00:00:00 I was hoping that just requiring X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest would be enough 00:00:01 this kind of thing is why GitHub moved the user generated pages to github.io like last week 00:00:07 maybe it is 00:00:25 people also mitigate CSRF by checking the Referer header 00:01:14 Django's CSRF middleware does that automatically if the request was sent by HTTPS 00:01:35 referer :( 00:01:38 why does it exist 00:01:39 (because in that case you have no excuse for blocking the Referer header as a legitimate user) 00:02:21 my excuse is that it's awful 00:02:22 "Verifying that the request's header contains a X-Requested-With (used by Ruby on Rails before v2.0 and Django before v1.2.5), or checking the HTTP Referer header and/or HTTP Origin header... These protections have been proven insecure under a combination of browser plugins and redirects which can allow an attacker to provide custom HTTP headers on a request to any website, hence allowing a forged request" 00:02:27 and i hate it 00:02:28 Sgeo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_request_forgery with links 00:02:35 the ambient authority of cookies is awful 00:03:42 Is there a chance that the plugins could be patched to not allow that? 00:03:57 Considered a security vuln. of the plugins, not the sites? 00:03:59 i do'nt know which plugins 00:09:10 -!- mnoqy has joined. 00:13:06 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 00:17:43 daily mail: "worst U.S. terror strike since 9/11" 00:17:49 leave it to the daily mail to keep some levelheaded perspective 00:18:08 about an event which has killed 0.1% as many people as 9/11 00:18:19 are there any confirmed deaths yet? 00:18:22 yeah, two 00:18:22 or confirmed anything, really 00:18:23 daily mail is english right? 00:18:25 aw :( 00:19:06 2 dead, 130 or so injured, some seriously, some not 00:19:35 doesthiswork: yeah 00:19:50 they're the british right wing anti immigrant propaganda tabloid 00:20:29 so what's up 00:20:33 like what is going on 00:20:37 i mean i know what is going on 00:20:39 but also what's up 00:20:41 am i making sense; help 00:20:45 no hth 00:21:40 whats up 00:21:52 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:22:07 also i guess shooting up a theater or an elementary school is not a 'terror strike' if it's done by white people 00:22:30 do we even know if it's by white people 00:22:34 like do we even know if it's by people 00:22:38 robots O_O 00:22:43 no i don't think anyone knows 00:24:35 NY Post put out some BS information, didn't they? 00:24:41 probably 00:24:45 they are shit too 00:24:47 @messages 00:24:48 fizzie said 18h 10m 13s ago: TANK U 00:25:15 man this site is enterprise as shit but they made a dragonfly so i really want to read it 00:25:24 http://www.festo.com/rep/en_corp/assets/pyramide_layout_und_freisteller_500px.jpg agh 00:25:38 so I had an idea, what if functions only took named arguments but when they returned, they created variables to hold their return values. It'd be just like using a package and exporting some things from a package. If any of the variables they tried to create already existed it would be a compile time error. 00:26:26 Advanced Technologies 00:27:58 doesthiswork: interesting 00:28:04 what if you, like, want to call the same function twice 00:28:30 seems like the caller should specify the return variable names, and then it's more like pattern matching / destructuring bind 00:28:35 you alias the names 00:29:04 also, only taking named arguments doesn't seem relevant, until you do a CPS transform, at which point it's kind of elegantly dual 00:29:12 you can also choose to only import certain names, or not to import certain names 00:29:29 yeah I've got cps on the brain 00:30:06 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: http://corewar.co.uk). 00:30:32 cerebral programming style 00:32:10 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 00:33:09 Cigar passing style 00:34:08 cigar puffing style 00:34:52 being angry that the Daily Mail sucks is like being angry that piss tastes bad 00:35:12 the ny post also seems to suck 00:35:34 yes 00:35:40 http://25.media.tumblr.com/a569e1a271d960682bd6bbc784b67680/tumblr_mlbhcoRios1r4o8jvo1_500.jpg seriously fuck 00:35:52 it's owned by news corp / murdoch 00:36:02 Bike: yeah... 00:37:01 his excuse was "Sarcasm, idiot." 00:37:10 "Rush proceeded to address his critics on Twitter with a series of profane responses" 00:37:13 really doubling down 00:37:28 i was actually saying we should /create/ all muslims 00:37:31 keep up stupid 00:40:22 thanks a lot doesthiswork 00:40:51 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 00:41:34 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 00:41:57 -!- Bike has joined. 