00:01:06 -!- Bike has joined. 00:06:29 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:08:23 -!- Bike has joined. 00:13:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:13:48 -!- augur has joined. 00:13:52 -!- muskrat has joined. 00:14:19 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:14:21 -!- mnoqy has joined. 00:15:42 -!- muskrat has quit (Client Quit). 00:18:04 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:19:00 http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/10/today-in-computational-necromancy-2/ 00:19:10 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:20:00 "simply transmit the program via the audio jack" is a pretty great phrase 00:20:29 audio jack of all trades 00:20:43 nice 00:21:00 yes I used to store my TRS-80 Model 100 programs as .WAV files on my parents' Windows 95 machine 00:22:46 the MIT intro signal processing class has a lab where you transmit data using speaker and microphone: https://github.com/keithw/onepingonly 00:23:02 cool :o 00:25:42 Nice. 00:40:52 there's also http://www.araneus.fi/audsl/ 00:42:40 Pity it can't do V.90. 00:44:26 yeah 00:44:40 i wonder what's the fastest "real modem" standard you can implement with a sound card 00:45:30 Almost certainly waaay faster than v.90. That's what winmodems *are*, so. 00:46:56 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 00:47:50 I'm having trouble believing that you can go from 44.1k 16-bit samples per second to way more than 56 kilobits per second 00:48:00 i don't really know though 00:48:10 do winmodems really offload everything besides the DAC/ADC? 00:48:24 > 44100 * 16 00:48:25 705600 00:48:34 (I guess I'm using the word "offload" backwards of its usual meaning) 00:49:33 Common soundcards often surpass 44.1k 16-bit samples (for no good reason) 00:49:38 well true 00:50:31 but anyway this AuDSL does 96 kbps so clearly I'm wrong and it is possible 00:50:33 Yet distort the input 00:51:12 The reason for 56kbps is pretty simple, FWIW. The audio channel it's going over is (effectively) 7-bit 8k mu-law PCM. 00:51:13 er I guess that just comes from 4-level amplitude modulation * 48 kHz sample rate 00:51:25 i.e. 56k. 00:51:32 pikhq: the POTS is? 00:51:35 Yes. 00:52:08 POTS is *actually* 8-bit 8kHz, but the low bit is stolen for in-band signalling on a regular basis, making it hard to use. 00:52:10 AuDSL doesn't seem to have any error correcting code 00:52:58 pikhq: tricky 00:54:06 So yeah. 56kbps is the limit because that's literally the rate that POTS guarantees over digital switching. 00:54:25 huh, that's neat to know. 00:54:28 yes 00:54:40 and the analog last-mile is good enough that you don't lose very much there? 00:54:44 Does that mean that you can read the signalling by taking the low bits off your telephone line 00:54:47 kmc: Yup. 00:55:12 Which is also why you only get 56kbps down. Because it only actually works when you can control the PCM coming out. 00:55:17 Jafet: I.. think so? 00:55:31 what do you mean by that? 00:55:52 The end point of a 56k modem line isn't hooked up via analog last-mile. 00:56:23 the end at the service you're dialing into, you mean? 00:56:26 Yes. 00:56:27 maybe this will inspire me to try figuring out the ethernet on my FPGA board again 00:56:46 okay, but I still don't see why that makes down different from up 01:04:24 Do you see the same problem I see with this chess problem? http://www.chessvariants.org/problems.dir/chaturangadehaas.html 01:07:29 Actually I think there is another problem too. 01:09:02 No, probably just one. 01:14:11 How can I pattern match rose trees, for example A(B C(D E) F G(H(I))) and I want to match A(? C(*) F G(?)) or whatever and then use the parameters received to do a replacement or some other program 01:18:15 -!- muskrat has joined. 01:21:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 01:22:00 I have tried to ask anyone but nobody can know this yet. 01:24:21 Do you know? 01:24:43 I may also want to match it elsewhere in the tree, rather than only the top. 01:25:12 The tree is stored in a SQL table with one record per node, although if I can match in C that is good enough; such thing can be made to provide to SQL. 01:29:49 -!