< 1381449608 983524 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I miss Fentimans < 1381449620 647660 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I miss liquid in general < 1381449623 988277 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just thirsty < 1381449647 679583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't have fentimans in york, i take. < 1381449660 644462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in hexham and montreal < 1381449663 509342 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that < 1381449669 474375 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just I'm on a student budget now < 1381449676 625155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1381449981 641563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ change polarity, switch < with > and - with + <-- i think it would be a bit more interesting if it also swapped [ and ]. < 1381450029 343619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that, unlike the others, might mess things up badly. < 1381450268 483960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek indian ocean monster cyclone < 1381450436 895767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesn't it automatically make the program malformed unless it contains no loops? < 1381450448 212323 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381450453 734407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use the implied loop-balancing rules from FukYorBrane < 1381450465 230115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume it would be somewhat lenient < 1381450473 777605 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mismatched brackets cause monster cyclones? shit < 1381450481 799698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: scary stuff < 1381450496 237172 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive us, we didn't know < 1381450538 241788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ((])S:^):^IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS YOU KNOW IT < 1381450538 387152 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched []. < 1381450541 417519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1381450546 521198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((])S:^):^IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS YOU KNOW IT < 1381450546 703381 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ...too much output! < 1381450678 873120 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have never known the future < 1381450712 718262 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381450787 247670 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that underload interp is non-compliant < 1381450822 194066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all are. < 1381450879 536259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's absolutely no point in a compliant one. < 1381450943 383059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot quote the one thing that actually _needs_ to be handled with quoting. < 1381451010 430662 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1381451325 615748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall ais523 said the quoting was just leftovers from overload or something. < 1381451332 481910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was < 1381451344 505063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underload you used square brackets for pointers and pointer targets < 1381451347 795722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, in Overload < 1381451374 556688 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how is Underlambda going < 1381451409 35728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm busy < 1381451414 30570 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1381451422 513558 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is your thingy going about the circuits and whatnot < 1381451495 225619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decently < 1381451501 261716 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1381451502 192190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've got to do a bunch of category theory again tonight :( < 1381451506 923947 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1381451509 728736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory makes me angry < 1381451528 690190 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I was formally introduced to functions < 1381451570 210523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why? < 1381451576 636107 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1381451579 241577 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381451631 454495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the functions were polite. < 1381451667 376695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: somewhere between 1/3 and 1/5 were, I imagine < 1381451689 50033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT < 1381451745 560309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1381451771 655740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i make ais523 angry :'( < 1381451783 414160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :categorically so < 1381451963 425153 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/neilfws/status/388462601916542976/photo/1/large something went very wrong here < 1381452070 301304 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-254-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381452227 169518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about the formatting < 1381452277 639611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem like some columns are mushed together < 1381452397 975156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is an arath. < 1381452404 587797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should we be afraid of it. < 1381452755 780729 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: < 1381452774 636985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the case of purchasing, a player makes a request for purchasing an item at a given price, and will pay that price to the order with the lowest listed price. In other words, you will buy the item at your price and not the seller's price if yours is higher than his sell price" < 1381452778 349714 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about EVE Online < 1381452785 196875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that compare/contrast to how it works irl? < 1381452808 544442 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381452826 691373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems opposite < 1381452861 966909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think trades usually happen at the price already on the book, not at the price of the order which is taking liquidity (and so will never reach the order book) < 1381452878 243835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I mean if you're paying attention you would just ask for the lower price anyway < 1381452906 152394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might not be fast enough, plus there are all these weird order types to consider (hidden, floating, etc) < 1381452909 153949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dunno < 1381452986 195912 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381453488 103018 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :plehnu < 1381453512 841509 :plehnu!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :^v < 1381453759 350181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder why EVE does it the way it does, then. More onus on.. the second person to be smart? < 1381453802 361001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like, the stock market? < 1381453838 588717 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how markets work :( < 1381453882 476404 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody really does < 1381454147 513396 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....WIndows Defender decided that an SQLite3 journal file used by my IRC client was malware < 1381454148 278869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1381454165 973356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it has some malware in < 1381454176 296941 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1381454183 222417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* < 1381454208 922301 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc JOIN :#esoteric < 1381454317 780958 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :Fackau < 1381454320 853586 :Fackau!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :Fackaufrenhjtr < 1381454852 238496 :Fackaufrenhjtr!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :^b < 1381454853 740946 :^b!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :^v < 1381455153 895388 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381455237 725289 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1381455428 952751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm happy to report that my browser did _not_ suddenly decide today's logs were a virus. < 1381455438 756351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1381455443 222559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has to appear at the start of a file < 1381455448 677363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be sure to send it exactly at midnight next time. < 1381455868 638910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 1.025 2 < 1381455869 899220 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28.071034525938728 < 1381455920 213495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1381456007 228446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone claimed the 2.5% yearly inflation means doubling in 28 years < 1381456014 889151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1381456795 761114 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1381456878 514954 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-254-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381457284 318599 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381458291 351668 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381459456 318434 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1381459456 648942 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1381459456 944617 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zrdjpqwvtbybwfvl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1381459457 90365 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1381459473 218141 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381459483 943911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1381459488 927615 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1381459528 741299 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381459633 788638 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O there's a person who doesn't like the lens library < 1381459649 687778 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat: < 1381459650 272996 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<= Netsplit between *.net and *.split. Users quit: Bike, sebbu, AwfulProgrammer, olsner < 1381459663 947080 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo < 1381459767 867531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> Netsplit between *.net and *.split ended. Users joined: Bike, olsner, AwfulProgrammer, sebbu < 1381459779 650066 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_after_ Bike said Yo < 1381459813 201261 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am eternal. < 1381460400 560109 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381460606 216741 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1381460606 398319 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twfygbfngropzrue JOIN :#esoteric < 1381461679 790345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I went into a channel which would be the most relevant channel for a language, and asked why the language exists < 1381461682 111365 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not sure" < 1381461749 447851 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1381461931 780506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mccaine.org/2013/10/09/dwarf-fortress-a-marxist-analysis/ < 1381462462 704085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1381462463 174246 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1381462478 831832 :FreeFull!~freefull@2.120.168.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381462489 421267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1381462500 896241 :FreeFull!~freefull@2.120.168.247 QUIT :Changing host < 1381462501 41933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381462742 576917 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... no one here bothered to fall for it --- I was referring to the "racket/gui" language in Racket, which is just Racket + (require racket/gui) < 1381462930 760744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1381462932 598651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tremendously exciting. < 1381462962 171880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see elliott agrees, and on perfect time too. < 1381462998 973151 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i trolled < 1381463089 644648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am eagerly waiting about sgeo telling us how he willfully splits infinitives to rile up other channels. < 1381463104 599271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waiting for < 1381463318 588763 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to pathetically rile < 1381463363 273236 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1381463387 193254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i actually missed that one < 1381463429 327728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew i'd get bad karma from this. < 1381463806 707418 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381463821 788604 :Tefaj!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1381463859 909965 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1381463903 852075 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1381463903 997552 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1381464346 898755 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381466230 617583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, infographic http://xkcd.com/1276/ < 1381466311 142255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1381466424 53385 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't thing Voyager's shadow would be so big. < 1381466939 301989 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(permadeath)"? < 1381466966 723502 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :planet of the roguelikes < 1381467201 452219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: those wacky names are references to http://xkcd.com/1253/ < 1381467384 784723 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blogodrome < 1381467405 894753 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :goldenpalace.com, that's classy < 1381467534 466736 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.somethingawful.com/u/livestock/2009/11/11_17_dogs.jpg related < 1381467629 687096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OKAY < 1381467989 479410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke ruined by incorrect choice of image compression format < 1381468003 586868 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LARGE, FLIGHTLESS DOG < 1381468015 420811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm somehow I missed #1253 < 1381468032 464935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has this rare condition that makes him unable to read jpg compressed text. < 1381468228 5393 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381468597 301347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now learned about goldenpalace.com. and that they _would_ be likely to try to get a planet named after them. < 1381468618 394380 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeedy. < 1381468657 965876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a naked woman holding some playing cards wants to give me €300 < 1381468661 952077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best day ever!! < 1381468779 70715 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky < 1381469095 126230 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1539 < 1381471752 237842 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381472227 290786 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We regret to inform you that we do not allow residents from New York to play on our system" < 1381472584 637686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1381473280 340930 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1381475269 487271 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381476069 264337 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381476685 942447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: while i'm checking out r/friends, the fact that 2^31-1 is prime is used implicitly by my Unlambda in Intercal. < 1381476703 900324 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1381476719 327063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1381476903 119453 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381478874 345518 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381480671 775791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381481023 627897 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1381481151 140712 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1381482439 868848 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1381482444 495423 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1381483015 642387 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381484062 602390 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.191 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381484267 297583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1381485297 961778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381485990 431154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381486168 239041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381486173 807885 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381486973 304178 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1381487017 254665 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good things to hear in a lecture: "Forget everything I just said" < 1381487118 15849 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381487162 953339 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a fun lecture < 1381487529 338525 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381487532 346932 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what lecture < 1381487552 951638 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core algebra < 1381487571 191673 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's trying to remember set theory < 1381487589 817976 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1381487599 589646 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :("He" being the lecturer) < 1381487612 654553 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this algebra as in abstract or algebra as in boring < 1381487626 44510 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former < 1381487748 328800 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going over stuff we've already done, but /practical/ < 1381487768 167981 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, boring < 1381487776 639209 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1381487782 400464 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not abstract < 1381487795 574504 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is abstract too < 1381487809 177074 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set theory and what have you < 1381487836 809873 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just basic abstract, done boringly < 1381487897 126785 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :groups? < 1381487909 640390 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet < 1381487916 421990 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sets < 1381487928 695989 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endless bloody sets < 1381488010 367869 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd thing to call algebra < 1381488032 523376 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next week we move to functions < 1381488074 515523 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is an introductory course? nobody's supposed to know math < 1381488094 418197 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look he's proving intersection is associative using a venn diagram < 1381488107 623866 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, nobody's supposed to know maths past a-level < 1381488127 941319 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a-level is pointlessly modular, too, so they can't even assume you learnt a given thing at a-level < 1381488143 562627 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great < 1381488207 697877 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know this PH you are practically foreign < 1381488260 38417 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm sitting around with people who all did different things at a-level and have had to re-learn them for the benefit of those who didn't < 1381488511 297811 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381490857 261676 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381490880 507110 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: :/ < 1381491205 550308 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381492258 723307 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1381492378 363840 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1381494773 915706 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381495755 956058 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381495763 725404 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381495956 785064 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1381495969 741969 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381497951 79186 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.247.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381498648 399976 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.247.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381498936 510509 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381498950 343847 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I prove that in radians sin x ~= x when x =~= 0? < 1381499075 673594 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when x → 0, d(sin(x))/dx ~= 1. < 1381499091 406750 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, no < 1381499098 213180 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like that < 1381499125 438455 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't? < 1381499153 712948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan but it's expensive! and I don't think there are that many phở joints in hexham. < 1381499153 858604 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1381499178 190828 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that glyph after the ph < 1381499209 549915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a moment... ♪ < 1381499295 270197 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1EDF LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN AND HOOK ABOVE < 1381499308 56132 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1381499315 533462 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ở < 1381499331 706732 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can't remember any phở joints in Hexham < 1381499334 964693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still missing the reverse of `unicode, I see. < 1381499337 540003 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one's opened, though < 1381499445 404799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more diacritics stacked on vowels, the tastier the szoup. < 1381499607 749405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode phở < 1381499609 307359 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[LATIN SMALL LETTER P] [LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN AND HOOK ABOVE] < 1381499614 310748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we: go. < 1381499640 671699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With any luck, someone had already added that in. Oh well, it's good to be redundant.) < 1381499685 735304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode SNOWMAN | xargs unidecode < 1381499688 206354 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[SNOWMAN] < 1381499723 892271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A snowman went through a pipe there, but no-one saw it. < 1381499754 154286 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood what xargs is for. < 1381499765 948223 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⎀⇱⇞⌦⇲⇟ < 1381499767 540335 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[INSERTION SYMBOL] [NORTH WEST ARROW TO CORNER] [UPWARDS ARROW WITH DOUBLE STROKE] [ERASE TO THE RIGHT] [SOUTH EAST ARROW TO CORNER] [DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH DOUBLE STROKE] < 1381499773 917578 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381499781 155551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for piping snowmans. < 1381499794 530335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn xargs is for piping snowmen. < 1381499799 705963 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1381499804 81169 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom < 1381499805 761951 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ < 1381499842 172634 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: xargs is awesome in combination with find or ls < 1381499856 400647 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ah? care to explain why? < 1381499882 999874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give an example < 1381499888 5864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode ☯ # now with code points < 1381499890 351068 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+262F YIN YANG] < 1381499905 84430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people somewhere else really needed to know which paths are longer than 255 chars, because windows is stupid < 1381499911 540446 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do that? < 1381500023 976681 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find -type d | grep -E '.