< 1381795914 270204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381796058 537382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381796169 513134 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__ < 1381798992 801969 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im scared < 1381799008 768087 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deploy of my code tonight < 1381799020 310927 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it breaks stuff my boss would be really annoyed probably < 1381799402 576374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1381799405 883735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well-tested is it? < 1381799433 44486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1381799441 341582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tested the code path that were easy to test (maybe 2), and some random person in Colorado accidentally tested a trickier code path < 1381799463 982599 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :three code paths! that's three more than I usually test < 1381799490 472853 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my main concern is more performance, and I really don't know how to test that < 1381799569 498049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it fails you can just roll back and try again after testing and fixing some more, right? < 1381799628 419734 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing might look like bad diagnostic data, or like a slowdown that's only apparent when a lot of people are hititng the site < 1381799645 509381 :Guest85520!~ubuntu@ec2-50-17-205-226.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1381799652 184651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. People were detained in Europe for paying using coins. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24524699 < 1381799675 978621 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the code is going to be rolled back in a few days anyway, even if it works 100% properly < 1381799706 342095 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euro-coins look pretty < 1381799722 436907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1381799747 870776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend paid off the last of his university bill with a bunch of $1 coins in a burlap sack with a big "$" drawn on it < 1381799802 880855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah. bimetalic coins are nice, I wish we had them here < 1381799812 142869 :Guest85520!~ubuntu@ec2-50-17-205-226.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1381799825 99162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wish that people actually used $1 coins with enough frequency to make them not annoying < 1381799833 960427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wish that vendors would choose prices that come out to a round number after tax < 1381799836 967005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want a pony too < 1381799848 959022 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want prices to be listed after tax rather than before tax < 1381799857 875278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1381799862 665993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I may have slightly stopped paying attention to prices after getting a debit card < 1381799867 842684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having a job < 1381799901 262782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with round numbers, coins are faster than a card < 1381799985 731604 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: eh? < 1381799999 198546 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: swiss coins are the biggest PITA though < 1381800005 53889 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a 5 franc coin! < 1381800006 117921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sometimes they do that and then tax changes :'( < 1381800020 792650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty rare in the us, though < 1381800028 482745 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how does tax change? < 1381800033 544740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ballot measure < 1381800035 572497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: that must be one of the more valuable coins in common circulation < 1381800042 747790 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: probably < 1381800048 446987 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its so annoying when you drop a coin < 1381800063 876289 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :' 3,700 one-euro coins were then found in their room.' < 1381800067 118416 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the problem < 1381801305 217954 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381801814 664830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so weird that comments in HTML stick around in the DOM < 1381801880 429485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need it (at least internally) because of shit like < 1381803592 170161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you like pizza y/n < 1381803715 18696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381804941 937294 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381805384 71895 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381805408 652512 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c JOIN :#esoteric < 1381805520 190954 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381805702 283931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381805717 370258 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381805780 221905 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That went reasonably well, maybe < 1381805782 413924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't really know until morning < 1381805870 479223 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381806193 817671 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They stick around in the XML DOM too. < 1381806210 520930 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case you want to do stupid shit with your XSLT. < 1381806301 335929 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381806366 536605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i learned html4 both books i had recommended doing that so that internet explorer wouldn't shit itself when you put in javascript < 1381806369 492971 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :goooood times < 1381806396 90151 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d be fine with browsers ignoring code withing < 1381806409 399204 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“withing”? ok < 1381806411 315841 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my few lines of code are now being executed every time someone hits the site... which will be millions of people, probably < 1381806421 750944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have ur autograph < 1381806549 123127 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1381807427 851694 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381807553 597470 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of EVE players are planning to fight the NPC police < 1381807559 169967 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1ogh7d/concord_vs_eve_yulai_october_19_2013_2000_eve_time/ < 1381807591 173041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't m0o do that like in 2004 or something? < 1381807630 473610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then concord got buffed <_< < 1381808125 372608 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lel concord < 1381808218 874256 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Do you play EVE? < 1381808243 658454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a while ago... < 1381808278 798523 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1381808805 619264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : is a pretty good face < 1381809518 920876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pasterack.org/pastes/4143 < 1381809522 237791 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381809553 828600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know I don't know how to spell awful < 1381810289 775981 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381810420 85081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one emphasizes that you are full of awe < 1381810431 757368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what's the point of this pls < 1381810596 508189 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A really offensive way to write if? < 1381810639 687693 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c JOIN :#esoteric < 1381811635 545912 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381812183 331811 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what my debugging codes mean offhand < 1381812462 720733 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381812733 336064 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code is already paying off < 1381812993 936366 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381813322 382254 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381813342 601703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1381813537 694547 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1381814004 404662 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381814139 800309 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381814204 697016 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo, the new Mozart stuff is snazzy < 1381814232 762885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Mozart put out some new music? < 1381814247 598535 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mozart.github.io < 1381814248 860986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he heard that GY!BE was touring again < 1381814260 175837 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1381814428 271629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: HOLY FUCK THAT'S STILL ALIVE? < 1381814432 600683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look into it < 1381814434 683550 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessir < 1381814442 130276 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just release 2.0, even < 1381814445 994904 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*released < 1381814460 278651 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to look at it but it's deadness kept scaring me away < 1381814471 561959 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, same here < 1381814479 869552 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought about it out of the blue and went to check it out < 1381814492 301213 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiny new homepage, new version < 1381814678 401711 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even works on OS X with something other than Aquamacs, which is thrilling < 1381815254 580160 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381815479 839788 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381815549 225644 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1381815655 685428 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381815711 349672 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381815724 97474 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381815755 846459 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381815771 848911 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381815796 4445 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381815807 839175 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381815873 889432 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381815932 339885 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1381815936 567012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1381815942 680006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1381815967 535920 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sudden concerns about my code < 1381816247 859090 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381816261 179962 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381817550 605796 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381817582 493337 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381817607 414312 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111116 < 1381817739 566959 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1381818074 212842 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381818089 168440 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381818562 278467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1381818707 859293 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381819654 530361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be fun being all role-play-y and this-is-Serious-Business-y and so on about EVE (assuming people do that? it sounds like something people would do) when there's a large chunk of space claimed by a "Legion of xXDEATHXx". (Looked at some kind of a map.) < 1381819722 277192 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back i read a jihadology report on identified foreign fighters who had died in syria. it generally included their forum handles if applicable. < 1381819725 892851 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let you use your imagination. < 1381819764 623638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prominent EVE person and SomethingAwful forum mod was killed in the attack on the US embassy in Benghazi < 1381819791 471710 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was sad < 1381819796 506469 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rat... something < 1381819843 573928 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vilerat, that was it < 1381819922 863583 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was weird having EVE people come by the middle east thread on SA to talk about nuking libya < 1381820064 260597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, you know, you can legally shoot back for 15 minutes, or something. < 1381820090 600096 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were dicks. < 1381821870 897658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you all see https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ < 1381822088 276074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) && (current->uid = 0)) retval = -EINVAL; < 1381822468 828772 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381822764 512155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly does look like wrong. I don't know what __WCLONE and __WALL are, but it sets uid to zero and then would not change retval. < 1381822971 310334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the set-uid-to-0 part that is really interesting < 1381823028 709940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand how that would be a problem, but I don't know what __WCLONE and __WALL are. < 1381823120 749485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't even noticed the other bug < 1381823126 480802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you did zzo38 :) < 1381823152 140502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems it might be some kind of bit flags, although I don't know what the other possible options are, and if that is the case it seems strange that it checks for that exact combination. These kind of things do suggest possibly deliberate backdoors < 1381823245 19080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You didn't notice it? Why didn't you notice it? < 1381823380 898365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't looking < 1381823570 63258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the compiler warn "Condition is always false" or something like that? < 1381824118 936363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, probably < 1381824899 315871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some do. < 1381824968 547327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also from what I recall, __WCLONE and __WALL are mutually exclusive, so the check sort of halfway makes sense. < 1381824989 917262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though reporting an error only when current->uid == 0 would be kind of strange thing to do overall. < 1381825028 112062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man page specifies that "[__WCLONE] is ignored if __WALL is also specified." < 1381825106 543045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In any case, it should probably be testing for (options & (__WCLONE|__WALL)) == (__WCLONE|__WALL) if it wanted to test for that. < 1381825125 41570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless "options" has been purged of other flags.) < 1381825161 425157 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errrr, is it normal to see smoke or steam or something coming out of a laser printer. I've never noticed it before. Slightly worried. < 1381825258 896397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lp0 on fire" < 1381825271 921230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think it's normal.) < 1381825333 348071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Issue: Steam or vapor is visible above the output tray, and moisture might appear on the trailing edge of printouts. The printouts might be damp, wet, or curled. If steam is released from the product, it might appear to be smoke." < 1381825338 990171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is. < 1381825346 529007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HP has tested the performance of this product thoroughly, and this moisture is part of the normal operation of the product. The vapor occurs because moisture condenses in the output area until the internal temperature reaches a level at which no condensation occurs." < 1381825354 630140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I've noticed, though. < 1381825368 254525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably internal humidity &c. has a role. < 1381825407 575055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's for HP LaserJets, but presumably the overall operating principles are common for most laser printers.) < 1381825461 120288 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just moved a dehumidifier to the office. Hopefully it'll solve the problem. < 1381825580 527873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to HP, it is not a problem. < 1381825596 55799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the person receiving the "damp, wet, or curled" paper might disagree. < 1381825948 482115 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381826218 890224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes I also noticed that it was strange to be only when uid is zero. I am pretty sure whoever put it in there then must have been either extremely confused about the system and acting really stupid, or more likely, they deliberately put that bug in there and hoped nobody would notice < 1381826282 144900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can program in C, and know what "uid" is, so I can see why it is strange and bug, and any other C programmers can also tell; I don't know how they expected that nobody would notice. < 1381826314 804234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if somebody doesn't see the bug I would expect them to question it at least. < 1381826395 406664 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381826685 947143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was slipped in sort of clandestinely, not through the usual channels. < 1381826965 869181 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381827151 455738 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381828738 34824 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1381829474 528862 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381829551 602156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1381829732 255883 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381829884 800764 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381829914 275487 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381829914 966828 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381830302 137649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1381830785 535763 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381831608 635570 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381831667 699790 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381832008 885411 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381832655 103497 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381832683 848729 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381833563 215063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: y < 1381833807 910503 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381833887 856951 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381833917 34121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote NihilistDandy: HOLY FUCK THAT'S STILL ALIVE? Maybe I should look into it < 1381833923 860758 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1118) NihilistDandy: HOLY FUCK THAT'S STILL ALIVE? Maybe I should look into it < 1381834219 875095 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381834496 488818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you’ve ended up on this page, you have probably found the HTTP user agent string of Panopta Monitoring (http://checks.panopta.com) in your logs and are wondering why you’re seeing requests to your server. There are a number of possible reasons for this: * The monitoring could have been setup by someone else in your organization." < 1381834503 880718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that seems most likely. < 1381834529 281489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you, a someone else in my organization, set up some Panopta Monitoring? < 1381834529 426962 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the language has < 1381834538 865535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the *language* has. Well, then. < 1381834551 165858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are the connections coming from finland? < 1381834582 495610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From somewhere in the UK. < 1381834601 770027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you should contact your representatives in the uk, then. < 1381834636 287202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a possible reason: "A competitor might be looking for comparison data on their online presence." < 1381834650 61158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those people competing in the Funge-98 bot market, probably. < 1381834657 658596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it's probably hexham university! < 1381834672 603100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the ticket < 1381835058 423219 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381835317 173528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's "ended up at the OpenTTD logic page, was probably looking for something else" search query: "4 bit adder and its working" < 1381835758 637679 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381836121 310406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381837504 531914 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381838034 992114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are requested to use high quality headphones for this experiment" but I just have this cheap USB headset. < 1381838050 998808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a speech synthesis naturalness evaluation listening test.) < 1381838126 130373 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it high quality speech synthesis < 1381838148 83581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They claim it is. < 1381838175 251324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, "HQ speech synthesis" was in the subject line of the email. < 1381838192 731468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd certainly like to hear some, but what if my headphones are not high quality enough? < 1381838264 963111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: GAH! Noise. < 1381838294 192429 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot doesn't need headphones. < 1381838294 457880 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but just because you can access a method pointer do you consider that upstate? < 1381838338 470658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You sure shut him up. < 1381838338 669660 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that seems extreme without an extra room to put it more formally < 1381838413 681098 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381838977 312353 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1381839970 320606 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381840105 211914 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111117 < 1381840516 915178 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1381840711 535575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the "port 4679 guy" started again. < 1381840751 442259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a different IP this time. < 1381841010 773091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381841017 691924 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381841133 140319 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381841162 679415 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1381841289 405751 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1381842448 504720 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381842883 460374 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat103.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381843187 466334 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat103.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381844314 117803 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1381844528 334372 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381844656 67490 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh JOIN :#esoteric < 1381844773 51112 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone need another brainfuck compiler or interpreter? :P < 1381844860 262388 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good frighumid morning! < 1381844863 910380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseHello. < 1381844889 943529 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. I think I know boily < 1381844912 88152 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless "JesseHello" is a common term < 1381844925 57442 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, hey! < 1381844939 537335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Quaint Tradition from the Channel, where you try to conflagrate a hello-derivative into someone's nick. < 1381844971 477803 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see! < 1381844984 78468 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have made it impossible for yours. < 1381844985 390133 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jessehorne/phpbf < 1381845060 848457 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having to learn PHP recently, so I thought i might as well write something fun with it :P < 1381845097 442749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: such is life with a francophone name. apparently, hoily is quite popular. < 1381845133 949763 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a greeting :P < 1381845151 144341 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not where I come from...Murica < 1381845279 159379 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381845287 193974 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the data I have, you're approximatively due South from me. < 1381845312 844042 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Stalker Technique! kaaaamaaaaahaaaamaaHAAAAA < 1381845319 138628 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Georgia ^_^ < 1381845382 758857 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1381845383 36377 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 151352Z 08009KT 10SM BKN012 BKN027 OVC030 18/14 A3016 RMK AO2 SLP208 T01780144 < 1381845393 897789 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1381845410 190884 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather at that infamous airport in Atlanta. < 1381845428 189261 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a little bit below atlanta < 1381845433 862318 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macon...MAC TOWN < 1381845444 379427 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me street address? < 1381845460 165549 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, no. that'd be very stalky, and I'm no stalker. < 1381845472 569499 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1381845472 887943 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1381845483 287854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1381845495 261818 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirheLly. < 1381845496 729863 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to those firefly commercials? < 1381845512 852952 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got one :( < 1381845721 40327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Frighteningly humid? < 1381845836 805041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: frigid and humid. < 1381846148 974374 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381846250 321220 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381846367 118653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381846505 674565 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Uguubee111117 < 1381846509 536737 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Uguubee111117: Welc14ome to the in03ternationa02l hub for esoteri04c programm11ing lan08guage design and d03eplo03ymen04t08!05 For more12 information, check out our wiki: http:/11/es08o10langs.org/wiki/M05ain_Page. (For the 06o08the09r ki06nd of 11es12o07t09erica, try #esot09eric 04on irc.d14al.net.) < 1381847019 338215 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381847104 2376 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da JOIN :#esoteric < 1381847393 315276 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1381847604 959126 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1381847766 874480 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381849147 301828 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381849299 906389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381849319 581073 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1381849556 3638 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381849983 867047 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381850063 784014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do all norwegians like pizza y/n < 1381850283 917090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say y < 1381850383 349429 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381850475 355669 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381850714 981449 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1381852298 243698 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381853349 604128 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381855326 858983 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381855660 