00:00:05 -!- Lymia has joined. 00:21:34 -!- kmc has set topic: Existentially unforgeable under adaptive chosen-message attacks | 22nd IOCCC is open: http://ioccc.org/2013/rules.txt | jsvine is doing an esolang survey! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q/viewform | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric. 00:35:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:52:28 -!- Koen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:01:06 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:04:22 how common is the use of gas for heating and cooking in the scan-the-navy-ahs? 01:05:33 -!- sacje has joined. 01:08:31 I doubt you will get more than a definnitive answer here. 01:09:46 for households in norway, i think almost nonexistent. 01:10:05 electricity used to be omnipresent for both. 01:10:10 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:11:02 but maybe it's changed recently for environmental reasons, e.g. my new apartment has water-based heating. 01:11:57 ok it's somewhat fashionable for barbecues, at least :P 01:12:27 that's a recent development. 01:13:08 also for camping and summer houses it may be more common. 01:14:12 *houses/huts 01:15:23 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:18:03 i love that you can buy natural gas powered air conditioners 01:18:10 it's like alchemy. using fire to make stuff cold 01:19:12 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:21:37 -!- douglass has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:32:08 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 01:33:50 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:39:56 -!- Sprocklem has quit. 02:06:07 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:27:45 -!- Lymia has joined. 02:33:50 -!- augur has joined. 02:42:32 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:00:27 ion: It means I can run FTL again! 03:09:39 verily 03:12:48 oerjan: electricity for heating? ¿qué el fuck 03:17:05 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:25:28 tswett: norway's electricity is something like 90% hydropower. 03:26:00 *nod* 03:26:18 before we found the oil, it used to be called our "white gold" 03:28:03 well still does, i guess 03:40:04 Are there any better MUD systems than the one that I was playing before and quit because of the lack of difficult mode and so on? 04:24:10 Why can't I find a MUD? 04:24:33 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1kcvix/50_bytes_of_code_that_took_4gb_to_compile/cbo2kby 04:26:23 "Turing complete in practice" :( 04:26:34 elliott: i was wondering if there is a more precise term. 04:26:41 i gave a reasonably precise definition 04:27:57 finite state machine? :P 04:28:17 very practical, those 04:29:21 uh... no, not a finite state machine. the idea is to be able to compute an arbitrary function that uses a large amount of memory 04:29:46 (you *can* simulate a FSM for a fixed number of steps without difficulty) 04:30:13 c++. right. 04:30:28 oh hey, it's not template garbage 04:30:48 pretty much is, actually 04:36:49 (and you can simulate an algorithm that uses a small amount of memory, but may be very difficult to analyze, such as an cryptographic hash, again without difficulty) 04:49:00 linear-bounded-automaton-complete 04:49:36 it's guaranteed to repeat a state if it runs for long enough 04:59:59 so it is possible to detect if something will halt 05:44:10 -!- sacje has quit (Quit: sacje). 05:59:23 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:13:00 “reasonable Turing-complete language, such as Brainfuck” 06:19:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 06:35:38 -!- augur has joined. 06:37:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:37:45 -!- augur has joined. 06:48:10 via Wikipedia: The 1954 edition of the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians notoriously dismissed Rachmaninoff's music as "monotonous in texture ... consist[ing] mainly of artificial and gushing tunes" and predicted that his popular success was "not likely to last". To this, Harold C. Schonberg, in his Lives of the Great Composers, responded, "It is one of the most outrageously snobbish and even stupid statements ever to be found in a work that is s 06:48:49 that may have gotten its tail cut off. any case. 07:10:45 Most popular music consists of artificial and gushing tunes. 07:10:58 Rachmaninov was merely pragmatic. 07:25:19 -!- kallisti has joined. 07:25:19 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 07:25:19 -!- kallisti has joined. 07:26:50 what is an artificial tune, anyway 07:27:37 maybe he wasn't able to take the time to work out a genuine tune because he was Russian 07:28:02 (Oh, printing press, how you've ruined puns.) 07:33:47 comex: are you trying to ask, in your post, whether there is a function f from turing maching programs to c++ template programs such that |f(w)|/|w| is bounded and w and f(w) are somehow equivalent as programs? (i did not understand any of it, just guessing) 07:36:14 "without taking an exponential amount of space to describe the function compared to the normal representation (i.e. you can't just list every possible input,output pair)" 07:37:01 what's the normal representation 07:38:04 -!- Taneb has joined. 07:38:28 :D :D :D 07:38:41 :D :E :F 07:39:16 I've got a place at the University of York! 07:39:38 :T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U 07:39:47 what kind of place 07:39:56 is that like New York 07:40:12 shachaf, it's like Old Old New York 07:40:33 as far as yorks are concerned, the newer the better imo 07:40:42 even the new one is getting kind of old 07:41:13 Taneb: are you going to go studentize there 07:41:16 yes 07:41:29 I am going to studentize maths and computer science 07:41:37 oh no :'( 07:42:07 congrats Taneb 07:42:10 oh 07:42:12 yes 07:42:15 also what kmc said 07:42:22 :P 07:42:22 congratsneb 07:42:25 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 07:56:55 oklopol: what is the complexity class of lambda calculus terms where you can only evaluate each term to a depth of 17 (yes this is still C++) 07:59:41 oh is he talking about the recursion limit 08:00:56 i did not quite catch the connection between the first and the second paragraph 08:11:28 -!