< 1379205089 275385 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1379205127 728972 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: In Pascal you choose what an array starts at for every array you make < 1379205162 572138 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can have one array whose indexes go from 3 to 6, and another one whose indexes go from 'c' to 'A' < 1379205179 274550 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, make that 'A' to 'c' < 1379205184 490785 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indexes that start at strings? That's wonderful < 1379205211 429519 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the're just char bytes in disguise, though < 1379205239 911771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: In Pascal it's hard to tell a Char and a single-character String apart < 1379205280 551756 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they have different types and behaviour, the syntax for making one is the same < 1379205319 42339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think arrays can be indexed by strings though, AFAIK they can only be indexed by enums < 1379205353 467484 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't written any Pascal in a while < 1379205408 789787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int array_[16], *array = array_-1; /* "good" old (undefined) C trick for 1-based arrays */ < 1379205481 998678 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The insane things we'll do for arrays of the other style < 1379205493 177841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is actually undefined < 1379205502 65601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Sure it is. < 1379205502 480148 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1379205563 474712 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accessing array[0] would be, but array[1] to array[16] should be defined < 1379205564 396673 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One may only have a pointer be equal to NULL, somewhere within an object, or one past the end of that object. And only one of those is a derefereceable pointer. < 1379205580 383226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "Wwhen an expression that has integer type is -- subtracted from a pointer, -- [things what happen when it points inside the object]; otherwise, the behavior is undefined." < 1379205581 914005 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why one past the end, I know not) < 1379205604 190698 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fair enough < 1379205888 31898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "An important endorsement of widespread practice is the requirement that a pointer can always be incremented to /just past/ the end of an array, with no fear of overflow or wraparound: SOMETYPE array[SPAN]; // ... for (p = &array[0]; p < &array[SPAN]; p++) This stipulation merely requires that every object be followed by one byte whose address is representable. -- In the case of p-1, on the other hand, an entire object /would/ have to be alloca < 1379205916 637982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... /would/ have to be allocated prior to the array of objects that p traverses, so decrement loops that run off the bottom of an array can fail. This restriction allows segmented architectures, for example, to place objects at the start of a range of addressable memory." (C99 rationale) < 1379205927 419719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seems that I don't have splitlong.pl in autoloads.) < 1379206049 589042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Widespread practice" is the reason for many things in the rationale.) < 1379208072 218447 :ottianna!~canaima@186.88.101.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379208144 804991 :ottianna!~canaima@186.88.101.20 PART :#esoteric < 1379208407 909825 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379208634 693970 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, C *is* speced so as to be at least compatible with nearly everything that compiled C at some point. < 1379208650 467117 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus why EBCDIC C exists. < 1379208716 103914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering the other day which extant platforms (if any) don't have twos-complement signed integer overflow < 1379208727 496047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any general purpose CPUs in this category < 1379208734 963763 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a good question. < 1379208742 852175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but DSPs often do saturating arithmetic, I think < 1379208754 372769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also some general purpose CPUs have instructions for saturating arithmetic, as well) < 1379208776 549609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume people program DSPs in C because people program everything in C, but do they have saturating semantics for regular ints and such? < 1379208803 979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? < 1379208814 145943 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say no, but I suspect yes. < 1379208840 181431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heart says no but the mind says yes < 1379209351 10618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379209463 702034 :douglass!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379212223 334089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379213355 57388 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379214320 236717 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379216019 237768 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1379217692 872947 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ab5:99ff:fef3:f256 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379218576 866900 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ab5:99ff:fef3:f256 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1379218802 754116 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379219137 890124 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379219613 142494 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tclsh < 1379219614 608576 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: tclsh: command not found < 1379219785 867375 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, /usr/bin/primes has a bug. < 1379219801 855289 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, it's /usr/games/primes. I should have known. < 1379219812 329009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug does it have? < 1379219814 255839 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379219819 151972 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like /usr/lames/primes < 1379219833 812265 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prints 10000000079. < 1379219867 305526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty bad bug. < 1379219869 598834 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10000000079 `quotRem` 75329 < 1379219871 415729 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (132751,0) < 1379219907 382144 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`primes < 1379219908 651938 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: primes: not found < 1379220285 147521 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Educated persons who read Ken Thompson’s “Reflections on Trusting Trust” throw up their hands in stoic resignation, as if they were confronted with some grim and immutable law of nature. But where is the law of physics which tells us that any computation must be broken up into millions of human-unintelligible instructions before a machine can execute it?" < 1379220289 936149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1379220303 623666 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, fine, get rid of the compiler--- you still need to trust the silicon at some point < 1379220331 441751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law of physics was under the couch the whole time < 1379220360 723354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler-++ < 1379220372 303722 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma compiler- < 1379220377 529089 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler- has 0 karma. < 1379220377 674548 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma compiler- < 1379220377 820117 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler- has a karma of 0 < 1379220402 28324 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your commitment to the karma system is admirable, shachaf, to someone, i'm sure < 1379220419 187634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-admiration is good enough for me < 1379220479 184028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma blah < 1379220479 329498 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah has a karma of 31338 < 1379220973 791860 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it prints numbers whose second smallest positive factor is at least 65539. < 1379220982 907458 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that was prime enough for bsd. < 1379221054 187721 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's prime enough for me most of the time, honestly < 1379221058 600572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: lol. < 1379221117 616788 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may also explain why it is much faster than my version of primes. < 1379222333 48965 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1379222482 873466 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1379222807 880798 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379223181 858237 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1379223883 751223 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@154.5.187.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379223910 858433 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1379224639 643048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/pDxdwpb.jpg < 1379225885 440845 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a pizza place gives me a slice of pizza on the house, is that likely to be just a thing they do for regular customers or might they be assuming stuff about my financial status? < 1379225913 374887 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got some kinda problem with hobos, motherfucker < 1379225988 962291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-140-113.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379226545 20117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Wikipedia always try to enter secure mode? < 1379226598 755510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia: The Skeptic Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience states that some principles of feng shui are "quite rational", while noting that "folk remedies and superstitions... [have been] incorporated into feng shui's eclectic mix". < 1379226825 137459 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1379226914 62540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379227360 240298 :Nets!0e8bc409@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.196.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379227494 958759 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-140-113.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379228380 930538 :Nets!0e8bc409@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.196.9 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1379228437 595570 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1379229691 93388 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1379230606 880863 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379234253 712444 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379234811 746962 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379234895 935613 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379234910 744479 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379235734 649969 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1379236127 112493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1379236208 366520 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379236273 996381 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379236919 36104 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1379237352 254744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell s1 it is. But no rule whatever thing. Interested in BF code? <-- it's code 20 in wolfram's number scheme for _totalistic_ 1d automata (2 colors, size 5 neighborhood). < 1379237352 400199 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379237372 74641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 it is. But no rule whatever thing. Interested in BF code? <-- it's code 20 in wolfram's number scheme for _totalistic_ 1d automata (2 colors, size 5 neighborhood). < 1379237372 220220 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379239666 940072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379240562 915034 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1379240617 733410 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379244708 428816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (??) < 1379244709 420992 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1379244928 923602 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*>) . pure < 1379244929 903096 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1379244936 798907 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*>) < 1379244937 716135 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1379244942 849927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1379244954 475482 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap (<*>) pure < 1379244955 386892 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1379244955 532120 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : a0 = f0 (a0 -> b0) < 1379244955 532283 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: f0 (a0 -> b0) -> f0 a0 < 1379244959 663114 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap (<*>) . pure < 1379244960 572225 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b < 1379244999 305601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That didn't do what I thought it would do < 1379245013 665941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think it would do < 1379245026 973610 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379245055 89344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ap is probably in the -> Monad, unlike the rest < 1379245077 569602 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I did expect ap to be in Reader < 1379245091 97870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap = (<*>) for any sensible Monad/Applicative type < 1379245101 694133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get something that matches (??) type signature pointfree < 1379245124 672984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you should note that it only uses Functor. < 1379245134 941388 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1379245179 646986 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \a b -> fmap ($b) a < 1379245182 728933 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (fmap . flip ($)) < 1379245182 874215 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1379245183 537025 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \a b -> fmap ($b) a < 1379245184 409014 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1379245210 701289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @pl seems still broken. < 1379245247 433413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip $ \b -> fmap ($b) < 1379245248 391350 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1379245269 43925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip (fmap . flip id) < 1379245269 927029 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1379245288 296793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm spoiling again, ain't i < 1379245313 584796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can actually simplify flip id away < 1379245330 991718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that's pretty simple < 1379245412 72971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (??) (fmap . (??) id) < 1379245413 60623 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1379245452 960640 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using ?? to define ?? probably wouldn't work well < 1379245465 671868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1379245745 269958 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let (???) = (???) (fmap . (???) id) in (???) < 1379245746 233405 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b0 = f0 b0 < 1379245746 378684 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: ((f0 (f0 b0) -> f0 b0) -> f0 (f0 b0) -> f0 b0) < 1379245746 378853 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (f0 (f0 b0) -> f0 b0) -> f0 b0 -> b0 < 1379245773 832935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think that's polymorphic recursion < 1379245806 312334 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1379245823 564424 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let (???) = (???) (fmap . (???) id); (???) :: Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b in (???) < 1379245824 758916 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1379245845 98822 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (???) = (???) (fmap . (???) id); (???) :: Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b in (???) div 2 4 < 1379245846 647537 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1379245857 971872 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> div ?? 2 $ 4 < 1379245859 604141 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1379245884 451444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f1 = (??); f2 = (??); f3 = f1 (fmap . f2 id) in (f1, f2, f3) < 1379245885 525168 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => ((a -> a1 -> b1) -> a1 -> a -> b1, ((a -> b) -> a2 -> b2) -> a2 -> (a -> b) -> b2, f (a -> b) -> a -> f b) < 1379245958 24722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f1 f2 -> f1 (fmap . f2 id) < 1379245958 900462 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => ((a -> f a1 -> f b) -> t) -> ((a2 -> a2) -> a -> a1 -> b) -> t < 1379246052 466131 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379246533 665993 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379248299 137128 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379248934 227340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1379249122 424506 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have came to the conclusion I am not very good at the Hello World quiz < 1379249153 211040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not fair... < 1379249627 617414 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what quiz? < 1379250120 446046 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://helloworldquiz.com/ < 1379250137 996774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wine < 1379250143 395677 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :820) i love how allegedly wine can run all of these different programs but the only one i can actually run is starcraft i think wine may secretly be a cleanroom reimplementation of starcraft < 1379250427 383730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379250755 608882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1379250769 886033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1379250775 179338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether or not something works in wine is entirely nondeterministic < 1379250936 268482 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379253116 235322 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should replace gnome with wine, then. < 1379254832 294625 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1379255298 180356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379255563 887447 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379255788 960977 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379256150 659630 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-190-224.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379256191 499541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem figure out how to type ς̂ into LibreOffice. < 1379256197 241514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy-pasting it in drops the hat. < 1379256283 952893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not exactly "drops", since it is still there (backspacing over it takes an extra step), but it's not visible. < 1379256369 346549 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379257338 926370 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379258536 27333 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1379258577 924106 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379259184 553552 :iconmaster_!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379259426 952666 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379260456 786399 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379260483 680990 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1379260484 564238 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1379261205 923335 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379265024 190055 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379265278 251752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379265701 748679 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379267237 494756 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379267821 420473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any humans ever used merge sort when manually sorting some things < 1379267889 922288 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but there are many computer science freshmen < 1379268059 627350 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are given a deck of cards and asked to sort it, maybe using merge sort wouldn't be a bad idea < 1379268089 420785 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than category sort or whatever the standard human sort is < 1379268094 872233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly when sorting things (in a computer or in person) you have more information than just pairwise less-than < 1379268098 816177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use that to be faster < 1379268142 895716 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1379268154 832083 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you would sort a deck of cards using the patience game < 1379268164 267166 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorting a deck of cards is probably O(n) < 1379268164 412653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I end up using selection sort when I sort? < 1379268169 866304 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I remember hearing that was what humans usually use < 1379268180 319277 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, in a hand of cards, moving a card is a lot harder than finding the minimum < 1379268187 412133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can do the latter with your eyes, right? < 1379268193 906065 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if findmin() is super fast but moving is slow, selection is good < 1379268208 191831 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379268222 18758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the sorting algorithm called where you just give up and let it be messy >_> < 1379268227 842062 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I tend to put the current card into the corresponding pile and then just merge all the piles at the end < 1379268229 281357 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 card pickup? XD < 1379268235 228008 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bogosort < 1379268281 924876 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pseudo-sorting algorithm that works best is the one where you riffle the deck ten times to try and make the next game more random < 1379268311 478150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ooh patience sort < 1379268319 451620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use that to implement a diff algorithm < 1379268342 792773 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've never needed to diff two decks of cards... < 1379268344 363613 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shuffling works best when you have a reliable source of randomness < 1379268354 379920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/73318.html < 1379268931 146626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1379269012 908235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have came to the conclusion I am not very good at the Hello World quiz <-- *MWAHAHAHA* < 1379269024 770818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to gloat about the few things he can. < 1379269199 789920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379269312 249631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you are given a deck of cards and asked to sort it, maybe using merge sort wouldn't be a bad idea <-- i think for a deck of cards the obvious manual algorithm is to designate a spot on the table for each card and put it directly there. < 1379269349 370432 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1379269620 574337 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just scan through the deck and convert it to a permutation index in your head < 1379269712 327520 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sorting algorithms can be much improved if you know in advance exactly which values you are sorting < 1379269723 