< 1383178008 390394 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383178665 447871 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383178889 336966 :Faris!~faris@41.140.159.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383179889 380635 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383180160 915239 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383180209 885889 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383180225 914366 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383180604 693333 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1383181270 538835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383181614 92093 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "After analyzing SCP-1461 and SCP-1461-01, it seems that SPC-1461is just made out of silver and nothing else abnormal is found but is about ████ years old and was retrieved in ██/██/████ and it’s still unknown how it dematerializes or let the subject find the object it’s looking for, as for SCP-1461-01 it made out of the object it needs to be and was discovered during testing" < 1383181615 351550 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "After analyzing SCP-1461 and SCP-1461-01, it seems that SPC-1461is just ma... < 1383181625 975215 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This sentence is really really bad. It's literally at least 4 different ideas shoved into one sentence. It's the human centipede of sentences." < 1383181748 184627 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383181753 239775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you confusing #esoteric with reddit < 1383181771 955715 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383182043 620913 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a difference? < 1383182130 6827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally. < 1383182172 664845 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read an utterly terrifying SCP tale < 1383182187 306079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not terrifying < 1383182196 720729 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the thing most likely to give me nightmares tonight < 1383182206 717051 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/pila < 1383182311 401015 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Gun < 1383183084 700757 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1383183699 470522 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1383183870 112555 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383184200 504306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383184761 803395 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383185116 354802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1383185211 827279 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383185243 334971 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383185280 459702 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383185349 725260 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1383185351 791319 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383185727 588967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ([1],"a") <> undefined < 1383185728 696705 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1383185746 651153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strict of you < 1383185796 153168 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ([1],"a") <> ([2],"a") < 1383185797 426963 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([1,2],"aa") < 1383185845 924686 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misunderstood. < 1383185886 132912 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<>) < 1383185887 8031 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid m => m -> m -> m < 1383185957 861584 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: were you expecting, like, (1:undefined, 'a':undefined)? < 1383185959 103727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1] ++ undefined < 1383185960 486422 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1383185969 215272 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1383185979 478002 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1] <> undefined < 1383185980 776633 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1383185984 651447 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1383186003 692306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> is a synonym for ++ for lists < 1383186027 451123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's monoidal add right < 1383186034 932213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mostly just wondering if the Monoid instance for tuples unwrapped them lazily. < 1383186075 977469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there was a stackoverflow answer suggesting it, and i got to think "what about infinite lists?" < 1383186883 45008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/post/65544023819/ i'm starting to think php could be linked to actual, major economic damage < 1383187122 193894 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PHP provides a SecureVar() function which is used to mark variables names as being secure variables. These secure variables can only be set directly in a PHP script, or they can come from a POST method form." < 1383187250 784767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The password defaults to your unix username and falls back on “php” if it can’t figure it out.» < 1383187258 478231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«It mentions it’s “a good idea” to change the password but doesn’t actually mention how. » < 1383187363 793714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«You do not need to use this leading 0 in PHP since the functions that expect octal parameters are will simplyassume that the parameter is octal.» < 1383187374 784433 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good use of espurr there < 1383187391 380953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that they take decimal 755 and convert it to 0o755 = 493 < 1383187650 795845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: actually I think it's more likely a special case in the parser < 1383187672 41008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will parse numbers as octal if they're literally the argument to chmod < 1383187688 855325 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of that too but i stopped thinking about it because i didn't want to think about it. < 1383187776 3617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :== < 1383187789 750019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article makes it sound like what I said but I wouldn't put either kind of horribleness past them < 1383187796 443972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's less insane than back-converting the base < 1383187836 43438 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think special casing function call syntax based on the function name is less insane than something? < 1383187851 52715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://php.net/manual/en/function.chmod.php says decimal values just don't work < 1383187886 839131 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is php 2 < 1383187912 562581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383187963 204388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway the conversion thing sounds ambiguous < 1383187991 418348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, I think it's less insane than the alternative suggestion < 1383188214 368643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the great thing about the conversion is that if you do write an octal literal, it'll be wrong < 1383188242 953149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i've actually read that page < 1383188324 984751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant it supported both but maybe it just supported decimal arguments < 1383188343 832338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it didn't support octal literals < 1383188373 957158 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht's the impression i got. < 1383188502 230263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, something I discovered recently: on Debian, ddate is in the same package as mkfs < 1383188511 127557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making it part of the "essential" functionality set that can never be removed < 1383188514 645237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without breaking the system < 1383188700 236887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean date or is that a different thing < 1383188718 924892 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddate, discordian date. < 1383189070 533722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's the Discordian version of "date" < 1383189529 937455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1383191007 394287 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1383191194 16667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr some controversy arising from this < 1383191222 477975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I see it on my Debian computer. < 1383191741 217096 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually part of util-linux. < 1383192230 820068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/holman/status/395674486973808640 < 1383192339 68674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have it on Ubuntu :( < 1383192348 506665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do you use ubuntu < 1383192354 481372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that a mozilla thing < 1383192364 833613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was one of the easy options for my micro EC2 instance < 1383192374 656870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use Debian on my work and personal laptop and basically every other machine < 1383192399 810442 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin doesn't have ddate :< < 1383192407 157794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, not in the default install I guess. < 1383192408 326429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 11th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179 < 1383192417 752417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail eris < 1383192430 369282 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww. no package! < 1383192455 32584 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should reaalllyyy run the updater on that note, and does so < 1383192508 322691 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383192515 148959 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383192537 994606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you winning cygs, anyway < 1383192543 432543 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1383192551 185701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a cyg < 1383192561 610976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean 'why are you using cygwin' < 1383192568 859567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if that sounds more judgmental than I meant it to be < 1383192570 263594 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1383192579 422177 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's kinda nice to have like, a unixy shell on windows? < 1383192590 328462 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, a development environment < 1383192610 382996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use visual studio or something but I'm bad at it < 1383192694 795865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ddate < 1383192697 70694 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 12th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179 < 1383192701 183493 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1383192728 197506 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg xD < 1383192856 363766 :Faris!~faris@41.140.159.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1383192893 485795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=PST ddate < 1383192895 144086 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 12th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179 < 1383192911 433813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=PST date < 1383192913 96316 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu Oct 31 04:15:12 PST 2013 < 1383192930 216609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1383192975 981002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it interpreted it as portuguese instead of pacific < 1383192990 760497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess I meant "why are you using Windows" < 1383192996 184413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had to use Windows then I would install Cygwin for sure < 1383193000 96306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I sound even more judgemental! < 1383193000 573131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=UTC-7 date < 1383193001 985081 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu Oct 31 11:16:41 UTC 2013 < 1383193009 477610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttants: UTC-7, UTF-7 < 1383193020 583197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1383193036 610895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=Balls date < 1383193038 327026 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu Oct 31 04:17:17 Balls 2013 < 1383193038 539592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $TZ < 1383193040 215610 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1383193065 265980 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, balls. < 1383193078 122113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=UTC-7 ddate < 1383193079 809879 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 12th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179 < 1383193083 889323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ="'; DROP TABLE timezones --" date < 1383193085 527721 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu Oct 31 04:18:04 2013 < 1383193112 938795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=America/San_Francisco date < 1383193114 696747 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu Oct 31 04:18:34 America 2013 < 1383193147 16183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=UTC+7 ddate < 1383193148 588312 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 11th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179 < 1383193153 497685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that worked < 1383193180 87562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something switching + and - < 1383193188 400928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=UTC+7 date < 1383193190 27653 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wed Oct 30 21:19:49 UTC 2013 < 1383193225 646483 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=UTC+31 ddate < 1383193226 987932 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 11th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179 < 1383193241 787941 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run TZ=UTC+631 ddate < 1383193243 540951 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 11th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179 < 1383193245 554274 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1383193262 821461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to collapse spacetime < 1383193274 22339 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spin me right round < 1383193286 955975 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383193310 725409 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383193317 824143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow: "spin me right round" featuring Bike < 1383193450 873838 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383193591 83116 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess bike wheels do spin around a lot? < 1383193706 178994 :Faris!~faris@41.140.159.