00:43:23 yeah ok this guy is seriously angering me. someone tell me a thing that isn't terrible 00:44:08 http://marginalrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Violence-Stylized-2.png 00:44:21 "with the aim of improving the functionality of technical systems" because this isn't doing it 00:44:24 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v Bike. 00:44:29 oh that's pretty good 00:44:40 http://marginalrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Homicide-Table.png 00:44:44 that's like, per thousand? 00:44:57 that's per 100,000 00:45:02 oh. 00:45:06 i don't know how this factors in war 00:45:12 espresso brownie sundae with bacon on top 00:45:14 and genocide 00:45:14 can we have a second graph for epa 00:45:18 I don't think war is usually counted as homicide 00:45:22 the intentional death rate in europe 1936-1945 was very high 00:45:29 it's the opposite of terrible 00:45:40 shachaf: environmental protection agency? 00:45:54 shachaf: don't get got 00:45:55 kmc, why are there so many estimates for the 17th century?? 00:46:23 Bike: The very same. 00:46:31 do they often kill people 00:46:57 killing the american small business 00:49:28 I... at first I thought the large text was sarcasm 00:49:36 I didn't read the tweet at the top of the image 00:49:53 welcome to twitter, i guess 00:50:14 welcome to the internet and/or world and/or people 00:50:35 welcome to languages which are read from top to bottom 00:50:49 welcome to boustrephedons 00:50:59 and he claims it was sarcasm 00:51:13 apparently he "recently predicted Obama will have Christians declared mentally ill and ship them off to asylums" which would make him about as cogent as jack chick 00:51:53 Oh, apparently it ...was sarcasm? 00:51:54 "Hypothesis proven: Libs responding to "kill them all" sarcasm neglect fact that their precious Islamists say the same about us EVERY DAY." 00:52:04 fizzie: doesn't eliot.png look like the face of someone you can trust <-- excuse me but that person clearly has a goatee. 00:52:08 the kind of sarcasm where you actually mean it 00:52:27 oerjan: observe the beautiful goateeless https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/el-op.png 00:52:45 Sgeo: see it's sarcasm because what he actually meant is to go back in time and create all of them. 00:53:10 elliott: um, i see a goatee 00:53:17 is it true that elliott is good with kids 00:53:34 when will they stop persecuting christians in this country?!?!? christians only make up 87% of congress and every president ever and most heads of big businesses and anyone else with power 00:53:51 kmc: those are reptiles. technically reptiles cannot be christian 00:54:13 yeah that's leviticus 9:17 00:54:18 n.b. have not read leviticus 00:54:38 kmc: you must be christian then 00:54:38 i'm pretty sure there's actually a clause to the effect of "snakes? fuck 'em" in there, at least 00:54:42 It's possible to persecute a majority. But it's pretty blatantly not the case here 00:54:47 :D 00:55:03 Sgeo: yeah, it tends not to happen as much in representative democracies though 00:55:16 Bike: pretty close to the beginning, i recall 00:55:40 also some of the presidents were secret deists 00:55:48 wel that's just that particular serpent 00:55:57 kmc: s/secret/wrote and published books about it/fuck grammar 00:56:02 that too 00:56:18 how do they come up with the english names and/or pronunciations of the bible 00:56:20 it's pretty nice that that tripoli treaty was specifically like "yeah no moslems are ok" 00:56:34 shachaf: thousands of years of illiteracy 00:57:20 *yeah, no, 00:57:45 Such is an illiterate Earth. 00:57:47 It's possible to persecute a majority. But it's pretty blatantly not the case here <-- see: Ngo Dinh Diem 00:57:48 illiterra see, illiterra do 00:58:07 or rather hear because they can't see language? i guess? 00:58:08 it is amusing that meddling in the middle east was literally the first US foreign military action 00:58:14 it's a proud tradition of ours 00:58:24 hmm, is tunisia the "middle east" 00:58:38 eh 00:58:41 it's west of a good part of europe 00:58:43 i guess they coulda been half-berber 00:58:45 islamic, anyway 00:58:52 err half-arab* 00:59:23 'Some 98% of modern native Tunisians are from a sociological, historical and genealogical standpoint mainly of Arab and Arab-Berber descent, but the overwhelming majority simply identify themselves today as Arabs' 00:59:29 dunno about in the 18th century 00:59:37 well yeah, today, i'm kinda curious about back then though. 00:59:49 i guess they probably have been arabized for a while now 01:01:04 the Umayyad Caliphate conquered most of north africa 01:01:16 u mad caliphate 01:01:17 i'm sorry 01:01:19 i'm so so sorry 01:01:23 look i hate myself 01:01:23 and some of spain 01:01:28 but i couldn't stop 01:01:32 the keys just typed themselves 01:01:36 elliott: i laughed. help. 01:01:39 the keys are practically next to each other 01:01:42 kmc: yeah that's what i was thinking. it's been a while. 