< 1379635218 341194 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I meant the company ^^; < 1379635221 927484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that makes the keyfobs and stuff < 1379635223 933710 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a company. Founded by the people in RSA. < 1379635269 619470 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the deliberately crippled pseudo random number generator (PRNG), which is so weak that it undermines the security of most or all cryptography systems that use it" wow, things have escalated. < 1379635286 124229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saw that NIST also disowned it, right? < 1379635296 651079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1379635303 767136 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1379635306 910967 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"McAfee representatives issued a statement that confirmed the McAfee Firewall Enterprise Control Center 5.3.1 supported the Dual_EC_DRBG, but only when deployed in federal government or government contractor customer environments, where this FIPS certification has recommended it" bahahaha < 1379635313 571551 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1379635318 239804 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job nsa, you got YOUR OWN FUCKING GOVERNMENT to use your FUCKING BROKEN hack < 1379635321 208559 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks douchebags < 1379635328 856945 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the NSA wanted to spy on other parts of the government? < 1379635331 304384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/09/the-many-flaws-of-dualecdrbg.html is a really great detailed writeup < 1379635333 84595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, that's a thing spy agencies do, right < 1379635341 475886 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they spy on each other < 1379635345 892307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this big incestuous family thing < 1379635349 192480 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but they're < 1379635350 115465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah intelligence agencies tend to become autonomous terrorist cells rather than anything that's accountable to either government or citizens < 1379635353 818753 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : supposed to spy on other ones! < 1379635357 447716 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... yeah what kmc said. < 1379635382 901954 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean even disregarding that, crippling government security is kind of the opposite of even the nsa's supposed mission to do literally the exact opposite of that. < 1379635389 215109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stratfor handbook has an entry on the nsa < 1379635399 132081 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? what's it say < 1379635416 368058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they're completely out of control, and so compartmentalised that nobody actually knows what anyone else is doing" < 1379635424 27421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1379635444 418187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they are just breaking crypto and not kidnapping people to give them LSD just to see what happens < 1379635457 147269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The length of time that Dual_EC_DRBG takes can be seen as a virtue: it also slows down an attacker trying to guess the seed" lol < 1379635484 340901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it only compromises the government's security if you're the NSA though? at least in theory < 1379635503 221044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for the NSA it's just plain a good thing if they get anyone at all to use it ever < 1379635503 366384 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a very stupid theory that goes against every cryptographic practice. < 1379635510 483089 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, i mean, is what they were thinking, i'm sure. < 1379635523 344046 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. what i'm saying is they're incompetent. < 1379635542 596734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're actually turning out to be kind of disturbingly competent < 1379635569 309424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, doesn't really matter if your compromised rng is obviously shitty if you can pressure people who don't understand that into using it < 1379635581 521816 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the CIA. They're disturbingly competent at some things (e.g. kidnapping) and worse at others (e.g. not making half the world hate the united states) < 1379635611 602179 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. Anyone here used davfs2? < 1379635613 642894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, the thing is that even the NSA probably doesn't want the rest of the world to be able to break the US government's encryption. just them. < 1379635639 657600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a point < 1379635682 172083 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, half the mission of the NSA is making it so that US communications can't be cracked. < 1379635684 945200 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean intelligence agencies seem to have this thing where they're pretty great at the microscale of their job but then use it to just fuck everything over constantly. < 1379635715 802952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the CIA ran the opium trade in the Pacific for a while. I'm sure they did it very well! But the problem with that is that they ran an opium trade < 1379635730 548848 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that a lack of oversight is bad. < 1379635736 765495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, this just really, really irritates me. < 1379635753 712040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the CIA just likes having fun. < 1379635771 45551 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And money. < 1379635776 651405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, hey we should go install a new government in some random country today! hey we should try out this whole drug trade thing! life's an adventure! < 1379635779 703543 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opium trading is a great source of income. < 1379635787 952780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked for the british < 1379635866 354451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cause 2 is actually a documentary < 1379635872 892822 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughing @ idea of cheery cia agent saying "life's an adventure!" to a bunch of filipino muslims he's torturing < 1379636512 530049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the vibe I'm going for, yeah < 1379636673 557174 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard a story that the cia faked a vampire attack in mindanao once, so, that works < 1379636791 146627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black comedy set in the CIA in the 60s < 1379636792 182732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1379636813 617780 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like it would come out a lot like Dr. Strangelove < 1379636826 300855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1379637010 867564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've gone like seven years wanting to see Dr. Strangelove without actually doing it. I'm great. I'm the best < 1379637187 793574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1379637218 14084 :mnoqy!~okay@98.108.206.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1379637253 669527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I never thought of that before < 1379637308 357749 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :davfs2 is great < 1379637321 443641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls tells me what are the files are but then because of the fucked configuration i can't access them < 1379637339 984165 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so cp, which just uses usual cp instead of dav's copy, can't do shit even though i can over dav < 1379637414 44776 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it will probably actually be great once the IT nerds unfuck themselves) < 1379637644 801080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrds < 1379638023 18141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, I sometimes teleport without knowing where I am going, and ending up frightening the people who are in there, if any. (In ifMUD, I have set a olounge teleport message to "suddenly appears in the middle of the room in an instant, frightening (or almost frightening) a few people..." partially for that reason.) < 1379638055 707557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of messages? < 1379638197 778470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/story/70/00/020312/nsa-620x317-620x317.jpg?hash=MGx2L2ZlZT&upscale=1 < 1379638201 554497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much car park... < 1379638280 831597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that sounds like it would come out a lot like Dr. Strangelove < 1379638303 78546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, sounds more like 4 lions or the coen brothers < 1379638402 766753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you play the Dungeons&Dragons game, say, do you do things like this too? < 1379639040 31763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379639383 472217 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plomlwopruvnrwbg QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1379639516 461991 :Koen!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen < 1379639545 810195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379639568 276796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1379640626 182333 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379640710 343478 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379640711 40050 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379640855 240182 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mtlqeswmunzicsed JOIN :#esoteric < 1379645956 948101 :mnoqy!~okay@98.108.206.66 QUIT :Quit: hello < 1379646115 315282 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379650244 4647 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1379653365 722722 :audioPhil_!~quassel@lak-73-144.