- kallisti has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 08:12:24 So I for the first time will receive Computer Science education in an official capacity in October 08:13:28 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:13:29 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 08:13:29 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:18:36 i might not take another math course like _ever_ :( 08:19:10 oklopol, aren't you like really old like 28 or something 08:19:50 yes i'm i'm 24 08:19:58 *-i'm 08:33:01 Taneb: Why does oklopol secretly love you? 08:33:17 FreeFull, he secretly loves me!? 08:33:36 08:39:38 < oklopol> :T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U 08:33:56 Well, it must be a secret 08:34:17 Maybe because he doesn't reveal other people's secrets. 08:34:39 Not a very big secret when it's posted in the wide open 08:35:34 And FreeFull that's just a sequence of silly faces 08:36:52 > filter (\x -> x == ':' || x == ' ') ":T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U" 08:36:53 ": : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :" 08:37:04 > filter (\x -> x /= ':' || x /= ' ') ":T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U" 08:37:06 ":T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U" 08:37:15 > filter (\x -> x /= ':' && x /= ' ') ":T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U" 08:37:17 "TANEBISECRETLYLOVEYOU" 08:37:24 My god 08:38:03 Do you see it now? 08:38:17 :P 08:38:25 You must elope with oklopol 08:38:28 It's the only way 08:38:29 That decryption function looks kind of contrived. 08:38:46 You could make any message appear in that text with a sufficiently complicated decryption function. 08:38:49 But he's in the far away land of far away 08:39:05 And shachaf raises a very good point 08:39:10 > filter (\_ -> "ILOVEMONOIDSTHEYARESOEASY") ":T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U" 08:39:10 Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Bool' 08:39:10 with actual type... 08:39:18 Er. 08:39:20 > (\_ -> "ILOVEMONOIDSTHEYARESOEASY") ":T :A :N :E :B :I :S :E :C :R :E :T :L :Y :L :O :V :E :Y :O :U" 08:39:20 "ILOVEMONOIDSTHEYARESOEASY" 08:39:38 I'd say that that decryption function is much simpler 08:40:01 > map length ["filter (\\x -> x /= ':' && x /= ' ')", "(\\_ -> \"ILOVEMONOIDSTHEYARESOEASY\")"] 08:40:03 [35,35] 08:41:07 Well, we both have useless spaces 08:41:11 Let's get rid of those 08:41:18 Stop nitpicking. 08:41:33 Well, stop pitnicking. 08:42:39 Anyway I'm not sure what "tane bisec retlyl ovey ou" even means. 08:42:55 Looks like gibberish to me. 08:43:01 Taneb: Wouldn't you agree? 08:43:02 shachaf, isn't "ovey" an exclamation associated with the Yiddish community? 08:43:35 And "bisec" could be short for "bisection" 08:43:43 `? Taneb 08:43:45 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards. (see also: d-modules) 08:43:48 Not very convincing. 08:44:00 Maybe it's "tan e" rather than "tane" 08:44:04 > tan (exp 1) 08:44:04 -0.4505495340698077 08:44:23 -!- kallisti has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 08:44:42 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:44:42 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 08:44:42 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:47:12 -!- kallisti has quit (Client Quit). 08:49:03 shachaf: Well, the decoded message is missing its spaces 08:49:28 I interpreted it as "TANEB I SECRETLY LOVE YOU" but of course that doesn't mean that's where the spaces actually go 08:51:00 Hmm, maybe "TANEBISECRETLYLOVEYOU" is one word in one of those languages with long words. 08:51:05 Like Finnish or Hexhammish. 08:51:45 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:51:46 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 08:51:46 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:58:32 Time for reboot for new kernel for sparta 08:59:13 -!- FreeFull has quit. 09:00:33 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 09:07:06 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 09:21:04 -!- FreeFull has joined. 09:28:21 I think 1/2 should be called cotwo 09:28:46 Or rather the multiplicative cotwo 09:28:58 To distinguish from -2, which is the additive cotwo 09:56:43 -!- conehead has joined. 10:05:59 `? hexham 10:06:00 Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico 10:06:26 Did you know that Hexham is halfway between York and Edinburgh? 10:07:50 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:13:15 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:14:39 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:21:04 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:22:40 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:23:09 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:10:37 http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/14/john-cleese-attack-british-press 12:10:48 i love that headline 12:11:52 it makes it sound like john cleese's troops are battering down the gates of the daily mail 12:17:12 -!- scoofy has joined. 12:20:52 hello 12:23:16 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:23:45 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:55:52 -!- boily has joined. 13:01:09 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 13:06:15 -!- boily has joined. 13:06:19 -!- metasepia has joined. 13:09:34 -!- carado has joined. 13:09:45 caradhello. 13:12:51 my fingers tend to accumulate random ink stains from unknown sources. I fear I'm a sleep-writer... 13:14:25 hi o/ 13:15:29 I calculated the probability of rolling d4,d6,d8,d10,d12,d20 and all coming up the same number (which will have to be 1 to 4). At least, I think I did; maybe I made a mistake. 13:15:48 > 6*8*10*12*20 13:15:49 115200 13:18:06 boily: What do you sleep-write? 13:18:56 zzo38: no idea. haven't found my Nebulous Nocturnal Notepad yet. probably some weird stuff à la Ulysses. 13:19:15 do you know of a cheap IR camera that I could rig to my box? 13:20:22 No, I don't know about that. 13:20:54 something USB, or better wireless. then I could film mys... oh... very, very bad idea. 13:21:17 Well, Wii remotes have a IR camera although they can only track positions and not transmit a picture. 13:21:31 I'm sure I'm going to end up dead after a few weeks, like in Paranormal Activity. 13:21:56 boily: Then you must try to write a report of it. Unfortunely it is difficult if you are dead. 13:22:12 “better random moonlit modern musings than being stalked by an invisible demon”, says my mom. 13:22:24 I suppose so. 13:22:28 or, I wonder if I could xkcdise it and sleep with a keyboard. 13:22:48 You could try. I don't know how well it would work. 13:24:38 I have a bluetooth keyboard. I'll keep you informed. 