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383193828 393474 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean to brag, but... < 1383194214 427779 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383194342 675928 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383195691 807623 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a stiff drink < 1383195874 136621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: those are called solids < 1383195880 737606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka food < 1383195901 824064 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will solids numb the pain of other people's stupidity? < 1383195924 640369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some will. i think kmc knows more about that than me. < 1383195958 156366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes this is about an internet debate < 1383195961 281942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote solid | head -n1 < 1383195963 555985 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :245) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1383195973 377928 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never been to stupidity < 1383196038 77949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kmc really as much of a drugz expert as we make him out to be < 1383196081 443191 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he said he took acid the other day. that's like 10000% more expertise than me. < 1383196104 755361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that true i didn't hear about that < 1383196497 143383 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383196582 505344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have jello shots < 1383196590 639848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes I took acid last Saturday < 1383196650 12428 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383196650 255059 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might not take acid very often but he definitely knows the basics < 1383196653 559836 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides under the pun blanket < 1383196657 746548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1383196702 239686 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383196824 390999 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383197677 915928 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383198660 182234 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read your acid-flavoured joke and open a page in firefox (which has esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Random as its default page) and I immediately stumble upon "ACIDIC is an esoteric programming language made by User:iconmaster. " < 1383198737 331276 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383199082 757382 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a143:da81:44df:c8cd QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds < 1383199412 642635 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383199671 919315 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383199701 628486 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383199993 356842 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1383200319 944233 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383200660 177865 :Faris!~faris@41.140.159.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1383200809 741499 :blueupro_!~textual@pool-173-55-119-187.lsanca.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383200865 226844 :blueupro_!~textual@pool-173-55-119-187.lsanca.fios.verizon.net PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1383201683 277583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Owobble < 1383202129 801984 :epichero!~epichero@c-67-185-228-114.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383202261 650231 :epichero!~epichero@c-67-185-228-114.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1383202517 132640 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1383202860 283790 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383205133 629287 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383207517 296389 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383207724 352364 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1383207982 391793 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383208114 401742 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1383208178 68395 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383208436 314759 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383208508 427837 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383208744 858628 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383209518 426485 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383210554 192945 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.244 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1383213038 762278 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383213564 799871 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1383215162 572399 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1383215716 354704 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1383216073 838912 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383216119 875391 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383216133 405155 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383216255 417362 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383216968 787674 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383217517 728233 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1383218675 415704 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383219223 588038 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383219874 156111 :Faris!~faris@41.140.1.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383220238 375068 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383220249 120748 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383220255 246085 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good milk tea morning! < 1383220294 265228 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383220419 555432 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383220724 866611 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383220728 523374 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111118 < 1383221663 706391 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383221958 864841 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111119 < 1383221979 161948 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383222396 170255 :Faris!~faris@41.140.1.156 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1383222804 4298 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383222861 505161 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383223603 955558 :Faris!~faris@41.140.1.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383223780 756106 :Faris!~faris@41.140.1.156 QUIT :Client Quit < 1383224823 145548 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383227466 879669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383227689 762727 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383228387 967597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Committee makes no claims that a program written using trigraphs looks attractive." (C99 Rationale document.) < 1383229387 197019 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ??!??! operator is cute though < 1383229464 570314 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to understand the rationale behind C/C++'s {di,tri}graphs. < 1383229515 726714 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ??!??! do? < 1383229529 528468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/1234596 seems to explain it? < 1383229583 735906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“...this appears to be infeasible for some...” say wut? < 1383229618 723695 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next answer (mentioning 3270es and suchlike) make a little bit more sense. < 1383229623 444254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :??!??! is || < 1383229646 795079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when C was originally standardized not all keyboards/character sets had the necessary characters, I think < 1383229675 503739 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of at least one local corpo that shalln't be named that uses plenties of 3270es. < 1383229695 275040 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1383229701 467801 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a friend had to suffer through them. he's permanently scared from the experience.) < 1383229704 59837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh is that like the classic green screen terminal < 1383229725 107045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "While [trigraphs provide] a solution for the known limitations of EBCDIC (except for the exclamation mark) and ISO/IEC 646, the result is arguably not highly readable." (C99 Rationale, still.) < 1383229759 267322 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBCDIC has no exclamation mark???!?!!!?!!!one!!six??? < 1383229781 350812 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is utterly terrified, which is a very suiting emotion today < 1383229807 580299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that depends on the EBCDIC. < 1383229829 651019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's all kinds of EBCDICs. < 1383229840 819636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The table in the Wikipedia article does include a !. < 1383229915 575494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've done a bit of data entry over some tn3270-for-Windows-over-X.25 thing. < 1383229937 157493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My first summer job, in fact.) < 1383229975 239947 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383229999 140724 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I cite an IRC log < 1383230050 321381 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"personal communication" maybe < 1383230136 635101 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/560/10/ owl has "online interview" and "nonperiodical web document" < 1383230167 279953 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm writing an essay on the impact of On Computable Numbners, With An Application TO The Entscheidungsproblem < 1383230243 956010 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'made hilbert very sad' < 1383230273 901169 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1383230285 688179 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383230301 445900 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1383230313 305703 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if I could talk about ais523's prize-winning proof < 1383230330 540327 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why not. < 1383230339 614123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell you could 'interview' him. < 1383230412 56196 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was thinking < 1383230417 203865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's some joke about "personal communication" in that jokey-methods-of-proof list. < 1383230445 861568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/how-to-prove-it.html "Proof by personal communication: 'Eight-dimensional colored cycle stripping is NP-complete [Karp, personal communication].'" < 1383230588 998367 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383230597 152620 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383230617 8909 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: snort < 1383230638 917763 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to ask my PI how "unpublished data" citations worked but i didn't have the balls < 1383230672 222632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some of the other ones on the page are kind of funny (and perhaps sad-but-true) too.) < 1383230744 896840 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'To see that infinite-dimensional colored cycle stripping is decidable, we reduce it to the halting problem' heh < 1383230913 826783 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383230970 344855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: the person who marks all my core assignments this year is, as it turns out, a total idiot < 1383231002 469627 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383231049 82488 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :/ < 1383231101 1731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent most of an hour-long supervision trying to get her to explain why you couldn't assume that the existence of an eigenvalue implied the existence of a corresponding eigenvector < 1383231236 403939 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1383231243 354197 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eesh < 1383231312 432611 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would an eigenvalue without an eigenvector mean < 1383231751 110251 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111119 < 1383231846 716905 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1383231989 192312 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383232043 784856 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383232065 928029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's a \lambda such that A = \lambda. See, you just leave the vectors out. < 1383232089 287233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well she seemed to take it to mean complex eigenvalues of real matrices < 1383232234 92621 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that just mean you get complex eigenvectors < 1383232290 738215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's like the thing where a root of a polynomial "doesn't exist" (code for "complex")? < 1383232315 21953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383232324 340001 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's silly and complexification is a godsend >_> < 1383232348 931201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :best part was that the question was asking about matrices over an arbitrary field anyway < 1383232351 731924 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no good at linear algebra but i think that it is in fact the same thing < 1383232362 122333 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the field should be algebraically closed bla bla < 1383232379 149589 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383232456 904505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also she marked four of us down because of this and gave another guy who'd used the exact same reasoning full marks < 1383232479 360126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she took two weeks to even manage that much! < 1383232550 941502 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: identify the relevant authorities and file a complaint < 1383232585 161686 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a143:da81:44df:c8cd JOIN :#esoteric < 1383232590 347121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relevant authorities are sadly on strike today < 1383232595 257083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broke a picket line for this farce! < 1383232610 896175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehat's the deal with that anyway < 1383232657 151223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not getting very much of the tuition fees the government keeps jacking up to 'pay for students' education' < 1383232728 591348 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like murka < 1383232736 516832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only < 1383232744 607799 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1383232745 536669 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like canada. < 1383232776 954287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :student loans here are lenient enough that i find it very hard to believe raising fees actually makes any money at all < 1383232854 657003 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn33-137.