< 1371081922 183723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway apparently there are crypto startups i didn't know this <-- presumably they're good at hiding? < 1371081949 926155 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1371082276 927968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lool < 1371082280 166966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: example? < 1371082290 890567 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what < 1371082295 421036 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crypto startups/ < 1371082421 176233 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://crypto.cat/ < 1371082506 811147 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :came up in http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/12/4422480/is-prism-good-news-for-cryptographers < 1371082584 925012 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371082783 179068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1371082852 179831 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1371082853 964117 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SgeoBot SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1371082855 250471 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1371082857 264744 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1371082858 898491 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1371082859 686882 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly. < 1371082881 576535 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, the notifier I made in another room went off... < 1371082881 850169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, how did I end up in the `list? < 1371082892 616205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I mind, but I'm pretty sure I didn't trigger it intentionally < 1371082895 509440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/list < 1371082896 749693 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ grep '^..:..:..: <[^>]*> `list' /var/irclogs/_esoteric/201[3-9]-??-??.txt | sed 's/^.*.*//;s/_*$//' | sort -u | tr '\n' ' ' < 1371082902 655874 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs ais523.*`list < 1371082904 259768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it's historical < 1371082917 773121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I triggered an early in-testing version of the `list < 1371082918 925363 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17695 < 1371082935 392386 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proto-list < 1371082943 733196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens in `list, stays in `list < 1371082970 152492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, now SgeoBot has triggered the `list, it will be there eternally < 1371082980 253180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I liked the old race condition version < 1371082986 729372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was harder to figure out, and trollier < 1371082986 965254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is a bot now? < 1371082998 74994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't we all < 1371083010 396505 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1371083013 863667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new version fits in better with the idea behind it, at least < 1371083042 35962 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the latest pages hasn't been updated yet. just the most recent page, with an arrow < 1371083049 63242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i bought _The Power Broker_ < 1371083049 706895 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, Bike uncovered me in #bike < 1371083055 296726 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey what's the way to get the file size of a directory recursively on linux < 1371083063 49142 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never remember it and whether it involves du < 1371083071 256716 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the file size of a directory mean? < 1371083072 61160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be some time before i start/finish reading it, though < 1371083074 104821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's du with a couple of options < 1371083076 142762 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to last page, click link from there < 1371083081 183520 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Homestuck update < 1371083096 737127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually do du -hs dirname < 1371083100 414051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :du -bcs dirname < 1371083105 434383 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1371083125 290952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also might want -l if you want to count each copy of a hard link, rather than the single file that's linked < 1371083133 109936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which depends on what you're trying to do < 1371083140 16093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spelled du -sh you unpatriotic scum of the earth < 1371083148 291423 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1371083148 797856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you write rm -fr too < 1371083149 396431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you use -h rather than -b, then it counts the disk space used < 1371083152 19525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the size of all the files in it < 1371083152 275430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-sh is not even in alphabetical order. < 1371083165 81275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so very small files will be counted as more than the number of bytes in them < 1371083168 839415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not what Bike asked for < 1371083230 370727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kmc hands out cyanide pills <-- and this is how humanity will finally evolve the ability not to click ominous links hth < 1371083269 506651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and use a browser that can't be XSSed attacked through plain text files? < 1371083329 108739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's going a bit far. < 1371083353 246156 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I wasn't expecting an update < 1371083355 166391 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you SgeoBot < 1371083376 716376 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it has technically been months < 1371083463 46939 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :years < 1371083465 610886 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :over .001 years!! < 1371083484 796110 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly there are jerkcityhd posts http://24.media.tumblr.com/aef6f8b854fb820eb634748be7289463/tumblr_mo57efs8CY1snfhwio1_1280.png < 1371083490 85411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving to SF feels vaguely self-destructive given how annoyed I am by web/mobile app startup culture < 1371083496 326234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't really escape it by being physically far away, either < 1371083502 299389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i might as well be where my friends are < 1371083543 674211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1371083551 856216 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it this way: there's good weed < 1371083589 320362 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://jerkcityhd.tumblr.com/image/51435557806 and good dicks < 1371083619 241126 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1371083622 217410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1371083627 452112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get a shower curtain that looks like macsbug < 1371083642 996614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :caliborn's narration is amazing < 1371083667 977130 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it truly is < 1371083689 417794 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DID SHE DRAW HERSELF?? I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE. CONSIDERING SHE IS FICTIONAL. AS WELL AS A GIRL." < 1371083698 652118 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boogle vacantly < 1371083705 564699 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IT TURNS OUT THE MALE CAN LEAVE AFTER ALL. RELATIVELY UNHINDERED. BASICALLY CONTRADICTING THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE STORY." is the best < 1371083723 664452 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering about the typo route/root but i guess it was intentional or at least fits < 1371083727 730920 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boogle down < 1371083806 764588 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that one's pretty good < 1371085140 55074 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there we go, feed updated < 1371085151 382858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i was going to ask if you heard about the private silly valley buses < 1371085157 791167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i heard about them from your twitter SO < 1371085165 651165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it silly valley, i think it was < 1371085240 104471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: spigot is "super kawaii" in that first one, as they say < 1371085257 489943 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is what they say < 1371085285 677960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Know the People < 1371085634 427624 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try to ==> out of the flash early? < 1371085636 81742 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should < 1371085887 105328 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 PART :#esoteric < 1371086293 159088 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371087709 803419 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's pretty good < 1371088827 591524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which? the company shuttles run by Google etc, or the private subscription bus lines in SF? < 1371088850 556666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo there's nothing wrong with the rich paying for luxury public transit, if the basic govt public transit is adequate < 1371088853 950263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't really < 1371088864 509825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the city is too incompetent to e.g. tax the luxury services and fund the public ones < 1371088867 105672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i meant the company ones yeah < 1371088891 348562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :america desperately needs health care reform to reduce the amount of useless snail mail i receive < 1371089237 281935 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371089302 354191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>. < 1371089302 633109 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ < 1371089411 821850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ,[.,]!Does this work? < 1371089411 945381 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1371089425 939768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'parently not. < 1371089733 143050 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ,[.,]!++++++++++. < 1371089733 243965 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1371089975 903294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw am planning to do god's work re: haskell FAQ < 1371090060 719615 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quotes of the Week < 1371090060 791618 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: getLine :: IO String contains a String in the same way /bin/ls contains a list of files." < 1371090069 561677 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a quote that first occurred within the past week < 1371090225 839301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good (what though) < 1371090242 538171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings /bin/ls | grep ^/ < 1371090397 182710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, you know @faq... < 1371090415 413978 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq < 1371090415 538921 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. < 1371090420 109772 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol great < 1371090437 750956 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf input!,[.,] < 1371090437 863521 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1371090438 81081 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq Can Haskell fix @faq without outside intervention? < 1371090438 212160 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. < 1371090457 589145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://sprunge.us/WUOh < 1371090471 922167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god. < 1371090478 729987 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they serious? < 1371090485 939471 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some of those obviously aren't < 1371090497 496347 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is terrible < 1371090523 649255 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can I use HASKELL to solve problem from ARTIFICAL INTELIGENCE, like DEPTH TREE SEARCH ,or A*, its hardest than same algorithn in C++ with C++ Standart Library data structures, like FIFO/LIFO/LISTs etc. ?" snort < 1371090537 373550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well you see the thing is someone asks a question in #haskell < 1371090546 432325 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know how it goes < 1371090546 771235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then no matter what it is if it involves asking whether you can do something, potentially in haskell < 1371090551 262768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put @faq in front of it < 1371090555 781116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're a master of comedy < 1371090557 446482 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it's < 1371090559 223340 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "meme" < 1371090564 5572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1371090577 166445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was originally because people would ask things like "can haskell do [incredibly basic thing that any real language can do]" < 1371090584 700628 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm sure < 1371090588 812448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it's just... kind of annoying < 1371090588 883961 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does haskell have i/o" < 1371090590 752164 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you're going to have @faq link to kmc's first epistle to the nerds < 1371090593 69990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371090597 898878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea < 1371090612 156080 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably you'll get called a nazi for killing the joke or whatever < 1371090612 916511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now people will try to mock questions and inadvertantly link something that might even answer them!!! < 1371090615 926549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371090621 401540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ruining things, goddamn < 1371090640 502542 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this epistle? < 1371090646 504245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where faq < 1371090646 636471 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ < 1371090742 33299 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. From what you called it, I thought it was going to be some ... thingy < 1371090751 253195 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thingy? < 1371090759 71506 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"epistle" is just oldspeak for "letter". < 1371090816 170443 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some generic thoughts on geekiness or somethign < 1371090850 611187 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kmc's First Testament < 1371090980 817534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ever shred so much stuff that the shredder overheats? < 1371090986 555719 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371090996 691778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have, hth < 1371090999 759861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just now) < 1371091000 984024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1371091002 215311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but also before) < 1371091002 983320 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you die < 1371091004 910265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371091007 314785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still alive < 1371091007 386787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip kmc < 1371091011 73250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1371091012 325082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll come to your funeral < 1371091030 881219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we will bury you" -- shachaf < 1371091099 89228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we will bury them" -- soviet rhino heavy tank in red alert 2, being ordered to attack < 1371091131 115772 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a tank y/n < 1371091156 924315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey remember red alert 2 < 1371091163 794499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a good computer game < 1371091202 910488 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1371091206 942453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./win goto 39 < 1371091208 560274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1371091236 607516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know you can just say /win 39 < 1371091237 551600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1371091245 59219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371091246 103161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forget < 1371091257 387678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can press alt then press the 39 key < 1371091261 304428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf.win++ < 1371091268 757310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: huh < 1371091278 722032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was telling elliott about an irssi feature... < 1371091287 105389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh elliott.win++ < 1371091295 734455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf.win-- < 1371091307 649333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MIT UAV club flew their UAV into the river... < 1371091312 223288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Controlled Flight Into Terrain < 1371091330 174444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncontrollable air vehicle < 1371091368 735816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the phrase "controlled flight into terrain" < 1371091388 887693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TERRAAAAAIN < 1371091406 201589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :works better in #cslounge-trains < 1371091415 538338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like trains you should join that channel hth < 1371091489 190938 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://souleyedigitalmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ppppppowerup < 1371091502 208609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the soundtrack to VVVVVV < 1371091503 860639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good < 1371091512 626869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, drums < 1371091512 711519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game as well < 1371091523 358781 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1371091529 643969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as such, but possibly an 8bit synth approximation thereof < 1371091532 810438 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game got a bit memorizey < 1371091538 352080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is about dying isn't it < 1371091540 226582 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, no, it's remixed versions of the soundtrack to VVVVVV < 1371091542 286931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1371091544 115631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoBot: oh < 1371091568 680631 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the actual soundtrack is awesome too < 1371091592 833314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go to the "they might be giants performance" on friday in sf < 1371091668 594380 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you should probably go listen to PPPPPP first < 1371091735 799098 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love soundtracks. < 1371091771 190490 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original Soundtracks 1 is the best soundtrack hth < 1371091859 868855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was just thinking about that album the other day wtf (i haven't even heard it) < 1371091903 148299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i think i have that sound track as part of humble blah blah don't i < 1371091954 925998 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know VVVVVV itself was in a Humble Bundle < 1371092008 420048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :third < 1371092028 343519 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you seen Ghost in the Shell < 1371092030 691688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't recall memorization in that game < 1371092041 184139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was mostly precise timing for jumps < 1371092051 399180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nope < 1371092056 112043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i normally hate jumping puzzles but VVVVVV did a really good job eliminating the delay before you can try again < 1371092069 838692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: braid did the best job of that < 1371092078 306636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really what I hate, 30 seconds of tedious walking around until you can get to the jump and fail again < 1371092078 378640 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a bit of a let's play linked on youtube where someone spent like 30+ minutes on one 10 second segment < 1371092081 293326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: true < 1371092086 426134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :braid is a good game also < 1371092091 80210 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :braid <3 < 1371092098 61206 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the joke is, i know exactly which segment < 1371092101 854770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo seeing the braid mechanic not as a central puzzle mechanic but just a convenient continuous undo thing would be nice < 1371092103 120645 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it got pretty rote for me < 1371092104 252065 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "doing things the hard way"? < 1371092109 42714 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yep < 1371092111 885538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: prince of persia < 1371092118 63637 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorta < 1371092127 194656 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget if i ever actually got that one < 1371092133 359432 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about veni vedi veci... oh same thing I guess < 1371092143 78512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I've only played one Prince of Persia game. It was a long time ago. It didn't have that. < 1371092152 213335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I hear there's more than one game so maybe others do. < 1371092154 409440 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in prince of persia when you fell or something it let you rewind I think? < 1371092158 763020 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that was one of the things it did < 1371092163 583081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how i have 2834923984234 humble bundles < 1371092165 991086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have played like 3 of the games < 1371092174 117202 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conspicuous consumption hth < 1371092200 728379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i played looked a lot like http://toucharcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/130503.jpeg < 1371092207 201640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx google images < 1371092210 216603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh < 1371092213 430683 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking Sands of Time < 1371092224 524275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was on a cd of 100 shareware games < 1371092228 105325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i had was the demo < 1371092241 101718 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should play a Prince of Persia game tha'ts less bad. < 1371092241 209247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i sure loved that cd < 1371092248 200705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had all these games!! < 1371092257 108638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jill of the jungle. who remembers jill of the jungle. i do < 1371092258 207024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway the point is, listen to "One Minute Warning" < 1371092285 669488 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the braid guy's essays more than his games. < 1371092288 937110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'll need a one minute warning first 8) :D : D :D: D :LD:L:LD: L:D :K <3k0 i3-0 it0-hroph;lg ,bv. < 1371092292 162720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zjksdxzlsekhfa5w87veyisudgkxclx\' < 1371092293 513583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : c]|Z:"Z?[ < 1371092296 184638 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he done anything since braid? < 1371092315 783247 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know he was planning something < 1371092320 658135 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows with these artsy types < 1371092323 138403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know he's doing a next-gen console thing on PS4 < 1371092337 642479 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i mostly liked braid for the art because i like the artist < 1371092339 97835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoBot: this was nice until the drum-alikes started :'( < 1371092351 500907 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witness_(2013_video_game) < 1371092353 467977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm just too fly-like to do puzzley games < 1371092371 212501 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, PPPPPP or the remix? < 1371092372 313172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :braid was definitely one of those games where like, I could beat my head for 30 minutes on a puzzle < 1371092376 123159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then look up the answer on youtubue < 1371092378 457366 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I cannot vouch for the quality of the remixes < 1371092380 473051 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in retrospect wow that was so obvious < 1371092381 225717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013 more like 20never < 1371092384 534166 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for the quality of PPPPPP < 1371092384 732649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait 2013 isn't over yet < 1371092387 628037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mixed it up with 2012 < 1371092416 562289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoBot: I listened to whatever you linked in here. < 1371092420 826027 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Blow says he started to "check out" from his parents as early as elementary school. His mother was an ex-nun who constantly reminded her son about the imminent coming of Jesus and would later disown Blow's older sister for coming out as a lesbian in the mid-80s. Blow's father worked all day as a defense contractor and would come home to be alone in his den, where children were not allowed.» wow < 1371092421 44628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://souleyedigitalmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ppppppowerup < 1371092452 520168 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ok then. This is the original: http://souleyedigitalmusic.bandcamp.com/album/pppppp-the-vvvvvv-soundtrack < 1371092476 396844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nice < 1371092481 849829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :game developers. < 1371092500 175422 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know "ex-nun" was a thing you could be < 1371092501 886250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoBot: Still has drumalikes. :-( < 1371092516 227051 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/frc/index.html just stop existing all of a sudden :( < 1371092526 889130 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, there's an archive < 1371092535 743487 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that about engels < 1371092540 705002 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada: http://sir-toby.com/nomic-archives/frc/ < 1371092548 56939 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you mister bot < 1371092560 337854 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit it's some nerd shit isn't it < 1371092564 983506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this is good i should listen to the album (i make a point of hating U2 so this is not easy to admit) < 1371092585 73546 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it branched off a game of nomic < 1371092614 585489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoBot: i had to turn it off because it felt like it was beating my brain in until i would die < 1371092614 923487 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's ok i hate them too. Eno also worked on it though and I don't hate him. < 1371092635 186046 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good rationalization, imo < 1371092676 856314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eno also worked with coldplay < 1371092679 414537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im just sayin" < 1371092697 771229 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda like coldplay "sorry" < 1371092718 964883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what coldplay is "sorry" < 1371092727 37845 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a band with drums < 1371092732 284238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it < 1371092744 310559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not paranoia when they're really out to get you hth < 1371092744 782618 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said you didn't! < 1371092754 859293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw prior warning the they might be giants performance will involve drums hth < 1371092766 366027 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, are you the master? < 1371092771 815723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sometimes they don't......sometimes they do i don't know < 1371092780 955524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sister is going today in seattle < 1371094122 136035 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371094147 181855 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371094916 575894 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1371097231 682434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shredding done, now using the shredder as a footrest < 1371097295 119431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coldplay is mediocre but for the most part not actively offensive < 1371097303 523148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you shred < 1371097306 645040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :papers < 1371097314 352011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371097319 142232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good shredding material < 1371097321 209611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get your feet in the shredder hth < 1371097332 771729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Al-Yafi was a well-known and prolific contributor to top-tier Al-Qaida forums with over 30,000 postings." < 1371097337 63269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I mediocre jelly < 1371097350 246775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the start-up sound of the OLPC XO-1 is the first four notes of "Beautiful Day" by U2 < 1371097353 92153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH7GOupMDrU < 1371097367 849997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell with the internal speaker because it picks out weird harmonics < 1371097376 740335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's super obvious if you plug in headphones < 1371097419 835523 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone just offered to pay my admission fee to the upcoming Rebol conference if I came < 1371097436 531139 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to fly < 1371097445 429202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foot status: unshredded < 1371097445 511967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi (hi 5 (+) 3) (*) (hi 4 (+) 4) -- infix without infix! < 1371097448 984588 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 64 < 1371097466 865815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let hi x f y = f x y -- ? < 1371097468 299318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not evry infix < 1371097470 250423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*very < 1371097471 52880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi = flip flip < 1371097475 456729 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's in a different country... < 1371097475 738266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even get the associativityi ejrirtproperty < 1371097477 216142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip flip < 1371097477 846390 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> (a -> b -> c) -> a -> c < 1371097480 940529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So yes.) < 1371097481 433581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes. < 1371097482 698489 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good country < 1371097484 553621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :efb < 1371097491 690171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop pop < 1371097495 846751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm going to need a twitter account for your foot status asap plz thx hth < 1371097498 623704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you have a stroke < 1371097499 219744 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop pop watching motherfuckers drop < 1371097507 151484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @miuaf_foot_ebooks < 1371097519 793336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1371097529 946908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm just not built for this world and its complete sentences < 1371097530 47451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: might want to get that cehcked out < 1371097536 552542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get some of that NHS < 1371097544 770959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would follow < 1371097551 86793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+5, Troll < 1371097560 304713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting for zzo38_ebooks < 1371097586 479353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main is usually a foot < 1371097601 236992 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you all need to help me out here < 1371097614 464291 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to understand the sentence: "Al-Jaza'iri was a jihadi web forum users who was well known and well-respected in the online extremist community." < 1371097622 820706 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a jihadist forum like. give me ideas < 1371097632 773100 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can one be respected on an internet it doesn't make sense < 1371097644 642112 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I respect you < 1371097646 182308 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're respected < 1371097657 495942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo Bike is a jihadist < 1371097663 645115 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371097684 325267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna have to come to terms with that Bike < 1371097694 886167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :death to the west? < 1371097698 85733 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1371097698 631816 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i'll have to grow a beard < 1371097701 226129 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gonna suck < 1371097703 75690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm amused because obviously the jihadi web forums will have the same stupid web forum drama as every other web forum < 1371097709 115073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm just amused thinking about this < 1371097714 156284 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're friends with a woman, I don't think they allow that < 1371097736 437310 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, a lot of them are engineering students. < 1371097753 645924 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "itt: infidels defending their terrible alcohol decisions" < 1371097757 193710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you engineer a student < 1371097763 273470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: arguments over how large the burning america flag image signatures should be allowed to be < 1371097773 778256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure this is exactly what jihadi web forums must be like < 1371097775 824445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) < 1371097791 472500 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got back from the tunisian revolt AmA #yolo < 1371097838 814076 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually yeah now that you mention it none of the listed dead are women < 1371097843 746490 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :al-nusra needs to get its act together imo < 1371097852 708954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jihadi forum where they have some nutter going on about how 9/11 was an inside job but the angle is mostly that it's really disappointing that al qaida couldn't pull it off themselves < 1371097873 564813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely 100% terrorism expert, trust me < 1371097890 827694 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who wrote this report i'm reading presumably read these forums regularly < 1371097893 899599 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i can like, ask < 1371097899 419841 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jihadist 4chan report please" < 1371097985 323524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Bike why am i not asleep yet; checkmate < 1371098004 394753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2013/06/upcoming-revelations-speculations.html am i allowed to be annoyed at an article for being baseless speculation when it has 'speculation' in the title < 1371098021 756545 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're a fucking heathen hth < 1371098036 953152 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha this is bad < 1371098134 408340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft bought Skype for $8 billion dollars. It doesn't seem to make sense. Now that we see Skype and Microsoft prominently mentioned in the PRISM documents, we may find out that this entire thing was a plot by the NSA. < 1371098159 917613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nsa made microsoft buy skype" best conspiracy theory < 1371098196 509169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four billion wordwide population - all living - have a Computer God Containment Policy Brain Bank Brain, a real brain, in the Brain Bank Cities on the far side of the moon we never see. < 1371098219 214846 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1371098221 371838 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jihadology.net/2010/10/20/an%E1%B9%A3ar-al-mujahidin-arabic-forum-adds-a-section-for-women/ this is going well. < 1371098225 430037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I have not yet received an NSL (National Security Letter). Crypto guy Matt Blaze irregularly points this out on twitter as a neat trick. An NSL forbids a person from disclosing that they received the NSL. Thus, while you can't confirm you've received one, you can simply stop posting that you haven't. < 1371098230 948302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i don't fucking believe this works < 1371098250 162759 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because only nerds would do that, for one < 1371098250 873106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsync.net do it too, post a "we haven't had to blah blah blah" thing regularly < 1371098273 680366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any chance whatsoever that ceasing to publish such notices wouldn't be considered an admission that it happened in court < 1371098287 699209 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jihadology.net/2010/10/26/arabic-language-forum-ash-shamukh-al-islamiyyah-announced-the-creation-of-the-shamukh-college-of-islamic-sciences/ Any student that does not attend a lecture three times or more without having permission from the college will be terminated from the program. < 1371098303 593123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a good way to get a free one way flight to eastern europe < 1371098315 484651 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, al-Falluja administrators urged members and visitors on the forums “to take caution and wariness in corresponding via private messages…[and] to use Asrar al-Mujahideen [the Mujahideen Secrets] software and to not avoid this matter.” The aforementioned software, developed by al-Ekhlaas Forum, is a coded-software that enables forum members to communicate directly with Al-Qaida’s offshoot in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). < 1371098348 708459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bentoandstarchky.com/dec/audio/Gangster%20Computer%20God%20Worldwide%20Secret%20Containment%20Policy.mp3 < 1371098369 408376 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nerds are the saddest lawyers. < 1371098381 222005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my weakness: filenames like that < 1371098390 461640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this that guy < 1371098396 324866 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1371098466 236644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is relaxing < 1371098470 954552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel reassured < 1371098476 339753 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/it-sure-has-been-a-while-since-the-tonight-show-di,31267/ < 1371098480 535288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: holy fuck < 1371098483 439373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that erratasec blog < 1371098484 304663 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1371098485 332623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are asking if Edward Snowden (the NSA leaker) is libertarian. My answer is "probably". < 1371098488 527810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We libertarians have a sort of "gaydar", we can spot fellow libertarians even when they say things that are completely neutral and non-political. Back in the day, I was in the "libertarian-closet", and tried to hide my wacky feelings for limited government. I tried to talk and act like everyone else. However, other libertarians could tell my true self. I never understood how that was possible. < 1371098494 446604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I've gotten older, I've discovered that I've got libradar, too, and can often recognize my fellow wackos. I can't say consciously what makes me feel that Snowden is libertarian, but I get that vibe from him. < 1371098498 524497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pppdsfdpogshjfgkdk.fdg;'lsfk < 1371098505 255183 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well he probably is actually a libertarian < 1371098507 408261 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: that's great < 1371098519 433329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We libertarians have a sort of "gaydar" < 1371098585 389091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders libertarianism < 1371098615 84334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc more like kmponder < 1371098637 507542 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hayek is kind of interesting, libertarian-wise < 1371098640 392491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i hear more libertarians trying to loudly differentiate themselves from the privilege-denying fuckwit contingent < 1371098651 780273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because i don't listen to anyone who identifies as a libertarian < 1371098653 351093 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a book by a market socialist whose thesis advisor was Hayek < 1371098661 991679 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel that this may have been sort of awkward? < 1371098696 758139 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well among the obvious answers, how about that they actually believe that 2-axis politics crap < 1371098705 532404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you believe in limited government but you also donate 50% of your income to help the less fortunate, that might be respectable? < 1371098716 858140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like current governments do a great job of helping poor people < 1371098737 689486 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work in a private enterprise that feeds poor people < 1371098739 84137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :synergising recent topics of: NSA, they might be giants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z32-eLOoAUU < 1371098741 927314 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the help ron paul?? < 1371098746 522672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1371098763 646721 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw because i'm still thinking about it they're gonna cut billions from SNAP and aaaaah) < 1371098774 572669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1371098790 433271 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Left & Right is the old tried & effective tactic of " Hegalian Dialectic. " either one you chose-the government wins. btw- in ancient greek or hebrew, Government means mind control. governing the mind,when you study Truth Etymology. you may wish to Check out max Igan's website TheCrowHosue,his podcasts on yt are under ThecrowHouse as well, if your interested in solutions- he lists MANY. & shares the hidden information that is ... < 1371098796 511936 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... going on -that the powers that be,hide from the masses. < 1371098805 591324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. well written & persuasive < 1371098806 901239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i forgot to note the other bonus of clicking that link in that the comments are now predictably nuts < 1371098839 46600 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thenation.com/blog/174753/sword-drops-food-stamps, specifically < 1371098841 476285 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not excite < 1371098843 562110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth Etymology < 1371098861 302173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some sovereign citizen shit < 1371098868 327485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:44:56 kmc: well among the obvious answers, how about that they actually believe that 2-axis politics crap < 1371098871 926470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:46:30 elliott: Left & Right is the old tried & effective tactic of " Hegalian Dialectic. " < 1371098877 298971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: consistency < 1371098913 458267 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you said you were asleep and now you're not asleep!! < 1371098928 42405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did i say i was asleep < 1371098933 95214 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this is especially annoying because SNAP is one of the least wasteful government programs that exist they have graphs for this < 1371098936 674837 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dunno like a week ago < 1371098985 74715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR < 1371098990 612491 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lastlog's elliott.*sleep, discovers just how often you fucking ask < 1371098993 484169 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a lot) < 1371099004 176951 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:37 < elliott> i am going to sleep < 1371099014 199522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is your fuckin lastlog < 1371099030 759400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: should i sleep < 1371099031 795502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can set it to be that long < 1371099045 127254 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18 < elliott> i sleep now. i can only pray gregor's voice survives the brutal night < 1371099064 616734 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was in april. that's barely two months ago!! < 1371099085 444133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does your lastlog go back to fucking april < 1371099089 124121 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:33 < elliott> um i dont sleep Bike you have a history of lack of history < 1371099099 762556 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was march btw < 1371099108 123268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on what do i have to fix in my irssi < 1371099159 949738 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1371099161 672504 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep < 1371099200 97031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even 6 yet < 1371099217 309964 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even my dick yet < 1371099255 236145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly, dicks < 1371099275 578091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will it be your dick Bike < 1371099287 788261 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never. i've taken a vow. < 1371099297 935327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1371099421 503324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really annoying how early it gets light < 1371099434 969658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer it to the early darkness in the winter < 1371099442 620010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get black-out shades < 1371099459 497536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: agree re: early darkness < 1371099460 521491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in college I slept under my desk in a kind of sleeping pod / coffin with thick curtains and wood walls < 1371099470 480664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was good if my roomates were playing loud music or having sex etc < 1371099475 300473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the curtains are open right now because i didn't bother to shut them :V < 1371099484 145881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try being less lazy < 1371099484 294905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i am sure correlates with me sleeping worse < 1371099490 982481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think that is the hardest thing < 1371099518 18194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the perfect season is one where it gets bright late and dark late, imo someone should invent it < 1371099544 465569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called 'shifting your sleep schedule' < 1371099570 841963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371099572 838638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand < 1371099576 505248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's everyone else that should shift < 1371099585 173610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote peple < 1371099586 693153 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :116) Some people are reasonable, some people who are not reasonable insist on changing things so therefore progress depends on not reasonablepeple < 1371099588 661791 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/a97d40d2ad1395c4d197e5724c80121a/tumblr_mob8t8kQuB1r8se0eo1_1280.jpg pictured: kmc < 1371099592 16402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ me < 1371099596 850194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was re: 116 not re: Bike < 1371099599 256588 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the bird < 1371099600 332751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know someone who did that kind of thing too, moved their mattress from above their desk to under their desk < 1371099607 554821 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably be claustrophobic but it sounds really nice < 1371099609 617040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was reasonably popular < 1371099613 875610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get more storage space too < 1371099629 193156 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :our dorm was the quiet dorm, and it had a thing people jokingly called the intercom < 1371099634 878010 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was that sound travelled really really well < 1371099635 755900 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great now i'm going to be thinking about this when i look at dorms on monday < 1371099640 215194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel like this would be a good time to make a monqy sleeping on the floor joke but unfortunately he isn't here < 1371099640 916146 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like if you made a lot of noise people would come breathe down your neck < 1371099642 993911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was usually super quiet < 1371099646 38130 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the sleepabilitiy of this desk < 1371099652 735606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1371099684 572910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think that would make me paranoid to make any sound whatsoever < 1371099688 21281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also had some people reorganize rooms by function < 1371099694 884530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quiet room with a bunch of beds, a socializing room < 1371099704 376578 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well people mainly just didn't talk much in their rooms < 1371099706 291889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epsilon Theta at MIT takes this to the extreme < 1371099716 278104 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :collectivize the dorms < 1371099719 912195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all sleep in a big room in the attic which is quiet and dark 24/7 < 1371099724 257590 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1371099747 260157 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm organizing pdfs; what folder should i put a document about jihadist nerds dying in syria in < 1371099748 778472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, communism < 1371099753 732838 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~open poll~ < 1371099767 364293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow good horse_ebooks, is that a recent one < 1371099773 859277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i "lost track" of horse_ebooks < 1371099779 288166 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1371099805 104953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume the folders are Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, Aftermath in which case I would say Chaos < 1371099807 860591 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, everyone in the dorm sleeping together? < 1371099820 389573 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1371099829 74911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Horse_ebooks/status/344933381060038656 https://twitter.com/Horse_ebooks/status/344949349907849216 still goin wrong i see < 1371099832 120013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1371099833 576766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by wrong i mean strong < 1371099833 795363 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moves to Psychology (burn) < 1371099842 692672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well typed horse ebooks do not go wrong < 1371099863 826375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think the badly-typed ones are usually funnier < 1371099894 631122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There was always a danger of side effects . Sometimes the side effects could be serious. Danger of" < 1371099905 103877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell_ebooks < 1371099907 169076 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1371099942 178755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :todo: add a markov chain generator to lambdabot < 1371099951 543580 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to get mendeley or something ugh < 1371099960 579271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOLDING FOLDING FOLDING FOLOING FOLDING FOLDING FOLDING FOLDING FOLDING FOLDING FOLOING FOLOING BOXBOARDS B0X60ARDS BOXBOARDS BOXBOARDS < 1371099961 150224 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have so much crap in a "Computer Engineering" folder < 1371099996 201921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yo if you figure out a good thing to dump pdfs into let me know < 1371100000 973302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget why i decided not to try mendeley < 1371100009 128281 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think anyone reading the titles of all these papers would conclude that i was compulsive < 1371100020 694322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend who proofreads / typesets papers says that mendeley kind of sucks but she doesn't know a better alternative < 1371100026 146641 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1371100029 596071 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: write one in haskell < 1371100039 96944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my requirements: metadata, it fills in the metadata for me from a citeseerx link or something, tagging, full body text search < 1371100048 52473 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds pretty nice < 1371100049 377821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it < 1371100079 647300 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suddenly forget if citeseerx covers more than CS < 1371100090 934484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it should have a magic button to turn awful .ps files without selectable text into .pdfs with selectable text < 1371100094 109992 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm thinking of ACM < 1371100105 992090 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i have so many pdfs without selectable text < 1371100111 726832 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or worse, badly selectable text < 1371100113 229173 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo war crime < 1371100113 830013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :citeseerx does all sciences I think? < 1371100122 279518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the dismal science? < 1371100123 646734 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks like it < 1371100123 865287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i like the ones where it's badly auto-OCR'd behidn the scenes < 1371100126 417998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you copy it and it's just fuck < 1371100128 24257 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES fuck that < 1371100156 11731 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's just like, fuck you i'll type up this whole fucking 19th century book on bugs for you if it means i can paste without getting insane garbage < 1371100173 514407 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt nerdy as shit < 1371100222 871343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's anything written before the 60s < 1371100229 153161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not my field" < 1371100242 710452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 60s is wrong < 1371100251 625193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're going to say babbage or something < 1371100254 147647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm oignoi tjoeri jdgk sgnfkjslztps`df < 1371100255 141114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[zpcX}|VLkz;fsmknorhtJGKPSDVX|:CL/ko < 1371100256 49624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lagoepF :|SZdlfkpGN]rgaw < 1371100257 297946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ezsd pfdo]l[ \"DX>?C Bd < 1371100258 351251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :szg\;XVC">?,ml < 1371100261 42958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :de=sw3za]`[; < 1371100263 551033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`l < 1371100265 301374 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: l: not found < 1371100266 106260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]df[\hg;'N? < 1371100267 689104 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually tried to read Babbage's Bridgewater treatise once. < 1371100274 617783 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was boring) < 1371100285 839860 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sometimes got the shitty OCR problem with like 60s papers on GC or shit like that < 1371100295 212170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone mind if i flood the channel with say 5-10 lines < 1371100299 559018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of lambdabot command listing < 1371100302 175158 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you already do that < 1371100303 17699 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371100303 99027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be emotionally helpful < 1371100309 537859 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're asleep so < 1371100311 783235 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say go for it < 1371100312 149941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1371100313 830863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ < 1371100313 930750 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . 1337 ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s bf bid botsnack bouvier brain bug check choice-add choose cide clear-messages clear-topic compose define dequeue-topic < 1371100314 28192 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :devils dice dict-help djinn djinn-add djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval faq farber flush foldoc forget fortune free freshname gazetteer < 1371100314 100077 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :get-shapr get-topic ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage haskellers help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect jargon join karma karma+ karma- < 1371100314 100165 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma-all keal kind l33t learn leave leet let list listall listchans listmodules listservers localtime localtime-reply messages messages-loud messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline < 1371100314 100210 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :palomer part paste ping pinky pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pop-topic pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices push- < 1371100315 956495 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3 @more lines] < 1371100317 883767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1371100317 991738 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic queue-topic quit quote rc reconnect remember repoint roll run sequence set-topic shift-topic shootout show slap smack spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thesaurus thx tic-tac-toe ticker < 1371100319 976518 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :time todo todo-add todo-delete type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless unshift-topic uptime url v vera version vote what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1371100321 944162 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow < 1371100324 960975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow < 1371100326 130983 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yow < 1371100328 381039 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@shootout < 1371100328 478473 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all < 1371100333 387809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really glad yow gets its own line < 1371100334 684293 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i was thinking shooting < 1371100353 928229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Bike < 1371100355 175061 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Bike is Wed Jun 12 22:12:34 2013 < 1371100356 346986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help localtime-reply < 1371100356 443949 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :time . Print a user's local time. User's client must support ctcp pings. < 1371100358 690051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1371100362 227794 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1371100362 418156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime-reply sdjfsdjf < 1371100365 809222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1371100370 433174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1371100370 795563 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is what < 1371100373 546802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :localtime-reply < 1371100376 365923 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Jun 13 06:12:50 2013 < 1371100380 954493 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just CTCP TIMEs you < 1371100398 907534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm < 1371100401 448294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know that < 1371100401 752767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1371100403 694926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1371100405 689321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime-reply q < 1371100410 397098 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Jun 13 06:13:23 2013 < 1371100413 204257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1371100419 633369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1371100419 893061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime-reply q < 1371100423 420583 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Jun 13 06:13:39 2013 < 1371100423 907886 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this like asyncronous. < 1371100427 96978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1371100433 432178 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no fucking sense i love it < 1371100435 62073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uh < 1371100438 361489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maps the ctcp reply to a privmsg < 1371100441 611050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with @localtime-reply in front of it < 1371100443 19948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking disgusting < 1371100447 282463 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime-reply elliott < 1371100450 925765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should < 1371100451 578831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix that < 1371100454 946908 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it oh no < 1371100473 210550 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why i have this paper on tobacco viruses < 1371100506 185084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are hella studied viruses aren't they < 1371100513 651628 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Evolution is the process by which the genetic structure of the population of an organism changes with time." well i guess whoever wrote this was really fucking desperate to fill out the abstract < 1371100517 664599 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the first in fact < 1371100525 76273 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatshername who invented DNA studied them, too! it's cool < 1371100559 712872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filler is the process by which the abstract of a paper is progressively padded with redundant information which the intended audience of the paper is already aware of. < 1371100569 576041 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. yeah, basically < 1371100570 301985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird how many important plants are in Solanaceae < 1371100577 51073 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't something like that in SIGBOVIK < 1371100583 997093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomatos and potatoes and tobacco and DEADLY NIGHTSHADE < 1371100609 563938 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know what they say, large genera have diverse speciation < 1371100613 586552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reminded of irl tomacco < 1371100615 723186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1371100621 322512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they say that < 1371100621 760009 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tom...acco? < 1371100632 778196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Products_produced_from_The_Simpsons#Tomacco < 1371100636 883389 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1371100638 189789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic article title < 1371100658 718202 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's in origin of species actually, it's pretty cool. darwin's like "yo without evolution how do you explain that big genera have more varieties" and the creationists were like "uhhhhhh" < 1371100697 456957 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt)" heh i forgot that was the title < 1371100753 889779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me also that the genus Clostridium is responsible for botulism, tetanus, terrifying antibiotic-resistant hospital diarrhea disease, and salt-rising bread < 1371100767 824555 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably not helping tomaccoism: the virus is actually called Tobamovirus < 1371100773 895763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gas gangrene < 1371100782 458655 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that gangrene you get from gasoline < 1371100782 899197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'pulpy kidney disease' in sheep < 1371100787 321122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, good guess tho < 1371100790 838143 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok uh that sounds worse than the rest < 1371100799 433564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: barack tobamo < 1371100799 771112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a sheep.............. < 1371100801 958303 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't... i don't want pulpy kidneys < 1371100821 450911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1371100822 972138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you want gas gangrene or turbodiarrhea either < 1371100823 44100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i sleep < 1371100824 798907 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[that latin word i forget that means spread of disease between animal species] kmc!! < 1371100831 301858 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes or i'll infect you with MRSA < 1371100842 816231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember MRSA < 1371100843 746660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1371100853 485256 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still exists hth < 1371100857 78865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory resident software application < 1371100858 712369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also remember foot and mouth < 1371100859 620591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1371100873 239336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about mad cow < 1371100893 129867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was "before my time"? < 1371100893 860366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1371100894 412044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have totally drug-resistant TB in india now < 1371100895 392464 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only true 90s kids remember rinderpest < 1371100915 123619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, eradicated < 1371100927 728470 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "the other eradicated disease" yeah < 1371100947 654491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read http://www.amazon.com/dp/0312427654 recently < 1371100949 113075 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think next on the list is some kind of worm i forget < 1371100949 392144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good book < 1371100971 883345 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a shame because Dracunculiasis is a pretty boss name < 1371100976 972688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he talks about the campaign to eradicate polio and how they are always very close but it's almost impossible to finish the job < 1371100989 335685 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh that just reminds me of reports from pakistan < 1371101006 512551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo eradicate colds and headaches next twh < 1371101008 726758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a kid gets polio in an area where it's uncommon, the CDC sends like thousands of people there overnight to vaccinate everyone < 1371101022 481009 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colds kill half a million people every year but aren't on the list < 1371101024 944282 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is disease < 1371101036 434359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well cars kill several million people every year < 1371101040 191862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no no < 1371101042 393574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for selfish reasons < 1371101045 542457 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know < 1371101049 191597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i've never had rinderpest, personally. < 1371101058 762895 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're a cow < 1371101059 288164 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eradicate disease in elliotts < 1371101067 501720 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you'd be surprised! < 1371101077 424510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monomorphism restriction is a good way to avoid polio < 1371101079 465738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a cow? < 1371101086 998813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a perfectly spherical cow < 1371101089 690459 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1371101096 832155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1371101103 162703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get moo < 1371101104 744251 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how i'd never heard of two of the next three diseases to be eliminated and i'll never get them < 1371101111 241846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hey kmc is infringing on your trademark < 1371101115 691705 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow yaws looks... really nasty, though < 1371101121 971995 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yaws_01.jpg warning: ew < 1371101128 496214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ew are we talking < 1371101134 406397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm about to sleep so i don't need awful mental images < 1371101144 516980 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as ew as that picture of the guy with the necrotic leg < 1371101149 352971 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lumpy < 1371101240 687483 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i'm pissed about malaria vaccination again help < 1371101262 364725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1371101268 864452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a thing? < 1371101279 648063 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, measles i meant < 1371101285 797393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371101288 717498 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you pissed? < 1371101290 254866 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaria is just bad all by itself < 1371101301 389127 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: do you know about "the controversy" < 1371101307 626570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was shachaf's statement an extremly oblique pun on "MMR"? < 1371101307 734083 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume I don't < 1371101322 868156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, just "poly-o" < 1371101337 761291 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some people think measles vaccines cause autism and so don't get them and then get measles < 1371101340 769983 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1371101362 647584 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway did you know there's such a thing as infectious blindness (in humans). elliott: do you need this to sleep < 1371101366 728746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc why do books have forewords that are added years after the book is written and are only interesting to people who have already read the book < 1371101374 800092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just put it at the end of the book < 1371101377 658741 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, elliott needs infectious blindness to sleep < 1371101388 366795 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: those suck < 1371101408 212475 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for real old novels where they explain the whole plot. < 1371101415 165620 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like boreword amirite < 1371101518 828096 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they should be postwords? < 1371101539 578022 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my copy of On the Road has a few of those. < 1371101553 678559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better than The Road? < 1371101555 849833 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that book is shit < 1371101589 557555 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are we on a road?" "Because we have to be." "Okay." "Okay." "Okay." < 1371101594 148078 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, I have summarized the entire book < 1371101600 583695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for godot's road < 1371101616 256255 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read The Road but I stopped reading On the Road because I got bored of him going on about random sex with run-on sentences < 1371101629 136111 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound quite as bad < 1371101631 60436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even have sex with a sentence < 1371101641 448608 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno but he managed < 1371101646 559995 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my copy is pre-editing. it shows) < 1371101671 879184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking tweakers < 1371101678 332977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike did you read three men in a boat < 1371101702 958223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a book about a road.......made of water < 1371101703 276755 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1371101704 829651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's goo < 1371101708 159210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1371101720 130196 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me that the Solaris film is apparently freely watchable < 1371101725 200024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I don't understand Russian. < 1371101737 679970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc can confirm that _Three Men in a Boat_ is good. < 1371101741 616529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1371101746 995277 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed < 1371101751 63884 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google three men in a boat < 1371101751 716243 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Men_in_a_Boat < 1371101751 822054 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Three Men in a Boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1371101778 185421 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, looks good. < 1371101788 265520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1371101805 140559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/308-h.htm < 1371101845 331419 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's convenient. < 1371101853 473897 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'll read it once i sort these pdfs. < 1371101857 41017 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1371102348 242070 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371102483 664262 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371103282 291933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo http://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog/2013/write_some_fucking_code.html is a bit unfair to the whole idea of reading about things you're learning about < 1371103336 352686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1371103349 255176 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, ha, sexually oriented jokes < 1371103354 953146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1371103404 273193 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought monad tutorials were a thing that's so stale that every meta-commentary on meta-commentaries about them is already just as stale, etc < 1371103422 514217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this person has seen the burrito article < 1371103423 362728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1371103483 825530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that reminds me should i watch _Brazil_ < 1371103491 269145 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i put this paper about the grandmother hypothesis under Bio/ or Anthro/ < 1371103502 587595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes shachaf < 1371103504 628976 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess both the writers are anthropologists good enough < 1371103507 203593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it be depressing < 1371103511 562018 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371103537 504878 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why do i have a chinual page < 1371103734 75745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so when are you going to move to ca < 1371103738 887026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :before jul 1? < 1371103742 159506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1371103745 346994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a few days before < 1371103751 35872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1371103753 65695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking to some people now about maybe living at their house < 1371103768 374661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla offered me a really sweet deal including relocation expenses < 1371103793 956470 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1371103796 17331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't understand why they have so much money..... < 1371103809 889570 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, mozilla? < 1371103811 974560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371103825 283819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess when 20% of the world uses your browser, and a browser is one of the most important programs, you can make a lot of money from it < 1371103837 889503 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said they were paid off by Google. < 1371103841 969440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371103850 525976 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i have a pdf reverse engineering final fantasy seven. < 1371103851 398751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :google has a lot more money hth < 1371103852 201671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand intuitively how they can make so much from that < 1371103862 194737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't like sat down and tried to crunch the numbers < 1371103887 462588 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well intuitively speaking, google has basically infinite money < 1371103892 801947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they don't have a mandate to pay dividends or grow in an aggressive shortsighted way < 1371103903 250076 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mozilla isn't publically traded? < 1371103909 794040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they are a non-profit foundation < 1371103914 858322 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wack < 1371103934 15894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit that owns the taxable Mozilla Corporation < 1371103945 103982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a kind of odd structure < 1371103947 493710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if you work at mozilla in sf maybe you'll meet $REDACTED < 1371103951 203274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not as sketchy as IKEA! < 1371103954 648330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whosat < 1371103958 8411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind i shouldn't talk about it < 1371103968 791124 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not ominous at all < 1371103972 825058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember someone tried to draw the corporate ownership chart at my finance job and it was wack < 1371103978 282764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like every trading strategy had its own LLC < 1371103985 930000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that were owned in some kind of complicated tree < 1371103989 516463 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1371103990 503721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1371103994 787775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then my actual employer was just contracting services to them < 1371104003 880569 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some Accelerando shit < 1371104004 647372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except my actual ACTUAL employer was a HR services provider < 1371104009 91242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1371104032 32073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read Accelerando a few months before I started looking for jobs out of college, and I have to say that I took the HFT job in large part because of that book < 1371104032 614434 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :np-complete problems of the future: find a hamiltonian cycle of your employer < 1371104036 696336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D :D < 1371104037 612372 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1371104045 784687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i presume they are independent LLCs so that each strategy can go bankrupt on its own < 1371104055 878024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, i don't know what that is. < 1371104064 453406 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of bizarre evolutionary strategy < 1371104086 159241 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like if i had nine independent hands and each one was wired a different way, and if i lost a hand well whatever it probably sucked anyway < 1371104092 362876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also e.g. some parts of the company-cluster were certified broker-dealers, which gets you certain rights and privileges in the markets < 1371104103 843933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of the strategies had to be extra super legally separate so they got offices with doors. < 1371104116 226854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there people in the offices < 1371104133 300355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few < 1371104143 641152 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were the people publically traded < 1371104150 694168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no afaik < 1371104160 25457 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1371104171 256718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can i buy shares of Bike < 1371104181 64198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some of the traders retained ownership of their trading code and had brought it from other firms < 1371104185 662303 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet somewhere there's a company where different strategies have their own LLCs and compete over employees in a private market < 1371104191 449813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371104207 303916 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i bud, sorry < 1371104209 816187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sort of did that < 1371104213 816616 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1371104224 593712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'general' pool of programmers was (at least at one point) seen mainly as a tool for recruiting people into strategies < 1371104227 253511 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i keep these pdfs from a space school about Future Technology < 1371104234 441631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea that they would actually produce generally useful code was maybe secondary < 1371104252 254260 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1371104273 717489 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a paper on classical conditioning being sub-turing... < 1371104283 373284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the sysadmin group was its own little fiefdom and if you wanted good computers or whatever, you needed to have a lot of trade revenue so you could promise them big bonuses < 1371104296 746073 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's uh, weird < 1371104303 190376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet they had none of the transparency or SLAs or such you would expect from an actual internal market < 1371104305 469465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do all finance companies work this way < 1371104309 212612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they were moving in that direction when I left < 1371104310 123920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1371104323 8195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's a spectrum between "unified company" and "shell for many independent strategies" < 1371104323 718617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always sounded like yours was kind of dysfunctional < 1371104327 254257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was < 1371104335 839566 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was it dysfunctional? < 1371104338 92920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some firms, everyone can see all the code, and all the money is pooled deterministically < 1371104342 121442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see above, for one < 1371104355 859117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the sysadmin group was just bad at their jobs, but they couldn't be fired because Personal Connections < 1371104357 952940 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i don't even know what "SLA" means, maybe i shouldn't ask < 1371104363 458700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :service level agreement < 1371104375 482708 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no idea :P < 1371104379 95243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "we will provide 99.9% uptime or else you get $bignum" < 1371104400 371081 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a contract? < 1371104401 727923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were actually buying trading infrastructure services from an external company, you would want one < 1371104404 538021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes "we will provide 99.9% uptime or else you get $thedifferenceinhostingcostswhichisbasicallynothing" < 1371104407 680683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the internal sysadmin group didn't provide them < 1371104433 977991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I'm saying they tried to sell their services internally, but in an opaque and unaccountable way < 1371104437 198371 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371104440 359828 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO still waiting for an answer on the space thing < 1371104452 636579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were absurdly miserly about small things like RAM upgrades < 1371104456 19997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: delete all pdfs hth < 1371104457 288113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for production high frequency trading machines < 1371104468 507371 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the paper about inter-universal teichmuller theory, which i will never, ever understand < 1371104470 893314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have to think it wasn't just about the miniscule cost but about making pepole beg and bargain < 1371104473 867059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about space < 1371104506 203259 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some pdfs from a mildly shady space technology oriented school, about terraforming and impact in African nations and such < 1371104518 579880 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if i believe them well enough to keep them so why not ask people who really don't give a damn (that's you) < 1371104586 437054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm don't want to read these atm < 1371104652 728219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On 20 December 2011 Mozilla announced that the contract was once again renewed for at least three years to November 2014, at three times the amount previously paid, or nearly US$300 million annually" < 1371104661 182800 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from google? < 1371104663 561466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371104669 862725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for making Google the default search engine in Firefox < 1371104682 964661 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an incredible payoff for just that < 1371104685 164620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"due to competing interest from both Yahoo and Microsoft" < 1371104703 875204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a staggering amount of money, but I don't really have a handle on how much Google makes from those searches < 1371104707 360807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they think it's a good deal < 1371104727 542614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSFT has loads of money and if FF switched to Bing, that would be a huge blow < 1371104756 731525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess my salary is effectively a byproduct of a Google / MSFT bidding war, at least until 2014 < 1371104769 818499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really find this any weirder or less reputable than the way other tech companies get funded < 1371104780 967190 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why MSFT hasn't sued for antitrust yet < 1371104791 345302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sued Google for bundling, or such? < 1371104800 167229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of pot kettle there, don't you think ;) < 1371104800 276130 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cartels, or something < 1371104805 484254 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, definitely < 1371104807 494238 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: patents < 1371104818 535461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i don't think it's a cartel if Mozilla auctioned it off to the highest bidder < 1371104837 418963 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pot calls the kettle black, and the chicken comes by and gets covered in soot < 1371104843 5101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not much of a lawyer though < 1371104848 974130 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :before yelling at the pot and kettle about how black they are < 1371104854 820309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i thought you were my attorney < 1371104856 706004 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, did you know there's a word for the dual situation of a monopoly, where there's only one buyer? < 1371104858 981801 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then someone turns out the lights < 1371104860 614757 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that's pretty cool < 1371104864 810592 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: monopsony < 1371104868 409809 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371104889 880538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool word < 1371104931 918739 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why_i_dont_have_a_girlfriend.pdf < 1371104932 419675 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: your country's department of defence has a monopsony < 1371104936 585014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah was about to say < 1371104938 302857 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still manages to waste shit-tons of money < 1371104948 450548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not quite, because we export hella weapons, but that's also approved by the govt < 1371104964 597875 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the bit where the navy was the only one buying aircraft carriers and there's also only one corporation that can build aircraft carriers < 1371104966 469252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they waste shit-tons of money because of regulatory capture I guess < 1371104969 742246 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free market in action right there < 1371104978 896316 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you also have like 300k people with top secret clearance < 1371104981 93370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so top really < 1371104983 425103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really 'waste', it's deliberately being funneled to for-profit companies < 1371104988 370080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's a lot of actual waste too < 1371105000 85445 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dump the money into the reactors < 1371105017 119229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fair use for Tsar Bomba... The photograph belongs to Russian department of Atomic Energy Minatom. Introducing the picture on our server does not interfere with their ability to develop and market new nuclear devices" < 1371105025 586307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, you know what the world needs? < 1371105034 753600 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more cool ships? < 1371105037 322611 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a device which tells you which wiki is better: the one on wikia or the one that isn't < 1371105041 895331 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since everything has exactly two wikis < 1371105042 261320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well there are higher clearance levels < 1371105046 521936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but you're not allowed to know about them < 1371105060 677848 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would be pretty nice coppro < 1371105065 884021 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's get elliott to invent it < 1371105071 783411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doors in the rudders of big ships < 1371105075 517004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The one on Wikia is worse by definition. hth < 1371105182 653465 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the US classification system has secret/top secret and all but also has this weird sort of tag system < 1371105182 859214 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well there's cosmic top secret < 1371105183 877569 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gamma < 1371105199 747398 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly there are Special Interest Groups which you sometimes need classification to know about < 1371105200 751917 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's far from true < 1371105206 700955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGBOVIK < 1371105217 888685 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIA special interest group on bovikation < 1371105218 124989 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this is reasonably common < 1371105221 561530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGKILL < 1371105226 307041 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that the US needs them more than other countries < 1371105235 673840 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but classified info is normally need-to-know < 1371105249 374046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bovakistan < 1371105249 809506 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :having clearance is necessary but far from sufficient < 1371105257 42569 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have no idea about other countries because i haven't looked < 1371105264 175957 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1371105270 987826 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US classification I know about because it's on wikileaks docs etc < 1371105273 546985 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tagging system is, I assume, just a way of implementing < 1371105280 778068 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1371105292 700941 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like NOFORN = even if a foreign national has clearance don't show 'em < 1371105293 318805 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :et < 1371105294 43392 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1371105305 606272 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that < 1371105310 470807 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOFORN would be different, I think < 1371105323 599751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a foreign national even with the need to know couldn't be given NOFORN info < 1371105347 683512 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do sometimes make exceptions i think but yeah < 1371105356 479002 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371105363 440571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would i be allowed to see NOFORN things < 1371105385 564908 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah they're all on wikileaks < 1371105392 405447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'allowed' < 1371105401 809833 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowed by wikileaks hth < 1371105510 66656 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get classification at all. there was that pakistani guy who like invented nukes for them and then they decided you're not the right kind of muslim so fuck off and bam clearance gone? governments are crazy imo < 1371105581 750891 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they did that with oppenheimer too. except w/o the muslim bit < 1371105607 772219 :oleg!~oleg@host-static-92-115-42-25.moldtelecom.md JOIN :#esoteric < 1371105632 518190 :oleg!~oleg@host-static-92-115-42-25.moldtelecom.md NICK :Guest17482 < 1371105667 199442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know oppenheimer tried to poison his professor < 1371105676 163074 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not surprised < 1371105708 458733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who hasn't, really < 1371105740 746198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, why do people *still* spread monad misinformation? Just plain lies. < 1371105754 918867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should have a test that you have to pass before you're allowed to talk about the topic. < 1371105756 449732 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should classify monads < 1371105760 462511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then pass no one. < 1371105778 509974 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are not a crook < 1371105793 769163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how are the pdfs going < 1371105804 220017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they misinformationing in #haskell < 1371105805 619424 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I am president of the united states < 1371105809 600397 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will classify the lunch menu < 1371105814 972916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i am king you will be first against the wall < 1371105827 854268 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that anyone who tries to eat lunch in the white house without clearance is in violation of classification < 1371105832 986053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's treason, citizen < 1371105835 87365 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: moved a few dozen < 1371105852 131269 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm too sleepy to read this paper on optimizing away Y combinators, yes < 1371105854 618408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no on hn comments on that article < 1371105858 931876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i looked up for some reason < 1371105870 598293 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bad idea < 1371105871 183109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that reason because you are a masochist < 1371105876 332513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could there be any other reason < 1371105898 451836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1371105912 301116 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this paper is on kolmogorov complexity in presburger arithmetic < 1371105917 187360 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck am i even doing with this < 1371105918 413627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a particular variety of masochist, sure < 1371105920 311526 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i < 1371105955 355172 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taming Wildcards in Java's Type System" ok strongly considering the deleting all pdfs option < 1371105967 165673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott and i have a sort of sadism-masochism relationship < 1371105984 775975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think he started it < 1371106033 210918 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hobbes, Rawls, Nussbaum, Buchmann, and All Seven of the Virtues" < 1371106035 549611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this thread is p. great < 1371106043 7592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question: "what is a monad, really? < 1371106057 398376 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a miserable little pile of morphisms < 1371106060 400612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :an answer that talks about bind taking the value out of the monad and wrapping it in another monad < 1371106061 105888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is monad, baby don't hurt me < 1371106066 139039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graaah < 1371106068 440704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :an answer that talks about composition of adjoint functors < 1371106084 276072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32 < kmc> you can take the kmc out of the #haskell but you can never take the #haskell out of the kmc < 1371106086 372585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the ideal thread of bad explanations < 1371106106 975101 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks how unintuitive "a thing that follows these rules" is an explanation apparently < 1371106164 386736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's focus on the real question: should i eat more noodles < 1371106168 861714 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god yes < 1371106179 940540 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbr.pdf has surprisingly little to do with hipsters < 1371106201 175825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "let's focus on the real question: should i eat more nooodles" | rnooodl < 1371106202 925096 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's focus on the real question: should i eat more noooodles < 1371106207 719217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "let's focus on the real question: should i eat more nooodles" | rnooodl < 1371106209 400697 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's focus on the real question: should i eat more noooooooodles < 1371106213 153681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more like it < 1371106227 95033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that PBR's claim to have won a Blue Ribbon is highly dubious < 1371106240 224368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the ice cream shop down the street that says «"The World's Best Ice Cream" -- New York Times» on the window < 1371106248 781654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :toscanini's? < 1371106250 931964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371106256 270405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was there! < 1371106258 794046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate ice cream < 1371106262 780508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it the wordl's best < 1371106271 205444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burnt caramel ice cream was not to my taste < 1371106280 457670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burnt:caramel ratio was too high < 1371106282 939738 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf will just have to eat every oether ice cream in the world to be sure < 1371106291 193327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have good ice cream in sf < 1371106308 410087 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Analogy Between Physics and Topology" it's way too midnight for this shit < 1371106317 978294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was at that place with the liquid nitrogen ice cream < 1371106318 204460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to the Three Twins location in Lower Haight but then it burned down :/ < 1371106321 860510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepared in front of your very eyes < 1371106323 126848 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott linked me this one actually. fuck you, elliott. read your fucking hott < 1371106345 715968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh are you looking for papers to read < 1371106347 32127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some < 1371106351 802372 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no for fuck's sake < 1371106352 611656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice: Undefined index: user in include() (line 272 of /home/content/48/8614948/html/sites/all/themes/fusion/fusion_starter/node--scoop-shop.tpl.php). < 1371106357 214452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have good frozen yogurt in downtown mountain view < 1371106367 663623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ok < 1371106369 571334 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorblindness in cuttlefish < 1371106372 446484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more about the toppings, imo < 1371106373 292527 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be relevant to my life < 1371106379 83303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they can see polarization can't they < 1371106395 540757 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1371106408 98139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can't they mimick colors? can't be totally color blind < 1371106417 544044 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this paper is about literally exactly that < 1371106423 879202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good < 1371106430 916366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more comments: "learning Haskell verges on learning mathematical concepts at times and learning monads is definitely one of those times" < 1371106441 634190 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1371106442 694932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the tl;dr < 1371106464 18607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the paper? i refer you to my "oh god it's midnight why am i doing this (dong this)" < 1371106472 855335 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme look again < 1371106508 815495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow you're saying programming is related to math? incredible < 1371106529 73866 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess their answer is "yep definitely colorblind but that camo thing sure is weird" < 1371106533 995178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote programm.*math < 1371106534 131179 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: Haskell isn't really designed by mathematicians. it's designed by people who programmers would consider to be mathematicians and mathematicians would consider to be programmers < 1371106534 212524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good science < 1371106536 399325 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suggest it might have to do with perception of contrast < 1371106539 948537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote programm.*math < 1371106540 85612 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: Haskell isn't really designed by mathematicians. it's designed by people who programmers would consider to be mathematicians and mathematicians would consider to be programmers < 1371106542 395159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1371106543 195652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote programm.*math < 1371106543 310561 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: Haskell isn't really designed by mathematicians. it's designed by people who programmers would consider to be mathematicians and mathematicians would consider to be programmers < 1371106556 188506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote programming.*math < 1371106556 325496 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: programming is inherently mathematical. furthermore, the connection between haskell and maths is overblown by people who don't understand the language < 1371106562 91171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc stop it with the quotes < 1371106589 972620 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmquotable < 1371106601 652242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote math.*programm < 1371106601 789199 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRWBW says: category theory gives math a bad name. sorta like functional programming does with computer science. < 1371106609 628603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh TRWBW < 1371106616 744372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is TRWBW still around in ##math < 1371106628 746892 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i have a paper on Blue Gene simulations of cats, awesome < 1371106650 48093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like how that quote is in the quote database twice. < 1371106662 998342 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you tell < 1371106675 270619 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually don't answer that it can be a mystery < 1371106675 886184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: today I told people that you need monads to do IO the same way you need ZFC set theory to do 2+2 < 1371106689 653758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's a double-spaced and single-spaced version. < 1371106695 699862 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh that's not such a bad analogy really < 1371106708 204207 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's New Foundations in this analogy < 1371106716 422735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget kmc Haskell isn't really designed by mathematicians. it's designed by people who programmers would consider to be mathematicians and mathematicians would consider to be programmers < 1371106716 522199 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1371106721 782162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Bike < 1371106723 522226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw. < 1371106731 951279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably analogy for that argument. < 1371106751 853352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow's headlines: haskell requires programmers to know zfc to write hello world < 1371106756 39124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371106766 32524 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[world's best] really [...] not [...] bad analogy" -- Bike < 1371106766 140502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sorry actually < 1371106779 219677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said you need *category theory* for IO the same way etc < 1371106789 394059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1371106800 247854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to understand the stdlib thing named "Monad" but that's not such a big deal < 1371106801 572516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one retweeted you < 1371106803 863593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1371106809 690533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it < 1371106815 923404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i used tweeter so i could retwit you < 1371106839 608896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also complained about #haskell < 1371106843 624846 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client doesn't show replies i guess < 1371106844 477255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw. < 1371106844 588695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably saw that too < 1371106847 877827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should send your quote in to HWN. < 1371106856 505537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody retwerped that either < 1371106858 131028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1371106867 979877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/hwnquotes < 1371106878 910829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo retweet your own tweet and stick @HWNQuotes in front of it < 1371106881 699990 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest i'm not sure i'd want to see this argument though < 1371106881 875318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll show 'em < 1371106926 460830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this is the thread i was talking about if anyone else has masochistic tendencies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5872002 < 1371106929 159125 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing about programming languages is like negative my things < 1371106956 166622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing about programming languages is like using similes < 1371106977 779879 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit i have a homotopy type theory paper help < 1371106986 202446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: rm -f -f -f hth < 1371107013 912400 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :site-name_-_title_-_mod-yyyy-mod-mm-mod-dd.pdf < 1371107014 726500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hott seems "p. cool actually" < 1371107037 943328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did I ever ask you about that thing I was trying to figure out with inequality? < 1371107046 355234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type inequality. < 1371107054 543115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371107074 885657 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok finishing this tomorrow thank's for playing < 1371107086 440729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tia < 1371107102 289745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell10 + RankNTypes, something like "forall p. p Char -> p Bool" is completely independent, as far as I can tell. < 1371107124 106101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. foo :: forall p. p Char -> p Bool and bar :: (forall p. p Char -> p Bool) -> Void are both unprovable (without ⊥ etc.) < 1371107155 973584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GADTs and TypeFamilies both let you prove bar, but those are huge and slightly dubious extensions. Is there a smaller extension that'll let you prove bar? < 1371107176 731406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :((forall p. p A -> p B) is Leibniz type equality between A and B.) < 1371107244 397344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1371107281 948654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way GADTs give it to you is more or less by omitting a warning when a GADT pattern match would lead to a unification error. < 1371107310 578329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems, well, reasonable, but an axiom-via-not-printing-a-warning seems kind of suspicious. I'd like to see it stated explicitly somehow. < 1371107372 821809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get edwardkomments about affine types? < 1371107380 153583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371107408 856180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I wrote the appropriate GADT < 1371107423 598258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo t where FooChar :: Foo Char; FooBool :: Void -> Foo Bool < 1371107432 728214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eq :: (forall p. p Char -> p Bool) -> Void; eq f = case f FooChar of FooBool v -> v < 1371107435 727250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you had in mind? < 1371107444 583096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. That's how you do it with GADTs. < 1371107454 439449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where do you think it should warn? < 1371107487 155816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't necessarily think it should warn -- it's just that this "axiom" is implemented via not warning about the fact that you're not matching FooChar. < 1371107488 709343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i decided to have beer instead of more noodles < 1371107493 264001 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fool < 1371107504 202119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see it stated explicitly. < 1371107509 460467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you match FooChar? the type doesn't match < 1371107515 126654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1371107526 978624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, imagine you tried to emulate GADTs with Leibniz equality. < 1371107528 312127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want something like «case f FooChar of FooBool v -> v; FooChar ()» < 1371107536 114033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an absurd pattern in Agda? < 1371107542 136121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I may have misremembered the syntax < 1371107546 242143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but you need a proof that it's absurd. < 1371107547 116990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i regret nothing < 1371107551 845693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that proof is Is Char Bool -> Void < 1371107555 99563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah, and... yeah < 1371107555 944422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can't write that without GADTs. < 1371107574 594206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Is a b = Is (forall p. p a -> p b) < 1371107577 692827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda has that notion of type equality built in though, right? < 1371107587 758462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo t = FooChar (Is t Char) | FooBool (Is t Bool) Void < 1371107597 904284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't give you the same power as the GADT. < 1371107598 17452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is your GADTs-via-Leibniz? < 1371107600 714971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1371107602 23699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1371107606 898643 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a funny conversation to see after "you don't need math for haskell" :P < 1371107610 710613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1371107618 105677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't Haskell!!!!!! it's Haskell + RankNTypes + GADTs < 1371107621 518210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1371107630 214159 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes diff < 1371107638 597499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really "needed" either... < 1371107645 364913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's needed if you want to do specific cool things < 1371107677 821148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you need math to use pencil and paper! look at those people writing those complicated equations there!" < 1371107686 303625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need fancy stuff if you want a far higher degree of static checking than other languages < 1371107693 447641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want only moderately higher degree, you don't < 1371107711 734024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ":P" meant that wasn't supposed to be a serious criticism of either thing, just saying < 1371107714 289696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderately higher degree... is that like a master's < 1371107714 644049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1371107721 260734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm obliged to respnod though < 1371107725 657112 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerd < 1371107741 318778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway, in HoTT you actually *do* get equality of isomorphic types. < 1371107756 656297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. you can write foo :: Is Word8 Int8 or something like that. < 1371107759 435943 :Guest17482!~oleg@host-static-92-115-42-25.moldtelecom.md QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371107781 779008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So HoTT is incompatible with GADTs in GHC, because it always assumes inequality. < 1371107825 295656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain the last bit? < 1371107840 898640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that it assumes Char will never be equal to Bool. < 1371107848 960016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it really never will, because they're different sizes. < 1371107863 214575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you had an isomorphism then you might be able to provide actual equality. < 1371107872 131718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NB: I don't actually understand HoTT.) < 1371107889 938574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1371107892 503482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1371107906 125453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving is also related to this. It uses unsafeCoerce as evidence that a newtype and its underlying type are equal. < 1371107911 608413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in HoTT i can do (Word8 -> Int8) -> (Int8 -> Word8) -> Is Word8 Int8 ? < 1371107922 377352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I also prove it's a legit isomorphism, somehow? < 1371107927 155776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'd probably want an actual isomorphism, not just a pair of functions. < 1371107928 386214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1371107932 775997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the general idea. < 1371107966 204365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think GND is actually safe in Haskell10 + RankNTypes. < 1371107977 263526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only when you add GADTs or TypeFamilies that it breaks. < 1371107981 921944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1371107991 89257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not surprising though < 1371108009 675510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition is that GADTs and TFs let you use types less "parametrically" than is generally assumed in Haskell < 1371108013 742934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the source of a lot of trouble < 1371108019 451737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1371108049 418306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://joyoftypes.blogspot.com/2012/08/generalizednewtypederiving-is.html says he couldn't figure out a way to do it with just Leibniz equality. But I think it's actually not possible, because there's something missing there. < 1371108064 821946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GADTs with weaker Leibniz-style equality would probably be less useful. < 1371108156 735427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway what I'd like is to see the extra power that GADTs give you stated explicitly somehow. < 1371108170 414744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But talking about inequality is annoying. < 1371108246 562407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tweet i am not drunk enough to send: "Haskell sucks because it requires you to learn some math to do things that are simply impossible in other languages" < 1371108273 151062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is more beer hth < 1371108278 269341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of beer < 1371108280 415336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching to cider < 1371108336 840622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you would get so many replies about turing completeness < 1371108340 662710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great < 1371108346 243092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1371108351 933814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would < 1371108358 125417 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh kmc i can just use Perl to write a slime mold emulator that runs haskell < 1371108444 299160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages is a HCI problem < 1371108448 135110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another tweet i won't send < 1371108459 140943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead i will just drink more and watch Mad Men < 1371108467 512652 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good decision < 1371108733 985266 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371109077 499989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my alcohol tolerance is pretty ridiculous < 1371109115 36668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has a ∞-tolerance policy < 1371109119 737560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1371109124 622321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a big white dude, you see < 1371109136 105434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i drink often < 1371109175 268560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i drink often < 1371109202 503979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1371109227 635643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i drink occasionally < 1371109231 777451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1371109254 748120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i often have a few drinks, but I occasionally get properly drunk < 1371109259 737105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above re: tolerance < 1371109351 447354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing drm code must be unpleasant < 1371109354 899969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol is overrated because it's the one widely accepted legal fun drug < 1371109357 594519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fighting a battle you know you'll lose < 1371109365 406088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still worth doing from time to time < 1371109395 330844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: eh, or you see it like any other security measure, as something to keep out attackers of a certain skill level for a certain amount of time < 1371109408 117906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. < 1371109417 327128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree that DRM on content is pretty hopeless, because it takes only one person to put it on BitTorrent < 1371109430 396109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why Hulu bothers with DRM on some shows, when those same shows can be recorded over the air < 1371109445 486589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like locking down video game consoles to signed software are less hopeless < 1371109455 212330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might stand for 6-18 months and that's enough for a meaningful advantage < 1371109463 640197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with anti-reverse-engineering tech < 1371109479 461253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can make your competitors spend a few million or delay them by a few months, that can be a big deal < 1371109479 572697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some people explicitly have it as their goal to keep the DRM uncracked for a few weeks or some period of time in which the majority of sales are usually made. < 1371109602 1231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is picking through a big bin of diamond-cut shredder shit and is having fun identifying the source documents < 1371109616 632380 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why < 1371109629 564810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops here's a diamond that contains a full 1D barcode < 1371109634 510779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: boredom < 1371109655 335125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stuff i shredded < 1371109720 889249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I miss from college is easy access to a fireplace for document destruction < 1371109813 465093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an hour of need any space can serve as a fireplace < 1371109823 505407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/spac/plac/ < 1371109862 47840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true < 1371109879 829352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but urban areas have these busybodies who show up and try to put out fires < 1371109891 222349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. rude < 1371109907 265377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you do it on purpose you get banned < 1371109909 746516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate ban < 1371109911 309912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ur-ban < 1371109979 527064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should be banned from this channel < 1371109996 955467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard kmc was moving to sf because it was an herban area < 1371110017 868412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't banchaf :'( < 1371110020 780968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1371110027 587301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the only reason but... a reason < 1371110091 851608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody in SF was complaining about how they were "flying to a place where drugs are illegal" < 1371110107 747847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to get a what'sitcalled medical thing < 1371110128 170535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1371110158 84683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i can visit dispensaries and get all pretentious about different strains of weed < 1371110177 532720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have it delivered to you < 1371110183 616940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1371110188 419994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. soon Bike can do the same thing of course < 1371110244 250393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1371110423 910166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Bike actually moving to CA < 1371110463 43795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371110466 762196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the whole WA thing < 1371110844 641087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371110845 313681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1371110852 947844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't even need a 'green card' though < 1371110974 886384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371111060 739992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are drugz as good as drugz jokes < 1371111109 973146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to compare < 1371111153 837152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about drugz jokes......on drugz < 1371111186 468118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to be in san jose at 11 tomorrow < 1371111538 234149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1371111574 95740 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371111658 95241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'--sparc2.2: If an array was created on a SPARC machine with a 2.2 Linux kernel patched with RAID support, the superblock will have been created incorrectly, or at least incompatibly with 2.4 and later kernels. Using the --sparc2.2 flag with --examine will fix the superblock before displaying it.' i love computers < 1371111752 37977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :meeting people < 1371111758 873973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc you should read `olist it's good < 1371111759 117942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of people < 1371111949 462482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :san jose people < 1371111956 135006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey someone unfollowed me on twitter < 1371111961 903952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1371111967 519019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf do you have cool friends < 1371111986 324859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp it was @darinmorrison < 1371112057 554802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm how do i tell < 1371112177 406076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-utils/2010-10/msg00002.html thanks gnu time < 1371112256 983252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's two (binary) orders of magnitude between friends < 1371112269 982565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 12? whatever < 1371112291 961280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cider allegedly pairs with shrimps and cheeses < 1371112303 373959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't like shrimps :( < 1371112326 871102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think that icon means 'seafood generally' < 1371112367 516418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to eat seafood just because you drink the cider < 1371112374 672931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not speaking of shrimps did you see http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000s/2004/08/consider_the_lobster?printable=true < 1371112425 455131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have not read it yet < 1371112438 994862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh did i link it before < 1371112483 29824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... One visitor would argue that the celebration involves a whole lot more." is this article about drugs? < 1371112577 544428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but i know of it generally < 1371112585 132440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of DFW's essay collections is named after this essay < 1371113296 993805 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371114643 985185 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1371115446 694170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2013-June/017369.html Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem proved in Isabelle < 1371115822 311294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371116235 173799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know about count-min sketch < 1371116241 608007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371116270 86934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a thing like a bloom filter < 1371116305 778898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading < 1371116377 375780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1371116512 201863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1371116529 518834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia only says how to use it for counts, but I guess it can be used for other things? < 1371117066 218646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1371117219 420281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much more about it than you presumably do now. :-) < 1371117241 272570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: •Privacy preserving computations ensure that multiple parties can cooperate to compute a function of their data while only learning the answer and not anything about the inputs of the other participants. Roughan and Zhang demonstrate that the Count-Min Sketch can be used within such computations, by applying standard techniques for computing privacy preserving sums on each counter independently [15]. < 1371117411 61103 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371117450 875086 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371118522 411078 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371119233 641470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the norwegian seafood council wants to introduce a special swedish word for salmon from norway < 1371119247 568254 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371119279 59325 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371120688 352462 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1371120833 183321 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1371121973 35608 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371121993 49462 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371123658 197173 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1371124035 557653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble grumble. "Editing (including deleting points) is not supported for this geometry type. Editing is only supported on lines and polygons." < 1371124050 793710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently what I recorded with GPSLogger is a "tour" instead of a "line". < 1371124269 818585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly a "track". < 1371124278 324380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a "path" is a "line". < 1371125453 198157 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@77.49.108.183.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1371126226 88228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371126555 959620 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371128266 104866 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371128828 251902 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@77.49.108.183.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371130071 470033 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371130284 903371 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371132407 334018 :nooga_!~nooga@public716948.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1371132817 708428 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1371132997 390072 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1371133024 277817 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371133070 274853 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371133089 117934 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371133363 420955 :nooga_!~nooga@public716948.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371135109 989646 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371136456 145706 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371136718 830694 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1371136801 837923 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like the new lambdabot messagey thing < 1371136823 707503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1371136825 87131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my doing < 1371136858 820416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott read that book or whatever < 1371136949 85397 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :book?? < 1371137039 162677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: the hott book < 1371137044 460950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting Bike to remind me to read it < 1371137074 656831 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1371137085 733738 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have a hott book but maybe i should get one < 1371137108 344454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: https://github.com/HoTT/book < 1371137111 367048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a "work in progress" aiui < 1371137142 908681 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll put it on my list < 1371137380 531121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it on two lists, which I'll then immediately delete. < 1371138206 752976 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hott Book < 1371138331 89453 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1371138402 167816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike already did that one nodl < 1371138758 439282 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the weather in hexham now? < 1371138824 137000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pleasantly warm < 1371138827 721891 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNT < 1371138838 947738 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1371138846 686255 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was raining at lunchtime, though < 1371138861 936839 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes its rainy but warm here too < 1371138874 206821 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :39°C next week < 1371138884 75479 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If hagb4rd is in Prudhoe or something, I swear to god... < 1371138929 998055 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should visit hexham < 1371138931 247140 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then < 1371138935 325015 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :visit neither of taneb/elliott < 1371138955 449124 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't someone do that a couple of years ago < 1371138956 223783 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1371138961 690194 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People probably do that all the time < 1371138965 583641 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone in this channel < 1371138973 845178 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan or fizzie or someone < 1371139003 891991 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should organize an #esoteric meetup < 1371139013 281206 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where nobody actually meets up < 1371139019 523008 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just all somewhere in hexham < 1371139301 27783 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dangerous < 1371139311 118564 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone actually meets up < 1371139314 671711 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the command to calculate Celsius to Fahrenheit? < 1371139328 662876 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sanetemp 0 < 1371139330 974138 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sanetemp: not found < 1371139333 231955 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that < 1371139336 18462 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : `frink ? < 1371139349 980309 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then? < 1371139358 293150 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 100 celsius -> fahrenheit < 1371139367 43275 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Unknown symbol "fahrenheit" \ Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Warning: undefined symbol "fahrenheit". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 100 celsius (undefined symbol) -> fahrenheit (undefined symbol) < 1371139372 103144 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 100 degrees celsius -> fahrenheit < 1371139377 143138 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1371139378 827570 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Unknown symbol "fahrenheit" \ Warning: undefined symbol "celsius". \ Warning: undefined symbol "fahrenheit". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 1.7453292519943295767 celsius (undefined symbol) -> fahrenheit (undefined symbol) < 1371139394 480340 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to sleep < 1371139396 245829 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1371139560 768338 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder: do you english folks use celsius fahrenheit or kelvin or what? < 1371139663 899311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use celsius < 1371139680 983407 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it's common in UK? < 1371139791 716939 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 100 * 9 / 5 + 32 < 1371139792 596421 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 212.0 < 1371139794 992068 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH < 1371139800 618945 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: no, just elliott < 1371139836 650023 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx coppro.. i see < 1371142591 994593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They measure in Réaumur. < 1371142681 221228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130613-reaumur.jpg -- as seen in a park few days back. < 1371142753 889244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was in Switzerland, though almost in Italy.) < 1371142792 549183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, it's kind of hard to make out the label, but that's what it is.) < 1371142888 54578 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Réaumur < 1371142888 816074 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9aumur_scale < 1371142888 897040 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Réaumur scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1371142957 393519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Its only modern use is in the measuring of milk temperature in cheese production." Weird stuff. < 1371143001 3492 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird indeed < 1371143054 799180 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we work out the answers to itsy's riddle? < 1371143088 542416 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have given it a shot but i didn't have any time < 1371143246 458999 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1371143382 248871 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got it but I can't remember how I got it < 1371143706 275104 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371144778 993583 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1371145575 192600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss imagine Holmes as, well, the Doctor, somehow a central figure in the battle between good and evil even if they can't quite articulate why or how." i am so glad i found this blog < 1371145729 872103 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what blog? < 1371146128 50012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, Elementary actually sounds good < 1371146227 22986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i keep meaning to watch it if only for the malbolge < 1371146238 147592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, and also to piss off people who complain it's a ripoff of the bbc sherlock < 1371146262 949981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds better than bbc sherlock; frankly i'm gobsmacked < 1371146291 63937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does it really surprise you that something could be better than a moffat show < 1371146368 815138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it's an american modernisation of a british classic < 1371146376 671709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that really not fill you with foreboding < 1371146406 12137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, admittedly < 1371146810 72010 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in early episodes they tried too hard to appeal to the shippers < 1371146833 542596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you... watch elementary? < 1371146846 365805 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On occasion, not every episode < 1371146847 786883 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact < 1371146852 698698 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About three episodes < 1371147394 301171 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371147401 874538 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1371147422 772389 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1371147426 88253 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome disadep < 1371147428 990693 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :disadep: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1371147449 702083 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came here from wiki < 1371147456 249253 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1371147494 731361 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1371147496 155740 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I became interested in esoteric languages recently < 1371147525 717538 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1371147626 247423 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even created one < 1371147636 230284 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was wondering if it's Turing-complete < 1371147651 740631 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good way to find out if it really is? < 1371147693 131982 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371147798 435075 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a knack to it < 1371147811 118617 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DL? < 1371147840 576729 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1371147878 550487 :disadep!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 NICK :disaderp < 1371147953 495621 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is Turing complete. Is the full spec online anywhere? < 1371147976 727555 :disaderp!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute < 1371148039 552358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider http://esolangs.org/wiki/Computational_class#Proofs_of_computational_class < 1371148043 365223 :disaderp!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the list of avaliable functions: http://pastebin.com/7PMHWQJh < 1371148171 946304 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-30.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371148295 920289 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371148424 924791 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disaderp: have you defined any comparison operators? < 1371148456 19919 :disaderp!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a function Cmp() that compares two ints or two bools < 1371148463 826436 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1371148531 103594 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1371148632 222647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/2013-June/000552.html < 1371148733 636221 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1371148776 705587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: disgusting. great < 1371149229 518478 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zalgo "hi" < 1371149260 929338 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1371149275 409363 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "hi" | zalgo < 1371149277 288248 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :h̞͐iͤ͘ < 1371149337 456333 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "hi" | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo < 1371149340 254113 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ḩ̬̰̘̀็i͙̹ͬ̄͝͡ < 1371149996 436543 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A knot diagram can be interpreted as a network of resistors, where each crossing is a resistor with resistance either 1 or -1. < 1371150019 669280 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the Reidemeister moves are all valid ways of rewriting a resistor network. < 1371150168 343330 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifcally: adding a resistor between an existing node and a new node (R1), adding a resistor between a node and itself (R1), replacing a node with three nodes connected by resistors of resistance 1 and -1 in series (R2), adding resistors of resistance 1 and -1 in parallel to any gap (R2), and the wye-delta transform (R3), and the reverse of all these. < 1371150519 261344 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conversely, any planar resistor network where resistors have resistance 1 and -1 can be interpreted as a knot diagram. < 1371150624 22585 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371150667 381888 :disaderp!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g < 1371150668 530435 :disaderp!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1371150678 149608 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adi(o with acute accent)s. < 1371150686 676849 :disaderp!5be187fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.225.135.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1371150736 681266 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not obvious what it means for two resistor networks to be equivalent. < 1371151000 543533 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1371151046 828570 :esimmers!~esimmers@68.62-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1371151056 699825 :esimmers!~esimmers@68.62-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help Your country get to the top in the virtual world of E-sim. Become a businessman, military leader or a mighty president. Join for FREE now: http://secura.e-sim.org/lan.3355/ < 1371151056 913370 :esimmers!~esimmers@68.62-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PART :#esoteric < 1371151081 710151 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this channel like a hot hangout now < 1371151095 103265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help your country get k-lined < 1371151173 603541 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you think of anywhere in Hexham that prints designs onto T-shirts? < 1371151180 186750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1371151187 775462 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corbridge? < 1371151200 260241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1371151202 617007 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1371151203 842048 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a cheapass way to do it yourself < 1371151215 158895 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you need some fancy paper which I can't find < 1371151297 508703 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thomsonlocal.com/Screen%20printers/in/Hexham/ it appears the answer is no < 1371151314 13496 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the almighty < 1371151316 375254 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371151346 191883 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371151383 973494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric must have finally "made it" to be noticed by freenode spammers. < 1371151407 564249 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1371151447 930643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that wsj piece that's coming any day now < 1371151480 981964 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :retroactively attracting spam < 1371151484 462436 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wsj's powers are great < 1371151542 311708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google esoteric wall street journal < 1371151543 826471 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204517204577046381261300406.html < 1371151543 923926 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Test for Bonds Backed by Esoteric Assets - WSJ.com < 1371151564 263954 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1371151565 297801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel: full of assets. < 1371151578 272213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other things starting with "ass". < 1371151587 643386 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assassins < 1371151594 408531 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assailants < 1371151600 376044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assyrians. < 1371151600 647265 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bro are you esoteric 'cos i have a turkey baster and you have... assets... yes < 1371151643 89864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1371152109 419136 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um. this really isn't #esoteric material but (I guess C++ is kind of esoteric <.<) if I have an Apple class and a Banana class and both classes contain functions that reference each other, how do I do a forward class declaration so that I don't get undeclared Banana messages? < 1371152169 48232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does just "class Banana;" work or is there something more elaborate I'm missing? < 1371152234 849856 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe that would? I have no idea, I am terrible at this < 1371152288 5183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, nobody has yet figured out how to not be terrible at C++ < 1371152323 848555 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it works, thanks < 1371152340 561875 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programming ethos: just guess and hope it works (it does) (sometimes) < 1371152383 556555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Undeclared Banana messages | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | SEUTA KEULAEPEUTEU | nid wyf yn y swyddfa < 1371152400 275325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that underhanded thing still ongoing? < 1371152413 472767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: :) < 1371152470 176275 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "the deadline is July 4th" < 1371152494 620211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo you should read this homotopy type theory book for me < 1371152506 65808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm w/ that guy < 1371152593 440618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is homotopy type theory actually consistent the little i've noticed about makes it look like it declares almost everything equal < 1371152602 543827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about it < 1371152642 643881 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two equals three, up equals down, anarchy reigns. such is life under homotopy < 1371152658 404812 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi NICK :atehwa < 1371152781 316149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it declares identity and equivalence equal < 1371152790 104375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is, an isomorphism between A and B implies equality of A and B < 1371152803 838263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the conjecture is that the resulting system is still computable. < 1371152816 597934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where A and B are types, of course) < 1371152817 694313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that just means working in a skeleton category, or something < 1371152818 942153 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjecture? < 1371152826 514045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the idea is to enrichen equality < 1371152829 710857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than weakening isomorphism < 1371152846 419093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, it's not been shown that you can always compute the equality substitutions using the axiom away < 1371152856 648261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this book is literally 500 pages. < 1371152900 941078 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the axiom called 'away' i'm confused < 1371152905 382641 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 500 pages supposed to be a lot < 1371152934 294779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days i have trouble with 5 < 1371152935 307033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: as opposed to getting blocked on substitution of an equality using the univalence axiom < 1371152944 216412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so beyond me < 1371152944 532833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 500 pages is a lot. < 1371153012 745956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i.e., a program can reduce to something like "rewrite foo : ...stuff involving A and its terms... to foo : ...stuff involving B and its terms... by univalence (...isomorphism between A and B...)" < 1371153042 571680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not proven that you can always get "past" that rewrite to actually computing foo however it's defined, is my understanding. < 1371153063 167889 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :livin on the edge < 1371153127 580252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new laptop is too cold for my lap :( < 1371153178 400312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try compiling ghc hth < 1371153250 780168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :civilization 5 is really good at making mine overheat < 1371153256 29643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun too! two birds < 1371153279 243127 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds? < 1371153285 169429 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ☺ < 1371153295 52664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you ever killed birds w/ stones < 1371153302 169645 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wtf < 1371153306 155976 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would id < 1371153312 861938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogies for people who are cruel to animals: imo the best analogies? < 1371153320 137963 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some kind of sicko british schoolboy thing < 1371153325 569149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you got it < 1371153331 398693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we... play civilisation 5 < 1371153335 876159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!) < 1371153349 545254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't have to use such analogies, there's more than one way to skin a cat < 1371153350 532120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disgusting < 1371153354 69422 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eagerly awaits the new expansion < 1371153362 337592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you know the dutch expression is < 1371153368 13923 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hit two flies with one swat" < 1371153378 269584 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cute < 1371153390 299521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also the norwegian expression hth < 1371153397 890615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, cruelty to birds /and/ bugs < 1371153399 513714 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1371153404 354071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assholes < 1371153426 100184 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56 -!- ELLIOTTCABLE is now known as purr < 1371153443 56073 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is friendship mouse still about? < 1371153470 812987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph became friendship mouse < 1371153535 688856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371153541 265164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about civ 5 < 1371153558 849388 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves killing animals < 1371153761 710189 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know ._. < 1371153780 602954 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric civ 5 succession game < 1371153948 254745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, succession games < 1371153954 250404 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing lots of logs of those for civ 4, they looked really fun < 1371153968 494702 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have civ 5 though :( < 1371154410 197906 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371154444 287120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's only [an amount of money]. < 1371154534 941361 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-170.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371154602 823748 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1371155050 334593 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1371155143 757407 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f0e6.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1371156312 904684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's New Foundations in this analogy <-- uniqueness types hth < 1371156328 633278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i considered saying that < 1371156359 403891 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, we do a Dwarf Fortress one < 1371156366 399466 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless elliott has lost it < 1371157011 425811 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.44.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371157060 706782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mushroomexpert.com/lysurus_cruciatus.html squid mushroom < 1371157166 289824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long did you spend weeping with joy before you linked that < 1371157191 360457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not long < 1371157546 690093 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, you don't install things by typing 'sudo easy_install thing' into the Python REPL. Not only is that not a console, you're on Windows." < 1371157916 238323 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1371158026 494361 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43bc7.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371158134 879670 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1371158425 44749 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1371158669 368710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1371158671 338481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371158685 751687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing about the wii fit trainer being in the next super smash bros wasn't a joke? < 1371158698 163433 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's awesome. < 1371158709 60251 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a villager from Animal Crossing too. < 1371158711 781095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what to think any more < 1371158732 680413 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they'll go well with game and watch? < 1371158761 33080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :game and watch was funny because he was a one-off! < 1371158774 149585 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't he in two games < 1371158788 553262 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think he was in Melee and Brawl < 1371158790 290640 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TWo Off < 1371158827 441981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there was rob as well < 1371158842 503555 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pew pew < 1371158848 594180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is just getting silly! < 1371158871 815802 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it's SSB < 1371158881 513463 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the silliest < 1371158887 805756 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1371158889 781059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting so silly < 1371158891 518892 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing Brawl this evening < 1371158900 864576 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely changed my control scheme for the hell of it < 1371158909 25516 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wii fit trainer is awesome < 1371158911 704673 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSB tourney people are hilarious, on that note < 1371158915 258762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything about her is pretty great < 1371158919 533911 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fox only, final destination, etc < 1371158925 107495 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it means that now, super smash brothers has a < 1371158928 508703 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371158929 666015 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1371158933 909410 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes off her sunglasses < 1371158936 621764 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong female character < 1371158941 120179 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit is it even sunny where you are! < 1371158949 792416 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm it is < 1371158952 658090 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371158957 936342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next in super smash bros: a generic mii < 1371158959 837301 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's miserable here, i, just kind of assumed < 1371158966 500964 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're actually allowing miis in the next version? < 1371158967 287220 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1371158970 798309 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, as someone who's actually participated in a SSBB tournament, I managed to convince them to play random stage < 1371158979 922133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it pretty much lost me the final < 1371158979 994176 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you win < 1371158984 30662 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loer < 1371158985 526379 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1371158987 94722 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1371158992 41146 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, what about Samus < 1371159002 149378 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke <.< < 1371159020 833224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about nana < 1371159022 564970 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1371159027 794458 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT PIKACHU < 1371159038 828402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but um like. really the wii fit trainer makes gaming dudebros angry so it's probably a good thing < 1371159077 543445 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, are you getting all the "villager will behead you without a second thought" stuff on Tumblr < 1371159091 558140 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a weird thing to be pissed about, I mean Brawl had a pictochat level < 1371159099 106218 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :super serious < 1371159112 732113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, it does... feel kind of different? < 1371159137 577763 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1371159137 782375 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: all the stuff about the villager is wonderful < 1371159141 648305 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as a fan of animal crossing < 1371159155 88584 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it true that his final smash involves weeding < 1371159155 193186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oh gosh the digging pits to catch your opponents < 1371159156 534016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of it might be that i never really thought of wii fit as a 'game', more of as an appliance or something < 1371159169 685257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dance dance revolution is a game, right? < 1371159171 335945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, they already had an item for that didn't they < 1371159172 801567 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike pictochat < 1371159219 582983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i give more leeway for stages, then? < 1371159489 745907 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-133-51.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: GOODNIGHT < 1371160049 327096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1371160061 271763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given this discussion of adding new principles such as univalence, higher inductive types, AC, and LEM, one may wonder whether the resulting system remains consistent. (One of the original virtues of type theory, relative to set theory, was that it can be seen to be consistent by proof-theoretic means). < 1371160068 512882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As with any foundational system, consistency is a relative ques- tion: “consistent with respect to what?” The short answer is that all of the constructions and axioms considered in this book have a model in the category of Kan complexes, due to Voevod- sky [KLV12] (see [LS13b] for higher inductive types). < 1371160075 487018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, they are known to be consistent relative to ZFC (with as many inaccessible cardinals as we need nested univalent universes). Giving a more traditionally type-theoretic account of this consistency is work in progress (see, e.g., [LH12, BCH13]). < 1371160532 43485 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371160576 92910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also, the exact form of what's unknown: "Voevodsky has formulated a precise mathematical conjecture connected to this question of canonicity for type theory extended with the axiom of Univalence: given a closed term of the type of natural numbers, is it always possible to find a numeral and a proof that this term is equal to this numeral, where this proof of equality may itself use the univalence axiom?" < 1371160582 123523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may have got cut off < 1371160734 254041 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didnt < 1371160738 891753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1371160800 72140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's miserable here, i, just kind of assumed <-- i think Fiora is in california hth < 1371160944 928909 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here used Actual pictochat < 1371160953 696254 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very good it had some good emoticons < 1371160964 644433 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember: a happy square, a sad square < 1371160969 350679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1371160975 972024 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i used ms comic chat in wine and it barely worked but i cant seem to get it to work anymore < 1371160981 726130 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunny is miserable though :< < 1371160982 110269 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you could like < 1371160983 919911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather it be cloudy < 1371161009 602573 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type a happy face, press send, then type a sad face, then copy your previous message < 1371161020 361254 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd start "layering" emoticons and they'd get Amazing < 1371161153 955501 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds good < 1371161183 118680 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the 3ds even have pictochat ????? < 1371161197 416251 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow no < 1371161213 467954 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a chat thing where you can draw messages and send them to each other < 1371161223 679675 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Pictochat.png bottom left corner: the happy face < 1371161236 411666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Swapnote < 1371161239 917866 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's what it was called < 1371161310 162965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: one person talking to themselves about wikipedia < 1371161312 430461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the saddest pictochat < 1371161322 808051 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :( < 1371161391 951452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, did it have 3d pictochat < 1371161394 727079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be a thing < 1371161398 408655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sculptochat?) < 1371161703 551304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1371161741 975691 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like it'd be really hard to use < 1371161984 317153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4d pictochat! < 1371161986 151058 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be pretty good < 1371162011 341157 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drawing on an xy plane, two buttons control the z axis < 1371162038 808934 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I imagine this would be used almost entirely for sculpting, um. obscene things < 1371162039 863953 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you'd draw a thing, hold the down button for a while, then draw anothing thing! and one would be behind the other < 1371162043 174468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 3d pictochat hooked up to a 3d printer < 1371162046 651020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 3d scanner < 1371162050 300177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actually sculpt something and send it over < 1371162069 139580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then people us it for guns < 1371162114 929162 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1371162130 929203 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1371162132 894348 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about cute things like nendoroids < 1371162134 562705 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guns aren't very cute < 1371162145 389258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you made it like some kind of glassblowing simulator < 1371162152 555895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would pay actual money for that < 1371162155 705407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds good < 1371162170 687073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: takes skill to make a penis < 1371162192 344533 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they're willing to learn < 1371162213 398558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to study at the academy of penis blowing < 1371162255 44447 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hear it's very popular among young men these days < 1371162290 838296 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glassblowing? huh < 1371162341 889972 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's good money.....high demand for glass penises???? < 1371162437 383081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey everyone has seen glass klein bottles rite < 1371162452 933469 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a real one < 1371162458 550913 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this lousy self-intersecting shit < 1371162486 79353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that the guy who runs that klein bottle site is also the guy who tracked down that german hacker in the 80s? < 1371162495 783511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which german hacker < 1371162500 308279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hess < 1371162553 16306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, < 1371162553 361187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371162687 887681 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371162693 440086 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeobot? < 1371162696 780664 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1371162710 220045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've actually been talking to sgeobot for years < 1371163066 713608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i think his new employed just cyborgized him < 1371163071 350043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*employer < 1371163107 337520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo's moving up in the world < 1371163213 852026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon he'll be involved in dramatic battles between good and evil. we are not yet sure on which side. < 1371163258 178358 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1371163329 134117 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1371163384 182099 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371163561 80059 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371163624 87440 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1371164213 460979 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.theonion.com/articles/advanced-alien-civilization-discovers-uninhabitabl,32808/ < 1371164330 123664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that old canard < 1371164405 530684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: heh < 1371164537 284767 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1371164554 944 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh. that quote is still around < 1371164594 194147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do if you have brown eyes < 1371164628 371227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Fiora < 1371164630 76152 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :820) omg that JIT is really amazing [...] I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. \ 830) usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it \ 958) Sgeo_, are you just trying to post kmcbait.. < 1371164639 49319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have a lot of quotes < 1371164676 337707 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently? < 1371164687 768623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"his eyes like normal brown-ish stones" < 1371164705 472054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"her eyes like normal brown-ish stones" // actually me < 1371164924 605008 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1371165035 423528 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so how's that axiomy thingy work with richardson's theorem; also why is it "numeral"; also there's no chance in hell i'll understand anything < 1371165106 125096 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: global warming is just depress ing < 1371165193 790904 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 QUIT :Quit: noooodl < 1371165204 963504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't see the relation to richardson's theorem < 1371165215 444391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :richardson's theorem is about decidability < 1371165236 383096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's numeral because expressions of the form e ::= 0 | S e are the normal form values of type nat < 1371165251 42664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can turn any finite amount of "things computed" into something of type nat < 1371165257 182806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a reasonable choice for stating the property < 1371165263 549145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isn't it about proving a closed form is equal to a number < 1371165322 572293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I (you can't prove that) (crack isn't fake) < 1371165328 918106 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1371165351 625667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well you can prove any term of type nat in normal regular type theory has a numeral and a proof that the term is equal to that numeral < 1371165372 995709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you evaluate the term, it results in a numeral, and then the proof is obvious < 1371165378 605114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it reduces to the numeral; q.e.d." < 1371165410 215696 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sad that i'm trying to figure out if "normal regular" is a technical term < 1371165418 705238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1371165422 170120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1371165427 10556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1371165458 119100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of standard normal hth < 1371165558 122093 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so like, there's this problem of "given 2 21x21 matrices with integer elements, is it possible to multiply them in some order (with repetition if you want) to achieve the zero matrix" < 1371165577 203365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently um. this isn't even like EXPTIME or something. it's undecidable < 1371165602 451465 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah matrix mortality right < 1371165615 156686 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you only needed 13x13 < 1371165620 376160 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow linear operators < 1371165620 776230 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02l03i04n05e06a07r08 09o02p03e04r05a06t07o08r09s < 1371165648 593133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this paper says 7x 3x3 or 2x 21x21 < 1371165655 189807 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1371165659 585275 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, integers make everything harder < 1371165660 351986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: god, i hate magic numbers like that < 1371165661 659403 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a fact < 1371165666 505383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it all works for a bit and then collapses < 1371165674 606773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't even get harder, just gets impossible < 1371165682 677814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible is harder than possible < 1371165683 368059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1371165714 712627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey was Fiora around when a wall street journalist came here to interview chris pressey < 1371165718 822765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never forget. < 1371165719 582687 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there are two other problems about atrices that are undecideable. < 1371165722 288212 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O? < 1371165727 908190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear i'm not making that up < 1371165731 100766 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Determining whether a finite set of upper triangular 3 × 3 matrices with nonnegative integer entries generates a free semigroup." "Determining whether two finitely generated subsemigroups of M_n(Z) have a common element." < 1371165733 122008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also asked like two questions about hexham < 1371165736 789977 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsemigroups, that's just beautiful. < 1371165736 996875 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea who that is? < 1371165747 723037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is elliott's religion < 1371165748 412859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know who chris pressey is... < 1371165749 189171 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez "post correspondence problem" < 1371165752 628147 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he founded the site or whatever < 1371165753 411045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris pressey is the guy who made befunge and lots of other esoteric languages, he used to be here a lot but now he isn't < 1371165757 735806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he came back to do this interview < 1371165761 244662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cpressey < 1371165761 722278 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's named after Post! it's not to do with letters i hate that < 1371165763 174895 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mouse. < 1371165782 992617 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: btw Post only had one arm. i like pointing this out because it's an odd little thing < 1371165786 917079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1371165787 27086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he didn't start the wiki or anything (esolangs are way older than the wiki) < 1371165796 485376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh. I think this problem makes sense now < 1371165796 692458 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know that much) < 1371165799 639876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he popularised the term "esoteric" as it pertains to computing I believe < 1371165804 24269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be EXPTIME because the lists on either side can grow without bound < 1371165813 66297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh that is an evil problem < 1371165832 696709 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite undecideable problem is just the word problem for groups < 1371165837 691095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice'n'easy to understand < 1371165843 212882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it kind of intuitively makes sense that the matrix problem is kind of like the post corresopndance one < 1371165854 746551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: mine is equality of functions < 1371165854 822959 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"matrices are weird, and Post was weird, so..." < 1371165861 526510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the word problem again < 1371165861 683155 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: too obvious < 1371165868 394827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not very obvious! < 1371165873 462225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people think you can compare functions all the time < 1371165874 810106 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ... easy? >_< < 1371165897 351237 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: figuring out if two expressions of group operations represent the same element < 1371165920 382826 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously it's decideable for some groups) < 1371165935 725380 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what can i say i like groups < 1371165938 833041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"two expressions of group operations" o_O < 1371165941 301056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite groups < 1371165946 329602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1371165953 213863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite is that one with matrices < 1371165983 109932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mortal matrix problem: determining, given a finite set of n n matrices with integer entries, whether they can be multiplied in some order, possibly with repetition, to yield the zero matrix." < 1371165986 100192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say Bike is a groupie < 1371166001 938714 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the one that started this conversation < 1371166006 491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371166009 362581 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I guess I don't really get the group thing < 1371166013 885666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone suggest anything else then < 1371166038 580586 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: like, does a*b*c = b*a*c or somethin < 1371166060 609532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: so you can describe a group as a set of generating elements + a set of relations that can simplify expressions < 1371166063 696762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation_of_a_group < 1371166070 206810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait, why would that be undecideable < 1371166079 276341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, it's not, for finite groups < 1371166094 283143 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: because everything is terrible. < 1371166096 747924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bunch of other ones < 1371166097 78083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the word problem is like 'can we transform this word into that word using these relations' < 1371166103 767070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or transform them both into the same word, anyway < 1371166112 315673 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is completely lost < 1371166146 707831 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok < 1371166155 660701 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like a billion undecideable problems to choose from < 1371166164 315062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you can't do it for all groups ever (but it might be easy to do it for a particular group) < 1371166169 325031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. i don't really undersatnd the word problem either < 1371166177 124016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that all the groups with undecidable word problems wp cites seem to be only remarkable for having unsolvable word problems < 1371166189 946893 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1371166209 629778 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do you construct a set of matrices you can't multiplicate together < 1371166222 604606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is the mortal matrix thing just a special case of the word problem??? < 1371166229 194501 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371166238 779689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess not < 1371166261 53819 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371166274 143588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/3/a/53add5b1c27847ffeeee892cfedb4984.png o____o < 1371166285 94871 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: welcome 2 math < 1371166291 203253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i was saying < 1371166317 461176 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371166366 666571 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a silly looking presentation < 1371166382 313157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :group theory isn't math hth < 1371166383 399549 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, if you have your matrices can't you make a group with them as the generatotrs < 1371166401 876623 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ????????? < 1371166422 971946 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that confusing < 1371166424 872346 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take the free group over a set of matrices but that's just stupid < 1371166427 316982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no < 1371166430 661572 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because youre not using the matrices at all < 1371166436 406820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're not necessarily invertible < 1371166438 192463 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> probe money < 1371166438 264560 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** ERROR < 1371166438 264721 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :** Script error: money has no value < 1371166444 850026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: don't you tell me my free groups are stupid!! < 1371166446 335365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371166457 26645 :SgeoBot!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After I poked fun at $6 / $2 being $3) < 1371166465 925882 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: o rite < 1371166487 803830 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the matrices are invertible can you solve the mortality problem < 1371166502 722190 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes: "theres no solution" < 1371166508 204252 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc invertible matrices never multiply to 0 < 1371166527 424795 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1371166618 172455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of algebraic structure do yo uneed to solve the morality problem < 1371166639 218069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :epigenetics < 1371167230 158312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1371167306 185437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Track the status of your shipments, nickname your packages, create a personal watch list, and filter shipments to see the details you want. It’s an all-new tracking experience. < 1371167337 507222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it celebrate anything < 1371167359 176853 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebrates shipmanship < 1371167360 955110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trackmanship < 1371167367 121917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1371167412 490146 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ship name: Rosemary Watchlist: Yes Ship status: Canon < 1371167427 845318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many canon are on that ship < 1371167451 838803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fedex called me to say i'd have to be there for signing for a thing but i could change things via the tracking number < 1371167452 964244 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ship contents: Kanaya Maryam, Rose LaLonde Status: Drunk < 1371167464 670737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a couple of the tracking number digits were cut off by bad reception or something < 1371167475 912075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that < 1371167502 527312 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that < 1371167506 776664 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, kmc, that putin story < 1371167517 383382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what putin story < 1371167566 604149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he started his own party apparently < 1371167575 312496 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that one < 1371167577 61766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/06/13/vladimir-putin-defends-the-u-s-on-spying-programs-drones-and-occupy-wall-street/ < 1371167584 32119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1371167642 885636 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :news on twitter is weird. guy says WH announcement re: syria is unimportant compared to the jihad < 1371167671 439621 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43bc7.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371167684 64429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what announcement did i miss < 1371167688 105478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like wonderful marketing material. < 1371167690 505201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U.S. to increase 'scope and scale' of aid to rebels < 1371167692 21461 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PRISM: endorsed by putin" < 1371167715 386571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's putin-tastic < 1371167720 314993 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the white house said they'd step up aid, and also a bunch of important clerics declared jihad on the syrian government. < 1371167799 495393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, i wonder if this is some brilliant gambit by putin < 1371167862 632361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he need gambits < 1371167863 619752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ha HA! now the government will be forced to roll back the police state from Russian levels! IT WILL BE THEIR DOOM!" < 1371167869 468086 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. i assume putin is a comic book villain < 1371167879 989936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe? < 1371167888 519776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can't he pretty much do whatever the hell he likes < 1371167892 545667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does america care what foreigners think of our government < 1371167918 604702 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-201-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we're being praised by the wrong foreigners