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< 1384391194 874681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm drinking "Lotte DMZ" brand water http://web.tradekorea.com/upload_file2/product/163/P00346163/cbe9caa5_8547efa1_1f04_4180_8529_8e7d0eb186a1.jpg
< 1384391198 470194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually bottled from inside the DMZ apparently
< 1384392437 406998 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:a802:2180:ab2d:bade PRIVMSG #esoteric :20* Disconnected (20Invalid argument)
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< 1384392473 109226 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:a802:2180:ab2d:bade PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh esper
< 1384392524 666708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an esper
< 1384392533 112793 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRC network
< 1384392543 305452 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:a802:2180:ab2d:bade PRIVMSG #esoteric :a network that hit the fan
< 1384392705 775010 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:a802:2180:ab2d:bade PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs
< 1384392714 56724 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:a802:2180:ab2d:bade PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think their entire net went down
< 1384393651 720035 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm uh, talking on esper right now.
< 1384393694 272157 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there was a netsplit 26 minutes ago.
< 1384393734 385852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1384395301 261564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384395395 966908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-intruders-detected-in-zone-17,34541/
< 1384395404 809771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this parodying a specific game, or just a genre of games in general?
< 1384395430 739697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Area Man Confused By Onion Article
< 1384395438 108156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you see the Onion is ending print publication :(
< 1384395447 504627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will I read if I'm ever at a Quiznos in Boulder, CO again :(
< 1384395484 227309 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah. I think I linked an Onion article poking fun at it
< 1384395756 943442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called when you have code that's working, but as far as you can tell it shouldn't be working, and you're trying to figure out why it's working?
< 1384395790 687030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell
< 1384396296 496702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :codebugging
< 1384396339 676397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebugging
< 1384396341 92913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: SO IT BEGINS
< 1384396349 354803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long until the other papers end print
< 1384396380 379000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been going on for a while
< 1384396389 683801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1384396394 677083 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't care
< 1384396398 321935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still don't really :P
< 1384396399 710130 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1384396407 537296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Google News finds Onion articles, but adds "(satire)". :-(
< 1384396517 363528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they add for links to the daily mail
< 1384396526 459011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not Poe)
< 1384396763 840088 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-:
< 1384397820 373210 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384398438 374392 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the ghosts know http://youtu.be/dXVNvfPetxU?t=2m37s
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< 1384401054 390381 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-99-118.washdc.east.verizon.net NICK :not_ion
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< 1384401356 724437 :not_ion!~augur@pool-71-191-99-118.washdc.east.verizon.net NICK :augur
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< 1384404004 676757 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designed a norn to drop dead instantly if he ever thought about eating elevators. He was stillborn.
< 1384404023 136795 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take back everything mean i've ever said or thought about you sgeo, that rules
< 1384404053 556665 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :norn?
< 1384404098 516437 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050101192132/creatures/images/5/59/Chichi.png
< 1384404122 856121 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not answer my question
< 1384404136 723079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Sgeo> I designed a norn to drop dead instantly if he ever thought about eating elevators. He was stillborn.
< 1384404140 939336 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1132) <Sgeo> I designed a norn to drop dead instantly if he ever thought about eating elevators. He was stillborn.
< 1384404168 870805 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A species, the main one the player is supposed to care for, in the Artificial Life series Creatures
< 1384404209 423310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Sgeo hates those bastards
< 1384404298 581981 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1384404446 635014 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to try to make paradises for Norns that arrived in my worlds from other people. Can you believe I actually poured antibacterial agents on incoming norns???
< 1384404488 429673 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's actually a reason to not do that besides 'not doing that sounds potentially mean' --- travelling to another person's world doesn't transfer bacteria)
< 1384405213 845384 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that?
< 1384405225 337229 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when I did it, but I learned/realized it later
< 1384405256 698441 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I first started playing Creatures, I saw a norn hitting a toy, but I didn't realize it was a toy. I thought it was another creature, so I slapped the norn
< 1384405279 750052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's when it all started
< 1384405300 169912 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put norn brains in the useless body of the toy
< 1384405302 958446 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't take long till you would hit them even if they didn't hit toys
< 1384405318 150558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1384405342 570749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens
< 1384405354 928689 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sit there doing nothing and eventually starve to death
< 1384405365 814861 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how often do norns think of eating elevators
< 1384405372 784167 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly often
< 1384405390 714492 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/EE_Syndrome
< 1384405417 615596 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't stop laughing
< 1384405423 343876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... that's.. not what I had in mind
< 1384405429 112920 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't actually heard of that before now
< 1384405437 607658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the same old tired "eat elevator" jokes
< 1384405554 850410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eat elevator" jokes are "old" and "tired"?
< 1384405560 425574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you they are new to me
< 1384405615 694130 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.creaturesvillage.com/helen/symptoms.php?ID=613
< 1384405811 447170 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre
< 1384405998 784829 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 930 no one did this yet? really?
< 1384406000 426370 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 930 no one did this yet? really?: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
< 1384406007 478574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Not really.
< 1384406032 349844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In particular I did this yet.)
< 1384406044 118816 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that in the logs of 13 or 14
< 1384406044 305649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/oohlist
< 1384406047 958535 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1384406136 224174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1384410137 123291 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1384410529 207650 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1384412265 901888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait which one was your definition of continuity again
< 1384412374 632466 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shitty one, or the one i copied from wikipedia?
< 1384412415 264760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't it be both
< 1384412427 353606 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia one wasn't shitty.
< 1384412440 753551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia one
< 1384412445 997504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it with neighborhoods
< 1384412497 593865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f is continuous at some point x ∈ X if and only if for any neighborhood V of f(x), there is a neighborhood U of x such that f(U) ⊆ V"
< 1384412509 450987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where neighborhood isn't required to be open?
< 1384412515 50132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1384412574 536359 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :preimages of closed sets have to be closed anyway i guess
< 1384412813 280488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was reading about vaguely-hinting-at-pointless things in a book and now i want to figure out why the idea of a neighborhood even makes sense
< 1384412833 235756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you define a thing with an arbitrary lattice rather than a set of open sets
< 1384412862 919920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not arbitrary. a frame.)
< 1384412923 657621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway now the definition of continuity is obvious, it's just a structure-preserving thing such that knowing f(x) : Y doesn't give you any new information you couldn't get from x : X
< 1384412942 689800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it goes backwards because, like, that's totally sensible and stuff
< 1384413015 317946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand neighborhoods aren't sensible anymore so help
< 1384414143 130568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384414367 439724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oklopol <oklopol> however, presumably two unlimited cells are turing complete <-- i sincerely doubt it, my construction for three cells is related to two cell minsky but needs the extra cell to get around the limited flow control.
< 1384414367 745315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1384414482 10445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoerjan
< 1384414485 658543 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@431591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384414514 201539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oklopol and even then i had to discover conway's collatz functions to get relatively satisfactory control flow in _that_.  basically problem is (1) whenever you exit a loop one cell _must_ be 0 (2) you cannot enter a loop based on a cell being zero, without extra cells.
< 1384414514 558462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1384414553 4111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yachaf
< 1384414606 244829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myname no way 1 cell is enough and even 2 seems impossible, see my @tells to oklopol
< 1384414606 637805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1384414660 613579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myname also, stop having the same first three letters as myndzi twh
< 1384414660 997424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1384414686 897631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're an expert in homology too right
< 1384414724 922517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was talking about something but i can't remember what
< 1384414729 435579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just go to sleep
< 1384414729 976900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if using it a bit in one published article counts
< 1384414742 293192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was it me?
< 1384414759 925935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls blathering about algebraic topology the other day
< 1384414767 788910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please fix infinite redirect in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homology_theory thx twh
< 1384414811 963870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what infinite redirect it works fine here
< 1384414822 641782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1384414895 821458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone merged it out of existence.
< 1384414950 381805 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1384415123 521865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: DONE
< 1384415134 467279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Using it a bit in one published article" is like the *definition* of "expert".
< 1384415145 892362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: THOUGHT SO
< 1384415150 762344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i still don't know what a homology theory is :'(
< 1384415170 249970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz fix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilenberg%E2%80%93Steenrod_axioms to make sense or something
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< 1384415330 194665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: SORRY, LOOKS COMPLETELY CLEAR TO ME
< 1384415378 375030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read a textbook?)
< 1384415439 723882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a completely general setting, you basically need to learn the concreter versions to know why it's interesting?
< 1384415523 567391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_sandwich_theorem   nice article picture there
< 1384415647 21520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very relevant
< 1384415950 196359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think singular homology is like the basic version. (my published use used Alexander-(Spanier-)Čech homology which works in general compact hausdorff spaces or something)
< 1384416474 963635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if lexande highlights on "ham sandwich"
< 1384416593 974976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a vegetarian version of the theorem
< 1384416601 592574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seitan sandwich
< 1384416674 547460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh carpentry
< 1384416695 467053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arp entry
< 1384416928 534571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you carpentering?
< 1384416982 482121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not, the neighbor is
< 1384417020 937352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clear infringement of my human rights to silence
< 1384417161 889321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :put on some abba
< 1384417186 617592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have some loud sex
< 1384417270 223862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh cool maybe someone should prove that brainfuck with two cells is not universal
< 1384417302 51867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1384417435 883010 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :say,for brainfuck with k cells, we say the language of a program is the set of numbers n such that (n,0,0,...,0) (where we have k-1 zeroes) eventually halts
< 1384417465 685921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what k on is there a bf program with re-complete language?
< 1384417476 43918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely k <= 3
< 1384417485 586033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, just wanted to check i formalized this sensibly
< 1384417498 678761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you can do reencoding of n before starting.
< 1384417504 756733 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1384417514 943939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1384417517 861664 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean
< 1384417528 581282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can do that inside bf with 3 cells too.
< 1384417550 804952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :re-complete with respect to just general 1-1 reductions by turing machines, say
< 1384417571 99771 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay, k <= 3.
< 1384417577 287251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it for k = 1?
< 1384417591 901817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just that since the method depends on converting via fractran, you want an original n encoded as 3*2^n or something equivalently handleable.  but you can do that conversion inside bf.
< 1384417604 965312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for re-completeness, what does that matter
< 1384417618 929082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't.
< 1384417651 92788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it matters if you want some sensible set of (unary) languages i guess
< 1384417670 188028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely interested in what the exact set is for unary
< 1384417673 637830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for k=1 you cannot use >< at all (at best they wrap around to the same cell), so you have a balanced bf program with one cell, which is basically a linear loop at most
< 1384417678 498969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think)
< 1384417679 436642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just regular?
< 1384417706 404818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1384417738 893851 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay err
< 1384417749 296298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a loop without inner loops
< 1384417754 483928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm well
< 1384417759 400700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :will either increment of decrement
< 1384417768 11650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a loop, then you either never halt it it, or halt with 0.
< 1384417771 20282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-it
< 1384417772 69516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it increments, then we're in trouble
< 1384417775 309655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1384417790 80041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all depends on the first loop.
< 1384417815 734245 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1384417816 8215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it, you can do some +-constant
< 1384417833 175532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1384417844 767871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess all depends on what happens before we first exit a []?
< 1384417868 289316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i just realized that's not necessarily the same ] in all cases
< 1384417873 583538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1384417910 51134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-[-[-]]] e.g.
< 1384417928 200732 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1384417941 936936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are finitely many states which you can enter, depending on the number
< 1384417958 656972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the states after exitting some [])
< 1384417967 949402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(state being program counter value)
< 1384417988 977892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at that point your counter is 0
< 1384417991 426145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have ]+], that loop will never halt.
< 1384417996 896043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar
< 1384418015 125933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's entered at all
< 1384418034 565118 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you all assume that ++[--->+<] never halts?
< 1384418053 478609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: we're dealing with a single cell right now
< 1384418059 788792 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't, but maybe i should
< 1384418061 380717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no <>
< 1384418065 402599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably specify whether we can go under 0
< 1384418069 721768 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, a single cell?
< 1384418070 474084 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :might matter
< 1384418081 705148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: also, it is unbounded, so no wrapping
< 1384418121 78506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: we were just trying to find out exactly what can be the halting condition of a single cell bf program
< 1384418130 388154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so err
< 1384418166 300118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we encounter the first ] depending solely on n up to a threshold, right
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< 1384418187 821279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like we might encounter different ] first, depending on which loops are skipped, but if n is big, then we'll necessarily go inside all.
< 1384418201 764485 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we meet the first ], i guess we're done?
< 1384418221 892301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems so, the rest is just tracing the result from a 0
< 1384418226 380883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'll be in that loop, and what happens depends only on n (might look at parity if you can go under 0)
< 1384418236 580691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1384418255 717956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think you get finite languages or languages with finite complement if you can't go under 0
< 1384418272 224733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i was assuming unbounded negative too...
< 1384418279 365104 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then err
< 1384418331 639436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you then get something like n = a + bm for some m, modulo getting to choose first k values arbitrarily
< 1384418346 785952 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, first assume that (x) translates to x +s when x>0, x -s when x<0, or nothing when x=0. and {X} code {Y} means that if X holds for the initial state then after code runs Y holds for the current state (or may enter an infinite loop). then {cell=x} (n) {cell=x+n}, {cell=x} [(n)] {sign(cell)+sign(n)=0 and (n=0 or cell%n=0)}.
< 1384418389 543812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(big enough n will necessarily bump into the first ] in the program, and from that on you either halt or don't, on that it depends whether you get the arithmetic sequence a + bm. finitely many values of n might behave differently.)
< 1384418399 875041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, we don't just get that.  we get modulo conditions, e.g. [---] halts on n == 0 (mod 3)
< 1384418410 570025 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and n >= 0.
< 1384418418 288206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a = 0 and b = 3 in n = a + bm
< 1384418423 965030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry if you already said that, i got disconnected for a moment)
< 1384418440 423903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave a conjecture about the case where you can go negative, with a proof sketch
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< 1384418464 215650 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what lifthrasiir is saying
< 1384418477 595888 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[---] halts on n >= 0 and n == 0 (mod 3).
< 1384418484 474546 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the cell is unbounded)
< 1384418508 448910 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, are you asking for the {cell=x} ... things?
< 1384418508 605225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a = 0 and b = 3 in n = a + bm
< 1384418533 928952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(m goes over naturals)
< 1384418543 936774 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: i don't know what you proved
< 1384418559 817433 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, I didn't prove anything, I'm just trying to formalize things a bit
< 1384418562 256635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1384418565 970248 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuck
< 1384418614 853078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
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< 1384418681 659380 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: big enough n will necessarily bump into the first ] in the program, and from that on you either halt or don't, depending on whether n is in the arithmetic sequence of things that go to 0. you take that arithmetic sequence in the language if the program halts from that point, with counter value 0. finitely many values of n might behave differently.
< 1384418689 403462 :Tefaj!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384418716 851201 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"depending on whether n is in the arithmetic sequence of things that go to 0" which you get from looking at how many times the first innermost loop increments
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< 1384418752 646379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the "modulo finitely many values" means though
< 1384418766 158480 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least this would already prove that the language is trivial anyway, in the sense of formal language theory
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< 1384418899 35551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hm i suspect you can choose behavior exactly how you want on finitely many values, + your one arithmetic sequence
< 1384418935 34567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, choose any finite set union an (optional) arithmetic sequence as your halting set
< 1384418940 103724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected that as well, until i started thinking about how to do it
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< 1384418968 845826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well assume the sequence goes upward
< 1384418989 400989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you just any finite language?
< 1384418993 513310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just
< 1384419000 143343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do
< 1384419001 487852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*argh
< 1384419016 588462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you implement a finite language
< 1384419046 499368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,3,7,10,20,30,... can be done as:
< 1384419064 194053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[--[----[---[----------]]]]
< 1384419082 945793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's pretty generalizable :P
< 1384419109 579448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1,3,7,10,20,30,... : +[----[----[---[----------]]]]
< 1384419116 569630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k i feel pretty stupid
< 1384419131 619813 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hi5 we solved it
< 1384419136 153471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1384419140 441814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have k=1 and k>=3
< 1384419144 831714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now just k=2 left
< 1384419149 645679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a5gh
< 1384419152 170301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1384419187 998805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we can then just identify > and <
< 1384419195 921821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by saying the tape wraps
< 1384419204 899229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1384419229 828297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each sequence either flips tapes or not
< 1384419230 727227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now we can leave a loop with one cell non-zero.
< 1384419237 767497 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o dear
< 1384419269 170412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, it might still vary which cell a particular loop halts on
< 1384419305 827338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no longer guaranteed balanced, e.g. [-<] could halt anywhere
< 1384419338 388650 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should come up with a better symbol for > and <
< 1384419345 105811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :X
< 1384419345 381619 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is dangerous
< 1384419350 575080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1384419355 524756 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A VARIABLE LOL
< 1384419359 575854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1384419360 822921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it's good
< 1384419368 907835 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like an eXchange of counters too
< 1384419445 275022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can do the usual multiplication by a constant stuff like [-<+++++>]
< 1384419456 374074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1384419537 335375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1384419556 865674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the first ] we hit in any case the same when n is large enough
< 1384419581 770325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in an innermost loop, [--<+++++>] with all parts optional is basically the same.
< 1384419591 987782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think that is true independent of number of cells
< 1384419596 887979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1384419603 806073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is basically all we can have
< 1384419607 834138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering if we should start there
< 1384419620 859111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but err, what do you mean basically the same
< 1384419654 182375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i corrected that
< 1384419673 7404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confused and pressed enter with an unfinished sentence
< 1384419745 521532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[--<+++++>] either fails to halt, or adds 5/2 of the initial cell to the other, clearing the first.
< 1384419747 836371 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have two kinds of non-nested loops: 1) balanced ones: ones that hang up if n is not in a particular arithmetic sequence cm, m in \N, and otherwise zero n and multiply the other counter by dn/c
< 1384419755 643072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1384419773 83437 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplies it by that you mean, or are you thinking of Q with multiplication with additive notation
< 1384419793 300052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) unbalanced ones
< 1384419795 507199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do
< 1384419800 727880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's basically the same as what you said in (1)
< 1384419812 948130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just wanted to know why you said add
< 1384419813 993621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dunno quite
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< 1384419825 62593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, hm
< 1384419850 295172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting fact: all loops after the first to exit will have a cell with a known value.
< 1384419878 497659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1384419879 987624 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1384419881 885260 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this two-infinitely-huge-cells brainfuck?
< 1384419884 461201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not inside.
< 1384419884 617574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1384419899 10340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before you start a later loop, one of the cells is known
< 1384419931 354502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1384419937 68906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not following you!
< 1384419942 594189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have something like [..[....]...]
< 1384419947 60927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1384419953 325872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... never contains [ or ]
< 1384419959 641470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the inner loop ends, a cell is known to be zero.
< 1384419978 900330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1384419981 403848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that cell has known value from there on to the next ]
< 1384419987 733438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh true
< 1384420003 392950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*next ] or [
< 1384420020 630193 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um
< 1384420034 888029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the feeling that only one of the counters will have a big value after the first ] is met
< 1384420048 972201 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ever
< 1384420058 433856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's also true
< 1384420074 759783 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trivially, but i mean maybe that's important and we should like call that n and think of which counter it is in as a state, or something)
< 1384420075 596893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc i thought a big of this stuff back when i was doing the 3-cell thing.
< 1384420090 767285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bit
< 1384420104 590725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a big bit
< 1384420112 779272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely not all the way through
< 1384420151 454589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you mention it, the idea of treating the small counter as a state also rings a bell
< 1384420165 695158 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds think alike
< 1384420188 472337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it comes to trivial things
< 1384420193 10954 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1384420210 448069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i don't think it's entirely true.  they might still get big in a non-halting way.
< 1384420222 880743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1384420239 793606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i prefer thinking as such loops as LOOP FOREVER LOL instructions
< 1384420244 300503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of
< 1384420245 346417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, [-->--<] can loop indefinitely even if one cell starts zero
< 1384420254 680543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1384420280 741515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, after a ] until the next ]/[ this holds.
< 1384420299 326447 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384420303 806078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384420332 621512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1384420385 557214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[+[-->+<]>-]
< 1384420417 203291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that may be a program that halts for powers of 2.
< 1384420417 499226 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do
< 1384420421 555260 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear.
< 1384420482 982679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking if everything was still arithmetic sequences, then this popped up
< 1384420501 76842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that seems to work
< 1384420516 172155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-[+[--x-x]x-] :P
< 1384420561 222479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we are in the presence of a legendary beast, thinking it's a koala
< 1384420578 649899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1384420652 653702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1384420704 824082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's just that you can do trivial checks for factors
< 1384420716 279868 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and factor exchange
< 1384420718 434860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be possible to get rid of nonbalanced loops by replacing ]x stuff with ]x[-x+] stuff
< 1384420730 857275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1384420742 320057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1384420745 790382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with ]x[-x+x]x stuff
< 1384420772 883706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't actually care _which_ cell is zero, mostly.
< 1384420802 884597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to detect a stack exchange
< 1384420806 769020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm *counter
< 1384420814 533825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm this may have some trouble if you don't know sign.
< 1384420825 359851 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384420844 506426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps all things need to know sign anyway
< 1384420850 940550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they hang up for the other sign
< 1384420860 708753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty i have to go swimming now
< 1384420868 671583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. see you.
< 1384420886 618489 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think we're pretty close, tell me if you come up with the last few details :)
< 1384420912 239360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but now brain needs rest
< 1384420967 250062 :Alexander_!5dadaea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.173.174.166 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1384423100 760611 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1384424790 415983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ruddy> 1 gram of TNT equivalent is equal (defined, even, I think) to 1 kcal <-- most interesting, are you sure you're a bot?
< 1384424791 559448 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you say "oerjan"?
< 1384424800 648882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: yes, i can.
< 1384424801 419263 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one with Captain Gandalf?
< 1384424816 370142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: i don't think i've had the honor.
< 1384424817 11592 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a lie, no I haven't
< 1384424833 889002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so
< 1384424917 764205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> mrhmouse: you why double you aitch why" is in evolution. he's the channel owner kicked out a lot of <-- no, i am quite sure that's _not_ how "evolution" is spelled.
< 1384424917 957351 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the eye socket parts are probably paper thin just like real ones
< 1384424926 292341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eww
< 1384424926 665212 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nothing in haskell says you can't just grovel through stack frames manually. take a few decades.) without problems, but when i started working on implementing scheme, by the way
< 1384424927 197684 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calories have to do with the heating of water, if 1 gram of TNT matches that would be a p. big coincidence I think
< 1384424942 956091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's an arbitrary definition
< 1384424949 273128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a fun fact
< 1384425017 364839 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.113.178.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1384425029 805454 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it's actually true
< 1384425069 619493 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one gram of TNT contains (almost) exactly as much energy as it takes to heat one kg of water one degree
< 1384425238 799421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost exactly approximately
< 1384425244 855291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A gram of TNT releases 4100–4602 joules upon explosion. To define the tonne of TNT, this was arbitrarily standardized by letting 1 gram TNT = 4184 J (exactly)."
< 1384426286 551189 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: doesn't sound terribly efficient to me
< 1384426286 745338 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: where does uml fit into that number
< 1384426905 887822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1384427532 412718 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384428959 712423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/THif   Yes, that looks very optimized.
< 1384429344 885060 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384432380 742785 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1384434649 370717 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1384437106 693516 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384437181 745892 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1384437602 973748 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384437627 517609 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good kernel morning!
< 1384437662 907827 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1384437663 299959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner said 16h 1m 24s ago: the cat goes whirr (and tuk-tuk-tuks a bit when it moves you)
< 1384437703 33936 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ..................?
< 1384437724 97341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cat goes whirr, dog goes screeeeech... ♪)
< 1384437954 738792 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384439603 930303 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]
< 1384440264 838059 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384440458 36081 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.113.178.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what the fox say?
< 1384440743 567171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: hush! I'm trying to unearwom myself!
< 1384440754 382809 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wom/worm/
< 1384441004 782808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the earworm say? 
< 1384441080 125844 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:44:10] <karelian> ducks say quack
< 1384441080 282299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:44:17] <karelian> and fish go blub
< 1384441086 581287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:47:31] <john_metcalf> boily: what the fox say?
< 1384441099 484630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is all this synchronicity between #esoteric and #japanese
< 1384441108 485051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is little intersection
< 1384441139 854716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything intersects in one way or another.
< 1384441146 165500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm synchronicity
< 1384441148 557882 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not like the fox thing is _everywhere_ on the internet RITE
< 1384441156 134561 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that reminds me I haven't perturbed elliott with ##crawl-talk for a long time...)
< 1384441191 826279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The fox thing was #1 on Spotify's list of most listened songs for the geographical region "Finland".
< 1384441204 99663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Last I looked, a week or two ago.)
< 1384441204 472340 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trying to join #japanese ends me up into ##namespace.
< 1384441250 46986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ohhh maybe i'm imagining the whole channel
< 1384441253 958888 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain a lot!
< 1384441279 798106 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384441298 660029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ##japanese
< 1384441305 169365 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1384441490 133808 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384441681 177887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not endoresd by the japan
< 1384441697 757641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1384441729 128418 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384442235 351370 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there WERE an official channel for Japanese, it would be #japanese.
< 1384442245 736058 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg lambdabot @stfu
< 1384442483 401914 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be #nihongo or #nippon or something? unless IRC supports Unicode channel names
< 1384442511 106239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-7 is the way to go
< 1384442576 206216 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384442603 37388 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode    -  :: #日本語 :Illegal channel name
< 1384442655 227484 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks boily
< 1384442676 742607 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was busy looking up whether freenode supported non-ASCII :P
< 1384442820 203849 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :どういたしまして。
< 1384442873 775761 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1384442923 368443 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just see a past-tense verb. I haven't read Japanese in years :I
< 1384442967 758749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION frappe kmc avec une po+AOo-le en acier galavanis+AOk-
< 1384442991 48441 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :どういたしまして 《どう致しまして(P); 如何致しまして》 (int) (uk) you are welcome; don't mention it; not at all; my pleasure; (P)
< 1384443324 925806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: did you have classes? if so, how many years? what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
< 1384443702 878711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to set up a catapult, and if so, what's the destination?
< 1384443877 117543 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm trying to find this channel's centroïd, and see if it falls on Hexham.
< 1384443897 777170 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I didn't take classes. I studied independently in highschool with resources I found online.
< 1384443935 970563 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a spiral notebook of the 300 or so kana that I once knew. But that's been since sophomore year of highschool, and without anybody to converse with, I've lost it all
< 1384444155 289584 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384444211 362098 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: can you translate “sophomore year of highschool” into Canadianese?
< 1384444298 392194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384444537 668461 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the schoolyear when you're 15-16 years old
< 1384444631 524001 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384444807 628613 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. «Secondaire 4».
< 1384444863 951520 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I tried beginning thinking about starting to maybe try to learn basic Japanese around that time.
< 1384445036 102387 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too!! well, that's when i got even kinda serious about it. i'd learnt hiragana at age 12 but gave up again soon after
< 1384445057 118853 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384445075 343469 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.175.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely remember not being in the secondaire yet at the time
< 1384445139 820009 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1384445338 868507 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :education systems of the world endlessly confuse me, especially France's. I can never remember when «lycée» and «collège» happen, let alone what are those university year designations («bac + 5» ???).
< 1384445681 528906 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384445742 372930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry christmas boily
< 1384445799 74411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: joyeux noël à toi aussi!
< 1384445837 361904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy birthy boily
< 1384445882 700118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you christmas present is on its way
< 1384446021 877017 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: as it happens, you're only a little bit off. my birthday falls on December 24.
< 1384446028 538416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: woot ^^
< 1384446059 92850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that must have been annoying
< 1384446078 795382 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384446096 339526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kids birthdays should be as far from christmas as possible, to maximize presentage
< 1384446236 27422 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far from annoying. a holiday is garanteed, I spend time with my family, and there are various offers and rebates and discounts for many things (mwah ah ah).
< 1384446282 94841 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my parents have fun, like that year where I got that nice chair frame on my birthday, but the cushions on Christmas.
< 1384446331 623419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it'd be better to have a birthday on jan. 1
< 1384446351 695022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :after-christmas sales are the best
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< 1384450251 405649 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1384450336 607557 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I suppose early august is pretty good in that regard
< 1384451349 691568 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1384451492 654407 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384451546 291491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Scribblenaut: a man needed something to contain an ooze. I gave him "big klein bottle". Somehow, he managed to get the ooze *inside* it.
< 1384452062 329274 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously a klein bottle has an inside.
< 1384452089 694699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the same side as the outside.
< 1384452104 940869 :Taneb!~Nathan@nas16-208.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384452152 834714 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a minor detail.
< 1384452183 369755 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1384452362 402145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1384452362 626333 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384452439 297879 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Client Quit
< 1384452462 179164 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384453031 940636 :Taneb!~Nathan@nas16-208.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1384453175 844447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384453191 156911 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile on the Kindle http://imgur.com/a/EMBIM
< 1384453200 707912 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384453277 118508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Z̩̦͘A̠L̘̭̼G̱̯̲̻̗̰͔O̞̫̤̣̥,͈̗ ̟͉̥͎h̪̩̦͎̫͡e͇̺̝͈͎ͅ ̧e̦̺̘p̼͍͉͓̦ͅu̼͚̱̦b̠̰͕̪̖͘s͏̱!̸̗̜͓ͅ
< 1384453290 114130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily
< 1384453334 816906 :Taneb!~Nathan@nas16-208.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384453512 377064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's pronounced just as it's written?
< 1384453536 607248 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the b̠̰͕̪̖͘s͏̱!̸̗̜͓ͅ is silent
< 1384453621 140558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384453680 856974 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes on the «ȅ»
< 1384453725 113109 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1384453963 755150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I was going to say that yesterday and then you left
< 1384454047 215786 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that kind of cat.
< 1384454060 68320 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahaha
< 1384454080 765248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ȅ
< 1384454082 586632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0205 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DOUBLE GRAVE]
< 1384454097 850554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf which language has that
< 1384454149 820252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_grave_accent
< 1384454160 419382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scholary discussions. nice!
< 1384454173 195497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ȅducational.
< 1384454182 442048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, android's libc is pretty crappy... discovered today that its fork() deadlocks occasionally
< 1384454231 44725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also: its pselect is just sigprocmask+select, which defeats the point of the function existing in the first place)
< 1384454383 359719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and fopen and getaddrinfo are not thread safe, but I guess that's fair since nothing I've found explicitly declares that they have to be)
< 1384454395 161777 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let lev a b = let lev' i j = if min i j == 0 then max i j else minimum [lev' (i - 1) j + 1, lev' i (j - 1) + 1, lev' (i - 1) (j - 1) + (if a !! (i - 1) /= b !! (j - 1) then 1 else 0)] in lev' (length a) (length b) in lev "oerjan" "olsner"
< 1384454398 907860 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): 
< 1384454403 355009 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let lev a b = let lev' i j = if min i j == 0 then max i j else minimum [lev' (i - 1) j + 1, lev' i (j - 1) + 1, lev' (i - 1) (j - 1) + (if a !! (i - 1) /= b !! (j - 1) then 1 else 0)] in lev' (length a) (length b) in lev "oerjan" "olsner"
< 1384454404 455575 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5
< 1384454435 700826 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1384454451 508524 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has no Threads.
< 1384454466 895568 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was the conclusion of the latest discussion about that particular topic
< 1384454497 621641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given C11, that's kind of a strange conclusion.
< 1384454504 278747 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Concurrent_computing#C
< 1384454549 788020 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384454579 794175 :Taneb!~Nathan@nas16-208.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1384454599 509883 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I missed the whole chain of messages from olsner. Ignore that.
< 1384454656 717737 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a separate note: what fascinating thing are you building that needs to use C on an Android device, olsner?
< 1384454742 166411 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/console-wars-heat-up-as-zenith-unveils-gamespace-p,34551/?utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt&utm_campaign=butt
< 1384454764 534735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think your algorithm has unnecessary exponential blowup
< 1384454767 992897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the fork thing affects java too, since the Process implementation eventually does fork+exec
< 1384454789 740768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the other stuff, but it wouldn't be too weird if dns stuff uses getaddrinfo
< 1384454843 538470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: "work stuff" :)
< 1384454938 367807 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you isolated the issue to Android's version of libc, or is there some bug report you're working off of?
< 1384455181 50143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are only the bugs I know and that I found proof of or fixes for (fixed in *some* version of bionic, which just means you know the bug exists in all the older versions)
< 1384455456 931020 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I only needed a naïve oneliner. I know I could iterate over a pair of vectors, but that would have implied thinking.
< 1384455465 462548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :onëliner
< 1384455547 450183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn onëliners are pairs of unfathomable vectors in the category of exponential distance.
< 1384455552 491258 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1384455557 697268 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1384455735 452225 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chess
< 1384455737 807765 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation.
< 1384455742 445236 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pineapple
< 1384455744 406964 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pineapple is a hybrid species descended from a cultivar of spinach and wild ivy, therefore making it a class 6 vegetable.
< 1384455892 95792 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so annoying
< 1384455903 77990 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :people write paper and make a mistake in their algorithm
< 1384455912 87249 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in the pseudocode
< 1384455930 481145 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and it gets published
< 1384455996 589271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs do have to originate from somewhere. you weren't thinking that they just appeared out of nowhere in production code?
< 1384456022 830815 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes many man-hours to produce good quality, free-range bugs.
< 1384456035 414894 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they made a "logical" mistake in the pseudocode
< 1384456067 715103 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :this paper looks at if it hasn't been read by anyone at all
< 1384456079 62585 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was on IEEE
< 1384456089 737153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass-producing cheap bug knock-offs amateurs.
< 1384456102 181691 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Modified integer factorization algorithm using V-Factor method"
< 1384456114 331542 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also has some typos etc
< 1384456120 75205 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's for a conference
< 1384456121 519370 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1384456244 966389 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384456257 991968 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not really something new
< 1384456301 112466 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an algorithm here that outpreforms it and is just as simple, and I don't really think it's ready for publication yet
< 1384456321 255606 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: utm_campaign=butt
< 1384456344 173184 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I haven't really thought about writing a paper or anything either
< 1384456360 151356 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: from the butt, for the butt
< 1384456380 819943 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, do people even look at papers from people in highschool)
< 1384456402 152547 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if they can't help it
< 1384456406 287552 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do highschool pupils evne write them) 
< 1384456599 912161 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/7IVS5LT.jpg britain rules
< 1384456771 755926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> where neighborhood isn't required to be open? <-- the definition of continuity is equivalent whether you require them to be or not.
< 1384456793 917168 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god
< 1384456800 188474 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plankalkül is so gross
< 1384456822 884648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right but why do neighborhoods even make sense
< 1384456876 594404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/onëliner{s,}
< 1384456880 743189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1384456902 98528 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original notation was two dimensional."
< 1384456906 129770 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee golly jeeperw
< 1384456978 513201 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: why is it gross? I like it.
< 1384457042 251731 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not abstract enough to have the beauty of some abstract notation, but not computery enough to look like some serious machine code
< 1384457153 326525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Bike> preimages of closed sets have to be closed anyway i guess <-- um that's yet another definition of (global) continuity
< 1384457328 516577 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sweet-and-sour spot of Baudot encoded languages.
< 1384457368 507725 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's wh at i meant, yes
< 1384457374 763970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in the one definition, a neighborhood is just an open set containing your chosen point, which are important for being able to say anything local to a point.  in the other definition where they aren't open, neigborhoods of a point form a _filter_, which is important as one way to generalize what you take limits in.
< 1384457425 789415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my book talks about that so i'll read about that??
< 1384457429 413552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1384457496 317713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_filter redirect to an article that says "Hence, most additional information on this topic (including the definition of maximal filters and prime filters) is to be found in the article on ideals."
< 1384457549 529070 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384457695 579792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well the article on ideals doesn't seem to define them either.
< 1384457752 352249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well i guess it does.
< 1384457775 820644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need to read the thing that says that an ideal is dual to a filter before that makes sense
< 1384457897 493476 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384458048 215262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'll be happy to know that it no longer redirects there hth
< 1384458081 391958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have started bypassing the script lately tdnh
< 1384458083 435553 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable
< 1384458091 963714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what script
< 1384458137 375537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that censors any line ending with things like
< 1384458263 612873 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you manage to hth in “... redirects there hth” but not in “... with things like”?
< 1384458387 878946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, you have a script to censor "hth"?
< 1384458398 977468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1384458403 228205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfFun
< 1384458408 717167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: elliott made it
< 1384458467 923006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and now I know.
< 1384458487 974522 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to sing «hth, hthhhhh, hhhhhhhhhhhthhhh ♪»
< 1384458526 66259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remarkable effort from a french speaker there
< 1384458547 643658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you're not abusing them all being silent
< 1384458787 397306 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't pay attention to the silent h behind the curtain.
< 1384458848 574668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i eard noting
< 1384458969 347022 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.113.178.250 NICK :impomatic
< 1384459072 680812 :Taneb!~Nathan@nas16-208.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384459140 457323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wikipédia's samples, I can't make no difference between [ħ] and [h].
< 1384459215 652174 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1384459401 752581 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at myname while he thinks of a suitable counter-attack
< 1384459406 120041 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "tdnh"
< 1384459411 645432 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdnh
< 1384459413 784803 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh does not help
< 1384459418 391528 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1384459420 789365 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-175.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :another aah
< 1384459427 236020 :Taneb!~Nathan@nas16-208.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1384459558 293454 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, I like south (django's (the web platform (or framework, I lost count (a character in Sesame (you never can get enough of it on maki (ja:巻 en:scroll) sushi) Street))) migration tool))
< 1384459706 104362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sounds a little one-directional
< 1384459756 51412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's the winter (when birds migrate south) version and you'll have to wait for the summer one.
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< 1384460336 642080 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do not listen to One Direction. all I know is that it's kinda like the latest manufactured boy band or something. eeqça.
< 1384460535 499656 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Disconnected by services
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< 1384460730 463471 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if rule of fun is in any way related to dwarf fortres
< 1384460862 636963 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Failure Is the Only Option: "Losing is Fun!" became the official motto for a reason.”
< 1384460883 556720 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Hilarity Ensues: Look, if you actually get upset when one of your dwarves gets into a foul mood because you killed his cat on accident, beats up another dwarf who then gets ticked off enough to put his pick into the head of another dwarf who then lies there decaying on the ground, causing bad smells that drive a handful of the other dwarves unhappy enough to pick up axes until bleeding, insane and dead
< 1384460885 736271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarves litter your fortress, you're playing it wrong. Losing is Fun, after all!”
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< 1384461037 903819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the time being, I'll stick with good ol' DCSS. I'm not yet prepared to be maximally enfunised.
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< 1384462244 798288 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we're on the subject of games with roguelike interfaces.. Does anybody know of a worthwhile multiplayer roguelike?
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< 1384462537 801755 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously turn-based play is probably out the window. I'm more interested in the general nature of the game (dungeon diving for some mythical item while leveling up along the way).
< 1384462588 972823 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only knew one which i didn't get :/
< 1384462598 759132 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :diablo clearly
< 1384462671 352909 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mangband.
< 1384462672 321603 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of making my own rl, but i don't have time right now
< 1384462675 650390 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that
< 1384462692 955927 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
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< 1384463085 576366 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mangband looks like what I'm looking for! Bike: I've never played any of the Diablo games. Are they local multiplayer or online?
< 1384463123 563825 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :online, apparently. i wasn't really serious
< 1384463127 670038 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily thanks for suggesting mangband, looks great
< 1384463128 20235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1384463134 798058 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has LAN, i don't know what you mean by "local" exactly
< 1384463147 297448 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384463153 548189 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: same screen == local to me
< 1384463163 556604 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so no, doesn't have that
< 1384463166 199870 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never played any *band so i didn't get warm with mangband
< 1384463216 44584 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really saddens me how few games these days include same-screen co-op play :/
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< 1384465001 967221 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!
< 1384465002 288992 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: def command lang code tends to go fubar when you haven't yet
< 1384465019 965482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not go fubar
< 1384465023 164857 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: when you haven't what yet?
< 1384465023 440950 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: i'm not seeing the 32bit loving code in pre-scheme. but it makes it a good target
< 1384465082 125965 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you mean target (expected runtime platform) or target (receiver of projectiles)
< 1384465166 219828 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure ruddy knows what you're talking about, though
< 1384465166 625540 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USually some kind of technical issue.
< 1384465250 5505 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1384465367 926736 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: well duh
< 1384465368 412106 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't touch dis.
< 1384465481 334949 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1384465915 520227 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1384465971 742178 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy, we're no longer in the 1990s...
< 1384465972 425768 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1384466141 126661 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: dis, as in the Iron City of the same name?
< 1384466141 605412 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1384466146 546779 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1384466182 526093 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: your bot is scary. he invokes branches of Hell.
< 1384466930 737622 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384466991 212077 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1384467055 722974 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily
< 1384467169 723265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: so um, what esolangs do you like?
< 1384467170 273876 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome back
< 1384467183 777812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: stop trying to avoid the question. We need to know.
< 1384467184 437422 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the point I'm making is that I really like this story.
< 1384467197 329748 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly ruddy wants to tell us a story
< 1384467197 911611 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mangband.
< 1384467209 170582 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1384467213 728076 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may also have brain damage
< 1384467252 972083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy learns fast!
< 1384467253 325241 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1384467259 425619 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ruddy is modest!
< 1384467259 912106 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1384467269 511827 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy is pretty negative today..
< 1384467269 903558 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :planet melmac
< 1384467270 60168 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm liking this chatterbot's style now.
< 1384467281 681291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy is fungot in disguise.
< 1384467281 876465 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: saw that.
< 1384467282 236385 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speak!
< 1384467292 374103 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I saw it too.
< 1384467292 581008 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sure: cd /usr/ pkgsrc/ fonts/ misc has fnord
< 1384467298 604157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, http://eleks.github.io/js2js/)
< 1384467332 583187 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has a fnord font? I'm not too surprised.
< 1384467332 802723 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: my mouse just goes poof. time to apply that procedure, so the value of writing them anybody want to clue me in on the fnord
< 1384467368 93565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I thought your box was headless...
< 1384467368 289447 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oh wait,
< 1384467372 395459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits
< 1384467412 792528 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for FireFly
< 1384467419 254250 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1384467617 233663 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is glorious.
< 1384467632 816278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: haha, nice
< 1384467671 342254 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruddy: row, row, row your botsnack
< 1384467671 789185 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you break my heart
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< 1384467886 753316 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm seriously considering memoizing a function over all possible floats.
< 1384467953 452624 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why?
< 1384467968 664094 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because calling it a billion times takes twenty seconds and i'd rather it not.
< 1384467985 121439 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, memoizing
< 1384468013 644459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of making a LUT for all possible floats
< 1384468042 805561 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you memoize a function over all possible floats
< 1384468056 741279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: LATE NIGHT REVERSE CHICKEN IN A NEW YORK BACKALLEY
< 1384468057 708909 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't, it's stupid
< 1384468072 565367 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to figure out what that means
< 1384468080 271425 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it sounds like you want to precalculate, not memoize
< 1384468091 78888 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever.
< 1384468101 241497 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like he wants to do both
< 1384468111 267254 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like everything is terrible!
< 1384468112 919507 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you use something hashmappy to map floats to values? it seems like it'd be easy to write a good hash function for floats
< 1384468119 611901 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1384468156 752116 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i need better metrics. draw up a distribution of the billion values this is called on
< 1384468250 121232 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that floats and isn't a duck is clearly a witch and I don't trust it
< 1384468430 894066 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no, it just has to weigh the same as a duck, obviously
< 1384468455 142704 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws Bike's floats in the water
< 1384468463 174450 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:!
< 1384468707 137404 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1384468729 614851 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Right to the bottom. At least now you know your floats aren't witches, Bike
< 1384468818 925175 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they may now be guests at a seedy hotel
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< 1384469925 945354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 96.7 kg to lbs
< 1384469934 122247 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[]
< 1384469939 969091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp
< 1384469966 554261 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 10 px to radians
< 1384469975 174145 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "px". \ Bounds in range expression are of unsupported types: (10 px (undefined symbol), 1) \    at frink.expr.bh.byte(frink) \    at frink.expr.bh.evaluate(frink) \    at frink.parser.Frink.parseString(frink) \    at frink.parser.Frink.parseStrings(frink) \    at frink.parser.Frink.main(frink) \ Bounds in range expression 
< 1384469991 669970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow
< 1384469994 665630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is pounds written lbs?
< 1384470002 180829 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"libras" or something
< 1384470011 227062 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, as in books?
< 1384470139 131236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a corruption of the Latin for "pound"
< 1384470152 238789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember exactly how it's spelt
< 1384470181 384778 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says  "The unit is descended from the Roman libra (hence the abbreviation "lb"); the name pound is a Germanic adaptation of the Latin phrase libra pondo, 'a pound by weight'"
< 1384470239 811771 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell 'libra' as a unit of weight originated in Latin
< 1384470415 159798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this spambot put "Dear Smith Alex, " and my email address in the subject line of the email
< 1384470437 296842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the email itself looks similar to XML but isn't because it's got some text before the <?xml:> tag
< 1384470448 873474 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.82 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1384470484 990169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it appears to be OOXML using no tags but <p> tags and with all spaces changed to nonbreaking spaces
< 1384470497 433125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the links aren't even hyperlinked
< 1384470514 81007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, this email could have been written entirely in plaintext, and would look the same as intended if it had been
< 1384470547 260609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good argument for using the right format for your messages :)
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