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This was such dramatic evidence as to the nature of the Messenger, that Manoah feared for his life, as it has been said that no-one can live after seeing God; however, his wife soon convinced him that if God planned to slay them, he would never have revealed 05:43:04 wikipedia summaries of bible stories 05:43:07 ladies and gentlemen 05:43:53 so the secret to his strength is that he never cuts his hair 05:44:15 shachaf: should i get new glasses that aren't bent 05:44:22 before i 'interview' for 'jobs' 05:44:36 oh boy are you 'interviewing' for 'jobs' 05:44:42 is it in sf or elsewhere 05:44:49 don't know 05:45:04 do people pay attention to whether your glasses are bent 05:45:05 i haven't emailed people yet 05:45:10 maypbe they do!!!!!!! 05:45:12 * shachaf isn't an expert in all this interviewing business 05:45:18 That would be kinda funny, if you got interviews but they didn't tell you where the interviewers were. 05:45:54 i haven't started the process yet 05:45:55 anyway, delilah asks him "what's the secret of your strength" and he says "if you tie me up with so-and-so ropes, my strength will go away" 05:46:03 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 05:46:12 so she ties him up with so-and-so ropes 05:46:14 and it doesn't work 05:46:25 "delilah, you got some 'splainin' to do!" 05:46:34 then she asks him again, and he tells her, ok, you have to use such-and-such ropes, and she does that 05:46:36 and it doesn't work 05:46:57 then she keeps asking him and he says "if you tie my hair up in such-and-such way then my strength will go away" 05:47:01 and she does that, and it doesn't work 05:47:15 and then she asks him again and he tells her the truth?? 05:47:30 It's stories like that that make me wonder if whatshisname wasn't on to something about the old testament being written by pre-behaviorally-modern humans. 05:47:56 behaviorally-premodern. i got this. i'm a scientist 05:48:26 kmc: if your eyes are only medium-bad you could interview without glasses 05:49:26 wait, are glasses supposed to make you look smarter "important interview point" 05:49:49 maybe bent glasses make you look even smarter 05:50:18 kmc: where are you going to interview 05:50:56 Bike: What about that makes you think it's pre-modern? 05:51:17 pikhq: The way it's fucking stupid, basically. 05:51:21 shachaf: I think I will email Mozilla and also Matasano! 05:51:22 Ah. Right. 05:51:30 we will see if either thinks I am good enough for an 'interview' 05:51:52 (or, barely more seriously, it's very repetitive) 05:52:10 would be interested to hear about any other places in SF area to which I should apply 05:52:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:53:07 Well, if you're including Mountain View etc. then there are a bunch more places than just SF. 05:53:13 that's true 05:53:13 Though it should be said, it seems the Old Testament is in some way connected to the religions of nearby cultures... 05:53:23 i would really rather work in SF 05:53:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 05:53:28 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:53:33 but Matasano is in MV and sounds really cool¿ 05:53:39 There's nice bits like "hmm, all the pantheon shows up, some of them as names of YHWH." 05:53:43 -!- conehead has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:53:53 i was at the stripe office today for bacat. nelhage works there so it must be cool right?? 05:54:46 what's a bacat? also yes 05:54:54 bay area categories and types 05:55:22 ah 05:55:35 -!- conehead has joined. 05:55:36 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:58:22 yes maybe I should apply to Stripe 06:00:47 shachaf: twitter never answered me as to why they care if I like Firefly 06:01:04 Firefly? 06:01:42 Is this a "you must be similar to us to work here" sort of thing? 06:01:53 yep 06:01:54 Is it ok if you like "The Avengers" instead 06:02:32 yep https://twitter.com/jobs/positions?jvi=o0m7Wfw9,Job 06:03:00 Oh, *Linux Kernel Engineer*. That makes sense. 06:03:16 Every good Linux Kernel Engineer likes Firefly. 06:03:32 The secret is that to understand Linux's code well, you have to unravel the comments, which are a net of technological tidbits hidden within Firefly references. 06:03:38 see also http://depts.washington.edu/sibl/Publications/Cheryan,%20Plaut,%20Davies,%20&%20Steele%20(2009).pdf 06:03:41 is what I said to them. 06:03:48 FireFly: i think FireFlys are p. cool 06:05:00 kmc: You want us to read sixteen fucking pages to hire you?? think again bro!!!! 06:05:29 broseph 06:05:32 broseraphim 06:05:40 many-eyed broseraphim 06:05:59 OK, wait, hold on. 06:06:11 The university of BC has a "Department of Psychology and Computer Science"? 06:06:50 is this some AI thing.... 06:07:25 hey remember how slashdot had departments 06:07:49 δα 06:08:14 are you spelling russian words in greek alphabets don't do that hth 06:08:18 im don it 06:08:30 also i always read δ as l 06:08:35 por quoi 06:08:35 “Further investigation revealed that the stereotypical broadcast a masculine stereotype that discouraged women’s sense of ambient belonging and subsequent interest in the environment but had no similar effect on men.” 06:08:36 because it looks like the hebrew cursive l 06:08:39 Department of Redundancy Department 06:08:54 This conclusion is unexpected 06:08:58 hmmmmmmmm cursive hebrew is p. odd 06:09:07 i'm not sure if it's called cursive 06:09:10 i guess it is 06:09:12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursive_Hebrew 06:09:14 Hm, I guess it's part of the "Irving K. Barber School of Arts and Sciences" 06:09:21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hebrew_letter_Lamed_handwriting.svg 06:09:29 itt ambient belonging 06:09:40 which letter 06:09:46 לx → x + 1 06:09:52 lamed 06:09:56 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Warlord_era 06:09:59 o 06:11:06 i was wondering, if there is any language which uses a well-known alphabet but assigns completely different sounds to each letter 06:11:23 kmc: you're using it 06:11:30 :-) 06:11:47 :O 06:11:50 touché 06:11:52 > ':':repeat '-' 06:11:53 ":-------------------------------------------------------------------------... 06:11:53 You mean like, uses the Latin alpahbet but doesn't sound much like classical Latin? 06:12:05 ok point taken, nerds 06:12:09 Personally I'd look at well... anywhere in Asia. 06:12:13 I mean have you seen Japanese. 06:12:20 east asia, i should say 06:12:37 japan isn't in asia hth 06:14:00 kmc: Cherokee alphabet? 06:14:02 WU. AMERICA! 06:14:18 the cherokee alphabet is awesome and i will fight you if you disagree 06:14:48 Bike will fight you no matter what 06:14:49 I guess it's a good example of what kmc's thinking of though. 06:14:57 Since it was invented by an illiterate guy holy shit 06:15:01 yeah, okay, this is p. much the perfect example 06:15:06 of what I was thinking of though 06:15:10 "welp just gonna invent writing" 06:15:17 Bike: he became self-literate by self-designed script 06:15:18 awesome 06:15:21 swag overload 06:15:22 "don't worry i got this shit" 06:15:25 http://www.almightydad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/calvin-hobbes-bike-2.jpg 06:15:34 http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100805194802/candh/images/a/a2/Bike.gif 06:15:47 http://pacificpedaling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/calvinbike.gif 06:16:06 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JSU4o4C7xr8/Tb7N9dFaqqI/AAAAAAAACuY/9RHle8IXMcE/s1600/calvin-bike.jpg 06:16:15 itt bicycles are hard to lern? 06:16:36 that boy ain't got shit on me 06:16:49 well 06:16:59 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MTLuYsHo2uE/Rv7P4NFM9fI/AAAAAAAAAEA/KsTyY26-UDk/s400/calvin-bike1.jpg 06:17:04 simpler example would be Cyrillic script 06:17:10 OK Bike, listen up! I don't like you and you don't like me. 06:17:16 I don't know much about the history of Cyrillic. 06:17:27 Like I guess there was a Saint Cyril involved? ANd it's based on Byzantine Greek probably? 06:17:33 all this ethanol is affecting my brain 06:17:37 But I've got the tools to reduce you to a pile of pipes, sprockets, and ball bearings! Do we understand each other? 06:17:46 shachaf is the incredible machine 06:18:01 zomg the incredible machine 06:18:09 good game eh 06:18:22 shachaf: sounds like you need to download some slavic paleography texts from russian rapidshare!!!!! 06:19:02 omgggggggg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O 06:19:08 someone uploaded a better glyph 06:19:12 with 10 eyes 06:19:16 godspeed, someone. 06:19:18 take that, unicode consortium 06:19:25 fight the power. fight the consortium 06:19:37 12 codepoints guiltied to a zegnatronic rocket society 06:20:09 серафими многоꙮчитїи 06:20:42 itt kmc gets high and talks ortho 06:21:00 y 06:21:14 highgan 06:22:15 how drunk are you right now 06:22:26 several 06:22:35 wow 06:22:37 but not many? 06:22:42 'This work "opened the eyes of Belarusians to see themselves as a real nation" putting them (in the beginning of the 20th century) "unexpectedly at the head of all the Slavonic people in the scientific knowledge about their language"' 06:23:17 things I know about belaurs: probably fucked during WWII? 06:23:36 who wasn't 06:23:39 bela urs, Bike 06:23:45 answer: AMERICA!!!!! 06:24:20 america: showing up late to every war, taking credit 06:27:18 I'm not sure why we even joined WWI, it was pretty stupid 06:27:50 -!- santiago3444 has joined. 06:27:57 who, the US? 06:28:05 -!- santiago3444 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:28:10 British propaganda, in large part 06:28:29 maybe Wilson's grandiose visions to some extent 06:28:33 `? the us 06:28:47 Oh right, they were sinking passenger ships 06:28:48 hackego :'( 06:29:20 Yeah, the Lusitania was the direct cause. 06:29:28 What about the them 06:29:43 Jafet: HackEgo also has an entry for the THEM. 06:31:45 When it comes to stupid wars, WWI has to be one of the stupidest. 06:32:04 i dunno 06:32:11 falklands war 06:32:39 ThatOtherPerson: Siachen Glacier. 06:33:52 Everything about that area is pretty fantastically insane, really 06:33:57 it's amazing how many times india and pakistan have gone to war without whipping out the nukes 06:34:23 I think the secret is that even dumbassed hawks have to think "are we really gonna do it over a fucking glacier" 06:34:30 yeah 06:34:34 Yeah, but at least they actually had something that they disagreed about and decide to kill each other because of it 06:35:07 also you've reminded me of Shebaa farms 06:35:14 «The 1972 Simla Agreement did not clearly mention who controlled the glacier, merely stating that from the NJ9842 location the boundary would proceed "thence north to the glaciers." UN officials presumed there would be no dispute between India and Pakistan over such a cold and barren region.» 06:35:23 Instead of having nothing that they disagreed about and decide to kill each other because someone else killed someone else 06:35:24 Syria and Lebanon agree that it's part of Lebanon but Israel claims that it's part of Syria under military occupation 06:35:34 lol 06:35:51 ThatOtherPerson: well, treaties are important. and it had broader reasons than that. 06:36:01 "Their conclusion was based on the facts that: a) some area residents paid taxes to Lebanon" 06:36:03 Like "fucking slavs, die" for instance 06:36:04 in ottoman era 06:36:11 the most accurate records are the tax records 06:36:12 always 06:36:17 Bike: ah, good point 06:37:37 I mean, saying "haha, archduke, let's kill twenty million" is funny and all, but people aren't actually that silly, they have other reasons. 06:40:04 for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars wrt 'someone else killed someone else' 06:40:21 stalin smiles and churchill laughs, hitler claps mao tse tung on the back 06:40:25 If I recall correctly, the Balkan regions had been part of the Ottoman Empire, and had been wanting to be independent for years 06:40:41 And then Austria took control of them 06:40:47 Yes, the Ottoman empire was full of nationalists. 06:40:54 You can see the consequences today in the wonderful life of the Kurds 06:41:07 Which understandably upset them 06:42:37 how could ottoman empire even be nationalist 06:42:45 when it's full of all kinds of strange & wonderful places 06:42:54 I can understand that, it's just almost silly that the alliances blew up the conflict to such proportions 06:42:57 Full of nationalists as in full of nationalists for strange and wonderful places, not for the ottoman empire. 06:43:10 Or is that another song lyric 06:43:43 ThatOtherPerson: it's not like russia and germany didn't already want a go at one another, I mean. 06:44:06 Yeah, I know :/ 06:44:20 That probably accounts for most of the war 06:44:33 And stuff like that 06:44:59 If it makes you feel better, there were a couple wars in China that killed way more people that you've never heard of. 06:45:13 And deaths from disease in WWI outstripped deaths from combat anyway. 06:46:46 I'm not sure that makes me feel better :P 06:47:10 also there was an earthquake in china that killed 830,000 people in 1556 06:47:14 Taiping Rebellion is pretty crazy really. Dude was like "Hey, you know what? Jesus!" And then Jesus. Also a couple dozen million people died. 06:47:43 how do you even deal with such an event 06:47:46 as a civilization 06:47:49 Write Candide? 06:47:54 how do you not just conclude that god hates you 06:48:01 Oh, uh. Can't help you there. 06:48:01 hmmmmmm good idea 06:48:06 Since that's literally what Candide is about? 06:48:12 "Earthquake. Guess God hates us." 06:49:45 Part of the reason the driving here is so bad is because the people here say that they will die exactly when God wants them to die 06:49:57 I probably worded that poorly... 06:50:21 They have a word for it, "enshalah", which means "God willing" 06:50:26 and they really like that word 06:50:41 is it like 'allahu akbar' 06:50:51 because i watch a lot of syrian videos and i swear they use it even more than i cuss 06:51:43 My dad's argument against that is something like: "Well then, God must hate you, since you have a higher number of deaths from car accidents then nearly anywhere else" 06:52:56 Bike: they don't say "Allahu Akbar (God is greatest)" that much, except maybe in religious ceremonies 06:53:19 For example, you can hear them saying it during prayer call 06:53:45 I mean a lot of the time it's in a context where i'd say something insightful like "oh shit" or "haha fuck yes!" or "oh god, oh god i'm going to die", but it seems like more than that. 06:54:41 Bike: are said videos from religious leaders or highly religious people? 06:54:48 Nah. 06:55:06 huh 06:55:09 Most of the videos I watch are about killing tanks or getting bombed and stuff. 06:55:19 Oh right, highly religious 06:55:21 I mean, Syria's a different place from Saudi Arabia, obviously, I'm just wondering. 06:56:19 One of the things that result from forcing an entire country's population to belong to a religion is that most people aren't very religious 06:57:29 mm. 06:57:37 syria was socialist, i doubt they had that particular problem 06:58:53 ThatOtherPerson: They are religious to exactly the degree they're forced to, y'mean? :P 06:59:21 yep 07:06:55 ∞ 07:07:20 8 07:14:46 F♯A♯∞ 07:17:08 *ten minutes of guitar feedback and screaming* 07:34:41 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:36:32 -!- FreeFull has quit. 07:43:50 oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrows-Wheeler_Transform#Bijective_variant is really awful :'( 07:47:53 -!- Snowyowl has quit (Quit: Page closed). 07:54:56 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:56:28 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:58:35 -!- conehead has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:59:33 I think I have played more games over the last couple of days then I have ever played before in my life 07:59:49 s/games/computer games 08:04:14 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: history-didn't-hap-p-e-n). 08:10:52 shachaf: why 08:11:35 i don't know why 08:11:48 maybe the person who wrote it didn't care or didn't speak much english or who knows!!!!!! 08:22:59 I find the BWT a bit mysterious and magical 08:23:11 BWT? 08:23:18 ThatOtherPerson: you should play Agora 08:23:23 the burrows-wheeler transform 08:23:56 coppro: is that from ludum dare? 08:24:48 -!- btiffin has left. 08:26:50 ThatOtherPerson: no 08:27:29 ah, okay 08:27:35 I've been rating LD games 08:28:50 what is LD? 08:29:14 Ludum Dare 08:29:30 You have to make a game solo based on a theme in 48 hours 08:29:44 ah 08:29:48 Or with the relaxed rules, with a team in 72 hours 08:29:56 http://agoranomic.org/ 08:30:05 http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ 08:30:35 ah, it's based on nomic :D 08:30:50 I played that once with some people from another IRC channel 08:31:42 it is indeed a nomic 08:31:46 it's approaching its 20th birthday! 08:32:35 the rules are rather long... 08:35:48 yeah, so don't read them all 08:35:59 just subscribe to the mailing lists, try to follow along 08:38:14 -!- aloril has joined. 08:48:26 It was rather fun when I was in it. 08:49:35 pikhq: you should be in it more 08:50:23 Been dealing with personal shit. 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'/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 14:20:04 @ask NihilistDandy Wait, what was that about? 14:20:04 Consider it noted. 14:20:32 maybe it's in the missing logs 14:20:46 tunes knows 14:21:13 -!- boily has joined. 14:21:59 oerjan: Oh no! 14:22:07 elliott: hm no it doesn't. 14:22:08 Now you won't see the things I said to you while you were away. 14:22:23 oerjan: then nobody knows 14:22:29 shachaf: how terrible, also GET A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT 14:22:39 oerjan: I HAVE A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT hth 14:22:53 well YSE UT FOR EDITNING 14:23:00 Hmm, do I? 14:23:12 * oerjan thinks that was better with the tyos 14:24:33 ugh now 49 isn't deleted, i bet <-- IT SHOULDN'T BE IT DIDN'T COME FROM A PROPER BATCH hth 14:24:57 @tell mnoqy ugh now 49 isn't deleted, i bet <-- IT SHOULDN'T BE IT DIDN'T COME FROM A PROPER BATCH hth 14:24:57 Consider it noted. 14:25:16 49? 14:25:20 what's 49? 14:25:37 the last quote deleted before the bots croaked hth 14:26:33 oerjan: what if i just promise to mentally append hth to everything you say 14:26:51 that would be awfully redundant hth 14:27:02 * oerjan runs away hth 14:27:13 oerjan: then you could stop appending hth to everything you say hth 14:27:47 itt we aren't afraid of little acronyms afaik hth 14:29:16 The Heavy Transport Helicopter (HTH) is a program study into the European Heavy Lift Helicopter Program by Eurocopter. 14:35:12 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 14:44:49 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130502-fungotg.flac that time of the day again 14:44:49 fizzie: you! take! we find! just like crono! you had me so long to return to your era. 14:50:09 -!- boily1 has joined. 14:51:50 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:52:01 -!- boily1 has changed nick to boily. 14:52:37 http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/05/02/Saudi-Arabia-says-five-dead-from-new-SARS-like-virus.html <-- well that is slightly disturbing ._. 14:53:41 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22378541 14:54:36 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:55:24 I'm worried now. 14:57:09 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 15:00:49 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 15:02:36 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Disconnected by services). 15:02:40 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 15:11:34 EΨ = ĤΨ 15:14:45 -!- Jafet has joined. 15:23:26 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:29:46 -!- boily has joined. 15:38:56 -!- Bike has joined. 15:51:36 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:58:56 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:00:34 Hey Taneb! 16:00:38 Hi! 16:00:47 What's up? 16:01:04 I haven't been doing much other than rating LD games. 16:03:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Coffee time). 16:04:38 oerjan: coffee is bad for you hth 16:06:18 shachaf: it is quit coffee time 16:06:31 quit so 16:08:51 Is programming almost exclusively in Haskell bad for you? 16:10:33 Well, programming languages with other programming styles than functional programming probably helps you think in different ways 16:10:51 And vice versa, which is why I need to start learning Haskell sooner or later :P 16:12:50 Haskell is good for your brains. 16:13:44 how so? 16:19:33 it liquefies them and induces categorical thinking. 16:35:07 -!- Snowyowl has quit (Quit: Page closed). 16:37:57 somehow I don't view liquefied brain as a good thing 16:43:31 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 16:44:57 -!- Tritonio__ has joined. 16:45:42 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:46:34 ThatOtherPerson: once you're used to the sloshing every time you move around, that's no worse than having solid brains. 16:46:55 besides, you can put goldfish in your skull when the content's been liquefied. 16:47:01 lots of nutrients. good for the fishes. 16:47:25 Of course, the brain is mainly liquid anyway, it's just that there's a little bit of lipids and whatnot holding it all in place. 16:52:41 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:53:16 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 16:59:30 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:03:40 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:04:41 I asked Taneb to prove that he is not Notch. 17:04:47 He hasn't been able to yet. 17:05:01 Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. 17:10:18 -!- conehead has joined. 17:11:10 -!- conehead has quit (Client Quit). 17:11:23 -!- conehead has joined. 17:14:35 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:15:00 Taneb and Notch. Both have an "n". QED. 17:25:30 and also have a "t". 17:25:33 -!- Tritonio__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:31:07 -!- lambdabot has joined. 17:44:30 -!- Taneb has joined. 17:52:41 -!- Lymia has joined. 18:08:53 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:10:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:12:40 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:13:19 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 18:13:19 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:16:08 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:17:18 -!- Tritonio has joined. 18:17:45 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 18:20:47 @tell oerjan Wolfram's Turing machine numbering was what that was about. 18:20:47 Consider it noted. 18:21:11 fizzie: Half-Life 3 Confirmed 18:21:11 NihilistDandy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 18:22:29 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 18:24:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:24:45 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:24:47 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:25:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 18:25:29 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:29:20 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:29:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:30:04 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 18:30:04 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:30:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:33:14 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:38:59 DO ANY AIRLINES PROVIDE IN-FLIGHT INTERNET 18:39:16 me 18:39:26 Are you an airline 18:39:30 Taneb: Um, yes. 18:39:34 Usually for a fee. 18:39:49 Gregor: can you give me an example of airline/price? 18:39:51 See http://www.gogoair.com/ 18:40:00 any airline/ridiculously expensive 18:40:03 (I don't know of any other "brand", Gogo seems to be on plenty of my flights) 18:41:37 Norwegian has their own in-flight wifi on their flights. 18:42:21 http://www.norwegian.com/uk/travel-information/travel-services/wifi/ 18:42:34 Doesn't mention prices. Possibly the reservation system has them. 18:42:49 -!- martin__ has joined. 18:43:04 Thanks, guys 18:43:05 Possibly it's even without an extra fee, who knows. 18:43:12 You have satisfied my brother's curiosity 18:43:38 I hear Finnair is piloting the service at the moment, but they haven't rolled it out yet. 18:44:18 ("Finnair started testing on Wednesday, using wireless internet and tablet computers onboard one of its intercontinental Airbus A330 aeroplanes. The two-month trial will also examine how passengers use tablets during the flight.") 18:44:22 -!- carado has joined. 18:44:43 (Wednesday == March 20th.) 18:44:45 oh 18:44:47 It says it's free. 18:44:49 No Norwegian's site 18:45:19 sometimes you can use it for free with iodine 18:46:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:47:15 Lumpio-: On the other hand, I think Norwegian charges separately for all food, soft drinks, and everything else. (Except possibly water, I think.) 18:47:43 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:49:48 On US-based airlines the norm is free soda or coffee and nothing else. 18:50:09 Food is almost never free, except maybe a bag of nuts or pretzels if you're lucky. 18:50:28 you still get free food on long international flights 18:50:32 but yeah 18:50:44 Yes, 'struth. 18:51:14 Finnair charges for... strong alcoholic drinks, I think. But the free food offerings have been scaled down for shorter flights. 18:51:26 There's also a difference between charter flights and scheduled flights. 18:51:49 i took like a one hour flight from LHR to AMS on KLM and got a baguette with cheese! 18:51:52 but then they lost my bags. 18:52:02 bags > baguettes 18:52:13 also that was in 2007 18:52:20 long long ago 18:52:33 I got a bag of nuts and a glass of apple juice on the Seattle-Portland flight. And they also lost (well, didn't manage to get it on the plane in time, actually) my bags. 18:52:38 Bags > nuts, I suppose. 18:52:50 Though they came just an hour later on the next flight, so maybe it doesn't quite count as "lost". 18:53:29 yeah mine came the next day 18:53:53 (The AMS-SEA flight was a bit late, so I had to run to catch the plane myself. Seattle airport was kind of moderately-biggish and slightly confusing.) 18:54:43 In all my many flights, my bags have never been lost or misplaced. 18:54:54 But then, I live a blessed life. 18:55:11 Gregor: you are voiced. of course your life is blessed. 18:55:12 Also the SEA-PDX leg was an Alaska Airlines flight, and something like 45 or 50 minutes. It was kind of silly. 18:55:50 fizzie: I not-infrequently have to take an ORD->IND flight as the last leg of travel. I live between the two airports. 18:56:27 Gregor: Can't you jump out of the plane midway there? 18:58:17 I could, but I doubt they'd redirect my bags. 18:58:44 You can first drop them off with their own little parachutes. 18:59:04 I'd have to break into the cargo compartment to do that tho. 19:00:41 can you access the cargo from the passengers' cabin? 19:00:50 no 19:01:16 Gregor would have to break through the floor 19:01:16 meh. 19:01:52 Today I realised that my normal speaking voice is actually higher than my natural speaking voice 19:02:01 I'm really excited all the time 19:06:25 -!- martin__ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 19:08:11 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 19:18:03 I used to be excited all the time 19:24:58 Then you took lethargy to the knee? 19:26:33 fuck you Gregor 19:27:55 -!- quintopia has joined. 19:27:55 8-D 19:32:17 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:36:18 hi Gregor 19:36:54 should i make a very narrow penis shaped thing back at you? 19:38:01 Always. 19:38:07 8--D 19:38:11 it's not a penis, it's a skeleton with breasts 19:38:15 mine is longer you see 19:39:29 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 19:40:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:40:56 88----DD. 19:42:23 hi boily 19:43:05 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:43:06 i see that you've punctuated your doubling of the last shape i made 19:45:34 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:46:40 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:51:33 quintopia: hi quintopia.. 19:52:05 yeah. it's become a reflex to punctuate everything. 19:55:02 KABOOM 19:55:02 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 19:55:27 i need another version of screen 19:58:21 what's your version? 19:59:13 The kind with the light that goes in computers or the kind that keeps mosquitoes out? 19:59:47 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 20:00:11 Be all different, go with tmux. 20:00:13 jw4??? 20:00:24 do you have a better version boily 20:00:26 fizzie: never managed to get tmux configured as I like. 20:00:36 I have the very same version of screen. 20:00:49 quintopia: I have 4.00.03, without that mysterious jw4. 20:01:12 fizzie: groups are broken in this version 20:01:20 where fixed version at? 20:01:37 "Support non-BMP utf8 characters": latest commit message from screen.git 20:01:42 How fancy. 20:02:03 screen has a git? 20:02:11 Sure. 20:02:15 http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/screen.git 20:02:23 Lots of GNU things have gits there. 20:02:35 * quintopia clones 20:03:08 It's not a terribly active git, it seems. 20:05:45 fizzie: woah 20:06:04 of course 20:06:13 it doesn't even build 20:07:03 -!- ogrom has joined. 20:09:54 the 0.12 tournament is coming up soon! I wonder if I'll get a win during it. 20:10:35 boily: yo i just switched to #esoteric from ##crawl and you confused the fuck out of me 20:10:38 pls refrain 20:11:22 elliott: MWAH AH AH AH AH AH! 20:12:39 ThatOtherPerson: a veritable shachaf eh 20:12:54 hi elliott 20:12:55 A shachaf eh? 20:13:00 hmc 20:13:06 sh∀chaf 20:13:13 20:15:30 a Canadian shachaf, eh? 20:16:21 Oh, it's a roguelike 20:16:22 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:17:30 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:17:48 elliott: I believe ThatOtherPerson found this channel because I mentioned it elsewhere 20:18:10 That is correct. 20:18:12 so if i mention #2,000 will he join it 20:18:30 channels can have commas in their names? 20:18:38 yep 20:18:41 elliott: commas are not allowed in channel names 20:18:52 freenode doesn't follow the standard, try it 20:18:52 So #2,000 is redirected to #2 20:19:01 hey don't take my word for it, try /j #2,000 20:19:04 shrug 20:19:05 I did. 20:19:13 hmm your client sucks 20:19:21 if it sends JOIN #2,000 it parts every channel 20:19:27 Ah, that's probably it. 20:19:36 if I /join 2,000, I end up in 2 and 000. 20:19:53 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 20:20:09 -!- boily has joined. 20:20:31 /quit is not the same as /close. /quit is not the same as /close. 20:20:33 bye boily. hi boily. 20:20:41 boily hoily 20:20:50 good one 20:20:55 thelliott 20:21:03 ywmc 20:21:09 it's fun to stay at the y w m c 20:21:18 elliott: Well, in general, if someone mentions a channel, I'll join it because I am curious and want to know everything. 20:21:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 20:21:39 #ubuntu 20:22:17 #myhovercraftisfullofeels 20:22:17 ##animalsex 20:22:21 Eh, I already know about ubuntu 20:22:46 ##howtodisposeofcorpses 20:22:58 ##illegalfirearms 20:22:59 OKAY MAYBE NOT EVERY CHANNEL 20:23:05 #php 20:23:07 just ones that sound interesting 20:23:12 #php was my next thought 20:23:13 (the joke is that PHP is worse than all of those things) 20:23:19 #php does not sound interesting 20:23:33 i bet #php is an experience 20:23:36 some channels freenode specifically directs you to a channel saying that they don't have a channel for that and you must be kidding 20:23:36 i'm going to join #php now 20:23:41 p. good 20:23:47 kmc: it used to be pretty bad 20:23:50 probably it's worse now 20:23:53 if I'm not heard from in 24 hours, call the national guard 20:23:54 send updates please 20:23:59 in forms of pasting a lot 20:24:20 la php no es buena para su salud 20:24:48 * ThatOtherPerson considers registering #myhovercraftisfullofeels 20:24:56 elliott: so like #childpron gets redirected i guess? 20:25:02 ##myhovercraftisfulloffeels 20:25:20 quintopia: #gnaa does, dunno about any others 20:25:25 Phantom__Hoover: i had feels once 20:25:28 lolol 20:25:29 it was awful 20:26:10 ##animalsex // Too bad the animal sex lobby couldn't register an /official/ channel on Freenode? 20:26:34 i clearly missed something 20:26:35 it's actually just about animals having sex with each other 20:26:57 like they do on the discovery channel 20:27:12 a fascinating topic really 20:27:13 sexing animals can be quite difficult 20:27:16 especially fowl 20:27:22 i have a book on the subject 20:27:23 like, bone worms? them's some wacky shit. 20:27:25 very technical 20:27:32 my girlfriend has a book on sexual reproduction in higher fungi 20:27:35 it's v. strange 20:28:00 also there are mushrooms growing in my front yard today 20:28:05 kmc: she bought it to improve your sex life BURRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN 20:28:06 ahem 20:28:08 not sure which kind, probably not edible 20:28:08 carry on 20:28:09 http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-explains-how-they-get-all-those-cars-on-the,32288/ good president 20:28:19 kmc: what makes a fungus higher? 20:28:27 every time kmc says something there's a little thread in my brain that tries to work out how to turn it into a burn 20:28:30 also yes fungus sex is pretty wack 20:28:35 when i die it will be the last part to go out 20:28:58 I didn't realize that fungi reproduced sexually. 20:29:01 i'm not sure my favorite fungi spore thing is the guns, or the soccer balls 20:29:14 Gregor: it's not universal 20:29:15 Bike: i think it means, like, macroscopic structured things rather than yeast and molds 20:29:18 i'm not sure 20:29:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikarya gives a somewhat different definition 20:29:25 oh 20:29:33 interesting fungi 20:29:39 yeast and molds are interesting!!! 20:29:41 well, i guess slime molds are interesting too 20:29:45 ok kmc's new tactic of ignoring my burns is upsettingly effective 20:29:47 might have to retire 20:29:51 slime molds aren't fungi 20:29:55 yes 20:29:58 but they are awesome 20:30:01 Bike: I didn't realize that ANY fungi reproduced sexually. 20:30:02 yeah 20:30:07 they can design road networks 20:30:07 I thought that was a plants-and-animals thing. 20:30:20 Gregor: let me tell you about horizontal gene transfer!!! 20:30:35 HELP #ESOTERIC BECAME ABOUT BIOLOGY WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING 20:30:44 my influence is insidious and perfect 20:30:54 also you... were looking, this entire time 20:30:57 "Male Osedax are microscopic dwarfs that live as "harems" inside the lumen of the gelatinous tube that surrounds each female. An individual female can house hundreds of these males in her tube." there's a joke here but i can't quite see it 20:31:01 unless you were typing all those burns without reading the screen? 20:31:05 elliott: try to wrap your mind around plant reproduction 20:31:06 yes 20:31:07 that's my tech 20:31:11 like, "well, i bet kmc said something about fungi" 20:31:14 yes 20:31:17 "it's that time of the day" 20:31:20 It is so much more complicated than I thought it was 20:31:21 "better insult him" 20:31:22 i am "next level" like that 20:31:45 Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mating_in_fungi please it incorporate in sexual escapades 20:31:48 Gregor: most mushrooms produce spores which grow haploid organisms, and when two sexually compatible ones meet, they merge and the cell nuclei actually move around and you end up with cells that have two nuclei (!!) 20:31:56 and then that can produce a fruiting body 20:32:09 is there anything greater than !s in parentheses 20:32:10 imo no 20:32:11 Cool. 20:32:19 > 4 (!) 5 20:32:22 Ambiguous type variable `i0' in the constraint: 20:32:22 (GHC.Arr.Ix i0) arising ... 20:32:23 elliott: want to talk about not-biology 20:32:25 NO BIKE 20:32:30 And us higher mammals just go sticking our penises places. 20:32:30 > (!!) "goats" 3 20:32:32 't' 20:32:33 NO TANEB except maybe taneb 20:32:33 How uncouth. 20:32:36 wow that was terrible for three or four reasons 20:32:44 all I want to talk about these days is dependent types I think 20:32:47 not much else is interesting 20:33:04 Can you explain dependent types to me! 20:33:05 oh i like that onion article re: whoever linked it, i just scrolled up and it's Bike 20:33:07 you should write a really fucking stupid paper about how dependent types are relevant to what you imagine biology is 20:33:17 actually i scrolled up and noticed it was bike before I typed "whoever linked it" 20:33:22 cross-disciplinary work is all the rage 20:33:22 but I had already decided to type that 20:33:23 so I did 20:33:36 Are they anything to do with type dependencies 20:33:38 good to stick to your "whoever linked it"-related guns 20:33:54 when a type and a natural love each other very much.... 20:34:27 Taneb: what is a type dependency 20:34:35 I think I made them up 20:34:51 Some combination of functional dependencies and type families maybe 20:35:01 they don't have to be natural, but you start with the basics and then move up to the kinkiness 20:35:54 Bike: have you fucking learned haskell yet, imo 20:36:06 in... your opinion? 20:36:10 yes 20:36:48 In your opinion have I learnt Haskell 20:36:50 so you're asking, "Have you fucking learned haskell yet, in my opinion?" 20:37:12 in which case i must answer negatively, because I don't think my haskell would ever be good enough for your fuckingn high standards. 20:37:16 stop playing games and answer my question 20:37:21 you cant avoid my judgement 20:37:24 ##php really annoys me for some reason 20:37:30 no i'm seriously confused here 20:37:39 i mean like, i know basic haskell, i read lyah and stuff 20:37:40 no you're not, imo 20:37:45 but is that good enough?? 20:37:53 how many programs have you written in haskell Bike!!! 20:38:15 probably like, one 20:38:28 haha 20:38:39 That's like maybe a twelth of the number of haskell programs I've written 20:38:52 i am a month to taneb's year 20:39:01 is that "good enough" for "elliott""?" 20:39:28 a moth to Taneb's flame 20:39:41 anyway write some more you asshole 20:39:42 or like 20:39:49 ask and/or answer haskell questions on stack overflow 20:39:54 something that shows me you're a haskell user 20:39:59 something i can rely on 20:40:04 i don't ask for much 20:40:18 why is this important 20:40:23 i don't even have a stack overflow account? 20:40:36 yeah you already told me you're underachieving, no need to repeat yourself 20:40:59 i'm disappointed in you Bike but i feel that you could get better 20:41:05 underachieving is great, leaves you lots of room to improve 20:41:07 you just need to show me what you're made of 20:41:34 mostly aluminum i think 20:41:48 make that aluminium and haskell 20:41:51 P.R.O.N.T.O. 20:42:08 i heard haskell was made by mathematicians 20:42:08 *aluminum 20:42:09 (please remember only nightly toil oxidates) 20:42:13 and math is the language of the universe 20:42:19 so really aren't we all haskell 20:42:21 i heard you need to shut up and get coding 20:42:27 hey how about write a patch for lens 20:42:28 elliott management techniques 20:42:29 that's a good thing to do 20:42:32 have you read typeclassopedia 20:42:34 yo have to do that 20:43:15 dude it's boring 20:43:30 fuck you 20:43:32 you know what's boring 20:43:32 ThatOtherPerson: I think "aluminum" was originally a typo, just one that caught on in the US 20:43:33 lisp 20:43:39 lisp 20:43:47 literally anything anyone has ever said about lisp 20:43:53 does it hurt Bike 20:43:53 does it sting 20:44:09 generally this works easier if you cry btw 20:44:11 no i mean like 20:44:13 i get moods man 20:44:25 right now i'm in a mood for pre-communist chinese history 20:44:28 how do i use haskell for that 20:44:38 consider the plight of the chinese people who did not even know haskell 20:44:43 strive to not be like them 20:44:46 strive to teach EVERY chinese person haskell 20:44:48 for a better world 20:44:51 step 1. become a haskell expert 20:44:53 BAMMMMM 20:44:59 why is haskell important 20:45:03 why do you care, why do i have to care 20:45:23 because Real Programmers know haskell, duh 20:45:53 i'm not even a programmer i'm just a guy who programs and has been scared the fuck out of the information industry by eerybody in it 20:46:03 :( 20:46:04 Taneb: incorrect 20:46:06 what about us 20:46:12 * kmc hopes he isn't scary 20:46:17 Taneb: "Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812." 20:46:19 Real programmers know all programming languages 20:46:37 i don't mean that you're scary 20:46:41 right now i'm in a mood for pre-communist chinese history 20:46:41 i mean you say "this fucking sucks" a lot 20:46:48 that's qute a big category Bike 20:46:52 it is 20:46:59 Taneb: "Why are there two names? Sir Humphry Davy proposed the name aluminum, back before the element was officially discovered. However, the name 'aluminium' was adopted to conform with the -ium names of most other elements. In 1925, the American Chemical Society decided to go back to the original aluminum" 20:47:00 well, i guess mostly the qing dynasty 20:47:01 and so on 20:47:07 "only a few centuries" 20:47:09 i complain about the culture of the loudest / most obnoxious parts of the industry 20:47:18 but i've actually had pretty good luck avoiding that in my personal employment history 20:47:19 well yeah 20:47:25 it can be done 20:47:26 i mean fiora has a cool job too 20:47:28 Bike: i care because you do 20:47:32 if you are good enough to be picky about where you work 20:47:32 but those loud parts man, those loud parts 20:47:34 yeah 20:47:35 i... don't care? 20:47:43 Bike: can't get in the way of my ref sry 20:47:48 anyway you care because i told you to 20:47:57 fight the power 20:48:00 i felt bad working at a web startup just by association with the web startup industry 20:48:02 snobol 5 ever 20:48:05 the power uses c Bike 20:48:19 there can be multiple powers! 20:48:38 you don't have any power 20:48:53 kraftwerk 20:49:01 exactly 20:49:05 that's why i'm fighting the powers 20:49:10 how does it feel to be The Man elliott 20:49:20 imo you're The Bike 20:49:58 What if all this time Bike has actually been my bike in my garage? 20:50:09 And somehow he connected to my wifi? 20:50:36 i'm a wardriver 20:50:37 warbiker? 20:50:45 i used to be a warschoolbusrider 20:50:53 metal 20:51:04 Or maybe all the bikes in the world are merely manifestations of the being which we call Bike 20:51:19 with my sharp zaurus and my Compact Flash wifi card 20:53:32 maybe there is only one Bike travelling forward and backward through time 20:53:51 the one-bike universe theory 20:54:14 Phantom__Hoover: http://25.media.tumblr.com/423658df012fb92564d411284b349e6e/tumblr_mlz3fgpiIS1rdbszlo1_1280.jpg 20:54:28 kmc, what was the antenna quality on that? 20:55:21 dunno 20:55:25 'some' 20:55:27 kmc, I would imagine a modern phone with 11n would work better, it could cover more frequencies for a start. 20:55:34 yeah 20:55:43 this was 802.11b only 20:56:00 g was fancy high tech at this point in time 20:56:04 did you have to reconnect like everyfive seconds 20:56:15 kmc, Btw, I noticed that several quite recent devices that *can* do more than 54 mbps (thus more than 11g) can still not detect my 5 GHz network. 20:56:17 strange 20:56:33 yeah I think there's 2.4 GHZ-only n hardware 20:56:35 is supporting the 5 GHz band optional or something? 20:56:38 -!- oklopol has joined. 20:56:43 kmc, that is pretty stupid 20:56:49 it's cheaper I guess? 20:56:55 my laptop and my phone can both do 5 GHz though 20:59:02 hm, I'm so used to 60 Hz on my phone now that I just can't stand old pre-4.1 Android devices any more. 20:59:32 Had to deal with one yesterday, it was a nightmare. 21:00:13 what, refresh rate? 21:00:36 yes 21:01:09 Bike, Android 4.1 and later uses vsync at 60 Hz throughout the system, including for input reading 21:01:27 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 21:01:28 this makes the experience much more smooth. 21:01:47 After getting used to it, dealing with devices from before that time is just annoying 21:02:13 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 21:02:46 Oh, dropbox added two step auth now 21:02:48 that is new 21:02:57 You can even use the google app for it 21:04:52 -!- augur has joined. 21:06:58 Bike: have I ever ridden you before? 21:07:08 do you expect me to answer that in public 21:07:29 No 21:09:43 My plans to finally watch Supernatural have been scuppered by slow internet speeds 21:10:50 what kind of euphemisms do bikes use for sex 21:11:38 bikes don't have sex.......... 21:11:58 how do you reproduce 21:12:12 how do you think? we get built obviously 21:12:41 It's kind of like in that movie 21:15:43 Good night! 21:16:04 Night, ThatOtherPerson 21:16:07 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:22:40 -!- hagb4rd2 has joined. 21:23:58 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:27:01 Is there a way to sort of transfer a half-finished torrent to another computer 21:27:01 Like, "this computer should do this torrent for a bit" 21:27:09 "and then send everything back to that computer when that computer gets turned on again in the morning" 21:30:54 rtorrent does a hash check on files, then continues where it was left off, so you could do that, yes. 21:31:17 boily: could I do it via ssh with transmission-bt? 21:35:22 eeeeh, maybe. haven't used transmission that much, and always locally. 21:37:18 Taneb, why not let it run on one computer? 21:37:30 Vorpal: I have to turn this computer off in a bit 21:37:53 Taneb, presumably you would be able to sync using bittorrent though, that is what the protocol is for 21:38:06 a giant distributed file syncing protocol. 21:38:26 hm, I think there are some torrent clients that will pull chunks preferentially from local network machines 21:38:38 so maybe it would be good enough to just run the client on both machines simultaneously :) 21:38:43 ktorrent can do that iirc 21:40:05 I personally use rtorrent these days though 21:41:09 arrrrrrrrrtorrent 21:44:45 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 21:46:18 -!- hagb4rd2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:47:57 I have a really cool system for turning my computer on remotely 21:48:20 It's called "message my brother on Facebook and ask him nicely" 21:51:01 positively domotic. 22:01:30 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:02:07 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 22:06:02 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:57:43 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 23:00:44 ##php failed to provide any epic lulz (i think that's what the kids call it these days) 23:06:06 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:10:59 pity 23:11:09 what if you troll them 23:11:27 ask them if they have a problem, I hear this is an effective way to troll anybody!!! 23:12:39 elliott, do you have any problems 23:12:52 Phantom___Hoover: are you mad 23:13:27 i am already annoyed 23:13:43 sounds like you have a problem 23:13:58 ?detartsurf uoy era 23:13:58 Unknown command, try @list 23:16:07 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 23:16:46 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 23:16:46 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 23:17:11 now elliott has two problems 23:19:30 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 23:24:52 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 23:29:25 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:30:19 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 23:53:34 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).