13:24:50 OK. Does it have enough battery power? 13:25:18 Perhaps disable the functions keys and so on for that kind of experiment. 13:27:12 -!- nooodl has joined. 13:27:29 it was hong kongly bought, and of good battery quality. 13:28:06 OK, if the battery is good, then that will work. 13:28:54 If you ever type anything about Uselessness RPG 1, tell me we can add it into that wiki! (regardless whether you sleep or wake up while typing it) 13:32:43 I seem to have misplaced the link to your RPG. care to provide it to me again? 13:35:06 Oops... 13:35:11 Well, here it is: http://hackiki.org/wiki/uselessness_rpg_1,,main 13:37:34 ~duck yuggo 13:37:34 --- No relevant information 13:38:18 Yuggo is a currency from CthulhuMUD. Zorkmid is a currency from Zork, and also used in some chess variants. Yen is Japanese currency. 13:38:46 (Have you seen such chess variants?) 13:39:23 I knew about nethack and zorkmids, but chess variants? 13:39:40 yen is yen is yen. it goes with calpis and pocari sweat and ramune. 13:40:32 Yes, even in some chess variants, mention zorkmids. That isn't important for the purpose of this game, though; I just used three currencies found elsewhere, and since exchange rates vary they don't even need to be matching anything else. 13:43:09 the log in as a google account is a little bit buggy, but seems to work. there's a PHP error when you click on the google link, then it says “You are logged in as https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=[RANDOM STUFF]”. 13:43:54 boily: Tell Gregor; that isn't my problem. 13:44:12 It is either Gregor or Google who has done something wrong; probably Google. 13:44:19 Gregor: what I zzo38ly said ↑ 13:47:29 (Specifically, yuggo was the currency used in most shops and vending machines in Pluto I have seen in that game; the exceptions are the bank and Dr.Tkikt which you must both pay for services in copper coins instead; the bank will exchange them automatically though so it doesn't matter. Most of things I have seen about zorkmid are about chess variants, in fact!!) 13:48:07 (Many games might have the different currency being copper, silver, gold; I want to make the game different, so instead I have yen, yuggo, zorkmid. Maybe "yen" might be changed just because it starts with "y".) 13:48:38 (It is true; if I change it, that is the only reason.) 13:48:46 about that y point, I added an annotation. 13:49:08 (my wiki editing skills are poor, so the format may not be standard compliant, fsvo standard) 13:49:11 OK, let me see 13:49:49 fungot: do you have any y points? 13:49:50 boily: will you and hurried here. gogah... make... .....don't ever make marlene... 13:52:38 boily: Good point; I won't use this in Z-machine though (another problem is the way Unicode deals with font width) 13:58:58 'tis sad. gargoyle seems to have stopped development. 13:59:19 boily: What is that? 13:59:38 http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/ 14:00:21 I remember losing a few hours of my life trying to find a lost pig. 14:00:34 O, I have seen that 14:00:55 There are many Z-machine interpreters, but most of them seem very defective. 14:02:12 I have written two Z-machine programs, and I have tested many interpreters; only Aimfiz and Infocom's interpreter run them correctly. 14:03:51 A version of Gargoyle based on Aimfiz instead of Frotz might work. 14:10:21 -!- nooodl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:16:06 meanwhile, I am beginning to grasp the details of OpenERP. I am scared. 14:19:54 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:36:04 -!- nooodl has joined. 14:44:05 -!- Koen_ has joined. 14:50:20 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 15:07:50 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:13:50 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Read error: No route to host). 15:16:22 boily: AIUI, a lot of the regular cheapo webcams register a reasonable amount of IR, so you could pick one of those and then you'd just need some IR illumination. 15:19:11 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 15:28:56 They make infrared look pink though 15:35:37 I think that's okay if you just want to see where you keep your hidden night-journal. 15:58:42 -!- tswett has quit (Changing host). 15:58:42 -!- tswett has joined. 16:05:43 -!- iamfishhead has joined. 16:19:44 -!- kallisti has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 16:26:25 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 16:27:40 -!- conehead has joined. 16:28:09 -!- conehead has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:38:43 -!- conehead has joined. 16:49:07 -!- mnoqy has joined. 16:51:01 Mhm. How come dark grey is entirely black in a screen session in PuTTY? 16:51:40 Oh, there's a "indicate bolded text by..." setting. 16:52:03 Managed to somehow miss that every time. 16:54:28 Hmp. In VirtualBox the raw disk access stuff worked not at all; in VMware Player, I get a few dozen "The operation on file "\\.\PhysicalDrive3" failed." messages at boot time and when anything sufficiently special happens, but if I just keep saying "continue" everything works. 16:56:35 (Except for a lot of errors in dmesg.) 16:56:51 "failed command: WRITE DMA". 16:57:08 Maybe if I configured it to use something different. 17:10:12 I told VMware to use it in the "individual partitions" mode, and it just broke down. 17:10:38 Now it just shows the main menu dialog, and trying to close it gives a "The virtual machine is busy." error. 17:16:23 -!- yorick has joined. 17:17:58 Maybe it has issues with partitions larger than 2T, because the individual-partitions select-o-tron just says "2 TB" as the capacity. 17:29:24 fizzie: back from lunch. I'll IRise myself in a non horror movie manner. 17:29:54 My lunch is sausages 17:30:01 Cheese and brocoli sausages 17:30:11 "You learn something every day" 17:30:24 fungot: do you eat cheese and broccoli? 17:30:24 olsner: better send that soldier something. 17:31:06 my lunch was a large all-dressed phở. 17:31:22 Roujo: "you're talking like fizzie." 17:31:57 Am I now? 17:31:58 The weirdest. The front headphone jack is noisy in Windows only. And not all the time, just occasionally. 17:32:09 I guess it could be some interference from the GPU or something. 17:34:15 Interference, defense, number 99, first down 17:36:25 on one hand, I am reading an article about fermented shrimp paste, otoh Roujo is doing eldritch incantations, and on the not quite fourth hand I'm utterly puzzled. 17:36:48 The Otter puzzle is pretty damn ahrd 17:36:51 Yes, ahrd 17:36:57 That's like hard-mode hard 17:37:09 Also, I can't spell 17:37:28 Roujo: you're francophone like me. of course you can't spell. :p 17:38:06 I can spell 17:38:10 Just, not actual spells 17:38:13 Just words 17:44:23 fungot: your opinion on words? 17:44:23 boily: cloud... don't... the planet? ho ho hoooo. good luck. please let me. my journey ends here. the two of you. 17:44:45 «ho ho hoooo. good luck.» properly ominous, imho. 17:45:04 fungot: What's this about your journey ending? 17:45:04 fizzie: but what are you? you keep wandering around... 17:45:04 `theme 17:45:07 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: theme: not found 17:45:12 Oops 17:45:14 Roujo: Wrong prefix *and* command. :p 17:45:17 ^style 17:45:17 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7* fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 17:45:17 WELL CRAP 17:45:24 ^currentstule 17:45:27 ^currentstyle 17:45:35 ^style style 17:45:35 Not found. 17:45:39 It's indicated by that *. 17:45:42 OH 17:45:44 There we go 17:45:45 Thanks 17:46:03 * boily looks at Roujo and offers him a fungot manual, 4th edition 17:46:04 boily: aerith......? i just can't seem to lose weight. hmm, aerith. long time. 17:46:17 We're on 4th already? 17:46:19 Look at the time! 17:46:59 manuals always have a ludicrous edition number, in the Grand Conspiracy of Taking Students' Money for Stupid Reasons. 17:47:11 s/in/according to/ 17:48:13 fungot: What's new in the 4th edition? 17:48:14 fizzie: unfortunately, this trip was expensive. and a man. he was a vibrant woman. hadn't changed at all. but, if you're thinkin' you yet! 17:48:23 Okay. 17:49:19 “...expensive” “hadn't changed at all” 17:49:48 I pretty much only got "he was a vibrant woman" 17:51:25 fungot: but did you have *fun* on your trip? 17:51:26 olsner: putting you on my back till the end of this gym! 17:53:05 fungot: saying sweet lines since whenever he started doing it 17:53:05 Roujo: looks like you've seen this already......? so why's it impossible for us to live here i'd change things around ' n' me sober. 17:53:15 fungot: do tell 17:53:15 Roujo: is that man over there! 17:53:22 Yeah, that's he 17:53:27 fungot: What about him? 17:53:27 Roujo: then, is now...... must've been a while back, don't make me laugh.... 17:53:41 fungot: I'd rather not. You remember what happened last time, right? 17:53:42 Roujo: it'll be all right, with my life. 17:54:03 fungot: That's something nice to have, that certainty. I wish I could say the same. 17:54:39 fungo: Are you still there? 17:54:41 ... 17:54:48 OH WELL 17:55:02 -!- Taneb has joined. 17:55:14 fungot: are you snubbing Roujo? 17:55:15 boily: hey! hey, that's fine. 17:55:23 Well crap 17:55:32 `relcome denial 17:55:36 ​denial: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 17:55:41 Roujo: not the first time a meatbag receives abuse from a bot :p 17:56:00 Probably not the last, either 17:56:03 `quote never saw 17:56:04 I wish I was a chatbot 17:56:04 952) * fungot has joined #esoteric woohoo! the one and only fungot is back! boily: damn your mother! ok. never saw that one coming. 17:56:16 Imagine the possibilities 17:56:21 I could beat the Turing test 17:56:23 Well, I think I could 17:56:28 I never really tried 17:56:37 you could auto-meta-turing yourself. 17:56:48 (meanwhile, that thing exists: https://github.com/rvantonder/pentaquine) 17:57:59 Wooo, star 18:00:17 random question of the day: anybody here who has a urbanspoon account? 18:01:29 I stay away from city utensils, twvm 18:01:31 tyvm 18:01:33 Anyway 18:01:37 I stay away from 'em 18:01:38 Why? 18:03:43 I'm on a quest to visit all the vietnamese restaurants on the island, and I was wondering what defines a good phở around the world. 18:04:07 -!- sacje has joined. 18:04:14 good idea 18:06:22 so far, 24% of my logged restaurants offer vietnamese cuisine, and I've been to 83 in Montréal, 10 in Québec and 4 in Ottawa. 18:20:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:20:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:25:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:27:45 Oh dear 18:27:54 I'm doing unusually well in this run of Brogue 18:28:01 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:29:10 Taneb: roguespeed to you! 18:29:29 I've got an ally naga, ogre, and imp 18:29:49 Okay, I've lost the imp 18:31:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:31:18 And I'm on floor 20 18:31:27 how many floors in brogue? 18:31:54 the amulet is on floor 26 18:32:03 but i think it goes down to 100 if you really want to 18:32:22 it definitely goes deeper than 26 18:32:35 I thought it only went to 52? 18:32:35 and you can collect "lumenstones" for bonus score 18:32:40 oh maybe it goes to 52 18:32:44 I'm bad with remembering numbers 18:33:56 ...apparently it goes to 40?? 18:34:07 #define AMULET_LEVEL 26 // how deep before the amulet appears 18:34:10 #define DEEPEST_LEVEL 40 // how deep the universe goes 18:34:12 And I died 18:34:46 boily: are you a phở fiend 18:35:48 Taneb: darn. 18:36:21 Killed by a cloud of caustic gas on level 21 18:36:25 mnoqy: I think it changed 18:36:41 elliott: i just quoted the source 18:36:51 I know 18:36:51 kmc: I am the vietnamese restaurant reference among my colleagues, friends and family. I peruse blogs and my instincts to seek the perfect montrealese phở. 18:37:19 is montréal known for its phở? 18:37:28 from the changelog: The deepest dungeon depth is now 40 instead of 100, and it contains a reward for players skillful and insane enough to reach it. 18:37:52 * kmc contemplates setting up his Compose key to type tiếng Việt diacritics 18:38:53 kmc: probably. there are many, many places all over the city that serve it. 18:39:36 my compose key was remapped to 半角/全角, and I just tweaked xmodmap to get everything defined by X on my dead keys. 18:42:01 TIL: a fully stocked bookshelf is kind of heavy. 18:43:18 did it fall on you? I hear that can kill people 18:45:43 (I hope it didn't kill you!) 18:46:25 oh right. my compose is ひらがな/カタカナ. 18:46:54 kmc: http://pastebin.ca/2432345 18:47:14 do you type a lot of japanese boily? 18:47:20 I need to figure out how to anchor my bookshelves to the wall 18:47:23 earthquake zone, y'know 18:47:36 kmc: yes. I have UIM bound to Ctrl-Space. 18:47:44 -!