454733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381855788 947337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king is allergic to beholders and wants them all killed, even though only (exactly) half of them have done anything bad. ... Identify the problem with this. (It isn't implied by the text, although knowing that there is a problem may allow it to be known.) < 1381855874 478783 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can one create a turing complete language that uses one character? < 1381855880 99764 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaces don't count < 1381855892 475189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: Can you please be more specific? < 1381855924 132341 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible that a language can be turing complete, using a combination of only one ascii character, and spaces < 1381855930 864996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1381855932 492206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly; why not? < 1381855935 389472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is easy. < 1381855942 25680 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you took the space away? :P < 1381855945 421272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too. < 1381855949 386041 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1381855951 448206 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe so < 1381855954 75375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are languages that only use the length of the file. < 1381855958 519596 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1381855974 792574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unary < 1381855982 366395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one uses only the character '0' with no spaces. < 1381856013 536676 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :dem instructions < 1381856029 601908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a brainfuck derivative, because of course it is. < 1381856038 845310 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1381856045 872394 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had enough of brainfuck for today < 1381856062 701251 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be brainfuck. < 1381856064 405648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were some other Unary-like languages. < 1381856079 615888 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just enumerate the turing machines. < 1381856084 26491 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work on improving my languages < 1381856089 641075 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are so terribly shitty :D < 1381856096 755593 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for befunge < 1381856114 985967 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo I've heard of that one < 1381856121 978341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you heard of that one? < 1381856122 155823 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then why do you think < 1381856130 555981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're made in it, that's why. < 1381856130 952113 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you code in a procedure to return any sort of looping there; how do you choose not to give the standard bindings the extended meanings from srfi 1 < 1381856164 43597 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i read that move and one conditional jump is turing complete < 1381856169 315819 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1381856172 397283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unconditional < 1381856187 578638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something about that article that annoyed me. < 1381856193 560120 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i love subleq < 1381856204 436640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "it halts by doing an access violation" aspect. < 1381856207 34761 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BCT < 1381856220 14938 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: derp derp < 1381856220 189869 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: do you think?!) the scheme implementation < 1381856228 224629 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think, indeed < 1381856231 727968 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1381856236 721907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: There's a Scheme implementation of you?! < 1381856237 56940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: chicken scheme is written in before it has changed! i was just responding to minus273's suggestion that ' ( 1 2)) < 1381856251 416195 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hes right you know < 1381856255 461367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think we all agree that '(1 2). < 1381856264 333693 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O language idea < 1381856280 76613 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea gone < 1381856281 510778 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1381856981 908701 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you handle Italian cuisine? < 1381856982 103325 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i love censorship!! it's liberace and tuesday weld!! < 1381856989 160376 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1381856991 267683 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1381857016 231581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1381857045 525912 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your bot. I can't understand it. < 1381857108 412309 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that means fungot can't handle italian quizzine. < 1381857108 615999 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: except slime48.el, i presume? < 1381857113 712395 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1381857167 697663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is slime48.el? Is it related to Emacs? < 1381857187 312997 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: slime and sludge and grime and dirt and gooey stuff? < 1381857187 561581 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 19 isnt between 1 and 20, inclusive? 10) ( integer-char 13) < 1381857227 169106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: uh yes it is < 1381857227 556744 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the language is beautiful, but there are books like sicp and sicm, fnord java has a consistent api with a design in mind and a lot more specific about how that relates to the source < 1381857259 758892 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the language is beautiful [...] java" < 1381857298 129514 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“fnord java has a consistent api with a design in mind” < 1381857306 714274 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I am deeply disturbed. < 1381857400 822309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a kind of an integration thing between Emacs and the Scheme48 Scheme implementation, yes. (Derived or some-such from SLIME, an Emacs thing for Common Lisp stuff.) < 1381857455 91767 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your opinion on brainfuck derivatives? < 1381857455 441571 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: and then compile to that interactively, interpret it, but glad you got it :)), so you < 1381857473 140465 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what to make of that, fungot... < 1381857473 298591 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so it is sans?" etc. < 1381857525 197143 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot < 1381857525 382370 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i try not to < 1381857527 326742 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :11) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 14) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 15) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea < 1381857583 88242 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`style < 1381857584 474078 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: style: not found < 1381857589 75662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1381857598 968694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1381857599 115128 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1381857687 911559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can schee the #scheme roots. < 1381857689 594069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See. < 1381857799 635792 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron < 1381857799 818769 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) < 1381857863 266578 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hello? < 1381857874 370624 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, no response today? < 1381857877 334827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any mahjong playing today? < 1381857898 298367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Is the Enron set closed today? < 1381858083 601931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You may have exhausted your limit. < 1381858095 461398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speak, friend, and enter. < 1381858095 788856 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: by the time we wish you the best to get out the attached. whether the shipper on k. see the spreadsheet. < 1381858102 894935 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1381858113 266632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a four-in-a-row rule. < 1381858148 439024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the Enron style is terribly good. < 1381858164 685768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good style that isn't irc? < 1381858191 845275 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :flamenco. < 1381858199 88319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style flamenco < 1381858199 233931 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1381858205 5309 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm disappointed < 1381858205 203366 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: therefore i was sorting the stations according to the money."? third offense. < 1381858216 294284 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1381858216 443362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1381858216 443560 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1381858220 386407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have their own pros and cons. < 1381858228 619530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But many of them are good only sporadically. < 1381858234 407223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The style of my stories and games maybe (note: there is no such thing, therefore it cannot possibly be the best style, nor can it possibly be the worse). < 1381858265 730502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and maybe flamenco may be good but I don't know and since it isn't there you canot use that one either < 1381858569 569466 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1381858641 11120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellion. < 1381859127 68129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381859137 700369 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381859261 863507 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381859311 831748 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381859415 431426 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381859496 957080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo delicious rösti < 1381859554 120266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom < 1381859629 466612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neithem here nom there < 1381859662 572707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from whom shall I borrow the swatter, so I can hit shachaf? < 1381859821 881699 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen the swatter in a while < 1381859856 434136 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381859900 355826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to use a makeshift swatter... < 1381859910 915999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also! In the local grocery store they sold that Hexham Fentimans thing. < 1381859923 797222 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1381859931 193870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf with a carrot plush from Ikea <}= < 1381859958 280027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tasted the shandy the other day. it wasn't half bad. < 1381859973 956705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Swat with a SAMSPLET. < 1381859987 737789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAMSPELT. I can't even spell. < 1381860011 511286 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy green cubic thing... < 1381860068 702473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't have much of a selection, but I bought a Curiosity Cola and their Traditional Ginger Beer. < 1381860082 751402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm "gunna" pretend I'm in Hexham. < 1381860094 981004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they say "gunna" in Hexham < 1381860100 567880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1381860123 873815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if this ASCII mahjong format is OK? s=sou,m=man,p=pin,ESWN=wind,F=hatsu,C=chun,P=haku,a=akadora, / separate blocks for example 123456p/111s/EEECC might be one kind of hand. In case of Washizu mahjong you put opaque tiles in [] and for opponent's unknown tiles you use ? < 1381860171 346261 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have the orange moose from → http://www.ikea.com/ca/fr/catalog/products/80176340/ < 1381860198 93523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For tile taken from other player you type 777m(w) if take from west player, or for "CHII" you can write (4)56p if you have picked the 4 from the other player < 1381860198 239080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have any real decorative IKEA items. < 1381860211 819557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK? < 1381860213 222907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IIRC, I think the anglo-centric version uses A=pin, B=sou, C=man, and G=hatsu, R=chun, W=haku. < 1381860220 486833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, except we have a TRÅDIG! < 1381860228 774348 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you know that "söt barnslig" means "cute childish"? < 1381860240 777521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put apples in the TRÅDIG. < 1381860249 86216 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: now I do. < 1381860303 61290 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you think there may be a possibility of perhaps being able playing mahjong on IRC? < 1381860315 851177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know of any using A=pin, B=sou, C=man. W=haku can't be correct either. < 1381860322 693030 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381860332 590781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Possibly. At least I can play mahjong and you can and possibly others too, maybe in other server? < 1381860414 339534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the ASCII format I mentioned is for UnAmerican. For American, I would suggest using different letters as follows: b=bamboo,c=crack,d=dot,G=green dragon,R=red dragon,0=white dragon,F=flower,J=joker < 1381860456 927806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you get the " A=pin, B=sou, C=man, and G=hatsu, R=chun, W=haku" version from? < 1381860471 704439 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my very, very fuzzy memory. < 1381860488 466039 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that I hallucitiled that. < 1381860502 657701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe it can possibly be correct, especially since W=west < 1381860592 302444 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... 