< 1379721611 156676 :nio247!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had an idea for an esolang, what if we had something like a string-rewriting system using a list of production rules < 1379721642 620458 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been done a few times i think? what's yr twist on it < 1379721685 21940 :nio247!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each rule was of the form "if contents of buffer X match a CFG expression Y, rewrite contents of buffer Z with an expression W", where W can have substrings copied from some part of Y < 1379721747 148379 :nio247!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be an easier or harder way to write grammars, idk. < 1379721906 638878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFG might be more expressive than the usual regular... < 1379721954 366342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although as thue shows, you only need fixed strings and one buffer to be TC < 1379721995 248586 :nio247!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that if you can also include expressions for multiple buffers (i.e. a set of strings A -> a set of strings B, plus a set of subexpressions C that have to be equal among matches), then you can, for example, parse C code, populate a symbol table, and check if something is known or not at the same time. < 1379722060 587110 :nio247!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... as opposed to writing a LL(*) parser for a superset of a language, and then doing semantic analysis (is this a variable name or a type name?) to discard invalid programs. < 1379722088 666059 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1379722306 772639 :nio247!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm trying to do is take a turing-tarpit (a production-based string-rewriting system like Thue) and make it into something that is somewhat easier to use... except my flavor isn't much better in that regard either. < 1379722576 213986 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@dhcp-128-189-201-31.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1379722693 565263 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379722941 247223 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1379723070 238649 :OriginalOldMan!62e86073@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.96.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379723539 931610 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379723547 724650 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379723721 254939 :OriginalOldMan!62e86073@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.96.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1379724217 747167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1379724801 585036 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1379725075 584447 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379725629 595556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1379726309 898000 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1379727194 691963 :nio247!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1379728268 327865 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379730117 687518 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379730258 686788 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1379730588 616632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379732794 558842 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here willing to explain to me how synchronous design in circuits works? i'm missing something easy i'm sure < 1379732921 606342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :willing, not able < 1379732952 233791 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have known :( < 1379733398 728400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory "just ask your question" < 1379733439 855334 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how" < 1379733482 24803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "synchronous design" < 1379733484 629306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :im probably not helpin < 1379733525 620123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't understand how you like, synchronize everything to not happen all at once. it seems probably more complicated than doing "everything" on a clock posedge < 1379733991 232616 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I'm not sure if it's what you mean, but like < 1379734004 400660 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :register -> wires and transistors and stuff -> register < 1379734016 306997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea is like. the clock is a period of time, and during that period of time, everything in the middle is "on" < 1379734024 952848 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and happens at once < 1379734039 398966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course like, the signal takes time to travel down the middle, which happens during the clock, which isn't instant < 1379734044 750162 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, then why would you worry about latency in an adder? < 1379734054 325042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, towards the start of the clock, a wire near the end might have an interdeterminate state < 1379734057 803509 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeterminate < 1379734064 559036 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the electricity hasn't propagated yet? < 1379734084 635890 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what i'm worried about < 1379734088 60594 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the design rules and stuff ensure that the signal propagates to the end register before the clock ends, basically. so that it's not indeterminate < 1379734107 461478 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see... < 1379734108 163738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, you worry about latency because that limits how fast you can set your clock < 1379734111 27343 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense. < 1379734115 350410 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! yeah! < 1379734116 938722 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't set your clock faster than the signal propagates? < 1379734119 370818 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, yeah, cool < 1379734122 888943 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's right. < 1379734124 969551 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps < 1379734206 115297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think when your FPGA thing tells you the clock rate of your design, it did the analysis and found the longest path? and then did math and stuff < 1379734223 687421 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i'm not as far as that yet, i'm doing the worrying myself >_> < 1379734228 941823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with FPGA it's more complicated though because it has these limited interconnects between different parts and it sometimes has to time-division multiplex them, i think < 1379734325 130952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to decide where to put everything < 1379734336 819375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not just adding up gate delays, but actually doing a really complex optimization problem < 1379734344 95956 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think i'm still not sure how fpgas work < 1379734359 100453 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ide thing apparently lays things out in terms of logic gates, if only at some intermediate stage < 1379734380 38394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway note that you don't need clocks for pure combinational logic < 1379734403 563905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pure logic gate (and any circuit of such gates with no feedback) will just have outputs that settle some amount of time after all the inputs have settled < 1379734421 24215 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's why we haven't learned any clocking in class :p < 1379734426 388920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "settle" means that the voltage is in the "represents 0" or "represents 1" range for the logic family you're using < 1379734459 367679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and really there are two sets of ranges, one for inputs and one for outputs) < 1379734483 801297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn circuits by reading a lot of Lava code or something. < 1379734524 234313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need clocks when you have state, because you need to say when to update the state, presumably after the combinational logic has settled < 1379734532 384591 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, a/nother/ hdl < 1379734547 638740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there are some things that have state but no clocks, like a buffer with a schmitt trigger input) < 1379734551 622814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: actually there's about six things called Lava. < 1379734558 259745 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have the wrong xilinx chip. < 1379734573 996494 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm guessing you mean the one related to circuits and haskell. who could say why i am making such a guess! < 1379734584 101833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I mean there are multiple circuit EDSLs for Haskell called Lava. < 1379734590 484918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What HDL do you like anyways? I didn't like them perfectly due to other problem so I made up my own idea; what kind of feature would you want for HDL, anyways? I would like to know opinion of who does too < 1379734594 96790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's York Lava, Kansas Lava, Chalmers Lava, probably others < 1379734595 934265 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs, closes everything
< 1379734607 34405 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to biology, where the code is shitty but uniform < 1379734616 362031 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther'es a circuit edsl for scala too. what lanaguage DOESN'T have a circuit edsl at this point < 1379734620 127762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can imagine making a whole processor — fetch, decode, execute, memory, writeback — as pure combinational logic, but the longest gate delay path through there will be really long < 1379734629 923880 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right, right < 1379734634 898500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why pipelining was invented < 1379734652 88452 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what fiora said makes this much easier for me to understand intuitively < 1379734654 885863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: anyway I like 'em because VHDL and Verilog are so noisy and the Lavas seem nice and declarative (to varying degrees, I like the one that the Reduceron is built with most because it uses observable sharing so there's a lot less noise, even if it's kinda creepy). < 1379734655 31172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1379734661 34114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I don't know; perhaps INTERCAL? Is there one in Forth? < 1379734664 422576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just throwing out things I know now :) < 1379734664 754375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe sort of get the async stuff in neural models < 1379734701 726891 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think i'm pretty far from implementing "An FPGA implementation of a polychronous spiking neural network with delay adaptation", soon the brain will be mine < 1379734729 795234 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah verilog is pretty annoying, it just doesn't matter because i'm doing the circuitry equivalent of writing "convert fahrenheit to degrees" programs < 1379734763 189643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Verilog a little bit but I don't like it all that much; the others seem worse though. < 1379734776 992462 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i shouldn't bother asking verilog-specific questions here since nobody seems to know it < 1379734789 444954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can take a look at http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/reduceron/memos/Memo23.txt. it's accessible even to me, person who knows nothing about circuits. maybe it'll just make you feel worse about having to use verilog though < 1379734794 458553 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with verilog is using it in conjunction with an ide to write a dumb pipelined processor for a schoolcourse < 1379734795 337224 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I basically know, like, my remnants of attempts to intuitively understand it -_- < 1379734817 473265 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i possibly have memories of a tiny bit of verilog < 1379734864 506001 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why is this already talking about clock cycles... whatever, i'm just making a fuckin adder < 1379734890 491043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so I think the FPGA has its own clock, separate from any clocks you might built into your design < 1379734906 829904 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1379734908 757866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that look like pure combinational logic might still need to be implemented using clocks < 1379734913 114720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of sharing those interconnects, etc < 1379734930 200079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one clock provided to me but i think others were mentioned < 1379735002 626809 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379735006 905629 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the xilinx development internals has kind of soured me from learning about how the chip actually works, though >_> < 1379735086 318894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you had better figure it out anyways so that it can be programmed by making a program in the FPGA to do it, so that you don't need the other computer to make it. < 1379735131 981274 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is, zzo38, that to do that (which I would like to do,, in the abstract), I would essentially have to reverse engineer a few gigabytes worth of tools, which I don't really have the expertise or will to do. < 1379735156 895459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask someone else to do. < 1379735178 369543 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Could you reverse engineer a few gigabytes worth of proprietary tools for me? < 1379735241 275279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, but I expect that maybe many people can try to do it together. < 1379735415 710385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That includes anyone who has the file (I don't). < 1379735445 257991 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the system free, actually. < 1379735454 340448 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in lack of beer, obviously < 1379735485 425935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have those FPGA though. Even if I had the program it won't help if I don't have FPGA as well. < 1379735540 689004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the physical board to figure out how the programs work. < 1379735555 28558 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: don't feel like it < 1379735599 762173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having the physical board too would help < 1379735736 792368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of features would you intend to have in hardware programming languages? < 1379735832 232484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, HWPL would be something like: TRIGGER .CLOCK SET .REGISTER TO .INPUT; or perhaps you wait it continuous instead of by edge, for example: LATCH .CLOCK SET .REGISTER TO .INPUT; CONNECT .REGISTER TO .OUTPUT; < 1379735858 655701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of just this example at least? < 1379735894 237751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile in wired http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/bitcoin-homeless/ < 1379735952 599669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some commands might be: TRIGGER vector SET vector TO vector; LATCH bit SET vector TO vector; CONNECT vector TO vector; CONNECT vector TO vector WHEN bit; and so on. < 1379736196 316820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And he can beef up this daily take with Bitcoin Tapper, a mobile app that doles out about 0.000133 bitcoins a day — a couple of pennies — if he just taps on a digital icon over and over again." kill everyone < 1379736329 252398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MODULE !D_FLIP_FLOP() {.CLOCK,.D,.Q,.NOTQ} BEGIN INPUT {.CLOCK,.D}; REGISTER .Q; OUTPUT .NOTQ; CONNECT ~.Q TO .NOTQ; TRIGGER .CLOCK SET .Q TO .D; END; Is this good? < 1379736416 300688 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoin beats the shit out of regular money < 1379736435 468635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean that 600k homeless people in the US seems surprisingly low to me < 1379736459 842326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I am just using regular money though, just Canadian coins and bills < 1379736488 75397 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i bet it doesn't have any shit in it. you can thank bitcoin for that. < 1379736521 685814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1379736847 843786 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379736994 566674 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379736996 334666 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379737109 722924 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each numeric type contains exactly one value." yeah this is grand < 1379737680 737194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What are you refering to? < 1379739182 691120 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1379739755 731693 :audioPhil_!~quassel@lak-29-208.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379739803 749929 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379740030 501429 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bytes < 1379740151 686770 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379740473 774318 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: .oO( https://medium.com/funny-stuff/d7e5d14065f1 ) < 1379740581 711602 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379740632 416667 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hard to read. < 1379740654 291348 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@154.5.185.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379740723 260054 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the third part is relevant. < 1379740731 848973 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379740761 151653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to? < 1379740765 414550 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the homelessness thing. < 1379740770 808139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttcoin < 1379740822 458441 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's worth noting that "paid to hit a button for advertisers" is, still, pretty much an actual improvement < 1379741115 275661 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 NICK :lifthrasiir < 1379742681 326522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat that numpy lets you get the elements of x which are less than 4 as x[x < 4] < 1379742686 498220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x<4 is an array of bools < 1379742815 460161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that is interesting, and is a good idea to use array of bools like this. < 1379742987 822428 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379744402 840390 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1379744431 482112 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1379744436 72777 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1379744493 692287 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1379744711 64026 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@154.5.185.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379745367 643373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379746119 292837 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379746246 109456 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379746285 196416 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379747835 942812 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379754719 321619 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379755351 476745 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379755356 152876 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379755962 282990 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1379756026 570677 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1379756637 49440 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1379756643 172236 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379758132 664410 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1379762337 333490 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1379763865 856369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379765291 253231 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379768361 345900 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1379768426 492243 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379768447 331553 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1379773406 171604 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Gregor elliott kicked HackEgo on Friday, could you bring it back in the channel? Thank you! =) < 1379773406 354393 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379773439 819684 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Manifest destiny. < 1379774697 538901 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379775148 400719 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379775323 134808 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1379775534 849492 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay =P < 1379776385 120933 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379780285 852300 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1379780851 107549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379782235 221388 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379782868 110637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379783422 153221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379783540 540918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did elliott kick HackEgo on Friday? < 1379783567 404129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gone power-mad < 1379783637 194570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was being used for multi-bot spam :p < 1379783700 158959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can still access it private anyways < 1379783708 702015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1379783728 64863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it still works < 1379783821 913829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And things like `list and so on can still be typed into the channel even if HackEgo no longer responds; you will have to filter on the client-side instead, now. < 1379783865 708776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I told you that at first, you didn't like it; now what do you think? < 1379783872 256944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1379783936 250362 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY IDEAS NOW, ACADEMY?? MWAHAHAHAHAHA *zzo surrounded by lightning* < 1379784359 563279 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hopefully VIS will get it working soon, but they don't care (or know) much about linux. " ausdfahisdfnqfoiasdf < 1379784391 328630 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know that IT people not knowing some unix was a thing. what a fool i am. < 1379785195 404491 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty common thing TBH. < 1379785239 709696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1379785239 855283 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1379785256 846184 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this problem is even linux-specific though, so i'll have to find a windows computer to test on. siiiigh < 1379785499 231341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish my department and the EECS department just shared tech support. what's the fuckin point of splitting it up < 1379786166 724495 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't trust each other < 1379786398 883080 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379786640 558488 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1379786998 477385 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer science department, as a rule, never uses the same tech support. < 1379787030 700 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, i want the CS department's tech support to take over everyone else's, for hopefuly obvious reasons. < 1379787080 50404 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other departments, as a rule, never use the computer science department for tech support. < 1379787085 761672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whyyyyy < 1379788694 862638 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379788907 868602 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379789381 376984 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379789505 856091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call the command to tell it that a label refers to a vocabulary entry? (It is like DW but it sets the internal vocabulary flag in the compiler) < 1379790307 828372 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379791232 137419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1379791484 542850 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1379791490 499300 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379792282 249990 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played Mafia IRL last night. Couldn't stop cracking up when I was maf, still managed to win that round < 1379792360 641218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok as long as it's not evil laughter < 1379792788 536305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when other people have ideas that i'd love to have < 1379793715 587260 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1379794662 135149 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379794719 557823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recommended For You" "The New Nordic Diet - from Gastronomy to Health" ... I don't know about this, Coursera. < 1379794962 893005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lutefisk diet, guaranteed to lose weigth as long as you eat nothing else. < 1379794968 139979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weight < 1379795277 43125 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corpses shed weight pretty fast. < 1379795310 895319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people _may_ have claimed the word "else" is redundant there. < 1379795816 357265 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379796520 253937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379796622 367408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i eat lutefisk and hákarl < 1379796874 803143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you _can_ < 1379796900 870271 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was laughing when the narrator announced who was killed off < 1379796941 368849 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :great narrators are awesome < 1379797002 517307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." < 1379797018 673488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure I am physically capable of eating hákarl < 1379797020 684459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds scary < 1379797034 588724 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were joking that I was definitely either mafia or really liked death < 1379797041 35525 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention Mafia won? < 1379797052 590084 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you did < 1379797055 560615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so scary, it's just rotten poisonous fish < 1379797064 33934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have seen that quotation before < 1379797074 736734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a movie, that is how it is. < 1379797124 21231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379797140 623285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apparently it's "The 2,000 Year Old Man". < 1379797152 559878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Mel Brooks. < 1379797170 239169 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379797190 697328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess he'll never know. < 1379797345 551387 :Guest18414!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lyjdibkxngzrlxav JOIN :#esoteric < 1379797658 941602 :Guest18414!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lyjdibkxngzrlxav NICK :AwfulProgrammer < 1379797995 954042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lights in my living room are now visualizing the operation of randomly chosen "turing machines" on a finite cyclic tape < 1379798032 684130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are heuristics for choosing interesting machines of this sort < 1379798184 97806 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1379798312 513737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's often the case that the undergrad-run computing club has better stuff than the CS department or anyone else < 1379798581 722366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in terms of hardware (since it's usually hand-me-downs) but in terms of competence and entertainment value < 1379798763 845092 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379798998 606259 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379799049 635770 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the CS IT seems pretty good, they can wrangle the network printers and stuff. meanwhile the LUG is kinda stereotypical :p < 1379799491 368237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1379799560 342358 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a sign up talking about how linux is better than windows because it's more secure but also just more fun < 1379799588 61738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they having an argument about which distro is better as you passed by? xD < 1379799628 98502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereotypes of linux user group: likes linux < 1379799630 834975 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't stick around, was only there to buy my fpga from the ieee people < 1379799631 780117 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1379799781 628208 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: «Decaf design's initiative aims for global synergy of design area's to "Green" an actual product, while seeking execution by exposure to producers and investors - San Francisco" < 1379799785 606427 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*» < 1379799835 513918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :area's < 1379799861 205547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, are they making coffe? < 1379799863 502360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*coffee < 1379799900 17573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like they're trying to obfuscate that they haven't figured out what they're doing yet < 1379799953 789596 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they retweeted a reply i made that seemingly has nothing to do with any of that, and had already retweeted a bunch of weird stuff from strangers multiple times, so i just reported them as spam < 1379799959 676508 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be very effacious i'm sure < 1379799979 226343 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficacious* i dunno i love that word < 1379800138 74937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecoffeacious < 1379800155 427615 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echo-feces-ous < 1379802255 256974 :S1!d9fc8d74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.252.141.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379802398 133559 :S1!d9fc8d74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.252.141.116 QUIT :Client Quit < 1379803799 927512 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379805839 580821 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379805843 35554 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379805955 238709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379806101 591736 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1379807199 730747 :nooodl_!~nooodl@51.191-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379807266 441090 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1379807269 537165 :nooodl_!~nooodl@51.191-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1379807732 502153 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c431376.r76.cf2.rackcdn.com/38376/fnins-07-00014-HTML/image_m/fnins-07-00014-t001.jpg hardest of the core < 1379807777 974924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh LUTs as RAM < 1379807784 295697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you compile < 1379807819 489976 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me yet :( it's a neural simulator, most of the ram is axonal properties < 1379807872 59073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I read neural stimulator and thought you were building some kind of mind-computer interface < 1379807928 132541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are seeing is just the escaped AI simulating Bike to throw us off while it conquers the world.