< 1375747503 339439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375747815 268908 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375747815 508156 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1375747815 508234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1375748481 299430 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mittani has horrible hair! < 1375748699 429570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maccaroni and cheese tastes better than I thought it would < 1375748982 839104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375749121 540012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should make it so that if you write "`? `slist" and whatever the `*lists are, that it can tell you what that one is for. < 1375749537 830895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375750300 421422 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375750321 922576 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1375750648 234352 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1375750745 162639 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ...EVE? < 1375750752 767183 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about random clash of interests for me < 1375750765 302645 :ChrisW!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1375750770 272366 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2fyO4uKkxo < 1375750829 874209 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played, and don't know much, but I like reading about it < 1375750832 852309 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially major scams < 1375750840 472955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read the Titans4U thread fully someday < 1375750982 973640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (908) < 1375750984 492975 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (908): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1375751054 785464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, have the redditors been crushed yet then < 1375751068 622777 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think that battle has come and gone, afaik < 1375751078 864682 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afaiu, the Redditors went into battle knowing they'd lose < 1375751094 773481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh list < 1375751104 522565 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's moved on from goons to redditors? < 1375751114 462743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Should it be renamed oohlist? < 1375751127 263305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naah < 1375751231 75827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no, this was the goons declaring war on the redditors < 1375751249 208030 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1375751262 603737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game economy shifted around and left them sitting on top of a pile of resources they weren't equipped to defend < 1375751505 803859 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375751673 825366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The lambdabot dice thing says "shachaf:" even in /msg. < 1375752650 169638 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://designislaw.tumblr.com/post/57473412060/ what in the fuck < 1375753038 726383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "overlapping rectangle picture format"? I do have idea for making up such a thing, though. < 1375753135 7769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can people sustain these levels of anger < 1375753172 450131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: chronic physical pain hth < 1375753194 309891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tfh < 1375753203 987082 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean by "overlapping rectangle", is it a sort of layers? < 1375753252 617134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I mean that the picture is made up by a bunch of rectangles, all of which are black, and everywhere other than such rectangle is white space. < 1375753282 793032 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mostly i was reacting to like the wi-fi thing. < 1375753296 236682 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there might be an image format based on quadtrees. < 1375753316 954956 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375753323 327934 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but of course individual squares in the quadtree do not overlap, I know) < 1375753336 184595 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :svg? < 1375753374 503619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah, that's stupid and offensive. < 1375753452 838104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a program in TeX for printing .PBM pictures, but I think a more efficient format could be made up, using the following features: * It isn't too difficult to parse using TeX. * It is monochrome file. * It is ASCII format. * The data does not take up too much space. * It can be used with other programs too. * The output is efficient (such as using rectangles larger than individual pixels). * It can be scaled, but may have a default < 1375753867 477576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1375753946 394836 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1375753974 527846 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375754287 993099 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375754783 439091 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375754823 509591 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375755066 260148 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1375755081 812103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the IBM repair form assumes you live in a city with 8 or fewer letters in its name < 1375755084 839787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean doesn't everyone < 1375755194 849841 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1375755199 370906 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ ... really < 1375755199 571062 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... really < 1375755200 760487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are two fields for name, one of which is long enough to fit my name, one of which is not < 1375755201 837015 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me five tries to think of one that would fit < 1375755204 153069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"los angeles" < 1375755205 869349 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1375755212 688900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"san francisco" < 1375755221 718845 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um um um "new york" that fits < 1375755272 290808 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new york city < 1375755276 918907 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of Portland. < 1375755293 987632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chicago"? < 1375755365 353267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, the city's name is New York < 1375755429 750307 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just give the nearest airport code. Surely that's precise enough? < 1375755448 119607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nearest airport code to me is in another state, probably < 1375755507 974966 :sacje!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375755509 50022 :sacje!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Changing host < 1375755509 250140 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375755545 571991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: keeg mcall from sanfranc < 1375755559 200425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :, californ < 1375755583 800694 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMCALL~1 < 1375755675 99661 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, damn, that's probably what actually happened. < 1375755680 370142 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does kmc have a middle name? i hope it's "Mc" < 1375755713 700033 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone decided to store the information as files on an 8.3 filesystem. < 1375755758 729844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keegan #drugz mcallister < 1375755761 391178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the # < 1375755777 70108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pronounced "kay octothorpe drugz em cee") < 1375755923 960445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: itym "sulamit drugz" < 1375755928 510326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1375755979 759898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym drogues < 1375755994 390077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although idk why kmc's so interested in parachutes < 1375756469 412201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose "Sanfranc" should be sufficient. < 1375756513 432627 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Saint Francis, Wisconsin < 1375756541 881319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "15.6" HD (1366 x 768)" < 1375756542 164390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can enter the state too then it might help, though. < 1375756553 841751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The state can be given by a two-letter abbreviation, too, if needed.) < 1375756567 593930 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh, I know, use the city and state fields to enter geographical coordinates. < 1375756618 794158 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you have numeric filenames in DOS? < 1375756630 72031 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please mail to 1600 PENN AVE NW, 38-8976N 77-0366W" < 1375756638 500930 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by burrito drone < 1375756653 972790 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, "20500", almost forgot. < 1375756655 803078 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1375756660 800497 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, flying a drone in that particular area might be a bit problematic < 1375756663 592406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've met multiple people recently who would say e.g. "hashtag esoteric" for this channel < 1375756678 12086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "hashtag" is yet another name for # now < 1375756711 951480 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never pronounced the # in IRC channel names, the scant few times I've had to refer to IRC channels out loud. < 1375756752 681751 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still "sharp" for me, thankfully < 1375756770 36062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♯esoteric < 1375756774 709780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♯drugz < 1375756791 71442 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1375756805 812610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♭esoteric < 1375756809 881966 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :& looks kind of like a flat symbol if you squint and give yourself presbyopia. < 1375756842 484652 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1375756855 275247 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1375756870 518261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1375756874 869980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1375756903 333137 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a b like everyone else. < 1375756957 694572 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is for server-local channels. < 1375756990 293856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375757013 436543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: Yes, that is what it is in IRC. # is network, & is local to server, + is network modeless, ! is network with server-side codes added to the name to prevent takeovers from netsplits. < 1375757029 696394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have any document with proposals for improving the IRC protocols? < 1375757041 16017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/..$/?/ < 1375757050 712664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On servers that support all channel types, you shouldn't use the # type because other types works better. < 1375757074 824017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1375757110 904665 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen any network that supports the latter two types. < 1375757221 12790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The types &!+ are all immune (although for three different reasons). I think I have seen some networks that support those types, but it isn't very common, it appears. < 1375757247 368177 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :immune... to the irc plague? < 1375757270 254273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are immune to netsplits. < 1375757341 722844 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1375757382 944308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :immune to hugz < 1375757510 853398 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375757564 775789 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375757903 22952 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1375758349 594092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 38 < 1375758350 964599 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 38: shachaf nooodl < 1375758753 535355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Thanks! < 1375758761 735030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find it? < 1375758856 914573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex (the precompiled .dvi is also available) < 1375758870 984786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that should be noted somewhere. < 1375758876 566949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, perhaps we should make it so that whatever `*lists are mentioned so you can write "`? `danddreclist" so you know. < 1375758904 458995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex (the precompiled .dvi is also available)' > wisdom/danddreclist < 1375758907 614467 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1375758914 705495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? danddreclist < 1375758916 505858 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex (the precompiled .dvi is also available) < 1375758958 520574 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist < 1375758960 347640 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1375758960 674549 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1375758960 954743 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          o/`¯º < 1375758981 348423 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.' >wisdom/slist < 1375758984 87595 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1375758997 795012 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick.' >wisdom/olist < 1375759001 455864 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1375759019 665194 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf can write something humorous for `smlist. < 1375759051 735514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 'Update notification for the webcomic Super Mega.' hth < 1375759074 292156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those descriptions are not good, though. < 1375759090 786421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should have a URL, and they shouldn't say "webcomic". < 1375759115 56050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably that would help a bit. < 1375759144 37112 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1375759182 448938 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1375759217 244946 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Most networks use timestamping for # channels by default to resolve netsplit collisions, so a separate type is superfluous. < 1375759262 236549 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375759303 465458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: Well, it makes ! superfluous anyways, but still only if the network is programmed to use the protocol that does that. Also, it doesn't make + superfluous. < 1375759650 357642 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375759793 28183 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375759870 792229 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375760050 456612 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375761863 922024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375762229 449936 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375762381 832419 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375764378 402397 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1375765650 809638 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1375765747 692918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read my Dungeons&Dragons game latest one? < 1375765948 348641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1375765955 873523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you set up some way for me to read it in my browser? < 1375765961 