00:01:45 Sgeo: have you played that game ? ''other top games''? I hear it's good 00:22:01 -!- Bike_ has joined. 00:24:19 -!- Bike_ has quit (Client Quit). 00:24:33 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:24:38 -!- Bike_ has joined. 00:25:50 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 00:43:39 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 00:54:24 Bike: "In totally unrelated news, Quantum Computing Since Democritus made Scientific American’s list of best summer books! I can’t think of a more appropriate honor, since if there’s any phrase that captures what QCSD is all about, “sizzling summer beach read” would be it." 00:54:30 aaronson is really great XD 00:54:59 cookin up search algorithms on the grill 00:56:29 I'm imagining a quantum computing romance now 00:56:35 like, romance novel 00:57:01 BQP wanted to union with BPP-path, but it was not to be 01:05:03 Disney cashes in with the film adaptation "Entangled" 01:07:26 ow. 01:24:55 -!- noooodl has joined. 01:26:34 hmm, I've come up with a conclusive proof why there will never be another stargate TV series 01:28:17 the premiere of each series has dialed one extra chevron, but there are no more left 01:32:49 Jafet: omg XD 01:34:54 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:42:22 Bike: so I'm home now 01:42:29 i believe you owe me a picture of elephants fisting each other 01:42:50 hey, hey, i only said fisting, not mutual fisting 01:42:59 ok fine jeez 01:42:59 http://media.tumblr.com/ecf88e222a33b3c867f1eabaf09bd45b/tumblr_inline_mpog8gvrjo1r577c9.png here you go though 01:43:02 way to get a guy's hopes up 01:43:17 I guess you could also call it "trunking" 01:43:21 if you hated yourself, i mean 01:43:50 that picture is not really that sexy 01:43:51 oh well 01:47:29 who are you to judge that 01:47:35 are you an elephant 01:47:46 i'm just speaking for myself here 01:47:55 i don't look like that 01:47:56 fyi 01:48:04 like which one? 01:48:07 also 01:48:17 `addquote Bike: so I'm home now i believe you owe me a picture of elephants fisting each other 01:48:21 1069) Bike: so I'm home now i believe you owe me a picture of elephants fisting each other 01:49:15 `quote 1068 01:49:16 1068) oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting [...] i meant elephant but you know what, ok. Bike: ... Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok plz and thx 01:49:22 the series 01:49:39 I love quote continuity 01:49:50 quotinuity 01:51:46 For your enjoyment: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=elephant+poop 01:52:23 thank but also, no thanks 01:52:26 *s 01:53:19 I wonder if there is feta cheese about 01:53:19 hey it's limerick o'clock 01:53:24 ion: write me a limerick plz thx 01:53:38 Gracenotes: About what? 01:53:44 about 01:54:50 a bout of feta cheese 01:54:53 http://youtu.be/6h5ZLo-GO9E http://youtu.be/A2y_LEbdEVE http://youtu.be/VbPdrqdXx0g 01:54:53 @wn bout 01:54:54 *** "bout" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 01:54:54 bout 01:54:54 n 1: (sports) a division during which one team is on the 01:54:54 offensive [syn: {turn}, {bout}, {round}] 01:54:54 2: a period of illness; "a bout of fever"; "a bout of 01:54:56 [5 @more lines] 01:55:11 i bet that continues with «feta cheese"; » 01:55:12 @more 01:55:12 depression" 01:55:12 3: a contest or fight (especially between boxers or wrestlers) 01:55:12 4: an occasion for excessive eating or drinking; "they went on a 01:55:12 bust that lasted three days" [syn: {bust}, {tear}, {binge}, 01:55:12 {bout}] 01:55:17 close enough 01:55:32 they went on a bout of feta cheese that lasted three days 01:56:10 A Boba Feta cheese 01:56:10 there is a cheese which is kind of like feta but not quite feta 01:56:20 it's called "bulgarian cheese" in hebrew 01:56:29 it is popular and delicious to eat it with watermelons 01:56:37 (and also other things) 01:57:36 woah I just started cooking a chicken tortilla thing with feta cheese 01:58:47 hmm i wonder whether you can find proper gvina bulgarit in san francisco 01:59:14 i think it is made from sheep's milk usually?? 02:03:24 *swats 02:03:24 I'm really struggling here to finish a limerick with shachaf as the primary rhyme. 02:03:34 it is not an easy feat >.> 02:03:35 wrong window 02:03:48 oerjan: what was the right window 02:03:54 can you split words 02:03:59 catch aff-irmative or something 02:04:06 > (text.flap) "oerjan" 02:04:07 shachaf: we can check out http://www.yelp.com/biz/samiramis-imports-san-francisco-2 02:04:09 uɐɾɹǝo 02:04:18 "They carry the Jericho garlic spread, which permits me to have a Zankou Chicken-like garlic experience." ++++++++ 02:04:21 I miss Zankou 02:04:26 Fiora: have you been to Zankou Chicken 02:05:51 they exist in southern california 02:05:52 I might have written myself into a corner 02:06:15 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:06:42 kmc: hm http://www.samiramisimport.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=122&category_id=36&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53 02:06:50 http://www.samiramisimport.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=123&category_id=36&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53 02:07:03 looks good 02:07:56 maybe we can get watermelon too!! 02:08:17 can't find hours on their site, Yelp says they'll be open until 20:00 on Saturday though 02:08:25 shachaf: you can get watermelon anywhere >_< 02:08:33 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:08:34 there were a bunch of smashed watermelons at Church & Duboce 02:08:34 yes 02:08:39 this seems to happen a lot here 02:08:46 but you can't get watermelon & bulgarian cheese anywhere 02:08:52 people drop or throw a full bag of groceries from a third story window (??) 02:08:53 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:08:58 anyway i didn't mean at that place i meant in general 02:08:59 is "watermelon & bulgarian cheese" a traditional dish 02:09:01 ok 02:09:16 hmm is it 02:10:07 https://encrypted.google.com/images?q=אבטיח+וגבינה+בולגרית 02:10:25 nutella and sausage?? 02:10:34 uh 02:10:37 not sure about that one 02:10:50 hm I guess the palestinean cafe in Cambridge does a fruit & cheese plate that's p. good 02:11:15 http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3398/3536010056_e9a8d6c67e.jpg awwwwww <3 02:11:30 and that one picture is... watermelon and halloumi?? 02:11:39 imo "bizarre" but maybe it's good too 02:11:43 was afraid that might be more elephant fisting 02:11:45 clicked anyway 02:11:51 never had halloumi 02:12:01 halloumi is a strange cheese 02:12:06 imo you should have some sometime 02:12:10 i will! 02:12:34 you have to grill it or something 02:12:56 i'll fry it 02:12:58 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:14:24 hm 02:14:26 zankou is the besssssst 02:14:27 i suppose that works too 02:14:56 hmm is halloumi not vegetarian :'( 02:14:57 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:15:20 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:17:03 It’s cheese. 02:17:36 yes but is it "set with rennet" 02:18:35 Is the use of rennet really that much to stomach? 02:18:42 Jafet: heh. heh. 02:19:03 womp womp 02:19:25 these days some rennet is produced by transgenic bacteria 02:19:32 yes 02:20:15 bacteria *or* fungi I should say 02:20:36 incl. black mold fungus 02:20:59 shachaf: are you interested in cheese making? 02:21:10 cathy makes cheese sometimes, mostly when we have some milk that has gone bad 02:21:17 just acid-set cheese so far 02:21:26 it comes out like paneer or cottage cheese, depending 02:21:33 hm i don't know much about cheese-making 02:21:45 potentially interesting 02:21:52 Milk gone off big-time-stylee, eh 02:21:57 you can also get enzymes out of thistle or other plants that substitute for rennet 02:22:24 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:22:29 yes 02:22:37 wonder how much it would cost to pay someone to drive 6 hours to los angeles and get zankou chicken for me and bring it back 02:22:39 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 02:22:41 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:22:46 -!- Bike has left. 02:22:51 -!- Bike has joined. 02:23:12 los angeles is six hours away from san francisco????? 02:23:16 how much would it cost for them to not eat it on the way, is the real question 02:23:37 Fiora: gonna need another diagram here 02:23:42 elliott: yes approx 02:23:56 elliott: it's only about 2ms away at the speed of light ht 02:23:57 elliott: I realize that's like twice the entire length of your damp & dismal island 02:23:58 h 02:26:20 shachaf: also I found http://www.buyisraelgoods.org/scripts/mrkt_Home.asp?market_id=13&category_id=7 but maybe it's too creepy 02:28:45 why does the world need microcontrollers 02:28:50 great contribution to ##electronics imo 02:29:03 perhaps .bg bulgarian cheese > .il bulgarian cheese 02:29:08 why microcontrollers and not macrocontrollers?? 02:29:45 shachaf: we just don't know 02:30:14 someone once told me bulgarian women are the most attractive 02:30:17 he was quite insistent on this point 02:30:28 i'm not sure i've ever seen a bulgarian person 02:35:18 elliott: quick guide: (1) san francisco is in north california (2) los angeles is in the other california (3) california is big 02:35:48 (3) is quite difficult or me 02:35:50 *for 02:35:56 best california 02:36:23 elliott: basically imagine like, at least a hundred welsh people in a pile? that's like almost as big as california 02:36:54 come on, it's not even as far as London to Glasgow 02:37:11 so if it can target GCC, it could be possible to modify Glasgow to work with gcc-avr and use haskell for AVR micro controller 02:37:18 But then we would need a special Haskell dialect that would allow us to modify register directly and embeded Assembly inside it (in the impure main function, as IO type) 02:37:40 kmc: london and glasgow are literally in different countries 02:37:41 no stop. 02:37:47 Hexham to Dover 02:37:54 nobody wants to go to dover 02:37:59 what about the cliffs 02:38:04 fuck 02:38:05 the cliffs 02:38:11 elliott: would you vote yes on scottish independence 02:38:13 elliott: same kingdom though 02:38:23 kmc: probably 02:38:44 why do you even live in a kingdom 02:38:47 their politics are a bit less fucked 02:38:54 probably i would then have to move to scotland though 02:39:03 and then i would freeze to death 02:39:40 alright are you all ready for some Bad Java Code 02:39:49 gb2tdwtf 02:39:56 my friend works for a school and his undergrads decided they needed to write a calendar 02:39:56 that said, continue. 02:39:59 http://pastebin.com/qzngL9iE 02:40:27 -!- Rig has joined. 02:40:29 kmc: why do you ask anyway 02:40:33 `relcome Rig 02:40:36 ​Rig: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 02:40:39 i don't understand 02:40:48 people need to learn the basic visual technique 02:40:54 of seeing code that looks the same seven times on the screen 02:40:56 of freezing to death? 02:40:57 oh 02:41:05 this should cause you to feel a sensation similar to spiders trying to crawl up your butthole 02:41:22 I think CS education needs more Ludovico Technique 02:41:23 kmc's interests: elephant fisting, spider butthole invasions 02:41:29 , drugz 02:41:31 elliott: don't forget drug 02:41:32 efb 02:41:59 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:42:10 good way to welcome Rig 02:42:11 imo 02:42:16 yes 02:42:22 Could be worse. 02:42:34 rig could have been a spider butthole fetishist. 02:42:38 I'm the one refactoring the code Bike shared. 02:42:42 it takes all kinds 02:42:47 ah good luck w/ that 02:42:48 `WeLcOmE Rig 02:42:51 RiG: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) 02:43:06 `? welcome.es 02:43:10 ​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) 02:43:13 `? bienvenue 02:43:19 i'm ust in love with "this.add(new Day(OfTheWeek.Monday, 1, 0));" 02:43:20 Bienvenue sur le centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d'informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l'autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) 02:43:23 `tervetuloa Bike 02:43:24 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tervetuloa: not found 02:43:26 Bike: I like their anonymous ArrayList subclass 02:43:30 hey what did youc all me 02:43:36 @ask ion to fix `tervetuloa hth 02:43:36 Consider it noted. 02:43:45 Bike: i think it's a fermented fish product? 02:44:00 either that or it means "welcome" in finnish 02:44:12 don't finnish people welcome with fermented fish products 02:44:13 kmc: can't it be both 02:44:17 and "tervemenoa" means "good riddance" 02:44:21 anyway, so many lines of code, I'm impressed. The author must have at least twice as many lines of code as his coworker. What a chump, that guy. 02:44:41 `addquote Bike: i think it's a fermented fish product? either that or it means "welcome" in finnish 02:44:44 1070) Bike: i think it's a fermented fish product? either that or it means "welcome" in finnish 02:44:46 you're on a roll today kmc 02:44:49 thx 02:44:53 I think I may be trying too hard 02:45:03 that's ok, we all are 02:45:11 zzo38 isn't 02:45:35 the key to trying too hard is to try harder, but try less frequently. 02:45:42 wise 02:46:02 same overall amount of hardness 02:47:24 what's wrong with that java code "looks good to me" 02:47:33 `smlist (410) 02:47:34 smlist (410): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy 02:47:49 ah yes it's that time of tuesday/thursday evening 02:47:51 again 02:48:28 olist and smlist in the same day 02:48:38 what was the exploit that used a previously unknown MD5 weakness? 02:49:11 every md5 weakness was previously unknown 02:49:34 perhaps you are thinking of the ""flame"" thing 02:50:27 yes, the recent one; I was reminded of it (though not the name) reading about Stuxnet 02:50:34 elliott: america is *really really huge* 02:50:36 like unreasonable huge 02:50:42 at least twice as big as wales 02:51:03 Fiora: agreed re: unreasonable 02:51:18 austerity measure to save america money: cut down on size??? you really don't need all that country 02:51:29 well it's not like we use all of it 02:51:30 it's scary. you're intimidating all the other countries 02:51:32 we p. much just need the coasts 02:51:34 alaska and hawaii were just flagrant wastes of money 02:51:35 except like russia 02:51:36 the density drops off pretty hilariously in the middle 02:51:37 Really, Texas could be sold. 02:51:40 the least coast and the best code 02:51:42 coast 02:51:44 basically the US is like any normal country except everything is 5 times farther apart 02:51:50 initial and terminal objects in the category of coasts 02:51:56 russia doesn't count since they just have everything in the west 02:52:06 the West Coast isn't really a coast 02:52:07 -!- qxr has joined. 02:52:09 and in the east they still have reindeer herders, because are you going to bother someone who lives in fucking siberia 02:52:11 kind of disqualifies it 02:52:26 Gracenotes: you aren't really a coast :'( 02:52:31 america's size stems from them stretching out a far smaller area of land to make the most of what they had 02:52:37 during the war of independence in 1 BC 02:52:46 I am totally a coaster 02:52:48 `relcome qxr 02:52:50 ​qxr: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 02:52:54 stop relcoming everyone 02:52:56 you'll wear it out 02:53:07 relcome is the best welcome, sorry 02:53:08 `welcome elliott 02:53:10 elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 02:53:15 not sure we even need the others 02:53:16 Rig: but who would buy texas. 02:53:19 relcome does seem the best. 02:53:26 `WELCOME Rig 02:53:28 RIG: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) 02:53:34 Nah, still not better. 02:53:37 I mean, Mexico has tons of empty space 02:53:40 Rig: You haven't seen half of the welcomes! 02:53:44 but everyone still insists on living in Mexico City 02:53:45 I... 02:53:48 You have no place to say things like that. 02:54:07 Bike tells me that HackEgo actually creates a VM for every command. 02:54:08 The fullwidth welcome is still there, right? 02:54:27 `WELCOME Rig 02:54:28 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WELCOME Rig: not found 02:54:31 Rig: sort of 02:54:33 `WELCOME Rig 02:54:35 it uses user mode ilnux 02:54:35 ​RIG: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION 02:54:42 not quite as heavy as a full vm but still "booting a kernel" 02:54:45 hey, hey, why'd it cut off 02:54:50 Bike: irc length limits hth 02:54:52 Ah. 02:54:52 Bike: too biug 02:54:55 like america 02:54:57 oh nooooo 02:55:03 unfortunately there are no country length limits :( 02:55:11 elliott: hey not everybody in america is "fullwidth" 02:55:12 imo, alias `america to `WELCOME 02:55:42 Rig: it's also under version control! so it's like at least thirty times better than the code at your job. 02:55:54 shachaf: is that a fat joke? 02:56:02 Bike: Nah, we're under version control. 02:56:19 SVN is not really my idea of good version control though. 02:56:28 see. HackEgo is on, like. git? probably. 02:56:48 hackego uses hg 02:56:54 because Gregor is kind of a weirdo 02:56:57 close enough imo 02:57:10 I'd settle for hg or git. But my boss dislikes distributed version control for some reason. 02:57:13 no discussion of weird things here. 02:58:01 Fiora: i thought it was a response to one 02:58:07 Rig: use hg or git with the final backend being some boring centralized thing, with say a code review system in between. 02:58:24 Hahaha. Code review. 02:58:24 no, elliott was just talking about america having "a lot of territory", if you know what i mean. 02:58:34 what i mean is the same as what i literally said, btw 02:58:48 wait it's a rig 02:58:55 bike did you invite a rig in here 02:59:02 big rigs over the road racing 02:59:05 yes we're all in the same other channel dunkass 02:59:08 I'm being optimisticic 02:59:22 Bike told me there was no optimism in this channel. 02:59:38 i am optimistic 02:59:38 I think he introduced it as being full of cool people that hate programming. 02:59:48 well, unfortunately, kmc recently got a cool job 02:59:54 so people are in a good mood about programming 02:59:56 it's terrible. 03:00:03 no I still hate programming 03:00:09 shachaf: ##nomic hth 03:00:15 elliott hates everything 03:00:17 oerjan: ? 03:00:28 actually I don't hate programming 03:00:29 but it's annoying 03:00:29 i sometimes wish elliott didn't hate things so much :'( 03:00:40 are you saying you hate my hatred of things 03:00:43 no 03:00:46 he just wouldn't be the same elliott if he had a healthy, sustainable outlook on life 03:00:52 gee thanks Bike 03:01:03 Bike: hatred is sustainable 03:01:10 gee thanks shachaf 03:01:13 > (text.flap) "uɐɾɹǝo" 03:01:16 oǝɹɾɐ¿ 03:01:28 general hatred from a person, or specific hatred of a person? 03:01:48 the latter is usually more sustainable than the former. 03:02:06 look man, i'm not a "hatred expert". I have people for that. People and elephants. 03:02:17 Gracenotes: is that like initial and terminal objects 03:02:22 in the category of h8rs 03:02:33 and h8ees 03:02:41 -!- Lumpio- has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 03:02:47 well i mean there's always an identity morphism 03:02:53 so everyone hates themselves 03:02:55 "axioms" 03:02:56 hey people remember when this channel made sense 03:03:00 yeah me neither 03:03:07 it made sense before you joined 03:03:09 it's like a category but with no identities. the best kind. 03:03:09 category theory "makes sense". 03:03:19 Gracenotes: that's called a semigroupoid 03:03:19 Bike: does this honestly look like category theory to you 03:03:33 no, it looks like shachaf. 03:03:37 shachaf: no u 03:03:37 i assume shachaf is a category. 03:03:40 what does shachaf look like 03:03:55 monoidal. 03:04:04 * Fiora hugs Rig here too then 03:04:19 omg you can't just ask what shachaf looks like 03:04:28 you have to put him in diagrams and ask if they commute 03:04:37 commute where 03:04:50 kmc: should i have a hair cut y/n 03:04:54 it's intransitive 03:04:55 my hair is getting annoying 03:05:06 esp. in this weather etc. 03:05:09 to you or to others? 03:05:18 to me 03:05:22 shachaf: i don't remember how much hair you have 03:05:28 however if you don't like having that much, you should get it cut 03:05:33 you will look good either way 03:05:46 well that goes without saying hth 03:06:03 on july 25 2011 i shaved all my hair 03:06:17 Rig: hey you'll probably hear an equally terrible joke along these lines like at least once in the future here so I'm gonna get it out the way with: 03:06:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:06:26 and then went for a few hours of walking in the sun and got a sunburn :'( 03:06:27 Rig: the best thing about you is that you're never negative 03:06:38 i... don't get it 03:06:39 everyone who got that feel free to kill me 03:06:49 man that's also the best thing about functors 03:07:13 i bet oerjan got it 03:07:15 Yeah, I don't get it. 03:07:25 is "positive rig" a thing... 03:07:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig_(mathematics) 03:07:34 I'm sorry 03:07:39 i already hate this. 03:07:53 Oh, yeah. 03:07:54 oh. right. ring -> rig. 03:07:57 i hate mathematicians. 03:07:58 elliott: without the requirement that each element has an additive inverse 03:08:02 they still can 03:08:08 and every ring is a rig "etc "etc"" 03:08:12 in retrospect that was colossally terrible on so many levels 03:08:17 foo 03:08:21 Mathematicians and computer scientists should stop naming things. 03:08:27 == 03:08:32 but we have so many things! 03:08:35 := 03:08:40 oh I love things 03:08:55 things are too negative 03:08:57 i prefers thigs 03:10:10 lol 03:10:19 Rig had a lot of foresight to name themselves after a mathematical abstraction. 03:10:44 I was prepared. 03:10:48 why is there no good one-word name for a commutative semiring 03:10:51 well probably it wasn't foresight, I suspect Rig had insider knowledge about it 03:10:55 you could say the whole thing was 03:10:55 rigged 03:11:05 what the fuck was that, elliott. 03:11:08 what the fuck was that. 03:11:10 I DON'T EVEN KNOW 03:11:10 shachaf: let's start with a commutative group 03:11:11 i a disgusted. 03:11:13 am. 03:11:14 I'm not myself. 03:11:18 so disgusted i can't use words. 03:12:29 the pun hate is too strong in this area 03:12:33 in dis area. 03:12:47 these puns aren't pleasant or helpful to us please stop 03:12:57 i can't take puns 03:13:09 fnqchaf 03:13:32 but these puns are purrfect 03:13:52 "purr" is the worst pun 03:13:58 -!- shachaf has left. 03:14:02 w-what >_< 03:14:22 eesh, I really shouldn't catpun around him should I ... 03:14:54 when you're a pun-hater, everything around you looks like a nail... pun. 03:15:01 yeah, what Gracenotes said. 03:16:27 a pail? alt. a nun. 03:17:02 filling pails? 03:17:02 is that an anagram 03:17:31 ping faillls? i dunno 03:19:25 shachaf being weird again eh 03:24:51 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 03:28:00 -!- Lumpio- has joined. 03:28:31 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:33:15 elliott: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=area+of+california+%2F+area+of+united+kingdom hth 03:33:24 oerjan: not clicking, too scary 03:35:05 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+california+%2F+population+of+united+kingdom 03:35:32 UK has one more elliott than california 03:35:40 so we're winning 03:36:16 you were winning anyway 03:36:32 but the US has one more fiora >:3 03:36:48 oh yeah well..... actually i guess bikes are common in both places 03:37:38 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+bikes+in+california nooooo 03:37:50 UK is geographically closer to oerjans!!! 03:38:05 gotta use everything we got here 03:38:25 Common campus transportation | Exercise room lineup | Exercises outdoors | Items in a rack | Some exercise equipment 03:41:34 -!- shachaf has joined. 03:41:56 kmc: are you going to read JaffaCake's book when it comes out next month 03:42:16 _Parallel and Concurrent Programming in Haskell_ 03:42:20 maybe 03:43:11 Always the right answer. 03:43:24 always a correct answer 03:43:27 rarely the right answer 03:43:34 anyway this book is looking p. great 03:45:48 anyone have the hott book? 03:46:11 I have a PDF! 03:46:15 me too 03:46:19 lol 03:46:21 probably will never read it & feel miserable 03:47:10 copumpkin: should i get the paper version & read it 03:47:18 not sure 03:47:29 I ordered a copy and will tell you three years from now when I get a chance to read it 03:47:37 :'( 03:47:43 hey did you read that one story thing 03:47:46 shachaf: ##nomic was the right window hth 03:48:01 also this scrollback is large 03:48:02 oerjan: thx plz hth 03:48:49 > (text.flap) "oǝɹɾɐ¿" 03:48:52 uɐɾɹǝo 03:49:09 Jafet: ☝ 03:49:15 Jafet: plz fix thx hth 03:49:37 kmc: should i bring any paper books with me for you to read 03:50:43 Bike: oh should i read some of the other clavell books other than _Shōgun_ 03:50:59 they have them for $not much at the used bookstore 03:51:07 is that the Japanese chess book? 03:51:28 er, hm, that's Shogi 03:51:34 no chess involved "sry" 03:51:51 i bet oerjan got it <-- yep 03:51:59 is that the Japanese cheese book? 03:52:02 "James Clavell's Shōgun is an interactive fiction computer game written by Dave Lebling and released by Infocom in 1989." 03:52:06 ???? 03:52:23 uh ih aven't read clavell 03:52:48 uh hi to you too 03:52:53 and "o k" 03:53:36 oerjan: good 03:53:45 copumpkin: well can you tell me about the uh printing quality or something 03:53:49 hi 03:54:03 who cares about physical books vs. pdfs they're both pretty good imo 03:54:20 copumpkin: is it a "proper book" or just a bunch of pages badly glued together or what 03:54:25 Bike: imo screens are bad hth 03:54:44 proper book 03:54:48 apparently high quality 03:56:00 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+california+*+area+of+california+%2F+%28population+of+united+kingdom+*+area+of+united+kingdom%29 much more reasonable! 03:56:21 oerjan: whoa, dude 03:56:41 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+united+states+*+area+of+united+states+%2F+%28population+of+united+kingdom+*+area+of+united+kingdom%29 03:57:23 what i'm getting out of this is the UK needs more Fioras if it wants to keep pace. 03:57:40 how do you get Fioras 03:58:11 mountains of plush 03:58:21 you put them under boxes 03:58:22 Immigration? 03:58:24 like how you catch rabbits 03:58:53 mountain-sized boxes 03:59:09 according to daki they're made out of moe, I think? 03:59:14 shachaf: bring me a smullyan book 03:59:20 shachaf: plz fix text.flap hth 03:59:30 oerjan: Jafet wrote it. Jafet can fix it 03:59:31 shachaf: bring kmc the smullyan book with the kingdom of laughter 03:59:44 Bike: hmm i was going to bring a different one 03:59:53 you could bring the different one instead 03:59:54 Bike: maybe i'll bring both 03:59:58 there are options 04:00:16 what if I told you anyone can fix it 04:01:40 shachaf: oh ok. 04:01:48 can't guarantee i'll finish reading them in a reasonable amount of time 04:01:51 oerjan: Oh, mauke's original flap was good. 04:02:00 what does flap do 04:02:01 kmc: what about a bounded amount of time 04:02:06 @quote mauke flap 04:02:06 mauke says: let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\ 04:02:06 x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" 04:02:11 oh that's pretty good. 04:02:17 > let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ (flap.flap) "oerjan" 04:02:18 oerjan 04:02:23 > let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ flap "oerjan" 04:02:24 uɐɾɹǝo 04:02:41 the upside down j is kind of bad 04:03:01 > let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ flap "bicycle" 04:03:02 ǝlɔʎɔıq 04:03:12 wow that ı is depressing 04:03:14 that's more like it 04:03:18 ok tru 04:03:27 > let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ flap "telemarketer" 04:03:28 ɹǝʇǝʞɹɐɯǝlǝʇ 04:03:34 there we go 04:03:41 qxr: see? programming 04:03:57 I never indicated anything to the contrary! 04:03:58 More like running programs. 04:04:03 mauke is the programmer here. 04:04:07 is this another Bike program 04:04:08 ... 04:04:10 see? mauke 04:04:12 is this another Bike person 04:04:22 there is only one bike, we've been over this 04:04:31 well Fiora is a Bike person 04:04:32 needs more fixpoint 04:04:33 and Rig is 04:04:36 and qxr 04:04:38 bike person...? 04:04:43 and maybe Sgeo_?????? 04:04:46 a bike/human hybrid 04:04:48 or maybe Bike is an Sgeo_ person 04:04:48 er, needs more self-inverse 04:04:51 by Bike person I mean someone Bike brought. like Rig. 04:04:55 I'm just askin'! 04:05:03 No, I'm just here. 04:05:08 rig is not a number, he is a free man 04:05:12 we could all aspire to be here, imo 04:05:13 Not really. 04:07:42 I don't even own a bike. 04:07:56 Bike is a free bicycle 04:13:05 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:24:14 Bike: a hyphen in a binomial just means that the second term is negative hth 04:25:24 fuck you man 04:31:34 -!- qxr has quit (Quit: Page closed). 04:38:09 copumpkin: Hmm, I think they keep updating the book or something. 04:38:27 yeah, it's on github 04:39:03 copumpkin: I mean the printed version. 04:39:12 Published July 8, 2013 04:39:21 sure, no point in printing older versions :) 04:41:01 but I'm sure any state of the book is still valuable 04:41:04 which is why I bought a copy 04:41:12 even though it'll probably be out of date within a few days :P 04:41:27 i suppose 04:41:40 perhaps less point if you're not going to read it 04:41:48 oh but at least I'll have it 04:41:49 i think y'all are weird 04:41:52 it's like getting the giant SUV 04:41:56 you never know when you might ned it 04:42:09 better just destroy ozone to be safe 04:42:18 it could grow fangs later 04:42:35 copumpkin: don't you have enough giant suvs 04:42:42 I have 0 :( 04:42:47 right 04:42:49 which is like 1 too many 04:43:05 well once you accept that negative giant suvs exist 04:43:17 presumably they pay you money to take them 04:43:26 so why wouldn't you get a lot 04:43:59 hmm, good idea 04:45:02 well, it means you lose antigold, which makes it harder to fly 04:45:55 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_cuisine 04:46:01 mmm, tarator 04:58:57 -!- sacje has quit (Quit: sacje). 05:01:10 https://twitter.com/nedroid/status/354821827924733952 05:02:17 hmm you should follow me on twitter 05:02:41 all my tweets seem to be good so far 05:02:53 how good we talkin 05:03:19 1d1000 05:03:19 shachaf: 701 05:03:22 701 05:03:34 the twitter average is 05:03:36 1d1000 05:03:36 shachaf: 954 05:03:39 954 05:03:40 hm 05:03:51 ok something is broken here 05:03:58 the pigworker average is 05:03:59 1d1000 05:04:00 shachaf: 598 05:04:05 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 05:04:06 is lower better? 05:04:47 i'm not a "twitter expert". 05:04:58 Bike's average is 05:04:59 1d1000 05:04:59 shachaf: 473 05:05:04 ok this is making no sense 05:05:25 Bike: the point is, you should follow me so i can spam you with special promotions 05:05:35 individualized, targeted 05:05:38 oh no 05:05:43 sales and events that may be of interest to you 05:05:49 places to put your money 05:05:51 hth 05:06:02 @tell Taneb a Jake cosplayer trying to to eroticly lick a gun 05:06:02 Consider it noted. 05:06:39 Bike: why are you trying to destroy Taneb's mind tnh 05:06:42 *tdnh 05:07:00 -!- FireFly has joined. 05:07:16 * oerjan swats FireFly -----### 05:07:50 * shachaf swats oerjan -----### 05:07:58 help 05:08:07 mnoqy: want a hug 05:08:09 oerjan's gone mad with power 05:08:13 nah im fine 05:08:14 copumpkin: are you a "hug person" 05:09:55 I don't do it spontaneously much but I don't mind it at all 05:12:16 hm 05:14:12 Bike: i'm sorry but swatting FireFly is an ancient #esoteric tradition. 05:14:58 oerjan is an ancient #esoteric tradition 05:15:15 FireFly, on the other hand, has a lifespan of ~2 months 05:21:42 -!- Yonkie has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:22:10 `quote 151 05:22:12 151) elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. 05:23:43 wise words to live by 05:23:57 -!- Rig has quit (Quit: ejecting warp core). 05:25:31 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:34:19 oh boy i thnk i better put on some eye protection cuz half of a transistor shot off and hit my window 05:34:33 @tell Vorpal Oh, it's very home-made, and still a bit work-in-progress. E.g. the pitch control (for taking multi-row shots) works by loosening/tightening the top screw with a hex key (from some IKEA furniture, I think) and a small wrench; I was going to drill some more holes so that I could lock it to pre-set positions with a pin. 05:34:33 Consider it noted. 05:34:38 @tell Vorpal Also the mine lake stage photo on the Flickr page (p1180390-437) has some visible seams at the walkway leading to the stage; the panohead worked just fine, but the floating stage itself kept floating around, not much it can do about that. 05:34:38 Consider it noted. 05:35:45 kmc: wow i have that same problem 05:37:36 hi oerjan 05:43:42 Hi, oerjan. Ho, er, Jan. 05:45:18 hi ho 06:37:42 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 06:43:27 -!- Taneb has joined. 06:44:50 I am still internally debating whether to email Ian Stewart about further reading or not 06:45:04 do it come on 06:45:09 emailing smart people is great 06:46:23 I am not very good at it! 06:47:25 you'll probably just get a form response gees 06:47:30 I'm with Bike 06:47:50 Maybe I could ask Phantom_Hoover to track him down 06:49:19 Taneb->elliott ~ Phantom_Hoover -> Ian Stewart 06:50:10 what 06:50:24 Yes 06:51:07 I wonder if he plays Dwarf Fortress 06:57:05 who's Ian Stewart 07:00:35 A mathematician and pop science author 07:01:25 17 Equations Guiltied to a Zegnatronic Rocket Society 07:01:45 his book on astrobiology was p. great 07:03:30 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:04:51 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 07:07:07 kmc, define:zegnatronic 07:07:51 @wn zegnatronic 07:07:53 No match for "zegnatronic". 07:08:17 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 07:08:26 Woah Nebster? 07:09:15 word invented by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chu 07:10:11 hi Taneb 07:10:23 Hi 07:11:04 so i found a pretty good "stupid future" thing 07:11:12 not to be confused with Frank Cho 07:11:12 remember back when bin laden was assassinated and that one guy tweeted it? 07:11:21 this writing style reminds me of zzo38 a bit but not a lot: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CAOsGNSQ4dEn%2B_k4iSwiPDgjYzzpOgVogYxmH99nugjX5OvkzPg%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=yaml-core 07:11:45 actually it's not very zzo38y 07:12:07 shachaf is training to be a forensic expert in distinguishing real zzo38 writings from forgeries 07:12:42 A noble cause 07:12:52 zzitings 07:13:28 Bike: i don't remember 07:13:53 ok well 07:14:18 "Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1 am. (is rare event)" "Go away helicopter before I get my giant swatter" 07:14:21 etc. 07:14:36 (referring to the SEAL copters, not that he knew that) 07:14:47 i thought they were... stealth 07:14:58 four of them were but they brought some bigger ones too 07:15:04 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:15:06 doesn't that kind of defeat the point 07:15:09 cause that's how stealth works 07:15:13 they had the stealth ones land first 07:15:14 Remember when C. Julius Caesar was assassinated and some guy tweeted about it 07:15:28 ANYWAY since tweets are precisely timed, pakistan's investigatory commission quotes his tweets in their report 07:15:31 and calls him the most reliable witness 07:15:56 more reliable than one of the bodyguards' wives, or a neighbor who the SEALs tied up 07:16:22 has anyone made a cryptocurrency which uses twitter as a timestamping service 07:16:28 well, you can't get much more reliable than having a twitter. 07:16:42 the other witnesses are seriously bad, it's kind of great 07:17:00 hey you should follow me on twitter 07:17:00 some random soldier who happened to be nearby, obviously making shit up to justify not going to look 07:17:17 shachaf: imo tweet about illegal military operations first. 07:18:02 the thing i really don't get about the helicopters is that one of them crashed 07:18:07 that seems like, kind of a pretty bad fuckup 07:18:19 when you're a hundred miles into semi-enemy territory? 07:19:19 "The Commission noticed that he produced no evidence of his statements and accordingly no weight could be given to his assertions" sample quote re other witnesses 07:25:53 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 07:29:51 kmc, elliott: yeah, it was black hawks and then chinooks. 07:30:12 how stealthy are stealth helicopters really 07:30:20 like it seems pretty hard to hide a helicopter 07:30:37 they flew really low to the ground and knew where the radar stations were 07:31:02 but i mean, yeah, seems like kind of a fuckup n the part of the pakistani military. 07:31:04 Why not use a jeep or so 07:31:09 Mwthing 07:31:12 Bah 07:32:26 well have you seen pakistan 07:32:37 kinda hilly 07:33:35 My mum I 07:33:39 -!- carado has joined. 07:33:46 Used to live there 07:34:17 in the north or near islamabad? 07:35:02 well, really north, i guess :V 07:35:26 Karachi, I think 07:35:32 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 07:37:11 Without typos I would have said, "My mum used to live there" 07:37:25 oh, i thought that was "My mum & I" 07:37:53 Nah, my phone keyboard is annoying 07:38:44 It was where my mum learnt to speak Italian 07:38:58 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:43:21 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:43:58 -!- copumpkin has joined. 07:46:18 learning to speak italian in pakistan, aha 07:46:35 Taneb: your family has a strange relationship to countries hth 07:51:15 were you an embassy kid? 07:52:33 (i assume you no longer are because, hexham) 07:52:52 joke about hexham not being part of england 07:54:34 (well also you are no longer a kid, come to think of it. damn you people grow fast.) 07:54:58 wow oerjan doesn't know about the hexham embassies 07:55:10 indeed. 07:55:36 i suppose it would be a fine place for unexpected embassies, men of black style 07:55:43 *men in black 07:56:37 wait this is why elliott and Taneb can never meet: one of them is an alien. now we just have to find out which one. 07:57:22 (also whichever it is, i'd like a lift off planet, thank you) 07:59:37 they're both aliens hth 08:00:16 wait Taneb was a goat? 08:01:11 -!- AndroUser2 has joined. 08:01:25 Taneb: are you the one in http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=392 08:01:33 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: No route to host). 08:01:52 -!- AndroUser2 has changed nick to Taneb. 08:03:18 I was not an embassy kid. My gramdfather worked for some NGO making a dam in Pakistan when my mum was a child. 08:05:05 The project was managed by an Italian company 08:05:09 aha 08:07:00 My dad was an australian I T contractor who moved to the UK looking for work where he met my mum 08:07:55 His parents had emigrated to Australia from the Netherlands in the fifties for reasons I forget 08:09:03 My mum's mum was born in California because her dad had a job managing a paint factory there. 08:09:27 None of them claimed US citizenship. 08:10:12 That is a lot of the weird stuff in my family relating to countries 08:10:47 I have skipped the bit about Ghana because 08:10:56 I do not know enough 08:11:14 ...you were doing so well until that last bit :P 08:12:43 It was similar to Pakistan except my mum hadn't been born yet and I think it was with the military 08:14:12 There are rumours of Spanish ancestors on my mum's side and Sri Lankan on my dad's side 08:14:45 oerjan: sounds to me like Taneb is the alien 08:15:10 shachaf: yeah that's quite implausibly complicated for an earthling 08:16:30 My gran has lived on every continent bar south america and antarctica 08:17:17 That's a lot of continent bars. 08:18:39 Shush 08:22:47 I am proud to be the creator of the esolang with the longest name 08:23:43 longer than the maximum length of a wiki title? 08:24:10 No b because that would be stupid 08:24:39 Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download? 08:24:53 I will not be impressed unless it is longer than the maximum length of a wiki page 08:25:15 Nay, longer than the number of atoms in the known universe 08:25:34 Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 08:25:38 oh but yeah a mouthful to pronounce would also be p. good. 08:25:53 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:25:55 Is that really the esolang with the longest name? 08:26:04 * shachaf finds that difficult to believe. 08:26:12 Last time I checked 08:26:46 Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch 08:26:57 slightly shorter than that 08:27:15 It is longer than Compiler Language With No Pronouncable Acronym 08:28:00 everything in pronouncable 08:28:20 you just add schwas everywhere 08:29:31 *is 08:30:14 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )). 08:30:47 of course the welsh just laugh at the idea that clwnpa is unpronouncable. 08:31:20 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:37:08 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:52:45 Jafet: I'm stealing a patch of yours for NetHack 4. How would you like to be credited? 09:21:19 -!- johnny57 has joined. 09:27:11 Via money transfer thanks 09:30:38 "The pirate stole a patch" 09:32:08 "After applying the patch, he placed a hook in a patchy tomcat" 09:33:53 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:34:35 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 09:43:53 I guess it's the unidentification patch. Wow, there are more strstrs in here than I remember. 09:50:48 -!- tswett_ has joined. 09:53:39 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 09:57:53 -!- elliott has quit (*.net *.split). 09:57:53 -!- tswett has quit (*.net *.split). 10:05:58 Jafet: invoking the book 10:06:11 required for permablind 10:11:27 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 10:17:21 Damn there are real alien nazis http://www.alienandufopictures.com/ufo_pictures.html 10:17:37 :-! 10:18:09 `relcome johnny57 10:18:13 ​johnny57: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 10:23:18 thank you 10:25:00 -!- johnny57 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 10:25:58 -!- ion has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 10:29:59 coppro: well, you might want to change one of the lines in oracles.txt when you apply the patch. For, you know, the people who still visit the Oracle and stuff. 10:31:04 "If thou maintainest the utmost calm, thy safety will be aided greatly, but beware lest thy clumsy feet scuff the inscription, cancelling its potence." 10:33:31 I wisheth that the Oracle spake with less platitudinal bullshit 10:34:31 @quote platitud 10:34:31 ddarius says: "use the right platitude for the job" 10:41:02 -!- ion has joined. 10:46:42 -!- Vorpal has joined. 11:01:45 -!- elliott has joined. 11:02:23 -!- elliott has changed nick to Guest17879. 11:03:09 -!- Sgeo has joined. 11:09:31 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:11:34 Hi 11:14:14 -!- carado has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 11:22:42 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 11:27:49 -!- Koen_ has joined. 11:27:58 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 11:28:24 -!- surma has joined. 11:28:55 -!- surma has left. 11:45:57 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:53:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:00:54 http://www.develop-online.net/news/44746/Valves-perfect-hiring-hierarchy-has-hidden-management-clique-like-High-School 12:01:03 I feel weirdly validated. 12:23:13 Phantom_Hoover, oh? 12:30:35 Vorpal, all the Valve handbook stuff etc. always annoyed me; they're far too proud of themselves for 'eliminating' the usual problems with institutional hierarchies. 12:31:23 * Vorpal looks up Valve handbook 12:31:29 -!- augur has joined. 12:31:47 Ah 12:44:19 -!- boily has joined. 12:48:12 -!- boily has quit (Client Quit). 12:50:19 -!- boily has joined. 13:10:02 For a moment there I was thinking about regular, you know, valves. 13:10:15 There are probably books about valves. 13:10:33 -!- carado has joined. 13:22:35 -!- tromp__ has joined. 13:22:51 -!- coppro_ has joined. 13:29:32 -!- myndzl has joined. 13:29:37 -!- lambdabot has quit (*.net *.split). 13:29:38 -!- coppro has quit (*.net *.split). 13:29:38 -!- myndzi has quit (*.net *.split). 13:29:39 -!- tromp_ has quit (*.net *.split). 13:42:10 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 13:42:31 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Changing host). 13:42:31 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 13:47:24 -!- Taneb has joined. 13:48:21 Went to see Osbourne House today 13:50:34 Was pretty good 13:52:15 Jul 09 22:56:44 hackego uses hg 13:52:15 Jul 09 22:56:49 because Gregor is kind of a weirdo 13:52:22 I feel like EVENTUALLY people will realize that git is horrible. 13:52:26 -!- itsy has joined. 13:53:05 git is good. git is your friend. have you heard of our Lord Git? 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or democracy? 16:04:09 Probably. 16:08:13 * kmc is not convinced. 16:17:09 hm I don't have Finland dogs nearby 16:23:16 But you do have Finland trees, then? 16:29:30 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:30:50 -!- Bike has joined. 16:34:17 ...no! :'( 16:38:09 -!- jconn has joined. 16:41:24 -!- Guest28572 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:44:19 -!- Suchorski has joined. 16:48:23 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:08:15 -!- Guest28572 has joined. 17:35:43 -!- nooodl_ has changed nick to nooodl. 17:53:43 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 17:55:24 -!- metasepia has joined. 17:57:34 -!- Guest28572 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:23:13 Heh, I clicked on a link and all pages of that website crashed in chrome. That is across all the tabs that were open on that page. 18:28:50 isn't chrome supposed to have completely isolated tabs, where one crash can't propagate as a tribble infestation among everything? 18:29:06 there are several tabs per process 18:32:42 there are several chromes, with several process, with several tabs, with several goats, then it's turtles all the way to the kernel. 18:46:42 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 18:48:46 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:50:05 -!- Guest17879 has changed nick to elliott. 18:57:41 -!- lambdabot has joined. 18:59:43 lambdabot: hi! 19:00:44 For some reason, OpenStreetMap tabs in Chromium have a habit of crashing if left unattended. 19:00:49 Don't know what's up with that. 19:01:49 hm. lambdabot is silent again. what about fungot? 19:02:12 aaaaaah! I need my fungot fix! 19:04:58 -!- shachaf_ has changed nick to shachaf. 19:05:35 How To Crack Open a Coconut http://youtu.be/M0S8RlFuaVo 19:05:52 * boily prods fizzie with a rubber cuttlefish "ME WANT FUNGOT!" 19:06:12 `tervetuloa hth 19:06:17 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tervetuloa: not found 19:06:24 shachaf: Seems to work fine. 19:07:48 ion: :'( 19:09:27 ion: where are my services 19:10:02 I swallowed them, sorry. 19:14:14 ion: did you know your irc client prefixes ops with a @ 19:15:01 Vorpal: I'm stitching those Otaniemi pictures, and there's one (almost-)full-globe where the zenith images are of completely clear blue sky. Surprisingly, there are some problems defining control points for the blue rectangles. 19:15:15 elliott: That was a great revelation. 19:16:10 "channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed" huh 19:16:22 (SSH port forward message.) 19:16:22 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 19:17:38 An alternative way to crack open a coconut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCZRnB3VFg 19:17:53 hion 19:17:55 I think it should have given more information. Something like “channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed” 19:18:03 hirefly 19:18:28 FireFly, hah 19:18:33 err 19:18:35 fizzie, ^ 19:18:46 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:19:05 fizzie, also you can easily turn off port forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config 19:19:11 So I guess that is what happened 19:19:51 fizzie, pretty pointless since you could write your own daemon on the other end to do port forwarding for you 19:20:37 -!- fungot has joined. 19:21:19 fungot: hi :D 19:21:20 boily: and we all will be well invested. get a backtrace, at least in the chicken hash table implementation 19:22:12 heh 19:55:28 -!- tswett_ has changed nick to tswett. 20:00:02 -!- Phantom__Hoover has changed nick to Guest21998. 20:00:04 -!- elliott has changed nick to Guest68635. 20:00:48 -!- boily has changed nick to Guest31415. 20:02:09 -!- Guest68635 has changed nick to elliott. 20:02:38 -!- Guest31415 has changed nick to boily. 20:03:48 -!- elliott has changed nick to Guest24565. 20:04:07 -!- Guest24565 has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 20:04:17 -!- elliott_ has joined. 20:04:38 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 20:07:45 -!- conehead_ has joined. 20:08:59 -!- conehead_ has changed nick to conehead. 20:12:55 -!- sebbu has joined. 20:13:37 Vorpal: Flickr'd those things: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/sets/72157634561814470/ (As for the almost-globe, just decided to drop the sky images for now; they're not all that terribly interesting, in the end.) 20:17:00 fizzie: is that that very large scale model of the solar system? 20:17:18 boily: No, it's a set of random panoramic pictures. Unless I linked to the wrong set. 20:17:18 -!- Frooxius_ has joined. 20:17:19 (There's a set of the solar system model, too.) 20:17:35 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:18:42 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:19:17 Something I've wondered, re that model; is the Neptune model -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/9033742967/ -- trying to show some kind of surface features, or is it just flaky paint? 20:19:33 I surreptitiously clicked on your usernamef to see what other pictures you had. 20:20:48 I haven't used the Flickr account much, since I have a local Gallery2 installation for sharing vacation pics with relatives with. 20:23:57 fizzie, that model, is that in Finland? 20:24:18 I know there is one in Sweden that covers most of Sweden, with the Globen Statium in Stockholm being the sun. 20:24:50 It's in Finland, and it's smaller than that. 20:25:09 1:10^9 in scale, so the Sun is about a metre and a half, or something like that. 20:25:36 And all the planets are in the Helsinki/Espoo area, it's a nice (20-or-so km) bike ride to go through them all. 20:25:38 where is the sun? can't find the image 20:26:01 -!- Guest8492 has quit. 20:26:10 fizzie, or is that the thing on the pole? 20:26:11 It's the silly sphere -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/9033733679/ 20:26:13 Yes. 20:26:22 -!- FreeFull has joined. 20:26:25 The idea is that you should be able to see it from all of the planets. 20:26:29 fizzie, nice panoramas anyway 20:26:35 (It doesn't entirely work, due to trees and so on.) 20:26:38 heh 20:26:48 didn't you say they were in a 20 km area or so? 20:27:01 And you need binoculars for the planets further away, yes. 20:27:12 Well, a 20 km round trip. I don't know what the furthest distance is. 20:27:22 ah, so not in a line then 20:27:39 well I guess they can't be in line due to some of the orbital resonances 20:28:28 The alignment of the planets might not correspond to any particular date, it's possible they've just put it where they found good locations. 20:28:28 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 20:28:44 Pluto's (this predates the demotion) apparently about 6.1 km away from the Sun. 20:30:15 http://goo.gl/maps/eYwGR here's the GPS log for the trip those photos were taken at. 20:33:45 fizzie, it is annoying that some apps seem to not be aware of dual monitors and open in the middle, and some open properly on one or the other monitor 20:33:49 any idea what could cause that 20:34:51 Decades of history, I suppose. (Or in more detail, maybe non-Xinerama-aware code that manually queries screen extents and sets window position, instead of letting the window manager position it?) 20:36:08 I don't recall any examples offhand that'd open in the middle. (Though this is a tiling wm, so apps that don't get floated due to fixed-size windows or whatnot would be tiled anyway.) 20:36:28 fizzie, hugin's splash screen in this case 20:36:38 so not that annoying 20:36:40 just weird 20:36:43 -!- Bike_ has joined. 20:36:54 -!- FreeFull has changed nick to Guest71082. 20:37:30 -!- copumpkin has joined. 20:37:38 Curious; it opens in the center of the currently focused monitor, for me. (X is such a mess, though.) 20:38:17 heh 20:38:47 Have you bought the current humble bundle? Ebook one? 20:38:54 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:39:22 Vorpal: I did. 20:39:31 they just added some new stuff 20:39:38 hm 20:39:39 No, but I bought the previous one (Android #6). Though with very little money, since it wasn't all that interesting. 20:40:07 I got the current one just now, due to the new stuff they added 20:40:12 was planning to skip it otherwise 20:40:21 Then I kept feeling guilty about giving them so little amount of money, even though the alternative would've been to give them nothing. 20:42:45 Speaking of Hugin, I can't figure out what the user-local directory for Python plugins is. http://hugin.sourceforge.net/releases/2011.2.0/en.shtml says "Moreover, plugins can be written, modified, customized in the user's own directory" but I haven't found any page that'd say what that directory is. (Or bothered to source-dive yet.) 20:43:25 (I wrote a small script to set the initial rough positions to what they tend to be after taking shots with the panohead.) 20:45:47 what use are those scripts? 20:46:43 fizzie, tried the new 2013.0.0 beta yet? They "streamlined" the UI, making it god-awful for the stuff I typically do. (Custom optimization configurations) 20:47:02 I've only read about it on the wiki so far. 20:47:06 I went back to the 2012.0.0 version instead 20:47:08 it was that bad 20:47:23 Vorpal: I did. 20:47:29 boily, your opinion? 20:47:45 From what I read, the "Expert" interface sounded reasonably similar to the old Hugin, but no, haven't tried it yet. 20:48:11 Vorpal: also my up arrow. 20:48:13 Well, "Advanced" or "Expert", I'm not quite sure what their difference is. 20:48:15 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 20:48:30 boily, I'm not familiar with that terminology? 20:48:46 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 20:48:48 fizzie, the expert interface was the one I was describing. The simple one is utterly useless 20:49:18 Mhm'k. 20:53:44 -!- ineiros has joined. 20:53:55 -!- impomatic has quit (*.net *.split). 20:53:56 -!- glogbackup has quit (*.net *.split). 20:53:56 -!- pikhq has quit (*.net *.split). 20:53:56 -!- ineiros_ has quit (*.net *.split). 20:56:35 Vorpal: Another slightly photography-related topic: turns out the N900 is reasonably usable for taking time-lapse shots (my regular camera doesn't have that functionality, and isn't computer-controllable; the old 2-mpix Canon that was I gave away); with a suitable gstreamer pipeline it can take, encode and wifi-send full-frame (2576x1936) jpegs at a bit over 1 fps, or 1920x1440-crop-to-1080p ... 20:56:42 ... images (for videoing) at about 2.2 fps. (Could perhaps go faster over usb-net as opposed to poor-signal-strength wifi.) 20:58:49 Hm 20:59:10 fizzie, I guess I could use my own phone for that, what with the somewhat better camera than that 21:00:15 Hm are there any color eink displays out yet? 21:00:21 I know they are in the works as it were 21:00:30 colour* 21:00:53 If so, how good are they? 21:00:58 Vorpal: the up arrow on my keyboard, it searchs through previous replies. 21:00:58 I think there's been some commercial products already, but nothing mainstream. 21:01:07 but time to go eat. I'm autodigesting myself. 21:01:09 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 21:01:12 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:01:46 http://www.jetbook.net/ <- like that 21:01:59 Says it's "first ever", but you never know. 21:02:22 Mhm 21:02:58 "Sadly, my Jetbook Color 2 arrived yesterday and the new screen for the most part is not visibly different from the screen on the original Jetbook Color. 21:03:01 Sure, the blacks are darker, and the colors are a little brighter, but unfortunately E-ink’s second-gen color E-ink screen has the same gray base color as the previous screen. It is a gray that is so dark that the original Kindle actually has a whiter screen." 21:03:05 Reviews: not so good. 21:03:24 Ah 21:03:42 So time to wait a year or so before getting an e-reader 21:06:21 I guess it works by having a static RGBW kind-of-like-Bayer-pattern filter on top of the black-and-white screen, so the subpixels of a full-white pixel are still (the brightest possible) white, red, green and blue, so the overall effect is gray. 21:07:55 -!- heroux has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 21:11:32 fizzie, for some reason I get the unlock dialog on the non-primary monitor hm 21:12:13 I get mine on the screen the cursor was on when I locked it. 21:14:57 -!- lifthras1ir has joined. 21:17:32 -!- glogbackup has quit (*.net *.split). 21:17:33 -!- Frooxius_ has quit (*.net *.split). 21:17:34 -!- clog has quit (*.net *.split). 21:17:34 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (*.net *.split). 21:17:34 -!- Gregor has quit (*.net *.split). 21:17:34 hm 21:17:55 fizzie, I will have to investigate that that wasn't the case 21:31:30 fizzie, you are right, that was what happened 21:39:27 -!- Frooxius_ has joined. 21:44:41 -!- heroux has joined. 22:03:25 -!- clog has joined. 22:37:14 -!- jsvine has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 22:43:53 -!- shachaf has quit (Changing host). 22:43:53 -!- shachaf has joined. 22:45:13 -!- carado has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 23:05:12 -!- ion has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 23:09:49 -!- ion has joined. 23:25:07 -!- Guest71082 has quit (Changing host). 23:25:07 -!- Guest71082 has joined. 23:25:17 -!- Guest71082 has changed nick to FreeFull. 23:26:52 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 23:29:38 -!- dvorakbot has joined. 23:31:27 does anyone know what the new thinkpad keyboards are like 23:32:24 Probably still got Fn at bottom left 23:34:40 i have an X1 Carbon with the new-style keyboard and it's fine 23:34:45 feels at least as good as the old style 23:35:13 -!- Frooxius_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]). 23:35:20 they were always tweaking the mechanism on the old style keyboards, anyway 23:35:35 so this isn't some unprecedented shift in terms of mechanism, just appearance 23:36:12 Lumpio-, thank god for that! 23:36:23 it's missing SysRq and a few other keys, but there are secret Fn combos for them 23:36:31 I think they include a BIOS option these days to put Ctrl there 23:36:35 kmc, I haven't heard of this new keyboard, what is the difference? 23:36:36 although I didn't get magic SysRq to work 23:36:41 Lumpio-: oh I heard about that 23:36:50 the true location of Ctrl is to the left of 'a' ;P 23:37:01 capslock ctrl is uncomfortable :( 23:37:06 elliott: no 23:37:08 elliott: why 23:37:15 Vorpal: http://www.lenovo.com/shop/WW/products/splitter/notebooks/ThinkPad/X-Series/gallery/ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Laptop-PC-Overhead-Keyboard-View-4L-940x475.jpg 23:37:15 elliott, depends on your hands I bet 23:37:24 they dropped a row of keys and added space between the keys 23:37:33 and all the thinkpad diehards were like NOOOOO YOU MONSTERS 23:37:33 kmc: my little finger doesn't like holding down the key in that position 23:37:34 kmc, blasphemy! There is space between the keys 23:37:36 but really, it feels fine 23:37:37 I hate that 23:37:40 messes up the distances 23:37:46 don't agree 23:37:55 ok to clarify when I asked my question I already knew Vorpal would hate it 23:37:58 And I need to switch between normal PC keyboards, old laptop keyboards and thinkpads 23:38:10 I have a really issue if the spacing change 23:38:11 i do that too 23:38:12 it's fine 23:38:15 you can feel the edges between keys 23:38:20 Really run into issues with spaced keyboards 23:38:22 however I will accept that you and I are different human beings 23:38:41 * Fiora tries it, it feels awkward but maybe that's just habit? 23:38:41 kmc, that is not the issue, I can't handle *scale* changes to keyboards very well. 23:38:44 kmc: xah lee sez http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html but of course that is subject to xah lee being crazy 23:39:02 though his reasons make sense to me 23:39:10 I can get used to any, but since I switch so much I can't really get used to any that is far from the averagte 23:39:12 average* 23:39:23 what I might do is swap ctrl and alt 23:39:31 IIRC they used to be in opposite positions on very old IBM keyboards 23:39:44 either that or Alt was the standard keyboard shortcut modifier rather than Ctrl, so it was effectively swapped 23:39:52 kmc, they moved pgup/pgdown too? 23:39:53 and alt seems to be in a nicer position to hit regularly 23:39:53 Huh 23:40:06 Vorpal: yeah, and got rid of the page forward / page back browser keys 23:40:11 I guess macs effectively do that because cmd is where alt is on PC keyboards 23:40:42 kmc, hm, this is the thinkpad layout I'm used to: https://www.dropbox.com/s/24aswje7idgwoo3/20120729_111221.jpg 23:41:26 kmc, I used the forward/back keys for switching between terminal tabs in the terminal emulator 23:41:28 :/ 23:41:31 kmc: that pgup/pgdown positioning looks a bit awkward 23:41:42 but not like it really matters 23:42:03 my current keyboard has pgup and pgdn as FN-home and FN-end 23:42:05 which is a little od 23:42:06 *odd 23:42:09 I used a keyboard with pgup/pgdown replacing some of the duplicate modifier keys on the right for a while, that was pretty nice actually 23:42:27 elliott, I like that the esc key is no longer above F1, that used to trip me up going between my laptop and desktops 23:42:36 That is one actual improvement 23:43:06 i use Ctrl-[ for esc usually 23:43:09 Fiora, quite odd yes 23:43:12 -!- dvorakbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:43:16 kmc, does that work across the board? 23:43:21 anyway where is your [? 23:43:26 -!- mnoqy has joined. 23:43:31 for me that would be ctrl-altgr-8 23:43:32 it's the key labeled _- on qwerty 23:43:34 which is just silly 23:43:35 anyway I will look into thinkpads I guess 23:43:40 http://i.imgur.com/zna27l.jpg this one is mine 23:43:41 and it works in standard terminals 23:43:50 kmc, next to right shift? 23:43:59 no two left of backspace 23:44:01 Fiora: wow colourful 23:44:02 elliott, getting a new computer? 23:44:10 it works because the ESC character *is* Ctrl-[ in ASCII 23:44:13 Vorpal: in theory 23:44:13 kmc, okay, not where it is on Swedish qwerty then! 23:44:32 same way I've been "getting a new computer" for years but this time my current setup is annoying enough that I might actually do it 23:44:38 elliott: mine's purple though 23:44:39 Ctrl = - 0x40 23:44:43 it lets you customize the colors 23:44:48 elliott, ah, I got a new monitor recently 23:44:50 Fiora: how utterly shocking 23:44:53 elliott, so I have a dual monitor setup now 23:45:23 laptops with number pads make me sad though :( 23:45:26 http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk102/hihihehe_ace/20120621_175804.jpg like that 23:45:30 there's a purple one 23:45:34 means your hand is always going to be to the left 23:45:37 elliott, a 24" 16:10 IPS. Dell UltraSharp 2412M. It actually is not too expensive for being an IPS. Good price/performance 23:45:39 *hands are 23:45:58 yeah, I'm not sure it's necessary really... I do like that the keyboard is smaller (width-wise) though because of the pad though 23:47:02 elliott, I have a UltraSharp 2410 at work, that is more than twice as expensive, for a 8 bits + 2 bits of AFRC and wide gamut, instead of 6 bits + 2 bits of AFRC and sRGB. 23:47:02 also that |\ key 23:47:04 is in the weirdest place 23:47:14 wait there's two??? 23:47:19 why is there an extra one next to the space bar 23:47:56 yeah that is strange 23:48:15 elliott, so you are getting a laptop? 23:48:17 -!- Frooxius has joined. 23:48:51 elliott, Are you planning on coding much on it? Or what will the main purpose be? 23:49:10 well as much as I code currently :P 23:49:14 I found that I work more efficiently with really big screen estate, such as dual 24" 23:49:24 Not sure if that is true for everyone, or if it is just me 23:49:41 Dual screens is even nicer, makes having two maximised windows really nice 23:49:45 I am ok with small screens 23:49:58 I don't do much fancy in terms of coding environment anyway 23:50:03 -!- johnny57 has joined. 23:50:24 I have started feeling cramped with just a single monitor. You get used to the dual screens really quickly. 23:50:28 though high-PPI would be nice, the software support in linux seems to make that a waste of time for now 23:50:33 I had tripple screens for a bit. That was *really* nice. 23:51:35 (2x 24" 16:10 + 16:9 powerhouse laptop in dock at work. Really nice.) 23:52:45 elliott, high ppi is nice, but I don't recall linux having problems with that hm? 23:53:04 I know windows can't handle mixed low and high ppi screens well 23:53:14 I assume linux could in theory? 23:53:35 well it's about application support 23:53:46 oh? 23:53:50 and the size of existing graphics etc. 23:54:08 doesn't mostly everything use pango to render text these days anyway? 23:54:18 like OS X's handling of the retina stuff is really good and just scaling up the X11 PPI setting isn't going to be remotely as effective for now 23:54:19 and there tends to be SVG icons 23:54:19 GUYS THE VOICES ARE ON TO US THEY KNOW WE CAN HEAR THEM 23:54:27 Koen_: ??? 23:55:40 -!- sprocklem has joined. 23:55:50 Btw, is there any laptop with a non-straight keyboard? Ergonomic I mean 23:56:05 Maybe not as extreme as a MS natural or such, but somewhat 23:57:02 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:57:03 hey are there keyboards you can put on the palm of your hands? 23:57:55 Koen_, I guess you could strap on the datahand and it would still work? 23:58:05 There are keyer gloves... 23:58:14 oh, nice 23:58:58 Bike, how do they work? Do you end up looking really futuristic while using them 23:59:18 it's just a chorded keyboard, as far as i know 23:59:23 aee 23:59:25 aww* 23:59:58 i know a guy who uses his regular keyboard as chorded, maybe i can ask him 23:59:58 http://www.keyglove.net/ <-- this one looks like a prototype hm