< 1385251571 465130 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385251694 976599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/IkUDj < 1385251838 151888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the youtube commenters migrated to imgur < 1385252013 31034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :SUNTORY BOSS is the boss of them all since 1992 | Koirammekokaan ei lennä? :( | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1385252103 450273 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385252246 232223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385252277 897222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a few places calling the real plane with a point at infinity 'projective' (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve#The_group_law ) < 1385252292 466248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not make much sense to me < 1385252296 997330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRESPASSERS W < 1385252456 157790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that article it's the specific point at infinity corresponding to the y axis < 1385252463 451462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :) < 1385252503 68791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the projective plane has a line at infinity, not just a point. < 1385252513 538571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> afk
< 1385252528 433226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is why i was confused < 1385252567 232903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while we're at it: is the surface at infinity of the 3d projective space a 2-sphere or the projective plane?) < 1385252830 803053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1385252884 945451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the projective plane. < 1385252986 719935 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385253016 961814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in homogeneous coordinates, the subspaces at infinity are just the elements that have a fixed coordinate 0, so you cannot normalize it to 1. < 1385253041 373211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the same as the projective space of one lower dimension. < 1385253149 273798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, R^3 embeds into the projective space as (x,y,z,1) and points of the form (x,y,z,0) are the infinite remainder. < 1385253766 179629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, i realised this right after asking < 1385253799 343342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the subspace (x,y,z,0) over the same equivalence relation as the normal projective plane < 1385254116 986703 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385254436 955313 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1385254523 490796 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385254607 798520 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385254934 916658 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on my own eso language, currently looks like this: https://github.com/gigimoi/B2D/blob/master/examples/fibonnaci.b2d < 1385255088 103150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "fibonacci" hth < 1385255198 997972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that would look better if [ and ] swapped meanings in the opposite direction < 1385255347 78965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for years i thought it was fibocanni < 1385255401 504195 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though paradigm was pronounced paradiggum < 1385255426 356616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that also < 1385255501 522543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And perhaps you'd use ⎴ and ⎵ when going up/down too? < 1385255520 546120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, mispronouncing words because you've only read them is a sign of erudition (pretend i mispronounced the word "erudition" here) < 1385255681 708578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see no point in using those little squares < 1385255698 890526 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have pronounce words wrong too due to only reading them, and so have other people, even Feynman was studying biology but never learned it in the class so he mispronounced everything too, and my father said he also mispronounced everything at first; a lot of people do. < 1385255889 849075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ oerjan unidecode ⎴⎵ < 1385255891 943672 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [U+23B4 TOP SQUARE BRACKET] [U+23B5 BOTTOM SQUARE BRACKET] < 1385255933 394672 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385256346 385246 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385256684 404742 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385256697 144308 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385257158 328813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385257297 54194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385258199 102071 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385259237 306370 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385260125 370681 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dancing Imakuni?'s card is much more useful than the ordinary Imakuni?'s card! (The dancing Imakuni?'s card allows you to make your active pokemon card sleeping, confused, paralyzed, or poisoned, according to your choice.) < 1385260281 943510 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yesterday afternoon I played my first session of D&D < 1385260323 302654 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :During which in the first encounter my character got transformed into a walking plot device < 1385260438 184064 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of useful because now the party actually has a reason to keep me alive < 1385260451 325182 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my character is the only nice character in the party) < 1385260487 427419 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ah, OK. Well, now you don't have to defend yourself against attacks they make against you, I suppose. < 1385260502 611983 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I thought it was fun to play a pacifist < 1385260526 656660 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, that is OK if you like to do so! < 1385260538 802111 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it's been a fun constraint for me at least < 1385260554 586278 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rest of the party is a bit annoyed but then again they are all quite combat-oriented < 1385260568 645488 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play combat-oriented though either < 1385260610 133635 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I do not associate a recording of my voice to me at all < 1385260624 970256 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless either I've just said it or there's a picture of me < 1385260681 532241 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1385260719 149675 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is true of some other people too though < 1385260735 788859 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385260737 723291 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I quite like my voice when I don't associate it with me < 1385260739 332431 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my own kind of playing of Dungeons&Dragons game? < 1385260742 911325 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when I do I don't like it < 1385260749 816554 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, can you describe that briefly < 1385260833 121743 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1385260879 567266 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I try to affect the situation rather than making direct attacks and so on (although sometimes I will, the other characters in my party are better at combat); I also like to play monster character. There are various other things too I do, such as strange spells, and I always try to conserve all spells and everything rather than use them, if possible < 1385260901 538251 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to read it to understand (it is a file on my computer, you can download) < 1385260918 45125 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds fun < 1385260940 944962 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is the DM's first game, though, and I want to make it easy for him < 1385260951 386014 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm sticking with his quest < 1385260952 638208 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1385260972 662164 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my game recording: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1385261011 571748 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whenever I update it, I will post a message starting with "`danddreclist" to this channel.) < 1385261105 321297 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight! < 1385261124 306100 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385262109 625039 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-0-86.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1385262902 755789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385262904 347769 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385262947 830748 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1385262951 353963 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385263200 366475 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385263489 262116 :gigimoi!47ddec0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.221.236.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385265554 962302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please help us improve our service by answering a few questions about your experience: * Take the survey * No, I do not wish to take the survey at this time" < 1385265560 835099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like this is a trap. < 1385265605 181868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only winning move is not to play. < 1385265613 793553 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385265953 918420 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could possibly ignore the question if you don't like it, I suppose. < 1385266031 815858 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imakuni?'s card is *not* useless! < 1385266175 359633 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1385266287 643090 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385266840 452241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's with the infinite redirect in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnstone < 1385266860 233652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and in the meanwhile completely ignoring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnstone_(mathematician) < 1385266863 239916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with that < 1385267633 238202 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385267862 786641 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385268116 221649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385268448 479498 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385268462 490321 :Jesin!~Jesin@r226155.res.Lehigh.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1385268615 686547 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385268624 610293 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385269921 452514 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1385271110 350887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385272545 384190 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385272583 820136 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385272584 14657 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385272993 450536 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385273125 314231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385274267 317769 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385274365 712716 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskreddit/comments/1rc44v/i_dont_know_why_people_add_a_question_mark_to_a/ < 1385274421 496975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Because it's fun? < 1385275601 653733 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385275615 633046 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://i.imgur.com/87zBrsJ.jpg < 1385275744 985494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: totally < 1385275777 790462 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey mispronunciation in the logs < 1385275785 759626 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i found out that i've been saying 'array' wrong for presumably years < 1385275786 64308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live right by crescent park < 1385275814 356129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those billionaires, man. somebody gotta do something < 1385275823 441678 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1385275958 589146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live on the east palo alto side of the border, though < 1385275985 957926 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it "uh-ray"? < 1385276004 106376 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1385276004 264198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me the kind of people they want to keep out :'( < 1385276012 218463 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already forgot though < 1385276020 363604 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like i use it in conversation much < 1385276031 770520 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly i explained what an FPGA is to my dad, that was fun < 1385276411 317188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385276740 511125 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385276887 194530 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385277887 820646 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385278191 772607 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385278685 710694 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9aQ7DYCYAAb0fU.jpg < 1385278973 779944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deja vu < 1385279033 372148 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385279097 343831 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.198.28 QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1385280645 841573 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385280833 801868 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385281520 707819 :evalj!~jeval@dsl51B68557.pool.t-online.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385283109 694461 :evalj!~jeval@dsl51B68557.pool.t-online.