292175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1379269754 341256 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, O(this isn't even really an algorithm) < 1379269785 139947 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the way you described is probably O(n) < 1379269785 951042 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw away the useless unsorted deck and snort out a sorted one from your nose < 1379269998 757924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a trick < 1379270382 293171 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quicksnort" < 1379270468 76311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(balls) < 1379270489 920809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be a Haskell class having (w x -> m x), (w x -> w (w x)), (w (x -> m y) -> w x -> w y)? < 1379270781 109003 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1379271163 199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aem1k.com/world/ < 1379271201 836387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, spot sort would be the fastest < 1379271360 13205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :killall killall& killall killall& killall killall& killall killall& killall killall& killall killall& killall killall& < 1379271433 554860 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, why is it that every so often I search for "CHROMEBOOK TURN OFF CAPS LOCK" < 1379271433 893578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the thing where you're using a solaris computer and you type killall out of habit < 1379271442 790801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: actually no < 1379271467 909070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I learnt UNIX on SunOS < 1379271483 458060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a version of Mozilla so old that it blanked Wikipedia's Talk:Main Page once < 1379271500 671530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know about the thing, but no-one I know has actually done that afaik < 1379271509 58564 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it was only the talk page < 1379271515 765705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yeah < 1379271525 497073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually use to have perms to edit Wikipedia's Main Page < 1379271529 455756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never found a reason to do so < 1379271552 751541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I did start a large campaign to rename it that ultimately ended in failure) < 1379271557 594408 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is like "let's use templates" and also "let's use bots" < 1379271591 123428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the templates were a good idea < 1379271603 24737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots are at least a reasonable idea, although I can see some downsides < 1379271604 412401 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I never use killall, I use pkill instead < 1379271620 943111 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so used to using pkill, sometimes I use pkill on process numbers < 1379271625 188162 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work < 1379271934 856906 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-223-129.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379271936 616870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose might is riptide and undertow / There's no escaping from Ohio < 1379272208 552618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oregon is bad / stop it if you can < 1379272249 802358 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the rhyme < 1379272267 951884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask john linnell < 1379273507 919029 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379274043 705880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought about Newcomb's and I see that statistically speaking, if they know 99% accurately which one you picked, you can calculate the expected value is better with one box. However, statistically speaking is not the only way to speak! < 1379274184 925365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rename it to what? < 1379274204 931213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any reason that storebought mac and cheese would be any less healthy than making pasta and cheese myself? < 1379274262 333649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Perhaps depending how it is make? < 1379274479 351877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, i suspect that in some sense the storebought will be healthier < 1379274495 849806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they invent special fake cheese with more vitamins < 1379274504 412925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the homemade will probably taste better < 1379274526 236865 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the storebought tastes better < 1379274544 608844 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, there's the factor of how much time it takes to make... < 1379274570 240399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't making it right then < 1379274674 780165 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :store mac+cheese is not guaranteed to come from a cow at any point < 1379274675 544051 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379274685 286782 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the kind of property you want < 1379274705 86437 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason why storebought takes better is because they add a bunch of microscopic things your tastebuds like. < 1379274740 827174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The properties I want: Not going to kill me if I eat it every night for dinner, and fast to make. And not too expensive, but if mac and cheese violates the first property, I'm open to more expensive stuff < 1379274788 401946 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff to improve creaminess, even when it gets cold, and just the right amount of congealing. < 1379275024 320684 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would not recommend eating kraft dinner for every dinner < 1379275062 679355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why not? < 1379275108 371382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far from a balanced diet. it's missing a lot of essential shit. it's really not much more than carbs and sodium, and a little fat too if you use whole milk < 1379275175 497372 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pasta and real cheese any better? < 1379275187 321650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is (real) pizza any better? < 1379275211 213933 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza usually has tomatoes, which should at least make scurvy less likely < 1379275261 337444 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I do eat lunch, consisting of usually a hamburger (could be chicken too) < 1379275291 26841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly "eat the same thing every night for dinner" is incompatible with "balanced diet". < 1379275307 408046 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you eat a magic concoction of every possible good thing < 1379275312 535258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can I convince you to see an actual nutritionist? like, it'll be slightly better than #esoteric at the very least. < 1379275313 398200 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in just the right balance < 1379275358 649422 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I spoke to a nutritionist once, I should do that again < 1379275402 62910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: istr there is a couple of healthy foodstuffs, one of which neutralizes the health benefit of the other if you eat/drink them simultaneously. i don't quite remember what they were, though. < 1379275440 910698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, some mineral or something which cannot be absorbed if you have the other thing simultaneously. < 1379275651 417677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting < 1379275764 714494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have vague bells on either calcium, iron or c-vitamins as one of them. < 1379275781 784204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one that cannot be absorbed) < 1379275844 472378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was coffee and calcium < 1379275851 150371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iron and calcium < 1379275856 288072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's iron and calcium < 1379275861 964969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1379275865 98069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember from when we were mocking that soylent idiot < 1379275901 279536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i find google hits on coffee and calcium. but there might be other incompatible things, of course. < 1379275946 672815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: rename it to what? ← Portal:Main < 1379275954 81685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that iron and calcium soylent thing too, though. < 1379275966 759772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a terrible name :P < 1379275974 289596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well it's the correct namespace < 1379275985 755954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Main Page]] should be an encyclopedia article < 1379275994 54895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: he is now waiting for someone to make up something called "Main Page", so they _have_ to move it. < 1379275996 928812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct and user-friendly are frequently at odds < 1379276025 241323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else get an ugly disambiguation notice in the main page < 1379276041 579952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to name my daughter Main Page and hope she gets famous < 1379276049 557290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Main Page is just another name for brainfuck < 1379276230 879840 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1379276234 417890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is Page your real surname < 1379276252 705256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make things easier. < 1379276276 652841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Page sounds like Paige, which is a reasonable girl's name < 1379276307 160850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm afraid Jimmy Page didn't have any kids named Main, so 'oh well' on that front < 1379276430 586541 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a Jimmy somewhere authoring Jimmy's Jimmy Page Page < 1379276437 458494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could start a band called Main Page < 1379276438 695366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well things being in the wrong namespace mean that you need exceptions all over the place < 1379276516 768583 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't having a 'Portal:' namespace create potential conflicts with 3D platforming puzzle games? < 1379276558 353748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, if they made a movie < 1379276563 781763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal: The Movie < 1379276634 977414 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ø_(Disambiguation) < 1379276679 728813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, there are namespace / pagetitle clashes on occasion < 1379276688 362937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most infamous was [[:coolCat]] < 1379276705 492549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which broke the database in random ways for months < 1379276733 189368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually I think they had to modify the database manually to get rid of it < 1379277170 630488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Portal < 1379277310 257362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think there's a user-friendliness issue here; who manually types /Main_Page into their browser? < 1379277337 2528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just get there from http://en.wikipedia.org or more likely from Googling something and later clicking the globe logo < 1379277398 575572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have bookmarks, [[Main Page]] will never point anywhere else < 1379277407 660455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck them and their bookmarks < 1379277418 629372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the problem is existing links < 1379277419 16681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could at least have it be a redirect to Portal:Main < 1379277421 637315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=%s < 1379277435 90177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1379277437 40970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, read the talk page < 1379277440 533719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's what I was suggesting < 1379277460 355493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why does it link to a page that redirects to the Main Page at the top rather than the actual main page...? < 1379277463 820225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I trying to understand Wikipedia?? < 1379277470 174614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whykipedia < 1379277497 820400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because [[Main Page]] is in the wrong namespace for a Wikipedia-internal-specific disambiguation hatnote < 1379277502 337306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you bookmark Wikipedia then you'll end up with it linking to /wiki/Main_Page in like 99.999% of cases < 1379277503 504560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bots would thus get confused < 1379277513 699974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a lot worse than breaking the search shortcut thing < 1379277526 702845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is boring though :V < 1379277598 105276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think you're inadvertently arguing for moving the Main Page, there :) < 1379277663 987315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I also wanted to rename the Main Page to the null string, but apparently the developers were unwilling to make that possible < 1379277993 550755 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379279109 219929 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@154.5.187.193 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379279126 353668 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@154.5.187.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379279499 974594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379279827 564769 :iconmaster_!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379281459 991847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1379281508 729680 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379282360 120472 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-71-171-202.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1379284106 770532 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379284407 19127 :stuntaneous!~stuntane@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:490:7b39:2ce1:3bf1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379285740 753487 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1379286230 740232 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379286496 765967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1379286511 92099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer was off, sorry < 1379286610 413623 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379287536 4673 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are forgiven. < 1379287629 660073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, thank god you're back, there was a major crisis brewing < 1379287794 987654 :stuntaneous!~stuntane@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:490:7b39:2ce1:3bf1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379287920 197564 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379287933 567732 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1379287966 870106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any compiler MML -> .MOD? < 1379288062 78810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What kind of crisis is that? < 1379288075 281459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the details aren't important now < 1379288451 180933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crisis on infinite earths < 1379288624 650305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of thing, yes < 1379288805 355039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Well this Earth is finite so we are fine. < 1379288966 515460 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@154.5.187.193 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds