00:00:12 it's like MBTI except basically t he same as MBTI 00:00:18 http://www.dejavu.org/1995win.htm 00:01:21 but I like being an INFP 00:01:24 Sgeo: that's the same theme as adequacy.org. makes u think 00:01:34 Fiora: well i like being melancholic!!!!! 00:01:49 myers.briggs-- 00:01:50 are you trying to be 00:01:55 humorous 00:02:07 help 00:02:18 :3 00:03:05 :³ 00:03:08 help 00:03:12 what does ":3" even mean 00:03:22 * ion helps. hth 00:03:34 in my mind it's like a cute innocent "what did i do" cat face 00:03:38 i might be using it wrong 00:03:49 it's a lot of things 00:03:50 that's how i see it 00:03:53 thx fiora 00:04:06 Thanks, Fiora. Theora. 00:04:13 `thanks fiora 00:04:15 Thanks, fiora. Thiora. 00:04:18 oh theora is that codec 00:04:20 yes 00:04:21 * Bike Gets the Joke 00:04:24 Ogg Fiora 00:04:27 Thanks, Fiora. H.264. 00:04:43 Nanny Ogg Fiora???? 00:05:08 why is everyone saying thanks? @_@ 00:05:18 Have you seen Look Around You? 00:05:19 kmc: no that's about right. I think 00:05:20 because it's thanksgiving 00:05:24 Fiora: You need to see Look Around You. 00:05:25 somewhere in the world 00:05:40 every day is thanksgiving in #esoteric 00:05:48 Bike: oh geez. that thanks thing just reminded me of this :/ 00:05:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM 00:05:58 Thanks, giving. Thiving. 00:06:11 Fiora: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x68y4g_look-around-you-module-2-water_fun hth 00:06:21 I saw the calcium one 00:06:34 the water one has the genesis of thanks in it 00:07:01 thenesis 00:07:14 Fiora: congratulations? 00:07:30 nooooo I'm not shinji 00:07:39 so is that why everyone hates evangelion then 00:07:52 ew is that dubbed in english 00:07:54 Bike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KH2gc11XQU 00:07:56 yeah, evangelion would be way improved by making Fiora the protagonist 00:08:30 lots of things would be improved by making Fiora the protagonist 00:08:42 mnoqy: good, good 00:08:49 like Macbeth 00:09:04 mnoqy: did you see the super mega update btw,,,, there was a super mega update 00:09:09 shachaf: yes i saw 00:09:19 did you see it before or after i `smlisted 00:09:27 yes 00:09:39 I don't think I'd do a good job in a shakespearean tragedy <_> 00:09:44 -!- ais523 has quit. 00:09:49 shaxpear 00:10:19 do you think someone's made a parody of shakespeare with shaquille o'neill 00:10:25 mnoqy: the QUESTION is if you saw it before i `smlisted why didn't you tell me................... 00:10:40 Fiora: well if you were the protagonist it wouldn't be a tragedy hth 00:11:22 wait am i mixing macbeth up with another play 00:11:40 help 00:11:40 maybe 00:11:43 how would we know 00:11:51 also, hot potato pop is scotch, puck will make amends 00:11:53 macbeth is the one where macbeth kills everyone and then dies 00:12:02 spoiler alert 00:12:16 i hear macbeth is the one with macbeth in it 00:12:23 it's the one in scotland 00:12:23 The One Where Macbeth Kills Everyone 00:12:24 "mafipulation" 00:12:24 that's like 80% of his tragedies anyway let's be real 00:12:28 isn't macbeth in all of them 00:12:42 i should read titus andronicus 00:12:49 sinc it's gorier than a tarantino film apparently 00:13:22 also i think macbeth was partly written as propaganda or something 00:13:25 but do the characters stand around talking about fast food when they aren't murderkilling 00:13:42 the worst kind of killing 00:14:05 kmc: well they have monologues 00:14:12 also have you seen http://www.runleiarun.com/lebowski/ 00:14:15 they have puns 00:14:26 monologue and epilogue 00:14:32 yeah. now if only shakespeare had a foot fetish 00:14:36 THE JOKE IS MONOMORPHISM AND EPIMORPHISM HTH 00:14:44 kmc: awesome 00:15:01 shachaf: I've actually played um. about two games where the protagonist is vaguely fiora-like? or at least kind of felt that way 00:15:06 i came so close to googling shakespeare fetish 00:15:14 didn't he have a thing for older women though 00:15:29 Fiora: Or maybe you became those-games'-protagonists-like 00:15:39 seems likely. 00:15:39 fioroid 00:15:53 Phantom_Hoover: i know jack shit about shakespeare's performance. someone call an english major 00:16:08 Fiora: anyway lots of games are all about identifying with the protagonists and wish fulfillment and "all that jazz" 00:16:20 what would an english major be doing on freenode 00:16:35 well, they were games with like, well-defined characters 00:16:36 being driven out by horrible nerds, imo 00:16:38 as opposed to blankslateish ones 00:16:40 Fiora: so what were the games 00:16:47 were they 00:16:49 Bike: atelier ayesha and atelier totori, surppriiiseee 00:16:49 japanese 00:17:05 shocking 00:17:13 Fiora, why are they both named after the french for workshop 00:17:14 I only spent like literally weeks fangirling or something 00:17:24 Phantom_Hoover: they're about alchemists. 00:17:27 atelier is a series where you play as an alchemist 00:17:29 also "atelier" is used in english sometimes!!! 00:17:53 i could identify really identify with pac-man 00:18:00 a lot of character depth there imo hth 00:18:17 the only characcters i identify with are terrible people 00:18:18 s/identify // 00:18:22 maybe is hould play games with princesses 00:18:33 play atelier meruru! the protagonist is a princess 00:18:43 truly pacman is representative of the human condition 00:19:01 i never know if i'm identifying with characters or broad stereotypes 00:19:02 "If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." 00:19:08 the traumatic personal influence of sheldon 00:19:35 I might be clinging to "characters who are vaguely similar" since I have so few options anyways :/ 00:19:39 oh! at orientation i saw a guy with a "Bazinga!" t-shirt. 00:19:40 fyi 00:19:47 also do you know the reason it was renamed from "Puck-Man" for US release was because they realized every machine would immediately be vandalized to say "Fuck-Man" 00:20:03 oh, was he named after pück 00:21:02 "If [[Pac-Man]] had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in [[rave|dark rooms]], munching [[MDMA|pills]] and listening to [[Electronic dance music|repetitive electronic music]]." 00:21:14 i enjoy Wikipedia's "explain the joke" role 00:21:36 bless you wikipedia 00:21:42 |{protagonists who are girls}| is small, |{protagonists who are girls}∩{protagonists who are quieter, shy, and/or less assertive}| is smaller 00:21:48 blikipedia 00:22:06 good use of set notation. 00:22:12 I am such a dork :/ 00:22:23 and yeah i was gonna say (re: "were they japanese") that you're not exactly Faith (nb. have not played mirror's edge) 00:22:45 I should totally play mirror's edge though 00:22:52 I actually like have it on steam from a summer sale for like a dollar or three 00:22:54 and I still haven't played it 00:22:59 heh 00:23:02 it's apparently `not that good' but it might be fun 00:23:03 but Radiant Historia is fun 00:23:18 i do want to try the idea though, i love running around games 00:23:36 i've never heard anything bad about mirror's edge really :/ 00:23:41 I think opinion on it is kind of split? I've heard a lot of people kind of loved it 00:24:30 while others were like oh no it's not about shooting people!!! and you have to be a ~girl~ and they have cooties gosh no 00:24:30 i might have moved in different circles of criticism 00:24:42 yeah maybe 00:24:42 i hadn't read the version of Two Gentlemen of Lebowski that has footnotes explaining the "shakespearean" language 00:24:44 okay maybe I am being a bit too unfair <.< 00:24:45 most excellent 00:24:49 i played Mirror's Edge 00:24:50 kmc: awesome 00:24:59 it's worth a dollar or three for sure 00:25:03 the errant signal guy was pretty critical of the crowbarred shooting and i read this complete evisceration of the plot once 00:25:19 i didn't finish it but i had some fun 00:25:19 isn't the plot like, shiny 1984 00:25:22 it can cause motion sickness 00:25:26 hopefully for 2 they'll be given more creative control 00:25:40 yeah it's set in some kind of ultra-clean dystopian police state 00:25:44 like singapore lololol 00:25:51 if mirror's edge 2 is more about the arab spring mode of protest that would be kinda cool 00:25:54 ~topical~ 00:26:54 i understand that it's not very obviously dystopian though 00:27:03 this was one of the things the guy did not like 00:27:16 isn't that like, the point of an ultra clean police state 00:27:37 if a flimsy plot doomed a game to be "eviscerated" I would expect like, every reviewer ever to eviscerate call of duty or something 00:27:38 i think by chapter 2 or 3 the politicians are framing your friend for murder 00:27:38 what 00:27:47 what if i just linked to the thing 00:27:52 i don't remember exactly but uh, it seemed pretty obviously dystopian to me 00:28:07 the whole conceit is that these badass parkour couriers exist because electronic communications are all tapped 00:28:10 i thought 00:28:11 http://www.chocolatehammer.org/?p=750 <- "the thing" 00:28:15 whatever, buy it, play it, don't puke 00:28:28 but it's vastly more important that Phantom_Hoover buy System Shock 2 00:28:29 (this is kind of why I don't like game reviewers much, I kind of feel like they come up with an opinion of a game, and then create lots of justifications for why they didn't like it or liked it, after the fact) 00:28:34 Fiora: call of duty's plot is hilarious though 00:28:40 Fiora: yep! i feel that way about most reviews of things actually 00:28:45 it's so much deeper than "russia invades so we can reenact the cold war" 00:28:53 it's the whole "~rationality~" thing of like 00:28:53 and by deeper i mean lol 00:28:59 Fiora: like every review of Season 4 of Community has to talk at length about how the show is Not The Same after Dan Harmon left 00:28:59 it's not really a review but w/e 00:29:03 I am rational, so I use rationality and logic to justify my arbitrary personal feelings 00:29:03 and it isn't 00:29:16 but also it seems like they were going to say that no matter what 00:29:20 "Did that seem confusing or vague? It did?" er not really 00:29:28 reading good reviews of things you like is great though! 00:29:41 "And come to think of it, does the government really have such a tight grip on everything that rebels can only communicate by snail mail transported by Cirque du Soleil? I mean, I’m no tech expert, but I’m pretty sure there’s some type of electronic communication that can’t be easily intercepted." i um 00:29:46 ummmmmm 00:29:49 XD 00:29:54 i assume he means crypto 00:29:56 Bike: I still like. gosh, the parody xbox one presentation by that australian dude 00:30:26 Phantom_Hoover: man you live in a country where the police can arrest you for not giving up your keys :/ 00:30:29 Fiora: the what? 00:30:40 Bike: i assume they can do that in most countries, with a valid subpoena 00:30:43 Bike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KOxdMQhDMIU#t=2m45s 00:30:47 (just that 5 seconds) 00:30:56 also HOLA NSA 00:31:13 Fiora, that guy 00:31:13 hola kmc 00:31:14 isn't english 00:31:28 she said australian! 00:31:29 i was reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_political_jokes yesterday 00:31:36 there are some really fucking funny ones 00:31:38 fuck 00:31:39 my headcanon is that this is actually how everyone in the world sees american shooter game type things 00:31:41 he's not australian 00:31:45 oh 00:31:58 headcannon 00:32:07 oh. he's not? darnit <.< 00:32:25 kmc: i meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000 00:32:29 i'd almost forgotten about the english/australian confusion 00:32:31 i don't think they need warrants for a lot of it 00:32:52 but i don't live in the UK or know about it really. 00:32:56 also: russian jokes own. 00:33:19 also recently i realised i can tell between australian and new zealand accents 00:33:21 that was good 00:33:32 Fiora: oh lol that. 00:33:34 me too although i don't know if i can tell 'real' ones or just stereotyped ones 00:33:35 dogs 00:33:45 "america's in trouble! and... guns." 00:33:47 dogues 00:34:03 also I learned today that "to squizz" is .au english for "to look at / read / examine" 00:34:11 sounds like something much more gross to me 00:34:38 how do those australians do it 00:34:42 «The principle of socialist economy of the period of transition to communism: the authorities pretend they are paying wages, workers pretend they are working. Alternately, "So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work." This joke persisted essentially unchanged through the 1980s.» ok well that's depressing 00:34:43 upside down 00:35:00 communism: zero failure modes 00:35:36 "No my friend, we will not live long enough to see communism, but our children... poor children" 00:35:58 Phantom_Hoover: how do I tell the difference between english and australian accents ._. and what about the english in australia and australians and england and agh 00:36:10 omg this one 00:36:12 "Communism was a humour-producing machine. Its economic theories and system of repression created inherently funny situations. There were jokes under fascism and the Nazis too, but those systems did not create an absurd, laugh-a-minute reality like communism." 00:36:21 Three men sit in a jail in (KGB headquarters) Dzerzhinsky Square. The first asks the second why he has been imprisoned, and he says, "Because I criticized Karl Radek." The first man responds, "But I am here because I spoke out in favor of Radek!" They turn to the third man who has been sitting quietly in the back, and ask him why he is in jail too. He responds, "I'm Karl Radek." 00:36:42 Fiora, 'they sound different' i guess? i dunno 00:37:04 alternate between british comedies and something australian i guess 00:37:56 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 00:38:26 Bike: http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/sample/sample-3d41a11efe619c8899f6594ce6ab2242.jpg ooooh so that's the one this was referencing. I get it now 00:38:38 this just reminds me that i know people who say 30s USSR was fantastic, blergh 00:38:49 Fiora: lol 00:39:05 Fiora: wasn't that a parody of maoist PRC? 00:39:25 it was a two-part comic, the first part was the soviet union 00:39:30 the second part was maoist PRC 00:39:31 oh, good 00:39:48 oh 1953 was stalin's death 00:40:19 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:40:52 unfortunately i have now lost my familiarity with scottish accents 00:41:29 aren't you scottish 00:42:10 yes but i go to university in england 00:42:11 unrelatedly i'm watching a boardsofcanada promotional video that seems to be entirely static 00:43:20 i guess that's the same as the albums 00:43:29 30s USSR was probably pretty good if you're an urban industrial worker and not being arbitrarily purged by stalin 00:44:07 i guess. i'm guessing these jokes were popular, though... 00:44:13 yeah 00:45:18 "Jokes about Khrushchev are often related to his attempts to reform the economy, especially to introduce maize. He was even called kukuruznik (maizeman)" it's weird how corn wasn't a thing in the old world, man 00:46:02 are cornflakes actually made with corn 00:46:08 it's weird how many european countries are associated with a national cuisine that couldn't exist in the pre-columbian era 00:46:17 tomatoes in italy, potatoes in ireland 00:46:25 coffee too, right? 00:46:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_in_20_years it's great how this sounds exactly like transhumanism 00:46:28 chocolate definitely. 00:46:34 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 00:46:37 communism in 20 years, fusion power in 30 00:46:41 kmc: according to my book on burma corn got so popular so fast that it is and was considered native 00:46:57 they didn't have tobacco in old europe either 00:46:59 right 00:47:15 "A follower of Sylvester Graham, the inventor of graham crackers and graham bread, Kellogg believed that spicy or sweet foods would increase passions." the invention of cornflakes 00:47:16 Bike: meaning what 00:47:22 yeah fuck that guy 00:47:45 kmc: meaning if you asked a burmese farmer where corn came from they'd probably say their ancestors had been farming it for millenia. 00:47:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chute_tobacco.JPG tbh not sure what this guy is smoking is tobacco 00:47:48 Bike: haha 00:47:49 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:48:07 i like how traditions are so often untraditional~ 00:48:21 corn is pretty cool. if you've invented nixtamalization i guess 00:48:27 also how the fuck did people come up with stuff like that 00:48:40 dude have you seen the grain corn evolved from? 00:48:43 let's mix some lye and ash into this food and see if it becomes better 00:48:44 i don't even know how people came up with corn 00:48:45 good plan bro 00:48:49 -!- loleilo22 has joined. 00:48:49 Bike: which one is that 00:48:54 teosinte 00:49:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teosinte_Jalisco.jpg look at this shit! 00:49:08 "yes, let's farm this" 00:49:23 hmm 00:49:33 i'm just saying there was a fucking crazy mesoamerican agriculturalist back in the day 00:49:35 how much of guns germs and steel is bullshit 00:49:47 a lot of it 00:49:48 -!- loleilo22 has left. 00:50:23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Corncobs.jpg pretty 00:50:35 (i haven't read it but) from what i understand anthropologists usually consider it to overemphasize geography (because, written by geographer) and they largely don't like geographic determinism, though they do think geography is important obviously 00:51:01 and iirc his numbers on spread of different crops are basically pulled out of his ass. 00:51:33 kmc, each kernel is actually fertilised individually so you can actually use cobs as really neat demonstrations of mendelevian genetics 00:51:39 really 00:51:40 awesome 00:52:02 there are even two sets of really obvious dominant/recessive traits 00:52:18 one time my parents accidentally crossed edible corn and indian corn 00:52:26 good demonstration of plant breeding (none of the result was edible) 00:52:45 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:52:56 are your parents... farmers? 00:52:58 -!- Frooxius has joined. 00:53:17 wannabes 00:53:29 it was just a backyard garden 00:53:51 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:53:54 lightweights 00:54:03 (are american farmers all the american version of posh?) 00:54:24 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:54:25 i lived down the street from the Pioneer Hybrid experimental corn farm 00:54:53 well there's lots of kind of american farming, there's industrial farming and there's my neighbors, you know? 00:55:03 i wouldn't describe either as posh 00:55:31 in new hampshire and vermont it seemed like a lot of people had basically a suburban house with a small farm, near other suburban houses 00:55:33 can you be posh if you know how to operate and repair combine harvesters 00:55:41 yes 00:55:51 bigger and more farm-shaped than what you would call a 'backyard garden' and they had some livestock too 00:55:57 but not enough to live from solely 00:56:09 the only tory area in scotland is the one with lots of farmers and not much else 00:56:26 you could buy eggs at the store and they would have a handwritten label saying whose chickens they came from and you could go there and say hi to the chickens probably 00:57:06 whereas I grew up near a bunch of big industrial farms with buildings very far apart that can only be worked by expensive machines 00:57:28 also the industrial pig lots 00:57:30 smell fucking awful 00:58:08 aiui pigs aren't really inherently dirty, but they aren't picky either 00:58:35 i eat eggs from chickens that live in my backyard. am i posh 00:58:40 no 00:58:44 that's p. cool 00:58:45 how many do you have 00:58:47 that's a middle-class thing, for sure 00:58:59 it's a middle class thing and also a yuppie thing 00:59:02 six 00:59:06 how often do they lay 00:59:19 they used to all lay once a day but they don't any more 00:59:22 we're gonna slaughter 'em soon 00:59:24 ok 00:59:41 hatch an egg from each of them!! 00:59:50 going to grow oyster mushrooms at the new place, not any chickens though probably 00:59:55 «A frightened man came to the KGB. "My talking parrot disappeared." "This is not our case. Go to the criminal police." "Excuse me. Of course I know that I have to go to them. I am here just to tell you officially that I disagree with that parrot."» 00:59:56 you need a rooster for that PH 01:00:00 Phantom_Hoover: roosters are the actual worst though 01:00:23 you're a biologist! work something out! 01:00:51 you can't have a rooster in a (sub)urban area 01:01:19 "My wife has been going to cooking school for three years." / "She must really cook well by now!" / "No, they've only reached the part about the Twentieth CPSU Congress so far." 01:01:28 we're not suburban, we just don't want to deal with roosters >_> 01:01:38 the neighbors' are already annoying enough 01:01:39 how far is the nearest other house 01:01:41 heh 01:01:45 do you... live in the country 01:01:48 i do 01:02:04 also you're in WA, are you going to start growing cannabis 01:02:08 does the climate there support it 01:02:18 i don't know where cannabis grows actually 01:02:23 the climate here is basically: wet 01:02:28 i have a video about how to grow weed indoor; it seems like a pretty fun project; I kind of wish I'd done it when I was in college and the risks were minimal 01:03:36 Yeltsin's aide approaches him and says, "Mister President, two guests are here to see you: the Pope, and the director of the International Monetary Fund. Who shall I show in first?" Yeltsin thinks for a moment, then says: "Show in the Pope; at least I only have to kiss his ring." 01:04:05 bike, these are terrible 01:04:17 mo like awesome 01:04:43 yeah you can grow pot in WA i'm pretty sure 01:04:50 kmc: i think the main obstacle to growing weed right now is that the licensing system isn't implemented yet 01:04:55 a lot of it is grown in norcal (it's 1/3 of the economy in mendocino county) 01:05:04 well, main legal obstacle 01:05:05 and the #1 cash crop statewide 01:05:13 http://www.nwpr.org/post/indoor-marijuana-grows-could-hamper-seattles-climate-change-goals 01:05:15 wait. why did i even ask about the climate? they already grow tons of weed up the road 01:05:55 kmc: that's like the most seattle thing i've ever seen. 01:06:04 says outdoor grows are easier east of the cascades 01:06:15 east of the cascades is basically all farms, so 01:07:01 it's near-desert, the contrast with the west here is kinda neat. 01:08:09 cool 01:09:33 the school i'm going to is in the east too, it's farm school as fuck 01:11:52 to get there i took this road: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_State_Route_26 which had like three towns in seventy miles, which i took mostly at 100 mph 01:16:15 nicu 01:16:17 nice* 01:16:54 http://labs.spotify.com/2013/06/18/creative-usernames/ 01:20:45 8but do they support SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW? 01:22:41 wow, that's a nasty attack 01:23:21 yep 01:23:56 kmc: did you read the hunting of the snark 01:23:58 no 01:24:01 ok 01:24:10 can you even reliably fold case across languages 01:24:13 should i paste 12 lines of it in here........................ y/n 01:24:16 that seems lie it might be intractable 01:24:18 n 01:24:26 y not 01:24:36 Bike, turkish, for one 01:24:37 that;s a lot of lines 01:25:19 http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Case_folding#Turkish_i.2FI_etc. that doesn't seem hard 01:25:34 i guess this is called "normalization", oops 01:27:02 it seems like the least hassle would just be having people pick an account and display name separately and make the account name publicly accessible 01:27:07 that paper i read on burmese unicode involved things like using zero-width spaces to mark syllable boundaries... optionally 01:27:22 Phantom_Hoover: and the account name has to be ascii? 01:27:34 that's what twitter does i guess 01:27:39 yeah 01:28:06 * kmc wonders what kind of awesome username he would pick on a site that forced Cyrillic usernames 01:28:06 it's not ideal but it does work 01:28:16 give everyone a meaningless ID number, and then have a displayed name? 01:28:28 kmc: i call "Кракозя́бры" 01:28:36 Bike: but when you log in you need to provide some ID 01:28:44 yeah 01:28:44 well yeah 01:28:56 make people remember the number ("but that sucks" "so does everything") 01:29:10 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13/13-h/13-h.htm hth 01:29:15 Bike, that's what AW does... not for a particularly good reason though, Unicode names weren't supported until 5.0 01:29:15 for people who just flat out don't know ascii you could have a 'create random name' button and tell them to remember it 01:30:02 so same as mine. 01:30:02 Bike: shitty UX 01:30:02 UX? 01:30:05 user xperience 01:30:13 aw :( 01:30:25 He had bought a large map representing the sea, / Without the least vestige of land: / And the crew were much pleased when they found it to be / A map they could all understand. "What's the good of Mercator's North Poles and Equators, / Tropics, Zones, and Meridian Lines?" / So the Bellman would cry: and the crew would reply / "They are merely conventional signs! 01:30:27 sorry but consumer apps will always choose the pleasant UX over the move that theoretically makes certain security holes go away 01:30:30 it's like, i already have my SSN and uni ID# memorized, why not pile more onto that 01:30:31 "Other mps are such shapes, with teheir islands and capes! / But we've got our brave Captain to thank:" / (So the crew would protest) "that he's bought us the best— / A perfect and absolute blank!" 01:30:34 oops 01:30:41 oh and my phone number i guess 01:30:45 basically i hate everything. 01:30:46 two lines got merged into one line "sry" 01:30:50 by lines i mean verses 01:31:14 (are there keyboards without ascii readily accessible on them?) 01:31:22