< 1378425964 393179 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378426180 781406 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i seem to be obsessed with tcl again why oh why < 1378426238 432208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take some heroin to mask it < 1378426310 329094 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378426338 817182 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`olist 917 blah blah i'm sure someone olisted first < 1378426396 562763 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be becoming a zero-width space conservationist, I only used one < 1378426480 536870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Phantom_Hoover wtf happens here http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/130904.html < 1378426480 682067 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378426486 360074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure he'll know. < 1378426568 604762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look man i'm not that scottish < 1378426749 227937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover < 1378426751 215842 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist. < 1378426761 500913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says _true_ Scotsman, Phantom_Hoover < 1378426777 372571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so glad that the nvidia binary OpenGL drivers for Linux make heavy use of self modifying code < 1378426791 598292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, this is getting intractible < 1378426871 703975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ouch < 1378426879 581460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they use it for? < 1378426880 866488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ I think && and || are just special cased in the language, as in most languages < 1378426881 11546 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378426885 293465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't even know... < 1378426916 932475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tales of flaco just keep getting taller. < 1378426937 553539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(||);; looks like an emoticon < 1378426982 74493 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, if I might ask where did this come up o_O < 1378427001 188157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the self modifying code? < 1378427014 821559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out why my program is crashing in the opengl library < 1378427022 621988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1378427036 269800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer turns out to be, calling OpenGL functions from a thread other than the one which set up OpenGL, which is a pretty normal answer really) < 1378427037 333590 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1378427037 485284 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't it just be like, a JIT of some sort, like a shader compiler? < 1378427041 952602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the getting there is pretty weird) < 1378427051 545967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1378427091 878499 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`pbflist because Phantom_Hoover said to < 1378427100 55565 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not because of actual pbf < 1378427134 8361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THWARTED AGAIN < 1378427139 85891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twiddles moustache furiously < 1378427143 213024 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1378427167 845309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: someone should remove Sgeo's zero-width spaces before he hurts someone < 1378427175 509266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1378427227 218808 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `pbflist for accuracy < 1378427243 617863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noöne likes a smartass Sgeo < 1378427952 641350 :douglass!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378428185 151446 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378428615 848771 :dan200!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378428619 345253 :dan200!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1378428626 808602 :dan200!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo is still here < 1378428744 268061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to be separated from him *whistles innocently* < 1378428861 989334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why you're right, it _is_ addictive! < 1378429058 305436 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1378429858 860733 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378430449 468236 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378430666 780558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378431576 945744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Nthern is back on the wiki. < 1378431593 594288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only other person who managed to write something in ///, as i recall :) < 1378431706 167637 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378431725 290627 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378431775 583125 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Heh =P < 1378432419 777775 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1378432424 399084 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1378432495 395349 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :thzbai < 1378432497 762101 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." < 1378432572 169793 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that out of order execution is just a really elaborate prefetch scheme < 1378434346 257707 :Poolala!cf0692e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.146.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378434584 105261 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378434827 627839 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is there any point to out of order execution, other than dealing with unoptimized code and trying to hide cache misses? < 1378434968 755564 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and having too few registers on x86) < 1378435341 818078 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words < 1378435362 815489 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had an optimal architecture and no cache misses, would out-of-order be useless? < 1378435508 992503 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those reasonable assumptions, though < 1378435567 653419 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for optimal architecture IMHO even the stupid traditional 32 register MIPS would fit < 1378435593 533752 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it probably can't do 10 instructions per cycle, but no architecture can do that < 1378435677 925287 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, no cache misses/"unoptimized code" < 1378435706 984235 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cache misses obviously isn't very "real world" :3 < 1378435713 652183 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1378435740 64430 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unoptimized code I'm not too sure about < 1378435743 353216 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean isn't there a longstanding debate or whatever about whether compilers should be expected to make good code versus the processor working things out < 1378435760 975179 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1378435777 993139 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect most compilers nowaday turn everything into SSA form < 1378435791 105675 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, heh. < 1378435804 564189 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can do at least a minimum amount of reordering < 1378435847 856020 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "most compliers" I really mean msvc, llvm and gcc < 1378435906 420450 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect compilers to be able to do enough reordering to keep a 10-issue cpu busy < 1378435915 395394 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a 2 or 3 issue cpu sounds reasonable < 1378435937 886651 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378436129 952635 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, multiplications are high latency so they require a lot of shuffling, but usually they happen in stuff like dsp and gfx code that's usually math heavy anyways < 1378436266 314751 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :load/store/jump code is mostly low latency ops, though it has less math ops that you can shuffle around... then again if it has unavoidable dependency chains, it's going to have unavoidable dependency chains on a pentium 2 too < 1378436315 280250 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like file compression and string parsing < 1378437052 312721 :itsy!~digital_w@200.79.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378437157 709155 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1378438337 124145 :Poolala!cf0692e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.146.230 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1378438811 100120 :dan200!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1378439345 662780 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1378439507 85307 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCL sometimes reminds me of functional reactive programming in... some ways < 1378439522 838771 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, has a nice ability to set something like that up < 1378439705 431242 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I should implement Deadfish in Tcl < 1378439714 801769 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an utterly crazy idea of how to implement it < 1378440228 50958 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ok, not C++ templates crazy < 1378440490 685681 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish... is not very well specified, is it. The page implies that something is a vagriety of the C implementation, then says to check against its math results to see that that thing is there < 1378440507 214495 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a joke < 1378440939 859578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the joke is that we follow the C implementation faithfully especially in those aspects which show its author was not very good at programming. < 1378440964 57799 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1378440971 321623 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look at the C impl. then < 1378441093 859186 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378441181 497601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i consider the python one within acceptable variation, it was written by the same author. < 1378441418 714707 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like my code in generally isn't generally much cleaner < 1378441462 890942 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378441479 729573 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed at the apl implementation, but i feel it could probably be optimized < 1378441491 617496 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Except I'd try to avoid recursive loops in non-TCOed languages < 1378441587 58115 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that -1 check is useless, isn't it. < 1378441603 854602 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unsigned int x; /* make a positive integer and call it x */" man, this is some good stuff. < 1378441604 296131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1378441612 917571 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're useless, sgeo < 1378441619 20380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1378441620 473510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike........ < 1378441631 286147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you doing the thing where you insult people < 1378441645 455711 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an unsigned int, does C convert the -1 to MAXINT or whatever -1 underflows into? < 1378441650 659821 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :congenital condition. < 1378441668 465516 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :congenial condition also < 1378441687 983807 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good scanf. < 1378441731 1487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well decrementing 0 gives 0, is what we've used. i assume we tried it out by running the C implementation at some point. < 1378441757 526031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1378441758 428255 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk http://ideone.com/uQDIhD < 1378441759 803927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this code < 1378441789 568743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact bitsize isn't among the things we keep slavishly to. (some of my esolang implementations use unary.) < 1378441849 720627 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it die? Does scanf not stop and wait for input? < 1378441871 87628 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe IdeOne is just broken < 1378441991 748229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: don't you give all input up front in IdeOne? < 1378442007 203225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, yes the interpreter has no eof checking. < 1378442017 864282 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378442034 104721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it shouldn't print the 0 ... < 1378442062 656249 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I wanted to do was compile i d s and o into ;i; ;d; ;s; ;o; and eval it < 1378442064 500915 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1378442085 994743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my screen is full of > stuff which does not look promising. < 1378442121 938942 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on IdeOne? Or actually compiling locally? < 1378442137 196907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on IdeOne. < 1378442154 815564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like IdeoNe < 1378442250 472711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: locally on nvg it keeps prompting after any number of ^D (for eof) < 1378442258 811538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nvg server < 1378442264 79999 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvg server? < 1378442291 744806 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nordic Veteran Gamers < 1378442293 549030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linux server i'm running irssi from, and email < 1378442303 33854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, NettVerksGruppa < 1378442321 2114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old university computer club. < 1378442362 879813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my webpage is there. and i already had deadfish downloaded. < 1378442858 670384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn it wasn't the correct version, it has a much weirder scanf, no wonder it behaved weirdly. < 1378442881 577130 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O ? < 1378442925 10921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my downloaded version has scanf("%c%*[^\n]%*1[\n]",&usrinput); < 1378442929 841213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that does. < 1378443023 818869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some attempt at reading only one command per line, i guess. (and it doesn't work :P) < 1378443089 915459 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378443646 540386 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1378444502 303908 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378444587 839502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1378445376 75908 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378445754 34655 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for those monads which are implementable even if bind can call its continuation at most 1 time? < 1378445763 39526 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any particular continuation it's given < 1378445776 434966 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Maybe, Identity, and not List < 1378446367 825224 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Reddit sometimes http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1ltegu/97_polled_online_want_under_god_removed_from/ < 1378446497 355527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fashionable thing is to hate reddit all the time < 1378448342 146466 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1378448355 640283 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378448383 861389 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378449442 130092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You know the whole (s,) -| (s ->) adjunction business and the way you get State from that? < 1378449481 413403 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. I’m not familiar with the -| symbol either, or with the word adjunction for that matter. :-P < 1378449501 322813 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this context) < 1378449540 782614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in Haskell in particular, an adjunction is a relationship between two functors F and G, written F -| G, such that (F a -> b) ~~ (a -> G b) < 1378449599 790098 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any non-boring monads that meet the criterion I mentioned? < 1378449619 556183 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of bind only being able to use the callback it's given at most once? < 1378449660 222191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It has lots of good properties, including that G . F is a monad and F . G is a comonad. < 1378449829 642443 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see. < 1378449873 899552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It comes with two operations, eta :: a -> G (F a) and eps :: F (G a) -> a < 1378449875 134410 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give an example of an adjunction other than (s,) -| (s ->)? < 1378449892 226765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the laws fmap eps . eta = id, and eps . fmap eta = id < 1378449919 551478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Unfortunately it's hard in Haskell. :-( < 1378449939 140221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most interesting adjunctions involve functors that aren't endofunctors. < 1378449977 832608 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you give an example of one of those? < 1378450033 228606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do you know abou the category Mon of monoids/monoid homomorphisms? < 1378450103 664397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you know about categories and functors in general?) < 1378450155 978152 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. I have Awodey’s book in my reading queue. < 1378450167 183271 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Spivak’s < 1378450190 783949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spivak? < 1378450203 412696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, _Category Theory for Scientists_? < 1378450233 313493 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1378450267 64628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I don't know much about it. < 1378450283 184575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, categories are so easy. < 1378450341 992764 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m sure i’ll love them. < 1378450382 305785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know Category in Haskell, right? It's just that. < 1378450411 400907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378450495 396683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you know what a functor is between categories? < 1378450647 675642 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It’s not immediately obvious to me how to make that happen with the functor familiar to me (which is, i guess, really an endofunctor). < 1378450711 478711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so a category is a thing with a bunch of arrows, which can be composed. < 1378450747 631262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To figure out which arrows can be composed, you have the objects. You can only compose two arrows if their objects match. < 1378450769 392270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So each arrow has a "type".) < 1378450782 225902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are also identity arrows, one for each object. < 1378450840 91371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A functor F from C to D maps each arrow "a" in C to an arrow "F a" in D, such that F id = id, and F f . F g = F (f . g) < 1378450846 390700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally we write F as fmap in Haskell. < 1378450905 244211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also maps objects, but once you've specified how you're mapping the arrows, you can figure out the object mapping from that. < 1378450912 546392 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok < 1378450921 58185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm being confusing, maybe because it's midnight? < 1378450940 618531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see how this corresponds to the regular Haskell Functor? < 1378450964 176292 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the “endo” mean that C = D? < 1378450967 774294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1378451000 942658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It maps Haskell arrows to Haskell arrows -- e.g. ord :: Char -> Int to fmap ord :: F Char -> F Int -- with the laws I mentioned above. < 1378451022 194361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i see it. What’s an example of C,D where C ≠ D? < 1378451024 852045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also maps objects to objects, e.g. the type Char to the type F Char. < 1378451039 384753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should've had a bunch more examples of categories first. < 1378451123 518916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm spamming the channel... < 1378451151 777424 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn’t seem like there’s other discussion going on at the moment. < 1378451166 593012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's because of me! < 1378451172 542669 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1378451178 283571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so let's go back to categories and give some examples. < 1378451203 731090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe a proper definition? Did we ever have one? < 1378451297 293168 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think so, apart from “like Data.Category.Category” < 1378451330 251699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I meant Control.Category, although data-category's definition is generally much better. < 1378451389 412790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's start with something else. You know what a monoid is, right? A collection of things, which can be "multiplied" with each other, such that multiplication is associative and has an identity? < 1378451416 922997 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, i meant Control.Category.Category < 1378451430 230977 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378451455 317693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. ℕ with + and 0, ℕ with * and 1, String with (++) and "", and so on. < 1378451465 620742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so you know how matrices work, too, right? < 1378451491 576980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe not. I certainly don't.) < 1378451523 500337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is falling asleep. < 1378451531 784920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sleep < 1378451534 819637 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. I always have to look up things like how to calculate a determinant etc. < 1378451536 832019 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep is for the weak. < 1378451547 461294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the reminder, HackEgo < 1378451551 969882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But e.g. matrix multiplication? < 1378451556 584273 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378451580 289290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrices and matrix multiplication are funny because they're almost like a monoid but not quite. < 1378451597 577298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can't multiply any two matrices, you can only do it if they match. < 1378451622 420492 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378451633 574153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have (*) :: M i j -> M j k -> M i k, and you have id :: M i i for any i. < 1378451661 886143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see you haven't been keeping up with the news: https://collectivelyunconscious.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/matrix-dimensions-reach-agreement-at-peace-summit/ < 1378451691 577557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's how categories work in general. You have a multiplication operation but it only works for things that match. < 1378451707 810127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh no! < 1378451711 405972 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, matrices are a nice example. < 1378451735 998445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for a category C, you have, uh... < 1378451757 721924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A collection of objects < 1378451813 602770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A collection of arrows, where each arrow is has a domain and codomain (source and taget) object, written as e.g. f : A -> B < 1378451870 429955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A composition operation, (.), which can compose two matching arrows. I.e. for any two arrows f : A -> B, g : B -> C, you can write g . f : A -> C < 1378451928 250893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For every object A, you have an identity arrow, id : A -> A, such that f . id = f, id . f = f < 1378451940 93786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes you specify which object you're talking about by writing e.g. id_A) < 1378451952 18430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And composition is associative, so (f . g) . h = f . (g . h) < 1378451959 77665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does all that make sense? < 1378452077 670931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr < 1378452077 904575 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splice the Mainbrace! < 1378452082 43442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr < 1378452082 200325 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr! < 1378452533 532402 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was thinking about whether matrix transposition would be a valid functor from M i j to M j i, but that would violate the F f . F g = F (f . g) rule. (The rule for this would be F f . F g = F (g . f), i think.) < 1378452550 445049 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, makes sense. < 1378452629 302323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that kind of functor exists too, and it even turns out to be the same kind of functor. < 1378452666 774936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we should have some examples. < 1378452710 425070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's the matrix example. < 1378452723 77640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a monoid is the same thing as a category with one object. Do you see why? < 1378452837 561003 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single object is the type of the monoid? < 1378452875 181220 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) :: a -> a -> a always < 1378452887 214444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1378452895 378553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "the type of the monoid" < 1378452902 299476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The object can be anything. < 1378452940 133576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each arrow corresponds to an element of the monoid. The object is just there so the arrows can have a domain/codomain. < 1378452944 464472 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah… Still stuck in the familiar thinking. :-) < 1378452986 958562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another popular simple example is a partially-ordered set. You know those? < 1378453287 816298 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading the Wikipedia page… Something with (≤) :: a -> a -> Maybe Bool? < 1378453314 243000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a relation, but you can think of it that way. < 1378453315 911093 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378453357 732047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A poset is a set along with a relation ≤, with the three properties listed in that page you're probably reading right now. < 1378453642 183610 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, i guess i get it. The set of subsets ordered by inclusion is a good example. < 1378453684 148129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1378453736 216248 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural numbers ordered by divisibility, too. < 1378453766 229162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can look at any poset as a category, where the objects are the elements of the set, and you have an arrow from A to B iff A ≤ B < 1378453779 133469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you have no arrows. < 1378453790 738150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that you have at most one arrow between any two objects this way. < 1378453883 37189 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it the identity arrow corresponds to reflexivity and composition corresponds to transitivity? < 1378453896 468126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1378453922 616652 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, i guess i get it. < 1378453957 757784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's no category axiom that corresponds to antisymmetry, because it's still a category even without that.) < 1378453984 449855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess you could say that a poset is skeletal or something? Doesn't matter.) < 1378453998 438592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1378454010 386438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So another category is one where the arrows are functions and the objects are sets. < 1378454014 933924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Haskell types, for that matter. < 1378454040 21399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We usually pretend that Haskell is total when we say that, to make life easy.) < 1378454112 952812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you have lots of other categories for lots of other things you might want to talk about. < 1378454134 242787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. you have a category where the objects are monoids and the arrows are monoid homomorphisms. < 1378454141 341171 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1378454155 594342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A monoid homomorphism is a function f between monoids where f(1) = 1 and f(a)*f(b) = f(a*b).) < 1378454159 39013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That might look familiar!) < 1378454312 764052 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes notes < 1378454374 814455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also very small categories, like the category 0 with no objects and no arrows, the category 1 with one object and one arrow, and various other ones. < 1378454467 195438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for any category, there's its "opposite category". < 1378454477 323730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty much the same thing except the arrows are backwards. < 1378454515 476879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the category Hask^op, an arrow from A to B is a Haskell function from B to A. < 1378454617 309148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the definition of functor make sense with all of these? < 1378454633 357027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would a functor between two posets be? < 1378454716 596949 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378454957 641971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are also a bunch of boring ways to make categories, like a category where the only arrows that exist are identity arrows, but who cares about those.) < 1378455021 762514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm going to sleep. < 1378455058 667303 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished writing notes about everything up to now. Good night, and thanks a lot. I’ll think about the question about a functor between two posets. < 1378455104 106841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, if you're here you can probably figure it out. < 1378455139 269284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just give the definition of a functor, and replace "an arrow from A to B" with "we know that A ≤ B". < 1378455159 60162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't care *which* arrow because there's at most one.) < 1378455246 246872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, sleep. < 1378455289 189805 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m a bit too tired to concentrate as well, i’ll watch a TV show episode or two with a friend and get some sleep. I’ll continue from this point at a later time. < 1378457376 574503 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378458559 975808 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1378460771 84204 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378460860 686067 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378460953 444318 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378461020 457184 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378461077 196888 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378464613 690670 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1378464926 224751 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1378465190 875825 :everquester!~ff0x@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378465315 75020 :everquester!~ff0x@101.255.24.142 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378465337 639664 :everquester!~ff0x@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378468244 716344 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378468360 74666 :everquester!~ff0x@101.255.24.142 QUIT : < 1378468540 226309 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:ed55:d929:142d:aea9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378468687 104929 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378468760 634290 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378468872 623157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good diæ̈resis morning! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/IMAG0024.jpg < 1378468888 853252 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(picture taken Wednesday around 6pm UTC-4) < 1378468935 41014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett no idea. what are you referring to? < 1378468935 186162 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378469274 953290 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good räksmörgås < 1378469447 227574 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck räksmörgås < 1378469447 614844 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1378469771 615395 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378469866 983779 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a swedish word that happens to contain all of our letters with diacritics < 1378469878 903354 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes used to test for encoding issues < 1378469967 111061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :öh. < 1378470085 864374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Now you've made me hungry. < 1378470121 105714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got two wisdom teeth extracted the other day, eating has been a bit tricky lately.) < 1378470341 220429 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers being on narcotics when he had his teeth disappear into a dentist < 1378470347 368925 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378470690 973156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which one did you have removed? < 1378470816 266889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both left ones. < 1378470832 97056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had both right ones done before the summer. < 1378470989 236956 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird pattern, but it sounds more pragmatic than "top two" then "bottom two". < 1378471009 119166 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top procedure is like just about anything else. a little hurt, but nothing more. < 1378471018 875010 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the bottom two... ooooooh... *shudders* < 1378471067 791389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea was that I'd still have one side of the mouth to chew with. < 1378471089 57753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the other side's so swollen I'd just be biting my cheek the whole time. But I guess it'll subside. < 1378471393 852583 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mom's blender was my best friend during those days. liquefied puréed veggies in the morning, at lunch, at night. room temperature. < 1378471492 899162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might have been a good idea. < 1378472125 315248 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378473930 687212 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning, folks < 1378473938 586076 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Donut-day < 1378473942 663294 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :All rejoice < 1378473965 666401 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1378474019 685762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378474360 691552 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378474375 841030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nearest Tim is 650 m away. I can donut. all is not lost! < 1378474544 92423 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1378474556 520564 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the Donut Bringer at my workplace < 1378474629 445148 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken as a true Canadian. < 1378474718 353652 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378474824 587766 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378475018 309511 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378475266 744405 :nooodl!~nooodl@225.175-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1378475638 868031 :nooodl!~nooodl@225.175-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1378475674 189950 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1378475845 691594 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1378475987 100184 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND HERE WE GO AGAIN < 1378476006 64247 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada Cup 2013, "I can't maintain a connection to save my life" edition < 1378476057 239735 :Solain!4d7d83fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.125.131.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378476063 415855 :Solain!4d7d83fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.125.131.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1378476073 932449 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378476081 709029 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1378476178 795759 :Solain!4d7d83fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.125.131.254 QUIT :Client Quit < 1378476246 158797 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two minutes < 1378476251 614859 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has to be some kind of record < 1378476274 567033 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked away from the window for *two* minutes < 1378476283 141341 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he came and went during that time < 1378476295 278382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it was two minutes and two seconds < 1378476313 670484 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, probably three for me < 1378476314 844749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear some amateur radio enthusiasts can achieve subsecond connections with only 500 mW rigs. < 1378476472 186627 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine walking up to your friends or calling on a phone and saying "hello" and they just ignore you and you wait for two whole minutes and they don't even acknowledge your presence < 1378476557 346419 :itsy!~digital_w@200.79.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Mnoqy :-) < 1378476560 648511 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1378476575 816517 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine putting up a note on a billboard at a workplace saying "hello" and people keep working for two whole minutes and they don't even acknowledge your presence =P < 1378476602 267759 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he had pinged me, I'd have answered quickly < 1378476604 586010 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1378476609 589208 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hi mnoqy < 1378476619 902495 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the joke is that thinking about irc like that is horribly wrong but solain seems to do it anyway < 1378476628 86105 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep seeing overlap in channels I'm in on different networks. It's fun. < 1378476634 410130 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :analphabillboardetism is a major problem, rampant in developed countries. < 1378476639 568664 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: Most IRC newbies are like that. < 1378476686 96112 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, I came to the dedicated help channel for a project, and there are like 15 ops in here that can probably help me with my easily googlable problem, can anyone help me?" < 1378476691 973935 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waits 30 seconds* < 1378476695 611010 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quits* < 1378476844 313483 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, "hey, I have this problem" *32 seconds* "solved it myself. kthxbye!" < 1378476997 39240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there's an insult before the quit. < 1378477010 591097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "well, this was a waste of time *quits*". < 1378477665 189716 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. The old ragequit variation: cause rage, then quit < 1378478646 1784 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1378478998 572590 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378479125 758754 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1378481480 687891 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like norwegian music. http://youtu.be/PaEnaoydUUo?list=PLfNe3nGQENtP3VCn1t1pybju9ffSPBohU < 1378481811 711247 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And norwegian music love you~~ < 1378481858 542971 :itsy!~digital_w@200.79.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the second time someone's mentioned Ylvis today. I hadn't heard of them before... < 1378481912 648775 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway always happen at least twice. < 1378481930 227162 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote norway always happen at least twice. < 1378481932 789731 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378481935 68208 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1378481936 790417 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp < 1378481940 579188 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoteadd norway always happen at least twice. < 1378481941 912663 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quoteadd: not found < 1378481945 478152 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL CRAP < 1378481954 538673 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain This is broken, please fix < 1378481955 857838 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378481969 859021 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: have you tried quoting it off and on again? < 1378481975 338117 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1378481977 149889 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killed it < 1378481979 691309 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to do CPR < 1378481982 609805 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a bot, so yeah < 1378482298 224599 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a shirt with “once, twice, thrice, fouice...” just to disgust English majors who pass by. < 1378482324 493092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, wander around McGill. < 1378482404 735501 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh =P < 1378482419 477461 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiice < 1378482422 779224 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :siice < 1378482447 233762 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not dead by then, you should probably become a survivorman or something < 1378482744 521351 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to get swallowed by a random pothole than to get beaten to death by a university student here... < 1378482838 492934 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're pro-tuition raise < 1378482839 563999 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1378483030 265153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you get 728ed, or smashed by a gratteux de guitare. if I'm about to go out, then I'll do it with style and total grammar disregard. < 1378483074 762519 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(728: matricule of a brutish policewoman who got embroiled in unlawful beatings and stuff.) < 1378483090 374721 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(«gratteux de guitare»: one of the many epithets she attributed to the protesting students.) < 1378483124 694583 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(total grammar disregard: me I'm agree with grammar of angliche.) < 1378483402 425252 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378483442 205751 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys, I remember meeting some brilliant folks in here once. Maybe you can help. I have a very specific problem and am looking for a solution that might already exist < 1378483456 767490 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm searching for a solution that can do sliding-window searches on collections of ordered data. Think if you've got fingerprints for each frame of a movie: f(1), f(2)... f(n) and you intercepted a subclip from that movie and have it's finger prints s(1), s(2)...s(n) < 1378483472 800567 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I could do this in any language, really, but I need something that will index and do a fuzzy search < 1378483486 687901 :k_k_k!~kcd@118.99.76.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378483493 452733 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou needed a specific comparison function to compare one fingerprint to another < 1378483517 321893 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that function is essentially a euclidean distance function with a tolerance threshold < 1378483542 872067 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know of any language that would be primo for that, OR, do you know of an esoteric data storage system for such a sliding-window database < 1378484046 190686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1378484083 706664 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378484205 133115 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1378484422 354149 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378484424 208232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378484436 307015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you forgot to stealth your ops < 1378484450 810322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I've been creating an esolang :) < 1378484459 186871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably my second-best esolang ever, after Underload < 1378484464 97158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that exists, I mean < 1378484490 913124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't get a reply on my offer to kick someone! < 1378484493 45028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1378484493 135235 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378484507 219402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's easy to forget, I've been yelled at in other channels for that :) < 1378484549 176168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, I don't have an impl or any programs yet; I was considering holding off on releasing it until I had some < 1378484586 728919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like? < 1378484603 46851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Snowflake is a reversible, self-modifying, data-parallel esoteric programming language created by User:ais523 in 2013." < 1378484607 823733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first line of the wiki article I'm writing atm < 1378484621 608219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the "self-modifying" is more literal than normal < 1378484626 131084 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-71-246-238-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1378484631 465303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :executing Snowflake programs actually alters the interpreter < 1378484684 858847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also makes it impossible to compile; if you had a compiler, you could compile a program, then delete the compiler, then executing the program would leave you with no implementation to modify) < 1378484701 718193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you're still insane. < 1378484725 271590 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378484735 332215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1378484775 243267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point during its development, a hello world program would likely need strong AI < 1378484778 262419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I toned it down a bit < 1378484812 320513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely independent of all the self-modification stuff, it also has a fun set of primitives < 1378484815 183187 :zt!~chatzilla@p4FC13D76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1378484833 821458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stack-based, but doesn't really have any of the usual primitives < 1378484839 484765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost has () from Underload, except sometimes not < 1378484845 808907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has rotate < 1378484854 189809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's about it if you wanted something sane < 1378484871 641951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it also almost has cons < 1378484921 999439 :zt!~chatzilla@p4FC13D76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1378485025 732865 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378485142 72996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I also had another language idea < 1378485168 733844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it looks for the eight most commonly occurring repeated patterns in the source, and does some statistical analysis < 1378485178 978511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then interprets them as BF instructions and execute < 1378485193 668124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd save everyone time if we had an interp for all these pointless BF derivatives preëmptively < 1378485216 393568 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1378485270 964142 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why did people yell at you because you had your op-hat on? < 1378485275 506973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you could get like 99% accuracy just by printing "Hello world" if the program couldn't be recognised < 1378485287 787435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: it's not so much yelling, it's more just reminding people to take it off again < 1378485296 813810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want everything you say to be perceived as official < 1378485305 774329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like trying to play Agora entirely on a-b, but worse < 1378485310 93041 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right < 1378485354 539955 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Levels the talking field, true < 1378485394 70126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing is that people joining a channel with visible ops typically assume that there's a troll attack going on /right now/ < 1378485396 330079 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to talking in channels where everyone is +o, so I didn't get why =P < 1378485400 618670 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1378485434 97580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unlikely to happen here; elliott has little tolerance for known troublemakers, and unknown troublemakers are normally much too fun to toy with to actually use op powers on them < 1378485453 674989 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1378485494 216371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, re the topic: "peöple"? < 1378485502 225707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pronounce that but it doesn't seem to be a real word < 1378485532 975672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is there any particular reason why LaTeX? < 1378485541 281185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least, LaTeX styling and fonts) < 1378485665 869740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, someone's just added a bunch of diaereses even where they don't apply :( < 1378485702 417612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I dislike the way backquote is rendered < 1378485740 598411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who should I send these comments to, anyway? I instantly assumed Gregor was responsible, but browsing through the reasons behind this, I can't think of any reason why he would be < 1378485750 733886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the fact that it's on dropbox not codu implies it's likely someone else) < 1378485781 851927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The wisdom PDF is boily's work, unless I misremember. < 1378485783 602562 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alexandre Boily, i'd guess < 1378485787 104349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1378485793 518712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ^ < 1378485836 252139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it didn't render the mojibake properly < 1378485838 949784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mojibake < 1378485841 345298 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :mojibake _ÌÌÌ°_ÌÌ̦̻ͭͭͬÌÍÌÌÍ¡_ͧÍÌÍÌ­_ÍÍÍͧÍÌÌ̯Í̬̬̦̯_ÌÌÌͨÌÌ´Í < 1378485855 448199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes it did, the entry is either broken or not really like any mojibake I've ever seen < 1378485880 983668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The backtick is very confusing, yes, I think someone already complained about it? < 1378485895 583682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1378485902 915825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1378485952 112638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm disappointed that nobody's talking about Snowflake :( < 1378486000 93775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't tell us you finished the article! < 1378486010 375086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1378486012 184908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, it's huge again. < 1378486020 334596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a complex language < 1378486025 512798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus why I don't have an interp yet < 1378486038 940613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if you write a Snowflake interp, I strongly recommend keeping a backup < 1378486063 988063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, `? ursala is great < 1378486065 580903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ursala < 1378486067 740494 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-, < 1378486072 422901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: polarised nested lists is an oklopolism, by the way < 1378486080 90503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good to hear it < 1378486093 507071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had a beautiful language based around them that I forget the details of < 1378486103 192679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably wasn't Snowflake < 1378486109 258174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a natural way to do reversibility < 1378486125 854096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can use a polarity flip to easily handle error conditions in a reversible way < 1378486145 190911 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain The backtick doesn't render right < 1378486146 780685 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378486164 89508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nop-based, I think < 1378486175 832233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it used the syntax <...> for positive lists and >...< for negative ones < 1378486179 158543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using whitespace to disambiguate < 1378486182 569442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, this PDF has the QDB appended < 1378486186 666518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to stop reading for safety reasons < 1378486189 979689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say <>< <>< <>> ><> < 1378486193 287479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I laughed so much I had trouble breathing < 1378486200 713656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how very INTERcAL < 1378486202 271474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*INTERCAL < 1378486246 301924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain missing line break before quote 81!! < 1378486247 690778 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378486332 820088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain also 95 and probably others... < 1378486334 96718 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378486354 232406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did anyone see this year's ICFP contest? I saw it late so didn't participate, but it reminded me a lot of oklopol-Clue < 1378486371 227485 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The "guess the function" one? < 1378486375 272880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1378486386 308767 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it sounded interesting < 1378486389 366485 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378486409 468883 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, is there any particular reason why LaTeX? < 1378486419 100063 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because boily really likes LaTeX < 1378486422 126949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1378486428 795708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX makes pretty much everything look academic < 1378486437 459210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way that Latin makes pretty much anything look profound < 1378486459 780141 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain (By the way, what with the pineapples?) < 1378486461 234165 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378486498 902210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the pineapples < 1378486507 170159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the slices of lime, but more LaTeX < 1378486519 552463 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bienvenue < 1378486521 494546 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenue sur le centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d'informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l'autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) < 1378486522 220596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1378486523 496348 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $0- >> /dev/null; echo Complaint filed. Thank you.; < 1378486554 720759 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, isn't it great? < 1378486555 12856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it should echo $@ instead < 1378486562 799996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the implementation hardly matters, because the logs are greppable < 1378486565 233420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way that the list works < 1378486570 59543 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378486579 119894 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a pretty obvious optimization to `complain < 1378486582 463163 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, possible. I'm not all that good at bash =P < 1378486591 743348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually started doing something similar in other channels < 1378486592 76692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the - about? < 1378486606 395830 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: >I'm not all that good at bash < 1378486609 546735 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it did something < 1378486615 764724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $0- < 1378486617 542064 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash- < 1378486619 361427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, it adds a hyphen to the end of the message < 1378486621 543138 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have access to a term to confirm < 1378486623 640446 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1378486628 631495 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it did something *more* < 1378486636 92487 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing it doesn't matter < 1378486642 115359 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would explain why my other script didn't work >_> < 1378486642 677158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/\$0-/"$@"/' bin/complain < 1378486643 960932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway, the /dev/null is filling up with copies of "bash-" atm < 1378486647 330219 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378486660 766367 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $@ < 1378486661 944778 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378486663 995874 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378486669 896977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm trying to figure out why you felt the need to correctly handle whitespace in arguments there < 1378486678 709150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter for at least two independent reasons < 1378486689 579984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(echo adds space between its arguments, and the output's going to /dev/null anyway) < 1378486729 38184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I feel the need to use correct idioms by default when possible. < 1378486733 715690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a habit that quotes arguments correctly is a good habit to have < 1378486741 662249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than think "should I use quotes here or " -- yes, that. < 1378486746 353771 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/complain < 1378486748 117298 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$@" >> /dev/null; echo Complaint filed. Thank you.; < 1378486750 118311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except $@ is very special and gets quoted in a special way. < 1378486751 193323 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1378486753 261979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But oh well. < 1378486778 873974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well $@'s entire purpose is to get quoted correctly < 1378486784 218471 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1378486794 218339 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/>>/>/g' bin/complain < 1378486798 101639 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378486802 6967 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/complain < 1378486803 241562 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$@" > /dev/null; echo Complaint filed. Thank you.; < 1378486803 942664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$@ is weird because «"$@"» gets split into multiple arguments. < 1378486811 634167 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's even better < 1378486824 510777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain ais523 doesn't visit us enough < 1378486825 861932 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378486848 841114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, I spent days of thought + an evening writing a new, complex esolang which is some of my best work < 1378486854 431944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #esoteric continues not discussing esolangs < 1378486864 886911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point I'm not sure it's possible to get ontopic discussion here < 1378486871 507607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although I don't mind offtopic discussion < 1378486876 657596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ontopic discussion is the reason I come here < 1378486884 785909 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Womp womp < 1378486887 748795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's no reason for me to be here, I don't visit < 1378486911 585602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1378486928 392591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Snowflake < 1378487052 303247 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's the name of my Linux distro X-D < 1378487066 117390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason I can't name an esolang after a Linux distro :) < 1378487071 830878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it wasn't, we can pretend if you like) < 1378487184 137020 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :“due for the tendency for documentation to get out of date quickly” lul < 1378487221 20931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sec < 1378487246 365813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: $0- is a syntax, it's just not the bash syntax. < 1378487272 121679 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :What syntax is it, then? =) < 1378487277 739344 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that sounds pretty cool (from the introduction, will read the rest in a bit, got some stuff to take care of first) < 1378487288 651024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1378487299 214406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on an interp, incidentally, but it's not finished ye < 1378487301 988305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yet < 1378487317 779349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: I don't quite recall, but it certainly was a syntax somewhere. ircII scripts? Something. < 1378487324 86693 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so unlike Feather it is doable? < 1378487331 725006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully I'll eventually have a working hello world that can run successfully more than once < 1378487338 679671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *unlike Feather it is possible for me to implement < 1378487344 611015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1378487350 104583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still convinced that Feather is implementable in general, I've just proven myself not up to the task < 1378487359 724464 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378487389 988654 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, yes. That's the way scripting works on KVIrc. Thanks =) < 1378487563 625204 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "it should be stored in files encoded in ASCII (more complex encodings are unnecessary due to the highly limited character set)" <-- that seems to work for most languages though... Can only think of a couple of examples that require more than ASCII. < 1378487581 609557 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :«lol Perl 6» < 1378487581 754798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is impossible to write a Snowflake compiler, due to the possibility that the compiler would be deleted before the program was run (thus leaving the program with no implementation to modify) <-- hm, not quite sure about this one. Would a JIT be impossible? < 1378487592 821408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you can write << and >> instead < 1378487594 791705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that an some encodings of INTERCAL < 1378487599 614884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or qqw/.../ < 1378487600 576981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? okay < 1378487601 101543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1378487606 48941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just some encodings of intercal < 1378487613 998825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess a JIT would be possible, indeed < 1378487615 663571 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, digraphs and trigraphs worked so well for C ;) < 1378487638 85845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lachine < 1378487640 153264 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lachine? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378487640 516371 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              | < 1378487640 695516 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            º¯`\o < 1378487658 866736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that script interaction isn't going to get annoying at all < 1378487667 254428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it already has < 1378487675 258995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're on the road to acceptance now < 1378487707 723240 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we not just shove a null or a zwsp in the middle of the face < 1378487718 451955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, the fix is to give HackEgo ops, so that it can temporarily mute myndzi when erroring out from `? and then unmute em a few seconds later < 1378487729 398569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the response was added solely for the purpose of `? < 1378487730 523335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1378487731 42507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in the mood for excessively complex fixes right now < 1378487732 444670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I like that solution even more < 1378487742 817870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it'd do well to stop botloops generally < 1378487745 318973 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :HackEgo > 1378487745 340920 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378487750 204608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have HackEgo always opped < 1378487761 689483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a challenge, to get it to send arbitrary IRC commands < 1378487772 555343 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As such, there is an effective column of tarnished thread stretching off into infinity." < 1378487776 503365 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this < 1378487788 209049 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke that everybody's too horribly lonery to just ask myndzi to stop < 1378487792 470180 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wasn't that disabled in the wake of the plazma thing < 1378487806 954993 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this going to be another `ls wisdom < 1378487830 477879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's more that we're esoprogrammers, and that solution is insufficiently creative < 1378487847 246428 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi's wisdom explains it: < 1378487847 391713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my mind is not in a state for reading the execution model right now. Way too tired to remember the start of the paragraph when I reach the end of it. I guess I'll give you some feedback tomorrow. < 1378487848 349238 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? myndzi < 1378487850 20345 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi keeps us all on our feet < 1378487856 613963 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh, uh huh, sure < 1378487865 546868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fair enough < 1378487908 786692 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lachine is where I live. boily and I realized that not only do we live in the same city (Montréal), he's the brother of one of my friends. =P < 1378487917 769906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: right < 1378487926 389615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, that is pretty funny < 1378487926 958751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured from the topic that there had to be at least two people there < 1378487929 220775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't know what it was < 1378487971 916105 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ab5:99ff:fef3:f256 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378488088 884213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1378488143 141800 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ! in double quotes in bash actually do; and, is it actually worth the inconvenience of not being able to write exclamation marks at all in double quotes? < 1378488164 832866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to your second question is no. < 1378488207 696930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best part is that you can't even up-arrow and fix the old line. < 1378488229 100284 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "!!" < 1378488230 524262 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!! < 1378488237 825150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's only in interactive mode. < 1378488239 481346 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo !! < 1378488241 95973 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!! < 1378488241 652512 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1378488254 186027 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it just interpolates the last ccommand. < 1378488256 144417 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sudo !!. < 1378488262 595411 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... something. < 1378488262 740704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo test \ test \ $ echo "!-1" \ echo "echo test" \ echo test \ $ < 1378488270 133882 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what it does for me < 1378488271 905372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's for interpolating previous commands < 1378488278 806543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked from the docs < 1378488291 454261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash has a man page, and less's search isn't that awful (although info would be better) < 1378488291 808437 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very useful when you forget sudo < 1378488306 197770 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it *was* useful when my "home" key didn't work < 1378488307 222306 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running windows right now so < 1378488361 702258 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :KITTEN/ANTIKITTEN < 1378488363 161054 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1378488365 893962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to act ignorant and pretend that everyone has man pages even on Windows < 1378488382 71833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I did convert the entirety of Perl's documentation to HTML so that I could view it on Windows < 1378488397 313414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that documentation that ships with Perl, that is; not all of CPAN, that'd take ages) < 1378488522 24340 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378488534 665413 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378488630 495646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, I got talked about myself, and if anyone wants to contribute to the Thingue, holler and I'll add you to the github repo. < 1378488634 274378 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, third question: is there actually any reason for echo "\!" to print \! < 1378488635 403981 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or nooodl too, I guess.) < 1378488635 994897 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1378488642 897172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you're doing PHP, yes. < 1378488652 394852 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the thing! < 1378488691 285001 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i couldn't get it to compile because my latex installation doesn't support cjk characters... i have no idea how to fix this < 1378488725 222839 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I use the texlive-langcjk package on archlinux. < 1378488784 162284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message from syslogd@dragon at Sep 4 23:21:00 ... < 1378488784 307558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : kernel:[189848.967709] journal commit I/O error < 1378488789 82270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks... worrying < 1378488797 798647 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch < 1378488826 788726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, an external USB 3 HDD is remounted as read-only on that system < 1378488837 136701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The backup disk to be specific < 1378488849 595305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing syslogd told you, then < 1378488858 395350 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap =P < 1378488861 290439 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was actually printed to the console < 1378488866 156037 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read-only backup sounds like a good idea < 1378488878 666894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, seems to have happened during a backup < 1378488881 187053 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dat extrema unctio ad Vorpalem < 1378488900 783074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[189848.966756] EXT4-fs warning (device sde1): ext4_end_bio:250: I/O error writing to inode 15076550 (offset 17760256 size 126976 starting block 56993246) < 1378488900 928226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[189848.966758] Buffer I/O error on device sde1, logical block 56992990 < 1378488900 928392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[189848.966760] Buffer I/O error on device sde1, logical block 56992991 < 1378488910 618823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thousand of lines like that < 1378488912 940496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it probably sent it to all VTs < 1378488914 627295 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuh oh. < 1378488917 103848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep < 1378488955 375123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, the disk is like less than two weeks old, but the USB 3 hub it is on is much newer than that, in fact the first after buying the hub < 1378488963 919853 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your HDD is HDDead, jim. < 1378489006 89367 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: could you send me the log of the pdf not compiling? < 1378489094 433807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, the HDD seems fine after remounting it. No SMART errors. A bit of journal recovery. Going to run a SMART tests on it. < 1378489102 145701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1378489111 392221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I suspect it might be USB3-related actually < 1378489117 860439 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378489123 144736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or related to that new hub, since it happened in the middle of the backup < 1378489144 3219 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. bad thing, that. not karmic at all. < 1378489174 161701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:21:00 tux kernel: [189848.848388] hub 4-2:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -71) < 1378489178 564403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1378489201 251075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: karmic's a bit old by now, isn't it? < 1378489210 941684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:20:52 tux kernel: [189840.988070] usb 6-1.3.2: USB disconnect, device number 91 < 1378489211 86979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:20:52 tux kernel: [189841.314285] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: ERROR no room on ep ring < 1378489211 87052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:20:52 tux kernel: [189841.314289] hub 3-2:1.0: activate --> -12 < 1378489211 87097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:20:59 tux kernel: [189848.319721] usb 4-2.4: reset SuperSpeed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd < 1378489211 704222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:20:59 tux kernel: [189848.335562] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: xHCI xhci_drop_endpoint called with disabled ep ffff8801d24320c0 < 1378489213 450527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:20:59 tux kernel: [189848.335568] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: xHCI xhci_drop_endpoint called with disabled ep ffff8801d2432100 < 1378489216 446631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:21:00 tux kernel: [189848.611473] usb 4-2.4: reset SuperSpeed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd < 1378489219 214430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O failing due to the USB link failing is reasonable < 1378489221 448217 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:21:00 tux kernel: [189848.627292] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: xHCI xhci_drop_endpoint called with disabled ep ffff8801d24320c0 < 1378489224 456247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:21:00 tux kernel: [189848.627297] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: xHCI xhci_drop_endpoint called with disabled ep ffff8801d2432100 < 1378489227 473039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 4 23:21:00 tux kernel: [189848.848388] hub 4-2:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -71) < 1378489229 464442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, looks like USB fucked up badly < 1378489255 634166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to have happened like a second after I disconnected my phone from another USB controller where it was charging < 1378489262 906295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than a second < 1378489264 909672 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err -71 is bad. it indeed is an USB cabling error, usually. remove any intermediate steps or hops or everything, change cables, hope for the best. < 1378489280 665661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, oh? Is there a list of these numbers somewhere? < 1378489280 852455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you just look that up, or did you have it memorized? < 1378489284 725788 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be useful < 1378489352 817161 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably. in fact, that may be very useful. < 1378489362 507833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I *believe* [189840.988070] usb 6-1.3.2: USB disconnect, device number 91 is my phone disconnecting < 1378489365 294952 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, -71 is common and happened to me multiple times. < 1378489375 986408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1378489392 714801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bus matches, the device doesn't though, but that seems to change on every disconnect or connect < 1378489393 375428 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily works in a linux box. He probably has every man page printed on his desk. < 1378489410 892411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, he IS a linux box. < 1378489413 546504 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was doing mobile development on android devices, and I had connection problems with one phone, for example. < 1378489414 614867 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1378489416 359105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty cool AI < 1378489438 525726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: why would you print man pages? apropos or even grep are better at searching than pper < 1378489439 990859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*paper < 1378489456 576052 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day, I'll build an automated arduinoed facepalm machine, and I'll dedicate it to you guys. < 1378489465 26387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, my phone seems to have a glitchy connector nowdays. Just over a year old too. Charging still works fine though, it is just that data might glitch out of you touch the connector < 1378489480 127766 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What if you don't have access to your computer? < 1378489488 597041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: we have a custom man page about how to brew coffee, scotched taped to the wall next to the machine. < 1378489489 530470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: then typically I don't need the content of the man page < 1378489500 940548 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Be Prepared is what I say < 1378489515 826982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the very few cases where I've wanted to check a man page and not had my regular computer, /and/ the computer I was actually using didn't have man pages installed < 1378489524 192515 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then it's like an old dusty NES: try to find the correct ritual that works, and stick to it. < 1378489527 949638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an Internet connection I could reasonably use, so I looked them up online < 1378489560 410775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, my ritual is charging over USB but running an SSH server on the phone and mounting it over sshfs instead < 1378489561 230888 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the Internet < 1378489563 494161 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about that < 1378489570 996736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, works better than bloody MTP anyway < 1378489594 111996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: I actually /can/ conceive of a situation where this wouldn't work, but it's never actually happened so far < 1378489605 603553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a limit to the number of things I can carry around just in case < 1378489606 629163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, fuck MTP I say. Why did they think it was a good idea. < 1378489611 284195 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious... What would that situation be? < 1378489614 748192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to carry out a printout of the FIDE Rules of Chess, for emergencies < 1378489618 305023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it actually came in handy once < 1378489622 348967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that thing I've been avoiding since its inception? < 1378489624 347538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't any more, it's not worth it < 1378489627 19916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, you can't do anything useful over it, like rsyncing your music library. < 1378489630 566739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: programming a Linux-based microcontroller < 1378489638 858178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, most likely < 1378489639 260301 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true < 1378489645 907350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the labs where I've done it had Windows computers only, and only intermittently working Internet < 1378489654 204161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the Internet had gone down, I could be left manpageless < 1378489654 861599 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's useful, therefore you can't. < 1378489668 163767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, quite < 1378489695 541725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lsusb is a bit on the fence about my phone model: < 1378489697 941700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus 006 Device 050: ID 04e8:6860 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd GT-I9100 Phone [Galaxy S II], GT-I9300 Phone [Galaxy S III], GT-P7500 [Galaxy Tab 10.1] < 1378489718 435364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one is correct < 1378489720 548590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably those models use the same identifier < 1378489723 961392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lsusb has no way to tell which < 1378489727 901948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep most likely < 1378489747 94423 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desk is manpageless: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/IMAG0028.jpg < 1378489757 476971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however, it does show up as GT-I9300 in Windows for example (as an MTP device). So that managed to detect it somehow < 1378489766 270895 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :manpage, the page for men < 1378489767 121217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you feel the need to photograph your desk just to prove there were no man pages on it? < 1378489781 280587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, work or home? < 1378489787 450763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not enough monitors < 1378489790 608868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like work < 1378489795 16168 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made with VELLUM < 1378489795 562113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :home wouldn't have a room that shape, most likely < 1378489800 941203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm true < 1378489803 656344 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes Vorpal < 1378489803 801509 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. I have honour! < 1378489811 128802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ? < 1378489816 222672 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: work. < 1378489818 145042 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Nice desk. I like it. < 1378489824 239031 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is a bit... messier. < 1378489827 898376 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't sweden where everyone lives in rooms the size of a small house < 1378489832 151316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't have a desk atm < 1378489841 324074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of yesterday < 1378489847 979472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you voice me, please? < 1378489850 366474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the teaching contract thing ended < 1378489855 110740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes < 1378489861 797587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I gave the desk back because I have no reason to use it and the department's short atm < 1378489869 154005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, eh, not that roomy in my place. I just thought it looked a bit unordered for a work desk < 1378489888 551188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I actually returned a key that opens most of the doors in the building, rather than the desk; the desk was in the right place, the problem was that the wrong person was there) < 1378489898 639879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my work desk was basically empty < 1378489906 644365 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't sweden, where all desktop items are aligned upon perfect euclidean boundaries < 1378489907 740922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent 4 years with nothing there but CPU/monitor/mouse/keyboard < 1378489921 671790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about the HDD? < 1378489922 693811 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "An ATM is when you're withdrawing money right now at a machine that will steal your relevant info" >wisdom/atm < 1378489926 633096 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378489927 875628 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume swiss desktop items are noneuclidean and gigeresque. < 1378489928 174537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a filing cabinet with a bunch of paper in (most of which has now been recycled or sent for secure disposal) < 1378489932 834932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CPU tower container thing < 1378489940 359781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, XD < 1378489953 952140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was probably an HDD in there too, although all the filesystems I use regularly were NFS < 1378489961 100341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*used < 1378489962 58086 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mathemanswered me, didn't you? < 1378489966 123486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? A thin client? < 1378489967 206293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, still use from time to time < 1378489967 351358 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dutch desktop items disobey all laws of perspective? < 1378489986 882251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it was like a powerful quad-core machine or something < 1378489991 750917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1378489999 462186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the storage was all elsewhere, for centralisation reasons < 1378490010 264858 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1378490014 97159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a quad core is not that powerful these days, more like the norm nowdays. Impressive how technology progresses < 1378490026 215255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even my phone is quad core after all < 1378490027 238605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it was powerful at the time < 1378490041 605091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite rare that I actually used the power < 1378490047 944225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone is way more powerful than my first computer. By order of magnitudes. < 1378490053 729197 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: I githubly found you. < 1378490060 398058 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1378490061 812691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the only time was when I used Virtualbox for marking the keyloggers < 1378490068 695977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my first computer was a first-model iBook, so it isn't like I'm talking about a 386 or such here < 1378490093 204887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because rebooting would have been a pain if they went wrong and crashed the kernel < 1378490097 409607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, marking the keyloggers? What? < 1378490104 882752 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Key loggers? That sounds... nefarious < 1378490106 639041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the students were asked to write keyloggers < 1378490108 741654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asked to mark them < 1378490113 278105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1378490119 959459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite a simple exercise that you can give starting-out kernel developers < 1378490127 49834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1378490137 199273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have to hook one interrupt, and it has the basics of things like memory allocation discipline and proper locking < 1378490144 277891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making files in /proc < 1378490166 579297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would assume it works differently for PS/2, serial, USB and so on? < 1378490199 629543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it did in that exercise, possibly they were hooking at a different abstraction level < 1378490204 924671 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1378490225 709837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else the course designer didn't realise that would be a problem, and it just happened to use the same virtualised port in VirtualBox < 1378490239 996126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1378490242 949831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the students were working in a lab of computers set aside for that sort of thing, which get wiped afterwards) < 1378490254 77866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe that the people in charge of the course didn't think it would be a problem < 1378490263 422269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1378490292 191392 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: How do you get that sweet, short URL? < 1378490295 144786 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :For dropbox%? < 1378490297 476270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an 11-week course, designed to be worked on at the same time as 5 other courses, about assembler and C and the GNU dialect of C and C++ and Linux kernel development < 1378490299 628123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that you ever see anything but USB these days. Or I guess whatever laptops use for their internal keyboards... < 1378490306 637353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm what *do* those use? < 1378490315 372854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internal PS/2 or something better? < 1378490323 160983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/2 would make sense < 1378490336 12179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could believably be something else < 1378490351 727354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seems like it would be costlier to not reuse the existing USB bus, like almost all bluetooth modules do in laptops anyway < 1378490383 355810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well then you need a bunch of hardware to convert the keypresses to the USB protocol < 1378490386 718383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might still be cheaper, though, I guess < 1378490402 675447 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, found it < 1378490404 253511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would depend on whether complexity on the motherboard or keyboard was more costly < 1378490404 398743 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/a9v6ve4elg7m36p/20130906_135201.jpg < 1378490425 229146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would likely depend on what connectors happened to be on the motherboard < 1378490433 475996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, nice office. < 1378490438 284546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're probably ordering them COTS, rather than having them custom-made < 1378490444 721861 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"office", yeah =P < 1378490453 916446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, oh? I thought it wasn't home < 1378490459 409599 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "mostly open cubicule", but yeah, office < 1378490460 683488 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, seems like you suffer a 16:9 monitor though < 1378490481 585004 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What do you suggest? =P < 1378490484 802143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people actually work on their desktop computers at offices? < 1378490488 82263 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, 16:10 < 1378490491 972378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used my tiny laptop/almost a netbook < 1378490501 271018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least partly because it was outside the firewall < 1378490507 314539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus no real risk if I messed up < 1378490509 100383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we have laptops in mostly permanent docking stations at work < 1378490522 962645 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do. Few people use laptops here. < 1378490526 578895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that mostly defeats the point of a laptop < 1378490552 219731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, They are pretty useless outside of those docks, since they use 180 W PSUs to run at max speed. Battery time is abyssmal. But they are really good when compiling code. Top end quad core i7s < 1378490557 377565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I carry my laptop pretty much everywhere < 1378490558 773721 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1378490561 936808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And massive SSDs inside < 1378490573 634424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as much RAM as you can fit in them. < 1378490579 742469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the battery time on this is just about sufficient to boot it and enter your password < 1378490582 451393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mine has 12 GB RAM < 1378490584 245968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's several years old < 1378490593 415419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be like 8 hours, but modern batteries lose duration so quickly < 1378490618 640421 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: sorry, stuck with a hairy XML problem here. < 1378490634 647108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I couldn't work on a laptop, too small screen. I regluarly use 2 external 24" 16:10 monitors + the built in laptop 16:9 monitors for various windows < 1378490636 798305 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Shave it? < 1378490652 261412 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really would like to, but my SO wont let me near any blade. < 1378490669 925655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can fit two 80-column programs side by side on this screen < 1378490673 550375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is big enough for me < 1378490679 379192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on occasion sometimes I'll split it into 4 < 1378490682 930637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both vertically and horizontally < 1378490683 506033 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough for me. < 1378490693 892238 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: but yeah, dropbox.com → dossier Public → clic droit sur l'image → Copier le lien public. < 1378490701 18158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what, 80 columns or 4 programs? < 1378490754 122183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, need an entire monitor to run the various component simulations, since I develop for a distributed embedded system, with like 4 units having monitors on their own, plus a window for the operator panel with the levers and what not. And a window with the IO module simulator < 1378490775 607948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of simulated CAN buses there < 1378490777 474235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does a simulation need a monitor at all? < 1378490782 281800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1378490805 273305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, if you want to mess with the GUI the users see. It is a control system for mining equipment. And there are several screens in the real machine. < 1378490809 823837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1378490821 737465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, developing GUIs is a decent reason to have a larger monitor than everyone else < 1378490826 788831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have their monitor + other things < 1378490834 810926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, this is a reason for everyone else to have small monitors < 1378490837 637699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise that couldn't be posible < 1378490886 100991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, plus there is the manging client used in the control room or mine office and the coordination server for remote allocation (and some system configuration), but I can't have non-overlapping windows if I have *everything* open. < 1378490903 784699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes that "manging" is a typo for "mangling" rather than "managing" < 1378490933 471200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the latter alas. It just shows where all the units are on a map, and how much fuel and so on they have < 1378490941 298556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where in the drill plans they are < 1378490968 507098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since each application also opens a 80x25 terminal window for the log/debug output, the screens fills quickly < 1378491024 31272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use a autohotkey script to move all the windows around after starting the simulation. I hate autohotkeys syntax with a passion. < 1378491030 424814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :autohotkey's* < 1378491075 105689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is beginning to sound increasingly WTF over time < 1378491089 544118 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378491090 39680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one really good thing about working for a CS department < 1378491105 46784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the sysadmins / computer technicians (they're the same people there) are really really good at their jobs < 1378491112 351683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1378491112 889150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if they weren't, everyone would call them on it < 1378491136 467943 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a CS lab i actually managed to print a document to a physical printer < 1378491138 791116 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :triumph, imo < 1378491142 556487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up having to need a kernel with custom configuration for a marking script, we explained the problem and they created a VM with a suitably configured kernel < 1378491148 331052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same filesystems as everything else < 1378491158 708330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: at our lab, that'd have something like a 50% chance of working < 1378491161 590447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Anyway autohotkey is an a quite reasonable option for moving windows around on Windows. Because afaik there is no other good option for doing that when you press a key combo < 1378491167 387148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was mostly me who ended up refilling the printers in practice < 1378491170 462544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I printed so many handouts < 1378491189 639428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I'm just more amused that the situation became necessary in the first place < 1378491197 938469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to just pipe all the terminal output into a monitoring program, for instance < 1378491206 306094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that presents it appropriately < 1378491246 539468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, that would be nice. Not sure it would be doable under windows though < 1378491264 148910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was working with Windows console programming recently < 1378491267 690140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my verdict is, "no idea" < 1378491279 650419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway windows opens windows (pun not intended) in terrible positions by default. < 1378491285 586505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not even a pun < 1378491288 787224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what the OS is named after < 1378491295 315041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1378491297 91506 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 50% is more than the usual rate. time before that i tried to print something i had to download drivers. and install via a sh. < 1378491302 287904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably a bad idea because the existence of X means that they can't trademark it < 1378491314 112067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we wouldn't have enough perms to do that < 1378491321 361075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual printing system worked fine < 1378491324 427047 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my personal computer, i mean < 1378491327 55524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the queues had a tendency to just get stuck < 1378491328 536440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh < 1378491341 631673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do that via print to PDF + scp + ssh to send it to the printer < 1378491345 28374 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a pretty cool printer system at work. You just print to the "Print Anywhere" device, then go to a printer and swipe your RFID door key thingy < 1378491347 552142 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well, that sucks. < 1378491351 458616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get a list of your printer queue < 1378491359 729575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can select to print whatever < 1378491360 665429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was talking about from the labs themselves < 1378491375 979882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very rare I needed to print anything other than handouts for students and marksheets < 1378491384 773067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those could most easily be printed in the lab anyway < 1378491401 363510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least partly to stop people stealing them before I had a chance to collect them from the printer) < 1378491411 248459 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you know what's weird? the way we have a desktop metaphor and then cover our desktops in windows < 1378491415 476632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is unlikely but I took data protection seriosuly, especially when marks are involved) < 1378491458 397032 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i have a physical desk, and there are hardly any windows on it at all. < 1378491466 168121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where do you work now? < 1378491477 856720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, XD < 1378491484 269256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: currently I'm finishing up a PhD, so at home < 1378491486 134977 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe back in the 60s there was a fad of desks made of glass < 1378491489 945305 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the only logical explanation < 1378491490 750221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1378491505 933130 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of system of wheels to move glass around the surface < 1378491507 155995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I have seen living room tables made of glass < 1378491533 152804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the surface that is, usually not the legs < 1378491545 60533 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the desktop metaphor that would be having your desktop background be a view into your CRT or some shit (back when we used crts) < 1378491547 414041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that would be cool and probably dangerous < 1378491581 404183 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man. remember crts? < 1378491582 873848 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck crts. < 1378491583 619631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1378491589 493937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate them with a passion < 1378491602 368014 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is something with an "electron gun" so damn inconvenient. < 1378491606 560293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really sharp, always slightly blurry and headache inducing < 1378491618 590775 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had an electron gun i'd just shoot it all the time < 1378491634 365568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good CRTs actually have better image quality than good LCDs < 1378491639 118087 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had an electron gun, I'd make myself instant hot-dogs. < 1378491641 164039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people preferred LCDs because they took up less space < 1378491641 600851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it isn't called a "gun" in Swedish. We use the terms "anod" and "katod" < 1378491652 306251 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grocery clerk? a professor? someone asking me out on a date? BAM electrongun'd. < 1378491652 789692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm not sure if you can cook a hot dog effectively with beta-radiation < 1378491652 934953 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure they are used in English as well < 1378491663 978260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "anode", "cathode" < 1378491666 415794 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anode and cath- yeah. < 1378491673 278836 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cooking it effectively is not the point. < 1378491676 703840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technical terms for referring to electrodes at particular voltages < 1378491687 85902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that depends on the quality of the LCD I would say. IPS panels can be pretty damn good < 1378491687 701921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(irradiating hot-dog sausages, otoh... :D) < 1378491706 211486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I moved over to IPS at home after getting used to it at work < 1378491772 188120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: would you electron-gun iverum < 1378491778 298171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can heartily recommend Dell UltraSharp U2413 btw. Dell UltraSharp U2412M is a bit cheaper (mostly due to the fact that it is sRGB instead of wide gamut) but still really good < 1378491786 950834 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you /and/ him, babe < 1378491803 917904 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds painful :< < 1378491826 617401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway we wouldn't use "anode"/"cathode" to talk about an electron gun generally in English; it'd be like casually describing a computer by what sort of motherboard it used < 1378491837 385537 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think electron guns actually do anything to people < 1378491860 23376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I guess there is the term "elektronstrålerör" now that I think about it. Which would be "electron beam tube" < 1378491891 133241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even electron ray tube < 1378491896 92159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :both translations work < 1378491905 115789 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, electrons are like, small,, man. < 1378491963 780720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: beta rays are actually pretty dangerous < 1378491972 885750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly via corrupting DNA < 1378491975 757364 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly < 1378491988 974775 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ok, i'll shoot him first to make sure it's safe. < 1378492006 749052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beta particles don't sound very safe < 1378492013 100864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, alpha/beta/gamma rays are all dangerous; alpha are the most damaging if they get inside the body, but also get stopped very easily < 1378492031 45356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, even a piece of paper gives pretty good shielding from alpha rays < 1378492048 833838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so beta are the most dangerous if you're near the source, and gamma from a long distance < 1378492071 914913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about neutrons? < 1378492082 205733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you pointed an alpha ray directly at an open wound, but don't do that < 1378492084 351888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know < 1378492084 614589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As happens in a chain reaction with uranium and such < 1378492098 4631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that radiation even called? < 1378492102 801394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that there are people who know how dangerous they are, but I'm not one of them < 1378492201 988946 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutrons are just called neutrons I thikn < 1378492208 174822 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1378492218 507733 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unlike the others there are different kinds iirc < 1378492221 77308 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo zeta rays. < 1378492227 65655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? < 1378492254 705646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one sort of neutron AFAIK < 1378492266 682369 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but they can have different energies < 1378492267 687313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are antineutrons too but they tend not to exist very much < 1378492278 401220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, in that case, there are different kinds of gamma ray too < 1378492281 92522 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, way to be discriminatory ais. < 1378492284 128483 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess alpha, beta and gamma are all pretty constrained by the nuclear processes that emit them < 1378492307 387708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ? < 1378492313 282493 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1378492319 55307 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't neutrons have differente spin or some shit < 1378492323 111795 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these particles fuckcing spin < 1378492331 880648 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that doesn't matter < 1378492336 120396 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1378492350 696032 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaik the interactions that lead to alpha/beta decay have fairly strict requirements < 1378492359 383996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, most alpha particles have around the same energy < 1378492396 601261 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an isotope of tantalum which should in theory be ridiculously unstable, but because of this bizarre convergence of different effects is very very stable < 1378492403 954473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta-180m~ < 1378492415 875629 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you i loved it first < 1378492416 58271 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck is tantalum even for < 1378492416 204249 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love those weird cool isotopes like that < 1378492425 572542 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, capacitors hth < 1378492434 447926 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god fuck capacitors < 1378492443 546580 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1378492454 456178 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k, i <3 capacitance. < 1378492463 780115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: was that during your metallurgy hipster phase < 1378492484 559865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, the reason that technetium doesn't have any stable isotopes < 1378492489 334121 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the be8/c12 resnoance < 1378492491 747030 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or halo nuclei < 1378492494 919716 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really into niobium, you've probably never heard of it, etc < 1378492498 385989 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nuclear physics is so wonderful) < 1378492520 323238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there are such things as element hipsters? < 1378492529 967286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, *elliott: < 1378492545 168019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I have more scrollback than Vorpal but I read it backwards < 1378492548 768915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can get a little out of context sometimes < 1378492557 129629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: could you voice me? elliott is being a mathematician today. < 1378492560 585107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have 1000 lines per channel iir < 1378492562 61002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc* < 1378492598 431667 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lanthanides are way better displayed on vinyl < 1378492606 32893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you not aware that "Vorpal has no scrollback" is a #esoteric meme? < 1378492617 101467 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Not Authorized to Perform this Operatiön < 1378492650 640931 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Öperation < 1378492661 870346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I am, but I'm ignoring it < 1378492663 887990 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Öpërätïön < 1378492665 812493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right < 1378492678 94848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway the reason for me is probably reading it from the end and upwards too < 1378492679 152874 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ask HackEgo < 1378492685 846397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do that < 1378492691 910780 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: VOICE! NOW! < 1378492695 282026 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: pretty please. < 1378492705 636761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why do you want voice so much anyway? < 1378492724 757865 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: equilibrium of the forces. and I'm jealous of Roujo's status :D < 1378492730 900111 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should download irssi into hackego and have it join. it will, of course, be opped < 1378492752 507597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think hackego knows its own IRC password < 1378492760 676128 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deep. < 1378492810 923761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in much the same way that programs are normally unaware of their own source coe < 1378492814 533683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in the case of Feather) < 1378492824 144019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also Snowflake tells programs what their own source code is < 1378492841 690134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't actually required, ofc – you could just write everything as quines – but they tend to need to know so that they can repair it < 1378492841 931050 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about kleene's theorem.................. < 1378492872 291051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote feather < 1378492873 897665 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :871) -!- ais523 has parted #esoteric ("someone is going to mention Feather, I know it"). \ 872) i don't even know anything about feather and i'm getting sick of the time travel jokes \ 902) in Smalltalk, as in Feather, in order to do I/O, you must first create the universe ais523, it seems quite capable of I/O... GUI is a fo < 1378492879 739700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Roujo have voice anyway? < 1378492888 188926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he asked for it < 1378492889 977317 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Canadian Cup, 2013 < 1378492891 245109 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1378492894 81007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1378492895 654323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? < 1378492897 108084 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes did! < 1378492897 364185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did < 1378492901 175083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's boily who asked for it < 1378492905 304088 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might have < 1378492927 486608 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that I got voice while commenting the race < 1378492934 386461 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with boily < 1378493006 63863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… what might be interesting would be an IRC flag/permission-like thing < 1378493020 546176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does nothing at all, except allow you to turn it on and off on other people < 1378493026 150193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be an interesting exercise in social dynamics < 1378493026 925458 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be awesome < 1378493051 633771 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over on SlashNET, there's a channel where anyone that gets in gets ops < 1378493070 228204 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just have to join it, and you get ops < 1378493071 758167 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck slashnet < 1378493071 985294 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SlashNET is a medium-sized, independently operated Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network. < 1378493083 766163 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also an interesting social experiment < 1378493087 428660 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is slashnet one of those anti-serv places < 1378493095 718001 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: you heretic. there is one network, and the network is Freenode. < 1378493098 682373 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, Services are there < 1378493103 941357 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1378493104 741547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: heh; I remember the terms and conditions for quakenet < 1378493123 551857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which pretty much explicitly say "don't do that, are you idiots, if you op everyone in your channel we refuse to help if someone screws it up (which they will)" < 1378493127 346175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they don't use the same language < 1378493133 884932 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1378493144 876914 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to see anyone abuse the op powers < 1378493163 704758 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is impressive, imo < 1378493170 469969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on which networks you go to < 1378493172 484579 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1378493184 298760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on the receiving end of op abuse in other channels before now < 1378493184 860592 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the everyone-is-an-op channel, I mean < 1378493203 431868 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got k/b'd from other channels for no reason before =P < 1378493206 755719 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "no reason" < 1378493208 388677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my normal technique for dealing with it is to avoid the channel for a long time in order to worry people into thinking that I was seriously offended < 1378493212 528410 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) "I thought you were someone else" < 1378493218 490084 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) "I don't know you, so get out" < 1378493223 648847 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1378493225 797607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in channels where the vast majority of people have autojoin, and joke kicks are comon < 1378493227 741960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*common < 1378493230 422523 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1378493240 585914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 2), it's called setting invite-only (or channel key) < 1378493243 190724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) is understandable though < 1378493260 972179 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah =P < 1378493265 668672 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just pretty random < 1378493268 562286 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I just got in < 1378493291 340161 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was about an old community I was a part of, so I was catching up, talking to people < 1378493308 23142 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then some op came back, saw that I was called Skynet, panicked and k/b'd me < 1378493338 785461 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrified of the terminator menace < 1378493363 888673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my point of view: if Skynet really does become reality and start taking over the Internet (and then the whole world by proxy) < 1378493374 621416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it actually thinks it's safe for it to use its real name, we're probably screwed no matter what < 1378493378 38680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no point in worrying about it < 1378493450 581164 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1378493478 852998 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess we're going to have to travel back in time to tell the op this. < 1378493482 186552 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We were talking about how I became Skynet just yesterday < 1378493507 877327 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you suggested that I /nick Skynet to scare Darth_Cliche, back when I played BlogNomic < 1378493516 888067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'd mostly forgotten that < 1378493524 116428 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that blognomicbot would show "Players watching the game: Skynet" < 1378493537 890900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I caused enough controversy when I started using callforjudgement on blognomic IRC, before I was a player < 1378493540 763259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement < 1378493545 491186 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :She didn't remember it at all, either =P < 1378493551 877209 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blognomic controversy < 1378493553 927619 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nick stuck, but I'm not allowed to use it for nomic any more < 1378493567 437178 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember, though. She came in and, again, k/b'd me. =P < 1378493583 914968 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck blognomic < 1378493584 234380 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software description: support applications for various blognomic dynasties (Python). < 1378493584 379641 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind the fact that I had ops, so I was (probably) a known player =P < 1378493585 764745 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh < 1378493591 326762 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1378493599 174355 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://blognomic.com/ < 1378493601 212621 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks DDG in the self-referential definitions < 1378493609 167900 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1378493617 565293 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378493625 615502 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blognomic's the gateway nomic for addicting people to nomic < 1378493629 459861 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1378493643 245046 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, because a) it's easy to play, and b) it's fun the first few dynasties < 1378493645 990122 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it gets repetitive < 1378493657 344631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I caused enough controversy when I started using callforjudgement on blognomic IRC, before I was a player <-- what does that do? < 1378493665 952998 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried nomic once with my bro and another guy (or girl, or human. probably human). it was... politico-confuzzling. < 1378493666 376094 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or your win gets papered over and you resent the game forever < 1378493684 187237 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Call for Judgement, or CFJ, is an in-game term < 1378493688 536996 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes the nick confusing =P < 1378493689 986567 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in Nomic, a call for judgement is what happens when there's a dispute about the rules and they want someone to resolve it < 1378493702 746682 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, in BlogNomic specifically, they felt it'd be useful for people to make anonymous CFJs < 1378493705 222672 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: We should play together one day. < 1378493717 242919 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they didn't give away secret information < 1378493717 928815 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, I played Nomic with Pouti for quite some time < 1378493719 905256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, heh < 1378493744 247094 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the standard example was in a Werewolf/Mafia game; if one of the Mafia felt that something was unfair to their team, they couldn't exactly bring up the point publicly) < 1378493750 587708 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378493762 216187 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, they had a user account, "callforjudgment" (US spelling), for the purpose of making them, that anyone could use < 1378493776 383645 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone (possibly multiple people) started trolling via it, so it got deactivated < 1378493780 749200 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I thought it'd be funny to use on IRC < 1378493794 357102 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show that I was anonymous < 1378493802 465574 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I didn't notice the spelling difference, so I did it with UK spelling < 1378493821 934258 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1378493825 268298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :CallForJudgement < 1378493827 454243 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes caps < 1378493842 478968 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, things lead to other things, and it's probably my primary nick now < 1378493935 262501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, really? < 1378493937 152597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1378493942 839332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: there's the OUMF going on. retrogaming night today! < 1378493947 707759 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less taken on average than "ais523" < 1378493949 520775 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing < 1378493964 532017 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, as is well-known by now, was randomly generated by the University's computer system) < 1378494023 407018 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also "scarf", but mostly just because I noticed it wasn't taken < 1378494069 287943 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1378494079 378658 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What's that? =) < 1378494098 547923 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378494120 618449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: one of Montréal's multiple mini-festivals. art émergent, random stuff, random people, random randomity. < 1378494133 950861 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1378494137 825914 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oumf.ca/ < 1378494151 432717 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/random >> OUMF < 1378494214 628765 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378494224 669965 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1378494282 366742 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378494282 647751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's less taken on average than "ais523" <-- really? I wouldn't imagine it was used a lot < 1378494316 741935 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: three-letters three-numbers will be taken by some people just by chance < 1378494325 338272 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $((26*26*26*1000)) < 1378494326 600904 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :17576000 < 1378494335 545718 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so big, given the number of users of the Internet < 1378494352 532014 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1378494356 992653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but far from everyone will take one of those < 1378494360 356581 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome solidoodlesuppor < 1378494363 347408 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02solidoo09dle03s08upp03or: 11Welcome to the intern11ational hub for eso08te12ri08c06 programmi12ng l09a04nguage design a05nd03 deployment! 13For more information, check o14ut our wiki: http://eso04l13angs.or05g/w05iki/Main_P12age. (For11 the other kind of esote10ri13ca, tr11y #esoteri09c o11n irc.10dal.n07et.) < 1378494382 471863 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and a good thing too, they'd all be taken already if they did < 1378494402 204772 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Well yeah. =P < 1378494450 996612 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: good to see I'm not the only one trying to autocomplete on mkdir. < 1378494457 878346 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reformatting your quotes, btw. hth.) < 1378494485 187907 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes ais523 < 1378494491 153903 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9162 < 1378494544 439003 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only those that match /<[^[:alpha:]]*ais523[^[:alpha:]]*>/ < 1378494578 589848 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may as well read them all anyway < 1378494619 314445 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have missed the USB sushi antediluvian craze... < 1378494752 881502 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I saw it advertised once < 1378494758 732788 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure exactly what it was, because I didn't buy it < 1378494828 288953 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, your quotes are ready. you can peruse the PDF. < 1378494994 962467 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we need a Snowflake-related quote in the qdb < 1378495005 587511 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can mark the passage of qdb times by the esolangs being discussed < 1378495027 505460 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick someone say something funny about snowflake < 1378495036 54083 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm surprised that so long has gone since Radixal!!!!) < 1378495047 396481 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 825 < 1378495103 47614 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think I have a good definition for what makes a good esolang < 1378495106 72516 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why a snowflake? what is Radixal? < 1378495113 936850 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval primeFactors 825 < 1378495114 868716 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3,5,5,11] < 1378495127 320927 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a language which, at the point in time at which it was created, cannot be programmed in using programming techniques that already exist < 1378495134 420698 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, brainfuck was a good esolang when created < 1378495146 929285 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but BF derviatives are not good esolangs, because techniques for BF are well known now < 1378495196 534098 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do esolangs ever get used for legit cryptography? < 1378495203 727605 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like you hide something fun in a cook book program < 1378495204 177332 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1378495215 206298 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs mostly exist to make things hard to understand on the surface < 1378495228 864220 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowflake uses kittens to reverse stack polarity. < 1378495232 337000 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas nowadays, legit cryptography is about being mathematically unbreakable even if you know what you're doing < 1378495238 640879 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's enough to make it a good esolang in my book. < 1378495270 536731 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, few people even read my book. < 1378495273 111266 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh =P < 1378495297 698646 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone do esolangs for a living? < 1378495300 416761 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: Good enough of a quote for you? < 1378495301 986509 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like such a strange place < 1378495314 154715 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidoodlesuppor: Does VB count? < 1378495319 432597 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH < 1378495324 611698 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: :) < 1378495325 788934 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about PHP? < 1378495339 525469 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, PHP. Qualifies since there's still no known good programming technique to use. < 1378495340 353633 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidoodlesuppor: there was exactly one instance where an esolang made commercial success < 1378495342 222562 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: we're talking programming. < 1378495344 946628 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it… biota? < 1378495348 242343 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1378495352 83089 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got designed for a purpose, then solved < 1378495355 67593 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, sold < 1378495356 940151 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also, your quotes were reformatted. < 1378495361 599077 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1378495362 586752 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's for fun or for reasearch, though < 1378495368 273969 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sold for a net profit in 1991" < 1378495369 128875 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Taneb < 1378495369 556830 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1378495370 714522 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :389) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement \ 395) Cut to February War were declared A galaxy in turmoil Anyway, Febuary '10 \ 396) I can't afford one of those! A grandchild, not a laser printer \ 402) There's that saying that the definition of insani < 1378495373 228959 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also arguably the $25,000 I won from Wolfram Research was esolanging < 1378495393 269139 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: You won 25k from them? Awesome! =D < 1378495401 576212 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think part of the reason I got there first is that people were trying to see it as a maths/CS problem < 1378495406 56348 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than an esoprogramming problem < 1378495407 895994 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like you could write a nasty computer virus in biota < 1378495416 282503 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(understandable, because most people don't know what esoprogramming is) < 1378495417 255195 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rewards for propping up wolfram's ego are great < 1378495435 897408 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I kind-of fell out with him < 1378495445 694923 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are the costs < 1378495451 591961 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you fall out < 1378495478 781658 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because he seemed to consider the entire problem as a yes or no thing < 1378495479 835411 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, I thought you were a newb! I have not been paying attention < 1378495485 361917 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's much more nuanced than that < 1378495493 67610 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not enough to know my alternative nick, indeed < 1378495503 269289 :k_k_k!~kcd@118.99.76.34 QUIT : < 1378495509 887057 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't been here for weeks < 1378495513 115746 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm probably a newb anyway :) < 1378495524 623614 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen you use that nick before < 1378495535 531411 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so this is the wrapper controversy < 1378495538 737714 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it on Freenode much < 1378495546 657309 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nah, the controversy happened ages ago < 1378495558 80105 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not annoyed at the controversy, I'm annoyed at Wolfram for not even noticing its existence < 1378495567 856207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what i meant < 1378495568 733433 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for thinking that something that runs in O(2^2^n) might be viable < 1378495585 726346 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that computational class is too high for most people to comprehend < 1378495590 466171 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, by the end of the month I'll be attending the University of York < 1378495598 933222 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is that relevant somehow? < 1378495602 580968 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1378495605 955166 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1378495608 612133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thought you may have missed it < 1378495611 350809 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1378495622 591794 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always important to know whether there's anyone of importance in hexham or not < 1378495633 805073 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're in york, there's only a need to figure it out wrt elliott < 1378495657 161241 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you, as a former student, give me studency advice? < 1378495689 810894 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was really bad at anything but the academic stuff < 1378495700 729482 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow managed to miss Fresher's Week altogether < 1378495712 302427 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't even have fresher's week in warwick < 1378495713 644924 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically just stayed independent of everyone for like a year, it was pretty boring < 1378495717 769822 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did wolfram do wrong? < 1378495719 342885 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is list < 1378495719 488025 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was folded into the normal first week < 1378495722 66630 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lost < 1378495722 618732 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I filled in the time by learning INTERCAL < 1378495739 622754 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also explains why the early ais523 era of C-INTERCAL was developed on SunOS < 1378495748 510582 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also decided to learn UNIX at the same time < 1378495843 597408 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidoodlesuppor, basically, CallForJudgement proved a very small system (that Wolfram was interested in) Turing-complete under the assumption that the tape started as some easily computable sequence < 1378495857 135784 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, "easily" is relative < 1378495882 47738 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidoodlesuppor, and some people, Wolfram included, didn't like that very much < 1378495893 61470 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I heard he can be that way... < 1378495919 673968 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, CallForJudgement: Is there anywhere I could read about this? < 1378495923 308763 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds interesting < 1378495937 492223 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram's_2-state_3-symbol_Turing_machine#Proof_of_universality < 1378495948 821731 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/images/prizeAnnouncement.png < 1378495949 585202 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot < 1378495954 203486 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Science have their own page about it < 1378495959 580128 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1378495963 916329 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's pretty neutral on the subject, though < 1378495969 697851 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is impressive given how polarized the sides got < 1378495977 537928 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stayed entirely out of it myself (mostly just watched, or ignored it) < 1378495979 951317 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, that is < 1378495986 282191 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was systematic vandalism there for a while < 1378496004 301232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : also for thinking that something that runs in O(2^2^n) might be viable <-- wtf? He thought that was viable? I guess for very very small n < 1378496006 291950 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, this probably explains why the universality thing has 12 citaitons < 1378496007 792308 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*citations < 1378496022 940083 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think he thought that was viable; rather, he just didn't think of checking the computational class at all < 1378496029 862353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1378496043 617084 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least one fallacious proof in ANKOS because he ignored the initialization requirements of the rule 110 proof < 1378496065 989735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ANKOS? < 1378496071 994805 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ankos < 1378496072 333954 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Science is a best-selling, controversial book by Stephen Wolfram, published in 2002. < 1378496083 336419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1378496114 324869 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is, I fixed it in my head < 1378496117 971644 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :told him about it over the phone < 1378496121 705872 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have never publicly released the fix < 1378496124 110252 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I like things that way < 1378496194 206532 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh =P < 1378496194 745296 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, as a Canadian, can you give me studency tips? < 1378496200 609990 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Studency? < 1378496208 825670 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state of being a student < 1378496209 976328 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being-a-student-ness, I guess < 1378496213 350880 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1378496215 267749 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1378496218 120334 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1378496224 841348 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a student anymore, mind you < 1378496237 472922 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even when I was... I tended to not follow proper studency < 1378496248 289456 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't do homework, didn't really study... =/ < 1378496263 84757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your advice gonna be "don't do what I did"? < 1378496263 287445 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not sure any advice of mine would be worth much < 1378496267 722703 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1378496271 546627 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1378496293 329975 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my advice: "Never stop being curious." < 1378496301 163027 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good advice < 1378496326 772565 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, as someone who probably was a student but I cannot actually remember, can you give me studency tips? < 1378496328 610826 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit... lazy at times. But this is what saved me. < 1378496329 690691 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How did you get your nick indented....? < 1378496339 947047 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indented? < 1378496342 156333 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's at least one fallacious proof in ANKOS because he ignored the initialization requirements of the rule 110 proof < 1378496344 944623 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :details, ais < 1378496345 481722 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did? < 1378496346 393452 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :details < 1378496368 386178 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he produced a turing machine (2,5 I think) which, when run on an empty tape, produces the pattern that rule 110 produces on an empty tape < 1378496373 4329 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and claimed that the turing machine is TC < 1378496377 95896 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but that doesn't prove it < 1378496387 619406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hm, find friends early who are interested in studies rather than living the student life I guess. If that is what you want. < 1378496412 760535 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found friends eventually, and got on well with them, for academic project purposes < 1378496416 740332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, not really sure what kind of tips you want < 1378496421 195291 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we went and collaborated to subvert the group project marking system < 1378496444 604507 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, mainly I'm just a bit nervous because it's a big change for me < 1378496447 960811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, I'm playing paper & pen roll playing with a couple of them nowdays even after university. < 1378496464 682123 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, about being a student... Yeah, friend are important. Surround yourself with people you want to be like, it helps to soak up their interest/intensity like a sponge. =) < 1378496475 627244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, And we usually meet up a couple of times every year for a dinner or such. < 1378496479 368951 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't worry too much about getting it right first time < 1378496491 771582 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities aren't like schools where you're stuck with the same few people forever < 1378496506 73459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, learn LaTeX if you don't already know it. You might not need it at the start, but it will get invaluable pretty soon < 1378496508 333090 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Being around people who do studies-related stuff for fun is a good way to make the studies themselves fun < 1378496533 654488 :itsy!~digital_w@200.79.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: itsy < 1378496554 862758 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh yes, good advice < 1378496559 295656 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it can be put off several years < 1378496576 162896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, we are using a custom rule system, one of us (not me) is a rule set collector and nerd, so he made his own system instead of using an existing one. It works pretty well from what I can tell. < 1378496611 325703 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378496624 339903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, I had good use of it in the second half of the second year and from that point onwards I would say < 1378496637 351989 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is CallForJudgement still ais < 1378496649 988296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no, he evolved < 1378496650 788409 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: from my point of view it was pointless because everyone else used Word even when we specifically told them not to < 1378496653 960711 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1378496666 936557 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering if someone else is nicked callforjudgment as a joke before i ask ais a question < 1378496669 233018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look! ais523 is evolving. He is turning into a CallForJudgement. < 1378496689 396523 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to merge nine separate files, eight of which were Word files, in order to write a report < 1378496691 860612 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under huge time pressure < 1378496692 95565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry I never played much pokemon, I don't remember how the wording goes) < 1378496704 264503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, ouch < 1378496707 680 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't played pokemon in years. you know why? because i'm not a NERRRRRD < 1378496726 667734 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I did it was to tell people to stop editing for a while, then run the Word-generated HTML through Tidy, then open it in Emacs and run a bunch of regexes on it interactively < 1378496730 452654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I only ever played one game, and in an emulator < 1378496738 223731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never owned any handheld, or any console < 1378496743 131893 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez < 1378496748 460507 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i at least played on a Real Console < 1378496748 976853 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I qualified for the Pokémon World Championships in 2011 via coming top 8 in the UK < 1378496752 868705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, holy crap < 1378496767 189734 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how did you not know this? I think I've mentioned it in-channel before < 1378496768 797847 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything ais can't do < 1378496776 485953 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: qualify in 2013, apparently < 1378496777 694119 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, no I meant the Tidy stuff < 1378496781 976327 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :point < 1378496785 624770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, that is what I went "holy crap" at < 1378496786 51650 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm going to ask my question < 1378496798 592379 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tidy has a command line option specifically for cleaning up some of the worst excesses of Word < 1378496802 953472 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just, you do cool hardware stuff, i'm in babby's first hardware class, do you have any suggestions for what to attempt to do with my fpga < 1378496818 242048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, anyway < 1378496827 134110 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Eat it. < 1378496827 336467 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well the hello world for an FPGA (or similar hardware things) is to toggle one of the GPIOs between 0 and 1 every second < 1378496829 755968 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA is food. < 1378496832 108663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used LyX mostly, and for stuff I was the only person working on < 1378496840 343591 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, i haven't done anything with the clock yet < 1378496843 159685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had to work on stuff with 8 people editing at the same time < 1378496858 556839 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most advanced design so far is something that turns off a different ssd based on which button is pressed. < 1378496860 402321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, thought it was every half second? < 1378496866 387213 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: FPGAs suck at asynchronous, you probably want to use the clock < 1378496869 264171 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tbf I doubt it matters < 1378496870 567946 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i read an article on anosmia in birds the other day and thought of you. < 1378496875 125967 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like whether you put the comma in the hello world or not < 1378496881 246295 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: yeah, i meant, i haven't done anything complicated enough to warrant a clock :/ < 1378496903 261842 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for my next thing i could have the ssds display the number input on the switches in base four < 1378496903 446130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, but that is hugely important! < 1378496906 454623 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I feel a bit conflicted here because I had an argument with my PhD supervisor yesterday < 1378496910 910382 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires clock because of the way the ssds are muxed < 1378496913 10936 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: oh? < 1378496923 994816 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where he was claiming that I should abandon talking about asynchronous hardware because it wouldn't run on our FPGA < 1378496931 817276 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it's a more natural fit for the mathematical model < 1378496935 987554 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1378496948 379146 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, the problem is that all the existing formalisms of delay-insensitive asynchronous hardware suck) < 1378496948 804217 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm interested in clockless stuff, but it's a pretty abstract interest given my level of capability < 1378496953 956066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, there isn't much async hardware though, is there? < 1378496955 413967 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so am I < 1378496957 424990 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1378496962 11066 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's OK, this is /theoretical/ computer science < 1378496969 715613 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right except you're, like, a phd candidate, you know more9 things than i do < 1378496996 611967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, I mean in a computer. Apart from some stuff dealing with races between different clocks and such, and IO, all the computation in a normal computer happens sync mostly, right? < 1378496999 315965 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i just need to do my homework which is "how much current is running through the wire in this circuit" and shit like that. v. basic < 1378497012 395695 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell itidus19 your quotes are formatted. check the /topic PDF. you are an \ldots{} abuser. < 1378497012 540828 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378497016 348649 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell itidus20 your quotes are formatted. check the /topic PDF. you are an \ldots{} abuser. < 1378497016 494541 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378497017 583802 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes; the only even vaguely async stuff is on the buses < 1378497020 2213 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell itidus21 your quotes are formatted. check the /topic PDF. you are an \ldots{} abuser. < 1378497020 147614 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378497023 598986 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell itidus22 your quotes are formatted. check the /topic PDF. you are an \ldots{} abuser. < 1378497023 744624 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378497033 438629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have the itiduses covered. < 1378497035 63885 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's trying to match different clocks < 1378497041 282620 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who all qualifies for quote formatting < 1378497042 374102 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is impossible without dropping to async somewhere < 1378497043 24721 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw Taneb don't worry, you cannot possibly be worse-prepared for studenting than me and i managed ok < 1378497044 723202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, right, what about interrupts? < 1378497052 103752 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: only itidi. < 1378497056 398548 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they don't work until the next clock cycle < 1378497059 579331 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this sounds like there are a fair few interesting anecdotes < 1378497060 888047 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right < 1378497068 370240 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unsurprising, given that computers can't run instructions between clock cycles anyway < 1378497077 642706 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: like hungarian soup, I conflagrated them. < 1378497089 583357 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! i seriously forgot my pen. wow. can't do shit now. nobody has a pen in an EE building. < 1378497116 646107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, arguably they do in the sense that an instruction can be split over several cycles or several instructions can execute in one? < 1378497121 903232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, don't buses themselves usually have clocks btw? < 1378497124 247978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, not really, i just had very little experience living alone when i left and i adapted pretty quickly to it < 1378497137 235230 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, okay < 1378497144 192983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, anyway is the benefit of async hardware worth it? < 1378497157 622267 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have no idea < 1378497163 351847 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i'm partly interested in async because ~brainz~ < 1378497167 473561 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem with theoretical designs < 1378497173 847229 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a biologist thing < 1378497174 62266 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, it runs faster on average < 1378497179 320976 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: maybe............. < 1378497181 140817 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because synchronous hardware runs at worst-case speed < 1378497188 68123 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asynchronous hardware at average-case on average < 1378497197 943608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember reading about a MIPS CPU that was async < 1378497200 980636 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the circuits are more complex, meaning that it often isn't worth it in practice < 1378497203 511708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an experiment < 1378497220 56573 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are things in the nervous system that are vaguely clock-like in that they send out periodic signals independently of stimulation, but it's a pretty shallow analogy. < 1378497237 307357 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important for e.g. walking without falling flat on your face and dying. < 1378497284 405397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1378497285 723544 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1378497287 231373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1378497335 310357 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a postgrad at York doing something with chemical computers and async operation < 1378497336 291077 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1378497347 630376 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemical computers are cool too. < 1378497362 9586 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kind of like weird-ass computers. if only there was a place to congregate, etc < 1378497416 411987 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm actually writing a paper about asynchronous circuits atm < 1378497417 804729 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :international weird-ass computers conference < 1378497442 483669 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my LaTeX linter is weird. it seems to ignore kmc... < 1378497447 119558 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mock me mnyoqyty < 1378497673 203208 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 726 < 1378497674 739108 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :726) and then I spent much of the rest of the time trying to work out how to implement 3D Hashlife efficiently when at least one of the colors has free will < 1378497678 990376 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any advice on this yet? < 1378497689 629086 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :define free will < 1378497695 747679 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define 3d hashlife < 1378497713 4660 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashlife on 3d moore CAs? < 1378497720 296518 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :define implement < 1378497731 483783 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: basically that the rules involving that color can change at runtime in response to user input < 1378497734 211599 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is important for e.g. walking without falling flat on your face and dying. < 1378497749 159921 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tutor specialises in walking without falling flat on your face and dying! < 1378497761 719138 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he studied insects but you get the drift < 1378497770 151854 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :insects have faces too < 1378497772 316051 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's cool. < 1378497794 182600 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i specialized in walking without falling flat on your face and dying < 1378497812 179988 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically(?) he walks with a cane < 1378497816 858750 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: well the one hashlife concept works regardless, doesn't it? as long as you maintain a speed of light. you'd just have to mark blocks as hving to be recomputed < 1378497819 556002 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's his major breakthrough < 1378497824 645949 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "ironically, he walks with six canes" < 1378497830 554634 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I guess < 1378497848 346167 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually some versions of elliottcraft don't have a speed of light, but adding one would make sense < 1378497882 756463 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Alert character (the one that goes beep when printed) < 1378497890 887902 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's a very informal description for me < 1378497973 434937 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also has a bunch of arthropods in perspex and model ants in his office < 1378497979 633051 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a giant papier mache ant helmet < 1378497991 70257 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uefufl < 1378497993 679989 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful.* < 1378498022 453110 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ♪ your quotes are ready ♪ < 1378498042 40269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1378498048 19708 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :♪ < 1378498068 486410 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::♪) hm < 1378498147 347634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::∢ < 1378498149 775296 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, why haven't you readied my quodes < 1378498153 71649 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quotes < 1378498164 619486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quode Phantom_Hoover < 1378498166 345822 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quode: not found < 1378498183 349622 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because I'm not yet doing the letter “P”. < 1378498193 858485 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Snowflake is my /second/ language that is slightly inspired by my dislike for Java2K < 1378498199 173171 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/ˈæmbiːɛf/ is the first) < 1378498199 625655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if you're asking about Taneb's being done before you, it's because of atriq.) < 1378498209 164948 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's my third if you count Befunge2K, but that was never documented < 1378498236 9800 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's literally "Befunge-98 where all instructions except ; have a 50% chance of doing nothing instead" < 1378498245 179519 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: you are kmc, right? < 1378498250 374222 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, ais523 < 1378498253 802789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1378498256 865391 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I just tried to tab-complete my primary nick < 1378498262 431288 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /could/ work, it just doesn't < 1378498269 534690 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mkdir predicament. < 1378498385 696912 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also guess I also have several other thoughts on the matter, but they are too wide-ranging and not directly relevant, so I will save them for The Manifesto. < 1378498390 663777 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that ever happen? because it seems ominous < 1378498428 766684 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh! another document to latexify! :D < 1378498450 214876 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which document? < 1378498471 785186 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: the The Manifesto. < 1378498475 508501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kumquat) < 1378498485 554278 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels slightly trolled < 1378498552 532237 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: in two parts. 1) cpressey mentionned an obscure Manifesto, that I wish to latexify. 2) http://www.kimmok.com/THE-MANIFESTO-MANIFESTO < 1378498555 451856 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparently atehwa uses an ä in his or her eodermdrome programs < 1378498563 166081 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even legal? < 1378498584 447517 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: who are you? are you approximative? I like your spurrious diæresification. < 1378498591 678066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, yes < 1378498617 319631 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is, I just said "letters" < 1378498621 325760 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec just says 'characters', with absolutely no qualification < 1378498641 634099 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, now people who speak languages other than English have an advantage over me in eodermdrome-writing < 1378498662 833024 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have an advantage over the americans! < 1378498672 444512 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I at least have an ë to play with < 1378498748 551632 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strange how most people deny its existence) < 1378498758 328933 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also according to the books I originally learned the alphabet from, & is a letter < 1378498850 990120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«éperluette», which means “and by itself, and”. it was the 27th letter. < 1378498879 624406 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that French for "ampersand"? < 1378498904 608734 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I remember that in Gödel, Escher, Bach, Hofstadter used ""/«»/»« quotes to distinguish English, French, and German) < 1378498937 466089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«» is perfectly valid for quoting in English. < 1378498948 878934 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the proper glyph name in French, but nobody uses it. everyone calls it «et commercial». < 1378498954 930017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen »« in English, though. < 1378499010 320835 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, doesn't French have more than 26 letters /anyway/? < 1378499017 227719 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. é < 1378499107 829862 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't count as extra letters. < 1378499168 616101 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… so ä is OK in Eodermdrome, but é isn't? < 1378499253 673267 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends in which context you use «é». In French, it is equivalent to a regular «e» (or è, ê and ë for that matter), just with a small pixelly smudge over it. < 1378499282 794739 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you are nicely quoted. stop bathrooming with sgeo. hand. hth. < 1378499289 582094 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what < 1378499307 642825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: the /topic PDF includes your quotes now. < 1378499308 716634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«mnoqy» < 1378499332 345238 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«“「mnoqy」”» < 1378499341 720292 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ! < 1378499512 456506 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oops i forgot about sending you that thing... i'll look into it in a bit < 1378499512 638083 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now though: chapter 2 name proposal: The Things of Wisdomme < 1378499601 456356 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1378499610 918393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: doing your quotes! < 1378499630 548231 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes nooodl < 1378499635 996301 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23957 < 1378499646 97760 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exciting < 1378499666 848311 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy. fungot. < 1378499666 993593 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there < 1378499678 535107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even used /no+dl/ for your name match. < 1378499819 122962 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, good quote nooodl < 1378499826 495024 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.241.175.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thx" < 1378499867 956043 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378499998 888927 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ab5:99ff:fef3:f256 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378500051 367710 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. the linter fears kmc, now that I'm oerjanning. < 1378500260 11681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what, you have duplicate quotes????? < 1378500308 684065 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes? and? < 1378500525 312325 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan you are quoted. peruse the PDF. < 1378500525 494239 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378500595 503491 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generic Identity Question: are oklopol and oklofok the same person? < 1378500638 492197 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1378500643 143647 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense < 1378500671 519754 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it just happens that neither has quotes. so they can freely be who they are. < 1378500678 297259 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1378500680 989056 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be right < 1378500684 138024 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklopol < 1378500685 600709 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :28) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 30) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list \ 32) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 43) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 53) hmm, this is hard \ 5 < 1378500722 140626 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops. typo on my end, then. < 1378500728 665961 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklorientation: 32 is the only quote there that I think is made up < 1378500769 245807 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: indeed. the okloes have 76 quotes in all. < 1378500792 670111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okos < 1378500868 942299 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I may have missed some Gregor quotes. aurgh. < 1378500901 564540 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :false alarm. I complete Gregor. < 1378500906 901564 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1378500934 521399 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 32 just doesn't make any sense at all < 1378501147 295843 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 28 and 30 i completely believe though < 1378501182 203066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe many things that aren't in the quotes. < 1378501368 477075 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I mathematically hate you. < 1378501384 124832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1378501394 580076 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lastseen oklopol < 1378501394 844457 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait. it's only a polynomial. < 1378501396 30537 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: lastseen: not found < 1378501402 14242 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1378501433 487981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1378501433 670020 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 15m 8s ago: you are quoted. peruse the PDF. < 1378501489 587491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen oklopol < 1378501495 468967 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-08-28 21:20:53: meaning with, in, by, respectively; i think < 1378501519 623081 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that recently? < 1378501526 336850 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't noticed him in ages < 1378501581 559248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you become invisible to scots < 1378501620 365477 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I didn’t get far with the poset functor thing. For A : C, F A : D, if i have a Fo : A → F A for the objects and you give me an (A → B), corresponding to a true (A ≤ B), i’m supposed to give you a (F A → F B), corresponding to a true (F A ≤ F B), is this right? I’m not sure i have enough building blocks for that. < 1378501698 966075 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, The Okloes are quoted. < 1378501704 743017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What do you mean by Fo : A → F A? < 1378501709 545547 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go retrogaming! < 1378501711 153685 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1378501712 736364 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378501742 567405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that → an arrow in one of the categories or some other thing? < 1378501879 536362 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I read somewhere that a functor F : C → D involves F₀ : A → F A for the objects and F₁ : (A → B) → (F A → F B) for the arrows. I think the C → D, A → F A and F₁ : (…) → (…) arrows were supposed to be function arrows. Or something. Did i read something bad or misinterpret it? < 1378501930 224703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sure, as long as it's clear that that's different from the → arrow inside the category (which is just a ≤ relationship). < 1378501949 143789 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I guess my only remaining hope for Snowflake is to get oerjan or Keymaker or someone interested in it < 1378501954 387016 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just do it all myself < 1378501968 428794 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cry internally at the esocommunity's lack of interest in esolangs < 1378501974 324905 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes < 1378501983 201247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So a functor F has F₀, which maps each object in C to an object in D, and F₁, which "maps" ≤ relationships. < 1378502006 438933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much what you said. < 1378502017 415789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a function between posets which is order-preserving. < 1378502058 431881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that if x ≤ y then f(x) ≤ f(y) < 1378502067 169729 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378502071 531460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo Is there a name for those monads which are implementable even if bind can call its continuation at most 1 time? <-- i don't know but the STMonadTrans package refers to those without a name. < 1378502071 676568 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378502075 607866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. a monotonic function. < 1378502080 655477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monotonically increasing.) < 1378502126 574489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo or well, i assume it's essentially the same. < 1378502126 725059 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378502355 327348 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So… am i supposed to be able to make one in general? < 1378502366 433511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "make"? < 1378502393 57776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say we have the poset category N of natural numbers. < 1378502399 828514 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the exercise was to define F₁. So far we only have “type signatures”. < 1378502409 506384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1378502435 378473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's at most one arrow between the object F A and F B. < 1378502442 146401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just have to show that it exists. < 1378502562 149352 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure how to do that. < 1378502651 211855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, take any monotonic function from N to N, for example. < 1378502674 788834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a "functor" that maps an object x to the object x+1. < 1378502686 356492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if x≤y, then x+1≤y+1 < 1378502691 143628 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378502753 701227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't understand what you mean. < 1378502897 709339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal was adjunctions or something like that, right? < 1378502959 514305 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the false impression that i should find a general definition of F₁ for any F : C → D, but i suppose the definition depends on the specific C and D. < 1378502985 454365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1378503001 790567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we have the definition of a functor, which is F₀ and F₁ which follow some laws. < 1378503045 991669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The laws are trivial when you're talking about posets, by the way.) < 1378503097 55991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when you're specifying some particular functor, you give a specific definition of F₁. < 1378503110 781620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :F₁ id = id; F₁ f ∘ F₁ g = F₁ (f ∘ g); anything else? < 1378503131 144374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the laws. < 1378503136 590753 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1378503167 64700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's a "type law" of sorts, which is that if f : A -> B then F₁ F : F₀ A -> F₀ B < 1378503188 481061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Usually people don't bother writing F₀ and F₁, just F. Or, in Haskell, they write fmap instead of F₁.) < 1378503209 245462 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1378503258 323464 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1378503260 271285 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1378503272 683632 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1378503347 749296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what those empty squares are < 1378503353 379195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i have two say minimal compact dynamical systems X and Y, is there a name for the following: for any morphism \phi : X \times Y \to X, there's a function \psi : X \to X such that \phi(x, y) = \psi(x) for all x, y < 1378503383 385402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a morphism < 1378503392 978629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuous function that commutes with the dynamics < 1378503412 287027 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for a moment I thought oerjan was asking what morphisms are in general < 1378503419 820830 :CallForJudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got really confused, because I expected him to know < 1378503425 541476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1378503450 925967 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thanks for the explanations. I should start reading Awodey’s book at some point. < 1378503466 176672 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378503471 317846 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Snowflake < 1378503473 274413 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378503474 41528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: by what you write, phi is independent of y < 1378503474 818942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Awodey has some great videos -- a few hours -- that you could watch. < 1378503475 183648 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1378503480 224829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1378503496 165651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, cool. /me googles < 1378503504 330271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently i say "X is independent from Y" for this < 1378503512 683194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :opm" http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/research/summerschool/summer12/curriculum.html < 1378503513 357429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just wondering if there's a name < 1378503518 106973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, ion: < 1378503535 657470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember one < 1378503538 44660 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :djsvjsg" thanks < 1378503547 768953 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a relatively useful concept for minimal systems; at least it seems to be exactly what is needed for computing the endomorphisms of certain toeplitz subshifts < 1378503563 434737 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1378503571 435615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta sleep < 1378503581 739740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1378503593 209927 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kuolema kuittaa univelat. < 1378503768 363753 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378504015 542870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The next step is natural transformations, I guess! < 1378504192 60787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a natural step < 1378504204 492070 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo, i missed oklopol again < 1378504225 766360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly something eerie is going on < 1378504256 618151 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close and yet so far < 1378504641 305458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Death to reset the sleep-deprived? < 1378504717 556503 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death will pay off the sleep debt < 1378504721 203604 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote okokoko < 1378504723 142429 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378505051 603286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oklopol say okokoko a bit in #esoteric so we can `addquote it < 1378505051 748635 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378505057 40992 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait < 1378505066 376008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog okokokoko < 1378505083 776377 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19632 < 1378505091 269383 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1378505108 11882 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378505251 519665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i call rule 34 on rule 110" < 1378505275 917885 :solidoodlesuppor!~solijohn@rrcs-24-103-111-118.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378505326 961095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, how hard could it be? < 1378505424 665883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i mean it's turing complete < 1378505459 866972 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone has the same taste as turing though < 1378505500 561985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1378505579 707528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should do something... tomorrow maybe? < 1378505602 225999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow: procrastinating < 1378505634 214126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing things: overrated? or not? < 1378505663 527587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably! < 1378505680 58233 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEANWHILE IN /R/BITCOIN^WWORLDNEWS: http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1kw1nd/not_a_conspiracy_anymore/cbtdfzh < 1378505684 140120 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378505713 513766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a "bitcoin" credit card today, so this bitcoin thing must be "getting somewhere" < 1378505726 318582 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1378505813 869689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bitcoin' ``credit'' ```card''' < 1378505815 114159 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bitcoin': not found < 1378505838 585185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been a debit card but the distinction is lost on me < 1378505912 651837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good night? < 1378505912 834226 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1378505914 788970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it actually bitcoin-enabled in some way < 1378505921 76433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it just like have a bitcoin logo on it < 1378505952 436420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it was connected to a bitcoin exchange and you could sell bitcoins to have the balance directly deposited on your card < 1378505975 140309 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought bitcoins were useless for up-front transactions < 1378505983 516442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and I know that's just a bit of the ^style list, stop cheating < 1378505983 661557 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these, too < 1378506006 876651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how do you mean < 1378506017 448113 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, myself, will bring an end to all. everything in readiness for fnord! < 1378506053 839805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnorderdämmerung < 1378506080 571827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :die erdämmerung der fnord < 1378506131 232363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: doing things can be nice but not doing things has its own charm < 1378506162 971119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does playing mölkky count as doing things or no < 1378506179 74830 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it has a long-ish transaction delay or something? < 1378506184 30094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378506189 539065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of physical merchants seem to not care though < 1378506193 840363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky question < 1378506198 328342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo i don't care < 1378506228 128470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they use a transaction processor that converts BTC immediately into bilderberg conspiracy fiat currency, and guarantees them against fraud (like cc processors do) < 1378506247 42040 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the risk again < 1378506267 931388 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you buy a croissant, eat it, then cancel the transaction before it goes through> < 1378506285 992207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :going via "bilderberg conspiracy fiat currency" sounds quite reliable < 1378506314 575111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw on the topic of the bilderbergs i would like to once again recommend THEM: adventures with extremists < 1378506355 948747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you sure they guarantee *against* fraud, rather than e.g. guaranteeing fraud? (I also idly wonder which one of those is more likely to give your money back) < 1378506366 332986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the risk is double spend < 1378506381 818332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel i guess would mean you double spend also by sending it to yrself < 1378506438 218557 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, you override the earlier transaction with a second one that sends the money elsewhere? < 1378506476 758275 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the jist is you send two transactions out at once, and hope the other one gets included in the block chain? < 1378506504 64848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you exactly how it works < 1378506534 417560 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i get it now < 1378506549 212553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you dont care which one gets included < 1378506552 872162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you got two things < 1378506556 581132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the price of one < 1378506570 211211 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a miner will accept two transactions coming from the same money? < 1378506570 356362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378506572 255013 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they'll reject it < 1378506574 607194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1378506579 583875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still have two croissants < 1378506585 622519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh XD < 1378506668 444833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so merkhants are advised to wait for the netwrk to agree on the transxn < 1378506695 395315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a discrete thing but the longer you wait, the less likely it will change its mind < 1378506719 674905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is discrete in units of blocks, which take avg 10 min to make) < 1378506749 223142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people dont wanna wait 10 min for a croissont much less 30 < 1378506758 667772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your btc bakery must take this risk < 1378506763 946483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pay someone else to assume the risk < 1378506777 891126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case that third party can also run an instantaneous change to money that is actually useful to your business < 1378506801 666806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know because your landlord and croissont supplier probably don't accept bitcoin (dupes of the global banker hegemony that they are) < 1378506804 746092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1378506806 307291 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$@" > /dev/null; echo Complaint filed. Thank you.; < 1378506829 524980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/null < 1378506830 716250 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378506837 638864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no complaints, how nice. < 1378506874 611909 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, are you drunk or are your hands badly injured < 1378506905 906193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :painting nails < 1378506917 491247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, both? < 1378506925 778063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's neither < 1378506928 878175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s /dev/null complaints < 1378506931 643870 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he's done smoething very very wrong with acetone < 1378506932 671738 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378506934 471483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dronk on ethyl acetate fumes < 1378506958 718742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'wc -l complaints' > bin/complaints; chmod +x bin/complaints < 1378506962 271763 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378506963 367671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1378506964 860942 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 complaints < 1378507051 445446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1378507061 935840 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh good (i just asked in case your hands were too badly injured to alert the emergency services) < 1378507096 863593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's#/dev/null#complaints#' bin/complain < 1378507099 341291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you would call for me 0818 999 88911 9119725 3 < 1378507100 800862 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378507109 880460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/>/>>/' bin/complain < 1378507113 729868 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378507118 36711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think these days the preferred way to alert the police is twitter < 1378507139 104267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/;$//' bin/complain < 1378507140 613327 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they actually notice < 1378507143 9875 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378507147 845356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't think that will handle the complaits already made. i suggest modifying the `list method. < 1378507154 517836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+n < 1378507158 448593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm? < 1378507163 448840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It handles them very well. < 1378507176 518263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/complain < 1378507177 694019 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/complain < 1378507182 386426 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1378507183 802692 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$@" >> complaints; echo Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378507188 689638 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1378507199 272921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Alternatively: I suggest that you file that as a complaint. < 1378507210 643983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1378507225 249551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain oerjan won't do his complaint duty < 1378507226 373563 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1378507228 513443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1378507229 907955 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 complaints < 1378507303 639816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'See misspellings of croissant' >wisdom/'croissont supplier' < 1378507307 859799 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378507933 192124 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :myndzi > 1378507933 330171 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378507975 75211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't have HackEgo and myndzi have different length flags. or wait... < 1378508000 625857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be broken anyway. < 1378508023 57416 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1378508365 313483 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we +q myndzi instead < 1378508366 370313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if myndzi has voice, i demand voice! \o/ < 1378508366 751372 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                       | < 1378508366 910235 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                       |\ < 1378508598 854872 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :myndzi > 1378508598 877882 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378508617 778451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can't have _that_. < 1378508636 952606 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1378508768 487238 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1378508898 949610 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378508945 872348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: yes <-- i believe the " , please" makes your answer incorrect unless you actually do it < 1378509000 382630 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378509010 326929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you use it zzo38-style? < 1378509037 157865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERM < 1378509040 6135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT SURE < 1378509084 449826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.*please < 1378509096 983542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.*, please.?$ < 1378509111 174531 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-04.txt:20:30:31: cheater99: Hay you! Stop cheating, please! < 1378509111 319852 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-18.txt:04:32:11: Maybe submit the report and then they can correct it please. < 1378509151 95480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.*, please.?$ < 1378509151 327438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.*, please.?$ < 1378509151 535674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.*, please.?$ < 1378509159 434751 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-09.txt:04:06:50: Unicode works for some things, but you should not always use it, please. < 1378509159 852866 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-12.txt:06:10:35: If you can't use geosynchronous orbits for triangulation, then it would be the idea that if you have satellites that need triangulation, remember to don't make them geosynchronous, please. < 1378509160 580132 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-10.txt:01:56:49: O, go drink hydroxic acid, please. < 1378509171 448206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1378509181 997642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I THINK YOUR THEORY IS BADLY SUPPORTED < 1378509184 544847 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that zzo lashing out in anger < 1378509192 94620 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if so... < 1378509201 72583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.* please\?$ < 1378509202 152302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.* please\?$ < 1378509202 504086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.* please\?$ < 1378509209 364920 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-03-13.txt:05:29:13: oerjan: Can you ask elliott to correct it please? < 1378509209 740987 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-04-04.txt:07:17:02: Quadrescence: Why do you think that, please? < 1378509210 462355 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-20.txt:22:11:21: Not exactly what it does? Can you elaborate on that please? < 1378509228 104569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.* please\?$ < 1378509228 312129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38>.* please\?$ < 1378509232 464800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1378509232 876295 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-02.txt:08:08:11: Do you have better idea please? < 1378509233 976864 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-30.txt:03:20:12: pikhq: Does it depend on how it is generated? Can you give details please? < 1378509272 545322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: give up already. or it least use `pastelogs < 1378509285 177267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo38>.* please\?$ < 1378509300 796388 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24912 < 1378509313 124029 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quadrescence used to be in here? < 1378509321 97656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo38>.* please.?$ < 1378509335 535281 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20462 < 1378509347 425612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Do you know them from #lisp? < 1378509354 872885 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few other places, yes < 1378509380 496948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at < 1378509659 129583 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1378510334 883322 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378510551 793372 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378510589 942706 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378510611 210359 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let me verify something: in the category of matrices with multiplication, are the objects natural numbers corresponding to matrix dimensions? < 1378510622 819535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1378510626 203814 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks < 1378510629 641301 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO was bathrooming with me?!?!? < 1378510656 459323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: There's another way to look at that category: The objects are R^n for natural numbers n, and the arrows are linear maps. < 1378510712 234503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the CIA < 1378510799 842395 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Why would the World Health Organization do that? < 1378510834 71235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm, interesting. < 1378510878 996133 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1378510882 275269 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378511011 989685 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378511014 74789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1378511145 947046 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1378511168 448719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, baht < 1378511233 354710 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.47.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1378511737 684378 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.103 JOIN :#esoteric