< 1370304432 681755 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370304569 545479 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AVSq6lYUnYA/UXZVJS-qMnI/AAAAAAAABQY/a7ujINuJQpI/w506-h930-o/z_15ce2d9d.jpg < 1370304705 653220 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370304725 783356 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1370304729 238311 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good way to detect memory aliasing in software? < 1370304888 747275 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1370304974 110357 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algo I have atm is: < 1370305048 373527 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- in the loop, if there are any read operations that can't be reordered to after generating all the memory write addresses, they have to be locked. This is done with a Memory_read + lock operation < 1370305208 941183 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.5 PART :#esoteric < 1370305408 555882 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- All the memory writes that can potentially alias with reads should be locked first, using a lock operation < 1370305450 587688 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Once all write addresses are locked, all the other memory reads can be done, using a memory_read + check operation < 1370305531 556907 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Also any locked read addresses from the first step can be unlocked, using an unlock operation < 1370305592 22682 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-85-151.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370305607 93422 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Once all potential jumps are passed and it's sure the code isn't running speculatively, the real writes can be done, using a write + unlock operation < 1370305679 891066 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "works" and also supports read-modify (using a memory_read + lock instead of just a lock operation at step 2) but it's kinda convoluted < 1370305684 618644 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-211.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370305704 626240 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses like 5 different operations where a normal memory system would only have 2 o_O < 1370305706 888285 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/mar/12/weekend.jonronson i hope you're all reading these < 1370305713 279444 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am not going to stop linking them < 1370305810 133217 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if a memory alias is detected it has to jump from some random location to a proper handler, invalidate all the cores that were speculatively doing wrong stuff, and also unlock the addresses that were locked but won't be unlocked now that the control flow won't go there o_O < 1370305915 637797 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-228-54.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370306078 588257 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-211.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370306222 617087 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370306269 612606 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370306277 758044 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.25 PART :#esoteric < 1370306308 468705 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-228-54.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370306414 571283 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370306519 489495 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370306565 250700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370306851 216949 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1370306875 885778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he could give REBOL similar scoping as Kernel
< 1370306901 920584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel operatives receive a lexical environment as an object, right? And eval takes one? < 1370306911 228648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I misremembering < 1370306918 159133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370306934 412519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes they do, no you're not misremembering) < 1370306946 538041 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370306948 558975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf and i are at world hq of http://www.em-labs.com/ < 1370306951 71377 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`e < 1370306952 718795 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal < 1370306972 445330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, would be easy to make a variant of do that takes a word and forces that word's lexical environment on every word in the argument block < 1370306989 535054 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ooh, that looks fun < 1370307003 919364 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.14 PART :#esoteric < 1370307022 297010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know the founders from school < 1370307064 617654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harder would be to make functions that take a block also take an environment... I mean, they could just peak at the first word in the block and assume that that's its environment < 1370307098 33881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it occurs that i don't actually know anything about REBOL < 1370307118 474201 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, that's why kernel environment parameters are all separated out. < 1370307119 993586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i fix that < 1370307120 762429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better idea: Give participating functions an /env refinement and have my doenv scan for words that have it < 1370307127 751969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes >.> < 1370307158 249775 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, Rebol makes things tricky here by making it hard to determine where a functions arguments end < 1370307218 739055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a bit of currying... < 1370307358 665000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/mar/19/weekend.jonronson stop learning rebol Sgeo < 1370307405 887487 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1370307436 829011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the link and that statement related? < 1370307441 945043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you know anything about rebol? < 1370307466 161491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370307484 528642 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link and the statement are related. < 1370307489 777873 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very cogent argument. < 1370308617 939135 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1370309167 772756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/jul/02/weekend.jonronson oh god this one < 1370309550 240087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2005/jul/16/creditcards.debt is also good but not particularly funny < 1370309841 431285 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370309855 891981 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.38 PART :#esoteric < 1370311353 607431 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1370311435 362022 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1370311530 156718 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1370311554 2085 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1370311842 591499 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1370311906 364705 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/-KXgHqp2juQ < 1370311936 287319 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worldtv.com/tvp_global/ < 1370311973 776650 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well shit, when you put it that way. < 1370312030 472864 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wish Mr. Fresco would take a neutral position on who did 9/11. It's a touchy and divisive subject and there isn't likely to be consensus any time soon." < 1370312130 598369 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370312163 276212 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :laws of nature are inviolable? < 1370312199 419019 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike i believe that usa made 911 < 1370312210 469618 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome keyzs < 1370312212 895247 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyzs: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1370312215 150963 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1370312288 118681 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Who do you think made 911? < 1370312501 327407 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike the us puts people on poverty with the federal reserve bank ruled by 5 or 6 magnats of money, so why wouldn´t them cause a disaster to have a war and make devastation and profit over it? < 1370312534 580664 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The banks really have got a lot of money out of the war on terror, haven't they. < 1370312540 324507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flame war in the Rebol room about q < 1370312557 469356 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you'd take a neutral position on q, Sgeo. < 1370312610 189525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guy is angry that q causes the interpreter to quit, and is worried about people accidentally quitting and then not realizing why they quit < 1370312822 966397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Who made 9/11? Well, it wasn't made by just one guy. The USA did part of it, but not all of it. < 1370312839 640686 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike wars are about resources, there were resources themes behind story of 9/11, starts on politics and oil, what do you think was laden business? < 1370312857 486837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the side of the angry guy < 1370312888 658498 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was born in the bin Laden family to billionaire Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden in Saudi Arabia. < 1370312891 453225 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370312913 95292 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :now figure it out :) < 1370312953 452836 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin Laden did 9/11? That sounds like a controversial idea. < 1370312987 64522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was partially the fault of the government of the United States, although it is also bin Laden's fault, and possibly a few others. < 1370313114 211367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370313151 576671 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370313175 509724 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike usa did 9/11 < 1370313222 988734 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370313256 342529 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How cruel. < 1370313258 921892 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-99.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1370313264 677966 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1370313270 306139 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of SKI calculus? < 1370313402 933922 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the us government faked 9/11, but then bin laden swooped in and took the credit < 1370313418 708472 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were just going to be like "yeah those towers tragically exploded" < 1370313424 552212 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make an esolang called Northwoods. < 1370313439 404505 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :can have multiple applications < 1370313661 943199 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, i believe that it was more like a tragic happening partership, because some documentaries that i seen say that structure of the building was designed to resist plains hitting it, and the metal structure had chemicals to do erosion on airplain hits < 1370313748 245331 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :us has business oil deals with multiple countries and arabs, most of them are coneceted to religion and arm businesses, so they are no flowers, play with the devil and then get it good < 1370313870 880199 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conected < 1370313891 696991 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realise now that steering to the absurd was a bad idea for this conversation < 1370313937 688924 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :saddam hussein was absurd too < 1370313940 444574 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, back in 1994 some people tried to crash a plane into the Eiffel Tower. I didn't know that. < 1370313943 574639 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :vietnam < 1370313947 632982 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :japs < 1370313951 150671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :East Timor. < 1370313957 135317 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bangladesh. < 1370313958 96423 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :afeganistan < 1370313959 929109 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadians. < 1370313961 435372 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1370313988 999832 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in name of resources, profit, lands and oil < 1370314135 264977 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :we went to vietnam to export some of our freedom to the poor, backwards communists < 1370314138 784057 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370314142 637765 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to check your facts sir < 1370314148 116868 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ma'am < 1370314155 705312 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or nonbinary existence. < 1370314186 230963 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or that < 1370314268 785650 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't scare me like that! < 1370314609 369033 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :sacje http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War < 1370314624 575602 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370314629 878284 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :war is war < 1370314670 108199 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that pic on wikipedia with the soldiers down? < 1370314675 900976 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia is a known to be a hotbed for communist sympathizers < 1370314731 68234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are these people? < 1370314731 159131 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can search on any search engine < 1370314784 787125 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :search engines are working for the chinese < 1370314810 546005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what's going on here? < 1370314819 366114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of channel invasion? < 1370314837 544626 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1370314846 512576 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? I don't know what keyzs thinks of esolangs. < 1370314868 654800 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i'm just messing around < 1370314878 20617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyzs: sacje: do you understand what this channel is for, or do you just turn up to random channels as part of some sort of performance art thing? < 1370314914 385680 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what it's for, i like esolangs and didn't know there was an irc channel for it < 1370314935 840296 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was kidding because i saw other people were talking about politics and figure it could use a dose of crazy < 1370314943 883800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's mostly keyzs fault < 1370314950 429931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned up recently, and hasn't said anything ontopic yet < 1370315126 363308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much other people < 1370315130 66117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as some sort of possible troll < 1370315136 943839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, though, this is a hard channel to troll effectively < 1370315150 650677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not impossible, but it isn't accomplished very often < 1370315227 103486 :keyzs!~wiz@a89-153-76-6.cpe.netcabo.pt PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1370315245 123659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I suspect keyzs is organised enough to actually check the list of ops before starting to troll < 1370315258 955285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I didn't unstealth < 1370315273 435268 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe they just wanted to stay until somebody mentioned that they were just spewing. < 1370315308 488159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1370315316 94303 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, thank you, O op. < 1370315368 177615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was considering a ban < 1370315374 377248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a kick < 1370315380 49157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you test the waters first to see if people are reasonable or not < 1370315390 712863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when a troll came in here a while ago < 1370315395 254756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we kicked them about 10 times < 1370315399 468611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't bother banning, it was too funny < 1370316926 538661 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@d154-5-190-48.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370317545 5938 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@213.143.61.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370317686 400458 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@213.143.61.247 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370318219 345301 :yonkie!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370318251 19004 :yonkie!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370318386 612483 :yonkie_!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370318550 247264 :yonkie!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370318970 148585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way in MediaWiki to make a template to override another template inside a template which it calls? < 1370319411 421211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it difficult? < 1370320959 485931 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1370320978 24164 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370321449 372563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370321865 521943 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are those crypto challenges that like kmc and shachaf were talking about probably. And related ctfs and stuff. < 1370321872 904467 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any like, open-ended challenges? < 1370321883 220281 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's an intercepted transmission from [fictional war], figure it out" or something < 1370322206 764251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you a numbers station < 1370322217 684406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0096 2251 2110 8105 0096 2251 2110 8105 0096 2251 2110 8105 0096 2251 2110 8105 0096 2251 2110 8105 < 1370322288 936558 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Conet is why I'm asking. < 1370322293 588337 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irdial.com/crackhome.htm < 1370322318 952342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those are mostly one-time pads < 1370322342 709565 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but they put them up anyway. < 1370322352 367493 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they just want to see amateur cryptanalysts lose their minds. < 1370322423 303496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that scullpture at the NSA < 1370322429 980054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptos < 1370322451 892406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :skullpture < 1370322513 910415 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the NSA is big on cryptanalysts losing their minds, so < 1370322530 907895 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, for a second I thought "encrypted sculpture" was going to be an article :( < 1370322657 561929 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370322666 749915 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are shorter than I expected. Lincolnshire Poacher is apparently just 39715 over and over again. < 1370322762 228616 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370322818 312169 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it changed. 32348. 59378. makes me wonder if they switched to something steganographic and the numbers are just a ploy, though. < 1370324803 591415 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370325827 427099 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1370325857 832894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370325875 764203 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1370325875 873119 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370325890 311298 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370326169 449184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :play numbers stations loudly outdoors at 2AM < 1370326281 732372 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers stations set to led zeppelin < 1370326324 490315 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is numbers < 1370326406 8322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange! that's right! < 1370326416 250207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OORRAANNGGEE < 1370326440 915153 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boards of lincolnhire < 1370326545 751522 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370327626 426878 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1370327740 481645 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1370327921 609212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1370328405 183972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1370328484 70462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloogan < 1370328484 587491 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370328699 275965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 𝕳𝖆𝖑𝖋 𝖆 𝖈𝖍𝖊𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖙𝖒𝖚𝖝! < 1370328725 121630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of � :/ < 1370328730 375994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you are showing off your new tmux? < 1370328749 363532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/s < 1370328822 737108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1370328836 618819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks v. nice in my browser < 1370328849 145016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1370328874 7175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1370330477 133790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if birds ever eat something so heavy that they can't fly anymore < 1370330617 781442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf and i saw a bird that was maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Scrub_Jay < 1370331256 255348 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370331302 985543 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1370332020 566356 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370332058 381535 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370332594 394840 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370332787 499941 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1370332800 254233 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370333340 403304 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1370333391 979390 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370333441 110356 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370334302 349920 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370335281 752160 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370335434 950262 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370336046 308075 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370336262 336433 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370336345 930834 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370336754 724804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1370336837 683741 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370342370 268318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370343308 349770 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370343408 410716 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370343438 419867 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370344179 618218 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1370345360 475489 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1370345844 348269 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370346248 112929 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1370346293 438932 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1370346293 510330 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370346295 414774 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370346507 970034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1370346514 504707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1370346902 611013 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370346930 333911 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1370346975 504343 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1370346975 576353 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370349141 800177 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370350501 692875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can i get you to ban ~elieser22@190.121.238.14 < 1370350508 372473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they keep joining and then parting seconds later and never saying anything!! < 1370350523 110047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: recently, or a long time ago? < 1370350576 289877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it three times in my scrollback, once they stayed here for several minutes < 1370350581 780176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd say there isn't enough evidence yet < 1370350631 932548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it could be someone with a broken client, but I think it's more likely someone checking the channel manually to see if there's an active conversation < 1370350636 776772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not a ban-worthy offence < 1370350691 964144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: grep elieser224 *.log --> http://sprunge.us/VJBb < 1370350715 874754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`e < 1370350720 681720 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal < 1370350724 320567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they've been checking the channel then they've been ignoring that ^ several times < 1370350734 570325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it misses a letter of their nick < 1370350740 826116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they're checking manually, that shouldn't be relevant < 1370350766 557321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set up a ban that redirects them to ##fixyourconnection, that's what is done in #haskell for client/connection problems like that < 1370350790 797762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the pattern seems to have changed in the last several hours < 1370350802 362795 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370350817 423478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think we'll see if it starts up again before a fix-your-connection ban (which is the only sort of ban I was considering) < 1370350858 229756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't redirect there, it doesn't have an allow-arbitrary-redirects mode set < 1370350870 775257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it does, is that mode +F? < 1370350897 904739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could consider bit a ban for flooding < 1370350899 290650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1370350920 711425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if someone joined just to say "a" every hour for a six-hour period every day, they should be banned < 1370350967 478996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1370350975 607910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the temporary join and then part a bit later is harder to explain < 1370350993 302290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's arguably twice as noisy as "a" :) < 1370351004 201888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably equally in practice, since joins/parts are "quieter" than messages < 1370351242 660723 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370351296 703054 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370351308 455448 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370352049 798690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they have #esoteric on autojoin for some reason and are manually parting it every time they join? < 1370352089 805686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sounds like they'd be pleased to have their client be made unable to join #esoteric then < 1370352130 862962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370352136 895575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo elieser224: ¿por qué con frecuencia altas y bajas?' >bin/e < 1370352141 270214 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1370352142 491425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try that < 1370352143 199610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`e < 1370352144 755619 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elieser224: ¿por qué con frecuencia altas y bajas? < 1370352151 196838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps does anyone speak spanish < 1370352163 315343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"often why high and low?" uh < 1370352620 796246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is spanish just a guess, or is it related to the IP somehow? < 1370352764 991919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as seen in my log link, the only thing they've ever said in #esoteric is "hola" < 1370352774 270762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I googled their nick and they've been in some other channel on freenode in spanish < 1370352774 880042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1370352795 477387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect google translate has not adequately conveyed my message < 1370352910 500430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened with that crazy spanish guy < 1370352917 144680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who kept insulting me in spanish < 1370352951 60262 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that was one of my alter egos < 1370352958 927318 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wasn't one of my alter egos actually) < 1370353132 212364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that! you are, after all, one of my alter egos < 1370353176 439553 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was the other way round < 1370353672 349654 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370353864 569921 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370353912 108770 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370354090 834622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370354301 742051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal <-- your speling is pathetic hth < 1370354632 412181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wonders if there are many things in programming named after spices, like currying
< 1370354640 992739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...salting, obviously < 1370354651 494750 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sugaring? < 1370354661 616473 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntactic sugar < 1370354672 80528 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually currying comes from a guy's name < 1370354675 953624 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but the name probably comes from food < 1370354698 851778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH I'D NEVER HAVE GUESSED < 1370354710 710281 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name has nothing to do with the food, actually < 1370354716 22544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is starvation < 1370354720 184048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure curry's name ... what Taneb said < 1370354728 709568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it irish or something < 1370354732 476524 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1370354760 67021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the flipside, haskell is hebrew. or maybe that's also irish by some remarkable coincidence. < 1370354785 872139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brooks sounds disturbingly english. maybe it's really persian or something. < 1370354822 161722 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn HTML Canvas. < 1370354837 219221 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep running an example and thinking, "ooh, isn't this pretty? wow" < 1370354842 233201 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then getting distracted < 1370354877 793319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brooks is a functional logic programming language which inherits from the languages Curry and BABEL but allows the integration of different narrowing strategies." < 1370354890 698018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost in the canvas < 1370354920 265880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has new laptop!
< 1370354925 824555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to unpack it < 1370354947 41025 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1370355005 741935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll be able to compile lens without thrashing on the first attempt, now < 1370355055 44526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not enough to compile ghc though; i don't want to ruin my dad either < 1370355340 350126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old man is rather kind, really < 1370356853 469667 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370357408 161042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1370357666 558935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1370357724 426169 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370358976 733218 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370359235 697547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1370359238 517731 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370359655 260512 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370359809 794597 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370360198 83988 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370360409 911189 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370360802 536002 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370361009 85096 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370361129 746676 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1370361444 131842 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370361610 560837 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370361975 93045 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370362054 235156 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370362235 479285 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370362269 362965 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1370362648 83118 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1370362780 997646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22751415 finland < 1370362810 524296 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370363266 611328 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1370363413 696202 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370363845 861493 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370364015 107261 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370364137 51632 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370364162 397993 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello < 1370364171 579100 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1370364193 949024 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370364206 383918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1370364221 885893 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hello DHeadshot < 1370364250 278808 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hello kmc but nostly headshot because he sent me here < 1370364362 138244 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drlemon, well, you did say you Loved esolangs... < 1370364402 282128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE drlemon < 1370364405 642699 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :DrLeMoN: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1370364409 109227 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been here before. Just didn't have much to say considering I'm a total amateur at programming < 1370364442 741943 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been welcomed already last time. < 1370364455 230937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what new laptop did you get < 1370364456 905635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok it was probably a different welcome < 1370364465 89100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: asus something < 1370364490 885755 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, like 10 people welcomed me in different ways < 1370364496 7363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drlemon: ah. < 1370364511 893747 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome drlemon < 1370364514 870391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04drlemon:14 Welcome to 09the internatio06nal hub 05for es12oteric progra03mming lan11guage d13esign and de10p02loyme09nt! For more08 i03nfor14mat09ion, chec14k out o11u09r w06iki: http://14e05solan09gs.org/12wiki/14Ma05in_Page.05 (For the other 12kind of06 esoterica, try #esot07eri07c on irc.dal.net.) < 1370364527 978330 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1370364531 378269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, the save game isn't working OK. < 1370364755 580466 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1370364807 973929 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what are minimal CPU features that allow linux to run < 1370364852 74407 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370364875 423895 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume that you have to design a simple CPU, then make a GCC backend targetting this machine, and then compile and boot linux kernel < 1370364902 688256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i would design a CPU that already fits the MIPS ISA :) < 1370364921 998444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I don't know. < 1370364940 365033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't think there are many must-have features; Linux does run on systems without MMU these days < 1370364951 766840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"although functionality is then obviously somewhat limited" < 1370364956 392031 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: too simple, existing ISAs are banned from this excercise < 1370364968 415896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose using the same instruction set that Linux uses in something it is ported to, or the subset compatible with Linux, would be an easy way to do it without modifying Linux or GCC, although that isn't necessarily a minimal CPU features! < 1370364973 463922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i would make some ISA which differs from MIPS in a boring way < 1370364985 110498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :say by shuffling the bits of the instruction encoding < 1370364987 425153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll call it ips-may < 1370364991 561592 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go with something ARMish < 1370365001 260081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Or omitting the features that GCC/Linux doesn't use? < 1370365007 644576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure < 1370365021 589470 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1370365027 170131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM is a cool arch, but MIPS might be a bit simpler to implement < 1370365037 994038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending also on which versions < 1370365052 152435 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do AVR < 1370365052 407402 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARCs are awesome < 1370365139 947278 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is not minimal < 1370365167 163411 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1370365169 214128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have implemented at gate level 6.004's "Beta" processor, which I guess is supposed to be like the Alpha but 32-bit < 1370365178 364967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very simple RISC < 1370365191 422284 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just wondering if there are some specific features that are strictly required to run GCC output, with linux as a representative example < 1370365193 779639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with very limited interrupt handling, and no MMU < 1370365209 634971 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1370365333 425899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized in this C program, I have both "VERSION" and "version" as two different things. (Since C is case-sensitive, this is OK.) < 1370365410 126279 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370365420 551864 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370365580 945946 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370365613 962402 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should ask on #kernel < 1370365625 957972 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I fear that they will eat me < 1370365674 689739 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo38, It's when you have "Version", "vERSION" and "VeRsIoN" as well that you need to worry... < 1370365687 318689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: Yes, that may be true. < 1370365716 630883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out both version and VERSION are macros in my program; version is (*memory) and VERSION is "0.5". < 1370365753 990690 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370365795 515348 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why is version (*memory) < 1370365805 36309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What type is memory anyway < 1370365805 697825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It is a Z-machine interpreter. < 1370365841 554507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory is an array of unsigned 8-bits. < 1370365864 385745 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint8_t < 1370365867 178421 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1370365869 818891 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zork stuff < 1370365914 32572 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a DOS user, I prefer saw insensitive languages. However, I appear to be a dying breed... < 1370365925 27406 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*case < 1370365934 94499 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not saw < 1370365943 150815 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autocorrect fail < 1370365949 927889 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS autocorrect? < 1370365965 998799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I use DOS as well as other things too. < 1370365997 594924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do program in BASIC as well as in C. < 1370366041 224476 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370366084 746404 :drlemon!~drlemon@99-116-253-96.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370366099 488092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: What programming languages do you use? < 1370366190 830972 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly, pascal, basic, FORTRAN, etc; plus obviously esolangs like whirl and 3code (I know that last one's case sensitive)... < 1370366287 723660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you use pascal < 1370366315 72490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly language of what computers? I have used x86 assembly and 6502 assembly. < 1370366346 551265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done x86 and ARM myself < 1370366347 196690 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 and Z80 < 1370366376 662910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be difficult for me to pick up another one < 1370366393 352832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and also Z-machine assembly. < 1370366411 426084 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a little RISC-style at uni but not for any particular CPU. I'd like to learn ARM though... < 1370366788 836284 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM is for compilers ;p < 1370366812 172394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM isn't that bad to write manually < 1370366901 533108 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1370366935 94318 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM was DESIGNED to write manually - how would you compile for your expansion module with just 32kb of free memory? < 1370366947 696729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no! Two of my "C" position players are injured, and the remaining one is very susceptible to injury. Now, if they get injured too, I will be disqualified. < 1370367013 239559 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo38, I thought you said you were writing IN C, not PLAYING it...? < 1370367059 524529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: Yes, but now I am playing a different game. < 1370367251 756773 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: x86 was designed to write manually at the start and look what happened < 1370367270 352291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1370367314 792808 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It's still fine? < 1370367342 170797 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not the machine-code, but the asm is... < 1370367390 537705 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The machine-code's a mess, but then so are most modern CISCs... < 1370367488 72734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the modern x86 is pretty terrible, and so is the modern ARM, actually. < 1370367505 677575 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370367526 521895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370367555 27519 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the cleanest 64bit risc design? < 1370367564 822140 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips or alpha? < 1370367597 10632 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume MIPS, but I haven't seen Alpha... < 1370367844 711047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370368329 679263 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370368365 279230 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370368770 366282 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370368770 366451 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370368773 141203 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wngpofmpwlxgjtiy QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370368773 141394 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370368773 141477 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370368847 646325 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1370368934 587359 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things still use MIPS, so it might not be as clean as it used to be ... 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:sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370373284 324630 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370373284 324850 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370373550 297408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1370373602 928914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is a mess, but if you are writing assembly yourself, for a typical x86 operating system, you can ignore most of the complexity < 1370373603 266853 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1370373621 466235 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370373627 562710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are writing an OS or reading compiler output, it's a whole different story < 1370373643 137835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol swapgs instruction < 1370373679 712295 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 270 seconds < 1370373699 83727 :Lumpio-!~matti@89.166.34.164 QUIT :Quit: Reboot time < 1370373729 493444 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they should make an x86 Lite < 1370373737 513715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amd64 is that, a little < 1370373778 819060 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x85 < 1370373816 510943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they took out some little-used features and added new, more useful ones < 1370373836 318288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course by 'took out' I only mean in long mode; they still have a full implementation of the 16- and 32-bit x86 instruction sets as well < 1370373837 923063 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370373855 419997 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Client Quit < 1370373925 60641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some of the removed features would still be useful in specific circumstances :/ < 1370374043 135183 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1370374083 355014 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370374087 898440 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1370374087 898596 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370374088 326396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that true of any removed feature < 1370374240 603642 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370374303 166874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to varying extent, yeah < 1370374358 513107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I have in mind specifically is that the vestigial support for segmentation in 64-bit mode is not really good enough to implement the kernel security features that some 32-bit OSes have < 1370374378 17526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not the common 32-bit OSes) < 1370374464 335818 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370374477 469692 :samebcha1e!~samuel@codesurfers.net NICK :samebchase < 1370374605 490427 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370374662 404706 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1370374698 267239 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370374711 328616 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1370374711 328836 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370374720 514032 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1370375009 299393 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370375206 70958 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370375625 540902 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1370375718 377577 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1370375818 161224 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370375898 664354 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1370375906 526451 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1370375906 598727 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370375959 516679 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370376001 583579 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a function such that f' = f . f? < 1370376013 496369 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1370376044 877765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :derivation? < 1370376055 522549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and composition < 1370376064 970403 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1370376077 818745 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Client Quit < 1370376087 415479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, i'm just asking if ' and . mean what i am guessing < 1370376089 875320 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, const 0? < 1370376097 564644 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = 0 < 1370376100 60935 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1370376105 956241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah i thought of that, but another? < 1370376127 854857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{differential equations} < 1370376133 837585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm polynomials can't work < 1370376155 727819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not a differential equation, it's a function equation B) < 1370376162 582090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if f has degree n, f.f has degree 2n and f' has degree n-1? < 1370376179 291396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional < 1370376181 967575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well f'(x) = f(f(x)) is a differential equation < 1370376184 383306 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something Hyperbolic? < 1370376190 826973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of sorts < 1370376206 150405 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I actually got this equation out of a book as an example of something that isn't a differential equation despite involving a function and its derivatives. < 1370376214 219945 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not about a vector field. < 1370376216 521112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1370376218 280527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1370376231 683774 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's interesting to think about. < 1370376252 568204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an arbitrary restriction of the term < 1370376287 385125 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not arbitrary. < 1370376308 277113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you get one, tell me :) < 1370376314 952940 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One what? < 1370376325 822927 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function < 1370376332 753421 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb already named one. < 1370376341 490233 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a non trivial one < 1370376410 167096 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370376412 998294 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.28 PART :#esoteric < 1370376582 532345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how does the multivariable chain rule work with f(f(x)) < 1370376599 712843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1370376615 19049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just f'(f(x))*f'(x) i think < 1370376638 27797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not actually multi < 1370376741 214799 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was the chap who said that either there's extraterrestial life or there isn't and both possibilities are equally scary? < 1370376753 462184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm schwartzian transform has nothing to do with either schwartz functions or fourier transforms < 1370376799 623525 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arthur C Clarke < 1370376849 671055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematicians: suck at naming things < 1370376877 534220 :yonkie__!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370376916 511322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait composition doesn't behave nicely with fourier or laplace transforms i think < 1370377033 213469 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lczvfhasyscippgz JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377137 503122 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370377137 503304 :yonkie_!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370377137 503386 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370377137 503463 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370377137 503542 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cejpjqkupjyazwrs QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370377137 503619 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-amfygayzmuxgshhk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370377137 503694 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370377137 503769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(f(x)) tends to be "more complicated" than f'(x) in some sense, i think < 1370377155 554793 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lczvfhasyscippgz NICK :ssue_ < 1370377204 304128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i mean not as a strict rule but as an intuition you have to escape the validity of < 1370377280 934977 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1370377297 50609 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. what if f is, say, a half-iterate? D^1/2 is way more complicated than D in my mind < 1370377441 745122 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377447 5608 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377451 158595 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377662 231830 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377673 788968 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.24 PART :#esoteric < 1370377720 800951 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1370377723 997337 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377724 69427 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-amfygayzmuxgshhk JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377724 69584 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377724 151003 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1370377850 361645 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370378029 866382 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370378043 309381 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370378047 490635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370378218 72608 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qphhopyhhfmvymrv JOIN :#esoteric < 1370378259 823868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm f's behavior near x and near f(x) do not need to be related if f isn't particularly nice. which means it should be easy to find a solution which holds only in an interval. < 1370378351 727400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = 2x near 1, say, and f(x) = 2 near 2. < 1370378424 893028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it then satisfies the equation near 1. < 1370378449 25054 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370378610 549629 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370378631 967346 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370378650 697067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f''(x) = (f(f(x)))' = f'(f(x))*f'(x) = f(f(f(x)))*f(f(x)) < 1370378652 27386 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370378705 50127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f''(x)/f'(x) = f(f(f(x))) < 1370378720 781682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ln f(x))' = f(f(f(x))) < 1370378731 15515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait < 1370378737 328512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (ln f'(x))' = f(f(f(x))) < 1370378786 367921 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how entirely comprehensible < 1370378796 547124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear as mud < 1370379047 330499 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370379231 810701 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1370379589 816551 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1370379908 757879 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@host69-197.wifi.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1370380212 749863 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370380598 513151 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@host69-197.wifi.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370380677 770066 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1370380900 979973 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370381457 966132 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@host69-197.wifi.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1370382331 186857 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370382365 65140 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@host69-197.wifi.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370383917 983188 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370384154 643268 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370384178 238360 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370384221 647430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy < 1370384232 429041 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1370384286 408842 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370384482 290053 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1370384735 283902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"William III of England arrived at Brixham in England on 5 November 1688 after setting sail from the Netherlands on 11 November 1688" < 1370384798 957873 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370384805 674069 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that was around when all the calendars were switching from Julian to Gregorian, iirc < 1370384808 545860 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kings are amazing < 1370384813 527681 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :England's was one of the last to switch < 1370384843 259388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1370384851 621832 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, were you the chap who left #haskell and vowed never to return? < 1370384864 60665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i vowed never to return........................................ < 1370384880 702676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have various complaints and probably will not return unless some of them improve < 1370384883 552095 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I am now beginning to think that that may have been a very good idea < 1370384886 18169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some already have < 1370384889 84342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that would be funnier if we had no idea people were switching calendars < 1370384899 960369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know that you all know about calendars and such < 1370384902 102434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just amusing < 1370384936 446154 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is someone who is insisting that we should endeavour to make Applicative instances as different as possible to Monad instances < 1370384943 213367 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ap /= (<*>) et al. < 1370384950 242323 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight < 1370384966 358309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of eastern europe, russia, asia didn't change until the 20th century < 1370384979 337656 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370385001 64426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the october revolution starting on November 7 (N.S.) < 1370385010 908701 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight < 1370385013 584323 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1370385016 55495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway goodnight taneb < 1370385016 474688 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already said that < 1370385021 341961 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time I meant it < 1370385025 459320 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Anyway, goodnight < 1370385031 887557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(any justification for making applicative very different from monad?) < 1370385064 509278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people being wrong on things isn't the biggest problem with #haskell. < 1370385100 848928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think are the biggest problems? < 1370385138 691332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1370385341 726920 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why as different as possible < 1370385686 942364 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370385814 258239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run e | sed '/lis/lies/' < 1370385815 804177 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 7: extra characters after command < 1370385818 489271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1370385823 19777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run e | sed 's/lis/lies/' < 1370385824 576880 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elieser224: ¿por qué con frecuencia altas y bajas? < 1370385865 704980 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.9 PART :#esoteric < 1370385951 572326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that was a downer < 1370385954 209652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1370385955 141432 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`e < 1370385956 492325 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elieser224: ¿por qué con frecuencia altas y bajas? < 1370385962 767530 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you replacing.... < 1370385965 300170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was fixed < 1370385978 300708 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370385989 939140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY MERGE ERROR < 1370385994 79614 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1370386315 64213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi ban elieser224 < 1370386316 561902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1370386324 249598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i make another typo in the naem lol < 1370386324 824403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`e < 1370386326 228021 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elieser224: ¿por qué con frecuencia altas y bajas? < 1370386389 243191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw if you know spanish please make the message be right < 1370386435 254053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :material implication is so easy < 1370386890 41056 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370386927 870720 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.1 PART :#esoteric < 1370386975 156712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can't take it < 1370386995 188217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1370387006 954264 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1370387007 74448 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387027 548563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!eliser*@* > 1370387027 572177 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387034 61934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1370387034 85865 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387038 931262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ban < 1370387074 652666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you may wish to reconsider that ban. < 1370387083 28575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular I'd recommend the addition of an e and a 22. < 1370387094 96212 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1370387094 120076 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387098 956257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 22 is not quite as necessary. < 1370387099 45177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!eliser*@* > 1370387099 67899 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387106 642052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!elisere22*@* > 1370387106 663588 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387111 429511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1370387111 452017 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387112 562466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1370387119 506514 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe there is such a thing as a 'good' ban < 1370387124 490566 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1370387127 389656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you may wish to look at elieser2241's hostname again :P < 1370387135 112051 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently jsvine agrees with me < 1370387188 821748 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370387304 981753 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Client Quit < 1370387308 441390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (the e is after the eli, not the r. or is this intentional.) < 1370387333 698493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's attentional < 1370387342 171132 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1370387342 189199 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387354 68408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!elisere22*@* > 1370387354 91623 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387393 969981 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370387400 373614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!elieser22*@* > 1370387400 397304 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387404 186734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1370387404 205595 NAMES :#esoteric < 1370387417 800951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slippery slope has landed < 1370387877 842663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs oerjan> @check.* < 1370387895 735492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- .* < 1370387917 355916 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19489 < 1370388648 344983 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1370388680 892364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rebol reminds me of what I once expressed as a wish for how Lisp worked < 1370388777 112837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if (< 0 1) '(print "Hello") '(print "Goodbye")) < 1370389547 306016 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370389594 766062 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370390311 338418 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-225.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't always get what we want < 1370390361 918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S JUST THE MAN KEEPING YOU DOWN