this http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/130912.html < 1385827409 7729 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PETA is my urine. < 1385827454 158140 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ATEP PETA. < 1385827833 788480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd recommend buying more matching sets http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/130820.html < 1385828132 96348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw I'm not sure whether you're trying to make me feel guilty about linking to that comic, but if so, you're succeeding. < 1385828151 313943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1385828169 542899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. So. A language based on the knappsack problem makes no sense if you have infinite storage < 1385828202 820185 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea would have been, that a value N occupies N cells < 1385828237 79771 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385828264 964603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is boring anyway < 1385828272 778513 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could store N ones < 1385828282 620760 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and N zeroes < 1385828290 747254 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd esseantilly be bitfuck < 1385828298 420895 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo -> boring < 1385828300 708740 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value N could also take log_2(N) cells < 1385828337 832739 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me think that a log_1(N) = N < 1385828375 555382 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1385828386 510773 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second idea is that you have a 2D (or 1D) storage < 1385828393 126176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a value N distorts nearby cells < 1385828403 178250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the higher N, the higher and more cells it distorts < 1385828437 205393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm 256 distorts cell[i +- 1] by 128, cell[i +- 2] by 64 and so on < 1385828453 41091 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also boring, if you have infinite storage < 1385828462 657379 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e just use every 1000iest cell) < 1385828474 673859 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Everything is boring if it has infinite storage. < 1385828496 515667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity is super boring. < 1385828521 574781 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you mean transfinity < 1385828531 532359 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's epic < 1385828579 240266 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that even is. < 1385828612 600599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the stuff that is larger than finite stuff < 1385828613 588119 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number that is less than infinity and more than any finite number < 1385828615 849333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still not infinite? < 1385828621 378098 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple transfinite numbers < 1385828632 116658 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that would work < 1385828632 386951 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely many infact < 1385828642 770394 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not make any sense at all (intuitively) < 1385828643 994688 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's defined as the hyperreal numbers < 1385828648 671780 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1385828651 579420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can something be bigger then finite < 1385828653 577602 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not infinite < 1385828661 999851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when everything that is not infinite, is probably finite < 1385828683 881152 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is that they ARE infinite but they're not always going to be equal another of their kind < 1385828698 20593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1385828700 27928 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. let's say w is a transfinite ordinal. 2w > w. w+1 > w < 1385828711 93438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1385828712 34846 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2*infinity makes no sense < 1385828719 506991 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It avoids infinity + 1 == infinity? < 1385828740 515555 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly infinity because there is a number more than w < 1385828755 961886 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with w you can make an infinitesimal -- lets name it e < 1385828773 8927 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't bother explaining it to me < 1385828777 540803 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't understand it. Seriously. < 1385828788 574414 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385828831 166939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have enough math background to even understand the explanations ;) < 1385828854 851683 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you have computational background though < 1385828880 933731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, no. < 1385828913 908952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the guy who replaces your broken Ethernet Cable < 1385828937 818487 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1385828963 311183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: 2w = w, you mean 2w > w hth < 1385828966 440296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385828969 255150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1385828978 117279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm that kind of computer scientist < 1385828978 792526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Halite[PC]: 2w = w, you mean w2 > w hth < 1385828982 527065 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a scientist at all < 1385829018 775950 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I understand. That's in the surreals. The hyperreals keep communative operations. < 1385829032 778651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not surreals. ordinals. < 1385829048 415277 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thats it I don't like ordinals < 1385829059 83371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1385829106 619187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also 1+w = w) < 1385829114 992303 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying 1+2 = 2 < 1385829123 675966 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2+1 = 1 < 1385829137 668273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it only holds for infinite w. < 1385829143 5050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and precisely then. < 1385829174 980745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2w = w holds for limit ordinals. < 1385829324 674204 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit of {-infinity, ..., x} is x. and that's an infinite set. < 1385829329 926677 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: The only reason I'm here is because I read some paper thingies back when I was a teenager < 1385829333 422398 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm < 1385829333 888329 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus papers < 1385829335 132274 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1385829364 648275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wrote interpreters etc. < 1385829419 24195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: is that supposed to contradict me somehow? < 1385829424 442215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can just refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Omega-exp-omega-labeled.svg then it's all so clear. < 1385829429 895856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are no negative ordinals.) < 1385829476 733839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thank you, i was pondering linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_arithmetic#Cantor_normal_form < 1385829490 378756 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit of {0, 1/w, 2/w, 3/w, ..., 1, 1 + 1/w, 1 + 2/w, ... x} is x < 1385829494 45705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not a picture at all. :/ < 1385829507 14349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: true. < 1385829533 860324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385829554 277745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no(*) idea why Halite[PC] keeps dragging surreals and hyperreals into this. ((*) not true)
