00:00:15 they aren't my 'real initials' 00:00:16 but thanks 00:00:56 Keegan McAllister? 00:01:18 so km 00:02:41 Mc is one letter 00:03:33 yep 00:04:32 imo "mc" counts 00:04:45 i mean nobody complains about Richard M'Stallman's choice of nick either 00:05:24 c_c 00:05:33 Eric Sraymond 00:06:14 Richard Matthew Stallman? 00:06:34 Eric Steven Raymond? 00:06:40 no i definitely got it right 00:06:51 oh, right, of course 00:06:53 Silly me 00:06:54 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 00:06:59 elliott: rms stands for raymond m smullyan hth 00:07:19 Eric S. Smullyan 00:08:48 Eric Smullyan Smullyan? 00:09:02 arnold smullyan smullyan 00:09:31 Smullyan Smullyan Smullyan 00:09:37 Bike Smullyan Smullyan 00:10:12 Oh that's a real person? 00:10:42 "yes" 00:11:09 wait why the quotes? Does that mean he is only a nominally real person? 00:12:11 -!- tswett has changed nick to ts. 00:12:17 Aw, this nickname is registered. 00:12:19 -!- ts has changed nick to tswett. 00:12:43 So, about that World Trade Center. 00:13:02 Apparently the electrical service it received was 13,800 volts. 00:13:04 its initials are far inferior to kmc's, imo 00:13:14 That's kind of a lot of voltage. 00:13:30 kmc's initials are btm13, right? 00:13:37 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 00:13:41 -!- ThatOtherPerson has changed nick to wtc. 00:13:45 it's kind of a lot of building! 00:13:45 wow really 00:14:05 it's registered 00:14:10 -!- wtc has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 00:14:53 tswett: that seems like a standard distribution voltage 00:15:05 basically just means it was big enough to have its own substation 00:15:20 Is it a standard distribution voltage? 00:16:13 So this says that a refrigeration plant in the North Tower provided air conditioning to the entire WTC complex. 00:16:44 So I guess there were just ducts, presumably underground, carrying the conditioned air to the other buildings? 00:16:45 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:16:51 or chilled water 00:17:04 Haskell was a person 00:17:07 o rly 00:17:11 Did they use radiator systems? 00:17:20 it's common for a campus of buildings to have central heating, cooling, and power systems linked to the buildings by tunnels 00:17:33 Hm. Would chilled water really work for air conditioning? 00:17:45 Doesn't A/C dry the air as well as cooling it? 00:18:01 tswett: That's just a side effect of how the heat pumps work. 00:18:03 I think water is what district heating and cooling usually use 00:18:10 It's not a *necessary* thing. 00:18:13 it's not always desirable either 00:18:25 Though it is beneficial in some climates. 00:18:32 we had a lot of fun running around in the steam tunnels at Caltech 00:18:42 drawing maps, finding locked doors and the keys that would open them 00:18:51 I guess you might want cold in something with a lower freezing point though 00:18:57 Steam tunnels are fun because if you break open a steam pipe, you die. 00:18:58 did you just go to university in a fucking adventure playground 00:19:04 Phantom__Hoover: basically 00:19:13 In other climates, you can actually use evaporative cooling and *increase* the humidity. ... Thereby increasing comfort. 00:19:16 i want to go to caltech just from hearing kmc talk about his antics 00:19:16 tswett: they're not very easy to break though 00:19:24 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 00:19:24 elliott: i hear it sucks now, they got an Evil Dean who hates fun 00:19:30 Evil Dean 00:19:48 like on TV 00:19:57 i cannot conceive of a scenario where i would actually end up at caltech anyway so that is okay! 00:20:05 kmc: is it true that real human beings call that 'vadding' 00:20:15 i keep forgetting how in america you actually have to cool buildings down 00:20:40 they disbanded the satanist house :/ 00:20:48 kmc, elliott can oust him w/ antics & friendship 00:20:56 actually you need a bit of A/C pretty much everywhere 00:21:15 fsvo need 00:21:43 Phantom___Hoover: so how hot does it get in the middle of your summer? 00:21:47 Phantom___Hoover: that's only in parts of america 00:21:51 tswett, lemme put it this way 00:21:57 'vadding'? 00:22:02 i have yet to find a city with colder summers than edinburgh 00:22:13 kmc: for 'roof and tunnel hacking' 00:22:21 McMurdo Station, of course. 00:22:47 Bike: i haven't heard it 00:23:07 norilsk is actually slightly colder, by a couple of degrees 00:23:15 we had chilled water pipes in the tunnels but I don't know if they were used for cooling buildings or just for lab purposes 00:23:18 probably both though 00:23:25 Edinburgh seems pretty mild. 00:23:32 the biology buildings had these gigantic ventillation caverns that were used to keep a net flow of air into the building 00:23:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:23:36 somehow 00:23:42 so that if the ebola virus got out they could contain it 00:24:14 so were they just going to keep the ebola in a big cave 00:25:27 hmm, a net flow into the building should be constantly increasing the pressure inside 00:25:32 Sure enough, Edinburghan summers are cooler than San Franciscan ones. 00:25:38 yeah I don't know how it works tbh 00:25:43 maybe they had a filtered outflow somewhere 00:25:44 what, like negative pressure? 00:25:44 protip: don't let the ebola virus get out 00:25:49 maybe the building just expands to keep the pressure sane 00:26:24 the caverns are actually at a million billion bar 00:26:29 I'm not sure that's the right direction of pressure though 00:26:31 if someone opens a window the ebola gets out and that's the opposite of what you want 00:26:35 they just didn't really think it through 00:26:55 just to confuse you more, there are suits that work like those buildings 00:26:57 the building should be pulling air in and through the ebola filter 00:27:11 olsner, sounds like that's what they're doing? 00:27:22 Obviously they just chill the air until it becomes a liquid, thereby reducing its pressure. 00:27:37 And then they probably launch it into space. 00:27:43 hm, what's caltech's BSL rating 00:27:51 also someone recommend me an irc bouncer 00:27:57 that isn't znc 00:28:17 Quassel. 00:28:50 nope, no BSL-4 in cali 00:28:54 you're lying to me kmc 00:29:09 mebbe 00:29:19 where the ebola!!! 00:30:03 imo it's cool that we have like eradicated shit just lying around places 00:30:05 ok i'm pretty sure they didn't actually have ebola 00:30:18 the rest is from rumor I was told, that I never bothered to validate 00:30:22 elliott: the smallpox thing is just terrible 00:30:31 there was a website with a ton of great photos of the steam tunnels but it's gone now :( :( :( :( 00:30:33 like 00:30:34 What smallpox thing? 00:30:36 just in case anyone ever needs some smallpox 00:30:38 JUST IN CASE 00:30:48 there was 80 years worth of murals and bad angsty poetry down there 00:30:49 tswett: there's a US facility and a russian facility that have smallpox samples for no good reason 00:30:55 Hm. 00:31:01 Yeah, that does sound kind of silly. 00:31:09 how hard is it for a biology student to "accidentally" construct some ebola in the lab nowadays? 00:31:11 the russian facility is called VECTOR and this is apparently some kind of abbreviation? like, lol 00:31:18 olsner: 'construct'? 00:31:26 Have they sequenced smallpox, and if so, have they released the code online? 00:31:42 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 00:31:47 they have sequenced it, and i think you can get it online maybe 00:31:56 VECTOR sounds a bit like a bond villain biolab 00:32:10 doesn't it? 00:32:18 although it would be something like BEKTOP 00:32:35 soviet facilities accidentally killed a few hundred of their employees with various diseases at points too 00:33:18 Hm, what was that one game called. 00:33:20 ah right with anthrax 00:33:26 good antigen 00:33:36 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:33:48 I think it was KOCTPYKTOP. 00:34:02 kosbytop 00:34:08 KOHCTPYKTOP, apparently. 00:34:08 constructor? 00:34:26 Yeah. 00:34:35 Bike: imo they have polio samples in case they ever want to kill the other 00:34:39 "In KOHCTPYKTOP: Engineer of the People, you play as an engineer working in a semiconductor factory designing integrated circuits based on specifications provided to you. What does it have to do with communism? You’ll have to play to find out!" k 00:34:47 it's like both nations having a bunch of nukes so they can rest in peace 00:34:51 in the non-dead sense 00:35:18 except with your skin being covered in painful scabs instead of having your face melt off, yes 00:35:32 imo, smallpox looks gross 00:35:51 Did they eradicate polio? HTH. 00:36:15 the only two eradicated diseases are smallpox and rinderpest. 00:36:37 rinderpest? 00:36:43 a disease of cattle. 00:36:43 ThatOtherPerson: Cattle disease. 00:36:49 ah 00:36:50 i think it's pretty great we managed to kill all the smallpoxes 00:36:51 Do they also have rinderpest samples lying around somewhere? 00:37:02 Hm, I don't think so. 00:37:04 yes 00:37:07 The Hindu goddess Shitala was worshipped to prevent or cure smallpox. 00:37:08 tswett: Yes. 00:37:09 very specific god 00:37:11 dess 00:37:11 we must be ready to strike against the enemy cattle 00:37:13 It's... nice that they got rid of that disease for the cows. 00:37:19 "To kill a people, kill their cows.", as they say 00:37:20 It was only destroyed in 2011. 00:37:35 we would have eliminated polio by now, but antivaxxers 00:37:48 (aiui, at least) 00:37:49 Also the CIA. 00:37:54 It was eradicated due to being a big problem.. 00:38:04 Like, there was talk of using it for bioweapons. 00:38:06 ThatOtherPerson: Sometimes people need cows to live. 00:38:32 Well, not necessarily "need", but it's nice to have them 00:38:42 So are there, like, multiple different prion diseases? Caused by different prions? 00:38:47 tswett: Yes. 00:38:48 yes 00:38:59 Do all of them mainly affect the nervous system? 00:39:15 if you want polio you can just go to pakistan or nigeria 00:39:18 ThatOtherPerson: Necessarily need, sometimes. 00:39:24 tswett: Yup. 00:39:40 Is that just a massive coincidence or what... 00:39:43 Yeah 00:39:45 Maybe all the prions are homologous or something. 00:39:49 kmc: i've always wanted polio 00:40:16 elliott: wat 00:40:31 oh 00:40:37 Sorry, didn't see the context 00:40:41 tswett: Beats me. 00:40:48 tswett, might be a particular feature of the nervous system rather than the prions 00:40:56 Though looking at it, apparently there are documented fungus prion diseases. 00:41:20 It's probably like how many if not most useful toxins are neurotoxins of some sort. 00:41:24 In fungi, prion diseases cause the organism to grow a brain, which then ceases to function. 00:41:33 Plus other diseases don't hit the brain so much, because of the barrier. 00:41:34 No. They just cause other issues. 00:41:53 tswett, i honestly believed you there for a second 00:41:54 Just much less bad than vertebrate prion diseases. 00:42:42 * Sgeo kept reading prison instread of prion 00:42:46 "All known mammalian prion diseases are caused by the so-called prion protein, PrP." 00:42:58 and "All known prion diseases affect the structure of the brain or other neural tissue" 00:43:01 i read that as PHP 00:43:06 So, it's a *single protein* misfolding? Well that'd do it. 00:43:09 php prison diseases 00:43:11 So... does it misfold in multiple different self-propagating ways? 00:43:18 and I was not surprised to read that PHP was responsible for mad cow disease 00:43:22 tswett: Apparently. 00:43:43 "The precise structure of the prion is not known, though they can be formed by combining PrPC, polyadenylic acid, and lipids in a Protein Misfolding Cyclic Amplification (PMCA) reaction." 00:43:45 tertiary protein structure is pretty fucked so 00:43:47 That's a good idea. We should do that. 00:44:04 I used to think PHP was great. Then I wrote a website in it. 00:44:42 I used to think PHP was 'the way' to do stuff on the web 00:44:48 As in, everyone used PHP 00:44:55 the one true P 00:44:59 I have this weird mentality of wanting to know what, actually, is used 00:45:01 Yeah, that's what I thought too. 00:45:11 Still have it 00:45:18 Sgeo: mostly visual basic, some opencobol 00:45:20 What is 'the language' for desktop applications 00:45:30 etc. 00:45:37 Objective-C, of course. 00:45:45 At least, I think that's what Apple wants people to use for the Mac? I'm not sure. 00:45:53 Does Objective-C have advantages over C++? 00:45:56 tswett: yes. 00:46:07 By the way, the second worst thing ever is Objective-C++. 00:46:16 (for the apple wanting to use it for the mac) 00:46:29 (I have no idea how it is compared to C++) 00:46:32 Objective-C is C with objects. C++ is C with objects. Objective-C++ is C with objects, with a second, completely incompatible type of objects. 00:46:40 C++ isn't C with objects at all 00:46:43 The worst thing ever is, of course, Hitler. 00:47:11 All right. Objective-C is C with objects. C++ is C with lots of stuff, including objects. Objective-C++ is C with lots of stuff, including objects, and objects. 00:47:14 GODWIN'S LAW 00:47:17 Where's xiuquan in this scale 00:47:30 ThatOtherPerson: see, I said that Objective-C++ is not as bad as Hitler. 00:47:38 That means I automatically *win* the argument. 00:47:45 ah, right 00:48:00 Of course, there wasn't an argument. 00:48:39 someone in ##crypto was complaining that it's hard to find good programmers in .no 00:48:42 well he won it anyway 00:48:44 they aren't part of the EU 00:48:57 i don't know if it's hard to get work visas for EU people 00:49:59 "Citizens of EU/EEA countries (including the UK) do not need a work permit in Norway" 00:50:09 http://www.norway.org.uk/Embassy/faq/moving/ 00:50:57 So basically, Objective-C++ is two languages in one? 00:51:03 Or is it three languages in one? 00:51:04 ah 00:51:17 it's two object systems in the same language, for sure 00:51:25 since the ObjC and C++ object systems are very different 00:51:26 That's just weird. 00:51:34 yes, it's Not Recommended 00:51:39 clearly we need message passing in C++ 00:51:46 i'm sure boost has a library for that 00:51:48 Well, other languages have multiple object systems, but not included standard 00:51:48 my impression is that norway is boring, cold and expensive, while not actually paying *that* much considering how expensive it is (speaking of programmers in norway) 00:51:53 Tcl, Scheme 00:52:01 (Well, Tcl 8.6 now has a standard OO system) 00:52:01 Well, I think GCC does support Objective-C and Objective-C++, so you can still write program in it and make it work, but for many things C is good enough. 00:52:02 olsner: and what is sweden 00:52:15 says something about clos, goes back to reading about diem being a shithead 00:52:23 I suppose you might need Objective-C++ if you somehow need to use all of those features mixed up? 00:52:24 elliott: less boring, less cold and less expensive than norway 00:52:42 how much less can be argued 00:52:53 what about finland 00:53:03 * ThatOtherPerson leaves for ice cream land 00:53:16 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: MERRILY IN ICE CREAM LAND). 00:53:31 I wonder what the smallest self-powered flying machine is. 00:53:43 elliott: insufficient data 00:54:04 There are dragonfly bots that are pretty small. 00:54:35 It looks like the RoboBee (which is apparently the smallest flying machine, but is not self-powered) uses flapping wings. 00:54:47 define self-powered 00:55:13 Capable of flying without an external power supply for some amount of time. 00:55:29 paper airplane 00:55:33 or a ball 00:55:38 Or a rock. 00:56:39 But yeah, let's say that "flying" must involve propelling itself upward and increasing the total of its potential and kinetic energy (but not necessarily at the same time). 00:57:02 tswett, some small volume of helium or something i should think 00:57:04 I guess rocks can do that, too. 00:57:19 Toss a rock upward into an air stream that is also moving upward. 00:57:59 if you mean "able to support itself on its own aerodynamic lift in still air" then idk 00:58:12 Yeah, I like that definition. 00:58:48 Though I think helium still satisfies that definition, doesn't it? 00:59:00 no, it doesn't support itself by aerodynamic lift 00:59:11 Now that a security hole in a third-party service has been fixed, I wonder if it's ethical to reveal it 00:59:14 * tswett nods. 00:59:20 Sgeo: why wouldn't it? 00:59:21 Or at least, supposedly fixed. Sure looks fixed. 00:59:55 I guess it's a valid question. I'm not totally sure. My watch needs a new battery. 01:00:58 what about antigravity? that should count imo 01:01:14 Do helicopter rotors count as antigravity? 01:01:26 Does "no" count as "yes"? 01:01:35 yes 01:02:36 How about magicopters? 01:03:11 That's not a portmanteau of "magic" and "helicopter"; that's actually how the word would be formed from Greek. 01:03:17 imo my definition is going to give the most interesting answers anyway 01:03:18 I think helicopter rotors are aerodynamic not antigravitic 01:03:22 From "magikos" and "pteros". 01:03:30 technologic 01:03:52 i mean, you want to know what the limit of miniaturisation of planes/helicopters/birds is, right 01:03:55 my impression is that there are a lot of good programmers in .fi but maybe just abnormally many of them are on IRC :) 01:03:56 What is antigravity, anyway? The reduction of the gravitational force exerted on an object? 01:03:58 discuss 01:04:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoPplpBPQxQ 01:04:17 I imagine there are abnormally many Finns on IRC. 01:04:31 RAISE YOUR HANDS, FINNS! 01:04:43 ☝ 01:04:54 if you want a 'limit of miniaturization' there's always, you know, insects 01:04:56 p. small 01:05:13 I wonder what the smallest possible flying machine is. 01:05:25 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/11/30/how-fairy-wasps-cope-with-being-smaller-than-amoebas/ 01:05:39 P small, apparently. 01:05:41 Bike: flying insects are above that limit of miniaturization, hth 01:05:45 I... what.... 01:05:48 200 μm long wasp 01:05:54 I wonder if you could make one that's just, like, the size of a typical protein. 01:06:00 Smaller than an amoeba... a single cell..? 01:06:02 which makes it smaller than many single-celled organisms 01:06:12 it destroys most of its cell nuclei to save space 01:06:13 cells vary in size 01:06:14 a lot 01:06:15 Are amoebas particularly large? 01:06:20 yes 01:06:25 Ah, ok 01:06:40 And I guess so are Paramecium? 01:06:52 there are single celled organisms that can "fly" because at that scale gravity isn't the prevailing force 01:07:24 giant squid nerve cell is 12 meters long 01:07:39 wow, this thing is amazing 01:07:39 I guess a sufficiently small object would have a difficult time determining which way is down. 01:08:09 you have nerve axons in you that are like a meter long right now 01:08:18 So, as far as mammals go, humans are broken in at least one way. 01:08:22 there's also the point that for sufficiently small values of 'machine' you can probably stay aloft on brownian motion alone 01:08:29 We can't make vitamin C. That part is broken. 01:08:40 christ, this thing still have several thousand neurons? that's way more than a nematode 01:08:42 So that makes me wonder, are there any mammals that aren't broken in some way? 01:08:48 Phantom__Hoover: yeah, that's what i meant with the single cells. 01:08:52 tswett: you have a strange idea of 'broken'. 01:09:03 I do? 01:09:18 also idk if that thing flies by 'aerodynamic lift' 01:09:18 Yeah. How is not making vitamin c a problem? 01:09:25 It causes scurvy. 01:09:49 And too much vitamin c makes you sick too, so what? 01:10:03 Are we broken for not being autotrophic? 01:10:07 Do some animals suffer from vitamin C excess, sometimes? 01:10:08 mammals are broken because they can't generate their own energy with no external input 01:10:10 some squid have axons that are wider than a millimeter 01:10:24 basically what ph said 01:10:25 so I realized why this channel is amazing 01:10:29 it's in a perpetual flamewar 01:10:38 coppro: no it's not 01:10:41 By "broken", I mean "lacking some adaptation which the great majority of mammals have". 01:10:50 Bike: fuck you 01:10:59 iirc the humboldt squid wins in axon diameter 01:11:05 You're... not going to get far on that criterion. 01:11:12 Bike: I'm not? 01:11:18 olsner: what's its axon diameter? 01:11:29 Well. No. Are you expecting some kind of mammal conglomerate? 01:11:31 plants aren't autotrophic either, they've just imprisoned chloroplasts to do the dirty work 01:11:37 mammal mafia 01:11:40 band name 01:11:41 That would entail a lot of adaptations that are pointless for various niches, too... 01:11:55 our album covers would just be big photos of breasts 01:11:56 Hm, true. 01:12:01 i hear that kind of thing sells pretty well 01:12:05 I mean, personally, I'm pretty okay with female humans not having pseudopenises. 01:12:12 kmc: i saw them open for port authority once 01:12:15 By "broken", you should mean "have the gene for it mutated in such a way that it doesn't function." 01:12:22 Bike: I prefer real penises, so yeah. 01:12:29 pikhq: have you ever boned a hyena 01:12:32 No. 01:12:36 And I don't want to. 01:12:37 imo try it out 01:12:46 D: <--- this is my hyena boning face 01:13:00 i hope you all know about hyena reproduction because it's pretty amazing 01:13:05 It is. 01:13:14 Indeed, the proto-mammal probably had tons and tons of adaptive traits. Pretty much the only way a mammal could have all of the proto-mammal's adaptations would be to, like, not have evolved. 01:13:20 I've even talked about it with a biologist. 01:13:22 pikhq: but yeah, I like that definition of "broken". 01:13:34 Hyenas are carnivorans, right? Are they dogoids or catoids? 01:13:38 Well, my not-making-vitamin-c genes are working just fine 01:13:40 Dogoids, I'd think? 01:13:49 Feliforms, actually. 01:13:59 Huh. So they are catoids. 01:14:00 Weird. 01:14:07 Their dog-like traits are apparently just convergent evolution. 01:14:18 What episode of new Doctor Who should I watch 01:14:21 Somewhat bored right now 01:14:24 tswett: iirc all of the big axon diameters are "like over a millimeter" 01:14:31 you'll have to repeat my research to get more specific numbers :) 01:14:49 What taxonomic rank is Carnivora? 01:14:58 And, for that matter, Mammalia? 01:15:03 Who cares, the ranks don't mean jack. :P 01:15:14 pikhq's an experienced taxonomist i see 01:15:18 animalia may rule the day in #esoteric but fungi will have its revenge! 01:15:19 * tswett wikipedia 01:15:27 mammalia is a subgroup of vertebrata, which is a subgroup of chordata 01:15:31 Carnivora is an order in the class Mammalia. 01:15:34 fungot: is Dickinsonia an animal or a fungus? 01:15:34 kmc: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this world are places like that. a peaceful. hah! you think you are? coming and going out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! 01:15:36 can't be assed to remember the ranks 01:15:41 I should continue watching season 1 or something 01:15:43 Bike: are they normal subgroups? 01:15:48 nope 01:16:06 tswett, no, by application of lagrange's theorem 01:16:23 Meh, I have other things I could be doing 01:16:26 Reading about web sec 01:16:38 Sgeo: how's your life going, by the way? 01:16:48 the exciting frontier of reading about web sec 01:16:50 Good. 01:17:02 Feels like it's better now that I can spend money on what I want 01:17:22 Oh right, do you have a job now? 01:17:34 oh right, germ layers 01:17:39 stupid hierarchy 01:17:40 Sgeo: you might enjoy http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/yahh/ (from the tangled web author) 01:18:08 is this a metaphor for websec 01:18:08 fungot: who's really a tricycle? 01:18:08 olsner: you! take! we find! help! no human's gonna talk we had soldiers searching for! i've come to save you! who the heck are you?! c'mon!! 01:18:13 soon, the quatrosomia will evolve, and destroy us all 01:18:19 kmc, my browser window is too small... 01:18:26 ^style 01:18:27 Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 01:18:29 with their three asses, we will know no peace 01:18:38 ct = category theory? 01:18:44 chrono trigger 01:18:45 Sgeo: well make it bigger 01:18:47 good guess though 01:18:47 oh wow 01:18:51 amazing 01:19:03 olsner, this is where that sword alone can't stop came from 01:19:10 also fungot's various death threats to me 01:19:10 Phantom__Hoover: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now... 01:19:20 ^style enron 01:19:20 Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) 01:19:23 fungot: lets' get high 01:19:24 kmc: at the time, you mentioned the party on december 03, 2000 01:19:28 some kind of past fling with fungot, no wonder you get death threats ph 01:19:29 Bike: rate is not what we don't you talk that that the their site did not do any days next years training... it's an accepted practice on thursday we traded 850) 224-9634 and obtain instructions as to the shipper of any provision of the price to the legislature the generators to the internet for free. 01:19:37 Yes. 01:19:40 o.O 01:19:44 It did misjudge though 01:21:03 kmc, so how does this work 01:21:31 the targets you're shooting at are links with a:visited { border-color: pink; } 01:21:46 haha 01:21:52 so it can tell which ones you can see, by which ones you click on 01:22:16 So if you misclick and hit an invisible target, it might think you've been to websites you've never been to 01:22:21 right 01:23:20 "Your browser window is too small. Try at least 900 x 750 or so." not even possible, grand 01:23:35 Phantom__Hoover: the example in The Tangled Web is a "captcha" consisting of a 7-segment display made out of links, so the number you type in indicates which sites you've visited 01:23:41 Bike: how tiny is your monitor... 01:24:03 anyway i like these hacks because they involve covertly exfiltrating information THROUGH THE USER'S OWN BRAIN 01:24:13 x600 01:24:30 So you know that xkcd question about the resistors and a knight's move? 01:25:16 is that the physics problem he uses to kill a physicist crossing the road? 01:25:21 Yeah. 01:26:08 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 01:26:16 I have a feeling that whether the two points are a knight's move away or just one square away doesn't change much to the complexity of the problem 01:26:34 Apparently the answer is 4/pi - 1/2. 01:26:59 Koen_, making it a square away adds an extra symmetry to the problem 01:26:59 AM I SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE YOU 01:27:09 hmm maybe 01:27:12 Well, yeah. 01:27:14 which can massively simplify this sort of thing 01:27:34 cf. any attempt at deriving useful electrodynamics from maxwell's equations 01:27:36 The symmetry group of the original graph is the cyclic group of order 2. 01:27:45 still there's an infinity of possible paths for the electricity 01:27:49 And the symmetry group of the one-square-away graph is the Klein four-group. 01:27:50 I think. 01:28:04 it's D_2 isn't it? 01:28:22 That's not the same thing? 01:28:44 It is. 01:28:54 So yeah. C_2 and D_2, I guess. 01:29:18 ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ALGEBRAIC GRAPH THEORY? 01:29:23 Koen_, right but you don't need to consider as many different infinities of possible paths, if that makes any sense 01:29:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:30:25 I don't know it really looks like a lot of possible paths 01:30:48 Well, the number of paths is... 01:30:52 Do infinitely long paths count? 01:31:46 yes, but infinitely little (or there wouldn't be a limit) 01:31:54 tswett: how do you sensibly define infinitely long paths? 01:32:16 Why would a site like, say, PutLocker have links to localhost? 01:32:53 coppro: a pair of infinite sequences of nodes, where adjacent nodes are adjacent (...so to speak), the first sequence begins at A, and the second sequence begins at B. 01:32:55 idiot developers 01:33:09 My gf left apache running for a while by accident and the access logs seem to suggest that Putlocker referred to stuff on localhost 01:33:20 classy 01:33:29 Or maybe you have to make the sequences' limit points be the same. 01:33:38 Where the permissible limit points are all the nodes, and infinity. 01:33:45 which infinity 01:33:49 this is a two-dimensional grid 01:34:09 The infinitely-far-away-from-A infinity. 01:34:16 http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath668/kmath668.htm if anyone's not reading it right now 01:34:24 oh http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2013/05/some-harmless-old-fashioned-fun-with-css.html is the writeup about that 01:34:30 A sequence has a limit point at infinity if and only if its distance from A approaches infinity. 01:34:47 tswett: that's factually incorrect 01:35:41 -!- kmc has set topic: IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! | Habemus Debiam! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 01:35:51 tswett: try some multivariable calculus and then come back, mmkay 01:40:15 Factually incorrect? 01:40:19 yes 01:40:22 I can't just define limit points at infinity however I want? 01:40:26 well you can 01:40:36 but the thing you described is not a limit point at infinity 01:40:45 and non-standard definitions suck 01:40:51 especially one with such terrible properties 01:40:56 * tswett nods. 01:50:31 are we really a constant flamewar? that's the opposite of how i think of this channel 01:50:54 So what's the correct definition of a limit point at infinity? 01:51:58 a constant icewar 01:52:00 excellent question! 01:52:05 Is there a countable Hausdorff topology on the integers? 01:52:14 Where a countable Hausdorff topology is a topology that is countable and Hausdorff. 01:52:45 kmc: more like a constant lamewar!!!!!! 01:53:27 elliott: fuck off and die in a hole, hth 01:53:59 kmc: i love you too 01:54:07 ♥ 01:54:12 tswett: really? I thought countable Hausdorff topologies were integral domains of finite cardinality 01:55:14 tswett, does countable mean first-countable or something else here 01:55:35 first-countable? what? 01:55:37 Uh, it means just plain countable, I guess. 01:56:05 kmc, how dare you suggest we're a constant flamewar! That's the most ins... ok, I'm sorry, I'm bad at flaming people 01:56:32 i already did that joke sgeo! 01:56:44 tswett, oh so the actual topology itself is countable 01:56:47 stupid overloaded terms 01:56:58 wait, maybe locally countable? 01:57:11 Countable, fcol. 01:57:34 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 01:58:07 Phantom__Hoover: stop imposting 01:58:22 wait, how is second-countable a stronger condition than first-countable 01:58:26 I'm still curious about the flamewar thing, where's this supposed flamewar? 01:59:21 oh, wait, duh 01:59:23 * Phantom__Hoover facepalm 02:00:14 Hm. I think that Hausdorffness means that given any two finite, disjoint collections of elements of the space, there is an open set containing every element of the first collection and no element of the second. 02:01:02 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:01:31 Ooh, maybe I've got it. The rational numbers where the open sets are unions of open intervals with rational endpoints... nope, there are uncountably many of those. 02:01:47 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 02:03:03 How about, mmm... the open sets are all sets of the form { a + bn | n \in N }? No, that obviously doesn't satisfy the union criterion... or the intersection criterion, either. 02:03:40 How about saying that the open sets are the periodic sets? There are only countably many of those. 02:03:58 Do they satisfy the union criterion... nope, pretty sure they don't. 02:04:54 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:05:27 -!- augur has joined. 02:05:43 Consider the set of all multiples of perfect squares. 02:06:19 Clearly that's a union of periodic sets, but it's not periodic. 02:08:23 All right, there must be infinitely many open sets, so any basis for the topology must have infinitely many elements... I don't think that helps. 02:11:23 -!- sashaFrog has joined. 02:11:49 -!- augur_ has joined. 02:12:10 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:13:28 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:16:18 tswett: for every pair of integers, there must exist open sets that separate the two 02:16:49 Yup. That's what "Hausdorff" means, isn't it? 02:16:51 Let O_n be an open set containing n but not n+1. 02:16:58 hth 02:17:11 -!- sashaFrog has quit (Quit: Page closed). 02:19:03 Hmm. 02:19:12 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:21:17 So, using infinite union, we can, for any n, find an open set containing all integers less than n. 02:21:35 Indeed, given any set, it has an open superset. 02:21:35 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 02:21:56 coppro, so wait: 02:21:58 ...That fact is completely trivial. 02:22:08 hah 02:22:25 consider the set of sets of suitable O_n for all N 02:22:49 wait, no, that won't work 02:23:37 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:24:34 * Phantom__Hoover → sleep 02:24:37 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:24:45 coppro: yeah, I don't got it yet. 02:26:02 you can biject the integers and the open sets 02:26:03 hth 02:28:05 All right. O_n is an injection Z -> tau. So the important thing here must be a surjection Z -> tau, or an injection tau -> Z? 02:28:27 I feel like I should be able to do something akin to Cantor's diagonalization argument here. 02:33:48 -!- ais523 has quit. 02:42:06 -!- Zerker has joined. 02:43:47 elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Remote_Password_protocol is sort of an example of a zero-knowledge proof that isn't probabilistic 02:44:09 tswett: easier way 02:45:54 kmc: cool 02:46:42 ofc there's still a probabilistic element in that an attacker can guess the password or the ephemeral private keys 02:47:03 but the attacker doesn't get to make another guess without another interaction with the real client or server 02:47:19 yeah 02:54:32 coppro: ##math hasn't managed to solve this problem yet. 02:55:07 -!- augur has joined. 02:58:41 I was too lazy to actually solve it myself 02:58:49 but the phd student in the room did it so meh 03:09:08 coppro: all right, a guy in ##math found a solution. 03:09:33 In a Hausdorff space, given an infinite open set, you can find two disjoint open subsets of it, one of which is infinite. 03:09:53 Using this, you can create an infinite sequence of pairwise disjoint open sets. 03:10:04 And, using that, you can find uncountably many open sets. 03:10:30 the other way is to define S_n such that n \in S_n but k \notin S_n for k < n 03:10:37 (by finite intersection) 03:11:47 How does that help? 03:12:14 then for any finite set, reorder so that it comes first, and then take \bigcup_{n > k} S_n 03:12:26 (given that the fixed set is all integers <= k) 03:12:34 so you have every cofinite set 03:12:43 but the cofinite topology is not Hausdorff 03:13:01 then I forget the last step 03:13:06 madb4rd: ok well I definitely find kick-ass way better than super 03:13:08 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:14:02 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:15:18 -!- Zerker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:15:34 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:16:49 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:17:14 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:17:36 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:25:32 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:25:59 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:26:20 -!- TodPunk has joined. 03:31:18 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:31:38 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:33:05 -!- augur has joined. 03:37:04 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:37:25 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:41:53 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:47:25 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:47:35 -!- Zerker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:47:57 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:48:16 -!- Zerker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:48:39 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:52:54 -!- Zerker has quit (Read error: No route to host). 03:53:13 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:54:37 -!- Zerker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:54:56 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:56:03 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:56:28 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:58:22 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:58:57 -!- Zerker has joined. 03:59:56 -!- Zerker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:00:37 -!- Zerker has joined. 04:01:03 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:01:29 -!- Zerker has joined. 04:02:53 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:03:24 -!- Zerker has joined. 04:04:37 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:04:59 -!- Zerker has joined. 04:10:07 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:14:25 uh. 04:15:16 Hmm. I wonder if anyone actually installed Windows 95 from 5.25" disks. 04:17:06 can we ban him already 04:17:17 he's personally responsible for an entire hour of no one saying anything 04:17:20 what the hell happened 04:17:54 MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK BERZERKER 04:18:13 well it's obviously over now 04:18:18 it is 04:18:23 but Zerker deserves to be banned for it 04:18:30 are you suggesting banning someone for having connection issues 04:18:31 also for bouncing in and out every 2 minutes 04:18:38 yes 04:18:43 they were probably not even at their computer at the time 04:32:46 -!- mnoqy has joined. 04:35:38 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 04:42:51 shachaf: TIL that calling CPUID from 32-bit fPIC code is tricky because the compiler reserves %ebx for the base whatever pointer 04:43:34 you just have to mark it as clobbered, right? 04:43:48 oh. because inline asm constraints. 04:43:58 it won't let you go load ebx back later... eeesh that's frustrating 04:44:27 I guess you could do like push ebx; cpuid; mov ebx, %0; pop ebx; 04:44:32 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 04:44:51 can you spot what's wrong with this code (it's super subtle and took me a while): 04:44:54 asm volatile("push %%ebx; cpuid; mov %%ebx, %0; pop %%ebx" : 04:44:57 "=m"(id[0]), "=d"(id[1]), "=c"(id[2]) : "a"(0) : "memory"); 04:45:17 (i say shachaf: out of Tradition but I'm really talking to the channel at large) 04:46:01 it doesn't output eax? 04:46:17 shachaf: I do that too 04:46:39 shachaf: Well, naturally. It's Tradition. 04:47:25 Fiora: CPUID(EAX = 0) puts the processor brand string in EBX,EDX,ECX 04:47:29 oh 04:47:31 "GenuineIntel" or whatever 04:47:43 No '\0'? 04:47:45 CyrixInstead, duh 04:47:45 nope 04:47:49 copumpkin++ 04:47:51 you only have 12 characters 04:48:02 12 octets, anyway. 04:48:06 shup you 04:48:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPUID#EAX.3D0:_Get_vendor_ID has a list 04:48:23 "AMDisbetter!" 04:48:36 it doesn't mark eax as clobbered? I'm not sure 04:48:40 this is hard >_< 04:48:43 I had a cyrix "200+" back in the days when I first tinkered with cpuid 04:48:48 Well, eax is the input. 04:48:52 Fiora: eax is an input so that's ok 04:49:10 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 04:49:26 mov %%ebx, %0 looks suspicious. 04:50:22 Hmm, no, that seems right? 04:50:26 Hmmm. 04:51:08 Oh, wait, you said *PIC* code. 04:51:18 id[0] needs to be indexed relative to the base pointers. 04:51:28 getting close, yeah 04:51:34 but in my case it was a function-local variable 04:51:48 -!- ogrom has joined. 04:51:54 Okay, so it's passing in a stack offset. 04:52:09 And when you push ebx, the stack offset is off. 04:52:13 yep! 04:52:57 push ebx; cpuid; mov ebx, eax; pop ebx 04:52:59 :) 04:53:29 And obviously specify "=a" as an out param. 04:54:58 Oops, am I running Debian Stable now? 04:55:28 Clobbers the EAX thing, but if you don't care, you don't care. 04:57:01 anyway that took me a good long while to figure out 04:57:18 kmc: ooooooh 04:57:19 Makes sense. You wouldn't even look at that unless you knew there was a problem *right there*. 04:57:24 That's tricky 04:57:29 And yeah, it is tricky. 04:57:32 nice one spotting it 04:58:19 doing stack manipulation in inline asm sounds really tricky 04:58:32 kmc: a related thing I remember is, like, let's say you have inline asm that does something like 04:58:35 "call func" 04:58:41 and you set up all the constraints accordingly and do it all correctly 04:58:49 it'll break horribly on x86_64 anyways. 05:00:00 I wonder how many people dislike KDE and use Chrome, and dislike MS and IE and use AJAXy websites 05:00:00 hm, why? 05:00:13 Sgeo: essentially every human being on planet earth 05:00:23 the red zone 05:00:25 also everyone on the international space station 05:00:27 shachaf: running debian stable transports you five years into the past 05:00:54 ♫ danger zone! 05:01:40 because the function can use the area 128 bytes below the stack 05:01:46 for temporary variables 05:01:52 and 'call' writes to that area, possibly overwriting some of them 05:01:59 and gcc doesn't know that you did that 05:02:13 kmc, hmm, I'm confused. I don't think most human beings know what KDE is? Or are you referring to the general concept of disliking X but using Y that's derived in some way from X? 05:02:19 I don't know if there's any way to fix it other than just disabling the red zone >_< 05:02:26 or like. sub esp, 128 call add esp, 128 05:02:53 how does the red zone work again? >_< 05:03:00 ummm 05:03:06 I think it's just "you're allowed to use the area down to esp-128" 05:03:22 so that functions don't have to do 'sub esp' if they're leaf functions 05:03:30 and their temps fit in 128 bytes 05:03:32 i see 05:03:33 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:03:42 it's only on unix64 though, not windows, I think 05:04:02 win64 has its own weird thing, the "shadow space", I think 05:04:20 which I think is that the stack looks like this: 05:04:37 [return address] [32 empty bytes (shadow space)] [stack param0] [stack param1] [...] 05:04:59 so to call you'd do push push... sub esp, 32, call .... add esp, 32, pop, pop 05:05:44 it also has a weird thing where um... xmm6-xmm15 are caller-save 05:05:49 but unix64 doesn't 05:08:22 huh 05:08:39 i know so little about windows 05:08:57 kmc: Hmm. I'm not sure if there's a way to do that thing with just inline asm on x86 with only one cpuid call. 05:09:35 Well. If you want to read eax, ebx, ecx, and edx. 05:10:02 Oh. ESI. :) 05:10:15 kmc: I really don't know why they came up with their own calling convention @_@ maybe it was just an independent development thing 05:10:24 yeah you can save in esi / edi, or save ebx in a C variable rather than using push/pop 05:10:25 I've had to deal with it just because my code has to run on windows so >_< 05:10:30 ok 05:10:43 msft also has their own 32-bit calling convention don't they 05:10:52 I don't think so? I think it just uses cdecl 05:10:53 they have many 32-bit calling conventions 05:10:57 push %ebx; cpuid; mov %ebx, %esi; pop %ebx // Yeah, that should work. 05:11:00 i thought that C++ code on windows passes 'this' in a register and everything else on the stack 05:11:03 for one 05:11:13 C++ is different I think 05:11:16 like everyone has their own C++ ABI 05:11:21 is there even a standard one? I don't think there is 05:11:30 I remember agner has some gigantic document on various C++ ABIs from different compilers 05:11:30 there is for linux now, ish 05:11:47 Windows doesn't even have a single C ABI though. 05:11:55 IA-64 has a architecture standard C++ ABI and I think g++ has officially adopted it for other arches too, on Linux anyway 05:12:28 http://refspecs.linux-foundation.org/cxxabi-1.83.html there is some terrifying shit in here 05:13:12 There's cdecl, stdcall, and fastcall in standard C use on Win32. 05:13:53 cdecl's the default though, I think? 05:13:54 cdecl is what you expect, stdcall is callee cleanup, fastcall is callee cleanup with 2 registers used for arguments. 05:13:58 cdecl is the default. 05:14:07 I don't think fastcall is even standard? I thought it was a compiler-specific thing 05:14:13 But the Win32 libraries use stdcall. 05:14:20 linux kernel uses 3 register parameters on i386 05:14:24 yeah, but like you have to write STDCALL in the function definition right? 05:14:29 *Microsoft* fastcall is standard. 05:14:30 Yes. 05:14:36 huh 05:14:42 Well, "standard". 05:14:47 Microsoft *and* GCC support it there. 05:14:55 O_O 05:15:16 On Win32 mind. 05:15:28 GCC tries to be able to compile most any Windows code. 05:15:43 So it's got a few weird contortions for Microsoft's stuff. 05:15:51 they tried so hard and got so far, but in the end, it doesn't even matter 05:15:55 it can't do microsoft inline asm can it? 05:16:09 I don't think so. 05:16:18 I think some of the Microsoft extensions in GCC can be used even if not compiling in Windows. 05:16:41 at one point I had mingw Windows CE MIPS target cross GCC on my Linux laptop 05:16:58 What's more important to them is being able to handle Windows headers. 05:17:09 (than just strict bug-for-bug compatibility) 05:20:15 -!- 18VAA3AWL has joined. 05:20:40 -!- 18VAA3AWL has changed nick to mnoqy. 05:23:58 18VAA3AWL 05:24:02 what kind of nick is that 05:24:38 i accidentally opened irssi twice 05:31:42 Wouldn't that be 05:31:46 -!- Sgeo has changed nick to IAOIT. 05:33:04 :☺) 05:33:30 :∷) 05:33:42 ∷∷) 05:34:28 this time you've gone too far mnoqy 05:39:41 ye... 05:41:24 -!- conehead has joined. 05:42:22 ∷∷)∷∷ 05:42:28 Logical conclusion 05:45:09 Γ ⊢ ∷∷ 05:46:57 ::)) http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/four_eyes_illusion_1.jpg 05:48:17 ion: That image is cruel. 05:48:31 http://candies.aniwey.net/ 05:50:20 candies.candiesPerSecond = 50 05:51:16 -!- kallisti has joined. 05:51:17 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 05:51:17 -!- kallisti has joined. 05:52:35 killed by goblins 05:53:35 `pastelog ghosts 05:54:11 No output. 05:55:21 kmc: what should i do in ny while i'm there other than all the things i'm going to do 05:55:56 nyc? 05:56:13 we'll be going to niagara falls for two days apparently 05:56:17 but other than that, yes 05:56:19 shachaf: when? 05:56:24 Mon-Sat 05:56:45 visit the high line park, visit roosevelt island, eat at Sarita's Macaroni & Cheese, eat at Mamoun's Falafel, these are pretty much the only things I did when I lived in NYC 05:56:48 rode some trains 05:57:11 Hey, I ate at Mamoun's Falafel! 05:57:12 I think. 05:57:14 good! 05:57:22 Was that the one I went to with lexande and others? 05:57:23 shachaf: like, this week? 05:57:24 oh!!!!! eat xi'an famous foods 05:57:30 though maybe harder for vegetarian 05:57:33 shachaf: where else are you going to be? 05:57:38 oh, ny 05:59:06 The latter looks a little bit non-vegetarian. 05:59:59 Why Sarita's Macarony & Cheese? 06:00:53 it's tasty 06:01:02 i don't actually know good restaurants 06:01:16 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:01:25 i hear Shake Shack is p. good 06:01:51 I think I went there with sbahra once? 06:01:58 Shanghai Cuisine on Bayard St is good for soup dumplings 06:02:00 Or maybe it was somewhere else. 06:02:07 as are some other places 06:02:28 Getting to places from the Bronx is kind of annoying. 06:02:30 i should meet more cslounge people 06:02:46 i'm bad at people 06:02:56 am i bad at people :'( 06:03:01 don't know 06:03:31 i met kmc a couple of times but we didn't really say much 06:03:52 yeah 06:03:55 we could hang out more 06:03:57 once i move to SF 06:04:07 Is it decided? 06:04:40 no 06:04:50 i haven't even applied for jobs yet 06:05:20 but I am searching for jobs only in SF 06:05:20 I haven't either. 06:05:23 at the moment 06:06:12 SF or bay area? 06:06:34 Maybe I'll start sending emails etc. when I get back from NY. 06:06:50 The whole process is rather unpleasant. Even replying to people is unpleasant. 06:06:53 * shachaf is very bad at email. 06:07:24 email sucks 06:07:51 cslounge? 06:07:54 shachaf: I would much prefer a job in SF proper but I'm willing to consider elsewhere in the Bay Area if it's really cool work 06:08:03 -!- kallisti has joined. 06:08:03 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 06:08:03 -!- kallisti has joined. 06:10:37 Fiora: I think it used to be a lounge-thing at CMU. 06:10:40 Now it's an IRC channel. 06:14:06 i don't know yet how picky I can afford to be 06:14:58 About what? 06:20:37 -!- dessos has left. 06:21:42 jobs 06:34:55 jerbs 06:39:24 * pikhq taken yer jerbs 06:39:43 don't do it pikhq 06:53:34 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:56:17 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 06:59:46 -!- techno` has joined. 07:09:57 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:10:58 -!- augur has joined. 07:13:43 -!- kallisti has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 07:17:24 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:18:38 -!- augur has joined. 07:38:29 I'm looking at the list of web sites that have access to my google account. Some entries are a bit weird. 07:38:33 Like "feedly — Profile Information, Google Reader, Google Reader, Google Reader" 07:38:40 3x Google Reader? 07:44:38 `olist 07:44:42 olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly 07:46:17 two entries for "Android Login Service", three entries for youtube video deck 07:57:59 -!- Taneb has joined. 07:58:33 We have a debia? 07:58:34 Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 07:59:19 Taneb: `olist 07:59:52 @tell ThatOtherPerson that neither rhymes NOR scans. Try again. 07:59:53 Consider it noted. 08:22:27 -!- madb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:43:55 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:44:55 Vorpal: FWIW, "feedly - Profile Information, Google Reader" is all I have for that. 08:45:06 (Also just one Android Login Service.) 08:45:29 Google Chrome and Chromium are separate applications, but I suppose that makes sense. 08:48:41 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: night). 09:24:21 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:38:54 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:39:16 Habeo autem debiam 09:56:25 kmc: You should read _Impro_ by Keith Johnstone. 09:57:05 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 10:10:22 -!- Yonkie_ has joined. 10:12:47 -!- heroux_ has joined. 10:12:53 -!- ineiros_ has joined. 10:13:53 -!- ogrom has joined. 10:14:11 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:17:27 -!- Yonkie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:17:28 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:17:28 -!- ineiros has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:17:28 -!- 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seconds). 10:54:40 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 11:00:29 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:01:17 -!- sivoais has joined. 11:02:09 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:02:09 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 11:02:09 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:06:11 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:08:17 ooh list 11:09:30 * oerjan skips rest of logs 11:11:47 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:12:38 -!- sivoais has joined. 11:20:48 " Or maybe you have to make the sequences' limit points be the same." usually you'd use the discrete topology 11:21:23 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:22:17 " So what's the correct definition of a limit point at infinity?" eventually outside any compact set 11:22:37 -!- sivoais has joined. 11:24:08 so for graphs without topological structure, the path visits each node at most once 11:24:19 oh "limit point" at infinity, not limit 11:24:30 then it's just "visits infinitely many nodes" 11:32:25 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 11:33:03 -!- sivoais has joined. 11:36:31 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:37:17 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 11:43:23 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:44:55 -!- sivoais has joined. 11:45:50 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 11:55:22 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:56:24 -!- sivoais has joined. 11:58:14 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:00:01 `quote "hi" 12:00:03 742) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 12:00:14 hi 12:00:41 what happened to the good "hi" quote. probably it didn't have "hi" in quotes. 12:00:49 Didn't you delete it? 12:00:53 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 12:00:58 no i deleted that one 12:01:00 Oh. 12:01:03 What's the good one? 12:01:06 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:01:07 `quote monqy>.*hi 12:01:09 308) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup \ 311) `quote django ​352) 12:01:14 `quote monqy>.*\bhi\b 12:01:15 719) Sgeo: I used to have strict requirements for when I said hi but then everyone started saying hi and it all got weird \ 742) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cb 12:01:17 hi 12:01:21 hi 12:01:26 was it 719 12:01:35 yes 12:02:26 I'm in a good mood right now 12:04:42 Mainly because of https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/823#issuecomment-17392522 12:07:24 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:07:51 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256 seconds). 12:53:09 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 12:53:33 -!- sivoais has joined. 12:55:00 Apparently latex only supports four levels of nested bulleted lists 12:55:15 Maybe I need to buy the premium version of latex 12:56:35 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:57:16 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 12:59:00 ...I'm organising a picnic on Facebook in rhyming couplets 12:59:10 And wigs? 13:00:47 The person I'm talking to has crap scansion! 13:00:56 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:01:05 "Oh, we all know that / But it's undeniable Tom has the better hat" 13:01:07 ugh 13:01:18 You could make that work. 13:01:21 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 13:04:07 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:04:34 -!- sivoais has joined. 13:05:04 Tanea: Your exercise is to make that work. 13:07:28 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:08:23 tanAYa <-- not tanEEa? 13:08:40 crazy english 13:08:51 oerjan: that raises the important question of where is tafar 13:09:43 if there's a reference, pun or former #esoteric regular i'm not getting it. 13:10:39 12:55:00: Apparently latex only supports four levels of nested bulleted lists 13:10:50 12:55:15: Maybe I need to buy the premium version of latex 13:11:07 heh 13:11:13 oerjan: in a non-rhotic accent, tanEEa sounds like Ta-near 13:11:14 i think this may be one of the few cases where the word "enterprise" is appropriate. 13:11:23 Tanea: oh dEEa 13:12:16 Jafet: there's probably a package for it somewhere. 13:12:31 (on CTAN) 13:13:17 `addquote ...I'm organising a picnic on Facebook in rhyming couplets 13:13:20 so a couple of days ago i tried to prove that there exists a constant e such that e^x = 1 + x + x^2/2 + x^3/3! + ... 13:13:21 1031) ...I'm organising a picnic on Facebook in rhyming couplets 13:13:33 that was way too hard 13:13:49 is the idea to show that there exists a constant e such that De^x = e^x 13:14:12 and then to show that the function has a taylor series and then it can only be that 13:14:58 oklopol: first step, define a^x ? 13:15:02 that's eas 13:15:03 y 13:15:24 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 13:15:31 for for rational x and show suitable continuity 13:15:34 *first for 13:15:51 -!- sivoais has joined. 13:16:13 my hunch is that dependent on how you do that, what you want may follow relatively trivially from exp(x+y) = exp(x)*exp(y) and continuity 13:16:54 since afair there are all kinds of different paths you can take to make all the ^ exp e and ln stuff fit together in a provable way 13:17:08 hmm 13:17:23 I've had this nick for what? Half an hour? 13:17:27 And already it's in the quotedb 13:17:28 do you have any sort of idea where one could find this stuff 13:18:19 in a relatively stringent introduction book to calculus? 13:18:26 yeah i suppose 13:18:48 (as in, for people who want to be mathematicians, not people who want to be engineers) 13:19:18 Tanea: it's not my fault that you cannot keep your humor to one nick 13:21:13 you know, i never worked out what integration had to do with areas until like 3 years after i learnt how to do it 13:21:50 In other news nobody can go to the picnic 13:21:51 oklopol: my hunch is that a^x for rational x is precisely the kind of path that fits well with my exp(x+y) suggestion. 13:22:06 *that defining 13:22:58 of course you have to prove that exp(x+y) = exp(x)*exp(y) (by exp i mean the power series of course), but i'm pretty sure i vaguely recall seeing that done directly 13:23:12 Tanea: Wow, it's really hard to match that. 13:23:47 Tanea: clearly you must make the picnic come to them hth 13:24:16 * oerjan suddenly is reminded of the Åsgårdsrei 13:24:16 exp(x+y) = exp(x)*exp(y) this is very elementary 13:24:20 oh 13:24:23 the power series 13:24:30 Tanea: do you think that's because of the rhyming couplets or because of the picnic? 13:24:31 i didn't really get to looking at the power series yet 13:24:40 but umm 13:25:02 don't you just directly multiply the series 13:25:17 and then show that that works because the coefficients grow so effing fast 13:25:29 oklopol: yeah i think so 13:25:53 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 13:26:19 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 13:26:56 -!- sivoais has joined. 13:27:14 oklopol: there is probably an alternative way based on your De^x idea too 13:28:25 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:29:04 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:29:51 * oerjan finishes his hot^Wlukewarm chocolate 13:29:53 Hey Tanea! 13:29:53 ThatOtherPerson: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 13:29:59 @messages 13:29:59 Taneb said 5h 30m 7s ago: that neither rhymes NOR scans. Try again. 13:30:14 what does it mean for something to scan? 13:30:33 olsner: rythm of syllables, basically 13:30:51 Tanea: how do you pronounce your last name? 13:30:57 oerjan: *rhythm 13:31:12 ThatOtherPerson: i had a feeling that was rong 13:31:18 Like "door" with an n on the end 13:31:20 *wrong 13:31:31 ThatOtherPerson: that one i did on porpoise. 13:31:40 Thought so :D 13:32:14 Tanea: so which part doesn't rhyme? Perhaps it has to do with our accents :P 13:32:23 I've forgotten 13:33:20 olsner: in most modern european languages, that rhythm is based on which syllables are stressed and unstressed - but in ancient latin it was based on which syllables were long and short... 13:34:06 i think japanese does it in another way again. pikhq?` 13:34:32 Tanea: Also, when I read it it has a meter, but I'm probably scrunging up some of the syllables 13:34:35 *-` 13:34:49 Can you message me it again? 13:34:54 Tanea: not to mention that you get the strangest ideas at 3:00 in the morning :P 13:35:34 (well i know they divide stuff into moras instead of syllables, but i don't know how they define rhythm or if they even do.) 13:36:11 I've heard that they don't do stress at all (but that doesn't preclude rhythm of other kinds, I suppose) 13:36:53 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 13:37:58 -!- sivoais has joined. 13:38:25 Like "door" with an n on the end <-- and this would be a non-rhotic door, right? 13:38:49 oerjan: I would expect people with a rhotic accent to pronounce the r as appropriate 13:38:55 I think it's with a retroflex nasal at the end 13:38:57 mhm 13:39:01 I was really commenting on the vowel sounds 13:39:48 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:39:59 olsner: even when you speak english? that's some scandinavian accent. 13:40:42 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:41:07 oerjan: I haven't noticed whether I ever do that in english or not 13:41:41 Tanea: Are you doing it? 13:41:50 shachaf: working on it 13:41:57 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 13:42:44 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:44:50 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:46:35 spivak starts by defining log x as the integral of 1/t from 1 to x 13:46:50 apparently the fundamental theorem of calculus has been dealt with at this point 13:47:05 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 13:48:17 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:49:12 So, I need to learn Received Pronunciation by Tuesday 13:49:17 Tanea: any suggestions? 13:49:21 -!- sivoais has joined. 13:49:29 ThatOtherPerson: Jeeves and Wooster 13:49:33 Constant Jeeves and Wooster 13:49:54 i c :D 13:56:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:59:01 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:00:07 -!- sivoais has joined. 14:06:04 exp is defined as log^-1 14:06:43 i don't think i considered doing this 14:10:47 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:11:16 -!- sivoais has joined. 14:17:27 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 14:20:33 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:21:15 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:22:18 -!- sivoais has joined. 14:24:19 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 14:28:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 14:32:15 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:33:27 -!- sivoais has joined. 14:34:17 -!- jconn has joined. 14:36:43 -!- sivoais has quit (Client Quit). 14:36:48 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 14:42:58 -!- sivoais has joined. 14:51:03 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 14:52:10 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:54:12 -!- sivoais has joined. 15:03:42 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:05:07 -!- sivoais has joined. 15:09:13 Tanea: bah, this is hard 15:09:17 : ' ( 15:09:25 I made it way harder than it needed to be, too. 15:12:48 `olist 15:12:51 olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly 15:13:08 -!- IAOIT has changed nick to Sgeo. 15:13:09 IAOIT............................ 15:13:37 You were here when I `olisted. 15:13:43 Do you not have a hilight on Sgeo? 15:14:03 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:14:03 You can't excite us like that, man. 15:14:43 Maybe it's early up in my scrollback? 15:14:56 Is it before the netsplits? 15:15:00 excuses 15:15:02 I think so 15:15:12 FireFly: Do you even read `olist? 15:16:16 No, I used to but haven't kept ut with it, but it's a great reminder that I should re-read parts of it to get back on track 15:16:26 -!- sivoais has joined. 15:17:04 (well, the reminder hasn't helped *yet*, but I'm sure I'll get sufficiently annoyed by it soon that I'll go read it) 15:17:12 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 15:17:20 what, that's not how olist's supposed to be used? 15:17:35 Hmm. 15:17:43 You should sign up for `olistdeluxe. 15:19:02 I think they were in a desert last time I read oots.. I wonder when that was 15:20:33 When you deserted them? 15:20:44 Yes... 15:21:13 `ls 15:21:16 bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ hbDf \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ index.html.1 \ index.html.2 \ index.html.3 \ interps \ karma \ lib \ maze \ maze.c \ paste \ q \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ testbot \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ Test.o \ wisdom 15:21:22 Hrmmm 15:21:26 lambdabot: help 15:21:27 I think I'll re-read from page 1 15:21:44 fungot...... where are you? 15:22:11 NOOO how can we ever got fun without fungot? 15:22:56 `paste bin/olist 15:23:03 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/olist 15:25:21 the *list's ought to have comments in them signifying what they are for 15:25:29 What's a seed? 15:25:36 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:25:46 Sgeo: for an rng? 15:25:54 For D&D 15:26:29 'Epic spells are spells developed from the ground up using a list of magical ingredients called seeds.' 15:26:32 there we go 15:28:01 -!- sivoais has joined. 15:28:09 oklopol: isn't "visits infinitely many nodes" the same thing as "gets arbitrarily far from the origin", at least in this case? 15:28:37 -!- zzo38 has joined. 15:28:45 well yes, but having limit infinity is not the same as having a limit point at infinite, the way i interpret this 15:28:55 i interpret it as taking the one-point compactification 15:29:21 and taking limits w.r.t. what you get 15:30:17 *infinity 15:34:13 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 15:34:26 Oh, fungot. 15:34:29 python needs a shorthand for x for x in xs... 15:34:33 like each x in xs 15:34:39 that'd be nice 15:35:03 I should probably add a highlight for fungot's quit. 15:35:16 `run python -c 'xs = "xs";print [x for x in xs]' 15:35:17 ​['x', 's'] 15:35:53 Jafet: that's okay, but I seem to be using it alot for in combination with an if statement 15:36:00 -!- fungot has joined. 15:36:07 fungot! 15:36:08 ThatOtherPerson: the combinations of scalars. do. not... see mbf.) 15:36:12 `run egrep -o '.*' *.html 15:36:14 Google 15:36:22 `run egrep -o '.*' *.html* 15:36:24 index.html:Google \ index.html.1: \ index.html.2:GitHub · Build software better, together. \ index.html.3:Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki 15:36:34 What are all the bots in this channel? 15:37:15 `run python -c 'xs = "Xs";print [x for x in xs if x.isupper()]' 15:37:16 ​['X'] 15:37:30 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:38:01 I'd like to be able to write print [all xs if x.isupper()] or something 15:38:16 well I guess that wouldn't work 15:38:26 EgoBot: help 15:38:36 meh, wouldn't fit in the syntax 15:38:59 `run python -c 'print filter (lambda x: x.isupper()) "Xs"' 15:38:59 also note: filter isn't an option :( 15:39:01 ​ File "", line 1 \ print filter (lambda x: x.isupper()) "Xs" \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax 15:39:04 What does EgoBot do? 15:39:12 -!- sivoais has joined. 15:39:19 `run python -c 'print filter((lambda x: x.isupper()), "Xs"') 15:39:21 bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `)' \ bash: -c: line 0: `python -c 'print filter((lambda x: x.isupper()), "Xs"')' 15:39:27 `run python -c 'print filter((lambda x: x.isupper()), "Xs")' 15:39:28 X 15:39:31 ThatOtherPerson: it's gradually being replaced by HackEgo 15:39:38 Can't use filter 15:39:45 oh 15:39:46 Don't use python 15:39:48 well I could use filter but it wouldn't make much difference 15:40:11 `run rm *.html* 15:40:15 No output. 15:40:18 `ls 15:40:20 bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ hbDf \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ maze \ maze.c \ paste \ q \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ testbot \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ Test.o \ wisdom 15:40:25 `Test 15:40:27 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Test: not found 15:40:36 `./Test 15:40:37 It works! 15:40:52 `/hello 15:40:53 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hello: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hello: cannot execute: No such file or directory 15:40:59 `./hello 15:41:00 Hello world! \ . 15:41:20 `run cat maze.c 15:41:20 `wc hello 15:41:21 main() { asm("xor %edi, %edi\n" "inc %edi\n" "mov %rsp, %rsi\n" "go: movl $0xb195e2, (%rsi)\n" "rdtsc\n" "and $1, %al\n" "add %al, 2(%rsi)\n" "mov %edi, %eax\n" "xor %edx, %edx\n" "mov $3, %dl\n" "syscall\n" "jmp go"); } 15:41:21 ​ 3 50 6447 hello 15:41:32 Wow so bloated 15:41:46 `run cat hello 15:41:47 ​ELF............>.....@.....@.................@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@........................................@......@............................................@.......@.....l......l........ ............p......p`.....p`.................... .................`.....`............................ 15:41:50 `cat hello.c 15:41:51 short const main[]={-14520,448,0,18432,-14393,1,0,-29368,3893,0,18432,-15673,14,0,1295,184,0,-15616,25928,27756,8303,28535,27762,8548,10}; 15:41:57 Oh 15:42:23 `./factor 546545643213274 15:42:24 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/factor: is a directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/factor: cannot execute: Success 15:42:34 `run gcc hello.c -o hello -nostdlib && ./hello 15:42:36 "cannot execute: Success" great 15:42:40 ​/usr/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 000000000040010c \ bash: line 1: 292 Segmentation fault ./hello 15:42:54 Why does C suck so much 15:42:58 `run ./factor 546545643213274 15:43:00 bash: ./factor: is a directory 15:43:01 `run gcc hello.c -o hello -Os && ./hello 15:43:03 Tanea: How's the rhyming going? 15:43:09 Hello world! \ . 15:43:12 `wc hello 15:43:14 ​ 3 53 6415 hello 15:43:15 Well, it still rhymes 15:43:22 `run ls factor 15:43:23 factor.image 15:43:32 Tanea: I mean, making that "couplet" fit in somehow. 15:43:48 `./wisdom 15:43:49 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/wisdom: is a directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/wisdom: cannot execute: Success 15:43:56 all those directories 15:44:09 `run ls wisdom 15:44:11 As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead. 15:44:34 `? coppro 15:44:36 `pastewisdow 15:44:38 coppro prefers his nickname, Pooppy. 15:44:38 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastewisdow: not found 15:44:44 `pastewisdom 15:44:46 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ 15:44:53 `? ThatOtherPerson 15:44:55 ThatOtherPerson? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:45:47 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:45:49 `? Ngevd 15:45:51 ​xTI+DQ@5ֵz\2uaz{E^A򳞼(*Q-8hZouZc^bB*0>a:vd$ׂR;_dzgYPc'?V0[0fѳM"e)Ipk^#d+,ǭOE}+Os)qBI8c,Dgpyi޴Ԋv- \ .~Yr_ю7?:BaYjjTW6&lw 15:45:57 `run gcc hello.c -o hello2 -nostdlib -Os -s -Wl,--entry,main && ./hello2; wc -c hello2 # close enough? 15:46:00 Hello world! \ .bash: line 1: 292 Segmentation fault ./hello2 \ 720 hello2 15:46:02 `? FireFly 15:46:04 FireFly? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:46:15 Tanea: You're responsible for making a FireFly entry. hth 15:46:47 720 bytes is much less bloaty, but the program probably attempts to ret. 15:46:57 -!- Gregor has joined. 15:47:03 `learn FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. 15:47:07 Taneb -> atriq -> ngevd -> Tanea -> ? 15:47:07 I knew that. 15:47:21 AnotherTest: atrip, ngevc 15:47:41 Then Tandz 15:47:52 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:48:03 I was expecting Tane`. 15:48:31 T4n3b 15:48:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:48:52 `! FireFly 15:48:55 FIREFLY WAS A SHORT-RUNNING BUT WELL-LOVED SCI-FI TV SERIES RELEASED IN 2003, STARRING NATHAN FILLION AND DIRECTED AND WRITTEN BY JOSS WHEDON! 15:49:07 T 4 |\| 3 |3 15:49:24 `run objdump -D hello2 -M intel | sed -e '/hello/,/main>/ d' -e 's/^ \+[0-9a-f]\+:\s\+\([0-9a-f][0-9a-f] \)\+\s\+//' 15:49:27 No output. 15:49:40 `run whereis valgrind 15:49:42 valgrind: /usr/lib/valgrind /usr/lib64/valgrind 15:49:56 `run valgrind ./hello2 15:49:57 bash: valgrind: command not found 15:50:08 I think they were in a desert last time I read oots.. I wonder when that was <-- technically they still are, i think 15:50:10 oh right 15:50:14 only libs 15:50:50 Last time I read Homestuck there wasn't a disk three 15:51:13 And the chap with the bad fake tan was dead 15:54:33 Tanea: This meter is going to drive me crazy. 15:55:15 I will do something else. 15:55:21 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has quit (Quit: Page closed). 15:56:12 What are all the bots in this channel? 15:56:18 ^prefixes 15:56:19 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ), blsqbot ! 15:56:40 ... That was more than I expected 15:56:51 not all are currently present 15:57:03 shachaf shachaf: 15:57:04 Pietbot died of cot death 15:57:11 )help 15:57:23 hi fungot 15:57:24 +hm 15:57:24 FireFly: wonder if there's a fnord for 15:57:28 +help 15:57:33 What does jconn do? 15:57:41 ) stuff 15:57:41 FireFly: |value error: stuff 15:57:43 ~help 15:57:52 ) 1 + 1 15:57:52 Tanea: 2 15:57:54 and this doesn't include glogbot and clog, which are for logging not executing commands (although glogbot accepts !logs i think) 15:58:02 !logs 15:58:04 !logs 15:58:19 or glogbackup 15:58:20 ) (+/ % #) i.5 15:58:20 oerjan: That should say: jconn ) , blsqbot ! 15:58:20 FireFly: 2 15:58:34 jconn is J, isn't it 15:58:36 !blsq "Hello!" 15:58:42 Yes 15:58:50 What language does jconn run? 15:58:53 shachaf: eek 15:59:02 ThatOtherPerson: refer to Tanea's last line 15:59:07 ah 15:59:11 thanks 15:59:12 ) [1, 2, 3] 15:59:12 AnotherTest: |syntax error 15:59:13 AnotherTest: | [1,2,3] 15:59:20 ) (1, 2, 3) 15:59:20 AnotherTest: 1 2 3 15:59:21 pah, so much syntax 15:59:25 ) 1 2 3 15:59:25 FireFly: 1 2 3 15:59:36 ) 5**5 15:59:36 AnotherTest: 5 15:59:47 I don't think that does what you want it to 15:59:48 that's not what I meant but ok 15:59:56 shachaf: that ) makes fungot's list so awkward to change because it means i need to brainfuck instead of underload 15:59:56 oerjan: anyway it was years ago) 15:59:59 )pow(5, 5) 16:00:04 http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/vocabul.htm might help 16:00:06 ) pow 5 5 16:00:15 AnotherTest: |value error: pow 16:00:15 AnotherTest: | pow 5 5 16:00:15 ) 5 ^: 5 16:00:15 FireFly: |domain error 16:00:15 FireFly: | 5^:5 16:00:21 ) 5 ^ 5 16:00:21 FireFly: 3125 16:00:38 oerjan: you could just use HackEgo hth 16:00:45 ) 123456789 ^ 123456789 16:00:46 AnotherTest: _ 16:00:52 Really? 16:00:55 HackEgo: `ls 16:01:00 (_ is "infinity") 16:01:10 123456789 ^ 123456789 = infinity, it has been proven! 16:01:15 HackEgo: ls 16:01:27 ) 5/ 0 16:01:27 AnotherTest: |domain error 16:01:27 AnotherTest: | 5/0 16:01:40 > 123456789 ^ 123456789 :: Double 16:01:41 Infinity 16:01:45 ) 2 ^ .5 16:01:46 AnotherTest: |domain error 16:01:46 AnotherTest: | 2 ^ .5 16:01:52 what? 16:01:56 sgh 16:02:19 ) 123! 16:02:19 AnotherTest: |syntax error 16:02:19 AnotherTest: | 123! 16:02:20 lambdabot: @run "Hello" 16:02:23 "Hello" 16:02:26 ) !123 16:02:26 AnotherTest: try prefix ! 16:02:27 AnotherTest: 1.21463e205 16:02:27 shachaf: um the prefixes command is on fungot, HackEgo and EgoBot by design. 16:02:28 oerjan: in fact, no way to ascertain the " fnord/ mm/ blah 16:02:39 `prefixes 16:02:40 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ), blsqbot ! 16:02:42 Oh. 16:02:43 ) ?. 10 $ 6 16:02:43 Tanea: 0 5 5 4 2 3 2 1 4 2 16:02:44 fungot: fix it! 16:02:44 FireFly: i mean, 16:02:46 ) !123456789 16:02:46 AnotherTest: _ 16:03:04 ) _ + _ 16:03:05 AnotherTest: _ 16:03:07 ) ?. 2 2 $ 6 16:03:08 Tanea: 0 5 16:03:08 Tanea: 5 4 16:03:11 ) _ _ 16:03:11 AnotherTest: _ _ 16:03:16 ) _ / _ 16:03:16 AnotherTest: |domain error 16:03:16 AnotherTest: | _/_ 16:03:21 ) _ / 0 16:03:22 AnotherTest: |domain error 16:03:22 AnotherTest: | _/0 16:03:27 `run ./hello 16:03:28 Hello world! \ . 16:03:28 ) _ < _ 16:03:29 AnotherTest: 0 16:03:32 ) tanebtwo=: 2 16:03:33 Tanea: |ok 16:03:37 ) tanebtwo 16:03:37 Tanea: 2 16:03:39 ) _ > _ 16:03:39 AnotherTest: 0 16:03:48 ) 2 * _ > _ 16:03:48 AnotherTest: 0 16:03:56 Guys, um, I think jconn works in query too 16:04:07 ) _ = _ 16:04:07 AnotherTest: 1 16:04:22 -!- Bike has joined. 16:04:33 `ls src 16:04:35 brainfuck.fu \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fueue.c \ ul.emm 16:05:11 hm i may not have saved it there 16:05:12 `ls 16:05:12 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 16:05:13 bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ hbDf \ hello \ hello2 \ hello.c \ hi \ hi.c \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ maze \ maze.c \ paste \ q \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ testbot \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ Test.o \ wisdom 16:05:24 `ls share 16:05:25 awesome \ construct_grams.pl \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ lua \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ units.dat \ WordData 16:06:42 -!- sivoais has joined. 16:08:41 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:08:50 ) 4* -/ % 1+ 2* i.1e6 16:08:50 FireFly: 3.14159 16:12:39 `run echo 'const short main[] = {18517,58761,49201,49801,49407,51081,3816,0,18432,27749,28524,8236,28535,27762,8548,24074,3762,1295,15536,-207,1295};' > hello.c && gcc hello.c -o hello -nostdlib -Os -s -Wl,--entry,main && ./hello && wc hello 16:12:44 Hello, world! \ 1 9 712 hello 16:13:03 `which run 16:13:09 No output. 16:16:23 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:17:08 -!- sivoais has joined. 16:21:40 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 16:27:11 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:28:48 -!- sivoais has joined. 16:34:10 ^prefixes 16:34:10 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! 16:34:16 !prefixes 16:34:17 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! 16:34:20 `prefixes 16:34:22 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! 16:34:37 OKAY 16:35:02 hellørjan 16:35:11 @tell boily can you add ~prefixes to metasepia URGENTLY 16:35:12 Consider it noted. 16:35:29 @tell boily see fungot, HackEgo, and EgoBot for how it should behave 16:35:30 Consider it noted. 16:35:30 Tanea: unable to authenticate to afs because cache manager is not initialized afsd is not running out as fast as the register set until captured in a 16:38:08 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:39:21 Tanea: if it's not a publicly modifiable command it'll just get out of synch hth 16:39:45 -!- Tanea has left ("Leaving"). 16:39:51 -!- Tanea has joined. 16:39:54 THAT MATTERS NOT 16:39:58 wait who is tanea?? 16:40:10 Bike: here's a hint 16:40:10 -!- sivoais has joined. 16:40:21 Who plays Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress, and lives in Hexam? 16:40:24 *Hexham 16:40:29 That's right, I'm elliott 16:40:32 ??????????????????????? 16:40:39 Hexhal 16:40:42 evidently 16:40:47 Tanea: How's the thing going? 16:40:53 Tanea: You *are* doing it, right? 16:41:02 shachaf: of course 16:41:28 `learn Tanea plays Minecrafs, Dware Fortresr, and lives in Hexhal. 16:41:33 I knew that. 16:42:58 `g dware fortresr 16:42:59 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: g: not found 16:43:58 http://hostcabi.net/domain_misspelling/dwarf-fortress ...this could easily get expensive 16:49:27 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:51:40 -!- sivoais has joined. 16:54:56 -!- sivoais has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:55:45 -!- sivoais has joined. 16:56:04 * oklopol hid a geocache 16:56:12 Does anyone have domain name suggestions? 16:56:31 ThatOtherPerson: oklopol.com 16:56:31 how about mycoolwegpabe.com 16:56:43 :O 16:56:51 thatotherwebpage.com 16:57:52 david@thatotherwebpage.com 16:57:55 It's growing on me 17:02:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Elater). 17:03:14 ) 1 + 1 17:03:14 ThatOtherPerson: 2 17:03:20 hmmf 17:06:44 kmc: what do you think of jokes like "two women sit next to each other while not talking." 17:07:13 idgi 17:07:30 asked to clarify, shachaf: it's funny because women always talk........ 17:07:36 bleh 17:07:52 what is a reasonable reaction in a situation like that 17:08:21 'bleh' 17:08:58 awkwardly moving away from that person, crying into a pillow, and wishing you could be in a different cosmos, then playing some games or something 17:09:14 why's that a bad joke? 17:09:46 kmc: http://i.imgur.com/IwlSZOr.png 17:09:46 oklopol: ಠ_ಠ 17:10:46 kmc: (Wondering how to reäct in the other channel; I think you talk about this sort of thing sometimes.) 17:11:01 Bike: v. cool 17:11:22 "I'm calling the cops on you." 17:11:31 I never inject. 17:12:33 shachaf: maybe http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Good_sexism_comebacks 17:13:09 useful 17:13:41 except i like always go with "dude not cool" how creative of me! 17:13:54 is it bad because it's sexist? 17:13:59 yes 17:14:22 it's a joke at the expense of women as a group, and one which reinforces stereotypes 17:14:35 also it's just not funny at all 17:14:36 also it's not really funny anyway? 17:14:57 it's also pretty terribly inaccurate 17:14:59 Q: What group are puns at the expense of? 17:15:04 men talk way more 17:15:04 A: The people who hear them. 17:15:10 heh i was gonna say 17:15:18 yeah there is Science about this 17:15:34 Yes, someone linked to http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003607.html 17:15:49 Which seems to be sort of beside the point. 17:15:53 are all jokes based on stereotypes unfunny or just women ones 17:16:07 pretty much all of them, really 17:16:21 k 17:16:28 oklopol: i think a joke can be funny and socially unacceptable at the same time 17:16:31 but this one isn't funny 17:16:49 though it's probably not-okay for groups which one can't really voluntarily be part of 17:17:08 stereotypes set up expectations and good humor is generally about subverting expectations in an unexpected way 17:17:09 e.g. making jokes about bronies, okay. making jokes about gay people, really quite not okay 17:17:12 rather than just reinforcing them 17:17:18 but yeah, what kmc said really <.< 17:17:35 What about jokes about right-wing supporters, are they okay? 17:18:24 I didn't mean to kill the channel >.> 17:18:42 -!- Yonkie_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:18:43 wow, http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Bad_sexism_comebacks are remarkably bad 17:19:09 do people... tell sexist people they need to get raped... 17:19:18 -!- conehead has joined. 17:19:49 there was that episode of 30 Rock about Liz's sketchy middle eastern neighbor who she thinks is a terrorist but it turns out he's auditioning to be on a reality TV show 17:19:54 (spoilers) 17:19:55 i mean i've seen 'sexism isn't manly' a lot 17:20:26 yeah i guess not dissing bronies isn't cool yet 17:20:46 that was a funny joke about stereotypes which doesn't simply affirm them 17:20:58 I think you should make joke of anything; it doesn't matter. 17:21:16 I think zzo38 is stupid. This is funny. 17:21:19 You can laugh now. 17:21:21 Hahahahaha 17:21:40 that seems like an evil laugh 17:21:41 as a white guy my life is terribly hard because of all these restrictions on what jokes I can make! 17:21:43 mwa, ha, ha, ha 17:21:53 it's just not fair 17:22:58 (see hive vagina) 17:23:02 spend one day a week pretending to be some other-group and make "self"-deprecating jokes about that group 17:23:06 Bike: what 17:23:14 it was on the page 17:23:57 -!- Gregor has changed nick to PonyPonyPony. 17:24:02 * PonyPonyPony cracks his knuckles. 17:24:06 oklopol: What was that about bronies? 17:24:08 kmc: Yes, I know, is not fair, so just make any joke please. 17:24:15 You need freedom of speech, please. 17:24:47 PonyPonyPony: that people are still making fun about bronies 17:24:49 of 17:24:50 PonyPonyPony: i'm hoping this involves a six foot tall Brony Enforcer 17:24:59 Bike: whenever I see the phrase "hive vagina" I think of bees >.> 17:25:02 zzo38: freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the social consequences of your speech 17:25:08 (it's a great phrase though) 17:25:18 but this will pass 17:25:21 zzo38: if I call you a racial slur, you can and should expect that the rest of the channel will ostracize me 17:25:25 that's not government censorship 17:25:26 Fiora: it sounds quite scary 17:25:28 Bike: Well, technically speaking Big Macintosh is probably only four or five feet at the shoulder, but you wouldn't want to get into a fight with him. 17:25:41 PonyPonyPony: tbh i can't think of any horse i'd want to get in a fight with 17:25:41 kmc: OK, yes of course there are consequences, but I think you need freedom of speech anyways. 17:25:51 kmc: we can't do that! That's discriminatory. 17:25:51 what do you think the phrase "freedom of speech" means? 17:25:58 that communities shouldn't have any standards for what's acceptable or not? 17:26:04 (it's a livejournalism I think?) 17:26:08 No, that isn't what I mean. 17:26:20 kmc: I really love it when people cry "freedom of speech" to try to /make people stop talking/ 17:26:25 yeah seriously 17:26:28 I mean that you should have freedom of speech even though other people should also have the freedom to complain! 17:26:36 ok well 17:26:40 zzo38: well, I do have freedom of speech 17:26:48 i don't think the government's going to stop you from calling people bitches or w/e, zzo38 17:26:55 i'd say you got that one locked up 17:26:55 and so does the person whose joke shachaf objected to 17:27:16 PonyPonyPony: tbh i can't think of any horse i'd want to get in a fight with // Fair 'nuff 17:27:17 it's a weird idea that people should be able to say whatever they want without it leading to physical things, because the whole modern society is based on the idea that words mean something 17:27:26 * copumpkin +q 17:27:27 Say it even though somebody complains. 17:27:29 >_> 17:27:32 kmc: the situation is improved thanks to copumpkin 17:27:37 copumpkin: fascist 17:27:51 thatsfascist.gif 17:27:53 ROAD CLOSED DUE TO COPUMPKIN, EXPECT DELAYS 17:28:35 what's sort of amusing in some sense 17:28:40 I though C++ was the only language where you "first clone yourself and then shoot all of your clones in the foot" 17:28:45 hm there's a good SNL sketch about this 17:28:46 well, do you guys know what the symbol for fascism is? 17:28:47 *thought 17:29:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces 17:29:33 "What kind of Indian are you again?" "I'm Pakistani." "So... is that your tribe, or..." "It's a country." "God damn it, Racist Jim." "And now we're back to name calling!" 17:29:42 haha 17:31:16 shachaf: what channel was this 17:31:25 -blah 17:31:37 well 17:31:48 I did something weird 17:31:53 Was it fun? 17:32:11 no, not exactly 17:32:21 I think it might as well be a bug in my python interpreter 17:32:33 -!- Tanea has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 17:32:33 * AnotherTest shall investigate this matter further 17:35:38 that doesn't sound fun 17:36:32 damn it, have to reboot chrome again 17:36:50 Python's documentation is weird: "There is no shorthand for referencing data attributes (or other methods!) from within methods. I find that this actually increases the readability of methods: there is no chance of confusing local variables and instance variables when glancing through a method." 17:36:57 I wonder who the "I" is 17:36:58 Say it even though somebody complains. 17:37:06 did it occur to you that maybe people complain because they actually find these things hurtful 17:37:18 and so maybe you shouldn't say it, because you are hurting another person 17:37:48 especially when "it" is an unfunny throwaway joke with basically no redeeming qualities 17:38:27 what if it hurts me when people talk about how hurt they are 17:38:32 imo they should suffer in silence 17:38:40 AnotherTest: BDFL, presumably 17:38:41 trollchaf 17:38:55 shachaf: then you'd just suffer in silence, hth 17:39:10 olsner: um, i'm special hth 17:39:10 AnotherTest: Guido van Rossum 17:39:40 rtdh 17:40:26 kmc: oh boy what did i miss 17:40:43 ThatOtherPerson: Did you know there is also a ThatOtherGuy on freenode? 17:40:54 No, I didn't 17:40:55 shachaf burned himself alive to protest not being able to make jokes about women making sandwiches 17:41:10 hmm, why did the whole discussion about what's ok in #-blah end up here anyway? 17:41:17 olsner: My fault. 17:41:36 probably because shachaf is here and kmc is here but kmc isn't in blah maybe 17:41:56 I did it under the guise of asking for advice but maybe I was just annoyed. 17:42:22 shachaf's just playing the good old show kmc bad things game. 17:42:22 Maybe the right solution to that sort of joke is to have more than one person agree that it's not acceptable. 17:42:30 Which #-blah is this, anyway? 17:42:37 #sexism-blah 17:42:47 #copumpkin-blah 17:42:52 it's about everything but copumpkin 17:42:55 the greatest channel! 17:42:55 it's where we go if we want to talk about non-sexist stuff and need a break from #sexism 17:43:29 iis -blah actually a thing 17:43:52 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:43:59 Bike: no, it is only a metaphor 17:44:12 oh 17:44:17 Bike: #haskell-blah is 17:44:31 what;s haskell-blah a metaphor for 17:44:31 -!- Tanea has joined. 17:44:50 it's a metaphor for... oerjan 17:45:15 does that mean i must never join it? 17:45:28 * oerjan cannot recall if he ever has 17:45:30 metaphoerjan 17:45:48 i never metaphørjan i didn't like 17:46:44 oklopol: ಠ_ಠ <-- admittedly oklopol is funnier than the original "joke". 17:48:18 Ugh, Tanea. 17:48:24 I got distracted from the thing. 17:48:58 I'm sorry. 17:48:58 noooo, not the thing 17:49:05 awkwardly moving away from that person, crying into a pillow, and wishing you could be in a different cosmos, then playing some games or something <-- this basically applies to everything, right? 17:49:30 Rasmus Lerfdorf 17:50:01 Tanea: are you going to go back to Tandz next 17:50:36 kmc: http://i.imgur.com/IwlSZOr.png <-- is it the word "cool" that is stupid, or just this person's understanding of it? 17:50:36 elliott: *If* Tanea gets promoted again, he'll be told what he's promoted to. 17:50:45 or TaneZ 17:51:00 oerjan: is this a koan 17:51:01 oerjan: Can't it be both? 17:51:16 get a life you ganja gremlin 17:51:20 Bike: shachaf: i guess you are right. 17:51:52 Haskell? Blah! 17:52:04 mte 17:52:38 If that is actually an abbreviation that is used I will be surprised. 17:52:57 Oh boy, http://www.mmyvofficial.org/ 17:54:30 oerjan: no matter what words you use, it's not cool to read things that claim to be cool on the internet and use them to be cool. 17:54:56 http://www.mmyvofficial.org/publications/marijuana-addiction-percentages/ 17:54:57 Peru: 99.7% 17:55:03 kmc finally gives up on haskell entirely........ 17:55:05 that's a pretty high percentage 17:55:07 hm coolness is like the tao? 17:55:23 the cool that can be claimed is not the true cool 17:55:33 "No, I'm allergic to hate." 17:55:34 what 17:55:36 "United States: 85.4%" wuh oh 17:55:50 am i... am i addicted to the marijuana....... 17:55:52 oklopol: i suspect it's some kind of meta-joke. 17:56:06 wow this is even nuttier than the usual propaganda 17:56:08 poe's law abounds 17:56:21 The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than 10,000,000 annual U.S. deaths, including more than 134,400 in Colorado, are attributed to marijuana use alone (i.e. this figure does not include accidental deaths). 17:56:34 haha 17:56:37 what 17:56:44 intentional marijuana deaths 17:56:58 those kinds of posters are common in US schools though 17:57:02 Luxembourg: 96.3% 17:57:06 > 10/300 17:57:08 3.333333333333333e-2 17:57:09 this is probably caused by Bike and like three other people 17:57:10 Health-related costs for marijuana consumers are eight times greater than those for marijuana consumers, according to an assessment recently published in the British Columbia Mental Health and Addictions Journal. 17:57:10 Not that I'm for marijuana or anything, but that website seems to have quite a bit of... hyperbole 17:57:23 yeah i'm thinking this is too absurd to be real, even for propaganda 17:57:23 > 300/10 17:57:24 "Not that I'm for marijuana or anything" ty ty I was briefly worried your moral standards were compromised 17:57:26 30.0 17:57:28 i'm for marijuana 17:57:33 elliott: i strangle people with cannabis plants 17:57:35 just in case that wasn't clear already 17:57:38 Bike: wow me too 17:57:49 "the most devastating substance known to mankind" <-- how can you substantiate that claim 17:57:49 uh the UK doesn't have marijuana elliott 17:57:50 omg kmc is a druggie 17:57:53 kmc: ummmmm what,,, are you saying you support DRUGS??? you of all people¿¿¿ 17:57:55 Bike: this is larger than the actual amount of people dying annually in the us, right? 17:57:57 i thought i KNEW you kmc 17:58:21 Bike: hemp rope is pretty strong 17:58:23 kmc: speaking of which i think the website i was thinking of was http://thegreencross.org/ 17:58:35 well this thing actually has a paypal donation link 17:58:36 oh for pot delivery 17:58:43 cool 17:58:51 oerjan: in 2010 the CDC counted 2,468,435 deaths yes 17:58:54 "Physically eliminate all traces from marijuana on the planet using various and highly advanced methods." 17:58:57 hey am i cool now 17:59:01 Here is an image of our trained and dedicated social media staff here at MMYV. These are the people you see commenting and making posts on the Marijuana MAKES You Violent Facebook page. 17:59:02 "various and highly advanced methods" 17:59:05 http://www.mmyvofficial.org/about-us/268052_510306798990162_1058851281_n/ 17:59:10 elliott: luckily, there are 36 ways for you to maintain your "cool" while also not accepting DRUGS from kmc 17:59:10 i gave kmc access to drugz and it made me cool right 17:59:50 shachaf: haha this is great 17:59:56 "THC Infused Hot & Spicy Mixed Nuts" 18:00:06 Research published this year in the journal Marijuanaism: Clinical & Experimental Research, found that 36 percent of hospitalized assaults and 21 percent of all injuries are attributable to marijuana use by the injured person. 18:00:20 http://thegreencross.org/uploads/products/IncredimedsPromo.jpeg 18:00:25 freshly baked get it 18:00:52 I wouldn't think messing the planet is the good idea. 18:01:01 ok anything THC infused that's also a good snack food is a serious feedback loop danger 18:01:02 elliott: i strangle people with cannabis plants <-- ambiguous sentence please clarify hth 18:01:12 wow you can get weed honey 18:01:52 kmc: you know the muchies is culturebound? it's neat 18:01:57 oh really 18:01:57 munchies 18:02:25 HACKEM MUNCHIE 18:02:26 Smoking marijuana (seems to be) on the rise, here in India. 18:02:36 i had an anthro professor that did a lot of weed with Rastas in the carribean (best science? quite possibly) and none of them even recognied the idea 18:02:44 heh 18:02:44 cool 18:02:57 I shall now use various and highly advanced methods to satiate my hunger. 18:03:02 Bike: i wish i didn't know that 18:03:11 I'm starting to think that this MMYV thing is a parody 18:03:26 elliott: blaze it 18:03:30 if weed is fully legalized and normalized in USA, it will be interesting to see how 'stoner culture' changes 18:03:32 olsner: yes. 18:03:53 i mean 'stoner culture' is already a minority of people who use pot 18:03:54 i wonder if this will be the most successful part of my ploy to get kmc over to sf 18:04:15 but also it's vaguely based on being transgressive and on pot being a kind of in-joke 18:04:15 my dad was trying to sponsor stoner culture now that it's legal here 18:04:21 heh wha 18:04:23 t 18:04:28 unfortunately his Washingstonian shirts didn't go over as well as he'd hoped 18:04:30 Bike: no you don't understand 18:04:46 now at any future point in my life if i am to obtain ``the munchies'' (as they are referred to) i'm going to think 18:04:50 this is all Bike's fault 18:04:58 how postmodern 18:05:14 I am neither an astronomer nor an astrologer. Some people have userboxes to specify if they are an astronomer and not an astrologer. 18:05:22 kmc: imagine the space needle but the top is replaced with a leaf. now put it on a t-shirt 18:05:27 elliott: oh no elliott don't become violent 18:05:51 "i strangle people with cannabis plants" he obviously strangles plants to people that have cannabis. 18:05:53 well having browed the green cross's baked goods selection i don't want weed but i *do* want brownies 18:05:58 what's the real addiction here 18:06:11 if there are weed brownies is there brownie weed 18:06:37 "-Adopt a clean whole foods based diet. The diet you have been eating as a marijuana addict has been destroying your gut and is terrible for you in general." this is like a full-on hit of kmc 18:06:48 http://www.youtube.com/MMYVofficial 18:06:55 "Be careful about viewing violent images, often this triggers a relapse and sends the addict back to using. Even reading about wars in the newspaper can cause the most dedicated reformed addict to fall of the wagon." wh 18:07:23 it's kind of sketchy that they have a donation link on a clearly fake site 18:07:25 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 18:07:31 This video is awesome. :-D 18:07:40 What causes violence? This has been an age old question that was unanswerable up until now. After conducting extensive surveys and medical experiments, we have definitely proven that marijuana is the sole cause of violence on this planet. 18:08:02 Bike: whenever I see the phrase "hive vagina" I think of bees >.> <-- wait this is a common phrase? 18:08:02 meep 18:08:14 @google hive vagina 18:08:15 Bike: good 18:08:15 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Hive_vagina 18:08:15 Title: Hive vagina - Geek Feminism Wiki 18:08:38 Issues/Criticism: Not all feminists, nor all women, have vaginas. The term is therefore exclusionary. 18:09:06 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:09:11 the term "feminism" is exclusionary hth 18:11:24 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/0xB16B00B5/BIGBOOBS_Constant_in_Microsoft_Hyper-V good 18:11:26 Tanea: OK, I think I'll finish this later. 18:11:40 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-Minbari_war 18:11:54 "a number is sexist" - whoever wrote this 18:12:00 it's kind of sketchy that they have a donation link on a clearly fake site <-- hey faking stuff is expensive hth 18:12:16 Heh, I had this fancy algorithm to connect 2 boxes nicely, but it did the exact reverse thing :( 18:12:28 fizzie: Can we have statistics on how many lines of oerjan's end in hth? 18:12:58 shachaf: all of them hth 18:13:22 nooodl_: it's a magic number, somebody wrote it in intentionally. 18:13:24 i expect that depends a lot on how many years you go back hthgate 18:13:43 olsner: good 18:14:00 (i know it is, i'm taking lots of piss here) 18:14:01 oerjan: that's why i asked for "statistics" rather than "a statistic" hth 18:14:20 i'm not a statistic. yet. 18:15:15 it's probably the most compact way anyone's ever been sexist anywhere... 32 bits of sexism "how can you beat that" 18:16:09 This is our updated shirt design featuring bold and powerful text, allowing for its wearer to proudly display that they remain free from the grasp of marijuana. This is the shirt for you if you love peace. 18:16:22 beeeeees 18:16:27 'I remember a girl calling in embarrassed because she sometimes would pee when she had a good orgasm. Dr. Drew asked how her boyfriend reacted to it, and she replied that he seemed proud. Adam Carolla then countered that "Of course he was proud. A swarm of bees could come out of your vagina when you orgasm and he'd be proud."' 18:16:35 kmc is a bee (irl) 18:16:50 kmc: good 18:17:34 elliott: sounds like a good shirt imo 18:17:52 13:30:51: Tanea: how do you pronounce your last name? 18:17:54 "doom" 18:18:32 is that like a beard of bees 18:19:04 bee merkin 18:19:28 good botspam in this log imo 18:21:02 yeah that does sound like a good shirt 18:21:27 http://cache1.bigcartel.com/product_images/99655123/MMYVNewShirt.png 18:21:29 nooodl_: heh, did you see the discussion in the linked blog post too? someone ends up arguing that it's not a problem because no girls write kernel code anyway 18:21:29 it sounds better than it looks 18:21:42 oh dear 18:22:12 wow 18:23:19 kmc: one of the designs my dad is hocking: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12780151/20130505_111931.jpg 18:24:15 Bike: oh wow 18:24:25 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 18:24:45 yeah, that was basically my reaction too 18:25:12 he doesn't even smoke or anything, he just doesn't care and wanted to see if he could make some cahs. 18:25:15 cash 18:26:10 an enterprising man 18:26:37 Stupid Windows is so stupid that it doesn't even have a whois command 18:29:31 "I do not, for the life of me, understand closures. Could anyone help me? I can relate it to python decorators but, what I just don't see the entire picture." i am so confused 18:29:45 i do not, for the life of me, understand the question 18:30:20 Bike: good 18:30:33 red eyes are a nice touch 18:30:36 inorite 18:30:59 imo kmc should buy one of Bike's dad's shirts 18:31:07 my friends in college had a big poster of bill clinton with a joint 18:31:08 Bike: closures are like blue and red pipes, also known as monads 18:31:11 they're pretty 'limited edition' 18:31:27 so is kmc 18:31:31 true 18:31:36 closures are like blue and red bongs 18:31:41 in that hitting them will fix your makefile 18:37:17 -!- ogrom has joined. 18:38:59 ^style 18:38:59 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 18:39:13 ^style lovecraft 18:39:13 Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) 18:39:37 fungot: speak your mind 18:39:38 FireFly: the press cuttings, in professor angell's most recent hand; and made no explanation when i questioned him. not that his form of language was at all unusual, for he 18:43:02 fungot: What antediluvian abominations must we abide if we do not abate all traces of the dread weed? 18:43:03 ThatOtherPerson: coming of age in april, just before the vampirism broke out? the rifling of ezra weeden's ancient grave, and is finally discovered to be a veritable code signal, so that no sounds above a whisper were possible; digestion was incredibly prolonged and fnord, forerunners of the modern slate and fnord. 18:43:36 oh dear that is bad 18:44:06 i didn't know lovecraft wrote about vampirism 18:46:27 I didn 18:46:39 I didn't know lovecraft wrote about fnord 18:47:03 haven't you ever read Illuminatus 18:47:25 no 18:49:48 Should I? 18:51:48 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:01:11 probaby 19:01:46 probaby 19:02:31 probaby action 19:04:30 19:09:51 shachaf: http://sprunge.us/LOaa 19:10:25 that's some science 19:10:38 what happened last may oerjan 19:11:07 (Exercise for the reader: use extrapolation techniques to estimate the arrival of the hth singularity.) 19:11:47 let's see, it goes 01, 04, 08. that's pretty much doubling. 19:11:55 fizzie: next thursday hth 19:12:10 so in four months, 128% of oerjan's messages will be helping 19:12:57 Bike: i have a temporary workaround for that hth hth hth 19:13:03 D: 19:15:40 > 1/0.00050428643469490671 19:15:42 1982.9999999999998 19:15:52 so the hth singularity is in 1982? 19:17:38 your rounding needs work hth 19:20:53 -!- xifeng has joined. 19:21:23 Bike: also i don't know, this is one of those cases where it would be nice to have the denominators 19:29:33 -!- Tanea has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:31:43 `words 19:31:48 zeir 19:31:58 `words -n 10 19:32:00 Unknown option: n 19:32:16 `words 50 19:32:20 feth marseu gente rhenia cong gnader tal thol tenableu wcructive many tvho iece nick uigk ghy unrect jew che sclian sestrace print extuam bifburg swifesssenship 19:32:43 words seems related to bullshit(1) 19:32:49 -!- Tanea has joined. 19:33:03 http://man.aiju.de/1/bullshit that is 19:34:01 it's based on markov chains of letters, like fungot's blather is based on markov chains of words, afaik 19:34:02 oerjan: the terrible old man. he saw now, in that baffling region beyond the first gate. it was the fnord, fnord. 19:34:37 oh okay 19:34:56 I wonder how well markov chains of syllables would work out 19:35:07 Try it 19:35:09 FOR SCIENCE 19:35:36 The first issue is to split words into syllables 19:35:43 'probably easy' 19:36:00 Science is never easy 19:36:07 You must make sacrifices for science 19:36:12 but words form a monoid! 19:36:39 Hm, then it OUGHT TO BE easy 19:39:34 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 19:42:17 -!- lag1 has joined. 19:42:41 hi 19:43:03 Hi, lag1 19:43:06 `welcome lag1 19:43:08 lag1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 19:43:10 hellag1 19:43:18 -!- Bike_ has joined. 19:43:26 Sweet Bro and Hellag1 19:44:17 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 19:44:18 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 19:45:41 -!- ffugencantbelay has joined. 19:46:10 hello 19:46:19 welcome 19:46:26 `welcome ffugencantbelay 19:46:27 ffugencantbelay: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 19:47:20 -!- ffugencantbelay has quit (Client Quit). 19:47:57 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:48:25 -!- lag1 has left. 19:48:44 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:50:46 That was a short visit 19:51:10 Maybe they were interested in the other kind of esoterica 19:53:24 darn, i really wanted to talk about hermetic medicine. oh well, sorry to trouble you, bye!! 19:54:30 byke 19:55:42 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 19:56:05 What exactly is the other kind of esoterica? 19:56:20 Pfff. 19:56:31 Asking makes it clear that you are irrevocably locked in a matrix of solidity. 19:56:40 * Bike shakes head sadly 19:56:51 `quote enjoy 19:56:53 245) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity \ 274) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. 19:57:07 That's... not a word 19:57:11 That's not even a phrase 19:57:17 dude it's right there 19:57:20 'matrix of solidity' 19:57:44 It's even on the main page of the wiki 19:57:45 It's so much not a phrase that one of the top Google hits for "matrix of solidity" is esolangs.org 19:58:23 Solidarity, now that's a word 19:58:29 @wn solidity 19:58:30 We tend to use it a lot 19:58:30 *** "solidity" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 19:58:30 solidity 19:58:30 n 1: the consistency of a solid [syn: {solidity}, {solidness}] 19:58:30 [ant: {porosity}, {porousness}] 19:58:30 2: state of having the interior filled with matter [ant: 19:58:32 [5 @more lines] 19:58:38 hth 19:59:19 stdh 19:59:29 shut the damn hell? 19:59:40 No, "sorry that doesn't help" 20:00:04 I keep thinking wn stands for WikiNews 20:00:13 And then I get all confused when it's a dictionary 20:00:42 So... uh... what is the other kind of esoterica? 20:01:44 pls help 20:01:48 The other kind of esoteric is..... uh... it is "the other kind of esoterica", such as, other things. 20:02:03 However, there are other things on this channel too. 20:02:32 ThatOtherPerson: stuff the mutaween would beat the shit out of you for knowing 20:02:50 ThatOtherPerson: we don't talk about the other kind of esoterica 20:03:10 Bike: It's normally not pronounced like that 20:03:36 did i pronounce anything... 20:03:40 yes 20:03:44 ThatOtherPerson: if this was the channel for that kind of esoterica we could tell you 20:03:44 what 20:03:45 O, you mean the rules of Paranoia. 20:03:47 "hypothetically" 20:04:41 olsner: by telling me that you actually told me 20:05:24 It's stuff to do with mystery religion, esoteric literature, magic, etc 20:06:28 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexgreycosm/entheon-the-alex-grey-visionary-art-experience 20:07:52 ooh, a crazy with actual business sense, sign me up 20:08:04 alex grey's art is awesomely un-subtle 20:08:17 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FOG2zo3aUBc/TomkDyC3AHI/AAAAAAAAA7w/UGFu54hiYfo/s1600/alex-grey-albert-hofmann.jpeg 20:08:21 are you sure because i have no idea what https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/540/100/468be0aa20b5f32bf1522f78ef1987da_large.png?1366833317 is saying 20:08:33 ok, well, that's a bit more obvious 20:08:39 "immmmmmmmmmmmm on drugggggggggggzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" 20:08:48 http://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/copulating.jpg uh nsfw, I guess? 20:08:55 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 20:08:58 i've seen so many of these paintings 20:09:08 i saw his gallery in NYC before it closed 20:09:10 surrounded by 'wtf' of course and uncredited 20:09:25 i like the wires in the copulation 20:09:30 http://keepitight.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/alex_grey-artists_hand1.jpeg 20:10:05 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 20:10:28 this guy has films huh 20:10:49 whee I'm building blender 20:11:00 http://www.nathanspoor.com/images/Blisss_AlexGrey_4.jpg 20:11:08 i like how there's an actual term for getting high as shit and painting 20:11:12 is there 20:11:15 'visionary art', i've got a whole damn book of it 20:11:42 heh fair enough 20:11:44 there's a museum of it in like pennsylvania 20:11:53 half made by people in asylums, it's great 20:12:02 There's one in Baltimore, too. 20:12:11 have you ever wanted to see a Bush caricature with a pope hat shitting on a flag? then have i got the genre for you 20:12:26 Some pretty haunting stuff, mostly non-high people from strange backgrounds. 20:12:39 yeah, lots of schizophrenics, which gets a bit sad 20:16:14 Is it just me or does some of his work look slightly Hindu? 20:16:35 Vote in my polls on ifMUD. 20:16:48 There are also a lot of self-promoters who use the label as a marketing ploy. "I never learned how to draw, here's why that's a good thing" 20:18:46 ThatOtherPerson: http://kmrao.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mahabharata_war.jpg the resemblance is amazing 20:18:58 * impomatic has just received a copy of "Lost Treasures of Infocom volume 2" :-) 20:20:29 impomatic: Can you make a copy of the headers of each file? 20:22:19 Headers? How? 20:22:39 The first 64 bytes of each story file is the header. 20:23:08 Okay, will do later. It's in the office at the moment. 20:23:17 Feel free to remind me if I forget. 20:23:23 (I think the extension is usually ".DAT" for Infocom story files, although other extensions are ".ZIP" and ".Z?") 20:23:28 I Also have LToI v1 20:24:29 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Lost-Treasures-of-Infocom-II-Mac-/161017562410?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item257d65052a 20:24:36 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Lost-Treasures-of-Infocom-Mac-/161017559981?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item257d64fbad 20:24:48 Might be worth a bid at $0.99 :-) 20:25:39 Except for version 6 games, it doesn't matter whether it is for Macintosh or PC or Commodore 64 or whatever; the story files will be the same for any computer. 20:25:54 zzo38: I assume you want the headers because you're looking for slightly different versions? 20:26:11 (The Z-machine version number is stored in the first byte of the story file.) 20:26:14 impomatic: Yes. 20:26:49 I've got the story files running on my Android tablet, Nintendo DS and PC. :-) 20:28:06 Can you get them to run on the Nintendo Family Computer? 20:28:37 http://25.media.tumblr.com/a807adb86169318f6fa991bb3240f266/tumblr_mit8ojvpyV1rsromyo1_500.jpg 20:29:42 I'm using DSFrotz. 20:29:51 -!- xifeng has quit (Quit: Page closed). 20:30:47 That is very good, but I want to be able to run it on older computers too. 20:32:48 Have you ever written any games for the Z-machine? 20:33:40 I'm also after some other classic adventure games, e.g. by Magnetic Scrolls and Level 9. 20:34:12 No, never written anything for the Z-Machine. I tried some of the earlier systems, The Quill, TADS, etc. 20:34:33 The I wrote a couple of adventures in assembly language :-) (Only one published) 20:34:42 I am writing a converter OASYS -> Z-machine. Perhaps other program can be made too, to convert the files for other system into Z-machine, too. 20:34:53 Assembly language for what computers? 20:40:07 PC. I started writing in Z80 for the ZX Spectrum but I didn't think anyone would be interested. So I switched to PC. 20:42:17 Even though object numbers in Z-machine go up to 65535, there is not enough RAM for 65535 objects, therefore I made Z-machine version 9 and version 10 which allow twice and quadruple amount of RAM. 20:43:44 (Z-machine versions 9 and 10 also support twice as many properties, although only the first 63 have default values.) 20:49:56 (The default values for the rest of the properties would overlap the object headers.) 20:56:30 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:01:22 -!- Bike has joined. 21:06:19 -!- Bike_ has joined. 21:09:12 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:16:44 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:20:44 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:29:01 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 21:34:23 -!- Tanea has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:42:54 -!- copumpkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:43:29 -!- copumpkin has joined. 21:52:14 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:52:47 -!- copumpkin has joined. 21:59:42 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 22:11:04 -!- PonyPonyPony has changed nick to Gregor. 22:18:50 "So glad that you rethought FTC [French Toast Crunch]! It really is one of the few redeeming qualities about Canada." 22:28:45 -!- Mathnerd626 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:31:30 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:42:14 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 22:50:49 -!- mnoqy has joined. 22:55:41 -!- augur has joined. 22:55:50 yessssss i saw a mourning dove and a bluejay and a baby rabbit 22:55:52 <3 22:57:43 were they in a band 22:58:02 no 22:58:09 they were in port authority in the late 80s 22:58:20 back when it was entirely made of small animals 22:58:21 the bluejay was yelling at a robin though 22:58:24 the golden era 22:59:36 yaweegan 22:59:59 ? 23:00:09 am i the god of the israelites now 23:00:19 i knew it 23:00:36 shouldn't the band be called like hrairhain or some shit 23:01:07 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:01:33 it stood for yawg keegan 23:01:49 but you can anything you want if you grow up hth 23:02:45 oerjan: So, over 8% 23:03:45 and what does yawg stand for 23:04:00 yo dawg 23:04:12 do i have to expand everything around here 23:04:43 can you expand the at sign 23:04:48 directed acyclic word graph? 23:06:15 awww baby rabbits 23:06:29 kmc: I didn't sleep all night and now I have an airplaneflight at 8:55. 23:06:40 Maybe I won't sleep all night again???????????? 23:06:43 that would be v. bad 23:06:46 rabbits always look terrified, it's a bit unsettling 23:06:50 Unless I sleep now, maybe. 23:07:28 yeah, there's a family of rabbits outside my work and I always get upset that I scare them off when I walk home :< 23:08:01 shachaf: i'm only really an expert in elliottian sleep, but nonetheless i recommend as a layman that you should strongly consider sleeping 23:10:09 Bike: um, i recommend that too 23:10:11 "but how" 23:10:50 lay down in bed, close your eyes, and take a SHITLOAD of opiates 23:11:24 um 23:14:44 or without the opiates if you're like a normal person 23:15:12 i'm not like a normal person and i'm not a big fan of opioids right now hth 23:15:54 maybe without the opiates anyway, hth 23:16:31 Bike: i think they are always terrified 23:16:38 at least when there are huge lumbering apes around 23:17:00 there are a bunch of rabbits that live behind the Stata Center at MIT 23:17:33 probably, that's why it's unsettling 23:17:38 "shit, am i doing this" 23:22:14 am i a rabbit 23:22:28 are you terrified 23:23:36 i'm terrified of the unknown 23:23:41 i'm terrified of terror itself 23:24:04 sounds like the definition of terror 23:24:42 i'm terrified of long fingernails, low-thread-count linen, and maps of jamaica 23:24:53 i'm not terrified of Bike 23:25:54 that;s good 23:26:11 perhaps Bike is what you should be terrified of 23:26:36 am i a rabbit y/n 23:27:31 the only thing we have to fear is fear itself and shachaf 23:27:42 elliott.cmccann.moed++ 23:30:41 -!- BillyZane has joined. 23:30:54 ah.. hi 23:31:38 `welcome BillyZane 23:31:40 BillyZane: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 23:32:25 oh, this is a programming language? 23:32:31 i thought it was a secret society 23:33:56 it's a secret society for programming languages 23:34:08 for some values of "secret" 23:34:10 It's not itself a programming language, but it's about programming languages. Specifically, those not particularly intended for practical use. Although we're rarely on topic. 23:34:46 I'm afraid we're more secrete than secret. 23:35:20 -!- shachaf has set topic: is always on topic | Habemus Debiam! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 23:35:24 -!- shachaf has set topic: #esoteric is always on topic | Habemus Debiam! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 23:36:09 BillyZane: it is. 23:36:24 it's so secret none of us know what it's actually for 23:36:34 Shouldn't that be HABEMVS DEBIAM? 23:37:03 does that mean we secrete things or... whath does that mean 23:37:07 fftfi 23:37:09 lol 23:37:17 elliott: imo make the channel +s for extra secretism. 23:37:32 i am +s 23:37:36 i don't even know what that does on freenode and that's ok 23:37:43 adds secrecy 23:37:45 i have a secret. i'm an idiot. i've discovered my intellectual plateau and it's not much higher than a dish washer 23:37:58 you can put dishwashers pretty high up 23:38:13 Yeah, they are one of the greater kitchen appliances. 23:38:15 i feel so distraut 23:38:16 they don't need to boil water or anything, you could have a dishwasher on top of K2 or whatever and it'd work, if you had power 23:38:26 so aspire for your plateau to be as high as Leng 23:38:41 Bike 23:38:46 did you read the all-shirts comic yet 23:38:51 no 23:38:53 http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=397 23:38:54 shachaf 23:38:56 are you asleep 23:39:01 practically 23:39:29 imo if you're not asleep you're a bad man 23:40:08 Bike(); 23:44:26 -!- ais523 has quit. 23:45:01 -!- augur has joined. 23:45:44 Internet Quiz Engine now has four files. We should add some more, please. 23:46:44 Here's a file for you: 'zzo38\n\n\n' 23:46:52 (With no newline at the end.) 23:47:17 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:47:17 Bike: so tired ..... d. . 23:47:27 bye shachaf 23:52:34 -!- augur has joined. 23:53:29 * kmc using Newton's method to take cube roots of 500 digit numbers 23:53:32 it's super effective! 23:53:55 itym Leibniz's method 23:54:12 lolololol 23:54:33 shachaf you seem pretty bad at sleeping 23:54:51 Bike: thanks for noticing 23:55:51 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 23:57:47 @where c/c++ # kmc 23:57:47 "C/C++ : A new language for the new Millennium" by Richard Heathfield in 2005-02 at 23:59:00 reverse reverse polish notation