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1383233226 640941 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1383233462 80579 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1383234209 463796 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383234663 392691 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383234702 93831 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like relcomming somebody... < 1383234739 122025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1383234896 855797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please tell the email spammers i'm not finnish thx < 1383235128 396753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (a friend had to suffer through them. he's permanently scared from the experience.) <-- that might be even worse than being permanently scarred. < 1383235321 930455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the first page of google hits for "permanently scared" contains 2, _maybe_ 3 that are not misspellings. < 1383235338 714547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course personalization yada yada < 1383235384 660795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hit is about us politics, one is about a rat. < 1383235441 371783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome somebody < 1383235446 557060 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09somebody: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1383235464 999923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody is not here < 1383236226 374655 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dodoo < 1383236383 180700 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383236577 339668 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proof by example: The author gives only the case n = 2 and suggests that it contains most of the ideas of the general proof." < 1383236597 228269 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have whole articles that say "we only do the case d=2, the general case is similar" < 1383236614 181175 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reeeeally common < 1383236624 124053 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where d is dimension < 1383236657 610127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course 3 and 4 is where everything usually breaks down < 1383236673 962573 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/license_monads/ this is good but i'll be damned if it hasn't been linked here < 1383236712 53871 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1383236781 820283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sometimes thinks about the uncited "naturality of the pimsner-voiculescu exact sequence" we left in a paper < 1383236799 752472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, because i checked it (eventually) < 1383236825 910863 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure at least 20% of my published results are wrong < 1383236832 735164 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i never do two papers on the same topic < 1383236842 827274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good policy right < 1383236842 975220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might notice < 1383236925 119973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we never found an actual citation, since it's not the kind of thing non-category theorists would care to prove. < 1383236971 329685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just keep track of the morphism in the usual proof. < 1383236987 969118 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah obviously < 1383237012 969705 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw that was sarcasm) < 1383237024 922842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well things have to be natural if you aren't doing something requiring arbitrary choices. < 1383237029 738111 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383237032 553696 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw we sent a paper to ergodic theory and dynamical systems, did i mention < 1383237042 794432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1383237064 458525 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the referee said we suck and that we should cite these 6 papers on orbit equivalence and other largely unrelated topics < 1383237089 898682 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably did but i'm a bit tired and cannot recall who i told this story < 1383237113 42129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you did mention a referee saying you sucked < 1383237141 210646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that some of the papers were by my advisor < 1383237151 467503 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1383237155 972769 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i talked about it < 1383237176 131581 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :journals have really annoying referees < 1383237198 820140 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never find any actual errors, but they can still nag endlessly < 1383237242 332959 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually about errors) < 1383237257 900869 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but like little ones that no one cares about) < 1383237263 653450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we once had a paper that was rejected for what we thought were lousy reasons, next time we submitted we explicitly asked them exclude a particular person as referee ("for priority reasons") and it went straight through. < 1383237305 814220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for priority reasons? < 1383237341 160299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well theoretically that's supposed to mean that that person might be competing with us over the proof we're submitting, i think < 1383237380 38703 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383237384 486694 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not know < 1383237387 75056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my collaborator who had the hunch to do this, anyway < 1383237440 943556 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper about substitutions was rejected because we didn't discuss existing methods < 1383237443 951608 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1383237459 744024 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is we haven't read _anything_ on the topic < 1383237468 860896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maths bitching! < 1383237484 720384 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean why would we right, clearly they're doing something wrong since this problem was open < 1383237548 601236 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but mainly it's all some weird spectral/ergodic stuff and i don't understand it) < 1383237594 34416 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah probably there's some little detail that we skipped that breaks the whole proof and all that literature is about solving that little thing < 1383237629 797656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the person marking like half of my assignments this year took two weeks to mark a linear algebra assignment < 1383237639 298094 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i heard, that's a bit silly < 1383237654 58430 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a coincidence, i checked 100 linear algebra exams today < 1383237657 145633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly silly < 1383237668 34511 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but just one out of four problems) < 1383237708 330549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sounds like when i had a breakdown while TA'ing, did basically the same thing and they had to pass it on to someone else < 1383237777 867282 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383237781 385642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's been doing this for three years! < 1383237788 644093 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think laziness is more common than breaking down though < 1383237853 69466 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem i checked was something like prove that {(x,y,z) | y = 5x-3z} is a subspace of R^3 < 1383237859 176973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah all the people you are calling lazy are really having breakdowns < 1383237866 438631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it takes her this long to mark 3 calculation questions and an easy proof then I don't think I'm ever going to get any analysis marks back this term. < 1383237869 345648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :really slow ones < 1383237925 720678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah finally i got that piece stuck between my teeth < 1383237935 926308 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also you had to find a basis for something like {(2a+b,a+b-c,-a-c,4a+b) | a,b,c \in R} < 1383237965 518838 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm {(2a+b,a+b-c,-a-c,4a+2b) | a,b,c \in R} < 1383238001 383695 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people said something like 2(2a+b) = 4a+2b, so you can drop 4a+2b. thus, 2a+b, a+b-c and -a-c are the basis. < 1383238034 44949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1383238180 761705 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some took the vectors (2,1,-1,4), (1,1,0,2), (0,-1,-1,0), and checked that they are linearly independent, thus a basis < 1383238192 866255 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well that's a bit hard to show since it's false" you might say < 1383238195 977690 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, it's easy < 1383238207 530101 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just compute the determinant of the matrix whose rows are those three vectors < 1383238229 929492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1383238287 138969 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1383238301 539499 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was -30 < 1383238334 899939 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one of them were, it has multiple different determinants < 1383238341 747880 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1383238376 202807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it is a generating set < 1383238473 51035 :Guest62574!~pinky@pool-98-113-151-156.nycmny.fios.verizon.net NICK :ralz < 1383238476 357953 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i basically gave two points out of 12 if you managed to take that finite generating set and say it's a basis/generating set. < 1383238476 503232 :ralz!~pinky@pool-98-113-151-156.nycmny.fios.verizon.net NICK :realz < 1383238483 304839 :realz!~pinky@pool-98-113-151-156.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1383238483 450113 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1383238508 713477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, oh my god < 1383238549 766846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they were taking the determinant of a 4x3 matrix?? < 1383238572 55309 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383238581 351445 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that many students on the course are philosophers and such < 1383238581 972699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy if you're determined enough < 1383238596 887663 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a separate linear algebra course for math people < 1383238603 751420 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they also suck i guess) < 1383238606 374587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383238618 993859 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was confused for a while what the determinant of the 4x3 matrix would be < 1383238622 287633 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's shoppe time now < 1383238623 240382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone sucks at different levels < 1383238631 1043 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was missing something first.. < 1383238636 989871 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :were* < 1383238711 737086 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a notion of determinant where the determinant would be something like the volume of the image < 1383238757 194801 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like there's a hausdorff measure but when it's zero, you can compute the (d-1)-dimensional measure and such < 1383238923 726215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is, that won't be basis independent < 1383238970 756512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you stretch the space in a direction normal to the image < 1383238999 607339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :composing that with your matrix won't change it < 1383239914 179395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Contrary to what you might believe, I don't know all email scammers personally. < 1383240073 267200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I've got some students coming to meet me tomorrow morning, eugh.) < 1383240211 128747 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383240544 804873 :Lymia!~moe@tccd250-2.tccd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383240544 990111 :Lymia!~moe@tccd250-2.tccd.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1383240544 990291 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1383240584 574896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shocking < 1383241049 759278 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383241215 122826 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383241314 377635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1383241336 886697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383242265 199902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383242354 481410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383242373 692317 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a143:da81:44df:c8cd QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383242390 378844 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a143:da81:44df:c8cd JOIN :#esoteric < 1383242396 822386 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch and multiple things and lots of rain and halloween preparations and... < 1383242457 963129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1383242492 593967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a foog? < 1383242529 115303 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not usre < 1383242530 612495 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure < 1383242536 916187 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an unfoog is a /dev/null/nethack clan < 1383242560 163476 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1383242757 719299 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383242928 489912 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383243122 741766 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1383243919 934217 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1383243920 879868 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1383243921 193489 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :*.net *.split < 1383244077 936854 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383244554 184749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1383244655 366093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383245087 194316 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383245429 948186 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383245516 195922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could make an image (with a data: URI) behave so (in Chromium) that the "Open Image in New Tab" and "Save Image As..." options of the context menu are grayed out? It didn't used to do that, before. < 1383245523 583306 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383245549 458028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just removed the feature to save data: urls? < 1383245574 783897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I mean, it worked like two days ago. < 1383245590 928422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though perhaps I upgraded the browser. I guess that's possible. < 1383245710 186990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1383245749 766763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1383245776 748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make it an instead, and right-click that link, I get a "He's dead, Jim!" Chromium crash page. < 1383245798 384408 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you... *puts on glasses*... up-grayed your browser... < 1383245827 6414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't a-get it. < 1383245847 977174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgraded with gray. < 1383245864 430990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's some way to get an actual error message corresponding to the he's-dead thing. < 1383245873 856946 