< 1368230495 935771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O http://yourfaveisproblematic.tumblr.com/post/47389305425/steven-moffat < 1368230585 473413 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he's kind of a douche :/ < 1368230686 912983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUUUUUUUUUUS < 1368230698 920386 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god, that's not about the other thing. < 1368230710 793405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's also a shitty writer < 1368230714 448858 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1368230718 585507 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's also a shitty showrunner < 1368230725 155531 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's an excellent writer if kept under control < 1368230806 855038 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although eurgh i don't really like that blog < 1368230892 840968 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexists are hard to stomach, yes < 1368230917 570813 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's why i don't like it < 1368230933 914323 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :publicly shaming people as 'sexists' is... actually kind of hypocritical? < 1368230949 225040 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how... how is that hypocritical? < 1368230960 729740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone publicly acts like an asshole, you're allowed to comment on it < 1368231003 60991 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you're going to say that misogyny etc. are societally ingrained structures then you can't really go around making individual moral judgements about it < 1368231019 256365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1368231025 835625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dude < 1368231028 329964 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even make any sense < 1368231041 773930 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'well, the nazis were a social structure, no individual germans were racist' < 1368231045 932797 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not expressing this very well am i < 1368231052 720452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you are not < 1368231076 961663 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't put 'sexist' in quotes, come on, he hired a chick based on her looks and bragged about it < 1368231086 832231 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because a lot of people are jerks doesn't absolve jerks of being jerks < 1368231089 174112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people 150 years ago were racist, would you say that each individual person had moral failings, if it was common at the time < 1368231095 511951 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think is what Phantom_Hoover is trying to express < 1368231106 164 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along those lines i guess < 1368231108 619606 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would, generally < 1368231116 365327 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people were racist 150 years ago, and people 150 years ago called them out on their racism, just like they do today < 1368231119 691929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it doesn't even say 'moffat is sexist' < 1368231122 479693 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, seriously < 1368231122 735093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a list of shitty things < 1368231124 231769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just literally lists < 1368231127 81047 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerkish things < 1368231129 909343 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a jerk did < 1368231130 565857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1368231145 721756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to think of it as an individual moral judgement, but we all have a responsibility to strive to be better than the shitty things we've inherited from society < 1368231153 593101 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the problem is that when you call most people sexist they react by mentally comparing it to this mental image of, like, some slavering, wantonly misogynistic old man < 1368231159 426645 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not even calling him sexist < 1368231161 223128 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1368231164 215489 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem, yes < 1368231168 647134 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1368231172 44053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to cultivate the skill of calling people out on things in a friendly way which doesn't suggest they meant to be malicious < 1368231173 137127 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that has to do with anything though < 1368231176 973066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hope people will do the same to me < 1368231188 45091 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, this! < 1368231197 458366 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're projecting < 1368231200 781130 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but it's just a list, phantom. < 1368231212 639701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really sucks that the discourse always jumps from "hey that was bad and you shouldn't say it next time" to "YOU'RE HITLER AND YOU WANT TO KILL ALL WOMEN" < 1368231222 240031 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site is making no moral judgements at all, it's literally a list of bad things a person did, not saying anything about the person, other than that "they did these bad things" < 1368231223 284893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't think they're a bad person, and most people aren't bad people < 1368231232 181889 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're the one making the moral judgements, not the site < 1368231238 578828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. what does that have to do with anything, phantom. < 1368231271 264475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get reeeeeeeealy defensive though < 1368231281 369657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really hard to say "oh, shit, that was bad and I'm sorry" < 1368231283 786319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that's genuine < 1368231288 471835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand that at all < 1368231294 677082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if I accidentally said something that was bigoted < 1368231297 13804 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone said "oh that's bad" < 1368231303 676503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like "sorry, I didn't know, thanks for pointing it out!" < 1368231317 27499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've done this probably hundreds of times in my life because this is like... normal? < 1368231324 440844 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for some reason white dudes are super super defensive about it < 1368231325 625469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was growing up I learned that sexism and racism were the domain of a small group of Very Bad People and the solution is to ostracize them as strongly as possible < 1368231334 854092 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368231336 246887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically completely the wrong way to look at it < 1368231341 419443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that contributes to people being defensive < 1368231342 301521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to get over that view >_> < 1368231343 582326 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's because you've had time to acclimate yourself to the idea thaat it's not a personal moral judgement < 1368231361 917050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we just need new words, actually I think "problematic" is a pretty good one < 1368231368 731364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't imply intent < 1368231369 623194 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when was it ever? like I don't get it < 1368231370 940884 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom, does what you're saying have anything to do with the site now. < 1368231371 694750 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people look at it the way kmc just mentioned, and that is the way our culture definitely portrays it < 1368231379 415959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: isn't it super convenient too < 1368231385 365396 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, if i say no will you let the discussion run its course < 1368231386 482342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the majority of people who don't need to examine their own attitudes < 1368231390 922366 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1368231393 182153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well i don't wear a white hood and burn crosses, I must not be racist" < 1368231396 671550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1368231408 16764 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i saw this discussion elsewhere over the use of the word bitch < 1368231409 935731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean hey, we all just agreed that's a silly view and moffat can be bad without being a nazi < 1368231481 499683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: burning crosses is religionist hth < 1368231505 71468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks religionism is a lot more reasonable than racism, too, though burning crosses probably wouldn't accomplish much < 1368231505 573960 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy saying it was... well, problematic, was having a really hard time of trying to get across that no, he wasn't saying that you personally were telling that woman to get into the kitchen and/or get raped < 1368231509 958151 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn a star and crescent every once in a while, bigots!! < 1368231523 470690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how about just "don't use slurs"? < 1368231529 15941 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not super hard < 1368231536 967513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there was that guy in florida who wanted to burn a koran, I think he was the most successful troll of the past few years < 1368231551 621114 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a pastor, right? also didn't he actually go through with it < 1368231555 92381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1368231592 910135 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, so are you just going to be like this throughout the discussion < 1368231600 197175 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm I'm not sure what there is to discuss < 1368231610 230711 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i not surprised < 1368231629 943289 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. as far as I can tell the only other position here is "awww the poor feelings of racists, how terrible it is that they have to be called racist, that must be horrible" < 1368231645 916663 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, you've clearly ignored everything i (and kmc!) have said < 1368231653 898467 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1368231657 846251 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be like that, dude. < 1368231662 735294 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously...? < 1368231664 386862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Fiora and I agree... < 1368231670 690725 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... are you... even reading...? < 1368231671 201591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my impression anyway < 1368231672 471103 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we all, on some level, agree? < 1368231682 872627 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when I was growing up I learned that sexism and racism were the domain of a small group of Very Bad People and the solution is to ostracize them as strongly as possible < 1368231684 373314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1368231688 396246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what i was trying to say < 1368231690 178071 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are like trying to argue that we shouldn't call people racists because it ~hurts their feelings~ < 1368231692 679791 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, don't be a jerk about disagreeing, then < 1368231696 207353 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about agreeing < 1368231698 491685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typos. < 1368231712 178315 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like. well mayyyybe if they didn't want to be called racist they shouldn't be racist? < 1368231725 900920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying we need nuance in order to protect the feelings of racists! i'm saying we need it for constructive dialogue < 1368231736 711286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that was also what i was trying to say < 1368231739 190207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368231745 341454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's Internet connection disconnects for a few mintues every few minutes. < 1368231747 737749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I think we all agree and you are being hostile to Fiora for no reason? < 1368231752 809697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1368231772 193459 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imo internet is actually impossible and it's finally catching up to us < 1368231790 475260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's much of a point to dialogue, if someone wants to feel a specific way they will come up with endless reams of nonsensical logic to justify their bigotry < 1368231828 10794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone is forced to face the consequences of their actions, they're more likely to maybe consider that they could be wrong < 1368231853 401775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh, well I disagree with that < 1368231858 97195 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point here is why they consider justifying their bigotry is necessary < 1368231863 952041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think most people aren't malicious and don't want to hurt others < 1368231864 664153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or I guess I'd say "dialogue helps sometimes, but is often totally useless"?) < 1368231869 159249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't understand what is or isn't hurtful < 1368231874 223578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this has been the case with myself < 1368231879 175067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see things a lot differently now than I used to < 1368231891 841098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people are malicious, they just /don't care/ < 1368231898 831563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is in itself a form of malice < 1368231901 247662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some of each yeah < 1368231904 893551 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that that is, at least in part, because the way we all talk about and understand racism etc. is one of "if you are A Bigot you are A Bad Person and must get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness" < 1368231922 431483 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or you just say "oops, my bad, thanks for telling me" < 1368231926 421262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dividing people into "racist peron" and "non-racist person" isn't useful. < 1368231929 358174 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1368231929 566244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the dialogue is about making them care by showing that the people who have been hurt are real people with valid complaints < 1368231933 864079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there are plenty of examples of that happening all over the place < 1368231938 382407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous person says something bigoted < 1368231942 24184 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fans say "dude that was wrong" < 1368231950 21146 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and amazingly, they come out and say "oh, sorry, my fault, thanks for telling me" < 1368231953 233559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's... that's it < 1368231959 374243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1368231964 396079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for each one of those there's the "I'm sorry you were offended~~~~" crowd < 1368231965 58686 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and why don't many people do that < 1368231967 811176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: isn't that the "dialogue" that youwere saying was useless? < 1368231968 15029 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think phantom meant to talk about the common but wrong perception of what has to happen. < 1368231977 278848 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :('they're a jerk' is the answer i'm arguing is wrong) < 1368231979 68972 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry, I clarified, that dialogue is useful -sometimes- < 1368231981 234624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, this is all getting hopelessly muddled < 1368231985 310574 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of the time it gets nowhere < 1368231993 127119 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, some dialogue is useful but it's not always the answer? sorry < 1368231994 810056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really not clear < 