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385284032 819295 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385284378 101605 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05:55 Sweet, can't used @ as a function name in haskell, but I can use ＠! Thanks. < 1385284382 825460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even < 1385285345 877611 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1385285951 577250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode to the rescue < 1385286436 144302 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385287520 652094 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are no trashcans in british train stations, except in rare cases in the form of clear plastic bags hanging freely (in the hopes that a bomb inside one would be visible, i guess) < 1385287544 13299 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet there is not much litter because britain < 1385287591 221377 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, there are up north < 1385287606 284244 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i never saw one < 1385287610 169046 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Hexham and Newcastle both have bins < 1385287613 224385 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I've used them < 1385287616 469619 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the station) < 1385287620 442415 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, okay < 1385287631 367125 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in new york the MTA can't manage to empty all the trash cans fast enough < 1385287635 63196 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they overflow < 1385287638 155821 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember any in York but I've never had to wait in York < 1385287642 939432 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they've removed the trashcans from some stations < 1385287691 815400 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that people will take their trash outside rather than putting it in an overflowing bin < 1385287717 350207 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems like a parody of government-agency disfunction < 1385287740 170343 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, London once stored bags full of rubbish in giant piles in Leicester Square < 1385287782 723817 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dis/dys/; < 1385287810 419321 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/government-agency/organisational/; < 1385289042 259005 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-95.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385289484 256405 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385291356 656055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask kmc Do people often call you "Kegs"? < 1385291356 813721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385291385 464764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I may have asked about that before.) < 1385291438 855378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385291958 157604 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have spent a lot of time around Keegan and have never ever heard anyone call him Kegs. < 1385292959 35799 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you made fungot, right? < 1385292959 193498 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this was acctully a computer could land by itself-with no one thinks the black guy, the crew. < 1385292978 903524 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me some tips for markov-chain text generation < 1385293063 592717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot's trying to say they created themself < 1385293063 786615 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: nesun dorma in female roles only, i could show you a stack of proof from a sensationalist american tv-shows are not always right' mode. < 1385294672 114197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385294769 708264 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385294888 611799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1385294888 806541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1385294907 358975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1385294941 487053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, I mean, fungot's just a ngram model, generating text from one is borderline trivial. < 1385294941 682690 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're not exactly gonna be relased....what a shame that it was mostly a maze involving a red line as the tail hit the trees or something? < 1385294969 936345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel about fizzie insulting you < 1385294970 94110 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow like 10 mins ago i saw the poseidon go down quick enough. i think most can remeber their first flight" for " habsheim airbus crash" under search and watch the video above, it was < 1385294981 656263 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm having trouble dealing with punctuation < 1385294993 392358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he may not have noticed. < 1385295038 307939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I just preprocess that stuff. The tokens in the model for (foo.) look like POPAREN foo PDOT PCPAREN. < 1385295061 879344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (The Perl version keeps a stack of paired punctuation to ensure it matches, but that's not in the Funge version.) < 1385295089 949342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah stacks are too hard in funge < 1385295118 159451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're free to submit a patch, you know. < 1385295147 463412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1385295147 621284 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1385295151 879098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enough of the YouTubes.) < 1385296068 129781 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp < 1385296076 288565 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some little assembly things with the registers < 1385296083 561948 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let's try to fuck around with the RAM a bit < 1385296086 899906 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addresses and shit < 1385296165 329180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell are you doing? < 1385296574 624432 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning my man < 1385296679 556583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fixed hth < 1385296840 253162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf whoever made the redirect wiped out some stuff. also i don't see how it was infinite. < 1385296840 411087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385296881 801692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf you might learn to read wikipedia history diffs hth < 1385296881 959572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385297227 936277 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385297813 529760 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385297833 278199 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1385297845 835896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x @! y = var $ x++': '++y in "myname" @! "yes, it's true" < 1385297846 653236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:24: parse error on input `:' < 1385297849 836755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385297858 641808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x @! y = var $ x++": "++y in "myname" @! "yes, it's true" < 1385297859 553943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname: yes, it's true < 1385297923 921197 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is var for? < 1385297927 661429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: myname: you two have to battle it out in a nick deathmatch. < 1385297947 99365 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which two? < 1385297950 350007 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385297952 362933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385297957 60678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: removing quotes. technically it's some symbol representation thing. < 1385297972 727310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t var < 1385297973 390226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Expr < 1385297985 33167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just Expr < 1385298004 912758 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just make your client complete to the right one < 1385298061 87143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (+) . map var $ cycle ["myname","myndzi"] < 1385298062 7029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [myname,myname + myndzi,myname + myndzi + myname,myname + myndzi + myname +... < 1385298091 384731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it doesn't do so until the right one speaks < 1385298238 533023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (var "myname" +) < 1385298239 395723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (mynam... < 1385298246 585127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely lazy < 1385298253 978116 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385298508 137326 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385299407 783034 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385299819 397441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385300783 290970 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385301185 351457 :evalj!~jeval@BC064076.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385301897 404511 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385301937 150185 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385301937 307876 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385302940 650292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr "meow" < 1385302941 470452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1385302941 628270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : w... < 1385303136 31966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. The (DS3) gamepad has stopped working in Windows again, after the 8.1 upgrade. < 1385303153 460029 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385304370 871674 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385305220 806661 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385305267 442639 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1385305743 533045 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385306042 155595 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385306092 195155 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385306116 515848 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1385306272 267805 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385307316 970397 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385307723 160333 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385308682 908222 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385308883 233951 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385311014 35879 :Jesin!~Jesin@r226155.res.Lehigh.EDU QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385311449 130377 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385312349 870067 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385312527 839471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385313448 477363 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385313468 466824 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314531 152178 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385314557 199162 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314600 266529 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385314600 462404 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314909 385096 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385314913 324666 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385316049 528236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385316199 306245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385316355 123 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385316589 905556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385316974 544509 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385316994 444245 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385317037 157909 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-156.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385317037 315876 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385317489 405256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385319321 276090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstone_(surname) though < 1385319605 843954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, maybe a few people in high school....... why < 1385319717 128509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385319779 733336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t expr < 1385319780 356543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr -> Expr < 1385319829 318656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: expr is like a type restriction of id, to use when the usual Expr functions are so polymorphic that you get error messages like these: < 1385319833 138872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f x < 1385319834 190526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr a0) < 1385319834 358578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1385319839 321248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr $ f x < 1385319840 255095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f x < 1385319901 654761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix f < 1385319903 133443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr a0) < 1385319903 291402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1385319909 25607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (expr . f) < 1385319909 950915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (... < 1385319941 439861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell FreeFull see logs. < 1385319941 597663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385320033 330562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f (expr . g . expr) x :: Expr < 1385320034 150487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1385320034 308164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.... < 1385320039 609962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wat < 1385320055 561074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that might be a problem. < 1385320169 932014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f sin x < 1385320170 989860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr a0) < 1385320171 148245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1385320178 253706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f sin x :: Expr < 1385320179 64109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f Double> x < 1385320195 