< 1370908808 232569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can take me a while to realise I'm trying to close a window with `-F4, for instance < 1370908859 346040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1370908875 918395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, ` is not next to alt on normal UK keyboards, it's normally above tab, but it doesn't fit there on this keyboard because it's quite short on space) < 1370908901 903614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm XD looks weird on this screen. < 1370908905 152859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for similar reasons, I rebound the window manager menu to alt-super rather than just super < 1370908918 666455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two keys are as easy to hit intentionally as one, but harder to hit by mistake < 1370909002 770562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for anyone reading who doesn't know, Super is the key that normally has the Windows logo on it) < 1370909005 774641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop keyboard for some reason put the windows key to the /right/ of the spacebar < 1370909009 384593 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very confusing < 1370909030 672979 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes... CTRL FN ALT SPACE \ ALT WIN CTL then arrows < 1370909086 826325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the menu key? < 1370909090 715844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or doesn't it have one? < 1370909097 372470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer to instead call the keys "Logo" and "Context" and have those words printed on them instead of the icons. < 1370909099 409153 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird. my laptop is smaller than yours and has more keys. < 1370909112 297285 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine has a numpad too though < 1370909119 303897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the menu key? < 1370909143 727695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that's usually equivalent to shift-F10 in most OSes (although not KDE) < 1370909165 218672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and likewise, is usually equivalent to right-clicking on whatever has keyboard focus < 1370909176 441547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it as much as I should, really < 1370909193 144345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(interestingly, Emacs interprets menu the same way it interprets meta-x, by default) < 1370909193 983893 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I guess I don't have it < 1370909199 128488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is the key I prefer to call "CONTEXT". In Windows SHIFT+F10 does that in many cases, and right-clicking does too; not all software uses that, as well as not all operating systems < 1370909205 494341 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why my keyboard has two \,| keys < 1370909213 200947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I have seen that too. < 1370909214 568147 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one's next to space, the other's in the 'normal' place below backspace < 1370909218 507515 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some reason for that? < 1370909233 275423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is for when using alternate keyboard layouts, they are different. < 1370909239 29131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's normally because the Return key takes up the space that the top backslash key would use < 1370909248 89404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's on two spaces in the keyboard key sensors < 1370909257 543394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you extend space over one, or return over the other, depending on your layout < 1370909265 890199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people don't realise that and just put the key in both places < 1370909274 631035 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1370909306 69612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the putty shortcuts that it put in the "start menu" actually showed up in the win8 app "start menu" < 1370909313 619138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is for US keyboards; it's more complicated in the UK because of the # key) < 1370909324 314553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there isn't a separate start menu < 1370909330 129532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's trying to do something vaguely backwards-compatible < 1370909332 776880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gentechpcforums.com/system-images/Sager/Sager_NP9150/Sager_NP9150-3.jpg < 1370909334 538468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay there's mine < 1370909336 144626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1370909377 352400 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a moment to remember that some keyboards have numpads < 1370909386 155967 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's so..... left.......... < 1370909386 510338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, maybe it does; I have once set up a computer for someone it had Windows 8 installed. I could still figure it out because the WIN+R to open the run menu is still the same, cmd.exe still works (I thought they would remove it in favor of PowerShell; luckily they kept cmd.exe and even added some more commands), and the other keyboard shortcuts still work even in fullscreen programs. < 1370909399 33504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you figured out how to turn it off yet, btw? < 1370909408 827162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are something like five ways to do it, and /none/ of them are intuitive < 1370909428 585536 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: my feelings are kind of split on that < 1370909432 622555 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on the one hand, I don't think I've ever used it < 1370909446 596670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3, 95, 98, 2000, 7, 8 < 1370909447 210238 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1370909448 376792 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good i thought you were making a joke about the keyboard being split into keys and numpad. < 1370909452 944549 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand if it wasn't there, the keyboard would have probably been like 1/3 bigger < 1370909455 195581 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol < 1370909456 605181 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot harder to use < 1370909476 512605 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just about span my keyboard with one hand < 1370909479 90092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 360, 1 < 1370909481 12402 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Period numbers of A133900 divided by n^2.[1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,4,1,6,1,4,3,1,1,... < 1370909486 649233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1370909498 466221 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis A133900 < 1370909498 897843 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : a(n) = period of the sequence {b(m), m>=0}, defined by b(m):=binomial(m+n,n)... < 1370909505 993673 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on now < 1370909512 654019 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hand totally stretched out goes from about the left side of the caps to the K/Lish < 1370909526 855962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 14, 18, 23, 28, 33, 42, 51 < 1370909532 784466 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1370909540 401922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get from A to = on this keyboard (to pick two keys which are in the same relative positions on it as they are on normal keyboards) < 1370909544 238569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's that one? < 1370909564 246943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 14, 18, 23, 28, 34 < 1370909564 835895 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah what i mean is that it's very small proportionally. < 1370909565 51259 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : a(n) = solution to the postage stamp problem with 2 denominations and n stam... < 1370909565 291169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've run out of Microsoft products to mock the version numbering of < 1370909573 61257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: makes sense < 1370909577 72651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have like that mini netbook thing right? < 1370909579 715302 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1370909584 736161 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you also probably have bigger hands <.< < 1370909584 996159 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that my hands are big, maybe. < 1370909598 673034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these hands were made for graspin' < 1370909607 970368 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee hee my laptop is around two full hand-spans wide < 1370909611 711016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 14, 18, 23, 28, 34, 42 < 1370909612 486952 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Local stops on New York City Broadway line (IRT #1) subway.[14,18,23,28,34,4... < 1370909614 542866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1370909618 15148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a monster < 1370909629 609491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was wondering if that's what you were aiming for :) < 1370909638 580675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm amused it's in OEIS < 1370909657 189070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first attempt was supposed to be the lexington line, which i thought was also in there < 1370909668 862810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second attempt was correct for the 7th ave line, but ambiguous :/ < 1370909697 219744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 14, 23, 28, 34, 42, 49, 57 < 1370909697 927063 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1370909796 675589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6,21,107,47176870 < 1370909797 156896 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1370909799 867163 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6,21,107 < 1370909800 632029 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Busy Beaver problem: a(n) = maximal number of steps that an n-state Turing m... < 1370909805 310287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has it XD < 1370909858 518601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott so i found an article explaining The Problem With Procedural Generation: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/TynanSylvester/20130602/193462/The_Simulation_Dream.php < 1370909858 629189 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1370909899 436544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. < 1370909905 889750 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you talking about that with elliott, or < 1370909932 399382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentioned it ages ago, also me and elliott had a bunch of teenage conversations about game design a while ago < 1370909974 716056 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... in that you're teenagers, or < 1370909997 816699 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really cool article :o < 1370909999 598485 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION readreadread < 1370910021 488617 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,3,5,13 < 1370910024 109830 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dana Scott's sequence: a(n) = (a(n-2) + a(n-1) * a(n-3)) / a(n-4), a(0) = a(... < 1370910025 861814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt we are teenagers < 1370910054 176593 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Michotte thing linked is pretty boss. < 1370910079 215003 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 5,13,29,61,125 < 1370910079 729832 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2^n-3.[2,1,1,5,13,29,61,125,253,509,1021,2045,4093,8189,16381,32765,65533,13... < 1370910081 636991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michotte thing? < 1370910084 412802 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could do with hiding the text until you reveal it, though. < 1370910085 481036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no, in the sense that we made all the mistakes that article mentions < 1370910088 97735 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Discourse/Narrative/michotte-demo.swf < 1370910113 319873 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I'd call that apophenia, exactly... < 1370910134 801338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes a lot of sense < 1370910157 697052 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i worry about that stuf sometimes too. i have ideas for games but think about things like "well, realistically not that many people would be dying in a war, let alone at the hands of one (player) character" but of course that's totally irrelevant < 1370910159 570553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,3,5,13,65533 < 1370910160 7674 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ackermann's function A(n,0).[1,2,3,5,13,65533] < 1370910163 213187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 11, 21, 1211 < 1370910163 801702 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Look and Say sequence: describe the previous term! (method A - initial term ... < 1370910222 328451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you can easily take the message of the article to real life, heh < 1370910234 132378 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people really don't have time to consider the dynamics of even the ten thousand people in their town" < 1370910298 798673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look and Say is also called many other things, but really it is just runlength encoding < 1370910307 654454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's like, how the simulation acts vs how it works < 1370910315 929094 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that emergent behavior is okay, but it has to match up with expectations of what makes sense < 1370910329 41322 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess now I'm thinking of simcity traffic... XD < 1370910365 338253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> [show $ length x, [head x]]) < 1370910368 556347 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((:) . (show $) . length) ((: []) . flip ((:) . head) []) < 1370910368 628306 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1370910442 675663 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what i'm getting out of it is kind of that people don't really know or care about it making sense, they want to play a game. < 1370910449 92106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: have you figured out how to turn it off yet, btw? <-- well the manual listed a couple < 1370910486 186022 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well like, it has to make sense to their mind so they can understand how it works < 1370910489 863520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It depends what game, isn't it? < 1370910530 862808 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in simcity people are like "wow these sims are incredibly dumb and don't do the sensible thing, so my brain-ideas of road structures don't work, because the simulation doesn't match intuition"? < 1370910535 292261 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1370910552 683603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not like, specifically how the simulation is implemented, but whether it matches common sense, so it's understandable < 1370910595 536066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how it feels I don't know < 1370910605 64816 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, i'm not getting that out of the article though... < 1370910613 508880 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also now i'm thinking of the Lem story simcity is based on argh < 1370910640 647540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my interpretation of the article is just that, it doesn't matter how fancy your simulation is, it matters that the product of that simulation makes sense to the players and fits in their mental model of the game? < 1370910645 151800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they can play with it and have fun with it < 1370910651 467908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of it being some complex, inscrutable monster < 1370910662 610919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1370910696 909199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> (show $ length x) ++ [head x] < 1370910698 499081 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oh gosh the worst feeling in a sim game < 1370910700 60377 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((++) . id show . length) ((: []) . head) < 1370910700 132300 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1370910703 61597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd that the result includes 'id show' < 1370910706 797066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like when you see something going wrong, like a badly optimized trade route or something < 1370910711 488444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you /can't figure out how to make it better/ < 1370910718 79438 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the simulation is too complicated or weird < 1370910730 801635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you keep poking at something hoping to twist it into doing what you want < 1370910770 321465 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, like pathfinding in an RTS < 1370910774 259850 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no you fucking morons turn around" < 1370910779 569114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's why they added waypoints < 1370910847 286662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate(concatMap(((++).show.length)<*>((:[]).head)).group)"1" < 1370910848 21857 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1","11","21","1211","111221","312211","13112221","1113213211","3113121113... < 1370910896 869026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of something she's played that was really egregious like that < 1370910945 105058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, i think the point of the article was meant to just be that < 1370910951 200 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could go the other way and make Lemmings :D < 1370910955 563186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that was a mishit of the enter button < 1370910957 43376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! Star Drive, that grand strategy master of orion type thing that came out a bit ago. the automated freighter system to move stuff around was really inscrutable and because the movement of freighters took so long it was really hard to get feedback on exactly what was moving where, and I constantly had planets running out of food < 1370910972 987378 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it was realistic < 1370910976 889495 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1370910984 697789 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could sort of mitigate it with tons of food storage but < 1370911003 181082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes there's something fun about a game where crossing the map with your fleet takes 30 minutes XD < 1370911003 992500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, your aim is to simulate things that can be easily and intuitively modelled by the player < 1370911055 915353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda feel like it also helps to have windows into the simulation, so it's not opaque < 1370911056 24466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the exception of like DF and lemmings where the craziness of the sim is half the fun) < 1370911068 387856 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, so you can see more of the lower-level numbers < 1370911068 611589 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant lemmings as being simplistic < 1370911078 802440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah; but i think that's part of being intuitive? < 1370911082 778600 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they pretty much just go forward and all < 1370911085 13864 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1370911093 519647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant it's not very simulatey, intentionally of course < 1370911096 701708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or easy < 1370911100 835761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two! < 1370911145 182859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate (rle >=> \(x, y) -> [x, y]) [1] < 1370911152 898634 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "research ability gained: our engineers have found an exploit in the fabric of reality. you can now watch the processor registers" < 1370911157 377588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1370911182 237946 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of one of the mods I loved in civ4, one of the features it added was like lots of little things like that < 1370911200 350401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It resembles some D&D spell I wrote once called "Break Into Debugger" < 1370911202 91851 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could see how much effect a new building would have in the tooltip (not just "+10% science" but the actual + based on the current science) < 1370911216 243174 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, a breakdown of all the odds-multipliers in combat and how they affect things < 1370911224 463719 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything made so much more instant sense < 1370911423 487940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate((<**>[show.length,take 1]).group)"1" < 1370911424 233462 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `[GHC.Types.Char]' with `GHC.Types.Char' < 1370911424 305355 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type... < 1370911426 20723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You wrote some Haskell program for "look and say", but I like the one I wrote is better, or perhaps like this: lookAndSay = iterate (runLengthEncode >=> tupleToList) [1]; < 1370911432 181436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1370911444 277859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [show.length,take 1] < 1370911444 747483 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Char] -> String] < 1370911461 856707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<**>[show.length,take 1]) < 1370911462 189581 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Char]] -> [String] < 1370911481 950610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you like my way better, or your way, or the other way? < 1370911487 209306 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/ so this is pretty darkly funny < 1370911499 24834 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370911591 259839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unless all the functions you used are in lambdabot's default environment, i don't think yours counts < 1370911614 618259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, OK. < 1370911641 656787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also don't know if either function I wrote exists in any package, although I did define them myself.) < 1370911660 502040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate(concat.(<**>[show.length,take 1]).group)"1" < 1370911661 176591 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1","11","21","1211","111221","312211","13112221","1113213211","3113121113... < 1370911702 963225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can use let to define them within your expression, like let { ... } in ... if you prefer that way. < 1370911704 461622 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 341,561,645,115,1387 < 1370911705 43290 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1370911716 917362 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 561,1105,1729,2465 < 1370911717 501877 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Carmichael numbers: composite numbers n such that a^(n-1) == 1 (mod n) for e... < 1370911745 84493 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a book site that gets mentioned here periodically, but I can't remember the name of it. Lots of CS and math books. Any thoughts? < 1370911809 224378 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370911836 605047 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty vague, man < 1370911862 189828 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all the cool kids just google stuff and pirate it. < 1370911894 337626 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, there was just a specific one that occasionally gets mentioned. < 1370911934 292066 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly like it because of the selection. I don't have any difficulty pirating when necessary, this was just a convenient place < 1370911965 627184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let { runLengthEncode = map (length &&& head) . group; tupleToList (x, y) = [x, y]; } in iterate (runLengthEncode >=> tupleToList) [1] < 1370911966 203462 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,1],[2,1],[1,2,1,1],[1,1,1,2,2,1],[3,1,2,2,1,1],[1,3,1,1,2,2,2,1],[1... < 1370911992 344819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f c d n | n == 0 = z | e == d = f (c+1) d r | otherwise = 100 * f 1 e r + z where z = 10*c + d; (r,e) = n `divMod` 10 in iterate (f 0 1) 1 < 1370911993 280672 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,11,21,1211,111221,312211,13112221,1113213211,31131211131221,132113111231... < 1370912014 359996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate(sequence[show.length,take 1]<= [String] < 1370912052 367165 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think i've seen that anyway NihilistDandy, sorry. closest i can think of is readscheme but i haven't really seen it mentioned here. < 1370912093 846396 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to go digging through the logs. It was either here or #haskell-blah, though I think it was both < 1370912121 60189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate(join.sequence[show.length,take 1]<=_< < 1370912298 700938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's um... 2^(log(n)) * 2^(log(n)) ... c times < 1370912299 97663 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgen, in case anyone's wondering < 1370912304 968630 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's... n*n*n*n... c times < 1370912306 733652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so n^c right? < 1370912308 771615 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I terrible at math < 1370912321 545055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ isn't associative < 1370912332 601771 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1370912343 645178 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you changed 2^(log(n)^c) to (2^log(n))^c < 1370912360 444892 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't 2^(log(n)^2) equal to 2^(log(n)) * 2^(log(n))? < 1370912366 301531 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's 2^(2log(n)) < 1370912370 883606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1370912372 134497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1370912381 430406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bad at math < 1370912386 176189 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: (2^3)^4 = fucking gigantic, 2^(3^4) = 4096 < 1370912391 660634 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2417851639229258349412352 i guess < 1370912397 93615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1370912400 723331 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse the order there. < 1370912407 767450 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj bike < 1370912432 814512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2^(log(n)^c) is equal to n^(what)? *does math < 1370912490 636138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it equals (((2^log(n))^log(n))^log(n))^... < 1370912499 320913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate(shows.length<$>take 1<=take 1 < 1370912604 707137 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> ShowS < 1370912606 917960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's subexponential definitely < 1370912619 653029 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In mathematics, a quasi-polynomial (pseudo-polynomial) is a generalization of polynomials. While the coefficients of a polynomial come from a ring, the coefficients of quasi-polynomials are instead periodic functions with integral period." oh christ fiora < 1370912626 455586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t shows.length<$>take 1<= [c0] < 1370912627 78263 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: [a0] -> ShowS < 1370912633 192600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the complexity class >_< < 1370912642 252871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (shows.length<$>take 1)<= [c0] < 1370912643 142592 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: [a0] -> ShowS < 1370912647 811211 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know :P < 1370912651 433585 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-polynomial_time#Quasi-polynomial_time < 1370912652 762732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1370912660 504754 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quasi-polynomial time algorithms are algorithms which run slower than polynomial time, yet not so slow as to be exponential time" yeah i'd rather say subexponential honestly < 1370912684 292654 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like... the expression they have there < 1370912692 442217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can describe *all* running times that are neither exponential nor polynomial? < 1370912705 634817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, between them, probably? < 1370912705 875368 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, I mean, that are in between < 1370912713 808301 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, there's nothing bigger than QP but smaller than EXP? < 1370912728 271092 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1370912731 582193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is QP 'quite polynomial' < 1370912734 797255 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quasi < 1370912739 507990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like 2^(iterated log of n) is smaller < 1370912748 594800 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370912758 158929 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably any number of weird functions you could put in there, they just don't come up in practice? < 1370912770 257688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t shows.length < 1370912770 843841 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> ShowS < 1370912787 564020 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess... it just feels like "subexponential" is a bigger thing than just that? < 1370912796 785019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you trying to make a golf or something? < 1370912798 8226 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh here's an example < 1370912800 337481 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another example is the best-known algorithm for the graph isomorphism problem, which runs in time 2O(√(n log n))." < 1370912807 689649 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that's 2^O. < 1370912822 784118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t take 1 < 1370912823 365157 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [a] < 1370912833 299945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a logic that can have not only the "material implication" but also the "tristate implication" (if the left side is false, the result is high-impedance)? < 1370912834 671163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t shows.length<$>take 1 < 1370912835 140267 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> ShowS < 1370912838 590615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-203-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh my head. < 1370912847 852042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that make sense... < 1370912958 952940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (shows.length<$>take 1)"11" < 1370912959 279774 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ShowS < 1370912991 946752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone is making a esolang "BelalCode" < 1370912994 321976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (shows.length<$>take 1)"11" "" < 1370912994 929300 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1" < 1370913032 166029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...duh! < 1370913064 858838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate((shows.length<*>take 1)<= iterate(shows.length<*>take 1<=.> < 1370915192 753000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bad < 1370915192 866020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to save a copy of every strip onto my computer when I was younger. Glad I don't need to do that anymore < 1370915276 439407 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-224-154.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1370915397 381680 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-230-237.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370915643 284744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah i tried using the formatted logs but the text is huge and zooming in IE 10 breaks the formatting... < 1370915996 263442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I used to have all the `olist comics on my server! < 1370916003 90103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a few minutes I will again. < 1370916017 493992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does giantitp.com throttle or something? < 1370916033 820905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By throttle I don't mean throttle. < 1370916039 607441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean do they get upset if you download a lot. < 1370916109 948810 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370916119 31999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they 'throttle' you < 1370916121 998018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370916255 583641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a robots.txt that has a command to slow down when making automated mirrors like this, although wget doesn't understand that command, so you have to use its own command. < 1370916288 651009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does gopher support it, though? < 1370916302 975568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is gopher auto-throttled by the number of gopher users in the world? < 1370916322 324302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually I made up a format for gopher to support it, although I don't know if it is used. < 1370916354 469683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I use it? < 1370916362 250697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Access the selector named ".robot" (without quotes) in my computer, it does includes the command to slow down. < 1370916385 391739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.org/0.robot < 1370916394 644675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does 0 mean? < 1370916417 122126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 0 means the type code, it is a plain text file. < 1370916459 2047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other type codes such as 1 for a menu, 7 if the user can enter the query text and then it is a menu, and 9 for downloading binary files. < 1370916489 198821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I just use a space? < 1370916527 826288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on the client whether or not it will work. < 1370916558 376918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type code isn't send to the server so the server won't care if the client supports it or not. < 1370916564 967122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1370916569 886022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you write your own gopher server? < 1370916590 154396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but even if I didn't write my own gopher server, the same thing is true. < 1370916601 443983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you did. < 1370916611 154870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that why it doesn't work with most gopher clients I've tried? < 1370916674 891268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It is that your gopher clients may be broken by using a slash as the selector string even when it is blank; someone (maybe it was you?) test it and said it did that. But there is a work around: Use "root" as the selector string. < 1370916684 286016 :maria!~canaima@200.8.221.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370916831 20803 :maria!~canaima@200.8.221.117 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370917082 230746 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't found any usable Gopher clients on OS X. Any recommendations? < 1370917106 30414 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I think zzo38 is the only reason I've ever had cause to use gopher, so maybe I don't need it :D < 1370917128 899621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I don't know. I wrote one in shell scripts (although it was written in MinGW and probably needs to be modified), so maybe that one works. < 1370917135 415508 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP proxies for Gopher acceptable? < 1370917153 825249 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: That would be a good workaround < 1370917159 570444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: For my server no; the router blocks it. < 1370917165 225785 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeesh < 1370917169 898480 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, o.O why? < 1370917192 229622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Because the proxies won't make it so that Google won't index those proxies. < 1370917246 11966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a Windows emulator or some way to compile VB6 programs for non-Windows computers, you can also try Visgopher. < 1370917312 434051 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can use Overbite with FF < 1370917323 377258 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it, but it looks workable < 1370917343 378593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can use that. < 1370917470 752892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In languages with first-class continuations can you get the behavior of arbitrary monads to seem first-class? < 1370917473 727541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. parsers. < 1370917550 65442 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has Gopher, and I have Active Worlds < 1370917561 671575 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except AW is proprietary I guess < 1370917578 748564 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes I think < 1370917612 284577 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370917683 276822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370917705 71420 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit what's that library I fell in love with when I last looked at Scala < 1370917709 301273 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I want to link shachaf to < 1370917726 93110 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the benefits to gopher, anyway? < 1370917737 443413 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-230-237.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370917739 790062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the zzo38 nature < 1370917787 154001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Simplicity is one. < 1370917794 338349 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, https://github.com/urso/embeddedmonads < 1370917798 644557 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Link him to pipes. < 1370917819 873898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there gopher over ssl < 1370917830 819645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the screen does not have to render HTML/CSS/etc which aren't suitable for it. < 1370917838 336742 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least a gopher equivalent to SSL < 1370917845 732306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Probably you can do it if you want to; I don't know if any existing servers do. < 1370917870 369017 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's useless to have a server that does it if no clients do it < 1370917877 216166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the gopher equivalent of SSL be SSL? < 1370917883 191084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it encourages clients to adapt it < 1370917886 576717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's application protocol agnostic < 1370917924 565616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is occasionally annoying, e.g. the duplication of HTTP Host: header and SSL's SNI < 1370917933 958441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that is why it doesn't matter, if it uses it, if the client supports it, etc, just use something that allow you to make SSL connection with normal connections, and then clearly it will work. < 1370917939 646179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, drracket is kind of nice as a lightweight experimenting with code thing. < 1370917950 729947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok < 1370917975 638257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's annoying to use Racket as a Scheme implementation < 1370917982 435182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do #lang r5rs then you lose out on libraries or something < 1370918017 45005 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libraries that R5RS has no standard way to access anyway? < 1370918035 846708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it could be a pseudo-TLD so that if you connect to "example.org.ssl" then the DNS client will interfere with it and make it a SSL connection locally in the network driver. < 1370918050 548475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is a strange idea, one that I kind of like < 1370918075 996900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well one problem is that #lang r5rs prints cons cells in a weird way < 1370918092 284011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket distinguishes mutable and immutable cons cells, and the former are written like {2 . 3} rather than (2 . 3) < 1370918101 148684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and r5rs cons creates a mutable cell, naturally < 1370918146 520327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but it's different if you select "R5RS" from the menu, it seems < 1370918154 519083 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I agree about drracket < 1370918180 818425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://docs.racket-lang.org/plot/ looks neat < 1370918211 770242 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1370918447 606444 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... don't think I like how read console:// works in Rebol < 1370918459 75262 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If stdin is the console, it will only read one line < 1370918466 589079 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good scheme < 1370918476 163590 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can't really do cat with it... I think < 1370918546 346357 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O is very schemey in Rebol. Including Tcp < 1370918551 344321 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a tcp:// and a udp:// < 1370918582 40078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That logic about birds that can typically fly seems to me like pull-up resistors and pull-down resistors, kind of. Isn't it? < 1370918797 503289 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the schemes available on my copy of Rebol3 < 1370918808 796740 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370918851 451892 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :system:// console:// callback:// file:// dir:// event:// dns:// tcp:// clipboard:// http:// < 1370919147 707489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help how do delimited continuations work < 1370919170 371018 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pray to oleg and ye shall receive < 1370919206 112002 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, when you shift, what you're shifting takes full control < 1370919218 127862 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's given an argument representing what would have been the rest of the computation < 1370919237 91364 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wants, it can feed that "rest of the computation" a value as many or as few times as it wants, and use those results as it pleases < 1370919244 188079 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whatever it returns is the final result < 1370919301 144860 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much like >>=... >>= gets as an argument a function, which it can use as many or as few times as it wants to determine its final result < 1370919396 246140 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { a <- ma; b <- mb }... the first >>= that that translates into gets to choose whether the rest of do block gets run at all, or how many times, and what happens to those... exactly like the expression given to shift gets to choose what happens to the rest of the computation, whether to use it and how many times in calculating its final result < 1370919609 675951 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370920389 771905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370920476 802692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1370920500 893022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to write continuationy code in scheme and missing the feeling of fighting the type checker < 1370920523 542471 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delimited continuations seem like the sort of thing that might have an equivalent in category theory. < 1370920576 602782 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett TOPIC #esoteric :опасное безумие | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | SEUTA KEULAEPEUTEU < 1370920625 284614 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Implement overly strict and completely nonsensical typechecker in scheme, hth < 1370920661 734295 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :error compiling (+ 4 5): type mismatch: Even, Odd < 1370920684 384678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Bike < 1370920686 657670 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be ridiculous. + isn't a valid operation on Odd. < 1370920688 533533 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1370920694 414009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like home < 1370920708 758036 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medical foods are foods that are specially formulated and intended for the dietary management of a disease that has distinctive nutritional needs that cannot be met by normal diet alone. < 1370920711 883268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's why you get an error! < 1370920722 255425 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should implement a typechecker based on PID controllers and neural nets. < 1370920731 327746 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that sounds exciting. < 1370920827 686474 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of declaring the entire program to be either correct or incorrect, it simply assigns an error value to every little piece of the program. < 1370920909 826562 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your program will still run no matter what, but it will attempt to spend more time running code with a lower error value. < 1370920920 360805 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all of the code has a high error value, the program will just run really slowly. < 1370920921 341104 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then deletes the line, like fuckitjs or certain versions of GHC < 1370922005 553943 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370922073 377125 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :** Script error: cannot use write on port! value < 1370922078 961768 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGUMENTS: < 1370922079 76909 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : destination (port! file! url! block!) < 1370922082 191160 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wats < 1370922088 713588 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1370922209 367290 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even manage to write a cat program in Rebol < 1370922210 750137 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck < 1370922362 840264 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: What are these advanced semantics in Rebol? < 1370922402 275461 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell phantom_hoover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2RzY2Mzr94 game < 1370922402 383411 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1370922431 635667 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370923258 858578 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370923865 389012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did whoever added 'hazanavicius coraile oussama bin vodid muhammad jihad pirlgrimage "hello world" von dreyfus said' intend to make the BelalCode article? Well, it can be put back on in case it is actually made and that such a thing is working. < 1370923939 566163 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover I'm going to design a Brainfuck-equivalent language. < 1370923939 648485 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1370923992 648276 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not actually BF equiv. It won't be able to represent +- or >< or ]..[ or other such atrocities that I can think of. < 1370924026 387057 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1370924026 943983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am one thought of things like that too, a kind of compression that cannot represent such things. < 1370924101 937972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: kmc can confirm that anything + acid is a nice combination < 1370924126 52045 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, my ideas: In some circumstances, some characters are impossible. With only 7 commands taken, there's room for one pseudocommand. Let that command expand into two commands on decompression. I _think_ that would work on random data < 1370924127 936232 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION snickers a bit at the PS4 press con at E3. < 1370924142 159306 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall sum it up for you: "Playstation: It's Not Xbox." < 1370924185 58508 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA < 1370924188 387550 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But let's try this: It expands into the previous character twice. And, if the previous was a pseudocharacter, then that pseudocharacter's character to expand into 4 times < 1370924188 997095 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1370924221 430791 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yup. < 1370924224 528982 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if RLE might be a better idea < 1370924229 303812 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is certainly interesting < 1370924242 647952 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there circumstances that would give room for two pseudocharacters? < 1370924271 521960 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, pseudocommands < 1370924337 887458 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are there better ways to do fewer than 3 bits per command? Since each command after 1 is restricted doesn't need 3 bits, what ways besides a pseudocharacter that expands into two could take advantage of that? < 1370924469 506992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370924639 696543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use some dynamic Huffman, maybe, with the checking of what is redundancy, possibly in more ways that your specification. < 1370924726 201811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone wrote comment about Malbolge, on the "99 bottles of beer" program, the comment: HOW can human (without drinking 99 bottles of bear) write in this language??? < 1370924737 441719 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Arithmetic encoding? < 1370924743 625795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write in this language if you drink 99 bottles of beer (or of bear)? < 1370924765 390617 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can get fractional bits that way. < 1370924802 60421 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hmm < 1370924858 94847 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need 3 bits/command most of the time, it's only on occasion that I can get away with a little less < 1370924884 69460 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370925170 365346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: disconfirm < 1370925579 123165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1370925629 856327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ericlippert.com/2013/06/10/construction-destruction/ was pretty confusing when I thought it was talking about C++. < 1370925663 586001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's C# < 1370925688 817509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are small syntactic clues but i definitely can imagine skimming it and thinking it's C++ < 1370925714 569770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1370925721 277234 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....system/ports/output isn't completely implemented yet < 1370925825 368600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the context of your acid claim anywaychaf < 1370925841 618595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:14 Btw, tables + acid-state is a nice combination. < 1370925845 87227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1370925859 707762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there were some state of the US particularly known for its acid < 1370925860 53069 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course Rebol 2 is more stable. It's also proprietary. < 1370925863 985732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past kmc has compared """acid-state""" to haskell < 1370925870 402849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolleyes < 1370925871 305768 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone wants a deadfish impl. in a proprietary language < 1370925876 91701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE WANTS IT < 1370925879 672766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1370925879 920969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEADFISH IN MIRANDA NOWWW < 1370925893 951074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(acid-state is a drugz euphemizm btw) < 1370925902 947451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're on the same page shacha < 1370925904 717183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1370925907 991545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(page of blotter acid that is) < 1370925914 828638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Well, I don't, but you can do it if you want it, I suppose. < 1370925933 243159 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I want Rebol 3 to be in a half decent state < 1370925972 827999 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can do this: < 1370925977 555111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?q=blotter+paper+lsd&tbm=isch < 1370925989 95758 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-char: does [to string! read/part console:// 1] < 1370925993 572863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz uze encrypted.google.com thx hth < 1370926039 27157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what it oes better but it does something better. < 1370926041 180320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe referers? < 1370926045 174742 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does is just a convenient way to make an anonymous func that doesn't take arguments) < 1370926104 104329 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to Google, the difference is with handling referrer information when clicking on an ad." < 1370926111 892962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/32367/what-is-the-difference-between-https-google-com-and-https-encrypted-google-c < 1370926139 134925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw once i consumed a whole bunch of acid and it messed with my tongue for days < 1370926154 936530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm referring to citric acid * malic acid of course) < 1370926161 260937 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1370926166 930041 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if there's another way to take that < 1370926236 706705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get in the habit of using * instead of +? < 1370926247 252199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have both of two things, instead of either of two things. < 1370926264 44205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1370926291 780582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. tables * acid-state is a nice combination. < 1370926298 713172 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370926305 669056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :· < 1370926308 737030 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :× < 1370926323 419710 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370926327 152593 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :∩ < 1370926343 225403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :∇×v < 1370926343 601075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ǔ < 1370926353 409755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa dude it's like a u with another u above it < 1370926359 321243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ŭ = w < 1370926359 648198 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUDE < 1370926362 485145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a u with another u's hat on < 1370926394 634738 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o̊ < 1370926420 894053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :m̼ < 1370926477 371663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x̽ < 1370926564 7315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2F31D COMBINING BRITISH ACCENT < 1370926652 906346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym ACCENT INDICATOR + COMBINING ACCENT COUNTRY CODE U + COMBINING ACCENT COUNTRY CODE K < 1370926882 214035 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370926909 314158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "seuta keulaepeuteu" mean < 1370926918 996505 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370926936 752577 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370927003 238724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a romanization of the korean name for StarCraft? < 1370927022 714842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370927027 398841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "bug in google translate" < 1370927035 341086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1370927040 112161 :sprockle_!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370927069 874272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doesn't do phonetic latin typing for korean < 1370927074 278646 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370927149 271637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :korean: secretly related to finnish? < 1370927264 768184 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure some linguist has proposed that < 1370927271 860092 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish isn't IE either!! < 1370927284 662740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1370927306 360938 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-the-Finnish-and-Korean-languages-may-share-a-common-root i fucking love quora < 1370927466 984019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?share=1 < 1370927467 56073 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1370927523 760040 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why does that work < 1370927566 915066 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural%E2%80%93Altaic_languages oh fuck me it really is a theory. < 1370927882 87969 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've been rather miffed about the lack of phonetic typing for Korean in Google Translate, recently < 1370927890 682019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah really < 1370927900 217893 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is korean typed? < 1370927900 321300 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn Korean < 1370927914 370549 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: With a keyboard < 1370927918 259553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one jamo at a time < 1370927923 478369 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a smartass please < 1370927938 962976 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading about burmese input yesterday and am now reasonably sure typing is impossible < 1370927955 114431 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not bad once you understand hangul, a bit < 1370927961 410599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the dual of rean (categoriez joke) < 1370927970 477373 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the 2-set layout on my machine < 1370927972 483708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why they don't have internet in burma < 1370928014 702409 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't started learning hanja, yet, though < 1370928026 220261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need those < 1370928059 378216 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :names, maybe? < 1370928069 386978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the packaging of Shin Ramyun < 1370928109 168500 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Today, a good working knowledge of Chinese characters is still important for anyone who wishes to study older texts (up to about the 1990s), or anyone who wishes to read scholarly texts in the humanities." < 1370928118 356029 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. (though i think that's a typo for "1890s") < 1370928121 987375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lool < 1370928130 759242 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why did I learn Latin? To see connections between all the Romance languages. Learn hanja for the same reason one learns hanzi or kanji, I guess < 1370928152 186017 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that really work, i mean, korean and chinese aren't related like romance languages are < 1370928176 301939 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The choice of symbols are, though < 1370928198 473355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the choice of symbols based on pronunciation or meaning or a terrible mix of both? < 1370928220 32966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn Latin because it is a dead language so existing words and grammar and so on no longer changes/evolves (although new words are occasionally made up, still) < 1370928222 556745 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More that latter < 1370928250 760189 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: iirc kanji have never been pronounced very much like chinese? < 1370928251 930904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1370928257 422071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is latin for Bike < 1370928272 574763 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«One way of adapting hanja to write Korean in such systems (such as Gugyeol) was to represent native Korean grammatical particles and other words solely according to their pronunciation. For example, Gugyeol uses the characters 爲尼 to transcribe the Korean word "hăni", in modern Korean, that means "does, and so". However, in Chinese, the same characters are read as the expression "wéi ní," meaning "becoming a nun."» < 1370928287 351391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Kind of, especially in compound words, but still it is an approximation. < 1370928301 393510 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bikepodes < 1370928343 371059 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much Chinese, but apparently in Mandarin the sound of a character is derived from the main radical and then that is effected by another radical (usually to indicate the consonant sound) < 1370928362 835891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I think I read about that, too < 1370928367 648243 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading a korean comic and a high school student insulted another student's mislinguistics by saying King Sejong would be rolling in his grave < 1370928370 567314 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was weird < 1370928390 135891 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese pronunciation of kanji is similar to the Mandarin, but the "Japaneseness" is still quite evident < 1370928403 480538 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you'ev seen a lot of the words next to each other, the patterns are easier to spot < 1370928417 733501 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough Korean, yet, to say anything similar < 1370928421 643409 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you've < 1370928437 658929 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's pretty funny about Sejong :D < 1370928452 355445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of korean comics did you see that terrible korean comic < 1370928467 257039 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, i've read a lot of terrible comics from various places < 1370928475 49923 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i read whatever you're referring to? it's possible! < 1370928481 278779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google that terrible korean comic < 1370928482 936159 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=20&weekday=tue < 1370928483 8069 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: 2011 미스테리 단편 :: 네이버 만화 < 1370928483 180944 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370928486 521640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible in the sense of unpleasant < 1370928489 254374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recommend it < 1370928490 405399 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed < 1370928501 219656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese kanji has different reading, kun-yomi, on-yomi, and in one page of the Akagi manga I have even seen a kanji that is using the English reading! < 1370928505 256310 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it the horror story one < 1370928513 483657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370928532 148410 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ick, that's unpleasant < 1370928564 155840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know they used the English reading of kanji, ever, but they did just once in Akagi. < 1370928660 517545 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird how like every korean webcomic is on naver. whoever runs that's got a pretty good monopoly < 1370928684 886109 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many pop-scares in that comic < 1370928746 466132 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's pretty mediocre but that's horror for you. < 1370928842 133289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait the version i saw was in english < 1370928846 624809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this even the same comic < 1370928851 546958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway not reading hth < 1370928856 797839 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1370928867 706212 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i;m so fucking helped right now < 1370928966 738922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why programmers get paid so much money < 1370928987 708426 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skilled labor? Why do plumbers get paid so much? < 1370928998 137060 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're covered in shit < 1370929000 937687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do plumbers get paid < 1370929016 766745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that most programming is plumbing < 1370929019 511293 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: $35-75 < 1370929025 771481 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :per hour < 1370929039 860907 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Licensing gets you about double that < 1370929054 205263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what distinguishes the $35/hr plumbers from the $75/hr plumbers < 1370929063 938578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how easy/hard is it to get 40hrs of work per week < 1370929066 648175 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimalism and craftsmanship < 1370929081 695046 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experience, I guess. I think it's largely an apprenticeship sort of trade < 1370929085 880519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1370929120 263026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there have been various proposals to reorganize programming as an apprenticeship sort of trade < 1370929125 614969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it's a good idea or not < 1370929148 157401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do feel like most of the practical stuff I know I've learned on the job rather than in school < 1370929162 40979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the stuff I learned in school has enriched my life and indirectly makes me better at practical stuff too < 1370929184 848446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many people are even qualified to compare and contrast training/certification models < 1370929196 299974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1370929230 565072 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should find a plumber who dabbles in database programming < 1370929252 93460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably relatively few < 1370929256 60379 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with apprenticeship-style jobs of all sorts is that it's hard to get into. < 1370929262 107506 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess academia is... sort of apprenticey... < 1370929263 409270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably almost no intersection with the people who write blog posts about how programmers should be taught / managed / hired < 1370929264 176958 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plumbers usually have plumbers in the family. < 1370929280 21570 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370929294 121664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well once you're a tenured professor you aren't getting your hands dirty so much anymore < 1370929296 897316 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google plumbing blog < 1370929299 835519 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.allareaplumbing.net/ < 1370929299 907308 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: All Area Plumbing Blog - Ask The Plumber Blog | Plumbing Advice | Affordable ... < 1370929302 655625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of the work is done by the apprentices < 1370929312 340748 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tht's it. we need professors to take up plumbing < 1370929326 948399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reflecting earlier on the fact that I don't know a single person who dropped out of grad school and regrets the decision < 1370929340 61000 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1370929352 176327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not to say nobody should do grad school, but if you're on the fence about it then maybe it's not for you < 1370929352 664494 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless your goal is to be a professor, grad school in CS is almost totally pointless. < 1370929355 233426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like startups! < 1370929358 818072 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who's intending to go to grad school it's uh, there's a lot of reasons not to be encouraged < 1370929364 143314 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that it's in CS) < 1370929365 703965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes, in fact you can do much better research in industry, in many cases < 1370929368 722814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: bio? < 1370929376 510506 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird neurocrap, hopefully < 1370929380 138322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1370929385 510266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know someone doing neurocrap at Brown < 1370929395 323902 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math grad school 4 lyfe < 1370929399 629272 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1370929409 932443 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're in math, you can't make anything of your degree at any level. < 1370929411 263466 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why not. < 1370929413 23589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :math grad students seem abnormally happy compared to CS or experimental science ones < 1370929417 775732 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: did you know there are articles like "An implantable wireless neural interface for recording cortical circuit dynamics in moving primates" in real journals that you can really read < 1370929422 811765 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's all the amphetamines < 1370929423 249316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are the days of hiring maths students in finance over? < 1370929429 655040 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I am the happiest human being alive. < 1370929430 309894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fun < 1370929438 914780 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iopscience.iop.org/1741-2552/10/2/026010 < 1370929472 416132 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard math grads are different from other grads though < 1370929478 74455 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you don't know what you're going to study, going in < 1370929496 919463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm told that you spend your first few years reading a few of those yellow death books and working all the problems < 1370929517 21057 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yellow death? < 1370929518 709364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point you know which sub-sub-sub-field of math you want to study, and you find the six people in the world who do the same < 1370929520 928113 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Springers < 1370929528 665567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Springer Verlag Graduate Texts in Mathematics < 1370929536 686129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.arizona.edu/~savitt/GTM.html < 1370929537 109391 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, the horror < 1370929537 698536 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's pretty true. I think I'm going to focus on algebra, but that's pretty vague < 1370929547 869699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you just like chill with those six people < 1370929553 69526 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda like the GTMs < 1370929560 406022 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe math should like be split up < 1370929565 666836 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sure seems like there's a lot of it! < 1370929582 100278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more as quickly as people can think it up < 1370929590 283638 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like wtf does an algebraist have to talk about with a dynamicist most of the time < 1370929600 90102 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like if you grouped ethologists and immunologists together < 1370929600 239071 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much. Calculus taught me that continuous math is weird and unpleasant to me, so everything I like to do now is discrete and perfect and beautiful :D < 1370929610 219777 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk. continuity 4 lyfe. < 1370929611 267059 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hell, most schools have only a small department of math < 1370929613 193854 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh by the way guys the Apple keynote at WWDC mentioned some of my stuffs. < 1370929614 511273 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, y'know. < 1370929615 953882 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm famous. < 1370929617 392717 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just FYI. < 1370929619 745480 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :our school does it right < 1370929624 650994 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can i have your autograph < 1370929633 188460 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the CBC put my name in an article, therefore I'm famous < 1370929633 445847 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: $300 < 1370929636 707403 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, they quoted me < 1370929641 487598 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you really are a grad student < 1370929642 675789 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had Dummit for Algebra, so I feel pretty awesome :D < 1370929647 874505 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lol X-D < 1370929696 527753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another real neuroshit paper that's sci-fi as fuck is "Improving brain-machine interface performance by decoding intended future movements" but alas i lack pubmed access < 1370929723 115867 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think I might have pubmed access < 1370929727 392035 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can check, if you like < 1370929745 787547 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well i guess it's JNE again hm < 1370929757 192070 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iopscience.iop.org/1741-2552/10/2/026011/ < 1370929770 808167 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how the cyborg monkeys feel about all this < 1370930239 880067 :Bamba705!~ADG705@37.142.50.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370930239 977120 :Bamba705!~ADG705@37.142.50.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to take someone offline Friends, Game Servers, Website? Join iBooter ! ibooter.me < 1370930240 48683 :Bamba705!~ADG705@37.142.50.132 PART :#esoteric < 1370930301 219796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya got iBooted < 1370930322 992631 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sadly, my university's PubMed shit seems to have disappeared :( < 1370930327 178501 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o well < 1370930350 958141 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks anyway, i'll just have to content myself with CPG legs < 1370930802 395603 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth is iBooter? < 1370930903 703529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iBooTer is the one of the best Booters on the internet. Cheap & Great attack strength with 24/7 Support!! So come join the Family" i'm excited < 1370930911 757668 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, Had to go to their terms of service to figure out what the hell service they offer. < 1370930956 723877 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for those prices I hope they actually deliver < 1370931238 755303 :sprockle_!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370931462 638791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: itym chiiiiiiiiip hth < 1370931472 673612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1370931717 762492 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370933758 716197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1370935385 69299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :опасное безумие | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | SEUTA KEULAEPEUTEU < 1370935400 279190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :опасное безумие | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | SEUTA KEULAEPEUTEU | nid wyf yn y swyddfa < 1370936036 965665 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370936719 84463 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370937448 53910 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370938094 697541 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1370938361 940328 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1370938377 772365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Buhnana < 1370939667 952435 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1370939810 165715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh by the way guys the Apple keynote at WWDC mentioned some of my stuffs. <-- what kind of stuffs? < 1370940766 520902 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370942097 644611 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1370943618 83264 :VGFAA778!~L23Lf778@212.150.107.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370943618 210218 :VGFAA778!~L23Lf778@212.150.107.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to take someone offline Friends, Game Servers, Website? Join iBooter ! ibooter.me < 1370943618 282214 :VGFAA778!~L23Lf778@212.150.107.163 PART :#esoteric < 1370943712 975276 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370943899 358631 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370943923 996695 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370944034 755688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to take someone's offline friends? Just murder them and their friends will be all yours: that's how it works. < 1370944035 102648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Want to take someone offline Friends, Game Servers, Website? < 1370944035 616082 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but, it's this crazy/ wacky issue settled first, but it's a more familiar feeling, but never one to believe in love at all? is that the story? < 1370944158 7051 :VGFAA666!~L23Lf666@212.150.107.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370944158 254079 :VGFAA666!~L23Lf666@212.150.107.163 PART :#esoteric < 1370944235 312848 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370944258 47113 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370945859 561099 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370945928 286459 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370947386 643445 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370948381 72333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370948585 523600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does anyone know the limit of (1/e)x^e as e -> 0 for positive x? i'm thinking it's ln x but i'm not sure < 1370948624 740569 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1370948734 883657 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram alpha says it's infinity from positive direction, -inf from negative? < 1370948754 592032 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the series expansion is 1/c + log(x) + c/2 * log(x)^2 + O(c^2) < 1370948759 969901 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess that basically reduces to 1/c < 1370948890 288711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's < 1370948890 932253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1370948895 393549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1370948896 859820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1370948899 760895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is c < 1370948936 166086 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops < 1370948937 914735 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replaced e with < 1370948939 998076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e with c < 1370948944 561104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it thought e was the constant -_- < 1370948945 660910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i got that expression by integrating x^(e-1) on the assumption that integration was continuous fwiw) < 1370949003 415770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I did um... 1/c * x^c as c->0 < 1370949043 522539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that log x term in the series expansion looks tantalising though < 1370949922 642234 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370949982 207343 :itsy!~digital_w@146.90.40.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370951223 64673 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370952333 22121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370952379 69310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370952413 686224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1370952440 558059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when x=e (the actual constant, that is) the limit isn't well-defined < 1370952451 180155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly it's not log e < 1370952503 90682 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1/e + log(x) so it's not well defined to begin with is it? < 1370952508 234069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1/0 is well yeah < 1370952531 873512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370952583 846839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log(x) would be swamped, I'd think < 1370952646 793372 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I buy Scrolls? < 1370952742 414514 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the game < 1370952751 380123 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as in bits of paper < 1370952776 979033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We do not want to be the first software in history to be delayed due to a dwindling supply of cats" -- apple at wwdc < 1370952787 346290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally apple tackles the real issues < 1370952915 348981 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be exactly the opposite problem Bay 12 games is facing < 1370953175 660140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, imo no < 1370953189 571342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i not impressed the awfulness of mojang upon you < 1370953352 795607 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you've impressed the awfulness of their coding style upon be sufficiently to deter me from applying to work for Mojang as a programmer < 1370953359 243171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1370953359 493759 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1370953361 39649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Will you, yourself, bring an end to all of this? < 1370953361 445064 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the king awaits. you saved our queen? you see, the mammon machine! < 1370953363 193354 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the quality of planning of Notch < 1370953373 847026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to tell the bestest thing! < 1370953381 668210 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seeing as Notch had little contribution to Scrolls... < 1370953423 261233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday, in Lugano, when we went to the hotel to pick up our luggage, an Indian-looking woman came to me and asked if I was "the creator of Minecraft"; apparently her son was completely convinced I was. < 1370953439 716187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't look at all like Notch, except for having a similar hat. < 1370953457 221170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do (allegedly, anyway) resemble Jeb a bit, though, so maybe it was just a communications problem. < 1370953463 275173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I'm either of them.) < 1370953486 814370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps all Scandinavians look alike to "them". < 1370953515 256236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was the day before yesterday. Anyway. < 1370953758 712417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't notch wear a fedora < 1370953927 379092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn fizzie is the creator of Minecraft. < 1370953935 693275 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1370953948 78343 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370954218 840154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about hats, but I have this thing that's a bit like one, I guess. < 1370955864 111098 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1370955896 335900 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370956082 30617 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1370956337 815285 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1370956517 244860 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1370956773 87820 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-51.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370958085 51578 :k0herence!~ghassan@121.121.82.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370958109 918432 :k0herence!~ghassan@121.121.82.95 PART :#esoteric < 1370959154 730780 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370959194 63249 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370960204 815204 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1370960324 766657 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370960825 484745 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1370961469 924712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1370962669 103340 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1370962949 788972 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-15.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370963008 855822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370963149 517542 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I made a little emacs cheet sheet < 1370963228 616084 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe too little < 1370963233 360116 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can barely read it < 1370963342 36291 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370963790 216080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write it in a text file < 1370963791 420015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with emacs < 1370965292 750075 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370965660 59578 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-51.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1370965733 889386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should configure a key combination in your Emacs to access it. < 1370965750 544264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key combination should be prominently listed on top of the cheat sheet, since you'll be needing it often. < 1370966427 978410 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370966502 47726 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370966669 143806 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Quit: requested < 1370966935 733177 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370967037 961065 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370967077 811592 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370967079 502289 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370967124 265388 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370967150 439529 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370967581 383369 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370967606 367840 :Pb!~neuropuff@108-66-166-228.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1370967687 365297 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, btw, thanks for your anthracite mod < 1370967703 358578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks anthracite < 1370967705 125012 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, anthracite. Thanthracite. < 1370967971 375493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day i should flesh that out and balance it (ahahaha) < 1370968077 36594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1370968085 537866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i give you the components that adjusted iron ore distribution, i don't remember < 1370968524 705103 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maybe, I've got loads of iron ore < 1370968536 642677 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact yes < 1370968549 672766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really needs rebalancing < 1370968567 722916 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370968571 50245 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a fortress that's 4 years old without trade < 1370968585 320299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the magnetite deposits, those things are way too big to be in every other layer < 1370968709 676274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^28 `mod` 29 < 1370968711 192917 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1370968718 647339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's dumb < 1370968723 490394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^14 `mod` 29 < 1370968724 684748 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28 < 1370968728 273654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^4 `mod` 29 < 1370968729 882092 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 < 1370969513 388809 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370969695 794981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370969978 192302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sayitwithbacon.com set fire to america < 1370970111 186751 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in canada they have Real Bacon though! < 1370970861 998815 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1370970945 710951 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 QUIT :Quit: requested < 1370970992 294446 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world's most tasteful gift < 1370971007 973022 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jacket potato? < 1370971018 980621 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370971124 737926 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370971150 407615 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370971226 936707 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1370971265 687526 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1370971288 478546 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a cool channel. < 1370971298 868217 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it randomly. has been around for a while? < 1370971316 802491 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome `0x00 < 1370971320 684974 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​10`0x1400: Welcome to 07the internation08al06 11hub for esote11ric 04programming lan07guage design and dep13l10oyment! For more in09for05matio14n, c10heck out03 our wiki: http://esolangs14.o06r13g/wiki/M09ain_P05ag08e. (F03or the other ki04nd of es12oteric06a, tr14y #esot03eric11 on ir07c.dal02.14net.) < 1370971324 151531 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is a while < 1370971330 398898 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been around like a week at least < 1370971445 50170 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnx < 1370971447 256008 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads < 1370971457 377884 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Quit: requested < 1370971802 743863 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370971883 732509 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1370972015 846955 :Guest89222!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1370972021 826479 :Guest89222!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Client Quit < 1370972114 603387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: woow < 1370972117 187578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a week is a long time < 1370972156 686869 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes its pretty amazing < 1370972204 340489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 1 week in nanoseconds < 1370972237 270343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 1 week in nanoseconds < 1370972244 155875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frank 1 week -> nanoseconds < 1370972245 140112 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: frank: not found < 1370972254 679619 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 week -> nanoseconds < 1370972258 160096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with you lambdabot < 1370972263 152892 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :604800000000000 < 1370972272 827196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lambdabot isn't even in here < 1370972280 725351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's having issues < 1370972302 561482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how my lambdabot /query got messed up and renamed to /query Guestblahblahblah. < 1370972312 269005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Cale's fault < 1370972321 814656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a cron job or something running the *old* lambdabot < 1370972328 578125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I then tried to "debug" the L.hs of < 1370972330 620110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hours < 1370972336 950683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not realising it was the old lambdabot < 1370972349 108830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messing up my /query isn't a very Caley behavior. < 1370972373 442223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I just realized I closed my lambdabot window which had my list of suggestions for lambdabot. < 1370972398 769199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had suggestions? < 1370972410 72288 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1370972415 106645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1370972424 499335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1370972424 702302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People in ##categorytheory were complaining about the absence of lambdabot. < 1370972432 524282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is it not in the join list? < 1370972434 809840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then add it on? < 1370972434 992746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I'm not in the admin list... I wonder why. < 1370972440 382289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370972442 255770 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##categorytheory ? < 1370972446 464098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join ##categorytheory < 1370972458 229408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :added it to online.rc too < 1370972461 912087 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good channel < 1370972492 191582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good channel is a dead channel < 1370972493 149736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1370972504 682684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Identity () < 1370972507 761909 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Identity {runIdentity = ()} < 1370972508 474927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> In Nothing < 1370972511 375452 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = Nothing} < 1370972515 112069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the things I do for you < 1370972530 822165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other suggestions were to fix the quote thing to be more like HackEgo rather than the nick->quote nonsense. < 1370972547 931327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41 -!- `0x00 [~ping@u.nxsh.org] has joined ##categorytheory < 1370972548 162895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41 -!- `0x00 [~ping@u.nxsh.org] has left ##categorytheory [] < 1370972550 446733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's nice that you can quote non-IRC things non-awkwardly < 1370972582 380093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... is just as non-awkward. < 1370972593 721833 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :saul gorn? < 1370972611 939254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43:07 > id18:43:09 No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable a0) < 1370972612 303521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. literally add "SaulGorn says: ..." to the quote database < 1370972615 130177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43:09 arising from a use of `M1506157215.show_M1506157215'18:43:09 The type variable `a0' is ambiguous18:43:09 Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s)18:43:09 Note: there are several potential instances: < 1370972620 217479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43:11 [7 @more lines] < 1370972633 879737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why ExtendedDefaultingRules aren't firing???? < 1370972640 892858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why am i not in the @admin list < 1370972641 312704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fire for > undefined < 1370972730 371724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: do you gotta problem with saul gorn < 1370972769 470804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print < 1370972770 802198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id < 1370972770 912644 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : <() -> IO ()> < 1370972772 127189 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable a0) < 1370972772 199164 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1370972772 990930 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant look saul gorn up because my dns isnt working < 1370972776 234572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know why these would differ < 1370972811 379029 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of thos extended defaulting rules isnt extended =enough= < 1370972817 293312 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const < 1370972818 415588 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable b0) < 1370972818 487617 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1370972822 901774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: 4.2.2.2, 8.8.8.8 < 1370972826 442583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://128.91.234.106/~rclark/gorn.html < 1370972826 514617 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return < 1370972827 663307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1370972828 796948 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable1 m0) < 1370972828 907583 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use... < 1370972834 901239 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1370972835 627123 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thacchaf < 1370972850 723020 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the show constraint on print? < 1370972853 861225 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show constraint < 1370972860 758808 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show < 1370972861 877426 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : <() -> [Char]> < 1370972861 949156 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read < 1370972863 73629 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable a0) < 1370972863 145523 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1370972889 591230 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its Show but why < 1370972911 414291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :show no!! < 1370972937 706564 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good compendium < 1370972940 914451 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks saul gorn < 1370972946 352944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote SaulGorn < 1370972946 465969 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :SaulGorn says: A formalist is one who cannot understand a theory unless it is meaningless. < 1370972955 468993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks saul gorn < 1370972978 57557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: but < 1370972979 315493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined < 1370972980 151614 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1370972981 26550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1370972983 584142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thats forall a. a < 1370972993 68074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hM < 1370972996 453101 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: a -> a < 1370972997 600239 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable a0) < 1370972997 718474 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1370972997 965903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because its "wrapped in a print" < 1370972999 760028 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1370973000 932811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1370973002 873809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its doing < 1370973004 48164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :show undefined < 1370973008 504578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that induces a Show constraint < 1370973010 325714 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: Show a => a -> a < 1370973010 911480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the defaulting fires < 1370973013 441455 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : <() -> ()> < 1370973015 363047 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ < 1370973017 282931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1370973026 14393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it meant to default everything to ()....... < 1370973031 48057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including things you wanna be Typeable < 1370973032 123642 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: Typeable a => a -> a < 1370973034 200246 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable a0) < 1370973034 272285 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1370973035 844603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: Typeable a => a < 1370973038 100412 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1370973040 528037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1370973042 347840 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not a function < 1370973047 124277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370973049 950582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intentionally not < 1370973056 858260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uiuaf < 1370973060 675135 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itll only do the Show instance for -> if its a function < 1370973064 888973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370973065 766389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1370973069 229585 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Show instance for -> is what needs typable < 1370973069 956392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand what i was checking for < 1370973072 205917 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1370973074 754928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand what i was checking for. < 1370973085 185077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my current hypothesis is maybe ExtendedDefaultingRules don't apply to the prerequisites of an instance < 1370973085 715915 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its obvious that itd give an exception???? < 1370973092 539570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1370973102 192335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering whether it would default with Typeable there < 1370973129 596918 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=/ < 1370973146 304451 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: () < 1370973148 335843 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1370973151 268696 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1370973163 559549 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is show strict for ()!!!!!!!! < 1370973180 964410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: it s better that way........................................... < 1370973202 623336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> absurd < 1370973205 174004 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `absurd' < 1370973207 807073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add Data.Void. < 1370973232 862041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['A'..'Z'] < 1370973234 608916 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" < 1370973245 596998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1370973245 746887 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1370973247 570079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow lambdabot has really gone downhill < 1370973247 678192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> absurd < 1370973250 365359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> view _1 (1,2) < 1370973251 316180 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : L.hs:96:1: < 1370973251 387211 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Void: Can't be safely imported! The module itself isn'... < 1370973252 561947 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : L.hs:96:1: < 1370973252 670543 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Void: Can't be safely imported! The module itself isn'... < 1370973256 547608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1370973262 566169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1370973262 668438 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1370973273 860729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just fix the packages in question. < 1370973279 77420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have commit rights to all of them except parallel. < 1370973592 33237 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370973736 647522 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370974289 459660 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370974484 38292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370974933 921262 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1370977387 47471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1370977682 651696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan < 1370977700 440175 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1370978317 905870 :kallisti!~eris@adsl-184-36-230-155.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370978318 17063 :kallisti!~eris@adsl-184-36-230-155.asm.bellsouth.net QUIT :Changing host < 1370978318 17203 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1370978451 695335 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1370978559 507484 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: are you there < 1370978707 443331 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370978943 744968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> In Nothing < 1370978947 499162 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370978950 610155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> In Nothing < 1370978954 373330 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370978957 818310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1370978959 180054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> In Nothing < 1370978961 956356 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = Nothing} < 1370978979 846995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting ++ ")}" in read disgusting < 1370978980 797512 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1370978993 823204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo = In (Just foo) in foo < 1370978996 673446 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = Just (In {out = Just (In {out = Just (In {out = Just (In {out = J... < 1370979009 328448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1370979012 730952 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1370979016 495440 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In (Just ice) < 1370979017 244997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979021 719870 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979023 293663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979027 679114 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979029 512877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979032 441994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOYU < 1370979033 200902 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979035 237594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1370979036 531603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to hEL < 1370979037 576889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1370979039 549125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1370979042 282250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979045 459458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979046 14283 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979047 265619 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic < 1370979048 479944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979049 131405 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979051 504570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979052 185998 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979054 535265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370979055 399777 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979057 559396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1370979058 376730 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1370979058 800149 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979059 781684 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply fantastic < 1370979060 40045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's an actual infinite loop < 1370979068 313559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assign ion to ionvestigate < 1370979071 920054 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine it not being an actual infinite loop... < 1370979095 523496 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw cycle hth < 1370979103 39174 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you seen the monstrosities ion attempts with tables < 1370979104 456056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I delegate elliott to ellook at it. < 1370979114 69886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes I get bloody emails about them thanks to edwardk < 1370979117 426421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not really caring about tables at all < 1370979119 635101 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thedwardk < 1370979120 943267 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the parser expected to be able to read infinitely nested text < 1370979136 990480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like it to < 1370979142 365812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'd be the super-cute's < 1370979151 314762 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur a reek < 1370979157 511335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = poo" :: Mu () < 1370979158 446836 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kind mis-match < 1370979158 518404 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : The first argument of `Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Truste... < 1370979162 970283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1370979165 106973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = poo" :: Mu Maybe < 1370979168 120044 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1370979175 124672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = Just (poo" :: Mu Maybe < 1370979178 353195 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1370979183 242693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = Just (In Nothing)}" :: Mu Maybe < 1370979187 911635 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979188 924014 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read ("In {out = " ++ repeat ' ') :: My Maybe < 1370979190 532862 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Mu < 1370979190 932104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1370979192 523983 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `My' < 1370979192 595978 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `Mu' (impor... < 1370979195 501641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> In (Just (In Nothing)) < 1370979196 832415 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read ("In {out = " ++ repeat ' ') :: Mu Maybe < 1370979198 766712 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = Just (In {out = Nothing})} < 1370979200 519499 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979201 651781 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t In < 1370979202 307700 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (Mu f) -> Mu f < 1370979206 316815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = Just (In Nothing)}" :: Mu Maybe < 1370979207 491254 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? how < 1370979210 152708 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979212 845862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = Just (In Nothing)}" :: Mu Maybe < 1370979216 576484 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1370979221 600354 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Mu < 1370979221 710412 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = In { out :: f (Mu f) } < 1370979230 210294 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1370979237 36451 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1370979237 307408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = Just (In {out = Nothing})}" :: Mu Maybe < 1370979240 158503 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = Just (In {out = Nothing})} < 1370979246 482797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = Just (In {out = " :: Mu Maybe < 1370979250 229234 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979254 41318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = Just (In {out = " :: Mu Maybe < 1370979257 33736 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : In {out = *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1370979260 466093 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how would that ever parse < 1370979261 497893 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wa sqrt 4 < 1370979263 773167 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "sqrt". < 1370979263 845080 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "4" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1370979263 845338 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1370979263 845470 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: being one more than three [syn: {four}, {4}, {iv}] < 1370979263 845581 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the cardinal number that is the sum of three and one [syn: < 1370979265 20026 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1370979265 679604 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : {four}, {4}, {IV}, {tetrad}, {quatern}, {quaternion}, < 1370979265 939995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it could partially parse < 1370979266 755455 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 4 < 1370979267 785186 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : {quaternary}, {quaternity}, {quartet}, {quadruplet}, < 1370979268 334647 :`0x00!~ping@u.nxsh.org QUIT :Changing host < 1370979268 406586 :`0x00!~ping@unaffiliated/0x00/x-2550036 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370979269 788527 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : {foursome}, {Little Joe}] < 1370979271 776594 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0 < 1370979275 560064 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1370979282 410388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's too strict < 1370979286 177759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do wrong :< < 1370979287 831181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't do my silly infinitely long read < 1370979294 735878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it answered < 1370979296 241532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2.0" < 1370979318 103676 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370979321 461831 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read $ "[" ++ cycle "1," < 1370979322 368909 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1370979329 584257 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 4 < 1370979330 343796 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0 < 1370979334 559407 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1370979339 788654 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1370979358 611822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = sqrt (2 + x) in x < 1370979362 233069 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979365 334395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fix < 1370979382 633364 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "[1,2]" < 1370979383 543164 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1370979390 943293 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i need to... type it... < 1370979391 156834 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is awesome. < 1370979397 608009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defaults to () < 1370979404 183234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this ain't mathematica boy < 1370979406 537880 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "In {out = \"shake it all about\"}" :: Mu String < 1370979407 440863 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kind mis-match < 1370979407 512680 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : The first argument of `Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Truste... < 1370979423 791771 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: literaly angry with rage, here < 1370979447 678359 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramanujan "not good enough for you"??? < 1370979460 540837 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read $ "[" ++ cycle "1," :: [Int] < 1370979464 222734 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979466 235936 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad < 1370979509 278081 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runIdentity $ read "Identity {runIdentity = ()}" < 1370979512 403246 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1370979513 841180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw I bet you could make a really evil type that let you do that sqrt (2 + x) thing < 1370979517 838090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is < 1370979520 946208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1370979530 34318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use observable sharing to build up an expression graph < 1370979542 273982 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize x is just two right < 1370979545 63700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a symbolic representation like the simple-reflect trick for the rest: < 1370979546 188906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + x < 1370979549 997505 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370979552 293896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1370979553 72076 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1370979553 194022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + x < 1370979554 516532 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "Identity {runIdentity = ()}" :: Identity () < 1370979555 210332 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 + x < 1370979557 66691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then solve the whole thing as an equation in the Show instance < 1370979557 871514 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Identity {runIdentity = ()} < 1370979564 948608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could input let x = sqrt (2 + x) in x and get 2.0 out < 1370979575 306947 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds idiotic, so, let's see it < 1370979575 417336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I almost want to try. < 1370979589 28666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even ship off the equations to satisfy to Maxima or whatever < 1370979596 947648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1370979613 897627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand how tempting this is < 1370979623 673931 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it!! < 1370979629 397185 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then /cs clear users in #haskell < 1370979653 577629 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370979701 551615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, the reason i thought it wasn't working is because my connection died in such a way that i didn't receive any messages after lambdabot's sourcing Mu < 1370979702 406028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm literally giggling over having this idea < 1370979722 558102 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm pretty confused about how that got into the log and your client without me getting 2.0 back? fuck this connection is what i'm saying < 1370979830 68233 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, elliott is running lambdabot < 1370979834 730705 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what this means < 1370979882 412453 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't :-( < 1370979885 742752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so speaking of stupid ideas i don't even get how the infinite parse is supposed to work < 1370979890 968454 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even end with infinite brackets! < 1370979893 77207 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offensive imo. < 1370979935 985916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1370979936 57855 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1370979938 244628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what does it mean < 1370979950 970115 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you running lambdabot locally? < 1370979955 84636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1370979956 653879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask < 1370979961 888675 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, on your computer? < 1370979965 413992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask < 1370979971 445454 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you are < 1370979975 52015 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "In {out = Just (" ++ "Nothing" ++ cycle ")}" < 1370979975 929887 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "In {out = Just (In {out = Just (In {out = Just (In {out = Just (In {out = ... < 1370979976 258906 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1370979977 368752 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then lambdabot is in Hexham! < 1370979980 492930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not < 1370979988 948931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, you can imagine Mu's parser would be like this: read ("Mu {out = " ++ s ++ "}") = Mu {out = read s} < 1370979989 52857 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Much better. < 1370980001 148820 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOw imagine lambdabot being in hexham < 1370980025 630098 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh, yes? < 1370980027 355986 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :}!!! < 1370980028 578380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1370980039 5477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes but it could "construct the value" and then error out if it doesn't see a } < 1370980057 496403 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just allow parsing unterminated expressions you could kill people < 1370980066 29096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is terminated! < 1370980068 293817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchy!! < 1370980074 481527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like me to add infinite }s to the end < 1370980078 25960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1370980095 401610 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've already done that!!! ☕) < 1370980098 590714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let disgusting = "In {out = Just (" ++ disgusting ++ ")}" in read disgusting :: Mu Maybe < 1370980102 203599 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370980103 997470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1370980106 26339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking broken < 1370980113 160871 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's terrible :( < 1370980239 248003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reduction (2*x + 0 + 0*y / g z) < 1370980242 21748 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2 * x + 0 + 0 * y / g z] < 1370980245 512006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1370980253 789224 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that supposed to simplify the expression? < 1370980304 180373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370980307 466075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reduction (0 + 0 + x) < 1370980309 952286 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0 + 0 + x,0 + x] < 1370980313 197406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows steps < 1370980316 601346 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1370980316 856431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's not very good at it < 1370980317 766259 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite effective < 1370980319 118023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reduction (x + 0 + 0) < 1370980322 177661 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x + 0 + 0] < 1370980324 287067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1370980324 615949 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a Tumblr account for a whole year < 1370980336 243860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: anyway, you've got me thinking now < 1370980338 379240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reduction (3 + 4 + x) < 1370980339 789055 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3 + 4 + x,7 + x] < 1370980341 316317 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry < 1370980350 15608 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it folds constants but doesn't eliminate identities < 1370980350 132657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this thing could turn your expressions into arbitrary trees and then do arbitrary things with them using maxima! < 1370980353 363328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even do derivatives < 1370980361 629844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1370980362 408769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy ones. < 1370980363 251639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic differentiation is pretty baller < 1370980366 819116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not AD < 1370980371 693759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's symbolic differentiation < 1370980372 786407 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe < 1370980374 261737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AD is way cooler < 1370980377 747238 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some Weak Shit son < 1370980398 929065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1370980399 301120 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1370980432 424507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maxima's ability to solve equations is limited, but progress is being made in this area." < 1370980436 770842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should shell out to mathematics < 1370980438 465671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mathematica < 1370980439 242085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good typo < 1370980521 740723 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining them citing richardson's theorem and just saying why bother < 1370980615 601947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know any good free as in farts CAS type things < 1370980616 972347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't maxima < 1370980668 265266 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is octave good? < 1370980682 347668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's more numerical than CASy huh < 1370980683 837039 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1370980709 446789 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, axiom is suppose dto be good i think? < 1370980742 956470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's strongly typed or whatever "good for haskell" < 1370980873 87111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, axiom < 1370980876 396826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read some of its manual < 1370980889 818506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they started it in like the 70s and it's entirely written with knuth-style literate programming < 1370980901 840649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like it exists outside of time < 1370980904 717084 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what are your options here < 1370980913 639247 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :knuth weirdness or well have you seen maxima's source < 1370980923 471227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't < 1370980928 487094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i am speaking positively of axiom here < 1370980941 855424 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1370980944 201540 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell with you < 1370981281 739564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octave is like the hippie MATLAB. < 1370981586 392904 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1370981588 130542 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370981757 405260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sqrt < 1370981757 966142 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a < 1370981759 756936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Floating < 1370981759 874908 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Fractional a) => Floating a where < 1370981759 946807 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : pi :: a < 1370981760 19688 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : exp, log, sqrt, sin, cos, tan :: a -> a < 1370981760 19853 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : asin, acos, atan, sinh, cosh, tanh, asinh, acosh, atanh :: a -> a < 1370981760 19971 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (**), logBase :: a -> a -> a < 1370981767 482549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Num < 1370981767 582715 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Eq a, Show a) => Num a where < 1370981767 654929 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (+), (-), (*) :: a -> a -> a < 1370981767 655106 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : negate, abs, signum :: a -> a < 1370981768 49926 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromInteger :: Integer -> a < 1370981851 485324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Fractional < 1370981851 708473 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Num a) => Fractional a where < 1370981851 780940 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (/) :: a -> a -> a < 1370981851 781130 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : recip :: a -> a < 1370981851 781238 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromRational :: Rational -> a < 1370982000 825550 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1370982017 291502 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Applicative < 1370982017 564583 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Functor f => Applicative f where < 1370982017 636118 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : pure :: a -> f a < 1370982017 636323 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (<*>) :: f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1370982032 596616 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a proper @src? < 1370982043 384158 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src F.Foldable < 1370982043 619319 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Are you on drugs? < 1370982047 845125 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Foldable < 1370982047 948096 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. < 1370982055 104632 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality < 1370982063 694117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> F.foldMap (:[]) "hello" < 1370982064 957636 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello" < 1370982242 746523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1370982259 822542 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::_ < 1370982291 420363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enhancements have to wait for me to implement this hack for Bike < 1370982302 252060 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am ecstatic < 1370982672 23073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370982885 577027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370982989 872968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeg er ikke til stede for tiden. vennligst legg igjen beskjed etter pipetonen. < 1370983415 362257 :redrebelion!~vitaelect@cpe-66-8-204-74.hawaii.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370983462 477566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1370983627 307208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ribbit < 1370983715 971872 :redrebelion!~vitaelect@cpe-66-8-204-74.hawaii.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370985147 991204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370985323 515020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://toys.usvsth3m.com/edballs/ < 1370985390 396545 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1370985391 699488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that sound used in some windows 98 game < 1370985435 620411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i got 0.317 < 1370985438 959531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: itw as one of the startup ones i think < 1370985447 102981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think so yes < 1370985751 415076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:44:31: I don't think anyone wants a deadfish impl. in a proprietary language <-- make it a top secret language and we're talking < 1370985796 39008 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my rank was Ed Balls so i think that's a success < 1370985833 969747 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.422 :( < 1370985851 596621 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol at that haskell thing btw < 1370985894 750771 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how < 1370985902 333614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : U+2F31D COMBINING BRITISH ACCENT <-- fascinating old chap < 1370985910 238126 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's a freak man < 1370985945 689436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎝oerjan < 1370985961 425840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: type fast < 1370985963 570377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can omit the caps < 1370985967 28976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ my cheat < 1370985974 490481 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott pro ballsing < 1370985990 104093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can press and then ^V < 1370985996 324092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝ my cheat < 1370986002 352005 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.397 now < 1370986005 142175 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cheat is < 1370986007 185829 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 0.438 ... < 1370986008 535199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/and/e and/ < 1370986008 969136 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's ed balls? < 1370986012 987111 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit e + d + space all together < 1370986013 954553 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an MP < 1370986016 360326 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it works < 1370986018 145184 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he tweeted "Ed Balls" once < 1370986027 895289 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then type "balls" really quickly < 1370986029 25161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this became a joke in traditional internet fashion < 1370986045 497089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a very good joke < 1370986047 737453 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, that name < 1370986050 497994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in traditional internet fashion < 1370986055 416380 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of the founder of Dick's Sporting Goods < 1370986057 931558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dick Stack" < 1370986062 851407 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1370986097 840628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of the person who runs lambdabot < 1370986108 899614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok no that's mean i'll stop < 1370986109 709028 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Dickface < 1370986111 320429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which haskell thing Bike < 1370986118 932912 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nodejs thing < 1370986121 666434 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, he was Minister for Education under Gordon Brown's government and is now I think Shadow Chancellor, a position a lot less awesome or evil than it sounds < 1370986124 560625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ed Balls isn't just an MP, he's the /SHADOW CHANCELLOR/ < 1370986130 566385 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dang < 1370986137 908914 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shadow Chancellor sounds like a position in some dark cult XD < 1370986140 24625 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry for disrespecting the balls, ed balls < 1370986141 963915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1370986148 126137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... the shadow chancellor wishes to speak with you, my liege. < 1370986151 457277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shadow chancellor isthe opposition party's chancellor right < 1370986157 794552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much cooler title than the actual position deserves < 1370986158 380330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1370986165 55534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :his job is to complain about whatever the real chancellor is doing < 1370986179 197012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chancellor being the person in charge of money < 1370986206 935547 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of < 1370986208 740147 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bqhatevwr < 1370986211 334675 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shadow chancellor" sounds like a position sauron would hold < 1370986241 555281 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it like, the position he /did/ hold < 1370986255 375631 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Koen_ a while ago i was wondering where are the glottal stops in the pronunciation of "d'A Z" < 1370986263 927886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that saruman guess what books i haven't read < 1370986273 931897 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :de A à Z < 1370986287 932897 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say before every syllable nooodl < 1370986300 101550 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :de 'A 'à Z < 1370986330 987174 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess no one would notice if you didn't stop before the first A < 1370986332 518402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :'de 'A 'à 'Z < 1370986341 483702 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'deA 'à 'Z < 1370986360 960912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :deäáz < 1370986370 546310 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deäáz of our lives < 1370986371 275070 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a little bit weird < 1370986390 574746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deäàz < 1370986504 600648 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm starting to think you're breton olsner < 1370986516 219869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I'm considering calling my OS thingy ꙮS < 1370986539 807753 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But then you'll have to add UTF-8 support < 1370986553 136672 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me the little square I can't read isn't the super-seven-eye symbol < 1370986553 783997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I just have to invent an encoding of my own < 1370986561 702554 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just Unicode support < 1370986567 104982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: it is < 1370986591 329910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most rare and exotic glyph variant of Cyrillic letter O < 1370986602 154918 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the MOST RARE < 1370986607 532758 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I don't need to have any kind of support to know the name of your os < 1370986617 841362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: itym Cyrillic letter О < 1370986621 285542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1370986642 669976 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "kmc encoding": just assume all the squares are eyes, staring < 1370986652 501151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I sort of want a citation for that, detailing the rarity and exoticism of cyrillic glyph variants < 1370986656 822844 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That’s redundant. < 1370986659 157222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: me too < 1370986664 189261 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how would you like your Cyrillic O?" "very rare, please" < 1370986671 858148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could look through all of http://old.stsl.ru/manuscripts/ < 1370986672 206102 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Also, that’s what kmc said, isn’t it? < 1370986672 278458 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1370986678 80440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1370986682 507298 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose at some point you'd run into the glagolithic transition < 1370986682 986327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Cyrillic letter O" < 1370986684 9917 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Cyrillic letter O" < 1370986688 320878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Cyrillic letter О" < 1370986689 481650 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Cyrillic letter \1054" < 1370986694 185341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should call your OS ˿ѿď瑿컿 < 1370986698 284914 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1370986700 517053 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's jus tme < 1370986709 466369 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry. I failed at copying from kmc’s line and still had your О in the clipboard. < 1370986718 345766 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the name of the unicode character "Cyrillic letter O" or ""Cyrillic letter О" < 1370986723 432598 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is seriously going to bother me < 1370986725 410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former < 1370986729 414361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode character names are ASCII < 1370986736 652438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{bootstrapping} < 1370986740 438950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1370986747 387646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the proposal that they should be allowed to use any character that comes before that character < 1370986748 245019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to think of them as "restricted Unicode". < 1370986751 404129 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s \rainbow{}? < 1370986757 339854 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe ၔၕၦၧգལā < 1370986759 384225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's a convention from another channel < 1370986760 707571 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're kmc < 1370986770 304739 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc.tex < 1370986772 52008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is an irssi plugin that actually produces rainbows < 1370986776 195038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people got annoyed at them < 1370986777 68441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That proposal is problematic because it gives a preference to lower codepoints. < 1370986779 217061 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1370986788 681494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what's that, most of the letters are missing in my fonts :/ < 1370986790 807672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :13I 4do8n'9t 11kn12ow 13a4bo8ut 9a 11p12lu13gi4n, 8b9ut 11I 12h13av4e 8a 9to11il12et 13a4li8as 9f11or 12i13t < 1370986799 200705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should be allowed to use any character that cames after that character. < 1370986801 561797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :toilet alias < 1370986805 496358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just random shit < 1370986810 485833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1370986826 733697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow I herd there's also a bot < 1370986827 92092 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02I03 04h05e06r07d08 09t02h03e04r05e06'07s08 09a02l03s04o05 06a07 08b09o02t < 1370986837 770884 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/toilet < 1370986857 210753 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :toilet is a figlet replacement < 1370986862 386069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow boostrapping < 1370986862 506196 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02b03o04o05s06t07r08a09p02p03i04n05g < 1370986883 698318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should be able to use any character that doesn't produce loops in the dependency graph, the ordering of characters should not be relevant to their description < 1370986888 62378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rainbow bootstrapping" is a fancy name for rain. < 1370986915 768965 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :13I 4t8hi9nk 11m12y 13ra4in8bo9w 11lo12ok13s 4be8tt9er 11t12ha13n 4yo8ur9s < 1370986923 661130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, does unicode describe "characters" or some other term?) < 1370986952 481292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ^rainbow rainbow isn't designed, though, it's just consecutive colors for ease of implementation. < 1370986967 88469 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: imo allow fixpoints!!! < 1370986998 479073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Code points are what many of the lists are made of, at least. < 1370987005 794667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, that was my original thought actually, anything that brings the unicode standard to a fix point should be ok < 1370987026 921432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can download the Unicode Character Database so I guess they are 'characters' < 1370987038 664986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Character" in Unicode means: "(1) The smallest component of written language that has semantic value; refers to the abstract meaning and/or shape, rather than a specific shape (see also glyph), though in code tables some form of visual representation is essential for the reader’s understanding. (2) Synonym for abstract character. (3) The basic unit of encoding for the Unicode character ... < 1370987044 671199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... encoding. (4) The English name for the ideographic written elements of Chinese origin. [See ideograph (2).]" < 1370987057 435810 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh characters have semantics now? < 1370987063 49848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of those 'characters' are not part of written language though < 1370987068 258279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The character database is presumably using sense (3). < 1370987090 470921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice if unicode (or something like "does the unicode character descriptions reach a fixed point") was undecidable < 1370987096 974057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they can be assigned semantics... e.g. mathematical bold and italic are different characters because maths papers define them to mean different things, because fuck maths < 1370987111 910766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference from code point seems to be that all numbers from 0 to 0x10ffff are code points, but not of them are assigned to characters. < 1370987154 694874 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but in natural language they barely even define phonemics, i mean < 1370987174 1204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are the values corresponding to UTF-16 surrogate pair code units considered to be code points in Unicode? < 1370987190 928920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1370987198 396753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Apparently. ("Code Point. (1) Any value in the Unicode codespace; that is, the range of integers from 0 to 10FFFF16. (See definition D10 in Section 3.4, Characters and Encoding.)") < 1370987215 794708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That 16 is a subscript.) < 1370987258 257380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also seven fundamental classes of code points -- Graphic, Format, Control, Private-Use, Surrogate, Noncharacter, Reserved. < 1370987361 764757 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x10FFFF16 < 1370987362 982460 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 285212438 < 1370987387 243007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x1000000000000000000000 < 1370987388 198435 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19342813113834066795298816 < 1370987408 448935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Map k a -> k -> Bool < 1370987409 884115 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map.Lazy member :: Ord k => k -> Map k a -> Bool < 1370987410 25635 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map.Strict member :: Ord k => k -> Map k a -> Bool < 1370987410 97102 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map.Lazy notMember :: Ord k => k -> Map k a -> Bool < 1370987428 652719 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's notMember for exactly < 1370987438 863628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking if a key isn't a member hth < 1370987462 426039 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1370987473 968858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can write «x `notMember` y» instead of «not (x `member` y)» and it's a little bit nicer I guess < 1370987495 493393 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map kak bool < 1370987504 564651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better yet «map (`notMember` y)» vs «map (not . (`member` y))» < 1370987519 507315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: always so hthelpful < 1370987592 528075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (k -> k') -> Map k a -> Map k' a < 1370987592 782638 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map.Lazy mapKeysMonotonic :: (k1 -> k2) -> Map k1 a -> Map k2 a < 1370987592 854549 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map.Strict mapKeysMonotonic :: (k1 -> k2) -> Map k1 a -> Map k2 a < 1370987592 854711 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map.Lazy mapKeys :: Ord k2 => (k1 -> k2) -> Map k1 a -> Map k2 a < 1370987610 73479 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370987683 907717 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle olsner < 1370987684 127098 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1370987689 474932 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle elliott < 1370987689 691315 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1370987691 608921 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :): < 1370987718 349354 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370987970 245718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'm not a function, hth < 1370988059 707321 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370988070 871423 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1370988074 470921 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370988074 577045 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1370988074 649009 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1370988076 142723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You should be < 1370988089 876125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1370988094 858383 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1370988595 163558 :parapooper!~sc@dslb-084-059-041-211.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370988676 690505 :parapooper!~sc@dslb-084-059-041-211.pools.arcor-ip.net PART :#esoteric < 1370988690 447469 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1370988955 129021 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370989584 140295 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.184 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370989823 226717 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-183-67.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370989868 102070 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370990031 229067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370990237 244671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Reboot again?! < 1370990727 417506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370990972 720988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: once upon a time i installed a shareware program whose purpose was to reverse strings < 1370990981 839914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was reasonably popular < 1370990991 603683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1370990996 432004 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1370991010 315407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good old days of rtl text < 1370991041 840829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The program would reverse text as you copy it into the clipboard or something like that.) < 1370991072 207615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fahcahs < 1370991092 864858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds extremely useful if you copy links < 1370991109 766799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: more like ףחש < 1370991125 814622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which shows up correctly for me because my terminal doesn't handle RTL text.) < 1370991141 496669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that fchsh or shchf? < 1370991253 930077 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people of israel have decided: vowels are for fucking wusses < 1370991302 951442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like many non-english languages they have learned to encode information in diacritics < 1370991311 395821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowels are optional < 1370991324 968582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :שַׁחַף hth < 1370991391 847577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That ׁ indicates that the ש is a sh and not a s. hth) < 1370991402 545452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which direction a) that was rendered, b) should've been rendered, or c) should be read < 1370991430 203481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there supposed to be circles with the vowel signs or is my terminal broken for them < 1370991430 720210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sh appaeared at the end of the line, so I'm guessing backwards < 1370991470 509323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The three letters are: < 1370991471 434822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost certainly broken since the circles make the consonants even harder to see < 1370991474 263454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ש < 1370991474 935883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ח < 1370991475 752299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ף < 1370991477 235897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1370991484 339093 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice capture, oerjan < 1370991485 288099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should be written from right to left. < 1370991490 461704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1370991494 95478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap oerjan < 1370991494 244826 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION orders her trained monkeys to punch oerjan < 1370991513 573820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got me some hebrew letters! < 1370991532 275477 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that from right to wrong or from wrong to right? < 1370991545 846299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :From least to best. < 1370991559 476475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're talking about coasts of the US now.) < 1370991566 426420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :from worst to most? < 1370991596 187477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wise man once said the west is the best < 1370991729 54910 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370991823 643836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how wise of him < 1370991853 2677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where is the west and the best? are they in fact the same? < 1370991853 499099 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins! the structural damage is severe. the tale? < 1370992177 369948 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370992796 785607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370992807 49154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370993268 917903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm moving the new laptop to the left end of the table made eating pizza too complicated < 1370993343 398016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan world problems < 1370993366 584515 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all have pizza problems, man. we all do < 1370993515 910344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i use my right hand on the touchpad, i have to eat pizza with the left, but now there was nowhere to put it. (yes, i already have moved the laptop out of the way) < 1370993712 710620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the reason i moved the laptop to the left is because the cord is shorter than the old one, and plugs in on the left, so it's uncomfortable to have it where the old one was when plugged in. < 1370993763 937124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oerjan world problems (including the irony) seems to be me in a nutshell. < 1370993788 755721 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily create something like monad syntax in Rebol... but I think it would be inefficient < 1370993806 328719 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monad syntax"? < 1370993816 638084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A do notation equivalent < 1370993835 536615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : rules of programming 1) write in Haskell 2) write beautiful code, without regard to efficiency 3) optomize ONLY as needed < 1370993838 520283 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1370993859 807930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The design I'm thinking of would put the do notation processing inside the function passed to bind... < 1370993866 57424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each time bind is used < 1370993951 346530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't do that then hth < 1370994101 419716 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the easiest thing to di < 1370994102 153434 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1370994118 753931 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("hth "++) < 1370994119 482394 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994121 418718 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not sure how else to do it, without making the syntax more unreboly than it currently is < 1370994157 239547 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: now i'm reading it as "hadith" < 1370994157 381559 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unreboly? < 1370994186 80507 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :runreholy < 1370994253 113883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "hth " < 1370994254 68866 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994303 80282 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadi to help < 1370994316 28609 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that hardly seems very functional! < 1370994341 408408 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concatMap (const "hth ") [1..] < 1370994342 199322 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994360 369421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but it's very cyclic! < 1370994379 40699 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] >>= const "hth " < 1370994379 843076 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994393 147861 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could stand to learn a thing or two from freefull here. < 1370994411 313658 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly annoying to specify which locals you want to use at the beginning of the function. I mean, you don't _have_ to, but I gather it's the most convenient thing to do < 1370994419 476989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even constant memory! < 1370994428 810857 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const "hth " <$> [1..] < 1370994429 942655 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["hth ","hth ","hth ","hth ","hth ","hth ","hth ","hth ","hth ","hth ","hth... < 1370994435 975038 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops, that one's wrong < 1370994451 177150 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const "hth " <$> [1..] >>= id < 1370994451 942514 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994463 952034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..]>>"hth " < 1370994464 994003 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994475 707405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Psh, too simple < 1370994481 419374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will anyone know what that code does < 1370994490 174182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] *> "hth " < 1370994491 306698 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994496 4588 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do it without the explicit space? that is with "hth" instead of "hth " < 1370994527 159123 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1370994544 676263 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ fix ("hth":) < 1370994545 623655 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth ht... < 1370994546 896805 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*>) < 1370994547 691381 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f a -> f b -> f b < 1370994550 48031 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1370994641 797712 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1370994705 456767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: How's that? < 1370994716 164785 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup it's good < 1370994801 808970 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix \x -> 2 + sqrt x < 1370994802 637386 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: parse error on input `\' < 1370994810 633304 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> 2 + sqrt x) < 1370994814 250891 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1370994821 727979 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't win ;_; < 1370994854 379956 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: try iterate < 1370994867 879262 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-247-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not the same man < 1370994976 346950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe you can implement iterate in terms of fix < 1370995012 632952 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this works I will gibber insanely < 1370995023 32656 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it doesn't work I will also gibber insanely) < 1370995043 152677 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1370995082 984479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're used to it < 1370995155 686347 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let iterate' f a = fix (\x -> f a : map f x) in iterate' (+3) 0 < 1370995156 475813 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45,48,51,54,57,60,63,66,69,72,75,78... < 1370995165 216739 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not quite the same < 1370995183 71982 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let iterate' f a = fix (\x -> a : map f x) in iterate' (+3) 0 < 1370995183 824900 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45,48,51,54,57,60,63,66,69,72,75,... < 1370995185 474782 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1370995190 113094 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ma: do/next next assigns 'next-assigns < 1370995199 816891 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not really the most readable code I have ever written