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379653403 724390 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379655868 756717 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1379657037 616103 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1379657040 763749 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1379658310 111932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have had an opportunity to read your article [REDACTED] on [REDACTED]. Through your works, I know you are an expert in this field." Yeah, I'm sure you've read it and are not just automatically spamming all authors for articles for your journal named almost exactly like a well-known existing journal. < 1379658325 438746 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1379658451 540998 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you want to write for Naturer? < 1379658480 662663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please look at CGA Collection this time < 1379658807 260270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379662575 859992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379664380 207993 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379664437 789574 :impomatic!~digital_w@200.79.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1379666720 147206 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379667425 356538 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1379667482 311561 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379667569 900786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1379667656 56600 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish me out-of-context luck! < 1379667660 735756 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1379667853 315987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good oocluck, then. < 1379668506 176354 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379669575 231035 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1379672719 225383 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379674274 108287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1379674986 145160 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379675358 178780 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1379676075 981759 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379676622 92221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/gDce nice memory use numbers in 'top' here. < 1379676927 758123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379676972 40881 :audioPhil_!~quassel@lak-73-144.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de NICK :audioPhil < 1379676980 64481 :audioPhil!~quassel@lak-73-144.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de QUIT :Changing host < 1379676980 209705 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379677800 783633 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, should I learn Rust? < 1379677857 713903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm not kmc, but I think you should learn Rust < 1379678071 526107 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should I learn Rust over learning, say C++? < 1379678112 40462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: C++ is as of 2013 more practically useful; I'm hoping Rust overtakes it, although sadly it probably won't < 1379678117 345181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is a much better language, though, IMO < 1379678124 360495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like sheer eso craziness < 1379678129 632677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then C++ is pretty good < 1379678159 888052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: I added a couple of small C++ files to a mostly-C project recently, because I needed to create a file that could produce side effects upon being linked into a project < 1379678166 513623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without causing it to fail to compile if it wasn't < 1379678177 226883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be done in portable C, but it can be done in portable C++ < 1379678185 870584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact a bunch of systems have complex linker support just to get that to work < 1379678266 524228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that seems... < 1379678269 887069 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a weird thing to do < 1379678300 59045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well you know how the Linux kernel has modules that can be compiled in and can also be dynamically loaded, depending on configuration? < 1379678304 864068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1379678316 696712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going for something like that, except that the core file would know which files were compiled in without anyone having to tell it < 1379678333 762513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it would know whether it needed to try to dynamically load them or not if someone requested them < 1379678334 838245 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that much about the linux kernel < 1379678364 156182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1379678375 944680 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should probably learn at some point) < 1379678378 771706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to know anything about internals to know that, just to have configured it at least once < 1379678386 293815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess people don't configure the kernel very often < 1379678503 592241 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to get some lunch now < 1379679125 997240 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What's the point of configuring the kernel? When do you need to do it? < 1379679143 267120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: when you're compiling it in anything other than a stock configuration < 1379679158 684385 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want to do that? < 1379679159 500436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, it was for an embedded system < 1379679164 143364 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1379679174 441925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needed to turn off as many features as we could get away with to save disk space < 1379679200 645344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the sysadmins here had to reconfigure the kernel of a VM for me so that a program I wrote that required specific kernel support would run < 1379679214 311837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the flags to prctl) < 1379679218 616267 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess I just never used anything specific enough to have to do that =) < 1379679290 336938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was on by default in the kernel my laptop uses < 1379679299 457133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently not in the configuration used by the desktops and servers here < 1379679309 487112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should always configure your kernel unusually to keep the NSA off balance. also, have this nice tin(*) hat. (*) _genuine_ tin, not that aluminium thing that _strengthens_ the mind control rays instead. < 1379679376 54068 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use lead instead < 1379679384 639038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there was that huge row from people who didn't understand the way the Linux kernel implemented randomness < 1379679397 350040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling it to stop XORing rdrand() results with its true-random numbers to make them randomer < 1379679405 608005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: that only helps against the cancer-producing rays. < 1379679415 610757 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You haven't met my mother < 1379679431 354671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be true. < 1379679488 179758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think i saw a post where linus insulted them recently. < 1379679500 121093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1379679515 803640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wasn't so much typical linus insults < 1379679523 596340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much too mild. < 1379679527 322684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as "go read the kernel source, then tell me if your request makes any sense" < 1379679637 928366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FjXH <- this software does not fill me with confidence. < 1379679684 390500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those warnings are the same thing, though < 1379679701 648612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 64 bit, it'll work fine if they're storing integers in pointers < 1379679703 900277 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds nice. Pointers as ints are always nice. < 1379679708 144959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not if they're storing pointers in integers < 1379679713 441087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both situations would cause that warning < 1379679733 439037 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, casting an int as a pointer causes the "pointer-to-int" warning? < 1379679749 180838 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound intuitive < 1379679765 548790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, if you've just read about how applying the NSA PRNG to "improve" true random output ruins it, you'd be naturally suspicious of other ways of "improving" random numbers, too. < 1379679766 856713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to convert both ways in both scenarios, generally. < 1379679786 864776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the most part those warnings are of the if (debug) printf ("...@%x...", (int)thisisapointer); variety, which is clearly wrong but does not really matter. < 1379679848 728402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there is one case of if (unsignedcharvalue = (unsigned char)NULL) (except obscured by typedefs) which is also completely wrong if NULL is defined as "(void *)0", but does not matter either. < 1379679894 591008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, all the others than that one seem to be debug printouts. < 1379679901 726032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whoever wrote this clearly has not heard of %p.) < 1379679935 719857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a style guide somewhere saying not to use %p ever < 1379679937 978578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember why < 1379679967 49472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, (unsigned char)NULL, not (unsigned char *)NULL ? < 1379679980 899593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, well, the other side is an unsigned char (not a pointer to it) too. < 1379679993 937661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's looking for the terminating '\0' of a string, as far as I can tell. < 1379680005 734087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering, is it ever possible for (unsigned char)NULL to not be 0? < 1379680008 490672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1379680019 677032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is yes, but zero constants work weirdly when it comes to pointers < 1379680029 302010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (void*)(float)0 is always NULL < 1379680041 650556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, (void*)(int)(float)0 < 1379680060 495883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1379680088 786298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you _sure_ of that. < 1379680095 272566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think that's true. < 1379680108 328424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is true that (void*)(int)0.0f is always NULL, however. < 1379680121 723346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1379680136 166000 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related: http://ewontfix.com/11/ < 1379680143 512456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can't remember the exact rules, but they're stupid < 1379680155 182701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about (void*)(NULL - NULL)? < 1379680188 608372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Integer constant expressions" are allowed to include "floating constants that are the immediate operands of casts", but any cast operators "shall only convert arithmetic types to integer types", which would outlaw the (float) cast. < 1379680209 605682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course a null pointer expression needs an integer constant expression with a value of 0.) < 1379680216 336893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, ridiculous :) < 1379680245 341043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (void *)(NULL - NULL) is always correct, if the definition of NULL includes the (legal) cast to (void *). < 1379680294 200533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is pointer subtraction defined if the pointers are NULL < 1379680296 541556 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rust is still making < 1379680313 935653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was wondering that myself < 1379680320 312677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously undefined if exactly one is NULL < 1379680333 893409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not pointing to the same array, because there is no array. < 1379680340 252133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both being NULL is the sort of situation you don't lean the rules for because it's stupid to do it < 1379680360 480144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both pointing one past the end of (void[0])NULL :P < 1379680385 887890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no [0]. < 1379680400 760000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Both shall point to elements of the same array object" is all it says. < 1379680407 842740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's not right. < 1379680433 168907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Anyway*, regarding the original topic, I don't think "(int)(void *)0" has any particular guarantees that would require it to be 0. < 1379680440 200879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I have a pointer to something that isn't an array < 1379680444 536024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't subtract that pointer from itself? < 1379680476 652762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's bootstrapping now < 1379680480 626898 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am scared < 1379680492 700591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you have a valid pointer to something that isn't an array? (There's a rule that says approximately that everything can be treated as one-element arrays.) < 1379680492 863160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this could easily be achieved via, say, taking the address of a stack element) < 1379680503 872941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, right < 1379680642 623473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the purposes of these operators, a pointer to an object that is not an element of an array behaves the same as a pointer to the first element of an array of length one with the type of the object as its element type." < 1379680650 736795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These operators" being + and -. < 1379680723 835053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas NULL doesn't count because it doesn't necessarily point to anything? < 1379680734 270874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It explicitly does not point to any object, I think. < 1379680818 205431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's possible for it to point to something < 1379680830 3269 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it defined somewhere? I keep getting errors saying that NULL doesn't exist >_> < 1379680852 700652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything in the standard to prevent NULL being somewhere on the stack? (it can't be on the heap, unless it's in the middle of an object, because free ignores it) < 1379680857 989984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: stdlib.h < 1379680863 8942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: It's defined in many headers, but is the standard location. < 1379680873 979433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :, and others define it too. < 1379680891 570097 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite parse "While using rustc directly to generate your executables, and then running them manually is a perfectly valid way to test your code, for smaller projects, prototypes, or if you're a beginner, it might be more convenient to use the rust tool." < 1379680898 228749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1379680929 334284 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it saying that compiling then running is better if I'm a beginner, or is it saying that using the rust tool is better if I'm a beginner? < 1379680943 311504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyhow, a null pointer is "guaranteed to compare unequal to a pointer to any object or function", which would be a contradiction if it actually pointed to an object, because it would then compare equal to any pointer to that object. < 1379680959 191020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1379680986 873219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can have a "char *" at any individual byte of an object, so I think you can't even hide it in the middle of an object. < 1379680987 132507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's saying that if you're starting out, rust is probably easier to use, but rustc is perfectly acceptable < 1379680997 616504 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1379681001 469970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it points halfway through a byte? < 1379681011 606904 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fizzie: Thanks, that explains it =P < 1379681020 294719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think this is actually legal in C, although not massively useful) < 1379681022 562475 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reason why it's not a keyword? =P < 1379681049 695567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is a keyword :-P < 1379681075 382937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not technically, I don't think. (Keywords are identifiers.) < 1379681084 328453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1379681085 853843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++11 has a 'nullptr' keyword for a null pointer, I think. < 1379681086 21834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close enough < 1379681094 149171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking about that < 1379681099 850130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if it's a keyword or just a templtae < 1379681101 496863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*template < 1379681140 579834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I want to get the C++11 specification to find out, but I think it's a keyword. < 1379681148 317084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'true' and 'false' are keywords there too. < 1379681194 879404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they were defined as 0 and 1 respectively, just to annoy people < 1379681203 72606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they probably weren't < 1379681264 538525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : defines three macros: true, false, and file_no.. I mean, __bool_true_and_false_are_defined. < 1379681287 609803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and "bool" as a macro that expands to "_Bool", forgot that. < 1379681322 725948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, something that came up in discussion with the people here this morning: strictly typed LaTeX < 1379681334 409681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the idea is that it typechecks your math in order to catch typos < 1379681468 474673 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379681631 746729 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1379681729 634142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't __bool_true_and_false_are_defined sort of redundant with true :P < 1379681751 629642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it never hurts to be explicit. < 1379681809 957188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good luck with typechecking _real_ math. < 1379681837 532058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it'd work on category theory < 1379681868 197892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :real math makes C++ overloading look sane, you know. < 1379681904 608752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess you can use it to check whether they're defined in the standard way, rather than in some custom way. < 1379682037 354314 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379682534 709125 :Koen!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379682692 527545 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohayoily < 1379682726 312634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujohayō. < 1379682822 128772 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379683117 139462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1379683185 962057 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get rust-mode working in emacs... < 1379683218 743519 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried adding a mist of water and letting it sit there for a couple of years? < 1379683235 341005 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you turn it off and on again? < 1379683334 591394 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the cable connected? < 1379683453 3609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try pushing Ctrl-Apple-Escape-Meta-Alt-Start-Alt Gr-R ? < 1379683756 263177 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you forgot Hyper. < 1379683762 514396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1379683903 766751 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, all that'll do will bring up the Tetris-Mayan-Calendar-Half-Debug-Mode, but only if he has the scratchpad open. < 1379684021 432428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not know the mayans had a tetris calendar. < 1379684033 127916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever guys < 1379684191 21648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wonders if anyone has tried to adapt a piano keyboard for non-music use
< 1379684230 944447 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1379684231 592454 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1379684235 308799 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried. Once. < 1379684244 192707 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379684251 256824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5928061/using-a-piano-keyboard-as-a-computer-keyboard < 1379684287 731842 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379684295 277684 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a piano keyboard as a computer keyboard sounds like a profoundly bad idea. < 1379684305 267827 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using something similar to a computer keyboard as a piano keyboard is less ridiculous. < 1379684309 504978 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a DDR pad to play Goldeneye < 1379684312 342040 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But with velocity sensitivity) < 1379684312 342129 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah < 1379684321 532681 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :There really is no limit < 1379684334 836413 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find a nice small electric piano. < 1379684364 398366 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a wind "piano" < 1379684379 232972 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like an organ, probably < 1379684385 463933 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But without the pipes < 1379684398 768174 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... are you referring to a melodica? < 1379684419 998706 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1379684430 99085 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was electric < 1379684502 571097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creative sells a computer keyboard where the integrated wrist rest contains a small piano keyboard. < 1379684511 210545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally there's a cover on top of it when typing. < 1379684547 401660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ask.creative.com/wwimages/general/product_guides/prodikeys_dm.jpg <- this thing. < 1379684547 557883 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found mini-keyboards to be surprisingly useless for digital composing. < 1379684719 168971 :updog!~updog@modemcable226.119-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379685559 198192 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why? < 1379685670 942840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, Gregor isn't a midget. < 1379685683 194236 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, when editing the quotes for too long, you realise your brain's been blocking dangerous replies in the background, preserving your sanity. < 1379685698 774840 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why. oh why did you link to shapeshifting cuttlefish erotica. < 1379685724 418011 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asked~ < 1379685737 413926 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell? < 1379685744 106432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :answers that, then. < 1379685782 914059 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: A mix of things... velocity sensitivity is not useful, so their primary "advantage" isn't one, and you need to go trawling between octaves all the time because their range is so small. Add on the fact that your hands will surely be near the computer keyboard to do other things, and I never found myself using it. < 1379685861 341918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could have a physically scrollable mini-keyboard that you could drag left and right to access further octaves. < 1379685870 634147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With some sort of a folding mechanism.) < 1379685939 763199 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just a button press to get to other octaves. < 1379685956 222651 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much less time investment than a retarded let's-suck-Apple's-cock drag maneuver. < 1379686121 810412 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379686684 411737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1379686689 664769 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :265) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 310) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 311) `quote django ​352) django is named a < 1379686707 504880 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so the olsner-giraffe is part of the quote. no line break, then. < 1379686769 439516 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so... I should probably quote you `quoting to keep the trend, is that it? < 1379686792 866613 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, only if olsner comments < 1379686800 365215 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: you'd be piling up on the olsner-cpressey-mnoqy combo. < 1379686837 623655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: and think before you say something djanguesque. the consequences will never be the same. < 1379686881 382405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1379686881 893297 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 days... < 1379686889 722921 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 days until I'm in a far of land < 1379686893 485070 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1379686895 759237 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that far off < 1379686909 196986 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, less than 100 miles away < 1379686921 173728 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 100 * 1.609 < 1379686922 460221 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :160.9 < 1379686939 388219 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. yeah. multiplication by one hundred. you guys didn't see nothing at all. < 1379686970 359227 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 百 * 二十から五 < 1379686971 75098 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Not in scope: `百'Not in scope: `二十から五' < 1379686974 934371 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1379687024 172712 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: eille :p < 1379687217 190385 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379687299 132944 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 'faudrait que tu japonise ton cuttlefish < 1379687342 165406 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: file in an issue on github! :) < 1379687358 7848 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck pectopah < 1379687358 328915 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1379687381 516136 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a congregation point for stupid cuttlefish? < 1379687472 32804 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, there < 1379687473 288814 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1379687475 774688 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/pfcuttle/metasepia ← ISSUES! FILE THEM! ☺ < 1379687493 632374 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put that on Github, but the repo is not quite useful =P < 1379687496 105282 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 Commits: < 1379687502 21258 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Initial" and "Initial Commit" < 1379687515 634442 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source code? Not much, just an "Hello World" < 1379687560 938907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. haven't had time to port the whole stuff to GHC 7.6. < 1379687570 774075 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, all that error upheaval and stuff. < 1379687573 639906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. < 1379687603 61081 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy < 1379687604 877169 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :git add * < 1379687606 292348 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :git commit < 1379687610 136700 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :git push origin master < 1379687612 600955 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE YOU GO < 1379687638 430920 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. not going to make public the old version. < 1379687662 585968 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I see < 1379687720 122199 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. some people in the chännel saw some parts. they can witness that it really shouldn't be made public :p < 1379687738 996522 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aaaaurgh. that missed occasion in Duck.hs where I could have used Alternative... it still burns...) < 1379687778 653655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you seem to have a Deep and Old hatred of Apple Products. < 1379687807 844267 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because their products are awful, the company is awful, and everything they stand for is awful. < 1379687895 797695 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :>okay < 1379688213 706325 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379688619 543376 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379688662 421720 :Koen!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen < 1379688818 891236 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I put an issue on Github < 1379688838 591451 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379688928 750837 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1379688955 187122 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :おはよう！ < 1379689007 38477 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379689466 748862 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I agree with one of kmc's quotes. I feel very strange. < 1379689523 116932 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1379689528 641218 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one would that be? < 1379689556 966801 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote colemak < 1379689558 817123 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :818) colemak is for people who think dvorak is too mainstream < 1379689566 352174 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1379689572 458646 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1379689583 825398 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, un clavier AZERTY en vaut deux < 1379689585 359051 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there < 1379689609 439893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bops Roujo with a Model M keyboard
< 1379689649 974151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379690465 333833 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379690510 306897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379690636 977009 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379690682 150343 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379691539 236409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I found the esolang Urn. I like this too. < 1379692806 173693 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379693289 443408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added some things in list of ideas < 1379693302 551883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge like where the acceleration changes rather than the direction (although you can change the acceleration in any directions). < 1379694066 805053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379694316 751058 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty good idea < 1379694349 8910 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps ^ < v > apply a force < 1379694354 660630 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can change the pointer's mass < 1379694745 680884 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you go too fast special relativity drops in? < 1379695036 719705 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379695149 719645 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379696081 314242 :updog!~updog@192.210.145.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379696379 752701 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379696639 229381 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379696655 215613 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1379697105 140292 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1379698115 642012 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, and the funge is accelerated. < 1379698137 178674 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a bún riêu today. it smells bad, but it tastes good ^^ < 1379698303 637830 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1379698688 119350 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1379699213 934145 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379699357 798426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1379700256 458924 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379700263 2120 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1379700288 452158 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 NICK :Bike < 1379700296 662456 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379700330 937787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new gaming categories are ridiculous. roguelikes are too mainstream, so now there are roguelikelikes. < 1379700363 398297 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1379700364 102008 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"action-adventure" of course was always a sensible categorization < 1379700403 521614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't really understand why action-adventure is different from rpg < 1379700429 730185 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are my adventure point-and-clicks :( < 1379700449 498916 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my earliest memory of gaming genres is asking what "RP" meant in an ESRB rating and being told it stood for Role Playing Game, because in Starfox Adventures you played the role of Fox. < 1379700459 795937 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much been downhill from there < 1379700464 52425 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy... < 1379700466 354083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in action-adventure, you get action and adventure. in rpg you get scantily clad effeminate male protagonists. < 1379700490 575039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the crux really, rpg is hilariously broad < 1379700511 746578 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borderland is an action-adventure FPSRPG < 1379700518 459046 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fun* < 1379700522 256877 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borderlands* < 1379700564 45176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it includes, as a genre, games where the player character is a fixed character independent of player input; and games where the PC has no characterisation whatsoever beyond that imposed on them < 1379700633 490394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see one day a cross between Call of Duty and Katamari. < 1379700671 458286 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost, ALMOST as if humans have a natural tendency to categorize. < 1379700673 389452 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a tragedy. < 1379700700 464204 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely tragic when human function doesn't match our idea of human function. < 1379700706 890815 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :human function is an asshole. < 1379700709 691861 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fact < 1379700728 659626 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: playing with the quotes, I came to create ad hoc categories: people obsessed with sex, and insane people. < 1379700740 166507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes but when you name the category after something that varies wildly within that category... < 1379700764 425448 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People" < 1379700809 867903 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Also, those two aren't mutually exclusive < 1379700847 947111 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/ this seems very zzo38 < 1379700917 593298 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: yes. < 1379700939 311067 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how do you measure zzoness? < 1379700941 433896 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: はい < 1379700974 182336 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a special MSX Computer program i have < 1379701016 140191 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A man who fucks bicycles is on the loose in Sweden." < 1379701017 735605 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: plausible. < 1379701027 106497 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1379701087 391905 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 何 < 1379701228 525556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: 海老。 < 1379701238 889940 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 何 < 1379701254 300909 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shrimp" < 1379701256 570016 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :>okay < 1379701788 201574 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379702335 636017 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Patashu congratulations! you are another member of the Great People Revolutionary Association of People Who Were There, But Are Not < 1379702335 918711 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379702442 658876 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1379702622 384779 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck bonkers < 1379702622 719533 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonkers definition: crazy, mad. < 1379702674 162670 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan lutefisk. in a microwave. you are mad. < 1379702674 307989 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379702698 408780 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan boily: Well yeah. We know that by now. < 1379702698 554014 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379702767 954042 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: oerjan is a fine example of the insane people category. < 1379702776 507687 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, cool < 1379702783 184095 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I fit in? < 1379702848 586409 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeh... the Canadian category? < 1379702998 596028 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot woot < 1379703021 293141 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Canadian, the Sexually Obsessed and the Bat-Shit Cray Cray" < 1379703632 780806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379703637 60608 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1107) \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379703647 142998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1379703649 975348 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1379703655 362808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1379703658 853979 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1379703661 690024 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ok... < 1379703871 61905 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admin abuse! < 1379703874 447361 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admin abuuuuuse! < 1379703874 592911 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379703970 469675 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: yes, but that's besides the point. he's elliott. < 1379704054 137531 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was my feeble attempt at appeasing the authorities, and trying to distract them long enough to slip in another `addquote) < 1379704138 472641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379704215 288600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually said that quote. < 1379704279 669106 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. my next attempt will be subtler, and within the rules. < 1379704295 165093 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric : `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379704297 691324 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go < 1379704344 533626 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: there's still the slight detail that neither you nor I can `addquote it, cause it'll be in poor taste. < 