905966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1385320203 355878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr . g . expr < 1385320204 345398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1385320204 503247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.... < 1385320232 980836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> g :: Expr -> Expr < 1385320233 876093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1385320234 199513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.... < 1385320244 997297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's Expr itself which isn't Typeable < 1385320254 928368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let derive Typeable Expr < 1385320255 86091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TemplateHaskell is not enabled < 1385320260 505609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385320277 605853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure that's even correct syntax < 1385320311 840170 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385320402 914394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess it couldn't print "f g x" even if it did. < 1385320523 517711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "f g x" {- it can print anything -} < 1385320524 460240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f g x < 1385320548 457604 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix var < 1385320549 283149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1385320549 441061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `[G... < 1385320556 463458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty var < 1385320557 106609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Expr < 1385320569 474098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix fix < 1385320570 404704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = a0 -> a0 < 1385320570 562465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected t... < 1385320653 377401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (show . (:[]) . var) < 1385320654 279528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[... < 1385320674 428236 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you generated a lisp program < 1385320693 812810 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it's infinitely deep < 1385320702 221839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (show . flip (,) undefined . var) -- more lispy < 1385320703 222491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320783 728599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah! < 1385320783 885937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var(repeat'(') < 1385320784 657417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:14: parse error on input `)' < 1385320793 33566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var(cycle "(") < 1385320793 929045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320815 328927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks buggy. also i have a feeling i've seen that bug before. < 1385320821 578233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1385320825 475244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't start with a " < 1385320827 862038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's shorter < 1385320830 233474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385320830 391748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so b_jonas wins < 1385320840 526325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var(repeat '(') < 1385320841 507418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320849 454427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is a legal identifier character < 1385320937 41692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$cycle"(" < 1385320937 957557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385320944 915874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as we're golfing < 1385320985 552610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION flogs oerjan
< 1385321105 995273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, no reason. < 1385321139 642716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cb < 1385321140 881358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... < 1385321146 379528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cb < 1385321147 55466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1385321187 413326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, generate lots of ]s or )s or the channel will capsize due to unbalanced parens. < 1385321205 996712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((])S:^):^ < 1385321206 156059 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ...too much output! < 1385321213 713569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. < 1385321232 800495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 999$')' < 1385321233 513709 :evalj!~jeval@BC064076.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))... < 1385321243 844472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's that? < 1385321265 803836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oerjan's code was Underload, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1385321279 679698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did jconn get renamed? < 1385321298 659274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a different instance < 1385321309 489063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we've had four or five different instances of the same bot < 1385321323 966033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 999$')' < 1385321324 341121 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))... < 1385321324 574477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :evalj is mine, but I only run it occasionally < 1385321337 425764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jconn is fftw's instance, he runs it all the time < 1385321340 208898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bots do we have that can do Underload? < 1385321341 689406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, obviously < 1385321341 984793 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google will find plenty :) iz 3. < 1385321349 909993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot can but it's not online atm (nor is it normally) < 1385321350 273119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three, apparently. < 1385321353 994326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can any of the non-eso bots do it? < 1385321354 398184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (hi)S < 1385321356 515793 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1385321362 270281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1385321363 779114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have two or three instances of buubot at some time too < 1385321368 482430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I think we only have one active < 1385321370 769002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp underload (hi)S < 1385321374 705801 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1385321441 664270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, esobots tend to pick Underload and brainfuck to impl < 1385321444 668701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because they're easy < 1385321463 53833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although thutubot doesn't do brainfuck because Thutu sucks at arithmetic < 1385321465 445789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does any of them run dc? < 1385321501 80087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which dc < 1385321502 341066 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/dc < 1385321532 581464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i remembered how dc worked i'd check EgoBot. < 1385321536 453458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, a universal bot < 1385321558 815021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses backtick as the invocation character too, which is funny < 1385321563 744367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I chose backtick for termbot < 1385321610 484866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstone_(surname) though <-- argh < 1385321700 447306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e[[)]ndx]dx < 1385321701 745805 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1385321747 359243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131124-reddit.png <- that was new for me. (Not that I diddit much.) < 1385321797 665336 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385321831 140284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e[93andx]dx < 1385321832 432016 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] < 1385321849 188764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '1 2 3 4 5' | dc - <(echo '0ss[q]sq[z1=qrls+ssdx]dxlsp') # easiest way to sum numbers in stdin? < 1385321850 903202 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 < 1385321867 937299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this underload looks scary < 1385321888 842439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's probably my greatest esolanging accomplishment < 1385321912 729208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is actually new and different and yet useful < 1385321965 655002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can underload be translated to dc by some simple replacements, like replacing parens to square brackets etc? < 1385321974 462862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1385321983 918020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does this stack turned to program not allow that? I don't really understand underload < 1385321990 185042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenative languages are known to be quite easy to interconvert between < 1385321997 780202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it won't be exactly the same due to the S command < 1385322012 49124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385322013 19234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack->program translation is really vital, though, it's the only way to be able to do control flow < 1385322029 328083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a dc obfu that takes the length of strings that are also used as code < 1385322043 728168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you try to replace parts of code it falls apart because the lengths are wrong < 1385322053 433791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a brilliant method < 1385322077 957319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering why anyone would ever want to obfuscate dc code < 1385322089 309364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: made it a disambiguation page instead. < 1385322097 773774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I consider S a design mistake in Underload, but given that I hardly ever work on its successor Underlambda… < 1385322101 49881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're asking that on #esoteric ? you can't be serious < 1385322146 386359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was; it's like asking "why would anyone ever think of writing a standard library for BackFlip" < 1385322154 994596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: reddit not loading happens all the time. < 1385322162 465509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I shouldn't call it a brilliant idea < 1385322166 310506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of thing that just didn't occur to me that it might be a useful operation, nor even do just for the hell of it < 1385322182 585451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice dc, also what? < 1385322184 934490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that that perl obfu I showed you yesterday uses exactly this trick: it re-uses its code as data so you can't change its code < 1385322203 694718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eeval for'for$=(2..27){$*=0;$*=($**$=+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr$*}'."\n#ig\\tq\24^-/v\c^l,\23\$%\3\ta2\tk\b\c\)\x18 -- ambrus" < 1385322205 131779 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$* is no longer supported at (eval 1) line 1. \ Just another Perl hacker, < 1385322217 642570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never written code for dc, is it actually usually like '0ss[q]sq[z1=qrls+ssdx]dxlsp' ? < 1385322233 899615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eeval for"for\$^(2..27){\$==0;\$==(\$=*\$^+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr\$=}\n#P*h!9= Nn[\c\9\0*.:\eUt\17%j{dY\31 -- ambrus" < 1385322234 59719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscating Perl makes sense, both because people have competitions in it, and because you might want to stop people reading your Perl source and yet have the compiler understand it < 1385322235 189841 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another Perl hacker, < 1385322236 894705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, it always looks like that < 1385322240 519813 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use dc. < 1385322240 818823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1385322251 9123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some dc code somewhere < 1385322266 941752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because dc was originally intended for arithmetic, which it devotes most of its readability to < 1385322283 901083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else gets pushed into a few keywords which are single consonants < 1385322287 946810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also it was written back when memory was really expensive < 1385322290 299372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably vowels too, but nobody uses those < 1385322292 47321 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc looks almost as obfuscated as TECO < 1385322297 896935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the original dc had to be implemented in a very tight space < 1385322305 118573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's gained a few more primitives since, < 1385322310 446021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basics haven't changed < 1385322313 780630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"back when memory was really expensive, and probably vowels too" < 1385322333 764536 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but nobody uses those < 1385322362 583178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs with Hangul syntax? actually I asked this before and the answer is "yes" but there should be more because, Hangul owns < 1385322363 58379 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think dc is OK < 1385322386 95458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1dp[pdsd+ldrlxx]dsxx < 1385322387 406870 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 1134 < 1385322397 518512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It doesn't always look quite like that if you're just using it interactively to do some arithmetic. < 1385322397 680120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[prdk+KdZ5\>x]dsxx < 1385322399 19279 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: 1 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 1 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 2 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 3 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 5 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 8 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 13 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 21 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 34 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 55 \ '\' < 1385322399 860525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Aheui < 1385322406 891890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1385322413 424759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[prdk+KdZ5>x]dsxx < 1385322414 693360 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 < 1385322441 69381 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e'4 5*p' < 1385322442 418014 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: ''' (047) unimplemented \ 20 \ dc: ''' (047) unimplemented < 1385322446 974591 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e4 5*p < 1385322447 846245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx < 1385322448 238446 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 < 1385322449 181838 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 11349031 < 1385322460 441110 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about this bracket stuff < 1385322463 312575 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any of the other stuff < 1385322472 361325 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff in general, tbh < 1385322483 484331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brackets are like Underload parens hth < 1385322507 344904 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact the TeXnicard programming language is based on dc and Underload (well, one of its embedded programming languages anyways; there is another used for graphics, and another used for booster packs and deck construction, etc) < 1385322510 876261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much all concatenative languages have something equivalent to Underload parens, unless you're intentionally trying to make one that doesn't < 1385322512 80264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And x is like Underload ! hth^2 < 1385322517 532395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as dei, which I don't think is on the wiki) < 1385322536 289242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean ^. < 1385322548 122789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know how I got that wrong, brain fart.) < 1385322552 658554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds scary < 1385322552 816705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :brackets are for quotation I suppose? < 1385322559 635487 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn dc.. < 1385322570 149094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1385322593 836235 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. meta < 1385322646 848027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc has many esolang-like properties < 1385322695 962061 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Brackets introduce strings, which are used for code blocks too. < 1385322708 887581 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "e1d[prdk+KdZ5>x]dsxx" pushes 1,1,"prdk+KdZ5>x" to the stack, puts "prdk+KdZ5>x" in the "x" register, and then pops "prdk+KdZ5>x" from the stack and executes it? < 1385322716 785007 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, scratch the initial e < 1385322749 463451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1385322752 399872 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :himc. < 1385322759 111728 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1385322765 271911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1385322769 444524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting at LAX for my flight home to SF < 1385322821 717790 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, that would do < 1385322822 618507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: some explanation in http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=627011 < 1385322825 28607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1385322833 930251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e[d91aPP93aP[dx]P]dx < 1385322835 377481 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[d91aPP93aP[dx]P]dx < 1385322836 400478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp underload (:aS(:^)S):^ < 1385322838 58280 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(:aS(:^)S):^ < 1385322859 759642 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... but then p should pop 1 from the stack and print it, leaving the stack as just a 1, so what's r do? < 1385322863 698716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should actually learn the korean language instead of just obsessing over how cool the alphabet is < 1385322874 681502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite as clean as the Underload version because there's no equivalent of "a". < 1385322923 806580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: swaps the other 1 with the long string < 1385322942 598110 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i thought x popped the string to execute it < 1385322949 465725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it got duplicated by d < 1385322956 602148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1385322959 318731 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but s popped it < 1385322962 271689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1385322965 258068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :p doesn't pop < 1385322969 36957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints but doesn't pop < 1385322973 611013 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385322976 876563 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1385323017 575048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this underload is awesome < 1385323028 993598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1385323045 209131 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k sets the precision... i thought dc used bignums < 1385323066 251627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this bit of the dc man page, regarding P on a number: "Assuming that (UCHAR_MAX+1) is 256 (as it is on most machines with 8-bit bytes), the sequence KSK0k1/_1Ss [ls*]Sxd0>x [256~Ssd0qaPlxx] dsxxsx0sqLqsxLxLK+k could also accomplish this function." < 1385323068 494519 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does use bignums, although some operations still need the precision < 1385323072 767541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: here we use the precision as just a register < 1385323074 313586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not shy about what it looks like. < 1385323077 764133 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385323080 112934 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385323081 542680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, why. < 1385323082 404837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we don't use any ops that precision changes < 1385323091 314763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that k is shorter than saving to a register < 1385323096 228106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case < 1385323097 427865 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1385323101 707021 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385323105 426103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a golf attempt < 1385323123 655513 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I have done that too for golf attempt < 1385323126 98801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see the history here: http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=490532 < 1385323139 682656 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is dc program implementing the XKCD variation of Deadfish: [p]1:z[d*]2:z[1+]3:z[1-]4:z[0sB]dsAx[lB0>AlB256=A0d?lBz;zxsBclCx]dsCx < 1385323164 784554 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else implemented the ordinary Deadfish however that one has some problem dealing with the "s" command properly. < 1385323193 299104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more variants at http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=626801 < 1385323196 240095 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f : R -> R is a continuous function with the property that for any fixed real number x, f(nx) -> 0 as n -> \infty. Show that f(x) -> 0 as x -> \infty." i think i'm a failure < 1385323227 651046 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell if they mean natural n < 1385323239 182092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must do, otherwise you just choose 1 as your fixed x < 1385323263 173201 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, ok. < 1385323267 16315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not an interesting question < 1385323284 825328 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blog post linked about it specifies naturals too so there we go < 1385323306 97477 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up with a discontinuous counterexample and that's about it, go me < 1385323312 406786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to give away the solution? I think I've got it < 1385323326 693829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm, no :( < 1385323343 352405 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i already have "easy consequence of 1,1baire's category theorem" as a solution but i don't really know that theory < 1385323346 973216 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorem < 1385323472 81658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :underlang is both awesome and scary < 1385323485 329208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does anyone happen to have a working running copy of wikiplia? < 1385323585 333389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats b_jonas for misspelling underload -----###
< 1385323626 911592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: might want to deal with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnston < 1385323657 379283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1385323680 134003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um no i didn't change the others so why change that. < 1385323689 569140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1385323690 340260 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385323690 981108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload < 1385323724 413480 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc 448378203247P < 1385323725 755874 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: Could not open file 448378203247P < 1385323727 764683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a really good article for that peter johnstone, the original was so minimal it got changed to a redirect to the list of governors. < 1385323731 457676 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e448378203247P < 1385323732 649354 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1385323744 595513 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1385323798 212501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that one is already a combined disambiguation page for johnston and johnstone < 1385323814 729610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that is true < 1385323820 822127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1385323837 2069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i ban shachaf until he starts doing his wikipedia editing himself < 1385323839 637104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hmm, that's a good idea < 1385323856 649612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like the mod 127 polynomial obfu could possibly be translated to dc < 1385323858 35940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i need the experts to think of all the edge cases for me < 1385323861 944239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i might miss something < 1385323863 609893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it in perl and lua so far < 1385323893 533592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but you keep giving me extra work because you keep finding new edge cases! < 1385323918 72844 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, mind showing the lua version? < 1385323923 865471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: let me find it < 1385323947 880926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the P command seems like a useful one to (ab)use < 1385323962 649495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you don't need P, you can use a < 1385323980 125896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385323985 516502 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gotten that far in the manpage yet < 1385324010 889161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://dpaste.com/1481708/ < 1385324037 867224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, i fixed the problem where someone who seeks for the mathematician might end up on a dead end with no way to him, which was the main problem afaiac. < 1385324047 299053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one also puts most of the code inside the string used for data, so you can't change the code, but for some silly reason my name is not in that string so you can change that < 1385324093 915209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's true < 1385324099 140351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was my original problem) < 1385324335 58608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should try to write such a version of the GF(128) japh too < 1385324349 895813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one where you can't just change the code that is < 1385324358 797855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, no < 1385324367 414465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be against its purpose < 1385324397 770329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of my GF(128) obfu is to show off how easy it is to do calculations over GF(128) in perl < 1385324409 836478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the code should be changeable < 1385324522 4348 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, so basically the idea is to treat the bytes in the string as coefficients of a polynomial, and compute that polynomial for x ∈ [2,26] (or however long a string you want to output) < 1385324522 782431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy not only in that the code is short, but that it does the computation vectorized working with all the coefficients at the same time < 1385324528 562632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no explicit loops on the coefficients < 1385324532 886583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1385324572 723374 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, you could change that ; in the string to a space for (slightly) more obscure code, I'm pretty sure < 1385324599 57226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what semicolon in which code? < 1385324607 951582 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, less-expected-to-work code for someone not used to Lua's grammar < 1385324612 674266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385324614 737220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lua < 1385324626 927031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... you can often omit semicolons in lua < 1385324629 362530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wierds me out < 1385324635 990725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua doesn't require any particular delimiter between statements < 1385324643 788818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually yes < 1385324656 898102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semicolon is required only when it would be ambiguous otherwise < 1385324661 879744 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1385324678 932715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which semicolon out of the three? < 1385324705 7327 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1385324712 811040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think all three < 1385324714 235163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the string... which out of two < 1385324723 201423 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of them cause any ambiguity < 1385324732 755015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385324734 884200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have a hunch lucasieks may be trying to make the pages fit within his browser width. < 1385324751 981622 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the last one you could even remove it (the string and the identifier are separate tokens anyway) < 1385324760 308852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, < 1385324778 404027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which lua < 1385324779 701512 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/lua < 1385324783 838679 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat < 1385324789 894997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second semicolon is after an end, which makes it less surprising you can omit it (for me as a perler) < 1385324806 586547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall previously having a bug where i couldn't scroll properly rightwards when wikitables got too wide, although that seems to have been fixed for me now. maybe he still has that problem. < 1385324819 179384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third one uyou could omit but you'd still need the newline or it would be too wide < 1385324821 445592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had a hunch that might be it too, but his solutions are really destructive < 1385324827 116142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them put a newline in the middle of a keyword… < 1385324830 241268 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, newlines in Lua has no special meaning either (i.e., newlines == spaces as far as the lexer is concerned) < 1385324840 646717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, my browser for some reason didn't detect that it needed a scrollbar when the reason was a wide wikitable) < 1385324841 151681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sure < 1385324851 328711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that part I like < 1385324862 302733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that feature in perl and C too where it's mostly true about newlines < 1385324878 633188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some other languages) < 1385324936 709428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Algol 60 completely ignores whitespace < 1385324950 631566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, even for separating tokens? < 1385324951 962089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some basics and some fortrans do as well < 1385324954 421227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it's left undefined what the representation of a keyword is, and some compilers disallow whitespace inside keywords < 1385324954 578959 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I like that feature of how C and so on treats line breaks (except in C++ comments and preprocessor directives) < 1385324955 924129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1385324972 79194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in so much that you can't write X OR Y in some basics because X OR is a token < 1385324972 336920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all compliant Algol 60 implementations allow whitespace inside variable names, though < 1385324979 993462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the substring "for" is always treated as a separate token, say, even if it appears in "aforb" or something? < 1385324988 568754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in some basics, yes < 1385324994 620835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in Algol 60, it depends on the impl < 1385325008 472638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impl I have requires keywords to have no internal spaces but is insensitive to spaces around them < 1385325019 349857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wand an identifier name aforb, you have to write it as af orb, for instance < 1385325020 810154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mind you, those basics also had 2 characters significant length of variable names, 3 significant of keywords, and small memory < 1385325037 395292 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OASYS does the same and it doesn't even have semicolons or whatever to separate statements. < 1385325058 615040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is.. weird. < 1385325099 376815 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385325100 809848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol 68 is whitespace-sensitive, I think, but it still allows whitespace inside identifiers < 1385325113 383773 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1385325157 190339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because algol/fortran was invented in the days of punch cards < 1385325202 295287 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385325648 812869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever made my own esolang once, and wrote only one program in it, and that one program was buggy. < 1385325660 95755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know now how I could fix that program, but have lost interest in it. < 1385325673 765441 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385325677 210160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't revive that esolang, but might try something with similar design later. < 1385325968 217926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if it's possible to translate http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=989716 (arithmetic in Zeckendorf representation) to sed < 1385325980 864383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all rewrite rules, so it's probably representable in sed < 1385326005 457682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there's already a famous calculator (using decimal) in sed, so it might not be worth < 1385326010 626848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, Thue is Turing-complete… < 1385326065 76437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, < 1385326084 407003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it BF-complete, btw? < 1385326104 359510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wonder if zeckendorf addition in particualr can be translated in a short and simple way < 1385326112 103403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it can < 1385326120 76173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sed that is < 1385326146 174472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you cannot input an arbitrary string and be sure it doesn't mess up your program. < 1385326173 724878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can always be identical to something you are using for internal data < 1385326193 600864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can almost do it in sed < 1385326208 784932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can completely do it < 1385326214 51953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think you can < 1385326220 303881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, that's what I was wondering about < 1385326235 659361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could do something clever involving the ends of the string, but probably not < 1385326236 813286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save the current buffer, read a string, do some replacements in it to make it safe, then load back the holded string < 1385326239 973489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed can detect end of string while thue cannot; i think this is the essential difference to some things. < 1385326250 590384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beginning and/or end < 1385326332 397332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well regexes are much more powerful in other ways too. < 1385326408 180667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sed is also more convenient < 1385326427 545401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e.g. see the discussion on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Thue#Challenging_Problem < 1385326430 767668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has match wildcards and can copy parts of the matched string to the replacement < 1385326441 157558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the limitation that only the first nine parenthesis can be copied) < 1385326451 9341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/parenthesis/parenthesis group/ < 1385326470 932126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1385327469 872164 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder why dc's ? executes the input rather than pushing it to the stack... < 1385327499 670401 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter seems like it'd be more useful, and executing it is as easy as applying x to it anyway < 1385327504 511250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's designed for interactive use, not as a programming language < 1385327567 419382 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385327590 412906 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1385327608 567531 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it foils my code-golfing plans, though < 1385327787 499684 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385328070 20702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what did you want to golf? < 1385328137 646732 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nothing in particular. I just thought dc seemed like it'd be neat for golfing < 1385328217 252403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385328338 211436 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-211.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385328421 453718 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385328440 543040 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385328675 314895 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385328732 644440 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385328945 755457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385329337 266828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps a message on [[User talk:Lucasieks]] is warranted < 1385329358 935193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will if he does that more, I'm too apathetic right now < 1385329391 270080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1385329587 742250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1385329645 494434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385329844 609010 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Yomi cards? I have made up three new decks of Yomi cards. < 1385329884 849472 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ffb2e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385330227 3871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? I don't even know what that is < 1385330283 111035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it is. < 1385330309 498261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I found that even if I don't try to golf in it, it ends up looking like an unreadable golfed program anyway < 1385330337 145077 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: assuming you don't need to input things that aren't numbers or bracket-encompassed strings? < 1385330347 124992 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/input things/read things from input/ < 1385330347 334846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, well yea < 1385330358 182355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam is advertising a pre-purchase option of "Professional Farmer 2014" to me. < 1385330358 340578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly used it to perform math from shell scripts < 1385330367 475038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1385330376 551102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20% off! < 1385330392 929727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tractors And Farm Machines Get Your Farm Up And Running The PC simulator "Professional Farmer 2014" takes the player to the countryside and gives hobby farmers full control in the comfort of their home." < 1385330424 943053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood the craze for farming simulators < 1385330436 548241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor truck simulators either. < 1385330446 168230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is like the ultra-realistic "flight simulator" end of farming simulators. < 1385330452 696017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Farmville and such are at the opposite side. < 1385330453 160189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1385330476 535125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good Ol’ Times DLC: 7 additional, historical Tractor models for Professional Farmer 2014." < 1385330497 376825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Included in the Collector's Edition, of course. < 1385330505 