< 1379117498 211574 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379117899 877177 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1379117901 745635 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1379118001 431159 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379118197 593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379118506 594282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now instruction of Uselessness RPG 1 includes limit commands. They are: mangan, haneman, baiman, sanbaiman, yakuman. < 1379118615 782236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1379118618 311053 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Roujo Sgeo SgeoBot SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1379118631 957269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many more characters does `list have left anyway < 1379118641 585125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :many < 1379118673 312838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the maximum message lengt < 1379118673 980192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1379118738 379492 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many < 1379118918 868286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the both of you < 1379119446 228138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379124240 693746 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told that Matlab code is like C. It does not seem very much like C. < 1379124293 498225 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays starting at 1 < 1379124294 948206 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1379124300 146860 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1379124357 821465 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far differences include: no variable declarations, no types, vectored assignment, newline instead of semicolon, comment character different... < 1379124400 538287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: like lua!! < 1379124410 815657 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab is just like lua < 1379124423 962204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great way to ruin any language that you're afraid might be at risk of being well-liked < 1379124429 375385 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and procedural code at the top level. < 1379124466 912613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory dijkstra: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html < 1379124502 892723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra's smugness is so adorable < 1379124545 515196 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume this involves BASIC being compared to lua < 1379124558 839070 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, is this really a thing he wrote. < 1379124560 164381 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a dork. < 1379124563 806905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt he would acknowledge lua even if it existed at the time < 1379124579 721842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd08xx/EWD831.PDF for the full experience < 1379124645 732520 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, mesa. haven't heard of that for a while. < 1379124650 546583 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not reading more djistkra!! < 1379124672 706983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same dijkstra. just with more handwriting. < 1379124784 795917 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha the conclusion < 1379124786 107395 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an ass < 1379124952 229912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC is not bad for some things. < 1379125125 346634 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Smalltalk make more sense than Lua as a language to start indexing at 1, considering Lua was supposed to play nice with C and Smalltalk had other goals? < 1379125173 601316 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other goals like ??not following the superior convention?? < 1379125192 638643 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you have it sgeo, you're objectively wrong. sorry about that < 1379125197 543776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goals that didn't especially involve playing nice with C < 1379125261 577866 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, no matter how good/bad indexing at 1 is, is it worse in Lua than it is in Smalltalk? < 1379125300 82160 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the ol' shittometer... yes, it is worse in lua. < 1379125344 312699 :douglass!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1379126267 303971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In QBASIC you can start arrays with whatever integer number you want to. < 1379126503 416335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you can have some arrays starting at zero, and some starting at one; sometimes it is useful to have starting with other numbers too. < 1379126525 705820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is too bad that it doesn't allow RETURN to a label inside of a subroutine; you can use that only outside of a subroutine. < 1379127466 122037 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1379127526 492796 :Guest18414!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-afzzmuyidpcamzqq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1379127641 603958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do often use GOSUB inside of a SUB or FUNCTION routine though; you can share the scope of the subroutine it is inside of, and/or make fall-through labels. < 1379128110 592236 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1379128178 823911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1379131002 198606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYSP doesn't compile in my computer; I get error message about not "dlfcn.h", implicit declaration of "dlsym" and "dlopen", unrecognized "-rdynamic", etc < 1379131235 690935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the dynamic stuff I can remove, but still it says implicit declaration of "sbrk"; what is "sbrk"? < 1379131458 7227 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk or "set break" basically lets you expand the heap. < 1379131465 817193 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used by some mallocs. < 1379131508 888502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is defining its own malloc function < 1379131538 510597 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, that'd be where it's used. < 1379131543 559289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to implement garbage collection. < 1379131575 672545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, but what is done with it if the program is using such thing but if it won't work? < 1379131596 179113 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1379131611 130461 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk is POSIX. < 1379131616 148394 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly I'm not sure why. < 1379131701 348659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly is it doing, and can it be imitated by another way if necessary? < 1379131777 314676 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You certainly have sbrk. < 1379131806 665057 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. Windows. < 1379131825 799641 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how'd you implement that on Windows... < 1379131852 514395 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. In traditional Unix the heap is done via a "program break". Basically, a pointer to the end of heap. Everything below that is heap you can access. < 1379131861 568591 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk moves that pointer. < 1379131930 870230 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be unsurprised to find that LYSP could just use malloc instead. < 1379131945 381221 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say for certain, but s/sbrk/malloc/ *ought* to work? < 1379132112 592310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1379132125 428112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the type is correct at least < 1379132133 748772 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends pretty heavily on what properties of sbrk they rely upon. < 1379132163 95934 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For simple uses the two are identical except that sbrk means you can't use libc functions anymore. < 1379132184 422803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does look like used in a way that malloc might work. < 1379132211 524719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What properties would there be? < 1379132239 707710 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pointer returned by sbrk is always contiguous with the previous one. < 1379132265 721208 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk(0) returns the last pointer it returned. < 1379132296 935743 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk with a negative number moves the program break *back*, basically freeing some number of bytes. < 1379132333 241429 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this is to say, malloc is not always a drop-in replacement for sbrk, but it might be in this case. < 1379132339 525829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From your description it seems it would be contiguous, but the program doesn't seem to use negative numbers, or zero; it only uses sbrk once, and uses as a pointer to a structure. < 1379132349 770892 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only once? < 1379132365 999018 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the program being wrong then. malloc. < 1379132371 222124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just once. < 1379132392 737105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does check if the return value is negative one, though. < 1379132398 302607 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1379132414 146283 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk returns -1 on failure, rather than NULL. < 1379132430 794824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the program it seems if malloc is put there, then it should be checking if NULL. < 1379132446 400999 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, from how you've described it that is the case. < 1379133680 405988 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1379133988 520722 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tag: The Power of Paint: The power of crashing on what is probably the final level and save games don't exist. < 1379134323 330292 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the genesis store its sprites in a sort of linked list < 1379134433 301037 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare i ask how you make a "sort of" linked list < 1379134475 660741 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in VRAM < 1379134540 887820 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a list of 64/80/128??? sprites in the VRAM < 1379134550 102810 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts drawing sprite 0 < 1379134570 781906 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that sprite has a "link" to next sprite to draw in its info < 1379134604 424644 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :traversal of that sprite info proceeds until a sprite links back to sprite 0 < 1379134620 876715 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link field is 7 bits < 1379134640 774397 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there's a maximum of 64 or 80 sprites depending on the video mode < 1379134661 483285 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(80 sprites in 320x240 mode, 64 sprites in 256x240 mode) < 1379134667 979518 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hecks < 1379134840 650484 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sprites are drawn in front to back order so changing how your sprites are linked will change which ones come up on top < 1379134920 736687 :audioPhil_!~quassel@lak-63-149.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379135030 732004 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379135177 706586 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think it goes through the whole linked list of sprites on each scanline < 1379136072 741567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1379137957 709775 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1379137964 406516 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379137980 216837 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1379138903 858162 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1379144358 117054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1379144647 555342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1379144652 895144 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1379145175 419816 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379145196 742713 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379145309 282270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 918 < 1379145311 72910 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 918: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1379145334 59369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(repeated for the idlers) < 1379145334 620528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you already `olist? < 1379145339 310005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1379145348 650395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one seemed to be present. < 1379145436 461361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sort of made it less satisfying. < 1379145506 730287 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379145548 964995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily since when underload is monoidal? <-- well, it is. < 1379145549 110509 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379145645 706682 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379145858 463521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen bike < 1379145862 998582 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-09-14 04:57:47: what the hecks < 1379145903 926027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good closing words. < 1379146220 180665 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379146811 766225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell olsner so what's the origin of @ as a silencing/error-suppressing prefix? <-- i vaguely recall MSDOS batch language had it. @ECHO OFF was the command to silence following commands automatically. < 1379146811 911758 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379146875 942908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell olsner What it silenced (both @ and the ECHO OFF) iirc was the automatical printing of the command run < 1379146876 126334 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379146950 850621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell olsner no idea if MSDOS was first. < 1379146950 996378 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379150503 417363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1379150609 122054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, @echo off, I remember that < 1379150668 98472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, it is impossible that anyone else in the channel could be old enough. you must be mistaken. < 1379150688 433012 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1379150972 419098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that btiggins guy. he's, like, precambrian. from when they called it the precambrian. < 1379150999 906877 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit funny how dos seems sooo old, but unix doesn't even though it's actually much older < 1379151210 357746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it seems the word precambrian is still used. and windows 8's terminal window still supports @echo off . < 1379151233 207451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to disable the prompting. < 1379151279 165012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, the hadean is the best eon name. < 1379151285 725063 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379151325 471601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Precambrian accounts for 88% of geologic time. < 1379151422 321602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but there was no one around who cared < 1379151592 778387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make is older than MS-DOS. Not that I know how early in the history of Make the @ prefix appeared. < 1379152048 484051 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this @ prefix discussion was also happening 11 hours ago when i quit < 1379152072 154512 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining it has been going on all that time, heatedly < 1379152104 45497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i'm afraid i just restarted it by logreading < 1379152137 749143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodl < 1379152140 327565 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1379152552 192027 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379152668 624212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very first version of make appears to have @ too < 1379152808 787780 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379153000 730031 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379153967 293518 :douglass!