< 1374019399 169474 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say the smallest one known right now is 100 µm² < 1374019669 716546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://bwiklund.github.io/ant-simulator/ < 1374019845 303852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, remember http://lpaste.net/52660 ?? < 1374019889 962155 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these ants are kind of dumb < 1374019891 877985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty trails though < 1374020827 353606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.astro.sunysb.edu/astro/seminars/archive/JS09/jcl27Feb09-1.pdf also for you~ < 1374020837 72422 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I don't have a non-pdf link) < 1374020962 91154 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1374020975 1143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now this is my kind of paper < 1374021087 227092 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2010-190 < 1374021096 401276 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they interview the guy to say how exciting life on Titan would be < 1374021112 691863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if anyone wouldn't be excited. well, you SHOULD be excited, says scientist < 1374021183 96784 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so bike likes alternative biochemistries < 1374021184 711487 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes notes
< 1374021232 697202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah when i was like 16 i read a nonfiction book on alternative biochemistries "the rest is history" < 1374021252 442285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm a fiction book on alternative biochemistries sounds better imo < 1374021262 209364 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've read those too < 1374021273 264725 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like schild's ladder, though i guess that's more "alternative chemistries" < 1374021284 975149 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you call Flux? < 1374021289 529216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative... bionuclearchemistries? < 1374021306 17446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ants are pretty < 1374021309 202380 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, if you take generalized chemistry to mean something with reactants and all < 1374021327 51579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call schild's quarkshit as "alternative chemistry", and the same with dragon's egg or whatever? < 1374021364 163446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also read one of the sector general books which is pretty fun < 1374021382 39749 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doctor, how can we cure lupus in a sapient methane cloud" < 1374021658 118640 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374022114 734958 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374022391 948558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1374022425 428442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sci-fi book series about a giant hospital that gets weird aliens, is all. < 1374022584 365313 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374023259 454964 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374023725 189552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "fwords" table, with some overlapping entries (such as "hello" and "lost"). What is the algorithm to efficiently encode a string by converting things into references to fwords table? < 1374023794 211079 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, you have "hel2" "2st" "2: lo" in the table...? < 1374023965 272513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, such things might be in the table, and then maybe you want to encode "hel2: lost" for example... < 1374024105 805445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374025043 242353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coyot.es/crossing/2013/07/09/20-amazing-true-facts-about-introverts-and-extroverts/ < 1374025104 996915 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374025167 990341 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a ganglion, extroverts!! < 1374025186 448007 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374025186 718559 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374025186 924087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374025223 600797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Introvert hair is made of keratin, the same proteinaceous material that makes up your horn if you’re a rhino." < 1374025231 145319 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I'm an introvert! take that < 1374025242 796722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is great < 1374025360 380825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves her display of keratinous fibers around
< 1374025460 68920 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: how do introverted rhinos deal < 1374025557 472254 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're horny. < 1374025558 547761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time. < 1374025653 214470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike this is a question that just came up between elliott and I < 1374025656 852492 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did hair variation come from < 1374025659 221497 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. < 1374025660 294651 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1374025660 948878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why do humans have such vastly different hairs < 1374025661 485337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1374025671 483561 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, fingernails are pretty much almost the same. < 1374025674 164427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god we have a biologist. < 1374025676 40871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1374025686 843091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what is it with hair specifically o_O < 1374025690 60009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brace yourself for my speech recognition questions fizzie < 1374025693 8992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know if you've noticed but some other external features vary a lot < 1374025695 961763 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, skin < 1374025716 305203 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so? but like everyone has pretty similar fingernails and those are the other keratin things < 1374025818 561942 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok more serious answer < 1374025825 357691 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the difference between different sorts of hairs is just the cross-section. < 1374025856 193211 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, like, the thickness? < 1374025861 588441 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the shape. < 1374025871 613751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hairs aren't round? < 1374025877 48478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight hair is round. < 1374025901 444418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, now i realize i don't know how hair is colored < 1374025914 993307 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing it's not through actually coloring keratin... < 1374025935 737649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's melanin isn't it...? or... < 1374025949 898793 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but what's it coloring < 1374025978 647584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All natural hair colors are the result of two types of hair pigment. Both of these pigments are melanin types, produced inside the hair follicle and packed into granules found in the fibers." < 1374025996 568748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so black hair is just a whole lot of eumelanin < 1374026015 981053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my point was going to be that ccoloring fingernails would be harder to implement. < 1374026053 80078 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean from my understanding fingernails are just a plate of keratin < 1374026055 799795 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be cool though. < 1374026057 140401 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hairs are more complicated < 1374026246 28626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, reading the wikipedia article < 1374026256 794016 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like our best scientific ideas are really wildly speculative @_@ < 1374026273 310797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, for the evolution of curly hair (mammalian hair is normally straight) < 1374026278 408103 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what, the prettiest nail colori- oh < 1374026287 43478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the evolution of straight hair again (after the diaspora of homo sapiens from africa) < 1374026287 884786 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit yeah, i'm a mutant! unexplainable by modern science! < 1374026297 532195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it would be pretty cool if people had different coloured nails < 1374026310 224670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair#Texture <-- here's your evolutionary biology!!! < 1374026315 159081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're transparent, you'd have to have a different color of skin there < 1374026317 841369 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i was getting at < 1374026357 397718 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While some might argue that, by this logic, humans should also express hairy shoulders given that these body parts would putatively be exposed to similar conditions," evolutionary biology is the best < 1374026363 328542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1374026367 698121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look Bike, if biology can't make them not transparent then that's biology's problem < 1374026369 304458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (412) < 1374026370 916001 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (412): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1374026375 778751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mnoqy smlist (412) < 1374026376 46564 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374026377 692057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1374026400 425950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, so they've mostly confirmed that east asian coarse/straight hair evolved within the past 65000 years < 1374026402 838773 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what we need to do is set up a eugenic breeding program to develop nail colorings, is what you're saying. < 1374026403 374168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so post-africa < 1374026419 600638 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly african genetics seem kind of scary to me < 1374026425 235577 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you have khoisians and pygmies < 1374026428 512915 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, super diverse! < 1374026441 637330 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the rest of us look like conformist punks. < 1374026486 790290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, "afro-textured hair" is actually the scientific term < 1374026518 356659 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IIn the 19th century, a distinguishing feature of Khoisan women was considered to be their tendency for steatopygia.[20] This belief contributed greatly to the European fascination with the so-called Hottentot Venus." 19th century human biology is hilarious < 1374026526 706085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what's the distinguishing trait of these people?" "hot asses" < 1374026655 179994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"these people have smaller heads, so they must be dumber than us, who are intelligent enough to decide that head size is a good indicator of intelligence" < 1374026687 828065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374026688 899749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biggest head is best head. < 1374026699 399630 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374026722 677782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically I guess that means the scientists doing that < 1374026724 20435 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were big-headed? < 1374026732 338704 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent human evolution is weird shit though, i mean look at lactase < 1374026734 752625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or denisova < 1374026739 345308 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is that. < 1374026835 339503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you genetics for the wonders of lactase < 1374026847 561116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a big fan of lactase < 1374026891 125469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm getting out of this wikipedia section on hair evolution is that we don't know shit and are throwing out tons of guesses. < 1374026917 4354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«However, inclinations towards deeming hair texture "adaptively trivial" may root in certain cultural value judgments more than objective logic. In this sense the possibility that hair texture may have played an adaptively significant role cannot be completely eliminated from consideration.» like < 1374026983 701085 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how darwin was like "maybe there wasn't anything to it at all" < 1374027069 347285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it would just be some nonsense about different kinds of hair evolving to stand out and ~attract mates~ or whatever < 1374027072 294641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing nobody has any idea. < 1374027130 399839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fiber optic UV thing is too amusing < 1374027176 264310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you're referring to but I just had a vision of fibre optic hair < 1374027187 54716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the future < 1374027295 876980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like great networking technology. < 1374027308 548653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing where they theorized straight hair conducted UV better for vitamin D (?!?) < 1374027444 329606 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374027505 760634 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1374027579 999288 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374027604 389103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there so many people who have my name? < 1374027613 479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Hardcore Pawn guy, a gay DJ, Christ... < 1374028017 353432 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374028092 264149 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's that too (re: nonsense), i'm just not quoting it. < 1374028347 375001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i don't think darwin talked about hair, they just meant that generally as genetic drift and so on. Pro Biologist Tip: if darwin's being mentioned outside of a historical context you can pretty much ignore the surrounding sentences < 1374028366 596737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah >_< < 1374028408 871625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may or may not recall that darwin's book on human evolution was so outdated and Victorian that I gave up on it < 1374029163 697870 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1374029837 315271 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374029908 541908 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2013-4788.html whooops < 1374030723 850577 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.141.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374031061 443616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow whoops < 1374031066 871024 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374031199 424008 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374031199 694621 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374031199 900645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374031285 848683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lactase is cool, lactase persistence is cooler :) < 1374031316 810397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in western society we think of "lactose intolerant" as a kind of minor disorder but really it's the rest of us who have the recent unusual mutation < 1374031388 852904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've tried to switch my vocab around. < 1374031417 36780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can take pills with lactase in them so that's cool < 1374031431 384260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the modern world: 10,000 problems and a pill for each one < 1374031496 392508 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how complicated the genetics of lactase persistence are < 1374031502 833863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it seems to vary exactly how intolerant people are < 1374031550 160873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there exists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_regulation_of_lactase_expression_in_mammals < 1374031566 630146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goodness < 1374031587 338204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 million base pairs? @_@ < 1374031631 285635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe unpersistent people have it but it isn't activated < 1374031645 130213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lactase is shareware < 1374031666 957000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we europeans have evolved a crack < 1374031671 18689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean their kids can still drink it, yeah. < 1374031680 719401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my mom was somewhat intolerant but like not completely so < 1374031690 739491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like she ate some cheese and stuff but never drank milk or anything < 1374031719 328877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1374031731 164816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend just eats cheese anyway and then takes it out on us by farting continuously < 1374031747 522711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :admirable plan < 1374031775 513364 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, explain? @_@ < 1374031779 303309 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my book on burma didn't really cover animal domestication, i guess that would help < 1374031790 672423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, dairy makes him fart < 1374031797 651397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was a common effect of lack of lactase < 1374031803 942863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash low levels of it whatever < 1374031804 148993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1374031810 150041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1374031851 469279 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez in retrospect this must have been why my mom thought it was a little odd that I never stopped drinking milk since for her that would have been normal < 1374031860 353428 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my dad always ate cereal with milk in the mornings < 1374031901 288730 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chinese and Japanese populations typically lose between 20 and 30 percent of their ability to digest lactose within three to four years of weaning. Some studies have found that most Japanese can consume 200 ml (8 fl oz) of milk without severe symptoms (Swagerty et al., 2002)." trying to imagine this study < 1374031929 825448 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's a huge pile of cheese. how much of this can you eat without vomiting" < 1374031945 948021 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1374031967 889245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably presented in the form of a game show < 1374032076 88997 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently lactase persistence is basically absent in native americans. i did not know this. < 1374032147 94851 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "Native Americans however, have a significantly higher rate of alcoholism than average; it is unclear why this is the case.[76] Other risk factors such as cultural environmental effects e.g. trauma have been proposed to explain the higher rates of alcoholism among Native Americans compared to alcoholism levels in caucasians.[77][78]" great < 1374032593 701146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374032684 179939 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374032790 79966 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution: make bacteria that don't eat lactose < 1374032838 650585 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only use that < 1374033216 20667 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, about dairy < 1374033227 609068 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Around 30 million years ago, the earth’s warm, moist climate became seasonally arid. This shift favored plants that could grow quickly and produce seeds to survive the dry period, and caused a great expansion of grasslands, which in the dry seasons became a sea of desiccated, fibrous stalks and leaves. < 1374033232 468750 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :So began the gradual decline of the horses and the expansion of the deer family, the ruminants, which evolved the ability to survive on dry grass. < 1374033235 515886 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] Ruminants produce milk copiously on feed that is otherwise useless to humans and that can be stockpiled as straw or silage." < 1374033236 317033 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374033240 876456 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fax < 1374033276 717983 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374033311 761940 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374033482 666024 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fax that are the basis of modern civilization? < 1374033535 515637 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more likely fun fax about agriculture than about dairying < 1374033544 704707 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are equally fun < 1374033594 736022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1374033610 661352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooooo < 1374033625 341512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that should be < 1374033626 221916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meoww < 1374034028 997764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading about plans to build a new airport for London in the Thames Estuary and one of the obstacles is that the estuary contains a sunken WW2 cargo ship with 1,400 tons of unexploded ordnance o_O < 1374034033 116965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery < 1374034038 210338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@____@ < 1374034038 415759 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1374034051 77752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know until today that 8" floppies existed < 1374034061 35303 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWII was a hell of a thing, eh < 1374034066 166118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1374034070 846547 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you can see the masts. < 1374034072 723299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ships like this going every which way all the time < 1374034077 810404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them blew up in ports < 1374034108 507205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that was back when they were actually *floppy*, right? < 1374034123 556976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 5.25" were floppy < 1374034128 954206 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christ, it has blockbuster bombs < 1374034139 448956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1374034151 153016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions < 1374034196 561910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading about halifax is rather harrowing. < 1374034213 506459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i didn't know the parthenon was destroyed in a modern war < 1374034282 954737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaking turks < 1374034299 647909 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaking turks. < 1374034313 966665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're rebuilding the Parthenon apparently < 1374034457 279214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster "An Army Air Forces pilot flying in the area reported that the fireball was 3 mi (4.8 km) in diameter" < 1374034483 235751 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the colosseum was destroyed in the great Spartan-Athenian war < 1374034537 187288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Most of the dead and injured were enlisted African-American sailors." FDR doesn't care about black people < 1374034560 988302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed "The Navy asked Congress to give each victim's family $5,000. Representative John E. Rankin (D-Mississippi) insisted the amount be reduced to $2,000 when he learned most of the dead were black men." < 1374034571 220240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :/ < 1374034572 833856 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374034573 133279 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Democrats < 1374034573 339226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :super classy < 1374034589 468067 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :democrats more like racistocrats. < 1374034901 601317 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. first comment on an article about hyperloop: "Not in my backyard!" < 1374034914 8400 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poe's law applicable here < 1374034971 323851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a minute run away from a train station < 1374034973 771606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's convenient. < 1374034982 384488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....did I just effectively tell esoteric where I live? < 1374035003 37381 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but we don't care < 1374035092 702940 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY#BANANA < 1374035141 440507 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the acronym that is < 1374035152 734112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAVE_People < 1374035249 836164 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I hadn't tried it before, but the new mediawiki wysiwyg editor is very slick < 1374035455 367575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1374035517 171256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's actually called the Hundred of Hoom Railway. < 1374035526 561642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no one gets the name right. < 1374035563 768658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1374035632 415389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one of those puns. < 1374035813 964051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help how do i prepare for job interview < 1374035956 125009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1374035958 462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind < 1374036252 3089 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374036299 809094 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374037315 508389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, a few different kinds < 1374037411 942972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374037638 370618 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374038039 47058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone suggested removing sizeof from C would make it to be Turing-complete. Would making it so that a byte has an infinite number of bits make it Turing-complete? < 1374038065 545261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define CHAR_BIT? < 1374038133 751475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose as (unsigned int)(-1) or something like that. What version of C is CHAR_BIT defined in? < 1374038182 250176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 and C99 and C11, afaik < 1374038198 148615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's all of them, I suppose. < 1374038221 579864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, what I suggested might work? Does it work? < 1374038350 479037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would (unsigned int)(-1) be? < 1374038350 747656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374038354 772479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1374038358 257479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374038366 218872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry my computer was crashed < 1374038389 607778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would (unsigned int)(-1) be? < 1374038482 786176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be all (infinte number of) bits set, I suppose. < 1374038505 138631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect unsigned int is required to be a rather more conventional type of integer < 1374038530 475751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C should be extended with p-adics, obv < 1374038617 798792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't even all of p-adics, though, but it is a special case of one < 1374038627 784684 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-adics. < 1374038642 330923 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty easy to do bitwise arithmetic on 'em, perfect for C < 1374038882 928104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That is what I am saying, how to make a C to be Turing-complete, if this would work. I don't really know that (unsigned int)(-1) would be the correct value for CHAR_BIT, though, in such case... it should be the logarithm but I don't know that there is even a such things < 1374038885 876488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess representing surds would be annoying. < 1374038916 465577 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you're talking about a turing complete C you can forget stuff like CHAR_BIT. < 1374039055 542272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to adding/removing stuff as few as possible; can it be done without forgetting stuff like CHAR_BIT? < 1374039082 278237 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about work something out and then add CHAR_BIT and shit like that back in. < 1374039125 843101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the whole point of talking about a turing complete C is to be pedantic. < 1374039131 681187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ignore CHAR_BIT? < 1374039142 171199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, i hate you. < 1374039159 906980 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you all seen the relevant HAKMEM entry? < 1374039175 931406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a relevant HAKMEM entry? What number is it? < 1374039282 892388 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :154 < 1374039448 815100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have seen that, although I figured out the conclusion about algebra independently too < 1374040071 66821 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1374040429 722499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes browser history autocomplete reminds me of the best things, like http://drilbert.tumblr.com/ < 1374040493 816886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/653a5a3738a955c2261e618720d3d2f5/tumblr_mov5xyyjR81sou3fto1_250.png ugh, i've been scooped. < 1374040765 24509 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare and contrast: http://25.media.tumblr.com/7ba349e5889b12f74f3298b49ec6be1a/tumblr_mlf8nwyrKD1sou3fto1_r1_500.png http://25.media.tumblr.com/5dc653403c87e50c45d88228d685d143/tumblr_mfnwniHK091rlynuno1_500.jpg < 1374040834 274032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374040875 157944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION practices blowing smoke (well, vapor) rings
< 1374040905 641089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw someone doing that today. < 1374040908 248395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@drymangobird thbe NSA is really good. but it could be bad? please dont write any opinions about it until ive solved this" satire on the media < 1374040914 447315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inside a car. < 1374040949 389755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you noticed that tumblr picture urls are really long and ugly hth < 1374040976 883907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tru. < 1374040979 334056 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374040995 846423 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tumblr is also really long and ugly. < 1374040998 26554 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying. < 1374041005 874149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know what they were smoke (or, vape) ing? < 1374041019 854129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just saw them through the car window. < 1374041027 126733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a second person went into the car and they drove off. < 1374041038 685950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a drug deal < 1374041050 966772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1374041074 327011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you smoke (or, vape) ing < 1374041754 343596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :watermelon-flavoured not-tobacco < 1374041757 823877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something containing nicotine < 1374041886 972653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : O, so that's all of them, I suppose. <--- you of all people I would expect to program in K&R C < 1374041929 565867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374042365 152519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you addicted to nicotine now :'( < 1374042496 238176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't think so < 1374042634 811147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374042698 271380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → afk
< 1374042986 48740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1374043025 98909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374044466 460667 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374044491 255929 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374045474 597165 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374048052 243285 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374049415 722362 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374050950 840477 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374051160 433271 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1374052027 770792 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374055758 77386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1374055805 734436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374056630 856602 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374057028 93835 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374057994 815889 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use C++, then you get a turing-complete language at compile time. < 1374057998 71249 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1374058173 885643 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.141.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374058379 162120 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374058577 280027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374058577 756247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1374058577 962293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060019 559871 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060019 802058 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374060019 802165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060061 634915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060345 643205 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374061324 612959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1374061392 581848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike yeah when i say "weird" i don't mean like, "uncommon", so much as "wow this does not seem like something i personally would think is okay" <-- i think the point of this clause is that it is very hard for the writer of the contract to ensure that no provision of it is illegal and unenforceable in _any_ jurisdiction, and it would be unreasonable for the whole contract to become void because of that. < 1374061392 851700 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374062077 752699 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374062439 656833 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374063571 963015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Otherwise identical twins who are Introvert and Extrovert must be kept separate and never allowed to come into physical contact." <-- oh so that's what's up with elliott and Taneb < 1374063600 901246 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be < 1374063886 701993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes so much sense now < 1374063980 925430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel that this thing that came up when i googled something from that article may also be relevant to this channel http://www.gadflyonline.com/10-29-01/comm-introverts.html < 1374064028 756078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has finns _and_ introverts. wait, i'm being redundant.) < 1374064974 353636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also jews. < 1374065030 707231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish jews. < 1374065097 141548 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish Jews in the USA < 1374065142 386014 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes think I don't fit into the boxes with regards to the vertiness < 1374065157 843956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I realise I'm really extroverted, I just don't get invited to stuff < 1374065570 152751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1374065808 628234 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I nap when I am bored < 1374066013 807461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374066035 548650 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good humid morning! < 1374066069 667219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1374066104 939492 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humidity in Hexham was over 50% this morning < 1374066389 736667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374066493 760919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374066839 731256 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374066926 945882 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374067011 332464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's only up to 74% this morning. it's going to get worse until the thunderstorms. < 1374067114 934619 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374067197 219988 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1374067353 618300 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can spot who bicycle in the morning very easily. < 1374067452 353597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves to Bike
< 1374067932 29538 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION particles to Fiora
< 1374068232 238423 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION quarks to boily
< 1374068253 415004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION interacts weakly with boily
< 1374068288 93851 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION observes it all
< 1374068361 994973 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo... everything changed now you observed :-( < 1374068664 372206 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374069066 757301 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that hypertrain video featured on boingboing some time ago (http://vimeo.com/68546202). the tune got stuck in my head, and yesteray I learned that you can jamendo the album: http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a98191/solar-storm < 1374069082 375038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (901) < 1374069084 522483 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (901): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1374069142 371525 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :901? < 1374069440 178673 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it appears as though I am buying shaving supplies by just choosing the first item listed in an Amazon search for it < 1374069451 699921 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :whynot < 1374069466 80849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'racenotes. < 1374069473 872011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wynaut is a pokemon < 1374069503 392541 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good `olist < 1374069511 744495 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (555) < 1374069513 799906 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (555): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1374069518 640080 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write wynaut, but I figured that would be obvious < 1374069547 855358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Hmm? < 1374069553 776470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, don't they usually have shaving supplies in super markets? < 1374069564 415479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people shave < 1374069579 333564 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Gracenotes is stockpiling < 1374069588 524481 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I am trying to get fancy shaving supplies < 1374069596 416343 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The supermarkets are already empty of shaving equipment around there < 1374069601 516194 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a badger brush and stuff. poor badgers. < 1374069609 395708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Does Jesus? < 1374069611 456158 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am intrigued by the number. < 1374069622 22344 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes used Stockpile! < 1374069628 100472 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes stockpiled 1. < 1374069632 435796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0901.html < 1374069638 176621 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno, haven't asked him < 1374069656 590903 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, right. I had forgot about the ootsness of the olist. < 1374069685 514359 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's kind of a triple of paraphernelia: brush, mug, and soap < 1374069742 700720 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me, I kinda need a shave right now < 1374069803 563083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: You should get non-badger things. < 1374069840 744912 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. It is a bit weird. < 1374069853 954922 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :People do wear wool, though. < 1374070089 771963 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on the electric side of the Shave. /r/wicked_edge is very tempting, and I bought a kit for my dad's birthday last week. < 1374070308 647887 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1374070356 701692 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say leather is a bit weirder than wool < 1374070579 884054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i went non-electric after my razor short circuited the other week < 1374070687 700905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because the local grocery shop, which i think is too small to be considered a supermarket, had non-electric ones. < 1374071197 998705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vatican offers 'time off purgatory' to followers of Pope Francis tweets < 1374071198 243042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papal court handling pardons for sins says contrite Catholics may win 'indulgences' by following World Youth Day on Twitter < 1374071217 431087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013, stupidest year yet < 1374071235 974048 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I dunno < 1374071245 223935 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 was pretty stupid < 1374071273 784402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're partying like it's 1517? < 1374071313 553575 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should rig an arduino to measure ambient stupidity, and put realtime graphs on the intarwebs. < 1374071554 312409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1374072866 533550 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't that catholic church stop threatening their adherents with purgatory not too long ago? as matter of doctrine, or something? < 1374072955 72679 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, we changed your minds" like < 1374073120 547407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374073160 701936 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>implying religion isn't already at max stupidity to begin with < 1374073238 80029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for your contribution. < 1374073238 348885 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1374073318 84073 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that early christians didn't think that far enough ahead; they invented hell to convert people, but had no doctrinal basis for subjugating those who were already converted < 1374073387 465127 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like when an underground indie band signs with a major label... you lose that connection to your fans and end up threatening to torture them and send their dead relatives to hell < 1374073434 389163 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scott Pilgrim was a great movie < 1374075187 558186 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374076431 588443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374076636 647438 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374077102 810776 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374077439 46043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like catholicism still has purgatory. < 1374077464 201854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005: "Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven." < 1374077636 127160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it always has had, for a long time, I think. < 1374077951 435666 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1374078323 574757 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078345 526155 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1374078351 950040 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078360 875917 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078494 489462 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374078545 229879 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078580 815598 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374078584 143028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they got rid of limbo but not purgatory < 1374080106 954543 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :limbo is not the same as purgatory? < 1374080182 191070 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1374080203 888810 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limbo is part of hell < 1374080766 757604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that you can get out of purgatory < 1374082588 682473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe any of that is sensible or necessary or even helpful. < 1374082678 306477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest greed is wanting an afterlife. < 1374082704 549596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, the biggest greed is wanting an afterlife and taking everything with you, but I am ignoring this for the sake of this purpose.) < 1374082953 310344 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1374083549 297481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limbo is like Hell Lite where unbaptized people who didn't really do anything wrong go < 1374083552 513663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1374083577 747696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of Pascal's Wager? < 1374083641 976637 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374083661 202988 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374083676 408420 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest greed is wanting literally everything. < 1374083723 423785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/02/rokos-basilisk-wants-you.html < 1374083782 785390 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minkowski space: Virgin Galactic makes a ski resort for dwarf cattle < 1374083903 963508 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374084147 466154 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374084772 345930 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374084790 575487 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, that's the backwards causality thing? fucking hilarious drama there, imo < 1374084817 696913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, stross has a blog? :D < 1374084868 862427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what < 1374084870 741691 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's pretty good < 1374084904 247886 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of glad he can write about transhuman stuff and not be a "rationalist" dumbass < 1374084947 89764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why he says neural tube specifically. what about the poor jellyfish < 1374084951 573543 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sponges!! < 1374084954 327342 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rocks < 1374084962 111950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have his Redshirts epub somewhere, now I need to find my e-reader and charge it. < 1374084989 71759 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jellyfishes are food. sponges are food. I think rocks are food, but I'm not sure. < 1374085009 189713 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fish are food and they're chordates too. < 1374085050 964673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i brought up my Stross Rant in this channel < 1374085088 576790 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've heard < 1374085109 939001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so have you read any of his '20 minutes into the future'-type books < 1374085122 118821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spoilers plz < 1374085146 337474 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the one with socialist crustaceans count i read that one < 1374085159 569364 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :accelerando that's the title. < 1374085177 602720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i tried a couple and i stopped after like a chapter because he tends to set them in edinburgh and he insists on writing scottish accents phonetically for some reason < 1374085193 31530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ridiculous < 1374085203 796890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, you've mentioned that. < 1374085565 756678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1374085568 182168 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, stupid pun < 1374085588 476726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what Bike has against "rationalists" (there are many valid answers) < 1374085648 458468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, btw, how's P. E. Trudeau's existence going? < 1374085664 11501 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly being so far up their own rectums they make AI into a moralist wet dream and don't even work in the damn field. (also bayesianism ew) < 1374085669 947012 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it exists, I've been there < 1374085690 539288 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean have you read yudkosky. < 1374085699 525377 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, at all. < 1374085743 306468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the problem is, you're Ontarian. we need somebody uncanadian to objectively judge his existence. < 1374085880 70158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no really, I've been there < 1374085880 606850 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al%E2%80%93Pierre_Elliott_Trudeau_International_Airport < 1374085898 87707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about the airport. < 1374085942 183408 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it exists. a very nice airport, I must say. and you have Montréal surrounding it! < 1374085957 335390 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a shame that they changed its name from Dorval to PET. < 1374086002 39175 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also seen progeny of Trudea < 1374086006 915250 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Trudeau < 1374086008 300214 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person < 1374086037 282660 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :been within three feet of his spawn < 1374086040 500271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure they were progeny? < 1374086046 135694 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374086050 903700 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely. < 1374086068 573601 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXARrMadTKk conveniently shared < 1374086073 935716 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :his spawn was in a hurry < 1374086079 66590 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he was some celebrity or something < 1374086339 598325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with bayesians < 1374086428 651457 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nothing, really, if you're not crazy like yudkowsky, but i'm more sympathetic to frequentism. < 1374086498 571706 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/606.html < 1374086578 915340 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example) < 1374086814 477568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The theme here is to construct some simple yet pointed examples where Bayesian inference goes wrong" < 1374086821 360234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can do the same for frequentist statistics? < 1374086844 567707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of absurd that people are expected to pick an ideological side between bayesian and frequentist and then apply that technique in 100% of cases < 1374086877 200771 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374086889 402236 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not expected really < 1374086902 146073 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in "cares about obscure epistemology issue" land < 1374086920 902354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think Pascal's wager isn't really very good, because the things it considers isn't important and doesn't really prove anything anyways. There is also the reverse (which I have seen called "Rachel's Wager", so I will call it that), but that isn't very good either. < 1374086935 802419 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my high school stats class probability was defined bayesianly and then we went ahead and used entirely frequentist methods and nobody cared because it works and it's high school < 1374086963 854878 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindley's_paradox is still interesting though! < 1374087020 653290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's the reverse? < 1374087069 960561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That you will go to hell for acting stupid if you believe in God. < 1374087082 222665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1374087091 587255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer it, but I think both ways are no good. < 1374087169 311583 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's http://arxiv.org/abs/1006.3868 if you actually care i guess < 1374087173 637408 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a billion other papers on it < 1374087175 515941 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophy~ < 1374087494 497488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: presumably "god loves atheists and hates believers, punishes appropriately, so you should not believe in him" < 1374087506 808761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is kinda more contradictory than pascal's wager though :P < 1374087512 1939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "this sentence is true" vs. "this sentence is false" < 1374088056 237278 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's contradictory about it < 1374088105 518843 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i misrepresented myself, i don't care so much about the philosophy stuff (though obviously i pay some attention), what really annoys me is when people think bayesian methods are how human reason works, which seems all kinds of implausible to me for unphilosophical reasons < 1374088112 570803 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just incoherent and cna't explain myself, woe < 1374088151 718985 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there are other places in the world with exclamation marks in their names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westward_Ho! < 1374088229 988821 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice etymology < 1374088958 695642 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1374089301 341546 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1374089302 356547 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 171900Z 21016G21KT 15SM FEW045 FEW160 SCT240 33/24 A2998 RMK CU1AC1CI2 SLP152 DENSITY ALT 2000FT < 1374089376 973826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're at apocalypse minus 5400 seconds. < 1374089392 254964 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1374089830 54026 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374090013 228868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do ya figure < 1374090099 641244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374090490 760977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily??? < 1374090512 996651 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, he meant me. sorry. < 1374090544 692041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I peeked at the TAF. +TSGRRA coming in at 5pm EDT (9pm UTC). < 1374090578 849118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a tsgrra < 1374090601 979720 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374090634 339630 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderstorm, hail, rain. the + means “holy fungot of doom”. < 1374090803 271194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :static PrototypeClassName__: [u8, ..21] = ['W' as u8, 'i' as u8, 'n' as u8, 'd' as u8, 'o' as u8, 'w' as u8, 'P' as u8, 'r' as u8, 'o' as u8, 'x' as u8, 'y' as u8, 'P' as u8, 'r' as u8, 'o' as u8, 't' as u8, 'o' as u8, 't' as u8, 'y' as u8, 'p' as u8, 'e' as u8, 0 as u8]; < 1374090807 331201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love generated code < 1374090825 315527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great working on open source because I am free to paste anything amusing at y'all < 1374090862 979610 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374090926 437979 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it do public static final void? < 1374090949 700274 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it = the generator) < 1374090976 277114 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wondered whether that's actually a human thing < 1374090987 483986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1374090997 9394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is Rust not Java < 1374091007 761946 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: for a second i thought that was bytecode. < 1374091013 734596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1374091016 219418 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't have public? < 1374091022 941678 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or static? < 1374091024 833630 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or final? < 1374091025 641718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having built-in code generator to a programming language would be useful things to have. Including both preprocessors and postprocessors. < 1374091029 428384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have 'pub', but I'm still not sure what you're getting at < 1374091032 114926 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the ..21, the length? < 1374091034 263295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374091042 306154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust syntax is like c++ except all the words are shorter < 1374091046 374750 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1374091047 18375 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "WindowProxyPrototype\0" < 1374091047 712563 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21 < 1374091062 474922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is generated from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_IDL < 1374091071 925584 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the name of the class made me think java < 1374091085 714772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice that the Web platform is specified (partially) in a machine-readable format < 1374091130 606246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax of IDL files is fairly well documented in the ​Web IDL spec, but it is too formal to read, as Chromium project documentation states.[2] < 1374091148 32035 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1374091165 504581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is the citation < 1374091366 596751 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does rust do protected inheritance < 1374091422 952975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really do inheritance at all < 1374091426 172120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1374091441 578289 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1374091457 316374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's almost no subtyping either < 1374091458 154676 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it did static polymorphism though? < 1374091463 596469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1374091508 283952 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what determines whether you can have static polymorphism for a given object? < 1374091518 823963 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :interfaces? < 1374091530 398195 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is static polymorphism really a quality of "objects", i'm confused < 1374091576 545720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understan AnotherTest's question either < 1374091582 300728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm also trying to pay attention to something else < 1374091599 563641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are "traits", they are kind of like type classes or interfaces, you can implement them for data structures < 1374091608 749645 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if we're talking about the same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_metaprogramming#Static_polymorphism < 1374091612 271834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also have data structures with type parameters < 1374091635 814028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any equivalent to CRTP in Rust................... < 1374091671 521722 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that would just be a way of achieving it < 1374091675 275917 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming parametric polymorphism < 1374091692 915147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah traits are resolved statically < 1374091706 411957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no subtyping, so no distinction between static and dynamic type < 1374091721 853345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exception being when you existentially quantify over a trait, which happens implicitly by using it as a type name < 1374091726 678947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is vtable-like, I think < 1374091740 663326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to get proper general existential quant < 1374091745 263182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik < 1374091750 699442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc this language is kind of gross < 1374091754 761744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry < 1374091756 906214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gonna argue with that < 1374091764 555075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not haskell, if you want haskell you will be disappointed < 1374091768 879230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does some things haskell can't < 1374091795 732113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting over here wanting haskell < 1374091800 750869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1374091810 485131 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: traits are kind of like mixins right? < 1374091814 26970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1374091821 38531 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just without the inheritance part < 1374091837 21010 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott you'll never work for Mozilla at this rate. < 1374091839 480645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like explaining language features by answering questions of the form "they're kind of like X right?" where X is something I haven't used < 1374091852 729302 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure if you're talking about mixins without inheritance you are not going to get any useful analogy at all < 1374091856 213554 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, rust seems a bit weird < 1374091865 105409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :says the c++ dude < 1374091868 227479 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like what does that even mean < 1374091869 30807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every language is a bit weird dood < 1374091879 702897 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have not claimed that C++ isn't ;) < 1374091882 26606 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snobol is the one true language that isn't weird at all, hth. < 1374091894 278047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is very unusual though, almost no other language tries to give you precise control over allocation and be memory-safe at the same time < 1374091895 193233 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck snobol < 1374091896 480523 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOBOL (StriNg Oriented and symBOlic Language) is a series of computer programming languages developed between 1962 and 1967 at AT&T Bell Laboratories by David J. Farber, Ralph E. Griswold and Ivan P. Polonsky, culminating in SNOBOL4. < 1374091908 909115 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: inb4 std::unique_ptr < 1374091933 760074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah unique_ptr is a clear inspiration for Rust`s ~ pointers but the C++ version is not statically safe in all cases < 1374091941 273438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++, known for its memory safety < 1374091956 648952 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know GC is optional in C++11? < 1374091964 740099 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: optional, so nothing really changed) < 1374091967 962608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if I move out of a unique_ptr and then try to dereference it later in the same scope < 1374091969 838195 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1374091975 548627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust will give a compiler error in that situation < 1374091979 155531 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like GC is optional in C by some measure, isn't it < 1374092000 514876 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you move out of a unique ptr, does this mean you are a pointer? < 1374092007 667027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1374092048 791212 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand what you mean with "moving out of a unique_ptr" < 1374092064 580479 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean getting the underlying pointer? < 1374092077 467153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean calling a function with a unique_ptr argument, thereby transferring ownership to that function < 1374092087 735037 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no then you should use shared_ptr < 1374092097 227432 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't want to transfer ownership) < 1374092113 600731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i *do* want to transfer ownership, I just want the compiler to know that I've done so and complain later that I don't own the object anymore < 1374092120 680159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I mean by "unique_ptr is not memory safe" < 1374092123 99018 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, indeed < 1374092130 617058 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem < 1374092147 737563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what Rust can do, by building unique ownership into the language deeply < 1374092248 214217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can rust handle more complex ownership situations < 1374092255 224390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like someone having read-only access and someone else having rw-access simultaneously < 1374092261 206504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ish < 1374092262 279967 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suppose I want to transfer ownership based on some input, how would the compiler know what I'm doing? < 1374092273 432619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutability is tracked < 1374092297 36897 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really a compile time thingy or is it < 1374092300 521922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1374092308 535527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: good question, I think if you want to use an owned thing after an 'if', it has to be not moved out by either branch < 1374092313 896969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to other type things < 1374092341 215512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other major innovation in Rust is that you can "borrow" pointers to owned things (or GC'd things, or things on the stack) without transferring ownership < 1374092347 718381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these borrowings are also statically checked for safety < 1374092415 941808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one exception: when you borrow a pointer to a mutable GC'd box, it needs to be frozen dynamically < 1374092444 177283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't know statically who else has access to such a box < 1374092487 523480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you hand out a borrowed pointer to a mutable GC'd box, and later try to mutate it, that can fail at runtime < 1374092523 626670 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the compiler check for conditions that can never be met? < 1374092529 528430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1374092541 348323 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. if I have if(true) else transferOwnership(); other things here < 1374092556 95616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1374092562 856164 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an actual concern < 1374092570 958310 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maybe, I don't know yet < 1374092612 537361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure that rustc even does dead code elimination; mostly optimizations are handled by LLVM on the backend < 1374092622 52481 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say if the compiler can figure a condition is always met it should probably warn you... < 1374092641 856451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of warnings, e.g. it will warn you if you declare something mutable and then don't mutate it < 1374092668 271174 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, but for loops that's not always wanted < 1374092760 423841 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(true) { transferOwnership(); break;} is it ok to use the pointer now? < 1374092791 591273 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and even with if < 1374092795 919507 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how it would work < 1374092823 602322 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would not work < 1374092838 402509 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, you'd get a compile-time error) < 1374092843 280034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the fine points of the checker; obviously it has to be conservative (like basically any static analysis) < 1374092843 485549 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1374092887 533484 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that static analysis has false positives sometimes < 1374092905 823045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (proveRiemannHypothesis()) { transferOwnership(); } < 1374092940 252152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't expect the compiler to verify the riemann hypothesis in order to accept this code < 1374092955 204884 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't accept the code < 1374092956 7518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (collatzConjectureHasACycle()) < 1374092958 157143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can just reject the code even if it's actually safe < 1374092973 973696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is an important criticism of the approach < 1374092978 260956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that halts if the RH is true would be pretty interesting < 1374093020 579530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :halting if RH is false is a lot easier, right? < 1374093048 176680 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i thought this was like, the entire point of static analysis < 1374093049 250318 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't happen to have static if right? < 1374093052 466167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in TAPL's introduction, man. < 1374093074 673469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find that valid programs are rejected a lot *in practice* then that's a problem < 1374093080 232683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I doubt such a program exists beyond the obvious "any program that halts, assuming the RH is true") < 1374093080 438820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1374093098 356158 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374093121 600652 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest41525 < 1374093127 346996 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, if you had templates for example, this could become a problem < 1374093146 193475 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you'll have a lot of situations where code will always be true or false < 1374093147 266509 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest41525: what sense of "exists" you talkin < 1374093148 878799 :Guest41525!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1374093152 100506 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1374093152 368150 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conditions < 1374093155 144872 :elliott_!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374093171 365024 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, no templates, no worries < 1374093174 620400 :elliott_!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1374093184 82209 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1374093186 2911 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what sense of "exists" you talking ELLIOTT YOU PIECE OF SHIT YOU BETTER READ THE LOGS < 1374093191 995597 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1374093199 433363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1374093201 843142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: there is polymorphism, it's implemented like templates < 1374093209 854464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps elliott like an old CRT TV that has circuit problems and gets bad signal
< 1374093230 622626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think you can get away with writing a polymorphic function which fails the ownership checks and then only instantiating it on things which, when constant folded, happen to be safe < 1374093245 378506 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I mean when you start comparing types < 1374093245 646294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be really interested to see a practical example of something like that < 1374093253 373014 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. type traits < 1374093258 264402 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and static if of course < 1374093273 624207 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this could be achieved with std::enable_if < 1374093301 995858 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, C++ doesn't do this, and I don't think it would ever be possible to add that to the current language < 1374093325 354095 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'll see what I can come up with < 1374093337 912970 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what are you trying to do? < 1374093349 15098 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :something stupid in C++? < 1374093354 914059 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1374093488 437946 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: suppose you had a list of types and you wanted to pass ownership of a pointer to only a sublist of those types < 1374093529 296309 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even to all of them < 1374093580 413916 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, depending on what types someone puts in the list, the compiler might have to complain or not < 1374093603 885632 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you can have lists of types in rust so there's no real problem < 1374093620 779154 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374093625 959209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure to what degree you can do the crazy C++ template tricks < 1374093633 77966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust does have an actual macro system, too < 1374093637 676770 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how actual < 1374093660 520139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know much about it, http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/tutorial-macros.html < 1374093690 170522 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first apocalyptic drops. it's starting. < 1374094286 660096 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: *blub* < 1374094295 388501 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374094526 720138 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374097176 225407 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374097201 580213 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374097278 217839 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374097306 413457 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374097396 558170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374097918 427601 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374098198 350894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it feasible to give a linux VM read access to an ext4 partition so it can read it (the host OS cannot) < 1374098211 394317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more convenient than using a live cd < 1374098306 90602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374098327 446599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1374098338 941524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of scary giving a VM direct access to the disk like that < 1374098345 968150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels good man < 1374098353 875505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can virtualbox do it < 1374098367 358385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I installed Windows to a spare partition, from a VM in this manner < 1374098371 919965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then rebooted into it < 1374098375 771150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work tho.............. < 1374098381 197866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know < 1374098385 797109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu / kvm can < 1374098407 404258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I could run qemu/kvm I could read ext4 partitions too :P < 1374098415 2916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty common in the Enterprise to have your VMs on actual partitions or LVM LVs instead of files < 1374098418 11740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so that's the issue < 1374098425 28688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your host is Windows? < 1374098429 356260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a read-only ext driver for Windows < 1374098430 696394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X... so close enough < 1374098441 214901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that thing can only handle ext3 or whatever < 1374098442 281464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1374098450 110082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't mount ext4 as ext2/3? < 1374098455 208994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mount ext3 as ext2 < 1374098457 626225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think no if they use that superblock thing < 1374098462 794222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1374098464 133400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not superblock < 1374098465 850059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it called? < 1374098472 780249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt block < 1374098484 141793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe extents... < 1374098486 16949 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberblock? < 1374098496 6007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would scare me too much, but I don't think it exists for OS X < 1374098510 935965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe there is a paid one < 1374098522 744629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... FUSE < 1374098538 294976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly giving a VM access to my disk sounds much less scary than all this < 1374098568 886545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also dd your ext4 partition to a file and then give the VM access to that < 1374098582 216333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1374098586 146934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a hundred gigabytes though < 1374098587 755927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can find some userspace ext4-parsing tools < 1374098591 509398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually have enough space for that < 1374098594 192383 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ext3 is partially forward compatible with ext4. That is, ext4 can be mounted as ext3 (using "ext3" as the filesystem type when mounting). However if the ext4 partition uses extents (a major new feature of ext4), then the ability to mount as ext3 is lost." < 1374098594 498505 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"victim-operated improvised explosive devices" < 1374098604 421060 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374098614 121721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: okay yeah, extents must be what I was thinking of then < 1374098636 732697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know if the partition uses them but I don't really want to bother finding out as opposed to just doing something that'll work regardless... < 1374098636 938740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay wikipedia) < 1374098648 293327 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, wp sez that's a booby trap, not a suicide bomb... < 1374098651 49731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked Wikipedia but didn't see that, go me < 1374098689 30880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ext4 - Linux filesystem (when the configuration enables extents — the default in Linux since version 2.6.23)." < 1374098699 947398 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... I guess probably it won't work then >_< < 1374098706 483164 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it's a landmine < 1374098728 40970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a suicide bomb the attacker would die but not really be a victim. < 1374098752 591393 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp also sez the pIRA was where the term was first applied so 'land mine' is probably too specific < 1374098774 915080 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374098899 136116 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374098924 27495 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374099331 282381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horror-evading euphemistic terminology < 1374099386 593566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm needs something with an ironic acronym < 1374099391 453968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*people-to-pieces converter < 1374099412 448808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you trick someone into building a bomb < 1374099418 431687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by telling them it's something else < 1374099464 523649 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374099471 26493 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this came up because i was reading about some kid in syria making strides in cheap peoplekilling < 1374099473 771155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is easier, to trick someone to build a bomb if you tell them it is not a bomb, or to trick someone to build some thing that isn't a bomb if you tell them that it is a bomb? < 1374099474 37217 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather depressing < 1374099487 838578 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :made grenades for $3 < 1374100024 291258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to my calculations this season is supposed to be from 2000, yet no-one has a cell phone < 1374100095 434648 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tobtu.com/decryptocat.php "oops" again. < 1374100236 204684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : season of what? < 1374100394 309347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abu Yassin, a former network engineer who has emerged as one of Aleppo’s most prolific weapons manufacturers." this could be you, #esoteric < 1374100401 40129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what city is that where no-one has a cell phone? < 1374100505 560141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyongyang < 1374100523 55601 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: geez, they are like, schizophrenic on exactly what kind of cryptography to use < 1374100539 601769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Pyongyang-A-Journey-North-Korea/dp/1897299214 is pretty cool < 1374100546 421871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people have cellphone in that city in 2000? < 1374100558 617812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is http://www.amazon.com/Jerusalem-Chronicles-Holy-Guy-Delisle/dp/1770460713/ref=sr_1_1 < 1374100567 325544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did something happen (beyond the last time that made the rounds, I can't tell if it changed?) < 1374100612 885625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't know it made rounds < 1374100683 836642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's updated as of the eleventh. < 1374100790 711724 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374100849 186015 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1374100867 465134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this guy worked in a network outfit in beirut and only made $25k... < 1374100947 160725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purchasing power adjustment? < 1374101007 501685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i um, don't even know what that means. >_> < 1374101026 759545 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, to adjust for cost of living differences or something? < 1374101033 499342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374101050 828383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1374101055 658908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1374101074 21061 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't know. < 1374101092 513927 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it "meant he lived well" < 1374101151 626529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :caltraaaaain to san francisco < 1374101194 496003 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When I ask about one odd-looking, 15-foot-long wooden trebuchet, which its proud creator is using to hurl 4-pound fragmentation bombs, he tells me he got the idea from the videogame Age of Empires. " < 1374101230 235109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels weird to think that I am part of an entire generation that grew up on age of empires 2 < 1374101249 487087 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1374101251 588112 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374101279 278975 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sitting here reading wired articles and another guy who played the same game decided to build trebuchets to blow things up. < 1374101299 448247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I've met all kinds of people who like all kinds of different things < 1374101319 107802 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I mention age of empires 2 < 1374101325 409896 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is like "oh that game!!!" and starts squeeing about it < 1374101330 621407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you going to bacat < 1374101330 891752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly we have a thing in common < 1374101347 445897 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After they use repeated test firings to determine the mortar’s range—usually around 2 kilometers—the rebels check Google Maps to pick a suitable spot that sits the same distance from their target. They transport the rocket there and then use a compass to aim it." christ < 1374101375 672420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that today < 1374101390 761854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374101405 816989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1374101424 592025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hecks, he tried building a robot... < 1374101495 669509 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374101501 334233 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374101528 427985 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374101678 927826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating cheetos with chopsticks is so civilized < 1374101682 185754 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Client Quit < 1374101705 466597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheetos... with... chopsticks? < 1374101714 965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not sure i can be civilized hth < 1374101842 949965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah so the dust doesn't get on your hands < 1374101858 261986 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.... that's actually kind of brilliant O_O < 1374101898 870579 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374101904 271624 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not much of a cheetos guy but iv always eaten them with spoons or forks or something < 1374101910 471908 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should learn chopsticks < 1374101921 500517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chopsticks are pretty cool < 1374101938 484705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how asian chefs use giant chopsticks to manipulate the food they're cooking < 1374101974 564311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also factory workers applying bonding wires to integrated circuits http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2946 < 1374102151 226150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell. < 1374102235 652716 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374102246 155745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've said this before but bunnie's blog is incredibly interesting < 1374102278 410164 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chopsticks are pretty great for cheetos. < 1374102285 413515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=147 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1022 < 1374102297 781131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2269 < 1374102302 145702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"China: Crowdsourced Tax Enforcement" < 1374102370 214081 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374102409 724255 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes radio shack look pathetic < 1374102443 606070 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374102547 383507 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that microsd article is really interesting < 1374102557 331194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :radio shack doesn't need any help looking pathetic < 1374102710 226975 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-252-250.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374102829 215481 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-252-250.mpls.qwest.net NICK :tertu < 1374103061 195984 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374103309 946159 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted < 1374103325 76449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they are getting less pathetic, they have Arduinos and stuff now < 1374103653 36843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Guineas < 1374103736 612374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374104111 465294 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1374104791 569649 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer