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00:07:49 <Bike> Expand
00:07:56 <Bike> or rather, https://twitter.com/search?q=%23philoSeinfeld
00:08:59 <Sgeo> shachaf, apparently the 'happy ending' prophecy is supposed to reassure the reader that the story has a happy ending
00:09:42 <shachaf> It has one!
00:09:45 <shachaf> Right in strip 887.
00:10:57 <Sgeo> From the forums
00:10:58 <Sgeo> 'Guys, you can stop freaking out about this being Elan's prophecy. War and XPs commentary says his prophecy is a word from the Giant to the readers that when the entire story is over Elan will have a happy ending, and that while things might get scary for a while they will work out in the end.'
00:12:01 <kmc> it was a huge mistake to join a company started by my friends
00:12:08 <Sgeo> o.O
00:12:10 <kmc> even though the only reason they were my friends was that I worked at a previous company they started
00:12:17 <kmc> such are the dumb paradoxes of my life
00:12:56 <shachaf> :-(
00:13:32 <shachaf> Sgeo: imo plz arrange for another update this friday thx
00:14:09 <Sgeo> shachaf, would you actually be upset if it happened sooner than Friday?
00:14:25 <shachaf> I wouldn't be upset if one happened sooner than Friday.
00:14:30 <shachaf> As long as one happened on Friday.
00:15:16 <Sgeo> Is Friday your birthday or something?
00:17:08 <shachaf> No?
00:17:33 <kmc> on the rubik's cube you can rotate two adjacent centers by π/2 or rotate a single center by π
00:17:38 <shachaf> Well, I mean, I'm sure it's *something*.
00:18:21 <shachaf> You could just say 1/2 and 1/4.
00:18:38 <shachaf> Hmm, maybe angles should be measured in the reciprocal of the fraction of a full turn.
00:18:52 <shachaf> So 1 is a full turn, 2 is a half turn, 4 is a quarter turn.
00:19:39 <shachaf> This is a good system.
00:19:43 <shachaf> What should I call this "unit"?
00:19:43 <Bike> so arc length would be pi/angle? that's not too bad
00:19:53 <shachaf> Bike: 2pi?
00:20:18 <kmc> shachaf: the shachaf
00:20:24 <shachaf> kmc: no
00:20:54 <shachaf> maybe i'll call it an ungle because it's not really an angle................................
00:20:54 <kmc> the elcric
00:21:00 <shachaf> elcric?
00:21:05 <Bike> shangle
00:21:16 <kmc> is that a portmanteau of "shit" and "angle"
00:21:28 <Bike> exactly
00:23:24 <Bike> Oh, what's the equivalent zero radians?
00:24:24 <shachaf> 0 = 2pi = 1 turn
00:24:51 <shachaf> I'll call it the "nurt" because it's the opposite of a turn.
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00:29:27 <shachaf> > over (partsOf (traverse.filtered (`notElem`"aeiou"))) reverse "turn"
00:29:32 <lambdabot> mueval: ExitFailure 1
00:29:32 <lambdabot> mueval: Prelude.undefined
00:29:38 <shachaf> > over (partsOf (traverse.filtered (`notElem`"aeiou"))) reverse "turn"
00:29:38 <shachaf> > over (partsOf (traverse.filtered (`notElem`"aeiou"))) reverse "turn"
00:29:39 <shachaf> > over (partsOf (traverse.filtered (`notElem`"aeiou"))) reverse "turn"
00:29:41 <shachaf> LAMBDABOT
00:29:43 <lambdabot> mueval: ExitFailure 1
00:29:44 <lambdabot> mueval: Prelude.undefined
00:29:44 <lambdabot> mueval: ExitFailure 1
00:29:44 <lambdabot> mueval: Prelude.undefined
00:29:44 <lambdabot> mueval: ExitFailure 1
00:29:45 <shachaf> STOP DYING
00:29:45 <lambdabot> mueval: Prelude.undefined
00:30:28 <kmc> lambdabot needs to go to rehab
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00:37:42 <shachaf> Once upon a time there was a YouTube video called «"Rehab" - 1934 Noel Coward Original»
00:37:46 <shachaf> It seems to have been deleted.
00:37:50 <shachaf> Does a copy still exist?
00:37:53 <shachaf> I think it was just audio.
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00:49:01 <shachaf> PBKDF2 isn't just "iterations of" SHA1.
00:49:13 <kmc> yes I know
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00:52:58 <elliott> is this cross-channel talk
00:53:10 <elliott> kmc and shachaf must be in some exciting places
00:53:16 <kmc> just ##crypto
00:53:36 <elliott> sounds like a depressing channel
00:53:41 <kmc> it's pretty good actually
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00:53:52 <elliott> well crypto depresses me
00:53:55 <elliott> because i hate thinking about it
00:54:11 <shachaf> the view from the left depresses me
00:54:16 <shachaf> because i don't know how to read
00:54:47 <shachaf> why do you think i'm always so offtopic........i literally never read anything anyone says
00:54:56 <Bike> ##viewfromtheleft?
00:55:04 <shachaf> @google view from the left
00:55:15 <shachaf> lambdabot..................................
00:55:38 <elliott> how do you know lambdabot didn't reply
00:55:50 <shachaf> because lambdabot isn't in this channel
00:55:57 <elliott> how do you know what i said
00:56:02 <shachaf> what who said
00:56:23 <elliott> me
00:56:35 <shachaf> I agree.
00:56:45 <kmc> lambdabot is passed out in a ditch
00:57:36 <Phantom_Hoover> shachaf, this wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have n set
00:57:50 <shachaf> What's n set?
00:58:16 <Phantom_Hoover> lets you send messages to a channel without joining it
00:58:29 <shachaf> Oh, +n
00:58:40 <shachaf> We have it off in $THAT_CHANNEL
00:58:44 <shachaf> lambdabot is offline, too
00:59:51 <elliott> what's $THAT_CHANNEL
01:00:04 <shachaf> Hmm.
01:00:11 <elliott> is it....
01:00:14 <elliott> #shachaf
01:00:26 <elliott> 02:00:18 [Users #shachaf]
01:00:26 <elliott> 02:00:18 [@elliott]
01:00:28 <elliott> a misnamed channel
01:10:11 <Phantom_Hoover> Gregor, join #shachaf so we can give you voice
01:11:01 <shachaf> stay out of my namesake channel
01:20:15 <Phantom_Hoover> it's the hird doctrine, shachaf
01:20:25 <Phantom_Hoover> all voice, all gregor, all the time, all the channels
01:21:02 <Bike> Gregor isn't voiced right now
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01:22:05 <shachaf> who did that
01:22:20 <shachaf> Oh, elliott can +v now, right.
01:23:04 <elliott> it was probably oerjan
01:23:42 <copumpkin> I want an hmac-memorable-email server
01:23:59 <copumpkin> I own copumpk.in, and want to allocate email addresses on it based on who I give them to
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01:24:26 <copumpkin> so if I sign up for amazon on it, I'd have amazon.a42be@copumpk.in or something like that
01:24:35 <copumpkin> I explicitly don't want the + scheme
01:25:08 <copumpkin> what's something good to build on to handle your own mail?
01:25:18 <copumpkin> I'd probably just end up forwarding it to gmail :)
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01:26:58 <elliott> wow, useful things. this is absolutely not my area of expertise.
01:27:19 <copumpkin> I'm sick of my email getting sold and not knowing who sold it
01:27:27 <copumpkin> I want to be able to blacklist addresses
01:27:39 <copumpkin> and the + scheme doesn't work because it's easy to drop
01:28:30 <Gregor> Ideally you'd have it encoded in some way, such that dropping it produces an invalid address and randomizing it also produces an invalid address.
01:28:38 <copumpkin> yeah, that's what I mean
01:28:46 <Gregor> Right, figured.
01:28:47 <copumpkin> the second half is basically a simple hmac-alike of the first half
01:29:02 <copumpkin> I can just take a prefix of a real hmac
01:29:35 <kmc> that's a cool idea
01:31:57 <elliott> copumpkin: do I get a fancy copumpkin email address to send to
01:32:04 <copumpkin> sure
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01:32:37 <elliott> I'm so special
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01:43:18 * Sgeo vaguely wonders if lenses have anything in common with jQuery
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01:45:39 <elliott> its a monad
01:45:47 <elliott> just ask edwardk
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01:51:51 <Sgeo> :t id -= 10
01:52:01 <Sgeo> ...no lambdabot
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02:06:45 <shachaf> Guess what I found at the store today!
02:06:57 <kmc> drugs
02:06:57 <shachaf> Hint: Jaffa Cakes
02:07:00 <kmc> !!!
02:07:08 <kmc> shachaf: if I move to SF you will tell me the places to buy jaffa cakes??
02:07:20 <shachaf> kmc: is jaffa cakes a euphemism for drugs
02:07:32 <shachaf> this place is in palo alto
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02:07:38 <kmc> maybe on Brass Eye
02:07:42 <shachaf> anyway i've never had jaffa cakes before
02:07:45 <kmc> shachaf: also how much did you pay
02:07:52 <shachaf> $1.79
02:07:54 <kmc> you can buy jaffa cakes in Cambridge but they are $$$$$
02:07:56 <shachaf> Actually I paid $1.80
02:07:57 <kmc> not like Other Cabridge
02:08:32 <copumpkin> isn't there a really expensive jaffa cake in CA now?
02:08:41 <copumpkin> oh wait, no, he's still in the UK
02:08:42 <shachaf> He's in CA now?
02:08:50 <shachaf> Ah. Yes, that's what I thought.
02:08:53 <shachaf> These are, uh, from Serbia?
02:09:54 <shachaf> > 1.80/12
02:10:11 <copumpkin> come on, you can do that in your head
02:10:23 <Bike> 3/20?
02:10:30 <elliott> i can't
02:10:51 <shachaf> copumpkin: I was subtly communicating to you how many jaffa cakes I now possess.
02:11:03 <shachaf> I have to find indirect ways of showing off.
02:11:10 <elliott> i'm worse at arithmetic than gwern
02:11:10 <Bike> skywriting
02:11:17 <copumpkin> you still could have done that by performing the calculation
02:11:20 <copumpkin> and announcing the per-unit price
02:11:29 <shachaf> But then elliott wouldn't know.
02:11:42 <shachaf> I heard that elliott is worse than arithmetic than gwern.
02:15:08 <shachaf> when is kmc moving to SF................
02:15:21 <elliott> he's waiting for me to okay the move
02:15:52 <shachaf> Hmm. Should I send my sister some citric acid powder?
02:19:12 <shachaf> kmc: These are from http://www.jaffa.rs/
02:19:54 <shachaf> http://www.jaffa.rs/jaffa-cakes-classic
02:20:07 <elliott> pretty sure you'll find they only count if McVities™ makes them
02:20:27 <shachaf> I was worried about something like that.
02:20:46 <elliott> you are granted official british permission to import them
02:21:13 <shachaf> elliott: do "cadbury flake" exist in where you are
02:21:45 <elliott> yes, of course
02:22:04 <shachaf> do you admit that Mekupelet is better
02:22:20 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mekupelet
02:23:02 <elliott> i seriously doubt that
02:23:16 <elliott> It is known for its crumbliness and thin flakes.
02:23:56 <shachaf> Only the crumbliest, flakiest chocolate, tastes like chocolate never tasted before
02:24:13 <elliott> http://marcos.kirsch.mx/2006/05/05/elite-mekupelet-vs-cadbury-flake/
02:24:59 <shachaf> It was a really tight contest and to be frank I don’t feel like scrolling up and counting how many points each one had. So the debate remains unsettled.
02:26:28 <shachaf> Wikipedia's picture -- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Mekupelet.jpg -- has less boring text
02:26:46 <shachaf> "to the last crumb", it says
02:27:00 <shachaf> Well, it says "until". I took the liberty of changing it to "to".
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02:28:05 <elliott> shachaf: you can buy and mail me some Mekupelet and I will give you my opinion on it
02:28:09 <elliott> I am willing to pay for shipping
02:28:29 <shachaf> elliott: Gladly, next time I'm in .il.
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02:29:05 <elliott> also you have to promise not to give my address to Taneb.
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02:30:13 <shachaf> Why don't you want Taneb to know your address?
02:30:38 <shachaf> Hmm, maybe I can get hold of Mekupelet here.
02:31:00 <shachaf> Probably not easy.
02:31:23 <elliott> it's epistemologically important
02:31:32 <Bike> Not ontologically?
02:31:44 <shachaf> Maybe I can get someone in .il to mail some to you...
02:31:56 <shachaf> Will you send me some Cadbury Flake?
02:32:03 <shachaf> I bet that's easier to get hold of over here.
02:32:25 <elliott> pretty sure that should just be available in stores in the US?? surely you have regular ol chocolate
02:32:29 <elliott> Bike: both.
02:32:50 <Bike> :o!!!
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02:33:12 <shachaf> elliott: Where would I find it?
02:33:16 <shachaf> I don't think I've ever seen it.
02:33:46 <shachaf> I can order it online.
02:34:02 <shachaf> $5 for 6-count with free shipping.
02:34:16 <elliott> don't they have like british stores
02:34:19 <elliott> with biscuits and stuff
02:34:21 <elliott> for brits
02:34:23 <shachaf> um
02:34:23 <elliott> I heard something about that
02:34:29 <shachaf> maybe
02:34:37 <shachaf> British Grocery - CLOSED - Mission - San Francisco, CA - Yelp
02:34:41 <shachaf> i guess there are no more brits
02:34:41 <Bike> is there a lot of demand for that in SF
02:34:54 <Bike> or wherever shachaf is i forget
02:34:59 <kmc> fish and chips burrito
02:35:45 <shachaf> elliott: OK, what's your address? I won't tell Taneb.
02:35:47 <elliott> i believe there are likely british people in san francisco
02:35:54 <shachaf> I'll see what I can Arrange.
02:36:00 <elliott> shachaf: 10 downing street, hexham
02:36:13 <shachaf> are you the king of hexham
02:36:21 <Bike> The prime minister.
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02:36:24 <elliott> priem minister
02:36:25 <elliott> yes
02:36:28 <shachaf> Bike: quiet
02:36:36 <shachaf> i was trying to be ignorant of british things
02:36:43 <pikhq_> shachaf: No, the King lives in Bucking Ham Palace.
02:37:02 <Bike> "fuck you, ham", the official motto of england
02:37:13 <Bike> except in latin probably
02:37:38 <pikhq_> VCKFAY OVYAY AMHAY
02:56:00 <shachaf> elliott: Also: There's a white chocolate Mekupelet. Is there a white chocolate Cadbury Flake?
02:56:03 <shachaf> Oh, I guess there is.
02:57:17 <Sgeo> Someone I knew in high school works for Long Island Medium now :(
02:58:42 <Bike> is that bad
03:00:44 <Sgeo> It feels weird
03:03:03 <Bike> why
03:09:55 <kmc> can you buy a 1×1×1 rubiks cube
03:10:13 <Bike> I believe they're called "cubes"
03:14:17 <shachaf> I had a 2×2×2 Rubik's cube once.
03:18:48 <kmc> i have one right here
03:18:59 <kmc> found it in a free pile
03:19:05 <kmc> the white face says "6 0\n0 6"
03:19:14 <kmc> or is it.... "9 0\n0 9"???
03:19:18 <shachaf> 08:59 <oerjan> * kmc is learning the moves for rotating the centers of a Rubik's cube <-- is that something zen-like...
03:19:31 <shachaf> The zen-like thing is rotating the center of a 2×2×2 Rubik's cube.
03:19:38 <kmc> ikr
03:50:12 <shachaf> kmc: what do you think of suburbia
03:53:12 <kmc> the... type of place?
03:53:17 <Lymia> Let's make
03:53:24 <Lymia> 9x9 Sudoku rubix cubes
03:53:30 <Lymia> 9x9x9*
03:54:02 <shachaf> fractional dimension rubik's cubes
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04:43:40 <shachaf> @vixen vs. @nixon: Who is more offensive?
04:43:40 <kappabot> good question
04:43:40 <lambdabot> Certainly in the next 50 years we shall see a woman president, perhaps sooner than you think. A woman can and should be able to do any political job that a man can do.
04:43:53 <shachaf> @vixen What do you think of monoids?
04:43:54 <kappabot> yes i do
04:43:54 <lambdabot> A public man must never forget that he loses his usefulness when he as an individual, rather than his policy, becomes the issue.
04:44:11 <shachaf> @vixen Come on, say something juicy.
04:44:11 <kappabot> you know what? if we'd known it was going to be like this we'd have picked our own goddamn cotton!
04:44:12 <lambdabot> You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it
04:44:12 <lambdabot> is because most of them are psychiatrists.
04:45:09 <kmc> apparently i'm jewish
04:45:20 <kmc> i have so much to learn
04:45:22 <Bike> congratulations, you're god's chosen stoner
04:45:28 <shachaf> @vixen Tell me more kmc facts!
04:45:28 <kappabot> Hahaha
04:45:29 <lambdabot> The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word 'crisis.' One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity. In a crisis, be aware of the danger - but recognize the opportunity.
04:46:00 <Bike> what a horrid little anecdote
04:46:20 <pikhq_> And not even slightly true.
04:46:53 <Bike> i remember hearing that "chaos" was two of the characters for "women" under a line (one roof)
04:47:01 <kmc> dude nixon *went* to china
04:47:03 <kmc> he is the expert
04:47:03 <Bike> and a chinese speaker came in and was like "what are you even talking about"
04:47:33 <Bike> nixon in china is a pretty good opera
04:48:36 <coppro> I want to see that one
04:48:47 <Bike> there's a performance on youtube
04:48:51 <Bike> way superior to the valis opera, imo
04:49:05 <coppro> also wow
04:49:05 <pikhq_> Sounds like you mixed 安 "peace" (roof, woman) and 姦 "adultery" (three women) somehow.
04:49:15 <coppro> my school's amateur theatre group actually has a director
04:49:22 <coppro> this is like six months early
04:49:37 <Bike> pikhq_: i think i looked it up and found some obscure character for "battle" or something that almost fit if you were dumb
04:50:09 <shachaf> @vixen bikes? y/n
04:50:09 <kappabot> is that really what you want to know?
04:50:10 <lambdabot> Politics would be a helluva good business if it weren't for the goddamned people.
04:50:24 <shachaf> @vixen i nitya to be honest with me
04:50:24 <lambdabot> I brought myself down. I impeached myself by resigning.
04:50:24 <kappabot> Yes
04:51:30 <kmc> adultery is *three* women eh
04:51:47 <shachaf> Bike: You should follow me on Twitter!
04:51:48 <pikhq_> Or "seduction" or "rape" or a number of things.
04:52:00 <pikhq_> The general semantics for that are kinda "anything improper in sex".
04:52:14 <Bike> why do programmers know so little about programming. it's like if one lumberjack looked at a tree's shadow and was like "shit this is gonna be hard" and another one's like "no, see, there's a cloud over it, it'll be easy"
04:52:25 <Bike> shachaf: what's twitter
04:52:40 <shachaf> Bike: it's like tumblr except kmc uses it
04:52:41 <kmc> Bike: and then they each wrote 2,000 word blog posts about how to hire and manage lumberjacks
04:53:01 <Bike> oh i like kmc
04:53:05 <Bike> how do i get in on this twittering
04:53:16 <shachaf> https://twitter.com/shachaf -- click "follow"
04:53:20 <kmc> if you want to be taken seriously as a lumberjack, you need to do some lumberjacking on your own time and upload your logs to LogHub
04:53:24 <shachaf> then follow the instructions hth
04:53:37 <shachaf> everyone likes kmc
04:53:37 <kmc> this shows that you have a passion for lumberjacking, not like those evil greedy people who just want to get paid for doing a job
04:53:53 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/8bd807033be7887e1d08fb29763ea3b6/tumblr_mmr1tg53J21qzgnzho1_500.jpg but seriously
04:54:06 <kmc> ++++
04:54:08 <shachaf> http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hyperloglog is edwardk's approach to lumberjacking
04:54:11 <shachaf> He's very efficient.
04:54:12 <Bike> shachaf: it says you haven't twittered.
04:54:17 <shachaf> Bike: It's lying?
04:55:13 <Bike> oh no
04:55:18 <kmc> my twitname is @miuaf
04:55:29 <Bike> wow look at all those dependencies
04:55:36 <Bike> i don't know if i can commit to this!
04:58:25 <Bike> "People love OSI. When they find out it's BS they're floored. Like physics students who learn that electrons aren't little whirling planets." OSI?
04:58:57 <kmc> OSI network model
04:58:59 <kmc> 7 layer dip
04:58:59 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
04:59:14 <Bike> Oh. How's it a lie? layer crossing?
04:59:32 <Bike> "What math book will tell me if I properly formalized the semantics of HTTP caching headers?" sassy
04:59:34 <kmc> well, the layers are aware of each other in various ways
04:59:40 <kmc> also mostly there aren't 7
05:00:00 <pikhq_> The OSI model was the model used in a particular network protocol, that we don't use at all.
05:00:10 <kmc> really there are only like 4 layers, but then you reimplement that over HTTP and then reimplement that over HTTP again because that's the world we live in
05:01:15 <pikhq_> Ethernet is layers 1 and 2, IP is 3, TCP is 4 through 5, your program is 6 and 7. (basically)
05:02:52 <kmc> also a lot of networks use reliable link protocols, I learned recently
05:02:58 <kmc> 3G networks
05:03:07 <kmc> and WiFi has some link layer retransmits too, although I think it's not totally reliable
05:03:55 <pikhq_> Even Ethernet uses checksums.
05:04:12 <pikhq_> Though I think that's in OSI layer 4?
05:04:17 <Bike> "The incoherency of HN’s folk sociology/philosophy/psychology really undercuts their snottiness about non-engineering educations" hey nice summary
05:04:26 <kmc> TCP assumes that packet loss is solely caused by buffers filling up, but wireless networks have lots of stochastic, non-congestive loss, from radio interference or whatever
05:04:48 <kmc> so for TCP to perform well on these networks, the link layer has to hide non-congestive loss
05:05:22 <Bike> also btw, you mentioned syrian internet going offline, but it's back up
05:05:37 <pikhq_> Yeah, it was down for ~24 hours.
05:05:40 <Bike> i think the government might have claimed a nameserver was bombed
05:05:58 <kmc> btw this directly interferes with the goal of fixing TCP flow control to deal with non-congestive loss
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05:09:40 <pikhq_> Which is really the important thing.
05:10:26 <Bike> i don't think many people are browsing twitter there nowadays anyway
05:10:34 <Bike> maybe in the west
05:11:47 <Bike> kmc: do you know what this thing is? https://camp2013.tacticaltech.org/
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05:12:10 <kmc> interesting
05:12:11 <kmc> no
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05:14:52 <shachaf> oh no did something happen
05:15:04 <Bike> what?
05:15:14 <shachaf> Never mind.
05:15:21 <shachaf> I see context now.
05:15:44 <kmc> look, sometimes I just don't want to participate in a given conversation; you don't have to make a Big Deal out of it
05:16:13 <kmc> especially in another channel with mostly a different set of people
05:16:18 <kmc> who will then demand more context
05:16:20 <Bike> uh? sorry? did i do something wrong
05:16:21 <kmc> which makes it an even Bigger Deal
05:16:24 <kmc> no but shachaf did
05:16:45 <kmc> i left another channel because I didn't want to get drawn into a conversation that was making me angry
05:16:49 <kmc> it's no biggie, I'll be back in a bit
05:16:56 <kmc> I think this is healthy behavior.....
05:16:59 <shachaf> kmc: Sorry.
05:17:02 <kmc> it's all right
05:17:10 <kmc> I am only mildly annoyed
05:17:37 <kmc> ##crypto didn't answer my question about why MAC-then-encrypt is bad :(
05:17:40 * shachaf usually thinks of leaving a channel as a Bigger Deal than leaving a conversation.
05:17:58 <kmc> well I think I know why, but I want to confirm
05:18:03 <Jafet> New Bigger Deal
05:18:21 <shachaf> But I suppose it's not necessarily a Big Deal.
05:18:39 <kmc> shachaf: the thing is that I have poor self-control; if the channel is open in irssi I will have to switch to it, and then I'll read what's been said
05:18:42 <kmc> and then i might reply
05:18:45 <kmc> see also: #haskell
05:19:07 <Jafet> Why are you even reading channels that you join, kmc
05:19:11 <Jafet> Such poor self-control
05:19:17 <shachaf> IRC is for writing, not reading.
05:19:28 <shachaf> s/IRC/irc/ s/.$//
05:19:29 <kmc> it's not just that the conversation was making me angry, but that I don't actually have the factual knowledge necessary to support the position that my emotions were pushing me toward
05:19:33 <kmc> nothing good can come of that
05:20:04 <Jafet> ##crypto usually has a low ratio of factual knowledge anyway
05:20:19 <kmc> er the channel in question is not ##crypto
05:20:27 <kmc> and I think they're pretty knowledgable
05:20:47 <kmc> what I said about ##crypto was a non-sequitor, sorry
05:20:58 <kmc> slash attempt to change topic
05:21:22 <shachaf> Is SSL really MAC-then-encrypt?
05:21:27 <kmc> believe so
05:24:00 <kmc> at least in the typical CBC / HMAC modes
05:24:10 <kmc> GCM isn't, of course
05:24:33 <shachaf> Sure.
