< 1373242549 814553 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that demo thing? < 1373242550 391083 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bb < 1373242557 667426 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the ... something or other < 1373242593 923771 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs bb to check < 1373242635 295590 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, go watch bb < 1373242658 321744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ stops making sense < 1373242678 521738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's an aalib demo program, not related to breaking bad, hth < 1373242679 242695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1373242699 113746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1373242730 857701 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if someone put it on YouTube, although that would be crap < 1373242761 901057 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's a video made of ANSI art to show off a library for encoding videos as ANSI art < 1373242784 537315 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aalib might do more than that < 1373242841 416355 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTubed version of ASCII rendition of a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ukhOAUseKY < 1373242876 35639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1373242884 620804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a video of bb? < 1373242923 697189 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Linux distros that don't have bb? < 1373242950 976876 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube is great for linking to Windows friends < 1373242983 270272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made bb run on Windows once. < 1373242995 823377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involved Cygwin and a lot of annoyance, I think. < 1373243003 478781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Getting the audio working was the annoyance part.) < 1373243056 677585 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koules! < 1373243062 603311 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the name of that game I forgot the name of! < 1373243199 281537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, running bb crashed my computer. < 1373243202 16029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic. < 1373243242 636494 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I want to be able to play Koules on Windows < 1373243266 823544 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a port < 1373243283 62127 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should port it to HTML5+Javascript < 1373243290 944277 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to say Flash, but Flash sucks < 1373243340 309024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hax < 1373246245 910441 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373246300 907763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: nya? did someone say aaaronson book computing fiora something or other < 1373246307 319735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373246468 350587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:18 < Fiora> bike: nya? did someone say aaaronson book computing fiora something or other < 1373246479 320798 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1373247046 366462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro asked about quantum computing. < 1373247631 319169 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373247649 459417 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1373248745 265206 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373249280 629317 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373249682 285325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373249799 901627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373251017 200154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :overheard: "Say what you will about that circus, but I still have a huge hard-on" < 1373251082 78404 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cirque de soleil is like that for me too < 1373251195 119440 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1373252101 220650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373254231 140222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373255338 566696 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373258214 696339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh: "a one-hit pony" < 1373258241 577197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "oh" stand for "overheard" or for the word "oh"? < 1373258308 717755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'overheard' in this case < 1373258384 260901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjunctions are p. good < 1373258435 168025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1373258455 68256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh: oh < 1373258585 943985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore is a bad solution to irc problems < 1373258704 136153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you say that in response to somebody i have /ignore'd? < 1373258722 746492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373258795 638534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"06:46 Ignoring ACTIONS TOPICS from is" < 1373258809 460929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good move < 1373258823 563234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is? < 1373258909 974822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what irssi responded to your fine command above < 1373258956 708155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1373259530 298512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Fourier is what makes computer tomography work. I keep finding this amazing. < 1373259530 485987 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373259538 351396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1373259567 625113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomography is the future < 1373259576 99566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yestegraphy is the past) < 1373259606 880609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Chirplet transforms are where it's at hth < 1373259665 372155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1373259726 985304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb *computed, apparently < 1373259727 173732 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373260179 421342 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373260838 562989 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373261020 143305 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373262453 31352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: `olist tomorrow? < 1373262505 704366 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimate the probability of an `olist tomorrow to be in the range [0,1] < 1373262516 845332 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373262692 266666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd like a smaller range twh < 1373262775 927305 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373262807 253560 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0,1) is probably reasonable and is a smaller range hth < 1373262819 177477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1373262842 806730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: imo that range is no smaller hth < 1373262874 898834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373262945 335055 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373263139 934308 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373263326 844037 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1373263424 433823 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373263427 582847 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you're a coward. < 1373264847 542105 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: See you next time. < 1373264934 178593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373265936 868568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373267677 299333 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373267973 653168 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373269338 56458 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373269455 627431 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373269592 89431 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373269619 118928 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373269692 266617 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373269696 941138 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373270403 269103 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373272487 158098 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373273116 87012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you have Gobby? < 1373273296 705638 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373274676 655490 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373274692 696405 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1373274697 922383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1373274731 211385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should do ion's exercises with Mu and Nu. Learn about fixed points and things. < 1373274776 210105 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember how I said that I was going to read things from the Further Reading section of this book? < 1373274784 652727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Which book? < 1373274801 956908 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no further reading section! < 1373274848 309259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:01 In Pursuit of the Unknown: 17 Equations That Changed the World by Ian Stewart < 1373274852 191363 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 equations that changed the world by Ian Stewart < 1373274856 436759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1373274874 929185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could read other books instead < 1373274953 410699 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the book is cheating- chapter 11 has 4 equations < 1373274972 348946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there 17 chapters? < 1373274979 56679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe only one of those 4 equations changed the world. < 1373275002 652012 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 17 chapters < 1373275026 647486 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Maxwell equations < 1373275054 493150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1373275066 55348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those didn't really change anything. They just described the world. < 1373275121 24259 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the title is using "changed"in a more metaphorical sense < 1373275168 456917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Newton sure did change the world. < 1373275191 633277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it hadn't been for that jerk inventing we'd still all be flying around. < 1373275225 611265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/w/gravity w/ < 1373275234 864567 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newton got two chapters to himself! < 1373275277 807222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? jerk < 1373275301 360023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think you _can_ write maxwell's equations as a single one with the appropriate 4-vector formulation. < 1373275320 792171 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fair enough < 1373275370 697662 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I reread the chapter on Fourier transforms and it seemed much nicer this time < 1373275529 368634 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i have gobby. < 1373275548 535933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no one is disputing that newton was a jerk hth < 1373275561 603616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did newton discover jerk < 1373275569 951722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible. < 1373275582 616432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt he discovered acceleration < 1373275595 828410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, galileo had that one down < 1373275607 244106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: if you want we can go through things in it in gobby, if you haven't figured everything out by now < 1373275608 523286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The progress so far. No Nu NatF yet, no conversion between anything either. https://gist.github.com/ion1/5947427 < 1373275650 180710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thanks, i’ll ask you about that later. I’ll let my nephews do some minecrafting on my computer now. < 1373275659 343385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's Blah? < 1373275686 864562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, but it let me define zero, succ' and toInt nicely in the end. :-P < 1373275706 703263 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i was thinking perhaps i’d try to define the same functions for Nu as well. < 1373275724 789867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1373275795 299016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you might be going down a misleading path. < 1373275799 834903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, an unusual path! < 1373275801 979338 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet < 1373275846 204723 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll get some help from you when i come back, but now: nephews. :-) < 1373275848 721967 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1373275856 475166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nephews < 1373275862 352258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you have nephews? < 1373275865 999938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo weird < 1373276172 328715 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1373276203 990867 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marconi developed radio on THIS VERY ISLAND!! < 1373276238 75302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the island of ... hexham? < 1373276252 814845 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wight < 1373276259 855092 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on holiday < 1373276327 293298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on < 1373276330 716015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is weird about unicode < 1373276344 31940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AA PLAYING CARD TEN OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 181768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AB PLAYING CARD JACK OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 181935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AC PLAYING CARD KNIGHT OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 182041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AD PLAYING CARD QUEEN OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 182203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AE PLAYING CARD KING OF SPADES [] < 1373276354 298669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is there something... comissing < 1373276424 653549 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, come on. That's an inequality, not an equation! < 1373276470 698167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: an equation is nothing but an isomorphism in a poset category hth < 1373276479 473431 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dS>=0 < 1373276535 664503 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you mean there are 56 and not 52? < 1373276900 528403 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373277035 969893 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, they had to leave already. I’m free. < 1373277052 652252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373277056 429249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :byephews < 1373277128 95674 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, it turns out they have a bit more time. Back to Minecraft. < 1373277155 360991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyephews < 1373277158 303265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling < 1373277457 848503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1373277608 827031 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373277728 231492 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373277917 769011 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373278444 656083 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373278633 352764 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373280063 991662 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, now they left the computer for real. < 1373280313 273119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion < 1373280450 682288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1373280485 210859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used gobby 0.5 before. < 1373280488 322958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :New protocol and everything. < 1373280562 41531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does it have undo yet? < 1373280571 172176 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently yes < 1373280601 209842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, undo is good. < 1373280663 938826 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unood < 1373280686 242543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://images.4chan.org/diy/src/1373067876565.jpg < 1373280768 170971 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinehq. “You didn't log in in the past six months to the AppDB. Please log in or your account will automatically be deleted in one month. http://appdb.winehq.org/account.php?sCmd=login” Because the SQL row takes so much disk space. < 1373280793 536465 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that means my contributions would be deleted as well? < 1373280934 296861 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373282409 32218 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373283375 258442 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373283513 609114 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373284871 212369 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373285162 537531 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373286134 525747 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373286769 879399 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373289058 764439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Emotebatch < 1373289059 808591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373289064 281857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does shubshub have a new name now < 1373291610 219088 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373291630 270185 :heroux!~heroux@5070823c.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373291646 468979 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373292039 521570 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/fisa_court < 1373293401 423516 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373293552 949324 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373294373 669670 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373294424 902801 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1373295502 919374 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373297119 413298 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373297120 772135 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373298740 623266 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373299675 296115 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373299699 483972 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zeozbscqlkcxphde QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373299771 405009 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wonavjmwqjwqylxx QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373299771 555794 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kaopipwgszwjxssi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373299986 45420 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ttzexkhnbdqalchj JOIN :#esoteric < 1373300156 25577 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373300987 943893 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301053 33461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's weird how the way you write a static method in Rust is you just don't have a parameter named 'self' < 1373301075 905394 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301181 278005 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1373301293 177930 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301374 975726 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itlnentpknjmqovs JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301421 70207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301423 986241 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301752 905933 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373302114 305084 :heroux!~heroux@5070823c.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373302215 328077 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373302801 566933 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373302864 980796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone used digitalocean.com? seems like I could get twice the RAM and disk space and 1.5x the transfer for the same price I am paying for Linode now < 1373302869 238645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me a bit suspicious :P < 1373302923 565906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since linode are famous enough that I've heard of them, it would make sense for them to be overpriced < 1373303004 818751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they don't have IPv6 and I would have to deal with US latency for IRC < 1373303078 615499 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373303121 472037 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373303151 735056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone i know uses this. http://afterburst.com/unmetered-vps < 1373303197 500307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's less RAM than I have now and I think I've heard bad things about OpenVZ? < 1373303214 458678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Tilaa these days, which I've probably mentioned. (But I'm not using it for anything, so I can't say all that much about it.) < 1373303216 179290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I want to move off Linode partially because of the security issues, but I am lazy enough that I don't really want to do so for worse performance < 1373303238 272438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I think I was going to look at them < 1373303300 527882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is hard if you don't know how much a euro is < 1373303336 85570 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373303359 719054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, 4 gigs of RAM for 17 pounds a month? this pricing is weird < 1373303414 74735 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1373303427 182703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi katla < 1373303491 140358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they've removed the traffic restrictions? < 1373303493 849936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that. < 1373303512 223192 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.click2houston.com/news/kfc-threatens-lawsuit-over-hitler-chicken-restaurant/-/1735978/20875398/-/2clb8u/-/index.html < 1373303517 614241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a quota for outgoing stuff. < 1373303540 524667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: c.c < 1373303540 870338 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.c < 1373303541 60909 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c < 1373303545 670334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the extra-cheap 256M plan they've apparently stopped selling. < 1373303562 949618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- since you just can't be very productive with just 256Mb of RAM or 10GB of disk space --" < 1373303570 667328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me but I'm being very productive! < 1373303574 122356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the servers? < 1373303583 993554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere around Amsterdam. < 1373303600 462218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm thinking their pricing is because of DRUGZ.) < 1373303605 891428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373303608 881541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I thought digitalocean sounded too good to be true but this seems rather implausibly cheap even by those standards < 1373303623 620973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they do IPv6? < 1373303627 134017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373303641 956540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the ping is like < 1373303648 646965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 42 < 1373303659 244593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I have 35 ms ping to my server right now < 1373303666 40231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember it being as low as 15, maybe it's the wifi < 1373303670 462188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh < 1373303671 663102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try pinging eos.zem.fi too, I think it should answer. < 1373303676 952178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait nevermind < 1373303683 411590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reason for thinking that thinking it's wifi made no sense made no sense < 1373303702 30275 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a latency of 1.28 ms to my server. < 1373303710 945142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm, about 40 ms < 1373303715 462017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be ok < 1373303721 277264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about you let me run irssi on your server as a test :P < 1373303771 276729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, and it only costs 51 pence extra a month to go from the storage I have now to doubling the storage, with tilaa < 1373303819 723614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something slightly weird about the IPv6 stuff... as in, they configure a /96 network for each host, which is slightly iffy standards-wise -- you're not really supposed to have networks smaller than /64 -- but I guess that's not terribly important. (They also assign a single address out of a proper /64 for the server, so I don't use the optional /96.) < 1373303837 51126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the prices don't include VAT. < 1373303841 93829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, well < 1373303848 747925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I want is for esolangs.org to be accessible via IPv6 :P < 1373303855 974286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that wasn't shown very clearly.) < 1373303868 106354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this fancy dutch VAT, or < 1373303884 448553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite recall how it goes, maybe I should look up the latest invoice. < 1373303953 300454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 21% VAT, which I think isn't any Finnish rate, so I suppose it's Dutch. < 1373304004 556477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So it's not *quite* as cheap as it might appear on the first glance. Unless you've got some kind of a corporation that can buy it VAT-free.) < 1373304012 827516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so I would pay a pound extra to quadruple my RAM < 1373304014 954176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty good < 1373304077 78691 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1373304084 47041 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a catch < 1373304103 209374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the catch is I have to use a VPS provider recommended to me by a speech recognition researcher < 1373304116 341128 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1373304120 714526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk if that's worth it < 1373304151 715700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENLARGE YOUR RAM 400% TODAY < 1373304171 65118 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :300%, kmc < 1373304173 625485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 < 1373304180 278583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a VPS version of http://downloadmoreram.com < 1373304196 146940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget http://downloadmoreram.com/server.ram < 1373304196 759173 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up < 1373304223 960860 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISS < 1373304251 263968 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? It might be down. < 1373304318 25755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iss.astroviewer.net/ says it's somewhere above the Atlantic Ocean at the moment. < 1373304321 114060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the image is to scale? http://www.isstracker.com/ < 1373304337 115849 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's up < 1373304345 637072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess it's probably down wrt most of us) < 1373304383 128754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh kmc and maybe anyone else: I linked this to bike the other day but maybe you might like it too < 1373304385 806569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That's no moon! < 1373304386 301283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wearedata.watchdogs.com/start.php?locale=en-EN&city=london < 1373304407 704133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a watch_dogs-style visualization of london made entirely out of public data (tweets, traffic lights, demographic data, building locations, etc) < 1373304445 450739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking camera controls < 1373304448 949875 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti- < 1373304459 639113 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora's such a corporate shill < 1373304461 731850 :nortti-!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1373304470 266830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I am actually paid by ubisoft to promote their games < 1373304472 140352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1373304479 820359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be .kmz files that put the ISS into Google Earth. < 1373304480 723608 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but seriously the game looked really cool okay) < 1373304492 861144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, show it in the software; not files that ram the station to the Earth owned by Google.) < 1373304517 106982 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1373304518 512552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for that important clarification, fizzie < 1373304588 830955 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1373304592 129767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiii! < 1373304618 879453 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope youre having a good day < 1373304659 808095 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I played some kingdom hearts and went to work so I guess it's okay so far < 1373304768 879296 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine that at work you quickly switch between irc and kingdom hearts and your actual work whenever a manager walks by < 1373304785 932270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a BOSS KEY. < 1373304813 535352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in the good old days, games had a BOSS KEY that switched from the game screen to some generic "boring spreadsheet and bar plots" screen. < 1373304821 635968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least one game did. < 1373304836 653692 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, N has that too, mostly as a joke probably < 1373304837 388387 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play kingdom hearts at work xD < 1373304859 643471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh sure < 1373304864 316725 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1373304872 363394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.switched.com/2010/03/08/cant-you-see-im-busy-game-cleverly-disguises-your-procrastin/ the first image is the craftiest. < 1373304883 761117 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing game at work sounds like a good way to add tension & heighten the experience to a whole new level < 1373304908 717659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tension of being at work or the tension of playing a game < 1373304910 743450 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, if you play it right, kingdom hearts is basically a horror game < 1373304955 643362 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the beauty is if you do it right they are one and the same < 1373305585 301977 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373306071 484028 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. < 1373306144 517302 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306162 588039 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306255 190859 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1373306770 425982 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgykrscmvaumwbes JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306777 358522 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306830 394259 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:e172:4909:fd21:f761 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373307325 598879 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:e172:4909:fd21:f761 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373307705 738683 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373307958 204393 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373307972 86841 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373309228 747592 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373310455 653206 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373311217 257765 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1373311282 716239 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373311285 226221 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7HhYE_ddtQ&feature=youtu.be < 1373311867 514941 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373312021 620450 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373312066 779553 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373312185 664089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: you are GOMADWarrior right? < 1373312200 697426 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373312228 552641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:~/.irssi/logs/freenode/#esoteric$ grep 186.222.47.192 *.log < 1373312228 703319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-07.log:00:18:42 9/-?/!9/-g ;/GOMADWarriorg 8/[g3/bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192g8/]g has joined c#esotericc < 1373312231 560213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-07.log:00:38:43 9/-?/!9/-g 3/GOMADWarriorg 8/[gbade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.1928/]g has left c#esotericc 8/[g8/]g < 1373312234 579421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-08.log:20:21:22 9/-?/!9/-g ;/asdfasd_g 8/[g3/bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192g8/]g has joined c#esotericc < 1373312237 579611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: are you sure? < 1373312246 251047 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1373312248 45075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also (a video of) the same game you've linked here several times in the past. < 1373312297 968113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: well, because I figure you're using another name so people don't realise it's you, so you can continue using the channel solely to talk about irrelevant things that nobody has expressed any interest in (e.g. trolling other channels, which already got you banned once). your denial seems to confirm that < 1373312330 490067 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant? you're calling my game irrelevant? < 1373312332 919648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have another plausible interpretation I'm open to considering it < 1373312402 772875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's certainly off-topic, which is of course not necessarily a blocker to talking about it in #esoteric. but the only time it has come up here has seemingly been in linking it out of the blue and asking random questions about it that nobody seems interested in < 1373312416 47988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't be a problem in itself, but combined with your other behaviour I find it a little dubious... < 1373312555 359874 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373312562 372091 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373312566 523990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1373312698 672497 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373312706 57608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: actually it seems you are still in the ban list as 189.34.44.144 so I guess you have just been ban evading for however long? < 1373312721 397759 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that guy < 1373312742 147740 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373312745 690281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-06-24.log:07:21:47 ^D9/-^D?/!^D9/-^Dg ^D3/asdfasd^Dg is now known as ^D;/GOMADWarrior^Dg < 1373312748 693584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are < 1373312757 707241 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. < 1373312757 960086 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you're doing it in other channels. < 1373312763 238062 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373312763 692149 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312768 311854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :*!*bade2fc0@*.186.222.47.192 > 1373312768 335091 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312768 462300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric asdfasd_ :asdfasd_ < 1373312776 486406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :GOMADWarrior*!*@* > 1373312776 511092 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312783 89889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373312783 111985 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312786 332187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaay don't evade bans < 1373312793 14191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I suppose I don't really have to ask what < 1373312802 506433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I should ban this nick too I guess < 1373312809 883551 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_ < 1373312814 314816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if another "asdfasd" might conceivably be innocent, whatever < 1373312815 804126 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a name -_- < 1373312816 890639 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwhat < 1373312817 90886 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on... elliott has op? < 1373312819 981704 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373312820 4302 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312826 349655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :asdfasd!*@* > 1373312826 369245 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312828 194737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :asdfasd_!*@* > 1373312828 219128 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312829 658256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373312829 676143 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312838 906292 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: he took power in a recent coup < 1373312848 491565 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you banned someone and he used webchat? clever ;) < 1373312857 168850 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you notice oerjan's decaying corpse < 1373312868 864466 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does the term "Hamming distance" come from? < 1373312878 497011 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham < 1373312887 775741 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: mathematicians who like to joke about binary vectors a lot < 1373312898 873968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so rust lets you do something like template specialization, e.g. struct ScriptView; struct Node { ... }; impl Node { ... } < 1373312899 157420 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Hamming, I think < 1373312902 767950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: kmc stole my reveal on that one < 1373312907 113960 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamming's a cool guy. he has a lecture series on youtube. < 1373312908 576295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which I can never forgive him < 1373312915 484922 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talks about inventing coding theory and stuff. < 1373312924 272715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamming windows, Hamming matrix, Hamming numbers, Hamming distance, Hamming bound, Hamming code < 1373312929 541484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the methods defined in that 'impl' block will only be available for Node < 1373312931 677457 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamming name scheme < 1373312950 406133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's really hogging so many of these names in math and CS < 1373312950 556714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo uses phantom types in this way to restrict what layout vs. JS can do to the DOM < 1373312953 460556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. cool < 1373312975 776670 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike I should watch that < 1373312980 276670 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if I can be bothered < 1373312991 913805 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not realise there was a mister Hamming < 1373312994 794733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i couldn't be. < 1373313004 617544 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too busy watching lewontin *biology solidarity* < 1373313025 209984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn I just realised he has another name < 1373313027 692185 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373313027 714924 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373313030 445105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :Regis*!*@* > 1373313030 468254 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373313032 83708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373313032 106926 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373313036 652837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, trolls should stick to one name. < 1373313067 203194 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FF649D0C4407B30 < 1373313078 930701 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, also, i'd like never watch the AI ones :V < 1373313270 300170 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373313278 808988 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373313298 856138 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what happened there... < 1373313311 495244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pinged out < 1373313315 891638 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373313322 68424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pikhq < 1373313382 747429 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone turned itself off... < 1373313435 821622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think of that < 1373313487 75328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't understand what Node has to do with it there < 1373313492 502642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it meant to be Node < 1373313573 969989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :View is a parameter and ScriptView is a specific instantiation < 1373313578 488750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think that's what's going on < 1373313591 493525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just struct Node really < 1373313601 660452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a phantom parameter anyway so it's not used in the body of the struct < 1373313639 340252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373313646 832145 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust scares < 1373313648 100864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should use lowercase type variables!! < 1373313649 193679 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me < 1373313679 769325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered writing a horror story about rust < 1373313736 597310 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I exclusively write action-adventure < 1373313744 231529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :action-adventure-horror story about rust < 1373313750 567795 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ < 1373313761 876379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even "action-adventure-horror" isn't good enough. < 1373313986 473605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373313992 660627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need to have that argument with gomadwarrior < 1373314007 857664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he literally linked it in #haskell < 1373314013 505967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that was a few minutes into the argument < 1373314116 25109 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just figuratively linked it in #esoteric < 1373314118 611159 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1373314183 124909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :set fire to flames < 1373314333 170325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooool http://lwn.net/Articles/452035/ Android lets you map memory and tell the kernel "hey i'm just using this for a cache, feel free to toss it if memory is tight" < 1373314358 211033 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's kind of cool < 1373314377 551585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense because every program ever written has like 50 layers of caching < 1373314418 340541 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :madvise didn’t let you do that? < 1373314439 693960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1373314445 902631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wouldn't really be "advice" although iirc not all madvise thingies are < 1373314451 388352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need some way for the kernel to tell you "oh hey I threw away your memory" < 1373314463 94421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a callback < 1373314474 497434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, AshMem handles that with an ioctl that you call to "pin" and "un-pin" memory < 1373314501 662891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, if you unpin it, it can disappear at any time? < 1373314512 626198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: clearly you just catch SIGSEGV < 1373314516 52747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you try to access it < 1373314526 255729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... that sounds terrible XD < 1373314539 820776 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADV_DONTNEED: Do not expect access in the near future. (For the time being, the application is finished with the given range, so the kernel can free resources associated with it.) Subsequent accesses of pages in this range will succeed, but will result either in reloading of the memory contents from the underlying mapped file (see mmap(2)) or zero-fill-on-demand pages for mappings without an < 1373314541 180368 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :underlying file. < 1373314556 653941 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's different from actually throwing it away, that involves paging it to disk, right? < 1373314568 809729 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that but with slightly different semantics would probably work. < 1373314605 680987 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1373314715 265805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1373314729 766008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem that in some use cases, you could just check for the page having been zeroeed < 1373314848 781384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that feels like it might be dangerous... < 1373314858 653414 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, let's say the kernel does a context switch in the middle of your cache access code < 1373314864 143337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it comes back, the data is zeroed < 1373314867 511799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373314875 591753 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't, like, mutex the kernel < 1373314891 117876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need to load the whole cache item into registers or non-disappearing memory, and then check if it's zero < 1373314902 468825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be hard to use correctly esp. with compiler optimizations < 1373314920 578049 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to load it atomically, < 1373314921 838053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373314923 113058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: Send a patch for lock_kernel(), unlock_kernel() to Linus. < 1373314929 227798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1373314930 729164 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1373314948 423734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iopl(3); asm("cli"); // problem solved < 1373314987 732100 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iopl? < 1373315077 282776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a system call on x86 linux that gives a (root privileged) userspace program permission to access IO ports directly < 1373315099 562246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes the ability to disable interrupts, for some reason < 1373315129 586073 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373315134 513473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that require sudo? < 1373315148 591901 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“(root privileged)” < 1373315168 588437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now! CAP_SYS_RAWIO-privileged! < 1373315172 696065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373315190 563923 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s “root” privileged FSVO “root”. ;-) < 1373315207 652678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagining fizzie sitting in a corner waving a flag labelled "capabilities" while being ignored < 1373315214 644251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there are two kinds of POSIX capabilities: the ones that are entirely useless and the ones that can be trivially escalated to root < 1373315240 227722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this system call is possible because the x86 has separate flag bits for IO privileges vs. memory/other privileges < 1373315253 995610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in theory means you can have, like, a microkernel in ring 0 and drivers in ring 1/2 and userspace in ring 3 < 1373315258 935351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice nobody does this ever < 1373315271 897207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now, OS/2. < 1373315274 401046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the reason that nobody uses rings 1 and 2? < 1373315287 521942 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone still use OS/2? < 1373315290 532623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be because, you should have a system call override interface, instead, it might help better than capabilities system in some cases. < 1373315295 657011 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BeOS? < 1373315332 572340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think it's because most kernels are designed to be vaguely portable, and so they only use hardware features that are common across many architectures < 1373315339 655043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are still people fiddling on Haiku. < 1373315347 657315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen does use ring 1 for paravirt guest kernel, I believe < 1373315348 29711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that counts as being a BeOS user. < 1373315358 177218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And OS/2 uses ring 2 for some privileged code. < 1373315360 228781 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ahhhh. so most architectures don't have an equivalent? < 1373315367 376166 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. just kernel and non-kernel code?) < 1373315369 481551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373315431 736025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with x86 segmentation — it can be used to do some cool things, but there's no equivalent on other architectures < 1373315434 287405 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373315439 971396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what surprises me about Haiku is that they like, do actual funding < 1373315443 811649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense, especially given how insane itis < 1373315446 411325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is putting money into Haiku????? < 1373315452 889034 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does... does that mean you can't do, like, Native Client on ARM? < 1373315465 147536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they have some other way to do NaCl things on ARM, maybe < 1373315483 326635 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373315489 736772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have NaCl ports for non-i386. < 1373315510 445514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do the segmentation tricks on x86-64 while in long mode either, after all. < 1373315548 901949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google, apparently. < 1373315557 901285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but why < 1373315569 990542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (They're in the $5000-$9999 bin of 2013's public-sponsors list.) < 1373315574 901521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the harder question. < 1373315603 563421 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m reminded of AmigaOS’ Disable() for disabling interrupts and Forbid() for only disabling task scheduling. < 1373315647 664903 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm remembering OSs class and writing mutexes by disabling interrrupts < 1373315652 265031 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and feeling like a very terrible person < 1373315703 724276 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373315735 129575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 disable interrupts everyday < 1373315753 214327 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373315943 23291 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was looking at the new Amiga at the weekend (and also the new MorphOS) < 1373316061 267057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the logic behind IOPL controlling interrupts might be to synchronize io port access across threads < 1373316073 540615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pio stuff could have timing constraints that break if interrupts happen? < 1373316096 556325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nothing else, you could just use your io privileges to disable the interrupt controller < 1373316120 127787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a new amiga? < 1373316216 880534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well you can also have a bitmask of which io ports you're allowed to use < 1373316225 482937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the details but it's pretty janky < 1373316245 876988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the port bitmap is quite straight-forward though < 1373316285 140491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw actual capabilities systems are cool and nothing like the travesty of POSIX capabilities < 1373316302 243389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: @ has them, therefore it is obvious that they are cool < 1373316309 191560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is trivial < 1373316493 648858 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373316981 648585 :atriq!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373316981 799932 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373317001 193495 :atriq!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1373317155 555527 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373317429 536172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :capabilities is like EROS, right < 1373317989 650804 :impomatic!~john_metc@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373318038 964075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like RAMAZZOTTI, right. < 1373318047 942363 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373318206 415092 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence [["FI", "RAMA"], ["ZZ"], ["IE", "OTTI"]] < 1373318207 367117 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["FI","ZZ","IE"],["FI","ZZ","OTTI"],["RAMA","ZZ","IE"],["RAMA","ZZ","OTTI"]] < 1373318211 748286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think POSIX "caps" are entirely like "real" "caps" you'd find in something as fancy as a research OS. < 1373318222 845367 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . map join . sequence $ [["FI", "RAMA"], ["ZZ"], ["IE", "OTTI"]] < 1373318223 708257 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "FIZZIE FIZZOTTI RAMAZZIE RAMAZZOTTI" < 1373318309 633598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's my full name. < 1373318377 351225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suspect they are entirely unlike those caps < 1373318667 282050 :sacre!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373318732 41585 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373319598 371706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm, I didn't know that. < 1373319641 734872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :til. < 1373319666 114055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goeschaf < 1373319777 61674 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo shachaf and kmc < 1373319820 890170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1373319828 969637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → bike → mozilla < 1373319846 792127 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice being employed again < 1373320005 802746 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373320117 857404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :byeegan < 1373321221 654161 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373321334 365762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hion < 1373321381 923095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the next exercises (kind of tricky) are to write inMu :: Functor f => f (Mu f) -> Mu f, outMu :: Functor f => Mu f -> f (Mu f), and the same for Nu. < 1373321386 954265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe there are other exercises first. < 1373321418 78313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a sort of exercise: Nu Maybe is "bigger" than Mu Maybe. Figure out a Nu Maybe value that isn't in Mu Maybe. < 1373321746 141345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define Mu and Nu and then we will see about that. < 1373321761 973541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = Mu { runMu :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r } < 1373321768 313527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nu x = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1373321796 344399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fix f = Fix { runFix :: f (Fix f) } < 1373321804 746223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/data/newtype/ for that last one. < 1373321821 814003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean Nu f instead of Nu x isn't it? < 1373321856 1850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, yes. < 1373321865 807416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1373322104 685776 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373322124 508852 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the diffrence :/ < 1373322138 404444 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Nu < 1373322139 81892 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Nu' < 1373322149 213289 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you gotta give a talk < 1373322153 39748 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be the best talk < 1373322167 950463 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373322375 566420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would i even talk about though < 1373322557 664304 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was a whole article about type-level fix < 1373322562 758579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to talk about impossible things. < 1373322576 643188 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic things like data vs. codata < 1373322585 87144 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative vs positive positions in types < 1373322606 650265 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturals via Mu and Nu is not immediately intuitive < 1373322651 312698 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I suppose, the entire talk may well be about data vs. codata, and why it can be useful to separate them, even if Haskell doesn't (or is good to separate them? I don't know). < 1373322719 592303 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though lists and colists are very similar, why you might use lists in one circumstance and colists in another < 1373322735 610038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe someone who actually knows about that should talk about it :'( < 1373322737 907013 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr vs unfoldr. < 1373322742 751584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know much about it. < 1373322802 385538 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that interesting article about solving AST typing using fixpoint types < 1373322879 475807 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373323012 725791 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the difference between Nu and Mu < 1373323035 7844 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell syntax is way too complicated, everything should use GADT < 1373323143 802671 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, GADT definitions of Mu and Nu might be nice < 1373323148 652754 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do they kind of conversion myself < 1373323150 774356 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1373323254 265850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell syntax is complicated; they should make everything to use macros. < 1373323279 707908 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell syntax is complicated, they should make everything use semicolons < 1373323381 329046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glaswegian Algebraic Data Type < 1373323429 360890 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell syntax is complicated; they should replace it with XML. < 1373324617 56919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to answer your question about Servo's user agent: it doesn't have one < 1373324629 527393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting the gordian knot as it were < 1373324644 476514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it just not send one < 1373324647 493894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sends "GET / HTTP/1.0\r\nHost: example.com\r\n\r\n" < 1373324650 227664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.0 [sic] < 1373324660 745104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't that get it filtered a ton < 1373324664 302991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1373324681 577479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it will get through Gogo Inflight Wifi paywall! (sort of) < 1373324697 423707 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do those paywalls work? < 1373324702 628625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'll worry about that after I get it to run without crashing < 1373324713 402118 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of curious, I've always wondered < 1373324719 946849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of different kinds < 1373324737 581216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a ksplice blog post about this!!! < 1373324751 919679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/coffee_shop_internet_access < 1373324781 445180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Jessica McKellar who is pretty cool < 1373324786 435193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more recently she wrote a book about Twisted < 1373324791 300985 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads! < 1373324794 160357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the python network framework thingy < 1373324809 201962 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice blog is very cool < 1373324820 229241 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they deleted some entries when they got acquired by Oracle, I think :( < 1373324828 74920 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least didn't restore all of them < 1373324840 563545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they've been slowly reimporting them to the new blog engine < 1373324844 893195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're mostly/all up now? < 1373324853 453821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't hear of anything being censored by The Man < 1373324905 690451 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay, good... unlike when OKCupid was acquired. < 1373324910 825911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lololol < 1373324919 834078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had to remove all the posts about how their acquirer was bad < 1373324927 504957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I believe the Gogo one does a combination of IP based filtering, and HTTP Host: header based filtering for certain IPs that they allow pre-payment < 1373324957 303307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter includes some Google servers, so you can run your own proxy on Google App Engine and evade the filter that way, if you just don't send Host: < 1373324963 875625 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, that is a form of censorship, temporarily withholding info < 1373324971 588700 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a form of time constraints < 1373324996 438310 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really cool! what would happen though if you tried to use https instead of http? would it be able to redirect you? < 1373325027 474991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: only if deliberate < 1373325039 883930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just didn't have time to import everything into oracle's shit-tastic blog software < 1373325054 560109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: generally no < 1373325114 371643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky for captive portal operators (and attackers), users ~never type "https://" themselves < 1373325122 875734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it's supposed to work in the HSTS world, though < 1373325138 288595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google operator plays a little ping pong < 1373325139 633013 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBU4Py5cPg < 1373325139 783492 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Operator Plays A Little Ping Pong - YouTube < 1373325149 935333 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1373325466 256116 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373326269 85436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION currently watching https://github.com/mozilla/servo/wiki/Videos-and-presentations < 1373326445 939207 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Servo the best? < 1373326474 69385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet ;P < 1373326485 571402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't gotten the kmc touch < 1373326545 92617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373326643 155382 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yo peeps i found a security hole, the jit we use for fast gif rendering can be used with that css overflow to execute arbitrary assembly code, as long as it looks like Spanish text" < 1373326732 244552 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, it's bullshit that I have to be logged in to access https://air.mozilla.org/fireside-chat-3/ < 1373326758 964627 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for real < 1373326830 64328 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't got time to make accounts or acquire access < 1373326948 198783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a job at mozilla then < 1373327104 885437 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way man < 1373327108 779464 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to liberate the data < 1373327118 407541 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data wants to be free! < 1373327140 455385 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata wants to be cofree < 1373327498 878501 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moos < 1373327566 75249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowpumpkin < 1373327591 942570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyonwritepumpkin < 1373327655 732002 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373327665 754544 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cohi < 1373327756 886270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fun fact: Servo parses images using stb_image.c which the author explicitly says is not for untrusted images (and the Servo team is aware of this, too) < 1373327763 49792 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not interestd in this stupid prorgamming language shit5 < 1373327829 55958 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of exploits can you hide in image metadata anyway < 1373327848 112169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffer overflows are common in image parsers < 1373327853 167691 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms04-028 < 1373327856 377373 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one? < 1373327894 918097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of image parsers someone emailed me and wants me to make my gif thing good instead of bad :'( < 1373327949 3577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1373327950 795716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have code < 1373327972 512205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, programming well is clearly impossible