< 1369008219 175951 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah, that's entirely legit. < 1369008259 458434 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately all you care about for a compiler IR is that it performs well. < 1369008640 389759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'll note that C is not very good as a compiler IR for Brainfuck. < 1369008648 279715 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC *hates* LostKng. :) < 1369008699 483789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should play that at some point probabl < 1369008700 286183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1369008977 600882 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really, the problematic bit there is GCC uses a truly insane amount of RAM for that) < 1369009005 138633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1369009009 447061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.... huh? < 1369009025 93228 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC, building LostKng converted to C, uses insane quantities of RAM. < 1369009030 694510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the problematic bit was that trying to interpret one language as being in a different language ... oh < 1369009066 322571 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It doesn't on esotope-bfc output. < 1369009069 940113 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369009075 194557 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything less sophisticated though? Yeesh. < 1369009352 660306 :carado!~user4539@mar44-5-88-182-30-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369009388 71588 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. gcc-4.8 is actually much more reasonable. < 1369009491 929125 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1369010236 152174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369010458 16372 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369012589 644070 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369012666 977116 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369014295 378141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369015456 649649 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369016152 672340 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369016465 967312 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1369017418 442223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try to get my hands on a copy of Fitznik at some point < 1369017421 842939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if it works on WINE < 1369017447 76851 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.tumblr.com/8d532386ec91813faa0a66aa635b56b4/tumblr_inline_mn2oigp0nC1qz4rgp.gif < 1369017485 750317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of that screensaver < 1369017499 56311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... reminds me of another screensaver, that I liked as a kid, and couldn't find again < 1369017920 84063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fitznik 2 features 65,000 color graphics and requires a Windows computer running at 500Mhz or faster." < 1369018302 212059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitznik did not like WINE < 1369018308 387036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to reset my rsolution, ugh < 1369018404 710211 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any software on Earth more buggy than fluidsynth X_X < 1369018425 343284 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am considering creating a new esoteric language :P < 1369018592 908613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HRMPH < 1369018602 75736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that this game uses .xm files, but don't know how to GET AT THEM < 1369018630 548017 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the language called :P < 1369018703 922860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings shows me a list of files in this file < 1369018813 152960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a zip file. Just opened it. < 1369018871 301347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... I'm an idiot and unzipped in ~ < 1369019359 727390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..ok... I try to apt-get install mplayer and it tries to upgrade glibc < 1369019361 583153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared < 1369019501 99434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, does zsudo count? < 1369019549 461843 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt if it could conceivably be more buggy than fluidsynth. < 1369019621 453455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://raw.github.com/cbcercas/zpanel-freebsd/master/config_packs/freebsd/bin/zsudo.c Feast your eyes. < 1369019683 602614 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369019735 866047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369021190 941445 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, I can get to github again. < 1369021216 969262 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1369021221 204446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor < 1369021222 579272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregand < 1369021234 416738 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, now go, and behold zsudo! < 1369021235 302109 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :As mind-bogglingly buggy as that is, it's simply too insubstantial to be as buggy as fluidsynth. < 1369021243 279690 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have more bugs per line, but it cannot have as many bugs. < 1369021294 848069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregxor, the monster attacking tokyo < 1369021528 466404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1369021539 642362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1369021887 257183 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369021917 160269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1369021928 314223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the right to commit suicide? < 1369021953 786886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the union negotiated that one back in '74 < 1369022048 210115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think it depends on whether you have the mercurial password for the suicide project < 1369022051 803991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In case you don't know, I do mean you personally.) < 1369022077 589003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, by the union i meant my union < 1369022203 824146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef union {Bike bike; Suicide suicide} myunion; < 1369022246 986086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that zzo38 means "you personally" and yet he asked the question immediately after joining < 1369022285 449054 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he meant I, Bike, and nobody else < 1369022316 215063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 asked the question personally of each of us < 1369022323 650972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: sup cutie ;) < 1369022332 54397 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1369022333 236260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf has no right < 1369022579 679414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, that is what I mean. < 1369022664 336133 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369022736 624846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: serious answer: no, i have no right to commit suicide. society needs me too badly. < 1369022900 420325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369023187 436769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369023278 449179 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1369023431 800972 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of a use I have for a Raspberry Pi < 1369023446 230530 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could finish transferring my data off the damaged HD < 1369023465 927793 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without tying up one of my normal computers. < 1369023688 417322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/41095.wss "IBM brings COBOL to cloud and mobile" < 1369023970 675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369024023 579681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you didn't see any of that, the internet is broken < 1369024126 931505 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C stands for cloud right < 1369024153 809139 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloud oriented business originality language < 1369024161 954734 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“With more than 200 billion lines of COBOL code being used across industries such as banking, insurance, retail and human resources” < 1369024232 829574 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 200e9 / (50 * 365 * 100) < 1369024236 588867 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 109589.04109589041 < 1369024249 71078 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369024255 372376 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds legit < 1369024451 502059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I took a programming languages survey class in college and we had a lecture where we filled out a big matrix of programming languages and their properties < 1369024474 767173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when we got to COBOL the only thing any of us (including the instructor) knew was that more lines of COBOL had been written than anything else < 1369024477 562254 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linear operator on the vector space of pointless bullshit < 1369024487 91462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should learn COBOL and put it on my resume < 1369024555 636576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn BOL instead hth < 1369024573 17053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how they say that a bunch of COBOL programmers came out of retirement and made mad cash fixing Y2K bugs? < 1369024574 941161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :business oriented language, that is uncommon < 1369024582 249094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to do that for Y2038 bugs < 1369024596 393770 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many unix systems use cobol < 1369024600 971324 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or. wait i get it nvm < 1369024613 448341 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew a bit of COBOL < 1369024619 783980 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read a For Dummies book on it < 1369024619 981816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that by 2038, Linux and x86 will just be a useless ignored compatibility layer between some webapp framework and some cloud hypervisor < 1369024623 551662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even moreso than today < 1369024628 819100 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1369024631 850703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so few people will still learn that layer < 1369024651 881729 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369024659 864797 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw it in a bookstore, and misremembered 'CORBA' < 1369024674 360085 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which was a thing I wanted to learn about after seeing it referenced somewhere) < 1369024676 995943 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man what am i gonna be doing in 2038. i'll be like, 90 or something < 1369024684 937056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're already like 90 < 1369024692 305091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be 90er < 1369024697 409594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll turn 50 that year < 1369024702 288290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's p. 90 < 1369024702 866166 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll have abandoned traditional numerics by then you see < 1369024705 894662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Supertrain will have opened by then < 1369024781 500757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPERTRAAAAAIN < 1369024789 624584 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :vroom < 1369024802 686489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUMPKIIIIIIIIN < 1369024805 350822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawg < 1369024833 421131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: bayhac was p. good < 1369024846 120063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: we all wished you were here < 1369024853 315864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe next year" < 1369024856 135873 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1369024872 353154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "we all" i mean "me" < 1369024879 778389 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the royal < 1369024880 43154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe other people too i didn't ask.. < 1369024927 561460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I won't ask about that story. < 1369024959 267036 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1369025061 445185 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my goodness. < 1369025062 102612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Do you have any good puzzles for me? < 1369025073 363340 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/lyYaM#0 < 1369025077 20492 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to have a git repository that goes all Oroboros. < 1369025085 525275 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a commit having itself as its parent. < 1369025091 796436 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how would that work? < 1369025097 28315 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git replace". < 1369025097 663516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: :-( < 1369025099 610418 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need it to hash to itself < 1369025103 758776 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean editing the blob < 1369025110 103698 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lets you say "when you would read this blob, read this blob instead". < 1369025112 657326 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't pass a check though < 1369025124 282838 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is actually a git feature. < 1369025128 842028 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1369025133 330068 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it for. < 1369025143 726106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say "read SHA1 X when you would read SHA1 Y" < 1369025161 659311 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what kind of puzzle do you want? < 1369025164 423974 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, a crazy SHA1 collision could do this. :P < 1369025168 518935 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Stupid hacks. < 1369025175 555477 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love stupid hacks (no i don't) < 1369025188 258075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Any kind. < 1369025198 696670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a script to bruteforce vanity SHA1s for git commits < 1369025201 370168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Well -- a good kind. < 1369025208 949461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a GPU version of that < 1369025211 500452 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanity SHAs. stupid future < 1369025230 413080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad that my "stupid future" meme is catching on < 1369025237 411105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad Bitcoin ASICs are probably useless for that < 1369025248 992342 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just migrate git to double sha256 < 1369025261 590096 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy peasy < 1369025266 346562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: There was a bitcoin conference here this weekend. < 1369025272 831225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've come! < 1369025274 391957 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, everyone's talking about it < 1369025280 900655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor was here < 1369025282 73459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are my meme hero kmc. look forward to seeing your face or whatever on a colored background, with large white text about.... stuff. < 1369025291 145166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor wrote a weblog post about me!!!!! < 1369025295 58153 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? < 1369025298 165642 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno what kids meme about. cats < 1369025310 948866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was about prisms but it mentioned me < 1369025329 383980 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369025332 583287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Photoshop Hero < 1369025348 270762 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/80d930bdb551243156afc40d0d184079/tumblr_mn2vcakVNp1qblhajo1_1280.png < 1369025391 352726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thx < 1369025400 38272 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1369025402 182033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1369025413 227572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369025420 486619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, http://modularcircuits.tantosonline.com/blog/articles/the-cray-files/ was what I was talking about while pinging out < 1369025434 6800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and the 2GB/s SSD you could get for your Cray X-MP/4 < 1369025461 243067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: You always have good puzzles. < 1369025464 556963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reloads the logs to see if any of this is getting anywhere < 1369025469 267120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copuzzles < 1369025478 687039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like Jeopardy! < 1369025502 627447 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1369025505 949819 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, github does not support git replace. < 1369025512 758808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be more like um < 1369025518 488061 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that story about the philosophy professor < 1369025564 593839 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how about: "you're somewhere on earth (a perfect sphere), and you walk a mile south, a mile west, and a mile north, and end up back where you started. Where could you be?" < 1369025596 549721 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an irritated cartogarpher's office < 1369025602 847782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a multidirectional treadmill < 1369025611 160865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bear is white because it's a polar bear < 1369025619 921018 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's the obvious answer, but there are lots more < 1369025624 423788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they have 2D treadmills < 1369025627 451272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't remember how they work < 1369025651 680246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They < 1369025654 23172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad got a book of thoe 'lateral thinking' puzzles for christmas and half of them were non sequiturs, it was beautiful < 1369025684 97719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that Voyager episode about Tuvok not getting a pun < 1369025736 433115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, half "lateral thinking" puzzle, half bad pun < 1369025744 187724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this episode of Veep they say that "kassi" is the Finnish word for "scrotum"; is that correct? < 1369025763 502150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoiler alert) < 1369025765 727697 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, a specific distance from the south pole < 1369025790 993514 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like swedish word for shopping bag, maybe that word is actually imported from finnish < 1369025792 785048 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually, I think there are a lot of possible distances < 1369025796 17321 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1369025800 840820 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw it in a book < 1369025809 368033 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh don't cheat < 1369025811 460505 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure it out :P < 1369025824 857411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translates it just as "bag" but it doesn't always have colloquial meanings < 1369025825 334255 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly the concept of "west" is socially constructed < 1369025831 372262 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late, I cheated over a decade ago < 1369025840 860372 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1369025845 962724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's cheating on what < 1369025848 332443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash whom < 1369025851 824623 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're cheating on you < 1369025854 632338 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :on youm < 1369025859 112437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo's cheating on compumpkin's polar bear < 1369025876 936845 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: didn't appreciate it? < 1369025896 789368 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cheated on copumpkin's riddle by sending myself a telepathic message back in time to read a book that contains the solution. < 1369025905 782385 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you! < 1369025907 198602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good trick < 1369025933 577213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think youm should be the accusative of you < 1369025958 163342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thou -> thee; you -> yee < 1369025970 223016 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1369025973 188763 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :youm < 1369025984 310302 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :who -> whom; you -> youm < 1369025995 797269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin -> copumpkim < 1369026010 919448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the hebrew plural of copumpkin < 1369026037 967203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should transliterate 'copumpkin' into hebrew, hth < 1369026051 743029 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthm < 1369026067 850609 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try < 1369026076 502325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here are a bunch of links about 2d treadmills: https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=388 < 1369026080 372987 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the accusative of you? < 1369026085 580381 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :youm < 1369026097 119265 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1369026135 836045 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1369026140 864615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.virtuix.com/ seems to be a bowl covered in small rollers, plus a rail and waist collar that keeps you in place < 1369026153 919409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFrjrgBV8K0 is on a 2d treadmill < 1369026164 990647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it's just a wide 1d treadmill < 1369026173 102789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a wonderfully creepy video < 1369026174 971701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wide 1d, I'd say < 1369026182 332616 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow, that's impressive < 1369026184 984880 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :כפמקן < 1369026192 955148 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. Not sure. < 1369026228 921775 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit concerned about that mpk ... I really don't know Hebrew well enough < 1369026243 302974 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that video is vastly improved by the bee gees < 1369026250 972590 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369026275 10571 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, youtube is now showing me ads about how finland's armed forces are better than sweden's < 1369026288 415333 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the bee gees one is an older petman. my mistake < 1369026295 169322 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(psyops to prepare for the invasion?) < 1369026310 191194 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how deep is your love hth? < 1369026353 213148 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stayin' alive, ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' aliiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiive < 1369026406 811259 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1369026989 454211 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear ya. < 1369027009 213064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369027011 751423 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoping melatonin makes that possible for me. < 1369027144 81444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck! < 1369027166 362297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION took melatonin and 5-HTP occasionally, never really felt a definitive effect < 1369027176 198417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ymmv obviously :) < 1369027183 49648 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has cause to believe it'll help rather a lot < 1369027194 864461 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autism implies low melatonin, as does Prozac. < 1369027293 185480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately I've been having trouble sleeping, but for a more specific reason < 1369027298 403565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that i'm angry / worried about specific things < 1369027327 57388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's balanced out somewhat by the fact that I'm an unemployed bum again and don't need to get up at any particular time < 1369027328 681746 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sleeping less than once a day, so. < 1369027335 623927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can afford to spend 12 hours getting 8 solid hours of sleep < 1369027350 102249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pretty awful at sleep hth < 1369027370 873756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi) < 1369027396 485843 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one one < 1369027402 872608 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, sigstop is the best < 1369027448 734648 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure 5-HTP is pretty strongly counterindicated though. < 1369027486 533403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, serotonergic. < 1369027493 754705 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking terrible idea. < 1369027497 580417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a serotonin precursor :) < 1369027502 61665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :serotonin = 5-HT < 1369027511 532491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's counterindicated because of the prozac? < 1369027516 649759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1369027530 11557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is a 5-HT protagonist < 1369027563 680041 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like all SSRIs, mixing serotonergic substances produces serotonin syndrome. < 1369027592 981641 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to avoid ER trips. < 1369027635 266292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe so < 1369027646 609600 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, every time i hear another fact about ssris i dislike taking them more < 1369027662 153044 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Aside from the insomnia, it's been fucking great. < 1369027682 707994 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm apparently smilier but it's not really apparent to me < 1369027698 745533 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only been noticing recently. < 1369027716 257127 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But holy shit, I sound like I give a shit. :P < 1369027740 252583 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is one thing I did notice rather more quickly. < 1369027744 907509 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anhedonia kinda stopped. < 1369027777 719744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe you can move to sf and become my drugs dealer < 1369027782 881238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369027785 56278 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me, i guess < 1369027787 725389 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fuck depression < 1369027792 668288 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1369027798 226506 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anhedonia is, like, the worst thing. < 1369027842 476025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder if i should be on antidepressants < 1369027917 191457 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one way to find out! talking to a medical professional < 1369027933 118351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've been diagnosed with depression in the past < 1369027938 395745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i could have had antidepressants if i wanted them < 1369027969 712450 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was kinda... severe. < 1369028025 704131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead I took psychedelics like once a month < 1369028037 438141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think helped things < 1369028043 285417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's impossible to say for sure < 1369028059 464488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, antidepressants are also drugs < 1369028063 398305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be the same thing! < 1369028089 170037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be way more interested in my ssris if they were psychedelic. < 1369028122 94953 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also consider it pretyt likely that actually taking psychedelics sould get me some pretty bad trips, though. life is hard for meeeee < 1369028148 584447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369028168 63652 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anhedonia is maybe the worst thing. < 1369028173 295666 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, definitely. < 1369028204 99730 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spending pretty much of your day just idly wasting all your time because that's all you have the capacity for? Ugh. < 1369028227 536210 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to feel pretty strongly about how bad not feeling strongly about things was, but < 1369028254 308023 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1369028621 881708 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1369029209 187159 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369029729 201828 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1369029842 724491 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1369030465 959415 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369030517 221394 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369030743 984948 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1369030785 269764 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369030958 944681 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369031151 864393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No. < 1369031174 571778 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :straightforward. < 1369031483 935334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369031858 298645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did Leonard Nimoy tell you that, or someone else, or you? < 1369031939 379444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1369031954 610872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonard Nimoy told me < 1369032101 676577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Personally? < 1369032104 750982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1369032111 233275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :via television < 1369032126 327941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people have seen Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn, but only know them as lines on a map and don't know their significance or why they have the names they do. < 1369032146 719311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tropic of Calculus < 1369032160 243293 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true. i don't really care. probably some astrology thing < 1369032172 310340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you going to make up something called "Tropic of Calculus"? < 1369032184 9317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1369032204 698100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1369032256 462596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their significance is due to the Earth rotating on the different axis than it orbits the Sun. < 1369032271 907334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought _Tropic of Cancer_ was a book. < 1369032283 933505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe there is a book of the same name, too. < 1369032286 178338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out that it's "not a book. It is a cesspool, an open sewer, a pit of putrefaction, a slimy gathering of all that is rotten in the debris of human depravity."[20] < 1369032319 582693 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :common mistake < 1369032321 426594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I told someone that they are named after the astrological signs, they asked me why those specific signs. I know why; are you able to easily figure it out? < 1369032345 504237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." < 1369032382 63390 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tropic of cancer is named after the great crab migration that occurs along that line every year. the tropic of capricon is named after Jesüs Capricorn, a Nicean cartographer < 1369032410 865849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes; some people say they are named after the constellations, but this is only indirectly, because the signs are named after the constellations. < 1369032423 9956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, but nice to make a joke! < 1369032452 932936 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to make a joke, for sure < 1369032463 483835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The novel was subsequently banned in the United States until a 1961 Justice Department ruling declared that its contents were not obscene.[1]" < 1369032469 758526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of bizarre. < 1369032486 180909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :naming my next band Jesüs Capricorn < 1369032489 73861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shouldn't ban those books anymore, hopefully. < 1369032489 840381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they had declared its contents obscene, would it not be unbanned? < 1369032514 921096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You are going to make a next band? < 1369032534 824638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeXT band < 1369032542 150265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my next band will be nothing like my ex-band < 1369032561 569079 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: US censorship law os silly. But stuff can be or used to be banned for obscenity, yeah. < 1369032563 9893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How is your ex-band? < 1369032592 426136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo give me smut and nothing but < 1369032617 781316 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obscenity restrictions have kind of died out by now though. < 1369032622 17461 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice rhyme shachaf < 1369032636 831057 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a band too < 1369032650 51889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: no it was a quote < 1369032660 827332 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369032667 469283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :about obscenity trials????? < 1369032678 820826 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmaybe they have a band < 1369032704 191117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you know of spherical geometry, and how you might have different axis designated on a plain sphere? < 1369032706 72488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now they're going to take it all away from us unless we take a stand and hand in hand we fight for freedom of the press < 1369032735 447867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i owe you ticket money < 1369032752 574965 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369032769 592670 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1369032777 975436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, yes, let's freedom of the press. There is a cover of 2600 with Mickey Mouse and stuff and saying the MPAA is making it restricted unless you stand up for your rights, etc < 1369032784 346243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: four million ticket moneys please < 1369032791 24210 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1369032823 254236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to explain why the tropics are named after those two specific astrological signs, it would help to know about spherical geometry. Are you good enough at it? < 1369032849 964533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1369032864 960251 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus three was like, two years ago man, i ain't remember that far back < 1369032886 30169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be wise to remember that the same people who would stop you from listening to Boards of Canada may be back next year to complain about a book, or even a TV program. If you can be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you can be told what to say or think. Defend your constitutionally protected rights - no one else will do it for you. Thank you. < 1369032918 474841 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how boc's music videos are from shitty 50s films, goes well w/that < 1369032937 755196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the video for Dayvan Cowboy? < 1369032943 967942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is great < 1369032946 433067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe you can know that, on a plain (not rotating) sphere (here, the celestial sphere), you can designate the "equator" to be whatever great circle you want. In this case, there are two great circles, being the ecliptic and the actual equator. < 1369032946 867564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen many others < 1369032956 485893 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i tried to find the original footage from project excelsior, too, but no dice < 1369032967 858496 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of just watching a fall for so long < 1369032974 621109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369033047 95139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These two great circles must intersect. One of the intersection points will be called 0. < 1369033050 870425 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1369033145 566838 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o < 1369033167 389161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the equator, draw two parallel circles which have a constant latitude (called "declination" in astronomy), at the maxima/minima of the ecliptic. Now you have two more intersection points. At these two intersection points, the longitude calculated along the ecliptic will be 90 and 270. < 1369033246 527114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each astrological sign is 30 degrees, starting at Aries. (These are designated using "0 Aries" for 0 degrees past the start of Aries, "3 Taurus" for 3 degrees past the start of Taurus (which would be = 33 degrees), etc.) You would probably know the correct order of the signs, as you see in the newspaper. < 1369033284 496009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, the ecliptic longitude of 90 degrees = 0 Cancer, and 270 degrees = 0 Capricorn. < 1369033302 564502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why the tropics have the names they do. Is this OK? < 1369033489 483008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you care so much about astrology? < 1369033495 751753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know many people who do, I think. < 1369033571 617490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people are confuse and won't understand. That is why. < 1369033683 952451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is better to learn, rather than to be superstitious and not understanding anything about history and geometry and so on. < 1369033764 1874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you hear that CodensityAsk's new name is Free? hth < 1369033781 414925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Kind of. < 1369033824 757353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They called Free what is based on a class rather than a (* -> *) type, and there is already the other thing called Free, too. < 1369033889 175022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do *They* know? < 1369033957 16964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably know the similar things, but not exactly the same (a class rather than a (* -> *) type), and different name too. In mathematics, such things are common. < 1369033974 930830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369034008 114375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is far more related to Free than to Codensity. < 1369034024 432577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have (CodensityAsk w) if w is a comonad, then you will make a MonadPlus. < 1369034046 169676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it probably is, I just didn't know what name to put, and "Free" is already use for something else. < 1369034087 998964 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-223-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369034118 756530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should make (Either x) to be a MonadPlus if x is a monoid, and if you make (CodensityAsk ((->) x)) then that is what it will make. < 1369034290 900937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369034444 976585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know one relate to the other Free though, that if it can be written like (f x -> x) then the (CodensityAsk w) can be made like (Free f). < 1369034539 988277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, not everything is like that. < 1369034570 414563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, (CodensityAsk Predicate) makes something too. < 1369034740 523120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It makes a monad which has been made a different way before, in this case) < 1369034953 181823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CodensityAsk Predicate makes http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/infinite-search/0.12/doc/html/Data-Searchable.html monad. < 1369035820 920881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369036022 244979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369036180 912961 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369036181 622931 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369036662 74332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currying, < 1369036662 311205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a basic functional programming technique. < 1369036662 311330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in order to become a true JavaScript ninja, < 1369036662 311448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you really need to master is the art of < 1369036663 114357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional Programming. < 1369036706 789218 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1369036905 146530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you can make currying even in JavaScript. < 1369036954 781525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369036976 980526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you a true ninja? < 1369037095 878348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1369037157 505946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that free verse < 1369037234 314247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's Maybe Ninja < 1369037256 239158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means he could either be *just* a Ninja or nothing at all. < 1369037283 769422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 Ways Agile Startups Use The Maybe Monad To Scratch An Itch < 1369037334 60730 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1369037381 721962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369037439 215608 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1369037449 930832 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy kid on youtube eats the worlds hottest fuckin peppers < 1369037465 411541 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely stops reviewing them for flavor < 1369037507 136705 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres some dope eating this bhut jolokia pepper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZstObB4RVsQ < 1369037516 548565 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hottest pepper until 2011 < 1369037545 80315 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's this kid eat the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvJdXpyPma8&list=UUxWRubpdOSGxoNldIvPqsxw&index=3 < 1369037664 139617 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/channel/HCl5DV_XpguiI < 1369037670 83544 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at all these people just flip the fuck out < 1369037673 650262 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this kid is just like < 1369037674 631835 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369037694 839514 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah. mm. hm. thats a spicy pepper! < 1369037711 176369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369038160 746716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369038726 289413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misreading of the day: "crazy kid on youtube eats the worlds hottest fuckin papers". < 1369038933 543844 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah eat those papers < 1369038938 596724 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah eat em real good < 1369038949 704672 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369038960 453888 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: kids a pro, man < 1369038964 157488 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1369039715 59123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369039924 610344 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369040478 21571 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369040575 94201 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1369041240 926044 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369041745 901870 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369042501 963168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369043043 33783 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to carrots and cucumbers < 1369043277 765428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was carrots and peas. < 1369043467 185892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369043858 95766 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :She put the pea knish in her oven. < 1369044844 667533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369045370 130286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369045556 24973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1369046300 190846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369046408 914071 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1369046511 911588 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1369047204 150399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1369047262 687089 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369047388 919848 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1369055351 525911 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.130.90 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1369055915 758744 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369056485 775087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369057039 222743 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369057209 955795 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369057227 938163 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369057747 920899 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369058517 159186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369058982 158680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369059723 427041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 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:olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1369065542 425129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1369066319 302741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369066573 556648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369066674 337310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh my battery is defying physics < 1369066711 228735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369066771 81618 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369066861 656895 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1369066891 549898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battery 0: Discharging, 54%, 01:37:21 remaining < 1369066895 527908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :later: < 1369066896 677520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battery 0: Discharging, 50%, 02:31:54 remaining < 1369066957 211937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seems defying physics to me; it is 54% and then it says 50%. It is defying statistics, or something like that, I think. < 1369066986 702196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's referring to the estimated time remaining < 1369067016 313137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, but that part is estimated. < 1369067020 977382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt say estimated! < 1369067200 778396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually talking about time < 1369067468 977431 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369067488 971715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369067951 995415 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369068582 709122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :update: < 1369068583 482868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battery 0: Discharging, 40%, 01:15:53 remaining < 1369068585 589026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battery 0: Discharging, 39%, 01:43:15 remaining < 1369068704 957669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369068798 670696 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it pretty normal? < 1369068810 301872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo physics isn't normal < 1369068837 300962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Client Quit < 1369069202 916583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In what way? < 1369069230 417312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unsure < 1369069310 14065 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369069518 104671 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369069753 537934 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1369070087 967237 :Regis__!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369070176 725909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369070297 950643 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369070907 237487 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369071012 8069 :Regis__!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369071244 796618 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D Languages make it really hard to calculate runtime :( < 1369071541 165200 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1369071746 147807 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Beam is a really bad language < 1369072183 841572 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise it would be too easy < 1369072280 909785 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only easy way to program is using the brainfuck2beam script :) < 1369072303 468077 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it starts getting freaky ugly pretty soon. < 1369072381 537684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Thanks! < 1369072401 282882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do comparision without sacrificing the memory pointer < 1369074970 158047 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369075414 599296 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369076420 334875 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1369076511 229166 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1369076933 331831 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1369077053 720558 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369077082 158082 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369077278 309300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1369077470 426830 :Regis__!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369077702 157602 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369077965 72547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you read `olist < 1369078108 215962 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369078138 908099 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369078159 384871 :Regis__!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369078381 920679 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369078964 384641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369079836 937038 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369080179 330156 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369080479 278591 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-189.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1369081256 197228 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, i learned something from sigbovik: if you do [x for x in 1,2,3] then xi s later bound < 1369081424 950182 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought sigbovik was all jokes? < 1369081447 1620 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? o_O < 1369081449 937194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is a joke, yes < 1369081468 42353 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like x has a value after that? < 1369081470 580225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a joke hth < 1369081479 874792 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does < 1369081481 146676 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python 2 < 1369081483 558528 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't in Python 3 though. < 1369081497 68346 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: jokes written by CS people, so none of it's funny, just sad < 1369081503 436925 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1369081512 471646 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people use python 3? i seriously don't know < 1369081516 291471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to biologist jokes < 1369081527 45436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike tell us a biologist jokes < 1369081530 826083 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :biologists don't have jokes, we just spray each other with owl shit < 1369081531 122669 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i vaguely thought sigbovik was all jokes? oerjan: jokes written by CS people, so none of it's funny, just sad < 1369081537 76663 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1038) i vaguely thought sigbovik was all jokes? oerjan: jokes written by CS people, so none of it's funny, just sad < 1369081543 84320 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1369081558 607984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article lists the fictitious people, i.e., nonexistent people, which, unlike fictional people, are those somebody has claimed to actually exist. < 1369081569 487976 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :told you < 1369081600 970498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: But if you do list(x for x in (1,2,3)), x isn't. < 1369081607 772161 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it include people who started out fictional but were picked up by conspiracy theorists < 1369081615 997189 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fantastic. < 1369081638 763374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Generator expressions apparently have different rules than list comprehensions, or some such thing.) < 1369081640 816612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a little python 3 < 1369081647 29496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mostly no, people don't use it yet < 1369081657 183850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Django added support for Python 3 in their latest version, released a few months ago < 1369081661 138945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"experimental support" < 1369081675 960327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 3: it's like Perl 6 for the Pythoneers? < 1369081683 292917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite that bad < 1369081693 409253 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 3 has actual strings < 1369081699 569727 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That alone is a reason to use it. < 1369081711 451591 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python 2 doesn't? < 1369081716 174315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I don't think I'd put it that way -- the major change is just that they renamed str,unicode to bytes,str < 1369081717 996326 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1369081721 146752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is definitely a better name < 1369081738 183022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the new str type is a lot like the old unicode type < 1369081738 380991 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and went through the entire standard library to make sure everything reacts to unicode in a sane way < 1369081742 161958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369081751 776958 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mere fact that the default string is unicode drives people towards supporting it properly. < 1369081761 249343 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well non-unicode strings are still strings < 1369081761 659408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if you open a file you now need to specify the 'b' mode if you want bytes instead of string < 1369081766 231663 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this paper involves pattern matching with random scope. nice < 1369081771 922999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I agree that it's an important change, I just think "has actual strings < 1369081775 937802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is a misleading way to describe it < 1369081779 597452 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬u¬ < 1369081792 614818 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Well, not text strings < 1369081800 208957 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word "string" evokes the idea of text in most people. < 1369081803 833901 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most programmers at least. < 1369081807 127438 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://python3wos.appspot.com/ well then < 1369081816 914629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people need to start thinking of Unicode as /the/ standard and not some weird side thing that those unreasonable foreigners want < 1369081834 464094 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glances at zzo38 < 1369081838 232623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they do nowadays < 1369081843 456263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1369081845 903322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul graham got flamed a bunch for not having utf-8 support in arc :P < 1369081850 202446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course people will flame for anything < 1369081859 612392 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: who cares about arc < 1369081862 53443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"string" evokes the idea of "contiguous sequence of characters terminated by and including the first null character" in C programmers. < 1369081864 584898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only english speaking people in silicon valley deserve to use hacker news < 1369081872 335794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of bytes, you mean < 1369081876 657332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'char's < 1369081885 453174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, characters. That was a literal quote from the standard. < 1369081888 23922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1369081888 221144 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think of unicode as default, i think. this is probably because i was exposed to way too much shift-jis before i even started programming < 1369081897 537635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c_c < 1369081905 663390 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to do web stuff in python but python3 web stuff is still kind of not-there-yet < 1369081907 545615 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't "characters" just "values of the 'char' type", though < 1369081933 539424 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that type name is not a good one so we should ignore that < 1369081935 962442 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As char is not a character. < 1369081937 44658 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like.... mojibake is...... < 1369081944 625063 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1369081952 718099 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you shift-jis D: < 1369081954 12530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: For those C programmers, sure. < 1369081957 4051 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awful < 1369081964 206251 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually funnily enough in my shitty setup the name of my blog displays wrong because it's in russian, which is nice because it's the russian term for mojibake < 1369082006 472070 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: i think it's probably ok as long as it's actually indicated as such, so my computer doesn't try to display it as latin? < 1369082010 92504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I suppose due to whatever program you are working with, if it have to use Shift-JIS. < 1369082024 984819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself use ASCII as default. < 1369082036 315815 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eurocentrist < 1369082052 464869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reason isn't due to racism, but due to simplicity.) < 1369082070 126106 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki pona is simpler than english. your move!!! < 1369082082 772442 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but English is my native language, that's more simple you silly foreigners" < 1369082104 134214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I don't mean the *language*, I mean the *character encoding*. < 1369082120 353367 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unsuitable for most languages. < 1369082142 92915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki pona is cute < 1369082145 762224 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Fine and Proper(tm) English < 1369082152 215962 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one ASCII doesn't have curly quotes. < 1369082159 980523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, they say it isn't even completely suitable for English, but that is OK. < 1369082167 631939 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in b4 somebody mentions an ASCII variant that does) < 1369082176 410650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people should just learn English if they want to use computers" *ignores that using computers is now a global necessity* < 1369082191 136840 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use UTF-8 by default because it's the only sane encoding that does English, Finnish and Japanese. < 1369082199 877182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: learning English is a global necessity hth < 1369082204 470999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: you could stop after "encoding" < 1369082206 760689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People should learn to type fast if you want to use computers. < 1369082216 493564 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I don't mind software being in English. Might all be in English for all I care. < 1369082224 585154 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like my content in multiple languages < 1369082228 930594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369082230 857021 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u'oo\u0300o' # oòo < 1369082231 54184 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u'oo\u0300o'[::-1] # òoo < 1369082235 142795 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this is still dumb imo < 1369082242 220134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't fault small projects for not having the resources to translate the interface into 100 different languages < 1369082253 710015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can fault them if their code is so shitty that /users/ can't write content in their own languages < 1369082255 484198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I agree, but there are other ways to do it, too, depend what you are wanting to do, such as the software. Especially since even Unicode fails at some things. < 1369082260 383686 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't o\u0300 considered to be one char < 1369082264 457461 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this just a stupid thing python does < 1369082270 125524 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's \u0200 < 1369082270 641910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if they got like, the most used languages, at least. < 1369082272 531811 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0300 < 1369082274 411694 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combining diacritic? < 1369082275 807418 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining ` < 1369082285 663900 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it now... english, french, spanish, arabic, mandarin, and... i think one more < 1369082287 533411 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's a funny feature of Unicode. < 1369082291 999847 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hindi? < 1369082292 552282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably Python counts codepoints, not characters. < 1369082294 660215 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Python has normalization/denormalization functions < 1369082298 524340 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, probably hindi < 1369082303 862343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah module unicodedata < 1369082305 881399 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most languages count codepoints. < 1369082319 224484 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops, it's russian, not french. < 1369082319 946638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX has a way to allow entering curly quotation marks, and so on, even Greek alphabets, and you can write macros in TeX to allow it to read other encodings (including UTF-8), so you can make it read whatever you want even though it is ASCII by default. < 1369082329 186842 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to 2010 ethnologue, anyway. < 1369082329 384305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode strings shouldn't have reverse or length functions < 1369082330 321718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1369082330 926960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't say that ASCII is good enough for English when it doesn't even contain the currency symbol of England! < 1369082347 864511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If writing a program to deal with things that use Shift-JIS, then the program will support Shift-JIS too in those cases. < 1369082362 127191 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then bengali, portuguese, malay, japanese, and THEN french < 1369082383 280482 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh, there are more lusophones than francophones, that's not what i expected actually. < 1369082383 582028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a program that is mainly ASCII but is writing GD3 tags in VGM files, which are UTF-16 encoded, then this program can read UTF-8 input in those cases in order to convert to UTF-16, even if the rest of the program is ASCII. < 1369082393 468167 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i thought french was *huge* < 1369082406 923480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bengali... < 1369082411 125736 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well eleventh place still means over a hundred million people. < 1369082419 567978 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 200 million. < 1369082426 227305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: All that means is that the population is too much. < 1369082434 892434 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me? < 1369082491 644292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse you? < 1369082525 292336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this some Malthusian thing you're getting into < 1369082544 604813 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's not another Chinese until the 16th position, dang < 1369082556 644821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "some Malthusian thing" is. < 1369082582 414609 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes zzo38 reminds me of an infocom text adventure parser < 1369082585 474012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malthus. British guy, usually comes up when people talk about "overpopulation" < 1369082651 584962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am not British guy, but I am Canadian. < 1369082668 360243 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. you are not british guy. < 1369082776 624386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Adventures of British Guy < 1369082825 824501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be British < 1369082851 58597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have enough citizenships < 1369082902 787338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII's also missing þ ƿ ð ȝ ſ æ œ so how's you supposed to be writing proper English instead of some modern nonsense with it huh? < 1369082921 143473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what does "enough citizenships" mean < 1369082933 301985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is true, you can't, but it is still good enough for a lot of things, anyways. < 1369082956 475324 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369082971 388473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1369082974 207175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write Toki Pona with ASCII too, but that doesn't make it English. < 1369082985 564188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of people in English-speaking countries have non-ASCII names < 1369082987 459064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also doesn't make it Chinese. < 1369082994 707743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Tobias Fünke < 1369083061 134724 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-226-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369083077 838161 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369083079 184817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1369083084 133058 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-226-252.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1369083169 341460 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369083173 439501 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fünky names don't count hth < 1369083240 592409 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1369083293 670554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that ASCII already does some other things such as backspacing over a character to overtype it to make underlined or whatever, and to shift out to another character set, and so on? < 1369083296 961812 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369083308 281155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many systems implement that zzo38 < 1369083320 424696 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to be so fucking cool when i get an internet connection that isn't made of spit < 1369083325 111435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you include codes to shift to a different character set, then you're not sending just ASCII anymore < 1369083326 45372 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1369083328 456813 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1369083333 431504 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIT < 1369083334 819585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the result is probably much much worse than UTF-8 < 1369083344 996540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a superset of ASCII but without locking shifts < 1369083354 93621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i'm arguing with zzo38 about this though < 1369083360 371379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe next I'll argue about why HTTP is superior to Gopher < 1369083362 747585 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches a billion errors pop up in his uninterruptible download < 1369083410 34048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Linux implements the shift-out and shift-in codes to make degree sign and a few other things. < 1369083437 474219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ISO 2022 codes for the DEC ACS are still pretty widely implemented, unfortunately < 1369083453 100811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who still has backspace for combining characters < 1369083465 475353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think they are good, and I still use them when applicable. < 1369083485 125211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 2022 is pretty complicated < 1369083489 333232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not stateless like UTF-8 < 1369083534 715571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the subset used by Linux works a bit better. And it isn't true that UTF-8 is stateless, due to Arabic text shaping and RTL and so on. < 1369083544 513334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, true < 1369083557 467466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 as an encoding for codepoints in the Universal Character Set is stateless < 1369083578 699904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you move from UCS to Unicode then you now have a bunch of character properties and instructions on how to display the characters < 1369083588 20503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think ISO 2022 has a better story for bidi though... < 1369083610 513154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you shift into an Arabic codepage you will still need to know how to join up characters < 1369083631 367260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, I use the very simple subset, not the compilcated one, anyways. < 1369083666 683099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, as an encoding of numbers UTF-8 still depends on multiple bytes and keeping a state between them, but it is easy to rewind, and UTF-8 is a pretty good way to do this in a way which is compatible with principle of extended ASCII. < 1369083690 846897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just saying that the actual character set it is used with (Unicode) is not very good; like you wait, you now have a bunch of character properties and instructions on how to display the characters, and that kind of stuff. < 1369083806 455807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, some programs might read UTF-8 and not care about actual Unicode characters; for example, VGMCK reads UTF-8 only as numbers and then converts them into UTF-16, and doesn't actually care what characters anything represents, except for surrogates, and ASCII codes which aren't overlong. < 1369083820 569978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1369083827 986724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of programs are like that really < 1369083838 161504 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369083840 552689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there may be. < 1369083847 411153 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369083869 776139 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1369083909 749097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite does this too, although using a bit different algorithm (which still works for valid UTF-8); in most cases you can still turn it off by casting to blob but there are some functions where this doesn't work and I think this can be considered a bug. < 1369083925 136631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has such a great way of thinking about things < 1369083929 729417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++ < 1369083938 765957 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo39 < 1369084180 988105 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-189.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1369084571 182210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overlong encodings happens to be the only way in VGMCK to write GD3 tags containing trailing ASCII spaces (although usually there is no need to do that anyways). < 1369084864 282127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any SQL allow you to make anonymous tables, triggers, views, etc, and to make overrides on views which can be stacked together? < 1369085340 678404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you mean by 'anonymous tables' but maybe nested select is like that? < 1369085438 918206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean a table that actually stores data in the database and can be referenced by a value in a table, but you can create them without having to specify a name and conflict with existing tables. Similar idea with triggers, views, overrides, etc. < 1369085482 621946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL doesn't normally have overrides on views, though, I think (I mean overriding to read the view; overriding to write them is already implemented by triggers) < 1369085634 236075 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369086163 58142 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: Night < 1369086521 367602 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/wbFVRHb.png < 1369086702 739841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369086712 567447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i was going to say yes too < 1369086713 508569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but forgot < 1369086715 443581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oneweirdkerneltrick.com/ http://sigbovik.org/2013/ < 1369086729 182322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo does anyone know about: xmonad, dzen2, getting it to highlight urgent workspaces properly < 1369086770 312958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows < 1369086811 836427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thmc < 1369086815 945189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like THC amirite < 1369086833 430527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369086869 851934 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a wonderful idea for a language :D < 1369086876 350648 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should essentially be C# < 1369086888 894616 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the compiler will detect redundancy and pointless casts < 1369086902 758016 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is too much of that, it should delete itself and the IDE < 1369086923 956018 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's redundancy < 1369086957 362581 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (foo == true) { bar = true; } < 1369086959 814115 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of thing < 1369086980 517310 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that redundant < 1369087043 736951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all shit < 1369087073 156295 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1369087151 99643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar|=foo; Is it OK? < 1369087714 268988 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler should simply suggest: did you mean "if ((foo == true) == true) " ? < 1369087799 186748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beginners often do if (x) { return true; } else { return false; } < 1369087831 540732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have seen that; I have even seen: if (x) { return true; } else { return true; } < 1369087836 782207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1369087841 681474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x == true is pretty common too < 1369087854 407738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in some languages that's not equivalent to 'x' < 1369087871 543009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares about that though < 1369087876 328752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also depend where it is used, such as use in a boolean, etc < 1369087877 617561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when it isn't equivalent to x it's the wrong thing to right < 1369087877 815843 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1369087883 384453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should say x == 1 instead < 1369087885 905754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since clearly x isn't a boolean < 1369087886 335808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wrong thing to right. < 1369087892 581103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1369087905 813445 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have multiple things treated as true, including but not limited to booleans < 1369087907 739244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see x == True a lot in haskell even < 1369087927 440175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you might want to check that x is a true boolean, as distinct from checking whether x is true < 1369087940 279862 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know this so i said it. < 1369087947 162109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't believe in variables having several possible types < 1369087950 864189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said what everyone was thinking < 1369087954 468923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not part of my religion < 1369087971 119037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about tagged unions!! or something i don't care. < 1369087979 886911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually didn't even think of that possible use before you mentioned it < 1369087991 736133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i have indoctrinated myself well < 1369087997 458511 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1369088005 647009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a tagged union you wouldn't say (x == true) :p < 1369088013 391594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in Haskell? Yes, I have seen it a bit in a Haskell code too, which is even worse than making it in a C code. < 1369088015 190177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you elliott. WOULDN'T YOU < 1369088017 308931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO booleans are still the devil < 1369088024 134012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1369088031 266085 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use trivalent logicks < 1369088032 281631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they discard information < 1369088037 840919 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the booleans? they are legion < 1369088042 155756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see e.g. http://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/boolean-blindness/ < 1369088075 442886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, my browser can't render text right now < 1369088078 153636 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i suck at computers < 1369088091 556053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like me to paste the whole thing into #esoteric < 1369088096 329236 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes plz < 1369088106 910025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any objections < 1369088108 457070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, why don't you download it using a command-line? < 1369088117 8688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry Bike can't do it < 1369088135 95779 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1369088137 133072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't download it using a command-line? < 1369088139 241846 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever i think i get the idea < 1369088148 313665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have x == 4 you want that to be a proof that x equals 4 or something < 1369088149 919484 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my guess < 1369088151 281275 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369088154 208198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really < 1369088161 129638 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well: fuck. < 1369088166 508734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like often you don't want to separate the test and resulting computation in the first place < 1369088190 529418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "case m of Nothing -> ...; Just x -> ...x..." is better than "if isNothing m then ... else ...(fromJust m)..." < 1369088218 469895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a test in a compiler and using optimization, then it can be a proof that x equals 4, possibly. < 1369088220 677239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUALITY PAPER™ /The view from the left/™ shows this even applies to things like numeric comparisons and subtraction in a dependently-typed setting < 1369088230 128880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why don't you just use the "maybe" function which is for that purpose? < 1369088261 354582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :case...of has nicer syntax when you would have a lambda for the just case < 1369088264 332908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*J < 1369088304 307603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well that's not really disagreeable, and thus boring, so there < 1369088309 261345 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagreeenting < 1369088325 638869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1369088329 853130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised how often people disagree with it < 1369088352 274423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO why do your precious lisps have this stuff all over the place then????????? < 1369088390 720742 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wouldn't be, remember that perl guy i mentioned? he said he didn't get maybe because you should just check if the thing is in a table before extracting it (re a hopefully obvious example) < 1369088409 309834 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO because are you six, or rather why are you humorously acting six < 1369088429 188537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern matching?!??!??? useless academic nonsense imo < 1369088450 206391 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man my browser is still fucked. this sucks. stupid ubuntu < 1369088463 120865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: pretty sure you'll find that lisp sux < 1369088471 585089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also has that guy even heard of a race condition lol < 1369088487 739544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(race conditions: ALSO THE FAULT OF BOOLEANS) < 1369088502 615258 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the point at which i decided to stop caring even more than i'd already stopped < 1369088514 709968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double stopped. stoppppped. < 1369088529 59856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sto"poop"ed < 1369088537 437136 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369088560 593061 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa i'm kinda enlightened by booleans being bad here < 1369088583 284911 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i <3 absolutist principles < 1369088606 680270 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo remove Bool from haskell :-) < 1369088651 854858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also hate strings, even unicode strings ~getting controversial in here~ < 1369088656 31936 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one weird old trick elliotts don't want you to know < 1369088664 899639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like strings. they're good for pumping lemmas. alt: what < 1369088676 956936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like pooping lemmas < 1369088684 793505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doing good with the six year old thing?? < 1369088700 880471 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doing good < 1369088753 383946 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want streams or something instead < 1369088755 926293 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When dealing with “computers”, at least their physical manifestations and not some abstract mathematical idea, there is exactly one type, a boolean bit, and exactly one operation: NAND (Not AND). For those unfamiliar with this principle, I suggest the wikipedia article on NAND logic. < 1369088758 152900 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love this comment < 1369088758 661094 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so I read the article you pointed to and I don't get it < 1369088768 305387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: ok < 1369088770 535647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: lol beautiful < 1369088782 298655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well i think it's largely an artefact of history that "sequence of codepoints" is a thing people care about < 1369088787 726122 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, MATHEMATICIANS with your fancy "numbers" < 1369088795 915717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than like "sequence of characters with X, Y and Z formatting" < 1369088802 303994 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uh i'm used to the latter < 1369088804 343745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like .txt is a pretty weird file format, really < 1369088809 340260 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is what i think of when i think "string" < 1369088821 943947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think of something with formatting when you think of "string"?? < 1369088823 465955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe you < 1369088835 430808 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought .txt had no formatting at all < 1369088836 119658 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... okay not formatting. but characters, not codepoints. < 1369088858 775396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's kind of a deeply ingrained thing < 1369088860 471700 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if I open TextEdit and create a new file and write "hello" and save it as hello.txt and then cat hello.txt I'd get "hello" < 1369088874 546698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that strings of this kind are ubiquitous at every level of unix and networking protocols < 1369088874 888690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: where's that comment from < 1369088882 480942 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though technically lisp characters (whoa man!!) can (don't nowadays) have formatting and fot info in them. < 1369088884 993849 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: from elliott's article on booleans < 1369088890 917586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: yes that is because terminals are biased to strings < 1369088894 149683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't write that article :P < 1369088906 430425 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately lisp characters turned out to be mildly terrible, so. < 1369088910 225685 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: from the artile elliott pointed to a few moments ago < 1369088924 176140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type theory is a lie because computers are made of bits < 1369088924 951768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1369088935 278745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how many ignorant statements from programmers boil down to "Yeah! Fuck abstraction!" < 1369088949 318040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all the complaining about how software isn't written in assembly anymore < 1369088952 536459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just too easy to make stuff < 1369088957 478100 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll show you my ab straction *flexes* < 1369088989 537222 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah computers are dumb really I mean electricity going "on" and "off"? I have that in a simple lightbulb I don't need a freaking computer < 1369089023 401651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: if you were hoping i could shed light on the meaning of the article then i will need more detail as to what you did not understand about it btw < 1369089056 602311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Well, in a computer it goes automatically and faster. < 1369089066 118424 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep this in mind, koen. < 1369089084 266873 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know it just felt empty you know? < 1369089092 91296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even dijkstra made the error of conflating booleans and propositions btw < 1369089095 655553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unfortunate < 1369089105 198552 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this article really left my soul wanting more. < 1369089110 530468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It depend much of what computer; if writing a program only for a specific computer then assembly language is OK (and this is still done), but often you will make a portable program in C, or whatever, or use other programming languages for other purposes. < 1369089135 547807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for clearing that up < 1369089153 205733 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah well i'll practice hitting the switch back and forth you'd be amazed what I can do with my fingers < 1369089183 592368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you know what's a cool electromechanical system? fingers *winks seductively at elliott* < 1369089202 437239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen em fing < 1369089215 25189 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna learn z80 assembly so i can program cool stuff on my ti calculator < 1369089217 122752 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369089253 423608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Yes, that would make the program faster than the built-in programming language, and doing some additional things such as grayscale instead of only black and white < 1369089274 144492 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how thanks to twitter i can see the same person say the same thing in two different places, rapidly < 1369089284 481234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1369089295 166959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't only Twitter that does that. < 1369089295 929493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you hitting on me < 1369089298 26674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hm that was a cool thing, i should put it on my twitter" "hm that was a cool thing, i should discuss it on irc" < 1369089313 111426 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am hitting on your histamine complex < 1369089316 743519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also isn't only IRC that does that. < 1369089330 158651 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369089350 945875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that on any computer. < 1369089390 747637 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#I_do_it_in_real_life_and_I'm_not_ashamed < 1369089416 585328 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :koen sits at his computer, pronouncing apostrophes. < 1369089439 942177 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a breathtaking activity < 1369089531 243003 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "true hashtag way" to do things is drop all spaces to make sure nobody can read your bullshit < 1369089549 188862 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of substituting underscores) < 1369089592 242768 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369089727 449208 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369089790 83916 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369089857 243243 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369089900 3437 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man. asm is actually really easy < 1369089921 70395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, ha < 1369089953 272328 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369090006 908987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never written program for TI calculators in ASM, but I have written the Famicom Hangman game in 6502 assembly language. < 1369090012 470564 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. more like "simple" < 1369090018 9148 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369090025 566694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1369090026 149605 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, ha < 1369090079 859159 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also make sure it isn't x86? I hear that's bad < 1369090103 67227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern x86 is really complicated and stupid. < 1369090111 423321 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much simpler to have conditionals on every instruction or w/e pick an architecture < 1369090116 101087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older x86 is a bit OK. < 1369090136 603666 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it have 7 character long mnemonics or something < 1369090162 771241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that had better not be your idea of "bad" though. < 1369090237 184043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mnemonics aren't a machine code. < 1369090300 4551 :Regis__!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369090344 375221 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if they'd be all like 'jump_eq' that would be nice, but I'm remembering stuff like 'cdhlrxz_' < 1369090377 3292 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know those are both pretty awful examples < 1369090464 888323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is super complicated, but if you are writing assembly by hand, you can use a pretty simple subset < 1369090497 110514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more complicated if you need to do gnarly systems programming, high performance SIMD code, or read the output of a compiler < 1369090506 48030 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369090535 753921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you writing it by hand, you can also use things that some compilers won't do such as BCD. In 64-bit mode they removed BCD but added a bunch of junk. < 1369090682 455165 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any assembly dialects where the "human" code looks like a modern programming language. like you'd write "a = 5;" instead of "lda #5" < 1369090700 400057 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're called "high level assemblers". < 1369090773 596231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you've all seen, but http://theworstroom.tumblr.com/ < 1369090775 874802 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does nooodl get to learn about that thing i learned about the other day < 1369090776 91479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fantastic < 1369090780 753932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If you're generating it with a compiler, you can also use a pretty simple subset! < 1369090791 116040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but not if you want best performance < 1369090819 609523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that makes x86 so complex is just that there's so much of it. < 1369090849 380276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mainly, yes. < 1369090858 329323 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today, I'm going to bed right now, my arm is starting to hurt from holding my phone :( < 1369090864 111599 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1369090899 871665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly yeah < 1369090902 828503 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically I've already gone to bed I just need to sleep in it hth < 1369090903 25737 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1369090903 223235 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1369090903 223376 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1369090937 645121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being CISC, there are some ways in which x86 assembly is easier to write by hand < 1369090940 958977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :than other architectures < 1369090954 471405 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy. < 1369090969 856354 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I may write a thesis about context-free languages. < 1369090972 659200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with that being the original design intent. :) < 1369090979 30968 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a thought. < 1369090997 879340 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original design intent was that it be easy to write by hand? I guess we should abandon it. < 1369091053 912749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heyday of RISC has come and gone, though < 1369091071 309817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :having lots of simple, wide instructions isn't so good when memory bandwidth is everything < 1369091101 722959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate architectures < 1369091103 550425 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It turns out that it happens to have a side benefit in modern times. < 1369091106 828653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single wonnuvem < 1369091110 966283 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's redundant, elliott < 1369091117 838542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1369091118 550619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about @ < 1369091120 669145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the reduceron < 1369091121 106131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 tends to have smaller code, which leads to better performance. < 1369091132 299488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hate everything. < 1369091137 7140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: @ runs on x86-64 because i'm too cheap to buy an fpga < 1369091137 326942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, it's not a design intent or anything, so in principle it could be improved upon. < 1369091144 314213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clock speeds have stopped increasing, but transistor density is still going up < 1369091146 115659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There are lots of things elliott doesn't hate. < 1369091153 104473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The _The View From the Left_. < 1369091154 793280 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1369091156 891466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/The/Like/ < 1369091161 973947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can more and more afford complicated decode logic and stuff < 1369091169 506909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's /The view from the left/ you shachaf you < 1369091189 29512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why is it /s and not _s. < 1369091191 278224 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And some really *quite* specialized instructions too. < 1369091193 490499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean the capitalization? < 1369091195 234144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's cute that clock speeds are going down < 1369091199 713466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever heard of "worse-is-better" programming? Simplicity is the most important consideration, and simplicity of the implementation is a bit better than simplicity of the interface. < 1369091199 910583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i meant the capitalisation as well as the // < 1369091208 941858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're right on the capitalisation. < 1369091209 632207 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like SSE-4.2's CRC opcode. < 1369091215 633700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's surely _s? Why would it be /s? < 1369091217 659929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM is getting very popular but it's also getting less RISCy < 1369091221 521603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because //s look more italic < 1369091230 89570 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame it's using a somewhat less popular polynomial, but eh. < 1369091232 214487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But italicization is the devil? < 1369091250 470224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern ARM has a lot of stupid stuff, which is one reason why I wanted to make the computer out of ARM2. < 1369091255 771158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_The view from the left_ < 1369091257 90888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1369091258 866790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :el diablo < 1369091261 689976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1369091268 839664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't i switch workspaces < 1369091275 818315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1369091278 417610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1369091280 799138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1369091295 118177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/img_13/screen1.png < 1369091310 27400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: gopher: url plz thx < 1369091330 740941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellllllllp < 1369091335 452865 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1369091374 443026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1369091394 593798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.org/Iimages/13screen1.png < 1369091460 80333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Thanks. < 1369091469 206312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand that picture. < 1369091469 403604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok seriously < 1369091470 952019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1369091473 629013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i fix xmonad < 1369091479 811804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion3 hth < 1369091517 738585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is a computer game (MegaZeux). < 1369091531 640966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome doesn't gopher :( < 1369091544 619109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does firefox < 1369091551 174621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like firefucks < 1369091558 90046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: True, but you can use other standalone gopher clients. FireFox will with a extension "OverbiteFF". < 1369091573 579185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a extension for Chrome too but it won't work.) < 1369091578 241765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: curl does < 1369091583 741848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1369091611 842823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, or just use echo image/13screen1.png | nc zzo38computer.org 70 > screen1.png or something like that < 1369091629 90020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us do that < 1369091639 696160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 File not found < 1369091646 172628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's iamges < 1369091647 674607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :images < 1369091652 403580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I misspelled it. < 1369091661 479108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow gopher is complicated < 1369091668 5609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going back to http < 1369091669 203939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1369091686 405033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is only complicated because you don't understand it. < 1369091703 803385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$.ajax("gopher://zzo38computer.org/Iimages/13screen1.png") < 1369091719 409210 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :web framework of the future < 1369091751 870503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/audio.c:48:26: fatal error: vorbis/codec.h: No such file or directory < 1369091754 987891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is hard < 1369091763 660678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install * < 1369091780 115280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to have a debian system with every package < 1369091783 542232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have to worry about installing again < 1369091793 781529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the biggest menus. < 1369091833 605516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you type the name of program that isn't installed, some computers will tell you what the proper package is to install that program. < 1369091842 751242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK, now what? < 1369091855 124631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Load World < 1369091858 882166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do? < 1369091882 336093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux is hard < 1369091883 977620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Select a world file; I will provide some. < 1369091892 274265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make your own (push F8 to enter the editor). < 1369091909 416162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, provide me some. < 1369091912 478931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own fork of MegaZeux, which is somewhat outdated though, but you can install both if you want (I have done). < 1369091931 317912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have them only in HTTP at this time, but my server does support headerless HTTP which means you can download them without HTTP. < 1369091941 688248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are also compressed meaning you need to unzip them. < 1369091954 350360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want a fork..... < 1369091958 997866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is one: http://zzo38computer.org/mzx1/potionconf/potion_of_confusing.zip < 1369091968 731481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is more: http://zzo38computer.org/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/ascmzxto.zip < 1369091977 7791 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369091988 512658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You don't need a fork, but I find the fork has a much improved editor. < 1369092003 346552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I run those without the fork? < 1369092021 316694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can, but http://zzo38computer.org/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/ASCMZXII.ZIP requires the fork. < 1369092043 701407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Uh, I have a problem. < 1369092053 471222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My right arrow key and End key are broken. < 1369092058 735368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even the forked version normally uses compatibility mode, so even though I used the forked version to make these world files, they can be played in any version.) < 1369092064 42904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever since I spilled some liquid on my laptop. < 1369092069 919538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, too bad, the game requires the right arrow key. < 1369092075 468368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I still play potion_of_confusing without them? < 1369092076 878461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1369092085 597305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :potion_of_confusing sounds really good. < 1369092087 888339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do need the right arrow key, but not the end key. < 1369092091 424770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me an hjkl-compatible version? < 1369092091 939156 :Regis__!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1369092096 963668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connect another keyboard. < 1369092103 509696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't. < 1369092108 320360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other options? < 1369092118 380311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, due to how MegaZeux is working. However, you can try to modify the source-code of MegaZeux to accept HJKL, but then some other games will fail. < 1369092163 650957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1369092174 856496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does potion_of_confusing use hjkl for anything else? < 1369092182 948651 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mega Zeux < 1369092284 126106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this game doesn't. < 1369092320 270534 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369092436 654410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can also use a joystick, though. < 1369092463 383659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try that? < 1369092482 402619 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you give an API a URL, and you can see content at that URL, would you expect the API to interact with the URL in some way? < 1369092485 869805 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to retrieve it? < 1369092488 705898 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use it? < 1369092500 74201 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369092507 440531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, and based on that assumption, decided that some code was wrong < 1369092510 504058 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And argued as much < 1369092522 45822 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... worked out that my assumption was wrong. < 1369092538 914785 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, the code looks at the URL, takes the last part, and sends it somewhere else entirely < 1369092539 112195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do I patch megazeux? :-( < 1369092547 487381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you happen to have a patch readymade? < 1369092548 488942 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making code that looks like it shouldn't work, work completely < 1369092568 881413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I don't. Modify the source-codes yourself (I think in game.c or game2.c) < 1369092627 25446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just use an on-screen keyboard? < 1369092628 562646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tried changing keysym.h but it didn't work. < 1369092754 479627 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: gone < 1369092873 585405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: oh 118 is also good < 1369092939 106888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: game.c near "if((get_key_status(keycode_internal, IKEY_UP)) &&" < 1369093012 63662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Right, but I swapped IKEY_UP with IKEY_k < 1369093046 908570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1369093051 20634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it got TOO SWAPPED. < 1369093056 526248 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369093316 54793 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.216.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369093471 694773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :We drank all the throwing wine | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1369093733 288320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do I make it work? < 1369093741 891664 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369093743 9872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the values in event.c and it still doesn't seem to. < 1369093843 835117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I *really* want to play potion_of_confusing... < 1369093911 65316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1369093916 587728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have been messing with event_sdl.c!!!!!!!!!! < 1369093995 920894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I/i/ < 1369094020 796925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It works! < 1369094113 289381 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf no < 1369094113 623259 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1369094133 371659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theworstroom.tumblr.com/post/50906877201/east-elmhurst-queens-450-00-kiralik-salon this seems like a p. good deal really < 1369094155 832336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i was just thinking that i should find that tumblr again now that my browser isn't shit < 1369094202 932632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does anyone live in nyc < 1369094207 984714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems impossible to me < 1369094223 101808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i... new york... < 1369094224 286906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm in a big blank room. < 1369094224 548175 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1369094226 947953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be stuck. < 1369094229 360383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do? < 1369094263 461530 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i'm pretty sure like fourteen billion people do, unless maybe they're lying. < 1369094286 45176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression of new york is that there are toom any buildings and they are all gigantic and claustrophobic and everything is way too high up and also it's too bright and noisy all the time < 1369094290 948953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the worst < 1369094302 843619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f you, urban density is great < 1369094312 517413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason people are willing to pay outrageous money to live there < 1369094358 887222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's actually the worst and terrible and unbearable < 1369094363 750036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would suffocate < 1369094383 531197 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-210.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is an unevolved human who can not yet breathe asphalt < 1369094385 282490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyc is nice to visit < 1369094388 319974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. i might be both a bit claustrophobic and scared of heights and also awful at dealing with noise so i'm not the most objective judge here < 1369094396 199509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i've never been to nyc ever < 1369094399 859479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm pretty sure i'd hate it