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00:08:56 <Sgeo> "Contrary to popular belief, there are people out there using Smalltalk on the web. Two of them."
00:09:31 <Sgeo> http://www.nextthing.org/archives/2005/08/07/fun-with-http-headers
00:11:17 <Sgeo> Apparently Opera supported Cookies 2 in 2005. Wonder if it still does.
00:11:33 <Bike> is cookies 2 a lack of cookies
00:12:52 <Sgeo> 'Why anyone would think to themselves, “Gee, if a massively scalable caching service running on hundreds of geographically distributed computers can’t handle the load of people wanting to look at my site, I’ll just have them bounce people back at me”, I don’t know. Masochism perhaps?'
00:13:18 <Bike> haha, dublin core
00:13:38 <Phantom_Hoover> is that a kind of music
00:15:00 <Bike> also wow someone using purl
00:17:20 <Sgeo> I should start using it again or something
00:20:24 <Sgeo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8711584/x-pad-avoid-browser-bug-header-added-by-apache
00:22:14 <Bike> how very silly.
00:23:18 <Sgeo> I wonder if any of these easter egg headers end up being a security risk
00:23:45 <Sgeo> Imagine if some server was outputting ... something interesting, just because it could, and then that interesting thing ends up in a spec
00:24:39 <Sgeo> As in, maybe in some language, Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * is a really hilarious joke, so someone back in 2003 or so put it in their response
00:25:07 <kmc> dumber things have happened but i can't think of one offhand
00:25:50 <Sgeo> Well, that picqued my interest
00:26:12 <elliott> picarded my interest
00:26:23 <Sgeo> I don't know how to spell picqued
00:26:24 <Bike> none of the headers on the page seem particularly vulnerable to that
00:26:36 <Sgeo> picqed? piqued?
00:26:36 <Bike> unless we standardize limericks at some point?
00:26:49 <Bike> @wn picqued
00:26:50 <lambdabot> No match for "picqued".
00:26:57 <Bike> i give up
00:26:59 <Sgeo> I think it's piqued. No red squigglies.
00:27:05 <Sgeo> squigglies gets the squigglies.
00:27:09 <Bike> @wn piqued
00:27:10 <lambdabot> No match for "piqued".
00:27:20 <Bike> YOU BASTARDS JUST HAD TO DRAW ME BACK IN
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00:29:08 <elliott> picante my interest
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00:30:32 <Sgeo> peaked?
00:30:38 <Sgeo> That's certainly a real word, at least.
00:31:24 <Bike> it means something else
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00:32:08 <Bike> i guess it's 'piqued'
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00:32:10 <Bike> fuck you wn
00:32:33 <elliott> peeked my interest
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00:38:34 <Sgeo> Are there encryption schemes in which keys can be of a certain length or any arbitrary length larger?
00:39:02 <Sgeo> (Hmm, how to exclude one-time pads from being a valid answer...)
00:39:07 <Sgeo> *practical
00:39:41 <Bike> are you implying one time pads aren't practical or
00:41:29 <kmc> you can periodically rotate keys
00:41:39 <Sgeo> A better and less insulting way to exclude OTPs, for the reason I want to exclude them: can be of a certain length or arbitrary length larger, where the only reason to increase key size is to increase security and not as a result of neccessity due to larger amounts of material to encrypt or decrypt
00:42:36 <kmc> there are a lot of systems where an actual encryption key is derived from an arbitrary-length passphrase or such
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00:44:16 <Sgeo> Ok.
00:44:35 <Sgeo> Just wanted to be sure that there wasn't any value in the scheme that some guy at tech club came up with
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00:45:46 <Sgeo> (Consisting of randomizing the order that a bunch of schemes are done in)
00:45:59 <Sgeo> And amount, and which schemes are used
00:46:36 <nooodl> hey i did something pretty cool https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/r909.zip
00:46:49 <JesseH> ;__;
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00:46:58 <nooodl> it's a semi-faithful recreation of revolution 909 (the daft punk song)
00:47:03 <nooodl> in under 60 kB
00:47:03 <JesseH> I hate downloading zips but I'de love to take a look
00:47:16 <nooodl> (zipped)
00:47:42 <nooodl> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/r909.mod unzipped it's just over 100 kB which isn't as cool
00:47:43 <Bike> what format?
00:47:45 <Bike> oh
00:47:49 <JesseH> nooodl, sounds sweet so far
00:48:05 <nooodl> it loops btw
00:48:14 <JesseH> sexy
00:48:20 <JesseH> @.@
00:48:20 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: . @
00:48:22 <JesseH> that's it
00:48:36 <JesseH> I'll make a language that is designed to make music.
00:48:54 <Sgeo> mod?
00:48:57 <JesseH> ?
00:49:20 <nooodl> amiga module file
00:49:32 <nooodl> something like vlc should be able to play it
00:49:42 <Sgeo> machine code : asm :: .mod : JesseH's language?
00:49:44 <Lymia> Make a brainfuck variant.
00:49:51 <Lymia> That outputs music.
00:49:56 <JesseH> nah
00:49:57 <JesseH> :P
00:50:02 <Lymia> By directly interpreting how the tape pointer moves
00:50:06 <Sgeo> I meant, maybe JesseH should just use .mod as the language
00:50:12 <Lymia> With no other interface
00:50:15 <kmc> http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html
00:50:15 <JesseH> Sgeo, right um..maybe
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00:51:18 <JesseH> sweet
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00:52:55 <nooodl> wow what, vlc totally screws it up
00:52:56 <Bike> music's always been based on modular arithmetic, really
00:53:04 <nooodl> guess you'll need modplug or something
00:53:45 <nooodl> modplay??
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01:08:39 <Sgeo> 'In 2008, an iPhone app called Pull My Finger was one of the most popular apps in Apple's App Store, purchased over 50,000 times in less than one week. It allowed users to pull a virtual finger, activating the sound. The phrase is now the focus of a legal battle between Pull My Finger and iFart over the use of the phrase.'
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01:13:03 <Sgeo> What's the difference between those two topics?
01:13:28 <Bike> code.org
01:13:33 <Sgeo> Oh
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02:05:15 <Sgeo> Huh. Watchmen is DC?
02:05:22 <Sgeo> I thought it was just... its own universe or something
02:05:32 <Sgeo> (Still haven't started reading, but received it today)
02:08:39 <Bike> It's /published/ by DC, that doesn't mean it's part of the universe with superman and all.
02:21:54 <Sgeo> Hmm, ok.
02:23:07 <Bike> it's their "Vertigo" imprint, that they use for weird stuff. iirc.
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02:52:22 <pikhq_> The "Vertigo" imprint is for stuff that is for "more mature audiences".
02:52:31 <pikhq_> Regardless of whether or not it's in the DC verse.
02:52:41 <pikhq_> For instance, Sandman is in the DC verse, but it's Vertigo.
02:57:47 <kmc> writing tip: Every paragraph should be a run-on sentence (i.e. a sentence (like this one) with many (i.e. more than 20) words) and if you (meaning the author) need to define any terms (i.e. words which the reader (meaning someone reading your document) may not know) then just tack them on (as a parenthetical (i.e. in parentheses)) at the first use of the term (also, if you have any unrelated further thoughts, tack them onto the end of
02:59:15 <Bike> it's cool how chomsky says language is recursive and then i can't handle more than one level of parenthetical if it's not at the end
03:00:23 <kmc> i hear that german is a stack based language where all the verbs go at the end
03:00:25 <kmc> or something
03:00:53 <mnoqy> i've heard that too
03:01:06 * kmc is currently trying to read a document written in this style and stab stab stab stab stab
03:01:13 <augur> Bike: the thing is, right
03:01:36 <Bike> left?
03:01:39 <augur> that the REAL problem with embedding is when its subject relatives
03:01:49 <augur> when the subject has a relative clause
03:01:53 <augur> in which the subject has a relative clause
03:01:57 <augur> so like
03:02:29 <augur> (the man that (the boy that ate pizza) met) is tall
03:02:37 <Bike> center embedding is fun as hell yes
03:02:56 <augur> one level deeper, bad
03:02:56 <kmc> maybe the person who wrote this document is a lot smarter than me (likely) and can handle more recursion
03:03:02 <augur> but its because the embedding is in the subject
03:03:13 <augur> put that embedding anywhere else and its fine, or at least MUCH better
03:03:31 <augur> and interestingly, you get significantly better at these bad ones when you're around people who use them
03:03:36 <augur> its a processing issue somehow.
03:03:41 <Bike> the man that the boy that the girl at the store saw met is tall
03:03:46 <augur> also very interestingly, japanese MUST use center embedding
03:03:50 <augur> because its a headfinal language
03:03:54 <augur> and they have no problems with it at all
03:04:25 <augur> notice also that we have a lot of leftward WH dependencies there
03:04:38 <augur> saw looks left for its object "the boy"
03:04:47 <augur> met looks left for its object "the man"
03:04:58 <augur> there are a LOT of leftward dependencies as a whole too
03:05:14 <augur> all of the verb ones are leftward here
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03:05:19 <augur> which is really rare for english
03:05:30 <augur> so theres probably some kind of parsing optimization thats happened
03:05:40 <pikhq_> But utterly mundane in Japanese...
03:05:44 <augur> yep
03:05:59 <augur> center embedding in japanese is par for the course
03:06:27 <augur> i mean, despite SVO and OVS word order options, you still get lots of center embedding.
03:07:00 <pikhq_> And when you use SOV... Yeah.
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03:08:01 <augur> S (((O V) O V) O) V
03:08:07 <augur> or something like that
03:08:11 <augur> find for japanese.
03:08:32 <pikhq_> Yeah, that's kinda how the parsing goes.
03:09:01 <lifthrasiir> augur: I think Japaneses use the same strategy as left-recursive parsers?
03:09:08 <pikhq_> ((O V) S) ((O V) O) V too.
03:09:19 <augur> noone knows how parsing works in natural language :P
03:09:30 <lifthrasiir> right, but just a hypothesis.
03:09:32 <Fiora> S (((O V) O V) O) V is german too, right?
03:10:04 <lifthrasiir> FYI Korean is similar (Japanese and Korean shares the common grammatical structure)
03:10:13 <Fiora> or I guess maybe also S V (((O V) O V) O) V
03:10:21 <Bike> clearly i shouldn't pretend to know shit about linguistics in the future
03:10:25 <pikhq_> Yeah, Korean and Japanese have stunningly similar grammar from what I've seen.
03:10:56 <pikhq_> Probably the best argument for them being (distantly) related.
03:11:02 <augur> german is maybe SOV
03:11:10 <augur> except in main clauses where its XV...
03:11:14 <lifthrasiir> augur: is it a combination of SOV and SVO?
03:11:15 <augur> verb second with some focal thing first
03:11:24 <lifthrasiir> isn't it*
03:11:28 <augur> and except for subclauses which are after the verb/noun
03:11:56 <augur> lifthrasiir: not quite
03:12:03 <lifthrasiir> hmm
03:12:04 <augur> its a V2 language, which means verb second
03:12:09 <augur> the "topic" comes first
03:12:11 <augur> then everything else
03:12:17 <augur> but everything else looks SOV
03:12:19 <lifthrasiir> interesting
03:12:34 <augur> really tho its probably SVO underlyingly
03:12:56 <lifthrasiir> I've learned German a bit (and almost completely forgotten it now) and I think I've seen both structures
03:13:20 <kmc> http://i.imgur.com/4J7Il0m.jpg stupid future
03:14:07 <Bike> that's not as good as http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Koverto-kun-krakozjabroj.png and you know it
03:14:36 <Fiora> mojibake~~
03:14:52 <kmc> they're both good ok
03:14:54 <kmc> in different ways
03:14:56 <Bike> granted
03:15:00 <kmc> > iterate show ""
03:15:05 <lambdabot> mueval: ExitFailure 1
03:15:06 <lambdabot> mueval: Prelude.undefined
03:15:11 <kmc> lambdabot you're the worst
03:15:12 <Sgeo> :t iterate
03:15:17 <lambdabot> (a -> a) -> a -> [a]
03:15:20 <Sgeo> > take 20 $ iterate show ""
03:15:26 <lambdabot> mueval: ExitFailure 1
03:15:26 <lambdabot> mueval: Prelude.undefined
03:15:27 <augur> kmc: wow
03:15:27 <kmc> lambdabot needs to go to rehab or something
03:15:35 <augur> Sgeo: oi! this isnt #haskell
03:15:57 <Sgeo> ) <'Nor is it #jsoftware'
03:15:57 <jconn> Sgeo: +--------------------+
03:15:57 <jconn> Sgeo: |Nor is it #jsoftware|
03:15:57 <jconn> Sgeo: +--------------------+
03:16:06 <Bike> i'm confused by this idea that this isn't #haskell
03:16:13 <kmc> #j-erkoffs
03:16:15 <augur> this is #esoteric
03:16:20 <Bike> what
03:16:23 <Bike> oh shit you're right
03:16:24 <augur> its where we walk about implementing haskell in brainfuck
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03:16:43 <augur> lol
03:16:53 <kmc> > iterate (concatMap (let f '&' = "&amp;"; f x = [x] in f)) "fish & chips"
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03:16:56 <lambdabot> ["fish & chips","fish &amp; chips","fish &amp;amp; chips","fish &amp;amp;am...
03:17:00 <Bike> i need to come up with better jokes.
03:17:03 <augur> Bike: youll fit in here nicely :)
03:19:18 <mnoqy> …
03:24:40 <Bike> :t show
03:24:44 <lambdabot> Show a => a -> String
03:24:57 <Bike> > iterate show ""
03:24:59 <lambdabot> ["","\"\"","\"\\\"\\\"\"","\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\"\"","\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\...
03:25:11 <Bike> why didn't that... but... buh.
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03:27:42 <Bike> did i do something wrong gregor
03:28:02 <Gregor> Bike: If the topic looks unchanged to you, your Unicode support sucks :)
03:28:52 <Bike> v_v
03:29:22 <pikhq_> I'm not seeing the difference.
03:29:29 <pikhq_> Care to identify it?
03:30:11 <pikhq_> I'm wondering if it's Unicode breakage I know about, or Unicode breakage I don't know about. :)
03:33:29 <Sgeo> http://www.byond.com/members/Sgeo?command=view_post&post=135032&first_unread=1
03:33:46 <Gregor> pikhq_: ‮I put a Unicode right-to-left override at the beginning.
03:34:00 <pikhq_> Ah, the Unicode breakage I know about then.
03:34:07 <Sgeo> I... don't know if I rediscovered that concept, that you still need to know something about a 'new type', or if it's this thread that made me realize
03:34:42 <Bike> Sgeo: "better implemented using eval()" lolololol
03:40:36 <Sgeo> I should relearn DM
03:42:59 <kmc> dark magic?
03:43:05 <Sgeo> Really a lot of what it provides could be done by libraries... well, and a client that knows how to talk to the library
03:43:16 <Sgeo> http://www.byond.com/developer/articles/whitepaper
03:43:27 <Bike> i have a copy of some grimoire somewhere, it's amazingly boring
03:43:30 <Sgeo> Don't need an entire new programming language for this
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03:43:39 <Bike> you're supposed to start out by meditating for hours straight
03:43:41 <Bike> snore!!
04:03:13 <kmc> "An integer, in the context of computing, is a variable capable of representing a real number with no fractional part."
04:03:16 * kmc sobs
04:08:13 <kmc> oh it's copumpkin's birthday?
04:08:21 <kmc> happy birthday copumpkin
04:11:44 <elliott> hopumpkin
04:12:01 <kmc> bropumpkins before hopumpkins
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04:15:36 <copumpkin> thanks! :)
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04:17:48 <Sgeo> Just saw the word rebus
04:18:03 <Sgeo> Reminds me of the only other place I have seen that word -- a computer game for teaching math
04:18:15 <Sgeo> I shoudl look for that came
04:18:16 <Sgeo> game
04:19:38 <kmc> rebuses before jebuses
05:01:25 <Sgeo> 'Second Life, Cloud Party and Virtual Paradise allow you to reserve a unique name for free. Additionally, none of them suffer from the lowercase “L” and “I” impersonation issue that has been present since 1995.'
05:01:49 <Bike> snort
05:03:09 <Sgeo> In a comment on FB
05:03:10 <Sgeo> 'Telegrams have been going missing for over a decade. Chrispeg has never been able to fix it. I've lost thousands of telegrams due to AW's bugs. AWI is aware of these issues but never does anything about it.'
06:31:33 <FreeFull> kmc: An integer is an integer
06:32:29 <FreeFull> ?faq Are integers integers?
06:32:29 <lambdabot> The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that.
06:32:38 <elliott> what
06:33:03 <Bike> that wasn't very helpful, lambdabot
06:33:06 <mnoqy> :☺)
06:33:45 <FreeFull> Integers are integers in Haskell
06:34:14 <FreeFull> Proof there are infinitely many Integers:
06:34:20 <FreeFull> > maxBound :: Integer
06:34:23 <lambdabot> No instance for (GHC.Enum.Bounded GHC.Integer.Type.Integer)
06:34:24 <lambdabot> arising from...
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06:34:41 <FreeFull> Gotta go
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06:44:06 <kmc> welp
06:44:09 <kmc> that clears it all up
06:44:52 <Bike> INTEGERS
06:45:59 <oklopol> ##jesseh is how this channel should look
06:46:37 <oklopol> we have lost our way
06:46:42 <Bike> who
06:46:45 <Bike> is jesse
06:47:09 <oklopol> JesseH made an esolang called derplang. his channel ##jesseh is full of discussion about it.
06:47:33 <oklopol> (the language is a simplified basic except you write everything on one line)
06:47:59 <Bike> how full
06:47:59 <oklopol> well depending on what xth part of the program means
06:48:04 <oklopol> maybe it's harder
06:48:06 <oklopol> err
06:48:12 <oklopol> 16 people
06:48:22 <oklopol> anyway gotta go
06:58:48 <elliott> i will never understand channels named after people
07:00:29 <ion> That’s why you’re not on #elliott and the rest of us are.
07:01:37 <Vorpal> [17118.996066] pool[12036]: segfault at 7f4003a062d0 ip 00007f4002cf507d sp 00007f40002fdc60 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[7f4002c7e000+180000] <-- isn't it fun with segfaults you have zero clue what they refer to
07:02:26 <kmc> go digging
07:02:32 <ion> gigging
07:02:38 <Vorpal> can't find a binary named "pool" anywhere on my system
07:02:54 <Vorpal> not in /usr, /lib, /bin or /sbin anyway
07:03:50 <elliott> 08:03:45 [Users #elliott]
07:03:50 <elliott> 08:03:45 [@elliott]
07:04:03 <Bike> the official elliott channel. all elliott, all the time.
07:04:13 <Vorpal> Hm, processes can modify what shows up in ps aux I know, but is the name listed in dmesg the modified value?
07:04:21 <Vorpal> If so I probably have no chance of finding it
07:04:39 <elliott> Bike: literally my life
07:06:39 <kmc> yeah, i don't know
07:06:57 <kmc> also the ip value is probably from a random offset
07:07:01 <Vorpal> It is at times like this when a locate database would be helpful, I don't have one, since usually the indexing is more annoying and I very rarely use the feature...
07:08:14 <elliott> has kmc bought me a computer yet
07:08:52 <kmc> no why would i
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07:09:33 <elliott> pretty sure that's your new job!
07:10:11 <kmc> does it pay
07:10:49 <elliott> yes
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07:10:55 <elliott> i'll pay you however much the computer costs
07:11:12 <kmc> what if i tell you the computer costs £10,000
07:11:26 <Vorpal> kmc, cheap for an industrial computer!
07:11:31 <elliott> i'd be upset you exploited me like that
07:11:36 <elliott> i know you're a better person than that
07:11:41 <kmc> aw thanks
07:11:58 <Vorpal> elliott, why not buy one yourself?
07:12:05 <elliott> Vorpal: i'd have to pick one
07:12:16 <elliott> and i'm officially retired from thinking about computers ever again
07:12:16 <Vorpal> elliott, laptop?
07:12:20 <elliott> i don't know
07:12:40 <Vorpal> elliott, well then I would suggest kmc gets you a rack mounted server.
07:12:43 <elliott> my criteria are: it should be good; it should annoy me less than this one does; i should be able to run ghc on it
07:13:04 <Vorpal> elliott, should it be portable or not?
07:13:26 <elliott> i don't know
07:13:57 <elliott> small computers are certainly less fussy and it's not inconceivable i'd want to take it places
07:14:00 <elliott> on the other hand, screen real estate
07:14:01 <Vorpal> kmc, okay, get a rack mounted server and put dual GTX Titans in it!
07:14:39 <Fiora> um, I guess a related question, I've noticed after ~8 months my laptop has started to accumulate small bits of screen damage probably from me carting it to work every single day and it not being really designed for that
07:14:46 <Vorpal> kmc, also a SAN solution with SSDs in RAID10
07:14:52 <Fiora> is there some way to avoid that happening when carting it around, or is it pretty much going to happen?
07:14:59 <kmc> i saw a sony laptop at the store that had SSDs in RAID0
07:15:03 <Fiora> and like. are there after-market screen replacements or does one just have to replace the laptop <_>
07:15:27 <kmc> usually the manufacturer can do a replacement, or you can buy a new panel on ebay and do it yourself
07:15:27 <Vorpal> Fiora, the screen area itself? Or the back of it?
07:15:37 <Vorpal> kmc, SSDs in RAID0?
07:15:41 <kmc> yep
07:15:42 <Vorpal> wow
07:15:50 <Vorpal> I would never ever use RAID0 for anything
07:15:54 <Vorpal> too paranoid for that
07:15:55 <kmc> for super speed
07:15:59 <Fiora> Vorpal: um.... well like, it looks like the damage is ""behind"" the screen surface?
07:16:02 <elliott> Fiora: i think you can get replacement stuff (but i don't know anything about it)
07:16:18 <kmc> I think sony basically started with the idea "if we made a $3,000 laptop, some people will buy it" and worked backwards from there
07:16:30 <Vorpal> Fiora, so not on the back on the laptop then? The backside of the monitor with all the logos and so on
07:16:41 <kmc> with ThinkPads it is pretty easy to get replacement part numbers and repair manuals
07:16:49 <Vorpal> yep
07:16:57 <Fiora> Vorpal: no, like, the screen, the thing that makes light and displays stuff
07:17:01 <Vorpal> ah..
07:17:11 <Vorpal> well I guess replacement would be needed. not sure how to protect against it
07:17:16 <Vorpal> get a toughbook maybe?
07:17:21 <kmc> it had lots of blue LEDs of course
07:17:38 <kmc> Fiora: what does the screen damage look like?
07:18:19 <Fiora> kmc: um... in one place there's what looks sort of like a spec of black dirt behind the screen (but not like dead pixels)
07:18:23 <Fiora> like it doesn't look pixelly
07:18:27 <Vorpal> Hm
07:18:30 <kmc> hm
07:18:33 <Fiora> in another there's like a slightly dark spot a few mm wide
07:18:37 <kmc> i haven't had that happen with my thinkpads, I don't think
07:18:44 <Vorpal> I haven't seen that either
07:18:53 <Fiora> it's probably my fault for carting this thing around 30 minutes a day every day
07:18:55 <kmc> i have cracked LCD panels but that's huge and bovious
07:18:58 <kmc> obvious too
07:19:09 <Fiora> and probably doing dumb things like dropping it because I'm a klutz
07:19:10 <kmc> bovious, adj: of or pertaining to cows
07:19:17 <Fiora> also the toughbook looks ridiculously heavy
07:19:47 <Vorpal> My LCD panels usually just end up getting dimmer over time. And usually for my desktop the backlight fails. Every single LCD that failed on me, it was the backlight.
07:20:16 <Vorpal> Fiora, well yeah, but they are durable
07:20:28 <kmc> Fiora: what manufacturer is your laptop from?
07:20:54 <Fiora> it's a sager np9150
07:20:54 <Vorpal> I know only one guy who managed to break a toughbook.
07:22:03 <Vorpal> And he works as an ambulance driver, so rather rough conditions
07:24:11 <kmc> how did it happen
07:24:34 <Vorpal> kmc, he managed to drop it about 2.5 meters, and the HDD popped right out of it.
07:25:07 <kmc> yikes
07:25:15 <Vorpal> yeah, that shouldn't usually happen with those
07:25:43 <Vorpal> kmc, not rugged enough I say, I work with far more rugged hardware daily.
07:26:13 <Vorpal> (industrial computers for mining equipment)
07:27:04 <Vorpal> (they are often in conditions with high temperature, high humidity and salty water)
07:27:22 <Bike> oh yeah well I work with computers in SPACE!!
07:27:27 <Bike> laptops made of nebulae
07:27:30 <Vorpal> ;P
07:28:38 <Vorpal> Bike, what is the IP classing?
07:29:19 <elliott> Bike: you work with computers inside of cows
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07:30:25 <Vorpal> bbl
07:30:25 <Bike> Vorpal: what
07:30:35 <Bike> elliott: have you ever been inside a cow? pretty rough conditions imo
07:30:44 <Vorpal> Bike, ?
07:30:47 <elliott> i was born inside of a cow
07:30:51 <Bike> what ip classing what are you talking about
07:30:57 <Vorpal> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
07:31:04 <Vorpal> that
07:31:13 <Vorpal> also bbl really, have to leave for a while
07:32:02 <Bike> man i don't know if i'll ever get used to people believing things i say
07:35:02 <elliott> Bike.
07:35:05 <elliott> it was Vorpal's attempt at a joke.
07:36:45 <Bike> that's some next-level shit.
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08:22:16 <Vorpal> My GPU fan decided to jump to silly level after the resuming from suspend to ram. What
08:22:23 <Vorpal> Sensor 0: Temperature - 40.00 C
08:22:23 <Vorpal> Fan Speed: 60%
08:22:32 <Vorpal> I'll try rebooting I guess
08:22:45 <Fiora> that happens to me sometimes too, like when the battery mysteriously won't charge or the fan is stuck on max or things
08:22:48 <Fiora> I have no idea why
08:22:53 <Vorpal> Fiora, this is on a desktop though
08:23:02 <Fiora> oh, geez, even weirder
08:23:22 <Vorpal> well, I guess I'll have to reboot, can't see any other option...
08:23:24 <Vorpal> bbl
08:26:22 <Vorpal> Yeah rebooting helped
08:26:40 <Vorpal> Sensor 0: Temperature - 41.00 C
08:26:40 <Vorpal> Fan Speed: 21%
08:27:25 <Vorpal> If you want a linux computer that actually works perfectly, either get a server or a thinkpad with intel graphics and intel wifi
08:27:27 <Vorpal> -_-
08:28:11 <Vorpal> Fiora, ^
08:28:44 <Vorpal> This computer can't even properly suspend to disk, it just doesn't work. Neither in windows nor linux.
08:29:10 <Vorpal> I would assume suspend to disk was easier than suspend to ram wrt. hardware dependencies
08:29:39 <Vorpal> it is just save ram to disk, shut down, on boot check if we should load ram from disk
08:29:49 <Vorpal> but no, seems it isn't that easy
08:30:02 <Fiora> eesh
08:30:20 <Vorpal> Also why does distcc always fail to start at boot: Fri May 10 10:25:11 2013: [....] Starting Distributed Compiler Daemon: distccd[....] /etc/init.d/distcc: start failed with error code 102 ...^[[?25l^[[?1c^[7^[[1G[^[[33mwarn^[[39;49m^[8^[[?25h^[[?0c ^[[33m(warning).^[[39;49m
08:30:26 <Vorpal> works fine to start it after boot
08:31:14 <Vorpal> " 102 Bind failed."
08:31:24 <Vorpal> but network is up at that point
08:31:27 <Vorpal> I checked that
08:32:38 <Vorpal> also yes the color codes are messed up in /var/log/boot
08:32:48 <Fiora> does it give a more detailed error or something?
08:33:01 <Vorpal> nope, "error code 102" is as far as I got
08:33:07 <Fiora> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3621960.html#3621960
08:33:09 <Vorpal> since it work after boot I don't know how to debug it
08:33:15 <Fiora> apparently it puts more things in the log?
08:33:22 <Fiora> "/var/log/everything/current"
08:33:24 <Vorpal> mmm gentoo, on debian though
08:33:38 * Fiora knows nothing about distros... and okay probably nothing about linux
08:33:38 <Vorpal> I guess /var/log/messages for me
08:34:06 <Vorpal> yay /var/log/distccd.log
08:34:22 <Vorpal> distccd[9483] (dcc_remove_pid) Warning: failed to remove pid file /var/run/distccd.pid: Permission denied
08:34:22 <Vorpal> distccd[3196] (dcc_listen_by_addr) ERROR: bind of 192.168.1.65:3632 failed: Cannot assign requested address
08:34:22 <Vorpal> distccd[6821] (dcc_remove_pid) Warning: failed to remove pid file /var/run/distccd.pid: Permission denied
08:34:22 <Vorpal> distccd[13778] (dcc_remove_pid) Warning: failed to remove pid file /var/run/distccd.pid: Permission denied
08:34:22 <Vorpal> distccd[3128] (dcc_listen_by_addr) ERROR: bind of 192.168.1.65:3632 failed: Cannot assign requested address
08:34:25 <Vorpal> well okay?
08:34:38 <Vorpal> why can't it assign that address? I have no idea, the network should be up
08:34:50 <Fiora> someone in the thread was talking about a --listen thing or something
08:34:55 <Vorpal> why can't it remove the pid file? I have no idea
08:35:41 <Vorpal> yeah it is configured in /etc/default/distcc on Debian
08:36:17 <Vorpal> and my listen address is correct
08:36:27 <Vorpal> as far as I can tell
08:36:38 <Vorpal> I don't want it on IPv6, so I need to restrict which IP
08:37:03 <Fiora> maybe it's a dhcp thing?
08:37:38 <Vorpal> Hm, I could try switching to static IP, the thing is, /etc/init.d/distcc lists network as a dependency
08:37:50 <Vorpal> maybe it only depends on part of the network? Say IPv6 for exampl
08:37:52 <Vorpal> example*
08:38:18 <Vorpal> I'll investigate that
08:38:39 <Vorpal> "$network low level networking (ethernet card; may imply PCMCIA running)"
08:38:47 <Vorpal> well that wasn't helpful at all
08:39:23 <Vorpal> I guess static ip might help if that is the issue
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08:40:00 <Vorpal> or figure out how to say "I need eth0 up and running and IP assigned to it
08:40:25 <Vorpal> (I do have "always same IP" from DHCP, so that isn't the issue)
08:41:18 <Vorpal> or I could just edit the script to force it to run last
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09:39:15 <olsner> "In brief, the main external visible features of the cow are: two lookers, two hookers, four stander-uppers, four hanger-downers, and a swishy-wishy."
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13:43:32 <oerjan> <elliott> hey tim shachaf is doing an "a m a"
13:43:45 <oerjan> :t undefined :: a m a
13:43:46 <lambdabot> Expecting two more arguments to `a'
13:43:46 <lambdabot> In an expression type signature: a m a
13:43:46 <lambdabot> In the expression: undefined :: a m a
13:44:12 <boily> tim?
13:44:50 <oerjan> darn i was hoping for an inscrutable kind error
13:45:18 <elliott> boily: tim shacfer
13:46:48 <oerjan> hm topic is backwards but link points correctly, i smell a right-to-left marker
13:47:13 <JesseH> Anyone working on a eso lang? :D
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14:46:40 <Taneb> Anyone know how to send a pull request on github from the command line?
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14:47:01 <elliott> carefully
14:47:29 <Taneb> Thank you elliott
14:47:32 <Taneb> Very helpful
14:47:36 <elliott> np
14:47:37 <elliott> any time
14:49:19 <JesseH> https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests
14:49:27 <JesseH> Why do it from terminal?
14:49:38 <JesseH> DO YOU NOT HAVE GUIZ?
14:49:39 <elliott> wow you managed to be even less helpful than me
14:50:04 <JesseH> Well, maybe not :P
14:50:16 <JesseH> You sorta just said "carefully" unless I'm hallucinating.
14:50:38 <JesseH> I have him a link of how the documentation tells you to do it, hinting that there might not be a way to do it from terminal.
14:51:10 <elliott> Taneb: anyway i think there is a "hub" command line tool thing that lets you do it
14:52:46 <Taneb> JesseH: telling someone to take care because it could be difficult is a lot more helpful than saying "give up now, there's an easier way to do it"
14:53:08 <JesseH> K
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16:33:20 <oerjan> elliott: catseye.tc has expired; i changed the catseye template to use the wayback template, i hope this doesn't break too much.
16:38:10 <oerjan> (by which i mean, WE ARE ALL DOOMED HTH)
16:39:16 <Taneb> oerjan, web-routes and hamlet are almost but not quite compatible what do i do
16:39:45 <oerjan> Taneb: give up hth
16:40:09 <Taneb> But I'm all out of up!
16:40:23 <Taneb> And even if I had any up, I wouldn't know to whom to give it!
16:41:31 <Taneb> What now oerjan
16:41:33 <Taneb> What now
16:41:59 <oerjan> now you are doomed, of course. hth.
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16:48:46 <Taneb> (the only difference is in web-routes there's something that's Maybe Text when in hamlet (and all the other shakespeare templating things) it is just Text)
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16:52:45 <Taneb> elliott, now that oerjan has left who should I complain to
17:00:21 <Gregor> YOURSELF
17:06:03 <FireFly> Taneb: you're doorned
17:07:31 <Taneb> On an unrelated note, I believe that in base 30, 1/11 has a ten-digit long repeating part
17:08:43 <NihilistDandy> Yup
17:09:01 <NihilistDandy> Acually, 15 digits
17:09:27 <NihilistDandy> Or, oh, wait. Base 30
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17:12:36 <Taneb> Possibly I should complain to the Yesod guys
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18:39:42 <Gregor> `run touch ‮
18:39:50 <HackEgo> No output.
18:39:52 <Gregor> `ls
18:39:54 <HackEgo> ​‮ \ bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ hbDf \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ maze \ maze.c \ paste \ pref \ q \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ testbot \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ Test.o \ wisdom
18:39:58 <Gregor> Outstanding.
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18:40:19 <Taneb> Something looks wrong with that
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18:40:38 <Gregor> ‮I have no idea what you're talking about.
18:40:53 <boily> @localtime Taneb
18:40:54 <lambdabot> Local time for Taneb is Fri May 10 19:40:53
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18:59:33 <ion> More potential esoteric language names based on movie spam bots. http://hpaste.org/browse?author=Swarovski
19:00:38 <fizzie> `words --esolangs 20
19:00:40 <HackEgo> trude alpl binata stre-cal anothesquid grave gechang squatre zot tri bam128 brain subleq ext() goto++ billgolfscriptimefuck-2d code lazy twist dobelta
19:01:08 <fizzie> billgolfscriptimefuck-2d sounds like quite the language.
19:02:33 <VorpalPhone> Heh yeah
19:04:44 <boily> the vorpal phone of talking, now with 12.5% more communication*
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19:05:26 <VorpalPhone> Andchat crashed...
19:06:33 <Gregor> It tends to do that.
19:07:24 <VorpalPhone> Right...
19:07:54 <VorpalPhone> So i saw boily highlight me, then crash...
19:08:07 <VorpalPhone> What did you say?
19:08:31 <boily> <boily> the vorpal phone of talking, now with 12.5% more communication*
19:08:35 <Gregor> *crash*
19:08:40 <VorpalPhone> Ah
19:08:45 <boily> no crash?
19:09:04 <VorpalPhone> No
19:09:05 <boily> in any case, you should not pay attention to my ramblings, especially on Fridays.
19:09:05 * pikhq_ hates insomnia!
19:09:40 <VorpalPhone> Need to switch AP might disconnect
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19:10:48 <VorpalPhone_> Which sucks, since technically I'm still on the same network.
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19:12:46 <VorpalPhone> ...
19:16:01 <Gregor> VorpalPhone: ‮How's AndChat's Unicode support?
19:16:55 <VorpalPhone> Varying... Between device orientations
19:17:11 <boily> ã“ã‚“ã«ã¡ã¯ï¼Ÿ
19:17:22 <VorpalPhone> First line was reversed, second was not
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19:17:28 <pikhq_> ã“ã‚“ã«ã¡ã¯ã€‚ã„ã‹ãŒã§ã™ã‹ã€‚
19:17:38 <VorpalPhone> boily: tjat probably works?
19:17:43 <VorpalPhone> That
19:18:12 <VorpalPhone> Amy typo is the fault
19:18:23 <VorpalPhone> Of SwiftKey
19:41:05 <FreeFull> ðŸŽ
19:42:50 <nooodl> ugh i need something to write in haskell
19:43:10 <boily> nooodl: implement something with T.30 and T.37. bonus points for T.38.
19:43:37 <nooodl> what are those
19:43:49 <boily> ITU fax protocols.
19:46:27 <nooodl> yikes
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20:00:57 <VorpalPhone> boily: hah, is there a haskell library for that?
20:01:38 <boily> VorpalPhone: not to my knowledge.
20:01:50 <VorpalPhone> Aww
20:02:06 <boily> yep. hoogle returns nothig for t30, nor fax.
20:02:26 <boily> I think it'd be very interesting to have something for that in haskell.
20:02:27 <VorpalPhone> Does anyone still use fax?
20:02:42 <boily> that's a question I've been asking myself daily for the past two weeks.
20:02:59 <VorpalPhone> Can't remember when I last saw a fax machine...
20:03:15 <VorpalPhone> Why the past 2 weeks?
20:03:39 <VorpalPhone> And why daily?
20:04:25 <VorpalPhone> boily:?
20:04:31 <boily> current work project.
20:04:37 <VorpalPhone> Oh?
20:05:01 <VorpalPhone> You need to deal with fax? Why?!
20:05:02 <boily> it needs to have a fax. which is very stupid, considering the context in which the stuff is going to be launched.
20:05:09 <boily> because clients asked for it!
20:05:53 <VorpalPhone> Oh, please tell as much as you can about this, it sounds entertaining...
20:06:13 <boily> well, you know you can make calls and stuff when you're on a plane, right?
20:06:25 <VorpalPhone> Not really no.
20:06:49 <boily> these phones no one uses in the back of the seats?
20:06:51 <VorpalPhone> Haven't flown for like 12 years.
20:06:53 <boily> ah.
20:06:57 <boily> good argument.
20:07:31 <boily> well, it shouldn't have changed much since. we're trying to make some very old and buggy and flaky technology float. ISDN, T.30, stuff like that.
20:07:31 <VorpalPhone> Well 5, but that was a small Cessna
20:07:50 <VorpalPhone> Heh
20:07:50 <boily> oh, never flewn in a cessna. the smalles I went in was a DH-8.
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20:08:30 <VorpalPhone> The plane i flew in 12 years ago was pretty small too, turboprop
20:08:47 <VorpalPhone> Never been in a jet
20:09:20 <VorpalPhone> Usually i take the train
20:09:41 <VorpalPhone> And never been outside Scandinavia
20:10:57 <VorpalPhone> So you say there are faxes on some planes?
20:11:15 <VorpalPhone> boily: really still faxes?
20:13:04 <VorpalPhone> Oh well...
20:13:22 <VorpalPhone> Good night.
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20:18:58 <boily> @tell VorpalPhone sorry, was out fetching the test faxes.
20:18:58 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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20:59:49 <Taneb> Faxes still exist!?
21:00:02 <JesseH> O_o
21:00:55 <boily> they do. they're evil. we're sending at 7200 bauds on our test runs.
21:01:13 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/864436de962d5e310ea87f0ccf9fb1c0/tumblr_mmhygqyvz11rckw3lo1_1280.jpg
21:07:51 <NihilistDandy> I should check if I have any Dota 2 keys
21:09:29 <boily> we're using an old antiquity at the moment. it tried to feed three pages at the same time. the end result was printed on an 8½ × 14.
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23:33:48 <Sgeo> Fuck recruiters.
23:33:56 <kmc> yep
23:34:00 <kmc> what now?
23:34:14 <Sgeo> The promised raise? I haven't seen it.
23:34:25 <Sgeo> Going to go ask about it
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23:39:54 <JesseH> Sgeo, due...
23:39:56 <JesseH> duide*
23:39:57 <JesseH> dude*
23:40:02 <JesseH> Sgeo, NEVER TRUST A RECRUITER
23:40:08 <JesseH> Get every promise they say in writing
23:40:21 <JesseH> Did you not ask anyone before you decided to talk to those salesmen?
23:41:12 <Sgeo> They made a show of good faith by having me sign 3 contracts, the latter two contracts with the higher rate and marked with the date that it was supposed to take effect.
23:41:23 <Sgeo> *tried to make a show of good faith
23:41:38 <JesseH> and you signed what they save you X_x
23:41:44 <JesseH> Good luck
23:41:47 <JesseH> See you in 10 years!
23:42:00 <Sgeo> I can quit with 5 days notice if I have to.
23:43:35 <JesseH> Is the military what you want to do?
23:43:40 <JesseH> Where are you located?
23:44:07 <kmc> Sgeo: isn't the contract with the new rate enforceable? but it's probably at-will employment so they can just fire you
23:48:51 <Sgeo> at-will
23:49:18 <Sgeo> contracts with new rate should be enforcable, signed pay schedule I was emailed is not.
23:49:41 <Sgeo> (According to contract(s), other agreements aren't... I forget the exact phrasing)
23:51:02 <kmc> promised raises in at-will employment are kind of weird
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