< 1385829642 204143 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes. The practice of lieing then admitting. < 1385829673 904304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so practical! < 1385829754 366018 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperreals are pretty neat! < 1385829760 36333 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as DECEPTIVE < 1385830335 951544 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385831144 954694 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385831538 196992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets all surreal
< 1385831570 916961 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an apple for a face < 1385831595 309590 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but I have infinitessimals < 1385832337 744893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385832827 336504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385833314 891191 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385834835 283 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on the search for a book abouth math < 1385834837 773246 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be none. < 1385834863 841668 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one about 17 equations that changed the world < 1385834873 184734 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's at least partially about maths < 1385834882 559815 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is actually an inequality which makes me sad < 1385834898 198877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for one that is ordered in order of discovery < 1385834915 45237 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can aquire math knowledge in the order that makes sense < 1385834918 644787 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385834948 634349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: http://www.math.wustl.edu/~sk/books/newhist.pdf ? :P < 1385834959 597975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: also, the historical order frequently doesn't make sense < 1385834972 354831 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be < 1385834975 288063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@does not make sense < 1385834975 477762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not make sense not available < 1385835033 428967 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you learn math now you get teached stuff like uhm fourier stuff < 1385835040 269512 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't actually know enough < 1385835051 938517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like you're missing something that was invented before that < 1385835101 443802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured learning in historical order should prevent me from stumbling upon anything I don't know the basics of < 1385835104 257518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no seriously. frequently, the simplifying assumptions that make a topic teachable frequently come after the major theorems are discovered in another context < 1385835124 479908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, newton's calculus, which he used to do all that physics stuff < 1385835128 464394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1385835149 425363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the same as leibniz's calculus? < 1385835166 634071 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: leibniz's notation is much better/easier to use < 1385835168 436591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :liebniz's was a bit better < 1385835189 816855 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, neither of them had any kind of rigorous foundation for it < 1385835209 849593 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved significant handwaving < 1385835251 700988 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you put in some non-integrable function and stuff blows up and you don't know why < 1385835282 403719 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they basically didn't know what they were doing, but managed to get it right enough for physics anyway < 1385835347 614621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385835453 678667 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, i definitely wish i'd had more background before being taught fourier < 1385835508 553883 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's pretty common to charge into it as quickly as possible for the benefit of the physicists in the audience < 1385836539 11641 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they had no idea what they were doing < 1385836548 604452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure they contributed a lot to math < 1385837770 822470 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385838876 6009 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PART :#esoteric < 1385838888 594942 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385839134 667560 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the problem with newton's calculus is more that he did all this insane crap with geometry to deal with planets < 1385839147 78429 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, have you tried reading the principia, it's crazy < 1385839696 475632 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of sympathize with where mroman_'s coming from though, not that i'd actually recommend a fully historical order. mroman_, have you heard of "Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning"? it's supposed to be real good < 1385839923 518470 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1385840033 883337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385840359 392412 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385841539 873885 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a computer algebra system. Wish me luck. < 1385841708 500110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What about Leibnitz's calculus? < 1385841863 604477 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1385841934 114292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it compare to Newtons? I've never actually looked at the work Newton and Leibnitz did on calculus < 1385841951 687875 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me. i don't even know what he was using it for. < 1385841961 613106 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only read part of newton's because historians seem to like it. < 1385841971 384282 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would guess that they're both near incomprehensible to my modern eyes, though! < 1385842028 808190 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it probably took some time to settle on notation < 1385842065 479754 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not notation. the general forms of arguments. < 1385842088 994559 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like, practically before algebraicization. < 1385842111 374667 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't just doing the same kind of math in a different alphabet, is what i'm sayin. < 1385842142 876610 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this reminds me, did you know that the derivative was invented by pierre de fermat? < 1385842227 631922 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing everything out in words is notation too =P < 1385842245 122650 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fermat was a smart guy, no doubt < 1385842312 812571 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're different words, i'm telling you. < 1385842398 318833 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably latin < 1385842822 821930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843036 947073 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1385843291 88122 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843293 797378 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843296 614990 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the formulae for area of a circle are also related to other integral-based formulas in that they describe the 'inside' of a semantic or geometrical object? < 1385843322 475919 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't learn that in calculus? < 1385843349 591049 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I self-taught myself. < 1385843363 523838 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did so many problems about finding the volumes of ridiculous shapes, you don't even know < 1385843365 662496 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should still have the knowledge of a child in Year 6. < 1385843395 760466 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the volume of gabriel's horn < 1385843435 987016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385843473 773123 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843487 719500 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a multiple of e < 1385843496 774746 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~= 2.718281828459045 < 1385843502 757602 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385843551 103904 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1385843553 987496 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you don't need to give me or anyone digits of e really < 1385843555 312893 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843563 84484 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity < 1385843565 81598 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2 < 1385843569 985812 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ... -zzz- < 1385843621 344284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider e much more beautiful than pi < 1385843642 945552 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider the dalles more beautiful than stupid numbers WHAT NOW NERD < 1385843704 569992 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385843784 862553 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a train across the entire horizon. < 1385843797 21183 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: same < 1385843807 352949 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I absolutely hate pi < 1385843821 774580 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to take some lunch money < 1385843863 643367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer to use 2pi as a constant? (When this is done, it is called tau, and I have used it in some programs such as a Csound extension which does this) < 1385843885 946454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385843894 27614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tau is stupid and bad and smarmy < 1385843900 778137 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just write 'half the circumference of the unit circle' like gauss < 1385843902 784355 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as god intended < 1385843919 250221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Taneb said ... in @tell < 1385843945 331129 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 4/3 pau? < 1385843954 889032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maybe, but it is sometimes useful (other times, using pi is useful; other times neither is useful) < 1385843970 364406 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basedgauss < 1385843984 342650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do think e seems a more beautiful than pi, too, I suppose < 1385844009 355825 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, give me your lunch money or i'll stuff you in a locker < 1385844022 837488 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why is it 'smarmy'? Does that mean it is 'elegant'? < 1385844030 840750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly < 1385844052 643646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'elegant', as interpreted by people whose concept of elegance comes from looking at pictures of fractals and videos by vi hart < 1385844083 828915 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecks dee < 1385844122 402067 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like vi hart :/ < 1385844149 560927 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do too < 1385844152 260995 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND YET < 1385844155 933272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked 2pi before it was cool and/or called tau < 1385844165 712900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember http://www.math.utah.edu/~palais/pi.pdf < 1385844172 887749 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385844185 872686 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo pi², comes up all the time!! in zeta functions!! < 1385844191 865060 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who doesn't like zeta functions < 1385844192 924838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you cannot call a C macro "2pi" so I called it TAU < 1385844208 43847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can call it pi2 < 1385844218 720137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the way that pdf draws it is a pi with 3 legs < 1385844223 406705 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be confused with Bike's Cool Constant, shachaf < 1385844232 912775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's good when it doesn't even have a unicode codepoint < 1385844233 102340 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1292/ < 1385844239 26574 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still needs a symbol, though < 1385844250 593648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suppose if you want that symbol you could make a METAFONT program to draw it < 1385844254 516161 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: zeta is based on integral, and integral brings a half factor < 1385844266 908933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need a Unicode codepoint < 1385844270 144794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, it can just go away and be gone < 1385844273 632434 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA A HALF FACTOR < 1385844288 53706 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep you heard < 1385844288 244026 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why? :D < 1385844361 150541 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the "everybody is equally fucked up" approach < 1385844363 454848 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally support tau. You can't have a constant which is half of some important value. It has to be that value. < 1385844370 101312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: Weren't you banned? < 1385844378 964763 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my glob. < 1385844384 889384 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: tau^2/4 sucks < 1385844394 397313 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was a temp ban or something < 1385844396 185836 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: (tau/2)^2 rocks < 1385844401 912369 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not < 1385844405 509399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it was just #haskell and related channels. < 1385844417 495963 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just #haskell < 1385844425 7545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: you can't have a constant which is double of some important value < 1385844428 785265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And -lens and others. < 1385844436 101643 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: unfortunately pi is not an important value < 1385844442 705150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For sending "creative" spam to the people who banned you. < 1385844480 873989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1385844532 805518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pau is very handy for spheres, 2pau is much better than 4/3 pi or 2/3 tau! < 1385844550 840991 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1385844553 392449 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pau' < 1385844708 616601 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk why all the mathematicians don't support tau < 1385844734 727984 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385844754 133624 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason to keep pi, all of the arguments for pi are just rewritten points that tau argued successifully against < 1385844762 312623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no reason to adapt tau :p < 1385844812 750808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1385844881 257948 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ... < 1385845199 995137 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385845277 534768 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385845769 41876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i was playing xcom the other day and there was some random npc called van doorn < 1385845777 888289 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1385845807 857054 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 48÷2(9+3) < 1385845819 30069 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, 2 < 1385845822 559780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a trick question? < 1385845823 495718 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what did van doorn do < 1385845835 588732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like maybe a check to see how people will interpret associativity < 1385845840 952584 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's just about as interesting as tau. < 1385845844 152295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my answer is, "2 is not a function" < 1385845850 938132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, 2 is a function < 1385845852 428201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385845861 853381 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good function < 1385845872 67301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's \f -> f . f < 1385845880 318064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f -> f . f < 1385845880 507554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :join (.) < 1385845883 110671 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good. < 1385845914 480831 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose 9 is the ninth power of a function, and so on? < 1385845934 352193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sat around on a burning bridge mostly < 1385845944 762521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1385845958 797987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how you do numbers in, say, Underload or Unlambda < 1385845963 80652 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the expression still has problems, then. < 1385846065 991732 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is not a function unless there is a function instance for Num < 1385846094 84855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case the answer is 24 < 1385846099 33306 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're interpreting the other numerals as functions as well, freefull. < 1385846116 77793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 9+3 is the twelth-power function < 1385846125 860412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2 is that function composed with itself < 1385846135 164832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, umm, 144? < 1385846159 47460 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect 9+3 to be the same as 12, even if 9 and 3 are functions < 1385846176 552858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385846203 950424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+b is defined as a(succ)(b) < 1385846249 693201 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly + should just be succ so you don't need to define that. < 1385846307 132786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: except that then it'd become nofix rather than infix < 1385846323 922580 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as god intended. < 1385846325 102556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… that sounds like an esolang idea < 1385846336 233298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the operators are nofix, just values < 1385846341 729432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the data are infix, postfix, etc. < 1385846761 273531 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385846843 734357 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385846938 897240 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385847401 665844 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/wiki/Projects:Hammer_and_Tongs oh, neat. < 1385847836 213878 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385848063 952726 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 2 is \f → f.f and 1 is id, what is 0? < 1385848084 408687 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy, 0 < 1385848097 809357 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385848136 305905 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: \f -> id, probably < 1385848161 531933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385848248 966458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly* < 1385848288 233772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 0 is \f -> id < 1385848299 530299 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense I suppose < 1385848303 162941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1385848390 155066 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385848450 823279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just representing n as \f -> f^n < 1385848519 310062 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385848547 684039 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of hard when you try to get negatives, eh < 1385848560 700265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise for the bicycle < 1385848589 169123 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :busycle < 1385848589 474553 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why? < 1385848598 797825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that inhabitants of the type (forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> a) exactly correspond to the naturals. < 1385848614 647310 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 could be \xy.x < 1385848722 52828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or of the type (forall r. (Maybe r -> r) -> r), of course. I.e. Mu Maybe < 1385848731 104280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for mu < 1385848756 488585 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu Shachaf < 1385848790 117251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muion < 1385848793 323122 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sum with 1 right? < 1385848797 984771 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\xy.x)(succ)(\x.x) => (\y.succ)(\x.x) => succ < 1385849165 301310 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385849570 491920 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385850006 433594 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, is there a theorem that says that all TC things have like < 1385850009 407442 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five THINGS < 1385850030 488839 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's one that the smallest Turing machines have 2 states, 3 symbols or vice versa < 1385850057 942571 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical combinators have 3 symbols, and two rules < 1385850078 546682 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC has three symbols, and I guess two possible behaviour? < 1385850082 162341 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1385850091 152660 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering if there's an overall rule for that < 1385850219 230497 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385850336 802137 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385850426 887417 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385850435 975763 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no < 1385850478 96272 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'll have to remember that next time i need to be discordian. < 1385850515 367042 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all all algorithms can be defined by a set of symbol, a grammar and transformation rules < 1385850530 905656 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you might be able to put limits on it < 1385850539 785533 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically 'things' isn't something you can generalize across. < 1385850638 135615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have five things am i tc < 1385850670 550560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. < 1385850682 784117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you are clearly a finite state automaton < 1385850692 79810 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 99 problems but turing completeness isn't one of them < 1385850713 709697 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ninety-nine problems and it's probably possible to reduce about half of them to the halting problem. < 1385850794 196919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got 99 problems but an STD ain't one < 1385851125 493716 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385851193 408604 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385851665 958706 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like the joyent response. < 1385851920 709580 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't help but laugh at 'consider yourself chided' < 1385852051 708013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385852058 172606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"God, this is so sad. This is the smallest amount of power I've ever seen go to someone's head." < 1385852136 216351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they never watched the green mile < 1385852138 412243 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also glad i'm getting this from someone who calls themselves 'wizandrist' < 1385852139 728208 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-200.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385852139 917639 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-200.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385852139 917778 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385852455 315762 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'd say 98 problems are reducible < 1385852478 892237 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my problems is to count exactly how many of the problems are reducible to the halting problem. < 1385852491 309687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the 99th one, you can't figure out if the algorithm for creating an algorithm will ever halt < 1385852532 631814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's generally undecidable whether problems reduce to the halting problem? < 1385852624 781603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any TNT string can be a halting problem for an oracle machine, I think. < 1385852707 72156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you state your problem in TNT form in the first place though? < 1385852741 653864 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385852751 616030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First to convert all of "forall" into "exists" (using the logical negation operators in order to do so), and then, to try them until one number succeeds the check. < 1385852772 91673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Perhaps not; what is your problem anyways? < 1385852788 339653 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to win at life < 1385852797 205098 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with brawndo < 1385852894 881212 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1385852899 820763 :Bike_!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385853350 773970 :Bike_!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385853528 137965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385853840 747766 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram sounds like an esolanger with too much money and power < 1385853892 629612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power." >wisdom/wolfram < 1385853896 769349 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385853906 355935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW IT'S OFFICIAL < 1385853910 304687 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1385853927 380727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i apologize to all those who don't want to be in the same category as him.) < 1385853928 374779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should have mentioned the source < 1385853946 978263 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stephen Wolfrom is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him." < 1385853950 331086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different sort of esolanging < 1385853961 319484 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolanging... < 1385853965 851534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok Taneb convinced me. < 1385853975 366466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him." >wisdom/wolfram < 1385853979 457573 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385853986 684584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1385853988 867666 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, and Go. < 1385854019 604960 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? automatic squirrel feeders < 1385854021 492266 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic squirrel feeders? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854023 978859 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385854036 238635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/torus,/torus, Stephen Wolfram,/' wisdom/tanebventions < 1385854037 699550 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/tanebventions: No such file or directory < 1385854042 106015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385854045 154013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/torus,/torus, Stephen Wolfram,/' wisdom/tanebvention < 1385854048 931718 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854082 864627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wisdom/{stephen ,}wolfram < 1385854084 2782 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go? wtf? < 1385854086 859703 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854092 198301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854093 925300 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854095 692802 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Go < 1385854096 276313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385854097 440256 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1385854101 288115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1385854103 449247 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854124 610530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385854135 800216 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even < 1385854138 885995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854140 768768 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/wolfram < 1385854161 360108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wisdom/{,"stephen "}wolfram < 1385854164 851514 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `wisdom/stephen wolfram': Not a directory < 1385854185 933494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what