01:02:03 anyway they were fairly poor and also brown so foreign policy jokes go 01:03:05 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/The_world_in_750_CE.PNG 01:03:53 lol europe 01:04:02 yeah 01:04:03 * Phantom_Hoover tries to remember what that one empire that had, like, some crazy fraction of the human population was 01:04:12 that'd be a lot of them 01:04:27 wikipedia has a list, i think the highest percentagewise was the achaemids (spoiler: i misspelled this) 01:04:28 i like 'japan' 01:04:32 yes 01:04:33 them 01:04:43 40.something%, i think 01:04:52 achmenid 01:05:01 was japan actually that unified in 750 ce 01:05:16 Yeah, that woulda been before warring states, at least 01:05:23 also more bombing news from britain http://i.imgur.com/CBSSGlDh.jpg 01:05:35 a classy publication 01:05:36 "The Nara period (710–784) of the 8th century marked the emergence of a strong Japanese state, centered on an imperial court in Heijō-kyō (modern Nara). " 01:06:21 srivijaya's lookin' pretty sweet too 01:06:32 Bike, i like how there's a clear progression of actual news, SEX, PAEDOS 01:06:49 journalism! 01:07:06 this reminds me how little we know about the songhay 01:07:23 wait i meant ghana. argh 01:07:35 songhay more like so gay amirite 01:07:44 these maps often make kinda arbitrary distinctions 01:07:57 i don't know how centralized power was in the umayyad caliphate 01:08:15 "The Songhai are thought to have settled at Gao as early as 800 CE, but did not establish it as the capital until the 11th century, during the reign of Dia Kossoi. " accurate map 01:08:39 also africa on that map... 01:08:43 basically 'some africans lived here' 01:08:54 well i mean, to be fair 01:09:03 look up the ghana empire. we know like, their name. that's about it 01:09:08 russia sort of the same 01:09:17 i don't know why the finns and the slavs and such don't get colored blobs 01:09:22 maybe they didn't have a military or something 01:09:23 kmc 01:09:25 but the magyars get a blob! 01:09:28 fuck the baltics weren't even christianized yet 01:09:32 there are a bunch of blobs in africa... 01:09:36 were they all vikings or something 01:09:54 oh man "bantus" 01:09:58 just kinda there 01:10:09 "Turkic Peoples" 01:10:20 you don't even get an ethnicity, you get a meta-ethnicity 01:10:32 turk-ish 01:11:06 it's pretty hard to make borders though 01:11:16 like i know a bit about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala_(Southeast_Asian_political_model), you have to be really gradual 01:11:27 you could have a town that is technically in three different "empires" 01:11:32 i like how the turkic peoples are nowhere near turkey 01:11:42 <+Bike> elliott: i laughed. help. <-- how sad, now you're both going to be killed by terrorists right? 01:12:10 wow i... don't actually know how the turks ended up in turkey, now that you mention it. 01:12:29 shachaf, Fiora: i finished my self-potrait of Fiora 01:12:31 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/fiora.png 01:12:37 probably they wanted their name to make sense 01:12:50 you said youd do one of me :( 01:12:51 mnoqy: nailed it 01:12:52 Bike: interesting link 01:13:06 mnoqy++ 01:13:19 Fiora: look at mnoqy's self portrait of you, it's good 01:13:55 i like how all of mnoqy's portraits are a standardised size 01:14:02 it's the gimp default 01:14:05 yes 01:14:15 kmc: i have a book on the history of burma. it's pretty crazy. there are maps that use marching time as their metric because the terrain is so impassable 01:14:17 that size looks more like..........landscape to me 01:14:25 mnoqy whers my portrait...... 01:14:30 Phantom_Hoover: next, probably 01:14:35 Phantom_Hoover: you're not cool enough for a self portrait 01:14:37 sorry 01:14:44 im miles better than fizzie 01:14:49 er 01:14:50 Fiora, 01:14:59 im not even close to fizzie obv. 01:15:07 if you were better than fiora why does she have one more portrait than you? 01:15:14 come on, man, we weren't born yesterday. 01:15:18 Bike's logic is good 01:15:34 Bike: ★ "for your logic" 01:15:43 thank! 01:15:48 when you earn five stars you can trade them in for a star 01:16:38 mnoqy: hang on hang on 01:16:46 did i "misinterpret" that self portrait 01:16:48 Bike, well you do have voice 01:16:57 because i though that gray thing on the left was an elephant 01:17:13 but now it looks like it might be intended to be a cat tail instead of a trunk . . . . . . 01:17:27 it's a cat with a rose for a head. science has gone too far. 01:17:40 just asked a question and answered it in the same irc session 01:18:21 -!- Bike_ has joined. 01:18:24 oops 01:20:43 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:20:56 -!- Bike has joined. 