00:03:19 they say the smallest one known right now is 100 µm² 00:07:49 Bike: http://bwiklund.github.io/ant-simulator/ 00:10:45 hey, remember http://lpaste.net/52660 ?? 00:11:29 these ants are kind of dumb 00:11:31 pretty trails though 00:27:07 Bike: http://www.astro.sunysb.edu/astro/seminars/archive/JS09/jcl27Feb09-1.pdf also for you~ 00:27:17 (sorry, I don't have a non-pdf link) 00:29:22 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:29:35 now this is my kind of paper 00:31:27 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2010-190 00:31:36 i like how they interview the guy to say how exciting life on Titan would be 00:31:52 as if anyone wouldn't be excited. well, you SHOULD be excited, says scientist 00:33:03 okay so bike likes alternative biochemistries 00:33:04 * Fiora takes notes 00:33:52 yeah when i was like 16 i read a nonfiction book on alternative biochemistries "the rest is history" 00:34:12 hmm a fiction book on alternative biochemistries sounds better imo 00:34:22 well i've read those too 00:34:33 like schild's ladder, though i guess that's more "alternative chemistries" 00:34:44 what would you call Flux? 00:34:49 alternative... bionuclearchemistries? 00:35:06 ooh ants are pretty 00:35:09 well i mean, if you take generalized chemistry to mean something with reactants and all 00:35:27 you can call schild's quarkshit as "alternative chemistry", and the same with dragon's egg or whatever? 00:36:04 i also read one of the sector general books which is pretty fun 00:36:22 "doctor, how can we cure lupus in a sapient methane cloud" 00:40:58 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:48:34 -!- Bike has joined. 00:53:11 what 00:53:45 it's a sci-fi book series about a giant hospital that gets weird aliens, is all. 00:56:24 -!- intosh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:07:39 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 01:15:25 I have a "fwords" table, with some overlapping entries (such as "hello" and "lost"). What is the algorithm to efficiently encode a string by converting things into references to fwords table? 01:16:34 so like, you have "hel2" "2st" "2: lo" in the table...? 01:19:25 Bike: Yes, such things might be in the table, and then maybe you want to encode "hel2: lost" for example... 01:21:45 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:37:23 http://coyot.es/crossing/2013/07/09/20-amazing-true-facts-about-introverts-and-extroverts/ 01:38:24 -!- kallisti has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:39:27 it's called a ganglion, extroverts!! 01:39:46 -!- kallisti has joined. 01:39:46 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 01:39:46 -!- kallisti has joined. 01:40:23 "Introvert hair is made of keratin, the same proteinaceous material that makes up your horn if you’re a rhino." 01:40:31 see, I'm an introvert! take that 01:40:42 kmc: this is great 01:42:40 * Fiora waves her display of keratinous fibers around 01:44:20 q: how do introverted rhinos deal 01:45:57 they're horny. 01:45:58 all the time. 01:47:33 bike this is a question that just came up between elliott and I 01:47:36 where did hair variation come from 01:47:39 help. 01:47:40 oh 01:47:40 like why do humans have such vastly different hairs 01:47:41 but 01:47:51 like, fingernails are pretty much almost the same. 01:47:54 thank god we have a biologist. 01:47:56 -!- shachaf has left. 01:48:06 like what is it with hair specifically o_O 01:48:10 brace yourself for my speech recognition questions fizzie 01:48:13 well i don't know if you've noticed but some other external features vary a lot 01:48:15 for example, skin 01:48:36 I guess so? but like everyone has pretty similar fingernails and those are the other keratin things 01:50:18 ok more serious answer 01:50:25 Most of the difference between different sorts of hairs is just the cross-section. 01:50:56 as in, like, the thickness? 01:51:01 And the shape. 01:51:11 hairs aren't round? 01:51:17 Straight hair is round. 01:51:41 hm, now i realize i don't know how hair is colored 01:51:54 i'm guessing it's not through actually coloring keratin... 01:52:15 it's melanin isn't it...? or... 01:52:29 well yeah but what's it coloring 01:52:58 "All natural hair colors are the result of two types of hair pigment. Both of these pigments are melanin types, produced inside the hair follicle and packed into granules found in the fibers." 01:53:16 so black hair is just a whole lot of eumelanin 01:53:35 anyway my point was going to be that ccoloring fingernails would be harder to implement. 01:54:13 i mean from my understanding fingernails are just a plate of keratin 01:54:15 Would be cool though. 01:54:17 hairs are more complicated 01:57:26 wow, reading the wikipedia article 01:57:36 it sounds like our best scientific ideas are really wildly speculative @_@ 01:57:53 like, for the evolution of curly hair (mammalian hair is normally straight) 01:57:58 for what, the prettiest nail colori- oh 01:58:07 and the evolution of straight hair again (after the diaspora of homo sapiens from africa) 01:58:07 shit yeah, i'm a mutant! unexplainable by modern science! 01:58:17 imo it would be pretty cool if people had different coloured nails 01:58:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair#Texture <-- here's your evolutionary biology!!! 01:58:35 they're transparent, you'd have to have a different color of skin there 01:58:37 is what i was getting at 01:59:17 "While some might argue that, by this logic, humans should also express hairy shoulders given that these body parts would putatively be exposed to similar conditions," evolutionary biology is the best 01:59:23 -!- shachaf has joined. 01:59:27 look Bike, if biology can't make them not transparent then that's biology's problem 01:59:29 `smlist (412) 01:59:30 smlist (412): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy 01:59:35 @ask mnoqy smlist (412) 01:59:36 Consider it noted. 01:59:37 -!- shachaf has left. 02:00:00 huh, so they've mostly confirmed that east asian coarse/straight hair evolved within the past 65000 years 02:00:02 so what we need to do is set up a eugenic breeding program to develop nail colorings, is what you're saying. 02:00:03 so post-africa 02:00:19 frankly african genetics seem kind of scary to me 02:00:25 i mean you have khoisians and pygmies 02:00:28 that's like, super diverse! 02:00:41 make the rest of us look like conformist punks. 02:01:26 wow, "afro-textured hair" is actually the scientific term 02:01:58 "IIn the 19th century, a distinguishing feature of Khoisan women was considered to be their tendency for steatopygia.[20] This belief contributed greatly to the European fascination with the so-called Hottentot Venus." 19th century human biology is hilarious 02:02:06 "what's the distinguishing trait of these people?" "hot asses" 02:04:15 "these people have smaller heads, so they must be dumber than us, who are intelligent enough to decide that head size is a good indicator of intelligence" 02:04:47 yes 02:04:48 Biggest head is best head. 02:04:59 -!- intosh has joined. 02:05:22 ironically I guess that means the scientists doing that 02:05:24 were big-headed? 02:05:32 recent human evolution is weird shit though, i mean look at lactase 02:05:34 or denisova 02:05:39 what the fuck is that. 02:07:15 thank you genetics for the wonders of lactase 02:07:27 i'm a big fan of lactase 02:08:11 what i'm getting out of this wikipedia section on hair evolution is that we don't know shit and are throwing out tons of guesses. 02:08:37 «However, inclinations towards deeming hair texture "adaptively trivial" may root in certain cultural value judgments more than objective logic. In this sense the possibility that hair texture may have played an adaptively significant role cannot be completely eliminated from consideration.» like 02:09:43 I like how darwin was like "maybe there wasn't anything to it at all" 02:11:09 I assumed it would just be some nonsense about different kinds of hair evolving to stand out and ~attract mates~ or whatever 02:11:12 good thing nobody has any idea. 02:12:10 the fiber optic UV thing is too amusing 02:12:56 I have no idea what you're referring to but I just had a vision of fibre optic hair 02:13:07 clearly the future 02:14:55 Sounds like great networking technology. 02:15:08 the thing where they theorized straight hair conducted UV better for vitamin D (?!?) 02:17:24 -!- intosh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:18:25 -!- sebbu has quit (Quit: reboot). 02:19:39 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:20:04 Why are there so many people who have my name? 02:20:13 A Hardcore Pawn guy, a gay DJ, Christ... 02:26:57 -!- intosh has joined. 02:28:12 elliott: there's that too (re: nonsense), i'm just not quoting it. 02:32:27 Fiora: i don't think darwin talked about hair, they just meant that generally as genetic drift and so on. Pro Biologist Tip: if darwin's being mentioned outside of a historical context you can pretty much ignore the surrounding sentences 02:32:46 ah >_< 02:33:28 you may or may not recall that darwin's book on human evolution was so outdated and Victorian that I gave up on it 02:46:03 -!- sebbu has joined. 02:57:17 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:58:28 http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2013-4788.html whooops 03:12:03 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:17:41 wow whoops 03:17:46 -!- kallisti has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:19:59 -!- kallisti has joined. 03:19:59 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 03:19:59 -!- kallisti has joined. 03:21:25 lactase is cool, lactase persistence is cooler :) 03:21:56 in western society we think of "lactose intolerant" as a kind of minor disorder but really it's the rest of us who have the recent unusual mutation 03:23:08 yeah, i've tried to switch my vocab around. 03:23:37 also you can take pills with lactase in them so that's cool 03:23:51 the modern world: 10,000 problems and a pill for each one 03:24:56 I wonder how complicated the genetics of lactase persistence are 03:25:02 like it seems to vary exactly how intolerant people are 03:25:50 luckily there exists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_regulation_of_lactase_expression_in_mammals 03:26:06 thank goodness 03:26:27 1 million base pairs? @_@ 03:27:11 maybe unpersistent people have it but it isn't activated 03:27:25 yeah lactase is shareware 03:27:46 and we europeans have evolved a crack 03:27:51 i mean their kids can still drink it, yeah. 03:28:00 I know my mom was somewhat intolerant but like not completely so 03:28:10 like she ate some cheese and stuff but never drank milk or anything 03:28:39 ok 03:28:51 my friend just eats cheese anyway and then takes it out on us by farting continuously 03:29:07 admirable plan 03:29:35 wait, explain? @_@ 03:29:39 my book on burma didn't really cover animal domestication, i guess that would help 03:29:50 dunno, dairy makes him fart 03:29:57 I thought this was a common effect of lack of lactase 03:30:03 slash low levels of it whatever 03:30:04 it is. 03:30:10 ah 03:30:51 geez in retrospect this must have been why my mom thought it was a little odd that I never stopped drinking milk since for her that would have been normal 03:31:00 but my dad always ate cereal with milk in the mornings 03:31:41 "Chinese and Japanese populations typically lose between 20 and 30 percent of their ability to digest lactose within three to four years of weaning. Some studies have found that most Japanese can consume 200 ml (8 fl oz) of milk without severe symptoms (Swagerty et al., 2002)." trying to imagine this study 03:32:09 "here's a huge pile of cheese. how much of this can you eat without vomiting" 03:32:25 >_< 03:32:47 presumably presented in the form of a game show 03:34:36 apparently lactase persistence is basically absent in native americans. i did not know this. 03:35:47 also "Native Americans however, have a significantly higher rate of alcoholism than average; it is unclear why this is the case.[76] Other risk factors such as cultural environmental effects e.g. trauma have been proposed to explain the higher rates of alcoholism among Native Americans compared to alcoholism levels in caucasians.[77][78]" great 03:43:13 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:44:44 -!- Bike has joined. 03:46:30 the solution: make bacteria that don't eat lactose 03:47:18 and only use that 03:53:36 also, about dairy 03:53:47 "Around 30 million years ago, the earth’s warm, moist climate became seasonally arid. This shift favored plants that could grow quickly and produce seeds to survive the dry period, and caused a great expansion of grasslands, which in the dry seasons became a sea of desiccated, fibrous stalks and leaves. 03:53:52 So began the gradual decline of the horses and the expansion of the deer family, the ruminants, which evolved the ability to survive on dry grass. 03:53:55 [...] Ruminants produce milk copiously on feed that is otherwise useless to humans and that can be stockpiled as straw or silage." 03:53:56 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:54:00 fun fax 03:54:36 -!- sprocklem has joined. 03:55:11 -!- Bike has joined. 03:58:02 fun fax that are the basis of modern civilization? 03:58:55 well, more likely fun fax about agriculture than about dairying 03:59:04 but they are equally fun 03:59:54 moo 04:00:10 mooooo 04:00:25 actually that should be 04:00:26 meoww 04:07:08 i'm reading about plans to build a new airport for London in the Thames Estuary and one of the obstacles is that the estuary contains a sunken WW2 cargo ship with 1,400 tons of unexploded ordnance o_O 04:07:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery 04:07:18 @____@ 04:07:18 Unknown command, try @list 04:07:31 I did not know until today that 8" floppies existed 04:07:41 WWII was a hell of a thing, eh 04:07:46 yep 04:07:50 wow, you can see the masts. 04:07:52 ships like this going every which way all the time 04:07:57 some of them blew up in ports 04:08:28 Sgeo: that was back when they were actually *floppy*, right? 04:08:43 I think the 5.25" were floppy 04:08:48 Christ, it has blockbuster bombs 04:08:59 I should sleep 04:09:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions 04:09:56 reading about halifax is rather harrowing. 04:10:13 huh, i didn't know the parthenon was destroyed in a modern war 04:11:22 freaking turks 04:11:39 freaking turks. 04:11:53 They're rebuilding the Parthenon apparently 04:14:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster "An Army Air Forces pilot flying in the area reported that the fireball was 3 mi (4.8 km) in diameter" 04:14:43 also, the colosseum was destroyed in the great Spartan-Athenian war 04:15:37 " Most of the dead and injured were enlisted African-American sailors." FDR doesn't care about black people 04:16:00 indeed "The Navy asked Congress to give each victim's family $5,000. Representative John E. Rankin (D-Mississippi) insisted the amount be reduced to $2,000 when he learned most of the dead were black men." 04:16:11 wow :/ 04:16:12 -!- augur_ has joined. 04:16:13 ah, Democrats 04:16:13 super classy 04:16:29 democrats more like racistocrats. 04:21:41 heh. first comment on an article about hyperloop: "Not in my backyard!" 04:21:54 Poe's law applicable here 04:22:51 I'm a minute run away from a train station 04:22:53 It's convenient. 04:23:02 ....did I just effectively tell esoteric where I live? 04:23:23 yes but we don't care 04:24:52 hm, really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY#BANANA 04:25:41 the acronym that is 04:25:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAVE_People 04:27:29 wow, I hadn't tried it before, but the new mediawiki wysiwyg editor is very slick 04:30:55 -!- shachaf has joined. 04:31:57 kmc: It's actually called the Hundred of Hoom Railway. 04:32:06 But no one gets the name right. 04:32:43 ? 04:33:52 Just one of those puns. 04:36:53 kmc: help how do i prepare for job interview 04:39:16 hmm 04:39:18 what kind 04:44:12 -!- Jafet1 has joined. 04:44:59 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:01:55 um, a few different kinds 05:03:31 -!- zzo38 has joined. 05:07:18 -!- mnoqy has joined. 05:13:59 Someone suggested removing sizeof from C would make it to be Turing-complete. Would making it so that a byte has an infinite number of bits make it Turing-complete? 05:14:25 how do you define CHAR_BIT? 05:15:33 I suppose as (unsigned int)(-1) or something like that. What version of C is CHAR_BIT defined in? 05:16:22 C89 and C99 and C11, afaik 05:16:38 O, so that's all of them, I suppose. 05:17:01 Still, what I suggested might work? Does it work? 05:19:10 what would (unsigned int)(-1) be? 05:19:10 -!- zzo38 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:19:14 ok. 05:19:18 -!- zzo38 has joined. 05:19:26 Sorry my computer was crashed 05:19:49 what would (unsigned int)(-1) be? 05:21:22 It would be all (infinte number of) bits set, I suppose. 05:21:45 I suspect unsigned int is required to be a rather more conventional type of integer 05:22:10 C should be extended with p-adics, obv 05:23:37 This isn't even all of p-adics, though, but it is a special case of one 05:23:47 2-adics. 05:24:02 pretty easy to do bitwise arithmetic on 'em, perfect for C 05:28:02 Yes. That is what I am saying, how to make a C to be Turing-complete, if this would work. I don't really know that (unsigned int)(-1) would be the correct value for CHAR_BIT, though, in such case... it should be the logarithm but I don't know that there is even a such things 05:28:05 I guess representing surds would be annoying. 05:28:36 I think if you're talking about a turing complete C you can forget stuff like CHAR_BIT. 05:30:55 But I want to adding/removing stuff as few as possible; can it be done without forgetting stuff like CHAR_BIT? 05:31:22 how about work something out and then add CHAR_BIT and shit like that back in. 05:32:05 Bike: the whole point of talking about a turing complete C is to be pedantic. 05:32:11 why would you ignore CHAR_BIT? 05:32:22 imo, i hate you. 05:32:39 have you all seen the relevant HAKMEM entry? 05:32:55 Is there a relevant HAKMEM entry? What number is it? 05:34:42 154 05:37:28 Yes, I have seen that, although I figured out the conclusion about algebra independently too 05:47:51 -!- sacje has quit (Quit: sacje). 05:53:49 sometimes browser history autocomplete reminds me of the best things, like http://drilbert.tumblr.com/ 05:54:53 http://25.media.tumblr.com/653a5a3738a955c2261e618720d3d2f5/tumblr_mov5xyyjR81sou3fto1_250.png ugh, i've been scooped. 05:59:25 compare and contrast: http://25.media.tumblr.com/7ba349e5889b12f74f3298b49ec6be1a/tumblr_mlf8nwyrKD1sou3fto1_r1_500.png http://25.media.tumblr.com/5dc653403c87e50c45d88228d685d143/tumblr_mfnwniHK091rlynuno1_500.jpg 06:00:34 heh 06:01:15 * kmc practices blowing smoke (well, vapor) rings 06:01:45 kmc: I saw someone doing that today. 06:01:48 "@drymangobird thbe NSA is really good. but it could be bad? please dont write any opinions about it until ive solved this" satire on the media 06:01:54 Inside a car. 06:02:29 Bike: have you noticed that tumblr picture urls are really long and ugly hth 06:02:56 it's tru. 06:02:59 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:03:15 tumblr is also really long and ugly. 06:03:18 just saying. 06:03:25 shachaf: do you know what they were smoke (or, vape) ing? 06:03:39 No, I just saw them through the car window. 06:03:47 And then a second person went into the car and they drove off. 06:03:58 probably a drug deal 06:04:10 Maybe. 06:04:34 what are you smoke (or, vape) ing 06:15:54 watermelon-flavoured not-tobacco 06:15:57 something containing nicotine 06:18:06 O, so that's all of them, I suppose. <--- you of all people I would expect to program in K&R C 06:18:49 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 06:26:05 kmc: are you addicted to nicotine now :'( 06:28:16 shachaf: don't think so 06:30:34 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:31:38 * kmc → afk 06:36:26 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 06:37:05 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:01:06 -!- intosh has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:01:31 -!- intosh has joined. 07:17:54 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 08:00:52 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:23:35 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 08:49:10 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:52:40 -!- variable has joined. 09:07:07 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 10:09:18 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 10:10:05 -!- Sgeo has joined. 10:23:50 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:30:28 -!- itsy has joined. 10:46:34 Just use C++, then you get a turing-complete language at compile time. 10:46:38 -!- Jafet1 has changed nick to Jafet. 10:49:33 -!- nooodl has joined. 10:52:59 -!- carado has joined. 10:56:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:56:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 10:56:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:20:19 -!- kallisti has joined. 11:20:19 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 11:20:19 -!- kallisti has joined. 11:21:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:25:45 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 11:42:04 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:43:12 @tell Bike yeah when i say "weird" i don't mean like, "uncommon", so much as "wow this does not seem like something i personally would think is okay" <-- i think the point of this clause is that it is very hard for the writer of the contract to ensure that no provision of it is illegal and unenforceable in _any_ jurisdiction, and it would be unreasonable for the whole contract to become void because of that. 11:43:12 Consider it noted. 11:54:37 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 12:00:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:19:31 "Otherwise identical twins who are Introvert and Extrovert must be kept separate and never allowed to come into physical contact." <-- oh so that's what's up with elliott and Taneb 12:20:00 Must be 12:24:46 it makes so much sense now 12:26:20 i feel that this thing that came up when i googled something from that article may also be relevant to this channel http://www.gadflyonline.com/10-29-01/comm-introverts.html 12:27:08 (it has finns _and_ introverts. wait, i'm being redundant.) 12:42:54 also jews. 12:43:50 finnish jews. 12:44:57 Finnish Jews in the USA 12:45:42 I sometimes think I don't fit into the boxes with regards to the vertiness 12:45:57 But then I realise I'm really extroverted, I just don't get invited to stuff 12:52:50 mhm 12:56:48 And also I nap when I am bored 13:00:13 -!- boily has joined. 13:00:35 good humid morning! 13:01:09 Hi 13:01:44 Humidity in Hexham was over 50% this morning 13:06:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:08:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:13:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:15:26 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 13:16:51 Taneb: it's only up to 74% this morning. it's going to get worse until the thunderstorms. 13:18:34 -!- metasepia has joined. 13:19:57 Oh dear 13:22:33 you can spot who bicycle in the morning very easily. 13:24:12 * Fiora waves to Bike 13:32:12 * boily particles to Fiora 13:37:12 * itsy quarks to boily 13:37:33 * Fiora interacts weakly with boily 13:38:08 * Taneb observes it all 13:39:21 Noooo... everything changed now you observed :-( 13:44:24 -!- jsvine has joined. 13:51:06 there was that hypertrain video featured on boingboing some time ago (http://vimeo.com/68546202). the tune got stuck in my head, and yesteray I learned that you can jamendo the album: http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a98191/solar-storm 13:51:22 `olist (901) 13:51:24 olist (901): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly 13:52:22 901? 13:57:20 so, it appears as though I am buying shaving supplies by just choosing the first item listed in an Amazon search for it 13:57:31 whynot 13:57:46 G'racenotes. 13:57:53 wynaut is a pokemon 13:58:23 Good `olist 13:58:31 `olist (555) 13:58:33 olist (555): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly 13:58:38 I was going to write wynaut, but I figured that would be obvious 13:59:07 boily: Hmm? 13:59:13 hmm, don't they usually have shaving supplies in super markets? 13:59:24 lots of people shave 13:59:39 olsner, Gracenotes is stockpiling 13:59:48 no, I am trying to get fancy shaving supplies 13:59:56 The supermarkets are already empty of shaving equipment around there 14:00:01 like a badger brush and stuff. poor badgers. 14:00:09 olsner: Does Jesus? 14:00:11 shachaf: I am intrigued by the number. 14:00:22 Gracenotes used Stockpile! 14:00:28 Gracenotes stockpiled 1. 14:00:32 boily: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0901.html 14:00:38 shachaf: dunno, haven't asked him 14:00:56 shachaf: oh, right. I had forgot about the ootsness of the olist. 14:01:25 there's kind of a triple of paraphernelia: brush, mug, and soap 14:02:22 This reminds me, I kinda need a shave right now 14:03:23 Gracenotes: You should get non-badger things. 14:04:00 Probably. It is a bit weird. 14:04:13 People do wear wool, though. 14:08:09 I'm still on the electric side of the Shave. /r/wicked_edge is very tempting, and I bought a kit for my dad's birthday last week. 14:11:48 -!- neena has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:12:36 I'd say leather is a bit weirder than wool 14:16:19 boily: i went non-electric after my razor short circuited the other week 14:18:07 mainly because the local grocery shop, which i think is too small to be considered a supermarket, had non-electric ones. 14:26:37 Vatican offers 'time off purgatory' to followers of Pope Francis tweets 14:26:38 Papal court handling pardons for sins says contrite Catholics may win 'indulgences' by following World Youth Day on Twitter 14:26:57 2013, stupidest year yet 14:27:15 elliott: I dunno 14:27:25 2008 was pretty stupid 14:27:53 I guess they're partying like it's 1517? 14:28:33 someone should rig an arduino to measure ambient stupidity, and put realtime graphs on the intarwebs. 14:32:34 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:54:26 didn't that catholic church stop threatening their adherents with purgatory not too long ago? as matter of doctrine, or something? 14:55:55 "oh, we changed your minds" like 14:58:40 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 14:59:20 >implying religion isn't already at max stupidity to begin with 15:00:38 thanks for your contribution. 15:00:38 -!- itsy has left. 15:01:58 the issue is that early christians didn't think that far enough ahead; they invented hell to convert people, but had no doctrinal basis for subjugating those who were already converted 15:03:07 It's just like when an underground indie band signs with a major label... you lose that connection to your fans and end up threatening to torture them and send their dead relatives to hell 15:03:54 Scott Pilgrim was a great movie 15:33:07 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:53:51 -!- zzo38 has joined. 15:57:16 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:05:02 -!- Frooxius_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:10:39 looks like catholicism still has purgatory. 16:11:04 2005: "Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven." 16:13:56 Yes, it always has had, for a long time, I think. 16:19:11 -!- coppro has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:25:23 -!- Bike_ has joined. 16:25:45 -!- Bike_ has quit (Client Quit). 16:25:51 -!- Frooxius has joined. 16:26:00 -!- Bike_ has joined. 16:28:14 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:29:05 -!- coppro has joined. 16:29:40 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 16:29:44 i think they got rid of limbo but not purgatory 16:55:06 limbo is not the same as purgatory? 16:56:22 nah 16:56:43 Limbo is part of hell 17:06:06 the difference is that you can get out of purgatory 17:36:28 I do not believe any of that is sensible or necessary or even helpful. 17:37:58 The biggest greed is wanting an afterlife. 17:38:24 (Actually, the biggest greed is wanting an afterlife and taking everything with you, but I am ignoring this for the sake of this purpose.) 17:42:33 -!- conehead has joined. 17:52:29 Limbo is like Hell Lite where unbaptized people who didn't really do anything wrong go 17:52:32 I think 17:52:57 zzo38: what do you think of Pascal's Wager? 17:54:01 -!- neena has joined. 17:54:21 -!- Taneb has joined. 17:54:36 The biggest greed is wanting literally everything. 17:55:23 also http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/02/rokos-basilisk-wants-you.html 17:56:22 Minkowski space: Virgin Galactic makes a ski resort for dwarf cattle 17:58:23 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:02:27 -!- Bike has joined. 18:12:52 -!- sacje has joined. 18:13:10 kmc: oh, that's the backwards causality thing? fucking hilarious drama there, imo 18:13:37 oh, stross has a blog? :D 18:14:28 Taneb: what 18:14:30 yeah, it's pretty good 18:15:04 i'm kind of glad he can write about transhuman stuff and not be a "rationalist" dumbass 18:15:47 i wonder why he says neural tube specifically. what about the poor jellyfish 18:15:51 or sponges!! 18:15:54 or rocks 18:16:02 I have his Redshirts epub somewhere, now I need to find my e-reader and charge it. 18:16:29 jellyfishes are food. sponges are food. I think rocks are food, but I'm not sure. 18:16:49 well fish are food and they're chordates too. 18:17:30 have i brought up my Stross Rant in this channel 18:18:08 not that i've heard 18:18:29 ok so have you read any of his '20 minutes into the future'-type books 18:18:42 no spoilers plz 18:19:06 does the one with socialist crustaceans count i read that one 18:19:19 accelerando that's the title. 18:19:37 basically i tried a couple and i stopped after like a chapter because he tends to set them in edinburgh and he insists on writing scottish accents phonetically for some reason 18:19:53 it's just ridiculous 18:20:03 oh, yeah, you've mentioned that. 18:26:05 haha 18:26:08 kmc, stupid pun 18:26:28 i wonder what Bike has against "rationalists" (there are many valid answers) 18:27:28 kmc: oh, btw, how's P. E. Trudeau's existence going? 18:27:44 mostly being so far up their own rectums they make AI into a moralist wet dream and don't even work in the damn field. (also bayesianism ew) 18:27:49 boily: it exists, I've been there 18:28:10 and i mean have you read yudkosky. 18:28:19 like, at all. 18:29:03 coppro: the problem is, you're Ontarian. we need somebody uncanadian to objectively judge his existence. 18:31:20 boily: no really, I've been there 18:31:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al%E2%80%93Pierre_Elliott_Trudeau_International_Airport 18:31:38 oh, you're talking about the airport. 18:32:22 of course it exists. a very nice airport, I must say. and you have Montréal surrounding it! 18:32:37 it's just a shame that they changed its name from Dorval to PET. 18:33:22 I've also seen progeny of Trudea 18:33:26 *Trudeau 18:33:28 the person 18:33:57 been within three feet of his spawn 18:34:00 are you sure they were progeny? 18:34:06 yes 18:34:10 definitely. 18:34:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXARrMadTKk conveniently shared 18:34:33 his spawn was in a hurry 18:34:39 like he was some celebrity or something 18:38:59 what's wrong with bayesians 18:40:28 well, nothing, really, if you're not crazy like yudkowsky, but i'm more sympathetic to frequentism. 18:41:38 http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/606.html 18:42:58 (for example) 18:46:54 "The theme here is to construct some simple yet pointed examples where Bayesian inference goes wrong" 18:47:01 presumably you can do the same for frequentist statistics? 18:47:24 it's kind of absurd that people are expected to pick an ideological side between bayesian and frequentist and then apply that technique in 100% of cases 18:47:57 yeah 18:48:09 well, not expected really 18:48:22 just in "cares about obscure epistemology issue" land 18:48:40 kmc: I think Pascal's wager isn't really very good, because the things it considers isn't important and doesn't really prove anything anyways. There is also the reverse (which I have seen called "Rachel's Wager", so I will call it that), but that isn't very good either. 18:48:55 in my high school stats class probability was defined bayesianly and then we went ahead and used entirely frequentist methods and nobody cared because it works and it's high school 18:49:23 stuff like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindley's_paradox is still interesting though! 18:50:20 zzo38: what's the reverse? 18:51:09 kmc: That you will go to hell for acting stupid if you believe in God. 18:51:22 what do you mean? 18:51:31 Some people prefer it, but I think both ways are no good. 18:52:49 there's http://arxiv.org/abs/1006.3868 if you actually care i guess 18:52:53 also a billion other papers on it 18:52:55 philosophy~ 18:58:14 kmc: presumably "god loves atheists and hates believers, punishes appropriately, so you should not believe in him" 18:58:26 that one is kinda more contradictory than pascal's wager though :P 18:58:32 like "this sentence is true" vs. "this sentence is false" 19:07:36 what's contradictory about it 19:08:25 also i think i misrepresented myself, i don't care so much about the philosophy stuff (though obviously i pay some attention), what really annoys me is when people think bayesian methods are how human reason works, which seems all kinds of implausible to me for unphilosophical reasons 19:08:32 i'm just incoherent and cna't explain myself, woe 19:09:11 ah, there are other places in the world with exclamation marks in their names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westward_Ho! 19:10:29 lol nice etymology 19:22:38 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:28:21 ~metar CYUL 19:28:22 CYUL 171900Z 21016G21KT 15SM FEW045 FEW160 SCT240 33/24 A2998 RMK CU1AC1CI2 SLP152 DENSITY ALT 2000FT 19:29:36 we're at apocalypse minus 5400 seconds. 19:29:52 Cool 19:37:10 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 19:40:13 how do ya figure 19:41:39 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:48:10 boily??? 19:48:32 Phantom_Hoover: oh, he meant me. sorry. 19:49:04 I peeked at the TAF. +TSGRRA coming in at 5pm EDT (9pm UTC). 19:49:38 what's a tsgrra 19:50:01 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:50:34 thunderstorm, hail, rain. the + means “holy fungot of doom”. 19:53:23 static PrototypeClassName__: [u8, ..21] = ['W' as u8, 'i' as u8, 'n' as u8, 'd' as u8, 'o' as u8, 'w' as u8, 'P' as u8, 'r' as u8, 'o' as u8, 'x' as u8, 'y' as u8, 'P' as u8, 'r' as u8, 'o' as u8, 't' as u8, 'o' as u8, 't' as u8, 'y' as u8, 'p' as u8, 'e' as u8, 0 as u8]; 19:53:27 i love generated code 19:53:45 it's great working on open source because I am free to paste anything amusing at y'all 19:54:22 -!- sprocklem has joined. 19:55:26 kmc: does it do public static final void? 19:55:49 (it = the generator) 19:56:16 I've always wondered whether that's actually a human thing 19:56:27 ? 19:56:37 this is Rust not Java 19:56:47 kmc: for a second i thought that was bytecode. 19:56:53 haha 19:56:56 kmc: you don't have public? 19:57:02 or static? 19:57:04 or final? 19:57:05 I think having built-in code generator to a programming language would be useful things to have. Including both preprocessors and postprocessors. 19:57:09 we have 'pub', but I'm still not sure what you're getting at 19:57:12 What's the ..21, the length? 19:57:14 yes 19:57:22 rust syntax is like c++ except all the words are shorter 19:57:26 oh right 19:57:27 > length "WindowProxyPrototype\0" 19:57:27 21 19:57:42 this code is generated from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_IDL 19:57:51 kmc: the name of the class made me think java 19:58:05 it's nice that the Web platform is specified (partially) in a machine-readable format 19:58:50 The syntax of IDL files is fairly well documented in the ​Web IDL spec, but it is too formal to read, as Chromium project documentation states.[2] 19:59:08 lol. 19:59:25 the best part is the citation 20:02:46 kmc: does rust do protected inheritance 20:03:42 it doesn't really do inheritance at all 20:03:46 afaik 20:04:01 ah, I see 20:04:17 there's almost no subtyping either 20:04:18 I thought it did static polymorphism though? 20:04:23 sure 20:05:08 so what determines whether you can have static polymorphism for a given object? 20:05:18 interfaces? 20:05:30 is static polymorphism really a quality of "objects", i'm confused 20:06:16 i don't understan AnotherTest's question either 20:06:22 although I'm also trying to pay attention to something else 20:06:39 there are "traits", they are kind of like type classes or interfaces, you can implement them for data structures 20:06:48 not sure if we're talking about the same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_metaprogramming#Static_polymorphism 20:06:52 you can also have data structures with type parameters 20:07:15 I don't know of any equivalent to CRTP in Rust................... 20:07:51 Well, that would just be a way of achieving it 20:07:55 i was assuming parametric polymorphism 20:08:12 so yeah traits are resolved statically 20:08:26 because there's no subtyping, so no distinction between static and dynamic type 20:08:41 the exception being when you existentially quantify over a trait, which happens implicitly by using it as a type name 20:08:46 that is vtable-like, I think 20:09:00 is there any way to get proper general existential quant 20:09:05 not afaik 20:09:10 kmc this language is kind of gross 20:09:14 i'm sorry 20:09:16 not gonna argue with that 20:09:24 it's not haskell, if you want haskell you will be disappointed 20:09:28 it does some things haskell can't 20:09:55 sitting over here wanting haskell 20:10:00 welp 20:10:10 kmc: traits are kind of like mixins right? 20:10:14 i dunno 20:10:21 but just without the inheritance part 20:10:37 elliott you'll never work for Mozilla at this rate. 20:10:39 I don't really like explaining language features by answering questions of the form "they're kind of like X right?" where X is something I haven't used 20:10:52 i'm pretty sure if you're talking about mixins without inheritance you are not going to get any useful analogy at all 20:10:56 TBH, rust seems a bit weird 20:11:05 says the c++ dude 20:11:08 since like what does that even mean 20:11:09 every language is a bit weird dood 20:11:19 elliott: I have not claimed that C++ isn't ;) 20:11:22 snobol is the one true language that isn't weird at all, hth. 20:11:34 Rust is very unusual though, almost no other language tries to give you precise control over allocation and be memory-safe at the same time 20:11:35 ~duck snobol 20:11:36 SNOBOL (StriNg Oriented and symBOlic Language) is a series of computer programming languages developed between 1962 and 1967 at AT&T Bell Laboratories by David J. Farber, Ralph E. Griswold and Ivan P. Polonsky, culminating in SNOBOL4. 20:11:48 kmc: inb4 std::unique_ptr 20:12:13 yeah unique_ptr is a clear inspiration for Rust`s ~ pointers but the C++ version is not statically safe in all cases 20:12:21 C++, known for its memory safety 20:12:36 elliott: did you know GC is optional in C++11? 20:12:44 (note: optional, so nothing really changed) 20:12:47 like if I move out of a unique_ptr and then try to dereference it later in the same scope 20:12:49 what does that mean 20:12:55 Rust will give a compiler error in that situation 20:12:59 like GC is optional in C by some measure, isn't it 20:13:20 kmc: if you move out of a unique ptr, does this mean you are a pointer? 20:13:27 O_O 20:14:08 I don't really understand what you mean with "moving out of a unique_ptr" 20:14:24 do you mean getting the underlying pointer? 20:14:37 no I mean calling a function with a unique_ptr argument, thereby transferring ownership to that function 20:14:47 oh, no then you should use shared_ptr 20:14:57 (if you don't want to transfer ownership) 20:15:13 no i *do* want to transfer ownership, I just want the compiler to know that I've done so and complain later that I don't own the object anymore 20:15:20 this is what I mean by "unique_ptr is not memory safe" 20:15:23 ah, yes, indeed 20:15:30 that's a problem 20:15:47 and that's what Rust can do, by building unique ownership into the language deeply 20:17:28 can rust handle more complex ownership situations 20:17:35 like someone having read-only access and someone else having rw-access simultaneously 20:17:41 yes, ish 20:17:42 but suppose I want to transfer ownership based on some input, how would the compiler know what I'm doing? 20:17:53 mutability is tracked 20:18:17 so it's not really a compile time thingy or is it 20:18:20 it is 20:18:28 AnotherTest: good question, I think if you want to use an owned thing after an 'if', it has to be not moved out by either branch 20:18:33 similar to other type things 20:19:01 the other major innovation in Rust is that you can "borrow" pointers to owned things (or GC'd things, or things on the stack) without transferring ownership 20:19:07 and these borrowings are also statically checked for safety 20:20:15 with one exception: when you borrow a pointer to a mutable GC'd box, it needs to be frozen dynamically 20:20:44 because you don't know statically who else has access to such a box 20:21:27 so if you hand out a borrowed pointer to a mutable GC'd box, and later try to mutate it, that can fail at runtime 20:22:03 will the compiler check for conditions that can never be met? 20:22:09 what do you mean 20:22:21 eg. if I have if(true) else transferOwnership(); other things here 20:22:36 i don't think so 20:22:42 is that an actual concern 20:22:50 Bike: maybe, I don't know yet 20:23:32 not sure that rustc even does dead code elimination; mostly optimizations are handled by LLVM on the backend 20:23:42 i'd say if the compiler can figure a condition is always met it should probably warn you... 20:24:01 there are a lot of warnings, e.g. it will warn you if you declare something mutable and then don't mutate it 20:24:28 Bike: yeah, but for loops that's not always wanted 20:26:00 while(true) { transferOwnership(); break;} is it ok to use the pointer now? 20:26:31 hm and even with if 20:26:35 I don't get how it would work 20:27:03 so that would not work 20:27:18 (that is, you'd get a compile-time error) 20:27:23 I don't know the fine points of the checker; obviously it has to be conservative (like basically any static analysis) 20:27:23 right? 20:28:07 I find that static analysis has false positives sometimes 20:28:25 if (proveRiemannHypothesis()) { transferOwnership(); } 20:29:00 we don't expect the compiler to verify the riemann hypothesis in order to accept this code 20:29:15 but it won't accept the code 20:29:16 if (collatzConjectureHasACycle()) 20:29:18 it can just reject the code even if it's actually safe 20:29:33 i don't think this is an important criticism of the approach 20:29:38 a program that halts if the RH is true would be pretty interesting 20:30:20 halting if RH is false is a lot easier, right? 20:30:48 yeah, i thought this was like, the entire point of static analysis 20:30:49 kmc: you don't happen to have static if right? 20:30:52 it's in TAPL's introduction, man. 20:31:14 if you find that valid programs are rejected a lot *in practice* then that's a problem 20:31:20 (I doubt such a program exists beyond the obvious "any program that halts, assuming the RH is true") 20:31:20 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 20:31:38 -!- elliott has joined. 20:32:01 -!- elliott has changed nick to Guest41525. 20:32:07 kmc: well, if you had templates for example, this could become a problem 20:32:26 because then you'll have a lot of situations where code will always be true or false 20:32:27 Guest41525: what sense of "exists" you talkin 20:32:28 -!- Guest41525 has quit (Client Quit). 20:32:32 FINE 20:32:32 *conditions 20:32:35 -!- elliott_ has joined. 20:32:51 but yeah, no templates, no worries 20:32:54 -!- elliott_ has quit (Client Quit). 20:33:04 -!- elliott_ has joined. 20:33:06 elliott_: what sense of "exists" you talking ELLIOTT YOU PIECE OF SHIT YOU BETTER READ THE LOGS 20:33:11 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 20:33:19 hi 20:33:21 AnotherTest: there is polymorphism, it's implemented like templates 20:33:29 * boily slaps elliott like an old CRT TV that has circuit problems and gets bad signal 20:33:50 don't think you can get away with writing a polymorphic function which fails the ownership checks and then only instantiating it on things which, when constant folded, happen to be safe 20:34:05 kmc: I mean when you start comparing types 20:34:05 I'd be really interested to see a practical example of something like that 20:34:13 eg. type traits 20:34:18 and static if of course 20:34:33 kmc: this could be achieved with std::enable_if 20:35:01 but again, C++ doesn't do this, and I don't think it would ever be possible to add that to the current language 20:35:25 kmc: I'll see what I can come up with 20:35:37 wait, what are you trying to do? 20:35:49 something stupid in C++? 20:35:54 :'( 20:38:08 kmc: suppose you had a list of types and you wanted to pass ownership of a pointer to only a sublist of those types 20:38:49 or even to all of them 20:39:40 in that case, depending on what types someone puts in the list, the compiler might have to complain or not 20:40:03 but I don't think you can have lists of types in rust so there's no real problem 20:40:20 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 20:40:25 I'm not sure to what degree you can do the crazy C++ template tricks 20:40:33 Rust does have an actual macro system, too 20:40:37 how actual 20:41:00 don't know much about it, http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/tutorial-macros.html 20:41:30 first apocalyptic drops. it's starting. 20:51:26 -!- boily has quit (Quit: *blub*). 20:51:35 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:55:26 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 21:39:36 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:40:01 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:41:18 -!- Bike has joined. 21:41:46 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:43:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:51:58 -!- mnoqy has joined. 21:56:38 is it feasible to give a linux VM read access to an ext4 partition so it can read it (the host OS cannot) 21:56:51 it would be more convenient than using a live cd 21:58:26 yes 21:58:47 okay 21:58:58 kind of scary giving a VM direct access to the disk like that 21:59:05 feels good man 21:59:13 can virtualbox do it 21:59:27 one time I installed Windows to a spare partition, from a VM in this manner 21:59:31 and then rebooted into it 21:59:35 didn't work tho.............. 21:59:41 elliott: i don't know 21:59:45 qemu / kvm can 22:00:07 well, if I could run qemu/kvm I could read ext4 partitions too :P 22:00:15 it's pretty common in the Enterprise to have your VMs on actual partitions or LVM LVs instead of files 22:00:18 ah so that's the issue 22:00:25 your host is Windows? 22:00:29 isn't there a read-only ext driver for Windows 22:00:30 OS X... so close enough 22:00:41 I think that thing can only handle ext3 or whatever 22:00:42 oh 22:00:50 you can't mount ext4 as ext2/3? 22:00:55 you can mount ext3 as ext2 22:00:57 I think no if they use that superblock thing 22:01:02 or 22:01:04 not superblock 22:01:05 what is it called? 22:01:12 butt block 22:01:24 maybe extents... 22:01:26 uberblock? 22:01:36 anyway it would scare me too much, but I don't think it exists for OS X 22:01:50 oh maybe there is a paid one 22:02:02 or... FUSE 22:02:18 suddenly giving a VM access to my disk sounds much less scary than all this 22:02:48 you could also dd your ext4 partition to a file and then give the VM access to that 22:03:02 right 22:03:06 it is like a hundred gigabytes though 22:03:07 or maybe you can find some userspace ext4-parsing tools 22:03:11 I don't actually have enough space for that 22:03:14 "ext3 is partially forward compatible with ext4. That is, ext4 can be mounted as ext3 (using "ext3" as the filesystem type when mounting). However if the ext4 partition uses extents (a major new feature of ext4), then the ability to mount as ext3 is lost." 22:03:14 "victim-operated improvised explosive devices" 22:03:24 -!- intosh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:03:34 Fiora: okay yeah, extents must be what I was thinking of then 22:03:56 I don't actually know if the partition uses them but I don't really want to bother finding out as opposed to just doing something that'll work regardless... 22:03:56 (yay wikipedia) 22:04:08 Bike, wp sez that's a booby trap, not a suicide bomb... 22:04:11 I checked Wikipedia but didn't see that, go me 22:04:49 "Ext4 - Linux filesystem (when the configuration enables extents — the default in Linux since version 2.6.23)." 22:04:59 that's... I guess probably it won't work then >_< 22:05:06 Phantom__Hoover: it's a landmine 22:05:28 for a suicide bomb the attacker would die but not really be a victim. 22:05:52 wp also sez the pIRA was where the term was first applied so 'land mine' is probably too specific 22:06:14 -!- itsy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:08:19 -!- sprocklem has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:08:44 -!- sprocklem has joined. 22:15:31 horror-evading euphemistic terminology 22:16:26 hm needs something with an ironic acronym 22:16:31 *people-to-pieces converter 22:16:52 what if you trick someone into building a bomb 22:16:58 by telling them it's something else 22:17:44 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 22:17:51 this came up because i was reading about some kid in syria making strides in cheap peoplekilling 22:17:53 Which is easier, to trick someone to build a bomb if you tell them it is not a bomb, or to trick someone to build some thing that isn't a bomb if you tell them that it is a bomb? 22:17:54 rather depressing 22:18:07 made grenades for $3 22:27:04 hmm, according to my calculations this season is supposed to be from 2000, yet no-one has a cell phone 22:28:15 http://tobtu.com/decryptocat.php "oops" again. 22:30:36 season of what? 22:33:14 "Abu Yassin, a former network engineer who has emerged as one of Aleppo’s most prolific weapons manufacturers." this could be you, #esoteric 22:33:21 In what city is that where no-one has a cell phone? 22:35:05 pyongyang 22:35:23 Bike: geez, they are like, schizophrenic on exactly what kind of cryptography to use 22:35:39 http://www.amazon.com/Pyongyang-A-Journey-North-Korea/dp/1897299214 is pretty cool 22:35:46 How many people have cellphone in that city in 2000? 22:35:58 as is http://www.amazon.com/Jerusalem-Chronicles-Holy-Guy-Delisle/dp/1770460713/ref=sr_1_1 22:36:07 Bike: did something happen (beyond the last time that made the rounds, I can't tell if it changed?) 22:36:52 oh i didn't know it made rounds 22:38:03 well, it's updated as of the eleventh. 22:39:50 -!- Poolala has joined. 22:40:49 -!- Poolala has quit (Quit: Page closed). 22:41:07 wow, this guy worked in a network outfit in beirut and only made $25k... 22:42:27 what's the purchasing power adjustment? 22:43:27 i um, don't even know what that means. >_> 22:43:46 like, to adjust for cost of living differences or something? 22:43:53 yeah 22:44:10 hi kmc 22:44:15 hichaf 22:44:34 i really don't know. 22:44:52 it says it "meant he lived well" 22:45:51 caltraaaaain to san francisco 22:46:34 "When I ask about one odd-looking, 15-foot-long wooden trebuchet, which its proud creator is using to hurl 4-pound fragmentation bombs, he tells me he got the idea from the videogame Age of Empires. " 22:47:10 it feels weird to think that I am part of an entire generation that grew up on age of empires 2 22:47:29 yes. 22:47:31 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:47:59 i'm sitting here reading wired articles and another guy who played the same game decided to build trebuchets to blow things up. 22:48:19 like I've met all kinds of people who like all kinds of different things 22:48:39 but when I mention age of empires 2 22:48:45 everyone is like "oh that game!!!" and starts squeeing about it 22:48:50 kmc: are you going to bacat 22:48:50 and suddenly we have a thing in common 22:49:07 "After they use repeated test firings to determine the mortar’s range—usually around 2 kilometers—the rebels check Google Maps to pick a suitable spot that sits the same distance from their target. They transport the rocket there and then use a compass to aim it." christ 22:49:35 is that today 22:49:50 yes 22:50:05 i'm not 22:50:24 what the hecks, he tried building a robot... 22:51:35 -!- jsvine has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 22:51:41 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 22:52:08 -!- jsvine has joined. 22:54:38 eating cheetos with chopsticks is so civilized 22:54:42 -!- jsvine has quit (Client Quit). 22:55:05 cheetos... with... chopsticks? 22:55:14 kmc: not sure i can be civilized hth 22:57:22 Fiora: yeah so the dust doesn't get on your hands 22:57:38 that's.... that's actually kind of brilliant O_O 22:58:18 -!- sacje has joined. 22:58:24 i'm not much of a cheetos guy but iv always eaten them with spoons or forks or something 22:58:30 maybe i should learn chopsticks 22:58:41 chopsticks are pretty cool 22:58:58 i like how asian chefs use giant chopsticks to manipulate the food they're cooking 22:59:34 also factory workers applying bonding wires to integrated circuits http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2946 23:02:31 what the hell. 23:03:55 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:04:06 i've said this before but bunnie's blog is incredibly interesting 23:04:38 Chopsticks are pretty great for cheetos. 23:04:45 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=147 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1022 23:04:57 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2269 23:05:02 "China: Crowdsourced Tax Enforcement" 23:06:10 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:06:49 makes radio shack look pathetic 23:07:23 -!- sacje has joined. 23:09:07 that microsd article is really interesting 23:09:17 radio shack doesn't need any help looking pathetic 23:11:50 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 23:13:49 -!- TeruFSX has changed nick to tertu. 23:17:41 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:21:49 granted 23:22:05 although they are getting less pathetic, they have Arduinos and stuff now 23:27:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Guineas). 23:28:56 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:35:11 -!- carado has joined. 23:46:31 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).