05:24:59 <shachaf> Hmm, I ordered some chocolate to elliott for some reason.
05:25:04 <Jafet> kmc: http://www.imperialviolet.org/2013/02/04/luckythirteen.html
05:25:11 <Jafet> or something
05:26:20 <kmc> <kmc> it seems like the fundamental problem is that it exposes a decryption operation to untrusted data
05:26:31 <kmc> <kmc> which means exposing possible side channels (timing, padding oracle) as well as vulnerabilities in the decryption code
05:26:39 <kmc> <kmc> is that a fair summary?
05:26:48 <shachaf> fummary
05:28:29 <Bike> «Let's replace "brain" w/ "kidney" in all neuromyths. "We only use 10% of our kidneys." "Your left kidney is logical; right one's creative."» oh god yes
05:31:49 <kmc> Bike: i'm glad you approve of things I have retweeted :)
05:32:23 <shachaf> kmc: You can add people to "lists" in Twitter and then you see their tweets but not their retweets. :-(
05:32:28 <Bike> i am requoting your retweet
05:32:34 <Bike> i am internetting this hard
05:32:34 <shachaf> (But the lists can be private so that people don't know whom you're following.)
05:32:38 <Jafet> For how much can I sell my left brain
05:32:40 <kmc> shachaf: interesting
05:32:48 <kmc> I've also seen that you can "hide retweets" on someone's profile page
05:32:58 <shachaf> I would follow people except that I don't want my followee list to be public.
05:33:05 <kmc> Bike: instagramming your requot of my retweet
05:33:13 <kmc> gifing that and posting it to tumblr
05:33:47 <shachaf> You should register miuaf.com etc.
05:34:07 <kmc> mebbe
05:34:12 <shachaf> miu.af
05:34:17 <kmc> don't want to talk about names
05:34:31 <Bike> Jafet: just fyi there are actually surgical procedures where people get a hemisphere of their brain removed
05:34:36 <Bike> (and they don't die)
05:34:42 <shachaf> Which hemisphere doesn't die?
05:34:51 <Bike> ¬_¬
05:34:57 <shachaf> ¬_
05:35:52 <shachaf> kmc: Hm, am I irritating lately?
05:35:53 <shachaf> If so I should stop.
05:38:55 <kmc> not very much
05:39:01 <kmc> I'm in a bad mood lately, which doesn't help
05:39:11 <Bike> oh hey and the guy who said the kidney thing is a science journalist. yay, slightly less dumb science journalism
05:39:25 <kmc> i'm hella stressing out about my job search
05:41:05 <shachaf> lambdabot: @tell zzo38 http://www.gophercon.com/
05:41:05 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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06:07:24 <shachaf> Hmm, should I volunteer to run lambdabot?
06:07:36 <shachaf> Since my server seems to have more luck with it than the current one.
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06:10:18 <Bike> lambdabot should just run as a botnet
06:41:25 <shachaf> @vixen shift or rotate hth
06:41:25 <kappabot> Sex is the mysticism of materialism and the only possible religion in a materialistic society.
06:41:25 <lambdabot> This is a great day for France!
06:41:43 <oklopol> hth
06:42:54 <kmc> qoppabot
06:43:01 <kmc> @type ()
06:43:02 <kappabot> ()
06:43:05 <lambdabot> ()
06:43:05 <kmc> great fun
06:49:15 <shachaf> John Carmack ‏@ID_AA_Carmack 6 May
06:49:15 <shachaf> @tom_forsyth I thought Haskell WAS full bore functional purity, as opposed to various multi-paradigmn languages.
06:49:16 <kappabot> Unknown command, try @list
06:49:16 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
06:49:21 <shachaf> "oopse"
06:50:47 <Bike> i wish my languages had more bore.
06:51:36 <kmc> i wish my languages had more boar (meat)
06:51:59 <Jafet> Moar boar
06:52:06 <shachaf> more bore. more
06:52:11 <Bike> i don't think i've ever heard of pig meat being referred to as boar before
06:52:17 <Bike> oh, yes i have, when it's a full one
06:52:22 <Jafet> Bork
06:52:46 <kmc> or is it for wild pigs?
06:52:56 <shachaf> wigs
06:52:56 <kmc> either way, probably tasty
06:54:02 <Bike> usually a boar is a wild pig, yeah
06:54:09 <Bike> (apparently they hang out in berlin???)
06:54:13 <kmc> nice
06:54:38 <shachaf> [[boar]] redirects to [[wild boar]]
06:59:04 <fizzie> ĸbot.
06:59:44 <shachaf> κ⊥
06:59:48 <oklopol> your left kidney produces your right pee and your right kidney produces your left pee
07:01:22 <oklopol> if your kidneys become separated, err, i don't know enough about kidneys
07:01:35 <fizzie> The local zoo has a cafe/restaurant next to the "bear castle"; they sell: bacon burger (contains bacon), chicken burger (contains chicken), salmon burger (contains salmon), "bear burger" (???).
07:02:25 <fizzie> The menu just says "large hamburger patty" and "100% organic".
07:02:31 <fizzie> (For the last one.)
07:04:13 <oklopol> mm beer burger
07:06:49 <pikhq_> Beer burger sounds awesome.
07:07:02 <shachaf> beerger
07:16:09 <Bike> @quote container
07:16:09 <kappabot> heatsink says: If monads are containers, the Cont monad is a klein bottle.
07:16:09 <lambdabot> kmc says: monads are like containers, as long as you forget everything you know about the meaning of the word "container" and take it to be a totally abstract word synonymous with "monad"
07:17:14 <fizzie> Monads are like containers, in that they're mostly filled with vomit.
07:17:54 <kmc> heatsink's quote is better
07:18:16 <Bike> yeah, but i wanted the quote for someone who doesn't know or care about Cont
07:18:40 * Bike handing out "perls of kmc wisdom" like it ain't no thang
07:19:06 <Bike> Q: are monads orientable
07:19:33 <kmc> > (>>=) == (<<=)
07:19:34 <kappabot> Not in scope: `<<='
07:19:35 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `<<='
07:19:36 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant one of these:
07:19:36 <lambdabot> `<=' (imported from...
07:19:41 <kmc> > (>>=) == (=<<)
07:19:41 <kappabot> Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = a0 -> b0Occurs check...
07:19:43 <lambdabot> Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = a0 -> b0
07:19:51 <kmc> fuckers
07:19:57 <Bike> proved: monads have two sides
07:20:04 <kmc> like an onion
07:20:13 <Bike> wait, why does that involve an occurs check
07:20:17 <Bike> :t (=<<)
07:20:18 <kappabot> forall (m :: * -> *) a b. Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b
07:20:19 <lambdabot> Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b
07:20:30 <Bike> snazzy, kappa-boy
07:21:15 <Bike> hm, a and b aren't typed (kinded) like m is?
07:21:25 <kmc> it only writes the kind when it differs from *
07:21:26 <lifthrasiir> :t (>>=)
07:21:27 <kappabot> forall (m :: * -> *) a b. Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
07:21:29 <lambdabot> Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
07:21:36 <Bike> oh. that's confusing.
07:21:49 <Bike> i was imagining [a ->] or whatever for a sec.
07:22:08 <kmc> there is kind polymorphism in recent GHC
07:30:52 <fizzie> "Booccurs check", the spookier version.
07:31:18 <kmc> the skolems have escaped
07:31:38 <shachaf> you sure skoled'em
07:32:29 <fizzie> Rock'em Skolem Robots.
07:33:03 <shachaf> I have one jaffa cake left.
07:33:45 <Bike> make it count
07:35:46 <kmc> they go quickly don't they.
07:36:19 * kmc -> sleep
07:36:55 <Bike> shachaf why do things have to be other things instead of themselves? i like things in themselves. the noumenon is the goodmenon. help
07:37:15 <shachaf> Bike: tor is like an onion hth
07:37:22 <Bike> >:
07:38:32 <Bike> you're like an onion, because i cut you and then i can't stop crying.
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12:02:06 <FireFly> `run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nwelcome | sed "s/^//"' >bin/welcome
12:02:12 <HackEgo> No output.
12:02:24 <FireFly> `run chmod a+x bin/welcome
12:02:28 <HackEgo> No output.
12:02:33 <FireFly> `welcome
12:02:35 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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12:11:19 <Jafet> `run echo bin/wel* | hd
12:11:31 <HackEgo> 00000000 62 69 6e 2f 77 65 6c 63 6f 6d 65 0a |bin/welcome.| \ 0000000c
12:11:37 <Jafet> `run echo bin/*wel* | hd
12:11:39 <HackEgo> 00000000 62 69 6e 2f 72 77 65 6c 63 6f 6d 65 20 62 69 6e |bin/rwelcome bin| \ 00000010 2f 77 65 6c 63 6f 6d 65 20 62 69 6e 2f 02 77 65 |/welcome bin/.we| \ 00000020 6c 63 6f 6d 65 0a |lcome.| \ 00000026
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12:27:33 <FireFly> `run echo bin/welcome | hd
12:27:34 <HackEgo> 00000000 62 69 6e 2f 02 77 65 6c 63 6f 6d 65 0a |bin/.welcome.| \ 0000000d
12:28:02 <FireFly> `which hd
12:28:03 <HackEgo> ​/usr/bin/hd
12:28:23 <FireFly> `run ls -l /usr/bin/hd
12:28:25 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 7 Oct 14 2011 /usr/bin/hd -> hexdump
12:29:05 <myname> you are looking for cat?
12:29:48 <FireFly> Not really, no
12:30:00 <FireFly> I just wanted to confirm my guess that hd was an alias for hexdump
12:30:44 <Deewiant> To find (a young) cat: http://robotfindskitten.org/
12:38:53 <Jafet> `run diff $(which hexdump) $(which hd)
12:38:55 <HackEgo> No output.
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13:34:54 <Phantom_Hoover> note to self: watch new star trek movie
13:38:11 <boily> @tell Phantom_Hoover watch the new ST movie.
13:38:11 <kappabot> Consider it noted.
13:38:11 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
13:38:19 <Lumpio-> Is it even out on BitTorrent yet
13:38:34 <boily> uhm. may I ask who is kappabot, and where does it come from?
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15:16:25 <boily1> ~metar CYUL
15:16:25 <metasepia> CYUL 141500Z 26008KT 30SM FEW035 11/M05 A3008 RMK CU2 SLP187
15:16:32 <boily1> ah, my bot's still alive.
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15:30:26 <fizzie> ~metar EFHK
15:30:26 <metasepia> EFHK 141520Z 24012KT CAVOK 17/02 Q1009 NOSIG
15:30:55 <fizzie> It is stupid warm.
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15:37:58 <boily> `quote boily
15:38:00 <HackEgo> 927) <olsner> boily: the man eating chicken is just a normal man, it's quite common to eat chicken in some parts of the world \ 928) <elliott> ~eval 1+2 <cuttlefish> Error (127): <elliott> this is a great bot boily i love it \ 937) <boily> not only there is no God, but try to find an APL keyboard on Sunday. \ 940) <boily> ais523: I'm not sure my
15:38:04 <nooodl_> ~metar EBAW
15:38:04 <metasepia> EBAW 141520Z 19006KT 9999 -RA FEW026 BKN032 10/08 Q1006 NOSIG
15:38:19 <boily> where was that hate quote I had again...
15:38:25 <boily> `pastequotes boily
15:38:31 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14717
15:38:56 <boily> ah! 1005.
15:39:53 <Taneb> ~metar EGNT
15:39:54 <metasepia> EGNT 141520Z 22012KT 180V250 9999 FEW049 12/00 Q0996
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15:40:18 <Taneb> boily, thanks to you, I know two different codes for the nearest airport to Hexham?
15:40:41 <nooodl_> real talk: all i can read off these / care for is the temperature
15:40:48 <nooodl_> everything else just looks cool
15:41:51 <elliott> uh which one is the temperature
15:41:59 <boily> the one with the /.
15:42:04 <nooodl_> the 14th, 15:20, 220° 12 kt wind, blah blah blah, 12°C / 00°C
15:42:13 <boily> first number is temp, other is dew point.
15:42:30 <boily> M for minus, otherwise known as Canadian.
15:42:40 <elliott> what's the metar for hexham
15:43:14 <boily> EGNT, I think. that's newcastle, innit?
15:43:33 <Taneb> elliott, EGNT is closest
15:43:38 <Taneb> It's about 20 miles to the east
15:43:53 <Taneb> ~metar EGNC
15:43:54 <metasepia> EGNC 121650Z 25013KT 9999 BKN018 11/09 Q1004
15:44:01 <elliott> ~metar EGNT
15:44:02 <metasepia> EGNT 141520Z 22012KT 180V250 9999 FEW049 12/00 Q0996
15:44:12 <Taneb> That's Carlisle airport, 40 miles or so to the west
15:44:22 <elliott> so is this what google gives results from when i ask "weather in x"
15:44:36 <boily> elliott: maybe hth
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16:31:28 <zanna> hola
16:33:12 <elliott> `welcome zanna
16:33:14 <HackEgo> zanna: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
16:33:38 <zanna> hola elliott :)
16:36:56 <zanna> hablas espaol?
16:37:29 <Phantom__Hoover> cucuracha
16:38:11 <Phantom__Hoover> oh, that's not the right spelling
16:38:44 <Phantom__Hoover> i guess i should stick to annoying spanish speakers out loud
16:39:06 <zanna> perate
16:39:22 <zanna> cucaracha = rajoy
16:39:47 <zanna> molesto = tu padre
16:39:53 <zanna> lengua correcta = amor
16:40:02 <zanna> fantasma idiota
16:40:25 <Phantom__Hoover> patatas bravas
16:40:33 <zanna> tu puta madre
16:40:43 <shachaf> #esoteric.es
16:40:52 <zanna> algun entendido en esoterismo que hable espaol?
16:40:59 <Phantom__Hoover> i might not know spanish but i know enough romance roots to be offended
16:42:37 <zanna> la educacion es igual en todas partes y tu no la tienes
16:43:05 <shachaf> £££
16:44:23 <Phantom__Hoover> buenos dias
16:44:32 <Phantom__Hoover> so zanna what are your feelings on brainfuck derivatives
16:44:59 <zanna> olvdame
16:45:07 <zanna> algun entendido en esoterismo que hable espaol?
16:45:49 <Phantom__Hoover> imo spanish is banned
16:45:52 <Phantom__Hoover> too far from finnish
16:48:56 <zanna> internet est hecho para comunicarse con todo el mundo, si tanto te molesta, olvdame. mono ignorante
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16:55:52 <zanna> algun entendido en esoterismo que hable espaol?
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17:14:07 <Phantom__Hoover> zanna, are you actually from spain btw
17:14:13 <Phantom__Hoover> (this is of vital importance)
17:15:43 <boily> zanna: puedo hablar un poquito de español, pero con su actitud, no creo que voy a hacer esfuerzos por hablar con su idioma.
17:36:02 <zanna> entonces es que no eres entendido en esoterismo boily, no es necesario, gracias
17:40:31 <boily> elliott: can I apply my foot on him with a dx/dt of great magnitude?
17:40:49 <boily> (or my bot's tentacles, if it is more socially acceptable)
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17:41:41 <elliott> your bot has tentacles?
17:42:01 <boily> of course!
17:45:00 <zanna> que mal educados
17:45:05 <zanna> vaya 3
17:45:09 <zanna> q os jodan
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17:45:45 <boily> but, but... he left without my patented instant podial back massage...
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17:46:06 <boily> (cures sore joints, rheumatisms, and lycanthropy!)
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18:29:27 <Taneb> elliott, why did I think alcohol was a good idea
18:30:26 <shachaf> hey Taneb, what's your address
18:30:41 <Taneb> shachaf, 6 Hexham
18:30:44 <shachaf> i'm postmaster general of hexham
18:30:48 <shachaf> i need to know these things
18:30:53 <Taneb> And I live at number 6
18:31:00 <shachaf> 6 Downing Street?
18:31:04 <Taneb> No
18:31:06 <shachaf> Are you the prince of Hexham?
18:31:07 <Taneb> 6 Hexham
18:31:26 <Taneb> You should know, you're postmaster general
18:32:22 <shachaf> How will I send you parcels (do you reall call them parcels.......) without knowing your address?
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18:33:22 <Taneb> Send them to 6 Hexham
18:33:26 <Taneb> That's where I live
18:34:02 <shachaf> 6 Hexham, Washington, Tyne and Wear NE38 0NR?
18:34:15 <boily> washington???
18:34:26 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_Tyne_and_Wear
18:34:31 <Taneb> No
18:34:34 <Taneb> 6 Hexham
18:34:35 <Taneb> Hexham
18:34:41 <Taneb> Northumberland
18:34:43 <Taneb> NE46 6
18:34:47 <boily> shachaf: I stand corrected.
18:35:32 <shachaf> `? northumberland
18:35:34 <HackEgo> northumberland? ¯\(°_o)/¯
18:35:42 <shachaf> `? northumbria
18:35:44 <HackEgo> northumbria? ¯\(°_o)/¯
18:35:50 <shachaf> `? elliott
18:35:51 <HackEgo> elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? He is also tire. And a lystrosaur.
18:36:05 <Taneb> `learn Northumberland may be today a sparsely populated country... but SOON! THE NORTHUMBRAINS SHALL RISE!
18:36:10 <HackEgo> I knew that.
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18:38:00 <boily> northumbrains :D
18:38:13 <boily> `? lystrosaur
18:38:15 <HackEgo> lystrosaur? ¯\(°_o)/¯
18:39:41 <boily> `learn lystrosaurus is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which lived around 250 million years ago.
18:39:45 <nooodl_> `paste bin/?
18:39:46 <HackEgo> I knew that.
18:39:47 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/%3F
18:41:27 <boily> `run ln -s wisdom/lystrosaur wisdom/lystrosaurus
18:41:28 <HackEgo> ln: creating symbolic link `wisdom/lystrosaurus': File exists
18:41:33 <boily> `run ln -s wisdom/lystrosaurus wisdom/lystrosaur
18:41:41 <HackEgo> No output.
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18:50:29 <nooodl_> `run echo 'perl -pe '\''s/nooodl/"n@{[o x(5+rand 3)]}dl"/ge'\' > bin/rnooodl
18:50:33 <HackEgo> No output.
18:50:45 <nooodl_> `run echo nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl | rnooodl
18:50:47 <HackEgo> bash: /hackenv/bin/rnooodl: Permission denied
18:51:21 <nooodl_> `run echo nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl nooodl | rnooodl
18:51:23 <HackEgo> nooooooodl nooooooodl noooooodl nooooodl nooooooodl noooooodl nooooooodl
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18:51:33 <nooodl_> excellent
18:52:03 <nooodl_> `run echo 'perl -pe '\''s/nooodl/"n@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'\' > bin/rnooodl
18:52:06 <HackEgo> No output.
18:54:50 <elliott> nodl
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18:55:23 <Bike> http://conservapedia.com/Essay:_Overweight_atheists_comedy_and_satire
18:56:18 <elliott> what
18:57:23 <fizzie> "Unlike atheists, Christians have a great many songs including dance music."
18:58:11 <elliott> Kim Il Sung was a communist dictator and an obese atheist who died of a heart attack.[1] Kimchi is one of the world's most healthiest foods and very popular among Koreans.[2] Unfortunately for Kim II Song, he ate too much of it.
18:58:24 <elliott> take that atheism's
18:58:46 <elliott> ohhh these are all written by that dead guy
18:59:06 <Taneb> Kim Il Sung?
18:59:23 <elliott> no wait
18:59:29 <elliott> i guess the dead guy is a different one
18:59:39 <fizzie> "Richard Dawkins, who has been divorced two times, is thin but he is a very abrasive man who often makes women upset."
19:00:32 <shachaf> Taneb: why won't you tell me your mailing address for parcels
19:00:38 <Bike> http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/05/not-only-do-creationists-win-creation.htm
19:00:42 <fizzie> Lots and lots of repetition here.
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19:01:57 <elliott> Bike: here's a free l to fix that link for you: l
19:02:22 <Taneb> shachaf, why don't you send the parcel to elliott
19:02:26 <elliott> In 2011, only two of the Miss USA beauty pageant contestants thought evolution should be taught in schools. Evidently, most beautiful women find the "Argument from beauty" argument for the existence of God to be quite an attractive argument. See: Argument from beauty
19:02:27 <Taneb> He lives at 9 Hexham
19:02:35 <shachaf> Taneb: i already sent a parcel to elliott
19:02:47 <shachaf> 10 Downing Street, Hexham
19:02:47 <Taneb> Can you send one to elliott then he can give it to me
19:02:52 <Bike> Thx
19:02:57 <shachaf> elliott is kind of Hexham btw
19:03:17 <elliott> Taneb: would you like some Mekupelet btw
19:03:49 <shachaf> oh boy
19:03:58 <shachaf> How will you get it to him?
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19:04:15 <Taneb> elliott, I'm not sure what that is
19:04:23 <elliott> dropping it off at a location in a case with a combination lock and then revealing that location and the lock to him
19:04:31 <elliott> Taneb: it's like cadbury flake but from israel
19:04:31 <AnotherTest> Hello
19:04:46 <shachaf> Taneb: It's significant better* than Cadbury Flake.
19:04:53 <Taneb> elliott, but I have a cadbury flake supplier!
19:04:58 <shachaf> You do?
19:05:01 <Taneb> He lives in Corbridge
19:05:06 <Taneb> And is called Easty
19:05:06 <shachaf> Taneb: Can you mail me some Cadbury Flake?
19:05:12 <Taneb> shachaf, no
19:05:17 <shachaf> Why not?
19:05:54 <fizzie> Cadbury, isn't that that Egg thing?
19:05:55 <Taneb> Because I only mail things to people in non-coastal US states.
19:06:00 <Bike> I think no one person is allowed to know both elliott's and Taneb's address for epistemological reasons.
19:06:04 <Taneb> California is worryingly coastal
19:06:22 <Taneb> fizzie, they are a pretty major chocolate company in Britain, now owned by Kraft
19:06:23 <elliott> fizzie: do you mean uh cadbury creme egg
19:06:30 <fizzie> elliott: Yes.
19:06:40 <elliott> yes they make those
19:06:47 <Bike> I had one of those for break fast.
19:07:13 <shachaf> Taneb: Don't worry, I'm thoroughly landlocked.
19:07:20 <fizzie> You can't make a fast without breaking a few creme eggs.
19:07:26 <Taneb> INSUFFICIENTLY FOR MY TASTES
19:07:32 <shachaf> Some of California is coastal. But did you know CA is bigger than .uk?
19:07:36 <elliott> Bike: is the current or older dairy milk shape better
19:07:37 <elliott> important questions
19:07:47 <Bike> I don't know, it was crushed.
19:08:14 <Taneb> Frankly, I only mail things to the American Midwest
19:08:16 <Bike> shachaf: Taneb only mails things to non-coastal US states, that clearly excludes anywhere in the UK anyway.
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19:08:39 <shachaf> Taneb: elliott can pay for postage.
19:08:42 <Taneb> Such as Ohio and Nebraska
19:08:51 <Taneb> shachaf, is California in Ohio?
19:08:53 <Taneb> Huh?
19:08:54 <Taneb> Is it?
19:09:10 <shachaf> California is kentucky.
19:09:13 <elliott> dodging the important questions i see Taneb
19:09:16 <Bike> several: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Ohio
19:09:58 <Taneb> Is the Bay Area of California, though?
19:10:13 <Bike> Tch, moving the shachaffian goalposts
19:10:19 <shachaf> The Bay Area is in California, Ohio.
19:10:32 <Taneb> I only mail to state capitals
19:10:34 <fizzie> The UltraBay area of Laptop, California, Ohio.
19:10:43 <shachaf> Taneb: OK, mail it to Sacramento.
19:10:52 <shachaf> I'll arrange something.
19:10:59 <Taneb> shachaf, Sacramento isn't in the midwest
19:11:09 <shachaf> It's in midwestern California.
19:11:20 <elliott> does Taneb have me on ignore
19:11:24 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento,_Nebraska
19:11:29 <fizzie> How come there's no eurovision bot on channel, incidentally?
19:11:33 <shachaf> Taneb: You're not being very coöperative.
19:11:42 <Taneb> I'm confused
19:11:45 <elliott> there's a eurovision bot?
19:11:51 <Taneb> I am not sure what elliott is asking
19:11:56 <Taneb> I think the old shape was better
19:12:06 <Taneb> I will not mail something to shachaf
19:12:09 <fizzie> elliott: I... I just assumed.
19:12:11 <shachaf> :-(
19:12:19 <shachaf> Taneb: Can you arrange for someone else to mail it to me?
19:12:27 <fizzie> fungot: Are you watching, could you do some botty things?
19:12:27 <fungot> fizzie: will keep the rofr for new years of the issue that she is not a complete statement or any cftc interpretive center, which is the only two years of option trading knowledge summed up that file accidentally forwarded your form.
19:12:31 <Taneb> I can, but I will not
19:13:08 <shachaf> Why is Taneb cruel?
19:13:12 <elliott> fizzie: is there a link to an online eurovision stream
19:13:30 <Taneb> elliott, because I have been drinking and now I have alcohol in my system
19:13:31 <Taneb> Well
19:13:35 <Taneb> *shachaf
19:13:36 <Taneb> Aaah
19:13:41 <elliott> go to bed Taneb
19:13:54 <Taneb> elliott, no
19:13:58 <elliott> yes
19:14:00 <boily> Taneb: have a nice poutine.
19:14:05 <elliott> don't make me come over there
19:14:15 <fizzie> elliott: eurovision.tv has one, I think. And probably your local broadcast company.
19:14:16 <Taneb> elliott, I am not afraid of you
19:14:18 <shachaf> Taneb: why have you been drinking
19:14:29 <shachaf> real drunks inject alcohol
19:14:41 <Taneb> shachaf, because I felt like finally drinking this bottle of beer I got for my birthday back in November
19:14:46 <fizzie> (The one at eurovision.tv is not country-limited.)
19:15:26 <shachaf> Taneb: Ha ha, silly .ukians with their low drinking age.
19:15:31 <boily> Taneb: or better yet, a delicious galvaude (poutine with meat and green peas).
19:15:36 <shachaf> How atypical you are!
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19:17:13 <elliott> Taneb: sleep.
19:17:31 <shachaf> Taneb: Also, where in .uk should I move to?
19:17:36 <shachaf> Don't say Hexham.
19:17:41 <Taneb> Durham
19:17:48 <boily> dunwich.
19:17:48 <Taneb> It's a pretty city
19:18:31 <Taneb> If you want a job in the programming sector, London or if you're lucky Oxford or Cambridge or maybe Newcastle if you're okay working for Ubisoft
19:18:57 <elliott> ubisoft are in ncl???????????????????/
19:19:22 <Taneb> elliott, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft_Reflections
19:19:39 <elliott> shachaf: how about go to strathclyde
19:19:54 <shachaf> um ubisoft is in san francisco
19:19:58 <shachaf> hth
19:20:11 <shachaf> elliott: Are you allowed in Strathclyde without reading a certain paper?
19:20:15 <elliott> strathclyde, n. glasgow
19:20:16 <elliott> shachaf: no
19:20:24 <elliott> you also have to be vaccinated for crime
19:20:32 <elliott> anyone not immune to crime wouldn't last a night in glasgow
19:20:42 <shachaf> i live in east palo alto
19:20:45 <shachaf> is that good enough
19:20:55 <AnotherTest> aah!
19:20:59 <Taneb> `quote Glasgow
19:21:01 <HackEgo> 452) <Phantom_Hoover> Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 608) <Phantom_Hoover> No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. <Phantom_Hoover> It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. \ 772) <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer <Taneb> So, not like Glasgow at all
19:21:13 <Taneb> shachaf, it is not good enough
19:21:26 <Taneb> Parts of Glasgow have a life expectancy of 32
19:21:30 <shachaf> Is Glasgow actually that bad?
19:21:33 <Taneb> Yeah
19:21:35 <Taneb> It really is
19:21:58 <Bike> http://i.imgur.com/i5aubQD.jpg is ra el
19:22:07 <shachaf> In 2012 there were 2.7 homicides per 100,000 people in Glasgow. This compared to a 1.67 per 100,000 in London and a rate of 1.0 across the UK as a whole.
19:22:27 <shachaf> In the past, East Palo Alto experienced profound crime and poverty, especially during the 1980s and early 1990s. In 1992, it had the highest homicide rate in the country with 24,322 people, and 42 murders, equaling a rate of 172.7 homicides per 100,000 residents.[6]
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19:22:55 <shachaf> Since then the city's crime problems have subsided, and the murder rate in particular has declined to a typical urban level. In 2006, East Palo Alto experienced a comparatively low 6 murders. There were 7 murders in 2007, and only 5 in 2008. According to a 2008 report provided by Chief of Police Ron Davis, violence is on the decline. Davis reports an overall 42% reduction in homicides and a 20% reduction in overall crime between 2006–2008, ...
19:22:56 <Taneb> Glasgow's doing pretty nastily for a place where guns are illegal
19:23:01 <shachaf> ... compared to the previous three years.
19:23:06 <Taneb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Ice_Cream_Wars
19:23:18 <simpleirc1> what
19:23:30 <Bike> `welcome simpleirc1
19:23:33 <HackEgo> simpleirc1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
19:24:01 <simpleirc1> thanks, bots, I already did
19:25:04 <Taneb> I wonder if irc.dal.net knows about us
19:25:22 <simpleirc1> Please could you listen to some thought on a language?
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19:25:32 <Taneb> Fire away
19:25:37 <simpleirc1> Last minute thoughts
19:25:38 <simpleirc1> ok
19:25:49 <simpleirc1> take a string of numbers
19:25:54 <simpleirc1> and a pointer
19:26:16 <simpleirc1> the pointer can be moved brainf*ck style
19:26:35 <simpleirc1> and you can TAKE and SWAP values
19:27:07 <Taneb> What does it mean to take or swap?
19:27:32 <simpleirc1> you first TAKE a value, then move the pointer, then you swap it with the pointers
19:27:59 <simpleirc1> example 1234
19:28:05 <Taneb> So, it kind of stores the address, and when you swap it swaps the value at that address with the one at the current address?
19:28:07 <simpleirc1> take 2nd
19:28:15 <simpleirc1> move left twice
19:28:18 <simpleirc1> swap
19:28:22 <simpleirc1> 1432
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19:28:49 <simpleirc1> right
19:28:56 <simpleirc1> *
19:29:05 <simpleirc1> sorry for being retard
19:29:06 <AnotherTest> first, my simulation was O(n). Then, my simulation became O(n^2). Now, my simulation has become O(n^3).
19:29:59 <simpleirc1> oh, it still worked that way
19:30:15 <Bike> AnotherTest: just say it's polynomial and be done
19:30:50 <shachaf> you're polynomial hth
19:30:53 <shachaf> (this is not an insult)
19:35:17 <Bike> elliott: http://i.imgur.com/HQEoZMI.jpg china's crazy hth.
19:35:24 <elliott> help
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19:37:53 <AnotherTest> Bike: well it does make a difference for n = 1e9
19:39:24 <AnotherTest> What do you think is P=NP true?
19:39:49 <AnotherTest> (prove is also welcome)
19:39:53 <AnotherTest> *proof
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19:40:04 <Bike> "sure let me get some paper to write it out on"
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19:50:30 <simpleirc1> Probably P =/= NP
19:50:56 <simpleirc1> Proof: No one, just way more probable
19:51:02 <simpleirc1> which is bad
19:52:26 <Bike> how can you assign a probability to that
19:53:15 <AnotherTest> well not knowing what to proof does make things more complicated
19:53:19 <AnotherTest> *prove
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20:24:23 <boily> I like crawl's source. «The Thing That Should Not Be(tm)».
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20:29:00 <elliott> boily: the older versions are much worse
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20:33:45 <boily> elliott: I think I stumbled upon some complaints about the nightmare-inducing code quality of the olden versions.
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20:57:14 <shachaf> copumpkin: Are you around -blah by any chance?
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21:03:55 <kmc> hichaf
21:04:08 <shachaf> hellogan international airport
21:07:35 <kmc> KMCDAFIFKing Khaled Military City, SA
21:08:01 <shachaf> kmc is a king now?
21:08:09 <tswett> All right, someone come up with a function that has a local maximum at every rational number.
21:08:16 <olsner> the king of mcs
21:08:26 <tswett> A continuous one, that is. Heck, an analytic one.
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21:09:04 <boily> tswett: you wimp. non-analytic functions mean that you're a grown, virile man!
21:09:10 * boily flexes his non-existent muscles
21:09:20 <tswett> boily: they're also really easy to come up with.
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21:09:44 <tswett> Let s be some smooth function that vanishes outside of (0,1) such that s(1/2) = 1.
21:10:00 <tswett> Add a bunch of ss together and boom, there's your function.
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21:10:41 <boily> tswett: also, an FM radio signal is non-analytic in a very infuriating way.
21:11:55 <olsner> hmm, I want beer but I have no clean glasses ... is it ok if I use a tea mug, or would that seem desperate?
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21:12:12 <boily> olsner: drink from the bottle/can?
21:13:12 <olsner> I think there's some kind of rule that you "can't" drink weissbier from the bottle
21:15:24 <boily> oh. hm. well, don't you have any plasticwares? bowls? aquariums? tubs? vats? ladles? vases?
21:24:38 <nooodl_> if you "can't" drink a certain beer from the bottle i think that implicitly also means drinking it from a tea mug isn't "allowed" either
21:31:37 <boily> or, there's always the logical but unappealing solution: clean one of your glasses.
21:32:14 <olsner> that's just ridiculous
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21:32:56 <olsner> what I will do is crash early
21:33:52 <pikhq_> I've drank (American rendition of) weissbier out of a bottle.
21:33:58 <pikhq_> I just don't give a fuck. :P
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21:34:24 <olsner> oh, great, it's going to be -1 degrees tomorrow morning
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21:43:45 <shachaf> kmc: the other day i found out that i live near a combination pizza hut and taco bell
21:43:53 <shachaf> i didn't know things like that actually existed
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21:46:43 <Bike> 14:33 < pikhq_> I've drank (American rendition of) weissbier out of a bottle.
21:46:45 <Bike> oops.
21:46:53 <Bike> http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/Nedraed/Nukesites_zps5f983fae.png "Scotland: Who Cares"
21:47:39 <boily> stupid lying comments. in a function with a different name in a different file, that has different logic and arithmetic.
21:48:09 <boily> elliott: crawl's code still has a looooooong way to go to attain something vaguely sane.
21:50:31 <kmc> shachaf: nice
21:50:35 <kmc> shachaf: i've been to the one from the song
21:50:43 <kmc> i tried to meet lexande there but his bus was late
21:51:36 <shachaf> I've never been to Taco Bell.
21:51:49 <shachaf> I don't think I've been to Pizza Hut in the US. Possibly in .il.
21:51:53 <kmc> shachaf: they also have combination Taco Bell / KFC, combination KFC / Pizza Hut, and combination Pizza Hut / Taco Bell / KFC
21:52:28 <olsner> hmm, I almost went to a taco bell once, but went to something on the other side of the street that I don't remember what it was
21:52:40 <shachaf> I remember being confused about whether it was "pizza hot" (because it was hot pizza) or "pizza hat" (because the logo looks like a hat).
21:52:43 <shachaf> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d2/Pizza_Hut_logo.svg/200px-Pizza_Hut_logo.svg.png
21:52:50 <elliott> boily: what are you even doing
21:53:13 <shachaf> I probably wasn't aware of the word "hot" at the time.
21:53:28 <boily> elliott: I finally found the actual function that computes the actual real experience you get from killing yourself a monster.
21:53:58 <olsner> hut sounds like swedish for hat, so for me it's obviously pizza hat
21:53:58 <elliott> boily: stepdowns
21:54:57 <boily> elliott: stepups, stepsides, and steps that would fit in the abyss.
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22:03:49 <fizzie> Once I almost went to a Quiznos, which I understand is somewhat like Subway, but they were closed.
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22:04:58 <shachaf> Once I went to the subway and then went out an hour later on the other side of the city.
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22:09:57 <kmc> i like quiznos
22:10:09 <kmc> their sandwiches are a bit more interesting than subway's
22:10:18 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/6f5a88dd19217ca981c5ab44047f5ec1/tumblr_mmt0ebXJYk1qz9aeqo1_500.png
22:12:16 <kmc> lol
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22:12:43 <elliott> 749 buzzfeed lists that will make you feel old
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22:29:49 <Phantom__Hoover> is that spaniard still hurling abuse at me
22:33:09 <kmc> i liked the jokes that people were making after buzzfeed ran some koch brothers ad
22:33:22 <kmc> 17 Cats That Hate Obamacare
22:33:37 <kmc> 25 Arrested Development GIFs That Prove Poor People Are Lazy And Stupid
22:34:04 * shachaf looks up buzzfeed
22:34:07 <shachaf> BuzzFeed has the hottest, most social content on the web. We feature breaking buzz and the kinds of things you'd want to pass along to your friends.
22:34:07 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: what was up with that dude btw
22:35:20 <Phantom__Hoover> idk
22:35:27 <Phantom__Hoover> i'd be pretty pissed if i was from spain
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22:35:36 <Phantom__Hoover> would probably take it out on those more fortunate than myself
22:43:53 <Bike> kmc: someone i was handing out food to at the food bank today said that kids had to work for meals when she was young. mildly surreal
22:44:02 <kmc> at the food bank?
22:45:07 <Bike> it's a thing where you can get free food and stuff if you're bad off.
22:48:02 <kmc> i mean, did kids have to work at the food bank
22:48:04 <kmc> or do you just mean in general
22:48:52 <Bike> no i mean, i was at the food bank, handing food out to a woman, and she said that back in her day, kids had to work for their meals. she lived on a farm so i assume she had that in mind
22:49:10 <kmc> ah
22:49:47 <Bike> better than the woman who broke down crying because the utilities people cut her water, though
22:50:02 <kmc> :/
22:50:33 <Bike> I got the supervisor out and I think she arranged for an emergency temporary return of services, so that was a... mildly happy ending
22:50:36 <kmc> http://programmingisterrible.com/post/50421878989/come-here-and-work-on-hard-problems-except-the-ones
22:50:39 <kmc> that's good
22:52:00 <Bike> i have a vague idea that there could be a place for programming people in designing logistics plans for food banks
22:52:05 <elliott> "In California, there isn’t a conflict between being a Capitalist, and a Liberal" i like the implication that liberalism has ever anywhere been anti-capitalist
22:52:08 <Bike> or if not that, making sure the printer works consistently
22:52:21 <Bike> ("uh bike that's engineering not CS")
22:52:48 <elliott> wow equating CS and "programming people" now!!
22:52:54 <Bike> !!!!!
22:53:04 <kmc> remember that "liberal" means something totally wacky in the US
22:53:09 <Bike> kmc: reminds me of a de long post where he basically said the whole large corporation thing we've got going now is central planning that works
22:53:24 <elliott> kmc: it means something even more capitalist in the US!
22:53:27 <Bike> so now i can't stop thinking of the US as bizarro-socialist (help)
22:53:33 <kmc> Bike: interesting, although many large companies aren't so centrally planned internally
22:54:06 <Bike> it was also written in 1997 and included the line "it seems unlikely that Apple will survive its current crisis"
22:54:09 <kmc> haha
22:54:13 <kmc> well, it was unlikely
22:54:27 <elliott> apple is weird
22:54:32 <kmc> a lot of companies fuck up the central planning and go bankrupt or through some other crisis
22:54:34 <Bike> i have no idea what crisis was referred to, being too young, but it's amusing nonetheless
22:54:39 <kmc> it'd be bad if that happened to soverign states on a regular basis
22:54:45 <elliott> Bike: the crisis was "not having steve jobs"
22:55:43 <Bike> that's quite a crisis.
22:56:12 <Bike> kmc: i'll find the post again, but the idea was equating corporations to enterprises rather than countries, so like, the kamchatka iron factory board, not the soviet union.
22:56:16 <elliott> the solution was "make the iMac"
22:56:25 <kmc> ok
22:56:32 <Bike> http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2013/05/brad-delong-1997-the-corporation-as-a-command-economy.html
22:57:33 <elliott> Bike: the difference is that the US has freedom, obviously
22:57:40 <elliott> the missing ingredient!!!
22:58:08 <Bike> de long isn't a moron, thankfully
22:58:36 <elliott> Bike: ah, but i am
22:58:56 <Bike> but you're not american
22:59:01 <Bike> you have to talk about thatcher or something instead
22:59:16 <elliott> man nobody wants to talk about thatcher
23:00:03 <Bike> british conservatives don't blather on about her? (like americans do with teh reagan)
23:00:18 <elliott> it's kind of complicated
23:00:20 <elliott> but by nobody i meant me
23:00:23 <elliott> imo, ask Phantom__Hoover
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23:02:33 <Phantom__Hoover> Bike, the british working class are more receptive to being fucked over than the american one, i guess
23:02:54 <Bike> that's... impressive
23:03:05 <Phantom__Hoover> *perceptive of, that should be
23:03:12 <elliott> it was better beforehand
23:03:15 <elliott> because you were stating the impossible
23:05:32 <shachaf> > "ꙮ!"
23:05:32 <lambdabot> mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character)
23:05:33 <kappabot> "\42606!"
23:05:40 <shachaf> take thatmbdabot
23:05:42 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rajahs alright, it's official, britain isn't possible.
23:18:44 <Bike> http://i.imgur.com/tzLvybH.jpg
23:26:53 <kmc> c.c
23:28:42 <Phantom__Hoover> explosions just replace a big circle of land with a crater right
23:29:12 <kmc> that's how it works in Worms
23:29:22 <elliott> in worms things bounce too
23:29:35 <Phantom__Hoover> (what's The Point here, is it 'we should just nuke the middle east and get it over and done with'
23:29:36 <Phantom__Hoover> )
23:30:32 <Bike> no idea
23:34:05 <copumpkin> shachaf: I am now
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