01:21:12 "Turkic peoples and related groups migrated west from Turkestan and what is now Mongolia towards Eastern Europe, Iranian plateau and Anatolia and modern Turkey in many waves." this is unhelpful 01:21:41 Bike: your connection sucks 01:21:47 yeah it does :< 01:22:01 <+Bike> wow i... don't actually know how the turks ended up in turkey, now that you mention it. <-- they conquered it hth 01:22:42 -!- Bike_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:23:09 this is why you should use a bouncer. then you can be cool and have an IPv6 address 01:23:13 that is at least 20% of the reason I use one 01:23:19 that seems unrelated 01:23:24 just call me 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd 01:23:26 -!- Bike_ has joined. 01:23:32 bye bike, hi bike 01:23:37 kmc: well since it is not the future, my home internet connection does not support ipv6 01:23:44 but my server does 01:23:57 hi mnogqyasdf 01:24:02 e111:077a:1337:h4x0r: 01:24:26 also what ever happened to IPv5?!?!? there's something the federal reserve isn't telling us 01:24:43 oh moldova has an autonomous turkish area 01:25:04 also 01:25:10 apparently i am connected to a server in lithuania 01:25:20 a good server? 01:25:25 i think i have known exactly one person to live in lithuania ever 01:25:29 so i'm not convinced it exists... 01:25:48 the intercity bus in lithuania was pretty nice and had a seatback entertainment system powered by android, full of pirated music and movies 01:26:14 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:26:16 haha 01:26:18 i don't even know where lithuania is 01:26:18 cute 01:26:25 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 01:26:33 Phantom_Hoover: somewhere in europe 01:26:35 looks like this thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Stream_Protocol is de facto IPv5 01:26:38 like everywhere else you don't know where it is 01:26:42 Phantom_Hoover: it's baltic. 01:26:54 "The protocol was notable for introducing the concepts of... a talkspurt" 01:27:07 which, if you don't remember, means in that area in the north of russia's garbage heap 01:27:47 it's next to poland and belarus and latvia and kaliningrad 01:27:49 man i forgot that moldova has a major soviet party 01:27:49 hth 01:28:00 oh moldova..... 01:28:09 it's basically the former soviet part of romania right 01:28:19 more or less 01:28:29 our romanian guidebook had a short section on moldova that basically said "don't go to moldova, why would you go to moldova" 01:28:39 "Another communist party was founded in 2012, the Communist Party of Moldova (2012) (CPM), which claims that the PCRM isn't actually communist but social democratic." not hardcore enough 01:28:49 needs more hammers and/or sicles 01:28:56 [sic]les 01:29:11 kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCRM_logo.png you don't understand. 01:29:30 that looks like an icon from a 1990s desktop application 01:29:35 hahaha 01:29:43 U+1F490 COMBINING SICKLE TO THE LEFT; U+1F491 COMBINING HAMMER TO THE RIGHT 01:29:47 COMMUN~1.EXE 01:29:51 but yeah moldova also has a part in the east that's separatist and sort of ruled by the russians 01:29:56 very georgia, maybe 01:30:01 sucks / not surprising 01:30:20 oh because ukraine is in the way and is much more western aligned 01:30:31 that's trouble 01:31:18 also since i'm looking at a map of russia: the road system is impressively hub-and-spoke around moscow 01:32:15 -!- Bike_ has joined. 01:35:11 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:35:34 MALCOLM.EXE 01:42:49 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 01:43:22 kmc: what about the rails? 01:44:35 don't know 01:44:46 here is a 1910 map of US railroads though: http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/2000/2090/2090.htm 01:45:21 (and steamships) 01:45:24 wowwwww 01:45:33 it looks like skin 01:46:16 shachaf: I AM DISAPPOINT 01:46:17 your skin is fucked up 01:46:33 it is :( 01:46:38 (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f490/index.htm) 01:47:09 oerjan: Sorry. Should I have picked U+1F494? 01:47:36 YES 01:48:12 well that or an _actual_ combining sickle, naturally. 01:49:01 wow there are unicodde chafacters for yellow haeart and purple haert 01:50:04 Neither of them look purple nor yellow 01:50:06 fail 01:50:33 i'm sure there are some characters that people put in new charsets just to mess with the unicode people. 01:51:07 mnoqy: probably from emoji 01:51:25 hm this book doesn't have a list of figures. there is no god 01:51:33 thanks's emjoe 01:51:52 Bike: i think that's a little strict judgement of god even by my standards. 01:52:14 look, i read the bible once, i think i know what i'm talking about 01:52:22 the whole bible???? 01:52:35 yep 01:52:37 always and forever 01:52:41 oh this is the train pic i was looking for before http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beach/fig18-27.jpg 01:52:53 um the bible isn't a book Bike it's a metaphor 01:52:54 was it any good. a good read. 01:53:05 you can't read a metaphor 01:53:17 Not really, no 01:53:24 the bible isn't a book, it's like somebody stapled together a bit of a legal code, a phone book, some erotic poetry, and a fantasy novel 01:53:26 kmc: light rail 01:53:32 and then said 'here this is all very important' 01:53:43 you forgot the geneaology 01:53:47 begat begat begat 01:53:51 that's the phone book 01:53:53 i assume 01:53:57 ok i guess 01:54:11 tbh i think the bible could have used more erotic poetry 01:54:15 kmc: btw that is a book 01:54:17 shachaf: i think you can read metaphors if you use the right drugs 01:54:17 you just mean it's not a novel 01:54:33 oerjan: does deconstructing them count 01:54:33 well it's also divided into books. 01:54:44 is one of them the bible 01:54:51 the bible, book 4: the bible 01:55:02 sort of like lotr 01:55:02 I already made a joke about Aczel sets and the bible sorry 01:55:10 where does "bible" appear 01:55:16 The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower 01:55:26 ironically the character of the bible never appears in the bible 01:55:47 she's in the talmud though, iirc 01:55:58 movie of the bible where they say "isn't this some kind of... bible?" at a critical moment 01:56:03 and everyone in the audience cheers 01:56:08 ++++++++ 01:59:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_work#Lost_texts_referenced_in_the_Old_Testament fuck, i forgot how many books the bible talks about 01:59:46 and none of them are the bible! 02:00:31 The Acts of Solomon is a lost text that may have been written by the Biblical prophet Iddo, who was the author of other lost texts. The book is described in 1Kings 11:41, where it reads: "And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?" 02:00:58 is this new to you elliott 02:01:02 no it's just 02:01:04 the way it's worded 02:01:04 old books are /really/ repetitive 02:01:06 i'm typing 02:01:09 If you liked The Bible, why not check out: The Acts of Solomon? Featuring all the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom! 02:01:18 ok that was pretty good 02:01:18 it's like they put an ad in the middle of the bible 02:01:21 so great 02:01:36 "Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?" i'm seeing a pattern here 02:01:50 the publishers were like 02:01:54 is it possible that the authors of the bible were actually huge shills 02:01:55 this book isn't nearly commercial enough 02:02:01 can you put a bunch of product placement for our other books in 02:02:21 "Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually." i'm pretty sure they just cutpasted this shit in 02:02:23 trying to push the Acts of Solomon to the soon-to-be-religious demographic right now 02:02:55 just did some s/Solomon/Rehoboam/ and called it a day 02:02:56 Bike: i like that P.S. there was war 02:03:20 well it's the old testament 02:03:25 "PS there was war" is basically implied 02:04:42 "The Acts of Solomon is a lost text that may have been written by the Biblical prophet Iddo, who was the author of other lost texts. " gotta feel sorry for that dude 02:05:04 if you liked acts of solomon, why not read the acts of rehoboam? oh wait you can't they're gone 02:05:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:05:42 probably iddo really sucked and nobody wanted to presreve his books 02:05:48 because he was boring and just wrote lists of everyone's acts 02:05:54 and he died sad and alone :( 02:06:23 focus groups didn't enjoy the Acts of Iddo 02:07:35 hahaha that's great 02:08:14 mnoqy: omg XD 02:08:36 mnoq: hey how about a self portrait of kmc 02:08:40 (with permission only) 02:08:44 http://media.tumblr.com/d2108a4a121d07af135c4d1890c100c6/tumblr_inline_mkkcrro4ra1qz4rgp.png I like my adventure time self portrait 02:09:04 kmc: does mnoqy have permission to draw a self portrait of you "if it comes to that" 02:09:12 yeah sure i have black wings, what of it punk 02:09:14 yes 02:09:18 self portrait away 02:09:21 i wonder wht you'd make a pink sword out of... 02:09:22 Fiora: nice 02:09:25 mnoqy: you gotta do kmc 02:09:34 magic? flowers? some kind of toxin 02:10:12 "Book of Bai Ze (simplified Chinese 白泽图; pinyin: Bái Zé Tú). A guide to the forms and habits of all 11,520 types of supernatural creatures in the world, and how to overcome their hauntings and attacks, as dictated by the mythical creature, Bai Ze to the Yellow Emperor in the 26th century BCE." i think we're missing out, people. 