00:00:39 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:02:41 speaking of number stations, http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt1659338/ 00:03:05 damn i was hoping for a film produced for intelligence purposes 00:03:13 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 00:03:44 the trailer implies that number station has a person reading numbers for three days off of a fancy computer screen 00:04:18 rather than one of the rather more convenient-looking automatic contraptions you can get from spending 5 minutes on wikipedia 00:05:31 olsner: Some number stations are some guy reading numbers off a screen though. 00:15:22 What's a number station? 00:15:58 A radio station that broadcasts data probably for intelligence agencies, in the form of a voice reading out numbers. 00:16:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station 00:17:31 If my computer weren't too crappy to click links, I'd click. 00:17:43 roll 00:17:53 As it is, I'm getting significant lag between typing letters and seeing the letters on my screen 00:18:02 And my IRC client is on my local machine 00:18:34 -!- hr_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:18:49 -rol-l 00:19:35 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 00:21:11 omg i love number stations 00:22:21 they creep me out imo 00:22:23 i like em tho 00:22:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:22:41 in conclusion I give numbers stations 3.5 out of 5 stars 00:23:06 i hear that numbers station film is p. bad 00:23:24 star-based rating is for losers, imo 00:23:40 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 00:23:52 15372949184 00:23:55 610592867391 00:24:00 29512533134 00:24:05 70492868742 00:24:07 3.5 thumbs 00:24:13 15372949184 00:24:14 (out of five thumbs) 00:24:18 3.5 thumbs out of five *displays jar* 00:24:31 mnoqy: this is reminding me of your thumbs comic do you remember it 00:24:35 copumpkin: hi 00:24:38 elliott: yes 00:24:41 29512533134 00:24:54 http://www.rpgnow.com/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=113067&reviews_id=89327 five out of five stars! 00:25:02 in the far future we will decode copumpkin's numbers and they will say "eliot stinks" 00:25:12 101 00:25:13 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/misc-finished/diner.png 00:25:14 who's eliot 00:25:18 Bike: a guy whom stinks 00:25:29 whom? ಠ_ಠ 00:25:40 * copumpkin slaps elliott 00:25:55 Bike: elliott's estranged brother. 00:26:03 copumpkin: misusing whom is possibly the best thing 00:26:09 it'd be funny if parents named all their children variations on that name 00:26:12 I don't know whom on earth could have a problem with it 00:26:12 perhaps he's elliott's evil twin 00:26:16 EIGHT SIX SEVEN THREE NINE 00:26:18 EIGHT SIX SEVEN THREE NINE 00:26:25 (elliott is taneb's evil twin) 00:26:27 ♫ merry go round tune ♫ 00:26:28 you forgot the 5 and 0 00:26:32 in italian there's a saying about spitting out numbers 00:26:37 copumpkin: peano's younger brother was called peanso 00:26:43 then peansso, peanssso, ... 00:26:43 kmc, that's an ice cream van tune! 00:26:44 elliott: groan 00:26:55 Phantom___Hoover: are you telling me the ice cream vans are run by the CIA 00:26:57 shiiiiiiiiiiit 00:27:00 http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=106131 00:27:12 kmc, i forget, have you heard of the ice cream wars 00:27:14 Phantom___Hoover: i think the fact that the number station tunes are so reminiscent of that is what makes them so creepy 00:27:19 Phantom___Hoover: yes 00:27:23 in glasgow 00:27:40 it's all fun and games until a family of 5 are burnt to death 00:27:58 copumpkin: suck it math nerds 00:28:00 Phantom___Hoover: and then it's glasgow? 00:28:16 actually it was 6 00:28:35 "The conflicts, in which vendors raided one another's vans and fired shotguns into one another's windscreens, were more violent than might typically be expected between ice-cream salesmen." oh wikipedia 00:28:57 Bike :( 00:29:09 * copumpkin just ordered a pizza for pickup 00:29:10 wow Bike, you're hurting copumpkin's feelings. 00:29:27 suck it!!! 00:29:32 what should I suck? 00:29:40 ICE CREAM 00:30:02 elliott, i was thinking a while ago how weird it would be if you had a really classy numbers station 00:30:32 the tune is played by an orchestra, the numbers are read with powerful emotion, that sort of thing 00:31:10 numbers read out like a bingo announcer 00:31:18 i'm laughing at my own concept 00:33:30 Bingo station. 00:33:42 Get it official, advertise radio bingo. 00:33:58 it could happen 00:34:13 For the old lady gamblers that can't get out of the home. 00:34:31 Of course, use the bingo numbers for your number station. 00:34:47 "B5" "OH SHIT" 00:34:50 old lady gamblers in the abhwehr 00:36:58 * ThatOtherPerson likes ice cream and goes off to ice cream land fornever! 00:36:58 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: ICE CREAM LAND). 00:41:22 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:49:27 it was a huge mistake to join that web startup 00:49:36 i feel like a total failure even though it was never something I really wanted to be doing in the first place 00:49:57 i need to learn how to say 'no' to people 01:03:03 Blargh, Factor's JSON library uses 91 write1 and 93 write1 rather than having the source actually, say, mention [ and ] as such 01:03:07 So much for readability? 01:03:26 lolol 01:03:27 f u, readability. 01:03:40 let f = u 01:04:36 Then again, it's Factor, is Factor meant to be readable? I guess it's usually more readable than J, unless you happen to not recognize a word 01:05:19 Mentioned that in another channel, someone said that tooling makes that situation less painful 01:09:20 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 01:11:48 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:12:35 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 01:14:02 There's something... sublime about this line of code 01:14:17 [ ] [ queue>> ] [ timeout ] tri mailbox-get-timeout 01:15:54 * kmc smokes two joints 01:16:05 'beautiful' 01:16:25 what's it do (also how (also why)) 01:17:08 Passes an object, the queue stored in an object, and .. the result of calling timeout on the object, to mailbox-get-timeout 01:17:11 factor's site is down so i can't check docs. Cool 01:20:05 kmc: left and right? 01:20:19 in the afternoon. 01:20:30 shachaf: Å‘_Å‘ 01:20:50 does that emoticon indicate two joints for each eye 01:20:54 yes 01:21:47 but is the left eye disjoint from the right eye 01:22:09 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:24:16 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/606955481/the-gym-0 01:26:20 why 01:28:41 I just paid for something I really don't care about: Reddit Gold 01:28:48 Well, I've wanted to try it, but not particularly badly 01:30:14 is that a bitcoin ghint 01:31:28 I just want to see /r/lobby 01:32:00 what's that 01:32:23 Subreddit for Reddit Gold people 01:32:39 so you got reddit gold so that you could use a reddit for people with reddit gold 01:32:42 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Heartland.png get high 01:32:49 Bike: don't worry they're all there because of their own merits 01:33:02 Bike: what 01:33:12 The Heartland lay at the centre of the world island, stretching from the Volga to the Yangtze and from the Himalayas to the Arctic. Mackinder's Heartland was the area then ruled by the Russian Empire and after that by the Soviet Union, minus the Kamchatka Peninsula region. 01:33:25 i repeat: what 01:35:14 so crunk 01:35:36 http://25.media.tumblr.com/d9d627e659cb57a8d56a49cc5e4acc87/tumblr_mm8r95MlVO1qb4dbmo1_1280.jpg anyway 01:37:24 Bike: amazing 01:37:54 PLT_SeinfeldToday_ebooks 01:38:33 surely his works on evolution would naturally counter the arguments of God? 01:39:34 Maybe it depend of what arguments. 01:39:39 Maybe. 01:40:21 Should I assume that zizek_ebooks isn't a real person? 01:41:15 no 01:41:23 should i assume that you aren't a real person 01:41:58 I assume anyone matching the glob *_ebooks is not a real person 01:42:06 -!- Sgeo has changed nick to Sgeo_ebooks. 01:42:45 zizek_ebooks is literally zizek's ebook, serialised in twitter form, imo 01:43:12 I don't even know who Zizek is 01:43:20 my condolences 01:47:04 kmc: how was your junction 01:47:16 (a junction is made of two joints. get it??) 01:48:28 * Sgeo_ebooks now has access to /r/lounge 01:48:39 'Now that I have reddit gold, where is this Golden Shower i've been hearing about....' 01:50:53 what is the reddit gold subreddit like Sgeo_ebooks 01:50:58 i've always wanted to know 01:51:11 like what are the posts even about?? 01:51:30 Images of gold stuff 01:51:47 "If we exempted goldmembers from anti-spam measures, spammers would just sign up and unleash a torrent of spam. They might even demand their money back when we finally stopped them, and in our experience, they'll end up getting it despite our protests." 01:51:48 that's perfect 01:52:24 something something capitalism something something downfall of humanity something something sgeo 01:52:42 shachaf: it was lie :'( 01:52:50 kmc: oh no 01:52:51 Sgeo_ebooks: ... 01:53:06 kmc: and why did you stop the lie 01:53:09 * kmc wonders if Sgeo knows what a golden shower is 01:54:07 'Why yes, I did get gold for a recommendation in r/headphones.' (A link to http://cdn.head-fi.org/e/ea/1000x500px-LL-ead4edf4_gold.jpg ) 01:54:17 kmc, yes, and I assume the person who posted that does too 01:54:27 k 01:54:35 are you violating the terms of service by posting this stuff in a public channel!!! 01:54:52 Sgeo is a Maker and the rest of us are Takers 01:55:16 wow Sgeo elliott maked a good point 01:55:58 are you the scum of the earth aka tos violator 01:56:32 -!- madbr has joined. 01:56:41 any of you guys interested in cpu design? 01:56:47 I ... don't know what Reddit policy is about sharing stuff from private subreddits 01:56:52 madbr: I have some interest. 01:56:54 How Zizekian are these CPUs? 01:56:56 madbr: yeah, i don't know much though 01:57:04 There's a text post reminding people about mother's day since some may have ads disabled 01:57:07 is Sgeo going to federal prison for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act? 01:57:40 bike : zizekian? 01:57:54 of or relating to zizek, a slovenian philosopher. 01:58:06 they are not 01:58:52 kmc: i was at maru ichi today!! 01:58:57 "coïncidence" 01:58:59 kmc: I know enough to know that 01:59:03 jumps are evil 01:59:05 Someone was banned from /r/lounge for being annoying 01:59:08 memory loads are evil 01:59:13 memory stores are evil 01:59:26 Posting political stuff, a lot got on the front page 01:59:37 madbr: without memory stores where would you buy memory.............. 01:59:38 ALU instructions are the best instructions 01:59:51 so, madbr's computer is the Z3 02:01:14 On esolang wiki there is something called "Checkout", which does memory differently, and is meant for GPU programming 02:03:11 usually that kind of GPU stuff isn't very good at instruction-to-instruction feedback 02:04:24 The CSS styling of /r/lounge is beautiful 02:06:18 instructions per cycle count has been limited at 4 for so long that it's not funny 02:06:44 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:07:10 (more than 4 on some RISCs but I dunno if those are actually any faster than x86, which does have this limit afaik) 02:08:07 -!- augur has joined. 02:10:30 and limits on numbers of ports mean that we're not likely to get much higher than that 02:13:58 yeah, x86 is limited by... its registers 02:16:54 like, not the registers themselves 02:17:08 but the wires that go into and out of the registers to read and write values 02:24:48 -!- lahwran has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:27:52 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:28:21 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:30:56 woa, the p2 can handle 4 different cache misses at the same time 02:31:03 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:31:06 that's... both fascinating and horrifying 02:33:09 -!- Fiora has joined. 02:33:45 is that weird? 02:40:08 -!- Sgeo_ebooks has changed nick to Sgeo. 02:40:19 Cybertown once had a promotional thing for Pentium 3 owners 02:40:30 I have no idea how they actually checked if you had a P3 02:40:47 You got 'Homebuilder' homes that you could customize 02:41:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Controversy_about_privacy_issues 02:41:39 "The Pentium III was the first x86 CPU to include a unique, retrievable, identification number, called PSN (Processor Serial Number). A Pentium III's PSN can be read by software through the CPUID instruction" 02:41:52 but can you do it through javascript 02:41:57 i sort of wonder if we would have the same outcry 10 years later 02:42:09 http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/worldbuildersguild/message/4380?o=1&d=-1 02:42:10 privacy is so 90's 02:43:14 Well, Cybertown 3d users had to install a plugin, but the plugin wasn't controlled by Cybertown, and I don't think general Cybertown usage required 3d 02:43:22 Although maybe for that particular thing? 02:43:24 losing privacy to get me better book recs is just so convenient! 02:43:48 I don't know, according to that post it was opened to everyone sometime before or shortly after I became a CT resident 02:44:07 (And yes, there's an option not included: 'long after I became a CT resident') 02:44:20 * Fiora heard something about cpu something 02:44:24 sgeo just how many of these online cyber doofus things have you been in 02:44:43 That I've stayed in or just visited? 02:44:58 Whichever. 02:45:50 hi Fiora 02:46:20 -!- mnoqy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:47:34 Cybertown, Worlds.com, Active Worlds, Adobe Atmosphere, there's one whose name I flat out cannot recall I can't find any hint of it anywhere I miss it, Metaplace, There.com, iCity, IMVU (probably the only one I really dislike), Virtual Planet, an older AW clone, a few other AW universes including one pirated one 02:47:41 I think there's a lot I'm forgetting 02:47:51 Does Metaplace count? It's not 3d 02:48:00 Moove 02:48:25 Muse, although that one was dead by the time I got there 02:48:42 I remember wanting OSMP to do real well 02:48:46 I think that's dead now 02:48:58 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:48:58 oh my Active Worlds 02:49:04 All the nostalgy 02:49:10 -!- oklofok has joined. 02:49:22 Lumpio-, are you referring to my nostalgic tendencies, or have you been there? 02:49:47 s/Virtual Planet/Virtual Paradise/. And add Virtual Planets to the list 02:50:31 Oh, you're referring to how many are AW related I guess 02:50:42 Virtual Paradise is also an AW clone 02:51:00 I used to use it. 02:51:03 Like ages ago. As a kid. 02:51:04 Hmm. There was one called Flatland, I think I found AW because of it, and I found it because of the book 02:51:07 Lumpio-, awesome 02:51:11 You know it still exists, right? 02:51:25 Were you ever a cit? 02:51:47 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 02:51:48 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:52:07 Oh yeah, I checked it out a couple of years ago. Trolled everybody with my small fat midged avatar. Customizations yay 02:52:12 Nah, I never paid for it. 02:52:22 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:52:27 `run gccrun 'int name[12],i;for(i=0;i<3;i++){asm("cpuid":"=a"(name[4*i]),"=b"(name[4*i+1]),"=c"(name[4*i+2]),"=d"(name[4*i+3]):"a"(0x80000002+i));}puts((char*)name);' 02:52:36 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6128 02:52:50 ._. 02:52:59 Lumpio-, customizability of avs is rather new to AW 02:53:05 yes 02:53:16 -!- mnoqy has joined. 02:53:18 It sure wasn't possible back in $ages_ago 02:54:34 I joined shortly before it locked out tourists for a few months 02:54:54 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 02:57:08 kmc: that's really cool 02:57:15 it's like, an IRC command that makes the bot print its CPUID 02:57:40 yeah i just read about this feature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPUID#EAX.3D80000002h.2C80000003h.2C80000004h:_Processor_Brand_String 02:57:51 there's a ton of fun things in there, I think 02:58:06 I remember looking at the amd cpuid specification manual, it's like hundreds of pages long 02:58:18 for... one instruction? 02:58:29 probably some undocumented features in there :) 02:58:46 Bike: it's basically a generic "look up info about the cpu" instruction where the arguments are registers 02:58:56 I mean like, performance counters are probably hundreds of pages too 02:58:59 probably even worse <_> 02:59:14 yeah I should learn how to use those sometime 02:59:34 i mean I've run 'perf' but I want to learn how it works at the instruction set level 02:59:39 yeah I have no idea 02:59:45 they're privileged instructions I think 02:59:51 I think it's kernel drivers using those cpu "model-specific register" things 02:59:54 i could add performance counters to JOS 03:00:00 it's probably completely insane 03:00:25 it's cool that Intel / AMD even have a systems programming manual 03:00:29 instead of just telling Microsoft ;P 03:00:29 Like restarting a machine? 03:00:44 i think restarting is more of a platform thing than a CPU thing 03:00:53 maybe either / both 03:00:56 iirc something about triple-faulting 03:01:06 yeah that is one way to reset the processor 03:01:11 but it won't cleanly reset all of the other hardware 03:01:22 which is why it was used as a quick way for the 286 to get back into real mode 03:02:03 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000001));}int family=((a>>8)&0xf) + ((a>>20)&0xff);int model=((a>>4)&0xf) + ((a>>12)&0xf0);printf("f:%d m:%d",family,model);' 03:02:07 ​/tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: ‘a’ undeclared here (not in a function) \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before string constant \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘family’ \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: err 03:02:44 I have written a CPUID program similar to that once, in assembly language though, using the DOS DEBUG program. 03:02:51 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000001));int family=((a>>8)&0xf) + ((a>>20)&0xff);int model=((a>>4)&0xf) + ((a>>12)&0xf0);printf("f:%d m:%d",family,model);' 03:02:54 f:16 m:9 03:03:00 :3 03:03:11 Family Sixteen sounds like a cultist compound thing 03:05:17 SYNTAX: SYNTAX: scan-new-word parse-definition define-syntax ; 03:07:42 Run, gcc, run 03:10:46 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(edx&0x00800000)puts("MMX ");if(edx&0x02000000)puts("SSE ");if(edx&0x04000000)puts("SSE2 ");if(ecx&0x00000001)puts("SSE3 ");if(ecx&0x00000200)puts("SSSE3 ");if(ecx&0x10000000)puts("AVX "); 03:10:47 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 03:11:06 oh 03:11:22 hypothesis: bash is impossible 03:11:22 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(d&0x00800000) puts("MMX ");if(d&0x02000000) puts("SSE ");if(d&0x04000000) puts("SSE2 ");if(c&0x00000001) puts("SSE3 ");if(c&0x00000200) puts("SSSE3 ");if(c&0x10000000) puts("AVX "); 03:11:24 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 03:11:28 wait what @_@ 03:11:31 you forgot the closing ' 03:11:35 ... >_< 03:11:36 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(d&0x00800000) puts("MMX ");if(d&0x02000000) puts("SSE ");if(d&0x04000000) puts("SSE2 ");if(c&0x00000001) puts("SSE3 ");if(c&0x00000200) puts("SSSE3 ");if(c&0x10000000) puts("AVX ");' 03:11:39 MMX \ SSE \ SSE2 \ SSE3 03:12:22 no avx for youuuuu 03:13:54 `gccrun int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80}; 03:13:58 No output. 03:14:14 help how do i do miuaf programs 03:14:28 `run gccrun 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' 03:14:31 No output. 03:15:15 `run echo 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' > blah.c; gcc -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:15:19 bash: line 1: 292 Segmentation fault ./blah 03:15:37 is that even a 32 bit machine 03:15:42 `run echo 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' > blah.c; gcc -m32 -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:15:46 ​/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc \ /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc \ /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc \ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status \ bash: ./blah: No such file or directory 03:15:52 I guess it's not. :-( 03:15:56 I thought HackEgo was 32-bit! 03:15:57 Fiora: quick, cpuid magic to see how big pointers are! 03:16:05 Bike: 48 bits hth 03:16:10 !!!!! 03:16:12 `gccrun printf("%u\n",sizeof(void*)); 03:16:15 8 03:16:27 pfft 03:16:30 that has a bunch of extra bits 03:16:39 `run grep 'address size' /proc/cpuinfo 03:16:40 No output. 03:16:45 welp. 03:16:49 `cat /proc/cpuinfo 03:16:50 processor: 0 \ vendor_id: User Mode Linux \ model name: UML \ mode: skas \ host: Linux codu.org 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 00:01:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 \ bogomips: 1810.43 03:16:58 `paste /proc/cpuinfo 03:17:01 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//proc/cpuinfo 03:17:06 `run uname -a 03:17:07 Linux umlbox 3.7.0-umlbox #1 Wed Feb 13 23:30:40 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux 03:17:09 `paste < /proc/cpuinfo 03:17:11 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/%3C%20/proc/cpuinfo 03:17:12 i;m a genius. 03:17:17 You can't pushl %ecx on amd64? 03:17:23 `run paste < /proc/cpuinfo 03:17:28 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27444 03:17:31 * kmc has been to this dance before 03:17:58 kind of a shitty dance tbh 03:19:09 Can I at least be happy at never having to touch a line of PHP at work? 03:19:09 no u 03:19:21 no, ,sgeo, you're not allowed to be happy. 03:21:43 Bike: I have no idea if that's in cpuid... I guess it might be 03:22:21 maybe you should consult your ten thousand page manual. 03:23:42 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000008));printf("physical address bits: %d",a&0xff);' 03:23:44 physical address bits: 48 03:23:48 yayyyyy 03:23:57 ok i... thought that was a joke. 03:24:03 you win this round, amd 03:24:18 `run file $(which gccrun) 03:24:19 ​/hackenv/bin/gccrun: POSIX shell script text executable 03:24:23 `cat gccrun 03:24:25 cat: gccrun: No such file or directory 03:24:30 `cat bin/gccrun 03:24:31 ​#!/bin/sh \ \ if [ "$#" = 0 ]; then \ echo "usage: $0 [-w wrapper] " >&2 \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ if [ "$1" = -w ]; then \ wrapper="$2" \ shift 2 \ fi \ \ f=$(mktemp -d -t gccrun.XXXXXXXX) || exit 1 \ cat > "$f/command.c" << EOF \ #define _GNU_SOURCE \ #include \ #include \ #include 03:25:02 blurgh 03:26:51 oh, so it's 48 on _64 and 32 on _32 03:27:19 `gccrun const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489, 0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d, 0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f}; 03:27:21 No output. 03:27:41 `run echo 'const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489, 0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d, 0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f};' > blah.c; gcc -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:27:43 AuthenticAMD 03:28:20 Hmph. 03:28:46 CyrixInstead 03:29:15 Bike: CPUID Fn8000_0008_EAX Long Mode Address Size Identifiers 03:29:16 7:0 03:29:33 This function returns information about the maximum physical and linear address width (in bits) supported by 03:29:36 the processor. The width reported is the maximum supported in any mode. 03:29:42 (yes I pulled up the manual okay XD) 03:29:52 was it the intel manual or the amd manual 03:31:25 you know i'm a bit disappointed that i don't see the 'main is usually a function' warnings 03:33:04 um the intel one 03:33:05 er 03:33:06 amdfkl 03:33:07 sdf 03:33:09 AMD manual 03:33:21 Bike: does it do that with -Wall? 03:33:29 i don't know 03:33:43 `run echo 'const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489,0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d,0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f};' > blah.c;gcc -Wall -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:33:45 blah.c:1: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘main’ \ blah.c:1: warning: ‘main’ is usually a function \ AuthenticAMD 03:33:51 :D!!! 03:33:57 kmc's blog!! 03:34:08 wooo 03:34:12 free advertising 03:34:20 congratulations kmc you've made it into the gcc trunk! 03:34:22 "the big time" 03:34:59 When is main not a function in C? 03:35:28 Um, I guess if you make main be a pointer to machine code, which I guess is what Fiora's doing 03:35:36 Well, array, apparently there's a difference? 03:35:45 yeah, many differences between arrays and pointers 03:35:57 that was shachaf's 03:36:04 http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/c/array-pointer.html 03:36:24 https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/the_ksplice_pointer_challenge 03:37:05 http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/chist.html has some historical insight 03:37:11 and is generally a v. interesting read 03:37:18 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:38:06 Why doesn't amd64 support push %ecx? 03:38:51 um, I think it should? 03:38:53 was the encoding re-used for smoething else? 03:39:05 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 03:39:25 oh... I guess it doesn't. 03:39:26 oh, it's re-used for push %rcx 03:39:43 yeah, there's no "REX + PUSH" for 32-bit push on 64-bit 03:39:47 huh, I had no idea 03:39:56 I guess I had never had any reason to do it XD 03:40:37 any other use - implicit pointer conversion 03:40:37 Any other use of an array results in a pointer to the first array element (the array "decays" to a pointer). 03:40:45 That.. makes it all make sense 03:40:54 Do you know some thing about Z-machine? 03:41:15 zzo38: I know a few things. 03:41:16 Or I did once. 03:41:28 Hmm, no, I don't know anything useful about Z-machine anymore. 03:41:41 what's the difference between "a pointer to the entire array" and "a pointer to the first element" 03:43:18 type 03:43:22 sizeof 03:44:25 Bike: Did you see that mauke page? 03:44:26 so if there's char[] a, &a is a char[]* and a in "any other context" as defined is a char*? 03:44:32 i'm looking at the mauke page 03:45:05 "char[] a" is a syntax error. 03:45:15 uh, I think a and &a are indistinguishable, i was comparing a to &a[0] 03:45:22 i could have it all wrong tho :/ 03:45:36 it says &a is a pointer to the entire array, but the decaded array is a pointer to the first element. 03:46:40 they're making a Jurassic Park 4?? 03:48:45 Why is cpuid suddenly not working? 03:49:11 -!- madbr has quit (Quit: Radiateur). 03:50:56 CyrixInstead 03:52:38 "Arrays by themselves are nearly useless in C" well alright. 03:53:50 "Bikes by themselves are nearly useless in IRC" 03:54:01 :o! 03:54:45 :ê™® 03:55:28 Shouldn't it be the other way, since it's an eye? 03:55:31 ê™®o 03:55:42 It's an o. 03:55:49 Made of eyes! 03:55:57 Let's compromise on ê™®a66e 03:55:59 Er. 03:56:05 ꙮꙮ 03:56:15 I'm ok with that. 03:56:16 i blame mosh 03:56:18 i blosh 03:56:28 http://25.media.tumblr.com/ff67367a6dd1d74e55c8a0e1b1432b75/tumblr_mliya4L9ty1rsblalo1_500.png 03:58:02 kmc: What's going on with const main[] = {0x1c89a20f,0x24548924,0x244c8904,0xffc03108,0x48c789c0,0x0cbae689,0x0f000000,0x003cb805,0x050f0000}; ? 03:58:13 some numbers enclosed in curly braces, separated by commas 03:58:16 (You're supposed to be the expert.) 03:58:22 Why isn't the cpuid working? 03:58:58 you didn't set %eax before invoking cpuid 03:59:04 ...Oh. 03:59:18 I deleted that thinking it was leftover from the syscall I was doing before. 03:59:36 theegan 04:07:19 My boss implied that modern browser implies modern computer 04:07:22 :/ 04:07:28 the fool 04:07:41 postmodern browser 04:11:08 -!- conehead has joined. 04:40:47 feel slightly weird helping random people on IRC crack passwords 04:41:23 oh no 04:41:27 what's going on 04:41:33 ##crypto 04:43:01 I am feeling like I'm doing someone's homework -_- 04:43:03 but I'm too nice not to 04:43:15 It's not nice to do people's homework. 04:43:16 my irc experience right there 04:43:21 It makes the world a worse place. 04:43:34 though i usually go for the approach of trying to get them to do their own homework 04:43:45 which takes four times as long and ends with me extraordinarily frustrated, half the time 04:44:06 I approve of helping people figure things out. 04:44:14 Maybe next time they'll be able to figure them out without my help. 04:44:24 wooo the ming allied with me ryukyu and china will take over the world 04:44:44 oh no 04:44:48 what's going on 04:44:50 does the qing dynasty exist 04:44:56 or like... the manchus i guess you'd call them 04:46:16 Fiora: did i drive you out of ##fiora permanently 04:46:23 that would be a shame 04:46:40 Bike: the manchus exist too 04:48:35 ...too? 04:48:39 like there's qing /and/ manchus, or 04:49:10 the2yeah 04:49:15 er, yeah 04:49:15 there are 04:49:51 that seems confusing 04:50:05 i thought the manchus pretty much just "became" the qing, hm 04:50:05 Discussion of Chinese history can be found in #the2yeah 04:50:32 http://i.imgur.com/QAdVr5W.jpg 04:52:37 2yeah? 04:52:41 sorry 04:55:31 Oh right that whole bannerman thing 05:01:41 it was in dream of the red chamber and i was like "buhhhhh history is hard" 05:01:45 kmc: have you seen: http://www.kingtrash.com/ants/index.html 05:06:20 no 05:06:46 wow 05:13:36 "Sgeo: Do you have any conditions I should know about? My brain contains categories, but not one that matches your last input." 05:13:52 I managed to not entirely realize that that was a bot, and not a person trying to poke a bit of fun at me. 05:14:05 Even bots poke fun at you, Sgeo. 05:14:14 eh, i thought that could be a pretentious human 05:24:31 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:25:10 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 05:25:10 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:27:29 bleh 05:27:51 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:28:26 helb? 05:32:10 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:36:40 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:38:32 i should have just fucking kept my mouth shut 05:38:37 i would still have a job 05:38:54 one that I didn't love but it was fine, and I could have kept doing it for 5 more months which would be financially advantageous 05:39:01 :( 05:39:38 instead I believed them when they said they wanted my honest opinion about how things were going 05:39:48 and I guess that was a true statement because they used that information against me 05:40:22 they got rid of me because I was unhappy and kept the guy with "passion" even though he was demonstrably worse at the job on every axis 05:43:39 :-( 05:44:58 Well, job training is easier than passion training 05:47:32 yeah 05:53:19 kmccccc you'll be okay 05:53:35 i know 05:53:37 if they actually wanted you gone, they would have gotten rid of you either way, whether you said something or not 05:53:47 i'm just bitter about wasting my time and energy 05:53:59 I really did work hard and I tried to make it work despite being unhappy 05:54:01 now i feel like a fool 05:55:55 geez. you're not a fool 05:56:19 you've got experience for the future, even if some of it is learning the hard way 05:57:00 yeah 05:57:14 i should stop whining since that's how i got into this problem in the first place 06:03:50 oh well 06:04:11 fuck paul graham and everyone else for making me think that Doing a Web Startup is the ultimate test of a Real Hacker 06:04:32 if it's not clear already, 90% of my complaining about nerd culture is me projecting my own failings and insecurities 06:05:16 whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud" 06:05:45 `addquote whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud" 06:05:49 1028) whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud" 06:05:54 `quote 1027 06:05:56 1027) i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian 06:06:00 `quote 1026 06:06:02 1026) sometimes i wake up and my name has grown more consonants 06:06:04 `quote 1025 06:06:06 1025) ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language 06:06:32 `addquote you'd almost think somalian domain-name management is a bit sloppy 06:06:35 1029) you'd almost think somalian domain-name management is a bit sloppy 06:08:59 logreader quotator 06:09:05 ex-tra-ord-in-air 06:09:22 did you know every tricycle is a bicycle 06:09:27 fungot: are you vegetarian 06:09:27 kmc: but, we are far outnumbered! marle too! ayla have fun! i heard you were to be executed, dear! it was magus who killed off the forest, but you are true heros. the world, tee, hee! it's not the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos. 06:09:27 tricycles aren't even tricycles 06:09:49 what the deuce 06:10:00 wow, that was a surprisingly namedroppy fungotism 06:10:01 Bike: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! 06:10:10 slash is too i imagine 06:11:59 I give up 06:12:01 someone said something funny 06:12:06 and I tried to addquote it and it didn't work 06:12:14 except apparently the thing doesn't exist 06:12:16 so instead I'll just 06:12:18 `quote 06:12:19 748) 200 and 20 are the same different notations for the same thing 06:12:27 `quote 06:12:27 `quote 06:12:29 141) it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily. 06:12:29 419) in the title of the page it says "Well-Typed - The Haskell Consultants" but i want to know who are the haskell conraisins? 06:12:43 is it sad that I know the context to 141 immediately? 06:13:50 i'm guessing it's about quantum bogosort? 06:14:00 yup 06:14:01 `quote 06:14:03 68) [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( 06:14:07 `quote 06:14:08 487) They're (according to current plans/rumours) going to release a grand total of approximately 1.1 MeeGo devices; the N9, plus the N950 "developers only" phone, which I'm counting as 0.1 because (even though it is a MeeGo device) it's not going to actually be released. 06:14:26 `delquote 68 06:14:30 ​*poof* [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( 06:16:34 `quote 1000 06:16:36 1000) It appears magenta in my computer only because it is programmed to display bold text as magenta. 06:16:51 we have a problem, coppro. 06:17:46 what is the problem? 06:17:56 there aren't enough zzo38 quotes? 06:18:00 `quote `quote 06:18:02 310) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 311) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django 06:18:07 tsk 06:18:12 `quote "1000" 06:18:14 No output. 06:18:19 god dammit. 06:18:21 `pastequotes 06:18:25 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19326 06:18:46 `delquote 310 06:18:50 ​*poof* `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one 06:19:05 anyway 06:19:08 `quote 987 06:19:08 oh wait 06:19:09 987) i'm not actually competent at hacking things ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] [face shoved in toilet] 06:19:10 `revert 06:19:13 Done. 06:19:14 agh 06:19:16 `quote 987 06:19:18 987) `quote 1000 06:19:21 there 06:19:21 hrm 06:19:25 `quote 310 06:19:27 310) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one 06:19:29 ok good 06:19:52 Bike: why is that a good thing? 06:20:15 it's not it's apocalyptic 06:21:34 is that supposed to be magenta? 06:24:59 Do you like it to be magenta? 06:27:26 a wild zzo38 appears 06:27:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83tKYquJUI 06:29:13 kmc: probably a good start is just not hanging around those people really 06:29:25 which I guess you already kind of do? 06:29:33 well he still needs a job 06:29:42 I meant like personally but 06:29:49 I guess I am a weird person who doesn't really do personal interaction much at work 06:29:51 i dunno 06:29:55 i want to like them but i'm bitter 06:30:04 they're generally good people 06:30:14 i don't think they were really malicious, but we failed to communicate 06:31:01 I don't think you have to paint someone as malicious really 06:31:17 like. I don't think that all the people involved in the whole hackernewswebstartupsiliconvalley mess are bad people, that's really silly 06:37:25 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Quit: Ragequit). 06:37:48 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 06:38:36 * ThatOtherPerson hugs kmc 06:39:33 I wish there was something I could do to help :/ 06:40:13 thanks ThatOtherPerson 06:40:21 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 06:41:06 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Client Quit). 06:47:00 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:53:00 Why did I say "i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian", again? 06:53:41 @hug kmc 06:53:42 http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug 07:00:11 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 07:04:57 * hagb4rd sets mode www.rainymood.com + http://magnus.gustavsson.se/pdf/cthulhu.pdf 07:06:29 -!- hagb4rd has changed nick to madb4rd. 07:06:45 IA! IA! 07:06:54 IA KAMPA 07:18:33 Bike: do you know all about bicategories. 07:18:36 the joke is Bikeategories 07:18:44 nope 07:19:23 i nitya to become an expert in them by next week 07:20:38 is that a pun 07:21:20 hare u expecting one? 07:28:11 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:38:31 I wish I could do something to help beyond just random attempts at encouraging words :/ 07:41:58 Fiora: I can provide you with something you can help with! 07:43:24 ...? 07:43:30 I-I meant to kmc, but... 07:45:06 that's ok 07:45:09 we'll take anyone! 07:45:27 yea, dont be shy 07:45:29 Fiora: help file bugs! https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/nh4/ 07:45:55 altough i love shyness 07:46:01 go on 07:46:47 aw thanks everyone 07:46:49 i will be fine 07:46:54 chews on pencil 07:47:02 great 07:47:09 lights! 07:47:11 action! 07:47:28 kmc: will you move to sf 07:47:36 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 07:52:01 * Fiora is kind of shy...? but 07:52:14 I don't think I know enough about nethack to like. not die 07:52:25 oh, nethack 07:52:31 I think I know Crawl better... and by better I mean. like. more than nothing 07:52:37 i used to play that before i realized it was awful 07:52:42 nethack yes 07:53:02 -!- ogrom has joined. 07:53:11 Fiora: we need to move http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bugs_in_NetHack_4 into the tracker 07:53:34 I don't think #esoteric will let me play Crawl again 07:53:52 is there something bad about crawl? 07:53:56 see https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/nh4/ticket/41 for a template 07:54:19 there are lots of bad things about crawl but most of all NihilistDandy is bad at crawl 07:54:38 I did really well at being bad at crawl 07:54:40 I'm kind of terrible too 07:54:41 am i bad at crawl 07:54:46 shachaf: probably 07:54:47 the answer is yes 07:54:54 like. after a month or two my best run was ~1 rune, I think 07:55:01 Fiora: At Crawl, you mean? 07:55:03 me too 07:55:08 on my best run I was doing rather well but I fell into a teleport trap on elf 5 that literally sent me into the enemy hordes at the end of the level 07:55:35 i crawl terrified through the firt levels like a girl 07:55:40 Fiora: On my best run, all of #esoteric was yelling at me to not be an idiot and being amazed every time I didn't meet with a well-deserved death 07:55:45 XD 07:56:00 I think it was actually my first or second run, for that matter 07:56:09 I loved watching peoples' hilarious-death videos uploaded, though. though I don't think I ever got a good one... 07:56:28 I think I was dancing around a staircase with a hydra or something 07:56:37 I think I usually crawl terrified through the later levels 07:56:43 well. like the first few are okay and then like 07:56:48 one of the horrible evil bosses shows up 07:56:50 and I run 07:56:51 and run 07:56:53 and hide 07:57:04 its like theres no multiplayer 07:57:10 The Wizard of Yendor is horrible. 07:57:13 i could just stay behind your back 07:57:17 Double Trouble... 07:57:23 ? 07:57:24 meh 07:57:31 just death ray him 07:57:38 or smack him a lot 07:58:00 I'm I'm not sure having someone behind my back would be an improvement 07:58:18 not for you. i would use you as a shield 07:58:21 :P 07:58:35 fioratank 07:58:50 me? a shield? 07:58:54 nah, i wouldnt dare 07:58:58 gosh, even in game I play as like the squishiest wizard XD 07:59:01 i <3 fiore 07:59:04 I think I was a draconic sorceress 07:59:06 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:59:13 aw 07:59:17 right 07:59:46 coppro: Not when he steals your quest artifact which gives magic resistance. 08:00:47 I think I play as squishy wizards in nearly everything 08:00:57 it's like playing a self-insert except I can't actually shoot fireballs at things 08:01:51 Fiora: Complete the illusion and learn to shoot fireballs 08:02:30 Fireballs are easy. 08:02:43 shachaf: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/ZephyrTheLight/Touhou/Spark_lesson.jpg like that? 08:02:56 anyone who ever tried cooking meth knows 08:03:25 how bout a new class? methcook 08:03:26 I don't know how to shoot fireballs. like where do I get a staff 08:03:44 The woods 08:03:49 A rival wizard 08:03:54 Shops 08:04:07 In a conveniently located box 08:04:13 A staff? How does that help? 08:04:21 http://24.media.tumblr.com/8a0b4b292c0cfdd295398e39845f83e3/tumblr_mlxk5lVLsg1raym3wo1_500.gif like that! 08:04:33 it helps to stimulate the mana circulation 08:05:15 end even more 08:05:19 try it now 08:05:35 I don't have one :< 08:06:03 you just haven't earned one yet 08:06:32 Strictly speaking, I think that's a wand 08:10:49 okay okay wands too 08:12:41 -!- Lymia has joined. 08:13:38 u-um... anyways... 08:13:43 I'm not sure I'm very good with a bug tracker 08:14:21 Practice by writing lots of buggy code and submitting it to open source projects who don't have time for your shit 08:14:35 I'm also kind of playing some europa universalis I guess 08:15:13 the last time I submitted an open source bug report+patch they told me the code was terrible and needs to be rewritten so patch rejected or something like that 08:15:20 (um, not my code, the code I was trying to patch) 08:15:35 so I just used it myself ... 08:15:35 lol 08:15:55 I mean they were kind of right but my patch fixed it <.< 08:16:07 (it was a terrible hack but... jdlskldf) 08:16:54 Fiora: Which EU are you playing? 08:17:22 EU3, I haven't played any of the earlier ones 08:17:52 http://i.imgur.com/bGLcLmU.jpg I'm ryukyu :3 08:19:14 Downloading now. Looks like a fun game 08:20:24 do i need all that extensions? 08:20:30 Also, Despotic Monarchy, hehe 08:20:36 would i need them* 08:21:05 NihilistDandy: I still haven't unlocked Noble Republic 08:21:12 I'm a bit farther now, like, 1514ish, but not quite there yet 08:21:29 the east is on a ~40% research penalty, sooo 08:21:45 um.... the expansions? if you want EU3 you should probably get the complete pack, I think. they've updated the mechanics kind of enormously 08:21:56 k 08:21:57 like when I tried divine wind I was like oh gosh what is going on this is a different game 08:22:18 it's kind of a really slow, long, overcomplicated strategy game (like every paradox game), so make sure you like that kind of thing ^^; 08:22:20 Steppe Horde sounds like fun 08:22:41 yeah, I haven't tried one of those yet but they look interesting if a bit scary to play 08:24:49 I'm really bad at EU though really 08:26:21 Playing Papal State sounds badass. I forgot how awesome Catholicism sounds on a mythic level 08:26:43 oh! that reminds me, this tumblr is like the bestest tumblr 08:26:44 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/ 08:26:56 it's completely hilarious results of various paradox games 08:27:13 like cornwall taking over the UK, scandinavian africa... XD 08:27:55 holland forming china, cornwall and cyprus taking over europe together 08:28:02 quebec africa... XD 08:28:39 Netherlands 08:28:44 Just… everywhere 08:30:16 bike introduced me to it, it's kind of wonderful 08:33:39 Are the historical figures real people, or is it more "here's a guy whose name is a bit French" 08:34:10 ummm I think there's a mode for historical figures vs random figures? 08:34:35 you can also start the game at any point in history (in the game's range, ~1390-1820) and it'll set up the map based on how it was at that point in history (with leaders and so on to match) 08:34:56 Neat 08:35:10 How fast is game time? 08:35:13 however you want basically 08:35:24 Sweet 08:35:25 it has 6 speeds, from paused to the fastest. kind of like simcity 08:36:16 (it's very verymuch not a twitch game) 08:46:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:50BMG_size_comparison.JPG "20 x 102 mm round with .50 BMG rounds, golf ball, stick of RAM." 08:48:25 I'm trying to figure out what sort of person owns all of those items 08:48:49 Or, come to think of it, who owns all those things but *not* a ruler 08:50:06 I suppose you've got to own guns if you want to play golf, right? 08:51:23 How else would you dig the holes? 08:52:27 I was thinking more about defending yourself from the... hazards... 08:55:23 Fiora: No results for poland on that tumblr 08:55:42 I thought I remember seeing some wonderful poland ones 08:55:46 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/47960065022 08:55:58 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/46764666711 08:56:15 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/45346853367 or this... xD 08:58:10 Why is there never a giant empire of Finland in that sort of things? 08:58:30 there's some I think! 08:58:35 though I think it's often a united scandinavia 08:58:47 since there's a way to form scandinavia if you unite all the scandinavian territories 08:58:49 That doesn't sound very... "believable"... 08:58:52 (it's a long series of ahistorical things) 08:59:02 "believable worlds" is a joke, I think XD 08:59:35 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/image/41530555981 09:07:30 -!- Fiora has changed nick to SleepyFifi. 09:17:49 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 09:17:53 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 09:42:46 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 09:55:12 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:59:16 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Page closed). 10:14:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:16:30 -!- jix has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:16:33 hi Phantom_Hoover 10:16:36 `welcome Phantom_Hoover 10:16:40 Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 10:16:52 `relcome Phantom_Hoover 10:16:56 ​Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 10:17:04 you can't relcome yourself............................................................................................................................................ 10:17:10 s/\./.........................................../g 10:18:20 s/\./.........................................../g while 1 10:19:18 ion ion ion 10:19:22 you can't do that 10:19:28 mnoqy can explain 10:20:23 s/ion/ion ion ion/g while 1 10:20:32 no ion 10:20:34 nion 10:30:48 An ion 10:31:43 `relcome shachaf................................................ 10:31:45 ​shachaf................................................: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 10:32:02 `run echo NihilistDandy | r 10:32:03 bash: r: command not found 10:32:07 `run echo NihilistDandy | rainbow 10:32:09 ​NihilistDandy 10:32:15 That's pretty great 10:33:15 `run echo $'#!/bin/bash\necho "$@"' > bin/e; chmod +x bin/e 10:33:19 No output. 10:44:06 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 10:48:29 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:51:29 `run ? shachaf | rainbow 10:51:31 ​const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451, 10:53:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:54:57 ?????????? 10:54:59 `? shachaf 10:55:01 shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. 10:55:30 `run ? shachaf 10:55:31 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:55:37 `run ? 10:55:38 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:55:43 `run ls bin/? 10:55:45 bin/! \ bin/? \ bin/@ \ bin/e \ bin/h \ bin/q \ bin/y 10:55:52 `run cat bin/! 10:55:54 ​#!/bin/sh \ \? "$@" | perl -C7 -pe '$_ = uc' | sed -e s/[.?]/!/g -e 's/!\?$/!/' 10:56:01 Hmm. 10:56:07 `run \? shachaf 10:56:10 shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. 10:56:17 `run grep 1230530576 bin/? 10:56:18 No output. 10:56:25 `run cat bin/\@ 10:56:27 ​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ $_ = join " ", @ARGV; if (s/^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*) +//) { print "$1: "; exec $2, $_; } 10:57:14 ...I thought the output was a bit weird 10:57:23 `run cat bin/h 10:57:25 ​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig 10:57:26 but weird output isn't exactly rare when it comes to HackEgo 10:57:26 `run cat bin/q 10:57:27 ​ELF............>.....°@.....@.......ð..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@.....À.......À............................@......@............................................@.......@.....Ì......Ì........ ............Ð......Ð`.....Ð`.................... ...........ø......ø`.....ø`..... ....... ................ 10:57:31 `run cat bin/y 10:57:33 ​ELF...H‹t$ë..>............8.......HÿÇH…öu `q blah 10:57:37 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:57:51 `q 10:57:52 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:58:01 `run q | wc -c 10:58:02 412 10:58:03 `run q blah | wc -c 10:58:05 412 10:58:05 `run yes 10:58:06 y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y 10:58:11 What's q? 10:58:20 `run find -name 'q.c' 10:58:22 No output. 10:58:26 A quine? how quaint 10:58:32 Oh, right. 10:58:34 Now I remember. 11:00:18 `run \? shachaf | rainbow 11:00:20 ​shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. 11:00:27 Much better 11:00:48 `? FireFly 11:00:49 FireFly? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:00:53 ????????????????????????????????? 11:01:28 Feel free to add something 11:06:16 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 11:12:38 kmc: do you know anything about system76.com 11:13:32 <[mbm]> isn't that the old propaganda site? 11:14:41 <[mbm]> nm, thinking system12.com 11:15:53 -!- nooodl has joined. 11:19:07 Wikipedia definitely made propaganda sound cooler than it appears to be 11:19:56 <[mbm]> yep 11:20:19 <[mbm]> the guy that ran the site was pretty much a community troll 11:20:47 What kind of site is this? 11:20:48 :p 11:21:00 <[mbm]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(desktop_backgrounds) 11:23:39 That slashdot comment is almost gold 11:24:18 But the air of defeat detracts from the ranty quality and diminishes its luster. 11:26:23 <[mbm]> it all goes back to when some people started writing a new amiga ui and he did tons of artwork for various widgets like scrollbars and buttons 11:26:54 <[mbm]> and nobody told him that the project died 11:28:14 Also, reading all the other comments in the thread makes me aware of some kind of 13 year old injoke that I will likely waste 10 minutes trying to figure out. 11:28:39 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:29:13 <[mbm]> damn, guess it has been that long 11:29:39 Something about Windows and the RIAA, or maybe VA Linux Systems, Intel, and the RIAA 11:30:43 <[mbm]> va linux systems was the company that owned various websites, including slashdot and sourceforge; at one time they hosted the propaganda site 11:36:13 http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/04/0224248/uk-benefits-claimants-must-use-windows-xp-ie6 11:36:30 Somebody is doing his job so horribly wrong he shouldn't even have a work permit 11:39:27 <[mbm]> seems fairly obvious; old website and nobody knows how to fix it 11:42:58 Yeah. 11:43:31 or it's to expensive. 11:43:34 *too 11:43:52 because no matter how quirky it is, somebody can fix it 11:44:09 or rebuild it from scratch 12:08:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:09:50 oerjan: coffee is bad for you hth <-- not as bad as caffeine witdrawal. also it's actually supposed to be healthy. 12:09:51 oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 12:10:34 @tell NihilistDandy Okay 12:10:35 Consider it noted. 12:10:47 oerjan: I'm actually here this time 12:10:48 NihilistDandy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 12:10:48 :D 12:10:55 IMPOSSIBLE 12:11:20 NihilistDandy: anyway i expect it's similar to the elementary CA numbering in spirit 12:11:22 oerjan: hi 12:11:35 hi shachaf 12:11:39 how did it feel to have glugbot be down 12:12:26 I expected so, I just couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was derived from. The total number was fairly obvious, but being able to say "oh, yeah, it's totally that one" is much less so 12:12:34 @tell taneb Is programming almost exclusively in Haskell bad for you? <-- just mix in some esolang programming hth (and a bit of perl.) 12:12:35 Consider it noted. 12:12:44 shachaf: HORRIBLE 12:13:22 oerjan: i always thought "hth" was a troll thing to say 12:13:26 Is hth the new #esoteric meme? 12:13:44 i thought it was part of "YHBT YHL HAND" but in retrospect none of those is hth 12:14:04 shachaf: you think "mix in some esolang programming" isn't a troll suggestion? 12:14:10 -!- madb4rd has quit (Quit: madb4rd). 12:14:15 i guess some people say "HTH HAND" and that's how i formed the association 12:14:29 HTH FOOT IN MOUTH 12:14:35 oerjan: No, it's a joke. It's meant to amuse rather than irritate. 12:14:39 (So I assume.) 12:15:20 i may be bad at that distinction hth 12:15:42 oerjan is not a troll 12:15:46 either that or a very good one 12:15:47 hth 12:15:49 NihilistDandy: i think it's just an oerjan meme 12:15:57 yhbt yhl hand hth 12:16:15 i'm not sure at the moment if anyone else uses it 12:16:30 I feel like I see it in this channel a lot, lately 12:16:41 Then again, I just got back on two days ago 12:17:06 hm and i wasn't here yesterday 12:17:09 oerjan: I use it. HTH 12:17:22 itt shachaf admits to his sins hth 12:17:31 (But when I use it, it expands to "hope that helped".) 12:17:54 shachaf: it does that when i use it too, it just may not always make sense 12:18:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:18:16 or well, i use the present tense. 12:18:35 when I use it here it means "that was not supposed to be helpful", everywhere else I think it means "happy to help" 12:18:39 Right. I mean the tense. 12:18:47 Well... 12:18:47 Orwell used the present tense. 12:18:50 Maybe I mean "hope that helps". 12:18:57 I *thought* it was "hope that helped" but I'm not so sure. 12:19:03 At any rate it's definitely "that". 12:19:07 My preferred reading is olsner's 12:19:33 My preferred reading is Orwell. 12:19:36 s/.$// 12:19:39 somehow I don't view liquefied brain as a good thing <-- somehow this reminds me of a recently learned fact that cucumbers contain more water than milk does. 12:20:12 fizzie: as did hitler! 12:20:20 People sometimes end messages with "KÄSI" because en:hand (the thing usually at the end of an arm) = fi:käsi. 12:20:34 oerjan: also more water than oceans 12:20:49 olsner: ooh 12:21:02 oerjan: I definitely read that as "Hitler contained more water than milk, as well" 12:21:11 not a lot of brains in cucumber though 12:21:15 Which is almost certainly true, in any sense of those words 12:21:26 NihilistDandy: could be. 12:24:22 @tell thatotherperson Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. <-- i believe notch is swedish and taneb is sort of everything else. 12:24:22 Consider it noted. 12:24:54 well everything shachaf isn't, anyway 12:24:58 That's gonna take the fanfic in totally new direction 12:25:05 *a totally etc. 12:25:48 olsner: Wikipedia's article on seawater implies 96.66% (by mass) of water; the USDA "Cucumber, with peel, raw" table says 95.23% of water. (But both of those probably vary enough so that *some* cucumbers have more water in them than ocean water in some places.) 12:26:08 (Also I think there's more ocean water than cucumbers around, in total.) 12:26:17 oerjan: ? 12:26:26 (It's called "the blue planet", not "the cucumber planet".) 12:27:26 -!- madb4rd has joined. 12:27:43 shachaf: you are finnish, israeli and american, aren't you? taneb is australian and british, although i'm not sure if he's also american. and i think there were other countries involved. 12:28:10 oerjan: Everyone's Edenian. 12:28:19 fizzie: fancy 12:28:49 fizzie: Though if we go by total mass, we should probably be the "orange-brown" planet or "the orange and hot planet" 12:28:59 I suppose I don't really know what color the outer core is, though 12:29:24 i'm not sure there is much light down there 12:29:39 or wait is that orange as in black body color 12:29:48 Are you kidding? Look at all this light! 12:29:48 http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/earth-cross-section.gif 12:30:05 That's why miners don't need lamps, duh~ 12:30:27 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:30:47 NihilistDandy: i think that image uses the largely discredited "earth as a giant orange" theory. 12:30:57 Anyway, this all comes back to my proposal to give the Earth a new epithet "the cucumber planet" 12:31:18 you mean it's actually _green_ inside? 12:31:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:31:37 oerjan: Antarctica is the stem 12:31:43 ic 12:31:57 hth 12:32:22 thx 12:33:53 Possibly it's even without an extra fee, who knows. <-- i see you are not familiar with the norwegian airline company. 12:34:27 they have a big ad campaign on about how they're cheap because they don't include anything unnecessary in the price. 12:35:17 oerjan is neither swedish nor finnish nor wegian 12:35:33 sha tup 12:38:39 10:44:56 It says it's free. <-- WHY DO YOU MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL 12:38:50 also why doesn't webchat allow multiline pastes. 12:39:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:40:27 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:42:58 oerjan: I know that's their reputation, but the wifi *still* seemed to be free. 12:43:15 IT'S ILLOGICAL 12:43:31 I couldn't find an explicit statement one way or another, but someone else said it's free. 12:43:57 POSSIBLY LUMPIO-? 12:44:02 MAYBE. 12:44:06 * oerjan coughs. 12:44:20 oerjan: have you considered making me a #esoteric op hth 12:44:34 ~metar EGNT 12:44:35 Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 12:44:42 METASEPIA 12:45:06 oerjan: aww, but I don't want to learn Perl 12:45:09 Hang on 12:45:17 I've got a list of programming languages I want to learn 12:45:21 And I think Perl is on it 12:45:45 of course it is 12:46:07 But so is Scala, so I may completely ignore the list 12:47:25 i assume you have prolog or something from the same paradigm 12:47:27 Blah, Scala 12:48:21 itym scablah hth 12:49:31 iridm scablah tdh 12:50:58 "i regret i didn't mean scablh that didn't help"? 12:51:08 "i realise i did mean scablh that did help"? 12:51:18 "In retrospect, I did mean Scablah. That did help." 12:51:43 itt we learn new useful acronyms tdh 12:52:05 I just realized that txtspk is like lojban, except that people actually use it 12:53:42 txtspk isn't much like lojban in that lojban has more vowels 12:54:55 The vowels are implied, like in Hebrew or Arabic 12:55:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:55:15 Except when they're explicit, so the comparison holds :D 12:56:01 "Male Osedax are microscopic dwarfs that live as "harems" inside the lumen of the gelatinous tube that surrounds each female. An individual female can house hundreds of these males in her tube." there's a joke here but i can't quite see it 12:56:54 i read that as "gelatinous cube" at first, and the sentence did make more sense as being about D&D. hth. 13:03:33 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 13:07:48 @tell bike srslytho where are the logs, where have the logs gone <-- tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric hth 13:07:49 Consider it noted. 13:09:00 oerjan: How was that "trolly", eh? 13:09:24 bacuase hjehth 13:10:09 Who let the logs out? 13:12:26 -!- impomatic has joined. 13:14:06 Nature makes more sense in a D&D context apparently 13:15:53 I've known that for a long time 13:16:14 oerjan: Did you bother looking at the other logs? <-- what a ridiculous idea hth 13:17:58 imo plz /nick hth thx 13:23:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:25:02 somebody must stop that hth fever 13:26:20 oerjan is the only one who can do it hth 13:26:22 itym somebody mustn't stop that hth fever hth 13:27:01 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:27:06 madb4rd: imo it's too late hth 13:27:16 hehe 13:27:41 i caught the hth fever 13:27:46 i've been using hth outside of #esoteric... 13:27:57 nooooooooooooooooodl 13:28:12 monooooidl 13:28:42 nooodl: It's terminal hth 13:29:15 fever i haven't caught: the i_i fever 13:29:25 t_t 13:29:30 Gah. I wanted to sleep in! 13:30:01 i dont understand any of that manga smileys ..manga smileys is correct i suppose? 13:30:16 i_i isn't a smiley 13:30:18 Mango smileys: they taste better. 13:30:26 <_< that one may be eyes lookin to the side 13:30:27 shachaf: explain i_i 13:30:33 yea 13:30:34 please 13:34:18 can hackego serach the esowiki? 13:34:24 by now 13:35:16 @google site:esolangs.com i_i 13:35:17 No Result Found. 13:35:31 nooodl: Do you mean "i,i"? 13:36:04 @google site:esolangs.com Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 13:36:05 No Result Found. 13:36:08 HUH 13:36:34 @google site:esolangs.com hair salon 13:36:34 No Result Found. 13:36:40 shizzle 13:36:47 .com isn't the right tld hth 13:36:54 oops 13:36:59 @google site:esolangs.org Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 13:37:00 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download 13:37:00 Title: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download - Esolang 13:37:04 that helps indeed 13:37:04 Thought typing it felt weird 13:37:25 @google site:esolangs.org i_i 13:37:26 No Result Found. 13:37:32 @google site:esolangs.org hair salon 13:37:33 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download 13:37:33 Title: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download - Esolang 13:37:41 Taneb: how did you come up with such a wonderful name for an esolang 13:38:03 shachaf: I asked a spambot what it thought I should name it 13:38:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:38:39 * Taneb . o O ( I GOT THE IDEA FROM LIKING HAIR SALONS AND I JUST WENT FROM THERE ) 13:38:41 -!- ogrom has joined. 13:39:15 http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=109 13:39:15 The language itself was inspired by BIT and lambda calculus 13:39:18 Legitimately laughing about that thought bubble 13:39:25 super mega comics is the best comics 13:40:33 I didn't know toplists were still a thing 13:41:08 shachaf: Channel log: 2012-03-23 13:41:30 In about 1.1 billion years, the solar luminosity will be 10% higher than at present. This will cause the atmosphere to become a "moist greenhouse", resulting in a runaway evaporation of the oceans. As a likely consequence, plate tectonics will come to an end.[11] 13:42:39 ion is a spambot? 13:42:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:42:46 yes 13:43:00 i almost believed tectonic activity was caused by vulcanic activity 13:43:15 I don’t remember what the bot that came up with the title spammed. The IRC channel or the wiki? 13:43:23 Vulcan's just a jerk with a hammer. 13:43:26 wiki, I think 13:43:37 Wiki, definitely 13:43:40 Hmm. 13:43:41 hail the mighty penis in the sky 13:43:48 20:24:56: taneb: Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 13:43:55 I was referring to the wiki spam. 13:43:58 I remember reading some very funny spam on the wiki 13:44:14 I thought the name was "Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download" 13:44:22 But it turns out to be "Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download" 13:44:34 Which wiki spam? 13:45:06 madb4rd: i think the theory is that there needs to be water in the earth's interior to lubricate the process 13:45:48 and that venus lack of water is why it doesn't have any 13:45:54 *venus' 13:46:16 okay 13:46:40 Oh. 13:46:54 There's a movie called "Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster". 13:46:58 That's disappointing. 13:47:23 Admittedly the title is much improved when it talks about "Real Fast Nora". 13:47:25 shachaf: you know it's a bad series when the title character dies in the first film 13:48:28 i like dying title characters..wait i dont like title characters 13:48:32 itym good series hth 13:48:44 OKAY 13:48:56 @tell kmc: do you logread 13:48:57 Consider it noted. 13:49:01 madb4rd: Oh, then would you ever like [SPOILER ALERT] 13:49:11 have you read the silmarillion oerjan? 13:49:16 shachaf: it's Real Fast (Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download 13:49:52 Three people in the world are known to have read the Silmarillion. Tolkien himself, his editor, and a girl I met in a bar once 13:49:58 Taneb: No it's not. 13:50:01 madb4rd: only up do about when they created the sun and moon 13:50:04 Have you read the silmarillioerjan? 13:50:09 Taneb: Well, maybe the original spam was. But the name of the esolang isn't. 13:50:10 *up to 13:50:38 It's (Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: (Shear Disaster Download) 13:50:39 The "'s" in "it's" was short for " was" 13:51:04 *Maybe* you could argue for ((Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: (Shear Disaster)) Download 13:51:08 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:51:30 Silmärilli is Finnish for eyegoggle. 13:51:33 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:51:36 I'll argue for the "'s" in "Nora's" to also mean "was" 13:51:38 @massages 13:51:38 oerjan said 1h 27m 16s ago: Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. <-- i believe notch is swedish and taneb is sort of everything else. 13:51:40 i would have think you'll like it.. as the hobby linguist i think you are 13:51:47 So I was reading along in the logs... 13:52:00 And then I saw "-!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)." 13:52:07 and I was like "wat" 13:52:16 everyone dies in this book 13:52:24 spoilers, this book is #esoteric 13:52:52 oerjan: I'm just British/Australian with Dutch and possibly Spanish and Sri Lankan ancestry 13:53:06 hey i have all sorts of *ancestry* 13:53:18 i thought we were talking about citizenships 13:53:45 shachaf: I was describing both 13:54:00 The first two are both, the last three are the latter only 13:54:11 Taneb: aren't all australians criminals hth 13:54:14 I'm about to have a very Lord of the Rings moment, in that I'm about to run out of pipe tobacco 13:54:39 They keep running out of pipe tobacco in LotR? 13:54:46 shachaf: the Australians I'm descended from came over from the Netherlands in the 50's 13:55:11 ion: At Isengard 13:55:17 Taneb: that proves nothing 13:55:44 All Dutchmen are also criminals hth 13:55:59 is Taneb a criminal 13:56:09 Not as far as I am aware 13:56:32 And also the British I were descended from mostly stole sheep on the England/Scotland border 13:56:48 Which is just harmless fun, as we all know 13:57:06 "I were descended from" 13:57:14 you're breaking the laws of grammar 13:57:15 hth 13:57:37 Are all Taneb also criminals? 13:57:50 ion: "Last of the South Farthing Leaf" or some such hobbitism 13:57:58 I believe all the Tanebs other than me are racehorses 13:59:15 other Tanebs invent A-modules 13:59:21 Taneb: People on Scratch are so saccharine I may get diabetes 13:59:24 some of them invent B-modules or C-modules 13:59:29 `? d-module 13:59:31 D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. 13:59:38 our Taneb invents D-modules :'( 14:02:05 Really curious about how that entry came about 14:02:07 But D-modules were around back in the 1970s 14:02:21 ThatOtherWikipedia 14:02:23 That means Taneb must have used a time machine 14:02:51 Or, Taneb is old 14:02:55 Taneb was around back in the 1970s. 14:02:56 Or he's lying about his age, name, and nationality 14:03:17 The d in ngevd stands for d-module 14:03:19 Also, ick, sheaf theory 14:03:49 Not as bad as stack theory, I guess, but that's not saying much 14:04:31 shachaf: what do the other letters stand for?? 14:07:00 norway germany estonia venezuela 14:08:40 -!- Koen_ has joined. 14:09:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 14:10:08 Inter-continental D-module theory 14:11:00 Taneb: The horse racing nation isn't saying anything about you, and it says you died in 1963 14:11:14 This D-module story is FILLED with holes! 14:11:47 "isn't saying anything about you, and it says you died" 14:11:53 There's a contradiction around here 14:12:00 http://www.horseracingnation.com/horse/Taneb 14:12:11 Look for yourself 14:12:20 http://www.horseracingnation.com/ ??? 14:12:22 It has some facts, but it is saying nothing hth 14:12:44 ThatOtherPerson: I was not kidding 14:13:10 Also, your parents had goofy names ijs 14:25:18 Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? 14:25:33 Read. 14:26:24 Watch Readmen hth 14:26:26 Is it... just one book, or is it a series 14:26:38 Please, who *watches* The Watchmen? 14:27:06 oerjan: soon hth 14:27:10 ...Amazon is telling me I could read it on my Kindle 14:27:16 I thought it was a graphic novel 14:27:19 It is. 14:27:27 (Also I don't have a Kindle, but I do have a Nook) 14:27:42 Should I not bother with ebook version? 14:28:16 I'd assume as much. 14:28:19 "super" is a great comic-related movie imo 14:28:28 heroes without superpowers 14:28:29 ;) 14:28:50 Like Kickass? 14:28:54 better 14:28:56 Aren't those just normal people? 14:28:56 imo 14:28:58 Or Batman/ 14:29:33 its partly brilliant i'd say 14:29:37 and do 14:29:47 Going to go see if it's worth getting a PO box 14:29:56 Because dad won't give me the key to the mailbox here 14:30:59 `addquote Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? [...] Please, who *watches* The Watchmen? 14:31:03 1029) Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? [...] Please, who *watches* The Watchmen? 14:32:30 They watch the Readmen, obviously 14:33:19 Readiculous. 14:33:26 is that the one with helen page madb4rd? 14:33:35 http://www.movie2k.to/Super-watch-movie-780017.html 14:33:58 ellen page ..yes 14:34:04 I could, if I wanted, buy a new Kindle every week. (Why would I do that) 14:34:20 Money feels weird 14:34:46 Sgeo: the other day, I gave £5 to one of my friends for absolutely no reason 14:34:52 I recommend doing stuff like that 14:34:58 Giving money to my friends, that is 14:35:22 (Watch out, he's prepping to ask you for money) 14:36:37 :P 14:39:00 * Sgeo just donated $25 to Doctors Without Borders 14:48:14 * impomatic likes something in return for his money... 14:48:26 Something like a book 14:49:18 + 14:49:37 By which I of course meant, To Be Or Not To Be: That Is The Adventure comes out this month! 14:49:39 (I think) 14:54:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:54:27 @messages? 14:54:27 Sorry, no messages today. 15:03:44 I'll show you how it's done ais523 15:03:46 @messages 15:03:46 elliott said 3d 13h 12m 3s ago: imo, fuck iou 15:04:04 @messages 15:04:05 oerjan said 2h 53m 30s ago: Okay 15:06:16 @massageme 15:06:17 Unknown command, try @list 15:11:48 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:14:56 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:19:12 The two main reasons I am not using Haiku as my primary OS 15:19:27 1) No driver for my wireless adaptor 15:19:31 2) No GHC port 15:29:46 Oh, right, that's another OS I gotta try someday 15:31:33 I'd like my ability to get my mail to not be tied to my dad. 15:32:20 Taneb: (3) Not a useful or complete OS. 15:32:32 Gregor: since when have I cared about that 15:32:41 Fair 'nuff. 15:37:55 I heard that Word of God OS got a new name. You could try that out 15:38:24 Adaptor sounds like raptor 15:38:29 but more adapted to todays needs. 15:38:31 also 15:38:36 You could port ghc to Haiku 15:38:38 That'd be great. 15:38:56 (Haiku is also the OS I've been second most successful installing) 15:39:22 Taneb: are you sure this contravariant "f" isn't a mistake 15:39:41 maybe it isn't 15:39:51 elliott: it's not my mistake, mm_freak is trying to teach that not everything of kind * -> * is a Functor 15:40:15 ok right 15:48:08 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:50:43 -!- Bike has joined. 16:15:15 What episode of TNG should I watch? 16:15:44 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to geheimdienst. 16:15:49 The one where Picard lives a second life in 20 minutes 16:16:00 -!- geheimdienst has changed nick to is. 16:16:14 -!- is has changed nick to copumpkin. 16:18:24 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:27:50 Watch Voyager: Threshold. 16:29:27 ion.......... 16:29:27 Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 16:29:37 ion: that's not TNG 16:30:32 olsner: Ah, indeed. He should watch the animated series. 16:30:52 yes, where you get to meet Spock's pet Targh 16:31:24 And the devil is actually a good guy from another planet, just misunderstood. 16:32:04 My favorite episode of Star Trek is an episode of Doctor Who 16:32:10 You should watch that one 16:32:26 Was that the Babylon 5 one? Yeah, that was a good episode of Star Trek. 16:33:23 nah, I think that was A New Hope (episode 4? iirc) 16:36:26 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 16:38:12 From a Wikipedia article I was reading: "The park was famed for its automata well into the fifteenth century before it was destroyed by English soldiers in the sixteenth century." 16:38:19 My first thoughts: "I blame Taneb" 16:39:49 -!- SleepyFifi has changed nick to Fiora. 16:40:17 ThatOtherPerson: where is it, france? 16:40:25 I reversed century precedence for a minute and thought Taneb had destroyed it before it had become famous for its automata 16:40:45 Yes 16:42:27 * Sgeo wonders if he gets Babylon 5 for 'free' 16:42:42 Nope :( 16:43:41 I should really watch The Matrix 16:44:11 Torrents have Babylon 5 for free 16:44:18 No quotes 16:44:27 I've been doing the legal thing lately 16:44:36 Mostly because I can 16:44:53 is this the power of money?! 16:58:02 Behold! The power of money! 16:58:42 That was not intended to line up. 16:58:51 good 'cos it didn't 16:59:01 Did for me 16:59:10 Are you using a non-monospaced font for IRC?? 16:59:34 ...wait. am i using a nonmonospaced font for irc 16:59:49 ooooo 16:59:50 lllll 16:59:53 hm 17:00:42 Nope. Eyes are playing tricks on me. 17:08:58 At the very beginning of the Matrix, are viewers supposed to be tricked into thinking the agents (and police) are the good guys? 17:09:46 Are the other guys still wearing sunglasses and trenchcoats? 17:12:28 At the point I was referring to we didn't even meet Neo 17:37:51 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 17:42:46 You know what would make sense? If they _told_ him what the experience would be like. Do this, don't do this, co-operate with this machine, avoid this one, etc. 17:43:21 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 17:43:25 helo 17:44:05 Sgeo: It would also make sense if they didn't contact him in a public IRC channel or call him over the phone in a world run and monitored by the machines. 17:44:24 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 17:45:33 something something maya something 17:51:44 Bike: as in the 3d computer graphics package? 17:52:33 no, the concept it's named after 17:52:42 The people? 17:53:35 shachaf: 'sometimes' 17:53:36 kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 17:53:50 @messages 17:53:51 shachaf said 4h 4m 55s ago: do you logread 17:54:13 Bike: the hindu concept of illusion? 17:54:22 yes 17:54:31 one of the things the matrix is based on 17:56:23 NihilistDandy, would talking in 'person' really be any better? 17:57:27 I dunno. There weren't agents closing in on the gang's every move when they were feeding him drugs, apparently, so maybe somebody needs to actually be in the room 17:58:03 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:59:06 When they're uploading martial arts knowledge, one of them is 'drunken boxing' 18:05:04 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:26:47 -!- conehead has joined. 18:33:38 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 18:33:55 -!- Bike has joined. 18:39:21 http://lzacorp.com/ld/ld26/ 18:39:39 MUST FIND TANEB AND MINE'S 18:40:54 (I have no idea how to properly say that in proper English) 18:41:58 I MUST FIND THE GAME CREATED BY I, THATOTHERPERSON, AND MY COMPATRIOT TANEB 18:43:50 Eh, I think that works. 18:45:59 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: copumpkin). 18:47:44 oh, you were doing that for ludum dare? 18:48:02 -!- copumpkin has joined. 18:48:19 yeah 18:48:23 YES FOUND IT 18:49:12 And lost it when I switched to IRC :/ 18:52:32 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:52:51 Hello 18:53:18 Salutations 18:55:46 btw 'me and taneb's' would be the least awkward way 18:56:45 but aren't you always supposed to mention yourself at the end of a list of people? 18:56:58 ...no 18:57:38 Really? 18:58:10 Also, if you removed "Taneb", then that would be "me game", and that's just pirate speak 18:58:21 you're supposed to do "Taneb and I", yeah 18:58:31 "me and Taneb" is "ungrammatical" but fuck it 18:58:34 no, it would be 'my game' because that's how genitives work 18:59:42 Computer programs in charge of running a VR should be a bit more ... omnipotent than Matrix agents 19:00:13 Sgeo how much of farscape did you even watch 19:03:29 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:03:59 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:07:59 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 19:08:51 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:09:03 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 19:09:09 -!- elliott_ has joined. 19:10:10 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 19:15:31 `addquote http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B0087PTMW2 i hope you know this is going to /fuck up/ my amazon recs 19:15:35 1030) http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B0087PTMW2 i hope you know this is going to /fuck up/ my amazon recs 19:16:36 wat 19:16:59 why 19:17:01 just why 19:18:59 rule 34 i assume (i did not click that link but i clicked the picture linked earlier in the logs) 19:19:18 it's just the book that the picture is of 19:19:24 well, kindle book. 19:20:57 Phantom__Hoover, a few episodes 19:22:43 Anyone here know shit about control theory? 19:23:08 we don't do biology here Bike!! 19:23:30 Bike: a little tiny bit 19:23:42 oerjan: are you reading these.. i have a question to ask you!! <-- certainly not! 19:23:55 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:23:57 Life is so much more interesting when you try to interpret everything literally. 19:24:16 elliott: ... 19:24:28 well, i'm struggling to understand wtf a hamiltonian is 19:24:40 oh i don't know about those :/ 19:24:46 Bike: it's a fancy name for bad breath like biologists have 19:24:58 or more directly what Pontryagin's minimum principle is all about 19:25:29 elliott what are you even talking about 19:25:37 Bike: halitosis, get it 19:25:44 i; don't 19:25:48 well it sounds like hamiltonian 19:25:55 so i twisted your question so i could "burn" biologists 19:26:18 In most cases (85–90%), bad breath originates in the mouth itself.[2] 19:26:19 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:26:31 Do biologists burn well? 19:26:36 this is a pretty bad burn imo 19:26:57 Bike: yes, third degree 19:27:00 FireFly: no, they're mainly made out of water 19:27:06 you're disfigured for life by the bad burn 19:27:13 (do you see how I interpreted "bad" differently) 19:27:37 (yes and pointing it out reduces the effect of the wit) 19:27:37 ok that was better 19:27:50 i don't think you get it ThatOtherPerson 19:28:07 the joke is that elliott is secretly a myrmecologist. 19:28:30 Bike: Jenny is researching prairie ecology, but one day while doing field work she has an unexpected encounter with a herd of wild horses. They're beautiful creatures - and she's shocked when they become handsome men! Jenny's life is about to get much more interesting... and much less lonely. 19:28:37 this cuttlefish person's other books are great 19:28:49 accurate depiction of fieldwork 19:29:08 myrmecologists study mermaids right 19:29:15 yes 19:29:21 elliott: and ants 19:29:45 elliott, ... is this bad fan fiction of some sort? 19:29:46 no it's just mermaids 19:29:52 Vorpal: fan fiction of what...... 19:29:55 horses??? 19:29:57 I don't know 19:29:59 possibly? 19:30:56 i think fan fiction of horses is just considered fiction 19:31:21 also: no, it's porn. 19:31:30 Aren't there more than 3 seasons of The IT Crowd? 19:31:35 Amazon only has 3 19:32:06 Bike: does porn not count as fiction 19:32:14 not as /fan/ fiction 19:32:22 unless it's also fanfiction 19:33:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:33:49 you know those dreams where you realize you're still in school and haven't done any work for the term and you're going to fail and then you meet someone cool and embarass yourself in front of them and then all your teeth fall out and your mouth is a bleeding mess? 19:34:08 no not really 19:34:28 yeah 19:34:29 shit sucks 19:34:33 kmc: I swear that happened to me in real life the other week 19:34:57 i had a dream that i think was vaguely interesting yesterday but i forgot it 19:34:59 :'( 19:35:02 by yesterday i mean today 19:36:20 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 19:36:50 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:37:26 elliott: I have an important question for you 19:37:36 help 19:37:38 me too 19:37:39 I once dreamt that I was dreaming that I was dreaming. ... 19:38:12 Very confusing dream 19:38:27 Vorpal: are you sure you just wasn't watching Inception? 19:38:30 If yesterday is today, is today then yesterday? 19:38:38 Taneb, no, but I think the middle dream was lucid 19:38:50 Taneb, according to the dream anyway 19:38:51 You can tell by the fact Leonardo DiCaprio was in it 19:39:04 Taneb, I never watched Inception 19:39:22 ...so you dreamt you had a lucid dream, in which you dreamt? 19:39:28 Taneb, yes. 19:39:32 Taneb: what is the question 19:39:41 elliott: you'll never know! 19:39:43 Ahahaha! 19:39:44 Taneb, then the outer dream got lucid and I woke up. 19:39:48 Taneb: i'm cryinge 19:39:56 oerjan: how is my "evil genius" going? 19:39:59 elliott, it is spelled syringe 19:40:13 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: copumpkin). 19:40:16 To be or not to be, that is the question elliott 19:40:31 (and specifically, yesterday or today) 19:40:45 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:41:32 Taneb: you seem to have succeeded at keeping your evil plans secret to me, at least. 19:41:39 Ahahaha! 19:41:51 Taneb is secretly a dendropyrochronologist 19:42:24 ...I write about flaming time trees? 19:42:30 I HAVE UNEARTHED YOUR SCHEMES 19:42:39 but you should get a nemesis to reveal everything to, for historical recordkeeping 19:42:59 I can assure you that you have not yet began to unearth even the very beginning of my schemes! 19:43:08 oerjan: you can email me your CV if you want 19:43:24 Taneb: no, actually you read about flames throughout time on trees. 19:43:28 i cannot be your nemesis, an evil genius needs a good nemesis. 19:43:53 or at least greyish 19:44:00 Would you be in the same rogues' gallery as me, then? 19:44:06 I can't be your nemesis; I already have a nemesis 19:44:08 Sorry 19:44:19 oerjan: we'd be like the Joker and the Penguin! 19:44:56 Do Good Old Games games work on Linux? 19:45:09 i have to admit i only know barely enough batman to have heard of the penguin 19:45:31 There's a penguin? 19:45:43 one of batman'svillains is called the Penguin. 19:45:55 Really, what person in his right mind would dress up like a bat to fight crime? 19:46:01 now opus the penguin, there's a scary nemesis 19:46:11 * Sgeo was under the impression that Batman is not in his right mind 19:46:34 Sgeo: he's off the grey scale 19:46:58 Sgeo: depends on the version 19:47:25 do you know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Jones 19:47:37 Phoenix Jones? 19:47:51 Taneb: http://www.answers.com/topic/dendropyrochronology <-- it is your calling 19:48:08 skin fire tie? 19:48:10 time 19:48:12 ThatOtherPerson: that's a stupid idea 19:48:28 Bike: dendro- is tree, I'm pretty sure 19:48:32 oh, yeah 19:48:36 Hence rhodadendron, lit. "rose tree" 19:48:43 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:48:50 oh, that's actually a sensible term, and not something dumb and made up 19:48:55 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:49:13 «Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit"» 19:49:17 Bike: I'm not dumb and I don't make things up 19:49:26 Except for when I am dumb and do make things up 19:49:57 'Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit",[8] although local police have expressed concern that the strange costumes may lead to emergency calls from citizens who mistake the "superheroes" for criminals.' 19:50:03 kmc: I've heard of people doing things like such 19:50:15 -!- kmc has set topic: May the Firth of Forth be with you! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 19:50:16 There's an obvious problem with this, unless police start trying to recognize individuals 19:50:42 there are lots of videos of him on youtube too 19:50:50 and here i resisted putting that in the topic earlier 19:50:57 really? 19:51:12 He does not condone other people dressing up and fighting crime. 19:51:16 well, something similar. 19:51:35 firth? 19:51:47 "Geologically, the Firth of Forth is a fjord" 19:51:56 bullshit 19:51:56 Sgeo, what the hell? 19:52:30 Did Vorpal just get here? 19:52:32 Someone suggested that wearing a superman costume or similar would reduce the risk being mistaken for a criminal? 19:52:38 yes 19:52:43 Yes, everyone was talking about this guy. 19:52:51 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:52:53 guys we all know Vorpal only has two lines of scrollback 19:52:56 please be considerate 19:53:07 Outside of a comics convention, this makes no sense. 19:53:16 elliott: fwiw, it's almost an entire screen back for me 19:53:26 so if I hadn't been looking at the conversation at the time, I'd have had to scroll 19:53:31 elliott, I read the line " 'Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit",[8] although local police have expressed concern that the strange costumes may lead to emergency calls from citizens who mistake the "superheroes" for criminals.'" 19:53:37 and just went WTH at it 19:54:02 elliott, I don't see anything much above it apart from Bike's line 19:54:05 that is about that 19:54:20 also why are people always ragging on the -gate suffix <-- because it's cool hthgate 19:54:21 if there was a reliable way to make people think you were legit, then criminals would use it 19:54:26 *if there were 19:54:39 indeed 19:55:40 ais523, I don't think being mistaken for a criminal has ever been a concern of mine. I never had anyone think I was a criminal. Ever. 19:55:41 thanks. for the info. 19:55:53 wait i read that as tagging disregard hthgate 19:55:54 So I'm not sure it is all that useful. 19:56:05 * kmc is a criminal 19:56:08 * kmc is a smooth criminal 19:56:18 or wait would that be tacking 19:56:19 kmc, how do you mean smooth? 19:56:29 kmc: but are you analytic? 19:57:30 `Real-life superheroes (RLSH) are people who dress up in costumes, help the homeless, and fight crime.[1][2] 19:57:32 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Real-life: not found 19:57:33 s/`// 19:57:41 elliott, XD 19:58:15 The December 31, 2009 Norwegian publication, Aftenposten featured an article and photos of Real-Life Superheroes. The article included "Life", "Geist", "The Deaths Head Moth", "Dreizehn", "Entomo" and "Superhero."[20][clarification needed] 19:58:21 imagine calling yourself Superhero 19:58:24 not much imagination 19:58:34 The British tabloid The Sun ran an article on the country's Real-Life Superheroes, including "The Statesman", "Vague", "Swift", "Black Arrow", "Lionheart" and "Terrorvision".[21][22] 19:58:40 vague... terrorvision... 19:58:58 Unimaginatively Named Man 20:00:10 I'm not quite sure why the costumes are necessary 20:00:14 are there any comic book superheroes that insist on wearing only ordinary clothes 20:00:21 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:00:40 the question, sorta? 20:01:37 are there any comic book superheroes that insist on wearing nothing 20:01:44 tsiganology 20:02:15 the engineer, silver surfer? 20:02:19 What is the etymology of that, I wonder 20:03:34 `quote 380 20:03:35 380) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets #toilet is useless is #toilet even a thing I'm looking for help with toilets 20:04:12 ThatOtherPerson: there are a whole shitload of terms for roma people 20:04:17 kmc: Tarzan? 20:04:27 Huh. #toilet still exists 20:04:27 wow 20:04:39 what is it about 20:04:40 Oh, it's from Greek 20:04:47 also shouldn't it be ##toilet 20:04:50 The name originates with Byzantine Greek ατσίγγανοι (atsinganoi, Latin adsincani) or αθίγγανοι (athinganoi, literally "untouchables"), a term applied to the sect of the Melchisedechians 20:04:52 Bike: that does not count as normal, imo 20:04:54 charming. 20:05:09 elliott: faces don't count as clothes! 20:05:18 ##toilet is also registered and is very new 20:05:21 i didn't mean that, imo 20:05:55 I guess Black Widow and Nick Fury are technically plain-clothes 20:06:12 elliott: then what do you mean! 20:06:43 And there was Jubilee from X-Men, the very definition of the '80s 20:06:55 imo, ask not what I mean, but what yourself means 20:11:31 by some freak coincidence taneb is elliott's next door neighbor <-- is this true <-- it is unreasonably close to true. 20:12:16 that one was good because you said it before the hexham thing actually happened. 20:12:19 hth 20:12:21 yep. 20:13:42 by 'the hexham thing' do you mean the two of you continuing to live in the same place(s) 20:13:54 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:14:25 (plot twist: Hexham doesn't really exist and is an elaborate scheme cooked up by Taneb and elliott) 20:14:36 man, there are sooo many strange super-heroes and villains. 20:14:42 Bike: i mean the part where... 20:14:43 (and they put it in all the maps and made all the websites and whatnot) 20:14:44 let me dig up the log 20:14:50 it's good 20:15:15 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 20:16:33 Bike: ok so 20:16:34 first this happens 20:16:35 21:39:06: I'm a Northumbrian <-- and you say that after i was joking the other they that you were coincidentally Elliott's next door neighboor 20:16:45 Bike: then the next day 20:16:47 Bike: this happens http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-07-16#160048PhantomHoover 20:17:42 12 iirc 20:18:20 16:08:53: someone still uses facebook? <-- so oklo 20:18:35 16:09:37: 1789 friends <-- still that bad Taneb? 20:18:41 Bike: btw stop reading that log before it gets to the cheater 20:18:43 well i see esoteric has been roughly as incomprehensible in the distant past as it is now 20:18:43 for your own good! 20:18:48 elliott: ok 20:18:49 Vorpal: I deleted that account 20:18:58 Taneb, oh? 20:19:11 do you use face book still? 20:19:14 face book 20:19:19 Yeah, my current account has 250 friends 20:19:20 i use face book 20:19:44 Taneb and elliott, have you two met in RL yet? 20:19:48 Vorpal: no 20:19:56 that is kind of crazy 20:20:18 when you are so close to each other 20:20:18 it's not that weird, arranging irl meetups is weird 20:20:24 well I guess so 20:20:27 also probably hard to get up the motivation if it's somewhere as boring as hexham 20:20:35 Bike: well the astonishing thing is that i don't like even recognise his face 20:20:42 by all rights we should have bumped into each other multiple times 20:20:47 doesn't hexham have like thousands of people in it 20:20:50 it's 20:20:51 kind of tiny 20:20:55 i mean the population is like 12k 20:20:57 but 20:20:59 that's still thousands 20:21:01 yeah but 20:21:07 ok you explain Taneb 20:21:10 explain hexham 20:21:27 Hexham's a small town in Northumberland 20:21:41 Which is a big county by area but tiny by population 20:21:54 ah 20:22:06 i mean, my town has 17k but i can remember like. two faces. half a face 20:22:40 I believe Hexham has an aging population 20:22:49 yeah but 20:22:51 Bike, what? Sure you must have more than 2.5 friends? 20:22:53 never mind Bike you just don't get hexham 20:22:56 So the amount of people in me and elliott's age group is maybe a couple of hundred at most 20:23:04 Taneb, every place has an aging population. 20:23:08 Taneb: probably more than that 20:23:11 Vorpal: why would i be on irc if i had friends. 20:23:15 though some of it stay still due to the birth rate 20:23:20 (on average) 20:23:36 Bike, funny 20:23:44 the joke is crushing loneliness. 20:23:49 ouch 20:23:49 ha ha, only serious 20:23:53 elliott: take in mind that there are about 240 in each year at the high school and a lot of those, probably more than half, come in from out of town 20:24:00 -!- abumirqaan has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:24:01 oh, 240 20:24:02 -!- ggherdov has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:24:07 that's a good deal less than my high school 20:24:09 Taneb: fair enough 20:24:33 Taneb: Don't all places have aging populations? If not, I'd like to move to one of the exceptions. 20:24:40 Bike: there's one high school in town and everyone of the appropriate age except elliott attends 20:24:53 NihilistDandy: I meant something subtly different to what I said 20:24:53 NihilistDandy, you mean where people grow younger year by year? 20:24:58 elliott you'renot in one of those fucking weenie college things are you 20:25:08 Vorpal: That's still aging, just backward 20:25:16 oh, good point 20:25:20 Bike: weenie college things??? 20:25:29 Bike: pretty much everyone in my year at school (which elliott I think would just be in) knows who I am 20:25:34 NihilistDandy, yeah, if there was a place where you aged backward, I would live in that place every other year 20:25:39 i know a guy who's like fifteen and in college because he's in some program for that 20:25:41 Perfect 20:25:45 Taneb: are you 'popular' 20:25:46 -!- iamcal_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:25:53 Bike: more 'infamous' 20:25:55 i know a guy who's like fifteen and in college too! 20:25:58 nice 20:26:04 elliott: ok but everyone you know is kind of a freak. 20:26:19 Bike: yeah but this one is also in #esoteric while not simultaneously being a biologist or a bicycle, and hence cool. 20:26:22 imo. 20:26:27 In retrospect, I wish I'd dropped out of high school at 15, gotten my GED, and not wasted so much time faffing about with high school 20:26:28 Bike: pretty much everyone in my year at school (which elliott I think would just be in) knows who I am <-- what? you are in the same year?? 20:26:33 and don't know each other RL? 20:26:50 vorpal you have really different social norms from me, wtf 20:26:54 Vorpal: I don't comment on elliott's education due to lack of information 20:26:59 NihilistDandy, what about university? 20:27:05 Bike, probably. 20:27:07 My sources claim elliott is "a bit odd" 20:27:17 Taneb, you mean your experience on IRC? 20:27:21 dammit elliott you're a weenie aren't you AREN'T YOU 20:27:22 or real life sources? 20:27:31 his real life elliott spy network 20:27:33 Bike: i'm upset w.r.t. being called a weenie!!!!! 20:27:51 Vorpal: someone who went to first school with an elliott who wasn't Facekicker 20:27:55 elliott, hey are you still as much below average height as you used to be? 20:27:58 i don't respect u 20:28:05 Taneb, "facekicker"? 20:28:08 Vorpal: What about it? I'd have a high school diploma, I could have killed my gen eds at a community college in 4 semesters and then gone to university at seventeen to get a degree 20:28:08 what the hell is that 20:28:31 Taneb: why are you infamous? 20:28:35 NihilistDandy, I don't understand the education system you describe. Whatever, lets just move on. 20:28:46 Vorpal: when I was new to the channel, I asked some of my friends if they had heard of Elliott 20:28:49 he's infamous for not knowing elliott even though they use the same irc channell 20:28:53 Taneb, oh? Lol 20:29:00 One of them had been kicked in the face by someone with the same name 20:29:01 dammit elliott you're fucking up my typing! 20:29:08 channellll 20:29:09 Taneb, hahah XD 20:29:10 aah, you're infamous for having an imaginary friend called elliott? 20:29:15 Taneb, same elliott? 20:29:22 No, different elliott 20:29:26 oh okay 20:29:31 Vorpal: In the US, you're only required to attend high school until the end of your sophomore year, or so. The GED is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Educational_Development 20:29:33 Turns out Facekicker is an Eliott rather than an Elliott 20:29:51 right 20:30:03 Taneb: That makes all the difference in the world 20:30:21 olsner: I'm infamous for mainly being a complete idiot 20:30:28 And also a horse 20:30:32 With OCD-like symptoms 20:30:59 haven't you developed esolangs? 20:31:04 And unfortunately resembling a particular well-known character from the popular TV series the Big Bang Theory 20:31:09 then how can you be an idiot 20:31:17 Vorpal: ... 20:31:17 (well a complete one at any rate) 20:31:21 Vorpal: I sometimes skip backwards for fun 20:31:22 fuck that show 20:31:23 have you seen some of the languages on the wiki 20:31:29 elliott, oh, good point 20:31:31 also i mostly know northumberland from viking chronicles 20:31:34 Taneb: Is it Raj? 20:31:35 in which it mostly ends up burnt? 20:31:39 Bike: so when are you coming to hexham 20:31:42 http://qntm.org/schema 20:31:47 I need to know for #esoslash reasons 20:31:47 NihilistDandy: nah, Penny 20:31:53 Perfect 20:31:54 dude is your high school seriously called Queen Elizabeth 20:32:12 NihilistDandy: #esoslash is almost empty! 20:32:20 Bike: yeah 20:32:20 elliott: if i do i'm bringing bioweapons 20:32:26 that's terrible 20:32:27 It's named after Queen Elizabeth 20:32:47 Famous for having male internal organs or something 20:33:04 Eww, man liver 20:33:07 a performing arts college....... 20:33:19 22:12:41: Taneb: sorry Phantom_Hoover's name is cooler. 20:33:19 22:12:45: Mostly because I can't spell it. 20:33:19 22:12:55: Mine makes me sound like a supervillain 20:33:22 well, anyway, it has a few hundred less students than my high school did 20:33:24 oh wow you're right! 20:33:26 We have a pretty cool drama department 20:34:16 Bike: okay but it'd make the antarctica trip easier to organise 20:34:25 well yeah 20:34:41 i'm bringing the bioweapons so that we can establish our domain on the antarctic plain 20:34:55 you know, cackling, demanding a million dollars from the united nations, etc 20:34:55 So we can rescue tswett? 20:35:02 er... yes. 20:36:25 "The school was founded in 1599" how the heck is everything in britland so damn old 20:36:41 Bike: check out Hexham Abbey 20:36:45 Not to mention the supercomputer/datacenter possibilities with all that permafrost 20:37:05 Bike, why is that a surprising age for a school? 20:37:20 there's not much permafrost in antarctica 20:37:24 NihilistDandy, kind of far away from everything 20:37:30 Bike: do you know when New College, Oxford was founded 20:37:41 Bike: answer: 1379 20:37:57 Vorpal: because i live in a country where no structure, social or physical, has been in operation that long 20:38:06 elliott, what about the the non-new collage? 20:38:09 elliott: that's like, more than twenty years ago 20:38:11 Presumably there is an old one? 20:38:33 Vorpal: well it is actually not known when oxford university was founded 20:38:33 Bike, I live in a house built in 1907, I consider that kind of modern. 20:38:38 oh wow you're right! <-- if you are checking that on the wiki you might want to pay close attention to kerning hthgate 20:38:40 EstablishedUnknown, teaching existed since 1096; 916 years ago[1] 20:38:41 elliott, nice 20:38:44 Hexham dates back to at least the 600s 20:38:50 Vorpal: It's always a little strange when I go to Europe and see all these places that have been around for hundreds of years 20:38:51 Although its exact date of foundation is unclear, there is evidence of teaching as far back as 1096.[1] 20:39:02 britain: "we literally don't know how old this shit is" 20:39:08 oerjan: I remember when someone was messing around with the kerning on that 20:39:08 ThatOtherPerson, okay? 20:39:09 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 20:39:09 oerjan: Oh, god, is there a scandal already? 20:39:20 isn't the known oldest continously operating university in like, italy 20:39:22 ThatOtherPerson: that being me 20:39:24 or maybe oman, i get confused 20:39:38 ThatOtherPerson: er don't you live in saudi arabia 20:39:42 Vorpal: It just feels weird for someone from the States 20:39:58 In the US they build shopping malls on ancient holy sites. In the UK, we build holy sites 20:40:06 Bike: I live in Saudi Arabia, am from the States, and generally visit Europe and the States every summer 20:40:12 ok but like 20:40:12 ThatOtherPerson, I guess the States would feel weird for me then, what with there being no old buildings. 20:40:17 there's a lot of really old stuff there? 20:40:30 It's made out of mud. 20:40:38 That's kinda what you would expect. 20:40:55 ThatOtherPerson, how did you end up in a country like Saudi? 20:40:57 the great mosque of djenne is made of mud and it's still damned impressive 20:41:17 oh heh, it's actually like a hundred years old 20:41:19 ancient history 20:41:27 Vorpal: My dad works in the oil business 20:41:29 NihilistDandy: it's just a side effect of the recent gategate hth 20:41:49 ThatOtherPerson, 20:41:50 ah 20:41:51 My understanding is that the whole place is just sick with castles. I've been looking into taking one off the poor EU's hands 20:42:00 Bike: actually, most of the buildings and infrastructure here are quite new 20:42:10 well yeah, /most/ of it 20:42:11 Much newer than in the States 20:42:26 there aren't a lot of oxford universities in oxford either! 20:42:36 Bike: there's at least two 20:42:53 ThatOtherPerson, how is it living in a dictatorship like that? That is suppressing women to such an absurd degree. 20:42:54 not a lot 20:42:55 -!- augur has joined. 20:43:03 More than there are in, eg, Cambridge 20:43:32 Vorpal: We're somewhat insulated from the normal culture here, but we experience it a bit 20:43:33 But less than there are Birmingham universities in Birmingham, perhaps 20:43:44 On camp it's very similar to the States in some ways 20:43:47 NihilistDandy: clearly you must put a castle IN SPACE 20:44:03 I cannot see any downside to that plan 20:44:26 ThatOtherPerson, huh, you live in some sort of American enclave? 20:44:43 That's how all the Americans live. 20:44:49 I looked into teaching English there 20:44:53 Vorpal: Not quite 20:45:02 oh? 20:45:05 We have people from everywhere 20:45:11 * Bike reflects that not everybody in the world knows people who were diplomats' kids and know this 20:45:16 NihilistDandy: actually, make that _two_ castles joined bottom to bottom of each other, then there will literally be no downside 20:45:21 ThatOtherPerson, okay, you live in some sort of western enclave then? 20:45:37 oerjan: Think of the view! 20:45:51 oerjan++ 20:46:05 oerjan++ hth 20:46:08 More or less... Saudis live on camp as well, and I go to school with people from a bunch of Middle Eastern countries, but it's fairly Westernized 20:46:27 I see 20:46:43 Apparently for a while my mum went to school in an Italian school in Pakistan 20:46:51 ThatOtherPerson, wouldn't it be a bit of an issue for any western female to live there though? 20:47:07 oh hey NihilistDandy is back 20:47:09 Vorpal: On camp, it's much the same as in the West 20:47:23 They don't have to wear abayas and whatnot 20:47:24 ThatOtherPerson, hm okay, so they can drive cars and so on? 20:47:25 did you see what happened to your voxelnatural number page 20:47:27 And they can drive 20:47:37 Phantom__Hoover: No. I'll have to check on it 20:47:39 http://25.media.tumblr.com/35f4270b1894273b22f26a2093af5f24/tumblr_mmaimzJYC71r7m1rko1_500.jpg homestuck 20:47:52 Bike: what 20:47:57 ThatOtherPerson, Still it is rather limiting, a single "camp". Is this a camp of some oil company or such? 20:48:21 Vorpal: It's one of Saudi Aramco's four housing compounds 20:48:33 Phantom__Hoover: Protected? 20:48:37 HOW 20:48:39 WHO 20:48:39 NihilistDandy: look at the history 20:48:41 WHY 20:48:44 I see 20:48:53 NihilistDandy: the admin literally re-added it to an "awesome pages" category after someone removed it and then protected it 20:48:58 imo, an amazing success 20:49:06 I am literally dying 20:49:15 rip 20:49:17 shit, someone call 911 20:49:33 ＬＩＴＥＲＡＴＵＲＥ <-- need to find a better way to type in fullwidth 20:49:35 One of the ironic things about Saudi culture is that Saudi women probably buy more clothes on average than people in most other places in the world 20:49:40 without bothering with setting up a japanese ime or anything 20:49:52 or in fact bothering with anything 20:50:00 ThatOtherPerson, that is one of those horrific abuses of irony 20:50:00 This and my middle-finger to the gods of Crawl (oh, and that awesome dwarf I was) may be one of my favorite #esoteric moments) 20:50:08 Then there isn't a better way, in that case. 20:50:16 My Arabic Culture teacher is Saudi, and I've never seen her wear the same outfit twice. 20:50:27 Phantom__Hoover: you know what's ironic? 20:50:29 tin 20:50:48 I thought of use of Morse code in Dungeons&Dragons game 20:50:51 Phantom__Hoover: oh sure but don't get angry at 'literally' 20:51:00 Shopping is the main form of entertainment here 20:51:03 Taneb, the element tin? 20:51:07 Vorpal: yes 20:51:15 Taneb, how is that ironic? 20:51:33 How ISN'T it ironic? 20:51:45 Taneb, it is just a rather useful metal 20:51:45 It's like rain on your wedding day! 20:51:52 Vorpal 20:51:53 please 20:51:54 Except you don't have to be getting married 20:51:55 not this time 20:51:59 And it doesn't have to rain! 20:52:02 elliott, not what 20:52:05 this. 20:52:20 elliott, I don't get what you are talking about. 20:52:27 how ironic 20:53:04 Also soldering tin is awesome. 20:53:13 modern electronics 20:53:27 Would not be anywhere near the level it is without it 20:53:38 you would have to use wirewrapping or such 20:54:35 I really would think iron would be more ironic than tin 20:54:48 kmc: someone in #haskell has just claimed to miss you 20:54:55 im the center of elliott's existence like the devil is the center of christianity's existence?? <-- well the latter fits with dante, at least 20:54:57 that happens 20:55:23 I think the most important point is that they kept my terrible formatting which I think was the result of an offhanded joke of the shitty formatting on their wiki 20:56:31 ThatOtherPerson, good point 20:56:39 @tell kmc testimonials I do wish kmc and ddarius were still around in here though :[ 20:56:40 Consider it noted. 20:56:49 oerjan, are you log reading 20:56:52 @tin 20:56:53 Maybe you meant: bid id join kind ping run thx time wn 20:57:01 @kind 20:57:04 parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) 20:57:07 Vorpal: yes, against my better judgement 20:57:12 oerjan, ah 20:57:18 @kind Mu 20:57:19 (* -> *) -> * 20:57:25 @kind Taneb 20:57:27 oerjan, why do you think it is a bad idea? 20:57:29 Not in scope: type constructor or class `Taneb' 20:57:31 hrm? 20:57:42 ohhhhhhhhhh 20:57:49 a HASKELL thingy 20:57:53 I shoulda known 20:58:00 ThatOtherPerson, yes, what else would lambdabot be 20:58:05 lisp? 20:58:13 well okay 20:58:13 a greek language learning bot 20:58:18 or that 20:58:22 Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download, of course 20:58:34 Taneb, what the hell? 20:58:41 taneb's esolang 20:58:43 a good one 20:58:45 ah 20:58:47 right 20:58:48 remember now 20:58:54 ALSO did you know unicode spells lambda as lamda, imo fuck unicode 20:58:59 Vorpal: have you never seen Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download? 20:59:18 Vorpal: because it's using up time for other browsing and stuff 20:59:23 Taneb: I was so disappointed when the rest of the language didn't fit with the theme of the name 20:59:27 LAMBDA ZERO 20:59:34 Taneb, I remember looking at the esolang in question once 20:59:58 ThatOtherPerson: the name and the language were actually developed independently 21:00:00 ThatOtherPerson: what's... the theme...... 21:00:04 @messages 21:00:04 Bike: apparently in ancient greek it may have been pronounced labda 21:00:04 elliott said 3m 24s ago: testimonials I do wish kmc and ddarius were still around in here though :[ 21:00:12 and pi was pronounced pee 21:00:19 Bike: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 21:00:26 yes but fuck ancient greek 21:00:44 also zeta was pronounced something stupid 21:00:53 Taneb: Should I assume the kerning on your userpage is intentional 21:00:56 ? 21:01:00 NihilistDandy: yes 21:01:01 anyway fuck the greeks, they invented gayness 21:01:23 Ah, there it is :D 21:01:28 NihilistDandy, what kerning? 21:01:33 keming 21:01:40 * oerjan searches for his nick and skips the rest. 21:01:48 NihilistDandy, I don't see it on User:Taneb on the esolang wiki 21:01:51 Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nathan_van_Doorn 21:02:19 NihilistDandy, don't see any unusual kerning 21:02:20 letter-spacing: -0.08em 21:02:31 oh wait, rn -> m 21:02:38 MUAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA 21:02:44 it looks like m in the font my computer uses 21:02:48 Nathan van Doorn 21:03:04 Vorpal: http://fuckyeahkeming.com/ 21:03:12 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:03:21 Bike, lol 21:03:27 oh, now I see that it doesn't actually say doom 21:03:28 Bike: The requested website is blocked as it falls under a blocked category. 21:03:46 MY NOOK 21:03:48 IS SO BAD 21:03:51 The question is, why is it blocked? 21:03:53 hi 21:03:54 -!- jix has joined. 21:04:06 The old censorship software used to say why stuff was blocked 21:04:11 Sometimes, if there's just a word on a line, the word will be s p a c e d like that 21:04:18 Other things do it too 21:04:20 Just aarg 21:04:21 h 21:04:37 ThatOtherPerson: probably because it's on tumblr 21:04:48 tumblr isn't blocked... 21:05:01 hpaste is blocked at work 21:05:14 oh, then... that... beats me! 21:05:33 oh 21:05:39 it might have to do with the domain name 21:05:47 oh right 21:07:06 Bike: The requested website is blocked as it falls under a blocked category. <-- Saudi blockage or what? 21:07:11 Use a VPN then 21:07:36 Vorpal: actually, specific to Saudi Aramco, but Saudi does have their own Great Firewall 21:07:38 you really need to get in on this kerning dude this shit is choice 21:07:42 ThatOtherPerson, ouch 21:08:42 I'm glad I live in Sweden, where I can get relatively free internet. (I believe there is some DNS blocking of child porn going on though) 21:09:18 but what at what cost? 21:09:22 (a: living in sweden) 21:09:23 http://what-if.xkcd.com/imgs/a/43/train_loop_clothoid.png <-- have any of you been to the Burj Khalifa? It is really tall. (understatement) 21:10:05 dubai seems like a nice place to go. if you're rich 21:10:07 if you jumped off the top would you be in space?? 21:10:19 ThatOtherPerson: What on earth is that what if about? 21:10:33 NihilistDandy: from XKCD What-If 21:10:42 So remind me what my dilemma is, again? 21:10:43 "Could a high-speed train run through a vertical loop, like a rollercoaster, with the passengers staying comfortable?" 21:11:03 Like, I'm supposedly stranded in Antarctica because neither Australia nor Finland considers me a citizen, even though I've resided in both for many years, right? 21:11:24 I was born in Australia and went to Finland for university or whatever. 21:11:33 speaking of tall buildings, they finished the Freedom Tower 21:11:48 tswett: I mostly remember that it was really complicated 21:11:53 o rly 21:12:00 tswett, no you went to university in the university of finland-australia 21:12:02 which is in both 21:12:11 tswett: Is this canon or is it fanfiction? 21:12:19 Must be a hell of a walk across campus 21:12:22 it's only 65% as tall as the Burj Khalifa though 21:12:26 Ah, right, the Finland–Australia Cosovereign Exclave, located in Asia. 21:12:38 ThatOtherPerson: fan fiction. 21:12:44 ah, righto 21:13:04 the burj khalifa is surruonded by much much much smaller buildings isn't it 21:13:10 yes 21:13:22 oh it's called the 'one world trade center' officially 21:13:25 that's way less cheesy 21:13:32 yeah they ditched the "freedom tower" name a while back 21:13:37 but it's still 1,776 ft tall 21:13:49 it's weird how the numbers come before the names 21:13:53 pfff 21:13:59 elliott: it's like books of the bible 21:14:00 they say it's one world trade center but there's actually two!! 21:14:06 one canada square 21:14:07 i remember seeing that last year 21:14:08 it was tall 21:14:15 it looks very shiny on the pictures 21:14:17 elliott: there's like nine... 21:14:21 Bike: what really 21:14:24 i mainly call it the Freedom Tower because when I lived near the construction site I called it the Freedom Hole 21:14:25 oh yeah 21:14:28 there's like at least 7 right 21:14:37 i don't know about your america and your buildings! 21:14:40 and your terrorism 21:14:42 it went up to seven i guess 21:14:43 elliott: One (of the) World Trade Center(s) 21:15:04 the new 7 WTC opened in 2006 21:15:23 Well, you couldn't call it World Trade Center One, because there's only one World Trade Center. 21:15:28 imo some buildings are just too big 21:15:34 there's a world trade center in boston 21:15:38 One World Trade Center is one of the buildings of the one World Trade Center. 21:15:41 there's a wtc in portland too 21:15:43 kmc: well, that one doesn't count. 21:15:47 Bike: well, that one doesn't count, either. 21:15:48 it's kind of a common name? 21:15:52 there's a world trade center in stockholm too, it's completely unremarkable iirc 21:15:54 world trade centre, hexham 21:15:55 like.. trade, in the world 21:15:58 need centers for it 21:15:58 also there's a world financial center down the street from the world trade center 21:16:03 olsner: well, that one doesn't count, either! elliott: nor that one! 21:16:19 Anyway, I would assume that there's nobody assigning ID numbers to each individual World Trade Cente.r 21:16:21 more like a world trade decenter at this point 21:16:22 But there's more then one World Trade Center!? 21:16:24 s/whatever 21:16:36 isn't there? 21:16:39 elliott: I think they're opening that where the Greggs that closed used to be 21:16:40 ugh I get confused 21:16:52 Why do we need a World Trade Center, anyway? Does world trade really need a center? 21:17:00 yeah 21:17:02 there's a lot of it 21:17:06 Taneb: the greggs closed[3~/????? 21:17:08 which one 21:17:09 gotta coordinate that shit, do a bit of central planning 21:17:17 tswett: it's where the illuminati meet 21:17:24 to illuminate 21:17:24 that's why it's ONE WORLD man 21:17:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_trade_centers 21:17:27 ONE WORLD ORDER!!! 21:17:27 elliott: the one by the market place 21:17:34 Bike: I suppose that makes sense. So this is where all the leaders of the world get together and make world laws. 21:17:36 Taneb: um lame 21:17:38 why did it close 21:17:39 Right 21:17:43 Gee, I just realized. 21:17:44 elliott: idk, man 21:17:45 also how long ago was this (can you tell i don't get out much) 21:17:51 tswett: not up on politics are you 21:17:53 About two weeks? 21:17:56 Rather. 21:18:00 Gee, I just realized: 21:18:00 where'd you think they made world laws at, the UN? bull shit 21:18:06 The other Greggs got renevated and now is stupid fancy 21:18:12 The decisions of the United Nations Security Council are binding on the entire world. 21:18:16 Except for Vatican City and Taiwan. 21:18:24 well 21:18:26 fsvo 'binding' 21:18:36 also there are a lot more non-member-states than that. 21:18:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_World_Trade_Center <-- I've driven past that a million times and I had no idea that it was a World Trade Center 21:19:02 can you imagine actually like 21:19:06 doing things high up in the wtc towers 21:19:11 imo i'd be too scared of heights 21:19:12 For example, The Independent People's Democratic Republic of Hexham 21:19:21 probably you wouldn't have a window seat elliott 21:19:35 Bike: you can probably feel being that high up!!! 21:19:36 you're not really an 'executive type' 21:19:48 ...have you never been in a tall building before, like on vacation or somethingi 21:20:03 elliott, and i mean there wouldn't be much gravity that high 21:20:04 or air 21:20:08 Bike: not really 21:20:27 probably the highest up I've been is like... man idek 21:20:30 elliott: Have you ever been in an airplane? 21:20:33 doesn't count 21:20:39 aeroplanes aren't buildings!!!! 21:20:53 aeroplanes are you for real 21:20:58 imo no 21:20:58 ok think about it this way 21:21:20 Our WTC is.. disappointing :( 21:21:24 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Center,_Stockholm.jpg 21:21:28 when you're in an aeroplane the only thing keeping gravity off you is wings which don't even flap 21:21:31 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 21:21:32 FireFly: yeah same 21:21:46 Phantom__Hoover: they flap just really quickly so you can't see 21:21:50 the magicke of science 21:22:03 you know they actually have ornithopters now 21:22:05 pretty weird 21:22:10 ok look would you be comfortable in space 21:22:15 FireFly, what does a WTC actually do? I wasn't aware of that it was a "thing" until today. I just thought it was a name of some former buildings in the US. 21:22:31 Ah, you see, the wings of a bird flap back and forth. 21:22:38 Whereas the wings of an airplane flap *around*. 21:22:43 And internally. 21:22:45 Vorpal: world trade 21:22:50 Vorpal: no clue. The one in Stockholm just hosts a bunch of offices for random companies 21:22:51 -!- iamcal_ has joined. 21:22:56 So, you know the World Trade Center in New York? 21:22:59 ThatOtherPerson, right, but what do they do for the world trade 21:23:07 FireFly, you swedefuck 21:23:07 capitalism things 21:23:12 tswett, yes, destroyed in 2001 21:23:14 The one that was the target of a terrorist attack a while back? 21:23:16 banking, getting money 21:23:25 I mean, technically not all of it was destroyed. I think. 21:23:28 wearing expensive suits 21:23:34 Phantom__Hoover: yes? 21:23:46 But anyway, were their tenants restricted to things related to world trade? 21:23:55 well 21:24:00 office space was probably expensive 21:24:03 Or could, like, just anyone rent out a chunk of the World Trade Center? 21:24:18 there was a restaurant wasn't there 21:24:22 Vorpal: they center it 21:24:30 ThatOtherPerson, right... 21:24:46 tswett: well there was like, zoning 21:24:57 you couldn't open a fish market in the twelfth floor 21:25:07 tswett, I'm not sure there is much world trade going on yet? You can't trade in worlds afaik. 21:25:13 probably the only businesses that could afford being in WTC would be in world trade 21:25:16 because $$$ 21:25:19 Vorpal: " The WTCA is an unofficial umbrella trade association that unites corporations and government agencies in international trade" 21:25:26 ThatOtherPerson, right 21:25:32 Wait, the World Trade Center was leased? 21:25:37 Initially conceived as a complex dedicated to companies and organizations directly taking part in "world trade", they at first failed to attract the expected clientele. During the early years, various governmental organizations became key tenants of the World Trade Center including the State of New York. It was not until the 1980s that the city's perilous financial state eased, after which an increasing number of private companies—mostly fi 21:25:48 Like... its owners leased the entire complex to another company? 21:25:50 ThatOtherPerson, but what do they actually do to promote the international trade 21:25:53 tswett: parts of the complex 21:25:55 Bike: mostly fi 21:26:02 —mostly financial firms tied to Wall Street—became tenants. 21:26:11 Vorpal: They have committees 21:26:14 During the 1990s, approximately 500 companies had offices in the complex including many financial companies such as Morgan Stanley, Aon Corporation, Salomon Brothers and the Port Authority itself. 21:26:21 Eight of them, in fact 21:26:22 (Port Authority could be a band name) 21:26:28 ThatOtherPerson, that do what 21:26:46 My favorite imaginary band name at the moment, I think, is Dancer Outside Wall. 21:26:50 Vorpal: they carry on the work of the organization 21:27:09 my channel user list is out of sync I think. I just noticed ThatOtherPerson is not in it 21:27:12 how did that happen 21:27:23 I am invisisible 21:27:27 As always 21:27:30 and why does Gregor have voice? 21:27:35 -!- augur has joined. 21:27:37 I had a desynced channel user list in another channel today, but ThatOtherPerson is present in mine. 21:27:39 what a stupid question 21:27:40 That's just this thing he does 21:27:46 Vorpal: because Gregor is. 21:27:48 tswett, strange 21:27:59 Vorpal: http://www.wtca.org/ 21:28:12 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:29:49 Bike: isn't port authority already a band name 21:29:51 it sounds like one 21:29:53 -!- heroux has joined. 21:30:35 hm 21:30:53 it's a play 21:31:01 googling suggests there is a band called "Port Authority Band" 21:31:03 does that count 21:31:04 and also an album my marco Polo 21:31:10 *by marco polo 21:31:17 and also http://portauthority.bandcamp.com/ 21:31:50 i like the mask 21:32:06 "Access to the roof was controlled from the WTC Operations Control Center (OCC) located in the B1 level of 2 WTC." How did they do that? 21:32:14 Cameras and remotely operated locks? 21:32:43 probably? 21:32:49 or you had to go in there and ask for a key? 21:33:20 I doubt "roof of the World Trade Center" and "disgusting gas station bathroom" have the same security policy 21:33:25 "Hey Bob, did you get a key from Operations?" "Shit." 21:33:46 or it just had a passcode or something 21:33:55 and we all know it was an inside job, right? ;P 21:34:01 NihilistDandy: why? what the heck is on the roof 21:34:08 what are you gonna do, punch a lightning rod? 21:34:18 Antennas and shit? 21:34:26 Bike, communication antennas 21:34:36 Huh. The World Trade Center has its own ZIP code. 21:34:44 tswett, what really 21:34:55 10048. 21:35:26 It's probably just that there's only one elevator up to the top, and it happened to be in that building 21:35:29 "By the end of 2006, the number of items sent to 10048 had decreased to around 300 items daily,[6] mostly sent from businesses and organizations that had not yet updated their bulk mailing lists." 21:35:55 tswett, heh 21:43:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Petit#World_Trade_Center_walk 21:43:40 you should all watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_on_Wire 21:44:13 kmc: ok no I don't need panic attacks about that 21:44:34 imo you should have some cushioning on the ground in case you fall 21:44:43 guy with a trampoline 21:44:55 Wasn't there like a video game about that 21:45:18 "Provoked by his taunting behaviour while on the wire, police handcuffed him behind his back and roughly pushed him down a flight of stairs. This he later described as the most dangerous part of the stunt." nice guy 21:45:42 Maybe HTML should just have some sort of units tag 21:46:00 So you can say 26 feet and the browser could show it as 8 metres 21:46:06 maybe html doesn't need more tags 21:46:13 maybe 21:46:17 maybe it does olsner, maybe it does 21:46:28 Bike: maybe NOT 21:46:49 The Port Authority allowed Petit to conduct the interviews, which he used as a pretext to make more observations. 21:46:56 high-ranking band 21:47:06 Maybe HTML needs all the tags 21:47:33 port authority trans-hudson 21:47:36 All of them! 21:47:46 maybe html should allow whatever tags you try to use, and not have so much to say about how they're presented 21:47:59 HTML need more methods to mark up microdata :-) 21:48:03 html doesn't say anything about presentation "in" "theory" 21:48:29 kmc: fuck he lied down on the fucking wire 21:48:45 worst person i hate him jesus 21:48:46 Once upon a time, there was no CSS 21:48:53 elliott: What was the wire doing?! 21:48:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:49:07 wiring 21:50:39 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:51:47 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:58:58 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:00:51 Will b and i etc. ever be removed? 22:01:13 ? 22:01:14 and were undeprecated 22:01:19 ah 22:01:40 someone explained to me once why and didn't constitute presentation but i forgot 22:02:23 Blind people, maybe? 22:02:25 oh i guess they weren't deprecated in html4 either 22:02:26 just 22:03:03 is for when you're sort of naming a work 22:03:15 NihilistDandy: i think that was involved yeah 22:03:25 Like, "Leonardo DiCaprio was in Inception and Romeo and Juliet" 22:03:37 I figure is semantically different from 22:03:58 And equally I suppose is semantically distinct from , though that case is harder to argue 22:04:00 Taneb: it's not just for that 22:06:47 and are now defined differently than and , in HTML5 22:07:07 http://html5doctor.com/i-b-em-strong-element/ 22:08:13 a ship name 22:08:20 -!- ggherdov has joined. 22:09:05 Extended_UNIX_Code_Packed_Format_for_Japanese. terrifying 22:09:19 IBM strong! 22:09:32 "stylistically offset" <-- isn't that basically presentational? 22:09:56 shhhhhhh don't ruin the magic. 22:13:09 You can avoid these problems with HTML by using plain text format, is one thing. 22:14:14 Even when you do use HTML, you can avoid what they keep changing and stuff by using only what is necessary; so, don't use CSS, don't use