834052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1385330512 801798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don < 1385330521 942362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why you would want to simulate farming < 1385330530 444631 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big machinery. < 1385330546 622638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with 15 extra manure options! < 1385330574 239968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes but tractors? Combine harvesters? Really? < 1385330593 307389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you simulate mining and crafting < 1385330613 209869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Agricultural Simulator 2013"'s "Key Features" include a freely placeable "Dung Tank". < 1385330618 582658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, alas, minecraft is not much of a simulation. It is way to "gameified" for that. < 1385330634 683876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is for the better I would say < 1385330641 774813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, it is for the better < 1385330693 732368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just got z-buffer fighting in a 2D program. That was weird. < 1385330705 817535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that < 1385330711 469484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very very strange < 1385330848 87661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the farm thing makes as much sense as the train thing, which I at least can somewhat understand. < 1385330865 104497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so < 1385330880 487133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flight sims and space sims I can see some point in. Especially space sims. < 1385330885 401447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can only understand train simulations for doing logic in them. < 1385330911 378876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was OpenTTD, which is far from a train sim, again way too "gameified". < 1385330918 274995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How about game development simulators? < 1385330943 335593 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION the rural guy stands by and stares sidelong at Vorpal.
< 1385330944 854266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yeah I heard of that, Haven't checked it out though. Somewhat of a management game iirc? < 1385330961 898485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So I've understood. I only know of it because of the piracy thing. < 1385330991 530999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, not really interested in management games, so meh, couldn't care less. < 1385331034 860637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The pirated version has a tweak that, after some amount of time, people start to pirate all your games and your company will pretty much unavoidably tank, plus a guilt-trip message.) < 1385331073 269232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1385331191 771598 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Zawinski&diff=582900523&oldid=prev need a source, stat < 1385331265 502549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the bouncing cow screensaver?? < 1385331266 611282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "man bouncingcow" says "Author: Jamie Zawinski", FWIW. < 1385331279 443272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Part of XScreenSaver. < 1385331288 351042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, don't have that installed < 1385331294 373961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just blank the screen instead < 1385331310 532499 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is a rural guy? < 1385331315 943795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen the point of screensavers that don't save the screen by turning it off or blacking it out. < 1385331417 37648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the point is that they're both pretty to look at, and still functional at avoiding burn-in. < 1385331495 890326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I guess screensavers make more sense now again when there is OLED? I never heard of burn in with TN or IPS < 1385331599 427270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many technologies nowdays... TN, IPS, MVA, PLS, PVA... < 1385331631 845697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be that the only ones you ever heard about were CRT, TN and maybe IPS. < 1385331644 195881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon they'll run out of TLAs < 1385331782 775547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Wikipedia already lists AFFS as a screen technology, so they started early on that < 1385331804 904281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1385331809 251516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and there is also OLED I guess. < 1385331813 892516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AMOLED < 1385331840 148795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAMOL'ED < 1385331906 119379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I don't think each monitor around me has a different technology. Well okay not quite. There are three TN monitors with the laptops included, but apart from that I have one IPS, one AMOLED and one "Super PLS" < 1385331940 731087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 TN with the laptops included. I forgot the old first model ibook in the bookshelf. < 1385331982 271180 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: why, i live in the lentil capitol of the world < 1385332003 518126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, where is that? < 1385332029 145680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman,_Washington < 1385332032 612699 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fucking festivavl < 1385332043 233170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385332062 432976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hey that isn't rural. 29799 inhabitants is quite respectable < 1385332070 784419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a small city by Swedish measurements. < 1385332086 675659 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small city by american measurements, and are you saying small towns aren't 'respectable'! < 1385332112 264096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in a city that has a population of ~20000 < 1385332133 689802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find up-to-date numbers on the web alas < 1385332136 783754 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's surrounded by farms and shit, is the point < 1385332142 683083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385332146 716900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: *capital < 1385332148 330535 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the university has seed storehouses < 1385332153 442662 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: capitil < 1385332167 253552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah I have like 300 m away to the closest field < 1385332172 36193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a city dweller < 1385332223 867201 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys are funny < 1385332234 941412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, hm? < 1385332235 472245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be that close to a field too, although it was a pretty isolated one < 1385332242 97303 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, i ain't gonna argue about my rurality penis. < 1385332249 157164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no pun here) < 1385332255 337030 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I respect your rurality penis < 1385332267 179967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, I commute daily to a city with around 200000 inhabitants < 1385332271 542245 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, mrhmouse < 1385332304 79362 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to highschool here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excel,_Alabama but I grew up about fifteen miles from there (and it was the closest town) < 1385332312 895997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh I just live near the edge of the city. < 1385332332 365008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excel, Alabama, twinned with Word, Germany and PowerPoint, Iran < 1385332335 473164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, did they use MS Office? < 1385332335 700763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the spot i'm living in now may have been a field before this year. < 1385332340 168293 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385332343 732041 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have busing? < 1385332343 889691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit < 1385332371 713845 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we did not have buses. Yes, I have heard the Office joke before. < 1385332379 6727 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Many. Before. < 1385332396 355313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? No buses? < 1385332398 963539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all? < 1385332402 850823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaat? < 1385332408 947207 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal you're not american are you < 1385332434 484192 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had busing at my school but for the people up in the hills it took like an hour so that fucking sucked < 1385332436 416716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, sure you may not have city buses, but there are always inter-city buses going through even the tiniest places... < 1385332445 503120 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you mean school buses? < 1385332448 498502 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1385332455 230240 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We didn't have either of those < 1385332482 318077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the city I live in is served by a couple of inter-city lines, and it has one city bus line. Which runs like 4 times per day admittedly. < 1385332484 378860 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Ah, we did have school buses. I was the last to get off on my route and the first to get on. The bus arrived at 5:30AM and dropped me off at 4:30PM < 1385332485 702443 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's public busing in my hometown (not pullman) but it's like an hour walk from my house to the nearest stop, so, fuck < 1385332491 796754 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :School ended at 3:00PM < 1385332496 616863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you lived in the hills? talk about rural < 1385332506 912957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the city I work in has maybe 10-20 city bus lines. < 1385332514 615134 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, these hills are the weed capitol of the world, probably < 1385332518 281384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what about commuter trains? < 1385332524 158071 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol. < 1385332537 363617 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385332544 91320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1385332555 574925 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: for a second i thought you meant the bus ride took eleven hours < 1385332571 656990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I have like a 5 minute walk to the train station. < 1385332585 380651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I live pretty close to it yes < 1385332589 321330 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1385332600 80588 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: commuter trains in the US are a joke. < 1385332608 986366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385332613 116833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad < 1385332631 487734 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the light rail in portland is actually pretty good, but that's a twenty mile drive from here and it doesn't cross state lines because of hilarious politicking. < 1385332642 81979 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty minute* < 1385332644 670043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1385332655 37495 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the city of 100kish i was born in had one intercity bus in each direction per day. smaller cities will typically have nothing at all. < 1385332666 436167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, wow < 1385332666 594333 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for long distance rail, well, lolamtrak < 1385332681 455952 :evalj!~jeval@BC064076.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385332685 140089 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pullman has pretty alright public busing, but that's because it's full of undergrads with no cars. < 1385332708 97616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hey, I've used the Portland Light Rail! (Admittedly only for airport to hotel to airport.) < 1385332715 85514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If that's the "MAX" thing. < 1385332723 129661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, I work in a city of around 200k. It has around 10-20 city lines. And a whole bunch of intercity lines going all over the county (since it is the hub of the county as it were). < 1385332723 496076 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, max. < 1385332744 587506 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if a bus is passing through on the highway it won't bother getting off for a town of less than like 20k < 1385332753 773424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it is bad there too? Lots of delays and issues with winter weather and so on? < 1385332779 100632 :typeclassy!