00:03:50 MEANWHILE IN PAUL GRAHAM'S HEAD: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/legendary-vc-paul-graham-suspects-bitcoin-was-created-by-a-government-cm238901#.UXR-JbXWQ45 00:04:56 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:06:16 yeah bitcoin is needed for black ops 00:09:21 "I realize some of these explanations are pretty far fetched, but so is an individual cooking up bitcoin as an intellectual exercise 00:09:21 " no that sounds perfectly plausible to me 00:09:27 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:11:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:12:28 hi shachaf 00:13:28 hi kmc 00:17:04 do you have any thoughts or ideas which may cheer me up 00:19:48 why are you uncheered :( 00:21:39 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 00:24:27 I'm pissed off because I got fired and I feel I was treated poorly by the company 00:24:45 the reason given by the founders doesn't make sense and they refuse to elaborate 00:25:43 and my guess as to the real reason is infuriating if true 00:25:58 and these are people who I respected and thought of as friends before now 00:26:17 and also I'm dependent on them for practically any future job references because I worked with them at Ksplice as well 00:26:46 and i'm generally bitter 00:27:04 Blah. 00:27:06 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:27:30 and can't think of anything i want to do next 00:29:16 * Fiora hugs kmc 00:29:25 what do you guess the real reason is? 00:29:31 @hug kmc 00:29:31 http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug 00:29:50 thanks Fiora, shachaf, lambdabot 00:30:13 Surely there are other people at ksplice or that other company you worked at that you could ask? 00:30:23 a few 00:31:20 I don't think future employers will really interrogate everyone you ever worked for... I think mostly they just want a simple reference to call to check you worked there... 00:32:59 Fiora: the reason I suspect: they hired someone else at the same time as me, who turned out to be a bad employee, but they felt obliged to keep him because they'd convinced him to drop out of college to join them 00:33:11 and my patience with him ran out before everyone else's 00:33:18 so they got rid of me 00:35:03 I wasn't very happy there but I was trying to make it work, and they were very accommodating up until one day i'm fired 00:35:15 there wasn't any clear warning like "shape up or else" 00:35:18 harsh, man 00:35:38 -!- aloril has joined. 00:36:17 i got a lot done, I was #2 in terms of commits with a 3x margin over the next person (I know this is a shitty metric, but it's objectively verifiable and probably indicates that I wasn't a complete slacker at least) 00:36:19 kmc: I guess the upside of that is that they don't hate you or anything, I imagine? 00:36:28 i don't know! they won't tell me! 00:36:31 would you think they'd give you a bad recommendation out of spite? 00:36:38 for all I know I did something horribly wrong and they just won't tell me 00:36:42 oh >_< 00:36:45 eeesh 00:37:24 all they'll say is that is was based on "carefully deliberating about how I was doing at [company] for many months" 00:37:43 but I didn't receive any kind of warning or really much negative feedback at all during weekly meetings with my manager 00:38:54 that's... kind of really terrifying 00:39:02 just, out of nowhere, with no reason... 00:39:02 i don't think they would give me a bad review out of spite but like... i don't know 00:39:09 I thought I knew these people 00:39:14 now I'm sure I don't 00:39:20 and nobody you knew there will say anything? >_< 00:40:28 it wasn't totally out of nowhere, I was unhappy and they knew I was unhappy and I brought up various complaints, but like, I thought we were working on solutions 00:40:43 kinda sounds like something personal tbqh 00:40:47 but i don't know anything and you shouldn't listen to me 00:41:06 yeah I don't know 00:41:13 I tried to be civil even to this one person who I thought was a bad worker 00:41:25 I may have failed 00:42:19 -!- carado_ has joined. 00:42:30 weee 00:42:33 * Lymia is implementing bfjoust for a program 00:42:43 I think this is the most hack-filled code I've ever written 00:42:56 Like... implementing ] as a 0 tick command, and, inserting a nop before each one >_>; 00:43:20 kmc: i mean being completely opaque like that and refusing to elaborate is a pretty bad attitude, it doesn't really suggest to me that you might have done something legitimately awful (because then it would be very simple to point to it) 00:43:26 but, again, previous disclaimer, I know nothing 00:43:48 *nod* 00:43:58 i'm told that sometimes people are vague because they're worried about lawsuits and have nothing to gain from not being vague 00:44:02 that's why I think it was basically "he's lost patience with this other guy, we have to keep the other guy, therefore we fire him" 00:44:05 yes 00:45:25 things i am learning: don't convince people to drop out to join your company 00:45:39 things im learning: dont work at kmcs company 00:45:44 dont work with people 00:45:45 dont do it 00:45:49 I guess it could also be a bit of "it's easier to say nothing than to try to awkwardly try to dodge around things" 00:45:58 since they lose nothing by not talking to you 00:46:26 mnoqy: people are p. bad but maybe the alternative is worse?? 00:46:40 shachaf: maybe.... 00:46:50 but. you're really good, you should be able to find something else... I'd hope... 00:47:41 yeah I will be totally ok financially 00:47:45 that's not the worry 00:48:27 you're just worried you were doing something wrong, you don't know what it is, and you might do it again and it's just unsettling and nerve-wracking? 00:48:33 when you get fired don't you get like a two week grace period? or is that just for quitting 00:48:34 there's that 00:48:44 Bike: that's just for quitting and is also sort of optional 00:49:00 oh 00:49:07 in previous cases where I quit a job, I offered to stay for 2 weeks and they declined 00:49:28 Fiora: the "oh, people i thought i knew" aspect seems more thingy 00:49:32 also in most situations (and ianal etc) if you just quit on the spot they can be pissed off, they can give you a bad rec or whatever, but they can't come after you legally 00:49:32 Bike: do you really think america would guarantee anything for workers 00:49:45 elliott: i call it optimism 00:49:49 minimum wage!!!!! 00:49:56 oh, was this in america? then I retract my surprise 00:49:57 differs by state right 00:49:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment 00:50:14 yeah i figured you might not get legal anything anyway because of startup everything 00:50:14 elliott: well I think America actually does too much in terms of tying benefits to employment 00:50:15 mnoqy: US minimum wage is something in the region of $0/hour right 00:50:26 we should just have universal govt provided benefits and then let people do at will employment 00:50:27 it's like $8 (close enough?) 00:50:27 elliott: it's actually negative 00:50:33 minimum wage varies a lot by state 00:50:36 8 is pretty close to 0 00:50:43 just fill out the sides and you've got a zero 00:50:45 interestingly even in the states with higher minimum wage, cost of living more or less eats it up 00:50:47 it's $9.something where I live. (highest in the country) 00:50:49 a slashed zero admittedly 00:51:13 Well, cost of living varies a lot within a state too. 00:51:20 http://blakefallconroy.com/18.html 00:51:29 it's probably cheaper to live in my part of washington than it is to live in like seattle 00:51:50 i don't even know where kmc is 00:51:59 new england somewhere? 00:52:03 * Bike gestures vaguely 00:52:15 massachusetts 00:52:18 I don't understand how anyone is expected to live on $8/hr around here, a single-bedroom apartment is like $1500/month 00:52:20 nailed it 00:52:33 kmc: Good link. 00:52:35 Fiora: immigrants living 10 to an apartment 00:52:40 that's how it is in NYC anyway 00:52:40 ;-; 00:52:46 Chinatown still has Chinese people because they are willing to do this 00:53:28 as gas prices rise I wonder if McMansions in suburbia will become multi-family slum housing 00:53:28 elliott, fizzie 00:53:30 In BfJoust 00:53:38 (...