0 can't be correct neither, as it is the orb of zot. I think your proposition is best. < 1381860649 644498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first proposition is best, I think, for Japanese mahjong and all other UnAmerican forms. < 1381860759 945785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of mahjong game involves orbs? < 1381860793 979258 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a not so subtle reference to DCSS... >_>'... < 1381860794 124815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon mahjong (something I made up) involves stones, but not orbs! < 1381861068 668108 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381861124 842454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon mahjong involves 619 tiles (although additional "typeless wildcards" are dealt if the previous hand ended in a draw), and this is only for first generation. It also has two kind of sequences, ambiguity rules for called "chii" and "pon", five special hands (seven pairs, sequence of fourteen, fourteen wildcards, skipping sequence of fourteen, same as your first fourteen untaken discards), and much more. < 1381861133 424959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of pokemon good enough to know this? < 1381861165 745462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also two kinds of furiten (wild and natural). < 1381861184 826279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes at 619... < 1381861269 970593 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 619 / (4 * 17) < 1381861271 437799 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.102941176470589 < 1381861287 817673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you get 4 * 17 from? < 1381861326 563280 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have >9 tile-high walls. isn't that a little bit... excessive? < 1381861337 845269 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one layer of 17 tile-wide wall? < 1381861339 476593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :619 is 151 (number of pokemon species) times four (copies of each), plus 15 (number of types; one typed wildcard of each type). < 1381861361 161261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: O, that's how. Well, you would probably need to use a bag instead of walls, or play the game on a computer. < 1381861372 905682 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :151-wide walls? < 1381861379 871357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like the feeling of a thrown tile at an opponent. < 1381861429 285921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that reminds me of a game of warhammer some friends played over the weekend. 6' × 12' table, 15 000 points each side. < 1381861517 731076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Of course it wouldn't be easily playable with walls; a computer, or an automatic mixer, or something, would help. < 1381861535 996860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think I have seen warhammer game just once < 1381861600 562502 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have ever seen one < 1381861605 988262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I know nothing of the rules :< < 1381861647 372089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this Pokemon mahjong, closed sets may be ambiguous but open sets are required to be unambiguous. For example, [3,fire,joker] and [4,fire,joker] are ambiguous, [2,fire,joker] is unambiguous, and [1,fire,joker] is not a valid set at all. < 1381861684 191277 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381861711 902461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the rules include always rolling many dice many times, and boasting that your units are always better, even when playing against the same kind of figurines. < 1381861806 603646 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1381862087 419637 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1381862536 154660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pokemon mahjong I don't know how much more difficult it will be to make a hand. Although there is a lot more possible tiles, it also has some features to make it somewhat easier: It has wildcards, all (natural) tiles are numeric, only two of the numbers are end tiles, two kind of sequences (although this only improves your chances in more than one generation, it affects scoring even in first generation), Charleston, evolution stones, etc < 1381862561 878358 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381862584 115932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand this so far? < 1381862755 553384 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ YES ]] NO < 1381862790 583599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In first generation a [25,26] can be completed with a 24 or 27. In second generation, it can be completed with a 24, 27, or 172. < 1381862812 932023 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1381862859 725862 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@cpe-071-077-218-179.ec.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1381862876 690517 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I SEE [[ WHAT IS A 172? ]] ORANGE JUICE GOODBYE! < 1381862891 616900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :172 = Pichu < 1381862970 696716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome snuffeluffegus < 1381862973 318564 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0610snuffeluf03fegus: Welcome to the05 intern14ati12o03nal hub02 f04or 07esoteric progr11ammin03g 03language 08design an02d deployment! For mo14re inform09ati08on, check o03ut our wiki: http://08esolangs.org/w04iki/Main_09Pag12e. (For the other k12in14d of es05ote07rica13, tr02y #09esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1381863001 352985 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I miss the first gen. I wonder if I can play the games on my ouya... < 1381863063 524960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: If you have a GameBoy emulator (and the ROM image), or a rewrite of the game, then you can. < 1381863064 868129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1381863084 812778 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: has anyone rewritten the entire game? < 1381863104 500077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I don't know, but I think some people have at least partially done so on some systems. < 1381863169 980349 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@cpe-071-077-218-179.ec.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey thanks for the welcome < 1381863177 949013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote how to make the Pokemon Red game on a 8x8 ASCII display and only seven buttons (none of which are pushed simultaneously), while still displaying much more information at once than the actual game, and allowing commands to be entered much more quickly than the actual game too! < 1381863185 161347 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nothing else, surely you'll be able to find a Gameboy emulator for the Ouya < 1381863223 871807 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: c code please < 1381863228 591673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to shorten each element type to one letter, each item and move name to five letters, get rid of the species names entirely (and use only numbers), shorten nicknames to two letters, etc but it does work! < 1381863244 597054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I didn't write it in C, though. I just prototyped it on a paper. < 1381863251 825006 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1381863268 19862 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1381863269 30422 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pokemon-like game in terminal could be fun < 1381863292 845938 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote an RPG thing with a battle system vaguely similar to Pokémon in TI-BASIC < 1381863296 872011 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin__ < 1381863298 295335 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't recommend doing that < 1381863305 820265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-BASIC isn't terribly fun to program in < 1381863317 426404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is every basic < 1381863333 554096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write a solitaire card game in TI-92 TI-BASIC (which isn't actually BASIC) < 1381863355 348595 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1381863371 446810 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most annoying part of TI-BASIC is the lack of indentation and comment syntax < 1381863373 782481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes I also wanted possibly having Pokemon game in Z-machine, even, called "Z-Pokemon" (not to confuse with "Pokemon Z"). < 1381863387 275040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: TI-92 supports indentation and comments. < 1381863405 594485 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this was TI-82 BASIC < 1381863551 402852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually argue about HOW crappy it was? < 1381863601 777674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 8x8 Pokemon game I had, in battle you push up/down/left/right for each attack (each direction corresponds to an attack), A to shift, B to use item, C to escape or surrender (you will blacked out if you surrender, and lose money just as if you have lost the battle normally). Outside of battle, run into an object to activate it, A to pokemons, B to items, C for a status screen (which also allows saving game and using HMs). < 1381863680 941877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some features are omitted such as the Pokedex and what a lot of the people say. < 1381863681 87379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You can "indent" in TI-86 BASIC, with extra ":"s. < 1381863692 656572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: (Though there isn't that much screen space to indent to.) < 1381863708 984977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of the important parts are there. < 1381863709 860735 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hahahahaha < 1381863711 825665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming ":" was the command separation character. < 1381863714 374312 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I recall that making the programs run noticeably slower though < 1381863720 439572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can't indent, fill with NOPs" < 1381863725 894211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, yes, it's a tradeoff. :p < 1381863771 60351 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds very very creepy < 1381863780 978976 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the TI-86 that slow that doing a 1-cycle NOP noticeably slow it??? < 1381863808 368205 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you do like 2 to 6 before EVERY command < 1381863810 276430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, doing enough of them to have it act as indentation did, as I recall anyway < 1381863834 906008 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I mean, the machine's clocked at 6 MHz! < 1381863838 399927 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that is fairly bad < 1381863860 347670 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on the TI-82 stat < 1381863908 270156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, same clock speed though < 1381863919 707039 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, frequency < 1381863936 590821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed and frequency are the same thing :D < 1381863952 451038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a very much warped out universe) < 1381863975 817782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, but using "speed" there felt wrong < 1381863990 204889 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess both are s⁻¹ in the context of CPUs < 1381864035 889801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you play Dungeons&Dragons game, can you tell me if the list of things I needed to prepare and request of the kingdom was a good one, or what I missed or whatever? < 1381864359 465878 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1381864444 183574 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381864542 38872 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which kingdom? are you refering to the level20.tex file? < 1381864608 815610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The level20.tex is the game, yes, but the list of things is in the IRC log (I will find and copy it out for you). It is the kingdom that I managed to save < 1381864641 499074 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job on that < 1381864727 55582 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't no job that can't be enlatexed. < 1381864761 734537 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I've been lagging on the last few updates... oh well. I'll wait for a few more sgeo quotes, then batch everything together.) < 1381864765 799204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "enlatexed" mean? < 1381864779 596703 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to transcribe into LaTeX. < 1381864808 898526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, a lot of things can be done with that. < 1381864831 145419 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote weird < 1381864832 374702 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :258) I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!! \ 717) Sgeo: I used to have strict requirements for when I said hi but then everyone started saying hi and it all got weird \ 749) STOP CAPITALIZING It's making me < 1381864865 438194 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381864874 642368 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aren't you glad we did, lumpi- oh. gone. i guess we stopped capitalizing. < 1381864875 904907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote unusual < 1381864877 98615 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :298) i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent \ 1072) TeX is a bit unusual when doing things other than typesetting < 1381864890 573446 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! 1072 it is. < 1381864911 313977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lumpio? capitalizing? < 1381864912 82412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's not a 1-cycle NOP, it's an empty BASIC instruction. < 1381864922 27127 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 749. < 1381864923 634253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good point. < 1381864927 571706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The BASIC interpreter is incredibly slow, as are all other ROM routines on that thing. < 1381864944 643669 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: je vois. < 1381864954 715756 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vois too < 1381864966 399623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mooz (of #esoteric 2003 fame) disassembled the BCD-float math routines on it and said they could probably be orders of magnitude faster, for example. < 1381865001 168940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vois too, i vois tooooo, iiiiii vois toooo ♪ < 1381865012 127332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry. that's just inherently funny to sing ☺) < 1381865022 624354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yowtch. < 1381865144 236116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I found it in 2013-10-14 < 1381865164 651396 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, i thought that was today. < 1381865165 104934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this HackEgo you can search the logs < 1381865174 804824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random fact of the day: TI-86 math works with 10-byte full-software floats. (One byte of flags, incl. sign; two bytes for a power-of-ten exponent in the -999..999 range encoded with a bias of 0xfc00; seven bytes for a 14-digit BCD mantissa.) < 1381865203 712368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, I have to do some prepare (including to ask things of the kingdom) before continuing on the next quest. I have some ideas; tell me if you think I missed something? * Ask for a spare space on a shelf to store my books and stuff I don't need to carry to there * Request a boat or boat ticket * Summon a familiar < 1381865223 65756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Study the Calimsham some more * Find religious ties in Church of Gxxyuxihuvxi in both cities * Try to ask father's friend if he is a speaker in dreams * Get the Calimsham advisor and others who may need to come < 1381865223 250188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but whyyyyy? < 1381865228 685671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There it is. < 1381865257 992049 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, nice! but why is the Chuch name in Albanian? < 1381865261 726735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Decimal formats maybe have a bit less cases where they do unintuitive things, since you can at least represent most inputs exactly. < 1381865278 465548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It isn't in Albanian, maybe it resembles Albanian but I don't know. < 1381865359 312367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that's slightly funny is that you could easily fit a -9999..9999 exponent range in those bits; but maybe that's a market segmentation thing. (Or maybe it really made something easier, who knows.) < 1381865362 154306 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381865382 996330 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: according to my d&ding experience, always have a familiar with you. very useful against TPK. < 1381865398 627398 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aps.1364/abstract Psychoanalysis is the best < 1381865423 910247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That isn't the purpose here but yes that can be one purpose. (Furthermore there aren't any other players at this time) < 1381865478 475033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you're talking to people, always ask your way around about presence of agents provocateurs, extremist factions, sects, conspiracies, and stuff. < 1381865494 940232 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're playing D&D by yourself? < 1381865515 818353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've spent like four hours reading Xen internals, because I'm terribly tempted by that XenRust idea, even though I know beforehand I'd (at best) just make something borderline working and then abandon it in ~/src. < 1381865517 472620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No. It is possible other players will come in but they usually don't by now; however there is still a DM < 1381865520 369040 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs someone to play RPGs with :P < 1381865528 82233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though at least it's been moderately interesting. I did learn -- in retrospect, unsurprising -- that paravirtualized Linux-on-Xen on x86-64 runs the guest kernel in ring 3 too. (The x86-32 implementation has the guest kernel in ring 1; both have Xen itself in ring 0 and guest userland in ring 3, of course.)) < 1381865546 861364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, I know I have to learn about those things too. < 1381865547 7243 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose D&D game is this? < 1381865556 755508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? danddreclist < 1381865560 44064 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex (the precompiled .dvi is also available) < 1381865565 354578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: It is that one < 1381865589 952735 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1381865595 123978 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought that he got lucky and found players < 1381865604 555532 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a long thing to read btw < 1381865649 742667 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? JesseH < 1381865649 967736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1381865651 386684 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1381865662 668236 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1381865681 824731 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will GM for food < 1381865683 918329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: To know the current situation,read the part near the end of the file; it is a letter I transcribed < 1381865689 630548 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that you don't exists yet. are you sure that you're not Canadian? < 1381865696 498693 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: ↑ < 1381865703 345165 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy arrow :3 < 1381865715 98902 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :←_→ < 1381865719 12662 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::OOO < 1381865720 84676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RCtrl-Shift-U. < 1381865740 995792 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1381865757 950185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :←↓↑→ < 1381865759 500822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to beat Aberration Hater and unimprison my character's father. < 1381865768 139700 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has 'em on altgr+shift+hjkl < 1381865774 612790 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, dont do it, its a trap < 1381865784 198161 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :your father is already dead < 1381865786 793853 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to kill you too < 1381865791 140001 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what"s␣up␣friends < 1381865793 860771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: I considered that. < 1381865807 57838 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike, i ride you everyday < 1381865807 738075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a possibility. That is why I am going to check things first! < 1381865813 138610 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1381865819 292112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all the spells and psychic communications to check things. < 1381865820 805765 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't supposed to be dirty....... < 1381865826 540409 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like bikes :3 < 1381865828 185948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Canadian_Multilingual_Standard < 1381865829 887679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they do want to kill me do then maybe I can beat them up too < 1381865840 86675 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I am not canadan < 1381865843 756085 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :CANNONDAN < 1381865866 560084 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have any necromancy spells available? < 1381865896 284475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Of that school, yes, but not the ones to raise dead and kill someone dead and stuff like that. < 1381865918 316071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking along the speak-with-the-dead line. < 1381865938 978917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ah. Well, I do have speak-with-the-living line, so I can use that on two different people. < 1381865971 934797 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell schools are confusing. imo, everything should be under conjurations. need to make it rain? *BOOM* rain. fireball? *BOOM* fireball. diplomacy with an emissary from an exotic nation? *BOOM* instant trade agreement. < 1381866009 529736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just to troll my GM next time, I should try to setup a P2P network between cadavers :D < 1381866032 966119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use that. I have no fireballs, if I need fire I can cast a different spell (energy ray), or just light a fire using a torch. < 1381866057 117394 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transhumanist_Wager < 1381866107 214900 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: “compared to the Ayn Rand novel Atlas Shrugged” < 1381866109 793068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "Correspond" and will use that on both my father and my father's friend. < 1381866131 789168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What character do you play? Do you have a familiar and if so which one? What spells, if any? < 1381866278 817188 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381866278 962741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I play a custom monk-druid mix. I have a legacy spectral seagull. I can summon porcupines, crocodiles and pantheras. < 1381866384 606386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The familiar I wanted is a leech but there are no stats for that < 1381866412 145329 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc leeches are basically considered one hit kill able. < 1381866433 720275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Familiars have modified hit points though < 1381866452 610658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in general I suppose so < 1381866461 804647 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you're going to beef up a leech to the point where it can take a hit from a sword and not die. < 1381866491 567493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think we can. < 1381866513 105752 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think you can, but that think will be wrong. < 1381866533 457927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the rules for familiars? < 1381866566 394677 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact rules as prescribed by WotC? no. < 1381866568 191253 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1381866599 992560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think familiars have the same hit points according to its master's level regardless of what animal it is or its Con score, and also get bonus AC < 1381866629 81716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can just gurps it, and have something custom that goes well with the RP. < 1381866646 68913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing GURPS. < 1381866660 428350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor do I know how) < 1381866785 877789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant is: start with a blank character sheet, fill in the necessary stats, and treat your familiar as a PC. < 1381866801 589312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A familiar isn't a PC. < 1381866827 126990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the stats can be filled in for NPCs too in that way I suppose. < 1381866884 857779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some familiars also have a power when in range with the master, and/or a power anywhere, so I can make up stuff like that too and see if it is good. < 1381867052 291146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A familiar is also useful if you want to cast a "you" spell on someone other than yourself. < 1381867286 237092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know the stats you can tell me I will write it down. < 1381867355 178944 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have a copy somewhere in my inbox, perhaps, maybe, peut-être... < 1381867413 762831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at French, sorry. < 1381867441 843410 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries, I have a draft PDF, written in English. < 1381867445 305630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone in your game have a familiar? < 1381867464 561755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need the entire fire. < 1381867466 138340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fire/file/ < 1381867476 131002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1381867504 527180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only me, the PDF is small, and I need your e-mail address. < 1381867526 407534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any email. < 1381867533 911812 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!siaçnarf el sdnerppa) < 1381867537 871921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: say wut? < 1381867572 647185 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this subliminal message was presented to you by the Groupe d'Action Populaire pour la Propagation du Français) < 1381867578 804794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some PDF files don't work in my computer. < 1381867600 834429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you copy the relevant stats in one line of text I can deal with that however. < 1381867612 603034 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it'll work, but I'll try. < 1381867654 319297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ot < 1381867658 163898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1381867679 973796 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vn:ớt en:chili. < 1381867700 289253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's the stereotypical norwegian meal these days, so approximately. < 1381867754 445556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sounds hot < 1381867811 707593 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the stats: Str 12 Dex 20 Wis 14 Con 17 lnt 3 Cha 7 < 1381867823 581442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rösti? < 1381867824 215437 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a bunch of other stuff I'm trying to one-line-format) < 1381867840 879090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://www.facebook.com/elliot.waldman < 1381867853 625067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: pizza < 1381867875 764061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Int (not "lnt") for normal animals is 1 or 2, not 3. For a familiar, it is overridden (the normal Int score is ignored), however. OK? < 1381867887 623757 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call bullshit < 1381867888 501781 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/4QYKt.png < 1381867894 801201 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da PRIVMSG #esoteric :/wrong channel < 1381867936 683398 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: here it comes... < 1381867939 347431 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mouette (a.k.a. Living Zephyr) // Medium elemental magical beast // HP your bloodied value // Init Yours // AC 14, Fortitude 13, Reflex 14, Will 13 (add your level to each defense) // Perception Yours + 2 // Speed 0, fly 6 (hover; altitude limit 2) // Traits: Debris Cloud ✦ Aura 2 The aura is lightly obscured to enemies. // Standard actions: Animal Attack ✦ At-Will // Attack: Melee 1 (one creature); < 1381867941 978214 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your level + 5 vs. AC Hit: 1d10 + your Wisdom modifier damage, and the zephyr can slide the target 1 square. // Str 12 Dex 20 Wis 14 Con 17 lnt 3 Cha 7 // Feats Staff Expertise, Battlewise, Improved defences, Mark of healing, Spirit stalker, Mending spirit // Resilient focus: You have a +2 feat bonus to saving throws. < 1381867959 108558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders an irc client which posts wrongly spelled /commands to the channel instead. < 1381867980 515829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: O, so that is for the Living Zephyr. < 1381867990 919118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted the stats for the small leech though. < 1381868047 695833 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. < 1381868052 319284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyways that isn't a valid familiar for 3.5E) < 1381868064 823733 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. that's a 4e seagull. < 1381868077 972888 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to ask my GM for leech stats. < 1381868099 305580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably going to be useful some day for our ongoing campaign, knowing the kind of situations we find ourselves in) < 1381868108 978736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A valid familiar consists of stats for an unmodified animal, adjusted according to the rules for familiars (not its own rules), plus any special powers that may be available to familiars of that type. < 1381868115 808519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What kind of situations are those? < 1381868138 867940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: slimituations. < 1381868165 653250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a real word? < 1381868275 210548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says no < 1381868323 651284 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381868350 28733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then please tell me what is it meaning if you just made it up? < 1381868356 929132 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1381868383 511088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play this D&D game tomorrow, so I am writing down this list of stuff on this paper since he asked me to write what I needed prepare/request < 1381868479 594725 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: slimy situations. < 1381868502 680454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, slimy situations. OK. < 1381868566 560610 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and profundly, deeply, markedly stupid situations where the Facepalms Echo along the Great Cosmos. < 1381868571 348519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of slimy situations, do you have example? < 1381868598 975358 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... voluntarily throwing oneself in a stagnating puddle of mutagenic fluid? < 1381868634 942894 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traversing a putrid swamp made of slithering snakes? < 1381868649 652505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you go into the puddle to avoid being caught by someone else? < 1381868656 88677 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1381868685 344989 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no. my friend just likes to pinball his character in the most gore and unselfpreservating way. < 1381868687 405020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did go into a swamp with snakes once, but I had wood boots for everyone in the party so the snakes didn't hurt us too badly. < 1381868710 654522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can play pinball with D&D? < 1381868752 737671 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaphoric pinball. like, random flailing around, rampant ADHD, and trying to find the most unwholesome way to achieve something, preferably by hitting the most people along the way. < 1381868763 686130 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hitting physically, hitting romantically, hitting psychically...) < 1381868784 574156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and butchering the French language at each sentence :D < 1381868852 412473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, like that. It isn't how I play this game, though, I prefer to hit people on the way when necessary and not hit anyone when it isn't necessary. < 1381868853 44625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :baller le pin < 1381868868 162088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: c'est mignon. < 1381868925 4573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: our team tends to act like a bunch of overly inquisitive thugs. ingame, we are nicknamed Explosion-on-the-Ocean. < 1381869008 56354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do strange things a lot, but due to what I think seem reasonable to the situation and to plan ahead, not to just do crazy things for no reason (unless there isn't anything else to do). < 1381869009 397346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were any actual (ingame) oceans harmed in the making of that nickname < 1381869054 821253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oceans? pfshaw. you lack ambition :P < 1381869077 840002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we completely annihilated the whole multiverse and their gods during our last campaign. MWAH AH AH AH AH! < 1381869131 941368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oops! Unless that was the goal, you lose! (If it was the goal, congratulation you win!) < 1381869132 295276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also did jesseh essentially provide his approximate coordinates unasked < 1381869136 728711 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(serial escalation with drama, trahisons, heel turns, overpowered scrolls, armies, end of the world summonings, and things to that effect) < 1381869160 696474 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it... uhm... I think it was a goal, somehow. nevertheless, it was grandiose. < 1381869204 52221 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I resisted the temptation to get too much details, unless you are talking about the fact he provided me with a town, where I only had a state beforehand. < 1381869206 878301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were there other necessary goals too? If so, you would have had to do those other things at first if you want it to count, otherwise you will still lose. < 1381869235 760604 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll have to dig to find the journal of that fateful day. < 1381869247 462068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i do. < 1381869293 153350 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in that case, I think that's a yes. < 1381869352 944468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it's not like the approximations are reliably _better_ than town size. < 1381869373 270783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine are. < 1381869382 983184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that guy who provided coordinates for approximately the midpoint of washington state. < 1381869421 165463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and later mentioned being in olympia, iirc) < 1381869431 207033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's coördinates are very unprecise, and are very washingtonian. < 1381869467 146170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why in fungot did I put Norrköpingsvägen for olsner...) < 1381869467 322901 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if that is not used commonly and carries with it an array subscript was too easy heh one time i figured if it's possible, notify the notary. < 1381869472 239277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been him. if the coordinates are in the middle of a forest nowhere. < 1381869498 897200 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: exactly what I'm thinking. < 1381869499 65665 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: uh, sorry, i have no information. he seemed, in fine, i can verify it up, leaving the new information could be provided that it is. < 1381869510 699035 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: darn. foiled by your lack of information! < 1381869510 844933 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to, uhhh.... like nuns in the street, and has not named a < 1381869526 574379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sadly, there aren't many streetwise nuns left. < 1381869526 758610 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there < 1381869536 145785 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaah, good airbus memories... < 1381869563 814667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did fungot just offer to verify olsner's Norrköpingsvägen address?? < 1381869563 960138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: just to help an fnord archive) when it suffices that fnord is fnord to me is my fnord' doggie than a dozen tales, of the whole fnord range of the ' ' ' delete a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna get worse and worse each week, < 1381869571 753613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make up stats for the small leech? (not the big one) < 1381869591 701171 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's enough fnord for this week for you < 1381869591 847045 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: just to help an fnord archive) < 1381869601 718012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1381869605 630985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if killed in one hit that's OK because that is automatically overridden anyways) < 1381869641 774422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Then change the mode to something other than "fnord". < 1381869655 381547 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1381869655 527393 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1381869682 101107 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1381869682 246769 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1381869701 688167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the only style generating actually interesting lines < 1381869705 700286 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, fungot? < 1381869705 959560 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: thats why the terminator should be n... the output is the same < 1381869710 314957 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381869715 643575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive mode, in honor of yudkowsky's invited talk at MIT which i just read of in scott aaronson's blog < 1381869717 420892 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except this time < 1381869751 590220 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invited him to talk < 1381869760 262851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson did. < 1381869770 723674 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. < 1381869772 533768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking, isn't it. < 1381869793 73820 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson's "rationalist" streak is so annoying ~_~ < 1381869797 538390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in the same blog post and comments, you can deduce that aaronson doesn't have web design sense. < 1381869847 824519 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fan of embedded whatevertex? < 1381869857 790195 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow that shit is ugly < 1381869862 349770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that part is ok, although it doesn't seem to work in the rss. < 1381869868 814770 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ain't kiddin here < 1381869891 654923 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :giant fucking thumbs < 1381869892 43974 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381869907 356789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accidentally making every comment bold < 1381869940 510408 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost want to know why they're not doing "singularity" crap any more but then i'd have to pay attention to them... < 1381869962 568388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sold the word "singularity" to Singularity University < 1381869981 171368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also breaking comment formatting. < 1381869981 366130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaced all their references to it with "intelligence explosion" or something < 1381869993 330893 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell how joking you are < 1381870005 520645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug, this is the story i heard < 1381870006 568570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, they will replace it by "suffusion of yellow" (nomic joke) < 1381870057 562184 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :overcurious yellow (book joke??) < 1381870090 52702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs (dong joke) < 1381870173 838363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The other ones do actually interesting lines (well, allegedly) too, just rarely. < 1381870174 652154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :đồngs (phở joke) < 1381870180 275025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's recursive mode? < 1381870194 114579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ^style fungot < 1381870194 415634 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: come on, nobody's allowed to use it as a guide, where the module system in scheme < 1381870195 419520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now I've installed Xen in a qemu and it's entirely your fault. < 1381870213 723331 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@cpe-071-077-218-179.ec.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381870287 600228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1381870442 87923 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what kmc said re: "singularity" is entirely correct/not a joke < 1381870484 18597 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wwas afraid of that < 1381870500 523380 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know "singularity" was trademarked < 1381870554 83041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it's a legal thing or just "we want to not get confused with you guys" < 1381870557 884448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : “fnord java has a consistent api with a design in mind” <-- it's like java, except designed by the illuminati and therefore much more powerful. < 1381870578 546995 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it was not trademarked < 1381870600 41817 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was it actually sold or what < 1381870610 271991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you going to make xenrust now? < 1381870622 706190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I sure hope not. < 1381870635 50674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But I suppose I'll fiddle with at least something that runs under PV Xen. < 1381870652 800160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe I'll make a Xefunge-98 interpreter to run fungot on. < 1381870652 954036 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it creates an object < 1381870677 767728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, well, never mind then. < 1381870678 59810 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but the generated core is less clever ( no real optimisations) but a lot < 1381870687 779086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm sure it wouldn't be very clever. < 1381870728 754606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find some nice documentation on how to build a PV something for running in xen? < 1381870817 834499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1381870834 226887 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, i'm paying attention, oops < 1381870867 299628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw I saw there are already some mailing list posts about rust on xen < 1381870878 108990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could definitely ask in #rust on irc.mozilla.org < 1381870904 363325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait can i sell words to people < 1381870912 223918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: want to buy some good words < 1381870925 502496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones tho < 1381870932 497738 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what now? < 1381870936 208094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i tell you you might steal them!! < 1381870953 628467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're good < 1381870958 889976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a zero knowledge proof < 1381870960 236996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :words like "pinecone" < 1381870986 109647 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the former "Singularity Institute" sold the singularity.org domain name to "Singularity University", along with the rights to run the "Singularity Summit" conference and an agreement not to use the word "singularity" much anymore < 1381870995 662962 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, heh. < 1381871035 126180 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of reminds me of when London realised they needed to replace London Bridge < 1381871052 777302 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somebody had the bright idea that they could probably get somebody to buy the old one < 1381871061 344415 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, they cashed out the name? < 1381871076 824487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw that too, and it didn't seem like there was anything else than those mailing list posts. (I guess I'll proceed to a Rust channel if I "master" Xen. Though it didn't really seem all too tricky, just... fiddly with page tables and such.) < 1381871086 849294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1381871094 187166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 smoke page tables every day < 1381871115 557249 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yes. though also i don't think they wanted to be associated with the term "singularity" so much anymore anyway < 1381871119 502386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, but I found all kinds of bits and pieces that could charitably be called documentation that did form some sort of a coherent picture. < 1381871127 957276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke test every day < 1381871148 815182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: why not < 1381871188 939545 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: makes sense < 1381871241 968134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Things like a 2006 paper on details of how the x86-64 XenLinux PV port was done (which incidentally had nice information on Xen's architecture), and some slideshows on the topic of Xen memory management, and of course there's *some* documentation also in the docs/ of the Xen repository -- and esp. in xen.h, the hypercall API spec -- it's just quite unorganized. < 1381871349 500035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: now you've seen it < 1381871369 506028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1381871369 859473 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my lab was attacked by china yesterday. yay internet < 1381871399 192320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And a bit temporally variable. Like, the standard PV guest kernel is an ELF executable, but they have two redundant ways of specifying the Xen-specific where-to-load-it stuff: a "__xen_guest" section at the start of the file with the data in an ASCII string, now deprecated; and a whole set of Xen-specific ELF "note" sections, which is the modern preferred way. < 1381871434 841203 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because the term "singularity" had come to refer too much to general technoyay and not particular ideas about AI, and was a somewhat poor term for the latter anyway < 1381871453 454246 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and because focus on the term probably makes them seem more cultish < 1381871530 688400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (Plus as an alternative to a "kernel" line there's also a "bootloader" line that at least PyGrub -- a thing that lets PV guests boot a kernel "from the inside" -- uses, and that has some sort of a protocol, but I haven't found out what it was. And then there's the fact that a "kernel" line can specify a stock Linux (xen pvops-enabled) kernel which certainly isn't an ELF file, I haven't ... < 1381871536 680660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... really found details on that yet.) < 1381871545 352927 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a problem they have enough as it is < 1381871556 256597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: as opposed to "intelligence explosion" *cough* < 1381871584 123298 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not in their name anymore < 1381871589 526082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one: you found the swatter? two: why FireFly? < 1381871593 528377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's adorable how this cult tries so hard to not sound like a cult < 1381871597 897195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think linux kernels are normally ELF files, because qemu's -kernel options takes an ELF kernel < 1381871608 72561 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes "intelligence explosion" is less vague and mystical-sounding < 1381871611 739098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have always had the swatter. also, flies need swatting. < 1381871618 567750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a Xen kernel you might need those extra notes perhaps < 1381871632 904359 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1381871645 903180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: makes sense. now I remember having had to swat someone this morning, but I can't recall whom. < 1381871658 733128 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think there are cults that try harder < 1381871658 968114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: really, it doesn't take a zImage / bzImage? < 1381871661 520995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe both < 1381871678 354046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There certainly isn't a ELF header at the start of a bzImage. < 1381871708 344554 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Forum < 1381871709 729379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think-know it takes ELFs and multiboot images at least, but it might take zimages and bzimages as well < 1381871734 619773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, it wouldn't be very surprising if Xen did too. < 1381871735 589216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you get an ELF kernel as part of the kernel build process but it's not generally considered the final result < 1381871740 701226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're building UML, of course!) < 1381871743 471431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I've gotten used to it < 1381871755 502957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :re. "why FireFly?" < 1381871768 96664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I like that Linux still doesn't use multiboot despite GRUB being the preferred bootloader on PC hardware < 1381871774 231379 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs swats FireFly < 1381871775 717014 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found < 1381871782 481665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog swats FireFly < 1381871799 923822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any mainstream oses actually use multiboot? < 1381871800 920876 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurry up already, HackEgo. you can do it < 1381871817 408780 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my current machine I'm stuck with a legacy grub that I fear to update due to a stupid rm -rf made in /var one day... < 1381871817 684820 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can't < 1381871828 812518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, and that PyGrub is a Python thing that runs in dom0 and reads a kernel from the guest filesystem using filesystem drivers extracted from GRUB -- but there's also PvGrub, which runs a paravirtualized variant of Grub inside the domU and boots like that. < 1381871835 369065 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24793 < 1381871841 764558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... he could! < 1381871846 304201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiboot seems to be mostly used for "OSes not big enough to build their own system and convince a boot loader to support it" < 1381871857 124332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it was shachaf, but i have a rule about not swatting shachaf because he likes it too much. < 1381871862 276110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The idea being that if you have a bug in the filesystem drivers, a maliciously crafted guest filesystem can't infect the dom0. < 1381871928 31883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NetBSD at least supports building the kernel as a multiboot image. < 1381871935 462543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's standard practice or not. < 1381871936 193312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what was me < 1381871943 795124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some kind of a kludge like that for Linux too. < 1381871969 867195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this have to do with pizza < 1381871972 357558 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381872016 559529 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you like swatting yourself with pizza, then yes, it is you that were. < 1381872018 526635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf < 1381872052 739606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't aware that i liked being swatted < 1381872055 283173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can believe it < 1381872153 412728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Besides, isn't GNU Hurd a mainstream OS? < 1381872199 737206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No. < 1381872223 828775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, and the Xen hypervisor itself is a multiboot image, that's the only supported way to boot it. Though it doesn't quite qualify as an OS, probably. < 1381872225 367886 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381872276 998053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION make -j8 || make -j8 < 1381872297 210901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my housemate geofft keeps threatening to add more of a userspace to GRUB < 1381872299 905825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't quite understood how Xen works though, is there an actual hypervisor outside the dom0 kernel? < 1381872342 548092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why make after make? < 1381872345 803857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc yes, the dom0 kernel is also paravirtualized, it just has special powers to ask the hypervisor to do things < 1381872350 644981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: because sometimes it fails the first time. < 1381872384 272292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :makemake < 1381872396 785264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To do... what, exactly? < 1381872404 563406 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's vile, but it's make, so nothing surprising there. < 1381872422 819111 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure it's make'd < 1381872423 966124 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1381872427 112225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot up new domUs i guess < 1381872429 645372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kill them < 1381872431 691668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do things to them < 1381872438 85368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also to talk directly to hardware. < 1381872472 90647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And the "To do... what" was referring to the GRUB userspace. :p < 1381872621 672756 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boot things up and kill them and do things to them < 1381872662 808715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days there are also "driver domains", which is a unprivileged domain that's been given dominion over a particular hardware device, and it runs a pruned kernel with a driver for that piece of hardware; the idea being, again, that if the driver borks, rest of the system will survive and can even try restarting the driver domain. < 1381872667 559576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh < 1381872696 412069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: uh to do various crypto things relating to secure boot, I think, but really because GRUB is the GNU kernel and it needs a userspace < 1381872706 717141 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reading Surfaces and Essences is like biting an apple and finding half a worm. It's like a pancake eating contest. It is the Phantom Menace of cognitive science literature." < 1381872713 699484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that GRUB Invaders already, though. < 1381872719 443374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's got games. < 1381872734 375482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1381872756 691920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it's not really part of the "GRUB userland" since it's a "kernel" started by GRUB. < 1381872835 149721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can you implement POSIX on top of GRUB? < 1381872841 596441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is glibc GRUB-compatible? < 1381872859 39438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold questions < 1381872924 392214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does posix require virtual memory and preemptive multitasking? < 1381873066 206394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a fungot produce sane sentences? < 1381873066 532016 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: egads, a giant fuss. < 1381873067 323980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, most of the complexities described in the PV-XenLinux paper were about trying to paravirtualize Linux with the least amount of changes, and to deal with the fact that it needs to separate guest-kernel from guest-userspace while both are in ring 3, which made it sound like porting a language (in a single-application scenario) could be simpler; no need to start with something that ... < 1381873073 331620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... expects to run on real hardware, and safety for the "userland" because of what it's written in plus it's all in the same boat anyway. < 1381873099 240964 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: hm. most probably chicken. < 1381873103 627269 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381873167 57292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think threads are optional at least in current POSIX. < 1381873178 276468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other bits (the ones with feature codes) are. < 1381873200 306352 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it required that threads use preemptive multitasking < 1381873201 435974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like TCT for "Thread CPU-Time Clocks" and TPS for "Thread Execution Scheduling". < 1381873218 646468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to see what that TPS means. < 1381873228 125733 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i like this expansion < 1381873238 387323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, whatever is missing to implement POSIX I guess you'd just have to add it to grub and that'd be that < 1381873438 38852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Good, because I don't know if I can wade through the POSIXtalk of the "Thread Scheduling" section to see what it really means. < 1381873457 465370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the Thread Execution Scheduling option is defined, and the schedpolicy attribute specifies one of the priority-based policies defined under this option, the schedparam attribute contains the scheduling priority of the thread. A conforming implementation ensures that the priority value in schedparam is in the range associated with the scheduling policy when the thread attributes object is ... < 1381873463 496951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... used to create a thread, or when the scheduling attributes of a thread are dynamically modified." < 1381873466 493492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that sort of stuff. < 1381873472 752245 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important thing is i'm imagining a system that just runs threads one after another. < 1381873495 130699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, not even cooperatively multitasking them? < 1381873495 635788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of time-sharing system? < 1381873509 643172 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just one at a time. would that conform? < 1381873544 759695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the letter of the law, but it's quite clearly not within the spirit of it. < 1381873596 84516 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coward. let's do this. kmc call your friend, it's time to write the Incompatible Timestealing System < 1381873626 825227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the only explicit mentions of preemption do seem to be in sections marked with TPS and PS ("Process Scheduling"). < 1381873711 809556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I guess that could sort of work if your threads would do things like "okay, has the operation I'm waiting for completed yet? no? well, let's spawn a new thread and exit, and hope something else gets scheduled in-between". < 1381873761 870834 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically cooperative multitasking, innit < 1381873774 797962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, that'd be "let's yield and continue". < 1381873782 417444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a crucial semantic difference. < 1381873793 513722 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er how < 1381873822 555206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see, the thing that gets to continue would be a completely new thread and not just a continuation of some old. < 1381873828 143534 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1381873836 537086 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would work out pretty similarly. right? < 1381873856 656745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmaybe if you want to focus on practical notions, but I mean, spiritually! < 1381873876 601017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new threads would be free of all the emotional baggage of their predecessors and mumble mumble hype hype. < 1381873894 500174 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, i shouldn't neglect the spiritual dimension. maybe i'll take a tour of duty in a hadoop monastery < 1381873905 365838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :emotional baggage is probably the biggest performance sink in modern multitasking system < 1381874317 238979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe the Incompatible Timestealing System should use a firm LIFO policy on running. < 1381874381 185463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To prevent nasty hacks like the aforementioned crude attempt at emulating cöpperated multitasking? < 1381874392 392177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1381874410 402933 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking, good thinkin < 1381875017 314411 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1381875321 983071 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381875512 952510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: I need the stats for the small leech, not the big one. So, if you write it on here while I am gone then when I return I will check. < 1381875586 476268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote zzo38 [~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: I need the stats for the small leech, not the big one. So, if you write it on here while I am gone then when I return I will check.] < 1381875590 921386 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1119) zzo38 [~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: I need the stats for the small leech, not the big one. So, if you write it on here while I am gone then when I return I will check.] < 1381875732 848488 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381875848 759198 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381876100 46339 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@rrcs-98-101-186-162.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1381877418 387099 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381878046 905928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cubic+light+year+of+butter < 1381878118 543652 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should tell how many animals were killed for that. < 1381878156 739218 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that collapse into a black hole? < 1381878177 191629 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually isn't that already a black hole. like. isn't the schwarzchild radius of that bigger < 1381878186 419651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM yellow hole < 1381878195 939923 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't managed to find the source code for Jintori, the 2D programming language :-( < 1381878229 361740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 light year)^3) * ((0.96 grams) per (cubic centimeter)) = 4.08658746 × 10^20 solar masses < 1381878232 866612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay um. that's big < 1381878285 898697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a black hole if you have enough matter even if it's not very dense? < 1381878344 141297 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-182.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381878411 940595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black holes aren't really that dense < 1381878462 406708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes. < 1381878522 504216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 1 billion solar mass black hole is 50 times less dense than water < 1381878601 335519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the schwarzchild radius grows linearly with the mass, so the density drops with the cube of the mass, I think? < 1381878607 777325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the square of the mass < 1381878850 579632 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-182.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381878879 103459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1381878886 128438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is some minimum density right? < 1381878898 993777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you have just a huge diffuse cloud of hydrogen, that won't eventually form into a black hole will it < 1381878934 598739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you know how stars get formed don't you... < 1381878938 198778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1381878940 431114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot < 1381878954 813841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you start with a huge diffuse cloud of hydrogen... < 1381878967 839754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also some helium) < 1381878979 30154 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you form the helium through fusion. < 1381878986 869428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is sttar formed, how fusion get ignated < 1381879003 221254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you _can_ it's just that primordial matter is about 25% helium < 1381879023 232052 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. The helium isn't necessary, it just so happens that you don't have clouds of pure hydrogen, you have clouds of mostly hydrogen. < 1381879032 39905 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slutty clouds < 1381879052 692431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__> < 1381879059 550455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :band name < 1381879062 32206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get a star, and if it is big enough, part of it will eventually form a black hole once it stops fusioning. < 1381879079 424030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it's fusioning the energy going out keeps it from collapsing? < 1381879083 924888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1381879087 780443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1381879091 552354 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea of stars, the energy from fusion counteracts gravity < 1381879099 614737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenient < 1381879113 59873 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting thing I remember reading the other day, the largest any cold astronomical body can get is about the size of jupiter < 1381879130 376474 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can get bigger while being hot (fusion) like a star < 1381879133 355619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the final stage is sufficiently violent that most of the mass actually gets thrown out rather than collapsing. < 1381879137 822367 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, a big cold object will just shrink because of gravity < 1381879151 226711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may have heard of "supernovas") < 1381879153 99867 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why white dwarfs get smaller as they get heavier < 1381879159 772390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then neutron stars also get smaller as they get heavier < 1381879179 249638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I get bigger as I get heavier < 1381879190 108879 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only up to a certain point. < 1381879194 316741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm made of metal < 1381879203 200160 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you eat solar systems you'll get smaller as well. < 1381879218 913752 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, don't eat solar systems. < 1381879224 679838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my solar system :< < 1381879230 123857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't eat *your* solar system Fiora < 1381879232 324076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you'll get bigger up until about the size of jupiter, then you'll get smaller < 1381879234 716326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some spare one < 1381879254 933317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you eating solar systems................it's bad for you < 1381879290 283795 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in moderation it can still be part of a healthy diet < 1381879296 106610 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1381879303 239956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wuts < 1381879315 565983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically I guess I eat part of a solar system every day? < 1381879318 615837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like. my food is part of Earth < 1381879337 239691 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought about this. Apparently outside the event horizon is a sphere where photons that happen to be moving tangential to the sphere will be in orbit around the black hole. < 1381879338 523117 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381879341 908326 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Photons*. In orbit. < 1381879348 857104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's the ISCO? < 1381879361 70966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or um. like. it's a little farther ouside the event horizon or something < 1381879376 929849 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 times the Schwarzschild radius. < 1381879407 780335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1381879443 442906 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light can still escape from there, it just so happens that objects moving at speed C tangent to the black hole's event horizon are in orbit there. < 1381879462 400099 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's neat. < 1381879465 328820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, at the event horizon, the only light that will escape is that pointing directly up < 1381879469 757171 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1381879474 691828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the ISCO, light pointing tangentially is at the border of escaping < 1381879478 537009 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense... < 1381879880 328487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381880202 431671 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381880738 803920 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381880953 799062 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381881292 852441 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1381881467 747099 :anthony2!~thony@190.60.60.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381881528 500076 :anthony2!~thony@190.60.60.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1381881552 634999 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-182.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric