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00:02:32 <Bike> Sgeo_: does the byond on linux work, also why does SS13 say windows only help
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00:09:20 <nooodl> congratulation elliott
00:10:17 <shachaf> i bet armikrog will have a v. good soundtrack if it manages to get >$200,000 in the next 63 hours
00:11:44 <Phantom_Hoover> maybe you'd be better off doing that in #moremoneythansense
00:11:51 <kmc> is that a r. channel
00:12:04 <shachaf> d. w. j. u. a. n.?
00:12:15 <kmc> ꙮ.
00:12:28 <shachaf> ꙭ.
00:13:02 <shachaf> Ꙭ.
00:13:27 <kmc> ꙭ + ꙭ + ꙭ + ꙩ = ꙮ
00:14:22 <kmc> multiocular O doesn't have majiscule and miniscule versions?
00:14:29 <kmc> majuscule*
00:14:51 <shachaf> can there be a multiocular o that isn't majuscule
00:14:53 <Sgeo_> Bike, a non-graphical version works on Linux
00:14:55 <kmc> i don't know
00:15:17 <Sgeo_> So in theory you can play if you don't mind just letters, I _think_. Also depends how well the game supports that mode
00:15:40 <shachaf> I don't mind just letters, but the unjust ones (like w) are a problem.
00:15:53 <Bike> what the hell is the point of that.
00:16:27 <Sgeo_> I could be misremembering
00:16:48 <Sgeo_> But anyway, if a game doesn't support it, I think the letters default to being based off internal names of the types
00:16:59 <Sgeo_> e.g. /turf/grass might show up as g
00:17:00 <Sgeo_> iirc
00:17:26 <Sgeo_> This could all be obsolete, incidentally
00:17:33 <Sgeo_> WINE is probably a better bet
00:18:15 <Sgeo_> Although there's a builtin HTML renderer, I don't know if that uses IE rendering engine internally
00:19:13 <Bike> ueueugh there goes any hope of playing it
00:19:30 <Sgeo_> WINE doesn't have a mock IE layout engine?
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00:20:39 <Bike> no, wine won't work for me.
00:22:11 <Sgeo_> Oh :(
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00:51:18 <shachaf> kmc: today i saw a laptop with a screen on the lid
00:51:26 <shachaf> imo what's going on with that
00:51:38 <kmc> weird
00:51:39 <kmc> what did it do
00:52:07 <shachaf> it showed things
00:52:08 <shachaf> mostly pixels
00:52:27 <shachaf> i think it was this: http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/taichi.htm
00:53:05 <kmc> fun
00:53:47 <shachaf> also i saw windows 8 "more like weirdos 8"
00:53:51 <shachaf> the joke is that it's weird
00:54:34 <shachaf> reminds me of windows 3.11
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00:59:58 <shachaf> area man not in fact an idiot
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01:05:10 <kmc> lol
01:05:16 <kmc> Area Man Still Has Voice
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01:07:04 <Sgeo_> Do you ever get the feeling that sometimes The Onion's goal is to trick people into thinking that it's real, rather than to poke fun at stuff?
01:07:10 <Sgeo_> At least some articles seem like that
01:07:54 <Fiora> http://www.theonion.com/articles/markets-in-turmoil-as-price-of-money-skyrockets-to,32939/ This one was great, I think
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01:44:30 <shachaf> The trouble with Rust is that half the code you find is so outdated that it's a syntax error.
01:45:39 <kmc> is that better or worse than Haskell, where half the code you find is an import or type error
01:46:56 <shachaf> yes
01:47:01 <shachaf> hth
01:47:20 <shachaf> how do i manage to use int::range :'(
01:48:18 <elliott> ask future kmc
01:48:24 <elliott> he'll be a rust expert!!
01:49:16 <shachaf> can future kmc be a time machine expert instead
01:50:03 <kmc> would prefer both
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02:26:47 <elliott> kmc: someone on #haskell mentioned the idea of doing a simple-as-possible translation of core/stg/cmm/whatever to lua
02:26:50 <elliott> so you can luajit it
02:26:53 <kmc> yes
02:26:57 <kmc> do that, report back w/ findings
02:27:06 <kmc> asm.lua
02:27:24 <elliott> I was hoping you would do it so I wouldn't have to :(
02:27:30 <kmc> don't want to
02:27:48 <elliott> harsh
02:27:53 <kmc> but fair
02:28:11 <shachaf> kmc: p. sure you'll find that anything that involves elliott doing more work is unfair
02:28:25 <elliott> kmc: <#haskell person> imageine <meta dotailcalls/>
02:28:39 <kmc> parse error
02:28:56 <Bike> i've always wanted tail calls in html.
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02:34:35 <RainbowUnicorn> "The channel for "special" people |"
02:34:41 <RainbowUnicorn> define "special"
02:34:47 <kmc> you define it
02:34:53 <Bike_> spec anal
02:34:59 <shachaf> `relcome RainbowUnicorn
02:35:00 <kmc> ;_;
02:35:03 <HackEgo> RainbowUnicorn: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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02:36:53 <RainbowUnicorn> oh i see
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02:37:08 <RainbowUnicorn> does anyone here know brainfuck?
02:37:16 <kmc> many of us
02:37:20 <Bike> everybody here knows brainfuck.
02:37:23 <RainbowUnicorn> o.O
02:37:30 <RainbowUnicorn> wow
02:37:33 <RainbowUnicorn> is it hard?
02:37:39 <RainbowUnicorn> i was looking at it
02:37:41 <kmc> not that hard compared to many esoteric languages
02:37:50 <Bike> yeah it's pretty easy to learn.
02:37:57 <RainbowUnicorn> ok cool
02:37:58 <kmc> brainfuck isn't really designed to be difficult, so much as designed to be very simple and have a simple compiler
02:37:58 <Bike> !bf_txtgen !bf_txtgen
02:38:02 <EgoBot> ​109 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>.>-.++++.>----.+++++++++++++++++++++.++++.----.<+.--.>------.>-. [344]
02:38:20 <RainbowUnicorn> ..?
02:38:21 <elliott> I can't actually write programs that do useful things in brainfuck
02:38:25 <Fiora> !bfjoust !bf_txtgen
02:38:25 <EgoBot> ​Use: !bfjoust <program name> <program> . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/
02:38:29 <Fiora> oh, you can't do that.
02:38:31 <elliott> or useless things. truly, I am a fraud
02:38:33 <kmc> it's difficult because there are so few concepts in the language, but those concepts are pretty familiar ones for most programmers
02:38:53 <RainbowUnicorn> oh cool
02:38:59 <elliott> Fiora: Bike's command actually just generated a program that outputs "!bf_txtgen", there's no nesting of commands in EgoBot
02:39:04 <Fiora> Oh.
02:39:09 <Bike> i;m creative
02:39:10 <shachaf> kmc: i heard that 98% of programmers die when they hear the word "pointer" though
02:39:18 <RainbowUnicorn> so, how would you do: int a, int b, int c = a+b
02:39:20 <kmc> have also heard
02:39:22 <RainbowUnicorn> then output int c
02:39:24 <Gregor> I would change my nick to "TwilightSpockle"
02:39:26 <Gregor> But alas
02:39:27 <elliott> @@ @run (@run text "2 + 2")
02:39:29 <lambdabot> 4
02:39:29 <Gregor> I am the lazy.
02:39:34 <elliott> lambdabot does command nesting though!
02:39:37 <Bike> RainbowUnicorn: that's not legal c even. i couldn't guess
02:39:43 <Fiora> trying to do addition in bf sounds really difficult...
02:39:44 <kmc> RainbowUnicorn: if you google "brainfuck addition" you will find many results
02:39:47 <RainbowUnicorn> in brainfuck
02:39:50 <Bike> Fiora: nah it's not that bad
02:39:54 <RainbowUnicorn> oh ok
02:39:57 <kmc> you decrement one cell and increment the other in a loop
02:40:01 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms <-- our fine page on the subject
02:40:08 <kmc> it destroys the first value
02:40:09 <shachaf> is that our only pge on the subject
02:40:10 <Fiora> that only works if your numbers fit in 8-bit, right?
02:40:13 <kmc> yeah
02:40:15 <Fiora> and then, like, you'll somehow have to print it
02:40:29 <elliott> yeah decimal conversion is... a lot more difficult
02:40:29 <Bike> wait what's the cell size ot to do with it
02:40:50 <elliott> though not particularly long given http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms#Divmod_algorithm, probably
02:43:26 <RainbowUnicorn> o.o
02:43:40 <RainbowUnicorn> lol, i might actually learn this language
02:44:46 <kmc> it's fun
02:44:56 <RainbowUnicorn> :D
02:45:05 <RainbowUnicorn> it looks... interesting
02:45:15 <kmc> brainfuck has kind of a poor reputation here because of the number of people who make a trivial variation on brainfuck and try to pass it off as a new interesting esolang
02:45:19 <Bike> tell us if you find the shortest way to print out 28187
02:45:28 <kmc> but brainfuck itself is a fine language
02:45:36 <shachaf> "teach yourself brainfuck in 31 seconds"
02:46:14 <RainbowUnicorn> ^?
02:46:32 <Bike> joke
02:46:39 <RainbowUnicorn> oh ok
02:46:55 <shachaf> "teach yourself drugz in 31 seconds"
02:47:01 <shachaf> (drugz joke)
02:47:04 <kmc> RainbowUnicorn: other esolangs I recommend checking out: Befunge, Unlambda, Lazy K, Piet
02:47:11 <kmc> others here can suggest a lot more
02:47:11 <Bike> probably you've seen "Teach yourself C++ in 21 days" or "Teach yourself Prolog in 24 hours" sorts of books
02:47:13 <elliott> shachaf: I don't know why I laughed
02:47:29 <shachaf> elliott: because drugz jokes are funny
02:47:36 <elliott> kmc: you should add Underload to your list
02:47:53 <kmc> RainbowUnicorn: you might also like BF Joust which is a 2-player programming game based on Brainfuck: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust
02:47:55 <Bike> yeah underload is good.
02:48:02 <elliott> that isn't a statement about what you should tell people so much as a statement that you should become an underload fan because it's great
02:48:04 <kmc> it has very deep strategy http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies
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02:49:20 <RainbowUnicorn> i was just looking through the algorithm thing for BF
02:49:22 <RainbowUnicorn> neat
02:49:32 <kmc> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome is another interesting, unimplemented lang
02:51:10 <RainbowUnicorn> hmm
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02:51:32 <shachaf> `goodbye
02:51:34 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: goodbye: not found
02:51:39 <shachaf> roodbye
02:51:40 <shachaf> rudebye
02:51:44 <elliott> so uh... what are the odds on them coming back
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02:51:52 <Bike> i'd say six
02:52:05 <kmc> six over pi squared
02:52:08 <shachaf> Bike: uhh
02:52:13 <shachaf> Bike: those are evens
02:52:19 <shachaf> maybe you meant five or seven
02:52:40 <shachaf> hi mnoqy
02:52:57 <mnoqy> hi
02:53:04 <shachaf> hi
02:55:28 <kmc> #esoteric: where even "hi" is a complicated in-joke
02:57:24 <elliott> kmc: your + balances out your name really well
02:57:29 <elliott> I thought you should know
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02:58:38 <shachaf> imo kmc should be dethroned
02:58:40 <shachaf> and devoiced
02:58:48 <Fiora> but I like listening to his voice
02:59:04 <Bike>
03:01:27 <elliott> whoa. I have no idea what kmc's voice sounds like. I have no idea what kmc looks like
03:01:34 <elliott> actually I think kmc looks basically like edwardk in my head
03:01:43 <Bike> do you know what edwardk looks like
03:02:09 <Fiora> I assume he's tall and vaguely imposing
03:02:48 <Bike> + mushrooms growing in hair and shirt
03:02:57 <Fiora> and bike is standing next to him and resting on his shoulder or something
03:03:08 <Fiora> and elliott is jumping up and down waving his hands, trying to get kmc's attention
03:03:16 <Fiora> but kmc is so tall he can't see him
03:03:25 <Fiora> I truly have no idea where I'm going here
03:03:49 <Bike> no i think this is accurate
03:04:05 <shachaf> elliott: kmc doesn't look very like edwardk at all
03:04:11 <Fiora> and I'm hiding behind bike. I tink.
03:04:12 <Fiora> *think
03:04:22 <shachaf> s/very //
03:04:35 <Bike> too bad i'm basically made of skin and plastic and don't cover much area.
03:04:50 <Fiora> you have more forward-facing surface area than me!
03:05:32 <Bike> Maybe I could be wearing a wind breaker to make sure you're hidden.
03:05:49 <elliott> Bike: https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9c51a8b8afa2366a2ef4650c411f187a?s=420&d=https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com%2Fimages%2Fgravatars%2Fgravatar-user-420.png edwardk
03:05:54 <Bike> I could also present myself as large to deter predators, and envelop prey/cute girls possibly.
03:05:58 <elliott> note "420" in the URL, proof that it's also kmc
03:06:57 <Fiora> y-you're just trying to get me flustered now <.<
03:07:16 <Bike> Maybe.
03:08:08 <Fiora> biiiiike >///<
03:08:52 <Bike> I do want to go around monster-ing people like a lizard now, though.
03:09:23 <shachaf> are there any pictures of kmc on the internet
03:09:36 <shachaf> p. not
03:10:09 <Bike> pretty not??
03:10:10 <elliott> "p. not"...
03:10:31 <shachaf> "probably not"
03:10:35 <shachaf> come on disambiguate a little
03:10:39 <Bike> no you can't do that.
03:11:02 <shachaf> i p. can
03:11:05 <shachaf> p. sure no one will stop me
03:11:24 <Bike> fuck
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03:12:39 <Fiora> also bike which parts of you are plastic o_O
03:12:45 <Fiora> like where did the plastic comment come from
03:13:40 <Bike> i pretty much imagine myself as looking like http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090812195141/half-life/en/images/4/40/Stalker_ep1.jpg
03:14:13 <Fiora> <.<
03:14:34 <Bike> betcha can't prove me wrong
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03:16:20 <shachaf> Bike: oh yeah, in which axiom system
03:16:55 <elliott> Fiora: well he's a bicycle
03:17:01 <elliott> they generally contain plastic parts I think
03:17:02 <Fiora> I guess a bicycle is not good for hiding behind
03:17:04 <shachaf> Bike: are you a bicycle
03:17:21 <Bike> Ye.
03:17:22 <Fiora> still geez. you're pretty huge I thought <.<
03:17:26 <shachaf> Bike: i thought you were human
03:17:33 <Bike> No, I'm humankin.
03:17:37 <shachaf> and just used the nick Bike on irc
03:17:48 <Fiora> you said you were like 5'11" or soething. that's a pretty big bike
03:17:56 <kmc> i don't look that much like edwardk
03:18:01 <kmc> i have short hair and i'm not as big
03:18:03 <Bike> a bicycle built for nine~
03:18:13 <shachaf> i bet Bike is a victorian bicycle
03:18:27 <Bike> a penny farthing? i'm not that old fashioned.
03:18:36 <shachaf> yes, that
03:18:48 <kmc> more like penny farting
03:18:49 <elliott> edwardk has short hair
03:18:53 <kmc> does he
03:18:57 <kmc> i have poor memory
03:19:00 <elliott> any hair shorter than mine is short
03:19:00 <kmc> i thought he had, like, a ponytail
03:19:02 <shachaf> kmc: he shaved his beard
03:19:07 <kmc> ok
03:19:08 <shachaf> and removed a lot of hair
03:19:12 <elliott> it would have to be a long ponytail to count
03:19:16 <shachaf> a lot of it is back now
03:19:33 <kmc> I think of myself as looking like a pretty stereotypical programmer... kinda pudgy white guy wearing a tshirt and cargo pants
03:19:49 <shachaf> kmc: when i saw you i thought you were unusual looking
03:19:52 <kmc> but I don't anymore wear t-shirts with sassy nerd slogans on them, just plain black
03:20:15 <kmc> and I don't have facial hair and I'm not super fat or greasy (opinions may differ on this)
03:20:24 <elliott> I picture shachaf as being tall and skinny and I think having blond hair. I have no idea why
03:20:27 <kmc> i used to wear tie dye more often
03:20:36 <kmc> I'm sure I've seen a pic of shachaf online
03:20:54 <elliott> inb4 shachaf links to that pic that isn't actually a pic.
03:20:57 <shachaf> elliott: i had blond hair until i was 3 or so does that count
03:21:06 <shachaf> elliott: oh good idea thanks for reminding me
03:21:15 <kmc> shachaf: how does that work
03:21:26 <shachaf> I look like this: http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png
03:21:37 <Fiora> XD
03:21:44 <elliott> wow slbkbs.org, so last year. I thought it was all shachaf.net now
03:21:57 <kmc> no hebrew IDN??
03:22:02 <shachaf> kmc: not sure
03:22:35 <shachaf> kmc: i think there are pictures of me online from when i was 6..........
03:23:30 <Bike> i look like a stereotypical programmer except for being a long bike covered in slime and other organic compounds
03:23:30 * Fiora wears rectangular-ish black framed glasses, has long straight black hair with bangs, and usually wears a shirt with a sweater or maybe a light jacket and a casual skirt with tights?
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03:26:07 <elliott> Bike: where does the slime come from...
03:26:20 <Bike> i became a biologist to find out
03:26:27 <kmc> shachaf: what did you think was unusual about me
03:26:51 <shachaf> kmc: not sure
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03:27:16 <kmc> ok
03:29:14 <elliott> appearance bandwagon submission: I look boring
03:29:59 <kmc> except you have super long hair?
03:30:30 <elliott> it's not actually super long
03:30:32 <elliott> well it used to be
03:30:35 <elliott> I mean it's pretty long
03:30:53 <elliott> also I'm incredibly thin
03:31:14 <shachaf> i used to have longer hair than i do now
03:31:39 <shachaf> people told me i was a p. girl a lot at the time
03:31:46 <elliott> "p. girl"........
03:31:48 <shachaf> now they don't tell me i'm p. :'(
03:34:13 <Lymia> Hair cutting? D:
03:34:16 <Fiora> elliott's definition of boring actually means "adorable"
03:34:16 <Lymia> Who would ever do that
03:34:17 <Lymia> =x=
03:34:39 <shachaf> elliott: am i boring
03:34:47 <Lymia> I mean, except to maintain a hairstyle D:
03:34:55 <elliott> that's not what I mean when I call Bike boring!
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03:35:02 <elliott> (as far as I am aware I have never called Bike boring.)
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03:35:51 <shachaf> esoteric/2013-04-07.txt:05:26:16: <elliott> you're boring, Bike
03:36:08 <Fiora> 20:29 < elliott> appearance bandwagon submission: I look boring
03:36:13 <Fiora> I am going by that
03:36:23 <Bike> i agree with both quoted messages
03:37:02 <elliott> you hurt me, Bike :'(
03:37:08 <shachaf> Fiora: /set show_nickmode_empty off
03:37:26 <Bike> shachaf: never
03:38:40 <Bike> elliott: how adorable am i
03:39:08 <shachaf> Bike: ⅝ hth
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03:39:18 <Bike> Oh
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03:49:54 * elliott yawn
04:06:29 * Fiora yawns with elliott
04:07:00 <shachaf> elliott: stop living in america time hth
04:07:33 <elliott> what time is it in america
04:07:41 <kmc> various
04:07:49 <shachaf> freedom o'clock
04:07:54 <Bike> @localtime america
04:07:55 <lambdabot> Local time for America is Tue Jun 25 13:07:51 2013
04:08:10 <kmc> `run TZ=America/New_York date
04:08:11 <HackEgo> Tue Jun 25 00:08:11 EDT 2013
04:08:19 <shachaf> `run TZ=America/Los_Angeles date
04:08:20 <HackEgo> Mon Jun 24 21:08:20 PDT 2013
04:08:23 <elliott> @time Fiora
04:08:23 <lambdabot> Local time for Fiora is Mon Jun 24 21:08:23 2013
04:08:24 <elliott> @time Bike
04:08:26 <lambdabot> Local time for Bike is Mon Jun 24 21:08:25 2013
04:08:29 <elliott> @time kmc
04:08:29 <lambdabot> Local time for kmc is Tue Jun 25 00:08:29 2013
04:08:34 <elliott> whoa.
04:08:35 <Bike> so america is in like, india or something? cool
04:08:39 <shachaf> @time shachaf
04:08:40 <Bike> whoa what
04:08:43 <lambdabot> Local time for shachaf is Mon Jun 24 21:08:39 2013
04:08:46 <kmc> `run TZ=America/Anchorage date
04:08:48 <HackEgo> Mon Jun 24 20:08:47 AKDT 2013
04:08:51 <elliott> conclusion: kmc isn't in America
04:08:54 <kmc> `run TZ=America/Honolulu date
04:08:55 <HackEgo> Tue Jun 25 04:08:55 America 2013
04:08:58 <kmc> eff
04:09:02 <kmc> `run TZ=America/Phoenix date
04:09:04 <HackEgo> Mon Jun 24 21:09:03 MST 2013
04:09:19 <elliott> ok well hawaii doesn't even begin to count if you ask me.
04:09:24 <Bike> `run TZ=Canada/Newfoundland date
04:09:26 <HackEgo> Tue Jun 25 01:39:25 NDT 2013
04:09:32 <elliott> it doesn't even get to 2. starts at 1, goes nowhere. no counting
04:09:33 <kmc> elliott: hey we stole it fair and square
04:09:37 <Bike> good time zone imo
04:09:53 <kmc> `run TZ=Oceania/Honolulu date
04:09:55 <HackEgo> Tue Jun 25 04:09:55 Oceania 2013
04:09:57 <kmc> fuck
04:09:59 <kmc> this
04:10:00 <kmc> noise
04:10:21 <elliott> shhhh. it's ok kmc
04:10:21 <kmc> @localtime lambdabot
04:10:21 <lambdabot> I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time?
04:10:33 <shachaf> `run TZ=Pacific/Honolulu date
04:10:33 <elliott> lambdabot lives in London
04:10:35 <HackEgo> Mon Jun 24 18:10:34 HST 2013
04:10:44 <Bike> stop ruining my immersion elliott
04:10:50 <shachaf> kmc: we're at war with oceania
04:10:51 <shachaf> silly kmc
04:17:10 <kmc> great
04:18:37 <elliott> anyway the real time is 5 am.
04:25:18 <shachaf> `run TZ=elliott date
04:25:20 <HackEgo> Tue Jun 25 04:25:19 elliott 2013
04:25:26 <shachaf> WRONG
04:26:33 <copumpkin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctTVcKNx8Rk
04:35:17 <shachaf> kmc: i wish i had learned rust really well a long time ago but then forgot most of it
04:35:21 <shachaf> then i could say i'm rusty
04:35:45 <shachaf> which is probably the first rust pun everyone makes "but oh well"
04:36:17 <shachaf> anyway it looks like it's p. nice and also like it's p. p. immature
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06:19:39 <elliott> kmc: ok you convinced me
06:21:38 <kmc> of?
06:21:50 <elliott> kmc: doing the luajit thing
06:22:08 <elliott> or at least thinking that I should do either that or one of the two other things I think I should be doing without actually doing any of them
06:22:20 <kmc> ok
06:22:33 <elliott> step 1: delegation
06:22:40 <elliott> shachaf: would cmm or stg be better to turn into lua
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06:26:49 <shachaf> elliott: that depends hth
06:28:07 <elliott> it did not help.
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06:49:07 <shachaf> 23:47 * shachaf heard a rumour rust was nearly stable...
06:49:11 <shachaf> 23:47 < dbaupp> shachaf: heard wrong ;)
06:49:11 <shachaf> 23:47 < aatch> shachaf, you heard wrong.
06:55:19 <Bike> nice
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09:13:50 <Deewiant> Or don't
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09:16:46 <elliott> Deewiant: the joke is 04:37:08 <shachaf> Fiora: /set show_nickmode_empty off
09:17:14 <Deewiant> OK, carry on
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13:14:13 <elliott> btw codu logs are back up
13:14:17 <elliott> you should fix the topic and then op kmc, hth
13:14:54 <oerjan> why do people keep drowning me in heaps of work
13:15:35 <elliott> you could delegate some of it to kmc, hth
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13:29:15 <oerjan> <Bike> so america is in like, india or something? cool <-- japan, it seems
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15:48:18 <quintopia> `relcome Semen_Dickman
15:48:25 <HackEgo> Semen_Dickman: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
15:49:49 <mnoqy> ??????????????????????????
15:50:03 <quintopia> mnoqy: hi
15:50:09 <mnoqy> hi
16:09:17 <Semen_Dickman> MTHR FUCK
16:09:25 <Semen_Dickman> FUICK YOU ALL STIUPID LOSERS
16:10:23 <AnotherTest> Hi.
16:11:43 <mnoqy> hi
16:12:13 <AnotherTest> Semen_Dickman: That's kind of rude
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16:13:57 <quintopia> Semen_Dickman: you sound like you could use a cookie. and an anger management class
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16:17:26 <AnotherTest> quintopia: and a typing class, possibly
16:18:10 <quintopia> AnotherTest: i was assuming the misspellings were intentional
16:18:25 <AnotherTest> You never know.
16:19:22 <mnoqy> all Semen_Dickman needs is a bit of love and some care
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16:21:37 <AnotherTest> `seen flack
16:21:43 <HackEgo> not lately; try `seen flack ever
16:21:50 <AnotherTest> `seen flack ever
16:22:21 <HackEgo> No output.
16:27:46 <myname> the nickname semen dickman let me think he gets a lot of love... from himself
16:29:24 <Semen_Dickman> WHAT KINDA MOTEHR BUCKING GAY CHAT IS THIS FUCK
16:29:38 <Semen_Dickman> OKAY ANY WAY I DIPPED MY COMPUTER IN MY TOILET
16:29:41 <Semen_Dickman> NOW IT NOT WORKING
16:29:42 <Semen_Dickman> I NEED HELP
16:29:54 <Taneb> Have you tried in #toilets?
16:30:00 <myname> you definitly do
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16:31:19 <Semen_Dickman> HEY SERIOUSLY I WANT THIS FUCKER GOING PLEASE HELP ME
16:32:06 <myname> yeah, people love to help people yelling at them
16:32:10 <myname> like, totally
16:32:19 <myname> insert obligatory hth here
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16:48:35 <ion> http://www.virtualshackles.com/421
16:48:49 <Semen_Dickman> Esoteric means what?
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16:49:46 <Semen_Dickman> whats the best way to fuck a nugger?
16:49:51 <mnoqy> go away
16:50:06 <Taneb> With consent?
16:50:06 <ion> mnoqy: You’re just feeding it. Ignore them and they’ll get bored.
16:50:07 <katla> mnoqy stop giving him attentoin
16:50:07 <Semen_Dickman> fuck you bitch
16:50:08 <mnoqy> are any ops around? fizzie?
16:50:24 <mnoqy> ion, katla: yeah, yeah
16:50:25 <Semen_Dickman> mnoqy imma go boom boom on your cow mother bitch
16:51:33 <mnoqy> kind of curious how people do this tho
16:51:41 <Semen_Dickman> how people do what?
16:51:42 <mnoqy> ????like, why???????
16:52:05 <Semen_Dickman> mnoqy why you so stupid ...mothe bitch?
16:53:07 <Semen_Dickman> imma nugger can i place ma ass here yo yo yo?
16:53:39 <Semen_Dickman> SKeet Skeet bang bang nugga
16:56:44 <myname> can't we keep it and raise it?
16:57:04 <myname> poor misunderstood thing
16:57:13 <Semen_Dickman> myname
16:57:23 <myname> maybe someday it will even be able to talk properly
16:57:34 <mnoqy> myname: i suggest you follow ion and katla's advice, it's working wonders for me
16:57:51 <myname> :D
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17:01:34 <Semen_Dickman> l
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17:06:53 <Semen_Dickman> coppro? more like cockpro
17:07:33 <coppro> Semen_Dickman: damn, you got me
17:08:19 <Semen_Dickman> nugga i aint catching any one
17:08:24 <Semen_Dickman> skeet skeet bang bang nugga
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17:28:42 <fizzie> (I'm kind of on vacation here.)
17:28:46 <mnoqy> thanks
17:29:58 <katla> hi Bike
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17:39:52 <katla> elliott stream that game again
17:47:49 <kmc> `quote #toilet
17:47:51 <HackEgo> 380) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets <Sgeo> #toilet is useless <monqy> is #toilet even a thing <Sgeo> I'm looking for help with toilets
17:48:04 <kmc> shouldn't it be ##toilet anyway
17:48:13 <kmc> also if I had op power I could have dealt with the situtaion abov
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17:56:25 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, you already have voice power, don't get ahead of yourself.
17:56:36 <Phantom_Hoover> fizzie, WHY IS GREGOR UNVOICED
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18:56:12 <Bike> hi katla.
18:57:27 <Bike> wow did someone seriously just join the channel to act like a family guy joke
18:57:43 <katla> what are your interests
18:58:13 <Bike> math, brains, legs, punching dickbags
18:58:37 <katla> which math
18:58:55 <kmc> this machine punches dickbags
18:59:05 <Bike> Right now I'm reading an introduction to real analysis.
18:59:45 <katla> cool
19:00:55 <Bike> i know what a topology is now, it's all hella exciting
19:01:50 <katla> i dont really know abot topology
19:02:22 <Bike> me neither, that's why it's exciting.
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19:07:39 <Phantom__Hoover> man, topology is the best
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19:08:22 <katla> tel me about it
19:08:50 <katla> i know the defeinition
19:09:15 <Bike> the definition of what a topology is?
19:09:42 <katla> yes
19:11:07 <Bike> well uh it lets you define continuity and convergence and stuff without a notion of distance, so that's cool
19:11:38 <Phantom__Hoover> compactness
19:11:41 <Phantom__Hoover> compactness is cool
19:18:55 <Bike> > let f x = x + 1/x in map f [1..]
19:18:56 <lambdabot> [2.0,2.5,3.3333333333333335,4.25,5.2,6.166666666666667,7.142857142857143,8....
19:19:11 <Bike> :t iterate
19:19:11 <lambdabot> (a -> a) -> a -> [a]
19:19:27 <Bike> > iterate (\x -> x + 1/x) 2
19:19:28 <lambdabot> [2.0,2.5,2.9,3.2448275862068963,3.5530103704789475,3.8344618428159674,4.095...
19:21:43 <oklopol> mmmm compactness
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19:32:39 <katla> :[
19:33:10 <Bike> not a fan of constants?
19:34:55 <katla> attempt at strart discusion failed
19:35:16 <Bike> yeah i turns out i actually don' know shit about anything
19:36:39 <Bike> it happens when by it i mean me not talking
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20:03:48 <Bike> kmc: now i'm looking for myrands. http://pastebin.com/5gSh5iXJ why would you write your own lcg like this
20:06:04 <mnoqy> cute
20:06:39 <Bike> https://github.com/cpuwhiz11/CS-School-Work/blob/b19e66cb38828e22bd1bcee31c923c95e62062eb/101/pg44.c good
20:08:10 <Fiora> cpuwhiz11
20:08:29 <Bike> int ret = (int) (((float) n * (float) rand()) / ((float) RAND_MAX + 1.0)); "here let me sign your cast"
20:08:48 <Fiora> (signed)(float)x
20:09:44 <katla> hah
20:10:15 <katla> how do you design a random number generator?
20:10:35 <Bike> "std::size_t ret = rand() % N;" i don't even know what's going on here
20:10:50 <Bike> katla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator is a place to start
20:11:32 <Fiora> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRNG ~
20:11:56 <katla> so theres this Hull-Dobell Theorem
20:12:09 <katla> that tells you when a linear RNG will be good for all seeds
20:12:48 <Bike> this particular kind, yeah.
20:12:52 <Bike> and for certain values of "good"
20:12:54 <katla> then theres:
20:12:56 <katla> LCGs tend to exhibit some severe defects. For instance, if an LCG is used to choose points in an n-dimensional space, the points will lie on, at most, m1/n hyperplanes (Marsaglia's Theorem
20:13:02 <Bike> yeah it's not great
20:13:08 <Bike> but it's easy to understand, so, good for learning
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20:14:57 <Fiora> it's basically like, random number generators are a tradeoff between "fast" and "good randomness"
20:15:02 <Bike> man RANDU is so great
20:15:05 <Fiora> and like an LCG is fast and simple but doesn't have great randomness
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20:16:13 <katla> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversive_congruential_generator
20:16:16 <katla> thats so weir
20:16:17 <katla> d
20:16:25 <katla> x_{i+1} = c if x_i = 0
20:16:54 <katla> i suppose it doesn't matter though
20:18:40 <Bike> doesn't matter?
20:19:01 <katla> my first thought was that might give a bias towards c but it doesnt
20:20:35 <katla> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_feedback_shift_register
20:20:41 <Bike> well, assuming x_i is evenly distributed in 0..q it should work
20:20:45 <katla> this seems like thenext step up
20:21:10 <Bike> nah, it's still linear.
20:21:21 <katla> oh
20:21:25 <mnoqy> linear feedback shift register was the first sorta prng i learned
20:21:34 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlekamp-Massey_algorithm
20:23:52 <Bike> "const int Random::NewRand()"
20:29:37 <katla> so whats an example of a nonlinear RNG?
20:29:47 <katla> other than the inverse one
20:30:01 <katla> oh! blum blum shub
20:30:07 <katla> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blum_Blum_Shub
20:31:54 <Bike> most are nonlinear really
20:33:34 <katla> like?
20:35:11 <Bike> blum blum shub, mersenne
20:35:47 <Bike> well i guess linearity isn't that important and i'm talking out my ass but
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21:12:19 <kmc> cool, Marsaglia's theorem
21:12:19 <kmc> til
21:12:43 <kmc> I know Marsaglia from MWC256 here: http://forums.wolfram.com/mathgroup/archive/2003/Feb/msg00456.html
21:13:54 <Bike> «Just as the "Miss America Contest" judges have to[...]» ok
21:14:26 <kmc> it's kind of awesome that a) Blum Blum Shub is named after the three inventors, b) the two Blums are married, c) they're both CS professors at CMU, d) their son is also a CS professor at CMU
21:14:37 <Bike> he's also Blum right
21:14:40 <kmc> yes
21:14:42 <Bike> good
21:14:52 <kmc> the blum dynasty
21:15:12 <kmc> srand( time( NULL ) ) ; x = rand() % 39 + -19 ;
21:15:15 <kmc> no
21:15:44 <Bike> yes. hell yes
21:16:11 <shachaf> kmc: are they related to Blum the phd student at cmu
21:16:55 <Fiora> "Avrim is the son of two other famous computer scientists, Manuel Blum and Lenore Blum.[4] Avrim is the father of Alex Blum and Aaron Blum."
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21:17:22 <Bike> so, the blum dynasty.
21:17:28 <Bike> this could rival the curie dynasty maaaaan
21:18:36 <Fiora> "Ève was the only member of her family who did not choose a career as a scientist and did not win a Nobel Prize, although her husband Henry Richardson Labouisse, Jr. did collect the Nobel Peace Prize in 1965 on behalf of UNICEF."
21:18:47 <Fiora> geez. talk about a high standard to live up to
21:19:25 <shachaf> Fiora: it is a nobel cause
21:19:56 * Fiora winces, hides
21:20:53 <Phantom__Hoover> so i torrented apocalypse now
21:21:23 <Phantom__Hoover> the torrent claims to be 1080p; except it's in widescreen, so there aren't 1080 vertical pixels
21:21:34 <Phantom__Hoover> i feel cheated?
21:23:30 <Bike> kmc: what kind of application would you need a 2^131086 period for O_o
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21:47:13 <oerjan> <myname> insert obligatory hth here <-- i think that's an incorrect format hth
21:48:24 * oerjan is trying that newfangled screen thing
21:48:35 <oerjan> i think i need a better command char than ^A
21:50:42 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/8296d5c9a6b3bbe0fbfeca8776ccb055/tumblr_mo53okwvyG1s0s0n5o1_500.jpg
21:52:05 <oerjan> i don't see any pi...
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22:22:01 <oerjan> dammit it turns out trying to set the screen command character to ^S (_so_ mnemonical) is _not_ a good idea.
22:22:23 <oerjan> took me ages to fix without killing screen :P
22:22:51 <oerjan> (fortunately i could do shell commands, and screen -X helped)
22:23:11 * oerjan settles on ^Y instead
22:25:46 <oerjan> ok back to this hilarious phallic guy in the logs
22:28:12 <oerjan> elliott: CLEARLY THAT WAS YOU TRYING TO SLYLY IMPLICATE WE NEED MORE OPS HTH
22:28:31 <oerjan> elliott, so idle
22:32:38 <oerjan> as is fizzie
22:32:58 <Bike> the most pointless false flag operation in the history of the world
22:33:19 <oerjan> but it's working!
22:33:33 <Phantom__Hoover> imo: op me
22:33:43 <Phantom__Hoover> i can be trusted
22:33:49 <oerjan> O KAY
22:34:03 <Bike> well, glad we got that worked out then.
22:34:21 <oerjan> (hint: O KAY doesn't mean yes)
22:34:54 <Bike> tyrant
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22:56:52 <kmc> http://tvpmassachusetts.org/?page_id=6 should I have voted for this party? they were on the ballot for some reason
22:57:11 <kmc> Democrat, Republican, and Twelve Visions Party
22:57:16 <kmc> no Green Rainbow this time
22:57:39 <Bike> is this a fucking self-help stoner party
22:59:45 <kmc> if you look at the top you can find the "Prime Law" which they want to replace the US constitution with
23:00:12 <Bike> "I do not know where I got off track but I look at this and at other passages about women and realize that I have
23:00:15 <Bike> taken on too much of a tomboy role and need to go back to being the woman God made me and enjoy
23:00:18 <Bike> it. "
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23:01:26 <Bike> oh no, they're libertarians
23:01:51 <Bike> Just curious if this was inpired by the three-article code of Liu Bang, the first Han emperor of China.
23:02:58 <Bike> so how did they get on the ballot
23:03:10 <Bike> lots of entertaining spam of the electoral people?
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23:03:33 <kmc> idk
23:03:49 <Bike> http://tvpmassachusetts.org/?page_id=19#comment-1730 speaks to me on a psychosexual level
23:04:37 <kmc> ;_;
23:04:49 <kmc> it's fun trying to sort out the spam comments from the crazies on here
23:05:18 <kmc> "Howԁy would you mind lеttіng me know whiсh ωebhoѕt you’re using?"
23:05:34 <Fiora> my d4d 3arns $7 512 per m0nth us1ng thi5 o/\/e we1rd tri(k
23:05:46 <kmc> herb4l vjagra
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23:07:55 <zzo38> Now they add non-ASCII letters to trick them?
23:08:03 <kmc> yes
23:08:49 <zzo38> Disable non-ASCII in those comments will correct that problem at least (but not all of them); whether or not such a thing would be suitable depend what kind of things are being commented on, I suppose.
23:09:44 <Bike> i'll inform the twelve visions council immediately
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23:11:05 <zzo38> Of course this won't help 100% though; maybe only 5% or so but it might also help another thing other than spam.
23:11:47 <zzo38> Also, to fix the spam still require many more thing too.
23:15:54 <Phantom___Hoover> Welp, I just reached the bit with the playmates.
23:16:01 <Phantom___Hoover> That... was weird.
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23:31:32 * kgoret gives ion a kiss. no reason in particular.
23:32:14 <Phantom___Hoover> `relcome kgoret
23:32:17 <HackEgo> kgoret: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
23:34:39 * kgoret sings OOM BOP .. OOM BOT .> LAGHLRHUGRUHS HUUUHGHRH LURRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHR
23:34:58 <katla> epic
23:45:32 <Phantom___Hoover> we have a few too many k's in this channel, i feel
23:46:52 <shachaf> more like a few too many 's's
23:47:33 <Phantom___Hoover> mm, the s situation is pretty bad
23:48:57 <Fiora> I have neither, is that good?
23:50:27 <shachaf> The capital F situation is dire (because we have three, and nicks should start with a lowercase letter).
23:50:39 <Fiora> :<
23:50:44 <Fiora> but I'm a proper noun
23:51:04 -!- Sgeo_ has changed nick to AProperNoun.
23:51:09 * AProperNoun isn't
23:51:12 <shachaf> You mean "I is a proper noun".
23:51:19 <kmc> i seem to be a verb
23:51:20 <shachaf> And, no, I is a pronoun.
23:51:53 <shachaf> oh no in 2 days kmc is leaving massachusetts forever
23:51:55 <Fiora> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IhPXEKNGE
23:52:07 <kmc> shachaf: more or less? I'll probably visit at some point
23:52:19 <kmc> shachaf: what about it thouh
23:52:28 <shachaf> nothing in particular
23:52:56 <kmc> ok
23:52:58 <Fiora> okay, okay, Fiora is a proper noun
23:53:00 <Phantom___Hoover> shachaf, is it because i is a proper noun
23:53:11 <AProperNoun> shachaf, I feel like an idiot
23:53:13 <shachaf> i ain't no proper noun
23:53:14 <kmc> I am a person but 'I' is a pronoun
23:53:22 <kmc> you'd think this channel of all channels could get quoting right
23:53:49 <shachaf> you'd think this channel of all channels would get quoting wrong on purpose
23:54:02 <AProperNoun> I wouldn't use '\'' to quote words even if the word is one letter
23:54:16 <AProperNoun> Well, maybe I would. Or 'I' would
23:54:16 <kmc> rong on purpwse
23:54:26 <shachaf> AProperNoun: I'm waiting for the `olist update.
23:54:31 <shachaf> plz fix hth
23:54:33 <AProperNoun> * I :Nickname is already in use.
23:55:05 <shachaf> kmc: i found multiple rust bugs by trying to use it yesterday
23:55:45 <shachaf> like the bug where you can make struct Foo { a: int, a: int }
23:55:51 <kmc> great
23:56:09 <shachaf> also it's the opposite of nearly stable
23:56:10 <olsner> if shachaf finds bugs in it, that's p. buggy
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