{...}...{...}...)%n 00:53:40 Is illegal, right? 00:53:40 kmc: hopefully at least you have some friends out of work... even online? 00:53:44 yeah 00:53:46 I have friends 00:53:50 Lymia: right 00:53:54 also I'm sure there are many wealthy Chinese people in Chinatown 00:53:56 I shouldn't stereotype 00:54:19 kmc has friends?????? 00:54:21 (dont kill me) 00:54:22 haven't a lot of those already been abandoned? since, like, they were bought with subprime loans and so on 00:54:22 o snap elliott 00:54:29 yeah many 00:54:37 depends on the area 00:54:37 mcmansions are probably pretty good for squatting 00:55:03 i think my parents' subdivision in Iowa is still mostly intact, it grew maybe a bit before the craziest part of the housing bubble, and also it's not like anyone's fever dream fantasy to move to Iowa 00:55:12 compared to Nevada or Florida or California 00:55:37 i live near some subdivisions that were under construction when the bubble hit, there are still plenty of empty places 00:55:51 people want to move to nevada? 00:55:56 also a "village" area that has some commercial zoning too, it's actually sad 00:56:09 mnoqy: amazingly yes 00:56:19 kmc: the gap in prices between areas like that has always stunned me I mean, like, it makes sense, but -wow- 00:56:25 in my mind nevada is just the world's biggest desert with las vegas stuck in the middle of it 00:56:31 and both of those terrify me 00:56:33 you can get practically mansions for $200k in less desirable areas 00:56:36 nevada is miserable 00:56:37 but vegas moreso 00:56:40 and in an expensive suburb area $200k is the price of a garage 00:56:42 mnoqy: warm climate, no income tax 00:56:44 i don't understand how vegas can even exist 00:56:56 organized crime 00:56:58 it's just the most awful place to me 00:56:59 southern california is basically a highly irrigated desert too <.< 00:57:02 to summarize the history 00:57:03 i mean apart from the worse places 00:57:13 I really like the Mojave Desert, as a place to go to get away from it all 00:57:16 Bike: yeah but this is more like... a philosophical problem 00:57:19 don't think I would want to live there 00:57:24 it's not that i don't understand how it could have arisen 00:57:30 i've spent enough time living in southern california 00:57:31 also the nevada desert has other cities in it, that are like mini vegases 00:57:33 i just don't get how it is actually possible for a place like vegas to exist 00:57:38 Bike: Reno ;_; 00:57:57 and yes your idea of vegas isn't that inaccurate 00:58:03 the surroundings, i mean 00:58:19 * kmc flew TLV-RNO once 00:58:27 things i know about reno: 1. johnny cash shot a man there 2. REM went there 00:58:30 via... LHR and probably ORD or some shit, I was pretty out of it by the second stop 00:58:34 elliott: something something testament to man's willingness to flip off god something 00:58:40 But not enough time in Northern California! 00:58:45 there isn'ta 3 00:58:59 shachaf: indeed 00:59:01 maybe I should move to SF 00:59:06 it's looking more and more likely.......... 00:59:19 kmc: move to hexham 00:59:23 great plan 00:59:25 yes 00:59:28 hexham is literally the worst place to move to 00:59:30 move to finland 00:59:31 or helsinki (maybe slightly more viable) 00:59:43 it's a common myth that we hexhamites hate helsinki 00:59:47 helsinki is good 00:59:54 haha there's a wildlife range north of las vegas 00:59:59 "Desert National Wildlife Range" 01:00:00 what a name 01:00:20 alas google street view does not extend to wildernesses 01:01:02 helsinki is super expensive 01:01:09 but yes I might like to live there 01:01:09 kmc: http://blakefallconroy.com/11.html this is cute (re: your link) 01:01:17 i should end all my messages with (re: something) 01:01:25 kmc: you smell (re: your smell) 01:01:30 (WAS RE: COCKS) 01:01:40 i don't know if rent is expensive but like.... stuff is expensive 01:02:13 also the pub tram is expensive and like... what chance is there that I can avoid riding the pub tram on a weekly basis 01:02:16 well i mean fizzie lives there, and i can't imagine there is much money in speech recognition research [canned laughter] 01:02:22 wow the pub tram 01:02:25 helsinki truly is the future 01:02:26 [toilet flush sound effect] 01:02:37 should i go live in helsinki 01:02:49 [elliott enters the room, studio audience applauds wildly] 01:02:50 and/or the finnish army?? 01:02:56 that's an old calculator 01:02:56 don't live in the army 01:03:24 kmc: both canned AND fresh laughter 01:03:31 truly we are breaking down barriers 01:04:41 SF is pretty expensive these days. 01:04:47 seriosuly 01:04:52 seriously too 01:05:39 kmc: hexham is pretty cheap 01:05:41 uh i think 01:05:46 i really don't know 01:05:53 but i can't imagine it being expensive! i guess properties are 01:05:56 since it's all like rural and shit 01:06:06 do i have to buy a farm 01:06:12 i hope not 01:06:18 i mean it's not that rural 01:06:22 http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/2013/jhvhrdes3.jpg help 01:06:22 just a lil rural 01:06:28 got some buildings that are older than your country and so on 01:06:36 might even be in one now idk 01:08:23 a market town and civil parish 01:09:00 Hexham won the Town award in the 2005 Britain in Bloom awards. In the same year Hexham was also named * 'England's Favourite Market Town' by the magazine Country Life. 01:09:35 Bike: c.c 01:09:51 five points on a log plot that kind of fit a straight line 01:09:53 this has a geneticist as a co-author! 01:10:03 i mean, one who writes about biosemiotics, but come on 01:10:17 biosemiotics? sounds like hogwash 01:10:41 well uexküll wrote some good stuff 01:10:47 in the words of a wise philosopher, "Worms – oh my god WORMS" 01:10:54 yeah, basically 01:10:59 "... that studies the production, action, and interpretation of signs and codes in the biological realm." 01:11:10 the abstract to the paper talks about the technological singularity asodfuhqfsa 01:11:29 From within the Hexham Courant office a webcam over-looking Hexham Abbey can be viewed on the following website: Hexham Courant Hexham also has a town webportal called HexhamNet HexhamNet. It was first launched in October 2003 and continues to attract web visitors from all over the world. 01:11:29 so like genetic divination or something? 01:11:43 nah 01:12:07 uexküll was like a proto-cyberneticist and his stuff shows up in theoretical ethology sometimes 01:12:11 how is hexham so cute 01:12:34 mnoqy: elliott's influence hth 01:12:47 `seen oerjan 01:12:52 2013-04-18 07:14:37: CAPTCHA: Write a 200 word essay on why spamming should carry the death penalty. Be convincing. 01:12:55 unfortunately it... does get dumb sometimes. a lot of times apparently 01:15:09 elliott: hexham looks ""reasonably cheap" 01:15:13 maybe i should move there 01:17:49 how reasonable is reasonably 01:19:19 i can't tell it's in £..................... 01:19:36 double it 01:19:46 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:20:07 ok i just came to a profound realization 01:20:20 oh wow cool 01:20:34 way to go Bike 01:20:44 i used to think that people were saying "wait ago" 01:20:47 it didn't make sense 01:20:57 measuring organismal complexity by counting DNA base pairs is like concluding that microsoft word is More Highly Evolved than linux because the binaries are bigger 01:20:58 now i know that they say "way to go" but it still doesn't make sense :'( 01:21:11 "that is the way to go" 01:21:20 "continue going on this way you are presently going on" 01:21:53 Bike: dna codez is not written in the same way as computer codez............. 01:22:00 chance that microsoft word is actually more complex than linux? 01:22:09 last chance: should i see _The King and I (1956 film)_ or not 01:22:13 At first I thought you were talking about that idiot who thinks that we're gaining new strands of DNA in some glorious something-or-other, and points to some severely disabled kid as our future 01:22:27 shachaf: if 1956 means it's black and white, then no 01:22:30 shachaf: the inner joke is that the analogy is just as bad as measuring complexity by base pairs. 01:22:34 http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1cqs00/what_the_hell_first_child_officially_diagnosed/ 01:22:42 shachaf: see it. 01:23:11 oh, like PNA? 01:23:26 ascensionearth2012, are you serious 01:23:26 is this another one of sgeo clicks a link to sugggest you don't 01:23:27 Bike: The film? 01:23:30 by clicks i mean links 01:23:37 shachaf: yes. 01:23:50 is r/skeptic by any chance a forum where people shore up garbage to laugh at 01:24:09 elliott: are pounds sterling worth more than regular pounds 01:24:13 Bike, sometimes 01:24:30 shachaf: isn't one of those a unit of weight rather than a currency? 01:24:47 if so, it depends on the material 01:24:57 olsner: Are you thinking of slugs? 01:25:03 pounds are a unit of mass hth 01:25:10 or are they weight too 01:25:10 slugs are the worst unit 01:25:12 alright i clicked it. you win Sgeo thanks a lot. 01:25:34 shachaf: they're used both ways. fuck the imperial system. fuck imperialism fuck patriarchy burn the queen 01:25:42 wait, slugs are the unit of mass 01:25:48 yes 01:25:51 see: terrible 01:25:55 maybe ... mass but implicitly a weight in 1g gravity? 01:25:57 okay i just don't know how it works 01:26:05 i'll go back to kg hth 01:26:16 elliott: are you going to let Bike get away with saying that 01:26:23 without even devoicing him for it 01:26:27 "Read more about Alfie Clamp born with extra DNA in world first and see a picture of him at the Daily Mail." is every fucking news site an aggregator for everything else now 01:26:33 a slug is also a coin 01:26:47 a slug is also an animal you fucks!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:26:56 olsner: 1 gram gravity what that doesn't make any sense.. 01:27:01 A slug is also an identifier 01:27:16 -!- carado has joined. 01:27:28 -!- carado_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:27:31 sgeo i'm reading a daily mail article because of you 01:27:37 Bike: wow a slug is a bad unit 01:27:42 i looked it up 01:27:45 imo bad 01:27:45 yes 01:27:52 shame because they're a good animal 01:27:53 who even invented this unit and why 01:27:54 but a bad unit 01:28:16 don't even get what the link was for 01:28:20 shachaf: wrong g! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_gravity 01:28:26 like it wasn't to a comment... 01:28:37 because i mentioned DNA and the link was also about DNA?? 01:29:04 makes sense 01:29:10 olsner: come to think of it ½gt² doesn't make sense either. half a gram? 01:29:14 The blob is the inch version of the slug (1 blob = 1 lbf·s2/in = 12 slugs)[1] or equivalent to 175.126 kg. This unit is also called slinch (a portmanteau of the words slug and inch).[8][9] Slang terms are slugette,[10] and a snail.[11] 01:30:07 shachaf: is that a half gramsquaretonne? 01:30:13 Metric units include the "glug" in the centimetre-gram-second system, and the "mug", "par", or "MTE" in the metre-kilogram-second system.[12] 01:31:00 at least I'll have a software defined radio to play with soon 01:36:12 Bike: I think I might not see it. :-( 01:36:40 it? 01:36:54 The film. 01:37:04 :( 01:37:11 imo go see it 01:38:22 But it's in eat thing 01:38:41 oh. 01:38:44 yeah, eat thing. 01:38:51 Maybe I could do both. 01:39:13 bring in popcorn 01:39:16 munch on it loudly 01:39:40 Popping Hummus! 01:40:04 ok the paper doesn't do any stats analysis at all, it just says it fits the line 01:42:16 so of course a bunch of news outlets have headlines like "Moore's Law suggests panspermia" and shit 01:43:01 im so confused 01:43:10 isn't science journalism a beautiful thing 01:43:25 imo fuck it 01:43:57 does the 'ug' in slug / glug / mug stand for something? 01:44:17 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:44:27 it also cites "Darwin 1866". I choose to believe this refers to "The Movements and Habits of Climbing Plants" 01:45:20 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:57:56 maybe i should insist on formal performance reviews at my next job 01:58:06 startups don't want to do them because it's process and paperwork 01:58:12 but it seems preferable to being fired 9 months in out of the blue 01:59:35 if you have performance reviews you'd have to write in a fast language like C/C++ 01:59:40 c.c 01:59:41 instead of Java 02:00:00 i have absolutely no point btw 02:00:08 is this when you use "I,I" 02:00:26 what the fuck is i,i 02:00:45 an owl apparently 02:00:48 oh 02:00:49 it means 'i have no point, i just want to say' 02:00:54 maybe i should make friends with some science journalists 02:00:55 but maybe.... also an owl 02:01:11 tell them things like that it's ok for them to stop reading a paper if it's ugly 02:01:13 Huh. So the Press Release announcing Javascript suggested server-side Javascript. 02:01:27 well, i guess they probably just read the abstracts, if anything 02:01:57 "technological singularity"? the internet?? i'll write up an article IMMEDIATELY 02:02:09 what sort of people are science journalists anyway. the sort of people who'd be science journalists, i'd imagine... 02:02:13 this is what i imagine science journalists are like, and so i should meet some 02:02:26 instead of having this caricature i mean 02:02:50 oh, pz myers already trashed it for me 02:02:52 thanks man. 02:02:59 did someone say information superhighway 02:03:05 i don't like pz mysres but i forget why 02:03:08 i remember there was a reason 02:03:10 kmc: who invented i,i 02:03:27 http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2013/04/sillyorg.png behold 02:03:35 elliott: well he's kind of a new atheist 02:03:45 yeah but it was for a different reason 02:03:49 was it oerjan who started the I,I thing? 02:03:50 i think he's less... "shitty", as the kids say, than dawkins, but still 02:04:00 "new atheist"? 02:04:02 this was before i completely gave up on calling myself an atheist 02:04:11 mnoqy: you know. "people like dawkins" 02:04:16 ah 02:04:23 it's a "movement" or w/e 02:04:25 reddit atheists 02:04:30 right 02:04:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism 02:05:08 is "nonreligious" a good term to avoid being grouped in with them because that's what i've been going with 02:05:10 oh the quote in the intro is actually just antitheism. cool. that's cool 02:05:26 i think i settled on "nonreligious" but also it's like not something that actually comes up ever 02:05:29 i don't remember the last time i've even had to state my religious anything but i'd probably go with "atheism" 02:05:31 unless you talk about religion and why would you 02:05:37 just because... who cares 02:06:10 Cardinal William Levada believes that New Atheism has misrepresented the doctrines of the church.[19] He described New Atheism as "aggressive", and he believed it to be the primary source of discrimination against Christians.[20] 02:06:25 primary source of discrimination against christians 02:06:38 yep. have you punched a cross today 02:07:11 i got cross today (ha ha ha ha ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ahhaha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah0ah 09sadh sa09dh aiosdj ad jsaiodj saiodja;klweq4;kw4am6;kltr ) 02:07:16 qqqqqqqqqq 02:07:19 o 02:07:20 oko 02:07:20 okoko 02:07:21 hello. 02:07:21 okokoko 02:07:24 no your uined it 02:07:27 don't you know anything about okoing 02:07:33 nope 02:07:36 oaky it goes like this 02:07:36 o 02:07:39 oko 02:07:41 okoko 02:07:41 okokoko 02:07:43 okokokoko 02:07:46 okokokokoko 02:07:48 okokokokokoko 02:07:51 okokokokokokoko 02:07:53 okokokokokokokoko 02:07:56 okokokokokokokokoko 02:07:58 okokokokokokokokokoko 02:08:01 o 02:08:03 fuck 02:08:15 also you have to type tim 02:08:18 *it from scratch each time 02:08:37 imo fuck this 02:08:50 no it's real good 02:08:51