00:10:54 the diæ̈resises are an integral part of #̈esoteric. 00:11:02 oops 00:11:33 * oerjan just pasted that to see if the accents were showed properly in putty (at least the æ one was) 00:11:43 hm i think they both are 00:12:01 (the logs showed them separated) 00:19:21 your logreader is broken hth 00:22:44 (Also what are the attributes of a maximally Norwegian person?) <-- i think they have to spend a lot of time in the wilderness, preferably with skis on hth 00:24:09 shachaf: just for monowhyismybrainfailingme text, though 00:24:19 monospaced? 00:24:22 yeah 00:25:00 oerjan: your brain is infected by mononucleosis hth 00:26:40 shachaf: i also may have a slight headache 00:27:06 * oerjan fetched an apple to chase away the doctors 00:27:33 oerjan: apples are very dangerous when you're sick 00:27:53 oh dear 00:29:01 phrase overheard at work: "they have to do the earthquake-bracing for the racks" 00:29:07 california is wonderful 00:31:23 kmc: did the wires end up catching it 00:32:26 :_; 00:32:31 shachafffffff 00:32:34 this behavior is v. confusing 00:32:55 should i stop 00:33:07 Fiora: I gotta figure out how to do that for the shelves in my room 00:33:21 i don't like making that k. of joke in every channel 00:33:34 maybe i'd be better off if i didn't make it in any channel............................ 00:33:39 shachaf: well I don't mind personally when it's re: a convo I'm in, but I figure others might mind (kmc the concern troll) 00:33:47 oh 00:33:54 hm 00:34:02 do they actually have earthquakes you can feel in california 00:34:03 kmc: I don't remember like any actual earthquakes here 00:34:07 somehow I cannot wrap my mind around this concept 00:34:15 elliott: I've felt two in recent memory (the past like, 3 years) 00:34:33 I felt an earthquake in 3 years of living in Boston and never in 4 years of living in LA! 00:34:39 one was when the office I was in was on a higher floor (4th floor), so the building waved a bit even though the earthquake was small 00:34:40 kmc: do you mean people in this channel or in the other channel 00:34:43 this one 00:35:04 the other one was literally directly under me at home, and very close to the surface, so it was like a sudden pulse (instead of shaking), and wasn't like, big or anything, just surprising 00:35:09 well, i figure it's no more confusing than e.g. zzo38 00:35:11 and weird since it felt nothing like a quake 00:35:27 Fiora: my friend was worried because his apt building in SF is built on fill, so he looked up the engineering diagrams and it has 200 ft pilings down into bedrock 00:35:34 @____@ 00:35:34 Unknown command, try @list 00:35:39 so if the big one hits, the ground will liquify but he'll just be up on stilts 00:35:52 that's amazing 00:36:10 also a BART tunnel runs thorugh the Hayward Fault and the plan for if a train is in the tunnel during an earthquake is basically "fuck" 00:36:22 waving buildings is incredibly terrifying 00:36:32 they should, like, nail them to the ground harder. 00:36:36 like they have no plan... it would cost more to fix than the expected value of lives lost 00:36:39 especially the skyscrapers. 00:36:44 elliott: the waving keeps them safer 00:36:48 and while this sounds kind of terrible it's impossible to have a civilization without some logic of this form 00:36:53 elliott: imo nail the skyscrapers to the sky 00:36:56 like trees wave in wind 00:36:58 "common sense" 00:37:03 Fiora: but it's scary 00:37:09 who ever heard of a skyquake 00:37:10 it's a little scary? but it doesn't wave much 00:37:18 comfort is so much more important than safety ;_; 00:37:42 okay how about nail the buildings down harder but also give everyone parachutes or something 00:38:04 `slist 00:38:06 slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 00:38:12 after 9/11 there were all kinds of daft schemes for skyscraper escape systems 00:38:17 `translatetoerjan ei saa peittää <-- må ikke tildekkes hth 00:38:37 @tell olsner `translatetoerjan ei saa peittää <-- må ikke tildekkes hth 00:38:38 Consider it noted. 00:38:46 oerjan: is hth norwegian 00:38:49 what does it stand for 00:39:05 "my epic monodialogue on alien bazongas" hussie. 00:39:31 what 00:40:28 homestuck update ¬_¬ 00:43:10 shachaf: hjelper tørr hud 00:43:31 which is actually a swedish brand i think 00:44:10 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:44:52 imo become hungarian and change your name to őrjan 00:45:02 (hjälper torr hud) 00:45:15 shachaf: nem. 00:46:03 my ø is actually short, so that would not be the proper accent even if transliterated 00:46:53 obviously it's short. if it was tall it would be written Ø 00:49:54 `? for further details 00:49:56 who knows 00:50:02 O KAY 00:50:26 `? for further 00:50:28 for further? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:50:28 | 00:50:28 º¯`\o 00:53:40 -!- Bike has joined. 00:56:36 Må ikke tildekkes. Får ej övertäckas. Do not cover. Ne pas couvrir. Ei saa peittää. Nicht zudecken. Niet afdekken. Non deve essere coperto. He hàkpbibàtb. Nezakryvat. Nie przykrywac. Neapklàt. Neuzdengti. Ne smije biti pokriveno. Kinni mitte katta. 00:59:18 I think one of them tries to be some kind of an approximation of Cyrillic letters. 01:01:42 HE HÀKPbIÀTb. 01:02:03 There should be a translate command that picks a random target language. 01:02:24 PECTOPAH 01:03:13 in a thousand years, the only rosetta stone for translating this strange "English" into Double Polish is all the "do not cover" labels on a box 01:03:20 haha 01:03:25 Reverse Double Polish 01:03:45 this is a family channel, kmc 01:04:30 what is a family channel 01:05:06 it is a channel you can bring your family to 01:05:31 of course 01:05:43 right, like me and elliott's daughter, fiora 01:06:38 can i be your daughter too :'( 01:06:52 w-w-whaaat >////< 01:07:51 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 01:18:30 http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/crrnjbxt.html this "Removable Crossover" is insane 01:18:38 esoteric trainz 01:19:49 ion: do you need a three-letter domain to get .fi 01:20:00 http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/crrnjbxtehcrossover.jpg i'm scared kmc 01:20:04 it looks like you at least have to get ""special permission"" to get a two-letter .fi 01:21:39 kmc, bike: I like the filenames. 01:21:57 shachaf: Yeah, only two- and three-letter .fi names are allowed. 01:22:19 ? 01:22:28 Just joking. What are you asking? :-P 01:22:29 oh 01:22:42 i tried to register in.fi but it was rejected due to being a forbidden name or something 01:22:55 you have heh.fi so i thought maybe you know the regulations 01:23:01 I think they disallow .fi 01:23:07 oh.......hmm 01:23:40 A quick whois suggests that s6.fi is "Domain not found" and in.fi is "Domain not available" 01:23:44 So maybe that's true. 01:23:55 I read the PDF and it was kind of vague about this. 01:30:36 shachaf: is it bad that I read that as ~"special permission" 01:30:38 In addition, certain words referred to in the Act (e.g. limited company, trademark) or abbreviations (e.g. oy, fi, com) cannot be registered as domain names. 01:31:08 kmc: as in an owned string thing? 01:32:35 yes 01:32:39 also → afk 01:32:47 kmc: soon the dreams will start 01:34:03 не покрывать 01:35:58 mr.scruf.fi 01:52:01 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:58:38 Well, there go my dreams of having the URL fi.fi/the/poodle any time soon. 02:04:57 `pbflist 02:04:58 pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia 02:05:23 elliott already `pbflisted. 02:05:56 I didn't see it then 02:09:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:10:35 we've already has slist and pbflist today...................when's olist coming 02:11:09 How does one add self to list again, and what are slist and olist? 02:11:50 slist is homestuck, olist is order of the stick 02:11:59 It depends on the implementation. 02:12:08 `run cat bin/slist | rot13 02:12:09 No output. 02:12:12 `run cat bin/slist | r13 02:12:13 rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; rkvg \ Gnaro \ ngevd \ Atriq \ Svben \ abeggv \ Ftrb \ GungBgureCrefba \ nybg 02:12:24 `run cat bin/olist | r13 02:12:25 rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; rkvg \ funpuns \ brewna \ Ftrb \ SverSyl 02:12:37 Doing a "`run echo YOURNAMEHERE >> bin/slist" ought to be sufficient. 02:12:37 You can just echo ion >> bin/olist and so on. 02:13:03 I was just looking at those wondering what the hell they were for, but now I've learned! 02:13:13 `run r13 rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; rkvg \ funpuns \ Ftrb \ dhvagbcvn 02:13:29 r13ing pbflist doesn't help because I have /hilight funpuns :-( 02:13:39 `run echo ion >>bin/pbflist 02:13:42 No output. 02:13:54 If that is "slist" and "olist" then what is "pbflist" for? 02:14:00 -!- yiyus has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:14:00 For PBF 02:14:08 ion: There's also `pbflistdeluxe 02:14:11 Which stands for what? 02:14:17 zzo38: Perry Bible Fellowship 02:14:18 But that one costs $100/month to subscribe or something. 02:14:20 Premium service. 02:14:25 `pbflistdeluxe 02:14:26 pbflistdeluxe: 02:14:53 looks like it needs better marketing 02:15:10 Well, pbf doesn't have very frequent updates. 02:15:33 Sometimes the issue is not the marketing but the product. 02:15:53 ion: Every available .fi has a digit in it. :-( 02:16:01 But there are 316 of them. 02:16:07 aye 02:16:42 When getting my domain, i didn’t find any available two-letter one i would have preferred to the three-letter one i got. 02:16:42 I guess you went through this before acquiring heh.fi? 02:16:48 I should re-figure out what one-letter-plus-ccTLD domains are still available one of these days 02:17:01 Sometimes my Dungeons&Dragons recordings is updated, although perhaps I should use a more consistent format like you have, so that you can filter on it if you want to access it. 02:17:02 There were some last time I checked. 02:17:14 and then acquire one if it's still possible and they don't cost a billion pounds and they don't have draconian political problems 02:17:24 e.lliott 02:21:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobian_conjecture why is math hard 02:22:10 Because you cannot understand it perfectly. 02:22:56 this booklet describes an interesting language http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~rak/papers/newbook.pdf 02:23:25 -!- mnoqy has joined. 02:23:28 Bike: how celebrated is this problem 02:23:40 Bike: do people have Jacobian conjecture parties 02:23:48 if not, we should have one. 02:25:52 hm sometimes it's surprising what problems are unsolved 02:26:13 yes. that is actually the context this was presented to me in 02:27:11 -!- Jafet has joined. 02:27:35 are any of these numbers good: 27 28 29 31 35 36 38 41 43 46 48 56 58 61 63 68 72 76 81 84 91 92 93 94 98 02:27:42 imagine them with .fi at the end 02:27:57 hm. i like the look of 58.fi. 02:28:01 but not 58.ro. 02:28:06 why 02:28:23 Aesthetics. 02:28:37 come on if you're going to be like that at least say Æsthetics 02:29:19 ÆS 02:29:27 -!- yiyus has joined. 02:29:47 72 has a lot of factors but two of them are 3 (not really acceptable) 02:29:56 29 31 41 43 are prime 02:30:01 and 61 02:30:17 48 is like a better 72 but it still has a 3 :'( 02:30:39 27 is 3 3s "the worst number??" even though cubes are p. good 02:31:33 81 is 4 3s is that better or worse than 3 3s 02:35:15 ion: Maybe I just can't get a .fi since I don't have a .fi (physical) address. :-( 02:35:53 Maybe you just need a .fi link layer address 02:36:45 shachaf: Oh. D-: 02:41:28 ↁ-: 02:48:31 -!- yiyus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:48:47 -!- yiyus has joined. 03:16:53 -!- yiyus has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:25:23 http://ootbcomp.com/docs/belt/index.html this looks interesting but I can't stop looking at that guy's hair, wow 03:25:54 maybe if this follows that thing where programming language inventors have to have beards, his CPU design will be really successful 03:27:02 a startup now emergingi from stealth mode. 03:27:22 haskell is doomed to fail now that Igloo quit msr :'( 03:27:52 wow, he sounds like he looks 03:28:08 "This is the most exciting new development in computing and hair fashion in ten years." 03:28:12 XDDD 03:28:35 shachaf: finally 03:29:17 We've had about enough of all of this success. 03:30:04 you can get a thousand DSPs for $17, huh 03:30:08 have you even seen Igloo's beard 03:32:44 "Price: wild guess" lol 03:32:50 -!- yiyus has joined. 03:35:24 Fiora: up to explaining 33 ops/cycle. chip design is the most stunningly "no, you can't describe this with one number" field 03:36:32 "really nasty things, like function calls" 03:37:26 * Fiora is bad and hasn't actually watched it <.< 03:38:01 well, basically he put up "33 ops/cycle" but then explained that they're MIMD operations, they have to be independent, and it depends on the distribution of hardware on the chip (like, not 33 adds) 03:39:43 so it's just like typical x86 type of thing, except the architecture is designed to make more than just a couple per cycle feasible? 03:39:55 except like, without VLIWness? 03:39:58 "typical x86 type of thing"? 03:40:17 ummmm multiple execution units and the ability to execute multiple instructions as long as they're of different types? 03:40:21 sorry, I wasn't clear 03:40:28 oh, that seemed to be the intention, yes 03:40:55 you s hould probably just listen to the talk instead of to me misinterpreting everything 03:40:59 I should 03:41:19 haswell has "nearly 500 possible sources" of operands, gosh 03:43:39 he says routing sources to sinks is half of haswell's power use ._. 03:44:55 it's not surprising :/ I mean like OOE is basically a bunch of queues 03:46:11 he says 500 sources is mostly for rename registers, so get rid of those i guess 03:46:27 yeah, that's the physical register file 03:47:24 i always thought OOE was implemented with magic dust 03:53:31 this seems pretty hard to write assembly for (what a change) 04:00:00 Can someone remind me why I rejected Smalltalk the last time I looked at Smalltalk? 04:00:11 Because you're Sgeo? 04:00:12 Because I'm getting into Smalltalk again 04:02:22 "there's a canonical pain in the neck in instruction set. Called divide." 04:02:27 set design* 04:21:17 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 04:22:58 Why don't you make a simpler one? 04:23:06 a simpler what 04:23:16 A simpler CPU design 04:23:27 did you see the link. 04:26:53 -!- CADD has joined. 04:29:47 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 04:35:20 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 04:35:28 -!- tertu has joined. 04:39:19 -!- sacje has quit (Excess Flood). 04:40:04 -!- sacje has joined. 04:59:26 -!- Bike_ has joined. 05:00:50 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:02:28 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 05:12:13 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:12:38 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:13:38 -!- sacje has quit (Excess Flood). 05:13:47 -!- heroux has joined. 05:13:50 -!- Bike has joined. 05:14:05 -!- sacje has joined. 05:23:19 -!- nooodl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:25:46 http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity1681.html 06:26:28 wow 06:27:38 pictures carnot engine 06:52:03 Harry Potter and the Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living 07:02:14 shachaf: how hard do you think it would be to extract useful information from a 44.1 kHz 16 bit 2 channel raw PCM recording of speech, encrypted with AES-ECB with an unknown key? 07:04:04 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:10:23 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:11:55 -!- douglass has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:15:35 Hmm. That's like mapping every 16(/24/32) byte block to some unique identifier. 07:16:41 I don't know enough (i.e. anything) about audio to know. :-( 07:16:48 How much information is there in 16 bytes? 07:18:21 > 44100 * 16 * 2 07:18:22 1411200 07:19:14 > (44100 * 16 * 2) / 128 07:19:16 11025.0 07:19:59 -!- ggherdov has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:22:54 i did this with some music i had on my computer and about 0.4% of the resulting file consisted of blocks that occurred at least twice 07:23:00 except that was only one channel 07:25:03 you can recover speech from an encrypted VoIP channel using knowledge of the variable-bitrate codec in use http://www.cs.unc.edu/~fabian/papers/tissec2010.pdf 07:25:53 Can you vary the bitrate using the key? 07:26:55 Huh. Recover actual speech? 07:27:00 Is there a sample? 07:27:03 i dunno read the paper 07:27:14 zzo38: how do you mean 07:27:14 what am i paying you for hth 07:27:23 your taxes pay my salary? 07:27:33 kmc: invent a voip client that sends only the bitrate 07:27:35 checkmate 07:28:14 Can you protect against that by varying the bitrate by the key and/or using a different coded? 07:28:34 :D 07:32:53 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 07:35:08 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:43:37 kmc: Hmm, I tried recording a small PCM file and I'm not seeing any duplicates. 07:45:28 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:45:29 (conclusion: ecb mode is safe) 07:46:30 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:49:08 -!- pikhq has joined. 08:06:45 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 08:18:33 Aw, the paper "only" locates predefined phrases. (Still nice.) 08:19:05 `quote speech recognition 08:19:07 663) fizzie: What kind of speech recognition do you do? If you only need to recognize famous speeches, like Churchill or something, it should be pretty easy. 08:19:32 Yes, it's that kind of. 08:20:44 -!- ggherdov has joined. 08:21:40 -!- variable has changed nick to constant. 09:15:54 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:29:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:39:17 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:39:47 -!- sacje has joined. 09:58:35 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 09:59:15 -!- Jafet has joined. 10:06:14 -!- pikhq has joined. 10:07:04 -!- itsy has joined. 10:07:24 I'm off to the Centre for Computing History in Cambridge tomorrow http://ComputingHistory.org.uk :-) 10:11:03 who's itsy 10:12:00 Erm... I think this covers it http://about.me/john_metcalf 10:23:04 -!- katla has joined. 10:23:27 hello 10:26:54 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:28:43 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:29:03 -!- mnoqy has joined. 10:34:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:36:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:57:34 -!- pikhq has joined. 11:07:07 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:08:22 -!- sacje has joined. 11:14:17 -!- Jafet has joined. 11:14:44 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 11:15:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:19:17 -!- itsy has quit (Quit: itsy). 11:19:59 11:21:48 -!- impomatic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:27:10 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:36:23 -!- CADD has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 11:39:59 -!- sacje has quit (Excess Flood). 11:40:46 -!- sacje has joined. 11:52:09 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 12:11:09 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:12:16 -!- yorick has joined. 12:32:07 i got pbflisted. was it serious this time or another false alarm? 12:34:03 Traditional hellos from the Assembly event thing. 12:35:41 oh. cool. it's serious. 12:35:49 thanks whoever used it properly 12:37:18 "Oh, cool. It's serious." -- things you rarely hear at the doctor's. 12:37:50 -!- nooodl has joined. 12:41:05 the serious moonlight 12:43:59 "The Mozilla build process requires many tools that are not installed on most Windows systems. In addition to Visual Studio, you must install MozillaBuild, which is a bundle of software including just the right versions of bash, GNU make, autoconf, Mercurial, and much more." 12:50:54 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:51:00 -!- jconn has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:54:32 -!- jconn has joined. 12:55:33 -!- boily has joined. 13:15:34 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:15:47 -!- katla has quit (Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.). 13:15:51 -!- pikhq has joined. 13:18:00 good quote-depleted morning! 13:19:41 @tell oerjan I kinda lost count of the recursion layers. are we still on a natural number, of have we reached reality? 13:19:42 Consider it noted. 13:19:57 Quote-depleted? 13:20:54 the haskell weekly news only has a single quote. 13:26:51 ' 13:27:13 -!- metasepia has joined. 13:28:18 * boily pokes fizzie with a vietnamese wooden spatula 13:28:48 Ow. 13:32:01 I bought a graphics card (special Assembly discount deal), and it came with... let's see... "Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Blacklist Digital Deluxe Edition" and "Metro: Last Light". 13:32:21 I have no idea what these are (except that they're games), but they're "not for resale". 13:34:18 ~duck splinter cell 13:34:18 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell is a series of award-winning action-adventure stealth video games the first of which was released in 2002, and their tie-in novels. 13:34:25 ~duck metro last night 13:34:25 The Legend of Zelda HD Experience is an upcoming action game video game for the Wii U, Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 which is being developed by 4A Games. 13:34:37 Uh. 13:34:38 hthth. 13:34:46 I am not entirely sure that last one is helpful. 13:35:19 Unless "Metro: Last Night" is the same thing as The Legend of Zelda HD Experience. 13:36:05 well, the 4A Games part is correct. 13:36:20 splinter cell is like this long running series of spy game things? I think I played a tiny bit of one a long time ago, you could check the reviews on this one? 13:36:34 I don't really like shooting. Do these games feature any shooting? 13:37:00 they're both shooters 13:37:12 there is shooting, and all the gibs and splatter and gore and flying random fleshy bits. 13:38:08 Bleh. I'm not good at things where you have to do a thing. 13:38:27 But it's "not for resale", so they'll presumably shoot me if I try to sell them to someone. 13:38:32 (of like, the man-shoot variety, not the glowy-bullet-dodging variety) 13:38:51 Fiora: You mean, they're not shmups. 13:40:04 yeah 13:40:13 Also: the #esoteric presence bitmap visualization thing I made is not draggable on Android-touchscreen-Chrome. 13:40:19 sorry, I kinda just wanted an excuse to say glowy-bullet-dodging. 13:40:45 It's done with mousedown/mousemove/mouseup eventry, I guess that doesn't really happen here. 13:41:13 there's a map? 13:41:45 boily: A bitmap. You know, it's a map in time. 13:41:55 And "presence" means "being on-channel". 13:42:13 oh. 13:42:15 http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_presence.html 13:42:39 You can check yourself out on there. 13:42:50 woah. 13:42:58 I only see up to 2009 and can't drag. :/ 13:43:32 oooh, that's kind of cool. 13:43:59 Fiora: We can see when you sleep. 13:44:11 Also there seem to be some gaps. 13:45:29 elliott's traces are scary. 13:45:40 boily: As is only appropriate. 13:50:10 fizzie: when I sleep is not quite a secret :p though I also nap a lot too 13:50:47 Fiora: The naps would need to be quite regular in order to be visible. 13:51:37 yeah, I guess so 13:51:52 oh, you can add multiple layers. is this a who-is-whose-alt tool? :P 13:52:47 I think it was already used to prove kmc is Taneb, or something like that. 13:53:50 In re layers, the blending is kinda wrong, so it's best to put a dark-ish color like red on the bottom, and a bright one (like turquoise) on top. 13:55:16 kmc: are you Taneb? 14:13:58 -!- jsvine has joined. 14:14:53 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:17:39 -!- Bike has joined. 14:37:46 ~fortune 14:37:46 Behind all the political rhetoric being hurled at us from abroad, we are 14:37:47 bringing home one unassailable fact -- [terrorism is] a crime by any civilized 14:37:47 standard, committed against innocent people, away from the scene of political 14:37:47 conflict, and must be dealt with as a crime. . . . 14:37:47 [I]n our recognition of the nature of terrorism as a crime lies our best hope 14:37:47 of dealing with it. . . . 14:37:47 [L]et us use the tools that we have. Let us invoke the cooperation we have 14:37:48 the right to expect around the world, and with that cooperation let us shrink 14:37:48 the dark and dank areas of sanctuary until these cowardly marauders are held 14:37:49 to answer as criminals in an open and public trial for the crimes they have 14:37:49 committed, and receive the punishment they so richly deserve. 14:37:50 - William H. Webster, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 15 Oct 1985 14:39:15 ok 14:39:44 ~fortune 14:39:44 Fortune finishes the great quotations, #2 14:39:44 If at first you don't succeed, think how many people 14:39:44 you've made happy. 14:39:56 hm. not a good fortunate day. 14:39:57 ~yi 14:39:58 Your divination: "Clustering" to "Confining" 14:41:14 so, we gather together and get oppressed. 14:41:39 * boily stays away from any divinatory tool today as a safety measure 14:52:28 -!- Roujo has joined. 14:56:36 so im reading dennett's intuition pumps 14:56:54 and ch 24 is basically an intro to register machines 14:57:25 which is fun, because now im thinking about how to write an advanced imperative language on top of it 14:59:57 Deewiant: What's this CTCP-version thing? 15:02:24 fizzie: It's a request for your client to identify itself 15:02:48 Roujo: Yes, yes, I know what it is; I was more curious about the whys. 15:02:55 fizzie: Oh. Sorry =P 15:03:10 Identify yourself, fizzie. 15:03:56 maybe Deewiant is trying to figure out which type of fizzie you are 15:03:59 like, a coke? pepsi? 15:04:24 Jafet: *beep* this is fizzie v0.9pre1+55e82e1eb131597ce6ef77ff775b2c2e5f4d6b45 -- all systems nominal *beep* 15:05:42 It's funny how systems are always either nominal or off-the-charts 15:07:08 Why use nominal systems when you can use significant ones. 15:08:02 *beep* this is Fiora v1.24 -- all systems kind of nominal, but needs food *beep* 15:11:19 Ooh, we've a post-1 version here. 15:14:51 yes, that's because I'm old' 15:16:09 I'm "old" too, and still a prerelease. 15:16:26 That said, someone should version oerjan too. 15:17:25 You should become a Mozilla project, they have nice version numbering. 15:17:48 I don't want my source code to be public though :/ 15:17:54 that's kind of a little bit too invasive, you know? 15:19:33 -!- Tritonio has joined. 15:19:55 -!- Tritonio has quit (Client Quit). 15:19:59 Hardly anyone bothers to read it anyway. I would be more worried about the imminent increase in size. 15:20:28 then they'd know about all my subroutines and all my weaknesses 15:20:45 -!- Tritonio has joined. 15:20:49 and they probably still couldn't really do anything useful! like fix that old feature request from years back to add cat ears 15:22:56 I'm sure you can get cat ears as an external "add-on". 15:23:22 and there's still that bug where it falls asleep constantly throughout the day 15:23:42 You would not be the first Mozilla product to have this problem 15:24:00 and the emotion engine really could use some tuning 15:24:26 I could use some tuna. 15:24:45 delicious, 美味しい tunafish... 15:26:58 I'm now imagining like pull requests for people 15:27:32 not sure it's a good idea. it'll end with “pull my finger” jokes. 15:28:05 https://github.com/msporny/dna/pull/1 15:40:05 "Error: blob is too big" 15:47:22 -!- tertu has joined. 15:47:42 -!- itsy has joined. 15:58:23 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 16:14:39 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:53:39 -!- jsvine has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 16:56:38 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:59:09 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 17:02:58 -!- conehead has joined. 17:04:53 do you have any experience with linux on powerpc macs? 17:05:07 * kmc a little 17:05:40 did you have working audio? 17:05:48 don't recall 17:13:15 I did that thing. 17:13:21 And had working audio at least on the iBook. 17:13:32 Can't be quite certain about the Performa whatever. 17:13:43 (The one where MkLinux was the only choice.) 17:14:44 Did anyone here have a ZX Spectrum? I'm just writing a bit of Z80 at the moment! 17:14:58 I have a speccy friend, does that count? 17:15:03 I installed debian on an old PPC Mac 17:15:04 Once 17:15:05 Long ago 17:15:07 Also I've written some amount of Z80 code for the TI-86. 17:35:38 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:59:43 -!- jsvine has joined. 18:16:30 ~metar CYUL 18:16:30 CYUL 011811Z 22022G34KT 4SM -SHRA BKN012 OVC025 19/17 A2979 RMK SC6SC2 RERA TCU ASOCT PRESRR SLP088 DENSITY ALT 700FT 18:17:21 Oh god yes 18:17:29 The weather here is freaking insance 18:17:32 insane 18:18:14 I installed Linux on a bunch of 68k Macs 18:18:28 Although it seemed to have calmed down now 18:18:31 That was fast >_> 18:18:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:26:14 Roujo: where are you from? 18:26:33 Lachine =P 18:26:49 bin voyons don. 18:26:57 ^^ 18:27:10 Le monde est petit, et tout et tout =P 18:27:18 c'est ça qui est ça :p 18:27:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:29:14 are you asking him for his coordinates and body weigh 18:29:36 just watch me... 18:30:33 Roujo: je me dois de te poser la La Question: quelles sont tes coördonnées approximatives, et ta masse corporelle? 18:30:42 (pour les coordonnées, ça va déjà :) ) 18:31:32 NullPointerException at Person.getBodyWeight(); 18:31:51 darn. 18:31:57 Alternatively, 403 ^^ 18:32:05 that'll do. 18:32:24 it's a number, which is better than what some people gave me. 18:32:35 * boily stares at coppro 18:32:36 boily: I hope you omitted the last letter of the French word for weight 18:32:49 ... 18:32:50 elliott: oh hm. didn't think about that. 18:32:57 elliott: Why the hell would he do that? =P 18:32:59 corporell. 18:33:06 Roujo: it's... uhm... well... 18:33:07 Roujo: it's tradition! 18:33:13 right! tradition! 18:33:23 >okay.jpg 18:33:39 oh. weight. no, wait. wait. not corporell, mass. 18:34:43 alternatively you could translate the verb verb "weigh" 18:34:59 peser? 18:36:07 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:37:34 Huh 18:37:38 It's in the survey as well 18:37:56 -!- Guest18414 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:38:06 Roujo: tradition. 18:38:14 -!- Guest18414 has joined. 18:38:22 This channel is plain steeped in tradition. 18:38:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:44:26 for 3-4 minutes at 185° F 18:44:53 :D 18:44:53 ~eval (185 - 32) * 5 / 9 18:44:53 85.0 18:45:26 just subtract 100 18:45:58 ~eval (212 - 32) * 5 / 9 18:45:59 100.0 18:46:39 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 18:50:06 ~eval 2 / 0 18:50:06 Infinity 18:50:08 Woot 18:50:22 ^prefixes 18:50:23 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ), blsqbot ! 18:50:34 ~eval 17 % 2 18:50:35 17 % 2 18:50:38 Awww 18:50:49 !prefixes 18:50:51 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! 18:51:02 Nice 18:51:03 @prefixes 18:51:03 Unknown command, try @list 18:51:12 Are all of the bots from different people? 18:51:15 `prefixes 18:51:19 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! 18:51:25 HackEgo and EgoBot are both from Gregor 18:51:28 )prefixes 18:51:38 I stop flooding channel now 18:51:45 Because I could bring mine here too =) 18:51:54 of course! 18:52:00 To help them get closer to a majority 18:52:03 And take us over 18:52:14 mine is metasepia, fungot is fizzie's, jconn is jafet's (I think). 18:52:15 boily: i actually was wondering. :p http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ help:... :i have an alghoritm witch describe low levels bits operation that should be 18:52:42 I tried to parse this for wayyy too long 18:53:09 I'll bring my bot here, then 18:53:13 I just have to fix her first >_> 18:53:18 She forgot about prefixes 18:53:39 So she reacts to anything that looks like a command, whether or not she's supposed to 18:53:42 ANYWAY =P 18:54:24 ^source 18:54:24 http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 18:54:28 (Shameless: plug.) 18:54:41 https://github.com/Roujo/Emily-Core 18:55:04 boily: jconn is nobody from here's. 18:55:10 well, sgeo's if anything :p 18:55:25 java bot :'( 18:55:29 Something tells me there's quite an overlap between Agora and here =P 18:55:33 Ah, right 18:55:38 You don't like Java, do you =P 18:56:15 fungot: Do you agree that there should be some sort of "esolang bots only" rule? 18:56:16 fizzie: i really wish someone had layed down the law and taken away he damn thing when i know that 18:56:26 That could be a yes. 18:56:55 Sure, let me bring my Brainfuck bot instead 18:57:09 Also, Emily is built on an Esolang 18:57:14 That's a Superset of Java 18:57:21 And build using the same compiler 18:57:26 And runs on the JVM 18:57:27 >_> 18:57:28 <_< 18:58:20 Oh god 18:58:29 What the hell is fungot coded in 18:58:29 Roujo: i never have! he wont let me do my tribute to fishnet stockings... 18:58:42 Erm 18:58:43 Erm 18:58:54 ^src 18:58:56 ^source 18:58:56 http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 18:58:58 I saw that easlier today 18:59:02 earlier* 18:59:04 Well, yeah 18:59:08 I have the code in front of me 18:59:14 But I can't figure out what language it is 18:59:18 Befunge-98 18:59:21 Nice 18:59:26 Right 18:59:29 The 2D one 18:59:53 ^help 18:59:53 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 19:00:08 ^help show 19:00:09 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 19:00:12 Welp =P 19:00:15 ^show 19:00:16 echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping 19:00:21 Nice 19:02:25 haskell counts as an esolang? right? 19:03:42 unless it's a very elaborate joke, I'm pretty sure the haskell people are serious about it 19:05:31 boily: also, have you looked at ursala? 19:05:52 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:06:36 olsner: last time I tried, my brain suddenly froze for no apparent reason, and when I regained consiousness I had tribal paintings on my body. 19:08:04 There is a: orchestra playing video game music concert: here. 19:08:12 I understand those things are quite popular. 19:08:56 They've also promised an "only at Assembly" mega-surprise at the end, so now I'm going to have to sit here through this all just to see something that's probably something really lame. 19:09:15 fizzie: you're at assembly? 19:09:31 boily: Every time since 1996. 19:09:48 (Okay, with one exception.) 19:09:54 `learn ursala ~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-, 19:09:58 I knew that. 19:10:19 (extract of https://github.com/gueststar/Ursala/blob/master/contrib/sudoku.fun) 19:10:25 that isn't an ideal example of ursala code because it lacks the random comprehensible substrings jammed in the midle 19:10:37 where it briefly pretends to be a normal language 19:10:42 * boily feels extremely weird for a moment 19:12:21 Roujo: oh, two other traditions besides bot abuse and coördinating: `? and `quote 19:14:57 -!- Bike_ has joined. 19:18:31 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:21:28 -!- Bike_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:22:41 What's that? 19:22:43 `? 19:22:45 ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:22:45 | 19:22:46 o/`¯º 19:22:48 Rofl 19:22:50 `quote 19:22:52 659) (I vehemently oppose the SNP because they want closer ties with Sweden.) 19:22:57 `quote Roujo 19:22:58 No output. 19:23:04 `quote boily 19:23:06 925) boily: the man eating chicken is just a normal man, it's quite common to eat chicken in some parts of the world \ 926) ~eval 1+2 Error (127): this is a great bot boily i love it \ 935) not only there is no God, but try to find an APL keyboard on Sunday. \ 938) ais523: I'm not sure my 19:23:08 Nice 19:23:09 Welp 19:23:11 I'm off 19:23:11 Cya =) 19:23:19 -!- Bike has joined. 19:23:28 `relcome Roujo 19:23:30 ​Roujo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 19:23:50 ~eval (1, 2) ^. _1 19:23:52 1 19:24:06 maybe you should "mix it up", elliott 19:24:23 ~eval "hello" ^. folded . enum . to Sum 19:24:24 Error (1): Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Int' with `GHC.Types.Char' 19:24:24 Expected type: (a0 19:24:24 -> Control.Lens.Internal.Getter.Accessor (Data.Monoid.Sum a0) a0) 19:24:24 -> GHC.Types.Char 19:24:24 -> Control.Lens.Internal.Getter.Accessor 19:24:24 (Data.Monoid.Sum a0) GHC.Types.Char 19:24:25 Actual type: (a0 19:24:25 -> Control.Lens.Internal.Getter.Accessor (Data.Monoid.Sum a0) a0) 19:24:26 -> GHC.Types.Int 19:24:26 -> Control.Lens.Internal.Getter.Accessor 19:24:27 (Data.Monoid.Sum a0) GHC.Types.Int 19:24:31 ~eval "hello" ^. folded . re enum . to Sum 19:24:32 Sum {getSum = 532} 19:27:28 Bike: mix what up. 19:28:19 the welcome! Roujo has "been" around the "block" you gotta get some other greet's going 19:28:36 imo, you do it. 19:29:44 `echo "@ping" 19:29:45 ​"@ping" 19:29:50 `echo ~ping 19:29:51 ​~ping 19:30:01 Invisible character, right? 19:30:11 yep. very annoying. 19:30:29 `WELCOME Roujo 19:30:31 ROUJO: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) 19:30:37 you're lucky i'm here for HR, elliott. 19:31:21 `wElCoMe Roujo 19:31:22 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wElCoMe: not found 19:31:25 what about `welcome run through a thesaurus 19:31:41 genius 19:31:52 it should pick different words each time though 19:32:25 would be hard to make sure it picked actual matches though-- what am i saying, that just makes it even better 19:33:03 let's try and ping idlers on this channel, and see how the respond to the thesaurelcome. 19:33:18 s/how the/how they/ 19:33:28 greetings from the transnational core of odd computation system architecture and diaspora! to learn more, try our website: http://oddcomputation.net/. (For another sort of oddness, check out http://www.ioof.org/ 19:33:43 ioof??? 19:34:44 want to add "the transnational core of odd computation system architecture and diaspora" to the topic but it would get too long :( 19:35:07 Satisfying facing dramaturgic foreign nerve centre because arcane prioritise jargon map also formation 19:35:13 "for another sort of oddness" is also fantastic 19:35:20 maybe you could use shadyurl to shorten that google docs link 19:35:29 Taneb, that reminds me of a certain kind of sci-fi 19:35:59 "odd computation" is a surprisingly good description of esolangs 19:37:06 Whereas higher clue inquiry away us wiki 19:38:33 Inasamuch as comic more friendly like mysticism shot #esoteric onward irc.dal.net 19:38:35 * boily applies electrodes to Taneb's brain and do a high-voltage reset of his language center 19:38:43 bonjour 19:39:07 ah, c'est pas mal mieux! 19:39:16 ça va? 19:39:44 ça va, ça va. il fait un peu trop humide à mon goût dehors, mais à part de ça ça va plutôt bien. comment est-ce que ça se porte à hexham? 19:40:37 Le temps est chaud 19:40:48 Je n'aime pas ça 19:41:17 Phantom__Hoover, aidez-moi! Je ne veux pas parler français, pas plus! 19:42:05 la résitance est futile. prépare-toi à devenir canadien! 19:42:09 Je ne comprend pas? 19:42:52 Canadien? Je pensais que je devenais belge!+ 19:42:53 olsner: nothing to see here. everything is fine. Taneb is okay, he's certainly not calling for help. 19:43:04 Taneb: ah non, pour ça il faut parler à Koen. 19:43:49 * Taneb jette vers le haut 19:43:53 see kids, this is what happens when you pretend canada is real 19:44:58 I don't need to pretend Canada is real, because I am at Canada, and here Canada is real. 19:45:30 well that's not saying much, narnia is real in narnia too 19:45:48 * Taneb prend les électrodes et les insère retour dans son cerveau 19:45:52 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 19:45:58 Well, I suppose, but I live at Canada. 19:45:59 Oh god that is so much better 19:46:21 we have coppro, cpressey, Roujo, zzo38, and myself. 19:46:39 darn. Taneb escaped. come back here, you felon! 19:53:48 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:54:32 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 20:01:24 -!- MBEFDC has joined. 20:01:44 -!- MBEFDC has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:08:57 Is there any strmove command in any C? 20:09:24 what's that, strcpy + free? 20:09:33 Like memmove except for strcpy? 20:09:36 (I hope not.) 20:09:56 shachaf: Yes that is what I mean. 20:10:39 so... the source and dest can overlap? 20:12:02 You could still use memmove for that but if there was strmove that would work too. 20:12:33 so what's strmove for then. 20:13:11 Just like you could use memcpy instead of strcpy if you use strlen, but you could make it not require strlen if you use strcpy or strmove 20:14:14 Huh 20:14:20 Apparently my bank card expired in March 20:15:23 zzo38: I don't think you get the same benefit, though. 20:15:30 -!- quintopia has joined. 20:15:37 shachaf: What benefit? 20:16:42 Well, with strcpy, you only have to iterate over the string once, whereas with strlen+memcpy you'd have to do it twice. 20:17:42 it's only a string, and it shouldn't be very long. besides, iterating over it twice still means the overall procedure is O(n). 20:18:06 O(now I see) 20:18:18 if I remember someone's benchmark correctly, strlen+memcpy is often faster than strcpy, so that might not be much of a benefit 20:18:46 If strlen+memcpy is faster than strcpy, then strcpy should be implemented as strlen+memcpy, clearly. 20:19:30 I guess people thought anything with a single pass would so *obviously* be faster they didn't bother to check 20:20:05 Yes I do mean that if you had a strmove then you wouldn't have to iterate it twice like that. 20:20:06 is that because memcpy can copy in bigger blocks? 20:20:16 And it might be long; don't assume it isn't? 20:20:22 someone should create an algorithm in O(1/n). 20:20:46 (If strlen+memcpy is faster than strcpy then yes it should be implemented like that instead) 20:21:04 kmc: perhaps that and generally more attention being spent to optimization of memcpy 20:21:24 zzo38: a long string becomes a rope. 20:22:54 No, a string could be any data consisting of a series of nonzero bytes ending in a zero byte. 20:23:31 the lenghts of strings are too damn high! 20:24:38 * quintopia joins the string-lengths-too-damn-high party 20:25:12 But how long is a piece of string 20:25:33 nobody knows. 20:27:12 Also how do I get a new debit card issues 20:27:14 *issued 20:27:34 Taneb: step 1: move to california hth 20:27:54 shachaf, but for that I need money and for that I need a new debit card! 20:29:11 first, become Canadian. 20:29:31 Same problem! 20:33:05 we can do that in installments. you just start very slow, with basic stuff like poutine, then progress from that. 20:35:36 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 20:38:02 On another note, taking people at face value makes everything seem so much nicer 20:38:08 example? 20:39:08 Someone said, referring to a thingy that I tried to organize the other day that no-one could make it to, "I don't want it to be just me and Nathan..." (she could make it, but nobody else could) 20:39:56 Apparently, that was packed full of subtext and loads of people got angry at her for saying it 20:40:07 But to me it seemed perfectly logical 20:41:05 just me and Nathan and Taneb and Ngevd and atriq 20:41:25 Taneb, wait, actually angry 20:41:49 Yeah 20:41:55 Not actually loads 20:41:57 Maybe 2 20:42:18 why 20:42:26 I don't know! 20:42:32 I don't want to concern myself with it! 20:42:35 I don't like being angry! 20:43:04 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:49:58 -!- Bike has joined. 21:15:37 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:23:27 error: unresolved name `RcMut`. Did you mean `id`? 21:23:32 the keys are right next to each other 21:29:17 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 21:29:19 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:29:52 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:42:16 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:48:26 -!- tertu has joined. 21:59:35 error: mismatched types: expected `[type error]` but found struct 21:59:37 shit rustc says 22:18:34 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:18:57 kmc: imo start the twitter account 22:20:16 kmc: bug report it 22:21:47 in open source mozilla, bug reports you 22:22:12 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:24:13 -!- Tritonio has joined. 22:38:48 Re the surprise they promised: it was that the orchestra/choir performed an arrangement of the soundtrack of Second Reality. 22:39:33 is that like second life 22:39:57 No; it's an iconic PC demo from 1993 or so. 22:40:15 From Future Crew; it's quite the famous. 22:40:30 I like the C64 version 22:40:34 With music by Skaven and Purple Motion. 22:40:46 kmc: btw is this ""unsene"" thing a parody y/n 22:41:04 http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=63 22:41:10 This is the original 22:41:48 http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=1216 This is the C64 remake 22:41:49 The cityscape soundtrack (as performed by orchestra) resembled quite much the one in Final Reality, the early-ish graphics benchmark software those guys did. 22:42:42 The C64 port is impressively faithful to the original. 22:43:32 http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=7259 This is the benchmark. 22:43:43 (DirectX 5! So modern.) 22:45:04 shachaf: what is it 22:45:29 kmc: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/unsene-secure-and-private-chat-calls-and-photo-and-file-sharing 22:45:36 hm do they get pageranks or something if i link to it 22:45:46 i thought you had talked about it previously but maybe it was someone else 22:46:43 also e.g. http://unsene.com/blog/2013/06/15/is-most-encryption-broken/ etc. 22:46:51 "nd now, with the recent revelations about the NSA" but but it goes through their servers and they keep logs 22:47:22 Includes xAES (which was in the running for the AES standard and has much higher bit rates) and we are developing a flexible One Time Pad system, which is nearly immune to cryptanalysis. 22:47:50 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:47:54 "Secure your freedom™" that's fantastic 22:48:05 "We don't participate in the NSA's PRISM program. 22:48:15 if... if they did they'd still have to say that 22:48:44 charging extra for a developer account is super classy 22:48:44 geez this makes no sense -_- 22:48:51 i participate in the NSA's PRISM program! 22:48:53 what now 22:49:17 also I like that the first thing in the writeup is a TechCrunch quote but it's not, like, giving a favorable opinion of them, just saying what they claim to do 22:49:21 (i didn't even have to sign up or agree to any terms and conditions, it was p. great) 22:49:26 "They are using computer technology that’s at least 30 years advanced over the computer you have, including quantum computers. These computers are at least 10 billion times faster than what you use. " mmhm. 22:49:42 and... and they can walk into the server room and just pick up your messages 22:49:43 "Public domain encryption wouldn’t be allowed into the pubic unless it was cracked, because they wouldn’t be able to spy on you." 22:49:57 allowed into the pubic 22:49:59 Bike: quantum computers, man 22:50:00 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:51:01 Encryption looks like this: 22:51:04 wnsd8hgurXE#N69xerpgtnjusdmcir436,cf0dmg09#ns,d 22:51:06 That’s what the phrase “Encryption looks like this” looks like when it’s encrypted. 22:51:09 they're, like, ten billion times faster. 22:51:58 -!- FreeFull has joined. 22:52:06 There are a couple of ways to deal with these threats. First, you can identify and remove them and this is how anti-virus software works. You can also install a firewall either in the network cable (which requires hardware) or on the computer itself to monitor and block the packets leaving your computer. 22:52:30 * Bike takes notes 22:52:39 i think these people are bad 22:52:57 oh gosh. 22:53:36 it's like technobabble 22:55:33 Or you could write your own operating system 22:55:38 Rendering all malware incompatible 22:56:09 "Mission: Impossible-style self-destructing messages" 22:56:51 what. 22:58:19 "Includes xAES (which was in the running for the AES standard and has much higher bit rates)" "XAES – a more secure and advanced version of AES, ours goes up to 4096 bits, which is über-strong. Unlikely to be broken as this has been customized from standard code libraries that aren’t widely known." 23:00:10 oh, right, their entire marketing model is based on the idea that with more resources you can break anything and are a wizard 23:00:37 wasn't there a thing where there was an attack that was actually better against AES-256 than 128 because of insufficient mixing or something? 23:00:46 and like, generalizing to a bigger key size without enough mixing and rounds could be super dangerous 23:02:18 this unsene thing hurts me 23:02:24 yes, but on the other hand, not being über-strong is also kind of dangerous 23:02:38 you gotta choose 23:02:59 wanna bet that the implementation has a bunch of obvious weaknesses? 23:03:18 luckily those weaknesses are hidden from the NSA> 23:03:42 AES-10715086071862673209484250490600018105614048117055336074437503883703510511249361224931983788156958581275946729175531468251871452856923140435984577574698574803934567774824230985421074605062371141877954182153046474983581941267398767559165543946077062914571196477686542167660429831652624386837205668069376 23:03:59 Fiora yeah there are related key attacks against AES-192 and AES-256 23:04:00 comex: probably not, it's been customised from standard code libraries that aren't widely known. 23:04:21 comex: how could they possibly break it if they don't know what it is?? 23:05:16 elliott makes a good point 23:05:26 elliott: you should take the bet 23:05:30 Is file-sharing like an email attachment? (obviously i have never used any file-sharing program) 23:05:33 good FAQ 23:11:18 -!- Tritonio has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:12:39 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:26:19 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:33:24 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 23:40:21 -!- aloril has joined. 23:46:24 -!- kallisti has joined. 23:52:19 -!- jsvine has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 23:55:30 -!- Sgeo has joined.