{256,}' < 1381500046 914137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think "paths" involves only directories. < 1381500063 764289 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381500095 648719 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky :D okay, a bit modified: you want to know how long each path is < 1381500120 881056 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, you don't need it for that, either < 1381500169 406040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: find -type b -o -type c -o -type d -o -type p -o -type f -o -type l -o -type s -o -type D, then :p < 1381500190 729409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably many uses of "find | xargs" should be "find -exec" instead, it's just that the -exec syntax is kinda crummy. < 1381500204 52264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten to the habit of "find -print0 | xargs -0" instead. < 1381500271 187878 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Client Quit < 1381500290 566124 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381500296 533338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what is a door? < 1381500309 644485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Solaris IPC thing. < 1381500424 561957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a server behind a door, and then have clients call it and pass things through it; and the door can be visible in the file system. Kind of something between (non-abstract-namespace) Unix domain sockets and a RPC mechanism. < 1381500466 117546 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty useful. there must be some reason it hasn't gained more visibility. < 1381500503 398312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's also a swinging or sliding barrier that will close the entrance to a room or building or vehicle? < 1381500548 798450 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of door is there for physics teachers to try to quantum tunnel through. < 1381500582 970420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just didn't have enough benefits over "traditional" mechanisms to accomplish the same thing to quantum tunnel outside Solaris. < 1381500610 362332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, we're stuck with horrendous abominations like d-bus and suchlike. < 1381500629 136733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pass file descriptors through a door, but you can do that over Unix domain sockets too. And there's a library written around it, but you can write libraries around anything. < 1381500687 332637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☺ < 1381500689 26427 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE] < 1381500704 191863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look very white in this terminal. < 1381500735 600965 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :them pixels drawing the face are somewhat white in this terminal, I guess... (what colourscheme do I use again?) < 1381500743 383620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh would you look at that, I need to catch a < 1381500745 849877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode BUS < 1381500747 669979 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unicode", line 5, in \ print u"".join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode("utf-8") \ KeyError: "undefined character name 'BUS'" < 1381500761 877675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That thing is so useless. That's U+1F68C.) < 1381500837 741716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :🚌 < 1381500853 392966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... urxvt/weechat seem to have some trouble with chars outside the BMP... < 1381501027 840718 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1381501459 847882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My urxvt/irssi setup, too. < 1381501478 674504 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1381501496 967112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I got some surrogates out when I tried to paste one to Unidecode, which is the silliest. < 1381501553 536883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did Java's Modified-UTF-8 use UTF-8-encoded surrogates? < 1381501795 149979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Guess it did.) < 1381501921 895423 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381503222 130960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1381504221 704080 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1381504303 136715 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1381504336 227910 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1381504336 373612 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381504355 139722 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381504376 848760 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381504453 814332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode POULET < 1381504456 71207 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unicode", line 5, in \ print u"".join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode("utf-8") \ KeyError: "undefined character name 'POULET'" < 1381504524 677697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I prove that in radians sin x ~= x when x =~= 0? <-- i recall from some discussion that it's quite tricky to do from the intuitive geometric definitions without being circular. < 1381504551 693801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1381504551 839266 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 29m 57s ago: but it's expensive! and I don't think there are that many phở joints in hexham. < 1381504622 713778 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381504670 556959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: of course from the power series definition of sin x it's "trivial". < 1381504866 314720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did this get a commit http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/7003033326b8 < 1381504922 333008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i see, it was with `run probably, so some of the >'s got shell interpreted < 1381504936 551241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1381504938 510111 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+ \ +[+ \ bdsmreclist \ bi \ bin \ bin` \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ dog \ etc \ factor \ file \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ mind \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1381504951 256459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm + +[+ < 1381504954 778466 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf +[+ < 1381504955 462785 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1381504969 80798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: see my previous link < 1381504999 696275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1381505001 278378 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdsmreclist \ bi \ bin \ bin` \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ dog \ etc \ factor \ file \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ mind \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1381505072 329281 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e "#!/usr/bin/env python\n# -*- encoding: utf-8 -*-\nimport sys\nimport unicodedata\ntry:\n print u''.join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8')\nexcept KeyError:\n print u'Úńḱńóẃń ćh́áŕáćt́éŕ.'" >bin/unicode < 1381505075 921169 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1381505082 188285 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER A < 1381505084 62685 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1381505084 710852 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :( < 1381505090 199458 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ZZZZZZZZ < 1381505091 933498 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unicode", line 8, in \ print u'Úńḱńóẃń ćh́áŕáćt́éŕ.' \ UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-6: ordinal not in range(128) < 1381505095 287755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um what did you change < 1381505101 13928 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaurgh! < 1381505121 634485 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tried to add a try/except for `unicode not to choke on a KeyError. < 1381505122 116856 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1381505130 559304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1381505136 503442 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e "#!/usr/bin/env python\n# -*- encoding: utf-8 -*-\nimport sys\nimport unicodedata\ntry:\n print u''.join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8')\nexcept KeyError:\n print u'Unknown character.'" >bin/unicode < 1381505139 777765 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1381505190 588998 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MAKE MY DAY, PUNK. < 1381505192 455666 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1381505203 509808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: iirc you essentially have to go through a proof that the circumference of a circle is 2pi*r < 1381505280 663610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that. different ways of saying essentially the same limit thing. < 1381505305 541675 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1381505448 860370 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381505478 84346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin'(x) = cos(x) is of course one of those. < 1381505484 401236 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1381505514 120749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which allows you to get yours with l'hôpital's rule.) < 1381505520 86264 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which was the proof I was trying to understand < 1381505533 562545 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, that sin'(x)=cos(x)) < 1381505540 611197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1381505594 812949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be precise, you need to carefully define the length of a circle arc somehow. < 1381505632 77226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how archimedes did it, when he proved c = 2pi*r. < 1381505668 605365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in modern treatments, the length of a smooth curve is defined using derivatives. < 1381505679 841396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you do that, you get a non-circular proof. < 1381505703 69059 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I prove that in radians sin x ~= x when x =~= 0? < 1381505724 391603 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has presumably told you this already but the maclaurin series is the quickest way < 1381505750 483650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: i did, but i also guessed he's asking for a deeper issue. < 1381505766 257286 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: well, that's circular for Taneb's question unless you say that sin is defined to be the limit of this power series < 1381505800 673139 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to being defined to be some nonsense with circles) < 1381505844 606931 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all true, but actually proving that d/dx(sin x) = cos x is not something i've ever seen, at least < 1381505852 828642 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mostly I'm falling asleep < 1381505880 744463 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, it's pretty easy using that lim_(x->0) (sin x) = x < 1381505895 261479 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the limits definition of differentials < 1381505901 884555 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that exactly the thing you were meant to prove < 1381505926 37860 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was the thing I asked about < 1381505927 675399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: this is the x and y of the xy problem in question. < 1381505943 819137 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern trigonometry avoids circular reasoning. < 1381505951 223077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are equivalent to each other. < 1381505956 875678 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't actually meant to do anything < 1381505964 267131 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put the milk in the fridge maybe < 1381505967 802700 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I failed at that < 1381506039 480789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks he didn't forget to unpack his own groceries < 1381506077 444013 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that now < 1381506078 694392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyway it's good to ask such questions, it's what i vaguely recall doing when i started univ. < 1381506085 393967 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381506092 871587 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok which one of you assholes posted this http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1o7ktk/what_happened_to_real_redstone/ < 1381506160 490466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: i don't recall that nick here. < 1381506184 780972 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it mean I can spam^H^H^H^Hkindly welcome lmt? < 1381506193 972569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog which is a hallmark of a good esolang < 1381506253 379895 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, the comments on this thread are physically hurting me < 1381506253 525392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never trust HackEgo's No outputs on first - right. < 1381506257 944299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nope, not new. < 1381506261 551783 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: good < 1381506266 377899 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel the pain < 1381506287 465717 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's just saying that near the x axis, the circle is practically vertical < 1381506310 100100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost forgot to swat Jafet -----### < 1381506348 289070 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't appreciate the kind of vast, redstone-powered computers that folks build in Minecraft. While it clearly takes dedication and talent to design them, it's kind of like looking at someone's model railroad or stamp collection. It's impressive, but not something that really 'impacts' you beyond saying, "Wow, this guy has a ton of time on his hands". < 1381506349 221690 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well. maybe next time! (and hopefully it won't be an overly attached misguided young teenaged colombian girl...) < 1381506377 468723 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1381506385 338691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what we need to ask, are those spanish people all the same girl < 1381506431 655026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: what is the point of minecraft _other_ than doing such things. < 1381506459 960483 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :building stuff < 1381506468 986557 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks good on renders < 1381506530 829552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn lmt is insufficiently mad for this channel. < 1381506535 518745 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1381506589 160111 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can kind of sympathise to an extent though, MC circuitry was far more interesting when it was all about crazy physics exploits < 1381506605 866191 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the only one mad enough for this channel, actually < 1381506616 745416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... the good old times where I exploited grass growth for my mad contraptions... < 1381506620 517395 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: yeah, redstone isn't really a particularly good esolang < 1381506652 99555 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most esoteric part of minecraft is getting upside-down stairs to align with each other < 1381506699 957310 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the block update detector becoming an actual block was the dumbest thing ever < 1381506767 117051 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? it did? < 1381506818 835544 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was tentatively announced but not actually released < 1381506865 876734 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss boatvators though < 1381506867 562262 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boosters < 1381506915 212202 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand have you seen the guy creating spawners in vanilla survival < 1381506946 455429 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft is not quite dead yet < 1381507008 729689 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress is where it's at < 1381507028 749748 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was under the impression that minecraft has been completely usurped by its own modding community < 1381507032 687213 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ON THAT TOPIC < 1381507036 893360 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iaU1TvIQqM < 1381507041 956327 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, GO ON < 1381507048 286422 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: the most insane thing i've ever seen < 1381507050 62734 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, MAKE FORT < 1381507058 792295 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VANILLA OR ANTHRACITE < 1381507061 455154 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure vanilla survival < 1381507143 730876 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have anthracite, use that < 1381507162 125039 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have gone back to my opinion that mineral distribution is still complete shit < 1381507173 205546 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1381507191 812031 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand if you make it more realistic it will just be boring as hell < 1381507207 149582 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anthracite it is < 1381507207 375855 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boatvators are dead??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! < 1381507249 348819 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every embark would just have at most one mineral < 1381507275 6534 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, anthracite is my mod, it adds high-yield coal ore to some stone layers and adds iron ore to others < 1381507283 290308 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1381507293 157917 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it actually possible to start a steel industry on most sites < 1381507298 338517 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1381507313 397274 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1381507313 736455 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to start a steel industry pick a proper embark < 1381507326 62493 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1381507350 868727 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with dfhack's prospect-on-embark-screen thing i wasn't able to find a site with coal, flux and ore < 1381507383 372066 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well keep looking! < 1381507390 572083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🚌 < 1381507390 950264 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prospect-on-embark underreports flux < 1381507393 333853 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+D83D DUNNO] [U+DE8C DUNNO] < 1381507400 246339 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :flux was not the issue < 1381507402 442563 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who needs coal < 1381507409 126537 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the embark screen says flux i believe it < 1381507441 96276 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never used coal ever < 1381507448 624765 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this argument is not going to be anything but worthless and acrimonious, let's stop < 1381507450 305039 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need coal or charcoal to make steel < 1381507451 232395 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lava on every map < 1381507454 779317 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trees < 1381507457 40110 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on every map < 1381507460 621592 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll play how i want to, you play how you want to < 1381507473 497771 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choosing a site now < 1381507562 424482 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, btw dfhack is now essentially "the dwarf fortress unofficial patch project"; i highly recommend it even if you never actually use any of its tools < 1381507577 280850 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even fixes the temperature system! < 1381507604 344880 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even fixes the cursor jumping to the middle of the screen when you switch modes! < 1381507634 180157 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it doesn't fix the need to have four different cursor modes < 1381507689 202994 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i'm serious about never using coal - i dont' think i've ever even seen any < 1381507695 856044 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381507703 825053 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why mineral distribution is shit < 1381507724 23235 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that doesn't actually prevent you from having steel < 1381507750 1531 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten layers of sedimentary stone which may contain useful ores, then a hundred layers of worthless metamorphic and igneous intrusive < 1381507795 368979 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, i do know this, my perspective is just slightly skewed on account of just having spent a while playing on a glacier < 1381507830 10401 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how geology works, yes < 1381507843 484305 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1381507852 781533 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :df is not, and has never been, about realism < 1381507859 700100 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ways real life does not work: < 1381507893 263392 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fit an unlimited number of people into a given space because they're lying down < 1381507919 684839 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't feed a couple hundred people off two underground farm plots < 1381507955 36965 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't eat, sleep and drink once every month or two < 1381507983 940944 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't attach an archimedan screw to a watermill and make a perpetual motion machine < 1381507996 574704 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fit a few hundred boulders into the same space taken up by a chair < 1381508017 364370 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressure sometimes causes liquids to end up higher than when they started in real life < 1381508112 141247 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1381508127 224402 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, embark on a small island y/n < 1381508146 360105 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :n, you'll get no contact from non-dwarven civs < 1381508157 149668 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the same problem on the glacier, it's just boring in the long run < 1381508197 358596 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you might not even encounter megabeasts < 1381508204 647960 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you encounter megabeasts < 1381508219 802884 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my previous fortresses got wiped by a fire demon on a small island < 1381508268 416140 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embark with no reported flux y/n < 1381508282 991723 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1381508361 610228 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :n, getting flux is really hard < 1381508553 901810 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to make a new world, then < 1381508812 707606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+D83D and U+DE8C are surrogates. Dunno where they come from. < 1381508844 217955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Python language environment officially only uses UCS-2 internally since version 2.0, but the UTF-8 decoder to "Unicode" produces correct UTF-16." < 1381508847 478280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess from there. < 1381508889 341957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since Python 2.2, "wide" builds of Unicode are supported which use UTF-32 instead;[12] these are primarily used on Linux." < 1381508912 73133 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1381509051 338161 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1381509051 483780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'unichr(65536)' < 1381509053 483963 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ ValueError: unichr() arg not in range(0x10000) (narrow Python build) < 1381509061 452954 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, this worldgen is up to the Age of Heroes < 1381509065 145626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"narrow Python build" I guess that's why it doesn't do non-BMP. < 1381509081 742597 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, good age that < 1381509289 706901 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worldgen 2 complete < 1381509965 612673 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1381510353 421354 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1381510366 86849 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worldgen 3 < 1381510398 710766 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I'm leaving at 7 < 1381510530 811902 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, it's less than two weeks until I attend a relatively Haskell-themed event < 1381510666 745958 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381510745 240672 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively haskell-themed, eh? < 1381510760 735915 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1381510782 914990 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got people like Phil Wadler and Neil Mitchell < 1381510869 998267 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure how to make the Rust 0.8 REPL evaluate anything without segfaulting < 1381510959 980328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I write code with an error, it displays the error, but if I write valid code it segfaults < 1381510973 664855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A segfault is how you know it's working. < 1381510996 253475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the interpreter in the HEAD is better < 1381511026 921545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the limitless power of your imagination? < 1381511093 179577 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381511104 767945 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh what < 1381511118 317545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1381511159 99705 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1381511213 884619 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, this world looks more promising < 1381511263 631463 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in it actually has flux < 1381511363 908151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you make capacitors out of it < 1381511367 12494 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, embark next to a human town y/n < 1381511371 570346 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who knows < 1381511389 883135 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas Doc Brown was not a dwarf < 1381511399 430897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like capacitors that go *BOOM*. < 1381511431 37088 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, warm, woodland, stream, moderate vegetation, calm, clay, deep soil, multiple shallow and deep metals, flux < 1381511451 917772 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1381511464 271685 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, this is elliott, Phantom___Hoover, and I playing < 1381511464 568065 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress is too boring :( < 1381511471 218173 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring is impossible < 1381511501 505707 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the only way to make it non-boring is by griefing your own game < 1381511540 14349 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by having three clashing playstyles interacting < 1381511547 405449 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing < 1381511555 626242 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course DF is boring. how would you get your minerals otherwise? < 1381511569 507778 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, yeah, but it feels less self-harm-y < 1381511574 664816 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no drills in DF if that's what you mean < 1381511615 813700 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unfortunate, would be cool if you could strap a giant corkscrew onto a pole and bore all the way down to lava < 1381511634 195273 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need a p. long pole < 1381511650 382715 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embark with: one adamantium corkscrew < 1381511674 223580 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you just keep adding sections to it < 1381511783 482165 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, I'm gonna embark here now < 1381511825 667863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mccaine.org/2013/10/09/dwarf-fortress-a-marxist-analysis/ < 1381511946 472410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: talk to me < 1381511946 669644 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so i just filter it out my end < 1381511976 540752 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is not in a mood for talking. < 1381511977 7940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it just might not be so useful if one cannot interleave conditionals as well the quick-sort code is unusual, so " hello, world always nops in those situations) < 1381511987 553799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how are you today? < 1381511987 699661 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: by no means < 1381511990 376073 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress would be nicer with progressively harder sieges and building destroyers that destroy constructed walls and traps < 1381512012 117647 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dig < 1381512024 409747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress needs endermen. < 1381512035 128500 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: endermen were nerfed < 1381512047 720318 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't pick up things like cobble anymore :( < 1381512058 791976 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... but... whyyyyy... < 1381512106 949471 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress will be nicer once toady writes the actual game on it < 1381512176 634542 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, good news < 1381512178 493799 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have flux < 1381512185 151601 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't know.. i'm sorry :( < 1381512269 498698 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, and limonite < 1381512275 150737 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doin' p. good so far < 1381512440 939618 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, and we've struck galena! < 1381512452 658983 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can make silver for hammers and lead goblets for elves < 1381512542 712588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the races of DF: dwarves, humans, elves, goblins, and hammers. < 1381512603 542551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd sort of think goblets were for goblins < 1381512626 488759 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the hammers are for the goblins < 1381512643 571060 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for elves i recommend making a giant death trap < 1381512652 182032 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, technically kobolds are a race too < 1381512653 37021 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly involving lead goblets somehow < 1381512682 423107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I deny kobolds. I refuse to admit their existence. < 1381512696 606807 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could serve them deadly poison in lead goblets. Wait, I guess that's not implemented. < 1381512775 341483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: gobble gobble < 1381512825 6862 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan left! let's party!! < 1381512844 856445 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm blue, dabadee dabada, dabadee dabada, dabadee dabada < 1381512890 498859 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: if you want to party hard, try ~duck. < 1381512946 161500 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck < 1381512946 776017 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~duck query < 1381512947 103923 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Query information from Duck Duck Go < 1381512962 255579 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck how to party hard < 1381512962 746607 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Party Hard" is a song by Andrew W.K., first released as a single in 2001 and included on his first album I Get Wet. < 1381512981 927753 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't someone in this channel trying to apply graph theory to Dwarf Fortress to find the optimum workshop/stockpile layout < 1381512998 368802 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds plausible < 1381513002 969628 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1381513005 728735 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else would they be? < 1381513021 9532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#df or something? < 1381513076 722881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#df doesn't seem to be very dwarfortressian... < 1381513094 384199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever dwarf fortress calls its IRC channel then < 1381513112 28952 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#dwarffortress is incredibly bad < 1381513115 968294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar dwarf fortress < 1381513116 473274 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1381513137 68043 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't recommend that channel for any purpose < 1381513324 195906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KPWT < 1381513324 784691 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KPWT 111735Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM BKN023 OVC032 10/06 A3018 RMK AO1 < 1381513765 917330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IATA codes in yet? < 1381513821 363552 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nah. going to open an issue for that. < 1381513852 567928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "open an issue" some kind of an euphemism? < 1381513880 619805 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you have wet github dreams. < 1381513957 613916 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't? < 1381513965 911078 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381513974 578872 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, octopussies? < 1381514094 949245 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1381514121 121091 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381514203 808764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make that channel stats page update somehow semiautomatic, it had been a month since I last refreshed it. < 1381514425 384866 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381514608 467717 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KNYC < 1381514609 19836 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNYC 111751Z AUTO 08011G16KT 030V110 10SM BKN019 OVC046 18/14 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP170 60002 T01780139 10183 20167 58008 $ < 1381514746 60240 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1381514746 583911 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 111700Z 01005KT 15SM BKN240 18/08 A3017 RMK CI7 SLP218 DENSITY ALT 200FT < 1381514768 469563 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. kinda the same weather down there. < 1381514772 752087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are IATA codes those normal airport codes you see on boarding passes etc? < 1381514807 588044 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381514811 106354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes. IATA codes are 3 letters long, ICAO 4 letters (sometimes 3 alpha + 1 num). < 1381514854 770787 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some namespace issues because the FAA assigns three letter codes to every US airport < 1381514858 459442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1381514859 606 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 111750Z 30008KT CAVOK 06/03 Q1026 NOSIG < 1381514869 979900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so short compared to all you guys. < 1381514884 160272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is three letters even enough for the world's airports? seems like such a small namespace < 1381514894 881916 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381514914 735239 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the IATA assigns three letter codes to every airport with commercial international flights and many but by no means all others < 1381514915 346253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, therefore ICAO. as lexande said, there are clashes between IATA codes. < 1381514946 58462 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if a US airport has an IATA code then the FAA code matches it < 1381514947 843808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :43762 lines in the master-location-identifier-database-20130801.csv mentioned before. < 1381514989 528865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should switch to unicode so they get more letters < 1381515008 230671 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are US airports with no IATA codes (and no commercial flights) with FAA codes that the IATA uses elsewhere < 1381515014 209965 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBG is perhabs the most notable examble < 1381515017 467448 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :example < 1381515034 411225 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yup :D < 1381515079 392192 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KCBG, Cambridge Minnesota Municipal Airport, is known to the FAA as CBG and not known to the IATA < 1381515111 210769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cambridge, england is iata's cbg? < 1381515114 803284 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :while EGSC, Cambridge UK Airport, is known to the IATA as CBG (and not known to the FAA since it's not in the US) < 1381515145 937458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the FAA *know* about it < 1381515163 650589 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381515166 965655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xkcd "geohash" in this graticule few days ago was right on one of the runways of the Helsinki-Vantaa airport. < 1381515168 17469 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the IATA also *know* about KCBG < 1381515190 354086 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've flown to an airport with no ICAO code < 1381515194 383769 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a hassle for my openflights < 1381515274 277378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://carabiner.peeron.com/xkcd/map/map.html?date=2013-10-08&lat=60&long=24&zoom=9 -- there < 1381515300 247557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, I think they renamed to "Helsinki Airport" recently.) < 1381515467 545403 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just (-2.1575, 34.2212) < 1381515504 12667 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i found some website pretending it's called GTZ but that seems to be made up < 1381515576 171178 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i guess it's not true that FAA codes always match IATA codes when both exist < 1381516089 198257 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:2d69:e8db:55b3:aa30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381516235 276182 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381516253 72398 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, i missed taneb's progress < 1381516279 259419 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : whatever dwarf fortress calls its IRC channel then < 1381516289 719083 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's #bay12games on newnet, for posterity) < 1381516425 421785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bay12games? that's ... obvious < 1381516561 153427 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381516598 801424 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1381516685 797273 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381517664 59758 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381517868 104762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381517883 880601 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1381517900 374869 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381517961 832085 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381518149 140562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381518611 144891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381518778 344953 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:2d69:e8db:55b3:aa30 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381519148 454692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored. anybody knows of an exotic OS I could boot in virtualbox? < 1381519184 293571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows < 1381519235 244870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks ion with an old MS-DOS manual < 1381519326 672658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :KA9Q NOS. < 1381519355 728431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's just a DOS program; but it's got an "OS" in the name.) < 1381519474 263105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the strangest urge to boot something non-Linux on the (PV-only) Xen system fungot runs on, which is the silly. I don't think there's anything very exotic that runs paravirtualized under Xen anyway; just Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris < 1381519474 547493 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes...? :) i don't really understand why those people keep misreading. fnord luin fnord " fnord" < 1381519517 881564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You wouldn't mind, would you? It wouldn't be that many megabytes off your nose. < 1381519518 460275 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have *never* seen a certificate on his wall. a couple of threads, although there are seven mandatory and n optional levels in the taxonomy, species are fnord ( well, at least so did a bit more < 1381519530 130491 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certify a wall? < 1381519544 425020 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: althought not an OS, that is quite exotic. < 1381519553 459881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord luin fnord fnord. < 1381519553 708508 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but i don't know if it's just a photo of the fnord < 1381519556 632893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I used to use it for TCP/IPing from DOS. < 1381519578 153381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"luin" is the first-person past-tense word for "read" in Finnish. < 1381519659 302387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381519666 690517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I've pasted twenty or so Finnish misreadings on one of the channels the 'irc' style is trained on; those tend to be of the form "luin 'X'". < 1381519716 821669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I found even the actual quote. < 1381519723 220562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Shame on you for borrowing so literally. < 1381519723 440868 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just found a flaw in what i've done at http://www.cs.indiana.edu/bmastenb/")? < 1381519764 826284 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 9front < 1381519784 216966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the matter with you!! < 1381519784 427468 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is sicp? :) " migrate my process thence!" < 1381519794 808912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Is that the Plan 9 Xen thing? < 1381519795 709609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HaLVM < 1381519806 186659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do it! < 1381519807 228947 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, that is a fork of plan 9 < 1381519830 694005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but one that has some Xen PV support. I saw a reference to something like that somewhere. < 1381519854 108954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaLVM sounds like Xen Mirage except Haskell instead of Ocaml. < 1381519876 586059 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it me, or tolkien's languages borrowed a lot from finnish? < 1381519889 9757 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quenya did < 1381519896 625664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That's an officially acknowledged fact. < 1381519912 859484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you always wanted to run on a Haskell Funge-98 interpreter on HaLVM? < 1381519913 124755 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: name is not a reader abbreviation? < 1381519923 676654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a yes. < 1381519936 128140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381519999 128495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381519999 823846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what the good Haskell Funge-98 interpreters are, though.) < 1381520043 609443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/sXa7yv4.png well um this is about the worst security I've ever seen in a game < 1381520062 525748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FF14 apparently lets you... post arbitrary JSON to modify your own character's data... without verification...) < 1381520140 135770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, indeed. < 1381520150 206564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, installing plan 9) < 1381520270 117197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1381520290 126905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are there any? < 1381520341 556058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1381520371 461158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly there are not. I know Fungi doesn't include SOCK. < 1381520449 709151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does xen require a paravirtualized os? < 1381520476 389455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, if you have hardware virtualization extensions in your processor. < 1381520484 165373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the box in question doesn't. < 1381520498 75523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1381520521 753373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can kvm run xen-paravirtualized stuff? < 1381520568 350908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's built on the same paravirt_ops infrastructure, at least. < 1381520661 367680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HVM Xen guests can do paravirt_ops drivers for efficiency (calld PV-on-HVM, I think) instead of having emulated hardware devices (provided by qemu). < 1381520696 701117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the same as virtio or something different? < 1381520795 690441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically they might be different, but I was referring to both with paravirt_ops. < 1381520802 259350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the codistical details. < 1381520875 383781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It vaguely seems that the virtio drivers might be different from the Xen PV drivers. < 1381520875 801089 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381521032 599073 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1381521183 948912 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381521297 828878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can figure out, the paravirt_ops general paravirtualization blobs are common to both Xen and KVM, but there might be some duplication with virtio drivers specific to KVM, and different ones for Xen. < 1381521336 738689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381521355 546748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's network interface and block device are from xen_netfront and xen_blkfront, respectively, so that's that. < 1381521355 783203 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: from two different employers had an affectionate way to refer to < 1381521614 758140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381521705 922172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's isn't a Mirage/HaLVM kind of thing already for Rust, it sounds like the kind of thing someone'd do. < 1381521835 7328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other Xen news: Xen 4.3 removed support for the 32-bit x86 hypervisor. It's almost like "last time" (I started the late server-laptop using Xen but then they dropped 32-bit non-PAE support), except I had a borderline 64-bit (Atom 230) system this time. < 1381521857 914017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they're going to drop support for processors with no hardware virtualization sooner or later, though. < 1381521874 28859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, the "old-fashioned" PV side.) < 1381521914 260515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed that vmware had already dropped their PV interface, because cpus are good enough at virtualization themselves now < 1381521950 108640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "VMI" thing? < 1381521959 17346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wikipedia said that VMI support will be dropped around 2010-2011 < 1381522038 508839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no hardware virtualization on the Atom. (Except a couple exceptions.) < 1381522050 732238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few of them didn't even support Intel 64. < 1381522067 876955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not "quite a few", but the old N270 ones and such. < 1381522112 600169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the 2013 high-ender Atoms do VT-x and all that. < 1381522178 402029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no hardware virtualization on the Atom <--- Virtual 8086 mode!~!!!!! < 1381522193 232500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earliest x86 hardware virtualization < 1381522196 142557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also best ofc < 1381522216 492462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of paravirtualized-Xen-on-ARM project that I think also sort of died, now that ARM's introduced virtualization extensions in ARMv7 and (I guess?) made it standard in ARMv8; Xen 4.3 has a "tech preview" supporting those. < 1381522231 743739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vmware did paravirt? < 1381522241 600611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they only did hardware virt or dynamic translation < 1381522273 457397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dynamic translation can perform better than bare metal thanks to JIT optimizations < 1381522286 761679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did paravirt: http://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-4-esx-vcenter/index.jsp?topic=/com.vmware.vsphere.vmadmin.doc_41/vsp_vm_guide/configuring_virtual_machines/t_enable_and_disable_vmi_paravirtualization.html < 1381522320 706327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So how about that Rust-on-Xen, then? < 1381522321 163045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oh, we recorded a JIT trace from your program through the kernel syscall path, now we don't actually need to switch CPU modes or perform privilege checks on that hot path < 1381522324 183295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah < 1381522328 156224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that'd be cool < 1381522331 252901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like HalVM you mean? < 1381522343 829657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, and like the Ocaml-based Xen Mirage. < 1381522363 630508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like people have been talking about it: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2013-March/003335.html < 1381522527 176635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like Xen hypervisor is the OS, and all these things are the applications. Soon they'll start talking about sharing common code between the "guests" and then it turns into some regular microkernel OS instead of a virtualization system. < 1381522558 767799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1381522577 359062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's already precedent for running a traditional kernel on top of a microkernel < 1381522610 333941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually ran MkLinux back in the day. < 1381522636 143473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran MkLinux too, and it wasn't even too "back in the day", it was like 2003-ish. < 1381522639 219426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1381522642 412680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, same here < 1381522651 426002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a decade ago! < 1381522678 351501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody pointed out to me the other day that I was in the first 0.1% of Facebook users and now I feel bad about helping inflict Facebook on the world < 1381522706 280407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a... what was it, Performa 5260. < 1381522742 87418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: went to http://www.lowendmac.com/roadapples/x200.shtml to verify the model number, because all I remembered was "it was mentioned on that list of worst Mac design choices".) < 1381522749 280355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1381523183 250770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been an early adopter of anything else except "IRC-Galleria", a Finnish iamge gallery that started as a collection of photos of IRC users (in 2001-2002) but then morphed into a generic (if image-gallery-oriented) social network with its own groups and users, so that people these days talk about "IRC" when they mean that site. (Annoying "real" IRC users to no end.) < 1381523199 745512 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1381523272 111099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They claim to have 50% of all Finnish 15-24-year-olds visiting per month. < 1381523324 357479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps forgetting not to pronounce fizzie's nick as if it was English. < 1381523373 803897 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IS the correct pronunciation < 1381523399 250862 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it /fizzie/ (finnish joke) < 1381523469 332303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/fitsie/ (not really). < 1381523479 130962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that might be pretty close to how a Finn would do it. < 1381523498 513006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We don't have a native 'z'.) < 1381523637 700301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: is "nooodl" pronounced as if dutch < 1381523677 776487 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no < 1381523770 101825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be "the good pronunciation" < 1381523815 841393 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's any consolation i mentally pronounce "shachaf" with that thick "chhh" sound < 1381523832 848245 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it pronounced n'dl with a glottal stop? < 1381523873 354348 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it כ in hebrew) < 1381523919 722823 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ח?? help wikipedia is confusing me) < 1381523971 850587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's ח hth < 1381523983 668081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which thick chhh sound do you want < 1381523987 763916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/want/use/ < 1381524050 774542 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :/χ/ < 1381524056 112175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1381524062 169659 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_uvular_fricative < 1381524062 598362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that even < 1381524065 373988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1381524085 475545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative ............... < 1381524100 192911 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/fɪzi/, /ʃähäf/, /nuːdl̩/, /ɔlsnœʀ/ < 1381524102 872797 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people use lots of things < 1381524152 817711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-fizzie.wav <- from the rather crummy diphone synthesis Finnish voice for Festival, but the main gist of it is correct. < 1381524184 435068 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɔlsnœʀ/ is cute < 1381524237 454024 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :expected boily to say /fizi/. is /ɪ/ even in french < 1381524260 558304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-fizzie2.wav <- the other Finnish Festival voice, you can take an average of these two. < 1381524268 5506 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: only as a lax allophone of [i]. < 1381524348 626190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a Finnish person says "shachaf" like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-shachaf.wav < 1381524413 770188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And these are the two ways a Finnish person might refer to kmc: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-kmc.wav < 1381524475 959863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The prosody is a bit hit-and-miss.) < 1381524483 199562 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish way to spell the alphabet sounds pretty cute too < 1381524516 422615 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bwali/, /kaɛmse/, /vɔʀpal/, /ɛljɔt/, /fʌngɔt/, /lɛksãd/, /metasepja/, /ɛlɛmte/, /mnɔki/, /dʒafɛt/, /tanɛb/ < 1381524631 557926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: now do `^_^v < 1381524698 410415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: The whole alphabet: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-alphabet.wav < 1381524708 923599 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: /aksãgravsiʀkɔ̃flɛkssuliɲesiʀkɔ̃flɛksve/ < 1381524766 737880 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well < 1381524853 854595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "kaksoisvee" for 'w' is sort of formal, more commonly it's just "tuplavee".) < 1381524914 722299 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“more commonly” probably depends on your location. < 1381524923 19447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps. < 1381524924 174403 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381524931 343052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if only i had headphones :'( < 1381524934 832990 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: also, /fajɚflaj/. < 1381525113 652827 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wtfviz.net/image/63750418075 < 1381525164 943832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3dgzx4zSbjM/UUAb4KDOmpI/AAAAAAAAAJM/dn0hWHqIc0Y/s320/Kauko+Nieminen+2003.JPG < 1381525178 995492 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the wtf is very wtfing. < 1381525418 967872 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish alphabet. http://heh.fi/tmp/alphabet.ogg < 1381525463 636929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, there is a reason I added some periods and spaces before generating alphabet.wav. < 1381525550 325961 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i'm dead < 1381525554 828127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the same Suopuhe voice. < 1381525599 348408 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how it's looped four times < 1381525622 965399 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“soi soi soi soi soi soi soi soi” < 1381525728 928176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitlips, one of the Finnish commercial players in the field, has a web demo of their thing at http://www.bitlips.fi/tts/demo.cgi < 1381525814 63857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For non-Finnish people: first row of radio buttons selects the voice (last one does unit selection and is therefore most natural), second row the special sound effect, and third row the speed, left to right from slow to fast. < 1381525861 638656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The effects don't work for the last voice, it seems.) < 1381526019 488033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: hungry. but not for chicken. < 1381526029 891282 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381526050 222702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google Translate's Finnish voice might be the best easily-accessible Finnish synthesis voice.) < 1381526168 35779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even makes a difference between "fizzie" and "fitsie", and pronounces the former like my nick "should" go, and the latter more like "fit-sie", as far as timing and stress go. < 1381526247 928861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes a pretty impressive "Finglish" if you set the input language to Finnish and paste in some English text. I laughed. < 1381526383 353004 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear finland: what is torilla tavataan < 1381526420 679058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated. It now contains a comparison between synthesized and spoken versions of the Finnish alphabet. http://heh.fi/tmp/alphabet.ogg < 1381526422 217118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(let's) meet at the (market) square". < 1381526453 114449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it could be something to say as a... what's the opposite of a greeting? < 1381526501 931528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of like "be seeing you". < 1381526550 765761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also has a sarcastic sense.) < 1381526559 178459 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1381526598 115805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did you spell the alphabet like that in primary school? < 1381526688 376978 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not before getting an Amiga with “Say”. < 1381526745 35816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the aforementioned Performa 5260 reading #esoteric out loud (Ircle + OS 7.5.3 builtin speech synthesis) a couple of times. < 1381526768 386296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It wasn't a terribly good idea.) < 1381526941 389227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1381527001 316765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my house in college had an old Mac (one of the first ever models) in the lounge running a text editor, into which people would type poetry / obscenity / ramblings < 1381527018 738864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally we would transfer the floppy disk to a slightly less old Mac and make a text to speech recording and play it at events < 1381527078 977681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in middle school I used remote applescript to make other people's computer lab Macs talk to them < 1381527171 437783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked that voice where the sample sentence in the control panel was "the light you see at the end of the tunnel is the headlights of a fast approaching train", or something approximately like that. < 1381527188 678742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of the singing ones? < 1381527197 396751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was a sing-songy one. < 1381527204 591998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bad News", I think. < 1381527272 872752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381527506 104638 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-254-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381528445 254020 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381528940 673597 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381528967 40347 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1381529342 856667 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1381529477 907972 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 PART :#esoteric < 1381529502 447233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381529553 881759 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381529571 697942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to access the printer in a SDL based program? < 1381529584 396678 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381529633 83541 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure SDL affects printing. < 1381529734 980493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't see any SDL functions for printing, although is there some cross-platform library usable with SDL programs that can emulate a line printer or something like that? < 1381529906 80930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have finally earned over 300% advantage of points in basketball; before I was between 200% and 300%. < 1381529933 343173 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1381530005 254204 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1381530616 773376 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381531164 288339 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1381531205 645072 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I have a language in which it is possible to implement programs that would output every possible integer sequence < 1381531235 245478 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that one program per sequence? < 1381531238 428182 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381531265 686975 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say there is an output function which takes an arbitrarily large integer as argument, and outputs it < 1381531296 28998 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is possible < 1381531299 229961 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume for every sequence (a_n) there exists a program where this output function is called first on a_0, then a_1, etc < 1381531303 498002 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without infinitely long programs < 1381531319 607568 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there are only a countably infinite number of possible programs < 1381531321 166865 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the set of all integer sequences is uncountable < 1381531332 391522 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an uncountably infinite number of possible sequences of integers < 1381531336 642769 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the set of programs in a given language is countable < 1381531351 833425 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a problem < 1381531363 466830 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need infinitely long programs < 1381531379 92852 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that there are no turing-complete languages at all < 1381531382 418 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been lied to < 1381531395 568926 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of computable integer sequences is countable < 1381531415 962311 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1381531422 962301 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a computable integer sequence? < 1381531447 184214 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that you can write a program to output it, pretty much < 1381531447 616109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a program to output it. :p < 1381531455 234673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of computable anything is countable < 1381531459 498954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the set of programs is countable < 1381531469 376936 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much my point < 1381531495 314097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Your point seems to be missing the link between itself and the alleged impossibility of Turing-completeness. < 1381531496 461198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1381531523 145793 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, "turing-complete" means you can write any program < 1381531528 161147 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just proved that's not possible < 1381531533 558088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: You didn't. < 1381531540 116570 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are simply not enough different programs < 1381531546 262799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: You can write any program, so you can output any computable integer sequence, sure. < 1381531555 144704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: There's no requirement that all integer sequences have programs. < 1381531557 196762 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm gonna drop out of computer school and become a musician instead, now that I know the truth < 1381531573 74018 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what's the definition of computable? < 1381531605 246304 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"computable means it can be done by a program" "this language is turing-complete because you can write a program for every computable task" < 1381531636 55479 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting a simple integer sequence sounds like something you should be able to do < 1381531649 663897 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhows, I'm going to bed now < 1381531651 569349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "sounds like something" isn't much of an argument. < 1381531683 962373 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear the Church-Turing thesis isn't either < 1381531713 810425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Church-Turing really affects the definition of Turing-complete, though. < 1381531721 254932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1381531735 770642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Turing-complete if you can do everything a Turing machine can do, and the name doesn't really sound like it'd promise anything more. < 1381531739 928218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines are a perfectly well defined mathematical construct regardless of the C-T thesis < 1381531779 612524 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it basically says "Being Turing-complete is equivalent to 'be able to do anything'" without really stating what "anything" is < 1381531790 990880 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's intuitive < 1381531792 392661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the C-T thesis says yes < 1381531796 286798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a formal statement < 1381531798 104829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be < 1381531798 423462 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, integer sequences are intuitive < 1381531805 380557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot proceed from the informal to the formal by formal means! < 1381531810 849647 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know, the flying fire-breathing monkeys < 1381531823 375870 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night :) < 1381531841 816567 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1381531900 67622 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381531908 888916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck was he on about < 1381531939 124832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ the C-T thesis is about machines which can actually be built; it's easy enough to make mathematical models stronger than a Turing Machine < 1381531939 270458 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1381531976 778095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really < 1381531985 382410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a limiting statement, isn't it < 1381532014 229264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well feel free to substitute "method which can be carried out" for "machine which can be built" < 1381532044 241690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you mean tho < 1381532072 185840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously you can't actually build a TM because infinite memory < 1381532087 621562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true true < 1381532390 679323 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381533059 97628 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any uninteresting complex numbers < 1381533085 120564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i" don't think so. < 1381533090 459934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say 0 but maybe it's actually one of the most interesting numbers ever!! < 1381533127 168970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is any uninteresting real number also an uninteresting complex number, or is it more complex than that? < 1381533154 69672 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof that there are no uninteresting naturals doesn't extend to it at all, I think < 1381533194 109472 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-254-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381533203 774369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can order the Gaussian integers. < 1381533225 678582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well-ordering theorem bitches < 1381533234 63558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idk if that actually works) < 1381533357 108377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can find some property that lets you pick one of the assumed uninteresting complex numbers. < 1381533411 278820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, anyone know if [ foo -et bar ] is in POSIX test? < 1381533418 330779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, -ef rather < 1381533455 177046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/test.html < 1381533463 140440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some additional primaries newly invented or from the KornShell appeared in an early proposal as part of the conditional command ( [[]]): s1 > s2, s1 < s2, str = pattern, str != pattern, f1 -nt f2, f1 -ot f2, and f1 -ef f2. They were not carried forward into the test utility when the conditional command was removed from the shell because they have not been included in the test utility built into historical implementations of the sh utility. < 1381533472 967099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadness < 1381533500 417581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you doing autotools things again or something < 1381533508 267789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just hacking the servo configure script a bit < 1381533522 188239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is hand-written, not autoconf) < 1381533565 777566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just put bash after #! and ignore posix? < 1381533578 277104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems rude < 1381533621 123213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you supporting anything that actually doesn't have bash at all? < 1381533669 877609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just compare stat -c '%d.%i' of both files except that stat(1)'s not POSIX either. < 1381533720 387651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was my first idea before I thought to check if test had this ability built in < 1381533723 875986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no < 1381533851 710599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want ./configure to check if $0 and ./configure are the same file < 1381533880 42470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I should do: fgrep -q pO1TnNAzAlfRkUq4T/sSzf5hSjP3XxK7kA+ItpXA5Kx+Gm47yVFr5+Q/bQK6wJfTSLARo6HgVIsF ./configure < 1381533913 357917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that base64 /dev/urandom < 1381533945 481640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381534834 585142 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258] < 1381534887 154278 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:28c8:479c:113a:65f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381535639 285839 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 QUIT :Quit: Leaving