1379704374 767566 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379704375 35634 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379704378 929325 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1107) \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379704386 591543 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your point being? < 1379704403 985727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1379704406 341573 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1379704406 918749 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1379704409 33693 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1379704435 687517 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo `addquote `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379704435 940064 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379704440 159550 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1107) `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. < 1379704440 307467 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a quote, right? < 1379704448 341554 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop. < 1379704458 540475 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, alright... < 1379704509 81369 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1379704509 385023 NAMES :#esoteric < 1379704513 976876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric HackEgo :HackEgo < 1379704515 679110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric metasepia :metasepia < 1379704517 343745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -v :Roujo > 1379704517 366929 NAMES :#esoteric < 1379704518 727423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1379704518 737867 NAMES :#esoteric < 1379704519 952029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1379704540 694817 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :FATALITY < 1379704551 291120 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. I can't talk anymore. < 1379704608 991376 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, do you feel like that fishy lass in the book about the chap < 1379704633 458851 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell < 1379704640 490585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Little Mermaid < 1379704656 7164 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: My SO is called Arielle < 1379704676 765821 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no, I don't believe I do < 1379704680 593604 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :How *did* she feel < 1379704755 897844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1379704768 905841 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning, elliott < 1379704773 220981 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the botspam =/ < 1379704896 101418 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would that be "about the botspam"? < 1379704897 685285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm hardly innocent of botspam myself in my wild and reckless youth :P < 1379704937 749110 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah =P < 1379704944 382448 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not young. Roujo is. < 1379704947 447602 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you like twelve < 1379704957 789338 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more concerned about the ping that came with it =P < 1379704964 572129 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is twenty < 1379704969 415660 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rhymes, so it's true < 1379705003 492448 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does boily rhyme with twenty < 1379705015 358691 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwenty rhymes with twenty < 1379705021 877593 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily does as well < 1379705023 299895 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily rhymes with oily! < 1379705029 841000 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff < 1379705038 921783 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-degree rhymes have feelings! < 1379705044 464726 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: /bwali/. < 1379705054 792178 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a poor rhyme. Sue me. < 1379705057 332971 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please don't) < 1379705061 23629 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, that still doesn't rhyme with twenty! < 1379705091 157197 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It almost rhymes with "call me" < 1379705099 696006 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :call me, boily < 1379705125 479885 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(´･ω･`) < 1379705144 518383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god no < 1379705151 996559 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the fungot. < 1379705152 141980 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but, we are far outnumbered!... ...oh well! come again! these are my friends! this is the masamune! < 1379705167 920658 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379705196 108259 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides behind mnoqy “You won't get me alive!”
< 1379705218 169673 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1379705242 327701 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1379705262 391981 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hi. don't worry, nothing bad will happen to you. < 1379705402 586815 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it REALLY /bwali/ < 1379705424 193929 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember thinking it was /bwali/ but it was /bojli/ (screw proper transcription) < 1379705462 807731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it really is /bwali/. transcribes /wa/. < 1379705621 427465 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: c'est domamge. la façon anglaise à l'air plus mignonne. "boï-lie!" < 1379705699 865181 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: j'aime aussi, vu que ça sonne comme «bouillant», mais j'ai comme un certain attachement sentimental à mon nom de famille :p < 1379705794 876842 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :change de nom de famille EQÇA < 1379705817 269991 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: EQÇA? < 1379705833 321076 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"espère que ça aide" EQÇA < 1379705848 235999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ō_Ō. je l'avais vraiment pas vue venir celle-là... < 1379706328 703223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/we-dont-enable-backdoors-in-our-crypto-products-rsa-tells-customers/ wow these are like the worst denials < 1379706417 49513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"under no circumstances does RSA design or enable any backdoors in our products" < 1379706421 701191 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you miss the earlier explanation that being slow is actually an advantage since it's harder to bruteforce keys < 1379706424 544815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the NSA designs them for us!" < 1379706427 813445 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice shit, imo < 1379706640 437419 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a little tumblr post about how everything is more likely to be intranecine incompetence than a conspiracy. i feel like i wear a next-level tinfoil hat < 1379706710 54949 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some word, for like, a "conspiracy" that isn't really a conspiracy, like, it doesn't involve a lot of people? < 1379706721 513885 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Never blame on malice what that which can be attributed to stupidity. < 1379706726 398209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the NSA can have a "conspiracy" to get RSA keys from lots of companies, but all it takes is one person sending out national security letters < 1379706733 366556 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really a big conspiracy < 1379706741 701411 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :conspiracy = shared breath. spiracy = breath. so, spiracy < 1379706746 405691 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1379706750 770139 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one person breathing < 1379706785 882146 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's usually just called "abuse" or sometimes "corruption" < 1379706794 381650 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a power-mad shitbag" < 1379706800 400259 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno the latin for shitbag sorry < 1379706813 303423 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1379706842 914396 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shit rock" is the closest i got. < 1379706865 499960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :excrementum saccus? < 1379706870 385645 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coprolite < 1379706877 369213 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379706877 514584 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a kind of fossil) < 1379706898 675118 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i guess that's greek < 1379707172 752750 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1379707609 400743 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally found why the phở was correctly typeset. it was because of \usepackage{txfonts}, which overrode \usepackage[sc]{mathpazo}. < 1379708283 846725 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@dhcp-128-189-201-31.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379708498 577585 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379708792 119808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1379708909 161983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm sorry, you clearly have misread the quote, it was precisely about how i refrained from lutefisk because it _cannot_ be microwaved < 1379708950 905568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no contest on the madness part though. < 1379708986 600817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/he-doesnt-juggle-he-doesnt-twist-balloons-into-animal-shapes-he-just-stares-who-is-the-creepy-clown-terrifying-the-people-of-northampton-8819006.html < 1379709075 914958 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream job < 1379709116 494547 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379709120 364744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good URL. Best clown. < 1379709207 775122 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks for the clarification. < 1379709244 708658 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's \LaTeX{} command: \emergencystretch. quite useful for that bunch of unwarranted overfull hboxen! < 1379709559 788172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, un clavier AZERTY en vaut deux <-- wait, keyboard is clavier in french? < 1379709586 525022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:klavér means a large piano, or thereabouts. < 1379709610 308078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well-tempered keyboard < 1379709624 90417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever keyboard. < 1379709633 567716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clavus is latin for key, iirc < 1379709644 784557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo suffix) < 1379709649 980015 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1379709666 273622 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I concur. keyboard is indeed «clavier». < 1379709680 947235 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no. «vier» is not a board.) < 1379709684 734691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/unfortunate-bbc-moustache-for-nigel-farage-8829452.html < 1379709711 280290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :English also calls both keyboards of typing kind and music kind just keyboards, so that's reasonable? < 1379709730 132282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the french word, like the english, can be used both for computer and musical keyboards. < 1379709740 672360 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apologies for my previous tweet. An error of judgement on my behalf." you are incorrect! < 1379709757 243131 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't a ukip guy get in trouble for assault today < 1379709775 562342 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i men hitting someone with a newspaper < 1379709782 813241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume your comment implies that finnish, like norwegian, uses different words. < 1379709809 546874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«MEP Godfrey Bloom, who refers to a room of female delegates as "sluts" and then whacks Channel 4 News's Michael Crick over the head» ah, yes < 1379709843 599165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tastatur and (iirc) klaviatur, respectively < 1379709846 302364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The trouble with Godfrey is that, he is not a racist, he's not an extremist or any of those things and he's not even anti-women, but he has a sort-of rather old fashioned territorial army sense of humour which does not translate very well in modern Britain." he's not racist, just racist < 1379709849 858655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It does. ("näppäimistö" and "koskettimisto".) < 1379709886 724616 :impomatic!~digital_w@200.79.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1379709902 957306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Näppäillä" is approximately "to tap", while "koskettaa" is "to touch". So you tap a computer keyboard, but touch a musical one. < 1379709935 242014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm -imist[oö] means what? < 1379709941 3901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish "tocar el piano"? < 1379709987 222091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, it goes through the noun-ifications "näppäin" 'thing you tap', "kosketin" 'thing you touch' first. < 1379710008 436805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then it's a sort of a "multiple of these things" construction from there. < 1379710077 107935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: technically you're not racist if you hate _everyone_ < 1379710098 139839 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you are racist if you're part of ukip, though < 1379710101 506897 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the -ier suffix in "clavier" comes from this http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-arius so it's like "keyer" < 1379710122 143617 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nontechnically < 1379710133 358846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a slightly specific, it will sound silly if you try applying the construction to arbitrary words. But there are other similar words. < 1379710142 588779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hey you may just think ukip gets closest to your general view on humanity, even if they're too light on the british. < 1379710146 278065 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyinator < 1379710164 904795 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know you're being funny and all but it's hard to laugh at them in this fashion < 1379710179 115543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The library card catalog (if such still existed) is a "kortisto", because it contains many cards ("kortti"), and so on. < 1379710198 473345 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did i mention, i checked out a library book a few days back that had a punchcard in it < 1379710213 235296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: try drawing moustaches on their pictures before laughing. toothbrush style should work well. < 1379710248 104414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: darn i should have checked the second link above first < 1379710254 403652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, I suppose "toimisto" means "office" because many tasks ("toimi", one sense) are performed there? < 1379710259 876496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/50f6f8e4b7307955663b689dce7e5e8a/tumblr_mt3ajafUPK1r7tprao2_r1_1280.jpg behold, the future < 1379710344 153883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1379710351 156366 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is that... < 1379710351 301702 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you are strong of will...! that's the pendant the gurus and miss you. for you, it was a red rock as the chancellor. i can't burn, they take us in. many cloud in sky! we no can call that the chrono trigger. it is r66-y? cool? who knows what would become of my mystics? i must win! < 1379710352 458349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they still use them as punch cards? < 1379710354 258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, you can't say "tuolisto" (a thing of many chairs "tuoli") without it sounding completely ridiculous, but you can say "penkistö" (a thing of many benches "penkki") and it sounds perfectly natural. < 1379710383 997724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzistö < 1379710384 849667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MITSFS has a bunch of punch cards like that, but these days they're used only for scratch paper / decoration < 1379710471 195238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the standard word for a park is "puisto", where "puu" means "a tree". (It's used also if the park in question has no trees in it.) < 1379710534 676515 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379710581 722083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv -f iso-8859-1 < /usr/share/dict/finnish | grep -i 'ist[oö]$' | wc -l => 94. < 1379710605 976619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not all of those are -- at least in any sort of obvious way -- constructed from a base noun.) < 1379710625 323993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is your dictionary in ISO 8859-1 :( < 1379710630 910932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1379710644 520918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what Debian "wfinnish" installs. < 1379710681 398334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Character_Set#History_of_ISO_10646 apparently the original plan for extending UCS-2 beyond 2^16 codepoints was to use ISO 2022 < 1379710698 115457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :puuttaisto < 1379710713 150482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the original plan was even worse than UTF-16 < 1379710716 184389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might technically be in ISO 8859-15. Though there are no characters in it for which that'd make a difference. < 1379710730 994601 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1379710749 484172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are some people still attached to ISO 2022? < 1379710786 721154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think many people are... < 1379710794 243802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still gets used for line-drawing in non-Unicode terminals, at least < 1379710852 835101 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :||| < 1379710858 500756 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be enough for anyone < 1379710876 194241 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, take a -, a _ and a ­¯ as well < 1379710886 193480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and gets used for line-drawing in Unicode terminals when the software in question doesn't care enough to switch) < 1379710890 980180 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even a =, a / and a \ < 1379710898 438104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about + < 1379710902 849751 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too < 1379710908 969293 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think the not-caring part is the most important factor in non-unicodifying the whole world. < 1379710909 176291 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is useful for doing corners < 1379710911 605101 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Plenty to go around < 1379710923 360692 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :#, even < 1379710935 91742 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :! if you want a bit of flair < 1379710949 131426 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :( and ) for squiggles < 1379710954 329673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~~ < 1379710957 401200 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^a-zA-Z0-9] even < 1379710963 674672 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEH < 1379710969 152256 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :? doesn't quite do it for me < 1379710980 377006 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And neither does & < 1379710983 938539 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ~... < 1379710989 934061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is sexy. < 1379710994 99601 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :All night long~~ < 1379710998 891585 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ sweet ~ < 1379711014 63169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/HebS < 1379711023 496489 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(~·~) (is that a valid smiley?) < 1379711031 502002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I've seen a box like that somewhere. < 1379711040 177392 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Probably. < 1379711050 746038 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask boily, the smiley < 1379711052 785582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly with corners made out of Os or something. < 1379711055 516012 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rhymes, so it's true < 1379711078 932975 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(~,·) < 1379711079 78308 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Taneb can't object, either < 1379711080 575291 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there < 1379711111 273028 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(·_·)~ < 1379711111 599772 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379711130 319584 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they don't still use them. the librarian gave me that one since otherwise he was just going to trash it. < 1379711145 856799 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only assume nobody had checked out "Reflections on Muscles" for a while, shocking as that is < 1379711160 856634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: stop rhyming me, you unpoetic fiend! < 1379711221 749296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncle Muscles Hour < 1379711248 157806 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Uncle Muscles < 1379711253 665038 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any group action on a set be used to define an equivalence relation on a set? < 1379711253 810541 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1379711261 373246 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo got kicked by elliott < 1379711263 226355 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the same set twice) < 1379711264 353643 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i thought it would make for a good androphilic porno too < 1379711265 240086 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADMIN ABUUUUUUUUUUSE < 1379711276 515461 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas andrew huxley wasn't that hot when he wrote it < 1379711292 983451 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, wonder if i can find a picture of him young < 1379711297 991795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncle Muscles is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_and_Eric_Awesome_Show,_Great_Job! < 1379711337 173111 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: let me try an experimentale manœuvre... < 1379711337 358637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically a fever dream nightmare version of public access cable < 1379711347 133232 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379711350 328089 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck uncle muscles < 1379711350 699279 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1379711357 400156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: nope. didn't work. < 1379711364 857726 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there are like no pictures of this guy before he was like forty < 1379711387 162814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about half of the actors are internationally known comedians, the other half are random people in LA they hired off craigslist, and the two groups get equal respect and screentime < 1379711402 196892 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Young_Huxley_RN.jpg i guess his gramps was cute, though < 1379711429 860961 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"darwin's bulldog": possibly a bdsm thing? discuss < 1379711601 77492 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379711737 231034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: the obvious way would be an equivalence relation whose classes are the orbits of the group action < 1379711882 873825 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, considering I'm just reading this algebra book I'm not really familiar with all the terminology < 1379711896 649779 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an orbit of a group action? < 1379711929 611250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: just a set of the form { g x | g \in G } for x \in X < 1379711970 118765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, just define directly x ~ y as \exists g \in G : g x = y < 1379712013 548838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then g^-1 y = x, and transitivity is just multiplication < 1379712073 338303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible i'm not using the right terminology, g x is g acting on x. < 1379712091 940743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*terminology for your book < 1379712138 712406 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's sort of what I meant < 1379712219 643120 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it seems like a possibly useful result < 1379712308 753065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now prove that _every_ equivalence relation can be got from a group action >:) < 1379712410 401410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not necessarily a very interesting one, mind you) < 1379712567 650439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: /bwali/. <-- wait make up your mind, is it french or irish < 1379712619 222493 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is pronounced as in French. it is ultimately Irish. it is rael. it is real. ♪ guitar solo ♪ < 1379712673 423285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABl ? < 1379712686 683375 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA! < 1379712688 344453 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1379712844 905841 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0061798 gotta love biocyberneticists < 1379712852 827327 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of jacking into turtle brains, we'll just put blinders on them < 1379712906 403289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fig. 4 is nice. < 1379712996 720337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's not cybernetics, just politics. < 1379713070 569171 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, but "cybernetics" means politics! < 1379713071 631445 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your move < 1379713111 883169 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@dhcp-128-189-201-31.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379713253 873746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll borrow the porn e2 to e4 from the other day. < 1379713268 871973 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379713288 383637 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1379713462 769795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "espère que ça aide" EQÇA <-- can i borrow that for emergencies? < 1379713497 503667 :nooodl!~nooodl@25.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i hereby release these four letters to the public domain. EQÇA. wait aren't you supposed to be kicking the habit < 1379713506 737190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1379713535 94705 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1379713828 372033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1379713832 251340 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379714397 364096 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Oh. OH. Yeah, I remember now - she also lost her voice. God, that took a while < 1379714397 509340 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379714470 860914 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1379715307 460775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, were you guys trying to add latex-formatted quotes to the quotedb or something? < 1379715525 755883 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@dhcp-128-189-201-31.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379715528 781721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was a mispaste. < 1379715807 18311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1379715963 705466 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@dhcp-128-189-201-31.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379717219 318670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you old? < 1379717254 259552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :43. < 1379717325 492359 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :43... < 1379717366 369028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :43......... < 1379717371 251969 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379717411 936379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :43!?!?!? < 1379717479 171929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :43‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1379717518 479273 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did shachaf leave here? < 1379717536 936789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1379717579 243239 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an opposite of a ban we could use for people who try to leave < 1379717659 722556 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379717665 805788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we should have nabbed shachaf before he escaped < 1379717728 159057 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1379717948 372668 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: summon? < 1379717993 196492 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe you're looking for the other kind of esoterica? < 1379718011 647451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ಠ_ಠ < 1379718011 924455 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      ¯|¯⌠ < 1379718012 79154 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       |\| < 1379718029 703705 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you require assistance < 1379718083 215166 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379718109 475654 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am sleep < 1379718321 683933 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379718468 68280 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379718797 366983 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@dhcp-128-189-201-31.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379718830 964498 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379721014 240696 :Nikita!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379721331 642269 :Nikita!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1379721445 50173 :Nikita!cdaf6131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.175.97.49 NICK :nio247 < 1379721481 357942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nio247 < 1379721503 269025 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1379721516 318046 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear hackego got kicked by elliott