~user@ool-3f8ffb2e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385332789 519823 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what bad, the light rail? < 1385332803 20427 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the city of 100k actually had like 8 city bus lines, that ran circuitously once an hour. though there are larger cities in the US with no public transit. < 1385332807 252365 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so the answer is "i don't know, i don't use it" but thankfully trainnerds are here to help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAX_Light_Rail < 1385332836 566955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, the bus line from where I live to where I work is weird. It goes like 5 different routes during different times of the day. All using the same line number. The time table has a crazy number of footnotes to represent this. < 1385332843 237050 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it goes to g or k < 1385332853 390976 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where are you? < 1385332856 937392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden < 1385332882 398723 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're within a few hours of a major city in the US things are better < 1385332889 387433 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me, i'm gonna have to take greyhound back to pullman. pray for me. < 1385332915 818167 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are buses to a lot of pretty nowhere places in New Jersey because people from there want to get to NYC without having to park in NYC < 1385332919 469003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't people get stabbed and eaten on greyhounds < 1385332925 367400 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, eh what is a major city by your definition? Remember Sweden as a whole has ~9.5 million inhabitants < 1385332953 17267 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think that was actually in canada. < 1385332964 665935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a greyhound in this context? Dog sled??? XD < 1385332968 611971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bus < 1385332973 733354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern4google < 1385332976 820012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How boring < 1385332978 526695 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern 4. < 1385332983 245386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall someone pointing out the other day all of norway has fewer inhabitants than birmingham. < 1385332988 135821 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean here, this will probably be less boring. < 1385333019 515546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: All of Norway has fewer inhabitants than Finland. < 1385333024 367957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch < 1385333045 156430 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, Portland OR or Pittsburgh are just about large enough to have this effect, and are comparable in urban area population to Stockholm < 1385333046 177298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Finland has like 7 million right? < 1385333048 80612 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, five million. i think my metro area might have more than that. < 1385333049 783467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buses with toilets?? < 1385333055 1966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have never been on a bus that goes very far < 1385333055 268835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh dear < 1385333061 452095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 5.4 < 1385333066 387302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that birmingham guy was completely wrong. < 1385333075 858921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, it's only barely above Norway. < 1385333084 676043 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole SYSTEM is wrong, man < 1385333086 486662 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham used to have about a million inhabitants, it's probably more now < 1385333104 160178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385333108 641576 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, portland metro is under 2.5 million < 1385333111 660466 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a norway < 1385333121 559074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, hi! Also interesting name < 1385333127 937964 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The family of Tim McLean have brought a [[lawsuit]] of [[Canadian dollar|$]]150,000 [...]" that is a good secret wikilink < 1385333133 755437 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is my /dev/null/nethack clantag < 1385333135 913392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Half a Norway in the subway at the same time?!" < 1385333139 886668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385333159 144400 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying < 1385333178 815630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we just passed 5 millions the other ...february, but i'm not sure if it was this year. < 1385333183 92279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god. That is way too many Norwegians to comprehend < 1385333183 946284 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. i meant 'metro' like 'metro area', not 'metropolitan train' < 1385333203 877510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the taking of norhelm 1-2-3 < 1385333249 261773 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :re portland light rail, it works alright but is nothing special < 1385333258 489495 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to poke along in mixed traffic waiting at stoplights downtown < 1385333272 77085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light rail? Is that like trams? < 1385333276 403618 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385333284 692487 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"light rail" means a tram built after 1960 < 1385333290 795611 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1385333297 54327 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1385333314 734235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh according to WP it is not quite the same < 1385333317 980647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to Helsinki's trams, the MAX trains felt a tiny bit more train-ish, but not by very much. At least from a subjective, non-expert viewpoint. < 1385333322 594222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to figure out what the different is though < 1385333348 686682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conversely, LRVs generally outperform traditional streetcars in terms of capacity and top-end speed, and almost all modern LRVs are capable of multiple-unit operation. Particularly on exclusive rights-of-way, LRVs can provide much higher speeds and passenger volumes than a traditional streetcar.[citation needed] Thus a single-unit streetcar capable of only 70 kilometres per hour (43 mph) operating on a < 1385333348 844443 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : shared right of way is not generally considered "light rail".[citation needed] The latest generation of LRVs is considerably larger and faster, typically 29 metres (95 ft) long with a maximum speed of around 105 kilometres per hour (65 mph).[19]" < 1385333383 986704 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so, if it just runs in the street in mixed traffic with cars it's dubious to call it light rail (portland has a line that does that and they just call it "streetcar") < 1385333385 451661 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff, i don't think a max train has ever gone that fast < 1385333390 457423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :LRV being light rail vehicle < 1385333422 247493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, is that a question? Because I don't know the answer to that question < 1385333432 232131 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's anything even slightly better than mixed-traffic-in-the-street-like-a-bus-on-rails, it will be called light rail < 1385333444 219561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, they're at the moment introducing (test driving) new trams in Helsinki. < 1385333448 879908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half of the pictures on this page looks like proper railways to me, and half look like trams < 1385333449 884768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1385333458 809564 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for political/marketing reasons, regardless of anybody's attempt to make stricter technical definitions of "light rail" < 1385333506 744350 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, the idea of light rail when done optimally is that you run like a proper railway when you can and like a street tram otherwise < 1385333533 788099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385333550 148932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_tram#Future_acquisitions "Two new trams are start test runs in line service in 2013, and --" some train nerd should go update that, they've already started. < 1385333574 325732 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385333588 210203 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the city max is like buses, but it runs outside the city too, where it's more trainy < 1385333605 601486 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside downtown, whatever < 1385333621 385559 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example if you have a disused railway line that doesn't make it to the city centre, you use that and then use street tracks to get it the rest of the way < 1385333675 363275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385333698 199627 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vorpal: what cities are you familiar with? i can probably come up with a european example) < 1385333735 255952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, Stockholm and Gothenburg < 1385333748 479877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :One has a metro the other has proper trams < 1385333760 174536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That definitely runs in the street < 1385333765 533901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly noisy and old < 1385333808 3987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, god damn, these things still run. No wonder they are so noisy, given the year of that image... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tram_in_Gothenburgh_1963.jpg < 1385333832 82784 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway Portland is mostly like what i described above (except sometimes the middle of a freeway instead of a disused railway) < 1385333844 691770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385333878 436388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still some built-in-the-70s trams working in the Helsinki system. < 1385333884 834631 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand maybe you have downtown streets that are small and full of traffic, but wide fast streets further out, in which case you build a tunnel downtown but then run in the street further out to save tunnelling costs < 1385333887 189991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a couple of museum pieces, but those don't count. < 1385333899 363428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When Sweden’s switch to right-hand traffic in 1967 made existing unidirectional trams obsolete, Gothenburg was one of only two cities in Sweden to maintain its city-centre tramway, the other such network to survive being the Norrköping tramway." < 1385333903 68881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I didn't know that < 1385333912 396186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explains why they are so rare here then < 1385333959 764980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly just buses nowdays. The city buses in the city I work in runs on biogas though. < 1385333971 310914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've got six 1962-1964 trams also used as "backup" when necessary. < 1385333981 531317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read about there being electric buses in Karlskrona or something < 1385334012 135706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the oldest of the "museum" trams is originally from 1917, though it's been renovated. < 1385334015 643058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385334032 835562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one's just a replica. Aw. :/ < 1385334058 879952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1955 one is a touched-up original, though. < 1385334083 749201 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport_in_Stockholm#Light_rail_and_tram < 1385334189 246302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, pretty sure that Stockholm has underground metro and buses exclusively in the city center. And that one tram line yes. < 1385334199 207925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that those all end up in "-banan" (banana) always amuses me. I tend to pronounce it like the fruit. < 1385334204 712332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metro goes above ground in some outlying regions though < 1385334239 777109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, but it *never* goes on normal streets. That would be super-dangerous since it uses a third rail system rather than overhead electrification. < 1385334245 583677 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing considers the nockebybanan, lidingöbanan and tvärbanan to be light rail < 1385334258 352000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (horse) race track nearby here has a "Travbanan ->" sign pointing at it. < 1385334260 67245 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though only the last seems to have significant street running < 1385334271 60839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, this is different < 1385334272 71070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385334288 617134 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those three are all a ways out from the centre < 1385334293 103304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stockholm metro, aka "tunnel banana". < 1385334306 528301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been on tvärbanan < 1385334326 307170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess that is light rail yes < 1385334376 101697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Near Liljeholmen the track is shared with freight traffic in a short section, this being the only place in Sweden where freight and electric trains share the same track." < 1385334380 627772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :About tvärbanan < 1385334385 553896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Really? < 1385334387 347141 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: swedes sometimes intentionally prononce it as such, too < 1385334405 797115 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or rather, some of my friends do, at least < 1385334419 890627 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pun, I mean < 1385334434 513608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a longstanding plan to build a "proper" light rail system in Helsinki, but so far they've just managed to paint some buses orange. < 1385334442 538341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live a couple of hundred meters from the regular railroad. It is electrified. It has inter city, commuter and freight trains < 1385334450 505213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have no clue what that WP article meant < 1385334461 527675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it meant "light rail and freight" or something like that < 1385334519 133803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the Helsinki region, there are also other plans to expand the network, through a larger project called Jokeri ("The Joker", after the playing card). This planned expansion, if constructed, would be the first real light rail line in Helsinki, and would involve the conversion of the current Jokeri bus line, line 550, into a cross city tramway similar to Stockholm's Tvärbanan." Heh, they're ... < 1385334525 195104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... referring to that. < 1385334546 528003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(550 is the bus line with the orange buses.) < 1385334590 704266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as long as Batman doesn't get wind of it, that would work fine. < 1385334608 860900 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that roslagsbanan is the only narrow-gauge track in regular use in Sweden? < 1385334640 715069 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, "light rail" is a marketing term that gets applied to things ranging from "only slightly less crappy than a mixed traffic streetcar" to "only slightly crappier than a full underground high-capacity metro" < 1385334682 568714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, heh, it is DC too, not AC < 1385334685 438639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty weird < 1385334710 671607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Motorerna är trefas asynkronmotorer som matas med växelström. I varje motorvagn finns en s.k. traktionsomriktare som omvandlar likströmmen i kontaktledningen (1500 V) till växelström för motorerna. Motoreffekten är 400 kW." < 1385334726 840947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm, where in sweden do you live? < 1385334741 763497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, i Örebros omnejd < 1385334747 663858 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, as boily would say, what are your approximate coördinates? < 1385334749 940075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1385334771 579107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you? < 1385334790 351516 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm suburb < 1385334796 326892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1385334828 36052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, never liked Stockholm. Way too big. At least it isn't as bad as Gothenburg when driving. Bloody one way streets over there... < 1385334860 722138 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've heard driving in Lund is like a labyrinth due to one-way roads < 1385334870 666602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember our plans right, we're probably going to be passing through Örebro sometime next summer. < 1385334871 188619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been there < 1385334902 317228 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gothenburg is pretty much a mesh (and mess) of one-way streets, trams, tunnels and highways. Also a lot of hills. A LOT of hills. < 1385334923 870010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh. Nice. < 1385334939 43308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much to see really. Pretty boring city < 1385334940 309863 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Lund is completely flat < 1385334947 216983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, so like Örebro then < 1385334983 755886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I live near like the only hill within kilometers. Actually an "ås" whatever that is in English < 1385335011 969336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not very high. Maybe a total of 5-10 meters above the rest of the plains here < 1385335019 871304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've said this before, but) trams are one of the traditional "gotcha" questions in the Finnish driver's license theory exam, because they have some right-of-way exceptions. (Usually in the form that there's a picture of a scene, a question on right-of-way, and a tram partially hidden behind a bush.) < 1385335025 385302 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do people commonly answer boily like "40.80, -73.94"? < 1385335044 336927 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: something like that < 1385335060 856801 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: usually accompanied with approximate body weigh, too < 1385335084 946893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: It's all a part of a project to calculate the center of mass of the channel, you see. < 1385335104 934276 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is conjectured to lie in Hexham < 1385335120 48310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Under Hexham" sounds more likely. < 1385335120 316655 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :90kg or a bit less < 1385335146 973317 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i move around a lot though < 1385335231 539990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fed those numbers in maps.google, and it's like right next to "Best Hair & Nail Salon" -- a shame that's not Real Fast Nora's. < 1385335290 807412 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try to figure out my average position over the past year < 1385335341 51125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't remember any tram stuff in the driving license stuff, but out of pure survival instinct I would probably give any tram right of way < 1385335390 34184 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stayed at (37.77, -122.40) for a while < 1385335418 704278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've worked around that problem by not having a driver license < 1385335426 757985 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving* < 1385335433 119389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :an < 1385335440 361169 :an!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1385335441 314446 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385335461 40031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would generally be the correct answer here, too. (Though usually the point is that, given the limited time, you'd look at the otherwise plausible scenario and answer based on that, instead of noticing the semi-hidden tram.) < 1385335482 32213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1385335500 210045 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Lexande, near Lexington Avenue? seems.. fitting < 1385335514 592165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the "trams have right-of-way no matter what their approach direction" exception doesn't -- as far as I know, anyway -- override explicit right-of-way signage.) < 1385335563 627385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385335583 64881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1385335594 371076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: You stayed inside a "Budget Truck Rental" building for a while? Well, whatever floats your truck, I guess. < 1385335603 268474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, yes, "approximate".) < 1385335645 750165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385335653 367931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also coordinate systems suck. < 1385335675 669672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385335683 356971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what happens if you answer all the questions based on the assumption that there might be a tram hidden somewhere you don't see < 1385335728 589889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probably they'll ask you to try again after studying a bit more. < 1385335748 800903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at code for converting from whatever NMEA gives you (WGS iirc) to various local coordinate systems and so on. What a confusing mess that is. < 1385335750 353666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bloody examinators < 1385335757 389803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: From what I recall, it's mostly multiple-choice stuff, so you don't get to explain your reasoning. < 1385335781 593615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1385335791 454869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this is a plot to end humanity. < 1385335806 439988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the evil trams. < 1385335864 317875 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385335945 641242 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the most amusing place i stayed this year was -36.836, 174.751 or so < 1385335997 155304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, i was assuming we were going to project the actual centroid to the nearest point on the sphere < 1385336066 155439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: There is no sphere. Also, I've completely forgotten what the center of mass was for, really. < 1385336094 992849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure there is. "the surface of the earth as approximated by a sphere" is a definitely a sphere < 1385336097 548489 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: on a boat? < 1385336101 626515 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1385336132 902841 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that some friends had sailed there from san diego) < 1385336148 676108 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1385336185 713814 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what are your approximate coördinates? < 1385336227 14154 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approx. 59,204, 17,89 < 1385336258 664397 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get commas as decimal points because apparently Google Maps felt like localising them < 1385336321 663915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We could not understand the location 59,204, 17,89" it also doesn't feel like delocalizing. < 1385336644 961982 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do you use a comma to separate numbers? < 1385336654 924454 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not as the radix < 1385336676 599145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 000 000,00 < 1385336682 707680 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.129.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm european and write comma tuples as (3,4; 5,6) < 1385336690 534567 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that seems better < 1385336706 282271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what we use too < 1385336707 346250 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the SI standard specifies to use spaces to group digits. < 1385336726 63203 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw somewhere a suggestion to use half-width non-breaking spaces < 1385336733 389868 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't even know how to type that < 1385336742 238284 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, it's a mix between (3,4; 5,6), (3.4, 5.6) or (3,4, 5,6) < 1385336748 607128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it's clear what is meant, anyway < 1385336767 229069 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: OpenFormula uses ; as the argument separator everywhere in order to avoid localisation problems if commas are part of the numeric syntax < 1385336796 40236 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.200.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use . as the radix point and nothing as digit grouping. < 1385336811 537157 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use . as radix point and spaces to group digits < 1385336826 404730 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use , as radix point when writing by hand, though < 1385336853 761977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using , as a radix point feels weird, though it is also the Finnish way. < 1385336878 477252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for doing calculations by hand? < 1385336888 591220 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up with using , there, so I guess that's why it's stuck < 1385336906 466023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe by hand it's less weird. < 1385336916 866178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I've been written that many decimal numbers by hand lately. < 1385337175 309258 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385337179 749445 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385337199 612158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTR #20 recommends U+2009 THIN SPACE between decimal digits and following fractions, "as in 1 ¾". < 1385337312 857506 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+200A HAIR'S BREATH SPACE, U+200B SHADOW WIDTH SPACE, U+200C PLANCK SPACE < 1385337360 99902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode '⎖' # this also exists, not sure what for < 1385337362 2045 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2396 DECIMAL SEPARATOR KEY SYMBOL] < 1385337473 704208 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode U+200C < 1385337475 301534 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385337481 245664 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385337491 273959 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "\u200c" | unidecode < 1385337493 173415 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385337500 914335 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero width non-joiner, apparently < 1385337515 492851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ‌ < 1385337515 822723 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat $(which unicode) < 1385337516 849655 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+200C ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER] < 1385337517 176377 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- \ import sys \ import unicodedata \ try: \ print u''.join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8') \ except KeyError: \ print u'Unknown character.' < 1385337538 381400 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so i have no idea how it works. < 1385337543 102056 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER < 1385337544 785651 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​‌ < 1385337548 421341 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 200c < 1385337549 868839 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385337553 522005 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-151.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rats < 1385337563 677362 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In trying to turn off SafeSearch, a setting on a web form, I rendered my system unbootable