- ion has changed nick to ION. 01:29:58 HION 01:30:34 HACHAF 01:30:43 MERRY INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY 01:30:58 oh 01:31:04 idon'tparticipateinthat 01:32:21 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:34:22 -!- shikhin has joined. 01:40:46 http://24.media.tumblr.com/c2bc96625b70798ce816820ab3af7625/tumblr_muuav0Erwl1s1y5f6o1_500.png meanwhile in something bitcoin 01:42:03 Do you participate in not spaces day instead? 01:46:41 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 02:00:00 *international* caps lock day? sounds communist 02:00:39 american caps lock day is 4 months later to avoid such associations 02:01:37 Bike: the anarcho-libertarian sausage shop in Berkeley didn't seem to accept Bitcoin :/ 02:01:42 i didn't have the guts to ask though 02:04:33 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:04:56 -!- ^v has joined. 02:14:12 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:16:23 -!- muskrat has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:17:40 :( DrRacket seems to like freezing when I make an infinite loop in what should be a different thread 02:18:13 -!- shikhin has joined. 02:19:24 -!- augur has joined. 02:24:44 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 02:25:27 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:28:24 -!- augur_ has joined. 02:29:06 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:29:48 Syncing on system-idle-evt seems to be working now, hmm 02:29:55 Nope, just froze 02:44:46 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 02:51:47 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 02:53:34 aw man you can't "actually" jump to the legacy vsyscall page at 0xffffffffff600000 on modern Linux 02:53:41 it claims to be mapped executable but this is a lie 02:54:05 D: 02:55:16 the kernel traps it and emulates the old behavior because MUST NOT BREAK USERSPACE ABI EVER 02:55:28 this also means that the old way of making an extra fast syscall is now extra slow 02:55:36 "WAI" 02:55:46 i guess a 100x performance regression doesn't count as breaking userspace ABI 02:56:13 oh, wait, is this linux-gate.dso or whatever 02:56:24 it's the old version of that 02:56:35 oh 02:56:36 which is just raw machine code mapped at a fixed address 02:56:37 mysterious 02:56:43 sounds sensible 02:56:45 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 02:57:05 I wonder why the page apparently has three syscall instructions followed by rets 02:57:08 this is nice and simple but also very useful for exploit writers, to have a SYSCALL; RET sequence at a known address 02:57:16 Isn't one enough 02:57:29 Jafet: this is the stuff for implementing clock_gettime() / gettimeofday() / etc. in userspace 02:57:32 so there's one per call 02:57:37 it's not the generic syscall path 02:57:55 on AMD64 you make a syscall using the SYSCALL instruction directly 02:57:59 Oh, the polling thing 02:58:19 it's only on i386 that you go through the vDSO for all syscalls 02:58:21 polling thing? 02:58:26 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:58:34 Is this the one where linux writes the time into the page itself 02:58:41 something like that yeah 02:59:17 -!- augur has joined. 02:59:25 anyway the legacy fixed-address thing is deprecated and so the code sequences were reverted to real syscalls in order to be less useful to exploit writers 03:00:25 the new (not that new) vDSO is an ordinary ELF shared object; the kernel maps it into memory and then passes its address to the dynamic linker, which links it like any other .so 03:00:48 and that means its address can be randomized as well 03:01:35 I feel kinda dumb talking about this trivia because it's just trivia 03:01:59 it's a cool thing though. i like linkers even if i don't understand then 03:02:10 maybe I can't solve hard problems and I just collect trivia instead but both seem to be useful so w/e 03:02:44 Bike: http://www.iecc.com/linker/ is cool 03:03:56 i should (re)read more of it 03:04:39 oh yeah i've seen that 03:04:55 some cool php errors maybe i should actually read it instead of uh *looks at tabs* something about tunicates 03:08:02 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:13:07 it's weird that many of the people campaigning for affordable housing in SF also want no new housing built anywhere 03:13:14 they just want all the people they don't like to stop trying to live here 03:13:30 or they want the govt to magically make housing cheap without a tax base of rich tech workers to draw on 03:13:48 (not that the current city govt would be remotely capable of doing that in an efficent way, anyway) 03:13:59 did you see that thing i retweeted about silicon valley seceeding 03:14:03 maybe 03:14:22 it was pretty great that a journalist took it seriously 03:15:48 -!- NihilistDandy has quit. 03:21:58 otoh it's not clear that building a bunch of new luxury apartments will help 03:22:12 it might result in people like me moving out of the historically lower income areas, causing rents to fall there 03:22:24 or it might result in more of us moving to the city from elsewhere 03:23:35 economics of housing are fucking weird and it's one of the areas where simple supply/demand analysis is most wrong 03:24:22 i actually know the few things i do about housing prices from a microeconomics class (since rent controls make for a good example) 03:24:28 cool 03:24:31 what things do you know 03:24:39 less than you! 03:24:56 not sure about that! 03:24:57 mostly i remember that rent controlled apartments tend to have ended up in the hands of people who don't need rent control so much 03:25:07 i have basically no formal knowledge of economics 03:25:51 yeah i'm in a rent controlled unit and so are a lot of my fellow rich tech wanker friends 03:26:15 :O 03:27:18 hi copumpkin 03:27:25 hi shachaf!!!!1!11!!1!!!! 03:28:07 ⱳɦỏả, ɗủɗẻ 03:28:23 * pikhq finds rent control... weird 03:28:45 ^ 03:29:55 Rent control? 03:30:37 copumpkin: how are the pumpkins 03:30:42 don't have any :( 03:31:06 when is cohalloween 03:31:15 beats me 03:32:59 Sgeo: Rent control is a scheme wherein governments mandate that a rent cannot increase by more than a certain percentage at a time. 03:34:05 Particularly nuts when utilities are included with rent. 03:34:41 And you live in New York State. C'mon, NY runs on rent control. 03:35:04 -!- sebbu has joined. 03:35:06 I'm still living in the apartment that my dad owns 03:35:44 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 03:35:44 -!- sebbu has joined. 03:37:33 pikhq: SF is worst than NY 03:37:51 -!- augur has joined. 03:38:25 -!- zhr0 has joined. 03:38:38 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:38:56 http://www.thevenusproject.com/online-community 03:41:16 what about it 03:41:34 `rwelcome zhr0 03:41:38 zhr0: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 03:43:42 well, at least it's not porn. 03:43:59 I was expecting porn 03:44:35 Apparently it involves cybernating. 03:44:56 But seriously, spamming ain't cool. 03:45:49 Books such as 1984 and Brave New World, and motion pictures such as Blade-Runner and Terminator 2 have spawned fear in some people regarding the takeover of technology in our society. The Venus Project's only purpose is to elevate the spiritual and intellectual potential of all people, while at the same time providing the goods and services that will meet their individual and material needs. 03:46:51 I wish people wouldn't use nervous system analogies to refer to any distributed system. 03:46:54 Bike seriously, spamming ain't cool 03:47:23 I'm not spamming. I'm sharing information with the world. 03:55:15 bike seriously 03:55:24 What? 03:56:52 It's just one paste, that's not actually spamming, I hope 03:58:57 Save often! Floss regularly! Floss meaningfully! Floss athletically! Think happy thoughts! And above all, never forget: who is the Boss of you? Me! I am the Boss of you! 04:06:03 -!- zhr0 has left ("Leaving"). 04:29:43 -!- mnoqy has joined. 04:32:49 Bike pls why u keep spammin 04:33:20 ;_; 04:33:24 ;) 04:33:28 okokokokokoko 04:33:30 okokokokokokokoko 04:33:31 okokokokokoko 04:33:33 okokokokokokokoko 04:33:34 help 04:33:35 okokokokoko 04:33:36 oko 04:33:37 okokokoko 04:33:40 okokokokokokokokokokokoko 04:33:42 okokokokokokoko 04:33:52 i have my first driving lesson tomorrow 04:34:00 eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek 04:34:09 it's just like riding a bike 04:35:05 hot 04:35:20 help 04:35:37 oklofok: i heard driving lessons in finland are basically impossible 04:35:40 might as well give up now 04:35:56 mnoqy: hello, mnoqy. 04:36:01 hi 04:36:14 do you know about succinct data structures y/n 04:36:31 probably not 04:36:39 man i wish i was succinct 04:37:40 :( 04:37:50 i hate doing impossible things 04:38:20 well, driving in finland is not actually impossible 04:38:26 but braking is equivalent to the halting problem 04:39:20 it's true, coming to a complete stop is just asymptote-chasing 04:39:59 have you considered just adjusting your reference frame so that you're not moving 04:40:13 oh my god that was the best joke ever 04:40:18 shachaf's i mean 04:40:23 thanks 04:40:25 Bike's i haven't read yet 04:40:29 i will read it now 04:40:35 feel very good about my humor sense now 04:40:57 okay yours is um 04:41:05 ok 9/10 :) 04:41:14 that's also really good! 04:41:15 you don't need to soften the blow 04:41:21 i know i;m terible 04:41:25 Please remain seated until the plane has come to a complete stop. Thank you for flying Zeno Airlines. 04:41:56 now my average is 5/10 :'( 04:42:13 :') 04:42:53 : ⓜ ) 04:42:57 : ⓝ ) 04:43:01 : ⓞ ) 04:43:03 : ⓠ ) 04:43:06 : ⓨ ) 04:43:33 I am unable to do impossible things. It may seem that some impossible things can sometimes happen, but I doubt it. 04:43:51 but isn't it the definition of impossible things that they cannot happen 04:43:53 zzo38: Well, it's impossible for impossible things to happen. 04:44:04 So most people conclude that they never do. 04:44:08 But that's circular logic! 04:44:34 things that have once been described as impossible may well be doable, but then that description, by definition, was wrong. 04:44:40 -!- asie has joined. 04:44:47 man i wish i was impossible 04:45:00 apparently just braking me is though 04:45:00 oklofok: O, OK, yes I suppose you would be correct about that. 04:45:01 don't worry, Bike. you are 04:45:36 -!- asie has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:46:22 -!- asie has joined. 05:03:43 ais[...]@gmail.com turned out not to be ais523 :-( 05:08:31 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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A. N. S. 10:06:10 fungot: Even you make more sense than these results. 10:06:10 fizzie: maybe its just my lack of a standard. 10:06:16 fungot: Could be. 10:06:17 fizzie: lol this game is awesome. fnord, c. a compiled scheme rewrite seems the best way 10:09:00 -!- nooodl_ has changed nick to nooodl. 10:20:26 -!- yorick has joined. 10:29:25 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:29:34 -!- Koen_ has quit (Client Quit). 10:29:50 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:49:29 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:20:38 http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/1owwcz/pupesoft_a_finnish_erp_app/ 11:25:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:37:23 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 11:38:52 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:51:44 huh lolphp censors nicks? 11:51:54 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 11:55:38 ok that was as easy to get around as expected. 11:56:11 i suppose it keeps out the chaff. 11:57:04 HION 12:04:43 HIREFLY 12:04:48 HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY 12:05:54 HireFly, a killer for hire. 12:06:41 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: OKAY). 12:17:45 -!- boily has joined. 12:17:55 -!- metasepia has joined. 12:18:11 good croissant morning! 12:19:01 fizzie: I don't think I did. 12:24:32 Well, you should, to keep up with things. 12:27:18 my backlog has a backlog backlog, and on top of that I'm piling up this season's series. 12:27:57 (and I have a bunch of bundles of books and stories to read, sets of albums to listen to, and a bluetooth device to pair.) 12:42:05 At least there's just one of those. 12:43:05 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 12:46:41 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:47:29 fizzie: one device that I still can't pair. why must it be so fscking complex? 12:55:34 -!- asie has joined. 13:12:06 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:36:14 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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15:01:25 what about it 15:01:39 It will be a new programming language I make. 15:01:48 Everything is a function. 15:02:24 The following could be a Hello, World program. 15:02:27 PRINTSTR("Hello, World!") 15:02:31 PRINTCHAR(10) 15:02:51 are "Hello, World!" and 10 functions too 15:03:21 No, they are values. 15:03:32 but then how is everything a function 15:03:37 "Hello, World!" and a newline are displayed. 15:04:08 everything is a function except the values 15:04:18 Yeah, that's what I mean. 15:04:47 so i take it functions aren't values 15:05:07 Uhh..yeah. 15:05:18 Truth Machine: 15:05:22 INPUTNUM(x) 15:05:29 LABELIF(EQUAL(x,0),"0","1") 15:05:33 LBLDEFN("1") 15:05:39 PRINTNUM(x) 15:05:44 GOTO("1") 15:05:48 LBLDEFN("0") 15:05:49 is there anything interesting about functions? or by everything being a function do you just mean that you use the thingy(thingy,thingy) syntax 15:05:51 PRINTNUM(x) 15:06:07 I think it is "satire" 15:06:11 can you define INPUTNUM and GOTO and LBLDEFN and LABELIF in your language 15:06:20 it looks like you are programming a calculator. 15:06:31 INPUTNUM inputs a number to a variable as an argument. 15:06:35 mnoqy: i'm imagining things like 15:06:42 mapping lbldefn over some values 15:06:47 So INPUTNUM(x) inputs something and stores it into x. 15:07:14 nooodl_: functions aren't values. map would have to be a special form. but there are no special forms. everything is a function. 15:07:19 LBLDEFN("labelname") defines a label, and GOTO("label") works in the same way. 15:07:23 mnoqy: zen 15:08:00 LABELIF(conditional,goto_label_true,goto_label_false) 15:08:09 map could be a "value" 15:08:13 JWinslow23: how are they different from simple keywords, though! 15:08:17 JWinslow23: i meant, can you write a definition for them in your language. not an english definition. can you write a function that does exactly what INPUTNUM does, but it's written by you, and not a special part of the spec 15:08:34 nooodl_: see: 08:05:49 is there anything interesting about functions? or by everything being a function do you just mean that you use the thingy(thingy,thingy) syntax 15:08:38 Yeah, you can define your own functions. 15:08:54 JWinslow23: but can they do the things that INPUTNUM and LBLDEFN and LABELIF do 15:09:01 mnoqy: i'm going to socratically approach the "these aren't actually functions" wish me luck 15:09:10 FUNCDEFN(function_syntax,"codeblockname") 15:09:26 That makes a function that does whatever is in the codeblock. 15:09:39 CODEBLOCK("codeblockname") defines a codeblock. 15:09:52 CODEBLOCKEND("codeblockname") end a codeblock. 15:10:11 seriously, what do you mean by these things being functions 15:10:31 This is partly inspired by spreadsheet syntax in Excel. 15:11:07 ok i'm caving in: JWinslow23: see, the thing is, these functions are not really functions in a meaningful way, they're just syntax that looks like function calls 15:11:11 if you write 15:11:13 goto some_place 15:11:16 as 15:11:22 GOTO("some_place") 15:11:30 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 15:11:36 Then why does Functional exist? 15:11:37 it's not suddenly a function! functions have real interesting properties 15:12:11 dysfunctional programming is already a thing on the wiki. for what it's worth. 15:12:16 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Functional should not exist. 15:12:29 http://esolangs.org/wiki/0x29A http://esolangs.org/wiki/Object_disoriented 15:12:51 Functional makes the same mistake 15:13:29 I told you it was satire 15:13:54 What was "satire"? 15:15:48 :^) 15:16:10 OK, then can anyone help me make something like Brainmaker? 15:16:50 in what way 15:17:36 Like that, but 2 dimensional, maybe? 15:17:58 Also, how do you write ACTUAL code in Brainmaker? 15:18:06 Anyone got any good resources for learning Clean? I want to see what uniqueness types are about 15:18:12 ooh what's brainmaker 15:18:17 nooodl_: tehz language 15:18:28 nooodl_: you're familiar with tehz, right? 15:19:28 i'm not 15:19:34 then you're in for a treat 15:19:42 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainmaker 15:20:44 i like how it just starts talking about "cells", like, 15:20:53 JWinslow23: You define a language and then write your code 15:20:54 "you damn well know this is a bf derivative so let's just get over with it" 15:20:55 Simple 15:21:30 Heh, there is no interpreter for it 15:22:17 OK, I'll make one. HQ9+, maybe. 15:22:24 Be right back! 15:22:27 uhm. can't we just... like... I don't know, maybe, perhaps like delete all those languages-which-are-very-boring-variations-of-one-another, and languages-which-aren't-even-esoteric-much-less-anything-at-all-i'm-looking-at-you-poison? 15:23:13 Brainmaker is unique enough 15:23:23 i think i'd kill people if http://esolangs.org/wiki/poison disappeared 15:23:31 my favorite part is the terminology tehz invented & made a page about to describe it. mostly the talk page. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Meta_Turing-complete it still hasn't been deleted 15:24:43 "(unless you are an admin?)" nice 15:25:35 oh apparently someone else invented it. i'll blame both of em 15:25:45 nooodl_: re: poison's disappearance: why would that make you violent? 15:27:01 it's a beautiful page 15:27:22 who remembers FURscript. who remembers Snack. 15:27:43 esme... the language with the zombies,,, 15:27:49 thats snack 15:27:54 oops i w-- yes 15:27:57 who will have had to be remembered feather? 15:28:05 SLEEP? ARE YOU CRAZY? LETS GET UP FOR MIDNIGHT DINNER 15:29:07 * FreeFull performs a Mathes eqaution 15:29:50 * boily backs away from that bunch of demented esötericians... 15:30:13 nooodl_: I wasn't an admin at the time 15:30:24 I'm not allowed to be that rude to people now that I am 15:30:30 actually I am but I feel worse about it 15:30:33 um you're -- yes 15:30:36 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Apple3.14 15:31:00 actually it's painful to read me being mean to people 15:31:16 mnoqy: what. the. fungot. is. that. 15:32:30 mnoqy: nice 15:32:44 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unusable 15:34:21 * boily runs far, far away “I AM SANE! I AM SAAAAAAAANE!” 15:36:40 http://esolangs.org/wiki/6ix this language (with variations on syntax) seems to be quite popular 15:37:12 OK, I could not possibly implement the Q command, so instead, I made a Hello, World! program. 15:37:24 H : ++++++++++ 15:37:28 e : [?'!>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-&]> 15:37:33 l : + 15:37:37 o : . 15:37:41 , : >+.+++++++ 15:37:45 : ..+++.>++. 15:37:50 W : <<+++++++++++++++ 15:37:55 r : >.++ 15:38:00 d : .------.--- 15:38:04 ! : -----.>+.>. 15:38:04 15:38:08 Hello, World! 15:38:19 ☺ 15:38:22 That was it. 15:42:53 i have an esolang idea... "inspiration"... 15:43:39 Lay it on me... 15:44:09 oh, sexy esolanging action! 15:44:30 i'll just implement it. i think it might be boring, but i have to write it down and do some stuff in it first. 15:44:50 Just make the esolang page, and I'll make examples. 15:45:03 Just go! Run as fast as your little CPU can carry you! 15:45:54 wow, 6ix is even more boring than a brainfuck derivative, impressive 15:46:34 there should be a language so abstrusely boring for the records. something like a sort of “Able Line” of Esolangs. 15:47:01 "I can't respond to this until you tell me if you've misplaced the '?'s." i like this guy 15:47:54 boily: honestly i'm ok with sticking with http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck 15:48:21 Bike: oh. in that case, my wish is fullfilled. 15:48:28 `thanks Bike 15:48:33 Thanks, Bike. Thike. 15:48:37 `thanks oklofok 15:48:39 Thanks, oklofok. Thoklofok. 15:49:30 `? I 15:49:32