1368231996 654403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should just stop < 1368231997 327247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort it all out amongst yourselves, I expect a full solution to racism by 9am tomorrow < 1368232004 138882 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION salutes < 1368232008 43863 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't Sgeo have a full solution to racism < 1368232013 505090 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man did he < 1368232016 210242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically just saying "you have to talk to the racists!!!" gets old after years and years of absolutelynothinghappening < 1368232019 878226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tone policing < 1368232023 103296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god the tone policing :/ < 1368232041 345424 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you're not being nice enough about telling someone they were an asshole :(" < 1368232074 268797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe there's a point to it but when someone doesn't listen to niceness more niceness is probably not going to get the message across < 1368232086 27458 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't even about niceness where are you getting that from < 1368232087 602464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it was an attempt at a solution to unconscious bias in hiring < 1368232096 85502 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wasn't that... the entirety of what you were saying < 1368232099 847410 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368232101 502274 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wasn't < 1368232107 496717 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what are you even saying O_O < 1368232120 563083 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i suggest that everybody is talking around each other and it may be pointless to continue. < 1368232125 343252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1368232126 522325 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point was in being more aware of how people react to questioning of their moral character < 1368232151 708858 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone cares more about their own ego than the feelings of others, asking them nicely is not going to work < 1368232221 91572 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, often they don't care about the feelings of others /because they're racist/, like, do you expect the people complaining about "dirty mexicans taking their jobs" to care about the feelings of said immigrants? < 1368232273 695519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, this is why I left this channel in this first place, I suppose I'll go back to that < 1368232276 907442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1368232283 292988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this time it wasn't white people going on about how it's so great to use the n-word < 1368232286 426245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1368232288 780861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1368232300 186279 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1368232302 897722 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ended badly < 1368232380 315412 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no what happened i wasnt paying attention < 1368232427 208756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really sure < 1368232430 916088 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't pleasant < 1368232611 423992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368232665 503819 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368232800 817466 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid connection. < 1368232808 536942 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said: "It started badly." clever imo < 1368232849 675810 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't dispute that < 1368232857 322074 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parts of the middle weren't quite as bad < 1368232863 14552 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones where kmc was speaking < 1368232932 872564 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm still confused about what the hell you meant by it being hypocritical to list instances of a guy being an ass, not even to his face which removes the "but what if he doesn't understand" aspect. Normally I'd let it drop, but I'm a bit angry at the moment. < 1368232960 910147 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok < 1368232999 604087 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of had some thoughts mulling around from a while ago, i think i jumped on that blog post as a starting point for airing them < 1368233031 926632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i did the same thing once. < 1368233037 19231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think what Phantom_Hoover was saying was that different from what i was saying < 1368233043 980629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I don't understand the significant differences < 1368233056 6257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368233060 980396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I wasn't reading carefully because the conversation was shitty < 1368233066 88743 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.... I'm sorry < 1368233083 630126 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry also < 1368233175 498160 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION breathes some relief < 1368233194 133103 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING IS BACK TO NORMAL so, bf derivatives are shit aren't they < 1368233209 884654 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universal conversation starter, huh < 1368233214 107943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a random chance of % that is input from the user, is a good way, to make up a random 7-bit number and then try again if greater than 99, and then to check if the generated number is less than the user's number? < 1368233459 955275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good by which criteria? < 1368233483 327387 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well it's statistically sound < 1368233570 950476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, what would you use? < 1368233622 116562 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rand(100), most likely; you're clearly operating under some unspoken constraints < 1368233654 376273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rand() generally sucks and on some platforms the low bits are suckier < 1368233665 585005 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonshittyrand(100) < 1368233679 873482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can't say for sure what I would use if I don't know what the constraints are. < 1368233681 309148 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does zzo need csprng quality for this? < 1368233687 897764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as I can't say if your choice is "a good way" < 1368233693 777004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems correct and simple < 1368233697 110648 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, doesn't matter < 1368233701 227001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if it's just a game or something you may as well use a lcg if you want < 1368233713 567675 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i mean re: rand() generally sucking < 1368233721 132502 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be exactly as random as the 7-bit number < 1368233733 221452 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1368233741 967278 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo some stupid corner cases i just thought up < 1368233753 123113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What stupid corner cases? < 1368233785 440446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is bad random bits generator then I can think it would be bad. < 1368233791 503653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well e.g. if your rng is something random under 100 with a 50% chance, and 100 with a 50% chance < 1368233895 124805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in that case it would work if everything under 100 is uniform, it works for this purpose, but isn't a good generator anyways. < 1368233934 997826 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence 'stupid' < 1368233954 371581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, so that's what you mean. < 1368234201 620821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has arrived on howstuffworks.com somehow and is marveling at stupid article titles < 1368234206 385699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fact or Fiction: Apple" < 1368234214 262516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unplug Your Laptop Forever in 7 Steps" < 1368234216 572924 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :D < 1368234227 305248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1: unplug laptop step 2: throw laptop into ocean < 1368234340 162776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there's a plug in the ocean < 1368234344 21223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw these at the store today: http://www.dyson.com/fans/fansandheaters/comparetherange.aspx < 1368234347 24875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically UFO technology < 1368234348 76187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can laptops be waterproofed < 1368234362 991544 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes dyson is basically the stephen wolfram of air-based appliances < 1368234370 347017 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he crazy? < 1368234382 422281 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just cannot come to grips with the fact that he is never going to revolutionise the field < 1368234395 591547 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used one of his hand dryers the other day, i didn't think you could make a hand dryer look like something out of 2001 but boy howdy was i wrong < 1368234413 558803 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when those fans came out < 1368234424 335116 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the news was plastered with it for some reason < 1368234436 1883 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was all like "are you SICK of all the BUFFETING from normal fans??" < 1368234443 398235 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368234479 474916 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those hand-driers are the best though < 1368234506 82459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the way they make this weird groove in your hand < 1368234552 894791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah dyson airblade is the best < 1368234578 75322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i interviewed at a company that had them in the bathrooms and it nearly sold me on them < 1368234582 660569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the joke about 'dry hands on pants' wrt air dryers? That happens to me more often with paper towels. The (normal) hand dryer in the bathroom works quite well although takes some time. < 1368234600 646874 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sgeo < 1368234603 254859 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even a joke < 1368234610 104411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :press button, receive joke < 1368234623 582350 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would help if you told us the joke < 1368234657 631268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a joke, just ... in the instructions on how to use, I've seen '3) dry hands on pants' etched on and I assumed that that was somewhat common for people to say < 1368234696 13511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everything2.com/title/How+to+use+a+hand+dryer < 1368234706 920606 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368234741 155805 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand carving things into a metal plate sounds like a lot of work for a hoary joke < 1368234777 400147 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you can do it with a paper clip < 1368234799 940332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368234800 156965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368234800 690382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368234804 840118 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you can only write straight lines! < 1368234812 362299 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wow, that's a very precise netsplit < 1368234814 201924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1368234860 436260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368234867 110505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got disconnected from freenode :'( < 1368234870 784455 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever been in like a rest stop bathroom < 1368234903 263927 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i avoid them as a rule < 1368234943 984542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate a sandwich from a rest stop bathroom and there were worms living inside it that gave me superpowers and made me super-intelligent < 1368234968 435182 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that sounds like a reference" < 1368234978 926841 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that was an episode of futurama < 1368234986 316591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, couldn't be. < 1368234986 598584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : () -> 'a ref < 1368234996 132604 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is the nickname for Phillip J Fry. < 1368235009 105084 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a joke < 1368235009 517081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@PLT_FuturamaToday_ebooks < 1368235010 168494 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1368235015 987566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo i'm that guy now < 1368235073 444247 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me < 1368235085 840714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago i found this surprisingly poetic ebooks thing < 1368235086 469963 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/nuhalujemon < 1368235103 442353 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just links now though :( < 1368235215 158501 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... is this < 1368235228 46675 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, spam < 1368235242 741880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a hundred years this will be considered the peak of 2010s art < 1368235277 221195 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368235306 882875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aristocratic nature is expressed far more in the Russian wolfhound that." < 1368235385 283983 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368235385 494625 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.22.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368235473 659321 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368235525 298318 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :Guest31700 < 1368235627 225684 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368235705 175661 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1368235712 178125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A court in Guatemala has found former military leader Efrain Rios Montt guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity." < 1368235719 445640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocked to read that the US was a major supporter of his regime < 1368235770 149690 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the us support any third-world regimes with a decent human rights record < 1368235777 784895 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368235788 724368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let you know if i think of one < 1368235793 532977 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they can't have been deliberately picking the awful ones, they're not stupid evil < 1368235804 23973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, every country had leftist guerillas < 1368235814 832629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the US supported whoever would suppress them most brutally < 1368235836 895715 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1368235840 552136 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm going to be doing a senior thesis starting about half a year from now. < 1368235848 454027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting to note that the nazis also got their start in suppressing leftist guerillas < 1368235854 239262 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368235861 165839 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's likely that I'm going to do it on some topic in theoretical computer science. < 1368235867 899655 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :traitor < 1368235873 715636 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: me? < 1368235890 288157 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368235901 517354 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, one idea I had was to do a paper on the generalized star height problem. < 1368235911 319554 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :star height? < 1368235917 631922 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_star_height_problem < 1368235922 329153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: iran under the shah was ok < 1368235928 595230 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1368235928 808109 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368235959 713365 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this one paper summing it up, but I feel like it would take me a semester just to get through that paper. < 1368235965 791910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368235967 868694 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1368236027 428505 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll probably want to figure out something easier. < 1368236051 31507 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lemme think. Is there an area of mathematics I feel like I know particularly well? No, not really. < 1368236101 81009 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368236141 934735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368236145 148296 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about addition chains? To pick a random unsolved problem i'm aware of < 1368236147 3320 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :topology < 1368236149 652609 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :topology is cool < 1368236152 506626 :heroux_!