< 1368057625 971981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRACTRAN is a cool esolang < 1368057714 307212 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what im sayin < 1368058169 78123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Godddammit dropbox stop being slow as pain < 1368058210 805527 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4523.html deuce explains the commutator < 1368058212 853166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasdfasdf the select files box did open I just dudn't see it < 1368058364 576446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16240872/crossdomain/demo.htm < 1368058383 438616 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368058396 754047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. "Origin http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin." < 1368058412 215735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that imply that farmingdale is in fact sending Access-Control-Allow-Origin data? < 1368058422 500528 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368058452 682211 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1368058452 906213 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368058506 898581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switched it to example.com < 1368058548 517100 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is the domain of a .js file actually the domain of the file including it? < 1368058584 704140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be, I think. < 1368058589 295512 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1368058594 339915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the domain of the global window object < 1368058601 237943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever it is < 1368058610 998827 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you guys know how Finnish is a cipher of Japanese? < 1368058619 504325 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :German is likewise a cipher of French, right? < 1368058651 346671 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly. < 1368058659 831380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, switching to example.com is dumb < 1368058665 128374 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :common misconception, it's actually romansh it's a cipher of < 1368058743 390422 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish is weird. < 1368058758 303641 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all like, "fingo ga hen da", only encrypted! < 1368058808 853074 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368058868 88747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snyfarvu.farmingdale.edu/~goldsj6/crossdomain/demo.htm < 1368058868 998794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT. < 1368058874 448973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit dropbox < 1368058888 292415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like fartbox (a box you fart in) < 1368058901 818269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently dropbox supports CORS? < 1368058912 661401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a packer sniffer < 1368058937 407439 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sweet blank page < 1368058939 942317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. I want two domains, neither of which support cors < 1368058946 369780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, look at Javascript console. < 1368058963 32137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at where resources are coming from < 1368058964 693505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And source < 1368059019 587031 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same combination on my luggage < 1368059103 386514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's retrieving it cross-domain < 1368059173 917539 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts as cross domain? < 1368059180 371624 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like taking a risk; apt-get update < 1368059182 130507 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the script and the info are both dropboxusercontent. < 1368059199 825939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should count as cross-domain, although my boss disagrees. < 1368059224 235791 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should it? < 1368059238 14621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the page itself is on snyfarvu.farmingdale.edu < 1368059265 908438 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what's the securty flaw < 1368059297 986042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say gmail.com hosts some .js file. If I can trick the file into retrieving something interesting then calling my code, I now have something interesting. < 1368059308 394086 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368059614 962959 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, so you guys know immibis? < 1368059675 796391 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I disable CORS somehow? < 1368059888 957764 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-233-58.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368059936 594487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-174.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368060106 389989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: This method must not be called from JavaScript. < 1368060108 856994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1368060152 888744 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(init() on an XMLHttpRequest in Firefox) < 1368060217 681991 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-233-58.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1368060281 225974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1368060516 785031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/XMLHttpRequest < 1368060556 137008 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disable cors? Why < 1368060560 494083 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORS is great! < 1368060611 674068 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-58.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type: Function? < 1368060687 122724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to test what happens without the interference of CORS < 1368060712 906183 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're trying to break same-origin? < 1368060720 86475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1368060732 267799 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For .js files where the .js file itself comes from doesn't change the origin context < 1368060739 767287 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always set by the document. < 1368060746 58595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, I am aware of this. I want to show my boss < 1368060757 841326 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He thinks it doesn't work like that? ¬u¬ < 1368060767 917968 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just post a link to the specs or whatev < 1368060787 137397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specs suck when it comes to "Does this work on the web" < 1368060879 219880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what the fun part is? It wouldn't really matter so much if cookies weren't sent with every request to a domain no matter who originated that request. < 1368060946 430894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "For example, http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7634 ought to be a CVE" -- ezyang < 1368060951 742191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :go pro troll and request one < 1368060982 593692 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-58.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cve? < 1368060998 226504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number identifying a security vulnerability < 1368061032 6166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures < 1368061070 972872 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-58.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368061320 119908 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1368061659 948500 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-79-108.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368061734 249658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also GHC still has loads of RWX pages :( < 1368061823 918849 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-58.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368061856 613960 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368061880 609784 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368062061 917118 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-79-108.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368062067 236562 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368062621 858511 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368062701 36430 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368062728 380697 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got something that is similar to "goto" implemented in my language. ^_^ < 1368062749 393807 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear goto is considered harmful < 1368062749 578994 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if I get the "if" thingie implemented you might be able to do something with this confusing pile of shit :D < 1368062777 79923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"considered harmful" considered harmful < 1368062785 876309 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, < 1368062787 353051 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato < 1368062795 754484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what about asm goto < 1368062797 127579 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1368062832 574070 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harm things? I hope so. < 1368062836 849105 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, have you seen knuth's paper about goto, 's cool < 1368062841 159018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368062843 618063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatos are great < 1368062848 130277 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1368062855 452654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have sucked to live in europe before they got all the cool foods from the new world < 1368062859 353323 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Structured programming with GO TO statements" < 1368062863 442073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian food with no tomatoes < 1368062865 880681 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :direct response to djikstra < 1368062870 820412 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra? dutch < 1368062892 859573 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, in my language, everything in between the :'s have a numerical number..which is in order < 1368062894 911337 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was europe's staple crop anyway < 1368062903 859782 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i know shit" < 1368062916 411942 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can now hop to any part of the program :D < 1368062945 524241 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wheat, duh < 1368063007 509365 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the most productive corn farms are in israel nowadays < 1368063011 566942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they got the potato in ireland and the population doubled < 1368063012 477800 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~*~globalization~*~ < 1368063015 357631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it dropped by half >_< < 1368063045 435740 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disease or famine or < 1368063054 663446 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's talking about the famine presumably < 1368063054 848664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :famine brought on by potato disease < 1368063059 395415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they were all like the same species < 1368063067 367620 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you can blame the disease and also britain (THANKS ELLIOTT) < 1368063092 267308 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this channel XD < 1368063103 286721 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so used to being kicked and banned for saying off-topic shit < 1368063114 425373 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that you can't talk about ubuntu in #ubuntu? < 1368063115 171749 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: how could would you say your language is at resource allocation in emergency conditions < 1368063121 1376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think we are on the verge of discovering at last what programming languages should really be like." -- Donald Knuth, 1974 < 1368063122 105672 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now it's on-topic. you're welcome) < 1368063125 951225 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: inorite < 1368063135 861517 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how good would < 1368063136 942651 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i'm not complaining! < 1368063142 266456 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please continue to speak about potatos < 1368063147 491779 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good. complaints are off-topic. < 1368063151 467560 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368063158 353348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew < 1368063161 204214 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be happy, citizen < 1368063168 235814 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, forgot the rest D: < 1368063197 241826 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, this is a high level esoteric language < 1368063200 466546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the british stole the best land in ireland for grazing cows < 1368063256 259754 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1368063300 994808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐄 < 1368063307 209176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a cow, hth) < 1368063437 703414 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a moo language? < 1368063452 922352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the language that MOOs use < 1368063520 299794 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/COW < 1368063558 61649 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's a brainfuck < 1368063574 883716 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it MMIX < 1368063632 54018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, CORS considers POST of application/x-ww-form-urlencoded to be a "simple request" that it can just go ahead and send to a remote server without asking < 1368063639 606632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because of course it could be done without CORS) < 1368063782 926122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, hmm, not so sure) < 1368063988 922706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think if CORS isn't used browser still complains with a CORS sounding message < 1368064138 384982 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368064188 26851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ta-da http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16240872/crossdomain/demo.htm < 1368064210 487827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might need to use Wireshark though to convince someone that snyfarvu.farmingdale.edu isn't explicitly denying it < 1368064300 185467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a demonstration for work? < 1368064315 491766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a disagreement I have with my boss < 1368064318 866848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tangeltally related to work < 1368064322 635775 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tangentally < 1368064449 855368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum. I think the server is actually SENDING the contents of the file, just the browser is refusing to tell the Javascript what it is. < 1368064462 106537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there are any interesting implications of this. < 1368064757 438032 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368064795 389136 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368065135 862655 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368065171 980173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Therefore, sites that prevent cross-site request forgery have nothing new to fear from HTTP access control.' < 1368065199 495628 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but sites that are already vulnerable to CSRF just found being CSRFed slightly easier for the attacker to do.... which I guess isn't a big deal. < 1368065358 109114 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi can anyone look through the language overview and give me tips on what else the language needs? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Derplang < 1368065422 149135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of an attack scenario due to CORS. < 1368065436 385319 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: 99 bottles < 1368065452 595810 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, really? ill totally add that if you want ^^ < 1368065461 918866 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: will print out "99 bottles" < 1368065488 89676 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what CORS does. It sends a GET request. < 1368065488 912303 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 99 bottles of beer < 1368065495 924 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why you don't ever make a GET request change anything. < 1368065501 791319 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been able to do that since the beginning of time anyways < 1368065501 998564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you're on insecure wifi, and you're aware of it, so you decide that you won't visit youridiotbankthatdoesntusehttps.com < 1368065501 998666 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, dont understand < 1368065511 741030 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With script elements, img elements, iframes, whatnot < 1368065522 624068 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike's saying your language needs more beer < 1368065530 801929 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not compute < 1368065531 14409 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer; take one down, pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall! 98 bottles of beer on the wall, 98 bottles of beer...[etc]" < 1368065537 145211 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. something remotely interesting, like ackermann < 1368065542 873737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, on accident, you do visit evil.com, and someone working with evil.com is snooping your traffic. < 1368065543 414005 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1368065555 356181 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard the reference before < 1368065557 323580 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1368065558 877040 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's a known attack vector, Sgeo < 1368065580 801709 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: http://esolangs.org/wiki/99_bottles_of_beer < 1368065581 413987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil.com sends a simple CORS request with credentials to the bank. < 1368065596 767048 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even need to be a CORS request it can be a damn img tag < 1368065611 385713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....good point. < 1368065617 890222 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing new there. < 1368065633 386587 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think evil.com deserves this slander < 1368065644 535353 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh Bike okay i understand now! < 1368065690 908703 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: also implement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function < 1368065752 586132 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright thanks for the tips < 1368065825 789806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Important note: when responding to a credentialed request, server must specify a domain, and cannot use wild carding. " < 1368065852 415797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess server could reflect Origin, but then what if it's cached < 1368065856 17623 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Does it have to get the first number, and put that in front of the string? < 1368065857 365952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it being cached can be blocked < 1368065864 242141 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: does what have to what < 1368065870 348264 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1368065879 254911 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so basically < 1368065911 397855 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to write a program in my language that if you type something, it will manipulate that data and return something else < 1368065924 476355 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1368065937 389178 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an if statement in my language...I know that < 1368065941 254244 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one don't care about i/o < 1368065946 286034 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how you do it, rather < 1368065952 117949 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :input already works < 1368065954 186735 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have something compute ackermann somehow < 1368065958 373702 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Again, an img tag will always send credentials .-. < 1368065963 498410 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't even disable it. < 1368065966 230334 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, alright < 1368065969 116088 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't 'need' an if statement per se < 1368065978 149793 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compute ackmerann in lambda calculus if you hate yourself sufficiently < 1368065988 906849 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is fun < 1368065995 804774 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more realistically use the µ-recursive formalism < 1368066002 321066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, I'm saying what if I want to receive and reply to non-simple credentialed requests for some reason < 1368066004 220129 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"old skoooool" < 1368066068 925915 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the few languages I've actually bothered to implement was a language that gave you functions and a way to call them and then you could implement stuff like integers by hand. < 1368066085 560662 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well it gave you a way to define functions. None exist to begin with < 1368066334 897641 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ackerman function is a bit confusing. I may just be sleepy. < 1368066364 708123 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "pretty cool function" < 1368066368 233732 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern that math < 1368066372 900562 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at other examples < 1368066416 90170 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could I do this without if statement? < 1368066435 483224 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1368066452 746840 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I write this in a language without the ability to create functions? < 1368066469 592075 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do much in an imperative language without control flow :-) < 1368066474 563792 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty vague < 1368066481 225947 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well have you seen the spec < 1368066483 413000 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reading a log < 1368066484 523054 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine doing it on a turing machine if you like < 1368066486 677086 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no "conditional jumps" < 1368066497 124386 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1368066509 921704 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no control flows and still trying to be Turing-complete? < 1368066510 943438 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :closest it gets are "repeat this thing `n` times" and "unconditional jump" < 1368066511 161738 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can add conditions >:P < 1368066522 114178 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: well obv. it's not tc < 1368066534 325016 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the part I'm working on < 1368066539 132165 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditions are so mainstream < 1368066539 668167 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing what I need for it to be turing complete < 1368066545 681934 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, my point :P < 1368066567 902251 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it can compute the ackermann function it's turing complete, probably, so there's a goal < 1368066574 464488 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: of course it is not TC but sometimes very obscure feature can turn out to be a "TC-able control flow" < 1368066578 419862 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um are you sure < 1368066578 755804 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my language, to go on forever, printing a number that gets bigger each time you do this... < 1368066588 910844 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: "probably"!! < 1368066596 109763 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "probably" < 1368066620 293673 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though can you make tcness out of composing ackermanns or some shit, iunno < 1368066633 164412 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ackermanns is total sooooooooo < 1368066642 701593 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: I can't get a gist of your language (from the past log), can you describe a bit more? :) < 1368066672 655499 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu:x:0:ad:y:x:1:ou:y:gt:4 < 1368066673 183714 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you need to halt at some point, durr. < 1368066681 938009 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me test that code < 1368066721 520544 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that just prints 1 forever :/ < 1368066745 113711 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill need to fix ^_^ < 1368066773 242908 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... it had a link < 1368066778 398689 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reading the spec < 1368066783 773004 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, sorry im super thinking < 1368066793 854868 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains cpu is all on one thing right now < 1368066800 107442 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's cool is those "conjecturally tc" languages where you've got tc iff someones math conjecture holds < 1368066801 185981 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can force close or wait < 1368066818 96380 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: more interesting than 'something something goldman's' i hope < 1368066828 678329 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are at least two? < 1368066832 988548 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably one is that < 1368066833 208225 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the prime one is? how do i always forget it < 1368066836 536580 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goldbach < 1368066839 273978 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: yes, it is definitely not TC, meaning that it is not on the same level as other esolangs and normal languages (at least conceptually) < 1368066846 507837 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should stop naming people after elements < 1368066867 983389 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Oozlybub_and_Murphy this is the goldbach one, thank's cpressey < 1368066875 350826 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget where the other one is < 1368066882 792197 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and hydrogen should be renamed to unium < 1368066891 881928 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely long identifiers, nice < 1368066900 997932 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, turing completeness is my goal < 1368066947 492270 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several ways to add turing completeness < 1368066951 716947 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add? implement. < 1368066997 572167 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ill make the if statement only check if the two variables are == < 1368067005 44192 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will make things interesting. < 1368067014 900872 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general you need i) unbounded code repetition or loop and ii) unbounded storage that can be read and written arbitrarily (though it can be also arbitrarily slow) < 1368067117 286155 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, jesseh should learn ski calculus and then make something interesting < 1368067129 174041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski free < 1368067131 240195 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just may < 1368067148 527642 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo make something sub-tc and interesting < 1368067156 799686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ki calculus < 1368067167 400138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make something which is tc iff the riemann hypothesis holds < 1368067176 824653 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: total function programming FTW < 1368067177 924541 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds painful. < 1368067188 189521 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ye < 1368067211 912953 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill making something that is only sometimes tc < 1368067212 132882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One lesser known aspect of the game deals with the numerous tree stumps found around the slopes of SkiFree. Users have found that when skied over backwards they transform into a small spotty mushroom.... The mushrooms may illustrate an extrapolation of Plato's theory of ideas in which the physical form of something may not reveal its true identity and only its representation in our particular plane of existence." < 1368067220 458878 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sometimes"? < 1368067223 959601 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yep < 1368067226 409479 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice < 1368067251 175867 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everytime the interpreter is run, it throws a random, and if it is whatever value, it will use the code that makes it turing complete < 1368067253 589946 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, it wont < 1368067254 926932 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1368067262 144314 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make an esolang based on dynamics instead of all this "discreteness" crap. first, i will learn to math < 1368067269 510818 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368067270 622366 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of... < 1368067289 695118 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHI... I don't remember the name right now < 1368067301 323899 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHIQRSX9+, okay < 1368067310 399659 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of neumann's paper on computing neural networks with faulty components, except suxx0rz < 1368067331 990776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a simple instruction X which supposedly makes the entire language TC < 1368067354 117298 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference implementation invokes Perl for that purpose < 1368067409 510064 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/perl \n #X :P < 1368067585 544738 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/12868568fcce5b6a70804b519de198f3/tumblr_mm480oyaRw1qjyqixo1_1280.jpg h t h < 1368067816 392771 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed. Tomorrow...turring completeness is among us. < 1368068648 141567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, i choose to interpret this as a savaging of dinosaur comics < 1368068660 639909 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good interpretation < 1368068774 34727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: john carmack didn't come up with the magic inverse square root constant? if i was the hero-worshipping type i'd be shattered < 1368068923 252421 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did? < 1368068950 873803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with allowing a webpage to read arbitrary domains' GETable-without-cookies stuff? < 1368068963 246891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, someone could just put up a server somewhere that allows that indirectly < 1368069007 197434 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the real problems is just cookies in general eh < 1368069031 989285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1368069051 529635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need to be scrapped and a new mechanism developed. < 1368069120 660568 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: cached content < 1368069132 425474 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: imagine I requested page A with cookies and it is now cached < 1368069150 335204 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an arbitrary page could read that, they may get sensative data < 1368069166 571470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're not sending the cookies, it deserves to be considered different in the cache. < 1368069180 825845 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1368069181 781057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, even if there's no private data involved < 1368069188 931966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can measure how long it takes for the request to come back < 1368069194 883609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if you've visited the website recently < 1368069227 430907 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without cookies, they can use: "did this image come back fast enough" < 1368069233 63278 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1368069256 19037 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also, some (silly) websites don't have indepotent GET requests < 1368069273 544201 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be a shooting offence < 1368069298 271480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant, said websites are already screwed < 1368069317 637141 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it turns a misconfiguration or miscoding application bug into a security issue < 1368069345 812147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was already a security issue. < 1368069353 524652 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm? < 1368069360 910759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :img tag with src, or attacker's proxy somewhere < 1368069367 229757 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1368069372 239435 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: poor example < 1368069394 65312 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :years ago I used to know all this stuff, havn't done web application pen testing for a long time though < 1368069426 530520 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that reminds me of reading in a ph'p book that used extract on $_GET or $_POST i forget which (both?)..... i forget the book too < 1368069444 226335 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://php.net/manual/en/function.extract.php what a cute language < 1368069478 664136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368069485 710461 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, that used to be infamous. < 1368069499 277808 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But uh... I guess they still let you do it, huh. < 1368069520 765834 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's register_globals < 1368069521 734901 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :register_globals is horrible too < 1368069527 74988 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i remember that too < 1368069602 66628 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"superglobals" < 1368070170 918599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be interesting? A browser marketing itself (and trying to be) secure by sacrificing some backwards-compatibility < 1368070832 905519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ΡΗΡ < 1368070896 278804 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368070976 764512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i need to know about heap corruption exploits < 1368070995 841195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get this idea that you can overwrite block list pointers and use that to trick the allocator into writing a chosen value to a chosen address < 1368070998 567494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that happens all the time, e.g. Firefox disabled some CSS features for a while for security reasons < 1368071007 673583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can just clobber other app data on the heap as desired < 1368071019 705047 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty cool kmc < 1368071043 481009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::visited, or does CSS have more security issues than that? < 1368071090 240429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phrack.com/issues.html?issue=57&id=8 is a really sophisticated heap attack that I never understood in full < 1368071100 468842 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just scrap the web and use project xanadu < 1368071298 90542 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this splitter thing seems like it should be somewhere that isn't sudo. < 1368071485 972607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, 8 byte alignment... < 1368071546 751028 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Luckily for the attacker who smashes the heap in order to execute arbitrary code, the GNU C Library does not activate these error detection mechanisms" sweet < 1368071744 437000 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It may be possible, although hard to do reliably in a real-world attack, for a malicious web site to execute arbitrary machine code in the context of the web browser" some good links here kmc < 1368071761 284141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Where did he say that? < 1368072175 364111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who say what < 1368072682 305412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368072687 98381 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I have moderator powers on stackoverflow now < 1368072693 45690 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done anything on that site in like 2 years < 1368072701 767333 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban everyone < 1368072704 877552 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban everything < 1368072765 173657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban all non-PHP questions < 1368072872 32820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ezyang < 1368072986 253881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, on zephyr < 1368073046 511670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1368073147 388850 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does C have calloc for zeroed arrays but nothing special for uninitialized arrays? like, the way calloc takes a unit and all. < 1368073246 483727 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people expect any kind of internal consistency from C < 1368073289 298415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As far as I understand the state of the art in MD5 collisions isn't good enough to exploit that. :-( < 1368073292 700151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it at least more consistent than the web 'standards'? < 1368073304 37616 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1368073313 885977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a widely used language that bla bla god forbid i ask a historical question without being greeted by a chorus of "it just sucks" < 1368073345 730704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SUCKS < 1368073351 196170 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1368073356 250106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bizarre misprint. < 1368073384 72641 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :just suck it < 1368073385 229637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first half of this page is taken from the first half of a page a dozen pages later. < 1368073405 128533 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1368073409 29953 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tjat sounds like a misprint alright < 1368073409 398422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to the new chapter heading. < 1368073412 31497 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368073436 494327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the page number isn't. < 1368073471 888307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i sue the publisher < 1368073480 354888 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the publisher? < 1368073492 586401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dell < 1368073548 602737 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they publish books? < 1368073610 189108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By book I meant laptop catalog. < 1368073615 623750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Publishing ) < 1368073640 337087 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA_Catalogue < 1368073659 183533 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American Gun Mystery < 1368073715 303532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each edition of the catalogue takes about 10 months to develop from concept to final product.