does that expand to < 1385854206 500306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo wisdom/{,"stephen "}wolfram < 1385854207 940096 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/wolfram wisdom/stephen wolfram < 1385854235 788024 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them" > wisdom/automatic\ squirrel\ feeders # i got that wrong didn't i < 1385854237 168725 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them" > wisdom/automatic\ squirrel\ feeders # i got that wrong didn't i < 1385854242 114717 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them" > wisdom/automatic\ squirrel\ feeders # i got that wrong didn't i < 1385854246 195435 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854247 754963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385854256 570351 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? automatic squirrel feeders < 1385854258 696233 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them < 1385854267 366955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wolfram wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854268 898022 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `wisdom/stephen wolfram': Not a directory < 1385854282 295383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ln < 1385854283 424804 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ln < 1385854303 206495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854304 854186 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*wolfram: No such file or directory < 1385854308 373766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854309 956941 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory \ wisdom/wolfram < 1385854320 574931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385854326 706896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1385854328 673320 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854334 155393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854335 255836 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i like the automatic squirrel feeders < 1385854335 961077 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854342 420952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch wisdom/"cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory" < 1385854343 780501 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch: cannot touch `wisdom/cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory': No such file or directory < 1385854367 95148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l wisdom < 1385854368 703481 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1385854375 654523 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch this < 1385854378 741376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -d wisdom < 1385854379 781361 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854380 35641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854381 194435 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf instead. < 1385854381 519922 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/"stephen wolfram": No such file or directory < 1385854383 49305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385854389 223778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854390 925089 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory < 1385854397 638917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854400 137347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, this ls is broken < 1385854402 129645 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854406 737959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -d specifically doesn't list the contents of a directory < 1385854409 200863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the directory itself < 1385854419 412087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should remove that ls anyways < 1385854431 756433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/ste* < 1385854432 293388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first few files aren't named after nicks, for one thing < 1385854433 499781 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/ste*: No such file or directory < 1385854447 29837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a point, although i don't like it. < 1385854500 458856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wolfram wisdom/"stephen wolfram"; ? "stephen wolfram" < 1385854503 819981 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `wisdom/stephen wolfram': File exists \ bash: -: command not found < 1385854514 595786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1385854524 257319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i getting the order wrong or something < 1385854590 722119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -T -s wolfram wisdom/"stephen wolfram"; ? "stephen wolfram" < 1385854592 645013 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `wisdom/stephen wolfram': File exists \ bash: -: command not found < 1385854592 834906 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :File exists means your rm doesn't seem to have worked < 1385854598 33957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385854606 417165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854606 609677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854607 902822 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*wolfram: No such file or directory < 1385854608 445164 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854609 671976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try /bin/ls instead of ls if you need to I suppose < 1385854614 820243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854616 666118 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/stephen wolfram \ wisdom/wolfram < 1385854622 47210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ls -d wisdom < 1385854622 236637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1385854623 693976 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom < 1385854630 603791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1385854632 416221 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854639 796841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it works? < 1385854646 272340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854648 156982 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 7 Nov 30 23:35 wisdom/stephen wolfram -> wolfram \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385854650 887378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? run rm -f "wisdom/stephen wolfram" < 1385854652 693223 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run rm -f "wisdom/stephen wolfram"? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854653 835740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1385854657 924911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -f "wisdom/stephen wolfram" < 1385854661 349240 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854668 145462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854670 135447 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854675 738837 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There you go < 1385854689 725405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bc < 1385854691 879815 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc ௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵ < 1385854698 333787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "There you go, I broke it for you"? < 1385854721 516952 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's been trying to delete it < 1385854765 316720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: To create a symlink, which based on the last ls was already there. < 1385854801 291736 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, didn't notice that < 1385854841 434341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wisdom/wolfram "wisdom/stephen wolfram" && echo "success" < 1385854845 231980 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `wisdom/stephen wolfram': Not a directory < 1385854899 902920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think you just generated the wrong symlink again. < 1385854903 34676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854904 900298 