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236157 724466 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know topology well at all. < 1368236169 240582 :samebcha1e!~samuel@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236193 809695 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's your fault < 1368236212 667690 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A problem I found myself particularly interested in once was finding closed forms of linear recurrence sequences. < 1368236225 73234 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a solved problem. < 1368236238 796659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368236240 424802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Iran the post-coup regime (1953-1979) was pretty brutal I think < 1368236240 633613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK < 1368236253 544039 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the particular thing that interested me was what happens to repeated roots. < 1368236255 436323 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368236256 739287 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368236256 950958 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368236257 166390 :npnth!~npnth@pdpc/supporter/active/npnth QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368236265 774934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :laggggggg < 1368236301 431226 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236303 312250 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a repeated root, then the root shows up in the solution multiple times, and each time it shows up, it's multiplied by the next power of n. < 1368236310 108265 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that happen? < 1368236339 457018 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh, lemme think about that now. < 1368236359 117785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Gharbzadegi (Persian: غربزدگی‎) is a pejorative Persian term variously translated as "Westoxification," "West-struck-ness", "Westitis", "Euromania", or "Occidentosis".' < 1368236371 586915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an amazing word < 1368236381 727304 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: look up the white revolution < 1368236382 470789 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236382 688900 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even tell if this is me or freenode. < 1368236390 277525 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236400 24207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was lagging pretty bad < 1368236421 248641 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236432 310010 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if i'm actually here: i'm not saying the shah was great obviously but it was probably better than like guatemala. < 1368236433 645910 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a linear recurrence relation for 1, 2, 3, ...? I guess... a_n = 2a_(n-1) - a_(n-2). So the characteristic polynomial is... which way does it go... I guess it's the same either way. t^2 - 2t + 1. < 1368236451 517249 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, of course, factors as (t - 1)(t - 1). Which is a parabola with a double root at 1. < 1368236460 395548 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236463 403116 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgatygqvuuckumxn QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368236463 878600 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368236464 316561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: fair, I don't know the history well enough to draw those distinctions < 1368236467 335119 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368236468 235131 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368236519 205058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236539 100433 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what the hell, I can read everything in the logs, and send messages, but I see no one else's. < 1368236539 314232 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368236539 529333 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1368236539 529482 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1368236547 215682 :npnth!~npnth@pdpc/supporter/active/npnth JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236551 538628 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236571 751025 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not noticing anything wrong on my end. < 1368236625 446049 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I only say this because I saw an Iranian guy on a forum rant about people using AJAX as a straightforward "CIA bad!!" thing when that (unsurprisingly) glosses over the history. < 1368236625 662511 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once. < 1368236653 132807 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368236653 348659 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368236653 991192 :[mbm]!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368236663 602704 :[mbm]!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236674 444452 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell is [mbm] < 1368236680 109605 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can think of t as being the "shove the sequence over" operator. Does it matter which way... doesn't seem to. So this polynomial gives you a new operator which, when applied to your sequence, makes it all zero. < 1368236681 795404 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell is hogeyui < 1368236685 344347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I think you can pretty well argue that staging coups in someone else's country is bad regardless of whether the new guy is really terrible or just kind of terrible < 1368236695 216522 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was definitely bad, yes < 1368236695 554476 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there so many people in this channel who never talk < 1368236703 560643 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't every channel like that? < 1368236714 548439 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1368236714 763784 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did CakeProphet go? < 1368236732 156394 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, something something something prime directive < 1368236749 31613 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, he turned into kallisti and appears to have since fucked off < 1368236765 746355 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good riddance imo, i haven't forgiven him for portal chess < 1368236775 473951 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the Phillippines was uh... not a hellhole? < 1368236786 936453 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it anyway. < 1368236797 800636 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just have hilariously corrupt politics < 1368236818 15107 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only a few maoist insurgencies! < 1368236844 591226 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, t - 1 is an operator that, when applied twice, makes the thing zero... and I feel like this must have something to do with derivatives. < 1368236848 89133 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the history of singapore was quite stupid < 1368236863 608526 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yes they got sort of kicked out of malaysia < 1368236886 161657 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PM or whoever made a speech saying how sad he was that independence was happening < 1368236900 921880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh what did mao say that people found particularly insightful / novel such that they became maoists < 1368236919 943407 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he was pretty good at revolution < 1368236943 733634 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and specifically in a mostly rural country i guess < 1368236947 397572 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that i dunno < 1368236981 434303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there are ay hoxhaist insurgencies... < 1368237015 80383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching "Dalek" < 1368237024 159729 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the Colombian ones is Hoxhaist, apparnetly. < 1368237035 366633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they idiots? They can't just say "Ok, this electronic lock has no correct combination anymore" < 1368237039 67029 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the derivative of the characteristic polynomial mean, conceptually... what does the whole polynomial mean... why am I still talking even though presumably nobody's listening... < 1368237045 300888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no protections against brute forcing? < 1368237090 677181 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Dalek from like 1963 < 1368237104 495814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NuWho episode < 1368237110 536400 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1368237141 198482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf it's using sounds from Creatures Docking Station < 1368237144 589051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but yeah i think a lot of it's the tactics? like the vietcong used the maoist insurgency model and they wer ehella successful. just a guess though < 1368237244 967095 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237289 173893 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237406 935638 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237407 372874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237437 730753 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1368237468 806310 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's, like, you factor it, and you do them all except you forget one, and then do that with all of them... < 1368237511 934414 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtlpbexglwjrgzik JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237513 193802 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237519 213862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237561 539167 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237600 481922 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1368237600 691830 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237637 445253 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237726 801962 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368237776 528006 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237782 52292 :npnth!~npnth@pdpc/supporter/active/npnth QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237782 268516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237782 268655 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237782 268846 :samebcha1e!~samuel@codesurfers.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237782 485598 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237782 485759 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237782 690085 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237782 998140 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irxbpukihqamsscd QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237783 436190 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237783 651900 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368237791 312512 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237796 387965 :npnth!~npnth@pdpc/supporter/active/npnth JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237834 825682 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtlpbexglwjrgzik NICK :iamcal_ < 1368237838 308545 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, you take the sequence 1, 1, 1, ..., and you repeatedly integrate it... except that's not what you're doing at all, is it... and do you even start with that sequence in the first place... < 1368237876 853944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237920 447649 :Lumpio_!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368237933 222741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what mao said about tactics < 1368237957 239829 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238040 984438 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368238041 201257 :madb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368238041 630238 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368238047 696578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddammit even the Doctor is an idiot in this episode. < 1368238129 685036 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So occurrences of the same root stack on top of each other, and they do that multiplication thing... that multiplication thing which consists of, like, multiplying... < 1368238169 301156 :madb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238176 73686 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368238176 855361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368238177 509986 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368238178 369300 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238190 252102 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1368238206 254612 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you convolute a constant sequence with itself, you get a linear sequence. If you convolute an exponential sequence with itself... < 1368238206 794100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why are you watching doctor who for fuck's sake < 1368238261 349689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368238261 879965 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368238262 100249 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368238287 701067 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that's linear-times-exponential, sure enough. But if you convolute two different exponential sequences... better place to start, what if you convolute a constant with an exponential... < 1368238313 260760 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238346 383555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238405 188698 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an exponential sequence: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, .... Here's a constant sequence: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, .... Convolute them, and you get this sequence: 1, 3, 7, 15, 31, .... So somehow it's turned into an exponential sequence *plus* a constant sequence. < 1368238532 244366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368238543 229823 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238543 449597 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238543 449767 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238564 304718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238614 205774 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368238642 477359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see the Doctor fail hard. < 1368238659 853113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want him to make that choice, that choice to save one and risk everything... and then everything comes down < 1368238713 987910 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up at netsplits in astonishment < 1368238735 438016 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So those sequences correspond to 1/(1-2x) and 1/(1-x), and their convolution is of course 1/(1-2x)(1-x), which can also be written as 1/(1-3x+2x^2), which doesn't really look spectacular. But that partial fraction expansion... how do partial fractions work, anyway... < 1368238785 394649 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368238813 754622 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238815 221766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :srand(time(NULL)) is a terrible hack that shouldn't ever be necessary < 1368238826 236859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238827 703834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should we seed with < 1368238833 500109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytes from /dev/urandom < 1368238839 858638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368238847 210187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually Linux passes some randomness to every new process, in the ELF auxv < 1368238855 785907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wouldn't even need to make a separate syscall < 1368238858 632159 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kddeyxjlrdlsvrwl JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238872 408918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should start reading Watchmen < 1368238898 283747 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't bother seeding, or < 1368238944 382301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally the default seed would be from urandom / auxv AT_RANDOM < 1368238945 644338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1368238960 28465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have problems with the connect < 1368238960 930281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course people would still write srand(time(NULL)) for the following 20 years < 1368238962 931681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have problems with the connection < 1368238971 784879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a lot of us do < 1368239023 721010 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeding rand with time is easy to understand, though < 1368239028 730994 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't think about the attacks... < 1368239095 809831 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a screenshot, hash it, and use that as your seed! :D < 1368239100 341492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. How likely is stuff to try to content-sniff something with MIME-type application/json? < 1368239103 637508 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1368239118 637425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368239118 846914 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368239126 585684 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's netsplitty today < 1368239126 799459 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why do you ask? < 1368239154 783778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a question. < 1368239170 652611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368239170 917427 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtlpbexglwjrgzik QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368239172 50571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368239182 828044 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1368239212 270147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1368239235 308141 :iamcal__!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kddeyxjlrdlsvrwl NICK :iamcal_ < 1368239333 226305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really the sort of thing I should just google < 1368239388 561214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What idiocy is on the scale of content-sniffing? I haven't picked up the book in a while < 1368239413 437706 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content sniffing is where you look at the content to guess how to interpret it, right? < 1368239446 34953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1368239463 475275 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that still used on web content? < 1368239478 105722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because everything is ruined forever < 1368239501 454677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the thing where you can trick Internet Explorer into interpreting a page as UTF-7 < 1368239517 62531 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've heard IE does it, but others? < 1368239527 925232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ADw-script+AD4-alert(+ACI-Hello, world+ACEAIg)+ADsAPA-/script+AD4 < 1368239530 389615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: can you do a "bush hid the facts" level thing < 1368239546 423561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ....bluh so urlencoding isn't enough < 1368239562 958686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well HTML escaping is more germane < 1368239563 815373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1368239567 283974 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368239593 15976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with whitelisting allowed characters is not realizing that an innocent + or - can be bad too < 1368239596 680075 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how IE detects character encodings. Naive Bayes classifiers? < 1368239601 102334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it might be in the whitelist < 1368239605 428452 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368239614 61387 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«UTF-7 is generally not used as a native representation within applications as it is very awkward to process. Despite its size advantage over the combination of UTF-8 with either quoted-printable or base64, the Internet Mail Consortium recommends against its use.» wow really you don't say < 1368239614 781896 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone working on a cool esolang? < 1368239621 493635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is utf-7 an esolang < 1368239627 755073 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368239638 802280 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not that + and - are bad; it's that the same bytes may be decoded one way to get + and -, and another way to get bad characters. < 1368239648 587350 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1368239692 701916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :is now the focus of a legal battle between Pull My Finger and iFart | Chinese graphics card problem resolved! (Again!) | I +JmU UTF-7 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1368239697 678172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck everything < 1368239709 764947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to abuse alphanumerics in a similar way < 1368239722 590383 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it's not really related but you know what's cool? alphanumeric code < 1368239730 674767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also it's basically an IE bug that was fixed long ago I think < 1368239742 134981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1368239747 366494 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your firewall only accepts text? well too bad my text is shellcode < 1368239747 617395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it would do dumb autodetect shit even when the page had a specified encoding < 1368239761 614138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, maybe it is still vulnerable if you don't specify an encoding < 1368239841 942970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1368240004 405218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :describing the character set of a document using text-based markup is an entertaining kind of bass-ackwards thing to do < 1368240042 526838 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the sort of trick that only manages to work because most charsets have a large common subset. < 1368240061 998316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_et/ ch/rset="EBCDIC"> < 1368240071 89333 :mbm!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240088 586871 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, someone using EBCDIC in this day and age should be shot. < 1368240163 104674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to use a camera. < 1368240196 898980 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBCDIC is still used nowadays, isn't it? < 1368240235 726652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yes. Companies that make target practice for pikhq_ use it all the time. < 1368240247 67527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't very good. ASCII is better, but I would have ordered some things differently in ASCII too. < 1368240249 563867 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exclusively in the context of software from the 60s that people are afraid to touch. < 1368240258 986573 :[mbm]!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368240266 351352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about EBCDIC? < 1368240286 288497 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240287 129852 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the freaking code chart. < 1368240287 350254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly, how everything is ordered in the character set. < 1368240302 924604 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's so bad about EBCDIC?" man did i miss some good stuff < 1368240303 236262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend at Stripe says they have to interoperate with EBCDIC financial protocols < 1368240306 592569 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are multiple different versions of EBCDIC and the letters aren't contiguous. < 1368240323 477446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1368240325 143504 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1368240330 943252 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also UTF-EBCDIC. < 1368240337 881548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's even used. < 1368240382 527206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs can use different character set whatever works better, but mainly you would use ASCII. < 1368240399 765377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANyone who uses ASCII in this day and age should be shot < 1368240419 526755 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who uses text encodings in this day and age should be shot. cat pictures = the future. < 1368240428 114608 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. ASCII is just UCS-7/8. < 1368240438 50219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if forigners want to use computers they should just learn english, obviously < 1368240446 80763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by foreigners I mean 95% of the world population, of course) < 1368240451 661800 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1368240461 473474 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "foreigner" means "non-Korean", obviously. < 1368240469 887076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demo, nihon de ha minna ga romaji wo tsukaeru no < 1368240486 773041 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1368240488 95741 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oppan. < 1368240494 981197 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's a Korean word. < 1368240495 973028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq-kun, denwa < 1368240497 194777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ghost face < 1368240538 144823 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Boku wa keitai wo tsukaitakunaishi... < 1368240553 443891 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice two dollar word < 1368240579 128654 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese conjugation tends to go like that. < 1368240599 976407 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is japanese agglutinative? < 1368240615 791530 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1368240618 722282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, enough to operating computers anyways; you don't need to learn English completely!!!!! For writing in different languages there *are* different font and encodings, and which is the purpose of using such things, even if the commands is in English..... i.e. you write a program using ASCII it can still work with other characters sets too. Or, you can work in binary; then it doesn't matter the character sets either. < 1368240652 873411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software for the Famicom might use different character sets in case not all ASCII is needed, or for the purpose I did in Famicom Hangman, where it directly read the keyboard and then XOR with the row number, so the letters are all over the place in its character set. < 1368240661 262809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FE08 VARIATION SELECTOR 'GANGNAM STYLE' < 1368240673 233233 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240686 559158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't heard gangnam style. i'm so stupidly proud of this fact < 1368240702 576765 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched the demusicked video so i still recognize all the memes though < 1368240707 496251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all ricghht < 1368240716 499099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all right but i couldn't be bothered to fix typo) < 1368240723 536291 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's decent East Asian pop music. < 1368240728 556490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82LCKBdjywQ better < 1368240728 766960 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess z/OS uses EBCDIC. < 1368240748 435861 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my friends used to be super into j-rock so god knows i've heard enough such pop < 1368240750 277095 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240754 108740 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fantastic < 1368240755 294450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, if you convert the Famicom keyboard input into ASCII, this makes it very easy to handle the SHIFT and CONTROL keys without using any further lookup tables. The only lookup table needed is for the individual keys.) < 1368240777 370215 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: IIRC they use EBCDIC as a legacy charset, and new software uses UTF-16. < 1368240785 343204 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is itself stupid, but hey.) < 1368240796 622787 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240797 718086 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240798 37492 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240798 466917 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240798 467067 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240798 668055 :heroux_!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240798 874933 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240799 92264 :Guest31700!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368240816 384452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, guest31700 < 1368240818 454320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but still some software uses it such as VGM format GD3 tags are all in UTF-16 format. < 1368240820 636299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240852 550639 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240875 561745 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240886 857199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1368240899 637769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows API functions with "W" are using UTF-16 (and strings are stored in UTF-16 in VB6, although they are usually converted to single byte encoding when calling Windows API functions, but if you know to do it, you can avoid this). < 1368240928 590793 :mbm!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm NICK :[mbm] < 1368240993 258723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program that is reading ASCII input files and will output a format that uses UTF-16 then it can use UTF-8 for the parts that does need to convert to UTF-16 and ASCII for the rest, since UTF-8 is extended ASCII and is simple enough to convert to UTF-16. < 1368241031 806049 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately, there's UTF-8 and bad ideas. :) < 1368241068 576017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for serialization, anyway < 1368241070 933452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, they aren't mutually exclusive. < 1368241076 125312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1368241076 552498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes it even worse. < 1368241084 184148 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use UTF-32 everywhere and let the kernel automatically compress your data. < 1368241094 214409 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the kernel doesn't do that, it sucks. < 1368241095 275769 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-32 internally at least isn't *stupid*. < 1368241100 894795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glulx uses UTF-32. < 1368241118 490483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not great for serialization, and honestly accessing codepoints individually is a rare thing, but whatever. < 1368241133 65178 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368241146 604924 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "accessing codepoints individually"? Like, indexing into a string? < 1368241151 898831 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes. < 1368241164 270880 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't generally want to index by codepoint. < 1368241172 914783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 internally may not be that stupid either; it can be a lot faster and you may not need random codepoint indexing (because it's not that useful) < 1368241203 266541 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cept you're probably getting UTF-8 from outside. < 1368241219 583496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs might use overlong UTF-8 encodings to escape control characters and spaces and so on; VGMCK does this (in GD3 tags only; everywhere else they are invalid because they aren't ASCII), so that you can output GD3 tags with trailing spaces. < 1368241225 194715 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is a reason to use touchscreeny interfaces < 1368241229 60751 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fuck text < 1368241229 645096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go postliterate < 1368241235 266892 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it < 1368241242 509519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for storing large amounts of text with random codepoint indexing, you probably want a rope of UTF-8 or UTF-16 chunks, where each chunk knows its length and you just scan linearly < 1368241263 850209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like touchscreen; keyboard is better < 1368241264 819873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet with the right SSE voodoo you can find the nth UTF-8 codepoint really quickly < 1368241269 409171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paging Fiora < 1368241291 427703 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. You could interpret UTF-8 as a sequence of Unicode code points and re-encode it in UTF-8. < 1368241296 557683 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. Particularly if you make it so each rope cannot contain only part of a codepoint on its boundaries. < 1368241301 852051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I've *seen this happen*. < 1368241303 353164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this kind of UTF-8 -> UTF-16 that is doing it for this purpose? < 1368241344 555533 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: my. < 1368241365 648043 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It was in filenames in a .rar file no less. < 1368241377 343781 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, was the 21-bit limit on code points chosen because of UTF-8? < 1368241391 820104 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't the limit used to be lower < 1368241399 601051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. In fact, UTF-8 only possesses such a limit for the sake of the 21-bit limit. < 1368241408 362092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. 16. Hence UTF-16. < 1368241415 199296 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368241419 468301 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a coincidence that 21 bits fits snugly into 4 UTF-8 bytes. < 1368241420 195802 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1368241428 393870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://woboq.com/blog/utf-8-processing-using-simd.html < 1368241439 278281 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 got popular because "you can stick anything in it", and then they changed that assumption. < 1368241469 721372 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now UTF-16 is neither codepoint per code unit *nor* compatible with typical ASCII-assuming code. < 1368241480 114258 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it just awkward. < 1368241544 563573 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1368241558 811205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, that is why don't use UTF-16. < 1368241615 491060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 actually allow 36-bit codes, although Unicode is only up to 21-bits so it will not be a valid Unicode character if you do this. < 1368241641 645446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is still valid if you are using a much longer encoding than Unicode, which still is UTF-8 for some reason. < 1368241808 227052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that it is possible to encode the Glk special keyboard codes in UTF-8. < 1368241861 445352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368241984 965665 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the whole UTF-8-in-UTF-8 thing means that a byte 1xxxxxxx would be reencoded as 1100001x 10xxxxxx. And that would be reencoded as 11000011 1000001x 11000010 10xxxxxx... repeat forever, what do you get? < 1368242046 137250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Try! < 1368242063 156238 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what are the Haskell codes... < 1368242143 965753 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reenc ~['1',a,b,c,d,e,f,g] = ["1100001" ++ [a], "10" ++ [b,c,d,e,f,g]] in reenc undefined < 1368242147 73178 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1100001*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1368242169 303089 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reenc ~['1',a,b,c,d,e,f,g] = ["1100001" ++ [a], "10" ++ [b,c,d,e,f,g]] in fix (concatMap reenc) < 1368242174 388375 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1368242174 644977 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1368242208 137216 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reenc ~['1',a,b,c,d,e,f,g] = ["1100001" ++ [a], "10" ++ [b,c,d,e,f,g]] in concatMap reenc . reenc $ undefined < 1368242211 603496 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["11000011","1000001*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1368242219 776054 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reenc ~['1',a,b,c,d,e,f,g] = ["1100001" ++ [a], "10" ++ [b,c,d,e,f,g]] in concatMap reenc . concatMap reenc . reenc $ undefined < 1368242222 751344 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["11000011","10000011","11000010","1000001*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1368242236 588017 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1368242246 494403 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet the fix doesn't work. We need more laze... < 1368242335 737171 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, like... shouldn't it work? It appears to work for arbitrarily many iterations of concatMap reenc, so shouldn't it work for infinitely many... < 1368242350 8011 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reenc ~['1',a,b,c,d,e,f,g] = ["1100001" ++ [a], "10" ++ [b,c,d,e,f,g]] in concatMap reenc $ undefined < 1368242352 204194 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1368242356 809480 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. < 1368242395 10097 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reenc ~['1',a,b,c,d,e,f,g] = ["1100001" ++ [a], "10" ++ [b,c,d,e,f,g]]; col ~(x:xs) = x:xs in concatMap reenc . col $ undefined < 1368242397 628917 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1100001*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1368242410 680157 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let reenc ~['1',a,b,c,d,e,f,g] = ["1100001" ++ [a], "10" ++ [b,c,d,e,f,g]]; col ~(x:xs) = x:xs in fix (concatMap reenc . col) < 1368242414 392886 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["11000011","10000011","11000010","10000011","11000011","10000010","1100001... < 1368242426 614045 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1368242507 305769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xFE 0x83 0xBF 0xBF 0xBF 0xBF 0xBE is the UTF-8 encoding for the Glk left arrow key. < 1368242576 385407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Glk doesn't use UTF-8 though; but I suppose it could be used if you wanted to record the user input to a Glk program in a UTF-8 encoded file.) < 1368242611 571140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that code where every line is a call to an SSE intrinsic is really more readable than inline assembly < 1368242622 324058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it is better in some other ways < 1368242623 404745 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368242636 723504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some level of type checking, let the compiler do register allocation, more portable < 1368242657 291250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(portable between compilers for the same architecture, I mean) < 1368242689 658113 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly isn't even done by a compiler though, right? < 1368242723 841014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368242743 436659 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that seems even more compatible ^^; < 1368242757 794359 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with intrinsics the compiler has to support the specific intrinsic format and stuff < 1368242759 897279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368242775 781313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think GCC and MSVC intrinsicts are more similar than GCC and MSVC inline asm syntax < 1368242781 512491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because intel more or less dictates the former? < 1368242783 948415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1368242818 338947 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using inline asm for SIMD feels kind of silly I guess? < 1368242840 306823 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you have to runtime-detect the code anyways, so you can't actually inline it < 1368242902 505502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my Internet connection is OK but I need to go to sleep. < 1368242910 10155 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n i g h t < 1368242911 656503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost never use intrinsics though, I am super glad I don't have to touch them, they look painful to use < 1368242933 115545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also joining a discussion on whateveritism is one thing but I don't want to start one. < 1368242943 83723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368242950 974063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just write assembly in separate files then? < 1368242954 594831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will leave opinions for another day. < 1368242961 485703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 98% of the time I guess? < 1368242980 345628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I pretty much only do inline-asm when I need to inline it, and like, I really need to futz with constraints or something < 1368242995 504171 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but inline asm doesn't work with anything other than gcc and it's a super-big hassle < 1368243007 836882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1368243018 439029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty fond of gcc inline assembly :) < 1368243022 315026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe too fond < 1368243044 61356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc inline assembly syntax is awful < 1368243053 164917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's soooooooo powerful < 1368243065 160767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for %r8 - %r15 :( < 1368243077 424422 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a love too ar < 1368243107 579974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it would allow a large block of inline asm without a lot of noise. < 1368243122 880630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use semicolons instead of \n\t < 1368243127 860149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...on most architectures? < 1368243137 737820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have quotes on every line < 1368243139 252006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :";", is still a lot of overhead. < 1368243144 3404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368243148 704613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er why the comma < 1368243156 167971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no comma. < 1368243161 116933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1368243165 414327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :";" is still a lot of overhead. < 1368243176 745249 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, I do really love the constraints < 1368243180 148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I prefer to " \ n " so that the output is readable. < 1368243192 333010 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing is just like, writing asm without a macro assembler is bothersome < 1368243204 237344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the constraint language is way too write-only. < 1368243227 631452 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, gas is meant to assemble compiler output, not for human consumption. < 1368243230 953174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the constraint language is some GCC internal crap that escaped the lab, right? < 1368243244 810718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it isn't if I treat it as a proper language rather than something to look up once every few months or something. < 1368243247 423692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah that's true, macro assemblers are great < 1368243259 741843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that I can write a macro that's like, make a Linux syscall in what looks like one instruction < 1368243265 329526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's probably one of the simpler cool marcos < 1368243268 381871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros too < 1368243314 931528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :every programming language is a macro assembler hth < 1368243356 262537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC inline asm syntax is no good because of the way it decides how long the instruction is, I think. < 1368243364 171090 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nasm macros can get insanely fancy, it's really wonderful < 1368243387 789568 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%rep and %assign are truly wonderful things < 1368243398 729819 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are? < 1368243401 711366 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes even programming C I wish I had them < 1368243411 324798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%assign i 0 < 1368243412 653905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked with some macro assemblers such as MagicKit which I have made improvements to, and Frolg. < 1368243412 875681 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%rep 8 < 1368243415 674261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1368243418 41559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%assign i i+1 < 1368243419 28837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%endrep < 1368243425 925737 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat? < 1368243427 916997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368243436 170580 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can get super complicated and fancy < 1368243437 82296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes I think that can be useful to have in C as well, but with # instead of % < 1368243440 206053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an inline repeat? < 1368243444 958811 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! < 1368243458 96233 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even repeat an unspecified number of times, and break out explicitly! < 1368243470 421286 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btuuwkidbsiradzd JOIN :#esoteric < 1368243481 427419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a loop to me. Who cares if it's unrolled? < 1368243503 752911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... it's not quite, sometimes you can't quite turn things into loops or it isn't a good idea < 1368243512 169709 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1 break in macros is an odd idea though < 1368243513 723628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some kind of operational detail < 1368243516 980499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like it's not even possible because the "i" affects the instructions themselves < 1368243521 303901 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just, like, an address < 1368243532 993758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo denotational semantics hth < 1368243540 462658 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's %assign do, pick a register? < 1368243545 35035 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sets a variable, < 1368243548 996409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the preprocessor < 1368243556 46054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite %define, because it actually evaluates the expression < 1368243563 894782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so %assign i i+1 means i=i+1; < 1368243567 376020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you want to write { [0]=5, [1]=6, [2]=7, [3]=8 } and so on, in C. < 1368243581 971202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah! you can also use it to construct lookup tables programmatically < 1368243585 471260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having to do them at runtime < 1368243597 446556 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ummmm let me see if I can think of a good example < 1368243604 238481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just closed my browser and behind it I had five mtr windows running. < 1368243615 880365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C (at least in GCC) you can even do that and then override later in the same table like { [0]=5, [0]=8 } < 1368243624 172151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, you have a vector of 4 ints, and on each iteration, you need to (among other things) splat an int across a register < 1368243629 527176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it useful to make such tables. < 1368243631 238685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo on the first iteration you'dd o < 1368243646 33027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pshufd tmpreg, myreg, 00000000b < 1368243654 357139 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on the second you'd do pshufd tmpreg, myreg, 01010101b < 1368243666 285146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh, ufd < 1368243687 64470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that was inside of a %rep'd statement, you could do like... pshufd tmpreg, myreg, i*01010101b! < 1368243713 94928 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on the first iteration you'd splat myreg[0], then myreg[1], and stuff < 1368243728 325436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry this is probably super confusingly explained < 1368243745 234880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand it, though. < 1368243774 747402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically unrolling things is pretty much required when it affects the actual instructions, I guess? < 1368244057 369505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I would like to have in C is to make long macros that can include preprocessor directives and so on. < 1368244073 220446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch ST:VOY Threshold < 1368244123 363579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. And therefore one shouldn't care about the actual instructions. < 1368244133 449925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is lost < 1368244139 764673 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've thought a bit about how you could have lisp-style macrology in C, but i don't think it plays well with C's typing (at all) < 1368244146 314439 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION okay won't argue don't do that like earlier *poof* < 1368244159 365027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1368244169 307240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how so < 1368244193 458062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....that episode won an Emmy < 1368244203 101602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else I would like to have is a programming language that uses TeX as its preprocessor. < 1368244203 877431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what epis < 1368244213 71166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: of course < 1368244241 164338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek Voyager "Threshold" < 1368244258 82201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: OK, I'm confused, but never mind. < 1368244283 610199 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, with lisp macros you have forms, which are arbitrary code that you don't have to care about the form of. could be a symbol or a function call or whatever. so in C you'd need to have like a "form" type, presumably a tagged union. but to pass all the arguments to the macro function in the same way they need to be able to decompose those arguments, so you have to care about the tags and stuff < 1368244314 270940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah using C to manipulate tree shaped data is annoying < 1368244325 63335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should pair your extension with a pattern-matching extension to C < 1368244336 821866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think could be pretty simple sugar < 1368244337 98246 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so schemeish macros? < 1368244343 817379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah fuck that noise < 1368244355 827124 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, pattern matching like haskell < 1368244373 92750 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the best syntax for dealing with unions yeah < 1368244374 87259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just extend 'case' to have a nice compact way to switch on field x of a struct and also project in field y which is a union < 1368244377 90955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something yeah < 1368244382 329651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um, I'm just trying not to argue that's all < 1368244410 992014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1368244459 947202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind arguments although I don't think I was arguing about anything. < 1368244462 610007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was joking but sometimes I can't tell. < 1368244462 830022 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly i don't think i'm good enough at C to do any such thing well, though. < 1368244475 408339 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, exactly I don't understand ._. < 1368244485 67472 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talking about things I don't understand is bad < 1368244493 458683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's leave it be. < 1368244493 679331 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. i don't know what C programmers would actually want, etc < 1368244517 533419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can have a metadiscussion about how talking about things you don't understand is good, because otherwise how will you ever understand anything? < 1368244536 62308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you don't understand that either then we'd be stuck. < 1368244540 751968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never metadiscussion I didn't like < 1368244590 316290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in canada this morning < 1368244592 748400 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART #esoteric :"I think my brain is going to explode" < 1368244597 896310 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is probably better than anything i could come up with anyway (I don't know shit about rust) < 1368244603 840424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1368244618 734047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I applied to work at Mozilla on their new browser written in Rust! < 1368244624 693278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they didn't get back to me yet < 1368244637 38869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds exciting! < 1368244646 632628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in SF? < 1368244679 446213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say you can work from any office or remotely < 1368244683 36938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would work from the SF office < 1368244691 56321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla is a strange company < 1368244707 30705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of their revenue comes from Google paying for Google to be the default search engine in Firefox < 1368244720 418130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is enough to pay for a dozen really nice worldwide offices and hundreds of full time employees < 1368244768 616871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like the modern version of a very illegal 19th century arrangement < 1368244864 416238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1368244875 723007 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1368244880 382167 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds hella shady is what i'm saying < 1368244883 172448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368244901 24991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see anything wrong with it ethically, but it seems like shaky ground for mozilla < 1368244904 342933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the "0" in linear logic what you cannot make and the "top" what you cannot use? < 1368244926 377443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if google decides to stop paying and to hire the best Mozilla engineers to work on Chrome? < 1368244938 430031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when I was a kid I thought Google was the default because everyone loved Google < 1368244940 259321 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems kind of monopolistic? < 1368244985 319911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can change it, or even offer your own version which changes that and other things, if you want to. < 1368245000 99688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is not *that* important. < 1368245002 79327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: otoh they are explicitly supporting a competitor in the browser space < 1368245016 820049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard the theory that it's like Microsoft investing in Apple way back when < 1368245022 745754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google used to not be in the browser marketplace < 1368245023 94866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping a competitor alive to keep the SEC off your back < 1368245037 567184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also say that having more browser competition is good for the Web and that helps Google < 1368245040 509691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think is fair < 1368245051 450015 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not helping the idea that this isn't shady by saying it's to throw off government agents < 1368245057 677217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368245059 862171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok point < 1368245097 22314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should start the web from scratch, design it properly. < 1368245111 958346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP has to go clearly < 1368245114 100469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make the "paranoid web browser" which is using the "paranoid rendering engine" and "paranoid DOM" and stuff, which causes it to ignore a lot of things and use overrides for everything. < 1368245114 321772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm imagining a show like The X-Files except it's Mulder and Scully investigating abuse of monopoly power < 1368245114 694051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. let's all use gopher < 1368245115 759433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people want to use the old web, they flip a switch in their browser... or perhaps different browser. < 1368245123 773059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Gopher is still TCP. < 1368245132 239828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's an alt.ernative! < 1368245142 308552 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that'd be depressing because they'd hardly ever succeed < 1368245144 535848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least gopher is better than all of the junk in webpages and stuff. < 1368245160 93296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they hardly ever succeed on the real show too < 1368245166 259141 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so, what to use instead of http < 1368245171 41412 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (i've never watched the x files) < 1368245174 321465 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm a bad nerd :() < 1368245197 727423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen ~half of it < 1368245201 851916 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen http://www.shaenon.com/monsteroftheweek/ though. < 1368245203 407193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML and the stuff used with it is worse than HTTP. < 1368245212 978674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we want to make SOP fundamental or use different new policy < 1368245225 42236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=374 < 1368245226 89448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-sniffing is horrible, it should be banned in new protocol < 1368245241 122600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh i saw that episode < 1368245241 556365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cookies thrown out and redesigned < 1368245259 565414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait this is... all of them < 1368245263 321530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all of the first 2 seasons < 1368245271 793680 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ongoing < 1368245276 126871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOP (or some alternative) made consistent and not even the equivalent of a cross-domain GET should occur without permission from the other server < 1368245277 393752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher is fine for a lot of things. Some things aren't, but that is why we have IRC, Telnet, SMTP, SSH, etc < 1368245284 68412 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that dog is so bad. < 1368245293 614747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this is great thanks for sharing < 1368245299 422953 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1368245324 661868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.shaenon.com/monsteroftheweek/?p=277 would explain a lot really < 1368245336 298065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although SOP might not be that big a deal without cookies? < 1368245408 329459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man Eugene Tooms < 1368245408 594096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a persistent session, you can use SSH; it is how the internet intended persistent sessions to work. < 1368245550 349696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :handed down on stone tablets < 1368245593 849480 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh why are all of the comicker's sites so badly... bad < 1368245610 165843 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read skin horse because it goes into a redirect loop, what is even happening < 1368245668 242375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, the comic is about a redirect loop < 1368245795 962515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If people want to use the old web, they flip a switch in their browser..." ... Wouldn't you just change the URI scheme or something like that???? < 1368245828 817361 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chromium's connection attempt to www.shaenon.com was rejected" and what is this bullshit < 1368245837 937800 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i not good enough for you, tv show based comics?? < 1368245857 152973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you apply to other things < 1368245888 557781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. < 1368245892 908383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368245913 671185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had my first tech phone interview with matasano today < 1368245916 214560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went well I think < 1368245945 787393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent Fiora some /msgs to ask about what happened and she /quit. :-( < 1368245974 201188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. No metametadiscussions either, I guess. < 1368245979 378001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earlier she got in an argument here and she was (is) feeling really anxious. < 1368245983 392281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs also have documentation in HTML format, which means the file: URI scheme will be used in my browser. < 1368246088 237613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose /msging someone who /parts when they get uncomfortable is like trapping them. < 1368246095 606866 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit. < 1368246101 750577 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«According to Wikipedia, Entertainment Weekly called this episode “offbeat and cute.” This episode opens with an onscreen rape» < 1368246272 188250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're really avoiding touchy subjects here aren't we < 1368246307 723690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe soon I will be a Security Consultant < 1368246313 652197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be nice < 1368246316 617832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new puzzles every few weeks < 1368246507 931808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4lK41SX-Q why don't i watch wrestling? < 1368250725 585065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog and feels as if he were in the seventh heaven of typography together with Hermann Zapf, the most famous artist of the... < 1368251329 472318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Message in a Bottle" is one of the good Voy episodes, right? < 1368251331 967200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it before < 1368251356 374126 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good song too < 1368251419 93018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if the linear logic "0" means you cannot make it and "top" means you cannot use it? < 1368251434 200276 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fraid not. < 1368252547 887835 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1368252751 338376 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/The_Garden_of_Earthly_Delights_by_Bosch_High_Resolution.jpg < 1368252806 423983 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bosch is the best < 1368252863 392896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bosch manifesto: bosch is the best, get high all the time < 1368252990 938447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_ManTree_Bosch.jpg just chillin < 1368255016 168670 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368255020 881495 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-48-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368255165 562255 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1368255487 503793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368259324 716222 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: deeeee < 1368261038 176963 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1368261330 137250 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1368262290 587065 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1368262923 101549 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368263035 542617 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368263751 65994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368263832 254883 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1368263895 697406 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1368264277 526275 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1368265942 28351 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1368267043 401812 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368268572 993443 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368268650 916232 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1368269177 543775 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-60.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368270301 896202 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368271545 890273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-28-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368271557 694780 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-48-98.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1368274115 921316 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1368274116 107496 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368274898 386697 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-47-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368274933 451388 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-28-210.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368275754 238097 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“A lumberjack is injured when cutting a tree which has been spiked by environmentalists. He is infected by genetically modified tree sap, causing him to turn into a zombie.” < 1368275766 4029 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good movie < 1368275810 923489 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1368276371 309046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :He then gets killed by a hobo with a shotgun < 1368276987 34396 :yonkie!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368278276 331447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1368279404 161593 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-47-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368279406 953477 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-209.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368280005 700734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-209.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1368280011 763484 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368280518 701495 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1368281026 517814 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368281921 795898 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368282060 636612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368282369 687711 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1368282612 861496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program received signal SIGPWR, Power fail/restart. < 1368282613 86480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Switching to Thread 0x7ffff4a65700 (LWP 16660)] < 1368282614 412246 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what < 1368282629 732088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is utterly bogus. < 1368282666 173397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess gdb won't work on this program if it uses SIGPWR for some sort of internal signalling < 1368283568 896003 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368283603 187973 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1368283603 430273 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368283620 216843 :madb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368283652 170521 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368283704 270740 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368283704 534820 :madb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368283907 317911 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368283907 530244 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368284085 309176 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1368284631 426665 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368285701 120120 :madb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368285787 261415 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286053 379128 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368286053 595655 :madb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368286053 810149 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368286055 659358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368286055 958262 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286056 171319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286162 288995 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 NICK :myname < 1368286198 154449 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368286231 643568 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368286297 671132 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286306 819079 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286415 842099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368286416 941795 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1368286529 365623 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's awake? < 1368286585 922164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody < 1368286654 752463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :except oerjan? < 1368286658 305802 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are ya'll from? < 1368286685 361880 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qw3rtyP0iuy: saudi arabia < 1368286692 82443 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually the states < 1368286698 308538 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is it? < 1368286710 231367 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :United States of Saudi Arabia < 1368286745 846467 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qw3rtyP0iuy: I'm from the States < 1368286751 766173 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I merely live in Saudi Arabia < 1368286786 806952 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286792 146333 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in China, from the States myself. < 1368286805 744765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286858 204062 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this an active room? < 1368286873 104365 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368286911 268894 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1368286913 7883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Qw3rtyP0iuy < 1368286918 432653 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qw3rtyP0iuy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1368286973 364727 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a ban for mentioning VB? < 1368287000 746716 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like visual basic? < 1368287005 898679 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qw3rtyP0iuy, I hope not, VB was my first programming language < 1368287023 889864 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1368287024 105589 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it as I speak. < 1368287030 577687 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing if I can put out a game in 19 more hours. < 1368287041 283105 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I haven't used this in about 3 years < 1368287045 949778 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big a game? < 1368287076 379077 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :card game--> computer < 1368287076 594418 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master of Rules < 1368287104 421320 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the game interesting, you must have exactly 5 players... so I'm going to write this and the AI < 1368287104 636559 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIght now I only have the shuffling, dealing, and playing cards down. < 1368287105 947968 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit slow as I've forgotten all syntax for every language I've used... so using VB < 1368287207 336581 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any particular reason you came here? < 1368287233 872889 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic is kinda esoteric, but this isn't really the channel for it as far as I know) < 1368287246 746755 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to wager it's not esoteric at all < 1368287282 433540 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I figured out the basics of brainfuck when I was a kid because of its intriguing name < 1368287308 524447 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I saw Chinese graphics card problem in the information... which I have. < 1368287321 563722 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to giggle at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Perl < 1368287346 479750 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERL was my first < 1368287404 981937 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, I glanced over MIT's esoteric programming language competitions more than twice < 1368287714 241065 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368287791 866661 :Qw3rtyP0iuy!~Administr@58.249.27.197 PART :#esoteric < 1368288008 421366 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368288081 276302 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1368288532 381093 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368288801 198331 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368288831 805904 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1368288845 461074 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368288873 745513 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : On an unrelated note, I believe that in base 30, 1/11 has a ten-digit long repeating part <-- is that 11 in base 10 or 30? < 1368288899 571355 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368288899 877200 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1368288946 470487 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think 1/11_b has two-digit long repeating part in all bases b < 1368288992 8975 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/11 < 1368288994 331920 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.090909090909091e-2 < 1368288996 356000 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be awesome < 1368289036 439786 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%2F11+in+base+30 < 1368289062 911440 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY. < 1368289083 284887 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, 11 base 10 < 1368289088 276046 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not 1/(30^-1 * 30^-2) < 1368289099 559938 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1368289103 194288 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wolfram alpha agrees with you on 11_10 < 1368289106 230258 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-//g < 1368289142 798594 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368289212 635206 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because 11_b * b = 100_{b^2}-1 and 1/(b-1) always has one-digit repetition in base b, so 1/11_b has one-digit in base b^2 < 1368289255 613499 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wait < 1368289275 945637 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 11_b * (b-1) = 100_{b^2}-1 < 1368289303 617732 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1368289307 963970 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 11_b * (b-1) = 10_{b^2}-1 < 1368289329 558069 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1368289345 801211 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course 1 / (11 in base 9) in base 10 has no recurring digits at all < 1368289365 49171 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, that was oerjan's point < 1368289369 884690 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.100000... < 1368289376 744285 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wasn't < 1368289380 393976 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now consider a non-positional or non-standard positional numeral system... < 1368289384 340522 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 NICK :lifthrasiir < 1368289385 875632 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it has two < 1368289396 808735 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.099999... < 1368289431 400058 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, okay, it has a form with no recurring digits at all. < 1368289446 854781 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1368289580 343774 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the number of recurring digits of 1/x in base b, when x relatively prime to b, is the order of b in the multiplicative group Z_x hth < 1368289582 553930 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368289598 885351 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1368289626 693146 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not actually called Z_x, that's the whole ring. i forget. < 1368289641 733891 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplicative group (mod x), anyway. < 1368289679 775504 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has order the euler totient of x iirc < 1368289702 889672 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368289703 654488 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368289715 978665 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1368289739 32786 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_totient_function < 1368289742 559398 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368289742 772140 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368289841 862285 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi(11) = 10 so whatever the number of repetitions of 1/11 is in any base will divide 10. < 1368289881 552849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't phi(n) = n-1 for all primes? < 1368289902 941150 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1368289920 903004 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only for primes, i guess. < 1368290023 729056 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day before yesterday I found myself discussing who would win in a fight: Wolverine or Scott Pilgrim < 1368290058 73525 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something i happily cannot discuss. < 1368290071 904198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they even in the same universe? < 1368290076 98493 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, god no < 1368290089 884147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they wouldn't fight < 1368290095 436469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1368290103 626095 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't stop Superman and Goku < 1368290136 39454 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt olsner shows naivety about crossovers < 1368290224 29366 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scouring the internet, it seems to be "they wouldn't fight because they both love Canada < 1368290225 873879 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1368290227 204334 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothesis: any sufficiently long-lasting speculative fiction franchise will eventually develop a multiverse that theoretically embraces all others. < 1368290249 488794 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about Stainless Steel Rat < 1368290259 525287 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's that thing about how almost every tv series is in the same universe? < 1368290263 335827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the theory that each crossover "proves" that the crossed-over universes are the same < 1368290274 40437 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i've heard the name, and that's _all_ i remember about it. < 1368290337 395555 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :westphall, olsner < 1368290355 84087 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368290368 93918 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seen < 1368290379 396850 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ah, yes, that's it < 1368290382 336759 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio-/visual- confusion again < 1368290404 900981 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's a series of stories about a conman in the distant future < 1368290416 299799 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1368290422 377743 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-1.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368290423 519558 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368290474 426209 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-bdsjuuosmtruppon JOIN :#esoteric < 1368290474 747657 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-bdsjuuosmtruppon QUIT :Changing host < 1368290474 957115 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1368290556 245802 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1368290648 578408 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368290661 384143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and since someone appeared in a westphall universe series playing themselves, the real world is also contained in someone's dream in a tv series < 1368290758 177877 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-87-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that universe include the Transformers comics and M*A*S*H < 1368290950 44355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1368290967 383945 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: Pizza! < 1368291211 596733 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368291232 145144 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368291311 237187 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368291550 865158 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368291586 50699 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1368291586 261733 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368291705 611762 :mbm!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm JOIN :#esoteric < 1368291803 649435 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368291814 706285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1368291944 719651 :mbm!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm PART :#esoteric < 1368292021 8708 :[mbm]!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1368292058 816221 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368292059 441358 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btuuwkidbsiradzd QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368292059 441498 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368292059 994721 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368292076 207594 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368292288 578675 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368292480 662466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368292523 145756 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itvlelrhfmkkktoq JOIN :#esoteric < 1368292546 569528 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368292928 657485 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368293138 776194 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368293415 412717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to blame all my computer problems on Chrome < 1368293423 482230 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1368293447 977546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes mouse stops working, and I switch to console and killall chrome a few times < 1368293458 185938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch back, Chrome's dead and mouse can click things again < 1368293477 438600 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall pulseaudio < 1368293685 138287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1368293712 963855 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall chrome < 1368293713 910595 :yonkie_!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368293724 402823 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall wall street < 1368293852 182089 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall uninstall < 1368293864 180739 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no < 1368293867 740847 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall install uninstall < 1368294088 291386 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368294110 206781 :yonkie!~yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368294111 844061 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1368294142 323869 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1368294159 404363 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368294204 728278 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368294364 791722 :npnth!~npnth@pdpc/supporter/active/npnth QUIT :Quit: 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:#esoteric < 1368296382 79928 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368296442 822164 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1368296470 146014 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368296855 560441 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368296864 803536 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368296897 612633 :samebcha1e!~samuel@codesurfers.net NICK :samebchase < 1368297046 875205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: lolol < 1368297057 531389 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297062 484745 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297062 669504 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297062 669659 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itvlelrhfmkkktoq JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297062 669738 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297087 35915 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know that anarchism is a real package in debian ands ubuntu < 1368297107 905376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368297120 425522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rages at the fact that the Haskell joke is just factually wrong, what a surprise < 1368297139 23008 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1368297163 210961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell isn't classless or stateless < 1368297189 801407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is sort of like Scheme and C++ in that people usually mean "the tiny subset I learned in school" < 1368297190 967529 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297198 894412 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1368297225 920736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like a dozen different mutable variable types in the std lib < 1368297236 703210 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297236 703355 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297236 703434 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297236 703511 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297236 703588 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kddeyxjlrdlsvrwl JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297236 703665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297236 703740 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297236 703814 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297240 224295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1368297240 425068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the thing where laziness itself is based on mutating state < 1368297333 583780 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must netsurf compile process start from begining every time I start it again after installing some dependency part of it neede? < 1368297338 533285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: eh < 1368297352 964449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a detail of the operational implementation of laziness in terms of an imperative language < 1368297371 39684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really fundamental to the nature of sharing as an operational detail, let alone haskell's denotational semantics < 1368297378 781596 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297378 979882 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297378 980023 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297378 980102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297378 980182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1368297394 360678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368297455 558735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh I think it's fundamental to the nature of sharing as an operational guarantee < 1368297472 194014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you force evaluation it will be fast or slow depending on whether that value was already forced before < 1368297475 211290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that constitutes state < 1368297493 848430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it doesn't have to be implemented by overwriting thunks in place with forwarding pointers or w/e < 1368297495 207073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharing is really just about mumble mumble graphs < 1368297505 577457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the state of the graph changes as you perform pure evaluations < 1368297532 998275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, also the kind of mutation involved is mutating a thing to its equal < 1368297541 46118 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah but who cares about performance < 1368297541 249899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a far cry from what is generally considered mutable state < 1368297551 947617 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote abstract.research < 1368297552 245257 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet says: Haskell is an abstract research language used only in academia, education, banking, stock trading, circuit design, embedded systems, cryptography, operating systems research, bioinformatic < 1368297552 455390 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s, phone apps, and web services. < 1368297552 894484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in you can formulate it in terms that don't admit any sort of observable "change" < 1368297587 616843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368297612 722718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably take "phone apps" off the list < 1368297788 258405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blub combines the theoretical beauty of Haskell with practical, real-world features like scalable concurrent IO, a C function interface, good Unicode support, and a large base of libraries < 1368297854 446538 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368297854 645326 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368297854 645466 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itvlelrhfmkkktoq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368297854 868469 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368297855 75840 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368297921 461955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't settle for uncompromising purity — use mutable state when you really need it. We even let you mutate multiple variables in an atomic transaction. Put that in Haskell's pipe and smoke it! < 1368297971 560997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fyi two spaces after a dot is sin < 1368297978 981650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god will strike me down < 1368298010 350378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should actually go through with this idea next Apr 1 < 1368298042 847061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a super twitter bootstrappy website for this language < 1368298119 485000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that reads like a thing that's advertising Haskell < 1368298137 439534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you sgeo < 1368298140 313810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have sworn I've seen something like "Imagine Haskell but with X, Y, Z practical things... it's Haskell" < 1368298147 88754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg < 1368298155 214973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a joke I have made before < 1368298163 242246 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1368298164 954095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone else did it too, it's p. obvious < 1368298165 758420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote trace < 1368298165 985616 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chromatic says: My productivity increased when Autrijus told me about Haskell's trace function. He called it a refreshing desert in the oasis of referential transparency. < 1368298188 37653 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298188 241894 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298188 242036 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itvlelrhfmkkktoq JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298188 242114 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298225 140751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1368298243 474142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let yolo = unsafePerformIO < 1368298247 6147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo jokes are still fresh right < 1368298257 135459 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1368298283 411245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I could have been remembering you telling it previously < 1368298286 281345 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think we've unnetplitted :D < 1368298287 336435 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the people who said yolo have moved on to saying something else now < 1368298287 907675 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1368298288 113733 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298312 73348 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Guest12327 < 1368298328 832315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've all died of drug overdoses < 1368298406 773890 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1368298422 242871 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298469 488874 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1368298505 873161 :Guest12327!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1368298506 83047 :Guest12327!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298515 861577 :Guest12327!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn NICK :SirCmpwn < 1368298564 802597 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298741 114800 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1368298741 315174 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298748 432227 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who TF is it that hates freenode so much? < 1368298773 581935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1368298787 224874 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368298990 538178 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74 < 1368299028 516735 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368299073 257312 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368299242 99149 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1368299552 559073 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368299560 258144 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368299659 971862 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1368299732 325411 :tswett_!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett < 1368300020 120999 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368300027 942006 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368300375 984693 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368300451 948255 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368300532 10108 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368300575 40838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An undersized window could be leveraged to mislead the user as to the origin of a document simply by carefully truncating the hostname" < 1368300615 39109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you would still need to know what font is used and other settings though < 1368300628 318827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581313 < 1368300665 333285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resizing also has to be enabled. < 1368300686 339587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, there are settings for the address bar, whether or not the protocol is displayed, for example. < 1368300764 509126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads http://argante.sourceforge.net/concept.html < 1368300980 412915 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368300988 260296 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368301469 694483 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368301476 330648 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368301944 224720 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368301970 542206 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368302244 117162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561177 < 1368302349 267080 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, why is it even there? < 1368302360 843784 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they really have 500000 tickets < 1368302384 831609 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/the countdown/ < 1368302452 74009 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368302459 781833 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368302731 93431 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368302763 117086 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language is getting somewhere. ^_^ Thanks for all the support. < 1368302895 134399 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368302968 811274 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368303027 309748 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162020 < 1368303096 969231 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1368303132 554268 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368303172 839213 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here use netsurf on framebuffer? < 1368303277 111184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the answer to that already < 1368303291 394515 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368303295 120230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the answer 'yes, nortti' < 1368303325 251219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the less smartass version of that answer < 1368303326 233031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1368303409 50304 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone at least tried? < 1368303456 523525 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368303480 524648 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368303727 348715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a better dumpster computer < 1368303768 16524 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on my t20, I'm on t61p < 1368303779 787304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1368303808 817420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using a T61 as my main machine 6 months ago < 1368303819 681446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with x and xmonad and chrome < 1368303821 884664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use netsurf on framebuffer < 1368303841 921369 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1368303846 942664 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1368303960 528848 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368303996 259389 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368304092 826924 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad I don't the t61p < 1368304203 767733 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, CORS has moved on from 2011 afaict < 1368304226 221716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368304233 228565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they hove CORS Lite now < 1368304254 185201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORS doesn't send cookie data by default, which apparently was a Microsoft objection < 1368304258 853030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is cors < 1368304260 730305 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368304265 642112 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368304266 171863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cross-origin request sharing < 1368304310 723733 :Kawata!~NightKawa@pool-71-126-14-101.bflony.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368304458 294071 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368304502 253639 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368304526 133460 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368304581 923132 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368304821 404989 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1368304958 576196 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368304958 781650 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itvlelrhfmkkktoq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1368305025 62826 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368305056 809875 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-174-146.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368305167 609099 :itsy!~john_metc@43.22.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368305760 345918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368305788 931113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(users of Internet Explorer 8 will have unexpected trouble visiting http://www.google.com/search?q=