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides under his desk in shame < 1383245886 404853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it should be upgrayeded as in more-grayed-made < 1383245909 887418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, I get *that*. < 1383245916 88855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't get is why it behaves like this. < 1383245945 132778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just upgrade it further. Can't get any worse, right? < 1383245970 760506 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dons a hazmat suit and gets in a bunker < 1383245980 281108 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead! nothing bad can happen! < 1383246179 819891 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383246199 385240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1383246207 371951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't get worse, but it didn't get any better either. < 1383246262 824019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A non-gray "print..." selection seems to have appeared in the context menu, but other than that it's still the same, and right-clicking the link still crashes the page. < 1383246365 221476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=97108 should work fine, as far as I can tell. < 1383246631 803426 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1383246666 215367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if I make the element have a download="foo.png" attribute -- which "Can be used with blob: URLs and data: URLs, to make it easy for users to download content that is generated programmatically" -- Chromium still crashes when I click the link. < 1383246672 521628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it must be some sort of a bug. < 1383246673 821422 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383246912 449136 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1383246944 75750 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. on my chromium “open in new tab” and “save as...” both work, but I have to double-right-click to open the contextual menu... < 1383246962 27238 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(version 30.0.1599.114) < 1383246983 435902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it *worked* in this same Chromium. But I might be wrong about that. I'm sure it worked on a Google Chrome. < 1383247043 584592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a plain "data:text/plain;charset=UTF-8,hello world" link (not , of course) behaves well (doesn't crash when right-clicked, saves to disk when left-clicked), but not the thing I get from canvas.toDataURL('image/png');. < 1383247059 834591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though it works in img.src fine.) < 1383247091 354818 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1383247096 103415 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/2013091200] < 1383247120 495566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be some sort of a length-related thing. < 1383247127 189197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because when it's a small picture, it works fine. < 1383247150 289569 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383247169 340966 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383247178 226793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to binary-search the exact limit. (If there is one.) < 1383247181 910039 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383247199 465890 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version are you running? < 1383247207 187039 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383247478 192721 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1383247483 115261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :30.0.1599.101, apparently. < 1383247536 800736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can manage a .png of up to 1572663 bytes, but the next step larger from there goes and crashes. < 1383247549 424201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1572663*4/3 -- for base64 < 1383247550 979597 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2096884.0 < 1383247555 101295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**21 < 1383247556 927724 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2097152.0 < 1383247572 334607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go ahead and say it crashes for data: URIs longer than two megabytes. < 1383247595 734035 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-134.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1383247624 422554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The save-as and such also work for smaller images. < 1383247639 464849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be some sort of a designed-in limitation. But that's annoying. < 1383247648 119438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two megs isn't really a whole lot for an image, for one thing. < 1383247696 551585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45395 heh. < 1383247765 929983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The issue we had was that arbitrary length URIs (including data URIs) could easily consume excessive resources in the browser process and cause it to crash. As I remember we originally capped it at 10M, but still found ways to trigger crashes until we capped it at 2M." < 1383247808 561712 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of curious why you want to do this < 1383247843 390968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the obvious reason. I produce an image programmatically, and want to offer a "save it" option. < 1383247892 349380 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-134.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've taken out a book on category theory from my understoo < 1383247896 215803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Chrome doesn't support canvas.toBlob at all, apparently.) < 1383247901 228806 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-134.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1383247912 688239 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-134.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :...university's library < 1383247925 810680 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-134.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may tomorrow ask for help < 1383247947 342802 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there like, javascript jpeg encoders for that? < 1383247960 708187 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1383247987 57197 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :encode image as javascript, kolmogorov minimize that shit < 1383248000 622943 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new age of demosceners!! < 1383248004 627012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the kind of image I'd encode as JPEG. < 1383248028 162028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :canvas.toDataURL could probably produce a JPEG, anyway. < 1383248035 212844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, two megs is two megs. < 1383248037 851265 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, PNG? < 1383248046 792308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PNG is what I'm already producing. < 1383248060 441670 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :encode as xbm, for portability < 1383248075 244088 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i fucking love that format < 1383248099 436133 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :split the canvas in small canvas, then save the smaller images? < 1383248128 571474 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-134.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ascii format like ppm? < 1383248129 124406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm sure the hypothetical user would love getting MxN small images and a popup "please assemble the final result in Gimp or something manually" message. < 1383248160 955114 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-134.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: movie starting < 1383248166 640620 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1383248177 244603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I had a pure-JS PNG encoder, I don't see how a JavaScript encoder could provide a "save as" option except via packing the thing up in a data: URI, in which case I'd run into the same problem. (Unless maybe by making a Blob and a blob object reference URL instead.) < 1383248226 345513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can just take the data: URI and base-64 decode it into blob, that's not hard. < 1383248247 154541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also shortcuttable if someone bothers to add canvas.toBlob at some point.) < 1383248331 117340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could encode it as ascii instead of base-64? < 1383248357 308871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can choose what canvas.toDataURL produces. < 1383248358 244906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it shorter < 1383248385 721848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I could un-base64, theoretically, I guess. Still, it's just that 4/3 factor. < 1383248409 649555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just not care. Two megs should be enough for everyone. < 1383248410 428341 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383248862 742865 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Yonkie < 1383248865 489828 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Yonkie: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1383249051 972198 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383249265 463398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, the blob method (via base64 decoding the canvas.toDataURI string, packing it up in a Blob, and doing URL.createObjectURL for the image) works just fine even for large images. < 1383249352 265551 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody gave me a rainbow welcome.. < 1383249364 270117 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome mrhmouse < 1383249367 138857 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13mrhmouse: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1383249380 756844 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone gets welcomes, and some people get like, 7 welcomes < 1383249388 649277 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, like, a distribution centered around one welcome < 1383249451 590907 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383249471 118277 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.. I don't suppose Plugnburn is here under a different name? < 1383249486 502655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a... Poisson distribution? < 1383249492 133828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Many things are.) < 1383249501 284944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish < 1383249504 198668 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383249504 492636 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel regulars tend to get welcomed a lot < 1383249507 442005 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poisson or Laplacian maybe? < 1383249517 424959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ais523\unfoog < 1383249519 935369 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07ais523\unfoog: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1383249560 536071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know how make a discrete Laplacian, or give someone non-integral welcomes. < 1383249584 318576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like, round to nearest? < 1383249602 436760 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone should make a fractional welcome script. < 1383249606 837894 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run relcome fizzie | head -c 100 < 1383249609 647353 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09fizzie: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06lang < 1383249612 750209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1383249630 308413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: That's still quite discrete. (If admittedly non-integral.) < 1383249644 966499 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a rational welcome < 1383249652 204841 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run relcome fizzie | head -c $RANDOM < 1383249655 335607 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09fizzie: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1383249667 870132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that was spectacular < 1383249697 390809 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run relcome | sed `s/\(..\)\(.\)\(.*\)/\1\3/g' < 1383249698 484155 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1383249705 315117 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run relcome | sed 's/\(..\)\(.\)\(.*\)/\1\3/g' < 1383249707 861398 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1383249717 286955 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I can't sed < 1383249731 675257 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is going on. I leave my desk for like 5 mins top, and what do I see? < 1383249732 99149 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: libcurl might be more than 26 single-letter languages, that's really something a compact camera can offer that most slrs don't remember < 1383249745 634270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: huh? cameras support unicode now? < 1383249746 9994 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: huh.......interesting....... doesn't everyone have an imaginary part and a little bit take some time to play with some preliminary stuff at http://chicken.humankraft.com/ fnord < 1383249747 740187 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run relcome | sed 's/\(..\)\(.\)/\1/g' < 1383249750 347637 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0Wecoe 02o 06he1ineratonl 04ub0fo 8eotri 9pogamin 2lngag 6dsin 13nd0delomet!0Fo 8mre0inoraton 2cec 6ot 13ur0wii:0htp:/eolng.og/ik/MinPae.0(Fr 09he0oter0kid 13f 04soerca 7ty 08esteic0on0ir.dl.et) < 1383249764 139132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. it's like, half a welcome. < 1383249764 285216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was very nice. < 1383249772 971179 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh, so the support is imaginary. guess I didn't have to expect much more from hardware manufacturers. < 1383249773 145430 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm not insulting him, etc. what have i been using display? < 1383249787 202880 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: some samsung monitor, 1920×1080. < 1383249789 718392 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think you're better of with applying rainwords *after* that sed line < 1383249794 914053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that makes sense. < 1383249804 216645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: To be entirely honest, your box is actually headless. < 1383249804 388478 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm getting an " fnord jump instruction", i don't even know < 1383249806 348172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | sed 's/\(..\)\(.\)/\1/g' | rainwords < 1383249809 82397 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Wecoe 02o 06heineratonl 13ubfo 04eotri 07pogamin 08lngag 09dsin 02nddelomet!Fo 06mreinoraton 13cec 04ot 07urwii:htp:/eolng.og/ik/MinPae.(Fr 08heoterkid 09f 02soerca 06ty 13esteiconir.dl.et) < 1383249817 426209 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :08esteiconir.dl.et sounds like a fishy page < 1383249817 689797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that works better <.<; < 1383249829 478311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Oh, I thought it was kind of better the way it was. < 1383249853 947473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.et is apparently a TLD < 1383249877 263175 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the urwii:htp protocol is < 1383249908 102521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is all about eotri pogamin lngag!! < 1383249916 286426 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383249918 928099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.og is sadly not a TLD. < 1383249923 255873 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any ethiopian domains out there? I never seen any. < 1383249923 717675 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that the parens are still matched < 1383249934 931496 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: since when do you paren match? < 1383249935 76698 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord doesn't seem to work correctly < 1383249948 459325 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot.... < 1383249948 611733 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: then i can set up something more... usual for later. < 1383249952 569802 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh. continue not fnording, then, if there's a conflict between the two. < 1383249952 898305 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mfa.gov.et/ ? < 1383249953 43699 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that sounds like a huge, bloated program referred to as 2006. e3 can be referred to as ' stem cells' haven't been proven to be. i've not gotten my head around < 1383249979 598171 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfsdfd they use the tag < 1383249980 547992 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wooooah... < 1383250002 266580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: marquee is the best html tag < 1383250010 688785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : very classy. < 1383250021 693495 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1383250069 905753 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whacks fizzie with the reification of an animated .gif background < 1383250070 401196 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383250074 306471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really shoud get on with it and go with style="marquee-style: alternate; marquee-speed: fast; marquee-play-count: infinite;" or something. < 1383250079 242275 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I prefer blink. fun fact, "hello".blink() in most JS engines gives you "hello" < 1383250112 342138 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's et, estonia? < 1383250120 459630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethiopia I believe < 1383250130 924148 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethiopia. "darn, i was close" < 1383250133 405231 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: estonia is .ee. < 1383250139 272630 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. .es is spain < 1383250141 730208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a lot of .ee domains out there. < 1383250151 152533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eesti! < 1383250152 799782 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's an internationalized domain name thingie in ge'ez < 1383250165 301924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eesti Vabariik. < 1383250234 481628 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i18ned domain names are fun! http://西貢租盤.香港/ < 1383250265 505110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eesti Nõukogude Sotsialistlik Vabariik < 1383250267 926842 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1383250282 978317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.онлайн/ would be the hottest for the wiki. < 1383250285 326971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I really do have to learn Estonian) < 1383250302 484371 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really? < 1383250303 735559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly esolangs.сайт. Or both! < 1383250310 939733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh I had forgotten that estonian uses õ < 1383250331 338644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you're not allowed to mix scripts, though :/ < 1383250332 792254 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383250339 780620 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as o with tilde every time and i hate it < 1383250346 248049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is... < 1383250350 671219 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1383250356 958974 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :őõ < 1383250359 468077 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :son of a bitch. < 1383250369 203668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we could be эсолангс.сайт < 1383250375 854507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ő_õ < 1383250386 184374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a welcome.ru? < 1383250393 207550 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ŏ_ŏ... < 1383250393 352829 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.ru < 1383250395 202824 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.ru? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1383250396 799899 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dag < 1383250408 231961 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who speaks Russian in this chännel? < 1383250408 649882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ЕсоЛангс.онлайн then. < 1383250443 356597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't see you said that already. < 1383250453 692833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Had to pick letters from gucharmap laboriously, I don't have a system set up.) < 1383250471 844439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Google Translate's transliterate-as-i-type feature < 1383250494 484054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done one course's worth of Russian at the university. < 1383250506 959996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough to make a proper welcome.ru, though. < 1383250509 643549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really should be эсꙮлангс.сайт < 1383250545 297338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esquarelangs.site? < 1383250549 74693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you type in Google Translate to get ꙮ? < 1383250561 601726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode ꙮ # what else could it be? < 1383250563 510363 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1383250639 351731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/unidecode < 1383250641 768811 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/unidecode < 1383250666 890273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode abcdef < 1383250668 840048 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0062 LATIN SMALL LETTER B] [U+0063 LATIN SMALL LETTER C] [U+0064 LATIN SMALL LETTER D] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0066 LATIN SMALL LETTER F] < 1383250674 410213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1383250682 937331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn Python's new .format() < 1383250686 625075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that Rust has adopted similar syntax < 1383250693 366847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode эсꙮлангс.сайт < 1383250695 183134 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1383250709 828439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode эсꙮлангс.сайт < 1383250711 618849 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+044D CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER E] [U+0441 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ES] [U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+043B CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EL] [U+0430 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER A] [U+043D CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EN] [U+0433 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE] [U+0441 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ES] [U+002E FULL STOP] [U+0441 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ES] [U+0430 CYRILLIC S < 1383250759 190454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wp even says "Not to be confused with Ő, O with double acute." < 1383250766 103203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you disobeying them?? < 1383250791 672684 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with the completely normal letter ö" < 1383250808 351823 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1383250824 941873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Even in the Encyclopædia Britannica one can find "ostrov Khiuma", where "ostrov" means "island" in Russian and "Khiuma" is back-transliteration from Russian instead of "Hiiumaa" (Hiiumaa>Хийума(а)>Khiuma).' < 1383250849 205267 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it just me or are the rules for when variable settings in a parfor affect the surrounding context... kind of obscure < 1383250899 133174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I've never really bothered to got the hang of them, which perhaps says something. < 1383250912 147241 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. < 1383250919 211546 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering if this running average will work. < 1383250925 382295 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, i'll just try it, that's totally sensible < 1383250946 56868 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mlint hits them. i uh, think. < 1383250946 908084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If I want something out from a parfor loop (that doesn't go in a file), I just make outputs = cell(n, 1); and put outputs{ix} = stuff; inside. < 1383250958 269752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to work sensibly. < 1383251119 528179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Estonian also has an ö that makes, well, an ö (/ø/). The õ is the /ɤ/ instead. < 1383251152 488422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did I already mention what I hate about parfor dispatching? < 1383251158 955836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh is this MATLAB again? < 1383251165 720804 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1383251165 877266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always MATLAB. < 1383251168 211931 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't think so < 1383251219 505995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It decides on a uniform distribution of loop indices to workers a priori, assuming every iteration takes constant time, even though it still keeps in touch with all the workers dynamically (for moving data back and forth) and could therefore just as easily give them loop indices as they become free. < 1383251249 970472 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1383251257 969703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently if you do parfor f = 1:nfiles; processafile(files{f}); end and the files are, say, audio files with different durations, some of the workers will finish earlier and then just lay idle for hours. < 1383251351 132561 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383251351 278212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially if there's some pathological pattern instead of random variation in the durations, since it always allocates every N'th index to a particular worker, unless I misremember.) < 1383251363 224871 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's sound player is doing something weird, sounds like it's starting twice when I click play < 1383251382 985149 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes more than twice, with a varying delay < 1383251406 146536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe they applied a Steve Reich remix to all their sound tidbits? < 1383251444 326281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, how does that sound? < 1383251473 170155 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://youtu.be/FcFyl8amoEE < 1383251746 732510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should've hidden the clappers in the audience < 1383252007 48954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh. Well, *that* explains it. I had some OCRemix Mega Man thing -- http://mm25.ocremix.org/ -- playing in another tab. < 1383252015 672763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made that YouTube link quite different. < 1383252025 410307 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mathworks.com/support/solutions/en/data/1-188VX/index.html sigh < 1383252029 59090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why it was already playing things when they were obviously just setting up. < 1383252090 834286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since UNIX uses asynchronous signals, it is possible to break out of any operation and into the signal handler at any time." Well, now, that's not quite true. < 1383252107 978874 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it contradicts itself later. < 1383252108 904088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I've been in situations where ^C in MATLAB (in Linux) did nothing in particular. < 1383252214 88001 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps MATLAB is just ignoring the signals? < 1383252239 461450 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1383252350 153133 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383252616 76181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just ignore the signals < 1383252624 453868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that does not work < 1383252631 531377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can setjmp out of a sigsegv < 1383252647 175291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly sigkill as well < 1383252658 860804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not two sigkills < 1383252668 651999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like jumping out of a crashing helicopter seconds before it explodes < 1383252676 526460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can't trap SIGKILL < 1383252682 604126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1383252693 845578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad :( < 1383252697 523144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1383252708 402035 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing ctrl-c might happen if like, there's a signal handler, but the signal handler can get stuck, right? < 1383252721 386518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like maybe ctrl-c calls a handler that says "start terminating the current operation cleanly" < 1383252730 502606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrlc is SIGTERM? < 1383252730 647987 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the termination gets stuck then ctrl-c just doesn't do anything < 1383252737 799808 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so...? < 1383252759 520800 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can setjmp out of a sigsegv" well, thanks for reminding me that it's not just matlab that's terrifying, i guess < 1383252759 748778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes < 1383252768 815641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ignore sigterm < 1383252778 433886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^C is SIGINT, I thought < 1383252778 587724 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you can ignore everything except... sigkill and sigstop? < 1383252795 964514 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigfuckoff < 1383252807 229764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGSAUER < 1383252810 123898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... huh, SIGINT and SIGTERM are different things < 1383252810 670220 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you the francophone guy < 1383252817 239647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that someone else with a B < 1383252824 165407 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of boily, probably < 1383252827 874958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383252834 942071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Danke < 1383252844 702725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah... there's also SIGQUIT < 1383252855 529734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The SIGQUIT signal is similar to SIGINT, except that it's controlled by a different key—the QUIT character, usually C-\—and produces a core dump when it terminates the process, just like a program error signal. You can think of this as a program error condition “detected” by the user. ' < 1383252863 829491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1383252874 804237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that like, ask the process to core dump, or does the shell do that? < 1383252883 918359 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OS I guess < 1383252892 90856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1383252899 430448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might just be the default disposition involves coredumping < 1383252899 576120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds kinda convenient actually < 1383252905 934813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except coredumps are usually disabled globally < 1383252906 681822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jvm traps quit and dumps stack traces for all threads < 1383252912 525681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that's a ulimit you can raise < 1383252926 61163 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've remembered having to futz with ulimits a lot to try to get a core dump of a running process that's infinite looping or something >_< < 1383252940 805690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Missing ^C can also easily happen when multiple processes are involved. < 1383252949 252315 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1383252957 884205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved that Linux coredump crontab.d vulnerability.... < 1383252964 766312 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh. SIGBUS is when the memory address doesn't exist < 1383252974 751786 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of when it's just protected < 1383252978 927499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you could make a setuid root process dump core in /etc/cron.d/ < 1383252991 284129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my cases have been the kind of things where you have a for i = 1:bignumber; dosomething(i); end where dosomething involves a system() call or something, and you can't get ^c in fast enough to get one passed over to MATLAB instead of the executed process. < 1383252999 791021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cron daemon will gladly ignore megabytes of binary garbage preceeding and following a legitimate crontab entry < 1383253004 145895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except with an out-of-band kill.) < 1383253005 963081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{POSTEL'S LAW} < 1383253024 479395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ah, interesting < 1383253040 835376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I almost never get SIGBUS on x86 Linux... it's common on OS X though, for things that would be segfaults on Linux < 1383253047 915759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGBUS is whatever SIGBUS wants to be. (Sometimes it's bad alignment.) < 1383253048 153536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a pretty arbitrary distinction < 1383253059 731054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh gohs, I looked up that vulnerability < 1383253060 571284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly SIGFPE is used mainly for /integer/ arithmetic errors < 1383253061 407164 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so evil < 1383253063 325474 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentleman, i present you: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wolfgang < 1383253069 841802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that was the vuln that motivated the creation of Ksplice < 1383253079 361970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, that makes sooo little sense to me. SIGFPE is.... integer divide by zero??? < 1383253082 487620 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, which gentleman < 1383253092 313927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a SIPB server that Jeff Arnold admined got pwned between the announcement of the vuln and the update window < 1383253093 120611 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think maybe sigfpe is overloaded for um. floating point exceptions? I'm not sure, I've never actually turned them on < 1383253096 17477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think systems on architectures with actual alignment restrictions generally do SIGBUS on bad alignment. < 1383253098 605941 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: bonjour! j'étais momentanément absent, mais je suis de retour. < 1383253099 814827 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: dunno < 1383253104 642060 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: nice little thing though < 1383253137 226239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah, divide by zero, or INT_MIN / -1 < 1383253146 295092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter is a corner case that people almost never think about) < 1383253146 731302 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh, right, that latter one is extra evil < 1383253149 746643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1383253253 12692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get SIGFPE (on x86) also if you manage to overflow a division, which isn't possible (except for the /-1 case) when the operands are equally wide as the result, but the underlying division has a double-wide numerator. < 1383253263 993243 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the variance of two summed datasets equal the sum of the variances of the sets? < 1383253300 57120 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like yes as long as they're not correlated...? < 1383253302 100014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Var(X + Y) = Var(X) + Var(Y) + 2 Cov(X, Y) < 1383253342 3470 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, these probably aren't actually uncorrelated, guess i shouldn't risk it < 1383253366 532752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'int d(int x) { asm("div %0" : : "r" (x), "a" (0), "d" (-1)); } int main(void) { return d(1); }' | gcc -x c - -o /tmp/x; /tmp/x; rm /tmp/x < 1383253369 520854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/daala/demo1.shtml (through demo4.shtml) shows off some really cool video codec work < 1383253369 666101 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 1: 293 Floating point exception/tmp/x < 1383253375 724075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from my friends at Mozilla Research) < 1383253386 62546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about video codecs but it's interestingly different from what I do know < 1383253394 512039 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cov(x), if X is a vector, returns the variance" thanks < 1383253401 757817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran across Daala the other day from that article about Cisco doing that thing w.r.t. H.264. < 1383253412 484293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :overlapping, variable-size blocks, intra-frame prediction in frequency domain < 1383253427 216300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, so like. "idiv" can overflow if your denominator is 1 and your numerator is 64-bit? < 1383253431 101727 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'll sigfpe? < 1383253466 450320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the approach for avoiding block artifacts is to apply a reversible filter before encoding which makes the video extra blocky < 1383253479 712580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow this works and is a more principled way to approach the ad-hoc deblocking that all codecs do < 1383253520 592416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "idiv" and "div" both, yes. And of course for all operand sizes. It's just that you can't (generally) get a well-behaving compiler to perform a 64x32-to-32 (or 32x16-to-16, or 16x8-to-8) division, since if one operand is 64 bits, it's going to go with 64x64-to-64. (Implemented using the 128x64-to-64 one, or with software.) < 1383253522 936106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it does chroma-from-luma prediction < 1383253538 705133 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn33-137.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1383253598 343829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again in the frequency domain) < 1383253604 104267 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a143:da81:44df:c8cd QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds < 1383253695 536295 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, have to check if it's turing complete < 1383253713 324739 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is 'it'? < 1383253726 910649 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wolfgang < 1383253734 124504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is < 1383253828 919164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: j'ais commencé d'apprendre le francais de nouveau ;) < 1383254029 191530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gosh. that is so freaky. I guess that explains why compmilers don't like to use it < 1383254033 157083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: c'est bien! < 1383254044 842263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :si tu es d'accord je demanderai toi de temps en temps si j'ais besoin d'aide < 1383254128 570927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It's a common (FSVO) cause of questions from people who are puzzled why their "div x" is misbehaving (because they've not properly zeroed or sign-extended-to ah/dx/edx/rdx). < 1383254162 161810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh. < 1383254171 504954 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I figured that would be an issue but I had no idea it would misbehave quite that badly < 1383254213 192109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there like, security vulnerabilities because of SIGFPEs? < 1383254234 547628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1383254244 315255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it just terminate? < 1383254253 411899 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could like, DoS a server? < 1383254265 763344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383254267 923065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383254275 346672 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can trick a server into divbyzero < 1383254285 246655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passing in values that'd cause it to do that INT_MIN / -1 thing sounds feasible. < 1383254287 81853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do INT_MIN / -1 < 1383254293 23061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://www.exploringbinary.com/php-hangs-on-numeric-value-2-2250738585072011e-308/ < 1383254299 706180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds feasible to crash a server yes < 1383254304 105155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which created a lot of remote DoS vulns < 1383254306 443410 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh. that thing. < 1383254317 360614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think immediately of how SIGFPE could have a worse consequence than DoS, but there probably is a way < 1383254320 802410 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x87's endless wonderfulness~ < 1383254339 570236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the io.sts levels is a contrived program where the SIGFPE handler gives you a shell and you have to come up with a way to hit it without dividing by zero < 1383254351 331394 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneaky < 1383254352 500787 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what happens if you divide by zero? < 1383254397 294633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: main() takes two numbers on the command line, and divides them, but only if the second is nonzero < 1383254406 719355 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383254411 288246 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really really contrived :) < 1383254412 156019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a setuid program (that's the point of exploiting it) so you can't just change that behavior < 1383254415 164613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1383254443 740930 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383254463 762363 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383254475 313279 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's any other solution, it probably involves a parser abuse < 1383254485 953993 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: pas de problème. je suis toujours ouvert! < 1383254603 499301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you mean exploiting atoi()? < 1383254629 890470 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, well IIRC atoi doesn't handle error that well… < 1383254668 119012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some awesome JS engine security holes arising from NaN boxing and string -> float conversions which would let the attacker specify the unused NaN bit < 1383254670 674168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok < 1383254671 143584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1383254682 58581 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1383254776 760056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :o any good links on that? < 1383254816 655111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wingolog.org/archives/2011/05/18/value-representation-in-javascript-implementations talks about NaN boxing < 1383254849 330431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9435338/what-is-the-aim-of-js-canonicalize-nan-in-spidermonkey-engine < 1383254857 188559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a link about the vuln though < 1383254886 343643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, fixnums. it's like lisp < 1383254935 889536 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anyway, the other way of looking at NaN-boxing is that there are 264 - 248 values in a pointer that aren't being used, and we might as well stuff something in them, and hey, the whole space of valid double precision numbers fits!" < 1383254940 369521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that is. phenomenally evil < 1383254950 665353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2^64 - 2^48 < 1383255100 387146 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383255102 184920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1383255112 846339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that about non-used pointer? < 1383255142 878757 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the thing where like, most systems only have like 48 out of 64 address bits available? < 1383255152 176174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual < 1383255159 956598 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thingy < 1383255164 853861 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1383255169 461344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1383255179 769452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't actually 64bit systems/ < 1383255200 621828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it would require a lot more space for page tables to support a full 64-bit space < 1383255209 499240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tree would be deeper < 1383255216 81863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one concern anyway < 1383255219 578182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also just more wires on the chip < 1383255228 967456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how paging works in longmode < 1383255235 263513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I don't know about in general, I know about AMD64 specifically < 1383255249 976347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on architectures with soft-filled TLBs the pagetable thing wouldn't be an issue < 1383255254 970829 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're "64-bit" in the sense that like, the native register size is 64-bit? just it saves hardware to not support 2^64 possible addresses or something < 1383255272 436697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD64 has this notion of "canonical address" where the 16 unused address bits have to match the top one < 1383255278 297445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you dereference a pointer < 1383255284 878177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is to prevent people from abusing those bits for tagging tricks < 1383255291 778305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they won't break forwards-compat < 1383255335 615285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2012/06/13/the-intel-sysret-privilege-escalation/ an interesting vuln arising from that feature and from subtle differences between Intel's and AMD's implementation of x86_64 < 1383255370 160109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: of course even if the hardware supports full 64-bit virtual addresses, you might decide to leave some of the space unmapped to use it for tag bits < 1383255379 173008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then (as on AMD64) you would need to mask those out before deref'ing < 1383255405 655845 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, intel actually /lets/ you dereference those invalid addresses? O_O < 1383255409 423435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1383255421 82882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oh, you mean amd64 as in 64-bit < 1383255424 258952 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not amd's implementation < 1383255426 406798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1383255429 162956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1383255431 872478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confused < 1383255447 86850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel and AMD chips differ regarding what happens when executing SYSRET if RCX is a non-canonical address < 1383255465 757756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh. < 1383255481 784630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, regarding whether the exception is thrown in the old or the new privilege mode < 1383255499 653500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So if the guest can induce the hypervisor to have a non-canonical RIP to return to, it can set the RSP to any value it wants to in hypervisor memory, and get the hardware (in delivering a #GP) to overwrite it. This can in turn be leveraged into a full exploit (the details of which are left as an exercise to the reader)." < 1383255555 760771 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ wow < 1383255555 990178 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow < 1383255560 984796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1383255562 219242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, lambdabot agrees < 1383255571 853827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah, this wasn't just a vuln in Xen either; it hit a lot of OSes at various times < 1383255637 281503 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: halloween! < 1383255639 286378 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383256147 573771 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383256362 324738 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, parfor almost makes everything more sensible, since suddenly matlab has to be able to do lexical analysis. < 1383256427 667511 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383256463 311755 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383256749 381102 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383256996 773618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just used "MATLAB" and "sensible" in the same sentence < 1383257019 491633 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also used "almost" and "more" < 1383257043 571694 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's any consolation it only rejects the hard to analyze code at runtime instead of telling me in lint. < 1383257056 526635 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks MATLAB < 1383257058 129618 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, MATLAB. ThATLAB. < 1383257062 526137 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed. < 1383257063 802138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That lab. < 1383257072 65671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That labbiest lab. < 1383257089 23347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :L*a*b* < 1383257119 295288 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383257152 378421 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1383257715 571453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MATL*a*b* colorspace is perceptually uniform but also does numerical computing. < 1383257785 891519 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1383257820 120296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1383257876 33626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie do you like video codecs < 1383257883 174633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should read the links i sent about Daala < 1383257953 20974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should read The Illuminatus! Trilogy < 1383257963 701090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you definitely should < 1383257967 899825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no maybe about it < 1383258061 16578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: [23:04:08] I ran across Daala the other day from that article about Cisco doing that thing w.r.t. H.264. < 1383258068 906490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Already doned it! < 1383258076 728006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1383258097 113321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I missed you saying that < 1383258097 824464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, I kind of glanced over some parts of it.) < 1383258098 883589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should i read it before or after i learn all of maths < 1383258184 974575 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need to know math to read illuminatus, now < 1383258207 1928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a fungot of math will serve, I think < 1383258207 291295 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes; you can just drive her crazy!! crazy!!! fnord fnord teens fnord fnord fnord < 1383258225 733264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a copy of (the Finnish translation of) The Illuminatus! Trilogy as a birthday present from my mother, I think. (No idea about translation quality.) < 1383258242 211346 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be curious to see how they translated the band names. < 1383258262 158694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could theoretically take a look, it's right here in the bookshelf. < 1383258270 768442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know approximately whereabouts I could find them. < 1383258282 121693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father tried to make me read a copy of _Sinuhe egyptiläinen_ translated into hebrew < 1383258286 192778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't :'( < 1383258306 551305 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, i don't know. it's like a three page long list and i think it's in the last part of the trilogy. < 1383258308 562402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was the one, at least? < 1383258314 272442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read Sinuhe, but on the other hand I'm Finnish. < 1383258323 174027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of required reading. < 1383258325 804240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Finnish! < 1383258326 379941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, maybe not.) < 1383258485 607674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shacha.fi < 1383258535 102914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should i register that < 1383258543 830734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe i could register that but maybe not < 1383258555 103379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need a finnish postal address to register a .fi domain < 1383258584 867087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I found it, and they've not translated the names. < 1383258595 488312 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fie! < 1383258656 112645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kind of need a Finnish postal address. < 1383258664 759711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly a postal address, but something reasonably similar. < 1383258704 459998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will be granted a fi-domain name if you < 1383258704 642751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :are 15 years of age; < 1383258704 642910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a Finnish personal ID number; and < 1383258704 643022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a permanent address in a Finnish municipality. < 1383258704 643133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fi-domain names are granted to < 1383258706 964873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :companies and private entrepreneurs; < 1383258709 469651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish public bodies and state enterprises; < 1383258711 995908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :independent public corporations and public associations; and < 1383258714 502671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :diplomatic missions of a foreign state < 1383258716 990086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :registered with the trade register or the registers of associations or foundations in Finland." < 1383258730 68567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, not to regular people? < 1383258759 399357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are two separate categories. < 1383258772 35423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i meant under the regular people category < 1383258794 29564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the regular people category, you need to fill those first three conditions. < 1383258804 42479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are slightly stricter than just having a postal address. < 1383258805 241944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, i didn't even see those four lines < 1383258811 674164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely missed them < 1383258844 803518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't have a permanent address in a Finnish municipality. < 1383258868 643864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a Finnish personal ID number? < 1383258877 335669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1383258883 57465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fancy. < 1383258887 75733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not know that.) < 1383258889 865698 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is it? < 1383258900 43960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not supposed to reveal those! < 1383258919 896211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you also not supposed to reveal your birth date? < 1383258922 133886 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m sad about that. They’re aking to usernames, not passwords. < 1383258936 945105 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like ssns < 1383258944 132725 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entities keep using them as passwords. < 1383258948 144197 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: s/like // yes < 1383258948 854596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think that's more of a matter of preference. But the latter half is kind of "secret". < 1383258954 809242 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1383258979 181437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought it was just assigned in order to people born on that day. < 1383258987 796627 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was. < 1383258992 323313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's only three digits. < 1383259005 196623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. It's still "secret". < 1383259007 750588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p. bad password imo" < 1383259025 718807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not all that fancy. < 1383259038 616481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You and ion also have one. < 1383259046 206821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millions of people do. < 1383259091 83355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *terribly* secret, but it's a kind of the default opinion that you're not supposed to publicize it, and entities do keep doing the password thing. < 1383259101 519630 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only do entities keep using it as a password, you also have to give it everywhere. < 1383259111 399710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like when ion asks you on IRC. < 1383259113 717301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the health provider for the university employees asks for it as a login key. < 1383259276 838865 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383259305 336438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a second personal ID number ("SATU", "sähköinen asiointitunnus", approximately "electronic services identifier") that people have, but I doubt many people know theirs. (I don't know mine. But it's what the smart ID cards are keyed to, and so on.) < 1383259322 806280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's just random numbers, AIUI. < 1383259398 95818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly it's an incrementing counter instead. < 1383259419 355286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know mine either. < 1383259435 385888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I don't think I've seen any of the new this-millennium "SSN"s yet. < 1383259448 109582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though the oldest people having those are, what, 13 years already? < 1383259448 294226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know mine either. Do I have one? < 1383259470 917235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Depends on time dilation. < 1383259489 644827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those use 'A', right? < 1383259489 790197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It might be allocated on-demand. < 1383259491 421385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo weird < 1383259497 953292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they use A. < 1383259508 997470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using A is just evil. < 1383259518 141124 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shouldn’t use A imo < 1383259524 959680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had + for the 1800s, - for 1900s, A for 2000s and presumably it's going to continue with B, C ... for 2100s, 2200s and so on. < 1383259530 886681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ion's o is the same as my o < 1383259544 133288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shochof: truly < 1383259563 970359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: there's a channel for that < 1383259573 897450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ian" is a perfectly respectable name. < 1383259596 267282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have a national smartcard? < 1383259624 613575 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we use - except sometimes + is used to explicitly indicate "last century" < 1383259627 238424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, but it's used very very rarely. < 1383259649 874405 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a national, official entity that signed your PGP key for proof of identity and perhaps a small price. < 1383259653 757066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check with some friends and try to GCD your keys http://smartfacts.cr.yp.to/ < 1383259663 901213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Most people don't have one, and you can't really use it for all that much, and most people don't have card readers anyway. < 1383259670 3674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383259679 629748 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t have one. < 1383259698 330401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told that British bank cards are smartcards, and if you want to log into your bank website they give you a challenge code and you have to take your smartcard to a shop and put in the code on a reader and get a response (???) < 1383259704 688638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one for a while, but it's only valid for... five years, I think. < 1383259711 472949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe this is only for sending large amounts of money through the website < 1383259727 817983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All our bank cards are smartcards, but they're not generally used for e-banking. < 1383259742 592040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my bank does that < 1383259759 282064 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We tend to use a username, a personal password and a sheet of short OTPs for banking. < 1383259759 745548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, many (most?) Swedish banks generally do use theirs, with inexpensive reader thingies distributed to customers. < 1383259795 973354 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OTPs are used to log in and to confirm transactions. < 1383259812 299371 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to modify some e-banking settings etc. < 1383259812 661655 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I believe so, at least the ones I know of do that < 1383259896 941067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1383259909 448705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shichaf < 1383259913 997747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're in ##categorytheory < 1383259982 472816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some statistics (from a Finnish IT-and-stuff magazine, in a 2007 article) that the government had used 20 million euros for the "electronic ID card" project, and that during 2006, for the tax and social services tasks, people used one in a total of 500 transactions (0.1 % of all), and the costs divided across all e-ID authentications amounted to something like 4000 eur/transaction. < 1383259989 575900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of ungood. < 1383260031 821359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "identify using your e-banking account" has gone to become the de-facto standard for "strong authentication" here. < 1383260054 122655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can change the university account password with one. And do taxes, and apply for social security benefits. < 1383260097 72863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could technically log onto some university workstations with the ID card too (they had some card readers), but I don't know anyone who has gotten that to work, and anyway I think that's gone completely bitrotten and/or disabled nowadays. < 1383260117 756924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _used_ to have a card reader that required inserting my bank card but they discontinued those, so now i have one that you only push a button. (what they _really_ want us to do now is to use a smartphone with an app but i don't have one.) < 1383260122 534632 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what kind of authentication do you use for online payments? < 1383260127 875333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :password < 1383260132 847740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolamerica < 1383260134 618634 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1383260141 120319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may set or change the password via the VETUMA service, using either your Internetbank or your electronic ID card issued by the Finnish police. You may use the electronic ID card provided you have a card reader." (password.aalto.fi) < 1383260142 576219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/they/my bank/ < 1383260147 228801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I log in from a different computer than usual, it also tries to email or text me a cod < 1383260150 472330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1383260159 527207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and long before that i got otp cards < 1383260161 269273 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my bank tried to text me a cod. < 1383260166 881374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom < 1383260184 749969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd worry about the SMS delivery fees on live fish might < 1383260190 32431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ might// < 1383260192 928690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard Google Nose supports that < 1383260286 481045 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SMS delivery fees on live fish might indeed. < 1383260324 534327 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mighty fees < 1383260350 755818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, the banks take some amount of money from each identification transaction done using the banking accounts, which is kind of a sore point for non-profit organizations that'd also like to support "strong" authentication. < 1383260370 59883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIAUI, the Estonian version of the smartcard ID thing is used really pervasively over there. < 1383260396 379617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, even for signing contracts between private individuals and such. < 1383260416 133285 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1383260509 994605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's also the "electronic ID in your mobile phone" which maybe perhaps has been slowly gaining some traction? < 1383260543 434685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looked up that sinuhe book and found out that the person translating it to swedish was linus torvalds' grandfather < 1383260563 629368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have known that factoid once. < 1383260575 864567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1383260601 789628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1383260603 928360 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1383260678 97980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf 'fun fact 0 = 1\n | fact n = n * fact (n - 1)\n' > wisdom/fun\ fact < 1383260682 487837 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1383260683 477343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1383260685 698394 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 \ | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1383260688 743513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another similar fun fact is that the person who translated the first Foundation book to norwegian was Arne Treholt, a convicted spy. Well unless there are two people by that name. < 1383260688 915952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1383260744 291059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ☝ < 1383260773 743262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a factoid like a typed fact < 1383260790 103790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/horizontal+categorification < 1383260824 240007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: have you been oidified yet < 1383260827 11896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkinoid < 1383260929 664119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm checking that fact seems harder than i though; no article on foundation in the norwegian wikipedia. < 1383260949 210670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun translation fact: the same person is responsible for the Finnish translations of both The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Bored of the Rings. < 1383260970 844012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The Second Foundation has hidden all that knowledge. < 1383260982 584335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds plausible. < 1383260983 608733 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1383261013 554606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was the robots. < 1383261093 698534 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1383261119 357915 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383261210 348948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1N; s/ *//' wisdom/fun\ fact < 1383261214 629791 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1383261220 287346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1383261222 342738 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :funfact 0 = 1 \ | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1383261225 16732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1383261238 205137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1383261241 691943 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1383261257 755029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1N; s/\n *//' wisdom/fun\ fact < 1383261261 396559 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1383261264 281973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1383261266 419259 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1| fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1383261275 811750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. well nearly. < 1383261293 662863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/|/ |/' wisdom/fun\ fact < 1383261297 697569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1383261322 380960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a simpler way of joining lines together in a pipe. < 1383261327 400021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint, hint) < 1383261362 121933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i suppose that doesn't help with -i editing much. < 1383261366 538889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which sponge < 1383261368 55216 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1383261395 467954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with that missing. < 1383261404 526370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1383261406 517945 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1383261481 558645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'paste' can be useful for that; but it is indeed hard in-place without sponge. < 1383261530 209942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo foo; echo bar; echo baz) | /usr/bin/paste -s -d '|' < 1383261531 854824 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo|bar|baz < 1383261540 963594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also HackEgo's bin/paste is kind of a problem for that. < 1383261579 534885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo HackEgo should use ␤ < 1383261585 69644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course people do use xargs for line-joining. < 1383261598 386219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2424 SYMBOL FOR NEWLINE [␤] < 1383261604 684556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo foo; echo bar; echo baz) | tr '\n' '|' #does this work? < 1383261606 380014 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo|bar|baz| < 1383261612 674942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda-sorta. < 1383261613 527888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh almost < 1383261652 202837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs does automatic whitespace normalization, which can be a win. < 1383261653 769658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo 'foo '; echo ' bar'; echo ' baz ') | xargs < 1383261655 563080 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo bar baz < 1383261660 415276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo foo; echo bar; echo vaz) | tr '\n' '␤' < 1383261662 130125 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobarvaz < 1383261668 853929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow tr is a h8r < 1383261701 87906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo foo; echo bar; echo vaz) | tr '\n' $'\u2424' < 1383261702 686083 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooubaruvazu < 1383261712 871257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1383261760 234925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right xargs might work < 1383261849 351284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coreutils tr is completely multibyte-braindead, I don't think you really can win there. < 1383261901 656638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well␤ < 1383262301 416538 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383262433 219320 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-18-196.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383262732 729916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Welp, the blob method (via base64 decoding the canvas.toDataURI string, packing it up in a Blob, and doing URL.createObjectURL for the image) works just fine even for large images. <-- fancy < 1383262785 161333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A boy and his blob. < 1383262827 268029 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383262888 777963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, blobs have to be large by definition < 1383262891 122177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the name < 1383262901 399212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is an ordinary boy. the other is a human-eating shapeless mass. together they fight crime! < 1383263004 240600 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383263018 807352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, where's funfact? I mean, fungot. < 1383263055 29113 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1383263056 142693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was here when i arrived. < 1383263060 519474 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A machine that computes using "fits": like bits, except that every 1 fit must be preceded in memory by a 0 fit. A fyte is a sequence of thirteen fits, where the first fit is 0. Arithmetic is done using Fibonacci coding. < 1383263066 751159 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss. < 1383263077 565660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinged out 33 minutes ago < 1383263083 771959 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussion is illegal < 1383263085 231426 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1383263262 667554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: the fact that fyte doesn't take up a constant amount of space might prove inconvenient. < 1383263274 542236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+a < 1383263291 725279 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they do, don't they? < 1383263304 874747 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory consists of a bunch of fits. A fyte is always thirteen of those. < 1383263310 441347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1383263322 803515 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would be fine for a fyte to begin with a 1, as long as the preceding fyte ends with a 0. < 1383263371 249890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise bignums might get tricky < 1383263463 794500 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383263501 254505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah your sleeping schedule has returned to abnormal? < 1383263608 922636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly your irc client just turned sapient by itself. < 1383263674 839794 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383263710 407205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know the weird backwards non-regular tree, data T f a = L a | B (T f (f a)) ? < 1383263814 665809 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, it's back to a sensible abnormal < 1383263920 988738 :nooodl!~nooodl@3.168-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1383263921 493573 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not yet! < 1383263942 451825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: maybe you should drop the co- for today