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 14 Nov 30 23:40 wisdom/stephen wolfram -> wisdom/wolfram \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385854920 884975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's supposed to point at "wolfram", not "wisdom/wolfram".) < 1385854928 691578 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right < 1385854940 23460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1385854942 688309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that since it errored it wouldn't make a symlink though < 1385854956 177430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake's symlink command has a more sensible argument pattern < 1385854961 731707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1385854962 963662 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1385854963 647919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give the source and destination relative to . < 1385854972 991183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it automatically works out what should be put in the symlink < 1385854974 44761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ls -l wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854975 437064 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385854981 65109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wolfram "wisdom/stephen wolfram" < 1385854982 325094 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854989 561222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854991 406617 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854994 409745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1385855001 177372 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan saves the day < 1385855007 997263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Much ado about a Wolfram. < 1385855009 746017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea why that didn't seem to work the first time i did it. < 1385855019 356325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the usual, isn't it < 1385855130 122066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1385855153 873083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/"automatic squirrel feeder"{s,} < 1385855157 632108 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385855158 204381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1385855214 984732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/"automatic squirrel feeder" < 1385855218 760041 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385855226 325492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? automatic squirrel feeders < 1385855228 459335 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them. < 1385855334 86483 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented them." "wisdom/*" | wc -l < 1385855335 715633 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/*: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1385855343 804191 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented them." wisdom/* | wc -l < 1385855347 234858 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory \ 3 < 1385855353 349019 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1385855376 484994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with this not a directory error < 1385855386 571481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/stephen wolfram < 1385855388 194423 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory < 1385855401 515683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385855403 149922 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory < 1385855403 931270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's has magically turned to the wrong symlink again. < 1385855408 639276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/*wolf* < 1385855410 589733 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 14 Nov 30 23:45 wisdom/stephen wolfram -> wisdom/wolfram \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385855410 907641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385855414 725392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385855416 633453 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385855419 982397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up with that. < 1385855421 106773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1385855423 246840 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that happen < 1385855445 585801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever < 1385855484 575552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm "wisdom/stephen wolfram"; cp wisdom/{,"stephen "}wolfram < 1385855485 263378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The repository browser has disapparated oerjan's fixups. < 1385855488 648734 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385855494 10790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385855496 4039 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385855503 221918 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented them." wisdom/* | wc -l < 1385855505 84718 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1385855509 659137 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented" wisdom/* | wc -l < 1385855511 471990 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1385855550 988491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there has been previous warnings that symbolic links don't work well with HackEgo. < 1385855553 557413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -li 'taneb invented' wisdom/* < 1385855554 359099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1385855556 587911 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/automatic squirrel feeder \ wisdom/d-module \ wisdom/stephen wolfram \ wisdom/torus \ wisdom/wolfram < 1385855567 115068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive list. < 1385855573 497687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope he'll put all that in his CV. < 1385855581 893748 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385855587 703011 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb! < 1385855591 287638 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1385855594 531274 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome _46bit < 1385855597 396151 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06_46bit: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1385855617 25956 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric bot welcome colouring as well! < 1385855641 168672 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1385855643 299376 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1385855643 552914 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1385855656 991694 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi < 1385855657 181642 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fnord __theo but i don't like < 1385855660 733301 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1385855660 923158 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1385855713 392642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of _46bit, e's a massive multiplayer online krysz. < 1385855718 864118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ly < 1385855802 458984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i suspect Taneb invented him. < 1385855816 343855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a "TNT string"? < 1385855831 374265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Something Hofstadter made up, I think. < 1385855843 439003 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's a fuse for an explosive < 1385855852 289583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very unsafe text representation format. < 1385855878 233912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be interesting if wisdom factoids were actually scripts in some programming language < 1385855901 248817 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus points for making all the current ones work fine in the new system < 1385855908 653677 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, more seriously, it's a string in Typographical Number Theory < 1385855932 493622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right