403689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make it much easier. < 1375766000 653424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either serve it as plaintext with text/plain (e.g. with a symlink level20.txt?) or as HTML or as PDF. < 1375766297 990549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prefix the URL with "view-source:" that might work in some browsers. < 1375766336 584142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can make bets on what would happen next in this game. < 1375766381 874007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also add a .htaccess to make it serve as text/plain. < 1375766562 537155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed it now. < 1375766595 624038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: The number after "`danddreclist" is the session number.) < 1375766618 44212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Now it is text/plain I made the .htaccess to override that file < 1375767096 20721 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1375767494 665287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Thanks! < 1375767501 355630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of feel bad because application/x-tex is more correct. < 1375767509 965646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my browser is bad. < 1375769120 914309 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1375769654 439780 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1375769716 239159 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/rtFkBme.gif < 1375769839 71159 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375769916 596781 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, seal. < 1375770013 368652 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a pretty bad loop < 1375770027 598157 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone can identify with rotating seal. < 1375770579 173651 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His ratings are off the charts < 1375770703 432252 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he alienates his original fans who are generally cynical and depressed and popularity-averse. < 1375770732 50469 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seal deals with this by rotating. < 1375770789 295908 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He owes nothing to you < 1375772979 293728 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G_IU5lK1E8 even in 2029, when we have 32 TB pages, we will use IPv4 < 1375772982 623197 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have slow-ass terms < 1375773167 515091 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375773634 266524 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow-ass terms without properly aligned text! < 1375773656 894856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok but this aesthetic is fantastic. < 1375773674 435952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what's going on but still < 1375774019 785627 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375774099 424114 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It actually uses your local IP address. < 1375775030 841973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does malloc(sizeof(Macro)) cause a segmentation fault even though usually it doesn't? < 1375775046 797393 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-142.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375775148 691378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the heap is corrupted by something else before you get to that call < 1375775176 986783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes I suppose that might cause it. < 1375775270 565309 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375775397 917100 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1375777177 532784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1375777439 901701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1375777445 963358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1375777452 481837 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1375777463 911943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko. < 1375777979 658341 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-142.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'day < 1375777987 175756 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1375778971 357902 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1375779566 981747 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1375780039 394080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1375780050 656054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know most `olist readers have never played d&d?? < 1375780177 841958 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375780233 451823 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-20-118-11.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1375780984 373985 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1375781211 955584 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-142.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not < 1375781314 635936 :BlueShark!BlueShark@unaffiliated/blueshark NICK :BlueShark_ < 1375781439 853108 :BlueShark_!BlueShark@unaffiliated/blueshark NICK :BlueShark < 1375781496 178848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome BlueShark < 1375781499 644871 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13BlueShark: Welcome to t03he international hub for esoteric program08min10g language design and deployment! For mor09e 11information, c05heck out our wik08i: http05://es14ol02angs.or13g11/wik09i/Mai13n08_04Page.06 (For 07the other kind o04f04 14eso13te05r05ica, 06try #esoteric on ir06c.dal.ne13t08.) < 1375781907 293545 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1375782043 81831 :desu__!~katla@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1375782200 376115 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1375782297 491068 :desu__!~katla@unaffiliated/katla NICK :katla < 1375782869 298268 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1375783365 881019 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-142.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1375783523 587496 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375783948 553267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1375785295 729514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank you for emailing GIGABYTE. We are delighted with your interest in our products. This is a known issue. Please contact Seagate technical support for latest firmware of Samsung HD105SI. (Seagate took over Samsung HDD business)." < 1375785305 276586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I might get my SYSTEM to WORK. < 1375785446 177832 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samsung had a HDD business? < 1375785486 246308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was a "brand" only, maybe? I don't know. < 1375785497 498480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223631en "This patch code is released in order to solve the compatibilty problem between some motherboards (the AMD SB850 chipset and the Intel P67/H67 chipset) and Samsung-brand hard drives, F3 and F3EG models only." < 1375785501 960524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1375785520 388129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I *did* search for updates before, but couldn't find any; only found this via some direct googling.) < 1375785615 727516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow! < 1375785616 141561 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a little picture of ED MCMAHON doing BAD THINGS to JOAN RIVERS < 1375785616 393764 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a $200,000 MALIBU BEACH HOUSE!! < 1375785633 49788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1375785644 872280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow indeed < 1375785663 43475 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should remove that picture from the Malibu beach house. < 1375785674 214047 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diagram_of_Hard_Disk_Drive_Manufacturer_Consolidation.svg < 1375785711 559938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I just installed an operating system on a different disk this morning. Now I need to decide whether it'll be faster to try moving and resizing it, or just reinstall. (Probably to reinstall.) < 1375785768 221736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"List of defunct hard disk manufacturers" has an (unintentionally?) hilarious title. < 1375785778 509938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, I'm not going to buy one of *those*." < 1375786213 263787 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1375786607 541066 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375786884 625982 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1375786901 124610 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375788250 402212 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :``The equivalent of 'tar xf' is 'cpio -i -d -m' (BSD cpio) or 'cpio -i --make-directories --preserve-modification-time --no-absolute-filenames' (GNU cpio).'' < 1375788251 714303 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `The: not found < 1375788443 138285 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375788494 957637 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :--make-directories is -d and --preserve-modification-time is -m < 1375788527 148689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use cpio -dim and don't extract weird cpio files < 1375788592 882877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cpio -bright" < 1375788652 826596 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpio -mid if antonyms confuse you. < 1375789816 910929 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375790761 442515 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1375791180 749645 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1375791210 444018 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1375792346 517577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "cpio -early" "cpio -late" (cf. http://sprunge.us/GNZF for refs). < 1375792404 20742 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, that's quite roundabout. < 1375792434 85398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, "cpio -extreme" or some-such. < 1375792524 242801 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If related words confuse you then you're probably screwed anyway. < 1375792574 264600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm easily confused. < 1375792627 361560 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll probably try to use unzip instead of cpio. < 1375792627 629417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cpio -idm" -> Intelligent Dance Music -> most antonymical music subgenre -> cpio -something. < 1375792646 250614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what the opposite of IDM is.) < 1375792723 339968 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumb Noise? < 1375792741 692399 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumb Arythmic Noise < 1375792746 111122 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpio -dan < 1375792801 324321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hDFZ I was sort of not expecting to end up on a permanent announcement mailing list. < 1375792913 100321 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot < 1375792921 63288 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375793054 491666 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375793413 305309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1375793834 973035 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375793857 67901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375794095 566010 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1375795437 637241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used their bus once in June.) < 1375795463 915550 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Summer? You are a loon!) < 1375795624 738710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, it was too long a walk. < 1375795647 608128 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. I'm glad we had this talk. < 1375795669 819203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you did there. (But only just now.) < 1375795671 638322 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good fizzie-met-taneb morning! < 1375795688 919120 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome fizzie < 1375795691 439285 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13fizzie: Welcome to05 the international h07ub for esoteric pro14g04ramming lang07uage desig05n and deployment! F08or 10more informatio12n, chec06k o08ut our wik09i: http://10e10solan10gs.org/wiki14/08Main_04P05age. (For08 the other kind of esoteri07ca, try #09es04oteric on irc.da09l.n06et.06) < 1375795717 522317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1375795813 705076 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a poetic flair. I'm glad there's no row. < 1375795980 465480 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought IDM was dumb arrhythmic noise < 1375796031 965721 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that that's Chinese Water Torture < 1375796132 433056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Taneb sounding like a markov bot < 1375796174 155670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Except one that rhymes a lot. < 1375796174 614450 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've missed half the conversation and decided to reply in rhyme without logreading < 1375796180 125458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you do poetry? < 1375796180 543901 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: black is white. up is down. their mysql backend must've crashed like three times, each time i run it < 1375796191 44195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the answer is a resounding yes. < 1375796204 841561 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1375796205 104038 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1375796218 172949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very avant-garde < 1375796220 185364 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether that counts as poetry is anyone's guess. < 1375796233 226159 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron < 1375796233 490387 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) < 1375796243 873848 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's your best limerick? < 1375796244 424820 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: over the next two to the finish line. index 3 of the costs not covered. subject: attached you will find to be next one. < 1375796293 594282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many people on this channel. let's group them according to their similarities! < 1375796295 441397 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1375796296 188033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1375796301 904604 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tie-wraps Taneb onto fungot
< 1375796302 309374 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: than the maximum hand size or pending draws for that board of appeals consists of three and fourteen days < 1375796306 862706 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1375796337 826873 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION duct tapes elliott to oerjan
< 1375796349 334335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I've clustered the people here a couple of times. < 1375796350 925080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm similar to elliott? < 1375796365 358520 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1375796365 624049 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1375796373 266011 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how do you feel? < 1375796375 282257 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: with bowers of vines and sweet blossoms, and seats and benches of marble and went down the steep slope that they might find men to whom he flung the remaining coil of fnord and after the crash there was nothing left standing in the street, swarthy, slender, and sinister with latent horror. hieroglyphics had covered the walls and windows shifted. nahum did not send her to the county asylum, but let her wander about the ho < 1375796398 782252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not sound very healthy < 1375796415 280182 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah. I just wanted to see what happens. you know. for pure scientific reasons. yeah. science. *whistles* < 1375796463 152695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: For example, here are some #esoteric people projected to two dimensions: http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/esomapnz.png < 1375796478 601243 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooah... < 1375796488 205412 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god, it's full of stars... < 1375796502 979438 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what are the axies? < 1375796522 13241 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: who is CADD? < 1375796531 786131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: First two principal components from a... I think something 34-dimensional. < 1375796532 514100 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you can /whois me.. < 1375796544 546789 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: who be you? < 1375796567 833253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: those are expectation-maximisation ellipses, yes? < 1375796599 895254 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that tells me a lot, lol < 1375796614 25330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: They're maximum-likelihood ellipses for 2D gaussians. You don't need EM to fit single ones. < 1375796622 595266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smells a lithuanian
< 1375796628 906775 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. my machine learning stuff is getting rusty. < 1375796631 380324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/esomap-comp.png here's the pre-projection variant, I think it will help. < 1375796631 685755 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exactly < 1375796651 673690 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: excellent < 1375796669 373926 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: very interesting < 1375796688 807286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very simple textual features. (The word classes are cheats.) < 1375796719 876698 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is all contemplative and swoonish
< 1375796720 856399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/esoconf.png and that's how well they work in a classifier. < 1375796743 434585 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good catch, most people guess greek < 1375796746 112220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it was a p. easy task, with just those ten folks and giant blobs of text.) < 1375796784 754693 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you easily recreate your figures with current members? < 1375796793 942989 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375796810 503122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: yeah i thought greek for a second but something was off < 1375796812 506331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No, but I have a much better set of figures that also aren't easily recreatable. < 1375796820 363468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There's a SVM classifier and everything. < 1375796830 194601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: (Sadly, I don't remember where I put them.) < 1375796866 775927 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really went full force on that. I should get back on track with ML; those were fun times. < 1375796889 866258 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well with your last name im guessing you are somewhere in scandinavia < 1375796969 614596 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ML is great! you should join us in #machinelearning < 1375796977 907301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'll tell you the story of the cheated word class features in these plots, it's sort of related. < 1375796981 402335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Basically, anything that'd actually try some parsing would've been terribly slow and/or not much better than guessing, so I assigned each word a word class based on its wordnet entry; if the word had entries in several categories, I picked the one with the highest frequency in wordnet's tagged texts. < 1375796986 785888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: So every instance of, say, "die", has been considered a verb. < 1375797019 539186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to find the newer plots. Possibly because I have a habit of naming files things like "blort4.png". (Cf. http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/blort4.png ) < 1375797079 719561 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if I ever get back to academia, I'll name a figure “blort4” in your honour, and have a crappitude somewhere in the article. < 1375797112 427403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite recall what's the proper name for the metric called "crappitude" in that graph. < 1375797141 364651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the average of within-class accuracy. < 1375797152 995516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Distinct from accuracy if the classes are of non-uniform size.) < 1375797172 923980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably it's a misleading name, because you want to have a high crappitude. < 1375797210 859682 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should create a graph of fizziliciousness < 1375797230 948343 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375797250 945470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/alise_vs_vorpal.png I have no idea whatsoever what's happening here, but it's certainly something #esoteric-related. < 1375797252 802638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a coincidence that fizzie and boily are both properties held by some liquids? < 1375797275 665805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: As far as you know. < 1375797278 154821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, so's elliott < 1375797289 634901 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HackEgo < 1375797298 796787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a liquid? < 1375797307 343892 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some liquids are elliott < 1375797321 527450 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "That's some very elliott coffee" < 1375797321 782775 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stirs elliott with a spoon
< 1375797341 284001 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thwacks Taneb with a not quite ripe banana
< 1375797349 456423 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375797354 563605 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so, you can recognize us just by the words we use or...? < 1375797462 679442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: With the features used above, only for a sufficiently (read: very) large sample. Otherwise there's too much noise in the statistics. (Since they're things like word length distributions and the like.) < 1375797493 470234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it doesn't really look at any words, except for the counts of particular things like classes of pronouns. < 1375797509 337466 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that also assumes that your language patterns dont drift either < 1375797524 96684 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i wonder what an optimal classifer of us would look like, one that actually used words as features < 1375797536 746389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: i'm norwegian < 1375797551 792838 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool cool < 1375797604 775310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Adversarial Stylometry: Circumventing Authorship Recognition to Preserve Privacy and Anonymity" -- https://psal.cs.drexel.edu/index.php/Main_Page -- was recently featured in /.. < 1375797625 109353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can use that to avoid being recognized on #esoteric.) < 1375797637 85313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly combining that with changing your nickname would be advisable, however.) < 1375797701 927291 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and perhaps with connecting from a different network than usual) < 1375797728 118504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And possibly taking a bath first.) < 1375798199 834399 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375799409 156705 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1375799908 906250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> not (3 < 5) < 1375799910 13608 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1375799980 609766 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /dev/urandom >> lambdabot < 1375800020 848328 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once did `cat /dev/urandom` while connected via PuTTY < 1375800026 704401 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY didn't really like it < 1375800027 987881 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1375800354 148256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1375802008 125311 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval not (3 < 5) < 1375802010 774945 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1375802012 402031 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval not (3 < 5) < 1375802014 204602 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1375802101 633631 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375802142 40816 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375802313 789360 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375802337 540225 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval (35 > 2) < 1375802337 967714 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): :1:3: lexical error at character '\SYN' < 1375802443 783718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go and syn no more < 1375802460 356086 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1375802522 415975 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1375802535 814678 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCC0E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1375802613 456496 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: what are you trying to do exactly, you vile elliotty bot abuser? < 1375802635 467157 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm experimenting < 1375802641 654150 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some bots strip control codes < 1375802647 132393 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like this bot doesn't =P < 1375803370 46189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1375803808 445674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making a boot floppy, in 2013. < 1375804192 670240 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1375804194 161336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Samsung drive flash utility only works from DOS, and does not work in the computer that can't see the drives, so I had to use an old desktop from the closet, and it's too stupid to boot from USB and I don't want to waste a CD-R.) < 1375804194 412342 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice =)< < 1375804201 91805 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1375804207 743383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the flash utility was too big to fit on a floppy (1.7M). < 1375804225 315641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately the computer in question was new enough to support USB storage emulation, even if it doesn't boot from one. < 1375804480 949663 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1375804784 141241 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1375804875 810091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everybody < 1375804901 235967 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375804936 482760 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375804952 865127 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Heya < 1375805512 681692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: awesome < 1375805554 27910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflashing hard drives is always a party < 1375805574 542504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it when Samsung released a fix for a critical data loss issue but didn't bother bumping the version number, so you couldn't tell if your drives had it already < 1375806064 397570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reflash made the drive appear and work everywhere else, except that Windows 8 setup utility says Windows cannot be installed on it because "the system may not support booting from it", or some-such. < 1375806083 671408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same applies to the SSD, but not the two disks reserved for Linux use. < 1375806273 574354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1375806281 367648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything unusual about these drives < 1375806452 169940 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1375807192 684629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, apparently none of the shader code I ever wrote compiles with Mesa ): < 1375807283 346076 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, got it to work by making all integer constants into float constants < 1375807461 889192 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@192.147.44.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375807511 825776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means just putting a whole lot of decimal points all over the place < 1375807679 71501 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1375808013 515346 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375808593 123565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it great how every renderer implements a slightly different shader language < 1375808627 347828 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes" < 1375808841 236348 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define "yes" maybe < 1375808850 69487 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bret Victor - The Future of Programming http://vimeo.com/71278954 < 1375808914 191143 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yes < 1375808915 697397 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1375808915 980468 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          | < 1375808916 226023 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        º¯`\o < 1375808943 19290 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really switch to a monospaced font >_> < 1375809154 66723 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you're not using papyrus, I guess everything's fine. < 1375809167 622651 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe papyrus is the secret to understanding fungot?) < 1375809168 375535 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i talked with the policemen, seemed at first as perplexed as armitage and his companions ride on fnord or in fnord chariots. carter and his guide climbed up an alley that was all they ever did was clutch and fly and fnord that was not of < 1375809211 976525 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1375809394 137707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a monospace version of comic sans? < 1375809486 162883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't you write code in comic sans? < 1375809487 384279 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i soon found that it slipped from sight as quickly as i had never before been an extravagant dreamer. many of these took lodgings in the battered houses that had once known the songs of iranon. but though the dreaded martenses were gone, whilst most of the fine scroll-and-urn overmantels and fnord cupboard fnord were gone, pabodie, sherman, ropes, sherman, and the < 1375809517 78833 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!style c64 < 1375809519 554792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess that counts as avoiding the subject < 1375809609 116088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1375809609 396031 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1375809621 205570 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pabodie, sherman. sherman. sherman. sherman. < 1375809621 766704 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if not impossible. if the msb of the video matrix and character dot-data area to act as the current status of that register, switch in the mob-mob collision bit for each sprite can be used < 1375809888 400038 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1375809888 688016 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1375809903 153731 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1375809903 399638 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1375809914 6020 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: GO! =P < 1375809914 284676 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: looking glass, mirror: " if you don't need any help from the silver mountain, while he was born from the cave; the ferocious fear the only good djinni is a long-drawn-out affair. fresh whole tripe calls for a good talisman if handled right. < 1375809919 672299 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1375809920 787527 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1375809921 624541 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1375810019 95146 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played Djinni yet; I'm still waiting for 0.13 to be out of trunk. < 1375810390 860011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: mismatched types: expected `u32` but found `uint` (expected uint but found u32) < 1375810645 74969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: advice: dont < 1375810714 474590 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but... all I wanted is to die in new creative ways... won't djinni even offer me that simple pleasure? < 1375810743 392033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Turns out that creating partitions on the disk and then restarting the installer made it consider the disk kosher. < 1375810775 815949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had put an empty GPT disklabel on it, and I guess that was maybe too confusing? < 1375810862 830518 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375811147 774668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:21:04 The reflash made the drive appear and work everywhere else, except that Windows 8 setup utility says Windows cannot be installed on it because "the system may not support booting from it", or some-such. < 1375811159 15159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this means "it's GPT but I'm not sure you have EFI" < 1375811170 104175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows only supports booting GPT from EFI < 1375811268 152818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had already set the bios to UEFI-only boot. < 1375811280 801492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess it could've been just confuzzled. < 1375811508 392290 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1375811554 124704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "set the bios to UEFI-only" < 1375811708 463619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? I didn't want to boot in legacy mode by accident. < 1375811782 364090 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this the thing where uefi is a replacement for bios < 1375811806 577750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1375811840 346444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was holding off trying to think of a good analogy to describe my reaction to that statement but failed < 1375811842 783984 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. I have sacramental bread stuck to my lips. < 1375811847 239038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1375811863 293768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Is it still sacramental bread, or is it already Jesus? < 1375811866 314561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare I ask why < 1375811906 257970 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no jesus yet. < 1375811912 281970 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you may dare. < 1375812202 837875 :gsteinbrenner!~gsteinbre@74.121.38.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375812226 705465 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome gsteinbrenner < 1375812229 220172 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04gsteinbrenn13er: Welcome11 to the 04interna06tion04al hub for eso09teric programming language de08s11ig02n 13and deployment! 03For more inf13ormation, ch03eck out12 our 11wiki: http://11e11solangs.org10/wiki08/Main_Pag12e. (F09o11r the other k14i09nd 11of esoteric09a, try 07#esot12e10ri10c on irc.dal.net.) < 1375812249 960651 :gsteinbrenner!~gsteinbre@74.121.38.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1375812252 507998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I have no dares < 1375812255 278303 :gsteinbrenner!~gsteinbre@74.121.38.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel seems promising < 1375812263 586648 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1375812316 425636 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1375812336 872522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, I would think that to make a disk kosher you would have to cover it in salt and bury it for two weeks < 1375812344 471214 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the truth is that a colleague has «retailles d'hosties» on his desk (you can get them for very cheap at grocery stores). these things are evil, and become like glue if you let them on your lips for too long. < 1375812347 580401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D < 1375812348 724270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1375812357 682028 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, those =P < 1375812365 417286 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't taste like anything though < 1375812368 391570 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why even have them < 1375812397 898338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were there, and I was hungry. < 1375812422 59726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: read that as computer disk < 1375812424 663091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can recommend the experience < 1375812435 694911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke on what fizzie said < 1375812439 229011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1375812442 736780 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: sure, I could have had a banana, but our new batch's morphogenic field is already too weak, and I don't like pears. < 1375812443 527420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually look at what fizzie said though < 1375812446 526994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's okay < 1375812447 55937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job elliott < 1375812450 438734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :team player < 1375812456 207719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he was talking about some disk problem before, I think < 1375812508 993958 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Est-ce qu'on parle des mêmes bananes? o_0 < 1375812516 188645 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1375812524 164939 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke de banane molle < 1375812526 191194 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it < 1375812527 885602 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1375812535 28042 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome soft banana < 1375812537 525192 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​05so09ft:06 ban02ana: Wel08co11me to12 14t04he international hub for esoter11ic 08progr03amming languag10e design and deploy03ment! For more informatio13n14, 12check out our wiki: h07ttp://esolangs.o03rg/w03iki/Main_Page. (02For the other ki11nd of esoteric04a06, try #e06sote13ri04c 04on irc.dal.net.) < 1375812549 335133 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat dog < 1375812551 89156 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: dog: No such file or directory < 1375812555 328414 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375812556 838189 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom < 1375812558 6035 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�k����nC�v��k�jx���q�c�1}��K�*�hOgiӸ��@�4۸��j��0r˭S� �9��"����Ѿ��!���\���E���Z��X < 1375812565 306705 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it? < 1375812566 106273 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1375812591 378079 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1375812592 817289 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�_E�%n��tC�\ \ ?+�)i/���}�G_<"�,�b < 1375812599 466118 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1375812624 609331 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Cthulhu < 1375812626 994604 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Cthulhu13:11 Welcome t09o t06he 12int05e11rnational h07ub fo14r esoteric programm12ing lan07guage design a10n08d depl12oyment! For more informati11o05n, check out our 10wiki: http://08e09solangs12.06o04rg/12wiki/Main_Page. (For the o03ther11 04kind of14 esoterica, tr02y #esot04er09ic on irc.06d08al.net.) < 1375812629 335178 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1375812632 568881 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not permanent < 1375812634 861191 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice < 1375812709 266675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, sounds like we have some thunder rolling in < 1375812715 506826 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, nice < 1375812794 501042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love `? ngevd < 1375812844 977624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the many high points of `? < 1375813083 638243 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1375813084 60417 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 061800Z 21010KT 30SM FEW040 BKN240 24/12 A3007 RMK CU1CI5 SLP182 DENSITY ALT 1000FT < 1375813101 302498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: where were you, again? < 1375813115 36917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1375813125 660804 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that output so hard to parse? =P < 1375813137 10926 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does `? ngevd always put out garbage? < 1375813137 960925 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1375813139 651213 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​������y�uݴl�*y��q��yhq��fj�#��q�L�'�>��L����|��9�\���2)_�O < 1375813142 588201 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1375813146 399770 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ? < 1375813148 90341 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom < 1375813161 474589 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a way, I guess =P < 1375813182 176615 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? !echo `? < 1375813183 199991 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: METARs are for airplane pilots, with a (not quite, in fact far from it) standard format. < 1375813183 673323 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!echo `?? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1375813184 244807 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                | < 1375813184 526648 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              º¯`\o < 1375813196 240870 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo Hats < 1375813197 909803 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSL < 1375813198 431848 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hats < 1375813198 651706 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSL 061750Z 16006KT 9999NDV SHRA SCT025CB 20/19 Q1011 < 1375813208 882165 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, SHRA! lucky you! < 1375813210 902800 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oh, cool =) < 1375813293 850082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does 9999NDV mean? < 1375813301 193373 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time I see that. < 1375813341 119527 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“No Direction Variable”. < 1375813370 801781 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another source cites “No Direction Visibility”. < 1375813382 614844 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, standards < 1375813506 344329 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 9999 means “don't even think about being bothered about ground visibility” and NDV is “and if you're thinking of it, direction doesn't matter”. hth. < 1375813788 891182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks, I'm not so worried about the visibility now < 1375813821 967562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how humidity seems to be recorded in dewpoint temperature rather than e.g. humidity < 1375813852 133298 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, we're at 47.0%. < 1375813951 795004 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're at 94.0%. I think it's pouring outside. < 1375814021 105487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually raining now, just ominously rainylooking < 1375814060 349634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which distance are you from ESSL? < 1375814074 148926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 minutes or so < 1375814081 870944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hichaf < 1375814110 187234 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: by car? < 1375814170 509627 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :by foot! < 1375814204 634177 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're probably in northern linköping. how much do you weigh? < 1375814239 158170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1375814249 128625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1375814250 389367 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-67-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375814252 445195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going? < 1375814311 76879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleeping is back to being kind of messed up :'( < 1375814323 495926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was waking up at ~7 for a while, it was nice < 1375814378 765111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been waking up around 07:30 but failing to actually get out of bed until like 08:10 < 1375814379 130442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-200-199.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375814382 258577 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'll put you on Norrköpingsvägen in my file. < 1375814400 986690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of schedule would be fine with me < 1375814416 139075 :desu__!~katla@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1375814423 116867 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome desu__ < 1375814425 458790 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02d08esu__: Welcome to 02the in06ternational 11hub for11 esoteric 14programming langua10ge04 design 05and deplo04ym09en07t! For more 10in12formation, check o06ut our wiki08: http:07//05es05olang02s.org/w14iki/Main_Page. (For10 the other kind of06 eso07terica, try 05#es10oteric on12 irc.dal.net.) < 1375814431 604626 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375814454 545648 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome sacje < 1375814456 943480 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08sacje: Welcome 07to11 the in04ternational h08ub07 for esoteric 09programming l08a13n14guage d12esign an13d deployment! 02For m07ore11 information, 14ch09eck out our09 wiki: 02h10tt12p://e09so13langs.org/03w08iki/Main_P14age. (06Fo12r th14e other kind of esoterica,11 try #esoteric on irc.dal.net13.)10 < 1375814476 545301 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you Roujo < 1375814495 46905 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'relcome ^^ < 1375814522 188779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: Have you considered the many advantages of a seven-letter nick? < 1375814531 627854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd be much better off with one. < 1375814556 190475 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1375814566 793292 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: don't listen to that unorthodox heretic. 5 is the way to godliness. < 1375814605 232458 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Meh. I'm aither named Roujo or Skynet, really. < 1375814611 611143 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: still going on about that? < 1375814614 822739 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Gilnaur/Feyllin in games. < 1375814619 506391 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But never on IRC < 1375814620 661862 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1375814660 925033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you can keep your five-letter nick < 1375814725 711378 :desu__!~katla@unaffiliated/katla NICK :katla < 1375814731 137451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-200-199.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375814751 633606 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So, advantages, you say? Do tell. < 1375814847 810620 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-214-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375815084 847399 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375815511 471268 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCC0E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/2013062200] < 1375815773 440211 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375815830 821502 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-214-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375816016 270163 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so according to this speaker voice they were going to reveal "the identity of the 12th doctor" < 1375816050 463221 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375816153 14720 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375816156 65227 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1375816223 377122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This partition is formatted with the ntfs." Oh debian-installer, you so funny. < 1375816536 135111 :Gregor!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should participate in the IOCCC but I have no ideas :( < 1375816578 52939 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm perusing the crawl sources through gitk, and I stumbled upon a commit about “nooodl-y vaults (#7353)”. < 1375816579 819030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: maybe you should participate in icfpc < 1375816583 716293 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from our own nooodl? < 1375816590 661444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i do that? i have 4 hours to decide < 1375816594 830877 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-20-118-11.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes < 1375816599 851224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: :D < 1375816609 771948 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-20-118-11.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in CREDITS.txt, too! < 1375816609 987299 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :icfp always seems so boring to me < 1375816625 960195 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-20-118-11.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :all for making some crappy vaults < 1375816627 781435 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont unerstand how people can bear playing it < 1375816629 234289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: when is it? < 1375816645 458220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :icfpc? < 1375816646 139846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: In 52 hours or so. < 1375816648 311526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the elliotts are also me < 1375816652 99185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am nooodl) < 1375816658 176947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registration deadline is 48 hours before. < 1375816680 59740 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you enter without registering? < 1375816683 119152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1375816705 533524 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ties ellioerjan to nooodl with hemp rope
< 1375816710 753893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To participate in the contest you need to pre-register with EasyChair. The pre-registration will close 72 hours prior to the contest, so register now." < 1375816738 708928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need to pre-register for the contest, 48 hours prior (extended from 72h) to the contest at the latest." < 1375816742 608886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :difficultchair < 1375816751 317641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this year's contest will involve an element of program synthesis" < 1375816792 872139 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :im kind of interested but i know ill give up as soon as i see the actual problem set :/ < 1375816880 830026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they using what appears to be a system for submitting papers? < 1375816919 612324 :Gregor!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're part of ICFP. < 1375816925 971225 :Gregor!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably just inherited the system from that. < 1375817035 428106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this system was used before? I don't know. < 1375817203 566043 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone paste me the challenge once its released < 1375817214 858289 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe itll be an annoyig one where you have to submit to test your code < 1375817220 469242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I enter the ICFPC? I'd probably suck at it < 1375817230 258968 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should enter if you're going to seriously try < 1375817267 111130 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a solo project by a bored teenager against teams of professionals possibly < 1375817293 988164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :professional icfpc competitor < 1375817306 38809 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1375817425 178978 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1375817430 238798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What challenge is that? Does it involve submitting a paper? < 1375817433 180629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Fix a Kirke crash by deporkalating transiting hogs correctly.” :D < 1375817464 830198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, it involves writing a programs. < 1375817499 238583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICFP_Programming_Contest#Past_tasks < 1375817521 828325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the program is written in WEB then you can submit a papers too, though? < 1375817544 529653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want. < 1375817559 891932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming languages do they use? And it says "what appears to be a system for submitting papers" so is it a system for submitting papers or not? < 1375817561 430485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once the contest is finished, a few teams will be asked to submit two page document describing their solutions to be considered for the judges prize. < 1375817580 690810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a system which was designed for submitting papers but instead it's used for registering your team for the contest. < 1375817769 852844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have something like a team to register yourself with? < 1375817770 789242 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375817781 528681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a team? < 1375817793 168466 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just registered as an individual < 1375817802 539244 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's teams or individuals < 1375817814 980458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Me? No. < 1375817824 688626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will probably not do the contest. < 1375817870 500418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you are using a system designed for something else. It seems also like how registration for Z-Comp uses a system designed for a MUD (to enter Z-Comp, you register an account on ifMUD, and then go into my apartment, and then go northwest, and then fill up the forms in that room; but first you have to calculate the SHA-1 hash of your entry before filling up the forms). < 1375817920 230981 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where is your apartment? < 1375817933 649958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The apartment number is 11011 < 1375817934 892616 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1375817944 442295 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1375817993 328747 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free [] almost represents S-expressions < 1375818001 49270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean, IRL, unless if 11011 is already irly, then it's fine. I was subtly trying to subvertly extract your approximate coördinates. < 1375818012 949274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It has no location IRL. < 1375818030 619960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want my approximate coordinates the best thing you can do is by the IP address.) < 1375818054 449402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about your (approximate?) body weigh? < 1375818066 739343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't figure it out recently and I don't want to tell to you. < 1375818167 819445 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Delta, BC? < 1375818180 920122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, that's close enough. < 1375818361 109246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know my ifMUD apartment has three floors, and the top one is rotating? < 1375818538 190083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are tempting me with your mud talk. < 1375818847 40471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temple is so bright, that I install a darkness generator, so that it is a bit less bright. < 1375819037 662891 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it, ifMUD is like minecraft? < 1375819059 780030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1375819093 587031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You look (you can connect as a guest if you do not want to registration) < 1375819103 620897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is ifmud.org port 4000 < 1375819390 941848 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1375819565 723321 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375819627 82070 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375819751 491023 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do I reach your apartment? < 1375819778 331406 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1375819787 3475 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-134-171.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375819797 392427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The closest place you can teleport to is #20080. (Type '@teleport #20080') < 1375819801 562176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then type 11011 to enter. < 1375819870 512030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slime? bletch! < 1375820036 363655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this I wrote some messages in side of there < 1375820055 691625 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds interesting. < 1375820099 908535 :gsteinbrenner!~gsteinbre@74.121.38.200 QUIT :Quit: gsteinbrenner < 1375820300 964413 :pqh!~paulhodge@74.121.38.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375820483 681647 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fun! < 1375820513 412496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write 'finger zzo38' then you can see my plan contains a quine. < 1375820571 572264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @print command in JotaCode is for concatenating strings; it doesn't actually print anything. < 1375820883 692676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ping < 1375820883 972469 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong! < 1375820931 432644 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JotaCode feels very esoteric... < 1375820963 94321 :pqh_!~paulhodge@fw-px.shutterfly.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375820965 963480 :pqh!~paulhodge@74.121.38.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1375820966 242753 :pqh_!~paulhodge@fw-px.shutterfly.com NICK :pqh < 1375820983 222636 :pqh!~paulhodge@fw-px.shutterfly.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1375821259 352863 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1375821417 105772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how reliable are those sound-of-keyboard attacks? I wonder if you could use that to make a wireless keyboard by just disconnecting your keyboard and connecting a microphone < 1375821447 203018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here in boston? < 1375821458 569862 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful of pianists who drum their keyboards! < 1375821522 703020 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think kmc is in boston. otherwise, the closest person is jsvine in NYC. < 1375821540 473095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc moved to caliland < 1375821574 33528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct < 1375821596 34109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk is in Boston and copumpkin is in connecticut < 1375821599 945770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither is in this channel :< < 1375821627 639118 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: looking at your nëw coördinates, the closest member is Fiora. < 1375821637 193491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you ever go in to Victoria, BC sometimes? < 1375821643 83772 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375821651 743546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nobody else in SF? < 1375821652 804546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you must not have coördinates from shachaf or Gracenotes then < 1375821653 563456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure zzo38 goes there most of the time < 1375821655 30002 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin used to be here, did he leave or is he just intermittent? < 1375821667 423888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or douglass_ or iamfishhead) < 1375821694 63647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask edwardk hi wanna be friends in boston < 1375821694 300646 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1375821705 513829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wasn't somebody here a MIT student? Vorpal? < 1375821708 763891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I completely imagining that? < 1375821741 445507 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: indeed. I don't have Gracenotes yet, and shachaf is the current Unchallenged Champion of Not Wanting to be Coördinated. < 1375821751 223437 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375821800 994379 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375821808 588857 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a few hours north of me, i gues < 1375821884 104935 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can I get your approximate coördinates and body weigh? as a bonus, you'll be the first entry in my file! < 1375821907 824856 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? megalun < 1375821909 934196 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :megalun is a chain of a million SCSI devices. FreeFull weighs 482 of them. < 1375821934 563795 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 north, 122 west, 200 lbs. < 1375821944 653985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would like to go to Vancouver sometime and maybe I would go to Victoria as well < 1375821968 334034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a passport so i gues canading would be hard < 1375821974 623882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should fix that < 1375821978 394050 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thanks! < 1375822015 274192 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canading is plenty worth it. you'll get to meet nice people, eat nice and healthy Canadian food, and enjoy the local scenery and mooses! < 1375822027 53928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get moose here anyway. < 1375822089 783584 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nedroid.com/2011/05/passport/ also < 1375822096 574255 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but our mooses are the most authenticest there is. < 1375822173 946175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nedroid.com/2013/05/oh-canada/ boily. < 1375822241 546017 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU LIE! < 1375822269 815161 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we... uhm... we don't have any fascination whatsoever to funnels. yes. we don't. right. no funnels. < 1375822306 105108 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: you don't have any funnels on you, do you? in fact, you don't even know what a funnel is? < 1375822311 134868 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION *wink* *wink*
< 1375822332 712772 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sm;oth < 1375822366 593769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck sm;oth < 1375822366 874697 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1375822382 340664 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: look, funnel! < 1375822403 184865 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twitches underneath his "poker" face
< 1375822597 304937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1375822881 765755 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375823009 134622 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: FUNNELS! < 1375823014 245732 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1375823027 185615 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1375823335 86088 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375823338 514829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody want to add fundeps to Rust < 1375823341 795568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would really make my day < 1375823441 623638 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know Rust had something fundeps could be applied to < 1375823469 305671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, should I learn Rust? is that a good idea or anything? < 1375823469 505621 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375823498 265208 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is the wave of the future, imo, < 1375823633 667273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it kind of accidentally sort of has multi-parameter typeclasses < 1375823693 86653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has single-parameter "traits" which are like typeclasses, but you can also parametrize a trait on other type variables (like parametrizing a struct or a function) < 1375823702 295491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say that Foo implements trait Bar < 1375823713 286562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like a 3-param typeclass except that the Foo location is still special in some ways < 1375823716 290045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda gross imo < 1375823721 86327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Java interfaces + generics are like this too? < 1375823761 861873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, public class Node> < 1375823793 236966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Rust is a cool and unique language; I suggest learning some stuff about it < 1375823813 876110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually writing and maintaining a library or something could be painful because the language still changes a huge amount every week < 1375823844 317238 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCC0E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1375823850 277503 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375823921 737059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375824330 756500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust actually looks at what has been happening in the programming language world < 1375824333 616759 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Go < 1375824376 177361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1375824397 805928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't really in the same niche either < 1375824470 756267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go uses garbage collection for everything, which is fine for many applications, but we already have Java, C#, Haskell, OCaml, Python, Ruby, JavaScript, etc. < 1375824495 966444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is a replacement for C++, which almost nobody else is seriously attempting < 1375824523 676879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the replacement for C? < 1375824560 256782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you know I should say "Rust is aiming to become a viable replacement for C++ years from now" < 1375824609 527300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Go as Java, simplified even further, with syntax weird enough that the "C is h4rdc0re" crowd will accept it < 1375824623 267240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have some things going (ha!) for it, though < 1375824785 346596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@MVPoliceBlotter "Man wearing Google Glass breaks window after walking into it while watching YouTube on El Camino Real near Calderon Ave." < 1375824785 546672 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1375824854 927301 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375824934 967538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if they are making a replacement of C as well or only of C++? There are some variants of C which are mostly C, such as Cyclone, Objective-C, and Black-C, but do they do it differently? < 1375824961 607225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi < 1375824976 77270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1375825005 887568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you < 1375825056 57702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :desk 7115, 2 Harrison St., San Francisco, CA 94110, United States of America < 1375825064 407028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did see the macro system in Rust seems like it does a lot of things. < 1375825108 198047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. what a coincidence. that's where i launched the ICBM < 1375825120 408776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1375825194 527903 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1375825196 847609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to get kicked from ##c++ for telling them to use Rust won't i < 1375825214 416670 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling ##c++ to use rust sounds like a good idea < 1375825225 287160 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even better than being in ##c++ to begin with < 1375825229 337778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh no you're like those people who come into #haskell :'( < 1375825232 907029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1375825239 407711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do actually answer C++ qusetions though < 1375825243 587343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe correctly < 1375825329 410518 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1375825414 488024 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1375825609 607439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the standard workarounds for lack of fundeps anyway < 1375825666 308181 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375825694 207414 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, does anyone know a good linux distro for an idiot with a netbook. because my ubuntu is really not cutting it < 1375825696 647689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of type annotations hth < 1375825710 348054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ubuntu with not gnome < 1375825715 437401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xubuntu or whatever < 1375825717 997955 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i'm using now :( < 1375825719 677843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kubuntu < 1375825720 377850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1375825723 18853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1375825723 219097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whats not cutting it < 1375825740 769272 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the main problem, i don't even know if it's ubuntu really < 1375825754 820143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: check for a Canonical Genuine Ubuntu sticker < 1375825763 127542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, soon enough C++ will be The Haskell Done Right and all rusts and haskells will be irrelevant < 1375825771 138162 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my wireless cuts out at random intervals and i can't figure out a way to recover that doesn't involve restarting my computer (which is irritating) < 1375825786 767890 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't for the life of me figure out what the fuck is happening, there's a lot of closed issues in linux-wireless and ugh < 1375825791 871897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I doubt it. < 1375825804 907899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Does rmmod-modprobe work as a workaround instead of restarting? < 1375825808 427593 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1375825826 857996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's yer kernel version? < 1375825827 387940 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i'm irritated at ubuntu is, in concert with this, the last upgrade whatever made it so that it waits /two whole minutes/ every boot to get a nonexistent network configuration < 1375825835 807777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be you can get a newer kernel from a PPA or something < 1375825838 568427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does dmesg say anything good? < 1375825839 48062 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just edited an /etc to fix that particular issue but i'm not liking where this is going < 1375825852 118309 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i can paste the dmesg if you want < 1375825857 808337 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um how do i check (see: idiot) < 1375825863 297824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uname -r < 1375825873 7729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no expert on debugging wireless things < 1375825874 785356 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2.0-48-generic < 1375825910 698987 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used some backported driver i don't understand to make it fail every few minutes instead of every few seconds, but bluh < 1375825971 148064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo give up and weep hth < 1375825975 38057 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :been doing that. < 1375825989 58650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the giving up part apparently < 1375826004 358287 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dmesg is like Failed to wakeup in 500us // Failed to stop TX DMA! // DMA failed to stop in 10 ms AR_CR=0xffffffff AR_DIAG_SW=0xffffffff DMADBG_7=0xffffffff and then keeps on going like that forever < 1375826037 770792 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reasonably sure this is far beyond my ken and just want it to stop :( < 1375826040 37863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=137643 < 1375826043 189813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There were lots of fixes to ath9k recently. So I suggest you try compat-wireless or the latest kernel, which currently is 3.3-rc7" < 1375826050 329654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's what your backported driver is, though? < 1375826055 786666 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can try getting compat-wireless again. < 1375826056 208120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe try the latest kernel anyway < 1375826088 678913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That particular post is from over a year ago. < 1375826108 88604 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i know. i've googled around and gotten lots of stuff like that. < 1375826125 268067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure. < 1375826129 28287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did you try a new kernel yet? < 1375826135 753351 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see. < 1375826143 188932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up and buy http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B003MTTJOY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375826132&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+wifi+adapter < 1375826151 648727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe did you try the nohwcrypt=1 thing? < 1375826155 870918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the driver for that might also suck < 1375826168 708864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have one like this working very well ,but not with in-tree drivers < 1375826178 38441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could dig up the exact part number and the driver tarball I used, if desired < 1375826192 848648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a usb wireless adapter you're free to take if you stop by < 1375826195 308950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i tried the nohwcrypt at some point... yes it's still there. < 1375826223 500722 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now excuse me while i try to figure out how to get a new kernel through apt < 1375826224 58883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe that's what's causing the problems!! < 1375826244 978614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: look for a PPA < 1375826258 268530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one called kernel-ppa < 1375826265 798939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's a good one < 1375826352 88574 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been thinking of moving away from ubuntu anyway, though. i don't use gnome (or other default things like NetworkManager) and all the wiki instructions assume i do, and stuff like that. < 1375826357 340196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system is really frankenstein and shitty. < 1375826443 618811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad you don't use gnome and NetworkManager < 1375826461 808414 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375826470 798859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bicyclidine < 1375826479 259194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered running your irc client on a server somewhere < 1375826496 358384 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here we go, I could just use my phone for everything! V_V < 1375826498 239036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use irssi anyway, it seems. < 1375826498 438937 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1375826511 678922 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: idiot, lazy, etc. < 1375826541 558792 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when unity came out i was still using gnome, and i was all like huh, it's for netbooks? maybe this is for me! and then i tried it and all the 3d gobledegook made it unusable on my integrated graphics card :D < 1375826542 958700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* boily ties ellioerjan to nooodl with hemp rope <-- this is starting to get kinky hth < 1375826559 678400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's why I'm telling you to do it! < 1375826589 429066 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm a stupid idiot? < 1375826607 366841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Because you're lazy, so you need encouragement. < 1375826630 421743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well, i'd need a server first. i don't think i'd really use a linode or whatever. < 1375826736 888963 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like just disconnecting when i'm not online instead of making a computer spin when i don't need it. it only gets annoying when i disconnect for stupidly having to restart, and uch. < 1375826790 478187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo trick someone into letting you use their server < 1375826799 959459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that but elliott is also lazy. < 1375826809 414880 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375826832 860225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered all the other possibilities < 1375826852 669930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the free ec2 thing kmc talks about?? < 1375826876 689519 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what shachaf is trying to say is that he's got a server that he'd like you to use. ;) < 1375827003 440480 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you need a credit card for AWS even if you're only using free stuff. so that's cool < 1375827020 419611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1375827054 680181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can trick other people (not me though!!) < 1375827083 319796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like kmc or monotone or Fiora < 1375827085 335458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know < 1375827100 919561 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can buy things from amazon without a credit card, but can't not buy things, i guess. < 1375827188 309530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can use a prepaid debit card < 1375827188 871918 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375827204 209212 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i buy stuff on amazon with a debit card. < 1375827209 771021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can use someone else's credit card. < 1375827217 879475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can sign up for AWS with a debit card < 1375827219 319239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that < 1375827223 289584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a credit card < 1375827230 139595 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375827236 529207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how people get really agitated when I say that I don't have a credit card < 1375827245 529517 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have one either...? < 1375827246 510382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start listing all the advantages as though surely I'm just unaware of them < 1375827249 942918 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my debit card is a visa so it's the same thing < 1375827257 141519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not < 1375827267 920949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're made of PLASTIC, kmc. you're missing out < 1375827276 59708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can finally stop bartering with ducks and gooses < 1375827284 130076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much that a goose wants, anyway < 1375827290 469990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bread I guess < 1375827295 359882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay, unlike a credit card, the APR is 0% :P < 1375827366 451003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a credit card, and the APR is 0%. < 1375827374 490003 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375827378 871935 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly use my credit card for online transactions. My bank lets me generate one-off numbers, which is handy for beating back my paranoia. < 1375827383 621308 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i gues i can do that. < 1375827391 939646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, one-off credit card numbers? that's kind of cool < 1375827394 270082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's been configurated to pay 100% of the thing every month, and it has no monthly fixed payment.) < 1375827405 999687 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean god knows they've already gotten hundreds of dollars out of that card < 1375827411 30245 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-71.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1375827416 149572 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1375827424 790850 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe at school i'll get a bit of server space to use < 1375827444 860480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would host Bike's IRC except I don't trust myself to not abuse my root powers < 1375827445 61028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only noticeable issue: they keep sending letters every now and then about how it'd be much more "flexible" if I changed the minimum-payment amount to something that's less than 100%. < 1375827448 40334 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also handy for when stored numbers get compromised. As has happened to me before. < 1375827485 169861 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one time at a party a friend and i swapped ircs for the hell of it < 1375827512 442385 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm actually unsure of what i would use a credit card for < 1375827560 479600 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running up massive quantities of debt? < 1375827568 229638 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if i wanted to pay for something before i had a paycheck? < 1375827620 789582 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on the card you can get little niceties like cash back on certain transactions or whatever. < 1375827777 230692 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375827875 386763 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-51.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375827932 751693 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1375827950 100765 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375828011 9775 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375828160 442219 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this is cool. if i call a number on the landline the internet cuts out, but if i call on my cellphone - which, out here, uses the wi-fi - internet's fine. < 1375828164 191191 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible i'm in robot hell? < 1375828208 982068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you get those dsl thingies < 1375828257 116854 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1375828268 131172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really not have filters on your phone sockets? < 1375828275 585961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those come with the modem I think < 1375828309 990492 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm just o bad with computers.. so bad. in twenty years i'm going to be like the CS professor who doesn't know what version control is < 1375828360 501062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo get the filters < 1375828367 451103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you might get internet cancer < 1375828370 741224 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm moving out this week. < 1375828372 451009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well you get that anyway) < 1375828374 910992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1375828376 34367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To CA? < 1375828387 347573 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northern CA. The part not in CA. < 1375828388 471256 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the filters are important because diesel internet makes a lot of toxic fumes < 1375828425 467523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "who needs landlines anyway" -- norwegian telenor < 1375828426 90985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh where in northern ca? < 1375828428 182514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh, no, Medford, OR? :-( < 1375828436 871335 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly north of medford < 1375828453 440732 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually moving to california. i am moving across the state i am already in, which is not california. < 1375828471 690823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were in WA. < 1375828484 12738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, don't move to Medford. < 1375828563 601047 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can do. < 1375828612 401015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How slightly north? < 1375828614 706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to live in Medford, MA < 1375828673 470890 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :north of oregon. < 1375828710 112244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you moving to canada < 1375828733 102744 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still one state left in between Oregon and Canada. < 1375828774 511181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bikes of Canada < 1375828808 481324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where Bike lives now, and also where i lived for almost a decade < 1375828851 530739 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got me. i'm moving to iqaluit < 1375828908 591435 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say hi to a polar bear for me. < 1375829538 852871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving to ᐃᖃᓗᐃᑦ < 1375829587 792491 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very scenic < 1375829609 902866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does Rust have any OpenGL bindings (should I just google this) < 1375829642 362943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Due to Newfoundland's high debt load, arising from World War I and construction of the Newfoundland railroad, and decreasing revenue, due to the collapse of fish prices, the Newfoundland legislature voted itself temporarily out of existence in 1933 in exchange for loan guarantees." < 1375829647 342937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes we're using them for Servo < 1375829659 943404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh! should have thought of that < 1375829664 251992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1375829680 822134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use the fancy programmable pipeline with shaders and all that? < 1375829687 672624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mozilla-servo/rust-opengles https://github.com/bjz/glfw-rs < 1375829689 492778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i don't think so < 1375829698 284085 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-20-118-11.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1375829698 484533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kind of have to with OpenGL ES? < 1375829712 892063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno man < 1375829717 452406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean, do you use the deprecated glBegin type stuff < 1375829724 622160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume not since servo is meant to be all GPU-y isn't it < 1375829724 991138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddon't think that exists in ES < 1375829730 482208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1375829731 974064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "Calcutta (Taxi, Taxi, Taxi)"? I have a cover of this which is rewritten for 2A03+MMC5 soundchips, by Archj. < 1375829741 982492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :our drawing is behind several layers of abstraction though < 1375829772 152599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this binding looks somewhat incomplete < 1375829784 114609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :``patches welcome'' < 1375829785 333704 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `patches: not found < 1375829786 303420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe OpenGL ES is just tiny?? < 1375829816 929471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you have to use the... servo fork of the rust compiler... for this < 1375829822 923549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why does servo have its own rust) < 1375829828 252234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a fork just an old version < 1375829845 452968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool servo uses hubbub? < 1375829846 632939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the Rust language changes every day and we would like not to spend all day every day porting Servo to today's version of Rust < 1375829852 142692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started working on Haskell bindings to hubbub < 1375829853 112739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead we spent a few days every month on that < 1375829857 42849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm doing right now actually < 1375829858 982914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gave up when I had to modify one of its dependencies to be thread-safe < 1375829866 702532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well really what I'm doing is slamming my head into a brick wall due to lack of fundeps, but in theory < 1375829867 762501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(their interning library or whatever) < 1375829880 372601 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's hubbub < 1375829884 213058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: boring < 1375829887 792696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HTML5 parser library) < 1375829887 992797 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1375829944 252832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incredible worldwide gangster computer god secret containment policy < 1375829951 122736 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/b7c651eba14e9a34af8a5eeab58c040f/tumblr_mr4rbolZZt1s5f5n9o1_500.jpg hey good news, i found a worse version of that xkcd comic. < 1375830174 273834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1375830195 654042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe I should give up on real polymorphism and use macros < 1375830240 433363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo implement polymorphism using macros < 1375830254 591778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yah < 1375830262 744027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need fundeps for, anyway? < 1375830284 43753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1375830296 133182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but actually https://github.com/mozilla/servo/blob/master/src/components/util/tree.rs#L88 < 1375830330 913259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a 1-to-1 relationship between N and NR but sometime in the past month the compiler realized that it has no reason to assume there is one < 1375830336 504183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no way to tell it that there is one < 1375830356 293755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it upsets me how rust does this privilegign a singel object thing < 1375830362 103251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like its "existentials" too < 1375830364 254907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*privileging *single < 1375830364 674513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1375830727 274422 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13271 drepper is fucking amazing < 1375830774 793688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure general existentials make that much sense in rust......... < 1375830810 955325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does rust include what you're closing over in the type of funptrs < 1375830892 65717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little < 1375830939 564007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write &fn: Clone(x: int) -> char < 1375830956 54157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand that syntax :/ < 1375830967 944958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ': Clone' bit says that all the free variables need to implement the Clone trait, i.e. be copyable < 1375830976 404386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1375830995 106356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the thing ski always talks about with -># ? < 1375830998 614229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the "a -> b = exists s. (# s, (# s, a #) -># b #)" thing < 1375831000 594250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1375831001 574065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1375831002 834532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :way ahead of you shachaf < 1375831010 254475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people brought that up in #rust actually < 1375831010 454735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if Rust had anything corresponding to -># I think < 1375831014 384296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1375831021 634147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern "Rust" fn(x: int) -> char < 1375831026 604484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew (but okay) < 1375831033 95582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is guaranteed to have no free variables and is represented by a raw code pointer < 1375831038 864458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not with the C calling convention) < 1375831049 315371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the \rainbow{Rust calling convention!} < 1375831062 44296 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are closures represented with this anyhow < 1375831076 85678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean way behind hth < 1375831085 587311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know exactly how closures are represented in Rust < 1375831091 454459 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :way ahind of you shalliott < 1375831131 785159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have @fn (managed box with free variables in it) and &fn (borrowed pointer to somebody else's box of free variables) < 1375831140 736151 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok next pointless question, do things that are usually uh stack-allocated (like fixnums) implement Copy < 1375831151 644584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you call a function and use a lambda expression for one of the args, then that'll stack-allocate free variables and pass an &fn, I think < 1375831157 166249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular I'm broadly interested in a languages where you actually construct closures with that existential construction < 1375831167 654621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how awodey always calls his category C and an object in that category C < 1375831189 764986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where the notion of references is advanced enough to allow denoting read/write access to variables in the context as elements of that tuple < 1375831199 114921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess there's also ~fn, where the function is uniquely owned and so are all its free variables < 1375831208 385417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: any chance you could walk me through that type signature < 1375831209 464412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the task-spawning function takes < 1375831249 524687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sort of a pet vapourware project of mine -- a functional language with things like linear types and this -># thing etc. that has full memory control (and no automatic hidden allocation or GC, etc.) but still has all the goodies like higher-order functions, without requiring turning everything into a pointer or closure etc.) < 1375831259 631510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it overlaps heavily with Rust, but I started thinking about it before I knew of Rust) < 1375831271 844338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds similar < 1375831298 214602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the one with a lot of #s? < 1375831321 147343 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1375831324 644471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (# a, b #) is an unboxed tuple of a and b, i.e. (# a, b #) -> c literally just takes "two arguments", there's no pointers allocated etc. in the construction of the unboxed tuple < 1375831336 794675 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1375831344 784732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (exists s. ...) is ... with a hidden type "s" that the user of the value doesn't know what it is -- the person who constructs the value chooses it < 1375831354 794539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't exist with that syntax in Haskell but you can construct the same thing) < 1375831360 609963 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is s the free variables? < 1375831364 475870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's ~once fn which is only called once, so after it's been called you get the owned free variables back???? tbh dont understand this one < 1375831364 675928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it binds s < 1375831370 834455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -># b) doesn't exist, but it's basically a raw function pointer from a to b < 1375831378 806387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem FunPtr a b < 1375831382 565271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say the syntax is (\# x -> ...) :: (a -># b) < 1375831389 55870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ..., you can't use any variables in the context < 1375831389 852820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er is it FunPtr (a -> b) w/e < 1375831390 554436 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i was just missing what s was, i think, thanks < 1375831393 495392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't in C < 1375831403 655326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say you wanted to do < 1375831410 286444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: Int -> (Int -> Int) < 1375831449 817870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = (# (), (\# ((), m) -> (# m, (\# (m', n) -> m' + n ) #) ) #) < 1375831457 395420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hideously ugly but hopefully you can see what's going on < 1375831463 415616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside the inner \# you couldn't reference m < 1375831467 165430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can to explicitly close over it < 1375831470 194349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the corresponding C structure is < 1375831483 218610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct closure { void *data; B code(void *data, A param); }, basically < 1375831487 115644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is sensible to me. < 1375831495 505225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you do closure->code(closure->data, param) to call it < 1375831498 577028 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really fucking ugly < 1375831501 804818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you get fancy type magic here < 1375831516 604642 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that makes sense, i'm used to closure = raw ptr + some vector < 1375831523 233556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well then what you do is you introduce (\x -> ...) as sugar for (# closure, \# (# closure, x #) -> ... #) < 1375831528 44737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where closure is all the local variables you use in ... < 1375831560 185179 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1375831578 54711 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in kernel magic idea i should really work on i was thinking of having $vau work like that < 1375831597 14913 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also has the convenience that the "raw pointer" is obviou < 1375831597 864059 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1375831630 765369 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could do lambda lifting pretty nicely that way < 1375831744 825242 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, uh, you make (\x -> ...) just (\x -># ...) when possible, obviously. < 1375832107 37100 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375832204 746135 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCC0E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212] < 1375832247 8938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Bike: in particular, I think it would be cool to have a non-existential version of this < 1375832252 626305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the "s" is actually part of the type < 1375832261 935801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh re graphix libraries, look at https://github.com/mozilla/servo/tree/master/src#supporting-libraries < 1375832263 656064 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that could be nice < 1375832281 246186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like (Int ->{a :: Int, b :rw: Int} String) < 1375832293 726161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that closes over two things, read-only Int a and read-write Int b < 1375832300 166388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at runtime it'll look like e.g. < 1375832302 307259 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you had a function that took a thing-that-closes-over-1-Int you could vector pass the number and the ptr in some situations, or something < 1375832317 784383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct this_closure { int a; int *b; string (*foo)(int a, int *b, int param); } < 1375832319 457094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think azure calls skia and skia calls opengles??? < 1375832321 225807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know why < 1375832329 255997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: will look after finishing rambling < 1375832339 425996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the idea then that higher-order functions would be written *polymorphic* to this closure part < 1375832357 295683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that things don't necessarily have to get bundled up in a closure to be passed higher-order at all < 1375832359 706373 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i got irrationally annoyed once i realized after far too long that "returning a closure" allocated memory same as actual alloc calls, but looks exactly like returning a bare function < 1375832364 866622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can have control structures that you know get all inlined out and stuff < 1375832368 266342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(skipping even the need for a funptr) < 1375832386 745905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of stuff is similar to C++ lambdas I think with the kind of control you get < 1375832389 505955 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eventually just optimize everything into IMUL cals" < 1375832418 926272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my hidden motivation here is that I want something that looks like Haskell but you can also e.g. write a memory manager to run on the bare metal with < 1375832430 886730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a strongly-typed memory manager) < 1375832433 846349 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the opposite of hidden. < 1375832448 786293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just told you. < 1375832452 106490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it's no longer hidden < 1375832455 507668 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean, it was obvious before. < 1375832471 126714 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw are we getting "mad hintz" of @ here < 1375832540 326627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use this kind of stuff in @ yes, but actually it's a bit less vapourware than @ < 1375832541 446965 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing that would be nice is if you could use this as a jit, which moves me into full no idea what i'm talking about territory < 1375832553 66318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that I can imagine trying to implement it if I got a good enough grip on the design and the design looks vaguely grippable < 1375832570 317117 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a hidiom < 1375832591 366238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: though the language I'd want for @ would be basically fully dependently-typed. this thing is only kind of dependently-typed. < 1375832615 836066 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er isn't everything you've said so far independent of dependent types? < 1375832623 126606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1375832635 516797 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i mean... why say that. < 1375832641 755908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you asked about mad hintz of @. < 1375832648 696745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sorta dependent types come in when describing memory layout, in this language. < 1375832658 126629 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"though the language i'd want for @ would have full complex arithmetic. this thing doesn't have any complex arithmetic" < 1375832662 836047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1375832667 706255 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, memory layout? how? < 1375832679 757004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well uh < 1375832701 666880 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i'm so bad at PLT, i still don't get how dependent types are different from like, integral range types < 1375832706 917324 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start reporting bugs against Pharo < 1375832708 396631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you know the kind of bullshit structure layouts you get in OSes and networking < 1375832711 256559 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when i say "PLT" i mean "anything in this channel". < 1375832712 544246 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1375832715 425943 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kinda. < 1375832729 146472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are just so many bugs :( < 1375832741 636448 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like addrinfo? < 1375832755 347197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok well take a look at the second and third pictures here http://wiki.osdev.org/Global_Descriptor_Table#Structure < 1375832763 336439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note how base and limit are like < 1375832768 716954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprawled across multiple words < 1375832772 517182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in random order < 1375832794 129633 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah. fuck those < 1375832796 76993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is awful to deal with because you have to do the bitpacking yourself etc. < 1375832807 236377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd like a way to first specify precise bit alignments etc. of structures < 1375832820 106485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then say "there's a base field made by bitpacking these other precisely-sized smaller-than-word fields together" < 1375832825 106934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just use that everywhere. < 1375832841 416536 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with dependent types < 1375832844 666742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I also want to be able to e.g. represent a TCP packet directly as a structure within the language, with the correct in-memory layout < 1375832848 297035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm gettting theeeeeeeeeeere < 1375832871 496110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh you know how ADTs are generally represented with a tag word < 1375832871 910361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1375832875 676921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a < 1375832879 429055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you store a word for whether it's Nothing or Just < 1375832880 767419 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1375832888 437071 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i didn't know it was a whole word though? < 1375832892 446771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, details < 1375832898 560033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually GHC does it a bit different It hink but w/e < 1375832907 662680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that kind of thing also comes up explicitly in a lot of protocoly type stuff < 1375832915 106611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "if this flag is this then it has this layout otherwise it has another"? < 1375832920 947165 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah, i see. < 1375832923 276607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd like to be able to say (syntax made up on the spot) < 1375832937 807082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct Maybe A { enum { Nothing, Just } tag; switch (tag) { Nothing: ; Just: A value; } } < 1375832957 856865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the sorta-dependent-typing is the rest of the structure type depending on the value of the tag. < 1375832984 138178 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... uh. < 1375832984 337871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do things like switch on tag, and if it's Just you can access .value safety, but if not you can't access .value (without explicitly marking it as an unsafe access, perhaps) < 1375832998 396892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that this generalises to other stuff < 1375833004 206742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it's not as simple as just one tag value < 1375833012 717689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously you can build sugar for the common ADT-y case on top of this) < 1375833015 618382 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm imagining some weird ass "switch"es here < 1375833023 87224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that the existence of a tag word in memory is explicitly represented in the language < 1375833035 17125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the idea is not to hide anything about the memory layout < 1375833058 850405 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, well, doesn't that possibly inhibit optimizations that work by eliding the tag word when possible? < 1375833094 167939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it more enables you to make optimisations by not having a tag word in the first place < 1375833100 730050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or packing the tag word as bits in another part etc. < 1375833109 597291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and e.g. avoiding casing on the tag for data shared between all variants of a struct < 1375833118 837236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more broadly, optimisations that change in-memory layout aren't appropriate for something like an OS < 1375833122 308312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most of the time) < 1375833128 206995 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted. < 1375833148 198336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I think this language would also apply nicely to game development and similar things, with the GC-less nature) < 1375833168 847142 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of i dunno, \x -> let fn = ... in case x of Nothing -> foo; Just _ -> fn x where it can obviously be seen that fn will always get a Just < 1375833190 127466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I guses < 1375833200 499486 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i can see why you wouldn't want that in an OS < 1375833208 177453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though an example that isn't a bad idea would help (since what is fn Nothing going to be? you could just pass the value inside the Just) < 1375833225 448857 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :off the top of my head and i'm bad at programming, sorry~ < 1375833230 707977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also I don't think compilers generally do this kind of optimisation in practice, so losing it doesn't seem like such a big deal < 1375833392 757472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Rust does something similar with forcing you to case to use things safely, right? < 1375833393 877995 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@192.147.44.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375833493 909258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read this whole convo < 1375833495 308238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what? < 1375833525 568282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I don't know. isn't there a thing where you can't access fields of an object in Rust before you check a tag or something < 1375833531 17792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to describe what I am thinking of < 1375833539 167325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like pattern matching < 1375833545 597715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are required to check all cases < 1375833597 787772 :doesthiswork!~Adium@174-31-178-247.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric