00:00:00 also digestives go amazingly well with cheese 00:00:05 Sgeo: oh yeah didn't it have some kind of squeak whatever 00:00:08 they are underpowered and hard to run regular linux on 00:00:12 Bike: apaprently it's the most popular thing in .uk?????????? 00:00:18 kmc: so, like a netbook. 00:00:20 if you really want to play with their software (and ideally contribute) then go ahead 00:00:21 and that's the actual name 00:00:24 Bike: worse 00:00:37 that's impressive, because my phone is better than my netbook. 00:00:38 Bike: they aren't even IBM-compatible, they use OpenFirmware, which is cool, but Different 00:00:39 Bike: digestives are fucking delicious 00:00:41 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:00:46 actually they might be IBM compatible now because they need to run windows now 00:00:51 Phantom_Hoover: well they're similar to crackers 00:00:54 why do they need to run windows? 00:00:56 just thicker and sweeter and stuff 00:00:58 so that's not surprising 00:01:00 eff revolution in ethiopia, maaaaan 00:01:05 and not as dense 00:01:25 Bike: because nicholas negroponte is a shithead, AIUI 00:01:37 i have no idea hwo that is 00:01:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Negroponte 00:02:03 the XO can do a few cool things though 00:02:05 http://24.media.tumblr.com/0eddc566cf8a80aa7f06e3af29a3460e/tumblr_mmx0p9PLo11qc6j5yo1_1280.jpg river of blood 00:02:12 i ran mine off of four RC car batteries that i crudely wired to it 00:02:13 oh i thought XO was hugs and kisses 00:02:17 which powored it for at least 24h 00:02:17 like HTH but more friendly 00:02:23 it will accept any DC input in vaguely the right range 00:02:25 mnoqy: can i have hugs and kisses 00:02:28 mnoqy: good idea xo 00:02:41 shachaf: do you have someone from which to receive them 00:02:46 mnoqy: you 00:02:46 «From 1993 to 1998, he contributed a monthly column to the magazine in which he reiterated a basic theme: "Move bits, not atoms."» i'm drowning 00:02:49 shachaf: UM 00:03:02 mnoqy: no? :☹( 00:03:19 kmc: oh, that's definitely good, given how common generators are as a power source 00:03:20 i dont do the "Hugs and Kiss Strangers not Even people I Know" 00:03:29 im not a Hugs and Kisses guy 00:03:29 * kmc is watching the The Office series finale on an *actual TV* at the *actual air time* 00:03:32 mnoqy: you dont know me...........? 00:03:43 I want to buy cheap computers for some reason 00:03:54 shachaf: what does it mean to know someone 00:04:00 I think I have a Pentium II machine somewhere 00:04:04 Bike: yeah, also they made this big gadget that will charge like 20 XO batteries at once, and also had integrated power brick so you could power the laptop while you switch out batteries 00:04:04 oh fuck is this guy a futurist 00:04:28 so the idea is that a small town has a few of those? nice. 00:04:34 Bike: yeah or like one per school 00:04:34 mnoqy: do you do just hugs 00:04:41 also they have that wireless mesh networking 00:04:44 i don't know if that actually worked 00:04:45 but cool idea 00:04:47 that i did know about 00:04:50 i can do handshakes 00:04:57 mnoqy: hugshakes? 00:04:58 and thumbs up 00:04:59 i know the firmware for it was one of the only non-free components :/ 00:05:03 would be cool if i lived in an area with multiple internet connections? 00:05:03 mnoqy: that's where you hug someone and then shake them 00:05:04 sometimes i even do a high five it's weird 00:05:14 Hm come to think of it that handshake may have just been in a dream 00:05:15 «David Houle (born 1948) is a futurist, keynote speaker, and author of The Shift Age. He coined the phrase The Shift Age and identified this new age as the successor to the Information Age in 2007.» fuuuuck 00:05:19 er 00:05:22 not handshake 00:05:23 high five 00:05:25 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:05:30 THE AGE OF SHIFT 00:05:30 i do hand shakes All the Time i did 2 today can you believe it 00:05:35 mnoqy: imo come to san francisco and hug everyone 00:05:36 mnoqy: wow handshakes are awful tho 00:05:45 hugs are way more viable by virtue of not being handshakes 00:05:48 a BA in art history 00:05:57 making him as qualified to talk about future technology as: my mom 00:06:08 -!- ais523 has quit. 00:06:18 elliott: how about the high five? the one that i experienced either in dream or real life was one of those ones where you like go in for a handshake but then you slap the hands together and pull them away and fist bump 00:06:27 mnoqy: "high five" = the devil 00:06:28 i have reasons for doubting this ever happened 00:06:32 oh man the publisher is called "Booksurge" 00:06:32 high fives are....... okay..... 00:06:34 that's amazing 00:06:36 except not really 00:06:38 no they re not 00:06:40 shachaf: it's more of a middle five, really 00:06:43 since it depends on the person you're high fiving not hurting your hand a bunch!! 00:06:46 kmc: do they integrate with that bank card thing? 00:06:46 and stuff 00:06:48 mnoqy "five"s of any kind are the devil 00:06:52 Bike: ? 00:07:00 even sixes are the devil (if you have six fingers) 00:07:01 even low fiveS???? 00:07:03 and fours 00:07:09 mnoqy: ANY FIVES 00:07:11 what if i have 2 fingers 00:07:21 kmc: the thing where you have a cellphone operable like a debit card, and it's in a lot of 3rd world countries 00:07:21 then twos are evil too 00:07:30 mnoqy: why don't you like hugs 00:07:32 oh like M-Pesa? 00:07:40 Can TVs be used as a monitor? 00:07:41 how would OLPC integrate with that 00:07:42 shachaf: it's a cultural thing 00:07:46 i dunno 00:07:52 i'm not in the Hugs Are a Normal Thing culture 00:07:55 oh, well ihaven't heard of any integration 00:07:55 somehow 00:07:58 Sgeo: yes 00:08:05 mnoqy: which culture are you in 00:08:11 mnoqy: have you considered switching 00:08:11 and I'm Very Not In the Kisses Are a Normal Thing culture 00:08:17 just wondering like... what are they for, and stuff 00:08:22 kmc: are you in the hugs are a normal thing culture 00:08:26 beyond some kind of piagetian education 00:08:32 Sgeo: most TVs have HDMI in, and most computers have HDMI output or DVI output (and DVI can be converted to HDMI with a simple cheap adapter) 00:08:45 Sgeo: also the TV in my house has a VGA input, some others have DVI input too 00:09:15 Well, my TV kind of sucks 00:09:20 I should check though 00:09:21 10 years ago I had a video card with composite and component video out 00:09:30 and uh, that multi-pin thing that was better than composite but not as good as component 00:09:31 But then again, still probably better to get a server than a Raspberry PI 00:09:41 S-Video 00:10:03 mnoqy: imo learn to hugs 00:10:08 shachaf: yes I am 00:10:20 kmc: can i hug you next time i see you 00:10:22 sure! 00:10:27 ok "its decided" 00:10:46 I want to buy stuff 00:10:50 One time I was in a play and the director had to teach me how to hug properly for it. 00:11:08 Then again it was an unusual sort of hug. 00:11:21 Sgeo: welcome to consumerism 00:11:32 why do people want to buy things 00:11:38 i guess i'm also in the platonic cuddling culture a bit 00:11:41 my friends more so 00:11:45 commercials + also food 00:11:50 mnoqy: what do you think about platonic cuddling 00:11:58 (that means cuddling with platonic solids i think) 00:11:59 did plato ever cuddle anyone 00:12:01 the real question here 00:12:17 ive never seen platonic cuddling happen ever i dont think 00:12:20 one of plato's dialogues is two guys arguing over who's more worthy of fucking a kid 00:12:30 so: maybe 00:12:33 we had people piles in college 00:12:36 cuddling seems like a more Intimate Affection thing 00:12:39 people piles 00:12:39 Bike: wow 00:12:41 is that like an orgy 00:12:47 ps i dont know what an orgy is 00:12:51 yes it's like an orgy except that everyone has their clothes on and there's no sex 00:13:09 hm maybe it's more like football 00:13:15 people make piles in football right 00:13:19 like football execpt that everyone has their clothes on and there's no sex 00:13:21 american football? 00:13:38 elliott: that's not very much like football at all hth 00:13:42 elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rival_Lovers behold 00:13:47 the problem with football is i dont know the real name for american football 00:13:56 but i know that other football can be called soccer 00:14:04 it's "american football" hth 00:14:09 =/ 00:14:14 the other one is "association football" hth 00:14:17 i like that socrates walks in and is like "you know what this conversation needs? me acting like an asshole" 00:14:37 "gridiron football" is a superset that includes american and canadian football 00:15:01 i cant abide by anyone who calls football soccer, sorry 00:15:09 is there any name with fewer letters and/or syllables 00:15:16 a british person dies every time you call it 'soccer' just fyi 00:15:26 http://www.theshiftage.com/bookSummary.asp well shit i'm so up for this 00:15:27 this sounds like a lot of power for me to have 00:15:42 there's a name with the same number of letters hth 00:15:59 the shit age 00:16:19 Running Classic ASP Applications on IIS 7 and IIS 8 00:16:24 im learning about this error 00:16:31 yeah i can't get the actual page 00:16:35 assuming it's a sign 00:16:53 mnoqy: maybe next time i'm in southern california i can stop by for a hug?? 00:17:02 shachaf: i dont think thatd fly 00:17:12 would it take the trai 00:17:13 n 00:17:18 more likely 00:17:24 ok 00:17:34 so it's settled?? 00:17:46 ?? ???? 00:17:47 Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "???" 00:18:27 where are you anyway 00:18:31 santa barbara???? 00:18:37 wheres that 00:18:45 is it in california because thats where i am 00:18:57 yes 00:19:06 it's next to san luis obispo 00:19:27 i've heard of that place too 00:19:37 and los angeles..... 00:19:40 i've heard of that place too! 00:19:45 which one are you in 00:19:50 the transit system in san luis obispo is called SLO Transit 00:20:02 "Due to Internet Explorer performance limitations only ten routes can be selected during a browsing session." 00:20:06 how do they pronounce it 00:20:21 dunno 00:20:29 i was there once!!!!! 00:20:31 me too 00:20:39 shachaf: does california only have 3 places in it 00:20:48 mnoqy: no............there's also san francisco and east palo alto 00:21:01 i've heard of sanfransis co!! 00:21:02 and pasadena 00:21:08 i think i've heard of pasadena 00:21:10 btw if the place you live in has a direction in its name it's probablbylybyly a bad place 00:21:12 i lived there for 4 years 00:21:13 may or may not have heard of palo alto 00:21:26 mnoqy: oh and there's silly valley 00:21:32 i've heard of silly valley! 00:21:38 shitty valley 00:21:51 i think berkeley is a place too 00:21:57 kmc be nice to my valley.......................... 00:22:00 berkeley is p. good 00:22:14 i've heard of berkeley 00:22:35 i like berkeley 00:22:40 i was tempted to move there once 00:22:47 just because it was a nice place?? 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What an odd name. 01:05:30 sorude@gmail.com 01:06:04 Pablo Sorude 01:06:14 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:10:30 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 01:12:35 the thing is, we associate 24 fps (film) with higher production values than 29.97 fps (video) 01:12:44 so it makes everything look cheap 01:13:31 james cameron was also complaining about this, because you need high framerate for 3D movies 01:13:34 it's hilarious 01:13:46 i guess in Europe they don't have this problem ?!? 01:13:56 what a country 01:14:00 have they invented moving pictures in europe yet 01:14:02 smooth is nice but taking something and smoothening it is scary 01:14:19 i watched the hobbit at 48 fps 01:14:31 it seemed perfectly cinematic to me, i think the "24 fps = film" thing is overblown 01:14:47 like there are lots of other things that differentiate a film from a soap or whatever 01:15:15 ok 01:15:19 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Thehobbit1977cover.png this is the hobbit im familiar with 01:15:25 Definitive Version 01:15:33 is that the russian one 01:15:36 no 01:15:40 it's the animated one 01:15:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit_(1985_film) 01:15:45 I saw a first edition Hobbit in person once. so weird 01:15:57 Oh shit, was this the one by the Wizards guy 01:15:59 that's a pretty good picture 01:17:01 i mean the frame rate was weird for a few minutes or whatever but i got used to it 01:17:13 So itchy. :-( 01:17:50 shachaf: do you know why 01:17:58 No. :-( 01:18:04 Experience suggests that it'll disappear in a few days. 01:18:06 a friend of mine accidentally sprayed someone else with a bottle of histamine once 01:18:09 it was bad 01:18:30 uhhhh "sounds unpleasant" 01:21:29 today's dinner: kraft mac & cheese with homegrown phoenix oyster mushrooms 01:22:04 krac & cheese 01:22:56 kmc & cheese 01:23:08 Interesting combination. 01:26:46 Bike: I was going to watch the movie today -- it's in an hour -- but I think I'm too itchy to sit still for 2 hours. 01:27:34 mushrooms fried in butter, with leeks (which were not homegrown :/) 01:29:57 shachaf: understandable. 01:30:21 It's really quite awful. 01:30:23 shachaf: do you have bedbugs? 01:30:48 I don't think so? 01:31:03 I don't know anything about bedbugs, though. 01:31:15 do you have bites 01:31:16 red bumps 01:31:33 i had bedbugs when i lived in new jersey 01:31:41 Um, maybe? I've been scratching myself a lot, though. 01:31:53 When I get the itching, it's usually my entire body mostly at once. 01:32:01 Then it typically goes away after a few days. 01:32:07 So it doesn't sound too plausible. 01:32:08 ok 01:32:10 yeah 01:32:20 But I guess I'll examine my bed. 01:32:28 if you don't have bites then eh 01:32:45 has some kind of doctor addressed this itching situation in the past 01:32:54 Nope. 01:32:58 Perhaps I should go do that. 01:32:58 ok 01:35:56 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:36:24 kmc: should i try taking antihistamines..... 01:37:36 i don't know 01:37:40 probably won't hurt 01:37:58 unless your itching condition is a symptom of something that would make antihistamines a bad idea? 01:40:46 this is medical advice right?? 01:42:16 ianad 01:42:22 -!- TheGuyKnownBefor has joined. 01:44:23 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 01:44:30 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:46:20 -!- kallisti has joined. 01:46:20 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 01:46:20 -!- kallisti has joined. 01:50:17 there should be a pokemon named testicool 01:51:01 Or just Mara. 01:51:25 idgi 01:51:48 Within Japanese Buddhism, Mara is some sort of penis tentacle monster. 01:52:48 how about Tanuki 01:53:17 That could just about slip by. 01:53:30 http://www.wtfjapanseriously.com/2010/01/tanuki-balls.html 01:53:32 Tanuki are perceived as fairly innocent folklore in Japan. 01:53:42 Even when, yes, swinging around their giant shape-shifting testicles. 01:53:47 excellent 01:54:05 Like, this is literally "kids movie" material. 01:54:29 imo testicles are more hilarious than lewd 01:54:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:54:55 What's *lewd* is that they were translated as "pouches" in the English release of Pom Poko. 01:56:38 18:01:15 (::String) $ printf "%d" 5 01:56:38 18:05:13 shachaf, :O 01:56:38 18:05:15 my god 01:56:38 18:05:41 map (:: Int) [2,3] 01:57:11 good times 01:58:35 what the hell 01:58:39 :t (:: Int) 01:58:41 parse error on input `::' 01:58:45 witchcraft. 02:00:19 Hmm, it's possible that I like mustard now. 02:00:26 I used to really hate it but that was many years ago. 02:00:30 How do I find out whether I like it or not? 02:00:33 the great thing about mustard is that there are so many kinds to choose from 02:00:43 I was about to ask whether there were different kinds. 02:00:48 Which kind should I try? How should I try it? 02:00:49 so many 02:01:40 yo kmc what should i eat 02:01:42 in general 02:01:49 edible matter 02:02:10 have you considered ""cereal""" 02:02:52 http://sourcereal.com/ 02:04:04 precisely 02:04:30 elliott: eat that soylent thing, it was designed by a hacker news person and is made from laboratory reagents 02:04:45 just drink ethanol 02:05:19 shachaf: I really like the Trader Joe's Sweet and Hot Mustard 02:05:39 how do i eat it 02:05:42 with a spoon????? 02:05:52 fry a kiełbasa and some sauerkraut 02:05:55 apply mustard 02:05:58 shove into face 02:06:02 maybe you are a vegetarian? 02:06:03 also why do my legs hurt 02:06:06 * kmc doesn't remember. 02:06:15 whoa what's with that . 02:06:19 i've never seen you use .s 02:06:33 woah. 02:07:02 whoa· 02:07:04 help. 02:07:07 I'm pretty sure kmc has used .s. But not . 02:07:08 :) 02:07:43 hey kmc remember that person with the capitalization pattern we couldn't figure out 02:07:48 it was so good right 02:07:49 yes 02:08:11 who 02:08:14 "\"good\"" 02:08:31 shubshub 02:08:44 i think the 'pattern' was 'random' 02:09:31 My company picked up The Blaze as a channel 02:09:33 esoteric/2012-04-27.txt:05:48:23: I worked Hard on Numeric Batch Now to Mix and Match the translation Numbers 02:09:48 hey I wonder if I could convince this Channel to adopt German Capitalization as some kind of Meme 02:10:03 i believe that's '19th century capitalization' 02:10:07 aka 'fuck it' 02:10:11 well, 18th more like 02:10:31 yeah english carried this over 02:10:38 and then we got rid of it because we don't give a fuck 02:10:59 oh is that why it is 02:11:01 that makes a lot of sense. 02:11:05 beats me 02:11:06 ah yes shubshub 02:11:07 but, prolly. 02:11:10 Bike: should i go see it............................ 02:11:14 20 minutes 02:11:14 shubshub, inventor of !!!Batch 02:11:24 I thought you couldn't 02:11:40 shachaf: zwanzig minuten?!?!? 02:11:47 I'm trying to make up my mind here! 02:13:26 well don't if you'll just be miserable 02:14:03 I'm already miserable. 02:14:10 Maybe I should go find a place with air conditioning. 02:16:39 is it hot 02:17:07 Not exactly? 02:17:23 18° outside, it seems 02:18:54 19:18 elliott: imo you do, hth. 02:19:09 -!- TheGuyKnownBefor has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:19:11 haha 02:22:40 Bike: oh should i see _The Sting_ 02:22:51 possibly not right now. 02:23:00 TWIST: I've already seen it! 02:23:06 :o 02:25:14 oh wow, the syrian electronic army actually hacked the onion. i thought that was just... a joke made up for an onion article 02:25:43 heh, i'm still not sure if they faked it 02:25:54 of course the SEA isn't actually in syria iirc 02:26:11 what if i'm too drunk to go to 7-Eleven 02:26:32 BAC of 1 02:27:09 (i read http://www.theonion.com/articles/we-were-going-to-take-over-the-onion-website-but-i,32327/) 02:27:44 btw it's literally the most annoying thing to have to refresh onion articles and then press stop before the paywall overlay loads 02:27:47 i think it wasn't faked, they had a serious-seeming writeup on the onion tech blog (!) about how they got phished 02:27:53 but of course they joked about it after it happened 02:27:56 they... have a tech blog? 02:28:12 http://theonion.github.io/ 02:28:14 of cuorse 02:28:26 ok they have one post. 02:28:32 hahaha 02:30:00 At this point the editorial staff began publishing articles inspired by the attack. The second article, Syrian Electronic Army Has A Little Fun Before Inevitable Upcoming Deaths At Hands Of Rebels, angered the attacker who then began posting editorial emails on their Twitter account. 02:30:13 okay it is pretty great that they were writing them while the account was actually being compromised rather than just in the aftermath 02:30:40 hahaha 02:35:18 -!- Tritonio has joined. 02:37:45 http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/onionmeme.png this is amazing 02:38:34 http://www.theonion.com/articles/onion-twitter-password-changed-to-onionman77,32323/ 02:39:03 stupid future 02:39:50 relevant: http://www.theonion.com/articles/hi-in-the-past-2-years-you-have-allowed-me-to-kill,31805/ 02:40:17 the onion's pro-interventionism kind of annoys me but the articles are still funny 02:42:02 pikhq, that video, the guy has a Nexus One 02:52:21 pikhq, ... so, video formats have been ruled by painful backwards-compatibility? Reminds me of the web. 03:01:58 "good old-fashioned spite" 03:02:22 oh? 03:02:35 a new forward-looking spite, celebrating craftsmanship 03:05:04 Oh hey there's a transcript 03:05:08 http://wiki.xiph.org/Videos/A_Digital_Media_Primer_For_Geeks 03:05:28 "For a given unique subsampling, there are usually also several equivalent formats that consist of trivial channel order rearrangements or repackings, due either to convenience once-upon-a-time on some particular piece of hardware, or sometimes just good old-fashioned spite." 03:05:57 ah 03:17:44 we decide what goes inside your head 03:21:59 Reminds me of the web. <--- also of everything else humans have ever done 03:22:28 pretty sure most of that's on the web now kmc!! 03:22:42 true nuf 03:28:06 help i seem to be watching school-house rock 03:28:22 that is not a situation you need to get out of 03:30:05 I'm an amendment-to-be, yes an amendment-to-be / And I'm hoping that they'll ratify me / There's a lot of flag-burners who have too much freedom / I want to make it legal for policemen to beat 'em 03:30:24 was that the adult swim parody? 03:30:34 simpsons 03:31:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KGmHsKsa-U 03:31:25 ah this "ADHD" is FOX's ripoff of Adult Swim 03:31:34 When I was a kid, I thought the word "Hallelujah" came from that schoolhouse rock video about interjections 03:31:48 kmc: I purchased some REDACTED Sweet and Hot Mustard. 03:31:49 very subtle name 03:31:53 really 03:31:54 already 03:31:54 So when a classmade said it I thought she too saw that 03:32:01 already!! 03:32:20 the word "Hallelujah" was invented by leonard cohen; everyone knows that 03:32:20 how does it feel to influence real-world happenings through typing words into irc 03:32:26 shachaf: i feel like a fucking god 03:32:37 i haven't tasted it yet though. that comes later 03:32:40 ok 03:32:44 are you a vegetarian? 03:32:49 Yes. 03:32:55 you will eat fungi? 03:33:03 they're more similar to animals than to plants, i hear 03:33:18 can vegatarians eat diatoms 03:33:19 I generally do. 03:33:26 if i come to SF i can give you much oyster mushrooms 03:33:35 will you grow them in newspapers 03:33:40 yes 03:33:42 most likely 03:34:18 I didn't see the "money" schoolhouse rock videos when I was a kid 03:34:41 Just grammar, USA, ... numbers?, and ... a fourth, I forget which. Probably not the actual names 03:34:42 can vegetarians eat newspapers 03:35:04 Our president was dead to us, Hallelujah! / He takes his pills so he can kill / Praise the Bible 03:35:21 «Many of Mason’s charmingly humorous antics are well-documented. As Charlie Rose explained in his introduction of Mason before a TV interview with him in December, the CEO once hired a man to walk around the office in a ballerina outfit with no explanation just to see the reaction. Mason’s Twitter account includes a picture of him excitedly unwrapping a Nintendo Wii in what looks like his underwear, and his Groupon bio claims he ... 03:35:27 ... “spends most of his time writing his life coach training book, Unleash the Power Within the Power Within: Self Help For Self Helpers.”» 03:35:30 science rock, I guess> 03:35:30 groupon sounds like a good place to work huh 03:35:34 c_c 03:35:56 i assume they're at the "rip wires out of the wall and sell them for scrap" stage of the business cycle 03:36:02 I'm still pissed that Dexterity Software died and was replaced by some self-help BS 03:36:18 whenever i see groupon commercials i do a double take 03:36:22 when I was tripping on synthetic hallucinogens at Coachella (yeah yeah) I started ranting about how Groupon's business model was unsustainable 03:36:29 and some guy in a line in front of me got super into it 03:36:31 maybe he was the CEO 03:36:34 sounds like a hell of a trip 03:36:51 what kind of hallucinogens 03:36:59 It's no longer legally possible to get a game that I liked 03:37:00 uh synthetic ones 03:37:04 i think it was 2C-E 03:37:07 not sure 03:37:09 don't recall 03:37:14 also it would be a shame if the kmc drugs jokes eliminated the kmc drugs stories 03:37:34 -!- kmc has set topic: Galois Counter-Culture | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 03:37:35 maybe we should cut down on them 03:37:37 I wonder how much a laptop only suitable for Win98 and older would cost 03:37:38 (the jokes, not the drugs) 03:37:47 my friend took 2C-I and then tried to install Maple 03:38:05 like... the CAS? 03:38:08 yes 03:38:22 did he try to install it on pancakes 03:38:22 i can't tell if your social circle is the most boring or best druggies ever 03:38:25 or she 03:38:31 he, but thanks 03:38:32 * shachaf :-( 03:39:38 There are people on ebay selling old laptops for $20 or so 03:39:53 Don't know how legitimate those are 03:39:54 Maybe I should just switch to Finnish, which has gender-neutral third-person singular pronouns. 03:40:40 In the middle of the holding out, nobody will be dropped out / Except fake gods whose faux pas are offsetting bets 03:45:08 I mentally assign a gender to everything, even inanimate objects. 03:45:22 Well -- don't "assign". Things just have genders. 03:45:32 I assume that comes from speaking Hebrew and that not everyone does it. 03:47:14 well i don't. so there's one data point. 03:47:29 i don't either, i think 03:48:41 It's actually not things but words, I guess. 03:48:50 For example "car" is female but "vehicle" is male. 03:49:37 Why do people like CentOS for servers 03:49:38 I'm just going to pretend this is a form of synæsthesia. 03:49:38 ? 03:50:13 speaking of synthaesthesia, you know what's really weird to think about? bimodal bilingualism 03:50:17 Sgeo: because red hat is stable and their kernel team is actually competent 03:50:20 and probably other teams 03:52:00 Should I use it if I get prgmr? 03:52:12 cry havoc and let loose the blogs of war 03:52:23 Sgeo: no because rpm sucks, hth 03:52:29 i mean, can people sign and talk at the same time? i honestly don't know 03:58:43 shachaf: so are you near a trader joe's then 04:01:52 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 04:04:03 at the moment reasonably near 04:04:37 cool 04:04:45 one thing in favour of EPA 04:05:04 no, in palo alto 04:05:13 i am not very near home right now 04:05:49 oh 04:05:56 "sry 04:07:10 kmc: Did you know the _The Third Wave_ thing was in Palo Alto? 04:08:32 what's that thing 04:09:43 maybe it's more famous in .il 04:13:21 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:13:25 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:13:40 so maybe both you and lexande will be in sf this summer 04:17:03 indeed 04:25:29 -!- Bike has joined. 04:41:31 -!- kingof9x has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 05:03:46 There is a person outside falling asleep in his car. 05:04:06 Every time he falls asleep enough he presses on the steering wheel and the honk wakes him up. 05:04:30 that's too cartoonish to be actually possible. 05:04:44 I saw it with my own eyes. 05:04:52 And heard it with my own ears, in particular. 05:05:22 I'm laughing just picturing this. 05:25:53 Re sign and talk, the local TV news for hearing-impaired has the news announcers sign and at least mouth the words at the same time. (Someone else does the audible speaking of the broadcast.) 05:26:20 next question, can they do two different things 05:32:40 YES! Fine! 05:32:43 Yes, they can! 05:32:51 Happy? 05:33:15 Yes. 05:34:05 Bicykle 06:03:55 i witnessed honking thing that last week 06:04:03 *that 06:04:12 erm 06:04:19 well anyway 06:06:05 we were doing night watch (is this really how you say this in english?) at a company, and one guy kept dosing off 06:06:37 *-really since i have no idea 06:07:03 "night shift"? 06:07:41 that sounds like we work at the company 06:07:52 i mean we were guarding it. 06:07:59 from like criminals and shit 06:08:07 either works 06:08:18 night shift is probably more idiomatic 06:15:34 "night watch" makes sense if you are guarding it 06:19:14 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:20:06 Blaaah. 06:20:16 How the hell am I not even particularly sleepy. 06:22:06 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:22:08 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:26:41 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 06:28:45 -!- `^_^v has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 06:30:33 -!- FreeFull_ has quit. 06:40:10 -!- `^_^v has joined. 07:04:04 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:04:10 -!- DH____ has joined. 07:04:11 -!- augur has joined. 07:10:15 i don't know how to prepare for this Mozillinterview 07:16:31 What sort of interview is it? 07:17:54 first tech phone call, with one of the servo people 07:18:49 * shachaf doesn't know how to prepare for anyinterview, as such. 07:19:03 Maybe in a broad sense... 07:19:56 for some interviews it pays to memorize stuff from CLRS ahead of time 07:20:03 big tables of what algorithm has what big-O complexity 07:20:07 i think that's kinda dumb 07:20:39 when i interviewed at ye olde hedge funde, i brushed up on some C++ stuff the night before and that did help a bit 07:20:53 obviously they should requireyou to present a novel complexity result 07:21:24 another useful type of preparation is to think of questions you want to ask 07:21:39 That would indeed be useful. 07:22:16 maybe i should do more of that 07:25:25 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:35:46 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:38:02 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:50:19 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:32:54 -!- kallisti has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 08:46:21 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:00:41 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:33:46 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 09:45:13 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 10:11:38 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:33:41 -!- DH____ has joined. 10:33:44 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:36:13 -!- Taneb has joined. 10:36:36 The Eurovision final is coming up, isn't it? 10:41:04 `? eurovision 10:41:08 eurovision? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:42:07 On Saturday. 10:42:16 I guess it's still "coming up". 10:42:50 I don't like Finland's song 10:42:59 Listening to Greece's now 10:43:26 I didn't like Finland's song either, but it made to the finals. 10:43:45 Was Greece's the "free booze" one? 10:44:20 Yeah 10:44:24 "Alcohol is Free" 10:44:41 Listening to the UK's 10:45:13 I haven't heard that, because your place is one of those "more equal than others" ones. 10:46:38 I think officially, we're one of the "Those guys who are actually paying for it" countries 10:46:56 But yeah, the UK generally sucks at Eurovision 10:47:56 Okay, that was... alright 10:48:04 I think Finland's was better 10:48:07 Now for the Netherlands 10:51:17 Okay, she's a good singer, but I found the song lacking 10:51:57 Now for Spain 10:54:00 The rain in Spain. 10:55:43 And it's just "paying more than the others"; everyone's doing some of it, I understand. 10:57:37 E.g. Turkey's not participating this year, and one of their cited reasons is the "big five" rule. 11:03:10 Estonia's entry seems pretty good 11:15:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:33:14 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:48:43 -!- Tritonio has joined. 11:56:06 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:04:11 -!- Dragooon_Mac has joined. 12:12:38 Is chip's challenge turing complete? 12:18:58 Taneb: Okay, she's a good singer, but I found the song lacking 12:19:09 are you saying there wasn't a song? 12:19:24 and she was just moving her lips without any sound 12:26:28 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:00:52 -!- Snowyowl has joined. 13:12:22 -!- carado has joined. 13:18:22 -!- boily has joined. 13:24:22 Are there any classes of non-Turing-complete languages in which a nontrivial self-interpreter is possible? 13:25:25 bounded storage machine 13:28:22 the simulated copy would have access to less memory, though 13:28:43 you can't have an infinite tower of self-interpreting self-interpreters like you can in a Turing machine 13:31:18 What would be the most easiest to port compiler of a somewhat high level language? 13:31:59 porting to an other target architecture that is not exactly x86 13:32:13 and by that I mean make it generate code for that not exactly x86 platform 13:36:58 Use gcc, the gnu cross compiler 13:37:27 porting gcc is a little bit too much work 13:37:37 because it's actually writing a gcc backend 13:37:43 It's already been ported, so it would be about zero work 13:37:55 What? 14:00:04 -!- Dragooon_Mac has quit (Quit: Dragooon_Mac). 14:06:04 Snowyowl: what about push-down machine then? 14:06:50 interesting 14:07:16 Yes, quite possibly. I'm not sure my question was well-defined. 14:48:57 -!- augur_ has joined. 14:51:19 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:53:45 -!- augur has joined. 14:53:48 -!- augur_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:59:24 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:39:24 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:46:28 -!- Dragooon_Mac has joined. 15:46:36 -!- Dragooon_Mac has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:56:53 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:02:33 i'm finding out that you can't mess around with saliva <-- i'm pretty sure messes are pretty easy to produce with saliva fwiw 16:05:59 hey elliott remember that thing about formal power series and types <-- are you referring to that thing about how equations work with types if they work with complex numbers? i don't remember where that was either but maybe it will jog elliott's memory. 16:06:47 well i vaguely think it was an arxiv link 16:07:10 i thought he meant that blog post / paper it linked to yes 16:07:16 but i didn't want to try and find it without confirmation 16:07:27 ok 16:08:50 also, i vaguely recall asking if that worked with the 1+2+3+... = -1/12 result. 16:09:02 *"result" 16:11:15 isn't it pretty old? i mean there's that book "little eichmanns" <-- now i am imagining a book for classifying people according to which nazi person they resemble the most. 16:12:10 it'd also include classifications like quisling and petain (sp?) 16:14:36 metropolitan france is a weird term 16:15:02 (i was reminded by wp's petain article) 16:15:09 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:16:59 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:17:25 Okay, I am actually making an Iron Man costume 16:17:26 Help 16:17:30 stop 16:17:33 do something else 16:17:59 Like chat on IRC? 16:18:46 yes 16:18:46 i don't think he needs to stop unless he includes actual rockets hth 16:18:51 uh 16:18:59 do the opposite of what oerjan says 16:19:05 stop unless you plan to incorporate rockets 16:19:16 oh dear 16:19:30 oh well, as long as you upload to youtube. 16:23:54 not all digestive's have chocolates <-- you should write a tract about digestives so i'll finally learn what they are twh 16:23:57 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Dinner). 16:24:19 they're a type of biscuit 16:24:28 quite sweet, quite thick 16:24:36 oerjan: http://images1.mysupermarket.co.uk/Products_1000/11/011211.jpg?v=1 hope this helps 16:25:51 oh there's a norwegian wikipedia article maybe that will crack the code 16:26:12 Phantom_Hoover: can you imagine all these people going through life without eating a _single digestive_ 16:26:19 my gode 16:27:52 bah i was hoping to find a brand that i've actually tasted in norway. 16:28:17 also you ignored my awful pun you rascals. 16:28:28 i think they don't really exist outside of the UK or something 16:28:51 i am happy to come to trondheim and bring digestives 16:29:10 elliott: there's apparently two swedish brands linked in no.wp but no norwegian ones 16:29:27 you know exactly what i am going to say 16:29:34 they probably aren't as good as british ones anyway 16:29:52 presumably. 16:30:17 i am also happy to bring cadbury flakes as previously discussed in #esoteric 16:30:19 my public service 16:30:52 yay 16:33:49 you kind of have to dunk it in milky tea for it to taste nice tho, regardless of whether you like milky tea or not <-- maybe someone can invent a machine that produces small amounts of milky tea for those who want digestives but cannot bear to drink tea 16:34:22 i must note that by "milky tea" i mean "tea with a drop of milk in it" 16:34:28 ic 16:35:08 oerjan: you've had ginger nuts right... or at least some kind of ginger biscuit.... 16:35:13 mind you i have nothing against tea myself, although i habitually drink coffee instead. i was just seeing a market. 16:35:55 elliott: i've had gingerbread (and made houses from it), does that count? 16:36:14 only sort of 16:38:13 in fact i may or may not have had ginger nuts. it seems like norwegian christmas tradition calls certain bakery stuff "pepper" in which english speaking people would use "ginger", and i _have_ had peppernøtter. 16:39:00 pepperkakehus ~= gingerbread house 16:39:11 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ginger+nut&aq=f&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og 16:39:16 here are some helpful pictures 16:40:44 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ginger+nut&aq=f&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&biw=1152&bih=635&sei=OV2WUfO4BY_6sgbvmYDYDw#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=peppern%C3%B8tter&oq=peppern%C3%B8tter&gs_l=img.3...41281.48485.0.48938.20.15.4.1.1.0.63.767.15.15.0...0.0...1c.1.14.img._s97c-jpO58&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.Yms&fp=773a4c622afebc5a&biw=1152&bih=635 16:41:00 wtf is it doing with that url and why is yours shorter 16:42:22 oh it includes your search nested inside 16:43:04 i cut off some of the crap from my url 16:43:15 oerjan: that looks like roughly the same thing, yes 16:43:28 what is the texture like 16:44:12 hm they should have some kind of "share this search" link 16:46:03 hm trying to recall... they might be slightly soft inside 16:46:43 but also crunchy 16:47:08 * oerjan checks no.wp 16:48:45 small, hard, spices include cinnamon, pepper, ginger and star anise 16:49:23 crosswiki links with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepernoot 16:50:21 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:51:10 "People mistakenly confuse kruidnoten with pepernoten." and the picture for the former fits better, as do the ingredients :P 16:51:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruidnoten 16:54:24 kruidnoten look quite like ginger nuts, yes 16:54:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_nut has a section about scandinavian pepperkaker, "Cloves, cinnamon and cardamom are important ingredients of these, and the actual ginger taste is not prominent." 16:54:58 so it's a bad ginger nut :P 16:55:07 terrible picture for that article, also 16:56:05 O KAY 16:56:31 * oerjan concludes his investigations. 16:57:59 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:03:57 let's see what that can of unknown beverage tastes like... 17:04:53 no burning sensation, no abdominal cramps, no dizziness, and it's quite good. at least it's non-toxic. 17:06:44 Or the toxin is slow-acting. 17:07:19 boily: what does it taste like 17:08:07 elliott: it's... uhm... except for the lychee flavour... eeeeh... I'd say something like non-descript. 17:10:14 on one side of the can: «Grass jelly drink // Boisson aux gelées d'herbes arome de lychee // Xưng xáo muì trái vải // Lychee flavour» 17:10:47 the other side has the chinese version, which is a little bit longer to type. 17:12:14 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 17:13:00 ah, lychees 17:13:19 for when you just can't stand your fruit not resembling eyeballs 17:14:12 «仙草蜜 // 茘枝口味» 17:15:18 Phantom_Hoover: It's a good first step in kicking the eyeball habit. 17:15:36 Eyeballs are delicious, but they're an ADDICTION. 17:15:59 `addquote Eyeballs are delicious, but they're an ADDICTION. 17:16:04 1036) Eyeballs are delicious, but they're an ADDICTION. 17:16:23 apparently, 仙草 (xiancao) is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesona_chinensis 17:17:10 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:33:44 Is chip's challenge turing complete? 17:33:47 interesting question 17:36:55 you would need an infinite starting configuration 17:39:17 anyway i suspect so 17:43:29 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:43:34 -!- DH____ has joined. 17:52:34 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:55:22 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 17:59:01 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 18:04:23 -!- Tritonio has joined. 18:06:02 -!- TheGuyKnownBefor has joined. 18:11:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:13:16 `olist 18:13:18 olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly 18:13:22 Sgeo: Thanks for doing your job! 18:13:29 yay! 18:20:06 shachaf: http://hitcon.org/2005/ (Big5 apparently) 18:23:05 shachaf: what does it mean to know someone <-- i suggest searching the bible for answers xo 18:23:37 mnoqy is not here, lucky guy 18:24:27 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:28:43 char shellcode [925] = 18:28:43 "Hail the qe ↓ Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty invasion of prostitution during the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion invasion invasion invasion of the Han Dynasty to the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty" 18:28:46 "Han Dynasty invasion invasion invasion of the Han Dynasty to the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion invasion of the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty ah piece Han Dynasty think weeping Han Dynasty sin deceive" 18:28:51 Uncomfortable prostitution pig piglet piglets, pig piglet head head piglet piglets head piglet head piglet piglets " 18:28:54 "Piglets piglets piglets head Tsai Tang licensing pig pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat" 18:28:57 "Pig licensing pig, pig, pig fat, pig fat, fat pig fat fat pig brand pig goose of divination deceive uncomfortable pig card" 18:29:00 "Pig fat pig fat, pig fat pig, pig fat, pig fat pig brand, the fat bundle scare uncomfortable pig fat pig fat" 18:29:03 "Pig fat, pig fat, pig fat, pig fat the cover deceive uncomfortable pig brand pig fat pig fat pig fat pig love" 18:29:06 "Pig fat, fat group scare uncomfortable, pig, pig, pig fat, fat pig fat pig brand pig fat pig fat pig fat" 18:29:09 "Pig fat the pig the fat silk scare uncomfortable pig brand pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat pig expensive" 18:29:12 "Magic magic pig pig pill,, Ah Zhu Tousan, Ah pig, pig Zhutou San pig goose Zhutou San pig-headed pig" 18:29:15 "Pig magic magic pig piglet piglets head piglet piglets piglets piglets, pig piglet head the head." 18:29:18 "Pig pig will be the pig pig pig pig pig will pig will the pig pig will" 18:29:20 "Pig pig pig will the pig brother Zhu Tousan of pig pill pig pig pig on pig will 18:29:23 "The pig Ah pig, a pig pig pig pig pig pig pig pig" 18:29:26 "Pig pig constriction scare uncomfortable pig pig pig pig on the Zhu Tousan pig piano pig tumor 18:29:29 "Pig tumor pig tumor the mixed pig pig chaos"; 18:34:18 i agree 18:35:40 a british person dies every time you call it 'soccer' just fyi <-- wait why have i not heard of this enormous british death toll before 18:36:26 oerjan, Glasgow's in Britain. 18:36:34 Most of the deaths are there 18:36:36 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 18:37:21 -!- Bike_ has joined. 18:37:52 elliott: is that a poem, or is it a gross mistranslation from an original chinese text in which every syllable is pronounced "shi" ? 18:38:09 oerjan: you would have to ask google and kmc 18:38:15 well i guess the latter is also a poem 18:38:23 what, the lion eating poet in the stone den? 18:38:34 Bike_: yes 18:38:49 Bike_: btw you need to smack me hth 18:38:52 oh, shellcode 18:38:57 * Bike_ lights oerjan on fire 18:39:05 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 18:39:08 THANKS 18:39:23 whew, it's hot in here 18:39:40 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 18:41:15 i wondered about the same as oerjan 18:41:30 or did you confirm this 18:41:37 afaik, pig is not shi 18:42:52 that's what shi said 18:46:24 ++ 18:53:11 well the lion eating poet in the stone den isn't about pigs 18:53:34 what elliott quoted is presumably shellcode developed under the constraint of looking vaguely like English text to fool firewalls 18:53:44 oh my god kmc literally linked 18:53:46 the thing that it is 18:53:49 i wasn't here 18:53:50 a few lines above what i said 18:54:05 you weren't there for what i pasted either.......................... 18:54:10 imo fuck you 18:57:02 -!- FireFly has joined. 18:59:20 -!- TheGuyKnownBefor has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:00:41 who is this person <-- shacka when the walls fell hth 19:05:37 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:08:10 18:01:15 (::String) $ printf "%d" 5 <-- i remember suggesting that syntax once. 19:09:22 oerjan: I remember suggesting it multiple times! 19:09:25 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:09:42 memory, such a wonderful thing! 19:09:55 > printf "%d" 5 19:09:56 however unlike me, you know how to patch ghc right? 19:10:02 Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: 19:10:02 (GHC.Show.Show a0) 19:10:03 ... 19:10:15 > asTypeOf "hi" (printf "%d" 5) 19:10:29 "hi" 19:10:35 wait have you actually got it in... 19:10:35 derp 19:10:44 Bike: the point is not to be verbose hth 19:11:14 > length "(::String) $ printf \"%d\"" 19:11:21 24 19:25:45 -!- conehead has joined. 19:29:36 Re sign and talk, the local TV news for hearing-impaired has the news announcers sign and at least mouth the words at the same time. (Someone else does the audible speaking of the broadcast.) <-- i vaguely thought mouth movements was sometimes a part of sign language 19:29:42 *were 19:34:53 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:37:43 `? eurovision 19:37:45 eurovision? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 19:38:20 `learn Eurovision is the European way of looking at the world. For some reason it involves a lot of cheesy singing. 19:38:24 I knew that. 19:38:58 Jafet: DOES THAT HELP HTH 19:52:11 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:52:36 What's that way to embed Javascript in the URL 20:00:49 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 20:02:34 embed how? 20:03:05 So when the page is loaded the Javascript in the URL is executed 20:03:21 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 20:04:21 Well there's the javascript: pseudo-protocol, but apart from that it isn't possible 20:04:43 without a script included on the page that inspects the URL and eval()s part of it 20:05:37 Hmm 20:05:45 Why did I think there was a way 20:06:02 Do I keep dreaming about going on the internet and seeing JavaScript in a page? 20:06:52 Or in a URL, rather? 20:07:11 A data URL might work 20:07:30 Might've been javascript: URLs 20:07:48 but I'm not sure if those are specced actually 20:08:31 data:text/html;base64,PHNjcmlwdD5hbGVydCgiaGkhIik7PC9zY3JpcHQ+ 20:09:06 Hm interesting 20:09:28 also old IE would let you do things like about: 20:10:23 kmc, that may have been what I was thinking about 20:10:30 funny freefall today 20:10:37 `run echo 'HQ9+' | base64 -d | xxd 20:10:39 0000000: 1d0f 7e ..~ 20:11:09 oerjan, I preferred Monday's 20:11:13 wow even google's doing it 20:11:14 Cookies help us deliver our services. By using our services, you agree to our use of cookies. 20:11:14 \x1D is *almost* printable :< 20:11:25 Taneb: Monday's `olist? 20:11:29 Phantom_Hoover, it's actually a new day in Freefall 20:11:38 shachaf, Monday's Freefall 20:11:40 oh 20:11:44 how many days is that now then 20:11:49 12 or so 20:12:07 didn't most of them happen over a disproportionately short period of rl time 20:12:30 hm i think the first panel of wednesday's comic has been edited since i saw it 20:18:46 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 20:18:48 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:19:17 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 20:23:46 http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rob-ford-crackstarter stupid future 20:27:18 uh lol 20:28:45 We are raising the money to purchase the video and publish it so the citizens of Toronto can watch a startlingly clear video of their mayor smoking crack. 20:28:46 What is "formal methods" 20:29:23 techniques for preserving biological specimens hth 20:29:31 ? 20:29:44 Bike: Do you have /hilight biolog? 20:30:05 no, i just happened to get back from a farming adventure 20:30:30 Taneb: i mainly hear it used to refer to verifying the correctness of code using theorem provers and model checkers and the like 20:30:41 kmc, sounds fun 20:30:50 "formal" as opposed to the more usual methods of "do random shit and see if it breaks" 20:30:54 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:30:54 Bike: what were you farming? 20:31:02 chickens 20:31:04 also used as a disinfectant, apparently 20:31:06 just moved their pen 20:31:14 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 20:31:25 what about their sword 20:31:39 they're like little stupid people that you can play with and sometimes eat, as they say 20:31:58 don't play with your food :( 20:32:09 Phantom_Hoover: http://home.comcast.net/~ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.html starts with a day-comic mapping (although out of date) 20:32:32 Bike: you're such a biologist 20:33:00 ah, it was 2-5 i was thnking of 20:33:01 yeah i don't actually play with chickens, i just chase them around 20:33:12 stupid things don't know i'm just moving out of the apocalyptic shithole they've made for themselves 20:33:18 moving them* 20:33:39 THE JOKE WAS FORMALDEHYDE / FORMALIN 20:34:08 imo farm mushromos 20:34:11 mushrooms too 20:34:24 maybe once i get my own place 20:34:33 i'll turn the apartment building into a fungal hell just like in my japanese animes 20:35:03 Phantom_Hoover: i believe we are currently just starting another saturday, so it might be the 24th day 20:35:30 Bike, I prefer French animes 20:35:43 well, so do i, but there's lesso f them 20:35:56 you've seen the time masters, right? that's what i'm envisioning here 20:36:41 (France was the first country other than Japan that I have heard of making anime-esque animation 20:36:43 (sorry) 20:36:46 i guess kmc doesn't mean hallucinogens though 20:37:03 Taneb: Les Maîtres du temps is a french animated film. 20:37:06 pretty good imo 20:37:25 anyway all mœbius all the time that's my jam 20:37:36 or wait. maybe it's friday, the big event happened at midnight. 20:37:43 Bike, I had Code Lyoki in mind. I think that's French Anime 20:37:45 23rd or 34th then 20:37:53 code lyoko is way more anime yeah 20:38:18 BUT something something franco-belgian comicry. 20:38:38 I enjoy Franco-Belgian comicry 20:38:48 who doesn't? (the answer is jerks) 20:39:02 I have a formidable Asterix collection, and a fair few Tintins 20:40:14 alas i have no money for comixxx 20:40:30 hm is hould pirate a mobius artbook 20:40:45 I know not 20:40:57 know what not 20:41:20 kmc: you just farm stuff in an apartment, right? 20:41:41 yeah i didn't mean specifically psychedelic mushrooms, although the techniques are more or less the same 20:41:44 and yeah 20:41:56 my gf does most of the work 20:42:35 pretty sure all mushrooms are illegal Just Say No 20:42:53 i would have to put my yard under arrest 20:43:00 anyway i don't think i've even had mushrooms by themselves ever 20:43:12 i'd have to learn to cook them, hrm 20:43:13 I had a steak and mushroom sandwich for lunch today 20:43:30 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:43:32 her method is basically: cultivate spores or liquid culture on petri dishes; transfer the least contaminated bits to other petri dishes; once you have a clean culture, transfer it to sterilized grain in mason jars (do this in a still-air box), and once the jars are fully colonized you mix the grain in with some bulk substrate like sawdust or shredded newspaper 20:43:38 i'm leaving out some details 20:43:45 petri dish farming huh 20:43:48 yep 20:43:51 mushrooms are creepy, imo 20:43:54 #living life on the edge #yolo #thug lyfe 20:43:55 mushroom cultivation is all about sterile technique 20:44:04 how... biological **glances at elliott** 20:44:08 Bike: what mushrooms grow in your yard? 20:44:22 Bike: bioillogical 20:44:30 i dunno, just a lot? i'm surrounded by woods here, life is just sort of around 20:44:31 a simple and delicious thing to do with many edible mushrooms is, chop them up, fry them in butter, add them to pasta or such 20:44:34 nice 20:45:03 -!- carado has joined. 20:45:20 basically picture me as saint francis, except playing angry birds on his phone 20:45:27 Bike: you can post info to http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3 20:45:33 and people will ID them 20:45:37 oh neat 20:45:43 maybe i'll take some photos 20:45:50 a spore print is very useful 20:46:08 "An overview on how to find Psilocybin Mushrooms. " i think elliott might be on to something here 20:46:12 what's a spore print? 20:46:18 like get some spores on a platter? 20:46:23 shroomery dot org 20:46:55 pick a cap, put it gills-down on some aluminum foil, put a few drops of water on top of the cap to keep it moist, and put a jar or cup over that 20:47:01 I seem to have joined ##shrooms by accident. 20:47:11 fungot: You sound like a guy who knows about mushrooms. 20:47:12 fizzie: if any of the deal that is an option of " truing up not confirming because of the last few years of the over the top it all. 20:47:19 in a day or so you'll see a finee powder of spores deposited on the foil 20:47:27 cooking with 'shrooms 20:47:32 huh, cool 20:47:32 the color of the spores is an important characteristic for identifying the species 20:47:41 and also, you can keep those spores long-term and use them to grow new mushrooms 20:47:43 * Bike knows nothing about life despite supposedly being a biologist 20:49:07 there's probably just a "Elliott-Spooky Life of the Northwest" book i can pick up somewhere though. 20:49:44 elliott-spooky 20:49:47 I thought you were a bikeologist 20:50:22 did you know there was a new species of psychedelic mushroom discovered in Golden Gate Park in like 2011 20:50:31 nice 20:50:55 when you say "new" to you mean at all or was it natives going "yeah you missed a few, dumbasses" 20:51:07 don't remember exactly 20:51:11 i forget, psychedelic mushrooms *are* illegal right 20:51:21 i think it was more like someone definitively decided that it's a new species rather than a subspecies 20:51:26 by whatever criteria they use 20:51:26 in the US everything fun is illegal 20:51:31 elliott: in most jurisdictions, yeah 20:51:32 kmc: oh, ok 20:51:50 they used to be quasi-legal in .nl but I think no longer :/ 20:51:54 is there any rationale at all 20:51:54 there are exceptions for some religious ceremonies 20:52:13 when I was in Amsterdam in 2007 i bought fresh psilocybe mushrooms in a store 20:52:15 (s/rationale/rationalisation/) 20:52:45 i think the courts decided that fresh mushrooms didn't count as a preparation of a drug, since they weren't prepared and there was no way to know exactly what the dose is 20:52:49 some weird justification like that 20:52:57 elliott: uh the rationale is DRUGS ARE BAD 20:52:58 duh 20:53:37 in a puritan society like America, anything that produces physical pleasure is seen with great suspicion 20:53:53 especially if it can't be easily controlled by the hierarchical structures of society 20:54:14 that's why it's also so important for the government and the church to regulate what constitutes marriage (i.e. legitimate sexual intimacy) 20:54:36 didn't texas have sodomy laws on the books until like the 80s 20:55:02 the last sodomy laws were struck down in 2003 by the supreme court 20:55:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas 20:55:12 "The toxicity of psilocybin is low. In rats, the median lethal dose (LD50) when administered orally is 280 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg), approximately one and a half times that of caffeine" haha beautiful. 20:56:10 anyway magic mushrooms are extra dangerous because not only do they provide physical pleasure but they provide dangerous ideas about peaceful coexistence and non-hierarchical spiritual experience and stuff like that 20:56:20 Bike: that doesn't say anything about the lethal dose for humans... or for society! 20:56:23 «A concurring opinion by Chief Justice Warren E. Burger cited the "ancient roots" of prohibitions against homosexual sex, quoting William Blackstone's description of homosexual sex as an "infamous crime against nature", worse than rape, and "a crime not fit to be named." » 1986........ 20:56:57 (i'm definitely stretching this rationale though because the USA was founded by Protestants who weren't big on centralized religion...) 20:58:02 right so psilocybin was banned in the USA in 1965 20:58:42 the reationale being "it's hallucinogenic" 20:58:43 so it was probably a move to target the emerging counterculture 20:58:45 go USA 20:59:13 «The Florida Supreme Court in 1978 ruled that possession of wild psilocybin mushrooms is not illegal;[37] however, whether knowingly gathering wild psilocybin mushrooms for later use is illegal was not addressed in the decision.[38]» wat 20:59:45 so we might say that magic mushrooms are illegal because they were used by people who protested against war and institutional racism 21:00:04 much as marijuana was banned decades earlier to stick it to the mexicans and the black jazz musicians 21:00:21 LSD was banned in 1970 21:00:28 before that you could order free samples from Sandoz 21:01:22 «Justice of the Peace Mike Parrott found them guilty and imposed a $100 fine and court costs of $41.25 on each defendant. When the defense attorneys realized that the fine was below the minimum required to permit them to appeal the convictions, they asked the judge to impose a higher penalty. Parrott, well aware that the attorneys intended to use the case to raise a constitutional challenge, increased it to $125 with the agreement of the pros 21:01:45 the shroomery forums also do plant identification but it's mostly "i found this cactus at walmart, will it get me high" 21:02:24 Bike: agreement of the pros 21:02:37 also some people will buy any plant that says "salvia" on the label 21:02:38 ecutor» loooool 21:02:47 (that's the case that got sodomy laws unconstitutional) 21:02:56 kmc: salvia boringorum 21:03:01 yeah 21:03:30 "what do you mean, different species in the same genus have different effects" 21:03:44 also salvia divinorum is really hard to cultivate anyway 21:03:57 Taneb: does your hot tap ever smell funny when it's on 21:04:10 Yeah, sometimes 21:04:13 kmc: wait is it called divinorum because, like, divine 21:04:18 Taneb: just the hot tap though? 21:04:22 Hmm 21:04:26 Don't think so 21:04:31 elliott: "Diviner's sage" 21:04:39 We're right next to the sewage treatment place, though 21:04:46 used by indigenous people in mexico for thousands of years 21:05:01 Taneb: hmm 21:05:28 but the effect of chewing on raw leaves is rather milder than the effect of concentrating the active ingredient 40x and then vaporizing it with a paint-stripper heat gun and hitting it out of a huge bong 21:06:13 also salvinorin is a really strange drug, not just in terms of effects but also chemically and pharmacologically 21:06:21 it contains no nitrogen 21:06:34 and there's basically nothing else analogous that grows naturally 21:07:20 or even any other popular synthetic hallucinogen that targets the same receptor system 21:07:26 only very obscure research chemicals 21:08:52 drugs are weird 21:09:44 quite right 21:09:53 -!- dessos has left. 21:10:31 i think we alienated dessos 21:10:35 You know Heroin was originally used to cure Morphine addictions? 21:10:53 It... technically worked. 21:10:53 yep 21:10:55 Sort of. 21:11:25 http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/medshow/bayerheroin1901.html http://wings.buffalo.edu/aru/Bayer-heroin.jpg 21:11:30 also a cough suppresant 21:16:51 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 21:17:10 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:17:19 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:18:42 kmc: hi here's what's going on in #haskell represented by a single quote "Hi, I'm sorry for interrupting this interesting discussion about tabs vs. spaces (I'm glad somebody finally talks about it!)" 21:18:49 thought you should be kept updated 21:18:57 also ops +qing other ops 21:19:03 that too 21:19:38 fantastic 21:20:46 http://i.imgur.com/vOakVSj.jpg 21:21:04 llo 21:22:43 what's "+qing"? 21:23:13 olsner: +q'ing 21:23:15 @google +qing 21:23:16 http://www.houzz.com/Qing-Dynasty 21:23:21 there you go 21:23:46 thanks, that tells me all I need to know 21:24:09 no charge for that @google 21:24:17 it's "on the houzz" 21:24:43 olsner: +q is quiet 21:25:48 kmc: and also ops deopping other ops so that their +qs of the ops work 21:26:29 so all the non-ops are discussing whitespace and the ops aren't doing anything useful either? 21:28:39 well if it was #whitespace it'd be meaningful discussion! 21:32:49 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:33:07 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 21:34:21 olsner: the ops were discussing whitespace too 21:38:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Night). 21:43:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:07:50 Qings and kueens. 22:08:15 don't fuck with my brain like that fizzie :( 22:16:46 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 22:27:03 Qings and koeens 22:30:00 -!- zzo38 has joined. 22:30:18 that could be the title of a chinese strategy board game FireFly 22:30:32 well either a strategy board game or a porn movie, I don't know 22:35:24 -!- mnoqy has joined. 22:51:31 -!- Bike has joined. 23:35:33 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:46:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 23:46:36 http://xkcd.com/1210/ 23:47:03 i can only included that "Guy Whom Randall Monroe Is Better Than" is now a standard xkcd cast member 23:48:23 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:48:51 -!- augur has joined. 23:53:09 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:54:12 did top hat man kill a child 23:54:15 is that the joke 23:54:17 HElp 23:58:07 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:58:33 -!- olsner has joined.