< 1369699200 12854 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also two character names that are the same as country codes are forbidden < 1369699201 777093 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1369699236 806017 :PrincessKaDenza!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex < 1369699336 353609 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369699619 467739 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1369700002 469923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ghostly < 1369700004 524111 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :420) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly < 1369700019 196895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 quote itidus20 every day < 1369700030 824673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it when words line up on consecutive lines ~by accident~ < 1369700047 335142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1369700049 520908 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :day up < 1369700070 769554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it when words line up on consecutive lines ~by accident~ is my worst nemesis < 1369700073 529235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an irssi plugin that adjusts text to make this happen < 1369700089 116600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot what this is called in typesetting < 1369700093 534013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to but distinct from rivers and lakes < 1369700097 714847 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dicking around" < 1369700159 189981 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: copumpkin < 1369700191 418932 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1369700577 141487 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Bike said < 1369700879 640583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1369701539 890683 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369703018 374451 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369703632 601316 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369704403 459137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you have any submissions to the topic-for-when-the-wsj-guy-comes competition < 1369704778 892691 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369704788 407047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What happened to the `olist update scheduled for Monday? < 1369704816 447971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in a WSJ article about Wikicities, then Wikicities turned evil. If I'm in a WSJ article about #esoteric, does this mean #esoteric is going to turn evil? < 1369704817 978707 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1369704847 730833 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you should post that question on the GiantITP forums. I'm sure it will be just fine asking that sort of question there. < 1369704849 80197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is beyond good and evil < 1369704849 228333 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1369704851 751042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again and again. < 1369704870 231569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1369704870 303518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why ask it at the forums when I can ask it at the source? < 1369704885 107232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, you have an account there < 1369704897 166469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want an `olist, have a meaningless `olist < 1369704898 832992 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1369704901 95774 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1369704922 71982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note for innocent victims: Do not check OOTS because of that `olist) < 1369704922 994884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...No, I want an update. < 1369704931 91076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still at 890! You liar! < 1369704937 723321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make sure it's updated first. < 1369705088 261387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many Order of the Stick fans don't play D&D? I don't (although I do play NetHack sometimes, and am thoroughly spoiled, and since NetHack has D&D as one source of inspiration, it's not like I'm completely unaware of D&D mechanics and stuff.) Anyone who was completely unaware of D&D mechanics before OotS? < 1369705108 427989 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Client Quit < 1369705134 997136 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a grea tforum < 1369705179 221994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I see an update < 1369705180 510037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/lJZUMe8.png < 1369705229 533544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow i must be having cache problems like oerjan < 1369705258 509594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369705610 201024 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1369705854 627820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 502 followers on Twitter < 1369705878 957089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, my @oots_update account does. < 1369705956 641765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow and you were in the wsj < 1369705959 9173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have your autograph < 1369706022 541929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there an oots_update account < 1369706042 437898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just subscribe to RichBurlew < 1369706057 307507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, because oots_update was created before RichBurlew < 1369706067 301942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but why is oots_update still functional < 1369706091 769609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, does it really make sense to force people to switch? < 1369706112 446078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme check if I at least tweeted about it < 1369706128 222463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rich Burlew is on Twitter! @RichBurlew" < 1369706151 297921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, I guess isn't quite the same as "You don't need to follow me anymore, you can just follow @RichBurlew" < 1369706162 218257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should start retweeterizing his tweeterees. < 1369706171 79224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is the WSJ guy actually going to come? < 1369706203 342568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so sez chris < 1369706222 857871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:55:04 oh! oh! got an email response back < 1369706224 240985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:55:38 "A chat on #esoteric works for me." < 1369706226 77613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:55:48 i need a drink < 1369706229 145691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : #esoteric is beyond good and evil <--- beyond 1984, beyond 2001, beyond love, beyond death < 1369706232 461306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wowow < 1369706249 216735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:06:40 oh, and his days are tues, weds, thurs this week. < 1369706263 293830 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main variable here is of course zzo38's availability < 1369706265 595457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my reaction also < 1369706300 298298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, also, if someone is following both me and oots_update but not RichBurlew that may indicate to me that they are following/stalking me specifically even with the oots_update follow < 1369706332 80637 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read twatter sometimes < 1369706333 613970 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I even twaat < 1369706356 79642 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly follow twitters because it's taken me forever to find good biology blogs < 1369706369 735430 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you know that turing's most cited paper is the biology one < 1369706371 19813 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda weird < 1369706380 213165 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :biology one? < 1369706403 424485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter : tweet :: twatter : twuut < 1369706405 463397 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the war he kinda turned to biochemistry < 1369706420 407938 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote a paper "The Chemical Basis of Morphogenesis" about how shape is developed by growing organisms < 1369706446 417745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it... correct < 1369706481 220409 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's pretty abstract, as you might expect from a bio paper that involves considerations of symmetry-preserving transformations < 1369706521 530148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/zcomp/zcomp.sql The V_QUALIFY trigger seems to be too long; do you want to fix it? < 1369706531 843876 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus, it has 7136 cites < 1369706535 478467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most people know that Einstein got his nobel prize for the work on the photoelectric effect < 1369706546 606007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that a lot < 1369706548 824030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am available now, of course. < 1369706550 221139 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the photoelectric effect is pretty baller as far as i'm concerned < 1369706562 331533 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh. yes? < 1369706575 997407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know someone whose paper has ~3000 citations or something < 1369706579 922818 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not unheard of, but it's a lot more than the average. < 1369706581 667676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like being half-turing!! < 1369706625 240347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that gave me a WTF moment for a second < 1369706626 529102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oprah Winfrey ‏ Verified account @Oprah < 1369706626 600926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by Seth Gold" < 1369706639 771174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some DJ named Seth Gold < 1369706642 328059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can try to fix it something else, such as making a table to store those results and then to do that instead, since I would need to repeat mostly the same V_QUALIFY trigger for each field of the VOTE table < 1369706645 126163 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14076813763086182113 < 1369706661 224001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you available Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? < 1369706662 550451 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually remember what his thesis was. something something with applications to the longgermannameproblem < 1369706669 869620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that there doesn't seems the way to make a field name as a parameter < 1369706674 441740 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title of it, i mean < 1369706699 626357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Tuesday this week (that is tomorrow), but not all day; I should be available in the evening (my timezone is Pacific) < 1369706731 155094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can tell your timezone is Pacific, because all the cool people have that timezone. < 1369706760 32838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't a very good way to tell. < 1369706837 206658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good way to tell? < 1369706854 152743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By sending a TIME message to me < 1369706861 598169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just to ask. < 1369706864 27404 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow let's see here, it's cited by krugman, von neumann, levin, wolfram, kelso, Intanagonwiwat (i don't know who this is but i like their name), lindenmayer (of l-systems), prigogine, and that's about it for name si recognize < 1369706886 299537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i cite it < 1369706889 232640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you recognize me < 1369706908 411245 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1369706925 641488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would i recognize you < 1369706943 290782 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1369706944 961952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is James Kalenius an actual name that you would use for publishing papers and things < 1369707055 810149 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you dislike it? < 1369707072 246107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i think almost nobody knows that < 1369707092 656111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ask the average person what einstein did, they will come up with "E=mc²" and nothing else and probably not know what it means either < 1369707108 205427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misunderestimate my fellow human beings < 1369707110 288759 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1369707111 150407 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're probably right < 1369707114 317868 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :einstein didn't pass highschool math < 1369707116 284437 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cynic < 1369707120 782881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern ur history dumass < 1369707149 240769 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: http://neilcicierega.tumblr.com/post/50354803614 < 1369707149 994309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Einstein also said socks get holes in them. < 1369707155 598842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/6f88cbc2ae1fc13e6fa7f1ec07bdd83d/tumblr_mmpzoljQ4N1qzgnzho1_500.png http://25.media.tumblr.com/8bd807033be7887e1d08fb29763ea3b6/tumblr_mmr1tg53J21qzgnzho1_500.jpg < 1369707182 386584 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1369707211 996435 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Father of animutation < 1369707222 966081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1369707261 689650 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his famous "annus mirabilis" papers, einstein showed that flash animations about Shaq Fu could actually be pretty funny < 1369707295 5422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/942299_10151934516699466_1761459223_n.jpg < 1369707346 698288 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scared shachaf < 1369707469 623831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm scared shachaf < 1369707472 386284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're scared Bike < 1369707490 977840 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, true < 1369707491 791848 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1369707494 58173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the WSJ reporter has already joined and is lurking while we talk about them < 1369707497 475188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is log-reading < 1369707512 424258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubtful < 1369707516 531257 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they know what IRC is < 1369707523 420890 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they agreed to it < 1369707538 807060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume cpressey gave instructions when he suggested irc as the interview venue < 1369707558 876853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: didnt you read his email < 1369707562 182475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we literally know exactly what he said < 1369707563 920863 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe hagb4rd is the reporter. < 1369707573 771929 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying. < 1369707588 700182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should be held on IRC -- in the #esoteric channel on freenode." no instructions < 1369707655 683903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has made an ass out of u and me < 1369707666 332242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)-: < 1369707669 607999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i assume < 1369707669 717201 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe elliott's the reporter. Maybe I'm the reporter. Maybe we're all the reporter < 1369707692 589636 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the wall street journal. Hear me < 1369707694 785523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "the reporter" Bike < 1369707695 70813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will report the reporter < 1369707718 184909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i tell the reporter that i used copies of WSJ as food for oyster mushrooms < 1369707722 66104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369707732 892030 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ is the reporter < 1369707740 170804 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the first place, for instance, men are more often found standing on their feet than their heads." < 1369707749 230918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the "drugs" ready for our interview < 1369707765 215147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert hunter s thompson reference < 1369707766 457646 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finest oyster hallucinogens < 1369707779 644041 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the "dogs" are "stuffed" full of the "drugs" < 1369707779 772464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that sounds like _Mathematics Made Difficult_......... < 1369707782 770769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's actually turing?? < 1369707792 384401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Pleurotus means "side ear", from Greek πλευρή (pleurē), "side"[4] + ὠτός (ōtos), genitive of οὖς (ous), "ear".' < 1369707800 564589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the genus of oyster mushrooms < 1369707820 734347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm should i say my favourite esolang is Esme or that other one < 1369707824 533321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of NSQX's < 1369707830 143269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten what that other one is < 1369707834 655722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oyster mushrooms eat nematodes < 1369707842 654486 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good book < 1369707850 321313 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: snack? < 1369707855 566871 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :furscript? < 1369707875 117356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all good options < 1369707897 837427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: which one < 1369707903 78015 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id like to see a report on fuckfuck < 1369707905 349987 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All < 1369707913 528174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the REAL joke: everyone (including me) is going to try too hard to be stupid and it'll end up awkward and unfunny and the journalist will give up and we'll regret being jerks < 1369707924 538132 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real joke is i wont do that < 1369707929 539550 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill play off of you guys trying too hard < 1369707932 424364 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats how itll go down < 1369707951 660662 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh you put it better. < 1369707958 332663 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real joke is ill sleep through it tho < 1369707958 812258 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1369707969 509282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what did you say < 1369707976 757656 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i forget < 1369707979 787236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can tell me (and everyone else) what time we are supposed to be available on this IRC for this interview, then we can try to do that, please. < 1369707985 280133 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me just consult the loge < 1369708026 305594 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i said: "it'll probably be boring" < 1369708028 599629 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insightful < 1369708057 492969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you'll have to ask chris, maybe he will know by tomorrow < 1369708073 654929 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people will try hard to be jerks for about two seconds before remembering that that's actually kind of a boring thing to do < 1369708118 810111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean i'm still going to give nonsense because i literally can't do anything else < 1369708129 71313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, polite nonsense < 1369708147 893415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then let's the people who will be not entirely 100% nonsense. < 1369708161 310525 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's the people indeed. i will not be letting myself < 1369708289 71893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this has to be the first time a journalist has used irc since like 1992 < 1369708595 970253 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369708648 425022 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369708648 561292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be here for this :( < 1369708662 835694 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably be asleep < 1369708663 153085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem sad that you want to be here for this < 1369708673 753318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should know what time it is, to do so! < 1369708684 895418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to know what time it should be! < 1369708686 912615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the time in the topic < 1369708763 602391 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's MissPiggy or cheater pulling a prank? < 1369708773 957047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if either of those two are really the sort < 1369708775 488369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROBOT HOOOOUSE! < 1369709042 731127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheaters busy trolling #haskell these days and did you just pick MissPiggy out of a list of banned users or something because what < 1369709091 791432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you really think chris wouldn't check the reliability of such an email before putting a response on his website and asking us about it < 1369709396 108835 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369710116 392411 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369710320 905991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are banned users besides cheater and MissPiggy? < 1369710345 443233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise misspiggy has been back like five times since using that name and isn't banned right < 1369710363 393975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes dbelange is banned too < 1369710419 666320 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That name sounds vaguely but not fully familiar < 1369710687 613399 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy is banned? < 1369710695 244513 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, dbelange < 1369710699 573932 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these names from my past < 1369710703 545542 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was the most recent? < 1369710705 325799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was dbelange? < 1369710746 447484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: uhhh i think j-invariant or crystal-cola < 1369710756 294838 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so not recently :( < 1369710762 256513 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happened < 1369710765 447854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: guy who came here a few times to troll badly < 1369710771 513372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got banned < 1369710777 744017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro's fault or something < 1369710806 616429 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369710806 741881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a pervasive troll < 1369710808 655760 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :known for it < 1369710820 650479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone by that name was banned on Wikipedia < 1369710824 106761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: there was someone in #haskell recently who reminded me of her but it was just a hunch and I've forgotten by now < 1369710826 872983 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember who I spoke to who knew him in person, said he was smart but weird and enjoyed trolling way too much < 1369710845 320647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro said his university gets complaints from random IRC servers about him or something < 1369710846 638171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was someone with a mathy sounding name that reminded me < 1369710850 632801 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I've met him < 1369710854 276796 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's true < 1369710863 404850 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: have any more color to add? < 1369710865 636983 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: he's a grad of my school and pops by every now and then < 1369710871 793185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to troll /r/atheism < 1369710877 334445 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, you about summed it up < 1369710879 349025 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc the hardcore catholic? < 1369710886 482480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1369710891 848653 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I saw him he was trolling ##math by posting questions taken from /r/math < 1369710896 700027 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the chair behind me < 1369710910 195276 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's now studying symbolic logic somewhere < 1369710916 290872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was the guy who trolled #haskell by taking GHC bug reports, obfuscating the reproducers, and then asking why the code didn't work < 1369710927 10488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bitchx.com/log/math-f/math-f-11-Feb-2010/math-f-11-Feb-2010-08.php < 1369710927 504615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1369710933 631937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would take that over the usual #haskell trolling < 1369710937 39042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page is called 'dbelange troll' < 1369710940 562429 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's clever < 1369711031 70691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i flagged a guy on SO today for asking questions like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15865631/type-a-is-not-equal-to-type-a-in-haskell-ghci-interpreter < 1369711040 850787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i meant http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15815931/haskell-missing-identifier-even-though-its-defined-one-line-above < 1369711043 897300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better < 1369711046 378180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait pokoko222 and MissPiggy are also trolls < 1369711049 468831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this channel like #troll < 1369711058 294037 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy wasn't a troll < 1369711060 859328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspiggy isn't a troll per se < 1369711067 908763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369711069 595481 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pokoko was just ridiculously overenthusiastic, I thought < 1369711080 905146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss having her around actually < 1369711089 544209 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369711151 44918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did she do < 1369711166 380943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember badtruffle? what a troublemaker < 1369711169 213498 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1369711177 497211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's complicated" < 1369711180 557477 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was pretty knowledgeable but had a really big temper < 1369711189 70879 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to talk a lot in #agda and #epigram < 1369711201 102897 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: vixey ring a bell? < 1369711203 77891 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon? < 1369711206 118340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1369711207 397664 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a bajillion names < 1369711225 80817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :she got frustrated with almost everyone in #haskell and here and put them on ignore and complained about #haskell people here in stuff and eventually left or got banned for whatever, this happened like two or three times and she'd appear again under another nick months later < 1369711230 449665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame < 1369711258 635678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was kind of a jerk to her at some points and i regret it :( < 1369711283 59148 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunt her down and ask her to come back? < 1369711314 446157 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what name does she even use these days < 1369711319 40290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does make sense to get frustrated with almost everyone in #haskell < 1369711325 421284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know how and it'd feel stalkery, there is http://muaddibspace.blogspot.co.uk/ and http://natural-deductions.blogspot.co.uk/ but they don't have any contact info (though cpressey left a comment trying to get in touch once, I don't know if he got any response) < 1369711329 725285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't complain about specific people here very much, though < 1369711333 640739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she deleted all her reddit accounts < 1369711365 502352 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't she adjunction or something like that < 1369711371 156619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is fax? < 1369711373 644835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: by almost everyone I mean incl. regulars, ops and so on < 1369711392 962191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that she was entirely wrong about it but it wasn't an ideal way of expressing her irritations) < 1369711411 895876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand getting frustrated with certain #haskell ops. < 1369711419 13074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like copumpkin < 1369711420 847711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy is terrible < 1369711434 225514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin's great. < 1369711481 299581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell-ops has frustrating people too. for example me. < 1369711489 256555 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1369711512 410689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote for.example.me < 1369711512 623151 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: #haskell-blah has brilliant people too. for example me. < 1369711519 363845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did shachaf tell you about your moment of fame < 1369711526 429936 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an email < 1369711541 912564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has a moment of fame? < 1369711550 81004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: huh, where? < 1369711555 510666 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :on coq club < 1369711560 422544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1369711563 405810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean when i quoted him out of context in -ops? < 1369711588 683556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there is a github account with repos too, so probably those have an email < 1369711596 839969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she might hate me though, so probably I am not the best person to make contact anyway < 1369711598 449424 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't actually see one there < 1369711762 197301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do on coq club < 1369711797 975456 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I tried summoning her < 1369711807 120449 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :will let y'all know if she replies < 1369711844 155337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: copumpkin didn't mean you, if that's what you meant < 1369711849 660229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369711861 991520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was my moment of fame < 1369711863 44194 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I meant I'd found a promising email address for her on coq-club < 1369711866 278930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369712178 20389 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels slightly weird seeing "muaddibspace" up there.
< 1369712185 799868 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has two gerbils, named "Muad" and "Dib".
< 1369712367 258335 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what the heck is the point of the stack overflow question < 1369712378 358011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there isn't one < 1369712384 207249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i flagged the guy!! < 1369712399 274851 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what possible motivation could you have < 1369712405 570054 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cwcc one of the nicks? < 1369712423 687378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: on reddit at least yeah < 1369712427 223330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on irc too? < 1369712438 984739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a random comment on a blog under that < 1369712450 363410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows, oh well < 1369712453 640960 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait and see < 1369712508 841702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: did you hear this channel is getting interviewed by the WSJ?????????? < 1369712513 609938 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1369712521 122838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is, anyway. < 1369712521 461181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly the golden age of esolangs is upon us < 1369712522 251690 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... what. < 1369712531 282078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/wsj.html < 1369712840 854799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huuuh. < 1369712854 488398 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2k13 year of esolang on the desktop < 1369712999 240541 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1369713146 991234 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369713437 161618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if being able to run Linux and Windows at the same time is worth losing being able to play with Virtualbox < 1369713491 772230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snickers at the zzo38 suggestion
< 1369713909 235824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have things to say about it, I am not the only one, so it should be done in the IRC that everyone can answer. < 1369714009 855722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I had the pleasure of explaining why there are more ordinal numbers than cardinal numbers < 1369714012 860685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo 'more' < 1369714035 326368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you enjoy it < 1369714038 617440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369714047 401239 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ordinals are orderings of sets and cardinals are just sizes? < 1369714108 28060 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smell factorials < 1369714118 689677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not orderings of sets < 1369714140 731725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if all you have is sets, you can construct the natural numbers inductively like so: 0 = {}, 1 = {0}, 2 = {0,1}, 3 = {0,1,2}, etc < 1369714143 246210 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369714160 814934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every natural number is the set of numbers less than it < 1369714166 349224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's not valid without the axiom of infinity kmc < 1369714175 532508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so? < 1369714184 722962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a construction but an appeal to an axiom!!! < 1369714188 207319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu < 1369714197 985685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i thought the idea of doing this in #esoteric was so that you could have everyone be annoying and pedantic about it < 1369714213 287539 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the idea is that he says a thing that's less wrong than the thing i said < 1369714223 799769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "constructing things from sets" means working in the axioms of a set theory < 1369714240 88051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since I didn't say which one, you would assume ZF < 1369714240 619367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i will allow it.... this time < 1369714243 279916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS TIME < 1369714259 966414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i assumed you were working in New Foundations < 1369714265 636598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a total lie i just wanted to annoy you by saying it < 1369714275 577941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROCEED < 1369714293 701168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. the set ℕ = {0,1,2,...} of *all* natural numbers looks like one of these < 1369714310 930554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we call that the first transfinite ordinal and name it ω rather than ℕ for some reason < 1369714356 445287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you can also build the set ω ∪ {ω} and what would you call that other than ω+1? < 1369714389 491431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can make ω+2, ω+3, ω*2, ω*ω, etc < 1369714421 832485 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't get it. What is ω*2? < 1369714425 913060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically since you know how to do arithmetic on naturals, and those are just sets, you can apply the same operations to these transfinite ordinals < 1369714459 655539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ω ≠ ω+1 ≠ ω+2; they are sets with different elements < 1369714475 354546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can be put into bijection with each other, so they have the same cardinality (size) < 1369714476 682223 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: just define multiplication on the naturals-as-sets and then apply that to these weirdo things < 1369714493 890079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. i'm trying to remember how multiplication on naturals-as-sets works < 1369714511 481623 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not obvious, hence why I asked ;) < 1369714513 420234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_arithmetic < 1369714518 33723 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that'll do < 1369714532 176521 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'll find that it's Trivial because I don't want to remember enough to explain it < 1369714537 342272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prediction: at some point someone will vandalise one of the axioms on the ZFC wikipedia article < 1369714546 138757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mathematicians will actually adopt these vandalised axioms < 1369714546 243703 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1369714554 240619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they looked them up to remember < 1369714571 221946 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prediction: nobody actually uses ZFC besides set theorists anyway < 1369714579 982936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true < 1369714586 684232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody likes set theorists ~type theory 4eva~ < 1369714590 864124 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fu < 1369714593 894204 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :set theory is awesome < 1369714601 792707 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same would work (not work) for martin lof axioms, i'm sure < 1369714602 752071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry that you've taken it upon yourself to be so wrong < 1369714663 367015 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that presently type theoretic research is more popular than set theoretic research, probably, so maybe researchers get tats of judgements or whatever < 1369714688 262311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think type theory research is more popular than set theory research :P < 1369714741 312554 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think? i mean obviously some of it's where i hang out (here) but the most recent set theory thing i've read wasn't ZFC anyway < 1369714760 900486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-Comp #1 is now open for entry! < 1369714826 970740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's all esoteric large cardinals crap < 1369714829 603315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like < 1369714835 395169 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369714844 690948 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but i mean how many people care about that < 1369714853 874296 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to whatever the fuck type theorists do < 1369714866 971721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mostly only computer scientists compare about type theory and generally those are considered to "not count" < 1369714880 524362 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a lot of them! < 1369714891 87550 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought mathematicians proper were more concerned with like topology usually < 1369714896 763858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also everything is usually formulated in sets, if it's formulated at all < 1369714900 1450 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hey guess how easy it is to get from there to typeshits < 1369714912 35495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but you have to realise how fucking crazy homotopy type theory is. < 1369714912 891790 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sets are super easy and pretty familiar < 1369714917 138253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the bullest of shits < 1369714917 209963 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm concerned with things that start with q < 1369714924 804856 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's crazy /but/ so is algebraic topology < 1369714927 425978 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: math < 1369714928 681281 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that < 1369714931 203042 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that start with q < 1369714934 13614 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also matroids < 1369714941 244723 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i'm. what are you talking about. < 1369714943 780311 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck matroids though. < 1369714950 564006 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum this, quantum that < 1369714960 518667 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that like physics usually < 1369714966 142588 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an occasional CSist < 1369714988 488735 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a shitton of combinatorialists and cryptographers in the middle < 1369714995 115444 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- combinatorialist < 1369715006 97560 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinatorics is the bomb < 1369715019 194363 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain combinatorics facts such as: why i am shit at it < 1369715040 15763 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets to spend tomorrow trying to figure out why sage and nauty appear to have different notions of canonical graph labelings and what to do about it
< 1369715075 188613 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun! < 1369715218 22701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: your explanation went off the rails a bit < 1369715233 891785 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1369715273 531091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it stopped < 1369715309 952058 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he explained it? < 1369715327 122454 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I interrupted with helpful questions < 1369715346 373380 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I refuse to accept that the definition of ordinal arithmentic is "etc." < 1369715361 243641 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some mathematician you are < 1369715382 345844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<#haskeller> well getLine :: IO String contains a thunk that when evaluated reads characters of a line from standard input < 1369715387 182354 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway is it actually formalized that there are more ordinals than cardinals? i mean obviously you can't take the cardinality of all cardinals < 1369715393 153289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong things considered harmful :'( < 1369715402 424525 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the cardinals are a strict subset of the ordinals < 1369715411 421357 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369715413 205012 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah duh oops < 1369715424 182644 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the way this works in practice is *really* wonky < 1369715437 714829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1369715442 741057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aren't you an op < 1369715447 119629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you tell them they're wrong < 1369715450 182864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be listened to < 1369715486 48830 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the map α -> א_α is injective < 1369715491 216697 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has many fixed points < 1369715492 608441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was away at the time. < 1369715529 153738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looking at logs. < 1369715549 835310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The annoying part is that they were "helping" someone else. < 1369715552 293348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i told them they were wrong < 1369715555 551914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what to do. < 1369715565 707178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was a bit mean and got called out on it :P < 1369715567 752383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they stopped, so < 1369715579 297478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this particular person often wrong? < 1369715582 979457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i was trying to sound mean) < 1369715588 701723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen their name before < 1369715591 241879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1369715594 947466 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how would you describe getLine < 1369715597 626204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm not sure there's much you can do other than correct them < 1369715601 663197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote shachaf /bin/ls < 1369715601 877093 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf says: getLine :: IO String contains a String in the same way that /bin/ls contains a list of files < 1369715608 268218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my favourite quote" < 1369715616 137241 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that also wrong < 1369715620 328860 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong what is write < 1369715624 566089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's an IO action and *executing* it is what produces the line < 1369715627 968929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not *evaluating* < 1369715628 684326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's right < 1369715636 851619 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that different from the thunk thing < 1369715641 487033 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "evaluating" < 1369715650 338374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaluation is distinct from execution. < 1369715659 91343 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right yeah ok got it nerds < 1369715660 377614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even like to speak of execution of IO actions < 1369715663 694198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution is something that an interpreter does. < 1369715666 336364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes people think it's something haskell can do < 1369715678 55174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: preferably correct them with a link to the faq (PLUG PLUG PLUG) < 1369715690 679507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo join and help < 1369715697 897037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I link to the FAQ a lot! < 1369715698 634283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1369715700 199738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to link to the faq < 1369715700 357478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1369715713 66950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wondered why it didn't cover some common thing a day or so ago!! < 1369715718 411326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only you had been there to Hear The Need < 1369715718 874904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf@carbon:~/haskell-log$ grep ' @where faq' ALL | wc -l < 1369715719 88719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 < 1369715729 297588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it were a wiki and other people could add stuff < 1369715729 911369 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where faq < 1369715730 168261 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ < 1369715742 985270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has edited the FAQ though < 1369715744 95064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey, i edited it once < 1369715744 755548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so props to him < 1369715745 803332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369715746 289303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fuck you, imo < 1369715761 535394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1369715763 356684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1369715768 943974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<#haskeller> 1. learn about monoids (which most people find pretty easy), 2. learn about endofunctors, 3. now you know about monads < 1369715773 529913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1369715774 612649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't help but feel slightly responsible :'( < 1369715783 784559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should give different #haskellers different identifiers < 1369715788 269978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true. < 1369715788 918208 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bother < 1369715793 714250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was <#otherhaskeller> < 1369715798 393276 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're giving me an image of the true platonic haskeller < 1369715800 126958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, other#haskeller < 1369715809 564772 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In addition, some people write articles about advanced math, using Haskell syntax as their notation. These articles are interesting, but the connection to everyday programming work is usually remote." very elliott < 1369715819 356609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#haskeller" could be an image macro like Scumbag Steve or whatever < 1369715836 658889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it couldn't don't say things like that < 1369715840 485904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just what reddit.com/r/haskell needs! < 1369715842 639130 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw an image macro comparing feminists negatively to MRAs today < 1369715846 242607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fuck image macros clearly < 1369715851 487622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1369715858 712271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to burn down this internet and get a new one < 1369715866 851064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't like that answer so much "Not My Preferred Part Of The Faq" < 1369715894 299889 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerd < 1369715894 513070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best faq section is... section 5, it contains all the wrong things people ask for < 1369715898 602579 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need more insults < 1369715922 849943 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm making an RPG. Should I define a type for each kind of monster, and a type class for them?" what the heck < 1369715946 127276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe you can bother other people to edit the faq more? my purpose in writing it was not like "i am kmc and here are the eternal truths of haskell" but like, a starting point for The Community to build a Consensus about how to explain things < 1369715955 409784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you should make a *kind* for each kind of monster. < 1369715966 902847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: getting a wiki account is annoying and you need one to edit < 1369715967 12904 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1369715969 339572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know. < 1369715973 223602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and nobody edits the wiki and it's a bunch of work < 1369715977 195077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the correct answer depends on a lot of things. < 1369715978 223034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt most people even know you wrote it all < 1369715985 82104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, that's not why they're not editing < 1369715989 572608 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta make my RPG isomorphic to lob's theorem < 1369715993 341057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a Getting kmc Back To #haskell project then getting other people to edit the FAQ would help < 1369715999 601279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh ,I know it's not why they're not editing < 1369716003 438944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you discovered our secret plot < 1369716007 416971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's much easier to Cale it in IRC than to edit the FAQ. < 1369716008 663056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have club meetings and everything < 1369716011 293011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1369716012 319057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comic sans banner < 1369716019 39160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake etc. < 1369716019 511911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :transferring it to an easier to edit venue would also be a fine plan < 1369716019 969677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Cale.it < 1369716020 181662 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius says: Now I can just point people at a readable and relevant paper instead of having to Cale it. < 1369716038 688723 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caling...? < 1369716044 545545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've answered a few stackoverflow.com questions! That's like adding to a mega-FAQ. < 1369716047 886638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1369716059 358365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever Asked Questions < 1369716064 971090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My highest-voted answer is a pseudo-monad-tutorial. :-( < 1369716067 284135 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i should just not talk yes < 1369716091 354069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make RPG computer games I think SQL is not a bad programming language for doing so. < 1369716110 43574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECT key; INSERT key INTO door; < 1369716112 987193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's what monochrom calls "lecture replays" < 1369716136 885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That isn't how it is done, though. < 1369716143 645373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf@carbon:~/haskell-log$ grep '.*double (double 5' ALL | wc -l < 1369716143 845990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :214 < 1369716144 868891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: basically if you ask a Frequently Asked Question in #haskell then 2-5 people start typing out their favorite boilerplate answer into the channel < 1369716154 198610 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know how that goes < 1369716159 22488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe then they'll argue about which one is better < 1369716162 481303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just talk past each other < 1369716172 482700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow < 1369716173 694382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this pissed me off and eventually I quit < 1369716181 169299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think it's more like two boilerplate answers nowadays < 1369716183 560069 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"double (double"??????????? < 1369716187 493256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest are lies < 1369716190 358259 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people do @faq < 1369716195 782036 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369716199 489708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like one < 1369716199 561288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: "i think it's an in-n-out thing" < 1369716200 202679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people weren't interested in collaborating to find a good way to explain stuff < 1369716203 836279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: cale has an example he uses to explain lazy evaluation < 1369716208 523176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves reduction of some doublings < 1369716209 887595 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah < 1369716213 249369 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1369716215 213005 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcEaHT9mt-Y good AI < 1369716216 456315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't realise he'd used it that many times < 1369716225 61186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait does that match multiple lines of the reduction < 1369716236 907615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1369716259 417836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll be fairer and only count one per day. < 1369716316 522662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf@carbon:~/haskell-log/haskell$ grep -l '.*double (double 5' 0* 1* | wc -l < 1369716319 507254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 < 1369716343 870707 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha'ts still a lot < 1369716373 102911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: how s well doing < 1369716409 739285 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa thats freaky shachaf he just joined < 1369716414 977649 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in "correspondance" < 1369716430 272700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1369716548 24925 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1369716597 286020 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369716610 267293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you think the ops and other regulators understand why i wrote the FAQ and why I care that other people edit it? < 1369716751 249762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er I meant to write "regulars", lolol < 1369716773 53893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining a beautiful #haskell bureaucracy < 1369716774 72187 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc are you like the lost old man of that channel < 1369716780 50402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that entail exactly < 1369716785 64969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1369716807 277503 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thousands of years ago, the great sage, kmc, set down the Frequent Questions for all the people of this channel < 1369716837 987360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw it is great that you messaged preflex because everyone who does "seen kmc" gets 05:53:41 kmc was last seen 364 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: < 1369716842 758446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's super mysterious < 1369716846 460584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1369716848 793407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1369716848 865682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this has happened multiple times) < 1369716851 611950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should talk about why you left and what you're unhappy with etc. rather than have me quote you out of context in -ops, if you want people to know < 1369716860 230929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369716863 629485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an unposted blog post about it < 1369716883 591938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not important to me personally that people know exactly why i left < 1369716909 92486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas about how to make the channel better, and several of the ops know what they are (via #esoteric mainly I guess?!?!?!?) < 1369716918 189773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I have done my part < 1369716930 453922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's up to y'all to implement them or not, as you see fit < 1369716937 424486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of worry that a public blog post will stir up drama / people going "omg did you hear this channel sux" in #haskell / trolls realising they can join and be catered to with helpfulness for hours (this already happens to some extent, targetting at least one person known to be helpful) < 1369716945 375000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1369716949 924262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one reason not to post it < 1369716960 214274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would break a longstanding rule of not posting fluff on my blog < 1369716961 600479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a lot of disagreement between ops on the right way to handle things. < 1369716962 437839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo fluff < 1369716962 945799 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds complicated < 1369716964 962020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could make a super secret post and shachaf can drop it into -ops!! < 1369716971 597762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah an anonymous pastebin!!!! < 1369716975 774350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1369716977 991979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including at least one who says that he likes feeding trolls. < 1369716986 158214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not quite the kind of super secret i meant but that works too < 1369717024 475672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here's what we do: we make kmc a #haskell op just so he can talk in -ops without actually rejoining #haskell < 1369717029 292432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect??? ?? ? < 1369717039 965725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can my title be "Consigliere" < 1369717052 150489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wsj guy reading this is totally gonna scoop us < 1369717061 171933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :write all about the #Haskell Schism < 1369717073 849406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do it wsj person < 1369717082 312837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell ain't no esolang!! < 1369717088 799981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("fluff" isn't quite the right word because communities are important and all... I guess it's more about the fact that I'm far from an expert on running online communities and I don't want to make big public proclamations about how it should be done) < 1369717124 892865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to make the point that people don't notice the cost of valuable people who leave the channel because they're so tired of it all. < 1369717135 612475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're an obvious example but there are surely others. < 1369717143 233243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i resisted having a blog at all for a while because i didn't want to be one of those Hacker News blogjerks who is constantly spouting an uninformed opinion about something or other < 1369717145 154361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's me at various points (like I said) < 1369717156 890429 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369717165 209284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've taken #haskell off my autojoin for being annoying and noisy at various points < 1369717165 928780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I try to stick to things that are some combination of a) objective fact, and b) fields where I am actually an expert < 1369717171 243609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more commonly reinstalled and just not bothered to join it because it was no fun < 1369717188 995391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks for saying i'm valuable :) < 1369717198 56768 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369717213 289644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one of my suggestions was just to make #haskell-in-depth be actually a thing, somehow < 1369717226 283135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists now < 1369717230 460184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called #haskell-lens and i'm not kidding < 1369717234 582217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I stayed in #haskell-in-depth for a while after I left #haskell < 1369717235 954103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha really? < 1369717240 479025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1369717244 179681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, #haskell-lens is really #haskell-edwardk. < 1369717245 909685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell-edwardk < 1369717247 202471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :efb < 1369717255 721131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well maybe I will join some day! < 1369717261 150194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but people talk about the scarce amounts of non-edwardk advanced stuff there is too sometimes! < 1369717265 194677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the recommendation < 1369717268 387290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the time when we had a monad tutorial in #haskell-in-depth. < 1369717284 34282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a somethingorother tutorial in #-ops? < 1369717292 742755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like having sex in the living room because all your friends are having a party in your bedroom? < 1369717299 201319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone got banned and went into #-ops to appeal it, and then just shifted the original discussion to there. < 1369717306 175985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1369717311 973519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they have two problems < 1369717363 44291 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1369717429 339868 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1369717495 627440 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1369717513 945299 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369717546 694513 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i had the same worry with my blog (except i'm not an expert in anything). i think i've done pretty well by being descriptive rather than normative, and also avoiding those "why x sucks" or "comparing x vs y" type posts < 1369717551 996071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1369717557 911107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'but those get so many pageviews!' < 1369717572 523832 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved: nobody reads my blog anyway < 1369717576 296130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right another obvious trick is: don't care about pageviews and don't have ads so you don't have a financial incentive for pageviews < 1369717579 300503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1369717581 389629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i bet shachaf does < 1369717586 851627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail a bit at not caring about pageviews < 1369717596 835666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I find it interesting to see which posts are most popular < 1369717603 724059 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's one thing to say "i don't write popularity", but it's still nice to see your stuff getting read < 1369717606 432328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo kmc doesn't update his blog enough < 1369717608 65892 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for popularity* < 1369717613 888608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1369717623 940978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he hasn't updated for almost as long as arcane sentiment! < 1369717654 66920 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369717660 141715 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderation rather than abstention, bla bla bla < 1369717673 515511 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hm i should write a post about buddhism and ascetism as relates to hacker news" < 1369717680 236337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow kernel JIT spraying is #2 now < 1369717692 37861 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369717695 766090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read Bike's weblog < 1369717700 679576 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe < 1369717702 323953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost caught up to quasicrystals, which was far and away #1 because of its non-tech stoner appeal < 1369717703 853704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not regularly < 1369717713 787870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok not everyone who likes pretty pictures is a stoner but you know what i mean) < 1369717731 816139 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you had pretty pictures of jit spraying. think of the pageviews < 1369717734 477300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1369717753 134949 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. embrace the fact that "jit spraying" sounds pornographic < 1369717771 599507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i stared at the quasicrystal animation stoner-style, i admit < 1369717771 709011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1369717778 796151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did it stare back < 1369717783 779125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the abyss noob < 1369717796 744448 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369717796 862446 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quasicrystal animation????? is it pretty < 1369717815 312467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2011/10/quasicrystals-as-sums-of-waves-in-plane.html < 1369717823 260013 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever catalyzed a reaction...... i mean REALLY catalyzed a reaction < 1369717826 398691 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah that's pretty pretty < 1369717835 499922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc is coming to visit in, uh, 2 days? < 1369717841 876683 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen 'em catal < 1369717849 626197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://intothecontinuum.tumblr.com/ has a ton of great stuff < 1369717853 788805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like trippy gifs of math stuff < 1369717859 460884 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow yeah that's pretty stonery < 1369717859 936409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or mathematica < 1369717867 179036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes there's a pot leaf about 30 pages in < 1369717875 979931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CannabisCurve.html < 1369717882 382642 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant your post but yeah < 1369717887 503304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369717896 722946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are periodic adverts for some kind of meditative practice < 1369717900 590876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on intothecontinuum i mean < 1369717903 904825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah I am < 1369717922 654103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to make a "stoner?" joke but then it was sad :( < 1369717944 394635 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on tumblr i get followed by a couple weirdo meditative hippie people < 1369717947 126839 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really sure why < 1369717951 469353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/43b227c8b2b7b5e76e9a8269a1ce8d38/tumblr_mg4re6ASry1qfjvexo1_500.gif ok stop unzipping my brain plz < 1369717970 771906 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a stoner phrase < 1369717988 76719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird because i know some o fthese look v. familiar from my own renderings < 1369717999 640343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never published them < 1369718009 124558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like we both took the same photo of the platonic realm < 1369718017 415942 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wetwareontologies.tumblr.com/ ????? < 1369718033 883958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plato isn't even a planet anymore < 1369718041 800643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'unzipping' gif reminds me of salvia a bit < 1369718043 204745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: haha < 1369718057 90676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you see http://screenshotsofdespair.tumblr.com/ < 1369718066 616149 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no this one http://memeengine.tumblr.com/ < 1369718072 880899 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meme engine < 1369718073 779252 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know you’re tackling a difficult subject when you use a metaphor with Quantum Fields to clarify things." like whoa, man < 1369718078 453134 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: classic < 1369718091 965048 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i'm not sure if it would be worse if it was just reddit gifs or something < 1369718095 981197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: the prettier quasicrystal thing is when you stand back < 1369718100 316547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Prettierrj < 1369718107 193184 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Plane of Immanence is Deleuze’s poetic term for underlying reality… likely it’s purposely vague about whether that reality is physical, material, or of some other sort. At any rate, it is objective. Concepts seem to be ways to view that reality, and these are subjective. For example, I could examine a tree using the concept: Tree, but I could equally well examine it using the concept: Cells, or the concept: Atoms. Or Energy, or < 1369718128 225430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Science... technology... literature... it's all philosophy when you dig deep enough isn't it? < 1369718133 643801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/2337eae56982599aff1fd457dea38e01/tumblr_mn4viaoIb01s2jikwo1_500.jpg sort of want a big poster of this < 1369718142 768053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: want a backpack with a matasano logo on it?? < 1369718147 867628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1369718153 574209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they going to give me one anyway? < 1369718154 395089 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the great thing is, he has more readers than i ever will < 1369718175 273964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fuckin read that as monsanto < 1369718180 956121 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know what painting that's from? I assume it's some martyrdom < 1369718187 485356 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did too elliott. we can be terrible together < 1369718199 113308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1369718206 356265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah me too often, and everyone else will forever < 1369718219 593267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should merge < 1369718220 19274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1369718247 45000 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1369718257 105278 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite whatever dot tumblr dot com is probably windows95tips, i'm banal < 1369718285 521917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about mnxmnkmnd < 1369718288 296125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's p. good < 1369718299 435297 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who reads text posts? nobody that's who < 1369718334 758145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :textposts.tumblr.com < 1369718336 962893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all pictures < 1369718339 84131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate bicycles < 1369718354 314733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://drilbert.tumblr.com/ < 1369718387 371029 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://twitter.com/TumblrTXT < 1369718397 480350 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369718716 921844 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.alanturing.net/turing_archive/graphics/ibsen.JPEG programming in the 50s sure did suck < 1369718803 913709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to enter Z-Comp? < 1369718858 574028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Is that some programming language? What is it? How does that form work? < 1369718923 26782 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a programming language, it's a cellular automata program, and I have no idea. < 1369718923 845766 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369718985 98452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone figure it out, will a clone be made of the system, implemented in C or something like that? < 1369718999 15099 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369719016 794410 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the computer was a Ferranti Mark I. < 1369719037 872685 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manchester Mark I < 1369719049 178918 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that. < 1369719080 629849 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The design for which became the Ferranti after some modification. < 1369719103 748252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferrari mark i < 1369719115 466499 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loos like the characters are just encoding of pentets < 1369719124 169846 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks* < 1369719127 448812 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an incredible fucking pain < 1369719131 481001 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless of course jumping to conclusions based on the word "Manchester" at the top is a bad idea... < 1369719165 384138 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, when the thing came out a neurosurgeon was like "uh until it can write poetry it's not REALLY a brain" < 1369719189 815476 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could of course be the Manchester Baby - the first computer to make music! < 1369719208 246707 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the program was written by turing, so it could probably be any of them really < 1369719220 794802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pray, Mr. Babbage" would be a good name for an esolang < 1369719225 125059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt esolangs are like bands? < 1369719331 985186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK make some "Pray, Mr. Babbage" or put in list of ideas in the section about idea of names. < 1369719348 728414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i "would be a good name for a language to write quines in when preceded by its quotation" < 1369719355 362148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow my brain < 1369719378 638131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, OK, maybe it is. < 1369719388 681902 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Turing] died while in the middle of this groundbreaking work, leaving a large pile of handwritten notes and some programs. This material is still not fully understood." so link it, jerks < 1369719430 610436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a halting oracle O_O < 1369719447 932301 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2spooky < 1369719455 160328 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no it's probably something about pinecone developmenet < 1369719465 464228 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very groundbreaking < 1369719474 856942 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was!!! < 1369719491 1896 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you biologists have weird priorities < 1369719511 964251 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude pinecones are hard < 1369719528 91831 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369719600 49068 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369719684 709388 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up on pine cones < 1369719686 181633 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1369720106 95479 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369720199 825533 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369720276 48485 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369720304 355991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The theme of Z-Comp #1 is "siderotil"; but maybe this is no good... what are your idaes about it? < 1369720327 434000 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :litoredis < 1369720715 166864 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369720801 25065 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369720903 145257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFORM UNTIL 0 = 1 DISPLAY "Penus " WITH NO ADVANCING END-PERFORM. < 1369720961 819728 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cobol? < 1369720982 881211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "WITH NO ADVANCING" mean? < 1369720997 30394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1369720998 856102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no newline < 1369721006 430232 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how verbose < 1369721021 743602 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.entcobol.doc_3.4%2Ftpbeg16b.htm it's cool how it might have a newline anyway < 1369721046 595582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That was my guess. < 1369721330 125171 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369721401 770338 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369721755 640997 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369721796 716171 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369723036 3707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/1ca57f7a260c72d36d96 anyone want to run this on an actual mainframe :) < 1369723060 882246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainframe is usually a function < 1369723079 739712 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not the same if it's not handwritten on one of those cards < 1369723884 748011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mashable.com/2013/05/23/hp-envy-touchsmart-14/ < 1369723966 173138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1369724815 269723 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1369724828 362090 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369725239 63344 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I read OotS and don't play D&D (not counting D&D-inspired games such as Neverwinter Nights... but I hardly knew what I was doing when I was playing that anyway) < 1369725505 998406 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-98796.html < 1369725509 781967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I make recordings of D&D games, well, it is almost related to your statement, I suppose. < 1369725790 790873 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1369725860 548115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a total of the votes based on something between the sum of votes and the average of votes; what would be a good way? < 1369726297 747885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a messages posted on Wiktionary: "Wikitionary has too many made up words. I am presuming to make word games easier to play." < 1369726544 236001 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369726638 233215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i can't sleep because i don't want to miss the interview. send help < 1369726829 710965 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is help in the form of juggalos ok? they don't have anything else to do while waiting for their test results so i could tell them to visit Hexham for a few days < 1369726883 640922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What date/time is interview, precisely? I would need to know what it is, please! < 1369726979 71501 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test results? < 1369727057 173717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That was a quote. < 1369727062 474587 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm thinking of proposing 4PM thursday. UTC-5 (EST). if he can't do that he's out fri-sun so the next slot would be the following monday < 1369727070 996513 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow seems too soon < 1369727144 893706 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i guess i meant EDT, not EST < 1369727169 44086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my plans involve not talking < 1369727179 908954 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you are wise, but also boring. < 1369727183 551284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if this wsj person likes #esoteric so much that they decide to stay!! < 1369727189 132530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll never be able to talk in here again < 1369727191 76277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 4pm utc-5 in utc < 1369727196 995064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too tired to think < 1369727201 287556 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 9pm < 1369727204 787392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i will decline to ask about the juggalos < 1369727220 482123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm i could do that < 1369727220 553683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You haven't even been offered! It's rude to decline. < 1369727227 483512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been offered to ask, I mean. < 1369727228 69047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i sleep today and then the day after! < 1369727245 499517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will i be able to sleep tomorrow with the excitement of the wall street journal hanging over me tho < 1369727263 467583 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can propose tomorrow instead of thursday and just get this over with < 1369727270 333006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course it depends on zzo38 and others < 1369727273 344594 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.jsvine.com/ <-- the person < 1369727281 355920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy we're on a first domain name basis now < 1369727289 290851 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he knows who we are it seems fairs < 1369727296 348985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he's actually a programmer < 1369727298 750564 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that we know whos < 1369727300 466479 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1369727304 875791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it a bit less fun < 1369727345 81203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I will be available the following Monday, but probably not Thursday. Now just see what other people think, including yourself, of course. < 1369727352 875292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Chrome extension for declaring "tab bankruptcy" without losing all your links." this is uncomfortably resonant with me < 1369727374 879047 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decline to speculate what he "actually" is, but he contacted me in the capacity of a reporter, saying "I'm a reporter", so that's how I'm treating him < 1369727401 321200 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how is tomorrow (wednesday) for you? < 1369727437 776457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: by "actually" i meant as opposed to not a programmer < 1369727441 621746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as opposed to not a journalist < 1369727454 522384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I might not be able, although it depends what time on Wednesday. < 1369727473 305625 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 4PM EDT? < 1369727490 189927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That time I don't think I will be here; I will probably be on a boat at that time. < 1369727499 52874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose boat? < 1369727515 775593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1369727554 815666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to/from Victoria? < 1369727597 762256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm partial to tomorrow as opposed to thursday, fwiw < 1369727604 329971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no opinion on dates after that < 1369727652 89007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Probably. < 1369727681 471215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's this boat thing? Tell us details. < 1369727712 542926 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll propose 4PM thu and 4PM the following mon and let the chips fall where they may < 1369727834 680887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369727837 351991 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok, then maybe let's just go with tomorrow < 1369727874 280885 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably the Friendship Boat hth < 1369727879 623214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ripping off a plaster < 1369727889 231366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Since when do you say hth? < 1369728122 678979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Quick, stop breathing, you'll catch the hth bug. < 1369728122 961012 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i shall help also.... ...oh well! come again! these are my friends! come on, now! < 1369728167 70224 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no....fungot is happy to help............. < 1369728167 438890 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez! what's the big deal? so what if we won a war out there! can't it see i love my daddy! the children are going! < 1369728211 116238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Also please don't mess up that interview thing it would be bad PR. < 1369728211 415673 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to the northwest of this cape. he took back the medal from the frog king. and i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez! < 1369728219 900233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geez. < 1369728287 98550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleaning up my desk here yesterday (moving offices), I found a flow-chart of fungot. < 1369728287 498476 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shall we get back to the present? he's been known. we reptites will rule the world in a mere door that keeps us bound, hand, foot...and tongue kid? ...oh, it's you, isn't this morbid? the great adventurer toma levine rests in a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's statue before my shift. i hate! ayla not like... < 1369728351 505419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: terrorised by people telling you about how speech recognition sucks too much? < 1369728414 854984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to dignify that with a response other than "I'm not going to dignify that with a response other than '...'". < 1369728450 213412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png <- flowchart < 1369728450 488165 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: see? i like marle better than " princess,' the chosen time has come! he's strong and he's gonna thrash those monsters! yea! is it? < 1369728458 968833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Speech recognition is pretty great. < 1369728467 176205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't listen to elliott, he's just trying to "get you down". < 1369728512 12446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Tell me about speech recognition: Does there *have* to be a short (noticeable) delay between saying something and it being recognized? < 1369728517 739520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every system I've seen has had that sort of delay. < 1369728536 757489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you restrict the vocabulary significantly? Say, a few words, or a few dozen words. < 1369728571 924477 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a button for each word and just dang press the button < 1369728585 934268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a few dozen words? < 1369728588 769027 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hire a dog to press the button for you < 1369728593 317760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot ta buttons < 1369728599 779124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs are expensive < 1369728625 616744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume limited-vocabulary recognition could be made to happen pretty fast, if you wanted to pay attention to that. < 1369728706 878517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was wondering about using it as part of the interface of a real-time-strategy sort of game. < 1369728710 889879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with a touch screen. < 1369729122 601845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there's some inherent delay involved in the feature extraction, and figuring out if the utterance has actually ended (if the vocabulary is limited and unambiguous enough, that'd be easier), and of course the actual decoding (but computers are fast)... I suppose as a ballpark figure a hundred milliseconds or two sounds reasonable. (Don't quote me on that.) < 1369729153 739821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :100ms is reasonable, I guess? < 1369729188 356390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you limit the vocabulary such that it's prefix-free etc. then maybe you don't need to worry about figuring out if the utterance has ended. < 1369729463 721650 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369729598 924201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that, with sufficient cleverness, you could improve the response time of large-vocabulary continuous speech systems a lot too, it's just that people perhaps haven't really seen the need to. (And if you're too aggressive about it, you'd probably start getting sub-optimal results.) < 1369729619 675514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sub-optimaller. They're already quite sub-optimal. < 1369729640 114758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is that "subler-optimal"?) < 1369729804 905944 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse < 1369729868 387932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Würst. < 1369729885 314765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so is it tomorrow? < 1369729954 658000 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what i'm just about to propose but dude is PROBABLY still asleep right now < 1369729994 105072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dude's probably wide awake out of pure excitement < 1369729995 467266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo. < 1369730015 851587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime cpressey < 1369730017 766478 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for cpressey is Tue May 28 09:34:03 2013 < 1369730030 732908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Taneb < 1369730031 213939 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Tue May 28 09:33:50 < 1369730039 660269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1369730058 252994 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's 20 seconds behind GMT < 1369730074 819794 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doesn't have a year < 1369730119 293149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot < 1369730119 624727 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: time to shove off! the name's bandeau. here to build the ocean palace? < 1369730124 210030 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fungot is Whoa, man. < 1369730133 907796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, snap, it was "dude". < 1369730164 755442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds behind GMT, and timeless. < 1369730175 389813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a gender-neutral version of "man" < 1369730193 11378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we could agree on "oman" as a compromise. < 1369730198 274132 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: comrade < 1369730205 505251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, comrade < 1369730396 750942 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sent, just in case he's as excited as we are and it up at, er, 4:40AM on a tuesday < 1369730403 437026 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is up < 1369730435 260466 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect a reply in 4 hrs < 1369730582 219397 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As I mentioned, the most newsworthy event recently is that, apparently, we're newsworthy, even if it is only for a "gosh, aren't they quirky" piece. Sort of post-modern, isn't it? Heisennews." < 1369730625 143513 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being the most intelligent fragment of my missive < 1369730873 929427 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his career appears to have begun in 2008... combine that with an image search for good measure, and how old do you think he is? < 1369730926 686295 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we're not hiring him, i think we're totally allowed to be rampantly ageist < 1369730955 100664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello there, logreading WSJ guy. < 1369730961 483846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure that'll happen.) < 1369731098 901052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'm gonna go ahead and guess: OLDER THAN ME < 1369731116 981623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yo can you op me just for the duration of this whole WSJ thing < 1369731119 476846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :special occasion etc < 1369731632 192767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds kind of potentially disastrous, doesn't it? < 1369731675 126935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't crossing the street < 1369731743 464495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 should be the only op for the duration < 1369731898 566768 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1369732221 167907 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm gonna go ahead and guess: YOUNGER THAN ME < 1369732262 889592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, that establishes it. he's older than the youngest person possible and younger than the oldest person possible < 1369732271 495893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is old? < 1369732298 831545 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think technically oerjan may be the oldest person possible < 1369732317 124301 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what part of "Befunge-93" do you not... wait, didn't you say you're, like, not into esolangs, or something? < 1369732337 719046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think technically I'm the oldest person possible, because the universe didn't exist before I was born. < 1369732358 961134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you sure you're not as old as oerjan? < 1369732366 415907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're *that* Chris Pressey. < 1369732366 716433 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, a non-moralist *and* a solipsist, that's very, very good < 1369732394 422372 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it came up once and he's like a year or two older than me < 1369732412 27147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh snap, valuable info's re: the secret of cpressey's age < 1369732418 639300 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i *think*. don't go on my word. th' dementia, y'know < 1369732430 473832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing it in my #esoteric database. it's like boily's but less specific < 1369732510 129905 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also put in that Chris is short for Christine < 1369732528 547513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt the factual accuracy of this statement, cpressey < 1369732536 341442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote "chris" < 1369732538 174687 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :263) elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. < 1369732568 328897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quotes cpressey | shuf < 1369732570 504628 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :123) INTERNET YAY Said like a once-drowning man, rescued, taking a breath. \ 310) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 136) "Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kos < 1369732607 18057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I demand a wisdom entry about cpressey. < 1369732648 906714 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quotes are kind of lame and i'm pretty sure i never said some of them < 1369732657 541293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like your quotes < 1369732662 880461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 136 < 1369732663 712737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the zomgmodules ones < 1369732664 339376 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :136) "Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo." alise: I I was going to say something then your last line floored me < 1369732677 645583 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the ZOMGMODULES ones might be better, naturally < 1369732677 955919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just love modules that much < 1369732686 339583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you been to any more pycons < 1369732699 609295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you should move to san francisco btw < 1369732702 163440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they bring out the best in you < 1369732721 208986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "heh" stand for "hope elliott helps"? < 1369732762 37426 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, about that... so you know the guy sitting next to the guy in the donglegate photo... oh, i've already said too much < 1369732786 867648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that you < 1369732800 157531 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rumours are cheap < 1369732814 579219 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369732862 817144 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok shachaf, *why* do you think i should move to SF of all places < 1369732882 89703 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ZOMGMODULES < 1369732883 904422 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :263) elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. \ 264) ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. \ 314) I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything Yes. And the best thi < 1369732898 599574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro tip: `pastequotes < 1369732908 401009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, why wouldn't you < 1369732909 284294 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1369732909 862232 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1369732921 398136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste quotes < 1369732923 413456 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/quotes < 1369732946 465992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEWS FLASH: First non-airport Starbucks in Finland is going to open, at a bookstore in Helsinki, later this year! < 1369732949 966269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like we're getting a small taste of civilization also here in the PERIPHERIES. < 1369732968 137285 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes ZOMGMODULES < 1369732973 572688 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32352 < 1369733027 267352 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee = civilization, no doubt about it < 1369733030 767327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: man, remember Falcon. < 1369733034 749005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times. < 1369733179 146916 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was when the Great Language Explosion of the 2010's was just beginning < 1369733225 143360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: remember ooc?? < 1369733260 95878 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as well < 1369733280 558695 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember not wanting to bootstrap it mainly < 1369733314 582468 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was ooc the first language with pink unicorns? i ask because these days THEY ALL HAVE PINK UNICORNS HAVE YOU NOTICED < 1369733328 455135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was the summer of twenty-ten," like the song goes. < 1369733493 121289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which song < 1369733603 186866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so this whole cornwall thing... < 1369733615 668876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I have no idea how anyone could actually end up in cornwall < 1369733635 859238 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's consistent with the fact that i have no idea how i ended up here < 1369733687 319218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you sailing solo around the world and got lost < 1369733747 74706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you considered ending up in san francisco instead < 1369733809 720906 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yes. i was trying to get to Hexham but was not sufficiently familiar with the region names in the BBS shipping forecast. which is totally my fault because they're listed off at the beginning of "The Good Ship Lifestyle" by Chumbawamba < 1369733849 127807 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i do generally prefer to be *outside* of massive reality tunnels if i can help it, thanks < 1369733891 502437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist: you're inside a massive reality tunnel right now < 1369733899 183493 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast_and_sea/shipping_forecast for your review < 1369733916 876184 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not THAT massive. i mean jesus < 1369733933 574159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus is p. massive < 1369733952 290174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ok so next question, why the hell were you trying to get to hexham < 1369733971 956706 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1369733976 715313 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think we're all trying to answer that question in our own way, aren't we? < 1369733983 147269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1369733990 866820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even trying to get to hexham < 1369733997 578990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very easy question to answer for me! < 1369734028 611558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is trying to get out of hexham < 1369734041 461226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants to come to san francisco in order to obtain hugs < 1369734121 614405 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BBC < 1369734126 574705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go to sf for kmc and nothing less < 1369734132 813815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no I liked the idea that you still use BBSes. < 1369734135 694711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is coming to sf................tomorrow < 1369734137 466703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that they offer shipping forecasts. < 1369734159 544526 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: excellent point, i like that idea too < 1369734256 721285 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent too much time on Tumblr. I'm just imagining people saying, "Johnlock looks to cxontinue strong, with very little Doctor/Clara" < 1369735030 725278 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369736615 399780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369737037 347378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hi you must be here tomorrow 9pm < 1369737055 828027 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming he gets back to me with "yes that'll work" < 1369737071 196640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have an exam right after that... < 1369737084 718864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is that pacific time? help < 1369737111 928898 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think it's 1PM PDT < 1369737135 319972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is even happening tomorrow 9pm... < 1369737136 747224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's not in ~10 hours < 1369737140 5026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1369737149 72318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in ~32 hours? < 1369737149 750637 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arctic time < 1369737156 606890 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://jsvine.com/ may join the channel then < 1369737178 822655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1369737186 277127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be there as best i can < 1369737187 638809 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly you have exams that late? that's, like, after the watershed < 1369737255 740320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, er, mixed up am and pm < 1369737271 361294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're going to `relcome him right < 1369737290 236450 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369737344 495118 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo the fact that i always expect `relcome to do it in an Astro-from-the-Jestons voice < 1369737349 179377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you confirm it's in ~32 hours? < 1369737352 982905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1369737362 250920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that. < 1369737366 310773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~34? < 1369737368 552380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1369737370 920695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1369737372 441971 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -e 's/bow/words/' -i bin/relcome < 1369737372 513689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~36? < 1369737374 405531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1369737376 262094 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1369737381 661370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, man you're so old < 1369737383 80769 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i will confirm as soon as he confirms < 1369737396 68550 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: old like monoids < 1369737398 542195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time you're talking about! Is it in ~10 hours? < 1369737432 915399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that all about, rainwords is totally sucky compared to rainbow, it's all ORDERLY and SUCH. < 1369737435 261977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome test < 1369737437 976263 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​6test: 4Welcome 7to 8the 9international 2hub 13for 6esoteric 4programming 7language 8design 9and 2deployment! 13For 6more 4information, 7check 8out 9our 2wiki: 13http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 6(For 4the 7other 8kind 9of 2esoterica, 13try 6#esoteric 4on 7irc.dal.net.) < 1369737438 759740 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, it's ~24 more hours than that < 1369737439 166543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew. < 1369737440 439422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1369737443 532466 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1369737450 398548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there was literally never any question of not relcoming him < 1369737454 842509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even conceivable < 1369737487 745372 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relcome ru reh rinternational rub ror resoteric rogramming ranguage resign < 1369737488 690265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he'll use a crappy client that doesn't do colours though < 1369737492 801299 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... rorge < 1369737564 816240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wehlcohme | rainbow # rehlcohme < 1369737567 974722 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​03Wehlcohme to the 11ihntehr11nahtiohna04hl 08huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahg07e d06ehsihgn a02hnd dehployhmeh08nt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, che07hck ouht ouhr 14wih12ki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge04. (Fohr the ohthehr ki04hnd ohf ehsoht10e02hrihca, try #ehsohtehri06hc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.05) < 1369737569 210164 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: old enough to have far too many hanna-barbera memories stuck in the ol' bean < 1369737654 883272 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | bork < 1369737657 812863 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bork: command not found < 1369737684 129606 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apropos silly text filter < 1369737685 963472 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1369737719 771583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env LC_ALL=fi_FI.UTF-8 apropos something < 1369737721 542320 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos: opastepolkujen asetustiedostoa /etc/manpath.config ei voi avata < 1369737730 955188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay for translations. < 1369737797 869606 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot text filter < 1369737797 972309 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! whadd'ya mean she's gone! < 1369737828 13409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: were the 80s actually real (important question) < 1369737876 970091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they were not "i guarantee it" < 1369737877 236142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they were < 1369737894 149430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine going straight from the 70s to the 90s? < 1369737899 498752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8 apropos something < 1369737901 97133 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1369737902 696941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless bot < 1369737920 730638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh the 70s didn't exist either < 1369737921 994014 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.227.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369737962 709300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying we went straight from the 60s to the 90s? < 1369737966 212669 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | zalgo < 1369737967 450569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no buffer at all? < 1369737968 562582 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :W͗͝e͊͆l̑̇c̘͡oͫ͡m̹͏e̐̀ ͒ͅt̹̊ō̴ ͍̬t̜̃h̜́e̙̓ ̰͆ị̊n̦ͬt͍̰e͈̚ṛ͝n͂̕a̸ͩt̶ͧi̲̝o͒҉nͨ͋a̲͂l͈͛ ͓̿ḧ̤ü̘b̟͋ ͭͅf͎͇o̿̿r̛͍ ̟̩e̷̟ṣ̈o̡̰t͖͌ê͕r̪͡i̶̱c͇̼ ̍͠p̲̈́r͕͑o̼҉g̖̈r̳ͦa̶̲m̞ͮm͈̜í̖ṇͫg̨̒ ́̽lͯ̀aͧ̏n̗̏g̼̲u̖͗a̜͆g̪͢e͔็ ̰ͅd͆̏e̱̔s̸ < 1369737975 30768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh you're not quite getting the pattern here < 1369737980 881577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me give you a hint the 60s didn't exist either < 1369737990 136519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the 90s exist < 1369737992 66155 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: shachaf = solipsist < 1369737993 294861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing without punctuation is so weird help i don't understand it < 1369737996 37491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some of them < 1369738009 865847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm not a solipsist! < 1369738032 542860 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of special-case time-line solipsism then < 1369738040 550471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i could see going straight to the 90s from pretty much anywhere < 1369738047 853507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make as much sense < 1369738064 182571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw no come on < 1369738072 911491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they followed on pretty well from the 80s < 1369738085 273299 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world was created ex nihilo next tuesday < 1369738112 257830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes but they didn't proceed to make any sense, did they < 1369738117 38766 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes like this: 1899, 1931, 1996, 1943, 2001, 1988, 1984, 1919, 1973, and so on < 1369738118 625707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically the logical continuation of the 80s except the cold war abruptly ended and everyone was kind of confused about what to do now < 1369738127 568387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been born in the 90s < 1369738132 505858 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they didn't exist, I must be a lie < 1369738133 959147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and given that the 80s definitely don't make any sense, you need to explain the 80s for "you can only explain the 90s with the 80s" < 1369738144 715245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: now the question is, do the 70s explain the 80s? i contend: no. < 1369738161 708174 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1369738161 887594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, nobody can explain the 80s < 1369738170 486362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are forced to conclude that either the 80s or the 90s spontaneously came to exist without making sense or following regular chronology. < 1369738187 403338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems reasonable to entertain the possibility that we went straight from the 70s to the 90s < 1369738199 526792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is no less absurd than going straight from the 70s to the 80s < 1369738204 255188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.Q. < 1369738209 516551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: everyone in here was born in the 90s < 1369738215 314851 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what y'all find so inexplicable about the 80s < 1369738247 602846 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dreaded "infinite digression" < 1369738249 445551 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow suspenders? diff'rent strokes? thatcherism? < 1369738273 632989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well... can you *explain* the 80s < 1369738303 847092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything needs to be explainable < 1369738324 861971 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explains shachaf patiently < 1369738345 692338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when are you moving to SF? < 1369738346 559324 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 00s definitely existed < 1369738348 878349 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember them < 1369738349 691451 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369738364 921351 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do your memories exist < 1369738369 130389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1369738370 789071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's ok < 1369738404 167423 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dresdencodak.com/2006/12/03/dungeons-and-discourse/ < 1369738407 159113 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369738448 312874 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1369738448 384826 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1369738450 793507 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt no urge read beyond the first row of panels, am i jaded? < 1369738494 190563 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think I posted the wrong one < 1369738494 805970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at the art < 1369738496 456213 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dresdencodak.com/2009/01/27/advanced-dungeons-and-discourse/ < 1369738499 277912 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tbh my though immediately after it loaded was "wtf harry potter with boobs" < 1369738529 365768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much the entire point of dresden codak these days < 1369738547 930238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how "these days" is being used in reference to a URL with "2006" in it < 1369738599 429750 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did 2006 exist < 1369738617 878820 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369738642 745315 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369738650 229748 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369738737 904021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i forgot how crazy DC's panel layout is < 1369738822 146102 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey guys! The next page is almost finished, but I’m moving to Portland, OR this week and won’t have access to my computer for the better part of two weeks. To tide you all over (and because you deserve it), here are the full pencils of the next page of Dark Science!" < 1369738835 808943 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thanks < 1369738922 910379 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the "next comic eta" tends to just increase by a month either a few days after or before that next month begins < 1369739104 58906 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369739242 890815 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget the 80's, i submit that the 2010's do not exist < 1369739300 441086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they will cease to exist when the WSJ publishes an article about esolangs < 1369739307 935632 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shachaf, what do you do there in the bay area reality bubble < 1369739351 772026 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a maker < 1369739365 884205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he works at y combinator startups < 1369739431 426400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, a hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer... < 1369739473 96114 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're right, he works at y combinator startups < 1369739494 773919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: help < 1369739496 951100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on < 1369739511 535322 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything needs to be explainable < 1369739615 239578 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(important editorial note: even though i use the word "y'all", i am not a southerner. i just don't like that "standard" english doesn't distinguish between second person singular and second person plural. also sometimes useful: "yonder") < 1369739633 242838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "y'all" too. < 1369739637 222418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes "all y'all". < 1369739640 80602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@en yonder < 1369739642 120018 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "yonder" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1369739642 234722 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yonder < 1369739642 381352 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adv 1: at or in an indicated (usually distant) place (`yon' is < 1369739642 452884 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : archaic and dialectal); "the house yonder"; "scattered < 1369739642 453047 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : here and yon"- Calder Willingham [syn: {yonder}, {yon}] < 1369739644 102743 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3 @more lines] < 1369739668 489447 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, that, and yonder < 1369739680 967861 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less useful than y'all in chat, admittedly < 1369739693 419419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you tried saying "y'all" in cornwall yet < 1369739695 665927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may go badly < 1369739795 622351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: when did you suddenly find time to waste in irc < 1369739834 279981 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: when the wsj guy wanted to interview me and i decided this was the only appropriate venue for that < 1369739844 962167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm glad you came. < 1369739853 461067 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish has ty for second singular and wy for second plural < 1369739853 602447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This place is much better with you around. < 1369739884 634568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the wsj want to interview you < 1369739897 984441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would wsj readers be interested < 1369739986 311686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta grow the mushrooms in something. < 1369740092 834935 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: did you read http://catseye.tc/wsj.html -- he persisted though -- i gather he thinks it would make a great quirky "who'd a thunk it" human interest piece < 1369740210 62589 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i will likely not be here as frequently/continually after this event has passed, just so you're aware < 1369740224 824808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sad. < 1369740229 273480 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuts into my furry fanart time < 1369740229 848998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Will you be anywhere else? < 1369740254 587297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than Hexham/Finland/Cornwall/whatever. < 1369740263 407207 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we'll see < 1369740274 330567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get the wsj guy to convince cpressey to stay < 1369740278 104068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my plan < 1369740317 917457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: By the way, I initially came here due to an interest in esoteric languages. < 1369740323 307159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost the interest after that. < 1369740333 129375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively i'll go down to cornwall and spread the word about modules < 1369740343 964483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really lose the interest. < 1369740348 392486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not active. < 1369740367 880090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have < 1369740372 884423 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it < 1369740377 685874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you nailed it < 1369740479 961677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Your email was so good I sent the link to someone. < 1369740569 37991 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: may i ask who < 1369740573 705481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the e-mail up to the "RATS" bit as the article itself would work well IMO < 1369740610 949770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You may ask but I probably won't answer. Sorry. :-( < 1369740621 418502 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if he thinks it'll make a good human interest story, joke's on him, i'm far from convinced that any of us are human < 1369740664 749858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm definitely human. < 1369740685 652696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents checked shortly after I was born. < 1369740704 787410 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 may be the most human. k think he should definitely be the one doing the interview < 1369740803 557207 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did try to pass the torch to him, but he declined; and the timing might not work for him being here, not if it's going to be tomorrow anyway < 1369741058 692045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think the problem is more in the "interest" part of "human interest story" < 1369741113 262181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the subject is definitely occasionally interesting to us nonhumans here in #esoteric < 1369741314 284643 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not UNinteresting to be informed that, oh yes, those languages that people use to program computers? well some folks make some really weird ones. of course, some folks make gigantic sculptures of tractors out of empty milk cartons, too. < 1369741377 674130 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a programmer, otoh, and you actually have thought about programming, and know some words for programming concepts, then you can get to the interesting things - IF that's your interest. < 1369741455 306279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Can you fix my sleep, by the way? < 1369741463 634731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so, now that you are retired you are going to donate your riches to promising young esolangers right < 1369741466 843332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :charity and all that < 1369741478 745883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The lens fund isn't enough for you? < 1369741488 214181 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably not elliott: probably not < 1369741492 800065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any dependently-typed esolangs? < 1369741511 666728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: reconsider. on the latter account only < 1369742073 542131 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw hi Deewiant < 1369742079 978225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1369742085 148132 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not Deewiant < 1369742096 380841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1369742103 138936 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You < 1369742109 556404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking to yourself? < 1369742124 146023 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1369742474 49321 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369742841 640505 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1369742901 188338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369742951 582827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you have to ask the wsj guy The Question. < 1369742960 250769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just letting you know. < 1369742968 88413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What's The Question? < 1369742973 297114 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have somebody from the wsj here? < 1369743005 879320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, we will. tentatively tomorrow at 9 pm UTC, or so I hear. < 1369743018 85981 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the one I constantly nag you with, and to which elliott is the least coöperative. < 1369743022 445407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wait, is it 8 or 10 pm BST < 1369743030 22033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST? < 1369743051 573333 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? BST < 1369743053 632053 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369743067 518656 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. kernel upgrade. < 1369743069 143472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1369743129 164436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boiled Standard Time. < 1369743179 827897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369743410 913807 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by the way, I think now is a good time to ask you the The Question: what are your approximative geographic coördinates, and body weigh? < 1369743480 423144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :british summer time < 1369743539 1052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What's with diæreses? < 1369743544 58394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the WSJ, not the New Yorker. < 1369743558 468608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cpressey can you get us a New Yorker interview < 1369743570 767030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get #esoteric on the cover of Time, please? < 1369743584 334837 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was informed that it's a longstanding tradition of this channel. < 1369743594 129606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1369743595 833966 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: British summer time < 1369743607 160461 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is GMT + 1 < 1369743715 744337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Approximately: 0N 0W 0kg < 1369743736 905976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a few days I ago I mentioned my exact address in the channel. < 1369743763 39783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes shachaf < 1369743768 418083 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32467 < 1369743778 2967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. < 1369743783 73722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs shachaf < 1369743797 68267 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26557 < 1369743825 860315 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs 2013-05.*?shachaf < 1369743842 784655 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15168 < 1369743856 831368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAURGH! < 1369743950 958852 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenue cpressey < 1369743952 370323 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenue: not found < 1369743966 464556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. looks like my translation of `welcome disappeared... < 1369743973 473667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tervetuloa boily < 1369743974 935543 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tervetuloa: not found < 1369743982 91141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Are you Belgian? < 1369744079 491861 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm as non-belgian than Koen_. < 1369744092 338050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as non-belgian than Koen_? < 1369744095 646675 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ < 1369744109 414533 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily's an american belgian < 1369744118 339359 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms...
< 1369744129 757070 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm one CD away from cpressey. < 1369744704 230772 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1369744771 363391 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1369745010 615414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.debian.org/~stapelberg/2013/05/27/systemd-survey-results.html "Top concerns -- 4. I have a problem with systemd upstream and/or Lennart in particular" < 1369745109 482044 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: concern 2 is a good one, and one I didn't know about too. < 1369745232 89363 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369745718 744082 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1369745767 87895 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alls i know is, right now, 4PM in NY = 9PM in GB < 1369745785 137419 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously not RIGHT right now. this time of year < 1369745822 917153 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.worldtimezone.com/ < 1369745921 741725 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shiny! < 1369745951 554915 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like there are little bits of greenland where it just jumps 2 timezones < 1369746119 790336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there much recorded music whose copyright has expired? < 1369746238 137590 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue 28 May 14:03:57 BST 2013 < 1369746545 298738 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mar mai 28 09:08:58 EDT 2013 < 1369747618 921002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how iran decides to be halfway between two timezones < 1369747692 279222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was a point at which the uk was seriously considering permanently switching to UTC+1, but this was vetoed by scotland) < 1369747999 318604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wow < 1369748002 238382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fucking ruined it < 1369748005 804380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would it still have dst < 1369748014 178892 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dst is evil. < 1369748625 801688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've generally used something that I think was timeanddate.com for across-time-zone scheduling. < 1369748739 79182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "abolish DST in Finland" petition is currently #7 (of the active ones) when ranked by signatures on the official Finnish "petitions to the gummint" page. < 1369748824 204222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(16607 signatures; 50k are needed before the parliament is obligated to... "process" one; they've been collecting since Dec 3, 2012; it closes Jun 3, 2013; they're so not going to make it.) < 1369748830 571509 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be something like "Tee sanat helpompi ymmärtää." < 1369748859 155438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should presumably be more like "tee sanoista helpompia ymmärtää." < 1369748953 823521 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does finland even *have* daylight < 1369748980 277946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does finland even < 1369749001 519136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let gays marry" is the only one with >50k (151644) votes. (Currently they have a thing called "registered partnership" that's missing some features of "real marriage" that I can't quite remember. < 1369749010 7596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1369749012 566909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1369749055 685230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the sun is shining and it's like 24 °C (75 °F for you funyuns) outside. < 1369749129 987562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1369749134 523652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1369749147 794885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is, still. < 1369749218 704895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the summer, we've got more daylight we know what to do with, you could even say. < 1369749234 552210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I understand some people find it hard to sleep here or something?) < 1369749286 975280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need a certain type of curtain. Like WWII blackout curtains. I was in Helsinki for summer, the hotel did not have adequate curtains and I'm already a light sleeper. I did not have fun." --Internet. < 1369749381 428081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to go shobbing. -> < 1369749444 14135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, sorry. please wait a few moments while I summon some deepsea creature... ♪ < 1369749455 378871 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369749466 258076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, it's going to say 22 and prove I'm a big liar. < 1369749473 546081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1369749473 620700 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1369749473 999850 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 281350Z 09014KT CAVOK 22/04 Q1016 NOSIG < 1369749474 240033 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 281350Z 09014KT CAVOK 22/04 Q1016 NOSIG < 1369749475 993188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1369749478 206787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1369749504 49567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still quite hot! < 1369749511 274680 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and about that plural thing, see, even gtranslate's confused! < 1369749515 339412 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1369749515 695436 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 281300Z 14003KT 30SM FEW240 14/06 A3020 RMK CI1 SLP226 < 1369749525 106573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here. 14 above zero! can you imagine! < 1369749533 909124 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stupid canadian weather. *grmbl*) < 1369749572 231721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to do our South-of-France/Switzerland trip real soon now, and at the moment it seems to be colder there than here, which is rather unlikely. < 1369749593 854323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LFMN < 1369749594 467121 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFMN 281330Z 17004KT 140V200 9999 FEW025 SCT056 BKN083 17/11 Q1008 NOSIG < 1369749648 662465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sad. Well, -> < 1369749832 815635 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck shobbing < 1369749833 130144 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1369749836 416229 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck well < 1369749837 272560 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the song of the same name by Frankie Goes to Hollywood, see here. < 1369749843 501668 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1369749951 532155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1369749981 360835 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KMRB < 1369749981 788955 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMRB 281353Z 07003KT 10SM FEW055 OVC100 14/12 A3017 RMK AO2 RAB31E45 SLP214 P0000 T01440122 < 1369750164 396096 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck KMRB < 1369750164 602996 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1369750183 431659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: near Harper's Ferry WV < 1369750222 944412 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hi! < 1369750229 546143 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just missing your body weigh now :D < 1369750231 963126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1369750238 834465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1369750244 92456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1369750254 374230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont know where i live < 1369750274 75917 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an educated guess. < 1369750300 243932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your guess < 1369750304 785990 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMRB. < 1369750319 877555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even close < 1369750322 455821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1369750435 133547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would also like to know my body weight < 1369750442 24450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no scale here < 1369750478 3613 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1369750629 445697 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1369750640 457403 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369750640 569024 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1369750682 84584 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 249 seconds < 1369750682 84676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 249 seconds < 1369750683 97536 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 249 seconds < 1369750683 97627 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 249 seconds < 1369750684 376518 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 249 seconds < 1369750684 376687 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 249 seconds < 1369750687 491565 :comex`!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1369750690 799407 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369750698 111755 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1369750706 85705 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369750706 462188 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1369750706 534054 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1369750709 425149 :comex`!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex < 1369750711 223370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369750723 717584 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1369752951 647541 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369753395 719029 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369753584 240429 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome jsvine < 1369753587 811696 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​03jsvine: Welco05me t09o the 11internati10onal 03hub for esoter02ic14 13programmi02n14g lan13guage des13ign13 and deploym14en07t! Fo05r07 more infor07mat08i04on, c03heck out o09ur wik10i: http:/11/e03solangs.org/wiki/Main_P05age. (For the other kind of e07soterica, try #esoteric on i06rc.06dal.net.)08 < 1369753613 406828 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, and thanks for the welcome! < 1369753613 817457 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: I got your email, 4PM EDT tomorrow (basically, 24h from now) is confirmed. < 1369753643 703012 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, timezone: I meant 29 hr from now. < 1369754037 274826 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome message has a . in the link, fail < 1369754886 552140 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :molpysnakes. after ~728 pages, the thread is still going strong. I am vaguely disturbed. < 1369756721 673578 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369757292 31569 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eavaabvfejcyxhht QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369757292 31733 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ivjpvuhwrpfxrgjz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369757292 31815 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fthhzlkuimoqzlvo QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369757295 446953 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mqbrtgkixpxqmusa QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369757452 50523 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369757682 696530 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1369757752 971079 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1369758423 80077 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369758580 703193 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369758964 258899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1369759105 275924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome jsvine < 1369759108 695106 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14jsvin04e: Welcome to th06e internatio09nal hub for esote02r03ic programming lan14gua04g06e 12de12sign an11d11 07d04eployme13nt! F03or m12or14e12 information10, check out our 05wiki: htt11p://eso03lang14s.org/08wiki/Main_P03age. (F12or th09e oth10er kind of 06esoterica, try #eso02teric on i11r11c.dal.net.) < 1369759549 910684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we already relcomed jsvine < 1369759554 439538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i wasn't looking < 1369759702 347860 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear relcoming might be a relude to rickraining < 1369759890 681883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully he hasn't made any brainfuck derivatives < 1369759913 729286 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rickraining... or rickrolling < 1369759951 331034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rickraining, when rick astleys rain from the sky < 1369759976 489228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I hope we give rickrolling up. Those who still do it let society down. I'll run away and desert any friend who does it. < 1369760027 916997 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: according to wikipedia, "The meme has helped to revive Astley's career." how can that be a bad thing? < 1369760137 412176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :List of ideas gives ideas about logic of type systems, such as fuzzy logic, and "type correct unless type Y is also used", or making exceptions with logic. How would you do these things? < 1369760173 889261 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamfistedly. < 1369760204 868641 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: shachaf asked earlier if there were any dependently typed esolangs, though < 1369760267 455802 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there are. it's a bit hard to implement, and, being an active research area, a bit hard to figure out good ways to fiddle with it < 1369760277 914663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try every dependently-typed language amirite < 1369760445 644299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think recursive triggers is a useful feature of SQL, isn't it? < 1369760471 991966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your opinions of writing RPG computer games in SQL? SQL seems not a bad programming language for doing so. < 1369760654 274808 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... are there any database engines that can do I/O in stored procedures? i've never thought about even trying that < 1369760727 309696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could have external functions for doing I/O. < 1369760739 969459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or virtual table modules. < 1369760940 776465 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be content with whatever method, as long as i can run an EXPLAIN PLAN that reports the optimal method for getting out of the dungeon alive. < 1369761046 421447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find stored procedures to be a useful feature of SQL (and SQLite doesn't use it anyways). The flow control of stored procedures doesn't seem necessary either; but one thing I have done is to make a virtual table module containing all 64-bit integers, and using this to make counted loops. < 1369761095 772160 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's easy. you grab the orb, teleport like crazy until you land right on top of a staircase, then get killed anyway by the ungodly amounts of major demons and demon lords and liches that spawned while you were teleporting. < 1369761144 707851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean a roguelike game, though (although that may be possible too). < 1369761178 54372 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369761388 327181 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could it be a RPG with clowns? what would be some good clown stats? < 1369761403 23295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite has only FOR EACH ROW triggers and not FOR EACH STATEMENT triggers. I don't know why FOR EACH STATEMENT triggers would be useful anyways. SQLite also doesn't have updateable views; views are read-only unless there is a trigger to tell it what to do when it is written. I think using triggers like this is a more useful way, and I have created write-only views for this purpose. < 1369761446 362719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I suppose it could, although I don't know the stats; anyways, what stats are available and what to use also depend on the rules of the game. < 1369761548 956970 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kqonmasfdgkzqtrc JOIN :#esoteric < 1369761620 563310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A feature that SQLite does not have (and I don't know if any other SQL engines have) is views that can be overridden with other views and then restored. < 1369762172 367129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things, such as making triggers that create and drop triggers, can be faked using existing features, though. < 1369762447 985133 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nviqvhruvafcdpmt JOIN :#esoteric < 1369762457 935073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any Verilog programming? < 1369762593 902734 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369762594 13393 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1369762594 85147 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1369762798 898234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369762869 187411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I do. < 1369762869 405940 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1369763447 539645 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm sure he'll remember the context for that < 1369763469 681559 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qinzajilplgwfkmr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369763548 900879 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's far from the worse @tell I did. < 1369763569 50547 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs boily.*?@tell < 1369763596 337691 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4006 < 1369763655 446870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fond memories of «2012-12-21.txt:19:40:46: @tell taneb bananas, mangos, kiwifruit, korean, nostradamus.». < 1369763698 881423 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was just going to say, that's kind of a fascinating link, right there. < 1369763734 406488 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho I'm ashamed to say that I have no clue in fungot what I was reminding him about. < 1369763734 553628 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: must think of a way to the ocean palace! and if you wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call that the chrono trigger. it is r66-y? cool? who knows what would become of my mystics? i must win! < 1369763743 514869 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1369763743 618810 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1369763803 162917 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that fungot flowchart that you found, is it worth scanning in? maybe HackEgo could produce a link to it, as its knowledge of fungot. < 1369763803 668187 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: o the input/ output functions. by setting this bit to 1 < 1369763834 477827 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't keep me in suspense! < 1369763834 847186 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it is important to affect the printing of shifted characters. < 1369763839 798650 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1369763864 295975 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :et voilà. the Truth was Unfold, and the Printing was Shifted in Character. < 1369763904 889401 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1369763993 294596 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcom surma < 1369763995 242456 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcom: not found < 1369763998 697065 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome surma < 1369764001 251159 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :surma: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1369764558 222688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's printed out from a GraphViz-generated image, scanning it in would be kind of a "wooden table" thing to do. < 1369764771 18373 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369764801 524430 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, and here i had a romantic notion of a hurriedly-scrawled diagram in pencil with lots of things crossed out < 1369764825 640070 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.14 PART :#esoteric < 1369764951 915553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png or without the "small" if you don't mind a 7485x15016 image. < 1369764952 530475 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gosub200 sprite shape, which normally determines which of these routines can be displayed in another graphics mode is to check the truth of both operands are compared by first pokeing petascii characters, with each function call. < 1369764996 444452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even a high-level graph, it's just an alternative representation of the source code, automatically generated. < 1369765034 810026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With some heuristics for the static analysis of jump tables and such.) < 1369765115 214040 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369765406 949468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC 2132 has some unexpected options. you can specify default IRC servers in a DHCP packet! < 1369765415 763614 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/73/74/ < 1369765435 989563 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s\/73\/74\/// < 1369765577 248355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*// #there goes everything < 1369765713 62850 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369765751 57833 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that way is not feng shui. you have to go with the flow of /s and \s. < 1369765763 461620 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369765922 238757 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you’re escaping slashes in your regexp, you’re using the wrong quote character. < 1369766195 946175 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjsuaoilxshjosju JOIN :#esoteric < 1369766462 608424 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369766473 574089 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.12 PART :#esoteric < 1369766632 28666 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1369766635 643172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god oh god < 1369766645 511308 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have Amnesia: The Dark Descent installed < 1369766647 65936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1369766653 440848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the chinese returned for their graphics card < 1369766676 789837 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just crap at the whole horror genre < 1369766716 430381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm sure you people know these things: when there's a bird that (according to the spec sheet^W^W^WWikipedia) lays "three to five eggs", do they all plop out almost at once, or is there a gap? (Our kitchen window nest now has an egg, but only one.) < 1369766744 246196 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at once. < 1369766754 570596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd wager it depends on the bird? < 1369766768 163324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Why is there just one then? Is there something WORNG? < 1369766808 5817 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The bird explodes, only 3 to 5 eggs remaining, and then the bird reforms mid-air < 1369766830 422691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: That sounds more like an angry bird or something. < 1369766833 230154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bird lays one egg, then that hatches into 5 eggs < 1369767447 359430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: It’s an awesome game. < 1369767463 385903 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, but I'm crap at horror stuff! < 1369767635 118180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_(video_game). it is relaxing. < 1369767651 437651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Boo! < 1369767853 849091 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah! < 1369767884 611148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, that seems pretty crap. < 1369767919 324346 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-162.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369768065 195257 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369768068 258497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you just have to make sure you play it the correct way < 1369768072 850236 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.22 PART :#esoteric < 1369768997 90470 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369769676 842553 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: romantic notions of scrawlings notwithstanding, that is one pretty diagram. < 1369769777 516647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-162.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369769842 96024 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fungot, are you sure you're cool with there being nude portraits of yourself online? < 1369769842 577499 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: for machine language < 1369769879 316282 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369769890 84372 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a good cause < 1369770247 140100 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369770436 178021 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369770491 41980 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369770504 858684 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.15 PART :#esoteric < 1369770504 998627 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369770552 328426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb are you a fan of glee < 1369770563 80283 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not < 1369770581 602757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask < 1369770606 670831 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369770629 415315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was tumblrstalking you and i came across worrying evidence < 1369770686 693057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also have i ordered you to watch farscape because you totally should < 1369770707 738895 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a comic book character < 1369770731 735103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no otherwise i would be talking in bold caps < 1369770751 780809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, small caps < 1369770871 277887 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I find your use of bold disturbing. < 1369770887 984962 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underline like a man! < 1369770968 539504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even do underlines anyway < 1369771044 191722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Ctrl-C U» in weechat. there is B for bold, and C for colours, and some other letters which I don't know the use of. < 1369771108 787677 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse video is heroic < 1369771274 272396 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369771362 67748 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think this is for reverse. < 1369771368 787306 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how can any value ever be less than an epsilon AHHHHH BRAIN BREAKING <-- half an epsilon hth < 1369771474 549090 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "A chat on #esoteric works for me." <-- i have a bad feeling about this. < 1369771494 361968 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you already finished it, that would be good hth < 1369771497 128942 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369771514 49473 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369771620 140668 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why are you tumblr-stalking me < 1369771626 371324 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tumblr is like really boring < 1369771627 944598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1369771646 2357 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo Tumblr-stack Phantom_Hoover < 1369771647 578032 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it jsvine < 1369771647 716546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in an attempt to gain further insights into the person i allow to make death threats in my name over the internet < 1369771686 303709 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i hear Taneb has a really boring tumblr i suggest you fake a more interesting one hth < 1369771708 87260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369771733 444689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes, imo give me control of your tumbl < 1369771734 826988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1369771773 17220 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he's an evil overlord in training what more do you need to know hth < 1369771779 346659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1369771784 654262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine Taneb doing anything evil < 1369771801 770425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd be some kind of terrifyingly cheery enforcer < 1369771823 129448 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have you know, that I can be very evil when I choose to be < 1369771829 966270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really Taneb < 1369771830 681472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1369771852 826505 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't see how cheeriness contradicts evil hth < 1369771868 572557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, have you ever seen Taneb be mean to anyone < 1369771869 341062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1369771876 266306 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I am slowly undermining the credibility of someone I met on IRC by creating a Tumblr account that caricatures him while providing no suggestion that it isn't his < 1369771891 503131 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no real reason other than that I felt like it one day < 1369771894 275880 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsvine.com/ this is probably the journalist < 1369771923 390123 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are pearls before svine < 1369771927 937822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheerful evil is possibly the worst/best kind of evil < 1369771945 180442 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that for evil, Phantom_Hoover < 1369771985 57223 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369772023 405682 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one person who probably heard of us through the grapevine. in song. < 1369772065 514243 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, yep, that's me. < 1369772076 313370 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1369772094 678612 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a dusty tumblr somewhere too... < 1369772112 688641 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall i just ban him preemptively < 1369772152 128217 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, as you can tell, we are a community who, although primarily linked by esoteric programming languages, share a wide variety of interests < 1369772163 219156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including rampant silliness < 1369772173 392935 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems so. I'd expect nothing less. < 1369772181 16275 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: oops, didn't see you in /names, sorry. < 1369772204 686600 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("pearls before svine" is amazing; I've spent most my life around punners, and never heard that one before.) < 1369772257 720323 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll get nowhere with your flattery < 1369772357 476742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will starve before my food is done :( < 1369772390 491462 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is this some kind of cheese that needs to mature for 3 months? < 1369772415 463911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, but it needs to be baked in the oven < 1369772420 259941 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe surströmming < 1369772422 191135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... for 3 months < 1369772425 709713 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1369772448 617698 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, can I ask why you chose to interview this pretty obscure sub-sub-subculture? < 1369772468 99447 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely, Taneb. < 1369772485 395871 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you choose to interview this pretty obscure sub-sub-subculture? < 1369772494 124495 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369772509 780988 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where Taneb surreptitiously (is this the right word?) interviews jsvine and puts it on Phantom_Hoover's tumblr < 1369772511 147815 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few reasons: < 1369772538 247440 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already did a "who reports the reporter" joke oerjan < 1369772538 887863 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- esolangs and esolangers seem to have a sense of humor largely absent from commercial/practical programming/langauges < 1369772552 280687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surely something bad happens if you try to interview a journalist, like putting google into google < 1369772556 546656 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: darn i'm late on today am i not < 1369772580 371377 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- I like puzzles, and esolangs seem like a fun kind of puzzle < 1369772580 800531 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read some cool interviews with jouranlists < 1369772600 110018 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the kind who interviews some dorks on irc, though, unless those dorks are on interpol wanted lists < 1369772627 957646 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you telling me we are not on interpol wanted lists < 1369772680 936826 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- I think the idea that you can program via pictures (i.e., in Piet) might surprise/delight readers < 1369772689 686714 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that was a boring result, i think google could at least have sneaked in a link to recursion < 1369772709 331228 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- I think readers will also be curious why people choose to spend time writing/using "useless" languages < 1369772714 618132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, there's always my coördinate list. do you want to be on it? < 1369772721 113793 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the piet article was just deleted from wikipedia :( < 1369772737 643732 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. sorry. you're already there, although I'm missing your body weigh. < 1369772737 960586 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I didn't! < 1369772738 418040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clear now < 1369772752 966332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine didn't come here by chance < 1369772756 756539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was destiny that sent him < 1369772774 143685 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :destiny and needing a bit of fluff to write about < 1369772778 97479 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though those are some pretty good reasons < 1369772780 492067 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i thought i said i was 82 kg or thereabouts, although i think i've put on a bit again since then < 1369772794 476012 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can always google "recursion" < 1369772799 495955 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369772825 412573 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you have a link to the deletion discussion on wikipedia? < 1369772828 210248 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: just so you know, there are professionals doing similarly weird things. http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.1749 is my favorite example < 1369772828 462776 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ah yes, they still do that one < 1369772882 169908 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: must have missed it last time. thanks for the update! < 1369772896 468324 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, hehe, Piet was got me into esoteric programming < 1369772898 672234 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: just a moment < 1369772905 246487 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like "do a barrel roll" more than i should < 1369772911 499621 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: if anyone wants to email me privately, I'm at jsvine@gmail.com; PGP key on jsvine.com < 1369772915 498217 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it professional to ask him/her/it the The Question? < 1369772915 713149 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Piet_(programming_language) < 1369772924 587550 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: awesome, thanks < 1369772926 982710 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a really broken IRC bot in Piet, but I've lost the source < 1369772953 953333 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it's clear from his website that the answer to the Question would be "no" < 1369772962 977853 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ha, amazing — that sounds like an insanely complex Piet program, no? < 1369772980 379429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a pretty one though < 1369772980 849711 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh well. < 1369772985 274044 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ok, what's The Question? < 1369773000 367938 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you live in Hexham?" < 1369773001 643311 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1369773003 361163 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^src < 1369773010 832644 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get fungot's source again < 1369773011 159844 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is left out, the logical and function. peek is a simple software routine. ( see the entry for the filter and the chart ( figure 3-1) will contain all the words and operators for the convenience of the device number < 1369773011 617394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: eh, no. but I think that Version will do. < 1369773017 66336 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1369773017 171888 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1369773017 243284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet programs tend to be weird spindly webs of static rather than boxy mondrian pictures < 1369773030 846063 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: this bot's written in befunge as you can see there < 1369773064 173436 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Pietbot was one of the ugliest Piet programs going < 1369773068 390884 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of gave up on it < 1369773073 379680 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, jsvine, I'll have to ask you the The Lite Version of The Question: do you live in hexham? < 1369773105 102561 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, gotta google the answer < 1369773164 953050 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hexham's a small town in the north-east of England. Not really significant to anything to do with programming except for a weird coincidence in this channel) < 1369773209 570514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1369773211 986806 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1369773262 67854 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm clearly out of my depth here. < 1369773313 107030 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well. < 1369773317 751188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: `? searches in the collective wisdom db. it has some... interesting definitions in it. < 1369773319 933862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't even talked to zzo yet < 1369773323 776856 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1369773326 200313 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1369773335 784988 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ham < 1369773337 882350 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369773344 826433 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hex < 1369773346 570778 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369773349 843669 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom < 1369773351 799869 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead. < 1369773369 54610 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Piet < 1369773370 628934 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369773373 130295 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Ham is a kind of meat. It is popular in Hexham, among other places. < 1369773374 309939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck < 1369773374 589106 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom < 1369773378 793100 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ < 1369773381 236062 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1369773384 26727 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. < 1369773410 627702 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? northumberland < 1369773412 760671 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumberland may be today a sparsely populated country... but SOON! THE NORTHUMBRAINS SHALL RISE! < 1369773431 120998 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I've got a feeling I wrote that, and "NORTHUMBRAINS" was a typo < 1369773433 945753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT STAYS < 1369773448 681782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? america < 1369773450 823421 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry had to be removed due to a DMCA takedown notice. < 1369773466 20040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`banach-tarski < 1369773467 91369 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: banach-tarski: not found < 1369773470 423024 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1369773471 579982 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Piet is a really colorful programming language." | colorize > wisdom/piet < 1369773472 664468 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1369773475 427666 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: colorize: command not found < 1369773478 760179 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1369773491 978726 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right they renamed it because of the spelling war < 1369773496 547861 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to what, hm < 1369773532 833061 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*rain* < 1369773534 502432 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/rainbow \ bin/rainwords < 1369773537 625862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colurice < 1369773541 772482 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Piet is a really colorful programming language." | rainwords > wisdom/piet < 1369773546 695764 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1369773554 968399 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? piet < 1369773555 45571 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? piet < 1369773558 48469 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​6Piet 4is 7a 8really 9colorful 2programming 13language. < 1369773558 260763 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​6Piet 4is 7a 8really 9colorful 2programming 13language. < 1369773562 972493 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaay! < 1369773626 137195 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting bot < 1369773629 331299 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, perhaps the reason why esolangs seem to have a sense of humour absent from other languages is that silly languages tend to be classified as esoteric < 1369773647 97269 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that explanation < 1369773659 326151 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, serious languages are not without their silliness, for example Python's import antigravity < 1369773660 751790 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any silly languages not classified as esoteric? < 1369773684 365519 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, none spring to mind < 1369773691 360012 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :php *runs away* *notices no one following* < 1369773717 141125 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: forth has that speical nostalgic and weird feeling to it. < 1369773720 733167 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys consider J an esoteric or a serious language? < 1369773733 223441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely serious < 1369773738 9816 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's esoteric in that it's weird, it's serious in that it is seriously intended and used < 1369773738 365757 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And who named these things "esoteric" in the first place?) < 1369773743 429440 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely sesotericious. < 1369773747 382894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, uh < 1369773750 487146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good question < 1369773758 823419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it cpressey? < 1369773764 462826 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: i had a webpage once titled "Esoteric Topics in Computer Programming" < 1369773792 34033 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and the rest is history? < 1369773811 987873 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were there other competing names at the time? < 1369773812 681680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages is quite informative < 1369773822 527612 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest would have been history if the webpages hadn't disappeared off the web. < 1369773830 598388 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i ran a listserv which also went under that name, I think, and, yes. < 1369773832 832916 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: awesome, thanks < 1369773864 401753 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that article inspired me to look up knowlton back when i was in school < 1369773873 316324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read his paper on l6 and found out that nowadays he makes paintings out of shells < 1369773891 369195 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "esoteric" was used only in the sense of "obscure because only a handful of people have the right combination of patience and interest to care enough to know it" < 1369773896 863984 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reasons non-esoteric programmers seem to be less silly include: a) some of the silly ones end up here and b) most programmers are doing it for a living rather than fun < 1369773899 998448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's kind of a dark age between the 70s when intercal was invented and 1993 when the three prototypical modern esolangs were made < 1369773907 128113 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kenknowlton.com/ < 1369773912 563298 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, I think, is how the word "esoteric" is usually used in the context of computers < 1369773928 101629 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would someone have called, say, INTERCAL, before it was called "esoteric"? < 1369773944 290489 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, intercal's a parody < 1369773950 684768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just called it intercal, there was no need for a categorical name < 1369773953 143503 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they might just say that < 1369773958 742775 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call it dada. < 1369773974 292555 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's that parody of cobol or something, right" < 1369773978 98817 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuckin nerds" < 1369773997 197253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, it was primarily a joke riffing on existing language designs < 1369774021 115197 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting — "dada" suggests an comparison to art... which, seems intentional, no? < 1369774047 685047 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuckin nerds" works, too < 1369774049 344823 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs were originally developed to protest socialism in italy in the 30s < 1369774067 613815 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: i consider programs and programming languages to be artist media, but that might just be me. < 1369774069 411693 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wrong surrealism < 1369774072 45251 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*artistic < 1369774093 728200 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do you think happened between the 70s and '93? < 1369774097 344570 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote esolangs were originally developed to protest socialism in italy in the 30s < 1369774101 27546 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1041) esolangs were originally developed to protest socialism in italy in the 30s < 1369774102 505062 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether this is "art" or not is a HUGE can of worms that we don't reeeeallly need to open up, not now < 1369774124 154741 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like cans of worms. < 1369774134 665537 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing esolangs with tendencies towards automatic production in art could be kind of interesting, especially if you bring in self-proclaimed artists like knowlton < 1369774142 252924 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say some, but not all esolangs are art < 1369774154 913721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, well there were other jokes along the lines of intercal, but afaik none of them were fleshed out into actual languages < 1369774157 182100 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you bring in that one guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Belousov-Zhabotinsky_Reaction.gif < 1369774178 757439 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esolangs in art museum collections? (Not that they're the ultimate arbiter of art.) MoMA put the "@" symbol in their collection a couple of years ago. < 1369774188 584086 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'd also say some non-esolangs are art (that is, (non-eso)langs) < 1369774213 70079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, I do not believe so, however I am not sure < 1369774218 564729 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the MoMA people are going to be _so_ confused when you do that search-and-replace < 1369774227 743248 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: not that I'm aware of. and I kind of looked, sort of. I know MoMA has video games, too (in design, if not art) < 1369774231 210106 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*global search-and-replace < 1369774269 374325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm, "Made using self-written Java program." (I would like it if that meant that the java program wrote itself) < 1369774295 935437 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like Piet (for its visual-ness) or Brainfuck (for its historic aspects) would be a good fit for a museum. Any other candidates? < 1369774303 469739 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adamatzky, that's it < 1369774311 664611 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge, maybe Glass? < 1369774321 790783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eodermdrome!!!!!! < 1369774325 70628 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: a 2d language could be manipulated by viewers, would be a fun interactive exhibit < 1369774336 996379 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, definitely Eodermdrome < 1369774358 104583 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first I've heard of Eodermdrome. Taking a look. < 1369774374 590536 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, I get the feeling the journalist is probably reading the logs right now. <-- now that's just paranoia hth < 1369774387 549589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eodermdrome article is, er, not very clear about how it works < 1369774417 854267 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about Eodermdrome, is that it is NP-complete to interpret < 1369774428 409856 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I am aware, nobody has managed it < 1369774438 705081 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: technically not, because of the 26 letter limit < 1369774456 680686 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, really? < 1369774463 390311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wasn't that the interpreter that someone finnished? < 1369774472 831099 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not NP-complete to check for a finite set of subgraphs < 1369774490 794432 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should just have an eodermdrome self-interpreter without a real interpreter. < 1369774491 355265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The thing about Eodermdrome, is that it is NP-complete to interpret < 1369774494 178068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually not < 1369774500 908715 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, it's P, etc. etc. < 1369774507 523889 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I learn something every day < 1369774523 44953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing it in polynomial time is boring and complicated < 1369774536 206708 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369774558 642319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe we should just have an eodermdrome self-interpreter without a real interpreter. < 1369774561 208641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg yes < 1369774581 867839 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only the lines in hth. if you take the prime letters of each line, they'll reveal a very sombre and shocking secret. hth < 1369774591 613081 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i am not convinced an eodermdrome self-interpreter would fit in the 26 letter limit. it was hard enough to fit BCT. < 1369774617 340922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, we've been over this, the spec doesn't say 'ascii' anywhere < 1369774619 625133 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, extend it to other alphabets then < 1369774637 427934 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty simple to make an Eodermdrone-like language with unbounded nodes < 1369774646 143344 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fine, fine, you can decide it allows unicode after you make a working interpreter of it < 1369774650 212098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuh, wait < 1369774654 517990 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, linear bounded < 1369774677 635858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you'd basically have to have a case for every single unicode character < 1369774685 122732 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someday, we'll even have a feather interpreter! < 1369774703 737180 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why do you need a case < 1369774723 778890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh don't make me think about actually writing an interpreter for that fucking thing again < 1369774744 964469 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the initial graph is definitely the english alphabet fwiw < 1369774757 834585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, some day, feather may have always existed < 1369774777 113001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, eodermdrome input works as a case analysis thing < 1369774811 138385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write () before a command and it'll only trigger if is at the start of the input buffer < 1369774816 35981 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also if you do an infinite alphabet it becomes NP-complete again hth < 1369774826 576285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said infinite! < 1369774833 54196 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1369774851 782351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369774852 138239 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1369774852 574023 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 282000Z 16013KT 30SM BKN180 OVC240 22/01 A3011 RMK AS6CI2 SLP197 DENSITY ALT 700FT < 1369774865 793101 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369774874 808945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also uh < 1369774876 811795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1369774893 29548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any given program will only have a finite number of match subgraphs < 1369774925 870628 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well a given program won't be NP-complete, although performing a step in an arbitrary program will be < 1369774936 982648 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: as you can see from the above, if esolangs are art, it kind of raises the bar for "art appreciation"... but even if you don't know anything about complexity theory, you can still look at a program and enjoy it just on a visual level. as a pretty abstract. especially if you like looking at ASCII. < 1369775010 890246 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I like that. There are definitely some pleasing, and distinguishable, visual aspects to most the esolangs I've seen. < 1369775066 961205 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369775076 394967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone < 1369775141 823229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, that's an observation extensible to real languages, fwiw; cf. http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Wadlers_Law < 1369775176 39017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 152 < 1369775177 806598 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :152) syntax is the least important part of a programming language other than Python < 1369775196 635750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 155 < 1369775198 503045 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :155) there's a rather clear separation into the 99% of esolangs that are fun syntax ideas, and the 3% that someone actually put some thought into. < 1369775246 775875 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating — as a newcomer, the easiest thing to grasp onto is the syntax < 1369775265 177380 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you identify that 3%? < 1369775284 220167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a quick way to see if an esolang idea is really just syntax-deep, is to see how easy it is to translate into other languages < 1369775289 411761 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, we kill all the brainfuck derivatives... < 1369775290 494819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like Ook! looks quite different from BF < 1369775300 686189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can translate between them pretty trivially < 1369775308 715145 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but Ook is Ook. < 1369775309 390935 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that rule of thumb < 1369775315 894716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, if you're translating between, say, Underload and Brainfuck, it's a lot more difficult < 1369775331 438667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible, due to Turing-completeness, but the program typically gets a lot longer in the translation < 1369775349 560745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eodermdrome is extremely hard to translate into other languages, hence the lack of an interpreter < 1369775377 10004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that explains the lack of a compiler, rather than the lack of an interpreter < 1369775389 725865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages, like befunge-93, are quite easy to interpret < 1369775392 859971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nontheless hard to compile < 1369775415 578563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i'd say for a sufficiently broad definition of 'translation' it applies to interpreters too < 1369775434 3688 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take, for example, a language I created, Fueue, which was proved Turing-complete by a non-trivial way of translating Underload to Fueue < 1369775434 573678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1369775443 847750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to design a language which is very hard to write a self-interpreter for < 1369775444 276934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpretation involves implementing concepts in one language in terms of another, after all < 1369775455 487325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being otherwise particularly difficult < 1369775479 668976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well eodermdrome is applicable there as well! < 1369775481 734671 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fueue#Computational_class < 1369775507 411469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the trickiest part in making a self-interpreter for it is dealing with the syntax/io mechanics < 1369775546 163901 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's going on here? < 1369775558 34560 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, we're being interviews by jsvine < 1369775561 527077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason there's a journalist here < 1369775584 279449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the immediate reason is easy enough to explain, cpressey refused to let him interview him except in #esoteric < 1369775595 357790 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yep. < 1369775608 347818 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this interview will be heavily edited to cut out all the noise. < 1369775613 212861 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of a conversation right now than an interview. < 1369775640 382249 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what? I can't hear you, I have an interview in my ear. < 1369775655 516285 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the whisper button on this thing? < 1369775691 559746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: to private message someone, do /query and their username < 1369775697 525934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll open up a separate tag to PM them with < 1369775709 481998 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, was just joking, unsuccessfully. < 1369775714 477852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1369775723 57656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to people muddling up IRC with instant messaging < 1369775729 196919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just mentally translated the terms < 1369775743 588957 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyone here should feel free to PM me if you want to chat privately. < 1369775892 10893 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone currently working on a new esolang? Doesn't necessarily have to be earth-shattering. I'm mostly just curious about the process. < 1369775924 819908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of quiet at the moment, the good ones can take years to work through < 1369775936 68271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after you've spent years working on one, you kind-of don't want to have anything to do with it any more < 1369775946 135050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, though, the big problem is having an idea < 1369775962 690216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have one, working out the details can normally be done in a few hours, unless the idea is one that makes the details difficult < 1369775965 922962 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais532: I know that feeling, on a shorter time-scale, with stories. < 1369775980 859235 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: interesting! < 1369775996 897052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of my aborted projects had ideas like "regular expressions except Turing-complete", and "object oriented language that uses time travel in order to do inheritance" < 1369776028 155098 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Whoa. Abandoned why? < 1369776037 58691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one, I couldn't even get the parser to work < 1369776040 652444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bad sign < 1369776047 51305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Feather < 1369776050 735142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it meant I was being held up on syntax problems, so I could theoretically work around that < 1369776051 329557 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Note for innocent victims: Do not check OOTS because of that `olist) <-- HEY YOU KNOW I NEVER READ MORE THAN ONE LINE AHEAD < 1369776054 868765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one, I don't like to tlak about < 1369776058 458136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*talk about < 1369776071 470111 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess technically that would be zero in this case. < 1369776077 7764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basic problem is that it's very hard to write a language entirely in terms of itself < 1369776089 90472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for bonus points, I checked OOTS a few minutes ago, for reasons completely unrelated to the `olist < 1369776093 930245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I just check it manually now and again < 1369776097 462028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Regular expressions except turing-complete sounds like perl < 1369776109 996194 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather is kind of like an "inside joke" except i'm not sure how much of a "joke" it is < 1369776114 160664 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck OOTS < 1369776114 413525 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Order of the Stick is a comedic fantasy webcomic that satirizes pencil and paper role-playing games (particularly Dungeons & Dragons and its accompanying system, d20) through the continuing tale of the titular party of adventurers. < 1369776117 340268 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only check it about once a week if there's no `olist < 1369776118 2617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'm not convinced Perl's a Turing-complete, except via using the "embed arbitrary Perl here" directives < 1369776148 600425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: I felt it was safer to let it become an inside joke, it reduces the odds I'll stupidly try to start working on it again < 1369776149 317162 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular expressions except turing complete sounds like thue < 1369776152 447922 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/arbitrary/mixed code and regexpes/ < 1369776156 166857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, I mean < 1369776163 940204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to think up an idea for an esoteric programming language, it's a bit harder to execute well on it. < 1369776169 537752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclexa had notation like (abc)^, which /added/ abc to the start of the input < 1369776170 428288 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but thue is string rewriting, not regexps < 1369776173 786503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, i'd argue the converse < 1369776175 203493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus was equivalent to c^b^a^ < 1369776183 303234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly interesting ideas are pretty rare < 1369776191 275320 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1369776198 744098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're both right < 1369776201 692666 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is one of the more creative here, which means he gets stuck on weird shit that hardly makes sense < 1369776203 619501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideas are easy, interesting ideas are hard < 1369776236 9947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few patterns I like that haven't been done to death nearly as much as BF derivatives, though < 1369776236 768179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thue with regexps is pretty much sed < 1369776242 591548 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I on the other hand find it easy to make up a half-baked idea and write a spec and publish it < 1369776250 227580 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sed's popular! see, victory < 1369776256 451195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the "introduce an arbitrary operation with no obvious properties, then force people to do everything in terms of it" paradigm < 1369776258 260003 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that few of the languages I have created are much good < 1369776261 225107 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : FreeFull: I'm not convinced Perl's a Turing-complete, except via using the "embed arbitrary Perl here" directives <-- um you can do linked lists in perl, no? < 1369776269 68702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perl's regexes < 1369776273 123698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some elision in that line < 1369776273 695109 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1369776282 361020 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea of a programming language where a syntax error would introduce new syntax based on seemingly random, but actually predictable rules < 1369776286 778484 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the elision in the wrong place < 1369776295 868719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no idea what good execution of that idea would be < 1369776305 336251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the typo didn't help < 1369776317 664008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's the opposite idea of one I had recently < 1369776318 792181 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue and Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download (which, by the way, is the longest name for an esolang, to my knowledge) are pretty much my only two decent languages < 1369776324 386492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language where the syntax changes every time you run the interpreter < 1369776329 77456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a result, programs have a half-life < 1369776333 141038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what about, for example, the grammar expecting a =, but you dropped it and the next token is an (. so, from now on, it uses ( for assignements. < 1369776334 6785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, programs can also be self-modifying < 1369776346 611258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Too simple and inflexible < 1369776351 931318 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is almost entirely unoriginal < 1369776352 224409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all long-lasting programs need to come with an AI that attemps to work out what's happened to the language, and change themselves to match < 1369776361 118439 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: And the beginning state wouldn't have an idea of assigment < 1369776371 363212 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: indeed. how to improve, then? < 1369776386 204499 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sounds like DIT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_inheritance_theory) < 1369776388 640419 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is *evil* < 1369776394 663660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interesting thing would be to be able to produce a header, that you can prefix any brainfuck program with to make it execute using this language < 1369776423 298151 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there some discussion a bit while ago about embedding multiple languages together, or something like that? < 1369776429 609249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that interesting or just a brainfuck interpreter? < 1369776434 648709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you know, i always thought the hair salon was owned by Real Fast Nora < 1369776445 483603 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's not a brainfuck interpreter, it just looks like one. < 1369776466 983386 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, it's Real Fast (Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download < 1369776467 341479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it is interesting if it can be done in general < 1369776473 506101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like the underlambda preprocessor are interesting, for instance < 1369776477 207667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no it's not < 1369776489 933673 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, I named the language after a page a spambot created on the wiki < 1369776512 277743 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, elaborate? < 1369776543 479380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obviously correct parse is (Real Fast Nora)'s < 1369776569 843054 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to sadly depart from this illustrious channel. adieu! < 1369776578 309619 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye, boily! < 1369776581 902028 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: J'ai faim. < 1369776582 6935 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horse raced past the barn fell: a descriptivist retrospective < 1369776583 554250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, thinking of a name is often difficult < 1369776587 546304 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369776588 675681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sometimes we borrow them fro mspambots < 1369776589 351578 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking, you'd have a vm that runs the parser, and undefined instructions would modify some location in the vm's memory according to the rules at the time of execution < 1369776591 585993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from spambots < 1369776599 954061 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cpressey < 1369776601 980895 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369776602 558603 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could arbitrarily rewrite the interpreter < 1369776609 247608 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ZOMGMODULES < 1369776610 871513 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369776624 566182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh, that's been done, I think < 1369776645 746432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emmental was even the featured article quite recently < 1369776658 524424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, it's not April any more, we should take Deadfish off the main page < 1369776710 832263 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn cpressey has invented more esolangs than you can shake a stick at. Also he's older than the universe hth. < 1369776715 495690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1369776719 9069 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What I'm thinking of would be a bit harder, more in the spirit of malborge I think < 1369776724 874963 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: SATISFIED? < 1369776730 769283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, we need to talk about your use of hth as punctuation < 1369776730 974797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: most languages can be made arbitrarily difficult < 1369776735 769108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there just normally isn't much of a point in doing so < 1369776750 64227 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be just straightforward metaprogramming < 1369776752 505501 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do you mean punctuation there's a completely visible period after it < 1369776757 341219 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hth!) < 1369776760 480237 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1369776777 186431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be more like writing a C program that modifies the compiler in memory as it's being compiled < 1369776791 373421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you couldn't do that with standard C < 1369776839 655028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to give C++ templates I/O capabilities < 1369776843 609410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do it with C++ >:) < 1369776876 451390 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates can output warnings < 1369776887 566490 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ doesn't need more features < 1369776910 920040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna be off now < 1369776912 440272 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1369776913 327140 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you need heaps of post-processing to reduce those warnings to the actual data you wanted output) < 1369776924 615000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, good luck with the remainder of the "interview" < 1369776956 186594 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thanks! I'll be lurking for the next few days. < 1369776961 731041 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369776964 676551 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the interview was tomorrow and this was just us dicking around < 1369776965 709016 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369776974 891427 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : jsvine: I got your email, 4PM EDT tomorrow (basically, 24h from now) is confirmed. <-- wait EVERYONE STOP TALKING it's too early < 1369776986 464036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're just talking to someone who showed up in the channel < 1369776993 102079 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1369777014 659732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: besides, that's when the interview with cpressey starts, we're not in that interview < 1369777038 171350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thanks. < 1369777038 822252 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. I have an "official" interview with cpressey tomorrow on this channel. But I'd like to meet as many willing esolangers as possible. < 1369777048 97177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guessing, since I missed the whole start of this) < 1369777053 877811 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs dick|fuck|shit|stack < 1369777062 22227 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1214 < 1369777081 203331 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right there's an esolang with 'fuck' in it < 1369777092 913876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: you are aware that cpressey thinks it's impossible to write an interesting article about esolangs for what he thinks your target audience is, right? < 1369777094 469258 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: shocking < 1369777107 476478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it'd be amusing to prove him wrong < 1369777163 301880 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then i can skip the rest of the logs < 1369777185 161715 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yep. He told me as much. Worth trying, though. And his definition of interesting is different than mine, or my editors', or our readers'. < 1369777202 41161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369777212 486330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, I assume I know less about journalism than journalists do < 1369777212 566964 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«2004-06-11.txt:20:25:41: fuck. 2004-06-11.txt:20:34:06: FUCK» a storied history < 1369777223 542928 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inevitably, you'll all be disappointed by the result! < 1369777224 683646 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the target audience anywho < 1369777254 397485 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: financial analyzers, the kind who use haskell nowadays < 1369777272 158195 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The target audience is, broadly/vaguely, smart people who don't necessarily know programming and are curious about the world < 1369777316 998511 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely indeed < 1369777356 295179 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i have no idea who reads the wsj. rich people? whoever still reads newspapers? huffington post writers? total mystery < 1369777433 941696 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take this with as many grains of salt as you like: the WSJ is the most widely-circulated newspaper in the U.S.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_States_by_circulation < 1369777434 257831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I hear that a dependent type system is actually not that difficult to implement. Someone keeps telling me I should read this one paper. < 1369777438 463709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows nothing about it.
< 1369777446 935006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jsvine < 1369777447 360714 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now that you mentioned c++ and templates - a funny thing with template metaprogramming is that compilation seems easier than interpretation, a compiler pretty much looks like an interpreter < 1369777448 249148 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a lot of people < 1369777471 694029 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an interpreter looks like crap, because putting values in types is messy < 1369777484 689496 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hello < 1369777590 38340 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: hmm! i definitely would've guessed new york times would be on top. i know nothing about american newspapers though < 1369777656 490693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: one thing I find interesting is that skill programming in weird / constrained languages is also useful for writing exploits for security holes < 1369777680 17376 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that *is* interesting. Examples? < 1369777704 267104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return-oriented_programming < 1369777736 999424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the security angle is that most programs have locked down execution of code from outside < 1369777739 260112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you write an exploit by stringing together fragments of the legitimate code of the program you're exploiting < 1369777745 972082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to craft your exploit entirely by cobbling together code that already exists < 1369777748 272270 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369777810 356571 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is similar to how esolangs work? < 1369777828 117264 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar in that it's convoluted and weird, is the idea, i believe < 1369777849 217394 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1369777855 236434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like every executable you might want to exploit implicitly defines an esolang, and you write your exploit in that esolang < 1369777874 447385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's similar to esoprogramming because you don't have the tools you normally have when writing a program < 1369777878 544829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to make do with what's available < 1369777879 174442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to dig into the technical details, start with the paper 'The Geometry of Innocent Flesh on the Bone: Return-into-libc without Function Calls (on the x86)' < 1369777890 729030 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah, that makes sense. < 1369777900 452156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy to answer tech questions too (I don't know what your background is) < 1369777915 796341 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I'll take a look at that paper. < 1369777936 519830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example is, maybe your exploit does have the ability to inject new machine code, but it has to be free of null bytes, or even has to contain only alphanumeric ASCII < 1369777954 469651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or every other pair of bytes needs to be 00 00 < 1369777980 7851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these constraints arise from the details of the bug you're exploiting; maybe the input is sanitized before it reaches the vulnerable code < 1369777982 554244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have program on here which, given an arbitrary file, outputs a DOS executable written entirely with printable characters that outputs that file < 1369777984 396728 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit on my background: I have no formal CS training, but have been programming (in boring languages like python, ruby and javascript) for a few years. I'm fascinated by CS theory, but grasp not enough of it. < 1369777986 20437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for fun < 1369777988 347370 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369777989 799542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it felt a lot like esoprogramming < 1369778003 109382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phrack.com/issues.html?issue=57&id=15 is an article about alphanumeric exploits in x86 machine code < 1369778012 359785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was that if you didn't have a copy of uudecode handy, you could nonetheless obtain programs by typing them in < 1369778036 163023 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369778052 213210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I realized recently that the EICAR Standard Anti-Virus Test File is such a DOS program as well < 1369778062 595403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(printable program that prints a string) < 1369778063 481650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: huh, seriously? < 1369778067 949452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd never looked at that file before now < 1369778071 961185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would paste it here, but it might cause virus scanners to flag your IRC log files :) < 1369778073 520766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, it's quite hard to obtain < 1369778075 18118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369778077 260709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep http://www.eicar.org/86-0-Intended-use.html < 1369778080 40151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets off every antivirus scanner in existence < 1369778083 504496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's its /job/ < 1369778094 143233 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369778123 662103 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1369778148 327896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"providing that the file starts with the following 68 characters, and is exactly 68 bytes long" < 1369778149 822787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun typo < 1369778176 613070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort-of similar thing is if a program takes a sufficiently complicated data format, the "data" (that should be untrusted) can end up being some kind of esolang without even exploiting any bugs < 1369778188 30797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I think the potential for abuse here is mostly making a program use more memory or time than it should) < 1369778218 305605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well there are fun things like doing distributed computation < 1369778223 635853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via router error messages < 1369778227 22193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, related to esolangs is the idea of writing programs in things that were never intended to be programming languages at all < 1369778253 911067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an IOCCC entry that implements an adventure game using only the C preprocessor < 1369778291 68660 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: Gnity < 1369778295 905824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the stuff about proving Game of Life is turing complete, Tetris is NP-hard, etc < 1369778323 618862 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, tell me more < 1369778364 963421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .rar VM would be fun to program in if you could take any input somehow < 1369778373 930631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know more, and am not sure if it works < 1369778385 656856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complexity reductions are kind of like esoteric programming... to prove that 3-coloring graphs is NP-hard, you show that you can take a logical formula and construct a graph, such that the graph has a 3-coloring if and only if the formula is satisfiable < 1369778390 422407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I prefer the PSPACE-complete games < 1369778394 858560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Sokoban, that one's interesting < 1369778404 118650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PSPACE-complete normally implies that it'd be TC given infinite memory) < 1369778423 226708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course graphs don't have anything about variables, true and false, AND and OR built in, so you need to come up with particular shaped 'gadgets' that implement these concepts in terms of just edges, points, and colors assigned to points < 1369778443 127222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: interesting; is there a formal statement of that last idea? < 1369778457 405949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know of one, and there might not be one < 1369778472 945827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the normal construction involves putting a repeating pattern on the playfield in one diection < 1369778474 653268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*direction < 1369778485 613289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing about being PSPACE-complete implies that a playfield-like concept even exists < 1369778516 143838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, being the sort of game that tends to be PSPACE-complete /does/ imply that a playfield-like concept exists :) < 1369778554 686221 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't sokoban PSPACE-complete < 1369778570 801090 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369778575 880167 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.4 PART :#esoteric < 1369778591 661201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's what I said a few lines ago < 1369778607 961895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been paying attention < 1369778636 560293 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is any analog between sokoban that allows both pulling and pushing, and reversible programming < 1369778679 55242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's normally easy to tell if something's reversible or not < 1369778684 616429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for Burro, apparently) < 1369778692 980517 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369778697 208944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some interesting things that can be proved as a result of reversibility < 1369778718 178871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. any reversible program where the process of starting is reversible, that has finite memory, must terminate < 1369779024 91674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the process of starting'? < 1369779050 158968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: like, you can look at a program state < 1369779056 50109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and determine whether the program just started or not < 1369779337 489446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does finite memory here mean < 1369779504 548415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is the argument basically that if you're in an infinite loop, you don't have the state to keep track of how many times you've gone round the loop? < 1369779511 223675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1369779514 810260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the largest computer anyone here has seen had 1TB of memory < 1369779516 446901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1369779518 908428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a neat result < 1369779557 585157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finite memory is probably less than that) < 1369780097 189498 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369780251 25923 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i thought the pspace sokoban thing was based on a similar model to billiard ball computing so < 1369780333 172400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can't the reversible program loop in a direction, leaving trails < 1369780351 139626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it can't leave trails forever if there's finite memory < 1369780361 972485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the usual way to write an infinite loop in a TC reversible language, though < 1369780587 99856 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, if there is finite memory < 1369781279 145043 :nooodl^!~nooodl^@91.179.143.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369781294 876016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to beone of those results where most of the work is in the definitions, though < 1369781298 821820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be one < 1369781309 377651 :nooodl^!~nooodl^@91.179.143.211 QUIT :Client Quit < 1369781541 784700 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369781611 697916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, everyone < 1369781615 881385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OMGWTF is getting a sequel < 1369781637 919135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software. It's free and only takes a few minutes to do, and you'll even be able to score one of their Nerd Life T-shirts in the process" < 1369781644 450950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blatant advertising sequel, it seems < 1369781685 761490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's omgwtf < 1369781696 166299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a competition to write simple programs in insane ways < 1369782896 101869 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1369782929 828910 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369783018 345265 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1369783312 36821 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369783386 502263 :Tritonio__!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369783405 38107 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.23 PART :#esoteric < 1369783419 683127 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1369783664 696229 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369784121 698392 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1369784593 723644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was jsvine the reporter? < 1369784617 510202 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369784651 176378 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about lurking for a few days, interview with cpressey tomorrow, etc etc < 1369784875 494234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god he didn't get to meet sgeo < 1369784886 370188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zzo, come to think of it < 1369784982 299863 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1369784985 466696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He saw a line that I said, quoted by someone else < 1369785100 372575 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369785174 223165 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no reply to my email yet < 1369785257 294110 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.238.21 PART :#esoteric