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1379156762 276601 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379156819 921249 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379157070 588323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Fnörðurinn < 1379159396 875767 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379159491 950852 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379160236 671077 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379160640 364446 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379160873 450263 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1379161121 38867 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1379162011 186335 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1379162077 921912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379162694 479358 :audioPhil_!~quassel@lak-63-149.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1379162717 730764 :audioPhil!~quassel@lak-63-149.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379162717 876281 :audioPhil!~quassel@lak-63-149.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de QUIT :Changing host < 1379162717 876421 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379163259 297896 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1379163853 137898 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1379163874 746325 :audioPhil!~quassel@lak-63-149.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1379163874 891983 :audioPhil!~quassel@lak-63-149.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de QUIT :Changing host < 1379163874 892114 :audioPhil!~quassel@unaffiliated/audiophil1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379164414 886759 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379164994 990954 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379165527 124819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have (1) new google document waiting" "click here" "http://www.banyuak.ac.th/googledoc.php" yeaaah. < 1379165553 808991 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1379165716 545379 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, .ac.th is "academic" but banyuak doesn't seem to be a thing < 1379165798 10888 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 404, nice scam < 1379170046 992776 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379170059 691912 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy for Israel & usa ??? < 1379170059 837821 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet??? < 1379170059 837987 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟ < 1379170059 838106 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy for Israel & usa ??? < 1379170059 838209 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet??? < 1379170059 983608 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟ < 1379170059 983774 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy for Israel & usa ??? < 1379170060 918497 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet??? < 1379170061 63915 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟ < 1379170061 880081 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy for Israel & usa ??? < 1379170062 25569 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet??? < 1379170062 926221 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟ < 1379170063 693564 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1379170067 771080 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1379170107 185375 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379170113 412016 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1379170136 418465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck < 1379170141 780116 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379170145 663841 :hsdiuf8whfkjahfw!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 NICK :twye76qercsahdfc < 1379170145 809483 :twye76qercsahdfc!~hvbeuveig@197.123.34.70 QUIT :Client Quit < 1379170157 347893 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen this bot before < 1379170167 191223 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good < 1379170253 86234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the timestamps messed up for anyone else?? < 1379170257 622694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1379170258 351304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:47:39 هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟ < 1379170261 593499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1379170269 311718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's putty's fault or something < 1379170270 396168 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that fucks up a bunch of mac clients < 1379170275 259807 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should avoid it < 1379170283 934863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is there that unicode stuff in there? < 1379170287 534269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's invisible here :/ < 1379170287 859659 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1379170294 808727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1379170304 625525 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to affect anyone in here < 1379170309 978154 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pointing it out :) < 1379170470 938836 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379170880 271160 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hsdiuf8whfkjahfw yes < 1379170880 454618 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1379171097 567429 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your client can't grok right-to-left Unicode, too fucking bad. < 1379171111 853355 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this "you should avoid it" crap. < 1379171115 856844 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get a non-shit client. < 1379171147 237686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there was some OS X/iOS bug where it crashes the client recently. < 1379171160 973514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a client-specific bug, as far as I understand) < 1379171165 605896 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the more reason to use it. < 1379171193 989587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, well, I got bored of being an asshole to people on the internet for no reason. < 1379171218 489645 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/for no reason/because they use the wrong OS/ :) < 1379171364 178851 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1379171725 673936 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1379171736 241 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything, OSX has the best text rendering and internationalization support of any OS < 1379171741 165768 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has a bug, which has now been fixed < 1379171753 673657 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not everyone has upgraded, and assholes go from channel to channel trying to crash people < 1379172081 847237 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the text say? < 1379172101 988865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arabic i mean. < 1379174984 555188 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379175016 708381 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379175730 408271 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Yeah, it definitely is true that OS X has the best text rendering and i18n. < 1379175791 2208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379176077 471051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say the fully feature-enabled freetype has better text rendering < 1379176099 634761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people complain that fonts look fat on OS X < 1379177222 920490 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379178030 923736 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379180117 129980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program your client to filter Arabic texts or disable Unicode support, if necessary < 1379180180 457828 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t stand OSX’s blurry style of text rendering. It’s fine when we finally have 300 DPI screens, but you just have to use hinting with 100 DPI screens for it not to be blurry. < 1379180200 386473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you use screen fonts instead? < 1379180354 700791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use antialiased text on my computer < 1379181003 605095 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proper subpixel antialiasing makes text rendering *sharper* than what 1-bit bitmaps can achieve on LCDs. < 1379181035 976614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can make it sharper < 1379181078 121077 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX doesn't antialias text < 1379181132 697739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is subpixel antialiasing it can make it sharper < 1379181340 188745 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Windows is horribly blurry as well < 1379181361 45984 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I like the way fonts look on Linux < 1379181647 80211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason such bugs in Arabic rendering is introduced is because Unicode is stupid < 1379182240 468189 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1379182252 357641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379182385 126467 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone willing to help me Verilog? < 1379182424 55770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing with Verilog though? < 1379182484 405664 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to write a module that converts a 4-bit bus into an 8-bit ssd bus. < 1379182525 197172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what a ssd bus is. < 1379182575 695100 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379182583 981036 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven-segment display. it doesn't really matter, the point is i'm trying to write a map. < 1379182589 578059 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1379182592 77634 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1379182604 590910 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I apparently can't have a case on top level or something? I don't even know. < 1379182620 458766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know much of Verilog, but I think there is a "primitive" block for defining custom primitive gates? < 1379182641 839590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can call it inside of a module like you can call other modules < 1379182652 55110 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, putting an always removed those errors... < 1379182679 911291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "always" is for defining clock edge events, I think < 1379182755 121299 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having an empty sensitivity block makes it independent of any edge. < 1379182820 103289 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it can only drive registers though. I'll see. < 1379182841 389784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere about "primitive" block; did you try that? < 1379182852 739177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: basically there are two sorts of commands in VHDL/Verilog < 1379182889 472727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones that run continuously (like assign), and ones that only run in processes (like if) < 1379182897 92267 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1379182898 141683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an always with no sensitivity is typically a bad thing, it only runs once < 1379182904 524668 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shit. < 1379182908 869658 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i do this then? < 1379182910 996095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("always" was probably an unfortunate choice of name) < 1379182927 715676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't be using case, you should be using the appropriate keyword for continuous running < 1379182934 220829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in VHDL it's when, but I'm not sure what it is in Verilog < 1379182945 688024 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want this module (trying out modularity here) to output 11000000 given 0000, 11111001 given 0001, that sort of thing < 1379182964 586975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all constant but not very arithmetic < 1379182966 566194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just define each bit as the logic gates individually I suppose < 1379182981 116142 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh, i'd really rather not, but i could. < 1379182991 463761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in VHDL that's Q <= '11000000' when A = '0000' else '11111001' when A = '0001' else … < 1379182996 42179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with better indentation < 1379183002 627261 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i can do that for now though :( < 1379183009 167083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that doesn't fit well on IRC) < 1379183019 508975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, you define an array, then index the array < 1379183032 972748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had different ideas of what I wanted in hardware programming language, so I called it "HWPL" < 1379183045 984727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know of "primitive" block in Verilog? Would that help? < 1379183046 344717 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just mail my ta, he knows verilog pretty well < 1379183110 13465 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could define a macro that converts the mapping into logic assignments, except the macros suck ass < 1379183142 9340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really the clearest way to do it is the array method, I think, but I have no idea what that looks like in Verilog < 1379183160 686447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the when/else chain is entirely reasonable and will synthesize correctly, though < 1379183172 111194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the commands almost certainly exist in Verilog, I just don't know what they're called < 1379183193 85613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see why you wouldn't just use a module < 1379183198 816685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you that annoyed at having to give it a name? < 1379183250 919521 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1379183472 256957 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, i guess i'll write something in another language to make verilog code for me. again. < 1379184715 615519 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist [s] < 1379184718 129771 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist [s]: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1379184936 280022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That isn't what I meant < 1379185037 518305 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379185147 111530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1379185177 239218 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1379185828 764817 :douglass!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1379185863 192327 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1379186106 191267 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefull: Yeah, FreeType’s full hinting does the right thing for today’s low-resolution displays. ClearType™ is worse and the rendering in OSX is even worse. < 1379186327 147473 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1379186588 996545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379187006 170191 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379187768 970083 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always found FreeType's default hinting annoyingly spindly. < 1379187912 343828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think better would be to use screen fonts (fix pitch low resolution bitmap fonts); if you require to use same font for screen and print, then you can prerender them into a bitmap font instead, using an external program. < 1379188228 713067 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter's no different from just using a font rendering library... < 1379188354 560719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think prerendering them would be better though, so the program can expect use with screen fonts instead, and you can change their prerendering externally too < 1379188387 286595 :benludi!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379188388 242038 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1379188412 386448 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am really, really bad at verilog < 1379188436 431199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't think I am that good at it either really < 1379188475 482467 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're better at it than me. Because I don't know anything about Verilog. < 1379188495 86435 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, why are you saying this thing that you have said < 1379188538 817745 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"segs0[7] in unit module_test is connected to the following multiple drivers" like, what < 1379188599 225151 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have segs0 being the target of an instantiated module, and that module jjust assigns [7] to 1! < 1379188671 827086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do it in "HWPL" by making a "ROM" block, but that is only ideas I write about, not a programming language with existing implementation < 1379188749 789308 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my stupid ide does shit like say that the module is empty instead of that it's full of errors < 1379188749 934443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1379188781 769950 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379188781 915114 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate this ide and compiler, also < 1379188787 606137 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whine whine whine < 1379188857 33802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ide and compiler are you using? Can you use a better one? < 1379188869 895161 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't. < 1379188958 554666 :benludi!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1379189003 772471 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does weird shit like check syntax when i save a file. < 1379189494 818394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "multiple drivers" mean you connected it to two things < 1379189498 242050 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379189499 244999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's only supposed to be connected to one < 1379189506 3975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think i figured it out. < 1379189510 154929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem isn't with the thing you meant to connect it to < 1379189515 322953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's with the thing you didn't mean to connect it to < 1379189521 601538 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had wire [7:0] segs0 = 8'b0; but i didn't need to initialize it. i was thinking of it like a reg. < 1379189580 702916 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379189639 117312 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about Verilog? < 1379189644 573163 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1379189673 669644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant wires are typically not what you meant to do < 1379189676 569095 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's working now, in which case i'll have done my first particularly substantial verilog design < 1379189693 662628 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, i see that now. i had it as a reg before and tried to have a lower module output to it, which is not how things work < 1379189713 515589 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking too soon, ayep < 1379189744 220975 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-140-113.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379189748 351023 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Verilog even esoteric? < 1379189757 397396 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just asking < 1379189757 780963 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it got all the way to bitgen before telling me i forgot to drive an output < 1379189763 563995 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's very esoteric < 1379189775 822907 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-140-113.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god someone sent me memoserv mesages < 1379189852 182222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's because not driving an output is entirely legit < 1379189854 736269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a little pointless < 1379189864 125556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most FPGAs are entirely capable of just not connecting the output < 1379189876 453796 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mine, apparently? < 1379189897 425466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in that case that's why it didn't notice until bitgen < 1379189909 335138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous stages didn't know what sort of FPGA you were using < 1379189912 697220 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, ok < 1379190068 659198 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, it's actually working. :D < 1379190085 952835 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, mostly. < 1379190776 986019 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i am awesome. bow before me. < 1379191034 118797 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bowing down* < 1379191043 546150 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight < 1379191073 918028 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i wrote a thing that displays the value input on the switches as hex on the display) < 1379191129 191514 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky is the limit for me, clearly. < 1379191206 682043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1379191228 121141 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone programming False here? < 1379191339 766262 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... Brainfuck then? -_- < 1379191348 504125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s1: I haven't programmed either for a while < 1379191355 662280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from some quick BF in response to a question earlier < 1379191359 33593 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome s1 < 1379191361 232619 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :s1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1379191361 856457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've programmed False ever, actually < 1379191373 161682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I'm disappointed at the lack of esodiscussion here < 1379191379 10286 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're off topic a lot of the time, just so you know, not that we don't still talk about esolangs sometimes. i'm sure ais can- yep there we go < 1379191398 464903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I left the channel because of the lack of offtopic discussion < 1379191434 532751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, lack of ontopic < 1379191443 213715 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I hope it isn't regarded with dislike if I share some BF. < 1379191457 478735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, nobody can reasonably dislike that (unless it's really bad BF) < 1379191463 253465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they'll mostly do is just ignore it :( < 1379191468 967954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than talk about it like good little #esoteric denziens < 1379191474 339702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at it, though < 1379191476 230538 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::☺) < 1379191484 165707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, BF is easier to write than to read < 1379191510 385968 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that < 1379191540 358024 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmed Wolframs universe yesterday. (It's called that, right?) Anyone interested? < 1379191556 979379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you mean by that < 1379191574 749941 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "rule [number]" CA things? < 1379191627 163637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines are a better fit for BF than cellular automata < 1379191639 142060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering how easy the 2,3 thing would be to make in BF < 1379191759 740686 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really rule [number] < 1379191788 570432 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379191802 959980 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry, didn't find english version: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/EIDU-9_Wolframs_1-dimensionales_Universum.jpg < 1379191824 972166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cellular automaton < 1379191873 718233 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379191926 312001 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. But no rule whatever thing. Interested in BF code? < 1379191985 976176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth posting, I think < 1379191992 572557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though probably nobody would read it < 1379191999 749988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worth linking it from the wiki, then probably someone would read it < 1379192007 482668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not immediately, but a few months from now < 1379192113 194781 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11001067/Wolframuniversum.b < 1379192129 827291 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changed the comments to english in last minute, hope grammar is good ;) < 1379192196 54571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's really readable for BF < 1379192243 662232 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww what a compliment thx ^^ < 1379192310 158196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty nice and simple way to do an if statement < 1379192321 368359 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what line? < 1379192322 816946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think I could probably improve my a>b again based on it < 1379192331 587766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18, 24 < 1379192339 123657 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one moment i have a BF file < 1379192382 61269 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for AB < 1379192409 562078 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the runtime is bad. I wanted to use as few cells as possible < 1379192475 648700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++>+++<[->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<<]>>>++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1379192478 309330 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1379192483 198188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++>+++++<[->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<<]>>>++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1379192483 766550 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1379192488 364417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, screwed it up as usual < 1379192493 827415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never get it right the first time :( < 1379192540 392618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, same mistake as last time, too :) < 1379192550 3066 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about? < 1379192551 160968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++>+++++<[->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<-<]>>>++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1379192558 331288 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1379192562 269178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1379192607 207346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++>+++++<[->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<<-<]>>>++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1379192607 740513 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@ < 1379192614 530122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++>+++<[->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<<-<]>>>++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1379192615 19294 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1379192617 205977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1379192620 624375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++>++++<[->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<<-<]>>>++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1379192621 160847 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@ < 1379192627 266106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++>++++++<[->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<<-<]>>>++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1379192627 700074 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1379192644 144951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that's simpler than my last one or not < 1379192673 250040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, [->>+<[->[-]>+<<]>[->>+<<]>[-<<+>>]<<-<] is the less than < 1379192708 183091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1379192743 188570 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379192818 983444 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I suggest that I try to understand your code, while you look at mine. < 1379192820 230015 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11001067/COMP%20kleiner%20gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fer%20gleich.b < 1379192894 358224 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume your last code was the most up to date. < 1379192947 10632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just different tests of the same program < 1379192949 680664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm putting it on the wiki ow < 1379192952 146185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1379193017 882439 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, my code only uses THREE cells to calculate AB. But as I said, the runtime is horrific. < 1379193304 307004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms#z_.3D_x_.E2.89.A5_y < 1379193307 826827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that explanation is clearer < 1379193309 704250 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379193348 350256 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably ought to fix that typo < 1379193362 961655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which typo? < 1379193368 121409 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lopo' for 'loop' < 1379193400 765118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1379194067 963249 :nooodl!~nooodl@239.182-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1379194254 765947 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this magic that google.com is doing on Google Chrome where the search field is the address bar and there's no search field on the page? < 1379194356 911764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to teach people to not have to go to Google to search, I guess < 1379194364 181593 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic i'm not seeing < 1379194369 814311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vertical integration is the best isn't it < 1379194611 25028 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was confused when it happened at first =P < 1379194633 923191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not happening for me < 1379194672 743752 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1379194680 900137 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only seems to happen when searching from address bar for me < 1379194683 472603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to be using Google™ brand Google Chrome™? < 1379194717 370192 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know, but that's what I'm using < 1379194763 312872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict you have something turned on in chrome://flags. < 1379194768 352248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are using a non-stable version < 1379194788 292742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?q=Test&oq=test&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l2j0l3.1442j0&sourceid=chrome&espv=2&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8 < 1379194791 315725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's extremely confusing that Firefox has a thing called "chrome" (and even a chrome:// protocol, I think) that has nothing to do with (and predates) Google Chrome < 1379194802 428626 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The espv=2 seems to be important to triggering it < 1379194804 871898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, "Enable Instant Extended API" < 1379194828 927843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that URL briefly shows without the search field for me and then it appears when it fully loads < 1379194854 601638 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have that option, it's set to default, but now at least I know what it's called < 1379194863 216013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that does sound like an apt description < 1379194903 693554 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this some publically described API? I .. hope so, but < 1379194958 584837 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be that it's not-existant on the Linux version < 1379195034 771770 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Search-Experiment-Removes-the-Search-Box-in-Chrome-Screenshots-332953.shtml < 1379195043 128268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Windows. < 1379195049 668152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame < 1379195085 203669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the alternative is OS X. < 1379195087 792424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The company has said that it will open up the APIs to other search providers though." < 1379195101 451941 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the new browser wars? < 1379195114 73791 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unstandard APIs that are only supported by one browser at first? < 1379195133 13282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm sorry, have you done any web dev in the past like decade < 1379195143 260004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always shit. < 1379195147 486845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never changes. < 1379195154 898682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no need to put a time limit qualifier on it at all, really < 1379195178 604067 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to continue doing it, even knowing how much pain it's caused < 1379195202 707962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of capitalism. < 1379195262 473528 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1379195386 16239 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the API documented anywhere? :/ < 1379195411 153518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :web dev is way nicer now than a decade ago < 1379195422 988207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you were like 8 years old a decade ago < 1379195433 676385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 8 years old and doing web dev actually < 1379195437 892780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1379195438 818467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1379195441 292120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes there is a new browser war of the same sort as the old one with IE < 1379195455 145620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intro to The Tangled Web says as much < 1379195462 682544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Firefox and Chrome are competing to see who can screw up faster? < 1379195477 472427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just nonsense to suggest browsers ever stopped implementing stuff on their own without asking, except insofar as they stopped implementing stuff at all. < 1379195504 113901 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1379195512 731043 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-140-113.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379195515 885705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1379195756 697614 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a Best Viewed With ViolaWWW button < 1379195792 83675 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, the ide doesn't even do Home right. this is ridiculous < 1379195905 285990 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1379195906 948929 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1379195989 179758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1379195997 745320 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bais < 1379196378 193629 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1379196439 725768 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1379196690 844436 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the conversation come back to brainfuck again after I left? < 1379196752 808351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs in the topic (i say this because i forget) < 1379197252 879015 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379197450 592806 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1379197901 162445 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379198194 694844 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1379198283 130672 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1379198426 738742 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1379198437 838653 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379198618 926960 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1379198635 943508 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On a distant planet called Dakkam, a scientist named Hektu comes to believe that the sun going nova would destroy his world. In a last effort to save his family, he and his wife, Soja, have an infant son named Wundarr, whom they plan to save from their world's destruction. They place him aboard a ship that is able to maintain his life support as long as necessary, and then launch him into outer space. Hektu and Soja later make flight and are < 1379198642 171885 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :captured and executed by the Internal Security Force to prevent them from alarming the populace. It is later found out that Hektu's apocalyptic prediction is incorrect, and that he sent his son away for nothing." < 1379198948 900627 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1379199039 876322 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379200132 271625 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1379200303 73465 :s1!57b9b80d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.185.184.13 QUIT :Client Quit < 1379200432 402264 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1379200448 922719 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1379200575 536323 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still love the fact that in Perl you could change a variable to change what arrays started at < 1379200577 355970 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how bad it turned out in practice < 1379200604 974789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QBASIC can also change what array start at by the OPTION BASE command, but only 0 or 1 < 1379200622 489181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define individual arrays to start at whatever you want, though, and that can be useful < 1379200791 995595 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1379200892 719429 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume many programs were sabotoged by setting $[ to things like 43979 < 1379201012 665598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is