- Gregor has set topic: Existentially unforgiveable under adaptive chosen-message attacks | 22nd IOCCC is open: http://ioccc.org/2013/rules.txt | jsvine is doing an esolang survey! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q/viewform | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric. 18:48:25 I firmly believe the /topic makes sense in some parallel universe. 18:49:48 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:03:24 boily: now that's just absurd 19:03:46 maybe it makes sense in the orthogonal universe(s) 19:04:37 olsner: my belief are reasonable, up to iso-absurdity. 19:04:42 s/f/ves/ 19:06:45 only in computer programming you can exclaim “It works! I get the correct error!” and be proud of your work. 19:06:56 what about approximation theory 19:08:05 ~duck approximation theory 19:08:05 In mathematics, approximation theory is concerned with how functions can best be approximated with simpler functions, and with quantitatively characterizing the errors introduced thereby. 19:08:29 oh. right. 19:08:43 or statistics 19:08:45 well, I guess I was close enough, and within an acceptable error margin. 19:09:07 Bike: I deny the existence of statistics, based on personal experience. 19:09:11 for e.g. compilers, getting the right error is a really important part of what it does 19:10:04 there's this complete memory blank in my head when I try to recall my statistics classes. I think it was caused by a nerve gas deployed by the dean to keep us students in track and coöperative. 19:11:03 hint: a more efficient way to not remember statistics is to not learn it in the first place 19:12:34 rustc has 753 "this should fail to compile with error X" test cases 19:12:59 that sounds quite few 19:13:10 patches welcome 19:13:32 yeah, I read the rust tutorial yesterday, maybe I should start patching the compiler now 19:14:04 that's about how it goes yeah 19:18:29 olsner: No, I just needed to move it move it, in order to add a cable to the thing-where-cables-go-in. 19:18:57 It just plain didn't "budge", though, before first emptying half of the books. 19:19:45 `? thing-where-cables-go-in 19:19:46 thing-where-cables-go-in? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:19:46 | 19:19:47 o/`¯º 19:20:35 boily: those things are commonplace in pre-wireless ("troglodyte") environments 19:20:57 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:21:44 olsner: my apartment is double-trogloditty, then. I have two powerbars, each with a mess of cables, and various electronic apparatuses, each with their own messes. 19:22:33 well, two and a half. there's an extension cord in my kitchen because I lack well-placed outlets, and have none in my bathroom. 19:22:56 * boily recalls the weeks I had to shave without a mirror... it was a life experience 19:24:53 Personally I think I'd rather go with the cable than with some sort of wifi audio streaming apparatus, those things are always so stupef. 19:25:38 all my audio is cabled, with a shiny amp and two mysterious wooden boxes inherited from my dad. 19:27:18 Heh, that's very similar. I have a karman/hard-on (or w/e) amp and two "Jamo Power 130S"es that date probably to the 1970s, inherited from my father. 19:28:06 hmm... if the wifi router is connected by cable, does that make the so-called "wireless" non-wireless? 19:28:33 http://images3.okr.ro/auctions.v3/700_700/2011/11/22/1/4/66480192997240637290843-5658522-700_700.jpg something very much like these. 19:28:43 (I don't know the difference between the 130T and the 130S.) 19:28:59 (Well, I mean, in more detail than "the last letter".) 19:29:00 fizzie: cambridge audio wired to JCLes from the '70s. 19:29:15 oh, shiny! 19:29:18 what are those hanging white flanges in the upper left for? 19:29:30 olsner: Ask an audio engineer, I think. 19:30:01 boily: The fabric-y cover in ours is much more cat-demolished than what's in the picture, however. 19:31:10 ah, cats and music... the eternal war and grievances. 19:32:18 fizzie: I'm on a http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/media/351a-front-black-1353684537.jpg or very similar, http://www.gallagher.com/photos/stereo/jbl_3.jpg still very similar. 19:33:24 boily: Well, for completeness... http://www.avx.hu/forum/uploads/monthly_12_2011/post-2852-080826500%201324539191.jpg a bit less shiny. 19:33:52 (I don't use any of the video or surroundy features of it.) 19:34:35 You know what I find weird? 19:34:57 Taneb: nope 19:35:13 Something about Daft Punk sounding French even with the voice modulation and whatnot 19:35:54 I suspect that's something you imagine based on knowing that they are french 19:35:59 fizzie: I find karman/hardons' form factor a little too big, imo. 19:36:19 french accents are pretty noticable 19:36:28 nooodl: you don't say. 19:36:46 doesn't the new album have a monologue by a french guitarist. or maybe he's spanish. help i don't know anything 19:37:24 (listens to an interview) yeah they sound very french here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPil2JlXhU hth 19:37:50 Bike: do you mean Giorgio Moroder? he's a disco guy. maybe he plays guitar too?? 19:38:03 yeah that one 19:38:08 (I haven't heard the album) 19:38:11 i thought the monologue was about guitarism 19:38:29 the moroder is not one of the daft punk guys though? 19:38:30 (one of the three people in the universe who thought Human After All was pretty good though) 19:43:17 across universes, the median number of people who appreciate Human After All to its full extent is 4⅝. 19:44:35 Well, even if it just me, it's still a bit weird 19:47:01 I find that singing masks most of people's accents, and even swedish artists can sound english when singing 19:51:43 `? phở 19:51:45 phở? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:51:45 | 19:51:45 º¯`\o 19:52:22 `learn phở là một món ăn truyền thống của Việt Nam, cũng có thể xem là một trong những món ăn đặc trưng nhất cho ẩm thực Việt Nam. 19:52:26 I knew that. 19:52:56 `? pho 19:52:57 pho? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:52:58 | 19:52:58 º¯`\o 19:56:18 ~duck phở 19:56:18 --- No relevant information 19:57:49 Hmm. So earlier, I may have said that in a linear type system, every monad is (essentially) equivalent to a state monad. 19:57:59 boily: is pho made from ~duck? 19:58:42 Turns out, though, that a linear type system doesn't appear to support the list monad, at least not by the obvious meaning of the word "monad". 19:58:47 olsner: the regular version is phở bò (beef), but you can also get gà (chicken). 19:59:07 Like, you can't have [Int] -> (Int -> [Char]) -> [Char], because you could have any number of Ints, and yet the second argument must be called exactly once. 20:00:08 olsner: there is also a duck soup called bún măng vịt. 20:03:20 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:04:01 The Kids' Guide to the Internet http://youtu.be/A81IwlDeV6c 20:04:54 -!- carado has joined. 20:05:23 ion: oh the fungotity... 20:05:24 boily: meteor is coming, and then that's okay. we'll see if you don't even have any money. 20:05:45 Roujo: est-ce que tu connais le Douteux? http://douteux.org/ 20:05:46 How threatening. It's like... 20:06:24 You owe us a bunch of money. There's a meteor coming and it's going to kill you, but we don't care. In fact, after it kills you we're going to go over to your house and see what money's in it. 20:09:37 boily: It is kind of bulky, that's for sure. And it's mostly empty space. 20:14:36 -!- ^v has joined. 20:14:45 <^v> "3 20:16:28 <^v> good obscure language to compile into lua? 20:16:28 `relcome ^v 20:16:31 ​^v: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 20:16:32 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 20:17:47 ^v: there is http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters. no lua in it, but it's an interesting starting point. 20:18:59 <^v> o_o 20:19:52 <^v> i remember what i was trying to do a couple years ago 20:20:02 <^v> i was making a BF inturpreter in logisim 20:20:19 "checking whether strstr works in linear time... no" 20:20:25 Wow, autoconf can determine asymptotic complexity. 20:21:14 http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5514 huh, wow 20:24:08 tswett: I assume it uses KLEE 20:24:18 <^v> oh wow 20:24:26 <^v> freenode actually crashed my http server 20:24:33 <^v> c_c 20:25:24 I'd think it would just try a bunch of them and see how linear the result is. 20:25:25 kmc: KLEE? 20:25:40 elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLEE hth 20:26:09 ~duck KLEE 20:26:09 Swiss artist who combined his expert use of line and color and his theories of abstract art to produce works of whimsy and innocence. 20:26:23 Also: 5 + 1 = 2 * 3 and 5 * 1 = 2 + 3. 20:27:51 tswett: Make a version of strstr that detects whether it's being given worst-case input. 20:28:33 shachello. 20:29:15 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 20:29:18 yoily 20:29:33 The naive linear algorithm, which doesn't work, is to step through the haystack, and keep a counter of the number of characters of the needle that have matched. If you encounter a mismatch, reset it to zero. 20:31:11 The naive way of fixing that, which makes the algorithm quadratic, is to keep multiple counters, one for each possible starting point of the match. 20:31:35 <^v> i sould make a esoteric language, where you will have to brute force CRC in order to compile it 20:32:00 I think the worst case for that algorithm may be finding e.g. "aaaa" in "aaaaaaaa". 20:33:06 ^v: à la Malbolge :D 20:33:21 tswett: or, as a colombian would say, AAAAAAAAAAA. 20:33:22 Malbolge is pretty easy to... well, interpret, isn't it? 20:33:39 <^v> yea like malboge 20:35:07 we should poisson the hispanophones that randomly join this channel in order to predict when will the next one appear. 20:36:38 Reading the t's and c's for student loads... 20:40:32 loans? 20:41:05 I want to try to think of another Turing tarpit... 20:41:35 No, loads 20:41:39 what's a loads 20:41:56 It's how much luggage I'll be able to carry as a student 20:42:03 How about this. Memory consists of a bunch of 32-bit words. The instruction pointer points to a pair of words. 20:42:48 Then, lemme see. 20:43:09 <^v> hmm 20:43:18 <^v> sould i use FCS32 instead of CRC32? 20:43:22 kmc, yes, I did mean loans 20:43:30 <^v> CRC is too easy to crack 20:44:23 tswett: so far this is sounding pretty normal 20:44:48 Taneb: going to university? 20:44:50 Yeah 20:44:53 Why is life this scary 20:44:57 Each execution step consists of multiplying the two words together, setting the second word to the result, and moving right if the result was greater than 991197253, and left otherwise. 20:45:08 tswett: this sounds like a segment/address pair on an x86 architecture... 20:45:17 or, as you said, probably not. 20:45:21 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has changed nick to Nisstyre. 20:47:11 Taneb: disproportionate retaliation from former students who had to endure a little bit less scariness than what you're going to suffer, culminating in an intergenerational serial escalation of standardised, civilised terror. 20:48:20 It's all "If you're Welsh and applying before September 2012... If you're Welsh and applying after September 2012... If you are studying a part-time course..." aaah 20:50:28 "You will need to give employers either a P45 form or a P46 form." 20:50:32 what happens if you're welsh and apply during september 2012? 20:50:54 raise WelshPointerException(); 20:50:59 ("Become welsh and find out!") 20:52:08 The UK is a weird country 20:52:26 <^v> UK isnt a country .-. 20:52:36 your mom isn't a country 20:53:37 if google translate is right, it may be a EithriadPwyntyddNull(). I'll have that in my code next time I have to do java. 20:55:41 is the ll in null pronounced the welsh way there? 20:56:11 * boily tries it out... «nuthllhthhhh» 20:58:53 think nutlh in Klingon 20:59:33 * boily frowns and shouts «nuTLH!!!» 21:02:26 perhaps you could use nullity = dirymedd instead: EithriadPwyntyddDirymedd() 21:04:02 ooooh, much better! 21:05:54 the word "pwyntydd" feels very welsh, filled with welshness 21:07:53 ^v, yes it... is 21:08:06 you're confusing it with great britain or something 21:08:21 http://qntm.org/uk 21:08:35 Taneb, ooh, are you wrangling with university interfaces 21:08:57 I'm wrangling with some part of the government, I belive 21:09:00 *believe 21:09:02 Not sure which 21:09:16 (currently i'm trying to apply for student funding for the next year only to be informed that the service is broken) 21:09:39 Phantom_Hoover: the UK is a sovereign state but not a country I think? 21:09:48 Scotland, England and Wales are the countries 21:10:11 oh christ, i forgot about that stuff 21:10:12 Taneb: good luck. I had to fill out a government form this summer where I was repeatedly asked if I'm a fisherman. 21:10:21 Are you? 21:10:28 absolutely not. 21:10:31 elliott: wikipedia calls it a country a little bit 21:10:47 The countriness of the United Kingdom is part of its weirdness 21:10:51 Taneb: I'm an IT professional. 21:10:52 previously when i was filling out the form it was demanding my parents' income despite the fact that i'd already clearly exempted myself from the means-tested stuff 21:11:01 boily, are you a phisherman? 21:11:35 Taneb: never phished nobody. I prefer more subtly direct ways of extracting valuable information from people, like with the The Question. 21:11:56 Did you know that Hexham is precisely half-way between Edinburgh and York 21:12:00 I think I mentioned that earlier 21:12:01 boily: What's subtle about that? 21:12:10 btw, ^v, what are your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh? 21:12:22 <^v> 300 and USA 21:12:29 shachaf: subtly direct, not subtle. 21:12:40 Yes. What's subtle about the directness? 21:12:56 nice to see that ^v is keeping with the spirit of the channel by providing completely useless answers to the question. 21:13:10 well they hardly weigh 300 kilos 21:13:40 you'd have to be made out of metal or something for that 21:13:41 shachaf: see, I was subtle there. it's missing some IRL experience as it is transmitted through a textual medium, but trust me, it is subtle. 21:13:46 `addquote btw, ^v, what are your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh? <^v> 300 and USA nice to see that ^v is keeping with the spirit of the channel by providing completely useless answers to the question. 21:13:49 1091) btw, ^v, what are your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh? <^v> 300 and USA nice to see that ^v is keeping with the spirit of the channel by providing completely useless answers to the question. 21:13:50 was the . bolded 21:13:58 elliott: no. 21:14:01 yes 21:14:01 ooh, "Is there a Little/Lesser Britain?" ... as far as I can recall, it has never occurred to me that there would be another britain 21:14:04 Phantom_Hoover: I'm now imagining someone named "Doc Osmium" 21:14:07 . 21:14:10 no 21:14:27 Doc Osmium is a good suppervillain name 21:14:31 olsner, there was the Roman province of Britannia Minor, corresponding roughly to modern England 21:14:32 (decided not to correct that typo) 21:14:33 I think 21:14:50 if i was a supervillain i'd be doc osmium 21:14:57 elliott: oh, it was perfectly voluntary. I dislike bolded punctation marks. 21:15:08 i'd kill people by hitting them with osmium i guess 21:15:18 boily: :) 21:15:18 Taneb: hmm, that page pointed to the piece of france that's called (roughly) "Britain" 21:15:20 Oh wait, it's Brittany in France 21:15:30 Yeah 21:16:00 fizzie: you fıend. 21:16:03 fizzie, there's a certain intensity to that smiley 21:16:05 i like it 21:16:58 It stares into your soul 21:17:13 :) 21:17:20 mnoqy: hi 21:17:29 ;_; 21:17:33 looking forward to this evening?? 21:17:35 i won't lie 21:17:37 i wept 21:17:44 shachaf: sure? 21:18:11 nothing on tuesday :( or wednesday :( 21:18:42 shachaf: what's with this evening? 21:19:09 mnoqy: oh no did he miss the tuesday update? 21:19:22 it seems so 21:21:46 shachaf, so like is this a sex thing 21:22:08 what isn't, these days 21:25:11 people from #esoteric meeting IRL??? the apocalypse has come! 21:25:23 get w/ the program 21:25:39 boily: the apocalypse has been here all along 21:25:40 a) that's been happening since forever in finland, but also b) the apocalypse is only with elliott and Taneb 21:26:21 oh. wasn't there a Canadian corollary or something about that? 21:26:23 I almost met ais523 once 21:28:46 But I did not 21:29:03 Hey, are there any esolangers in or around York? 21:29:17 (>>>), maybe? 21:29:19 Er. 21:29:20 does New York count 21:29:24 Taneb: are you moving out of hexham? 21:29:31 olsner, in October 21:29:37 shachaf, slightly not 21:29:43 But mostly? 21:29:53 Mostly still not 21:30:01 A little bit? 21:30:09 Not really 21:30:29 It's more like Birmingham than New York 21:30:33 How slight is this slightly? 21:30:43 Taneb: nice, good luck with the unhexhamming 21:30:54 shachaf: hi good nooodl-question-answering here 21:31:14 nooodl: ???? 21:31:18 what did i do 21:31:26 shachaf, slightly may have been used here to mean entirely 21:31:29 (>>>), maybe? 21:31:30 oh 21:31:36 that was my touchpad talking 21:38:03 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:38:57 -!- augur has joined. 21:42:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:55:43 oh, they reclinginged dcss! 22:00:47 ^v: one of the levels of http://io.smashthestack.org/ involves writing two Brainfuck programs with the same MD5 hash that do two specific, different things 22:00:49 -!- carado_ has joined. 22:01:23 `WeLcOmE scoofy 22:01:28 ScOoFy: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) 22:03:10 <^v> kmc, interesting 22:05:07 -!- carado_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:06:56 it's... easier than it sounds, once you find the magic bit of janky research code that generates MD5 collision pairs 22:07:15 ~duck janky 22:07:15 Software description: continuous integration server built on top of Jenkins and Hubot (Ruby). 22:07:24 when the generating md5 collisions become that easy? 22:07:25 I think I used http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/ 22:07:28 bletch. the horror. 22:07:34 I'm now thinking of um... valerie's article on the hash function lifetime thing 22:07:44 yeah 22:07:56 sounds like when = 2007? 22:08:15 hmmm... so like, preimage finding is still generally hard and hasn't happened for most hashes, right? 22:08:26 anyway you can find maybe a dozen collision pairs per hour on a pretty modest machine 22:08:30 but like, how hard is finding a partial preimage? like "I want a hash that's 00000000000000***********" 22:08:37 is that potentially easier than like, an actual preimage? 22:08:52 chosen-prefix collisions are feasible too, now, with big but not absurdly big compute farms 22:08:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_attack#Chosen-prefix_collision_attack 22:09:11 no, I meant like, the *hash result* has a chosen prefix 22:09:14 yeah I know 22:09:17 I was just following what I said 22:09:20 ohhh, I see 22:09:34 "A real-world collision attack was published in December 2008 when a group of security researchers published a forged X.509 signing certificate" wow 22:09:55 It's not easy enough for that Typeable bug. :-( 22:09:56 also the Flame malware used a chosen prefix collision, following a technique that is not published in the open literature 22:10:03 wow @_@ 22:10:10 which basically demonstrates that it was made by someone who employs world class cryptanalysts 22:10:22 it's kind of like poisoning someone with a rare isotope of polonium... 22:10:39 ~duck cryptanalyst 22:10:39 Cryptanalysis (from the Greek krypts, "hidden", and analein, "to loosen" or "to untie") is the art and science of analyzing information systems in order to study the hidden aspects of the systems. 22:10:45 ~duck cryptoanalyst 22:10:45 Cryptanalysis (from the Greek krypts, "hidden", and analein, "to loosen" or "to untie") is the art and science of analyzing information systems in order to study the hidden aspects of the systems. 22:11:12 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:11:20 these are some pretty badass job titles really... "secret untier", "secret writer", "secret studier" 22:11:35 anyway I don't know of any practical significant preimage attacks on MD5 22:11:47 there are theoretical faster-than-brute-force attacks 22:12:09 I guess I was thinking, like, valerie wrote the thing about how hash functions have a finite lifetime and you have to be prepared to upgrade 22:12:17 those tend to exist for most hash functions, even ones considered OK 22:12:21 maybe only with reduced rounds though 22:12:23 and was kind of thinking what would happen if SHA-256 got a break and suddenly bitcoin collapsed 22:12:35 heh 22:12:37 -!- augur has joined. 22:13:04 there are surely more likely scenarios for that than people breaking sha-256 22:13:06 is that more or less likely than an efficient algorithm for discrete logarithm problem on elliptic curves? 22:13:10 probably more likely 22:13:15 it would have different consequences too though 22:14:11 like, breaking ECDSA? 22:14:15 yeah 22:14:29 geez if you could brea that you could like, forge signatures, right? 22:14:39 yep you could steal anyone's bitcoins 22:14:54 wow 22:14:59 well, I mean, in general, right? 22:15:00 let's build a quantum computer and use it to steal all the bitcoins 22:15:03 like, other kinds of signatures 22:15:05 sure 22:15:09 it would be a huge deal 22:15:29 i wonder if there are any altcoins using post-quantum signatures yet 22:16:56 maybe someone already broke it but they're being discreet about it 22:17:45 alt.coins 22:18:10 is that a joke about discreet logarithms 22:18:21 maybe 22:18:47 how do you get lumber down the river without anyone noticing 22:18:50 send it as discreet logs 22:18:54 >_> 22:19:32 I think there was an episode of NUMB3RS where the guy breaks All The Crypto and then the mafia is after him or something 22:19:52 Fiora: you could build log tables with it 22:19:59 yeah here we go "A young girl is kidnapped, but her parents refuse to cooperate with Don's investigation. The girl's father is a mathematician, and the kidnapping may be related to his work on the Riemann hypothesis." 22:20:13 episode title "Prime Suspect" (i'm not making this up) 22:20:16 good hypothesis 22:20:30 that's that's terrible 22:20:34 that's so bad. 22:20:44 the whole show is like that 22:20:56 it's terrible but I enjoy watching it because it was filmed partially at my school 22:21:07 so I'm like "hey I know that building, it's actually much easier to break into than that" 22:21:11 it must really cater to the lowest common denominator 22:21:33 >_>_>_>_> 22:21:47 Fiora: That's that's terrible. 22:21:48 * Fiora hides behind Bike 22:23:03 They can probably still see you through the spokes. 22:24:23 http://glyph.twistedmatrix.com/2009/01/television-writer-guide-to-cryptography.html 22:28:37 <^v> my solution: buy 500 server racks and brute force it ;_; 22:32:40 Fiora, you've seen the irc drug boat metaphor right 22:34:55 `quote numb3rs 22:34:56 680) speaking of math, i watched an episode of numb3rs today the first episode was more like 57471571c5 22:35:39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ for the uninitiated) 22:36:09 across universes, the median number of people who appreciate Human After All to its full extent is 4⅝. <-- i sense that medians may work weirdly across universes 22:36:41 but but they need to make a GUI interface in visual basic!! to track the killer! 22:36:52 I mean, to track the killer's IP address! 22:37:24 oblig. http://guivbip.codeplex.com/ 22:37:29 that was csi wasn't it 22:37:33 I think so? 22:38:08 -!- scoofy has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:38:46 i thought it was NCIS 22:38:51 but they're all basically the same 22:39:16 uh no 22:39:20 csi has ken mattingley 22:39:34 I was watching NCIS and they had to shut down the computer in time to disable the bomb or whatever but the guy couldn't figure out the interface so at the last second he just shot it a bunch of times with his gun 22:39:45 i've wanted to do that many times 22:39:55 Phantom_Hoover: that's CSI:NY but yes 22:40:26 did he shoot the monitor 22:40:46 i think so 22:40:48 inter alia 22:41:32 jesus the original CSI is still running... almost 300 episodes 22:41:43 Phantom_Hoover: "connecting to port_6667 of #channel irc". I mean, I've seen it, but still. 22:43:42 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:50:07 @tell taneb kmc, yes, I did mean loans <-- and here i was all ready to assume british rail had special luggage rules for students. 22:50:07 Consider it noted. 22:50:19 haha 22:50:35 they do have a discount railcard for students 22:50:46 well for young people anyway. http://www.16-25railcard.co.uk/ 22:51:05 so does norway. 22:51:16 does norway have good trains 22:51:35 no, "good" is not a word commonly associated with norway's trains. 22:54:00 but 'Parts of the Harry Potter film "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" were filmed on the Rauma Railway.' !!!! 22:57:28 Curiously enough, there's also a Rauma in Finland. 22:57:53 (I don't think it's important in any railwaystic way, however.) 23:25:17 -!- itsy has joined. 23:25:46 no passenger rail traffic since 1988 :/ 23:37:55 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 23:38:00 -!- Bike_ has joined. 23:38:41 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 23:42:36 -!- iamfishhead has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:44:10 kmc: oh well right, the _view_ is pretty. the punctuality, not so much. 23:44:41 my train experience, summarized 23:47:44 back from a late meeting with ænigmas. 23:47:49 time to eat. I am famished. 23:47:57 oerjan: universes are weird. 23:47:58 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 23:47:59 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection).