< 1367193817 634924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1367193825 114769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Cookies: is < 1367193827 494453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a header < 1367193834 726075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Set-Cookies: < 1367193900 966694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf http://i.imgur.com/crossdomain.xml < 1367193914 417387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/crossdomain.xml < 1367194041 255365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1367194081 415017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get pickles in your cookies < 1367194087 154991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :websec / cooking advice < 1367194158 665611 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure someone enjoys pickle cookies < 1367194174 344951 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone you don't want doing your websec < 1367194600 535855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tables do not work well in epub < 1367194607 255060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, the ones in this book don't :( < 1367194950 485230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to make chicken cookies < 1367195052 146524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367195146 492260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367195276 455577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to make chicken cookies in this country, now we just have our hand in the next guy's pocket < 1367195528 625698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367195666 145236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1367195699 361844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367196283 97235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1367196756 946893 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@athedsl-21678.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367196848 424768 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@athedsl-21678.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367196885 921573 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@athedsl-21678.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367196947 56490 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@athedsl-21678.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367197137 957544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367197432 826517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has some neat higher order functional stuff, even if they avoid the label < 1367197435 937425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://docs.python.org/2/library/contextlib.html#contextlib.contextmanager < 1367197450 806614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns a coroutine that yields once into an exception safe resource scoping thing < 1367197517 245066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. What's that page that demonstrated a Javascriptless chat room using a gif? < 1367197627 486523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i've realized I'm using it wrong, sigh < 1367197640 536568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://github.com/videlalvaro/gifsockets ? < 1367197768 236738 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: [shachaf's up-hand character] < 1367197797 710289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1367197844 667858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it would leave a connection to a gif open and the 'gif' would get a new frame when someone entered a line < 1367197872 436814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«to the anonymous person that submitted the fairly competent, seemingly unironic, furry digimon(?) inflation porn version of “Squirt Force”, as an obfuscated url, to our ask box, i have a couple questions» jerkcityhd is going well < 1367198032 166817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: pretty sure that's kmc's link < 1367198064 946854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1367198116 949746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc said shachaf though < 1367198129 343595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks link
< 1367198141 632557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what you meant by [shachaf's up-hand character] < 1367198152 415229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I meant "Sgeo:" whooops < 1367198154 356960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were saying embedding images into chat < 1367198172 887079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keys are practically right next to each other < 1367198198 847514 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ☝ < 1367198202 196937 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's the same. < 1367198206 425864 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is mysterious. < 1367198213 107604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have sworn that there was an old implementation < 1367198216 676913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere < 1367198231 357718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would imply not clojure < 1367198232 637196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a white one but not a black one, even though there are black ones for left and right... < 1367198248 718726 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds "racist" to Unicode complaints, realizes that was probably already there from Han unification or something
< 1367198349 328414 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1367198389 287037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1367198903 852998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367199156 650368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you could encode those scripts' characters with series of radicals or something (spoiler i don't know any chinese scripted languages) < 1367199300 587323 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Though not done, this would be entirely practical. < 1367199368 407644 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, both the major non-unicode representations of chinese (big5 and guobiao) seem to just use characters the same way < 1367199378 958453 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1367199412 137463 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having that "if this was a workable idea someone would have tried it" thought < 1367199490 987396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any more reason to cater to NoScript people than no-cookie people? < 1367199491 739098 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely a workable idea. It's just that it's computationally intensive to compose characters that way. < 1367199515 979010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might go against the Unicode idea of what a "single character" is < 1367199520 88212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm still not super clear on < 1367199520 833712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared with just using a giant lookup table of codepoint to font. < 1367199531 408259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: U+261D hth < 1367199542 326271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝ < 1367199543 91274 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that's true, composition would be nasty < 1367199555 649003 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A Unicode "single character" is more-or-less an abstract notion of the glyph. < 1367199562 669833 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be composed with one or more codepoints. < 1367199563 297695 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :composition aka "something you have to do to actually display the characters" < 1367199572 107643 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1367199581 592487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1367199587 937418 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something you probably want to be simpleish for a usable system" < 1367199596 607978 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in terms of it being *able* to express Chinese characters, it's certainly workable. < 1367199607 858541 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's why Hangul has both precomposed characters and composable characters < 1367199612 669023 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, i see < 1367199616 184593 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the former called syllables, the latter called jamos) < 1367199624 298477 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: isn't hangul like, way more reasonable than han in a lot of ways < 1367199624 784489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367199644 219520 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correspondance between glyphs and sounds for instance < 1367199669 940366 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, Han ideographs also have Ideographic Description Sequence (IDS) for the composable characters, except that they are not normalizable at all < 1367199673 129311 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relevant bit here is that the composition rules for hangul are simpler and more regular. < 1367199700 12916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, thinking about languages makes me think about phylogeny < 1367199705 267819 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think there's actually *more* jamo than radicals? < 1367199707 470005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and phylogeny is just a stupid clusterfuck how appropriate < 1367199722 815045 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: conceptually no, practically yes. < 1367199747 464602 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm saying "practically" it refers how Hangul was implemented in Unicode < 1367199749 695869 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's only a few fixed ways that jamo combine into a single syllable block, making it a lot easier to do on a computer. < 1367199789 188769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are the precompose hangul blocks actually in unicode? < 1367199789 715653 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but when the character set was defined for the first time (around 1980) it was not practical at all < 1367199793 467726 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. < 1367199798 887977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1367199801 267949 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Both must be in Unicode for round-trip compatibility. < 1367199804 742597 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. U+AC00..D7AF I think? < 1367199804 959410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1367199816 208208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :round-trip compatibility is unfortunate < 1367199816 722513 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a fine chunk of BMP space actually) < 1367199830 467688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why do you need both exactly? < 1367199836 923716 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round trip through what? < 1367199840 281066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other encodings < 1367199844 638674 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Legacy Korean charsets had both. < 1367199845 108695 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUC-KR and ISO-2022-KR. < 1367199863 261353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rather onerous design goal of Unicode is that you can convert any encoding to it and back without losing information < 1367199866 468955 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is designed so that legacy charset -> Unicode -> same legacy charset doesn't change anything. < 1367199873 461860 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: one catch here is that legacy Korean charsets do *not* have composable characters at all < 1367199879 170579 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You couldn't roundtrip other encoding's precomposed char -> sequence of jamo -> recomposed char? < 1367199882 681364 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Oh. Sigh. < 1367199921 909091 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367199929 538032 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are designed for the two-byte-sequence-fill-two-column terminals < 1367199966 476693 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even do not cover every modern Hangul syllable either < 1367199966 683392 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes, that particular oddity of legacy CJK encodings. < 1367199971 977341 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2350 out of 11172 to be exact) < 1367200005 937679 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and MS decided to add remaining 8822 of them in the way incompatible to EUC for just that reason < 1367200018 512545 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more standard-ish way involves 3-byte sequences) < 1367200052 25702 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is more like a historic and political issue < 1367200057 648975 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I consider borked up < 1367200062 630610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1367200070 908180 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character encoding is freaking complicated. < 1367200080 377643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :praise God who sent His prophet Ken Thompson to bring us the good word of UTF-8 < 1367200101 560303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367200117 249772 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@athedsl-21678.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367200124 372269 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time there was Plan 9 (from whatever) < 1367200129 883827 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i should organize a committee of ROC and PRC reps to work out how chinese will work for once and for all. the resulting violent collapse of civilization will leave all character encoding problems solved by default < 1367200132 67114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Happy UTF-8 Appreciation Day everyone! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1367200140 48662 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@athedsl-21678.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367200158 477190 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367200161 528143 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Happy UTF-8 Appreciation Day everyone!" < 1367200162 981632 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Happy UTF-8 Appreciation Day everyone!" < 1367200169 698167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting homograph attacks. < 1367200170 698672 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367200173 488807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1367200181 160360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one thing to appreciate is that it's a superset of ASCII :) < 1367200187 99281 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there are Chinese characters for every discovered atomic elements < 1367200189 889470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hooray" < 1367200196 235666 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't be ;) < 1367200197 58577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This has resulted in a substantial number of web application vulnerabilities, but to this day, Internet Explorer developers seem to have no regrets and have not changed the default behavior of their code." < 1367200205 739133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#yolo < 1367200218 678720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About content-sniffing HTML when being told it's a text/plain) < 1367200256 498126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong and Macau also use a different character encoding from mainland PRC < 1367200259 697966 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from a handful really old elements, IIRC the element characters have some rather nice regular properties. < 1367200271 989234 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean trad? or something worse < 1367200275 568270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Ken Thompson, "A few minutes ago I spoke with Ken Thompson. He confirms that he and his colleagues never wanted argc to be 0; and he agrees with me that the authors of C89 should not have allowed that case to be legal. He is pretty sure that Plan 9, in particular, always ensured that argc>=1, by supplying a default environment if necessary." < 1367200284 868151 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367200288 10125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it is related to the trad / simplified split < 1367200298 728240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i meant Big5 < 1367200307 315896 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: radicals represent the type of those elements at STP? < 1367200308 421527 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. all the metals have 金 (metal), the gasses have 気 (air/gas/spirit/this character has a lot of semantics), the liquids 水 (water/liquid). < 1367200308 718304 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh <_> < 1367200311 523800 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes. < 1367200326 993716 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, chinese does the breath-life thing too, eh < 1367200376 322329 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately for Chineses their pronounciations follow those of non-radical parts < 1367200399 508116 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be tempted to still call those "radicals", but yeah. < 1367200399 753564 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is actually common for many Chinese characters) < 1367200428 593848 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's for lack of a better term for the more generic "Chinese character component". < 1367200444 445312 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they still have to memorize the meanings and pronounciations of at least thousands of basic characters < 1367200449 968352 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to "Chinese character component that is used for dictionary lookup, that generally has some amount of semantic meaning." < 1367200456 892606 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundredfold improvements! < 1367200651 405928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367200683 429178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: got any monqy wisdom and/or mnoqy wisdom for me today < 1367200696 248831 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm idk < 1367200698 493022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even..yqnom wisdom < 1367200708 308497 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yqnom wisdom < 1367200767 528406 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367200805 356294 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1367200814 218287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always fun when a book on web security begins a sentence with "To their horror and disbelief" < 1367200836 88777 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implication that they do this often enough for you to notice is good < 1367200886 289939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sorry. Although things that imply sheer pain do occur often enough < 1367200890 590898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I like the writing style of that book < 1367200899 538732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's engaging and not dry < 1367200909 590096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author finds it all amusing in a "we're all fucked" kind of way < 1367200920 438436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are some intrinsic properties shared by good exploits and good jokes < 1367200938 488453 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain roughly everything about hacker culture < 1367200946 287917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1367200963 818325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_The Tangled Web_? < 1367201068 388302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1367201073 559126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I should read that. < 1367201087 180552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/postxss/ ? < 1367201087 387078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should finish reading it < 1367201091 318510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1367201102 788653 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_migration_(birds) how could anyone not like biology, i ask you < 1367201103 4383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O coredump.cx is real? < 1367201141 782966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the book like that page? < 1367201168 126278 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: .cx TLD? < 1367201193 515493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, it's the same author < 1367201195 958327 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cx is the best tld < 1367201201 788422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's pretty similar < 1367201205 598441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page is full of cleverness. A lot of these sorts of things are. < 1367201211 189511 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck, does anyone use now < 1367201213 329714 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.su is better. < 1367201228 938691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i know someone who got into a LONG wikipedia edit war about whether goatse.cx should be listed on the .cx page as one of the notable domains < 1367201239 452197 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or .kp? < 1367201254 877134 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: awesome (it totally is) < 1367201261 976469 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty neat, but c'mon, .su is for a non-existent state! < 1367201292 161425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_codes_of_Serbiais amusingly complicated < 1367201292 388863 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :North Korea exists, it just has no right to. :P < 1367201318 188422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I want to see alternate history fiction where the USSR survives into the Internet Age < 1367201333 669691 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on some in my head >_> < 1367201336 448855 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Arguably it did. :P < 1367201340 898765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but just barely < 1367201344 548715 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1367201351 468709 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a guy i know elsewhere sometimes bans .kp and the one i forget for east germany < 1367201352 219793 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.su was created a mere 14 months before the collapse. < 1367201369 890443 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .aq < 1367201373 858556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like the age of people generally giving a shit about the internet < 1367201383 906509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, remember the days when you could say "The Internet is just a fad" seriously? < 1367201392 588552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1367201395 161064 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too young. sorry! < 1367201399 698915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1367201409 748603 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: East Germany never got one assigned. < 1367201410 889902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's actually kmc who's too old. < 1367201427 551812 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: .dd < 1367201438 259950 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was never assigned. < 1367201453 875587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't matter to silly bans! < 1367201455 398866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or the dark interpretation: the open Internet *is* just a fad, it will eventually be replaced with walled gardens run by Google and Facebook and Apple) < 1367201458 318787 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DD is a valid ISO 3166-1 code, but that TLD never existed. :) < 1367201476 136874 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For a time, praise.hm offered a URL shortening service directed at Christians." cctlds are the fucking best < 1367201497 241094 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flic.kr. < 1367201508 337818 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtu.be < 1367201515 819376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stuck South Sudan with .ss? awkward < 1367201536 871019 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt anyone around south sudan has occasion to give a damn about the schutzschaffel, really < 1367201546 848974 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :staffel. fuck. fucking german < 1367201570 639029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh SF is an obsolete code for Finland < 1367201574 541674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suomi Finland" < 1367201578 287099 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :del.icio.us is one of the better uses of ccTLDs though... < 1367201582 749102 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: FYI .ck is a valid ccTLD < 1367201585 201457 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that the site was actually American. < 1367201601 670027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://responsiveurl.co.uk < 1367201602 625801 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Please tell me they use .co.ck for commercial services. < 1367201603 84481 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is totally possible to have .co.ck domains < 1367201608 626765 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1367201611 825086 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as requested. < 1367201630 608506 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pity that they don't support two-level domains yet < 1367201633 228704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'In the British sitcom Nathan Barley, the principal character registers his website, "trashbat", in the Cook Islands simply so that it has the amusing ".co.ck" suffix, which he always pronounces "dot cock."' < 1367201637 228598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1367201643 754609 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1367201664 788848 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Domains considered profane will not be considered on any level, and the application will be dissolved with the applicant being notified, and future requests for the same domain name will be ignored." < 1367201679 839274 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is it possible to actually register a dot cock? < 1367201702 220511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the application will be dissolved with the applicant being notified, and the earth will be salted so that nothing can grow for 40 generations < 1367201705 252943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that as meaning that the application wouldn't be notified, which would suck < 1367201712 78659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applicant < 1367201728 988662 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragon.co.ck has been rejected < 1367201744 198732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"andn the applicant will be dissolved with the application being notified" < 1367201771 652444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu-YbU7IIns < 1367201775 786050 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if I have a company called Dragon in the Cook Islands that sells dildos? < 1367201787 729679 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get your Dragon cocks at Dragon dot cock!" < 1367201794 735316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367201810 590304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more famous for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8LDBNcsWc < 1367201813 49150 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can only assume that anything sexual is completely illegal in the Cook Islands < 1367201850 988503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://loves.co.ck/ sfw < 1367201856 658606 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: errrr what < 1367201864 628982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't feel like opening page, is that the one where he's trying to say top cop? < 1367201870 28989 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ chickenfucking < 1367201870 235479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1367201885 195133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one where he misreads a url ".com" as ".cock" and then briefly corrects to "dong" before settling on "com" < 1367201896 990824 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1367201899 859165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1367201917 18923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: watch the face of the woman sitting next to him < 1367201928 88998 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a camcorder recording of a tivo'd program. i love the future < 1367201987 469274 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a lot like how the MPAA recommends that copies of DVDs for educational use be made using camcorder. < 1367201994 644762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1367202039 30632 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zB4ItYcX4I < 1367202046 929431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains#Internationalized_country_code_top-level_domains a fun list too < 1367202063 36580 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do they advocate getting actors to reenact plays rather than recording them < 1367202073 408735 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't think so. < 1367202077 79759 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point here is DRM. < 1367202107 150181 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad at jokes again, woe < 1367202129 318958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tamil script is pretty damn cool looking < 1367202134 430059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOtrEalLyaViDEo < 1367202147 630937 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's not really a video, is it < 1367202155 669347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: well, not really < 1367202182 789141 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ooh, swirly < 1367202184 648974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :௵ < 1367202215 279568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/History_of_Tamil_script.jpg < 1367202220 128995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADD MORE SWIRLS < 1367202277 837608 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks something like Mitochondria < 1367202776 551056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367203564 900662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6 / pi**2 < 1367203566 682840 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6079271018540267 < 1367203618 40697 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some zeta sum, right? < 1367203706 706739 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, one over zeta(two) < 1367203807 40330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the probability that two randomly chosen numbers are coprime < 1367203882 449866 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'randomly chosen number' is such a great concept < 1367203896 131367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I assume "natural" or some such? < 1367203906 370449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think natural < 1367203913 619902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know so i didn't specify :) < 1367203922 680057 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no, it includes reals, duh" < 1367203956 584142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool that you can implement RSA in a page of code, even if it's terrible RSA nobody should actually use < 1367203970 120254 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that's not erdos-kac < 1367203976 40427 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got my half-remembered number theory all confused, id o < 1367203979 531059 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's really quite nice that RSA is actually that understandable. < 1367203995 495805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1367204010 801506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need pretty deep math to actually prove Euler's totient theorem, right? < 1367204053 190167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Euler's theorem can be proven using concepts from the theory of groups:" guess so < 1367204102 202083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depends which concepts :) < 1367204122 639951 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basel problem isn't too bad though < 1367204126 590259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually I think this is an amount of group theory that I used to know < 1367204128 940213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't use invertibility then it's so easy < 1367204143 691402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does 'randomly chosen natural number' mean < 1367204763 880563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems really lucky that public key crypto is even possible at all < 1367204798 331265 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367204798 572508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1367205071 934826 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you seen "A personal view of average-case complexity"? Impagliazzo's "five worlds" paper < 1367205081 610489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but that sounds really cool < 1367205087 783057 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really cool how that took me five minutes to look up < 1367205138 680805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link or should i google it < 1367205184 980679 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367205206 179524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hike < 1367205220 778654 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/users/russell/average.ps < 1367205227 780821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you'll excuse me i'll be destroying my ISP < 1367205237 373926 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:11 < Bike_> it's really cool how that took me five minutes to look up < 1367205237 581173 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:12 < Bike_> basically the guy lays out a few different ways the world would be like for various resolutions to P=NP < 1367205240 960969 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:12 < Bike_> including whether trapdoor functions are real and stuff < 1367205278 230996 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Qwest, eh? < 1367205284 61438 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, salt the earth; < 1367205297 824201 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367205323 221020 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird how qwest is still in my hostname, considering qwest no longer exists, but eh < 1367205336 429385 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes, it's Century Link. < 1367205347 791101 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salt the fucking earth or they'll come back with a new name. < 1367205353 373151 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so < 1367205359 12542 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1367205497 401027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION traceroutes the IP he had in high school, which he still has memorized
< 1367205509 80767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hey i used to live here!' < 1367205522 539670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have moved to seattle < 1367205546 282733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I remember the DNS IPs but not my own address. < 1367205572 488191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was before high school. < 1367205638 460923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know secret sharing cryptography? I know some things about this. < 1367205671 502142 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean private key cryptography aka "old-ass" cryptography < 1367205711 611526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_sharing < 1367205738 282090 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look it's shamir again. dude gets around < 1367205742 530648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each secret share is a plane, and the secret is the point at which three shares intersect." wikipedia photo caption or 3am street person ramblings < 1367205744 672386 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1367205769 645005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't we all a plane, deep inside < 1367205827 59738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that, or a line, if there are two needed to make it, etc. I can think of things involving how to encode the data and how to figure out the numbers and so on, to improve the security. < 1367206494 291557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secure multi-party computation is really cool and something I should learn about < 1367206684 252049 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367206801 421558 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The proof here is messy, but stupid." < 1367206973 82126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure my old IP is somewhere on some wiki < 1367207010 849016 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367207127 583012 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I wanted to use NetMeeting to connect to my computer from elsewhere, and thinking my IP address was 192.168.1.1 < 1367207141 76172 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367207825 19899 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Bike> aren't we all a plane, deep inside // But aren't we all snakes on a plane? < 1367207851 663918 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guitar solo* < 1367208910 582789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planesnake would be a good name for a band < 1367209034 113351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my #esoteric band names: Planesnake, Napier's Bones, KANGXI RADICAL FIGHT, Duff's Device, Intermezzo War Crime, < 1367209045 223169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gütenbørg, BADNESS 10000 < 1367209072 862739 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things would be good band names but i haven't thought to write any of them down.... < 1367209080 413028 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP / lost forever < 1367209092 428419 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know at least one person who collects band names in an irc-queryable list < 1367209102 643099 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does kangxi radical fight have to do with the emperor or... < 1367209129 743152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too Close for Missiles, Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite, Berne Convention, Gopher Wood < 1367209143 373221 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's a good idea < 1367209146 296112 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very biblical < 1367209166 604786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have any band names for us? < 1367209170 623034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, kangxi radicals, compiled by the kangxi emperor < 1367209183 852805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you can use some of mine < 1367209194 404547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a surplus < 1367209253 713146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :band name surplus and band deficit((surminus??)) < 1367209273 372969 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one way to put it < 1367209275 493099 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should there be like `guitarsolo to spit out a band name < 1367209322 953056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo guitars are p. bad instruments < 1367209331 399284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you say that? < 1367209332 593175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as bad as drums but still p. bad < 1367209346 578872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly electric guitars are worse than non-electric guitars < 1367209369 312971 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guitars can be used for good or bad < 1367209379 493145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1367209386 621288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay guitar users are the evil ones < 1367209389 443040 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like spanish guitar i'm afraid we can't be whatever we are < 1367209398 802882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mortal enemies? < 1367209401 63717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the electric guitar is one of the defining technologies of the 20th c. < 1367209411 372956 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1367209429 82953 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just how many defining technologies did the 20th c. have < 1367209434 592948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one < 1367209466 683190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :several < 1367209477 472621 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!!who do i believe < 1367209492 572748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1367209495 385102 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric guitar, combine harvester, those cheapish well things < 1367209497 293467 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it < 1367209524 278932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i was thinking of doing that thing that i did again, should i < 1367209533 203053 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want...... < 1367209548 981437 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it well-recieved < 1367209562 563487 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe kalishnikovs. is that an invention < 1367209581 512113 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of a discovery imo < 1367209605 213261 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right yeah your o is right < 1367209620 443163 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait shit what about those things you can put on dogs and then they translate dog language for you. < 1367209642 343151 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1367209663 783067 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 90s right? pretty defining of the 90s and the 20th century in general < 1367209674 434084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 90s didn't really exist < 1367209684 915999 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animal testing Baiting Breed-specific legislation Communication Dog attack Dog park Dog sports Dog walking Dog daycare Dog grooming Famous dogs Intelligence Therapy Training Fear of dogs Dog license Dog food Dogs in religion < 1367209715 295116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomic bomb < 1367209744 934344 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things that were only used twice? < 1367209883 413474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had a dominant effect on international relations in the remaining 50 years, yes < 1367209893 327355 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1367210220 244013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :d: < 1367210273 530985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of automatically skeptical of technology being a super important factor in history though < 1367210408 147349 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuclear weapons have been deployed against: Japan, fishermen, Pacific islanders, Mongolian nomads < 1367210471 193443 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who tested nukes in mongolia? < 1367210487 871117 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367210587 75494 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367210599 695053 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367210928 415094 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mongolians? < 1367210944 193826 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think mongolia ever had nuclear capability < 1367210987 4114 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because you are educated stupid. < 1367211002 644192 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1367211034 324255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicycles aren't educated < 1367211086 435427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CIA put some nuclear powered listening devices on a mountain in the Himalayas to spy on nuclear tests in China < 1367211145 624160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fell down and ended up in the Ganges river < 1367211147 724237 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of weird that mongolia didn't have more of a role in the cold war now that i think about it, i mean they were practically soviet and had had a whole lot of border conflicts with china < 1367211299 353950 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird realizing that stuff like the Apple II's NTSC artifact color didn't work out of the US. < 1367211339 645884 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly bad for the Apple II. That thing was actually designed entirely around that. < 1367211774 160519 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367212071 6288 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367213116 185946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think electric guitar and non-electric guitar can both be OK to play the specific music meant for those kind of guitar. < 1367213135 184916 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1367213146 995544 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electric guitar is awesome. Classical guitar is also awesome. < 1367213152 835159 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just very different instruments. < 1367213226 174663 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to imagine what Anji would sound like on electric guitar, fails
< 1367213265 601471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. That is what I mean. < 1367213574 617018 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367215165 977050 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1367215438 565649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, this paper on one way accumulators suggests (in passing) to use secure multiparty computation to bootstrap a new cryptosystem < 1367215465 986006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you need to pick some constants and don't want to just ask the NSA what the best ones are < 1367215476 855903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there are advantages to asking the NSA as well as disadvantages < 1367215567 916571 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clipper was great, right!? < 1367215583 65758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1367216023 706186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_up_my_sleeve_number < 1367216026 296675 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1367216135 986196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way that's written sort of implies that you can just grab CK random numbers, nice < 1367216139 38738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1367216166 417625 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope to one day cite A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates in a paper < 1367216223 855973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_A Billion Random Digits with 100,000,000 Normal Deviates_, by Bike < 1367216248 656294 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :handwritten and published on 100% genuine papyrus < 1367216262 205771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case they're looking for numbers with a particular property < 1367216303 88990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they can list the property, and say, pick the first number in the digits of pi with that property? < 1367216374 565657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you need to justify the index. < 1367216388 325919 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like, you justify it with the property < 1367216399 686239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I read that backwards. < 1367216409 306633 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here is the property we want, here's a function that iterates through until it finds a number that fits it, we didn't pick anything weird beyond this property" I don't know if that works though < 1367216438 86029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi is overrated, anyway. < 1367216447 698709 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo gamma < 1367216466 134928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think you may as well use a CSPRNG at that point? < 1367216562 591299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSPRNG? < 1367216578 665775 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random number generator < 1367216580 239744 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but like, then you'd have to justify some numbers like te initialization values right? < 1367216591 571904 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, a seed? < 1367216595 826355 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you're having to convince people "I'm not doing anything weird here" < 1367216610 426018 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're giving them some 64-bit seed or something you might have intentionally picked a seed that gave you some hidden property? < 1367216629 832400 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm thinking that they'd be able to come up with their own values easily if they wanted to. < 1367216631 237851 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : um maybe this doesn't make any sense but I thought the whole thing was basically not having too much entropy in the constants < 1367216730 262108 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is why we need secure multiparty computation < 1367216749 565979 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way we can hide the agreement on sanity in the math of the protocol, instead of actually talking about it, in which case nobody will ever agree < 1367216831 960564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now reading the zerocoin paper < 1367216872 176202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-knowledge proofs still freak me out kind of < 1367216915 161907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1367216975 86066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the idea that you can prove something really complicated and significant without admitting any of your premises < 1367217038 506180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not actually "proving", generally. < 1367217541 207144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1367217655 416566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zerocoin uses commitments, zero-knowledge proofs, *and* one-way accumulators < 1367217663 107025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :high tech < 1367217704 376284 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-way accumulators? < 1367217831 927382 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles, gets a bunch of pdfs. must be a common concept!!
< 1367217855 616702 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Decentralized Alternative to Digital Signatures" sounds pretty snazzy, though. < 1367217907 178873 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-125-153.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367217927 687210 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This paper describes a simple candidate one-way hash function which satisfies a quasi-commutative property that allows it to be used as an accumulator. This property allows protocols to be developed in which the need for a trusted central authority can be eliminated. Spaceefficient distributed protocols are given for document time stamping and for membership testing, and many other applications are possible. < 1367217947 486506 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it accumulate? signatures of transmission middlemen? < 1367218045 576694 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, the original rsa paper < 1367218047 356891 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«This has obvious applications in "electronic mail" and "electronic funds transfer" systems.» < 1367218252 805438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it accumulates whatever you want < 1367218267 238839 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's a good thing to accumulate < 1367218704 167453 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: undie < 1367218830 247216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i was going to link this in the earlier discussin of hardware random number generators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n8LNxGbZbs < 1367218927 418434 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so basically it's a thing you can add sutff to, but can't remove things from? < 1367219131 287759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you compute z from a bunch of y_i such that you can later demonstrate that your y was one of the ones that went into z < 1367219175 663511 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else seen the new doctor who? < 1367219194 373379 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but such that you don't have to say which y it is? < 1367219210 483421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you do say < 1367219232 127442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the main thing is that an adversary can't prove your y is in there if you've kept it secret < 1367219263 737182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it takes up a constant amount of space no matter how many y are in there, unlike the simple 'concatenate all y and call that z' solution < 1367219290 897664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: zerocoin builds a zero-knowledge proof of membership though < 1367219301 480079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not part of the idea of one-way accumulators themselves < 1367219306 529024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think... < 1367219404 117648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's sort of like the value z is a public key that has 'signed' all the y, except there's no private key that can sign more things (and be stolen or coerced into doing so) < 1367219467 200835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1367219518 899246 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@athedsl-21678.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367220620 219012 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-125-153.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1367221018 512801 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@athedsl-21968.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367221302 580140 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@athedsl-21968.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1367222715 1501 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367223040 949985 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1367223376 520467 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367223751 40286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367224932 391519 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1367225093 630642 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1367225865 289738 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367225979 287650 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby declare my undying hatred of CAPTCHA. < 1367226573 60005 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367226918 620110 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1367227173 102638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: I hear it's relatively cheap to hire humans to do them for you. < 1367227238 360180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's a relatively cheap move. < 1367227241 613947 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I probably should do that; I must not be human enough to be able to read them. < 1367227452 70032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What'd you say about earning us some money by breaking a few CAPTCHAs? < 1367227452 479964 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: je vais dir.... fnord < 1367227459 947675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay. < 1367227508 310750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that actually mean "I want to say fnord"? < 1367227805 960338 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's that mean? < 1367227806 510285 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: work-safe but horrifying?" quiz for synapsid. this < 1367227847 390408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think you're pulling someone's leg here. < 1367227847 700134 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: process 3 killed. it's a relative, not a shadowed variable. will do < 1367227868 590899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaguely threatening. < 1367228315 361815 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you killed a child process? YOU MONSTER < 1367228315 930206 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: he was infamous for inflating time estimates, then delivering way ahead of the times < 1367228380 340421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's still no reason to KILL someone. < 1367228381 50745 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord was ega/ vga graphics and b800-bfff is text. and it provides a means to do unhygienic operations. that's just under the advanced line. < 1367228461 832395 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@athedsl-17452.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367228620 590805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hygienic/unhygienic/advanced spectrum of macro hygiene? < 1367228663 103069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vram hygiene might be a separate concept though < 1367228720 273599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367228968 90524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think it's related to how you can make macros that don't cause any visual noise on the monitor when expanded. < 1367229042 220580 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb hmm, do you still think the grid cells should be changing size? It might make things tricky... I'll be working on other things for now < 1367229042 428023 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367229118 256529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb also, do you think reversing the polarity of the tachyon matrix could streamline the efficiencies a bit? < 1367229118 463467 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367229292 681777 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1367229390 230490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1367229618 70530 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1367229723 826399 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367230367 550532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367230971 432236 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1367231661 500878 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-165.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367231700 62436 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-165.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1367231700 268982 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367231832 655741 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367233322 23630 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1367233500 236440 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist NOT a new comic, but the website is back up < 1367233502 61171 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1367233610 681562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks.
< 1367233613 621464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no new comic! < 1367233635 935360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you `olist when there's no new comic? < 1367233693 961035 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nolist < 1367233695 291859 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nolist: not found < 1367233695 731569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bizarre. < 1367233709 671862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizaggeo < 1367234577 73023 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367234900 87304 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1367235264 152731 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1367237107 993222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367237329 974280 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367237395 594550 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367238367 13212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367238486 634327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367238613 879105 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367238669 234475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1367238669 441052 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1367238730 414802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott filters 2 and 3 don't have specific warnings, but also don't have any consequences but preventing the attempt to edit; I don't know what it looks like but it would be safe to find out < 1367238730 621324 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367238842 683755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott: haha, I /just/ triggered it by mistake: "This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your edit was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: userpage contains no newlines and adds a link" < 1367238842 953606 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367239045 796888 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1367239306 405563 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367239441 984429 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1367239804 400595 :nooga!~nooga@net-93-159-142-70.connected.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367241205 897171 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367241399 846072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice telling "elliott:" < 1367241400 287685 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1367241416 95324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm < 1367241420 395218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it actually worked < 1367241421 65152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if lambdabot knew what I meant anyway < 1367241428 336977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1367241430 555882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone fixed that? < 1367241441 615440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did ais523 secretly resend the same message without the :? < 1367241446 746888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1367241466 334323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems more likely than someone fixing lambdabot. < 1367241476 434988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf: q < 1367241476 915610 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367241478 805524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it was never broken, so didn't need to be fixed < 1367241481 336189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1367241481 776695 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1367241484 825344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages < 1367241485 226914 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 8s ago: q < 1367241487 535005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1367241503 422848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work with commas too? < 1367241506 336077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not. < 1367241524 686242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1367241591 614014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf, yes < 1367241591 929325 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367241602 676369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1367241603 125581 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1367241647 876488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr < 1367241648 325782 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where d' all t' pirates come from? < 1367241648 532482 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great Yarrmouth! < 1367241663 575955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now /nick shachaf, < 1367241680 535295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1367241683 815781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are commas even legal in nicks? < 1367241695 545553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1367241936 36716 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1367241937 147188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1367241948 960697 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1367242485 12420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367243045 837898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1367244288 851859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367244966 250777 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1367245181 491188 :ThatOtherPersonY!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1367245254 373841 :ThatOtherPersonY!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: get out < 1367245277 502966 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367245281 179085 :ThatOtherPersonY!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1367245285 52091 :ThatOtherPersonY!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony NICK :ThatOtherPerson < 1367246411 363882 :LVCIFER!~klaatu@unaffiliated/lvcifer JOIN :#esoteric < 1367246610 934602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw I sent you a message on esolang < 1367246729 725180 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367246947 889342 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367247001 520288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367247073 105384 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1367247151 544755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Barney_humor < 1367247798 444179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1367248284 698024 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: amazing < 1367248358 877495 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noez I just caught myself wiki crawling < 1367248364 396381 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS ELLIOTT < 1367248765 325701 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367249102 649963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MindlessDrone < 1367249107 759382 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MindlessDrone: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1367249205 835332 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1367249744 559256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jAUF why isn't our channel hip and popular enough to get this sort of stuff? < 1367249863 926886 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love "NO SCAM" < 1367249910 40052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you wouldn't want people to assume anything untrue. < 1367249940 415656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats redacted < 1367249970 856375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A channel. < 1367249974 492934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was just ##asm.) < 1367250070 414175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #haskell spambots are a bit boringer < 1367250073 171763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw op me < 1367250492 24612 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if I was an op I'd op you < 1367250509 493752 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :My platform for op: If I'm opped I'll op elliott < 1367250511 60582 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1367250521 430632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my platform for op: i wouldn't op ThatOtherPerson < 1367250529 533221 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise choice :D < 1367250757 956138 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was op I wouldn't op me either < 1367250856 933575 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1367250881 747050 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-8-33.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367251513 232963 :LVCIFER!~klaatu@unaffiliated/lvcifer PART #esoteric :"SVVM CVIQVE" < 1367252108 766659 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367252231 496401 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs550025.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367252318 656263 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-8-33.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1367253107 726529 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs550025.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367253123 327165 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367253153 430242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had a weird dream < 1367253154 7476 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1367253175 849989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it good < 1367253179 228550 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1367253190 322412 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was reading a programming tutorial < 1367253194 512079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an analogy < 1367253212 413602 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involved a French newspaper, the Chinese Communist Party, and a birdcage < 1367253245 668746 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smell the inception of a new monad tutorial here. < 1367253472 795538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367253483 125157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1367253483 396360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was I in it < 1367253499 884513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367253501 60369 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1367253510 408614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/windfucker < 1367253512 838666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow english < 1367253514 238269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wow < 1367253536 808487 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so < 1367253550 287136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the haps my friend < 1367253564 399659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nice word < 1367253590 107399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a good band name™ < 1367253598 131912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name for a bird really < 1367253598 728392 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1367253611 168467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is it a plane? is it superman? no, it's WINDFUCKER" < 1367253618 503760 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chinese graphics problem looks worryingly fixed < 1367253619 141965 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More info coming soon < 1367253619 348956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*graphics card problem < 1367253626 138090 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: hi < 1367253632 768659 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1367253635 949192 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367253650 23112 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese graphics card problem is NOT FIXED :( < 1367253715 68323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the chinese graphics card problem when you try to work out the version of someone's graphics card by the remainders of its version number < 1367253724 706391 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's this about pressing s? < 1367253759 408058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll know < 1367253863 284209 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367254022 769005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367254331 504742 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367254408 189939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367254567 793529 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367254629 989915 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367254650 651539 :nooga!~nooga@159-205-193-95.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367254688 433457 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1367254855 492062 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367254964 613145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1367255101 672279 :nooga!~nooga@159-205-193-95.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367256466 249476 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1367256564 965642 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1367256913 541142 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367256971 62838 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how Wolfram's numbering scheme for Turing machines works? < 1367256994 563473 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it relates to the specification of the machine other than "this is just the number for this one" < 1367257041 179262 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, like the state/color thing, or...? < 1367257045 499556 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1367257148 202516 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for instance, Wolfram's (2,3) "UTM" is given here http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/technicaldetails.html < 1367257161 150888 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He gives it as {596440, 2, 3} < 1367257204 667033 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where (2,3) is (state, color) and 596440 is the particular machine out of the 2985984 possible < 1367257263 891037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess it encodes the transition function < 1367257317 922131 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs for mathematica's TuringMachine seem a bit vague about it though < 1367257383 132634 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I thought. I gathered the same about it encoding the transition function, I just have no idea if there's a way to find them myself. < 1367257591 440459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual TuringMachine function can just take a transition graph too, so < 1367257729 442379 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's true. Maybe there's a function to work it out from the graph. I'll have to do more reading. I have to imagine that this stuff is published *somewhere* < 1367257760 783618 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it important? < 1367257803 548987 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing around with a universal Turing machine implementation in Haskell and I wanted to get around constructing the transition functions by hand < 1367257818 883467 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed like convenient notation. Not particularly important, just a thing to do < 1367257854 764711 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'd probably be better off just specifying the transition rules with some data structure < 1367257868 573443 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's looking that way. < 1367257950 634151 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunate, because I already have it working so nicely with the numbers. Oh, well, guess I'll just have to do things a little differently. < 1367258007 721888 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description_number < 1367258040 70851 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just be decoding it into the data structure anyway, probably < 1367258077 821948 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back later. Class is starting. Thanks for bouncing ideas around :) < 1367258081 338853 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the article says the fact that you can encode machines like that is usually more important than actually doing so < 1367258087 400723 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao < 1367258090 534098 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.206 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1367258355 634034 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367258413 300630 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367258643 809790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1367258926 739702 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367259028 662322 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs18907.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367259166 223677 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367259237 849543 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why hast thou forsaken me? < 1367259275 523852 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0 < 1367259374 939298 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb has this nasty habit of being away when you want to tell him something. < 1367259420 475930 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs18907.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367259639 469099 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367259743 641971 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1367259821 991806 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: YOU CAN TRY AGAIN NOW < 1367259824 422907 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1367259839 352918 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 Appreciation Day? < 1367259868 226575 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ThatOtherPerson> Taneb, why hast thou forsaken me? < 1367259868 534517 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :* MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0) < 1367259868 741454 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> taneb has this nasty habit of being away when you want to tell him something. < 1367259874 354111 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1367259883 103118 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crap connection here < 1367259889 42366 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so :/ < 1367259902 2980 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer can connect to wifi pretty well, but my laptop's... poorly maintained < 1367259910 580422 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my computer has the whole Chinese Graphics Card proplem < 1367260042 160367 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367260079 824732 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1367260411 69684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 has some good ideas, such as being compliant with principle of extended ASCII, and that the sorting is still ordered by code points, however it has disadvantages such as different lengths for different characters, and all the stupid stuff that Unicode has. < 1367260451 736674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it could be used with any character set which is extending ASCII and up to 36-bit code point numbers. < 1367260479 226224 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1367260566 893003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not all programs that use UTF-8 even follow the principle of extended ASCII. < 1367260679 622547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs can use any extended ASCII encodings and it won't care, such as TeX (which by default uses single-byte encoding, although they are not included in the standard fonts, but you can write macros to support UTF-8 and other extended ASCII encodings). < 1367260705 945969 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_migration_(birds) how could anyone not like biology, i ask you <-- well clearly biology is killing birds, here < 1367260990 287344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As another example, my program VGMCK is mostly ASCII, although comments can use any extended ASCII coding whatever you want, and GD3 tags are in UTF-8. (GD3 tags are actually UTF-16; the program will do the conversion.) < 1367261059 30800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there programs that will allow trailing spaces only if encoded using UTF-8 overlong encodings? < 1367261066 175964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VGMCK is one of them.) < 1367261169 54568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any others? Did you write any such programs? < 1367261428 39164 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ThatOtherPerson: so how's that deadline going? < 1367261446 41351 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD 26 Jam ends in: 7h 9m < 1367261463 723993 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have confidence that we'll have something finished by then < 1367261588 417266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this program only reads UTF-8 for the purpose of converting into UTF-16, CESU-8 is automatically also supported (although it will also correctly convert astral characters encoded in proper UTF-8). < 1367261939 9662 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367261962 438629 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367261978 192411 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367262000 222564 :oerjan_!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367262015 791218 :oerjan_!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 NICK :oerjan < 1367262098 136668 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367262611 64725 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367262688 648705 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: ohhhh I thought you were doing the compo < 1367262696 22660 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended last night I believe < 1367262703 341463 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, we're doing the jam < 1367262717 663988 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: the compo is only one-person < 1367262727 804091 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jam can have as many on a team as you'd like < 1367262735 259169 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> http://sprunge.us/jAUF why isn't our channel hip and popular enough to get this sort of stuff? <-- i vaguely think we've had those? < 1367262794 287102 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh that's the difference < 1367263027 52296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :been learning about zero knowledge proofs < 1367263049 315816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's the kind of proof you make right < 1367263053 153717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN < 1367263056 415336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1367263071 277383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a demo of zkp for 3-colorings of a graph http://web.mit.edu/~ezyang/Public/graph/svg.html < 1367263112 675238 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NihilistDandy> Where (2,3) is (state, color) and 596440 is the particular machine out of the 2985984 possible < 1367263140 873190 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2*3*2)^(2*3) < 1367263142 619369 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2985984 < 1367263186 730322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we agree on a graph. i want to prove to you that i know a 3-coloring of this graph. i publish my colorings for each edge, encrypted separately. you pick an edge and i decrypt it and demonstrate that the colors were different < 1367263206 481972 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1367263207 854195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh zero-knowledge proofs aren't actually 100% certain? < 1367263224 849185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed they were and now they are at least 5x less cool < 1367263225 586715 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell NihilistDandy Knowing how Wolfram numbered his CA's, I expect 596440 should be interpreted as a length 2*3 base 2*3*2 number < 1367263225 793622 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367263226 449039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we iterate this game some number of times until you are convinced to your satisfaction < 1367263233 803112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they are the lamest < 1367263249 121287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can permute the colors each time, so there's no way for you to assemble a full coloring from my answers < 1367263270 149455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it's not really 'encrypt' you want but a digital committment scheme, however i think encryption is close enough to demonstrate why the algo works) < 1367263281 833963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be called zero-knowledge evidence obvs < 1367263296 198693 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: given that they about probability distributions of challenge->response transactions, it does necessitate a sampling from that distribution to prove things about them. < 1367263319 318688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yes it makes sense of course < 1367263332 936435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently they use 'zero-knowledge argument' to mean a ZKP which can be faked by an unboundedly powerful cheating prover but not by a polynomial time one < 1367263338 126741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just wholly disappointed because I knew nothing about them but my assumptions made them sound impossible and cool! < 1367263348 465964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry 2 disappoint < 1367263402 87671 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no encryption algorithm with a fixed-length key that's unbreakable, quite tragic. < 1367263428 230687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should get on that. < 1367263616 693414 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very stuck on robozzle 4005 http://www.robozzle.com/puzzle.aspx?id=4005 ... < 1367263669 819055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there such quantum algorithms though? < 1367263969 923848 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't quantum encryption basically about a secure way to agree on a one-time pad? < 1367263984 378808 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well, not as though they are usable by anyone who's more than a kelvin above absolute zero) < 1367263984 585666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a bit like diffie hellman I think, except immune to a mitm? < 1367264019 129038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realised what a badass name hellman is < 1367264023 78008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diffie not so much < 1367264048 64186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I guess so. < 1367264064 167285 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Hellmann, which is mayonnaise. < 1367264080 760524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_key_distribution protests that it is only the most well known of the quantum cryptographic primitives < 1367264128 21468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, so there's others < 1367264134 770554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are practical quantum crypto systems in the real world < 1367264139 942636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Quantum encryption technology provided by the Swiss company Id Quantique was used in the Swiss canton (state) of Geneva to transmit ballot results to the capitol in the national election occurring on October 21, 2007' < 1367264148 752822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if they're above 1 K or not ;) < 1367264197 598769 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing to do for distributed secure elections is mixnets < 1367264435 429060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently most MRI magnets are at 4.2 K (boiling point of helium) < 1367264450 869430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing that might be possible to use with quantum encryption might be teleportation? < 1367264495 15845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum crypto will be broken through implementation bugs and operational fuckups < 1367264498 27688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like classical crypto < 1367264499 641460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how well? < 1367264521 175421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was pleased to see the wikipedia page already lists a number of these < 1367264694 566829 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1367264786 904058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophical consequences of ZKP are slightly weird < 1367264819 419215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZKP? < 1367264826 323782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your belief that i have a 3-coloring is justified and true, but you can't convey it to a third party, so is it knowledge or not < 1367264841 697941 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh./ < 1367264862 386887 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't ZKP that one that's equivalent to the axiom of choice < 1367264869 927645 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the definition of knowledge... < 1367264883 494038 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no it isn't < 1367264888 11050 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I belive X to be true." "If X were not true, I would not believe X to be true." "X is true." < 1367264892 614344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can convey it by proxying right < 1367264900 645079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ZKP satisfies that definition? < 1367264903 789190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you show the third party a full transcript of our conversation, they could suspect that we colluded to pick random values that aren't really random < 1367264908 703742 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that was the one we learned in philosophy class < 1367264920 736915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your justification in your belief is rooted in your belief that your random choices were truly random < 1367264921 517793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: proof that it isn't knowledge: if a zero knowledge proof gave knowledge, then contradiction; QED < 1367264922 755012 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you believe it to be true, it is in fact true because it's been proven to you, and if it were not true, it could not have been proven to you < 1367264929 642965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even though you can't pass the knowledge on, you still know it? < 1367264943 90816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1367264952 604494 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think at least by that definition it's still knowledge (?) < 1367264975 346330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it fits the philosophy 101 definitions of knowledge (which is all i know) but it lacks some property people expect of something called 'knowledge' < 1367264983 719894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :properties* < 1367264987 779285 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Nozick#Epistemology this was the one we learned I think < 1367265064 474183 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with the second statement of Fiora's definition of ZKP < 1367265121 495581 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving that something is a probabilistic proof is the easy part. you also have to prove it's zero-knowledge. < 1367265142 713709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Fiora was giving a definition of knowledge not a definition of ZKP < 1367265241 659701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adl.sourceforge.net/ seems to have many similarities with Z-machine. < 1367265273 535316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367265317 156632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry < 1367265327 59988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to mentally match up the ZKP thing with the nozick knowledge definition < 1367265330 269973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to try to follow kmc's logic < 1367265337 806383 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a port of Zork in that which I've read through < 1367265376 194857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is even possible to compile into Z-machine format. < 1367265394 21634 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a LISP it has a hell of a lot of syntax, which is especially annoying when you have something so dense. < 1367265407 341331 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, I shouldn't be talking, whatwith Haskell's combinator parties < 1367265425 283446 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :built-in syntax, that is. < 1367265446 885422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does have a lot of syntax that is not like LISP. < 1367265574 589587 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367265680 227478 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367265757 279272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a couple of new 120 mm case fans. Mine are not sounding so good any more. Anyone know a good quiet brand? Good quality but most of all quiet. < 1367265774 513521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there different mountings? Power connectors? < 1367265818 981701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually each fan has its own mounting and power connector < 1367265834 688570 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hth) < 1367265931 549065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1367265935 761610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367265937 783846 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367265947 947436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what about good quiet fans? < 1367265966 809995 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367265973 286441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they work like other fans, just better and quieter < 1367265978 203807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1367265987 66999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but any recommendations? < 1367265995 220122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you usually know this stuff, right? < 1367266200 543018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try silentpcreview.com < 1367266226 120185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc uhh nexus and noctua are well-liked, if I remember the names < 1367266250 380183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Thanks a lot :) < 1367266382 481843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367266679 194096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my computer's doing the other problem again < 1367266733 82891 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what other problem? < 1367266751 891526 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't start up < 1367266762 940165 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crashes just after Ubuntu's splashy thing < 1367266767 190098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds like a bit of a bummer < 1367266783 415833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what if you disable splash and just display the console? < 1367266793 419981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything useful? < 1367266797 603299 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be bothered to play with it right now < 1367266810 988619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what are you using atm then if not your computer? < 1367266815 532803 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laptop < 1367266838 580593 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how would I use my computer if it doesn't start up) < 1367266885 360983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have windows on another partition or sth < 1367266939 969666 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've had worse luck with Windows than I've had with Ubuntu < 1367266956 766870 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of my luck with OS's it goes (roughly) < 1367266959 611164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider consulting your nearest witch-doctor < 1367266981 95184 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris, Gentoo, Debian, Arch, Windows, Ubuntu, Mac OSX < 1367267003 159290 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Haiku between Windows and Ubuntu < 1367267003 404811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you not running solaris then! < 1367267012 879044 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're reading it backwards < 1367267018 460769 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris is least < 1367267035 100031 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should just use an abacus < 1367267037 659066 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had the best luck with OSX because someone else set it up and I didn't do anything with it < 1367267043 504247 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: couldn't get wifi < 1367267048 196532 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same problem as Haiku < 1367267148 662652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wifi drivers for abacuses are a bitch to install < 1367267164 598802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abacaucus < 1367267164 805526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*abaci < 1367267381 823685 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367267448 776947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is such a pain trying to find the product from Swedish resellers. :/ < 1367267467 440797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the fans I can only find different variants of < 1367267481 353471 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I force Ubuntu to not skip the grub menu < 1367267520 280017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it skips it? ouch < 1367267537 784393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you can edit the grub config < 1367267611 445031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367267617 926100 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh < 1367267621 196181 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It SOMETIMES skips it < 1367267627 993376 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't this time < 1367267809 738469 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1367267871 627566 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367268074 636764 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1367268149 570066 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367268242 531852 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367268326 471278 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, set a longer timeout? < 1367268371 532564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just mash escape < 1367268447 163324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's Ubuntu, /etc/default/grub has the settings it puts in grub.cfg regarding the menu. < 1367268463 781487 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not that < 1367268464 51912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grub itself has that "hidden timeout" thing and many settings. < 1367268599 226080 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367268637 912768 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1367269036 843188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://cosmarxpolitan.tumblr.com/ < 1367269217 118786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367269339 624297 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, right < 1367269480 174187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1367269692 41304 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367269787 904915 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1367269842 574777 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vows to hunt down whoever is responsible for Taneb's poor connection and tell them how disappointed he is in them
< 1367269884 775170 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only gets a bad connection two days a year < 1367269954 523677 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367270219 688516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367270672 908913 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367270693 527603 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367271083 599428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1367271205 589581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367271402 258302 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367271456 865685 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367271561 751305 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367271589 810770 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367271708 91434 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367271738 258487 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367272054 711656 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367272398 957446 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367273033 543394 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.157.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367273142 72377 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.20 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1367273799 764861 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am increasingly worried that we are the same person < 1367273834 155477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 7 is the sacred number of hexham < 1367273844 784685 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha < 1367273853 480460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't... wouldn't it be 6? < 1367273853 834047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hexham talk. you wouldn't understand. < 1367273855 894152 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think 6 would be the sacred number of Hexham < 1367273861 745368 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with the hex and the ham < 1367273868 364118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is a common misconception. < 1367273868 664617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 little piggies went to market < 1367273880 434743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those who truly understand the nature of hexham will find their minds clear of such nonsense < 1367273883 804684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aum. < 1367273953 966062 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah, yes, but one stayed home < 1367273960 285424 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, 7 < 1367273969 590460 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1367273971 604803 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fuck hexham < 1367274003 42569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like sexham (sex with a ham) < 1367274016 725187 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you should move to Hexham < 1367274073 566665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1367274084 975684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367274157 475772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1367274169 959806 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck it < 1367274256 355120 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got some churches and an old gaol < 1367274261 565081 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called The Old Gaol < 1367274262 777483 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's old < 1367274266 735329 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a gaol < 1367274287 996747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367274303 736212 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such eloquence! < 1367274311 10815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what it says on the tin < 1367274314 236380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo if you came to hexham we could have a hexham #esoteric meetup < 1367274364 597378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :built 1330 < 1367274374 305385 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you have that anyway? < 1367274381 696509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it wouldn't be the same without a bicycle. < 1367274394 655563 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not the only bicycle in the world < 1367274412 718075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the only one that matters... to me...... < 1367274419 846194 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1367274430 965919 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just want my genderswap :| < 1367274492 385536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you're not a bicycle < 1367274504 207893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, if you go to hexham you can be the village bicycle < 1367274524 935862 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a town < 1367274571 235866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Fiora" the term for a ladies' bicycle, or did I misunderstand something? < 1367274586 737110 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sorry, it's just an old in-joke < 1367274597 186670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fioras are actually pegasi iirc < 1367274617 486679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you misunderstood THE VALUE OF SPEECH RECOGNITION < 1367274619 198513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are cleaning up the Bike storage in this building, it's got a load of old cruft in it. < 1367274639 875639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how mean. Bike isn't old cruft. < 1367274644 236355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k he is < 1367274644 815946 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pegasi? I think I prefer unicorns < 1367274648 866188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alicorns are pretty nice too < 1367274670 819383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uniikki unikorni olikin korni koni." < 1367274674 807475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is just fiona written with a shitty biro < 1367274680 124876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i already did that one didn't i < 1367274791 917994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover are you sure you want to be making fun of people's names < 1367274794 856269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you forgotten your name < 1367274830 116179 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's named after a ethereal vacuum cleaner < 1367274838 387557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean the other one < 1367274840 453272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/tagged/gpony seeeeeeeeeeee < 1367274843 776388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mmnmhmsdnhfmhgdfmghsmhmfgh one < 1367274845 756652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmhmdmgfdmghmh < 1367274850 599328 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can't argue with tumblr < 1367274850 806357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit Phantom_Hoover what was it again < 1367275076 936809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmrnmhrm < 1367275095 605520 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that an alien race in Star Control < 1367275111 64576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comment < 1367275131 617462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok but seriously what is it < 1367275140 564587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to grep the logs to find where fizzie revealed it < 1367275149 173469 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was something normalish followed by keyboard mashing < 1367275154 815453 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harryfjwe[uiofgheapiugh or something < 1367275181 828754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're thinking of adamhnan < 1367275187 527617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my fool's name < 1367275190 327729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i mean the other one < 1367275204 468095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wasn't it adhamhnain < 1367275205 526320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an i < 1367275208 46393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1367275224 57716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is also named after a search engine < 1367275402 9142 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367275406 352949 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this connection < 1367275426 398082 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's domhnall, to save you further consternation < 1367275457 7986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1367275478 457717 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truth is out < 1367275491 78093 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was already out, elliott just forgot it < 1367275604 538787 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367275623 8913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adahn. No, that was from Torment. < 1367275681 988591 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darksouls.wikidot.com/domhnall-of-zena me < 1367275688 208649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: how can you actually bear to have that name < 1367275698 528195 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some days i just don't know < 1367275719 150349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem so bad to me. < 1367275743 292581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: also how do i know you're not lying < 1367275748 896592 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i meet people it's basically "oh what's your name" "domhnall" "donald?" "domhnall" "dougal" "domhnall" "donor?" etc. ad infinitum. < 1367275766 479274 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who would make up a name like that < 1367275771 579923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: you < 1367275830 68438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a talent agency form that someone else was filling up. It specifies the HST rate which must be used. Does this mean the contract is void if the HST rate changes? Anyways, there is no more HST at this time (there was no HST at the time the form was sent, either). < 1367275848 578766 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, um no < 1367275856 249830 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domhnall_Gleeson also me < 1367275892 858712 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i thought "domhnall" was welsh < 1367275904 855134 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of... irish. ok < 1367275932 759128 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all celtic < 1367275935 808744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the skills list, it lists both "dj" and "disk jockey", and they misspelled "instrument" twice in two different ways; they also misspelled "secretary"; many things are missing. < 1367275958 897387 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i thing the whole domhnall-donald etymology is just goidelic or sth? < 1367276028 210398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says "rocking climbing gear" under "props", as well as juggling props; if you have balls that you can juggle, but you don't know how to juggle, does that count? (Anyways, some people juggle knife, fire, etc, too; not only balls) < 1367276093 621627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some rocking climbing gear you've got there. < 1367276400 367461 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367276405 211540 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367276432 490306 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367276450 999940 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367276835 61580 :nooga!~nooga@77-254-146-198.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1367276860 574604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: can i have some "monochrom wisdom" plz < 1367276874 930975 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1367276910 302755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like mnoqy wisdom except instead of mnoqy it's monochrom < 1367276945 90808 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.... < 1367277052 651984 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367277133 132518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-203-147.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1367277172 2707 :nooga!~nooga@77-254-146-198.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1367277176 402274 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm on my own... ;_; < 1367277304 492200 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1367277484 163313 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1367277486 81857 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1367277495 472841 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wrong window < 1367277556 747807 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: strangely, that is appropriate in this situation. < 1367277585 482527 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you resting peacefully < 1367277678 893331 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Taneb is. < 1367277682 402530 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not. < 1367277683 763241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1367277834 853406 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh god < 1367277839 100052 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will we do without him < 1367277907 53279 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1367277924 573439 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :our LD entry is due in 2h 34m < 1367278015 703086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting out fires is fun < 1367278025 433790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ld --entry=due < 1367278026 467032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld: no input files < 1367278029 276135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I think, if I hadn't noticed and fixed it, someone else would have eventually < 1367278257 574286 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where... was this fire < 1367278855 985382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not a literal fire. < 1367278909 465217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'putting out fires' IS an expression that can be used for things that are not literally fires, right? I'm not just losing my grasp of the English language? < 1367278913 455341 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't lead us on like that!! < 1367278938 791661 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1367278943 705364 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you'd offer some kind of context < 1367278948 615665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that we don't assume actual fires < 1367278953 270859 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see normally the thought process would be "well he would have done something that ridiculous → reëvaluate as humour → aha, that's what he meant" < 1367278963 234815 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wouldn't < 1367278994 275513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The build process was frozen during testing < 1367279003 825605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The build was going on for almost 30 minutes < 1367279004 220386 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in this case it went "well he wouldnt have something that ridiculous → would he → would he... → sgeo..." < 1367279029 925413 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might the cpu have eventually caught fire < 1367279057 201840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I aborted it and uploaded a patch, to tell the testing thing the thing it was choking on < 1367279070 725619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to ignore the thing it was choking on < 1367279421 367443 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good idea sgeo < 1367279448 66544 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aiui he saved the day so ya < 1367279463 908952 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get a party for yr heroic deed < 1367279499 96943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, there were no tests for the code, it's third party code. Also, I tried to make sure someone else knows about it to investigate < 1367279526 146945 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, imo a parade is in order < 1367279541 257097 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what is happening < 1367279549 877798 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeling... bad for mocking sgeo < 1367279657 859203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to know why the tests broke < 1367279666 567204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, the entire testing framework broke