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00:29:34 <ion> Finished System Shock 2.
00:37:39 <kmc> :D
00:37:45 <kmc> that game rules
00:38:01 <kmc> if you liked it you should play Deus Ex too
00:39:26 <Phantom_Hoover> i should maybe play it sometime
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01:17:18 <Sgeo> "DO NOT EDIT YOUR REGISTRY!
01:17:18 <Sgeo> Thats the worst thing to do to windows. It will eventually mess itself up and there will be an exploit for spyware. "
01:17:40 <Bike_> sound's bad
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01:18:11 <Sgeo> I want a fun way to wreck Windows XP
01:20:23 <pikhq> deltree c:
01:20:55 <Sgeo> deltree doesn't exist in WinXP, and I tried an equivalent and it was somewhat boring
01:21:13 <Bike> take the case and just smash it up with a hammer
01:21:15 <Bike> just fucking smash it
01:21:23 <pikhq> P. sure it's a VM.
01:21:31 <Bike> who cares smash it
01:21:33 <Sgeo> "Install it."
01:21:46 <Bike> just wham
01:21:53 <Bike> right in the fucking drive motherfucker
01:22:10 <pikhq> Boot two or three instances of the VM using the same filesystem image.
01:22:25 <oerjan> i sense a market for a vm with a smash button hth
01:22:27 <pikhq> So they mutate the FS and each other one is unaware of it.
01:22:39 <Sgeo> I think that would require taking the filesystem image and making it take up real space on my HD
01:22:44 <Sgeo> At least in VirtualBox
01:22:48 <Sgeo> But that does sound fun
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01:30:53 <Sgeo> Someone said that NT actually supports that, pikhq
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01:53:07 <Sgeo> Ooh I could try a fork bomb
02:05:58 <doesthiswork> dijkstra is an excellent blogger; "But such co-operation is of course based on the theory that, when you tie two stones together, the combination will float."
02:11:54 <Sgeo> Ooh I know how I can delete system files while the VM is off
02:15:51 <Sgeo> Windows XP seems to tolerate exploer.exe not existing surprisingly well
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02:16:34 <^v> Sgeo, yeah?
02:16:39 <^v> it can be corrupt
02:16:40 <^v> :P
02:16:51 <Sgeo> Takes a bit of time at the login thing, then boots into just the wallpaper being visible
02:16:53 <^v> nothing will happen, you will just have to use cmd
02:17:00 <FreeFull> Sgeo: Infect it with viruses
02:17:07 <Sgeo> Ctrl-Alt-Del works just fine, so could start programs like that
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03:13:29 <Sgeo> I miss Microsoft Ants
03:14:51 <Bike> sgeo do you ever feel nostalgic for things that were actually good
03:16:38 <Sgeo> I think most of the things that I feel nostalgic for that you might consider good still exist
03:17:05 <oerjan> how logical
03:17:30 <Sgeo> Mutation was good, I feel nostalgic for it, it no longer exists.
03:18:04 <oerjan> mutation could not escape changing
03:36:23 <tswett> doesthiswork: what's the two-stones-float quote from?
03:36:30 <tswett> Inb4 "dijkstra hth"
03:36:46 <tswett> I just think it's so *weird* how "Frosted Flakes" isn't a trademark.
03:36:53 <tswett> Anyone can make a cereal and call it Frosted Flakes.
03:37:08 <tswett> You can't make a hat and call it Frosted Flakes, because Kellogg's owns the trademark on Frosted Flakes brand hats.
03:37:22 <tswett> But not for Frosted Flakes cereal; that's public domain.
03:37:48 <Bike> is wearing cereal as a hat trademarked?
03:37:52 <tswett> There's a trademark for "Kellogg's Frosted Flakes". But if you look it up, it specifically says that "no claim is made to the exclusive right to use 'Frosted Flakes'".
03:38:19 <tswett> Bike: I doubt it, but it could be!
03:38:38 <tswett> You could make and sell little figurines wearing cereal as a hat, and then file a trademark for wearing cereal as a hat.
03:39:40 <doesthiswork> tswett: ewd 1175
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03:41:28 <tswett> I'm actually kind of surprised that Kellogg's doesn't have a trademark for something like "the words 'Frosted Flakes' in white on a blue background".
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03:47:58 <tswett> Something I really like about trademark law: in order for a company to retain the exclusive rights to a trademark even when it's being used generically (e.g. "photoshopped"), the company has to "visibly and actively seem to attempt" to get people to stop using it generically.
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03:48:14 <tswett> It doesn't matter whether they succeed or not. All that's required is that they look like they're trying.
03:48:35 <Bike> what's the point of maintaining a genericized trademark
03:49:13 <tswett> I guess the word "Photoshop" is still a completely valid trademark; it's still illegal for anyone else to make software called Photoshop.
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04:06:31 <Sgeo> http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296158
04:08:34 * Bike skips to latest strip. evil dwarf ok
04:20:21 <oerjan> Bike: bad move, the link was about the _first_ strip hth
04:20:38 <Bike> y es
04:30:10 <kmc> ESSID:"LA_face_OAK_booty" // in Oakland
04:32:09 <kmc> also OH: "I have a dumbphone whose IMEI is all zeroes"
04:59:12 -!- kmc has set topic: Amor vincit omnia | 22nd IOCCC is open: http://ioccc.org/2013/rules.txt | jsvine is doing an esolang survey! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q/viewform | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric.
05:02:42 <Bike> i ain't gettin this latin shite
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05:08:43 <shachaf> `olist (911)
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05:14:01 <oerjan> wat and i checked just an hour ago
05:14:34 <oerjan> Bike: you should be able to get it with enough love hth
05:16:16 <Jafet> Ascendo tuum*
05:16:31 <oerjan> fungot: you seem to be the only reliable bot here
05:16:31 <fungot> oerjan:, so i'd have to consider that although the reduction in actual transportation section from former friend lives, their door had my computer with full u+ support" then they both bowed low. just keep the safe or tub and emptied it
05:17:11 <shachaf> oerjan: What, I'm not reliable?
05:17:38 <oerjan> Gregor: your bots have croaked hth
05:18:17 <oerjan> shachaf: there might be another way in which you don't fit that sentence hth
05:18:31 <shachaf> aristophanes: your frogs have croaked hth
05:18:39 <shachaf> oerjan: are you suggesting that i'm not here
05:18:43 <shachaf> p. sure you'll find that i am
05:18:45 <oerjan> brekekex brekekex
05:19:59 <oerjan> *+ke/g
05:21:03 <oerjan> also why does belkar call varsuuvius "she" tdnh
05:21:13 <oerjan> *+a-u
05:21:39 <shachaf> what else would he call her hth
05:30:23 <tswett> +LnpctC
05:31:35 <Gracenotes> might be in SF tomorrow. not sure.
05:32:32 <shachaf> hi Gracenotes
05:32:41 <Gracenotes> shachaf: are you back south again?
05:32:54 <shachaf> Does Salt Lake City count as south?
05:33:00 <Gracenotes> I suppose so
05:33:08 <Gracenotes> what's interesting round there?
05:33:26 <shachaf> Inside the airport? Not all that much, I think.
05:35:34 <Gracenotes> I think I know some people from there?
05:36:31 <Gracenotes> yeah... I don't plan on going to Utah ever
05:39:23 <Gracenotes> I tend to observe trends for places for native people advising for or against going there
05:40:33 <Gracenotes> Though if my sampling was actually uniform, I would probably get a better rate for many places
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06:09:48 <Sgeo> I want to write a Python script, but the script would be incredibly dangerous to run by accident.
06:10:05 <kmc> make it require -f
06:10:07 <kmc> also hi Sgeo
06:10:10 <Sgeo> -f?
06:10:12 <Sgeo> Hi
06:11:55 <Sgeo> I could check if I'm on Windows 8 and if so abort
06:12:09 <Bike> this sounds like an exciting script
06:13:18 <Sgeo> It will attempt to delete every entry in the Registry recursively
06:13:26 <Bike> i was right
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06:43:59 <Sgeo> `olist 911
06:45:31 <Sgeo> uh
06:45:43 <Sgeo> shachaf: oerjan
06:45:48 <shachaf> Sgeo.....................
06:45:52 <Sgeo> FreeFull: I think?
06:46:00 <Sgeo> Oh
06:46:04 <Sgeo> I blame HackEgo
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07:06:13 <Gracenotes> Sgeo: oh, just use /proc/registry
07:06:22 <Gracenotes> very easy
07:06:42 <Sgeo> o.O
07:06:49 <Sgeo> I thought that you were making a joke
07:07:05 <Sgeo> Cygwin does actually expose a /proc/registry
07:07:18 <Bike> `thanks cygwin
07:07:28 <Bike> hackego no
07:07:30 <Gracenotes> er. yes. that's what I meant. also, really.
07:08:36 <Gracenotes> although like much of rest of real-/proc, it seems to be readonly
07:09:22 <Sgeo> :(
07:10:59 <Gracenotes> also, did you know that it is not possible to use the internet and also be libertarian. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/a-plea-to-learn-more-about-bezoss-personal-politics/2013/08/15/27164286-05e7-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html
07:11:36 <Bike> why is everyone freaking out about bezos now. the post was always shit
07:11:57 <Bike> as evidenced by this article, no less
07:12:54 <Gracenotes> yeah, I dunno for the most part, I find the argument here conservative and little else; we'll see.
07:13:29 <Bike> there are certainly better arguments to be made against libertarianism than "lol cold war"
07:14:18 <Bike> but that's the level of discourse, i guess
07:14:55 <Gracenotes> hm, the cold war was pretty good for science, we should definitely bring that back
07:16:12 <Bike> makes sense
07:18:04 <Gracenotes> while I'm linking... my Google News comes up with interesting things sometimes. http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?14106-Drzewiecki-Design-New-York-City-X-v1-1-Released
07:18:18 <Gracenotes> of note, in v1.1, "It will enhance the performance of the product, by optimizing the Virtual Address Space memory usage."
07:19:56 <Gracenotes> "Extras like people, wave effects, custom car traffic, ships and boats, cranes, hundrieds of fuel storage tanks, various library objects etc."
07:22:01 <Gracenotes> Anyway, go engineers.
07:22:10 <Gracenotes> not real engineers, software engineers.
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08:09:05 <zzo38> In this book of philosophy they discuss various philosophical problems.
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08:12:53 <mnoqy> i agree
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08:40:05 <kmc> hi shachaf
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09:37:37 <Vorpal> Interesting, transfer speed over ssh to my phone maxes out at around 2.4 MB/s (from phone), but if I do several logins in parallel to my phone it seems each connection (up to a max of 4) maxes out at 2.4 MB/s. This would imply that it is in some way CPU bound (since it has 4 CPU cores).
09:39:36 <Jafet> Since you have an ssh, you could run top
10:00:55 <shachaf> hi kmc
10:01:17 <kmc> hi shachaf
10:01:29 * shachaf is back
10:01:46 <kmc> an interstellar burst, you're back to save the universe
10:02:39 <shachaf> my flight ended up landing at 1:something instead of 23
10:03:16 <kmc> did you get home?
10:03:25 <shachaf> just now
10:03:43 <kmc> what do you think of air travel
10:03:55 <zzo38> If God told you to sacrifice your child at the top of the mountain, would you do so?
10:04:16 <shachaf> zzo38: Which mountain?
10:04:27 <shachaf> kmc: not a big fan but the alternatives are often worse
10:04:41 <zzo38> shachaf: I am not sure. It could be any one, I suppose.
10:05:04 <kmc> zzo38: I don't have a child so I don't think I can know
10:05:16 <zzo38> kmc: Good.
10:05:28 <kmc> should i have a child
10:05:32 <kmc> seems like a pretty bad move
10:05:40 <zzo38> Probably you shouldn't.
10:05:46 <shachaf> bad moves make good movies hth
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10:06:13 <shachaf> should i move out of epa
10:06:16 <shachaf> seems like a pretty good move
10:06:58 <kmc> yes
10:07:04 <kmc> you should move to san francisco
10:07:11 <shachaf> kmc: was that a hi with a purpose or just a hi
10:07:12 <zzo38> When are a bunch of stages to be considered parts of the same continuing object? (ex. a solid beeswax melting, a person growing up to be adult, etc)
10:07:22 <kmc> i'm not sure
10:07:27 <shachaf> #drugz
10:07:51 <zzo38> This book gives one possible answer which is pretty long, but I have a simpler answer. My answer is: Always.
10:08:59 <kmc> zzo38: you have the buddha nature
10:09:33 <zzo38> kmc: I have been told similar things before. (I am not 100% sure of it, though.)
10:09:46 <kmc> as well you shouldn't be!
10:11:00 <kmc> Gracenotes: what will you do in SF?
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10:14:56 <zzo38> One thing this book says, is, if you have two completely identical pennies including location and so on. Is there still two pennies? They didn't answer this, but I think for one thing it will have twice the mass of a single penny. There is also other laws of physics preventing it from working.
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10:20:50 <Gracenotes> kmc: if I go, probably lunch with someone from NY, but dunno after
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10:25:04 <Gracenotes> I really have no clue :x
10:25:33 <shachaf> Gracenotes: should i get a haircut tomorrow
10:29:38 <Gracenotes> I got a haircut today
10:30:07 <Gracenotes> well, I do meet a bunch of people whose haircut on their badge does not match that on their head
10:30:41 <shachaf> by tomorrow i meant today i suppose
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11:08:46 <zzo38> Have you come up with the idea of quantum immortality independently?
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15:38:52 <fizzie> Hrm. I've been trying to stick an Emacs on the Windows system I have here, but no matter what I do w.r.t. font selection (elisp set-face-attribute 'default, or the Options/Set default font customize-driven thing) and which font I select, it just says 'Invalid font name: "-outline-SimSun-ExtB-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1"'.
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16:40:39 <Sgeo> ...is Down to Earth offline permanently? :)
16:40:40 <Sgeo> :(
16:40:42 <Sgeo> Not a :)
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18:15:05 <Phantom_Hoover> man, hating notch became fashionable at some point
18:15:11 <Phantom_Hoover> this sucks
18:16:45 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, imagine if Notch made a brainfuck derivative
18:17:30 <Phantom_Hoover> have you read fine structure perchance
18:17:37 <Taneb> I have not
18:17:46 <Taneb> Neither have I watched Farscape
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18:18:21 <Taneb> Anyway, I must be off
18:18:22 <Taneb> Bye!
18:18:30 <Phantom_Hoover> are you off to watch farscape
18:18:36 <Taneb> No
18:18:38 <Phantom_Hoover> if so: i approve
18:18:41 <Taneb> I am off to eat
18:18:42 <Phantom_Hoover> if not: watch farscape
18:18:48 <Phantom_Hoover> far better than that whedon crap you like
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18:19:25 <shachaf> kmc: i brought the mölkky back with me hth
18:19:29 <shachaf> (and some other things)
18:21:49 <Koen_> is that the weird wooden petanque
18:23:20 <Phantom_Hoover> it sounds finnish
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19:31:38 <Bike> http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2013/08/13/alleged-data-manipulation-in-nano-letters-and-acs-nano-from-the-pease-group/ 9000 hours in ms paint.
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21:51:37 <kmc> http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity386.html
21:52:06 <Taneb> kmc, my ISP is claiming that that is pornography and thus I cannot access it
21:52:14 <Bike> your isp is right on the mark
21:52:17 <Phantom_Hoover> Taneb, for real
21:52:23 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, yep
21:52:31 <Phantom_Hoover> chilling
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21:52:34 <Phantom_Hoover> what isp are you on
21:52:37 <Taneb> TalkTalk
21:52:39 <Bike> oh. wait. yeah, that's weird
21:53:11 <Bike> you uk people. i heard about greenwald's partner too. glad i live in a nation of free dom unlike you
21:54:22 <Phantom_Hoover> Taneb, oh, a mobile thing?
21:54:29 <Taneb> No?
21:54:45 <Phantom_Hoover> damn
21:55:59 <Taneb> Of course, I know the password, so I could change the setting
21:56:18 <Phantom_Hoover> but you... won't?
21:56:40 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, I enjoy my rare moments of grumpiness, allow me to relish it
21:56:56 <kmc> is this the UK pornofilter
21:57:05 <Phantom_Hoover> i thought it hadn't been implemented yet
21:57:29 <Phantom_Hoover> i still can't quite believe that they will, it seems that cynical and posturing
21:57:32 <kmc> anyway calling jerkcity pornography is uh... well I guess everything is pornography to someone
21:57:41 <Taneb> The UK pornofilter was basically "keep doing what you're doing, just now the government gets the credit"
21:57:51 <Taneb> Plus a whole load of misinformation
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21:58:03 <Phantom_Hoover> idk, virgin don't have a pornofilter afaik
21:58:30 <Phantom_Hoover> it wasn't the industry standard
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21:58:43 <fizzie> What, it's some sort of a thing to make songs with Minecraft note blocks and upload videos of them in YouTube?
21:58:46 <fizzie> (In retrospect, I have no idea why that'd be surprising at all.)
21:59:01 <Bike> blugh, logs down again
21:59:29 <elliott> Taneb: no, only talktalk had that kind of opt-in porn filter (afaik)
21:59:42 <elliott> the plan was to mandatorily extend it to everyone else too
21:59:51 <Taneb> Was it? Oh
22:00:28 <Bike> kmc: to be fair,it is titled "watch me jerk off"
22:00:42 <Bike> (#esoteric is now porn)
22:00:58 <Phantom_Hoover> #esoteric's been porn for a long time
22:03:47 <kmc> Bike: your link re: photoshopped science led me to http://tocrofl.tumblr.com/
22:04:39 <Bike> oh good, i was considering making a tumblr for silly science things due to "The writer must admit that he has had no introspections from rabbits to justify this conclusion" in a footnote
22:05:34 <Bike> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ol401012u welp
22:06:56 <^v> kmc: gotta love that hot filimant
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22:08:21 <Bike> "The human brain, with its three-dimensional evolution history, often finds it difficult to visualize 2N -dimensional spin system trajectories, particularly for large values of N and especially on Fridays." ain't that the truth
22:11:22 -!- oerjan has set topic: Amor vincit somnia | 22nd IOCCC is open: http://ioccc.org/2013/rules.txt | jsvine is doing an esolang survey! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q/viewform | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric.
22:17:27 <kmc> :)
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23:49:26 <kmc> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/sup-talk/2013-August/004993.html remote command injection via email attachment filename
23:50:01 <Bike> Wait, pipermail is email. Are you trying to heck me, kmc.
23:51:50 <Bike> i wonder what percentage of vulnerabilities are due to shell's weird semantics when you consider it as a programming language
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