[3] < 1368073727 867144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the concept, uh, different every year? < 1368073745 270721 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a baby really different to another baby? < 1368075176 483012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that this old sudo exploit comes from utterly mundane string manipulation in logging < 1368075185 536450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the more recent one that was some obscure debug code < 1368075208 330695 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i naïve to think that that sort of thing shouldn't be part of the sudo code anyway < 1368075230 829127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the thing, even if you have some good reason to write your app in C, it probably only applies to 5% of the code and not to the 95% of boring error handling, argument processing, etc. < 1368075244 757148 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like shouldn't that be in a library or something < 1368075261 581675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in a kernel, most of the code (by SLoC) is not doing anything particularly performance sensitive or low-level < 1368075304 832445 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1368075455 538601 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying we might be well-served by writing applications out of multiple interacting modules, the implementation considerations of which don't impinge on each other's implementation considerations without good reason < 1368075459 577354 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just me < 1368075516 293646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all just doomed < 1368075519 889627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368075531 831082 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we're all just doomed. < 1368075533 324076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some combination of using multiple languages, and using languages that are safe by default but have these low-level capabilities < 1368075557 269161 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now of course, those languages are implemented < 1368075558 440322 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C < 1368075561 348422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a good example of a language that's safe by default, and suitable for systems programming (maybe not kernels so much, but like, high-preformance network servers) < 1368075576 878638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is part of why I get annoyed that everyone wanks about Haskell being sooooo mathematical and pure and not about the cool real world stuff it can do < 1368075587 711093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sure, but you end up with a smaller trusted base < 1368075594 512458 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fuck mathematical purity (hiiii elliottttt) < 1368075611 394475 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc is like 10MB? < 1368075625 489145 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot smaller than a linux system full of programs, is the point < 1368075633 923242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GHC RTS is 50,000 lines of C and assembly code < 1368075635 169134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary < 1368075636 835032 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is that the whole thing or just the C part < 1368075649 231731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not as scary as every app being written separately in C < 1368075672 891963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we hope that kernel and programming language development can attract a higher caliber of programmers than applications development < 1368075678 567063 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trusted base also contains the code generator, bytestring, and if lens is still using unsafePerformIO somewhere < 1368075691 146168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can justify expending more effort per line of code, because those core projects are used widely < 1368075704 71526 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's already true though < 1368075708 443504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, this battle is largely won, most software is written in Ruby and JavaScript now < 1368075713 35850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be better but could be worse < 1368075730 901119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the web has its own awful security problems < 1368075745 964382 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most amusing javascript attack is the heap fengshui thing < 1368075760 745116 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most amusing web security thing is billion laughs. < 1368075778 235357 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where they load a javascript program to attack the javascript vm < 1368075819 380146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the jit spraying attack technique or another < 1368075893 327779 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it gives you a known heap layout < 1368075901 233590 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can setup the actual attack < 1368075943 865802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about JIT spraying? http://www.semantiscope.com/research/BHDC2010/BHDC-2010-Paper.pdf < 1368076041 121738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write JS that the JIT will compile into some innocuous instructions, then you use whatever vuln to make the browser jump into the middle of an instruction and, surprise, all those numerical constants actually contain shellcode < 1368076115 44937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that paper also talks about inferring addresses of heap objects from their sort order in associative data structures < 1368076119 417810 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Appel do that with java and a tanning lamp < 1368076144 149718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368076151 428827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was another fun paper < 1368076164 575660 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they didn't jump into the middle of instructions < 1368076169 247316 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is great < 1368076223 874829 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know if there's been any work on secure mallocs or does just nobody care < 1368076239 281000 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a secure malloc < 1368076261 124263 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a malloc not making sudo vulnerable to weird crap like this phrack paper. < 1368076272 399491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocates mlocked memory so that keys and passwords won't be swapped to disk hth < 1368076283 334419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there has been some < 1368076294 85864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting canary values at the beginning/end of blocks, checking them on free < 1368076295 188250 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case because parts of dlmalloc's bookkeeping is stored right with the data, in the heap. < 1368076337 737542 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc doesn't have vulnerabilities, or at least I've not heard of one < 1368076341 431569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stuff like https://code.google.com/p/address-sanitizer/ basically gives you a safe allocator that tracks which memory you are and aren't allowed to touch < 1368076354 929952 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's just another firearm in the handy C arsenal < 1368076365 661338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in GCC 4.8 btw < 1368076375 563968 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a vulnerability in malloc, per se, but the design makes the explot possible < 1368076378 560168 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phrack.com/issues.html?issue=57&id=8 < 1368076397 499923 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, without compiled-in options that libc elides, i guess < 1368076461 927575 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone can access whatever bit of memory that they want, then no implementation of malloc is going to stop them < 1368076484 678835 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write a malloc that makes it a bit harder, but that doesn't solve anything < 1368076489 90063 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't, they can only access some particular bytes just after the memory. < 1368076532 935761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: there totally is value in making exploits harder to write, less reliable, more likely to be noticed < 1368076543 249229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we have stack canaries, ASLR, NX pages, etc < 1368076549 335269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of these things is foolproof < 1368076551 90288 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's all a pointless arms race < 1368076551 275284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no security is < 1368076555 264606 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i'm thinking of the gun control debate. < 1368076562 721894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's not pointless < 1368076575 153750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is legitimately a lot harder to write an exploit today than 10 years ago < 1368076577 572353 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it distracts people from trying to do things correctly < 1368076600 246997 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers are purely symbolic systems, barring hardware failures you can make exploits impossible < 1368076601 921413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm sure that spender will see the light and start working on the GHC typechecker < 1368076614 297934 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever actually used a correct system < 1368076616 857177 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think it's inherently difficult < 1368076626 549949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: uh, surely you mean 'exploits' only in a narrow sense of memory corruption or something < 1368076630 790221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all security problems < 1368076638 780312 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean people even talk in here about failures of checked haskell or whatever it's called all the time. < 1368076652 328192 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be ridiculous to then say that it's a pointless effort. < 1368076684 912877 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "bloze" should be a word. Like, past tense of "blaze". < 1368076693 727967 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most security problems seem to be in the area of we tried to abstract this away but we failed < 1368076699 664230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel bloze goats < 1368076704 341480 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory is one example < 1368076723 448838 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We tried to abstract away logging but we ended up breaking sudo :( :( :( < 1368076727 429493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C does not particularly try to abstract memory away < 1368076736 11037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think your statement is too general to be useful < 1368076755 510077 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus the C programmer gets to do it every day < 1368076761 357185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, programs are made of abstractions < 1368076772 140517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so most program failures can be seen as a failure of abstraction at some level < 1368076772 399357 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly bad ones < 1368076781 659493 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would make this conversation clearer? Some Hegel. < 1368076787 515571 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/se/abstract.htm < 1368076830 505930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: if you're arguing that people shouldn't use C as much as they do, then of course I agree (I said so above), but I think it's still worthwhile protecting whatever code is still written in C (for whatever good or bad reason) < 1368076837 932004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including language runtimes for that matter < 1368076858 519536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally believe in harm reduction, rather than in making things extra harmful out of a mistaken belief that people will not do them < 1368076863 463673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also believe in defense in depth < 1368076935 837219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apps have bugs, runtimes have bugs, type checkers have bugs, kernels have bugs, hypervisors have bugs, hardware has bugs < 1368076972 805631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly I'm not aware of a hardware bug in a major CPU that had consequences worse than denial of service < 1368076977 953990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have examples? < 1368076990 611271 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Plugging" the known risks generally means making the software more complicated < 1368076995 4958 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, fdiv messed up a few scientific calculations, briefly? < 1368077006 539558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368077014 27026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to define which things are security problems < 1368077030 17122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is part of why Linus totally ignores the distinction < 1368077036 745114 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there a bug in x86 hypervisor instructions < 1368077037 362156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not healthy in practice < 1368077040 706 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, security problems... maybe a bad RNG? < 1368077100 101513 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of, like, WWII crypto here >_> < 1368077114 629698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the SWAPGS non-canonical address issue that led to privesc in several OSes < 1368077122 362846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a disagreement between Intel and AMD on the fine points of the instruction < 1368077125 485210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but documented, I believe < 1368077268 407510 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dos is like, the most popular payload of most attacks, possibly because it's so easy. it's hard to think of other things < 1368077363 218323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1368077374 35597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what scope you're talking about < 1368077390 552250 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you count crowding out a webbrowser with toolbars as dos < 1368077406 38034 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of what I know about security, which isn't much of course, is gleaned from reading about shitty old viruses, which usually just posted some stupid message and borked your computer. < 1368077506 585085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, much like the internet as a whole, the hobbyists and tinkerers got there before the businesspeople < 1368077535 793378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days compromised windows machines are a tradeable commodity < 1368077557 734126 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean, dos is pretty easy compared to stealing passwords or w/e generally, isn't it? Just do some LOIC. < 1368077592 662421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :startup idea: high frequency arbitrage on markets for compromised windows machines < 1368077599 509522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit plan: get murdered by russian gangsters < 1368077613 373498 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using compromised windows machines to do high frequency arbitrage? < 1368077617 152920 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could work < 1368077621 352889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368077626 580517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean buying and selling them < 1368077631 109764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, using machines as the commodity. < 1368077638 342804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto for credit card numbers, CAPTCHA solving services, etc. < 1368077642 400405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam sending credits < 1368077647 308482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of this is traded online in huge volume now < 1368077661 826190 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, these things tend to depreciate after each sale < 1368077664 120910 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad the black market is so hard to observe, I bet it's really interesting economically. < 1368077678 499639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam wouldn't be economical if you actually had to pay for the servers and bandwidth < 1368077684 920509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean at legit rates < 1368077716 791834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think it's not so hard to observe... I know there was at least one paper about the CAPTCHA breaking market < 1368077767 891857 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you don't have government agencies releasing stats on 'em. < 1368077769 362927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't need to be super hidden because they operate in countries with corrupt or ineffective governments who don't cooperate with the governments of the people they're attacking < 1368077789 999178 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is CAPTCHA breaking exactly < 1368077799 756529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you know what a CAPTCHA is < 1368077809 840700 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather it's more sophisticated than the old trick of redirecting them to a porn site < 1368077810 151234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pay people to solve them for you < 1368077820 486233 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be more sophisticated than that. < 1368077832 196894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor people at internet cafes in the third world < 1368077832 799707 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just mean selling the solved captchas generated by the porn. < 1368077836 633942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{GLOBALIZATION} < 1368077856 886925 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@d154-5-190-48.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368077859 41400 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's a white collar job < 1368077937 880341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in most senses < 1368077975 758749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty trippy that you can make an API call in your program that results in sending an image to some kid in bangladesh who looks at it, types in some letters in a foreign script, and then your API call returns < 1368078051 762349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has done some Mechanical Turk tasks < 1368078069 108463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon is pretty good at keeping the sketchiest stuff off of MTurk I think < 1368078088 250639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You play chess? < 1368078089 174176 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably do some turk stuff sometime. It'd probably beat yardwork. < 1368078094 110217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368078109 610539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE JOKE IS MECHANICAL TURK HTH < 1368078110 45930 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like a really weird etymological reference, shachaf. < 1368078130 971829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Have you considered that perhaps you are a really weird etymological reference? < 1368078146 812719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep im trunign into e lliott < 1368078148 852690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess: the only winning move is not to play < 1368078156 181039 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually yes, my nick's etymology is a bit weird. < 1368078180 303424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, that and putting the other player in checkmate. hth < 1368078184 159785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Which nick? < 1368078187 969655 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one. < 1368078194 991865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that you have a billion nicks < 1368078201 662217 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1368078220 841944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora was fiora for a while today. < 1368078228 930816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a lot of clicking on road signs < 1368078233 974065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly the capital letter is back. < 1368078340 41998 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you like... /whois her repeatedly... < 1368078343 933065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1368078397 239437 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I mean, she hasn't been here. < 1368078397 697701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have two channels in common! < 1368078420 994808 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gasp. < 1368079127 964896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1368080642 547645 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368080701 491237 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368080753 227224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bike < 1368080764 549572 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome dick licking < 1368080768 119306 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1368080768 469801 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :dick: licking: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1368080865 936839 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi < 1368080867 174569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hi: not found < 1368081055 382095 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1368081311 297748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1368081793 126486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1368081864 314042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1368082312 353037 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1368084339 740609 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1368084624 573946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1368087271 768667 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1368087293 802927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mnoqy the only algebraic structure to orbit a planet < 1368087294 281730 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1368089393 464931 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368090730 917819 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer < 1368091140 453857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368093592 883567 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1368095250 639010 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368095453 162068 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 QUIT :Client Quit < 1368096541 234310 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368096565 61514 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368097032 748506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368097789 480590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368098424 391120 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368098424 576501 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1368098467 291201 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, I have a conditional statement. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Derplang | Check "it" in Language Overview. < 1368098901 958852 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368099341 352223 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368099371 19038 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368099555 990411 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Client Quit < 1368099744 914276 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368102278 142093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368103208 450015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368104120 5267 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any good suggestions for esoteric languages to learn? < 1368104636 768605 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368104962 230532 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: hey, how does 'ou' work? does it append a newline when printing something? < 1368104962 454732 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1368105012 712220 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is this legal: < 1368105026 829570 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :st:foo:Hello, world!:co:foo:foo:foo: < 1368105040 76610 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or must 'co' always declare a new string? < 1368105185 206073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368105207 507015 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what happens when you 'goto' in-between statements? maybe "parts of the program" should be split like this: < 1368105213 530038 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[['st', 'foo', '30'], ['ou', 'What is your name?'], ['ip', 'name'], ['fo', '5', 'ou', 'name']] < 1368105581 462213 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368105626 396079 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, it will ignore and go on to the next statement < 1368105633 74982 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, ou:x will output whatever x is < 1368105644 956664 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x isn't a declared variable it will output "x" < 1368105656 394427 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, I think "st:foo:Hello, world!:co:foo:foo:foo:" is legal < 1368105661 127960 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a newline char after it? < 1368105663 785199 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can test with the interpreter if youde like < 1368105664 277084 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1368105671 523164 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, and yes new line < 1368105677 182469 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff i don't have lua :( < 1368105683 192611 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What OS are you on? < 1368105685 534873 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaait maybe i do < 1368105689 73077 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 7 < 1368105695 927354 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go install lua5.1 XD < 1368105751 47610 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I get the socket library added, we can have some real fun XD < 1368105882 677756 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, st:foo:Hello, world!:co:foo:foo:foo:ou:foo: didn't work D: < 1368105891 249391 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in theory it's supposed to so it's an implementation error < 1368105896 87059 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1368105912 32570 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1368105977 900170 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should "gt:x:" work, if x is a number variable? < 1368105998 476992 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368106001 550801 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be a number < 1368106011 359829 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should work if x is declared < 1368106013 835455 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will test < 1368106036 687415 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof. that makes compiling this language a lot harder < 1368106129 190408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the way gt works already makes it kinda weird! take a look at this example: < 1368106131 196165 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu:gt:6:gt:2:ou:gt: < 1368106135 996197 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368106177 456225 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will give you a lua error < 1368106202 634486 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are basically giving gt the value of 6 < 1368106208 346211 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not what you're supposed to do XD < 1368106221 653491 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to break my codez are we? ;D < 1368106261 114946 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh commands and vars are in the same dict < 1368106263 101850 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1368106334 58292 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :st:foo:hi:st:coo:bye:co:z:foo:coo:ou:z: < 1368106336 114058 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works < 1368106349 827164 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output is foocoo < 1368106364 159765 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1368106367 810320 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1368106371 671109 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not supposed to happen < 1368106396 282566 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i run a derplang program using your lua interpreter < 1368106417 16434 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, it's in the readme < 1368106418 852548 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua derplang.lua filename.derp < 1368106420 834832 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1368106446 121862 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1368106689 928111 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is kinda crazy < 1368106719 772479 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu:gt:6:ou:_:ou:gt: < 1368106751 566806 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu:gt:6: acts as both a nu and a gt command < 1368106782 801260 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mc:do:na:ld:sc:hi:ck:en:nu:gt: < 1368107121 172014 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368107306 795269 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Will the Contents thingy show up automatically? <-- there's a minimum number of sections before it shows up, i think, and there's also some user viewing preference. < 1368107358 942665 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah oke < 1368107369 574109 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, :-) there is lots of magic to my language you don't know < 1368107375 645464 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone needs to create a language, that is used for creating other languages. <-- haskell hth < 1368107377 470708 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to lua's derpness < 1368107407 802698 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(getting two #esoteric memes in a two-word response, new record?) < 1368107423 352178 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not.) < 1368107477 150320 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: also emmental on the wiki might count, in a different way. < 1368107490 984383 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused on a lot of wiki stuff < 1368107494 868050 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't understand what you mean < 1368107507 405392 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki Emmental < 1368107507 591188 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Emmental < 1368107521 78004 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently featured language. < 1368107525 237855 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, give descriptions of each one of those commands and ill put em in ;) < 1368107559 215727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH why do you have a girl's name < 1368107593 6890 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am what you call...a genital morpher < 1368107621 205247 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mighty morphing genitalssss < 1368107629 348595 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaCro, DO loop, NAnd, LoaD, SCatter (like in MPI), HIgh (tri-state logic), Calvin Klein, ENable, and I think nu and gt are already defined. < 1368107643 689133 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote genital < 1368107647 740259 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :685) There.... is a box of Gardasil next to the butter in my fridge. At least my sandwich will be immune to cervical cancer *and* genital warts, I suppose. < 1368107660 944995 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1368107873 469409 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think derplang is turing complete atm < 1368107889 955449 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so. :P < 1368107908 124617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43:20: <-- i suspect the computers made for people that don't want to care about computers are eerily unconcerned with making programming easy hth < 1368107909 881483 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Minsky_machine probably! < 1368107911 881721 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing a couple bugs in implementation < 1368107913 114416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1368107924 48570 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mnoqy: How do you talk about rank-n types etc. in Haskell "categorically"? hth <-- i suggest asking at the n-category café hth < 1368107927 230293 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two registers, addition, subtraction, if/then, goto < 1368107944 33356 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: universe is a bitch < 1368107953 241635 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minsky machines feel like cheating < 1368107964 748616 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: wat < 1368107965 596823 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck are they ever TC < 1368107973 879843 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so easy... < 1368107986 497034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank-n-category café < 1368107996 437417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: are monoids cheating :-) < 1368108002 216612 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes:=-) < 1368108033 746636 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: because you can encode a stack of bits as an integer using something called "binary" hth < 1368108045 953424 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what's up with people making a brainfuck implementation in their lang to prove it's TC < 1368108063 892053 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: well sometimes that actually _is_ a good fit. < 1368108103 315846 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1368108112 986586 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that/bf/ < 1368108113 516178 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My little derplang is all grown up < 1368108176 150695 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added this to the wiki article < 1368108185 718023 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any Minsky machine can be translated into a derplang program using nu, ad, su, gt and it. Therefore, derplang is Turing complete. < 1368108186 880118 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: next step is to write a bf interpreter in it, and a quine, and 99 bottles of beer. < 1368108194 936739 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that enough of a proof or am i cheating too hard < 1368108208 572135 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the translation is super obvious... it'd be silly to write it there < 1368108309 858314 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: try fractran, it's like a minsky machine down to the bone < 1368108311 863268 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, And put them in the examples? :P < 1368108382 444480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I could pay oerjan to write down my programs instead < 1368108403 653130 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds implausible < 1368108412 631391 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: that's proper etiquette. < 1368108456 309380 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t_length = t_length - 1 -- Must do < 1368108461 784672 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a comment < 1368108484 477260 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrementum necesse est < 1368108509 510191 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceterum censeo t_length decremendum esse < 1368108513 994626 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1368108568 399340 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«C'passque t'as comme pas le choix d'enlever 1 à c't'affaire là, genre» < 1368108574 858566 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, :-) < 1368108647 630206 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from noble Latin to degenerate populare Québec French, you can comment in any style you like! < 1368108660 328938 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl++ < 1368108668 485227 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"create a language that is somewhat confusing and hard to remembe" < 1368108685 919319 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make the interpreter well documented, that allows people to more easily understand the language < 1368108688 602804 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't want that < 1368108789 616081 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience is that documenting esolangs better only marginally improves people's understanding of them. < 1368108842 15265 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, ! I fixed the co issue ! < 1368108854 606747 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the issue, actually < 1368108862 733523 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :st:foo:hi:st:coo:bye:co:z:foo:coo:ou:z: < 1368108868 47774 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't work, but now it does :-) < 1368108892 123058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368108899 63349 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushing the fix now < 1368108920 812245 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elseif t[i] == "fo" then < 1368108920 997548 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fo(t[i+1], t[i+2], t[i+3], t[i+4], t[i+5]) < 1368108925 615932 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five arguments? < 1368108940 203546 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think I was messing with that < 1368108946 335535 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forgot to fix D: < 1368108948 490771 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1368108951 807453 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I borked it < 1368108957 266509 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just ignored though < 1368108996 496065 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo:3:ou:A:ou:B: < 1368109000 828203 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ill need to send more arguments actually < 1368109001 642188 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just prints A B for me :( < 1368109013 978651 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can do more commands then just the single argument ones < 1368109015 468944 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1368109107 459937 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368109123 442284 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1368109129 551154 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: anyway, is fo broken? < 1368109135 721889 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1368109147 799199 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is better < 1368109155 448313 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec let me test < 1368109169 958964 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368109210 773812 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's just ignoring the first command or something?! did i break it < 1368109242 432311 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no man let me fix and ill push the fix < 1368109247 390157 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed :P < 1368109277 917244 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : decrementum necesse est ← working on porting the derplang interpreter to Lingua::Romana::Perligata? < 1368109285 963918 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pushed... nooodl_ enjoy < 1368109346 379175 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man. i don't know what's going on butr < 1368109352 243374 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but, right now, ou:a:ou:b: prints 'b' for me < 1368109362 918531 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i cannot say i am working, no. < 1368109377 744632 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, if they arnt defined it will print the literal string < 1368109603 109549 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, give me your codez < 1368109666 284454 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gotcha < 1368109677 75743 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text file had a UTF-8 header thingy in it < 1368109704 740751 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368109710 258221 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing it to read "\xef\xbb\xbfou" instead of "ou" < 1368109728 698731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: utf-8 boms "aren't a thing" < 1368109735 525501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only windows does that imo stop using windows < 1368109748 75228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the name of that brainfuck programming game < 1368109751 118172 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... boms it's awful < 1368109755 799104 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF joust? < 1368109760 159329 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! :D < 1368109764 688295 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1368109776 600162 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust EXTREME < < 1368109785 552550 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_EXTREME: 0.0 < 1368109806 478928 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any attempts on games for other languages? < 1368109817 615253 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust STRATEGY [-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]>[-]> < 1368109820 367852 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nooodl__STRATEGY: 12.0 < 1368109859 264594 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rle ([-]>)*-1 < 1368109861 908616 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_rle: 11.4 < 1368109882 108185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly STRATEGY is superior < 1368109888 629883 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1368109910 415963 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe account for the width of the playing field < 1368109932 627022 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, never mind, that shouldn't matter < 1368109943 880534 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust STRATEGY (>)*9([-]>)*-1 < 1368109946 852867 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nooodl__STRATEGY: 14.6 < 1368109989 927998 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Gregor add an extra underscore? < 1368110001 390036 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 NICK :nooodl < 1368110007 309406 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1368110009 549255 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh XD < 1368110142 936031 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would be the point designing a language without implementing? <-- to make one that is hard (or impossible) to implement hth < 1368110156 521696 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, you need to implement Eodermdrome hth < 1368110168 37276 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1368110170 649063 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1368110175 339313 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't there a language which needed time traveling? < 1368110179 848157 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki Eodermdrome < 1368110180 33614 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome < 1368110204 283370 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've written a quine < 1368110205 319541 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou:file_txt: < 1368110215 872604 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: twoducks (which exists, but is unimplementable) and feather (which is implementable, but doesn't yet exist) < 1368110224 358309 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, you like my language? You seem interested :P < 1368110232 818076 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how broken it is really < 1368110233 880367 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wtf @ feather < 1368110247 1991 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, xD I'm just gonna take that as a complement < 1368110327 286993 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly getting an urge to nominate feather as featured language < 1368110343 325925 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea < 1368110368 812119 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not entirely sure about that, FireFly < 1368110390 11501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll feature it last month. < 1368110431 280259 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ...that would have been appropriate, if it were possible. < 1368110448 142384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IT WAS A FEATHER JOKE HTH < 1368110455 252291 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1368110641 503743 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, So what now would you say, feature wise? < 1368110649 117373 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god. ou:hi:fo:2:dofile:derplang.lua: < 1368110661 307210 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1368110699 258747 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1368110705 638818 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't break my interpreter >_> < 1368110720 997177 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo: some kinda data structure that's more useful than just variables < 1368110724 774691 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can execute lua functions from within the derp script itself < 1368110727 446241 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays, or stacks, anything < 1368110740 462470 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you'll be able to implement brainfuck! kinda! maybe < 1368110740 739114 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :array is possible :P < 1368110750 309957 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacks? < 1368110751 977723 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1368110757 750507 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure on what that is < 1368110758 944742 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1368110783 948033 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368111075 955601 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:213:77ff:feaf:e1f6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368111923 651853 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: Coffee and cake < 1368112523 553880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368112955 551538 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368113071 672474 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1368113084 87996 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the computer afflicted with the graphics problems < 1368113421 987007 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do not know whether it is suffering from that particular malady < 1368113434 148030 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For it is afflicted by a far greater curse < 1368113630 929907 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A curse that reeks of familiarity < 1368113737 389144 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A curse I may have found a solution to < 1368113749 695862 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to bookmark things in links2? < 1368113780 282986 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, I've worked it out < 1368113785 216077 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1368113841 24404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good taneb < 1368113889 427655 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1368114178 563251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368114278 795348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368114355 248020 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368114542 298449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is taneb's computer torturing him in an entertaining way again < 1368115344 561 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : spam wouldn't be economical if you actually had to pay for the servers and bandwidth <-- wait does this mean you could theoretically get rid of the spam problem by buying compromised machine capacity for actually useful purposes, at slightly higher prices than the spammers can afford? < 1368115411 743716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bbc bought a botnet once < 1368115429 190840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7932816.stm < 1368115453 333477 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but you would have to do enough of it to drive up the prices globally < 1368115539 583774 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too high for the spammers to afford, yet too low for the sellers to be able to use the profit to correspondingly increase the supply < 1368115588 617018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds difficult :P < 1368115591 7384 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the downside is that it would still increase the profit of criminals. < 1368115634 824036 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i assume the compromisable computer supply is not unlimited. < 1368115722 46222 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at some point to increase the supply, the sellers would have to pay for servers and bandwidth. < 1368115879 502768 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1368115958 359507 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's pretty trippy that you can make an API call in your program that results in sending an image to some kid in bangladesh who looks at it, types in some letters in a foreign script, and then your API call returns < 1368116016 85197 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- did we discuss making captchas containing propaganda messages to those guys yet? pretty sure we did. < 1368116312 838828 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "how to use tor"? < 1368116394 806348 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe. < 1368116423 941612 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i was thinking of actual work advice. < 1368117096 44567 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1368117321 944239 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368117362 988483 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHINESE GRAPHICS CARD PROBLEM RESOLVED < 1368117408 795740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368117424 960640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368117431 99645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, the chinese graphics card problem got resolved? < 1368117436 767193 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1368117438 676516 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solved it < 1368117441 696391 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I solved it again < 1368117446 970135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only took what, a year? < 1368117459 721958 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Year and a bit, I think < 1368117477 474515 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:213:77ff:feaf:e1f6 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368117493 592050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1368117509 386216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368117636 132192 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric is always on topic, for some values of "#esoteric", "is", and "on" | Chinese graphics card problem resolved! (Again!) | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1368117671 471585 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you deserve some kind of a price < 1368117703 954471 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368117704 706516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about £5 < 1368117713 131834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: was it really a year < 1368117723 641170 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think so < 1368117742 23939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it felt like a month maybe < 1368117894 381137 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the first problem arose on or shortly before the 16th of January this year < 1368117900 599594 :boily!~boily@161.30.23.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368117901 214413 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, maybe 4 months < 1368117970 60358 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just under 4 months < 1368118310 54047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1368118461 346689 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee NICK :purgative < 1368118545 985879 :boily!~boily@161.30.23.202 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368118607 969439 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368119393 908310 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: Later < 1368119398 89683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the problem Taneb < 1368119415 720093 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a series of graphics card driver issues < 1368119449 30442 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Originally because I had a bootleg graphics card from a dodgy website which only came with Chinese-language instructions < 1368119458 339904 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the name. < 1368119546 404450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368119563 659133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368119840 810477 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw someone do if(file.is_open() && file.good() && !file.fail() && !file.bad()) with a std::ifstream :( < 1368119893 679571 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it kind of makes me sad < 1368119910 699602 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could remove everything from "someone" to "with" and it'd be equally sad. < 1368119950 14807 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You'd rather have printf? < 1368120007 905745 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh*, I don't have my silly-language-debate shoes on. < 1368120104 980004 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, let's assume this guy has to (worse?: wants to) use C++ here. Would you rather use printf in C++? < 1368120143 718386 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1368120145 560623 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1368120194 411813 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1368120207 402119 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the crap you get < 1368120224 640369 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368120255 832908 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap recycling is good for plants. < 1368120866 259530 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368121458 578509 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368121595 538682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1368122028 220487 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1368122156 567331 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368122519 531370 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1368122586 260465 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368122789 507448 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man what's a non-awful place to learn C++ < 1368122837 512594 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably one in which the first line of code isn't "using namespace std;" < 1368122855 481675 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Like really basics? < 1368122859 421696 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more advanced < 1368122859 680602 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1368122874 727387 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read "the C++ programming language" < 1368122878 575047 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368122892 102113 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then read "effective C++" for the template stuffs < 1368122912 659984 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mostly interested in the template stuffs; maybe i should start there and see if it makes sense to me < 1368122953 750844 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean other than templates it's really just "C with OOP" isn't it) < 1368122961 394622 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait if you really want templates < 1368122968 442100 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read this awesome book < 1368122971 805181 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's online too < 1368122992 188575 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Modern C++ Design" or something < 1368123003 284238 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on < 1368123083 198917 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's this book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_C++_Design < 1368123173 159354 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to be online < 1368123176 925353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ FAQ Lite is pretty good < 1368123182 616945 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I've got a japanese version if you want < 1368123246 132624 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's online http://sfzx.yangtzeu.edu.cn/downloadfile/20121116085836841.pdf < 1368123346 357595 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I am not sure whether this is legal or not, probably not) < 1368123448 950159 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing no < 1368123492 550730 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well google shouldn't provide me with such data! < 1368123678 153387 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368123862 792442 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368123873 587623 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368123973 924031 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368124083 584361 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368124161 904993 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait for the cicadas to hit full force < 1368124380 128645 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368124400 33948 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cicadas are the beef of insects: they're huge and don't really move most of the time. < 1368124423 576229 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368124512 719576 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368124572 575831 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368124605 559850 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: are these cicadas in the real world < 1368124892 940186 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah < 1368124920 531747 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 17 year cicadas just started emerging recently in the warmer parts of the US < 1368124926 511260 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :East coast, anyway < 1368124929 300567 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome! < 1368124982 888401 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty excited. It's like seeing a comet except I might be able to experience it with hypothetical future children < 1368124983 728684 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the west coast ones out of phase with the east coast ones? < 1368125031 780059 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find my headphones < 1368125033 498048 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are any west coast ones, but there are broods out of sync with each other even across the eastern half of the country. This just one of the bigger ones. < 1368125034 92917 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125037 199515 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know if they live out on the west coast < 1368125039 108897 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor can I find my bank card < 1368125042 601296 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be worried? < 1368125048 41859 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magicicada < 1368125060 639436 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best genus name, too < 1368125076 515463 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is. < 1368125109 947774 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the imps took them as payment for fixing the CGCP hth < 1368125259 648868 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many of these hypothetical 30 broods, however, have not been observed. Furthermore, two of the brood numbers assigned by Marlatt (Broods XI and XXI) existed at one time, but have become extinct." < 1368125280 276210 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I had never heard of cicadas before moving to Indiana. I think they simply don't exist in the west, periodic or otherwise. < 1368125355 165967 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that sounds right. I can't remember ever hearing about them out west, but I know all about them from my southern relatives and occasional encounters at home (though where I am in New England doesn't seem to get them muc) < 1368125359 322317 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much < 1368125377 402264 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year appears to be listed as Brood II < 1368125383 563881 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125386 45153 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"East Coast Cicadas" < 1368125391 510173 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1368125392 168511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125397 319748 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"East Coast Brood" < 1368125408 707239 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably the largest there < 1368125411 189830 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. It's one of the really huge ones < 1368125430 203202 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only a kid the last time it happened, but I remember it being a pretty big thing :D < 1368125486 182212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thunderstorm of the year. Heh < 1368125489 344246 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm lagging hard from joining a lot of channels :/ < 1368125677 742865 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theoretically, the Cicada, collected at the proper time and suitably dressed and served, should be a rather attractive food. The larvae have lived solely on vegetable matter of the cleanest and most whole-some sort, and supposedly, therefore, would be much more palatable and suitable for food than the oyster, with its scavenger habit of living in the muddy ooze of river bottoms, or many other animals which are highly prized and whi < 1368125694 638272 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-37-180.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125706 269418 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have not half so clean a reco." < 1368125731 179422 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368125735 463308 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, you only get a chance to eat them once every 17 years, which makes them a snob's delight. < 1368125739 451650 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna eat so many cicadas < 1368125746 401382 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dat xylem < 1368125770 990186 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could collect a bunch, freeze dry them and sell them as snacks for 17 years. < 1368125784 623033 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125794 455558 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor the mercantile genius < 1368125815 174559 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as nobody else thinks of it, you would have zero competition for 17 years! < 1368125818 781569 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Client Quit < 1368125824 759444 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: Zero buyers) < 1368125836 605177 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125854 408258 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0 = infinite demand < 1368125876 118614 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368125896 610582 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125896 881533 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm like 85% convinced that that's how economics works. < 1368125902 996950 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368125922 576993 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368125935 603588 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn straight < 1368125961 948408 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. COBOL < 1368125991 407595 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368126017 627886 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368126074 277129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: fix ur conection < 1368126102 673807 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to switch clients to hexchat because i heard it was good < 1368126110 842058 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it kept crashing < 1368126121 56163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it fucking sucks! i uninstalled it < 1368126124 990855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hexchat made in hexham < 1368126128 104558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why its good < 1368126131 571250 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368126194 287201 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: irssi all day < 1368126207 256036 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi sucks < 1368126210 94729 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat is better! < 1368126319 405739 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I didn't much like weechat. It was okay, but I wasn't blown away by it. I'm willing to be convinced, though < 1368126383 116633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Experiment: There may be confidential content in your search results. Please do not share outside Google." < 1368126386 127424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1368126392 132808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got this when searching on youtube < 1368126406 280463 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the confidential content < 1368126408 423051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1368126409 416498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have no idea < 1368126419 96652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm REALLY CONFUSED < 1368126421 242541 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368126421 418656 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty confidential. < 1368126423 202010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the results just look normal < 1368126426 436900 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/xokalomamo.pas < 1368126442 189328 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/rasoqunune.derp < 1368126443 505291 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-37-180.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1368126464 208636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously what the fuck < 1368126467 462101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's showing on every search < 1368126471 385011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm trying to part mcmap to Haskell again < 1368126496 84171 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it possible you're a manchurian candidate < 1368126501 95597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you get a warning < 1368126503 554680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you search for shit on youtube < 1368126518 718300 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, i get the warning. < 1368126535 639061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't share!!!! < 1368126537 34722 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes I do < 1368126546 862652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeeelp < 1368126549 820162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we being targetted < 1368126560 971266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck would confidental content even be < 1368126567 924404 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I also get it < 1368126574 119645 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/b testing really grates sometimes < 1368126933 833245 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368127032 674191 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1368127137 57702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but seriously. < 1368127139 310528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make any sense. < 1368127144 959382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what confidental information would go in youtube search results. < 1368127151 252313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they say "please do not share outside google" < 1368127170 106715 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i've seen a few videos that would probably get me in trouble in some governments, but < 1368127213 62261 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clips of wars and stuff < 1368127226 590512 :BillyZane!~Billy@ip68-7-202-160.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368127272 141162 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1368127293 860963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i can't tell if you're being serious or not < 1368127300 880944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a weird thing to refer to as "confidential content" < 1368127301 315224 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :semi-serious < 1368127307 155619 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not that serious" < 1368127338 660221 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's personalized or something < 1368127381 620343 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :He I got that same message < 1368127381 856524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but... what would *that* mean < 1368127388 207973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google have confidential videos of you?? < 1368127388 901082 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use youtute though < 1368127400 772540 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it as youtube doesn't know who I am < 1368127401 39654 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368127403 3760 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know (of) a guy who got an NYT article and a croatian government response from information he gleaned from youtube videos < 1368127415 441307 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tor + no javascript + no cookies = no identity ?) < 1368127437 408506 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No flash too! < 1368127440 384516 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No java! < 1368127442 175357 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sound! < 1368127462 574647 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell uses java online < 1368127472 79555 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anymore < 1368127489 495276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: okay but... do not share outside of google?? < 1368127492 807025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it even mean to share inside google < 1368127495 831754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i am not a google employee < 1368127499 415967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not talk to googlers < 1368127510 46082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they don't mean like... only share this confidental info(??) on google+ < 1368127526 385673 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ddg'ing < 1368127540 323365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the relevance but okay < 1368127554 501179 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i figured they meant like, just don't talk about these search results < 1368127581 959389 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: DDG all the way. Have my default search set to DDG-HTML-NoJS < 1368127583 98632 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm ddg'ing what it's supposed to mean < 1368127593 566883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish translation says "try:" instead of "experiment:" < 1368127597 915885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well that would make some kind of sense as part of like an A/B trial < 1368127602 81401 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Same here, + HTTPS of course < 1368127606 70570 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though !g'ing didn't tell me anything, either < 1368127609 604954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but (a) do they actually say that? wouldn't that have the opposite of the desired effect?? < 1368127609 900768 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Of course < 1368127612 372721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, experiment as a verb < 1368127626 418803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) when you talk about confidential stuff it sounds like there's a Reason not to share outside google???? ok i just can't get past how < 1368127630 305510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a word of it makes any sense to me < 1368127635 167474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc do you understand it < 1368127656 706701 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368127702 179318 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sincerely cannot figure out what it's supposed to mean < 1368127719 103326 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I know why I am a part of this strange experiment but no tech bloggers are < 1368127720 99205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perhaps it's just a translation error) < 1368127751 205375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: well i haven't seen this message before, like, today < 1368127754 451491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did google for it < 1368127760 329000 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me, neither < 1368127760 633361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's just too new to have any coverage yet < 1368127780 3767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean testing random new stuff on an unsuspecting portion of users is common < 1368127784 110484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is so weird < 1368127793 410169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also given that 100% of us have seen it it might be something everyone is getting? < 1368127796 697497 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spoken to some other people that get the same message < 1368127804 881782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's an attempt at making more users share youtube videos? by claiming they might be secrets? < 1368127811 821072 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-98.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368127821 844479 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although some other don't get it apparently < 1368127823 18989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe elliott sounds like they think your account is an internal google account < 1368127825 582954 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, all my sikrit let's plays and Haskell videos, y'all < 1368127831 159601 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1368127839 525550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right *that* was the only way "outside of google" could have made sense to me < 1368127848 375809 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i got it and a guy in a totally different area got it, so this is quite the fuckup < 1368127859 431060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: could they really fuck up that badly and leave it up for more than like < 1368127860 557875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two seconds though < 1368127861 735635 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if so) < 1368127864 796866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean surely they know it's happening < 1368127868 468460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely someone at google actually uses youtube < 1368127868 654086 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1368127869 95387 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also get it through random proxies < 1368127870 747764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1368127873 704898 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1368127873 890174 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest asked 1d 5h 41m 40s ago: I was reading some of the emulator code, and I wondered why the dcpu isn't inheriting from device itself? < 1368127874 75646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they're accustomed to seeing it < 1368127874 761000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh < 1368127876 806021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely they have testers < 1368127877 611389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1368127878 210370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff < 1368127885 423996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait what should i google to try and find secret internal videos < 1368127902 829780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait they wouldn't be used to it? because "experiment" < 1368127907 976378 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'domination plan 2013' < 1368127911 83580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to go insane thinking about this < 1368127919 624505 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is a social experiment < 1368127924 211992 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how much panic can we cause" < 1368127945 617411 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how crazy can we drive one elliott < 1368127949 929139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, do you see how that "experiment" could be a verb < 1368127950 934710 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS MY YOUTUBE GOT HACKED ALL MY VIDEO RESULTS ARE ZEITGEIST < 1368127967 57046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, try our new "find the confidential information video" game? < 1368127970 38957 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: The device abstract class is meant for a device that can be attached to the DCPU. A DCPU can't really be attached to a DCPU because of reasons < 1368127984 570934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't care < 1368127986 211821 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to sleep < 1368127999 325679 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: "Because of reasons" is my favorite explanation for anything. I used it on my boss, once < 1368128002 878608 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scans elliott with a crackpot-entiometer... *beep*... *beep*... *beep*... < 1368128019 741906 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: I agree, but shouldn't you have another container then that is composed of all devices? < 1368128031 554310 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because what if you have multiple CPUs? < 1368128044 673373 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368128054 235762 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, bye < 1368128058 690817 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you! < 1368128065 489135 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: :D < 1368128070 921484 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1368128082 772506 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had a long chat with Google Ideas on the phone today, and they are looking into implementing some changes on Youtube that would make it easier to do my job, so it'll be fun if they actually go ahead and do it." hmmmmmmm < 1368128094 217610 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT : < 1368128377 368485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that from < 1368128394 868556 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday, so it's probably too soon to be relevant < 1368128440 509931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the famous mr. yesterday < 1368128469 736845 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the beatles song < 1368128878 511256 :Dandalion!~Dan@209.118.213.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368128898 922344 :Dandalion!~Dan@209.118.213.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy moly... I just read the wiki on brainfuck lol what kind of language is this!! < 1368128934 974209 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368128949 739253 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1368128963 223720 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing complete with only 3 cells, yo < 1368129016 701296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind, indeed. < 1368129085 879643 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what planet is this *drum solo* < 1368129162 463415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, someone I follow on Tumblr has posted about the Youtube thing < 1368129165 420143 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pandemic < 1368129179 146393 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I hate you. you instantly earwormed me. < 1368129203 194270 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god someone outside #esoteric is talking about it < 1368129207 843136 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're trendsetters < 1368129211 910962 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddabuddabuddabudda < 1368129245 350428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope we were literally the first place on the internet to mention it < 1368129248 829948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes famous < 1368129330 278468 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inform the blogosphere! < 1368129341 63343 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dandalion: brainf*ck is what happens when someone tries to write the easiest language to interpret possible, while still being Turing complete < 1368129342 67845 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the joke is that there isn't a drum solo < 1368129364 520630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is always a drum solo < 1368129369 279812 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually get easier than Brainfuck. < 1368129371 408346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: and then takes out a letter? < 1368129378 265992 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes! < 1368129381 900379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC systems are freaking easy to interpret. < 1368129382 298037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :br*infuck < 1368129388 41968 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1368129401 731565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Experiment%3A+There+may+be+confidential+content+in+your+search+results.+Please+do+not+share+outside+Google.%22&aq=f&oq=%22Experim&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 < 1368129405 933401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368129408 239506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet noticed < 1368129420 195468 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, Brainfuck is *rather* easy to interpret. < 1368129424 362029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 mins ago – I got this while looking up penile implants? < 1368129428 518427 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man there were only two results when i googled before < 1368129430 381210 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, Urban Mller tried his best < 1368129436 219654 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdugSUFbzws < 1368129439 364269 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1368129441 74154 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1368129456 276363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: Well, he did have an interpreter size target rather than "the absolute simplest". < 1368129468 711563 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought brainfuck's goal was small /compiler/ < 1368129471 901342 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i thinking of something else < 1368129477 5253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1368129491 502168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, it was a compiler. < 1368129496 990306 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh right, you are correct < 1368129505 806689 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1368129516 129866 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a 240 byte compiler. < 1368129524 327028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is easier to compile than to interpret < 1368129534 375817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1368129540 345744 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's not especially hard to interpret. < 1368129579 236583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the only difficulty in writing an interpreter is finding matching brackets < 1368129597 856906 :Dandalion!~Dan@209.118.213.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368129621 204743 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard it would be to write, eg, a MIBBLLII compiler < 1368129628 979313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo google owe me a job for misleading me with this message < 1368129644 83214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get my confidential info's < 1368129758 437515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368129776 499734 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey today's a scientologist holiday < 1368129782 569238 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anniversary of Dianetics going on sale < 1368129809 352210 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1368129843 227110 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368129843 684475 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck on the bridge of total freedom, everyone!!! < 1368129852 294147 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone except lambdabot < 1368130089 417751 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368130110 378258 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: uh... may your thetan be light... and fluffy... and echo its quadrillions of years of existence... and recall its... original godly powers? < 1368130117 63182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot was a suppressive person < 1368130139 135463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this channel is secretly for scientologists, sorry anyone who wanted esoteric programming < 1368130307 7862 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :may your thetans be clear < 1368130375 835079 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://splasho.com/upgoer5/ < 1368130381 97847 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone write a monad tutorial in here < 1368130398 680991 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tons of fun < 1368130413 488579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1368130427 647238 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UH OH! YOU HAVE USED A NON-PERMITTED WORD (MONAD)" this might be trouble < 1368130449 676327 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use single quotes for definitions < 1368130452 601262 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 'monad' is a < 1368130482 513149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UH OH! YOU HAVE USED A NON-PERMITTED WORD (SHITTY) < 1368130484 663581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible task < 1368130498 437892 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :steele did a talk once where he started out using only monosyllables and built up vocabulary as he went < 1368130503 480501 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, shitty must be in the top thousad < 1368130510 326387 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i saw that! it was neat < 1368130512 489887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but 'shit' is < 1368130526 299623 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1368130529 854959 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: UH OH! YOU HAVE USED A NON-PERMITTED WORD (NEAT) < 1368130537 342410 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 'monad' is a thing full of shit < 1368130539 831018 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there does that work < 1368130547 514120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/al.html < 1368130562 279264 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like, he's explaining some stuff, and then "I will go on, but first, let me define some more numbers. Forty is four times ten." etc < 1368130580 739055 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :D < 1368130640 464426 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i wonder how simple english wikipedia does at monads < 1368130680 969989 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368130682 801917 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nooodl: Is this it? http://cs.au.dk/~hosc/local/HOSC-12-3-pp221-236.pdf < 1368130683 538234 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368130691 880042 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1368130696 941481 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1368130720 516281 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i watched the video < 1368130725 55818 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a video too yeah < 1368130729 279385 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't got no time for your reading shit < 1368130735 36223 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'ain't' in the top thousand < 1368130740 331870 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ahvzDzKdB0 < 1368130756 362783 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Bike :( < 1368130776 541940 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it < 1368130784 441271 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: reading is the best! and also faster than talking < 1368130811 967056 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no page "Monad" on this wiki. John Dee: He wrote Monas Hieroglyphica ("The Hieroglyphic Monad ") in 1564 (about Kabbala and alchemy ). He also wrote the preface to the first ... < 1368130933 395123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo reading sucks < 1368130935 564875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard < 1368130976 633932 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you are currently communicating with a text-based medium < 1368130989 801454 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 'function' is a thing that turns one or more things into a new thing. (This is called 'applying' a 'function' to its 'arguments'.) < 1368130997 163407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i don't read anything anyone here says because it's all shit < 1368131000 826665 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 'functor' is a thing that acts as a wrapper (or 'context') for other things. Anything in the 'Functor' type class knows how to use 'fmap', a 'function' that 'applies' another 'function' onto each thing inside the wrapper. < 1368131020 102677 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you just read the sh*t I wrote in order to respond to it < 1368131022 590835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/4654974/HITBSecConf2008_-_Malaysia_Videos___Day_2 I found where that guy's talk was but there's no seeds :< < 1368131028 371142 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 'monad' is a 'functor' with two more 'functions' on it: 'return' and 'join'. 'return' gives you the thing you pass it, inside a wrapper that is as simple as possible. 'join' takes a wrapper that has more wrapped things inside it, and puts the inner things inside the outer wrapper. < 1368131040 713322 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love wrappers < 1368131044 417167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i literally can't reply seriously to any statement you make that bowlderises a curse word. it's the most ridiculous thing. i'm sorry < 1368131057 772870 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahaha my evil plan is working < 1368131061 280354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowlderises... what's the proper term for asterisk-based censorship < 1368131062 205846 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are thatotherperson's messages being passed through a filter < 1368131068 613873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not strictly "bowlderisation" really < 1368131068 799045 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshiterises < 1368131068 984915 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: disemvowels hth < 1368131106 234322 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is sh*t even a curse word? I mean, it just means excrement < 1368131116 911780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fuck even a curse word? i mean, it just means sex < 1368131140 135168 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather strange, I agree < 1368131142 221405 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copulate you mothercopulator < 1368131143 206660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wow where even is .sx < 1368131149 471397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sint maarten... < 1368131151 581064 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I have no idea < 1368131156 290771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long until the pirate bay runs out of countries < 1368131159 615352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To Americans, yes. < 1368131174 761031 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's still the netherlands < 1368131177 610715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeee, found it! < 1368131179 899621 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, sorta. < 1368131181 375255 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://splasho.com/upgoer5/?i=DFNaoJ9hLJDaVTymVTRtp29lqPOiMvO0nTyhMlO3nTIlMFOcMvO5o3HtnTS2MFOuVUEbnJ5aYPO5o3HtL2ShVUE1pz4tnKDtnJ50olOiozHto2LtqTuyp2Htq2y0nPO0nTHtqUyjMFOiMvO0nTHtqTucozptp3E1L2fto250olOcqPOuozDtnJLtrJ91VTuuqzHtLFO3LKxto2LtqUIlozyhMlO0nTyhM3ZtnJ50olOxnJMzMKWyoaDtp29lqUZto2LtqTucozqmVTShMPOuoUAiVT9hMFOiMvO0nTImMFO3nKEbVUEbMFO0rKOyVT9zVUEbMFOznKWmqPOmo3W0VT9zVUEbnJ5aplOmqUIwnlOioaEiVTy0YPO5o3HtL2ShVT1un2Hto25yVT9zVUEbMKAyVUqcq < 1368131181 560514 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TttqTuyVUE5pTHto2LtqTuyVUAyL29hMPOmo3W0VT9zVUEbnJ5aplOmqUIwnlOioaEiVTy0YvOHnTIlMFOupzHtoJShrFOiMvO0nTImMF4tITuypzHtnKZto25yVT9zVUEbMKAyVUEbLKDtoTI0plO5o3HtnTS2MFOgLJ55VUEbnJ5apljto25yVUEbLKDtoTI0plO5o3HtoJS5LzHtoz90VTuuqzHtLFO0nTyhMlOuqPOuoTjtLaI0VT1urJWyVTuuqzHto25yYPOuozDto25yVUEbLKDtoTI0plO5o3HtqTSfnlO0olO0nTHtq29loTDtqT8tp2IyVUqbLKDtqTucozptrJ91VTuuqzHu < 1368131185 723651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb........... < 1368131186 322652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb < 1368131188 111388 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfFMKAeFfK8&list=PL5963D975D2395CA3 < 1368131189 567077 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb < 1368131191 425374 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That permalink thing sucks < 1368131199 528583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it literally just encode what you typed in < 1368131200 781560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the url < 1368131203 779220 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try a URL shortener < 1368131205 618569 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just encode the entire page into the url < 1368131208 117890 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's my guess < 1368131218 343597 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1368131223 517395 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/DcjX5 < 1368131248 967022 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo taneb's explanation is < 1368131249 754517 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a run-on sentence par excellence, sir. < 1368131252 442722 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000x more confusion < 1368131279 914727 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh are these [] Maybe and IO < 1368131284 382790 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cute < 1368131291 944224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tim shachaf is doing an "a m a" < 1368131304 624147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous for: designing adventure games, #esoteric < 1368131311 127155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is, etc.) < 1368131334 9207 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that monad tutorial is even almost true < 1368131373 841984 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/joeshachaf < 1368131392 219828 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should've really used 'monad' more instead of 'one of these' < 1368131404 74366 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, I felt like that was cheating < 1368131489 450842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of you haven't played the first two monkey island games also (so i can pester you to on a semi-regular basis) < 1368131502 986795 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1368131505 280278 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1368131512 115810 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only played the first one < 1368131512 821670 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1368131524 378050 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you send me a copy for N64 < 1368131529 890631 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please pester me about playing the second one semi-regularly < 1368131580 76385 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was monkey island the one where you stood on a ball and rolled around < 1368131580 725164 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. < 1368131589 253190 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's super monkeyball < 1368131601 923603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: the second one is better than the first < 1368131608 442198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by quite a bit < 1368131608 961000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played that either < 1368131613 728295 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in monkey island you don't actually play as a monkey, shockingly < 1368131639 354812 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe when monqy's around i'll tiredlivestream it < 1368131643 26611 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1368131650 922665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: imo play it when not tired < 1368131654 510627 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy island < 1368131659 640604 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy island < 1368131660 803621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: also i've been pestering monqy to play them < 1368131664 813370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't spoil him!! not allowed < 1368131669 716645 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be: monqy island < 1368131669 965089 :purgative!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1368131682 372015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell is monqy < 1368131688 328285 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows < 1368131693 340916 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the beauty of monqy < 1368131716 512234 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like non-existing competition. we'll have to settle that. < 1368131725 575938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort of sucks that CRTs are dead < 1368131735 850578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now everything low-resolution looks like jaggedy crap < 1368132234 844534 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't help that scalers tend to be implemented really poorly. < 1368132505 561760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day I will accept that I don't have to like everyone and not everyone has to like me and I will stop feeling horribly guilty about this < 1368132517 224365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patpats kmc  < 1368132563 440728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo people who don't like kmc are lame < 1368132568 20004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying < 1368132657 505026 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1368132675 319512 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still hard to deal with sucky people. < 1368132734 959532 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to avoid them and hope for the best < 1368133157 206918 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coursera Improvisation Class Assignment 01 https://soundcloud.com/jki/coursera-improvisation-01 < 1368133168 130348 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody doesn't like me < 1368133285 833854 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: btw he was lying to you; his real name is Ulysses hth < 1368133290 693688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an athelete! < 1368133326 219236 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, actually his name is Odysseus, sneaky fellow < 1368133364 579924 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, you're the second person who's told me that in two days! < 1368133368 477600 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be true < 1368133441 659994 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Nobody doesn't like molten boron < 1368133609 371318 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: neat < 1368133629 990850 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, this old amiga stuff < 1368133654 987467 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? amiga < 1368133660 687860 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :amiga? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1368133779 782907 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1368133794 624048 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368134186 216744 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1368134201 728623 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368134403 777748 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368134523 923259 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1368134527 40366 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 NICK :nooodl < 1368134928 959129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hi you know about midi right < 1368134952 258409 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some. < 1368134971 762578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is fluidsynth or timidity better < 1368134981 332682 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluidsynth, by far, but it's buggy as fuck. < 1368135004 435602 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :timidity won't crash on you, but it's not going to get you any better MIDI than you could've gotten out of Windows 95. < 1368135045 328815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i LOVE windows 95's midi though < 1368135099 370059 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :passport.mid < 1368135139 387296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. Get me my wavetable sound card. < 1368135168 8760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay why is scummvm not audioing properly...... < 1368135225 561715 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the C spec guarantee that chars are stored as ASCII? < 1368135228 574545 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: webmidi uses fluidsynth, for whatever that's work. < 1368135230 662325 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: No. < 1368135239 966173 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :rats, thought not :/ < 1368135241 244444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: right < 1368135246 493791 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thanks < 1368135249 860882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay not even the pc speaker emulator mode works < 1368135277 770462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission denied < 1368135280 770748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1368135283 286071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1368135287 621116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to be in a group i'm not or something < 1368135308 913283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard something about you don't need the audio group with systemd or something < 1368135316 20452 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm that means stuff like, for (c = 'a'; c <= 'z'; c++), is undefined behaviour < 1368135322 670745 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute + i love C < 1368135330 555439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: digits are guaranteed to be in order though < 1368135331 892930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not UB < 1368135334 413771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation defined behaviour < 1368135363 973494 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : do i need to be in a group i'm not or something <-- probably < 1368135378 360080 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Debian it's "audio" < 1368135395 347545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1368135397 701036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's owned by group audio < 1368135405 70448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i swear when i upgraded and systemd came in < 1368135410 202171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff said to remove your account from all groups like that < 1368135414 845384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're unnecessary now????? < 1368135428 65356 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... no? < 1368135431 198730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo what's the REAL story, alsa was an inside job < 1368135439 73920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Adding your user to groups (sys, disk, lp, network, video, audio, optical, storage, scanner, power, etc.) is not necessary for most use cases with systemd. The groups can even cause some functionality to break. For example, the audio group will break fast user switching and allows applications to block software mixing. Every PAM login provides a logind session, which for a local session will give you permissions via POSIX ACLs on audio/video < 1368135448 882292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably got cut off < 1368135470 885051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: alsa was the reichstag fire that brought pulseaudio to power < 1368135472 353315 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me :) < 1368135608 623120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's truly inspiring how quickly i can demolish a bag of candy < 1368135624 274514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm teaching children everywhere to succeed < 1368135659 903195 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368135748 801339 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to go, kmc < 1368135779 368048 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube videos stopped loading < 1368135790 673809 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe im getting arrested because of all that illegal content in my search results < 1368135812 186108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :da fuzzzz < 1368135924 66969 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S CONFIDENTIAL DON'T TELL ANYBODY < 1368136099 585590 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/video/time-announces-new-version-of-magazine-aimed-at-ad,17950/?utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt&utm_campaign=butt < 1368136755 785823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt < 1368136796 696595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1368136800 879470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :utm_source=butt < 1368137767 299962 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368137767 561693 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1368137767 746962 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368137785 985487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368137884 225748 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368137958 592951 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1368137969 875093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, i found my old copy of flanimals < 1368137972 471558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such memories < 1368137977 473099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them stupid < 1368137995 107050 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1368138286 290415 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368138398 551093 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.22.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368138435 431666 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ..... < 1368138453 770822 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a flanimal? < 1368138464 163790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an animal except shit < 1368138557 154680 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1368138598 753789 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's gonna be my new language... < 1368138603 237411 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it... "." < 1368138629 308430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a valid mw title, unfortunately < 1368138638 961717 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1368138644 476542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am going to take that name first < 1368138651 637441 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead :P < 1368138655 970303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"." is a brainfuck derivative where the only instruction is . < 1368138660 443520 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you implement it it means less work for me. < 1368138678 585555 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-190-154.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368138684 9851 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, each . stands for a byte in memory < 1368138689 76078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368138694 281642 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only memory you get is 100 .'s < 1368138699 99638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only valid character in a program file is . < 1368138720 20010 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1368138720 855323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :upon execution, . outputs the ascii code corresponding to the current tape cell < 1368138736 811006 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about white space ^_^ < 1368138746 228686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :illegal < 1368138759 243150 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to start implementing a new, stupider language soon. < 1368138763 153173 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derplang was fun! < 1368138774 761723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation: tr "." "\x00" < 1368138778 310691 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see a need to continue though :P < 1368138788 283432 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I was thinking something like... < 1368138799 666040 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$..!.!..!..@@@#$$$!@ < 1368138813 169149 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure a language is like that already < 1368138822 161960 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to think of something better < 1368138937 633968 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :peruse, ponder, produce, perpetrate. < 1368138943 223909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to make a boring language to claim a funny name, might as well do it with gusto < 1368138990 836436 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a language do EVERYTHING except for what you tell it not to do. < 1368138995 633094 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ;D < 1368139119 205113 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the wiki, think about what you have not seen yet, do it, start from beginning. < 1368139176 493828 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're thinking about doing a bf derivative, remember that you have seen it. very seen it. < 1368139193 930823 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No dude < 1368139202 430284 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to learn brainfuck because its everywhere < 1368139209 46819 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there 10000 bf derivatives < 1368139217 292178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know < 1368139218 280503 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-131-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's really easy to make one. < 1368139219 765362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't know < 1368139231 215825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that < 1368139231 518652 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay well, VIVA REVOLUTION < 1368139238 300827 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :follow me if you want to live!(away from bf) < 1368139245 274734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you back the Hoover Final Solution for bf derivatives < 1368139263 901657 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1368139274 910565 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.179.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the soln. < 1368139295 78426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for substitutions at least < 1368139300 636239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we make a big table on the wiki < 1368139306 103855 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so confused...not sure if I'm tired, or too much interested in code to pay close attention < 1368139323 905268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listing the name, what they rename the instructions to, the author, and some implementation < 1368139335 150353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can just have one unified implementation for all of them < 1368139340 983123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then delete all the mainspace pages < 1368139349 764923 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-190-154.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368139351 573977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah but that would kind of detract from the mockery < 1368139382 398621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put at the top "any of these languages can be implemented with " and then have all the vanity interpreters the authors write below it < 1368139434 857586 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a language that was made to be used for a very specific purpose :P < 1368139438 402362 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do that. < 1368139543 480606 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Great Unified Theory of Brainfuck Derivatives. < 1368139567 752881 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with sparkles and shiny equations and morphisms with sequins) < 1368139573 869068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368139596 478463 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a language made for bashing brainfuck < 1368139657 621374 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no. the original is quite good. < 1368139725 538773 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's just...a turn off that theres so many derivatives. < 1368139732 435803 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... < 1368139737 224149 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric language? like brainfuck? < 1368139770 499503 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just that it is that awesome @.@ < 1368139953 263570 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368140336 886536 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 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