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16:39:28 <Phantom__Hoover> although apparently KCl doesn't actually taste like salt so the original point is kind of moot
16:39:40 <elliott> hkt: are you a bot
16:39:41 <boily> Bike: no, salt's can't be molecules, as they are inorganic. their formulæs describe the proportions of the atoms in thei crystalline structure.
16:39:48 <Bike> i mean, you can't just drink chlorine ions
16:39:49 <hkt> no I'm not
16:39:58 <Bike> `welcome hkt
16:40:03 <AnotherTest> prove it! cheap ai can do that!
16:40:08 <HackEgo> hkt: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
16:40:16 <boily> s/salt's/salts/
16:40:30 <Phantom__Hoover> yeah but at the same time the chlorine ions and sodium ions are kind of independent
16:40:32 <boily> hkt: what is your opinion on brainfuck derivatives?
16:40:42 <Bike> kind of
16:40:43 <hkt> A bit boring in my opinion
16:40:48 <elliott> ah, one of us
16:40:50 <Bike> also: is may second lost to time
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16:40:52 <elliott> ™
16:40:52 <Bike> in the logs
16:40:59 <elliott> did gregor just bring in both glogbot and glogbackup
16:41:04 <elliott> i've never felt more watched
16:41:05 <Bike> we may never know what truly occured that day
16:41:06 <boily> ah! a real someone if flesh and blood and other structural elements!
16:41:13 <elliott> Bike: do you want to know about our secret older logs
16:41:19 <Bike> that's discriminatory boily
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16:41:24 <elliott> Bike: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D bam
16:41:24 <Bike> elliott: !!!!!
16:41:40 <Bike> oh the actual glogbot logs
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16:41:47 <elliott> ??
16:41:49 <elliott> that's clog's logs.
16:41:51 <Bike> or... no
16:41:54 <hkt> I like low level languages though
16:41:55 <Bike> whatever too many fuckin bots.
16:42:03 <elliott> in fact glogbot's first N years of logging up to like... 2011? 2012? are just the clog logs
16:42:03 <Bike> ANYWAY: may 2's log starts with ME. good log
16:42:07 <Phantom__Hoover> no, clog is the old logs
16:42:12 <boily> Bike: I mentioned structural elements. that includes mechanical apparatuses that occasionally accompany things made of liquids, such as human beings.
16:42:14 <Phantom__Hoover> we don't use them any more because they're kind of shit
16:42:16 <elliott> s/glogbot/the codu log site/
16:42:19 <Bike> apparati!!!
16:42:20 <Phantom__Hoover> elliott, remember herobrine!
16:42:24 <Bike> apparatopodes
16:42:42 <elliott> apparati...
16:42:45 <FreeFull> Phantom__Hoover: He's still there
16:42:46 <boily> I don't care about pluralseses.
16:42:46 <elliott> apparatæ
16:42:54 <elliott> i liked formulæs btw
16:42:57 <elliott> that was a good plural
16:43:03 <elliott> also salt's
16:43:04 <FreeFull> Notch and Jeb tried to get rid of him, but it didn't work
16:43:24 <Phantom__Hoover> the secret: formula is already the plural, the singular is formulum
16:43:28 <Taneb> I think everyone who says "formulae" should be forced to decline it as though they were speaking latin
16:43:40 <elliott> formulai
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16:43:51 <FreeFull> Taneb: It is easier to say than formulas
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16:44:07 <Bike> formuLIE
16:44:07 <Taneb> "I don't know the definition of these formularum!"
16:44:26 <Gregor> Bike: Oooooooooooooooh
16:44:36 <Bike> ooh
16:44:49 <ThatOtherPerson> Gregor: which Coyote?
16:45:00 <Gregor> Wile E.
16:45:03 <Taneb> And people who insist that formulae is correct when it's in the accusative...
16:45:04 <Taneb> Ugh
16:45:05 <ThatOtherPerson> oh
16:46:07 <elliott> maybe formula is a mass noun
16:46:39 <ThatOtherPerson> formularem
16:46:40 <Taneb> (I like "formulas", and latin)
16:46:42 <ThatOtherPerson> that is final
16:46:44 <Phantom__Hoover> i just can't handle all this formula!
16:47:23 <Gregor> Formuloodleoodleoodle-eeeeeeeee
16:48:00 * boily tries to grab his metasepia in order to apply percussive maintenance on Gregor, but can't seem to find it...
16:48:08 <NihilistDandy> Taneb: Plēbēs
16:49:05 <Taneb> NihilistDandy: one of my Latin teachers also taught Andrew Mitchell
16:49:14 <Taneb> Of "plebgate" (ugh) fame
16:49:48 <NihilistDandy> I know nothing about that except that Google News is blowing up about the sale of his bike
16:49:50 <Phantom__Hoover> is this where he learnt the term
16:49:51 <hkt> Taneb: where did you study latin?
16:49:58 <Phantom__Hoover> also why are people always ragging on the -gate suffix
16:49:59 <Phantom__Hoover> it's great
16:50:15 <NihilistDandy> Watergategate
16:50:20 <boily> NihilistDandy: hello, good afternoon or whatever timeframe you are in. I fear I don't have your approximate geographical coordinates and you body weigh with me. could you please provide these vital informations?
16:50:30 <boily> s/you/your/
16:50:31 <Taneb> High school
16:50:40 <NihilistDandy> I am immensely confused
16:50:42 <Taneb> In Hexham
16:50:43 <Taneb> Phantom__Hoover: because it forces Watergategate
16:50:51 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w `-`
16:51:41 <Taneb> I am the author of the best esolang named after a mitchell and webb sketch
16:51:44 <Phantom__Hoover> there must've been a scandal involving water by now
16:52:10 * quintopia sells Bike
16:52:32 <Bike> nooooo.
16:52:46 <Taneb> Phantom__Hoover: didn't coca cola do that a few years ago
16:52:52 <quintopia> maybe i'll get on google news now
16:52:57 <boily> Taneb: NihilistDandy is another hexamite?
16:53:14 <Taneb> boily: I hope not
16:53:14 <Taneb> And highly doubt it
16:53:17 <Taneb> I believe he's been around longer than I have
16:53:22 <Taneb> `pastelogs NihilistDandy
16:53:47 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20213
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16:54:38 <NihilistDandy> Oh, god, 2 years on Tuesday
16:54:39 <quintopia> is thelliot more likely to mean 'thanks elliott' or 'the hell, elliott?'
16:54:53 <boily> `pastelogs boily
16:55:00 <Taneb> `pastelogs Taneb
16:55:07 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14217
16:55:20 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21878
16:55:29 <boily> what the hell have I been doing with my life. 2006. I wasn't even in university by then!
16:56:18 <NihilistDandy> Lurking a lot, it seems
16:56:21 <Taneb> Huh
16:56:23 <Taneb> I've been around longer than NihilistDandy
16:56:27 <Taneb> In your face, ND
16:56:50 <ThatOtherPerson> `pastelogs Taneb 
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16:57:02 <quintopia> boily: how old you
16:57:02 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: I already did that one
16:57:03 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9323
16:57:12 <ThatOtherPerson> oh
16:57:22 <boily> quintopia: 24.
16:57:54 <ThatOtherPerson> `pastelogs ThatOtherPerson
16:58:16 <NihilistDandy> Taneb: Am I bovvered?
16:58:19 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2596
16:58:26 <quintopia> boily: oh thats not too bad
16:58:42 <boily> what is a sampa table, and how the fungot did I have one if I don't even know what it is.
16:58:42 <fungot> boily: shall we get back to the present? he's been known. we reptites will rule the world in a mere door that keeps us bound, hand, foot...and tongue kid? ...oh, it's you, isn't this morbid? the great adventurer toma levine rests in a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's statue before my shift. i hate! ayla not like...
16:59:10 <ThatOtherPerson> <oerjan> by some freak coincidence taneb is elliott's next door neighbor <-- is this true
16:59:12 <elliott> pr.sm.bly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_Assessment_Methods_Phonetic_Alphabet
16:59:13 <quintopia> ^style
16:59:13 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
16:59:18 <elliott> ThatOtherPerson: we live in the same town of ~11k
16:59:19 <elliott> so sure
16:59:20 <quintopia> what is ct
16:59:27 <elliott> category theory
16:59:29 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: it's not quite that extreme
16:59:36 <ThatOtherPerson> So no, it's not trye
16:59:38 <nooodl> "(as this set is naturally endowed with a structure of field, the expression field of the real numbers is more frequently used than set of all real numbers)." - wikipedia on real numbers
16:59:40 <ThatOtherPerson> or true
16:59:47 <nooodl> is this true?
16:59:53 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: elliott: Have you ever met each other in person?
17:00:01 <Taneb> We live in the same small town, have the same interests, are within a year of eachother in age, and have NEVER EVER MET
17:00:29 <quintopia> what is ct halp
17:00:40 <Taneb> quintopia: cheese toasties
17:00:59 <elliott> ThatOtherPerson: no
17:00:59 <NihilistDandy> nooodl: I suppose that's fairly true
17:01:26 <NihilistDandy> nooodl: Most people who care about the reals treat them as a field
17:01:37 <quintopia> i don't know what body of text cheese toasties is
17:01:41 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: elliott: Your mission is to meet, face to face, once by next Friday.
17:01:50 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: that will destroy the universe
17:02:04 <NihilistDandy> Preferably literally face to face
17:02:21 <ThatOtherPerson> Maybe it won't. You'll never find out if you don't try. FOR SCIENCE.
17:02:31 <NihilistDandy> For fanfic!
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17:05:12 <AnotherTest> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/CppHeaderParser/ is this any good? (assuming I only what to get class and function names from a file)
17:06:02 <AnotherTest> I was thinking libclang first... but that turned out to be too good
17:08:15 <Taneb> NihilistDandy: are you writing #esoteric slash
17:08:30 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: elliott: meet in Hexham Parks tomorrow at 3:00 PM
17:08:38 <NihilistDandy> Wrote, writing, will write.~
17:08:42 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: nah
17:08:55 <Taneb> For a start I don't think there's such a thing as Hexham Parks
17:09:05 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=9109
17:09:32 <ThatOtherPerson> You live in that town and you don't know about the park there?
17:09:33 <NihilistDandy> And don't even pretend #esoteric-slash wouldn't become its own channel in a heartbeat
17:09:39 <Taneb> Those are four different parks
17:09:55 <Taneb> Which sort of touch
17:10:09 <Taneb> And I don't know where Cowgarth is
17:10:36 <Taneb> Huh
17:10:38 <Taneb> It's that bit
17:11:32 <Taneb> Anyway, I'll brb
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17:12:56 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: what is a memo and how did you send me one
17:14:18 <Bike> /ms help
17:14:30 <ThatOtherPerson> whoa
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17:53:39 <Taneb> Hi again
17:54:00 <boily> faxes are evil. a memorandum is a thinner version of a clay tablet, with undecipherable glyphs. I don't want to appear in any #esoteric slashes unless I get to wear an orange shirt.
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18:23:07 * ThatOtherPerson whacks himself for forgetting to make a class inherit another class
18:24:59 <Taneb> NihilistDandy: send me a copy of some elliott/Phantom_Hoover at some point
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18:26:37 <ThatOtherPerson> ?
18:26:52 <Taneb> ;)
18:27:30 <elliott> help
18:27:52 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: you scared one of the many Phantoms away!
18:28:05 <ThatOtherPerson> actually I think you scared the last of them away
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18:35:28 * boily dons his ritual gown, and does the phantasmal invocation dance
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18:39:27 <boily> ah! it worked!
18:39:29 <ThatOtherPerson> boily: wat how did you do that
18:39:38 <ThatOtherPerson> boily: are you Phantom__Hoover?
18:40:25 <boily> ThatOtherPerson: despite my Canadian status, I am solid, therefore I'm no spectre, shadow, phantom or floating thing with a white drape on its head.
18:40:51 <FireFly> `pastelogs FireFly
18:41:01 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18631
18:41:19 <FireFly> well..
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18:41:41 <FireFly> that actually worked better than I thought it would
18:42:14 <FireFly> Urgh
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19:00:06 * ThatOtherPerson wonders if he should make the number of people in his simulation something smaller than 6200000
19:00:39 <Gregor> Smaller? That's not even one one-thousandth of the human population!
19:02:05 * ThatOtherPerson checks to see what happens when he increases the number of people in his simulation to 78000000000
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19:13:57 <ThatOtherPerson> I had to restart
19:14:50 <AnotherTest> What are you simulating?
19:16:49 <ThatOtherPerson> An economy, hopefully, at some point
19:17:52 <Bike> i hear those are complicated
19:18:48 <ThatOtherPerson> Hopefully an EXTREMELY SIMPLIFIED model of an economy
19:19:01 <ThatOtherPerson> basic enough for a class presentation
19:21:09 <boily> “you have two simulated cows...”
19:21:26 <Jafet> Spherical cows, for simplicity
19:21:33 <kmc> make it 100% bitcoin based
19:21:57 <olsner> spherical bitcows
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19:22:51 <Vorpal> what is a good vnc client that runs under X11?
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19:24:31 <boily> Vorpal: vinagre.
19:25:27 <Vorpal> boily, gnome?
19:25:28 <Vorpal> hrrm
19:25:35 <Bike> what if you set up a few bots that just mined bitcoins and traded the with each other in a fashion resembling large business transactions in the real world
19:25:57 <Vorpal> Bike, what about it?
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19:26:16 <Bike> what about it
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19:26:32 <ThatOtherPerson> I am an idiot
19:26:49 <ThatOtherPerson> I forgot to change the number of people
19:26:53 <ThatOtherPerson> And had to restart again
19:27:18 <olsner> Vorpal: I remember I found a good one once and wrote down the name somewhere as a note-to-self
19:27:29 <olsner> unfortunately, I don't know where the note is
19:27:36 <Vorpal> well vinagre seems to work
19:27:48 <Vorpal> though it looks kind of broken style-wise in xfce
19:28:03 <Bike> does that involve restarting your computer
19:29:02 <ThatOtherPerson> Yes?
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19:58:06 <AnotherTest> Why do you have to restart your computer to restart the simulation?
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19:58:54 <boily> AnotherTest: he simulates his simulation in the kernel boot process, probably.
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19:59:26 <ThatOtherPerson> Heh, I wasn't restarting the simulation
19:59:45 <ThatOtherPerson> I just had one of the variables so high that the computer froze whenever I ran it
19:59:51 <ThatOtherPerson> AnotherTest: ^
20:00:45 <elliott> `welcome Yonkie
20:00:47 <HackEgo> Yonkie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
20:01:52 <olsner> hmm, how did I end up here? I don't seem to remember
20:01:59 <AnotherTest> what about running the simulation on a remote server
20:02:20 <AnotherTest> or what about running it on another computer
20:02:31 <AnotherTest> or what about running it on your local supercomputer?
20:03:15 <ThatOtherPerson> I didn't really want there to be 78,000,000,000 people in the simulation; I just did that on a whim
20:03:23 <ThatOtherPerson> (Thanks to Gregor)
20:03:25 <boily> I have a spare raspberry at home. think it can count as a local (very local) supercomputer?
20:03:44 <Bike> is a yonkie like a honky or what
20:03:49 <ThatOtherPerson> And then I accidentally ran it again without changing that variable
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20:08:40 <kmc> this honky grandma be trippin'!
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20:09:40 <Yonkie> have fun
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20:10:53 <Yonkie> or have phun, I always forgot how it's spelled correctly
20:11:55 <elliott> https://images.asc.ohio-state.edu/is/image/csuriproject/2/20308688-9db3-4380-bf1e-e02e83fd0180.tif/?size=450,450&fmt=png Art™
20:13:14 <Jafet> Putting the high in high art
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20:18:07 <Bike> control in the spleen? how greek
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20:33:49 <boily> weird. I have hoopl 3.9, which seems to not exist yet.
20:34:26 <ThatOtherPerson> Time travel!
20:41:39 <Koen_> ThatOtherPerson: I know I asked a thousand times already but can I see your ludum dare entry?
20:42:44 <ThatOtherPerson> Koen_: It's got a bunch of bugs D: http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-26/?action=preview&uid=18411
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20:42:48 <Koen_> thank you
20:43:16 <ThatOtherPerson> you're welcome
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21:06:38 <Vorpal> kmc, just reading that http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.se/2011/11/self-modifying-code-for-debug-tracing.html (it was you who wrote that right?) "... but our code is terribly x86-specific anyway, so we'll hardcode the page size of 4096 bytes" <-- what about huge pages
21:06:55 <Vorpal> I seem to remember there being a kernel option that automatically tries to make use of hugepages
21:09:12 <olsner> automatically created hugepages should be split automatically as well
21:09:28 <Vorpal> hm probably
21:09:35 <boily> what is a huge page? 48’ × 36’?
21:09:57 <Vorpal> boily, very funny
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21:10:29 <Vorpal> boily, did you try google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_(computer_memory)#Huge_pages
21:11:18 <boily> Vorpal: it's Friday late afternoon. my brain has went past the liquid state and deep into the pond-with-decorative-plants state.
21:11:28 <boily> Vorpal: nah. too logical.
21:13:12 <FireFly> Who measures pages in inches anyway?
21:13:16 <FireFly> measure*
21:13:41 <boily> uhm, us, and our southern neighbours.
21:13:50 <Vorpal> FireFly, good point
21:14:02 <Vorpal> boily, that is a minority though
21:14:06 <elliott> us and us
21:14:14 <olsner> hmm, wasn't that in feet though?
21:14:25 <boily> yeah. got mixed up with my keyboard shortcuts.
21:14:48 <boily> should have been ” instead of ’. still kinda huge for a page, even so.
21:15:22 <kmc> Vorpal: yeah, transparent huge pages should get split automatically
21:15:36 <olsner> they wouldn't be very transparent otherwise
21:15:39 <ThatOtherPerson> 5.0%
21:15:51 <kmc> when i mmap an explicit huge page mapping with MAP_HUGETLB and then mprotect() an offset within that, I do get EINVAL
21:16:06 <kmc> i presume the same thing would happen with hugetlbfs
21:16:14 <Vorpal> probably
21:16:31 <olsner> but those are very untransparent huge pages? (and what is "tlb" doing in those names?)
21:16:53 <olsner> a huge tlb sounds like something you would put lots of small pages in
21:17:04 <pikhq> Those are incredibly untransparent huge pages.
21:17:06 <Vorpal> oh funny, the read-write support for ubuntu live cds/live usb has a space leak.
21:17:35 <Vorpal> Each boot it will create a file in /tmp in the read-write partition image file, before mounting tmpfs on /tmp. It doesn't remove those files.
21:18:14 <Vorpal> actually a directory with a couple of files
21:18:45 <kmc> Linux seems to use the terms "TLB" and "page mapping" somewhat interchangeably
21:18:46 <kmc> sigh
21:18:58 <pikhq> Isn't the TLB rather... different?
21:19:03 <Vorpal> yeah it is
21:19:13 <Vorpal> TLB is the cache for page mappings
21:19:19 <pikhq> Like, I could've sworn the TLB was basically a cache for the page table.
21:19:25 <Vorpal> pikhq, correct
21:20:37 <olsner> TLB is a pretty weird name for a cache too
21:20:59 <kmc> although on some architectures, the TLB is the only mapping recognized by the hardware
21:21:38 <kmc> with such a 'soft-fill TLB' any TLB miss is a trap to the OS
21:21:45 <olsner> did they invent the TLB before caches were a thing?
21:21:55 <kmc> and the OS can walk page tables stored in whatever format it likes
21:22:01 <kmc> olsner: I wouldn't be surprised.  virtual memory is pretty old
21:22:46 <kmc> PPC i think has a weird compromise with a true TLB and a hash-table extended TLB that lives in main memory, but not an architecture-defined page table format
21:22:56 <kmc> also it has segmentation
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21:23:02 <kmc> but I don't know much about PPC systems programming
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21:28:21 <olsner> on VAX, a quarter of the virtual memory is "Reserved for Digital"
21:29:07 <kmc> heh, yeah
21:29:16 <olsner> if I make a computer I'm going to reserve a bunch of virtual memory for myself too
21:29:29 <kmc> on i386 Linux a quarter of the virtual memory is reserved for the Linux kernel
21:29:40 <kmc> and on x86_64 a full /half/ of the virtual memory!!
21:29:47 <Bike> D:
21:30:21 <olsner> kmc: note, on VAX that's not for the operating system, the operating system has a different quarter of virtual memory
21:30:25 <olsner> this one is just for digital
21:30:27 <kmc> heh
21:30:30 <kmc> what did they use it for
21:30:40 <Taneb> Digital, of course
21:30:43 <olsner> it's unused according to wikipedia
21:32:43 <kmc> lololol
21:32:52 <kmc> what's the pointer size on VAX?
21:33:21 <kmc> even on machines with little physical memory, it would be useful to memory map large files
21:33:31 <pikhq> 32 bit it looks like.
21:33:32 <kmc> and to space out thread stacks, and stuff like that
21:34:08 <pikhq> This at a time when 4 gigs was a lot.
21:34:22 <kmc> i think memory mapped files would be more popular if not for people staying on 32 bit architectures forever
21:34:34 <kmc> which is a shame because they save a lot of work for the applications programmer
21:34:38 <pikhq> Yes. It's really quite convenient.
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21:35:13 <kmc> at least we have shared executables and libraries
21:35:16 <pikhq> Particularly for certain screwier file formats, like ZIP.
21:35:21 <Bike> i can't help that i have a shitty 32bit computer ok
21:35:40 <pikhq> (where you need to seek to the end of the file and start scanning for the footer header.)
21:35:50 <pikhq> Bike: How old is said computer?
21:36:07 <Bike> I think I got it in like 2009.
21:36:17 <Bike> Wait, no, later, more like 2011
21:36:23 <olsner> they still made 32-bit computers in 2009??
21:36:35 <kmc> Atom and ARM systems are still 32 bit
21:36:36 <pikhq> olsner: Technically they still make 486s today.
21:36:38 <Bike> ¬_¬
21:36:41 <Bike> it's an atom netbook.
21:36:57 <pikhq> kmc: *Most* Atom systems are 64-bit now.
21:37:01 <kmc> oh, really
21:37:05 <kmc> did not know
21:37:26 <pikhq> Though when he bought that, it was only a single model of Atom that was 64-bit, so fair enough.
21:37:44 <kmc> the convenience I was thinking of is mainly that you can map a huge file, and the OS will keep as much of it as possible in physical memory, with intelligent replacement algorithms, and this caching is shared between processes, without the app needing to do anything
21:37:55 <Bike> also i pretty much just bought the cheapest thing i could find.
21:39:19 <pikhq> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186224
21:39:25 <elliott> more evidence that bikeologists = dum
21:40:00 <pikhq> That sucker is 64-bit.
21:40:00 <olsner> "Of the 512 million bytes which can be addressed, up to 2 million bytes may be connected"
21:40:07 <olsner> (VAX)
21:40:13 <Bike> Yeah, because I need a real high powered computer to get insulted on IRC.
21:40:23 <kmc> rhymes that blister like mersenne twister
21:40:29 <pikhq> That's not exactly high powered.
21:40:39 <pikhq> That's a cheap Atom board.
21:41:57 <Bike> sarcasm is wrt elliott, who is a huge jerkface, unlike yourself
21:42:41 <elliott> Bike: i am the best jerkface though, imo
21:42:51 <Bike> imo no
21:42:58 <elliott> imo, iyo yes
21:43:08 <shachaf> Bike: are you calling me a jerkface
21:43:18 <Bike> shachaf: imo iyo imo yes
21:43:53 <olsner> oh, elliott is making ys again
21:44:00 <olsner> copy-paste?
21:44:06 <elliott> ib'so
21:44:08 <shachaf> olsner: Another keyboard.
21:47:04 <kmc> elliott: congrats on your ys
21:47:15 <Taneb> Acronyms are a lossy compression format
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21:47:22 <kmc> eylliyott
21:47:36 <kmc> eeeeeeeels
21:48:10 <elliott> kmc: it's going to sink (geddit)
21:49:06 <elliott> c'mon work with me here
21:50:12 <kmc> don't get it
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21:52:20 <olsner> oh, neutrinos are written with ν, not v
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21:52:36 <kmc> nutrinos
21:52:49 <elliott> kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys, hth
21:53:01 <elliott> (i only know of it because of the album though, so my joke is morally bankrupt)
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21:53:32 <Bike> ys didn't sink, it was flooded
21:53:40 <Bike> joke failure
21:53:42 <elliott> fuck you Bike FUCK YOU
21:53:46 <elliott> get out. out!
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21:55:10 <elliott> it's so great now that Bike isn't here any more, imo
21:55:39 <Bike> !!!!!
21:55:50 <olsner> OOPS
21:56:02 <Bike> what a faux pas
21:56:44 <FreeFull> What happened to zs?
21:57:07 <FreeFull> Do you propose people use whys instead of ys
21:57:19 <FreeFull> And exes instead of xs
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22:06:29 <oceanhorse> James Kalenius
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22:06:56 <Bike> Can I help you
22:07:27 <elliott> what
22:07:34 <elliott> help??
22:07:48 <Bike> that's my name.
22:07:57 <elliott> are you suggesting that makes this make sense
22:08:07 <Bike> It could, if I make up enough shit.
22:08:14 <kmc> https://room208.org/wiki/ircbanned/characters/tzetze
22:09:16 <Bike> stalker desu ka
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22:12:27 <kmc> :'(
22:12:35 <kmc> i hva the googles
22:13:05 <elliott> kmc's going to be "a shachaf" when he grows up
22:13:45 <ThatOtherPerson> shachaf: Why does elliott keep comparing people to you?
22:13:48 <kmc> it's an shachaf
22:13:58 <Bike> because shachaf stalker desuuuuuu
22:13:59 <elliott> hey i've done that like twice in my life
22:14:18 <elliott> imo, everyone has the right to the opportunity to say things that don't make sense at least twice
22:15:22 <ThatOtherPerson> I bopped my code on the bimble, but the bimble won't be bopped!
22:15:50 <ThatOtherPerson> So I have the right to say that again?
22:16:10 <olsner> no, you have to say something else
22:16:22 <ThatOtherPerson> huh
22:16:35 <shachaf> ThatOtherPerson: I am the baseline.
22:16:49 <shachaf> The centre of elliott's existence, more or less. He can't help it.
22:17:00 <elliott> truly, shachaf is the centre of all our existences.
22:17:16 <ThatOtherPerson> shachaf: does that mean that it's a good thing when elliott called me "a veritable shachaf"?
22:17:20 <shachaf> i truely am
22:17:34 <shachaf> Oh.
22:17:37 <shachaf> No, not a good thing.
22:17:43 <ThatOtherPerson> XD
22:17:56 <Bike> Please watch the following video and report on its humor value: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVp2C8iVQvo
22:18:06 <kmc> also shachaf is younger than me…………
22:18:26 <elliott> kmc: uh if you believe the official story sure
22:18:28 <shachaf> im the center of elliott's existence like the devil is the center of christianity's existence??
22:18:46 <shachaf> i dont really know how christianity works
22:19:15 <elliott> Bike: this video is six minutes. no.
22:19:24 <Bike> frack you
22:20:00 <nooodl> xtranormal videos are kinda unwatchable
22:20:19 <Bike> yeah i have no idea why anybody makes them
22:20:20 <Phantom__Hoover> everything must be a video
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22:31:26 * ThatOtherPerson is not a video
22:31:29 <shachaf> Bike: i prefer to think of it as "rtfming" hth
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22:36:39 <Vorpal> a persistent /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules on a live usb distro has some interesting results. I got eth14 on this thing... (For the single ethernet adapter in *this* computer)
22:36:58 <kmc> haha
22:37:14 <kmc> yeah my friend had this bug where the number would increment every time he rebooted
22:37:29 <Vorpal> well it doesn't do that here, just when I use it in new computers
22:37:40 <Vorpal> how did the increment each reboot thing happen though?
22:38:05 <kmc> i don't know
22:38:12 <Vorpal> hm
22:39:25 <shachaf> I,I /etc/udev/rules.d/71-persistent-ned.rules
22:39:29 <kmc> it could have even been a hardware bug which reset the mac address
22:39:35 <kmc> but probably not
22:39:53 <Vorpal> kmc, the 70-persistent-cd.rules file is kind of silly too
22:40:21 <kmc> how so
22:40:54 <Vorpal> kmc, Only up to 13 there, think I used this live usb distro in a computer without a CD in the past.
22:41:29 <kmc> oh, i didn't know about persistent-cd
22:41:47 <kmc> what about hard drives? i guess you're supposed to use /dev/disk/by-uuid for that
22:41:50 <Vorpal> yeah it means that if you have multiple cd drives they will get the same name each time
22:42:18 <Vorpal> kmc, mhm. Have fun making that work
22:42:26 <Vorpal> at least if you are doing anything interesting
22:42:30 <Vorpal> like mdadm, or lvm
22:43:00 <Vorpal> (hd2)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD10EUCX-73YZ1Y0_WD-WCC0S0708059
22:43:00 <Vorpal> (hd0)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HDS721010CLA332_JP2930HQ13BPKH
22:43:00 <Vorpal> (hd1)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HDS721010CLA332_JP2930HQ13HAEH
22:43:00 <Vorpal> (hd3)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-Corsair_CSSD-F60GB2-A_11106513330004620012
22:43:03 <Vorpal> also that is annoying
22:43:28 <Vorpal> kmc, see the order there from device.map? The auto-detected grub disk ids were in order of the lines
22:43:34 <Vorpal> yeah, that didn't exactly work did it
22:43:51 <Vorpal> it is in order of Linux sda,sdb,...
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22:44:13 <Vorpal> which is as seen very different from the actual grub disk order
22:44:13 <shachaf> oerjan oerjan oerjan
22:45:02 <olsner> shachaf: hi
22:45:25 <shachaf> holsne -- wait a minute!
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22:52:40 <kmc> hi shachaf
22:52:55 <kmc> did you know that Oakland has been rated as the country's #1 "most exciting" city http://www.movoto.com/blog/top-ten/10-most-exciting-cities/
22:53:14 <shachaf> oh boy
22:53:19 <shachaf> is epa exciting
22:53:47 <kmc> well I saw an article about how the media have trouble covering crime in Oakland because while they're out on the street talking about crime, criminals will come up and steal their cameras and equipment
22:54:45 <Bike> nice
22:55:11 <shachaf> um but there's an accordion store in oakland
22:55:26 <Bike> a store specifically for accordions?
22:55:33 <kmc> also it's lacking fast food restaurants which is good because "a McDonald’s on every corner is about as exciting as a shot of warm milk before bed"
22:55:38 <Bike> "Source: Wikipedia."
22:55:40 <kmc> i bet a Whole Foods on every corner is fine though
22:55:42 <shachaf> hi HackEgo
22:55:43 <kmc> fucking bougie scum
22:55:47 <shachaf> `quote 42
22:55:49 <HackEgo> 42) <GregorR-L> If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ...  <GregorR-L> I'd call it jabbear.
22:55:52 <Bike> what's a bougie
22:56:00 <shachaf> `quote 48
22:56:02 <HackEgo> 48) <Madelon> yay fire!   * Madelon combusts spontaneously.
22:56:05 <shachaf> What was it?
22:56:15 <shachaf> Gregor: How many bass buttons do I need, again?
22:56:23 <Bike> `quote bass
22:56:24 <HackEgo> No output.
22:57:16 <shachaf> maybe kmc should move to oakland
22:57:29 <Bike> #occupykmc
22:57:48 <ThatOtherPerson> `pastequotes
22:57:53 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21447
22:58:07 <shachaf> `run paste quotes
22:58:08 <kmc> cockupy
22:58:09 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/quotes
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23:40:02 <kmc> https://twitter.com/googuns_staging 21st century equivalent of a numbers station
23:40:50 <pikhq> Hmm. The ending pattern there makes me curious.
23:41:10 <elliott> kmc: imo your googuns are insufficiently staged
23:41:13 <Bike> from Indonesia <-- what could it mean
23:41:29 <kmc> if the last 3 bytes are ever non-zero it means 24h until total nuclear war
23:41:38 <pikhq> Yeah, that's definitely number station-esque.
23:41:53 <kmc> i like the odd locations settings
23:42:09 <Bike> " from Mount Waddington, British Columbia" ?????
23:42:12 <kmc> it's probably a botnet C&C but who knows
23:42:18 <elliott> i don't think the locations are accurate.
23:42:19 <kmc>  from Svalbard, Svalbard og Jan Mayen
23:42:22 <elliott> probably it's stuffing more information in thee.
23:42:23 <elliott> there.
23:42:27 <Bike> indonesia's nuclear control botnet
23:42:41 <Bike> wow they're at five minute intervals. nice.
23:42:43 <elliott> like i just clicked one of them
23:42:49 <elliott> and it's in the middle of the ocean
23:43:02 <Bike> soeone should do an exhaustive study of the low end of twitter and find the interesting ones for me
23:43:20 <Bike> oh, you're right. noone actually lives in Sakha.
23:44:04 <kmc> mplayer http://ia700500.us.archive.org/12/items/ird059/tcp_d1_01_the_swedish_rhapsody_irdial.mp3
23:44:34 <elliott> imo no
23:44:37 <olsner> omg number stations
23:44:37 <pikhq> kmc: Even as a botnet thing, it's definitely a modern number station.
23:44:42 <pikhq> I love those things.
23:44:45 <kmc> in college we had big speakers out on the balcony and would blast numbers stations recordings at 2 AM
23:45:24 <kmc> our neighbors were rich fuckers who had the misfortune to live near a university
23:45:31 <pikhq> Friend of mine was a college radio DJ. She went and aired number station recordings for a couple of her turns on the station.
23:45:40 <kmc> we also shot fireworks at them... there was definitely a policy of deliberate antagonism
23:45:44 <kmc> pikhq: nice
23:46:15 <ThatOtherPerson> "from Svalbard og Jan Mayen, Norway"
23:46:16 <elliott> imo number stations = aliens
23:46:30 <pikhq> IMO elliott = alien
23:46:34 <ThatOtherPerson> And Hawaii
23:46:49 <pikhq> Hawai'i isn't alien, it's exotic.
23:47:18 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_6Kp7q5tbA
23:48:16 <kmc> hmm there is some structure here
23:48:55 <pikhq> Yeah. But then, number stations usually do.
23:48:57 <ThatOtherPerson> The account was created on 28 July, 2009
23:49:04 <kmc> http://www.theawl.com/2013/03/spy-twitter-is-weird-twitte
23:49:14 <pikhq> They're generally not *encrypted*, they merely have so little context that inferring the meaning is nontrivial.
23:49:30 <kmc> i thought they were generally encrypted with one-time pads
23:50:06 <pikhq> Depends on the length of the message.
23:50:16 <Bike> "Still, I prefer things to be weirder, so I kept looking for the portal to this alleged Weird Twitter and finally realized it was mostly stuff I already followed" i know that feel
23:50:45 <pikhq> The one I know was used for people escaping East Germany (this has been documented) more just gave numbers with a specified meaning out to certain individuals.
23:50:59 <olsner> how do you know so much about number stations/aliens? are you an alien?
23:51:12 <pikhq> That is, not really *encrypted*, but there's only so much you can get from so little information.
23:51:56 <Bike> http://s22.theawl.com/awl/up/2013/03/cia-twitter-2.jpg ok this. this is fantastic
23:52:23 <Bike> ahaha quoting nephi
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23:57:31 <Sgeo> AngularJS is pretty cool
23:57:42 <pikhq> What about it is cool?
23:57:44 <Sgeo> But still not as cool as continuations... I know these are orthogonal
23:58:04 <Sgeo> Page just matches Javascript object
23:58:34 <Sgeo> Incl. promises