00:00:05 <Bike> Sgeo: oh yeah didn't it have some kind of squeak whatever
00:00:08 <kmc> they are underpowered and hard to run regular linux on
00:00:12 <shachaf> Bike: apaprently it's the most popular thing in .uk??????????
00:00:18 <Bike> kmc: so, like a netbook.
00:00:20 <kmc> if you really want to play with their software (and ideally contribute) then go ahead
00:00:21 <shachaf> and that's the actual name
00:00:24 <kmc> Bike: worse
00:00:37 <Bike> that's impressive, because my phone is better than my netbook.
00:00:38 <kmc> Bike: they aren't even IBM-compatible, they use OpenFirmware, which is cool, but Different
00:00:39 <elliott> Bike: digestives are fucking delicious
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00:00:46 <kmc> actually they might be IBM compatible now because they need to run windows now
00:00:51 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: well they're similar to crackers
00:00:54 <Bike> why do they need to run windows?
00:00:56 <elliott> just thicker and sweeter and stuff
00:01:00 <Bike> eff revolution in ethiopia, maaaaan
00:01:25 <elliott> Bike: because nicholas negroponte is a shithead, AIUI
00:01:37 <Bike> i have no idea hwo that is
00:01:47 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Negroponte
00:02:03 <kmc> the XO can do a few cool things though
00:02:05 <Bike> http://24.media.tumblr.com/0eddc566cf8a80aa7f06e3af29a3460e/tumblr_mmx0p9PLo11qc6j5yo1_1280.jpg river of blood
00:02:12 <kmc> i ran mine off of four RC car batteries that i crudely wired to it
00:02:13 <mnoqy> oh i thought XO was hugs and kisses
00:02:17 <kmc> which powored it for at least 24h
00:02:17 <mnoqy> like HTH but more friendly
00:02:23 <kmc> it will accept any DC input in vaguely the right range
00:02:25 <shachaf> mnoqy: can i have hugs and kisses
00:02:41 <mnoqy> shachaf: do you have someone from which to receive them
00:02:46 <Bike> «From 1993 to 1998, he contributed a monthly column to the magazine in which he reiterated a basic theme: "Move bits, not atoms."» i'm drowning
00:03:19 <Bike> kmc: oh, that's definitely good, given how common generators are as a power source
00:03:20 <mnoqy> i dont do the "Hugs and Kiss Strangers not Even people I Know"
00:03:29 <mnoqy> im not a Hugs and Kisses guy
00:03:29 * kmc is watching the The Office series finale on an *actual TV* at the *actual air time*
00:03:32 <shachaf> mnoqy: you dont know me...........?
00:03:43 <Sgeo> I want to buy cheap computers for some reason
00:03:54 <mnoqy> shachaf: what does it mean to know someone
00:04:00 <Sgeo> I think I have a Pentium II machine somewhere
00:04:04 <kmc> Bike: yeah, also they made this big gadget that will charge like 20 XO batteries at once, and also had integrated power brick so you could power the laptop while you switch out batteries
00:04:04 <Bike> oh fuck is this guy a futurist
00:04:28 <Bike> so the idea is that a small town has a few of those? nice.
00:04:34 <kmc> Bike: yeah or like one per school
00:04:34 <shachaf> mnoqy: do you do just hugs
00:04:41 <kmc> also they have that wireless mesh networking
00:04:44 <kmc> i don't know if that actually worked
00:04:45 <kmc> but cool idea
00:04:47 <Bike> that i did know about
00:04:50 <mnoqy> i can do handshakes
00:04:59 <kmc> i know the firmware for it was one of the only non-free components :/
00:05:03 <Bike> would be cool if i lived in an area with multiple internet connections?
00:05:03 <shachaf> mnoqy: that's where you hug someone and then shake them
00:05:04 <mnoqy> sometimes i even do a high five it's weird
00:05:14 <mnoqy> Hm come to think of it that handshake may have just been in a dream
00:05:15 <Bike> «David Houle (born 1948) is a futurist, keynote speaker, and author of The Shift Age. He coined the phrase The Shift Age and identified this new age as the successor to the Information Age in 2007.» fuuuuck
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00:05:30 <mnoqy> i do hand shakes All the Time i did 2 today can you believe it
00:05:35 <shachaf> mnoqy: imo come to san francisco and hug everyone
00:05:36 <elliott> mnoqy: wow handshakes are awful tho
00:05:45 <elliott> hugs are way more viable by virtue of not being handshakes
00:05:48 <Bike> a BA in art history
00:05:57 <Bike> making him as qualified to talk about future technology as: my mom
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00:06:18 <mnoqy> elliott: how about the high five? the one that i experienced either in dream or real life was one of those ones where you like go in for a handshake but then you slap the hands together and pull them away and fist bump
00:06:27 <shachaf> mnoqy: "high five" = the devil
00:06:28 <mnoqy> i have reasons for doubting this ever happened
00:06:32 <Bike> oh man the publisher is called "Booksurge"
00:06:32 <elliott> high fives are....... okay.....
00:06:34 <Bike> that's amazing
00:06:40 <mnoqy> shachaf: it's more of a middle five, really
00:06:43 <elliott> since it depends on the person you're high fiving not hurting your hand a bunch!!
00:06:46 <Bike> kmc: do they integrate with that bank card thing?
00:06:48 <shachaf> mnoqy "five"s of any kind are the devil
00:07:00 <shachaf> even sixes are the devil (if you have six fingers)
00:07:01 <mnoqy> even low fiveS????
00:07:11 <mnoqy> what if i have 2 fingers
00:07:21 <Bike> kmc: the thing where you have a cellphone operable like a debit card, and it's in a lot of 3rd world countries
00:07:30 <shachaf> mnoqy: why don't you like hugs
00:07:32 <kmc> oh like M-Pesa?
00:07:40 <Sgeo> Can TVs be used as a monitor?
00:07:41 <kmc> how would OLPC integrate with that
00:07:42 <mnoqy> shachaf: it's a cultural thing
00:07:52 <mnoqy> i'm not in the Hugs Are a Normal Thing culture
00:07:55 <kmc> oh, well ihaven't heard of any integration
00:08:05 <shachaf> mnoqy: which culture are you in
00:08:11 <shachaf> mnoqy: have you considered switching
00:08:11 <mnoqy> and I'm Very Not In the Kisses Are a Normal Thing culture
00:08:17 <Bike> just wondering like... what are they for, and stuff
00:08:22 <shachaf> kmc: are you in the hugs are a normal thing culture
00:08:26 <Bike> beyond some kind of piagetian education
00:08:32 <kmc> Sgeo: most TVs have HDMI in, and most computers have HDMI output or DVI output (and DVI can be converted to HDMI with a simple cheap adapter)
00:08:45 <kmc> Sgeo: also the TV in my house has a VGA input, some others have DVI input too
00:09:15 <Sgeo> Well, my TV kind of sucks
00:09:20 <Sgeo> I should check though
00:09:21 <kmc> 10 years ago I had a video card with composite and component video out
00:09:30 <kmc> and uh, that multi-pin thing that was better than composite but not as good as component
00:09:31 <Sgeo> But then again, still probably better to get a server than a Raspberry PI
00:10:08 <kmc> shachaf: yes I am
00:10:20 <shachaf> kmc: can i hug you next time i see you
00:10:46 <Sgeo> I want to buy stuff
00:10:50 <shachaf> One time I was in a play and the director had to teach me how to hug properly for it.
00:11:08 <shachaf> Then again it was an unusual sort of hug.
00:11:21 <elliott> Sgeo: welcome to consumerism
00:11:32 <mnoqy> why do people want to buy things
00:11:38 <kmc> i guess i'm also in the platonic cuddling culture a bit
00:11:41 <kmc> my friends more so
00:11:45 <Bike> commercials + also food
00:11:50 <shachaf> mnoqy: what do you think about platonic cuddling
00:11:58 <shachaf> (that means cuddling with platonic solids i think)
00:11:59 <elliott> did plato ever cuddle anyone
00:12:17 <mnoqy> ive never seen platonic cuddling happen ever i dont think
00:12:20 <Bike> one of plato's dialogues is two guys arguing over who's more worthy of fucking a kid
00:12:33 <kmc> we had people piles in college
00:12:36 <mnoqy> cuddling seems like a more Intimate Affection thing
00:12:41 <mnoqy> is that like an orgy
00:12:47 <mnoqy> ps i dont know what an orgy is
00:12:51 <kmc> yes it's like an orgy except that everyone has their clothes on and there's no sex
00:13:09 <mnoqy> hm maybe it's more like football
00:13:15 <mnoqy> people make piles in football right
00:13:19 <elliott> like football execpt that everyone has their clothes on and there's no sex
00:13:21 <kmc> american football?
00:13:38 <shachaf> elliott: that's not very much like football at all hth
00:13:42 <Bike> elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rival_Lovers behold
00:13:47 <mnoqy> the problem with football is i dont know the real name for american football
00:13:56 <mnoqy> but i know that other football can be called soccer
00:14:04 <kmc> it's "american football" hth
00:14:14 <shachaf> the other one is "association football" hth
00:14:17 <Bike> i like that socrates walks in and is like "you know what this conversation needs? me acting like an asshole"
00:14:37 <kmc> "gridiron football" is a superset that includes american and canadian football
00:15:01 <elliott> i cant abide by anyone who calls football soccer, sorry
00:15:09 <mnoqy> is there any name with fewer letters and/or syllables
00:15:16 <Bike> a british person dies every time you call it 'soccer' just fyi
00:15:26 <Bike> http://www.theshiftage.com/bookSummary.asp well shit i'm so up for this
00:15:27 <mnoqy> this sounds like a lot of power for me to have
00:15:42 <shachaf> there's a name with the same number of letters hth
00:15:59 <kmc> the shit age
00:16:19 <mnoqy> Running Classic ASP Applications on IIS 7 and IIS 8
00:16:24 <mnoqy> im learning about this error
00:16:31 <Bike> yeah i can't get the actual page
00:16:35 <Bike> assuming it's a sign
00:16:53 <shachaf> mnoqy: maybe next time i'm in southern california i can stop by for a hug??
00:17:02 <mnoqy> shachaf: i dont think thatd fly
00:17:47 <lambdabot> Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "???"
00:18:45 <mnoqy> is it in california because thats where i am
00:19:06 <shachaf> it's next to san luis obispo
00:19:27 <mnoqy> i've heard of that place too
00:19:40 <mnoqy> i've heard of that place too!
00:19:50 <kmc> the transit system in san luis obispo is called SLO Transit
00:20:02 <kmc> "Due to Internet Explorer performance limitations only ten routes can be selected during a browsing session."
00:20:06 <mnoqy> how do they pronounce it
00:20:39 <mnoqy> shachaf: does california only have 3 places in it
00:20:48 <shachaf> mnoqy: no............there's also san francisco and east palo alto
00:21:01 <mnoqy> i've heard of sanfransis co!!
00:21:02 <kmc> and pasadena
00:21:08 <mnoqy> i think i've heard of pasadena
00:21:10 <shachaf> btw if the place you live in has a direction in its name it's probablbylybyly a bad place
00:21:12 <kmc> i lived there for 4 years
00:21:13 <mnoqy> may or may not have heard of palo alto
00:21:26 <shachaf> mnoqy: oh and there's silly valley
00:21:32 <mnoqy> i've heard of silly valley!
00:21:38 <kmc> shitty valley
00:21:51 <kmc> i think berkeley is a place too
00:21:57 <shachaf> kmc be nice to my valley..........................
00:22:14 <mnoqy> i've heard of berkeley
00:22:40 <shachaf> i was tempted to move there once
00:22:47 <shachaf> just because it was a nice place??
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00:57:34 <shachaf> Oh, it starts with a digit.
00:57:38 <Bike> are you a wizard elliott
00:58:23 <mnoqy> at least once i've gotten one of those funky names
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01:02:03 <kmc> the motion smoothing on modern TVs is super creepy
01:03:58 <kmc> usually eah
01:04:11 <kmc> it interpolates between frames
01:04:17 <kmc> up to like 120fps or something ridiculous
01:04:54 <shachaf> Also it was kind of rude of me to type their email address into IRC. :-(
01:05:23 <shachaf> I did it without thinking. What an odd name.
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01:12:35 <kmc> the thing is, we associate 24 fps (film) with higher production values than 29.97 fps (video)
01:12:44 <kmc> so it makes everything look cheap
01:13:31 <kmc> james cameron was also complaining about this, because you need high framerate for 3D movies
01:13:34 <Bike> it's hilarious
01:13:46 <kmc> i guess in Europe they don't have this problem ?!?
01:13:56 <kmc> what a country
01:14:00 <shachaf> have they invented moving pictures in europe yet
01:14:02 <mnoqy> smooth is nice but taking something and smoothening it is scary
01:14:19 <elliott> i watched the hobbit at 48 fps
01:14:31 <elliott> it seemed perfectly cinematic to me, i think the "24 fps = film" thing is overblown
01:14:47 <elliott> like there are lots of other things that differentiate a film from a soap or whatever
01:15:19 <mnoqy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Thehobbit1977cover.png this is the hobbit im familiar with
01:15:25 <mnoqy> Definitive Version
01:15:33 <kmc> is that the russian one
01:15:40 <mnoqy> it's the animated one
01:15:43 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit_(1985_film)
01:15:45 <Bike> I saw a first edition Hobbit in person once. so weird
01:15:57 <Bike> Oh shit, was this the one by the Wizards guy
01:15:59 <mnoqy> that's a pretty good picture
01:17:01 <elliott> i mean the frame rate was weird for a few minutes or whatever but i got used to it
01:17:50 <kmc> shachaf: do you know why
01:18:04 <shachaf> Experience suggests that it'll disappear in a few days.
01:18:06 <kmc> a friend of mine accidentally sprayed someone else with a bottle of histamine once
01:18:09 <kmc> it was bad
01:21:29 <kmc> today's dinner: kraft mac & cheese with homegrown phoenix oyster mushrooms
01:22:56 <kmc> kmc & cheese
01:23:08 <pikhq> Interesting combination.
01:26:46 <shachaf> Bike: I was going to watch the movie today -- it's in an hour -- but I think I'm too itchy to sit still for 2 hours.
01:27:34 <kmc> mushrooms fried in butter, with leeks (which were not homegrown :/)
01:29:57 <Bike> shachaf: understandable.
01:30:23 <kmc> shachaf: do you have bedbugs?
01:31:03 <shachaf> I don't know anything about bedbugs, though.
01:31:15 <kmc> do you have bites
01:31:33 <kmc> i had bedbugs when i lived in new jersey
01:31:41 <shachaf> Um, maybe? I've been scratching myself a lot, though.
01:31:53 <shachaf> When I get the itching, it's usually my entire body mostly at once.
01:32:01 <shachaf> Then it typically goes away after a few days.
01:32:07 <shachaf> So it doesn't sound too plausible.
01:32:20 <shachaf> But I guess I'll examine my bed.
01:32:28 <kmc> if you don't have bites then eh
01:32:45 <kmc> has some kind of doctor addressed this itching situation in the past
01:32:58 <shachaf> Perhaps I should go do that.
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01:36:24 <shachaf> kmc: should i try taking antihistamines.....
01:37:36 <kmc> i don't know
01:37:40 <kmc> probably won't hurt
01:37:58 <kmc> unless your itching condition is a symptom of something that would make antihistamines a bad idea?
01:40:46 <shachaf> this is medical advice right??
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01:50:17 <kmc> there should be a pokemon named testicool
01:51:48 <pikhq> Within Japanese Buddhism, Mara is some sort of penis tentacle monster.
01:52:48 <kmc> how about Tanuki
01:53:17 <pikhq> That could just about slip by.
01:53:30 <kmc> http://www.wtfjapanseriously.com/2010/01/tanuki-balls.html
01:53:32 <pikhq> Tanuki are perceived as fairly innocent folklore in Japan.
01:53:42 <pikhq> Even when, yes, swinging around their giant shape-shifting testicles.
01:54:05 <pikhq> Like, this is literally "kids movie" material.
01:54:29 <kmc> imo testicles are more hilarious than lewd
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01:54:55 <pikhq> What's *lewd* is that they were translated as "pouches" in the English release of Pom Poko.
01:56:38 <shachaf> 18:01:15 <shachaf> (::String) $ printf "%d" 5
01:56:38 <shachaf> 18:05:13 <kmc> shachaf, :O
01:56:38 <shachaf> 18:05:41 <kmc> map (:: Int) [2,3]
02:00:19 <shachaf> Hmm, it's possible that I like mustard now.
02:00:26 <shachaf> I used to really hate it but that was many years ago.
02:00:30 <shachaf> How do I find out whether I like it or not?
02:00:33 <kmc> the great thing about mustard is that there are so many kinds to choose from
02:00:43 <shachaf> I was about to ask whether there were different kinds.
02:00:48 <shachaf> Which kind should I try? How should I try it?
02:02:10 <shachaf> have you considered ""cereal"""
02:04:30 <kmc> elliott: eat that soylent thing, it was designed by a hacker news person and is made from laboratory reagents
02:04:45 <Bike> just drink ethanol
02:05:19 <kmc> shachaf: I really like the Trader Joe's Sweet and Hot Mustard
02:05:52 <kmc> fry a kiełbasa and some sauerkraut
02:05:55 <kmc> apply mustard
02:05:58 <kmc> shove into face
02:06:02 <kmc> maybe you are a vegetarian?
02:06:06 * kmc doesn't remember.
02:06:19 <elliott> i've never seen you use .s
02:07:07 <pikhq> I'm pretty sure kmc has used .s. But not .
02:07:43 <shachaf> hey kmc remember that person with the capitalization pattern we couldn't figure out
02:08:14 <kmc> "\"good\""
02:08:44 <kmc> i think the 'pattern' was 'random'
02:09:31 <Sgeo> My company picked up The Blaze as a channel
02:09:33 <shachaf> esoteric/2012-04-27.txt:05:48:23: <shubshub> I worked Hard on Numeric Batch Now to Mix and Match the translation Numbers
02:09:48 <kmc> hey I wonder if I could convince this Channel to adopt German Capitalization as some kind of Meme
02:10:03 <Bike> i believe that's '19th century capitalization'
02:10:11 <Bike> well, 18th more like
02:10:31 <kmc> yeah english carried this over
02:10:38 <kmc> and then we got rid of it because we don't give a fuck
02:10:59 <Bike> oh is that why it is
02:11:01 <Bike> that makes a lot of sense.
02:11:07 <kmc> but, prolly.
02:11:10 <shachaf> Bike: should i go see it............................
02:11:14 <kmc> shubshub, inventor of !!!Batch
02:11:24 <Bike> I thought you couldn't
02:11:40 <kmc> shachaf: zwanzig minuten?!?!?
02:11:47 <shachaf> I'm trying to make up my mind here!
02:13:26 <Bike> well don't if you'll just be miserable
02:14:10 <shachaf> Maybe I should go find a place with air conditioning.
02:18:54 <shachaf> 19:18 <cmccann> elliott: imo you do, hth. </shachaf>
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02:22:40 <shachaf> Bike: oh should i see _The Sting_
02:22:51 <Bike> possibly not right now.
02:23:00 <shachaf> TWIST: I've already seen it!
02:25:14 <elliott> oh wow, the syrian electronic army actually hacked the onion. i thought that was just... a joke made up for an onion article
02:25:43 <Bike> heh, i'm still not sure if they faked it
02:25:54 <Bike> of course the SEA isn't actually in syria iirc
02:26:11 <kmc> what if i'm too drunk to go to 7-Eleven
02:27:09 <elliott> (i read http://www.theonion.com/articles/we-were-going-to-take-over-the-onion-website-but-i,32327/)
02:27:44 <elliott> btw it's literally the most annoying thing to have to refresh onion articles and then press stop before the paywall overlay loads
02:27:47 <kmc> i think it wasn't faked, they had a serious-seeming writeup on the onion tech blog (!) about how they got phished
02:27:53 <kmc> but of course they joked about it after it happened
02:27:56 <Bike> they... have a tech blog?
02:28:12 <kmc> http://theonion.github.io/
02:28:26 <kmc> ok they have one post.
02:30:00 <elliott> At this point the editorial staff began publishing articles inspired by the attack. The second article, Syrian Electronic Army Has A Little Fun Before Inevitable Upcoming Deaths At Hands Of Rebels, angered the attacker who then began posting editorial emails on their Twitter account.
02:30:13 <elliott> okay it is pretty great that they were writing them while the account was actually being compromised rather than just in the aftermath
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02:37:45 <elliott> http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/onionmeme.png this is amazing
02:38:34 <elliott> http://www.theonion.com/articles/onion-twitter-password-changed-to-onionman77,32323/
02:39:50 <elliott> relevant: http://www.theonion.com/articles/hi-in-the-past-2-years-you-have-allowed-me-to-kill,31805/
02:40:17 <Bike> the onion's pro-interventionism kind of annoys me but the articles are still funny
02:42:02 <Sgeo> pikhq, that video, the guy has a Nexus One
02:52:21 <Sgeo> pikhq, ... so, video formats have been ruled by painful backwards-compatibility? Reminds me of the web.
03:01:58 <Sgeo> "good old-fashioned spite"
03:02:35 <Bike> a new forward-looking spite, celebrating craftsmanship
03:05:04 <Sgeo> Oh hey there's a transcript
03:05:08 <Sgeo> http://wiki.xiph.org/Videos/A_Digital_Media_Primer_For_Geeks
03:05:28 <Sgeo> "For a given unique subsampling, there are usually also several equivalent formats that consist of trivial channel order rearrangements or repackings, due either to convenience once-upon-a-time on some particular piece of hardware, or sometimes just good old-fashioned spite."
03:17:44 <kmc> we decide what goes inside your head
03:21:59 <kmc> <Sgeo> Reminds me of the web. <--- also of everything else humans have ever done
03:22:28 <Bike> pretty sure most of that's on the web now kmc!!
03:28:06 <Sgeo> help i seem to be watching school-house rock
03:28:22 <Bike> that is not a situation you need to get out of
03:30:05 <kmc> I'm an amendment-to-be, yes an amendment-to-be / And I'm hoping that they'll ratify me / There's a lot of flag-burners who have too much freedom / I want to make it legal for policemen to beat 'em
03:30:24 <Bike> was that the adult swim parody?
03:31:00 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KGmHsKsa-U
03:31:25 <kmc> ah this "ADHD" is FOX's ripoff of Adult Swim
03:31:34 <Sgeo> When I was a kid, I thought the word "Hallelujah" came from that schoolhouse rock video about interjections
03:31:48 <shachaf> kmc: I purchased some REDACTED Sweet and Hot Mustard.
03:31:49 <kmc> very subtle name
03:31:54 <Sgeo> So when a classmade said it I thought she too saw that
03:32:20 <kmc> the word "Hallelujah" was invented by leonard cohen; everyone knows that
03:32:20 <shachaf> how does it feel to influence real-world happenings through typing words into irc
03:32:26 <kmc> shachaf: i feel like a fucking god
03:32:37 <shachaf> i haven't tasted it yet though. that comes later
03:32:44 <kmc> are you a vegetarian?
03:32:55 <kmc> you will eat fungi?
03:33:03 <kmc> they're more similar to animals than to plants, i hear
03:33:18 <Bike> can vegatarians eat diatoms
03:33:26 <kmc> if i come to SF i can give you much oyster mushrooms
03:33:35 <shachaf> will you grow them in newspapers
03:33:42 <kmc> most likely
03:34:18 <Sgeo> I didn't see the "money" schoolhouse rock videos when I was a kid
03:34:41 <Sgeo> Just grammar, USA, ... numbers?, and ... a fourth, I forget which. Probably not the actual names
03:34:42 <Bike> can vegetarians eat newspapers
03:35:04 <kmc> Our president was dead to us, Hallelujah! / He takes his pills so he can kill / Praise the Bible
03:35:21 <shachaf> «Many of Mason’s charmingly humorous antics are well-documented. As Charlie Rose explained in his introduction of Mason before a TV interview with him in December, the CEO once hired a man to walk around the office in a ballerina outfit with no explanation just to see the reaction. Mason’s Twitter account includes a picture of him excitedly unwrapping a Nintendo Wii in what looks like his underwear, and his Groupon bio claims he ...
03:35:27 <shachaf> ... “spends most of his time writing his life coach training book, Unleash the Power Within the Power Within: Self Help For Self Helpers.”»
03:35:30 <Sgeo> science rock, I guess>
03:35:30 <shachaf> groupon sounds like a good place to work huh
03:35:56 <kmc> i assume they're at the "rip wires out of the wall and sell them for scrap" stage of the business cycle
03:36:02 <Sgeo> I'm still pissed that Dexterity Software died and was replaced by some self-help BS
03:36:18 <Bike> whenever i see groupon commercials i do a double take
03:36:22 <kmc> when I was tripping on synthetic hallucinogens at Coachella (yeah yeah) I started ranting about how Groupon's business model was unsustainable
03:36:29 <kmc> and some guy in a line in front of me got super into it
03:36:31 <kmc> maybe he was the CEO
03:36:34 <Bike> sounds like a hell of a trip
03:36:51 <shachaf> what kind of hallucinogens
03:36:59 <Sgeo> It's no longer legally possible to get a game that I liked
03:37:00 <Bike> uh synthetic ones
03:37:04 <kmc> i think it was 2C-E
03:37:09 <kmc> don't recall
03:37:14 <shachaf> also it would be a shame if the kmc drugs jokes eliminated the kmc drugs stories
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03:37:35 <shachaf> maybe we should cut down on them
03:37:37 <Sgeo> I wonder how much a laptop only suitable for Win98 and older would cost
03:37:38 <shachaf> (the jokes, not the drugs)
03:37:47 <kmc> my friend took 2C-I and then tried to install Maple
03:38:05 <Bike> like... the CAS?
03:38:22 <shachaf> did he try to install it on pancakes
03:38:22 <Bike> i can't tell if your social circle is the most boring or best druggies ever
03:38:31 <kmc> he, but thanks
03:39:38 <Sgeo> There are people on ebay selling old laptops for $20 or so
03:39:53 <Sgeo> Don't know how legitimate those are
03:39:54 <shachaf> Maybe I should just switch to Finnish, which has gender-neutral third-person singular pronouns.
03:40:40 <kmc> In the middle of the holding out, nobody will be dropped out / Except fake gods whose faux pas are offsetting bets
03:45:08 <shachaf> I mentally assign a gender to everything, even inanimate objects.
03:45:22 <shachaf> Well -- don't "assign". Things just have genders.
03:45:32 <shachaf> I assume that comes from speaking Hebrew and that not everyone does it.
03:47:14 <Bike> well i don't. so there's one data point.
03:47:29 <kmc> i don't either, i think
03:48:41 <shachaf> It's actually not things but words, I guess.
03:48:50 <shachaf> For example "car" is female but "vehicle" is male.
03:49:37 <Sgeo> Why do people like CentOS for servers
03:49:38 <shachaf> I'm just going to pretend this is a form of synæsthesia.
03:50:13 <Bike> speaking of synthaesthesia, you know what's really weird to think about? bimodal bilingualism
03:50:17 <kmc> Sgeo: because red hat is stable and their kernel team is actually competent
03:50:20 <kmc> and probably other teams
03:52:00 <Sgeo> Should I use it if I get prgmr?
03:52:12 <kmc> cry havoc and let loose the blogs of war
03:52:23 <kmc> Sgeo: no because rpm sucks, hth
03:52:29 <Bike> i mean, can people sign and talk at the same time? i honestly don't know
03:58:43 <kmc> shachaf: so are you near a trader joe's then
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04:04:03 <shachaf> at the moment reasonably near
04:04:45 <kmc> one thing in favour of EPA
04:05:13 <shachaf> i am not very near home right now
04:07:10 <shachaf> kmc: Did you know the _The Third Wave_ thing was in Palo Alto?
04:08:32 <kmc> what's that thing
04:09:43 <shachaf> maybe it's more famous in .il
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04:13:40 <shachaf> so maybe both you and lexande will be in sf this summer
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05:03:46 <shachaf> There is a person outside falling asleep in his car.
05:04:06 <shachaf> Every time he falls asleep enough he presses on the steering wheel and the honk wakes him up.
05:04:30 <Bike> that's too cartoonish to be actually possible.
05:04:44 <shachaf> I saw it with my own eyes.
05:04:52 <shachaf> And heard it with my own ears, in particular.
05:05:22 <Bike> I'm laughing just picturing this.
05:25:53 <fizzie> Re sign and talk, the local TV news for hearing-impaired has the news announcers sign and at least mouth the words at the same time. (Someone else does the audible speaking of the broadcast.)
05:26:20 <Bike> next question, can they do two different things
06:03:55 <oklopol> i witnessed honking thing that last week
06:06:05 <oklopol> we were doing night watch (is this really how you say this in english?) at a company, and one guy kept dosing off
06:06:37 <oklopol> *-really since i have no idea
06:07:41 <oklopol> that sounds like we work at the company
06:07:52 <oklopol> i mean we were guarding it.
06:07:59 <oklopol> from like criminals and shit
06:08:18 <coppro> night shift is probably more idiomatic
06:15:34 <kmc> "night watch" makes sense if you are guarding it
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07:10:15 <kmc> i don't know how to prepare for this Mozillinterview
07:16:31 <shachaf> What sort of interview is it?
07:17:54 <kmc> first tech phone call, with one of the servo people
07:18:49 * shachaf doesn't know how to prepare for anyinterview, as such.
07:19:56 <kmc> for some interviews it pays to memorize stuff from CLRS ahead of time
07:20:03 <kmc> big tables of what algorithm has what big-O complexity
07:20:07 <kmc> i think that's kinda dumb
07:20:39 <kmc> when i interviewed at ye olde hedge funde, i brushed up on some C++ stuff the night before and that did help a bit
07:20:53 <Bike> obviously they should requireyou to present a novel complexity result
07:21:24 <kmc> another useful type of preparation is to think of questions you want to ask
07:21:39 <shachaf> That would indeed be useful.
07:22:16 <kmc> maybe i should do more of that
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10:36:36 <Taneb> The Eurovision final is coming up, isn't it?
10:42:16 <fizzie> I guess it's still "coming up".
10:42:50 <Taneb> I don't like Finland's song
10:42:59 <Taneb> Listening to Greece's now
10:43:26 <fizzie> I didn't like Finland's song either, but it made to the finals.
10:43:45 <fizzie> Was Greece's the "free booze" one?
10:44:41 <Taneb> Listening to the UK's
10:45:13 <fizzie> I haven't heard that, because your place is one of those "more equal than others" ones.
10:46:38 <Taneb> I think officially, we're one of the "Those guys who are actually paying for it" countries
10:46:56 <Taneb> But yeah, the UK generally sucks at Eurovision
10:47:56 <Taneb> Okay, that was... alright
10:48:04 <Taneb> I think Finland's was better
10:48:07 <Taneb> Now for the Netherlands
10:51:17 <Taneb> Okay, she's a good singer, but I found the song lacking
10:55:43 <fizzie> And it's just "paying more than the others"; everyone's doing some of it, I understand.
10:57:37 <fizzie> E.g. Turkey's not participating this year, and one of their cited reasons is the "big five" rule.
11:03:10 <Taneb> Estonia's entry seems pretty good
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12:12:38 <Jafet> Is chip's challenge turing complete?
12:18:58 <Koen_> Taneb: Okay, she's a good singer, but I found the song lacking
12:19:09 <Koen_> are you saying there wasn't a song?
12:19:24 <Koen_> and she was just moving her lips without any sound
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13:24:22 <Snowyowl> Are there any classes of non-Turing-complete languages in which a nontrivial self-interpreter is possible?
13:25:25 <nortti> bounded storage machine
13:28:22 <Snowyowl> the simulated copy would have access to less memory, though
13:28:43 <Snowyowl> you can't have an infinite tower of self-interpreting self-interpreters like you can in a Turing machine
13:31:18 <mroman_> What would be the most easiest to port compiler of a somewhat high level language?
13:31:59 <mroman_> porting to an other target architecture that is not exactly x86
13:32:13 <mroman_> and by that I mean make it generate code for that not exactly x86 platform
13:36:58 <Jafet> Use gcc, the gnu cross compiler
13:37:27 <mroman_> porting gcc is a little bit too much work
13:37:37 <mroman_> because it's actually writing a gcc backend
13:37:43 <Jafet> It's already been ported, so it would be about zero work
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14:06:04 <nortti> Snowyowl: what about push-down machine then?
14:07:16 <Snowyowl> Yes, quite possibly. I'm not sure my question was well-defined.
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16:02:33 <oerjan> <kmc> i'm finding out that you can't mess around with saliva <-- i'm pretty sure messes are pretty easy to produce with saliva fwiw
16:05:59 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> hey elliott remember that thing about formal power series and types <-- are you referring to that thing about how equations work with types if they work with complex numbers? i don't remember where that was either but maybe it will jog elliott's memory.
16:06:47 <oerjan> well i vaguely think it was an arxiv link
16:07:10 <elliott> i thought he meant that blog post / paper it linked to yes
16:07:16 <elliott> but i didn't want to try and find it without confirmation
16:08:50 <oerjan> also, i vaguely recall asking if that worked with the 1+2+3+... = -1/12 result.
16:11:15 <oerjan> <Bike> isn't it pretty old? i mean there's that book "little eichmanns" <-- now i am imagining a book for classifying people according to which nazi person they resemble the most.
16:12:10 <oerjan> it'd also include classifications like quisling and petain (sp?)
16:14:36 <oerjan> metropolitan france is a weird term
16:15:02 <oerjan> (i was reminded by wp's petain article)
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16:17:25 <Taneb> Okay, I am actually making an Iron Man costume
16:18:46 <oerjan> i don't think he needs to stop unless he includes actual rockets hth
16:19:30 <oerjan> oh well, as long as you upload to youtube.
16:23:54 <oerjan> <elliott> not all digestive's have chocolates <-- you should write a tract about digestives so i'll finally learn what they are twh
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16:24:36 <elliott> oerjan: http://images1.mysupermarket.co.uk/Products_1000/11/011211.jpg?v=1 hope this helps
16:25:51 <oerjan> oh there's a norwegian wikipedia article maybe that will crack the code
16:26:12 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: can you imagine all these people going through life without eating a _single digestive_
16:27:52 <oerjan> bah i was hoping to find a brand that i've actually tasted in norway.
16:28:17 <oerjan> also you ignored my awful pun you rascals.
16:28:28 <elliott> i think they don't really exist outside of the UK or something
16:28:51 <elliott> i am happy to come to trondheim and bring digestives
16:29:10 <oerjan> elliott: there's apparently two swedish brands linked in no.wp but no norwegian ones
16:29:34 <elliott> they probably aren't as good as british ones anyway
16:30:17 <elliott> i am also happy to bring cadbury flakes as previously discussed in #esoteric
16:33:49 <oerjan> <elliott> you kind of have to dunk it in milky tea for it to taste nice tho, regardless of whether you like milky tea or not <-- maybe someone can invent a machine that produces small amounts of milky tea for those who want digestives but cannot bear to drink tea
16:34:22 <elliott> i must note that by "milky tea" i mean "tea with a drop of milk in it"
16:35:08 <elliott> oerjan: you've had ginger nuts right... or at least some kind of ginger biscuit....
16:35:13 <oerjan> mind you i have nothing against tea myself, although i habitually drink coffee instead. i was just seeing a market.
16:35:55 <oerjan> elliott: i've had gingerbread (and made houses from it), does that count?
16:38:13 <oerjan> in fact i may or may not have had ginger nuts. it seems like norwegian christmas tradition calls certain bakery stuff "pepper" in which english speaking people would use "ginger", and i _have_ had peppernøtter.
16:39:00 <oerjan> pepperkakehus ~= gingerbread house
16:39:11 <elliott> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ginger+nut&aq=f&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og
16:39:16 <elliott> here are some helpful pictures
16:40:44 <oerjan> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ginger+nut&aq=f&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&biw=1152&bih=635&sei=OV2WUfO4BY_6sgbvmYDYDw#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=peppern%C3%B8tter&oq=peppern%C3%B8tter&gs_l=img.3...41281.48485.0.48938.20.15.4.1.1.0.63.767.15.15.0...0.0...1c.1.14.img._s97c-jpO58&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.Yms&fp=773a4c622afebc5a&biw=1152&bih=635
16:41:00 <oerjan> wtf is it doing with that url and why is yours shorter
16:42:22 <oerjan> oh it includes your search nested inside
16:43:04 <elliott> i cut off some of the crap from my url
16:43:15 <elliott> oerjan: that looks like roughly the same thing, yes
16:44:12 <oerjan> hm they should have some kind of "share this search" link
16:46:03 <oerjan> hm trying to recall... they might be slightly soft inside
16:48:45 <oerjan> small, hard, spices include cinnamon, pepper, ginger and star anise
16:49:23 <oerjan> crosswiki links with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepernoot
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16:51:10 <oerjan> "People mistakenly confuse kruidnoten with pepernoten." and the picture for the former fits better, as do the ingredients :P
16:51:31 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruidnoten
16:54:24 <elliott> kruidnoten look quite like ginger nuts, yes
16:54:37 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_nut has a section about scandinavian pepperkaker, "Cloves, cinnamon and cardamom are important ingredients of these, and the actual ginger taste is not prominent."
16:54:58 <elliott> so it's a bad ginger nut :P
16:55:07 <elliott> terrible picture for that article, also
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17:03:57 <boily> let's see what that can of unknown beverage tastes like...
17:04:53 <boily> no burning sensation, no abdominal cramps, no dizziness, and it's quite good. at least it's non-toxic.
17:06:44 <Gregor> Or the toxin is slow-acting.
17:07:19 <elliott> boily: what does it taste like
17:08:07 <boily> elliott: it's... uhm... except for the lychee flavour... eeeeh... I'd say something like non-descript.
17:10:14 <boily> on one side of the can: «Grass jelly drink // Boisson aux gelées d'herbes arome de lychee // Xưng xáo muì trái vải // Lychee flavour»
17:10:47 <boily> the other side has the chinese version, which is a little bit longer to type.
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17:13:19 <Phantom_Hoover> for when you just can't stand your fruit not resembling eyeballs
17:15:18 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: It's a good first step in kicking the eyeball habit.
17:15:36 <Gregor> Eyeballs are delicious, but they're an ADDICTION.
17:15:59 <boily> `addquote <Gregor> Eyeballs are delicious, but they're an ADDICTION.
17:16:04 <HackEgo> 1036) <Gregor> Eyeballs are delicious, but they're an ADDICTION.
17:16:23 <boily> apparently, 仙草 (xiancao) is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesona_chinensis
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17:33:44 <kmc> <Jafet> Is chip's challenge turing complete?
17:33:47 <kmc> interesting question
17:36:55 <kmc> you would need an infinite starting configuration
17:39:17 <kmc> anyway i suspect so
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18:13:18 <HackEgo> olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
18:13:22 <shachaf> Sgeo: Thanks for doing your job!
18:20:06 <kmc> shachaf: http://hitcon.org/2005/ (Big5 apparently)
18:23:05 <oerjan> <mnoqy> shachaf: what does it mean to know someone <-- i suggest searching the bible for answers xo
18:23:37 <oerjan> mnoqy is not here, lucky guy
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18:28:43 <elliott> "Hail the qe ↓ Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty invasion of prostitution during the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion invasion invasion invasion of the Han Dynasty to the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty"
18:28:46 <elliott> "Han Dynasty invasion invasion invasion of the Han Dynasty to the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion invasion of the Han Dynasty Han Dynasty invasion of the Han Dynasty ah piece Han Dynasty think weeping Han Dynasty sin deceive"
18:28:51 <elliott> Uncomfortable prostitution pig piglet piglets, pig piglet head head piglet piglets head piglet head piglet piglets "
18:28:54 <elliott> "Piglets piglets piglets head Tsai Tang licensing pig pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat"
18:28:57 <elliott> "Pig licensing pig, pig, pig fat, pig fat, fat pig fat fat pig brand pig goose of divination deceive uncomfortable pig card"
18:29:00 <elliott> "Pig fat pig fat, pig fat pig, pig fat, pig fat pig brand, the fat bundle scare uncomfortable pig fat pig fat"
18:29:03 <elliott> "Pig fat, pig fat, pig fat, pig fat the cover deceive uncomfortable pig brand pig fat pig fat pig fat pig love"
18:29:06 <elliott> "Pig fat, fat group scare uncomfortable, pig, pig, pig fat, fat pig fat pig brand pig fat pig fat pig fat"
18:29:09 <elliott> "Pig fat the pig the fat silk scare uncomfortable pig brand pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat pig fat pig expensive"
18:29:12 <elliott> "Magic magic pig pig pill,, Ah Zhu Tousan, Ah pig, pig Zhutou San pig goose Zhutou San pig-headed pig"
18:29:15 <elliott> "Pig magic magic pig piglet piglets head piglet piglets piglets piglets, pig piglet head the head."
18:29:18 <elliott> "Pig pig will be the pig pig pig pig pig will pig will the pig pig will"
18:29:20 <elliott> "Pig pig pig will the pig brother Zhu Tousan of pig pill pig pig pig on pig will
18:29:23 <elliott> "The pig Ah pig, a pig pig pig pig pig pig pig pig"
18:29:26 <elliott> "Pig pig constriction scare uncomfortable pig pig pig pig on the Zhu Tousan pig piano pig tumor
18:29:29 <elliott> "Pig tumor pig tumor the mixed pig pig chaos";
18:35:40 <oerjan> <Bike> a british person dies every time you call it 'soccer' just fyi <-- wait why have i not heard of this enormous british death toll before
18:36:26 <Taneb> oerjan, Glasgow's in Britain.
18:36:34 <Taneb> Most of the deaths are there
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18:37:52 <oerjan> elliott: is that a poem, or is it a gross mistranslation from an original chinese text in which every syllable is pronounced "shi" ?
18:38:09 <elliott> oerjan: you would have to ask google and kmc
18:38:15 <oerjan> well i guess the latter is also a poem
18:38:23 <Bike_> what, the lion eating poet in the stone den?
18:38:49 <oerjan> Bike_: btw you need to smack me hth
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18:39:23 <oerjan> whew, it's hot in here
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18:41:15 <oklopol> i wondered about the same as oerjan
18:42:52 <Koen_> that's what shi said
18:53:11 <Bike> well the lion eating poet in the stone den isn't about pigs
18:53:34 <Bike> what elliott quoted is presumably shellcode developed under the constraint of looking vaguely like English text to fool firewalls
18:53:44 <elliott> oh my god kmc literally linked
18:53:50 <elliott> a few lines above what i said
18:54:05 <elliott> you weren't there for what i pasted either..........................
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19:00:41 <oerjan> <shachaf> who is this person <-- shacka when the walls fell hth
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19:08:10 <oerjan> <shachaf> 18:01:15 <shachaf> (::String) $ printf "%d" 5 <-- i remember suggesting that syntax once.
19:09:22 <shachaf> oerjan: I remember suggesting it multiple times!
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19:09:42 <oerjan> memory, such a wonderful thing!
19:09:55 <Bike> > printf "%d" 5
19:09:56 <oerjan> however unlike me, you know how to patch ghc right?
19:10:02 <lambdabot> Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints:
19:10:15 <Bike> > asTypeOf "hi" (printf "%d" 5)
19:10:35 <oerjan> wait have you actually got it in...
19:10:44 <oerjan> Bike: the point is not to be verbose hth
19:11:14 <Bike> > length "(::String) $ printf \"%d\""
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19:29:36 <oerjan> <fizzie> Re sign and talk, the local TV news for hearing-impaired has the news announcers sign and at least mouth the words at the same time. (Someone else does the audible speaking of the broadcast.) <-- i vaguely thought mouth movements was sometimes a part of sign language
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19:38:20 <oerjan> `learn Eurovision is the European way of looking at the world. For some reason it involves a lot of cheesy singing.
19:38:58 <oerjan> Jafet: DOES THAT HELP HTH
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19:52:36 <Taneb> What's that way to embed Javascript in the URL
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20:03:05 <Taneb> So when the page is loaded the Javascript in the URL is executed
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20:04:21 <FireFly> Well there's the javascript: pseudo-protocol, but apart from that it isn't possible
20:04:43 <FireFly> without a script included on the page that inspects the URL and eval()s part of it
20:05:45 <Taneb> Why did I think there was a way
20:06:02 <Taneb> Do I keep dreaming about going on the internet and seeing JavaScript in a page?
20:06:52 <Taneb> Or in a URL, rather?
20:07:30 <FireFly> Might've been javascript: URLs
20:07:48 <FireFly> but I'm not sure if those are specced actually
20:08:31 <Lumpio-> data:text/html;base64,PHNjcmlwdD5hbGVydCgiaGkhIik7PC9zY3JpcHQ+
20:09:28 <kmc> also old IE would let you do things like about:<script>while(1){window.open(document.src)}</script>
20:10:23 <Taneb> kmc, that may have been what I was thinking about
20:10:37 <shachaf> `run echo 'HQ9+' | base64 -d | xxd
20:11:09 <Taneb> oerjan, I preferred Monday's
20:11:13 <elliott> wow even google's doing it
20:11:14 <elliott> Cookies help us deliver our services. By using our services, you agree to our use of cookies.
20:11:14 <FireFly> \x1D is *almost* printable :<
20:11:29 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, it's actually a new day in Freefall
20:11:38 <Taneb> shachaf, Monday's Freefall
20:12:07 <Phantom_Hoover> didn't most of them happen over a disproportionately short period of rl time
20:12:30 <oerjan> hm i think the first panel of wednesday's comic has been edited since i saw it
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20:23:46 <kmc> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rob-ford-crackstarter stupid future
20:28:45 <elliott> We are raising the money to purchase the video and publish it so the citizens of Toronto can watch a startlingly clear video of their mayor smoking crack.
20:28:46 <Taneb> What is "formal methods"
20:29:23 <shachaf> techniques for preserving biological specimens hth
20:29:44 <shachaf> Bike: Do you have /hilight biolog?
20:30:05 <Bike> no, i just happened to get back from a farming adventure
20:30:30 <kmc> Taneb: i mainly hear it used to refer to verifying the correctness of code using theorem provers and model checkers and the like
20:30:50 <kmc> "formal" as opposed to the more usual methods of "do random shit and see if it breaks"
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20:30:54 <kmc> Bike: what were you farming?
20:31:04 <shachaf> also used as a disinfectant, apparently
20:31:06 <Bike> just moved their pen
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20:31:39 <Bike> they're like little stupid people that you can play with and sometimes eat, as they say
20:31:58 <shachaf> don't play with your food :(
20:32:09 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: http://home.comcast.net/~ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.html starts with a day-comic mapping (although out of date)
20:32:32 <elliott> Bike: you're such a biologist
20:33:01 <Bike> yeah i don't actually play with chickens, i just chase them around
20:33:12 <Bike> stupid things don't know i'm just moving out of the apocalyptic shithole they've made for themselves
20:33:39 <shachaf> THE JOKE WAS FORMALDEHYDE / FORMALIN
20:34:08 <kmc> imo farm mushromos
20:34:11 <kmc> mushrooms too
20:34:24 <Bike> maybe once i get my own place
20:34:33 <Bike> i'll turn the apartment building into a fungal hell just like in my japanese animes
20:35:03 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i believe we are currently just starting another saturday, so it might be the 24th day
20:35:30 <Taneb> Bike, I prefer French animes
20:35:43 <Bike> well, so do i, but there's lesso f them
20:35:56 <Bike> you've seen the time masters, right? that's what i'm envisioning here
20:36:41 <Taneb> (France was the first country other than Japan that I have heard of making anime-esque animation
20:36:46 <Bike> i guess kmc doesn't mean hallucinogens though
20:37:03 <Bike> Taneb: Les Maîtres du temps is a french animated film.
20:37:06 <Bike> pretty good imo
20:37:25 <Bike> anyway all mœbius all the time that's my jam
20:37:36 <oerjan> or wait. maybe it's friday, the big event happened at midnight.
20:37:43 <Taneb> Bike, I had Code Lyoki in mind. I think that's French Anime
20:37:53 <Bike> code lyoko is way more anime yeah
20:38:18 <Bike> BUT something something franco-belgian comicry.
20:38:38 <Taneb> I enjoy Franco-Belgian comicry
20:38:48 <Bike> who doesn't? (the answer is jerks)
20:39:02 <Taneb> I have a formidable Asterix collection, and a fair few Tintins
20:40:14 <Bike> alas i have no money for comixxx
20:40:30 <Bike> hm is hould pirate a mobius artbook
20:41:20 <Bike> kmc: you just farm stuff in an apartment, right?
20:41:41 <kmc> yeah i didn't mean specifically psychedelic mushrooms, although the techniques are more or less the same
20:41:56 <kmc> my gf does most of the work
20:42:35 <elliott> pretty sure all mushrooms are illegal Just Say No
20:42:53 <Bike> i would have to put my yard under arrest
20:43:00 <Bike> anyway i don't think i've even had mushrooms by themselves ever
20:43:12 <Bike> i'd have to learn to cook them, hrm
20:43:13 <Taneb> I had a steak and mushroom sandwich for lunch today
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20:43:32 <kmc> her method is basically: cultivate spores or liquid culture on petri dishes; transfer the least contaminated bits to other petri dishes; once you have a clean culture, transfer it to sterilized grain in mason jars (do this in a still-air box), and once the jars are fully colonized you mix the grain in with some bulk substrate like sawdust or shredded newspaper
20:43:38 <kmc> i'm leaving out some details
20:43:45 <Bike> petri dish farming huh
20:43:54 <Taneb> #living life on the edge #yolo #thug lyfe
20:43:55 <kmc> mushroom cultivation is all about sterile technique
20:44:04 <Bike> how... biological **glances at elliott**
20:44:08 <kmc> Bike: what mushrooms grow in your yard?
20:44:30 <Bike> i dunno, just a lot? i'm surrounded by woods here, life is just sort of around
20:44:31 <kmc> a simple and delicious thing to do with many edible mushrooms is, chop them up, fry them in butter, add them to pasta or such
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20:45:20 <Bike> basically picture me as saint francis, except playing angry birds on his phone
20:45:27 <kmc> Bike: you can post info to http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3
20:45:33 <kmc> and people will ID them
20:45:43 <Bike> maybe i'll take some photos
20:45:50 <kmc> a spore print is very useful
20:46:08 <Bike> "An overview on how to find Psilocybin Mushrooms. " i think elliott might be on to something here
20:46:12 <Bike> what's a spore print?
20:46:18 <Bike> like get some spores on a platter?
20:46:55 <kmc> pick a cap, put it gills-down on some aluminum foil, put a few drops of water on top of the cap to keep it moist, and put a jar or cup over that
20:47:01 <fizzie> I seem to have joined ##shrooms by accident.
20:47:11 <fizzie> fungot: You sound like a guy who knows about mushrooms.
20:47:12 <fungot> fizzie: if any of the deal that is an option of " truing up not confirming because of the last few years of the over the top it all.
20:47:19 <kmc> in a day or so you'll see a finee powder of spores deposited on the foil
20:47:32 <kmc> the color of the spores is an important characteristic for identifying the species
20:47:41 <kmc> and also, you can keep those spores long-term and use them to grow new mushrooms
20:47:43 * Bike knows nothing about life despite supposedly being a biologist
20:49:07 <Bike> there's probably just a "Elliott-Spooky Life of the Northwest" book i can pick up somewhere though.
20:49:47 <FireFly> I thought you were a bikeologist
20:50:22 <kmc> did you know there was a new species of psychedelic mushroom discovered in Golden Gate Park in like 2011
20:50:55 <Bike> when you say "new" to you mean at all or was it natives going "yeah you missed a few, dumbasses"
20:51:07 <kmc> don't remember exactly
20:51:11 <elliott> i forget, psychedelic mushrooms *are* illegal right
20:51:21 <kmc> i think it was more like someone definitively decided that it's a new species rather than a subspecies
20:51:26 <kmc> by whatever criteria they use
20:51:26 <Bike> in the US everything fun is illegal
20:51:31 <kmc> elliott: in most jurisdictions, yeah
20:51:50 <kmc> they used to be quasi-legal in .nl but I think no longer :/
20:51:54 <elliott> is there any rationale at all
20:51:54 <Bike> there are exceptions for some religious ceremonies
20:52:13 <kmc> when I was in Amsterdam in 2007 i bought fresh psilocybe mushrooms in a store
20:52:15 <elliott> (s/rationale/rationalisation/)
20:52:45 <kmc> i think the courts decided that fresh mushrooms didn't count as a preparation of a drug, since they weren't prepared and there was no way to know exactly what the dose is
20:52:49 <kmc> some weird justification like that
20:52:57 <kmc> elliott: uh the rationale is DRUGS ARE BAD
20:53:37 <kmc> in a puritan society like America, anything that produces physical pleasure is seen with great suspicion
20:53:53 <kmc> especially if it can't be easily controlled by the hierarchical structures of society
20:54:14 <kmc> that's why it's also so important for the government and the church to regulate what constitutes marriage (i.e. legitimate sexual intimacy)
20:54:36 <Bike> didn't texas have sodomy laws on the books until like the 80s
20:55:02 <kmc> the last sodomy laws were struck down in 2003 by the supreme court
20:55:05 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
20:55:12 <Bike> "The toxicity of psilocybin is low. In rats, the median lethal dose (LD50) when administered orally is 280 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg), approximately one and a half times that of caffeine" haha beautiful.
20:56:10 <kmc> anyway magic mushrooms are extra dangerous because not only do they provide physical pleasure but they provide dangerous ideas about peaceful coexistence and non-hierarchical spiritual experience and stuff like that
20:56:20 <olsner> Bike: that doesn't say anything about the lethal dose for humans... or for society!
20:56:23 <Bike> «A concurring opinion by Chief Justice Warren E. Burger cited the "ancient roots" of prohibitions against homosexual sex, quoting William Blackstone's description of homosexual sex as an "infamous crime against nature", worse than rape, and "a crime not fit to be named." » 1986........
20:56:57 <kmc> (i'm definitely stretching this rationale though because the USA was founded by Protestants who weren't big on centralized religion...)
20:58:02 <kmc> right so psilocybin was banned in the USA in 1965
20:58:42 <Bike> the reationale being "it's hallucinogenic"
20:58:43 <kmc> so it was probably a move to target the emerging counterculture
20:59:13 <Bike> «The Florida Supreme Court in 1978 ruled that possession of wild psilocybin mushrooms is not illegal;[37] however, whether knowingly gathering wild psilocybin mushrooms for later use is illegal was not addressed in the decision.[38]» wat
20:59:45 <kmc> so we might say that magic mushrooms are illegal because they were used by people who protested against war and institutional racism
21:00:04 <kmc> much as marijuana was banned decades earlier to stick it to the mexicans and the black jazz musicians
21:00:21 <kmc> LSD was banned in 1970
21:00:28 <kmc> before that you could order free samples from Sandoz
21:01:22 <Bike> «Justice of the Peace Mike Parrott found them guilty and imposed a $100 fine and court costs of $41.25 on each defendant. When the defense attorneys realized that the fine was below the minimum required to permit them to appeal the convictions, they asked the judge to impose a higher penalty. Parrott, well aware that the attorneys intended to use the case to raise a constitutional challenge, increased it to $125 with the agreement of the pros
21:01:45 <kmc> the shroomery forums also do plant identification but it's mostly "i found this cactus at walmart, will it get me high"
21:02:24 <elliott> Bike: agreement of the pros
21:02:37 <kmc> also some people will buy any plant that says "salvia" on the label
21:02:38 <Bike> ecutor» loooool
21:02:47 <Bike> (that's the case that got sodomy laws unconstitutional)
21:02:56 <Bike> kmc: salvia boringorum
21:03:30 <Bike> "what do you mean, different species in the same genus have different effects"
21:03:44 <kmc> also salvia divinorum is really hard to cultivate anyway
21:03:57 <elliott> Taneb: does your hot tap ever smell funny when it's on
21:04:13 <elliott> kmc: wait is it called divinorum because, like, divine
21:04:18 <elliott> Taneb: just the hot tap though?
21:04:31 <kmc> elliott: "Diviner's sage"
21:04:39 <Taneb> We're right next to the sewage treatment place, though
21:04:46 <kmc> used by indigenous people in mexico for thousands of years
21:05:28 <kmc> but the effect of chewing on raw leaves is rather milder than the effect of concentrating the active ingredient 40x and then vaporizing it with a paint-stripper heat gun and hitting it out of a huge bong
21:06:13 <kmc> also salvinorin is a really strange drug, not just in terms of effects but also chemically and pharmacologically
21:06:21 <kmc> it contains no nitrogen
21:06:34 <kmc> and there's basically nothing else analogous that grows naturally
21:07:20 <kmc> or even any other popular synthetic hallucinogen that targets the same receptor system
21:07:26 <kmc> only very obscure research chemicals
21:09:44 <kmc> quite right
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21:10:31 <elliott> i think we alienated dessos
21:10:35 <Taneb> You know Heroin was originally used to cure Morphine addictions?
21:10:53 <Taneb> It... technically worked.
21:11:25 <kmc> http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/medshow/bayerheroin1901.html http://wings.buffalo.edu/aru/Bayer-heroin.jpg
21:11:30 <kmc> also a cough suppresant
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21:18:42 <elliott> kmc: hi here's what's going on in #haskell represented by a single quote "Hi, I'm sorry for interrupting this interesting discussion about tabs vs. spaces (I'm glad somebody finally talks about it!)"
21:18:49 <elliott> thought you should be kept updated
21:20:46 <Bike> http://i.imgur.com/vOakVSj.jpg
21:23:46 <olsner> thanks, that tells me all I need to know
21:24:09 <shachaf> no charge for that @google
21:24:43 <Bike> olsner: +q is quiet
21:25:48 <elliott> kmc: and also ops deopping other ops so that their +qs of the ops work
21:26:29 <olsner> so all the non-ops are discussing whitespace and the ops aren't doing anything useful either?
21:28:39 <FireFly> well if it was #whitespace it'd be meaningful discussion!
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21:34:21 <elliott> olsner: the ops were discussing whitespace too
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22:08:15 <Koen_> don't fuck with my brain like that fizzie :(
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22:30:18 <Koen_> that could be the title of a chinese strategy board game FireFly
22:30:32 <Koen_> well either a strategy board game or a porn movie, I don't know
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23:47:03 <Phantom_Hoover> i can only included that "Guy Whom Randall Monroe Is Better Than" is now a standard xkcd cast member
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23:54:12 <mnoqy> did top hat man kill a child
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