02:10:41 http://media.tumblr.com/83c724dcca643c2efc6a029da862aca2/tumblr_inline_mg1lv9akWr1r9jirc.png and this one (I love these little things) 02:11:03 i just can't get over the argyle 02:11:12 i would like a self portrait of fungot 02:11:12 elliott: berkely is in california distance yes, it shouldn't be that hard 02:11:19 eventually mnoqy will start charging for these 02:11:28 i should make a list of people to self-portrait 02:11:46 i'd hang a mnoqy self-portrait on my wall 02:11:49 alright. made a list 02:12:26 am i on it 02:12:32 with a little checkmark next to my name 02:12:40 what's wrong with argyle :< 02:12:41 you already got one!!! i can make you another if you want 02:12:49 Fiora: nothing, i just always notice it. 02:12:55 wait i meant on the list of already done self portraits 02:12:56 * Bike likes wearing plaid 02:12:58 this is a list of "todo" portraits 02:13:03 I have like an argyle sweater or two 02:13:08 you're on the already done list, yes 02:13:08 but it would be "a big honour" if you made another one 02:13:12 ✓ shachaf 02:13:14 ✓ eliot 02:13:14 Fiora: also: i assume your hair actually goes past your feet 02:13:19 ✓ other ppl 02:13:28 only on chibi-me :P 02:13:45 in reality, fiora's hair sticks straight up 02:13:48 irl my hair trails behind me, engulfing all in its wake 02:13:50 for several feet 02:14:02 in reality Fiora is bold and daring 02:14:02 whole families, buildings have been devoured by the onslaught of hair 02:14:16 Fiora: your self portrait is in the topic of your channel now 02:14:23 my hair's like that too elliott. it's hard to find good conditioner 02:14:26 and everyone left :'( 02:15:01 hm the foundational text of that prechristian atheism thing is gone too. shame 02:15:26 irl my hair is... like. normal long straight black hair? <.< 02:15:44 well, yes, it's just funny to imagine eraserhead!fiora 02:15:55 Bike: i've been thinking about getting my hair cut but i'm worried that i may be unable to negotiate with a government to provide the necessary land to house the remains 02:16:08 -_- 02:16:18 itt itt 02:16:25 Hey, hey. Eraserhead was a great film. 02:16:32 elliott: imo use force 02:16:41 «Inventio Fortunata (also Inventio Fortunate, Inventio Fortunat or Inventio Fortunatae), "Fortunate, or fortune-making, discovery", is a lost book, probably dating from the 14th century, containing a description of the North Pole as a magnetic island (the Rupes Nigra) surrounded by a giant whirlpool and four continents.» what in the heck 02:17:00 everyone thinks i have black hair but it is actually dark brown 02:17:02 truly i am a tortured soul 02:17:25 help what colour is my hair 02:17:37 oops that extra u made that line not line up with elliott's line 02:17:40 therefore british spelling is false 02:17:41 trick question; shachaf is actually bald 02:17:47 "Greenland was first settled at the orders of King Arthur, whose army supposedly conquered the North Atlantic islands"??? 02:17:54 mnoqy: did you see that picture the other day.............. 02:18:04 shachaf is rainbow 02:18:18 i posted a picture of me being bald in #-lens 02:18:26 oh i didn't see that 02:18:26 but that was the past 02:18:33 was it good 02:18:39 the past? p. good 02:18:41 when does dark brown hair become black? like, is there a line 02:18:49 there are no boundaries anywhere. 02:19:02 well i think it's fairly obviously brown if you like look closely at it 02:19:06 there is a line and it's receding 02:19:09 the joke is hair 02:19:25 hair colour is weird though 02:19:29 also eye colour. everything is weird 02:19:35 http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcsizoQl8s1r9b6l2o1_500.gif 02:19:49 actual picture of fiora 02:20:00 (have you considered: a comb) 02:20:00 help i'm reading about human hair colour on wikipedia 02:20:10 Bike: XD 02:20:19 elliott: uh there's no article for that on wikipedia 02:20:32 elliott: there's an article about human hair color though, maybe you're reading that 02:21:27 "The hair color of mummies or buried bodies can change." ok 02:23:37 Bike: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/Jolteon/Avatar%20Requests/hyouka.gif fiora_and_bike.gif 02:25:12 are we dancing 02:25:18 _The 35th of May_ (or _Conrad's Ride to the South Seas_), by Erich Kästner 02:25:19 yes it's the "shake" 02:25:21 imo read it 02:25:42 it just looks like i'm shaking my head back and forth rhythmically 02:25:53 fiora's rhythm is different though. this is a hard dance. 02:25:57 you're being shaken/shook 02:25:58 -_- 02:26:02 also i like how i look entirely boring. 02:26:06 :P 02:26:09 very accurate 02:26:12 (you're not actually boring) 02:26:19 (i look boring) 02:26:20 am i boring 02:26:25 bicycles: the most boring species 02:26:38 real bike has rainbow tassels and a ringy bell 02:26:41 I'm just saying you could replace me with a tape recorder saying what I say and you wouldn't be missing anything 02:26:52 ring ring 02:26:55 well, i guess you'd be missing typing 02:26:58 but a tape recorder can't talk back 02:27:02 it can't hear me 02:27:05 it doesn't have feelings :< 02:27:09 No, see, the tape recorder knows everything you say in advance. 02:27:16 Or well the thing that's taped does. 02:27:19 it's from a science fiction 02:27:25 I might not have thought this out sorry 02:27:47 is it considered rude to ask a Bike how many gears they have 02:27:53 is that like asking someone how big their ass is 02:28:10 are fixies discriminated against in bike society 02:28:16 I'm not sure? I mean, having more gears is often considered better 02:29:00 yeah, fixed bikes really are discriminated against, from what I hear. the whole thing really grinds me gears 02:29:01 fixies are kind of dumb but they often make up for it by sheer force of will 02:29:07 they can be really skillful 02:29:08 *grinds my gears 02:29:29 no, no, keep talking like a pirate. 02:29:40 did pirates use bicycles 02:29:41 http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md103vVfUl1rks9x0o1_500.gif fiora and bike read papers.pdf.gif? 02:29:43 i've heard praise of fixys by virtue of they're simpler to repair them yourself 02:29:45 "The first draft of Thomas Carlyle's The French Revolution: A History was sent to John Stuart Mill, whose maid mistakenly burned it, " what, how did you... 02:30:01 Fiora: we don't seem all that focused on the papers. 02:30:19 so, accurate! 02:30:24 <.< >.> 02:30:25 pff 02:31:49 mnoqy: yeah and less likely to break in the first place 02:32:09 mnoqy: so they're called fixies because 02:32:11 mnoqy: they're easier 02:32:12 to 02:32:13 fix 02:32:16 lololol 02:32:20 : D 02:33:06 'why the long face' 02:33:34 maybe it's related to the fact that he sounds kind of horse 02:33:35 joke shame 02:33:51 what's the fixed point of a broken bicycle 02:33:54 a fixed bicycle 02:34:16 i wanted to say / why the long face 02:34:59 "Several pages of the original screenplay for Werner Herzog's Aguirre, der Zorn Gottes were reportedly thrown out of the window of a bus after one of his football team-mates threw up on them." 02:36:04 and maybe you don't need so many gears for flat city riding? 02:36:10 but i can't really imagine riding without a freewheel 02:36:16 you can't coast on a fixie. 02:36:55 do they offer fixy+freewheel 02:37:03 i dunno what it's called 02:37:06 that'd be, like, a trike, right 02:37:06 maybe just single-speed bike 02:37:26 freewheel refers to the ratchet action on the rear wheel 02:37:39 if the rear wheel is moving faster than the chain, it's not coupled to the chain 02:38:25 hm i guess with a trike you don't even have that problem because you likely don't have a chain there in the first place 02:38:45 so much easier! 02:38:48 is Bike a Trike 02:38:56 we've been over this 02:39:14 so yes or no 02:39:19 no. 02:39:22 It's vestigial. 02:39:22 okay 02:39:36 imo tell that third wheel to go away and stop being a third wheel 02:39:59 no slurs, please 02:40:52 Fiora: so are you watching that anime now or are you just infatuated with the protagonists and their lack of psychotic anime hair 02:41:16 umm she was just the character daki compared me to. or at least like, found a gif and was like "this is youuuuuuu" 02:41:37 I'm not sure I'd like it, it's kyoani <.< but 02:41:37 yeah but you had two gifs! 02:41:48 yes I like, googled them 02:42:01 sounds complicated 02:42:07 @google hyouka hair gif 02:42:09 http://www.donmai.us/posts/1180806 02:42:09 Title: chitanda eru and oreki houtarou (hyouka) - Danbooru 02:42:21 I just gis'd 'filetype:gif eri hyouka' 02:42:32 wow that actually worked. 02:42:37 I don't have amazing google-fu or something (is that what they call it?) 02:43:00 he looks pretty out of it in this one though 02:43:09 @google another hyouka hair gif 02:43:10 http://www.donmai.us/posts/1180806 02:43:10 Title: chitanda eru and oreki houtarou (hyouka) - Danbooru 02:43:17 google!!!! no!!!! 02:43:19 I don't think google is wolfram alpha 02:43:31 @google another (DIFFERENT) hyouka hair gif 02:43:33 http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hyouka%20ova 02:43:33 Title: hyouka ova | Tumblr 02:43:40 thank you 02:45:13 apparently this guy can't smile 02:45:15 perfect pick, fiora 02:45:42 biiiiike ._. 02:45:57 well to be fair 02:46:00 have you ever seen a bike smile 02:46:13 if yes: where do you buy your bikes 02:46:21 h-he seems to be happy sometimes.... 02:47:08 http://elitechoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/joyrider-smile-cycle.jpg 02:47:16 elite choice bike's 02:47:24 http://25.media.tumblr.com/4806bc39c25f231a1d3f2902c41144ac/tumblr_mhplttabZ11rf0u54o1_500.gif "sure, water. whatever." 02:47:37 elliott: i think monqy's got you here 02:48:18 it has 2 smiles that's twice as happy as any person can ever be 02:48:39 except for conjoined twins, maybe 02:48:45 those smiles are going to get a headache when someone rides the bike 02:49:50 i used to think "siamese cats" meant two cats that were connected together 02:49:51 at the tail 02:50:44 Same. 02:50:49 101 Dalmations was rather confusing. 02:51:10 oh no you thought that too?? 02:51:15 yep 02:51:15 what other things did you use to think 02:51:56 btw you're a native english speaker so we hold you to a higher standard 02:51:57 I used to think that being experiencing being abducted by aliens was logically impossible, because they'd just make you forget everything, which would prevent the experience from ever being experienced. 02:52:19 makes sense 02:52:48 I remember... 02:52:54 Bike: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3r8l4w/ 02:52:55 I remember there were no questions. 02:53:16 kmc: Yeah, see, now imagine that he's seven 02:53:26 kmc: whoa, dude 02:54:32 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:54:42 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 02:54:55 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:56:44 Answers, yes. There were answers to everything. 03:11:05 shachaf: did you get the proof to the riemann hypethosis plz 03:24:06 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_programming_language&curid=53398&diff=550452129&oldid=547527561 confuses me, the summary says Wierd -> Weird but it's not actually changed. (and of course shouldn't be.) 03:26:30 omg omg omg omg omg 03:26:33 bsg expansion 03:26:41 wat 03:27:53 the expansion of bsg is "billing services group" 03:27:57 hth 03:28:02 thx 03:28:16 battlestar galactica, i'm guessing 03:28:31 that's only two words 03:28:44 it's science fiction. 03:28:55 battle stargalactica 03:28:58 -!- evincar has joined. 03:29:17 that just moves the initialism from BG to BS 03:29:31 probably not an improvement 03:29:57 bike is correct 03:30:10 http://fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=4076 03:30:19 my usual state of being 03:30:47 bgtbg "battlestar galactica the board game" 03:31:31 probably this is one of those nerd things eh 03:32:18 -!- doesthiswork has left. 03:34:50 only spammers active on the wiki 03:35:05 (unsuccessfully, but still) 03:35:16 would you like to sort it out 03:35:46 some day elliott will snap 03:36:55 no, this is my post-snap state 03:37:00 ah. 03:37:59 i'm sorry, that cannot be correct, i'm still not an administrator 03:38:07 hth 03:38:11 and *I'm* still not an op. 03:38:20 despite my attractive & well-designed campaign self-portrait 03:38:32 well ais523 hasn't commented on it yet 03:40:10 i grudgingly accept your response 03:40:23 should ask lament too 03:40:34 that man can surely appreciate a good self-portrait 03:40:52 itt elliott goes overboard 03:42:34 oerjan I've been over every board 03:42:36 snapped them, also 03:42:45 ok 03:50:29 what kind of beer should i buy 03:50:44 i read that as bear 03:51:14 "QUESTION: What kind of bear is the best" 03:51:44 kmc: paulaner hth 03:51:47 that's a really grizzly question 03:52:53 Fiora: no need polarizing this 04:06:06 -!- evincar has left. 04:06:29 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 04:07:39 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/USRail1835.jpg to get from Boston to DC in 1835 you'd take a train to Providence, a boat to New York, a train to Philadelphia, a boat to Wilmington, a train to Chesapeake Bay, a boat to Baltimore, and a train to DC 04:08:10 could you just ride a horse 04:08:27 yes 04:08:35 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 04:08:35 riding a horse a long distance is pretty hard isn't it 04:08:42 horses are slower than trains, this was determined empirically at some point 04:08:45 fly a horse 04:08:53 ride... a bike 04:09:00 don't be ridiculous Bike. 04:09:04 Fiora: I think so; you need places to swap out fresh horses, or else further delay while your horse rests 04:09:07 you also need to feed it 04:09:37 i guess there were like horse rental places then 04:09:59 horses are easy if you just have due diligence 04:10:34 yeah i'm not sure how it works to rent a horse 04:10:35 "Festo is promoting this holistic system approach by ensuring that functional integration and the reduction of external interfaces are integrated into intelligent system solutions." help me 04:10:48 in a situation where you won't be seen again for months 04:10:56 whoa whoa whoa 04:10:58 i think in 1835 04:11:02 you just wouldn't go from boston to dc 04:11:04 you might need to put down substantial collateral 04:11:08 because it'd be too much fucking work 04:11:10 elliott: yes that would be the wisest course of action 04:11:13 and also 04:11:20 it's 1835 so probably there is nothing of interest in DC whatsoever really 04:11:23 hm 04:11:25 that might apply in 2013 too 04:11:31 i bet travelogues of the period don't even mention this 04:11:42 in the same way you don't mention every time you take a shit, i mean 04:11:46 what if you're elected to congress though 04:11:53 what a fucking chore that would be 04:12:12 kmc: i like how that makes it sound as if it's something that could happen involuntary 04:12:15 ily 04:12:19 "oh shit, i've been elected to congress again" 04:12:24 "time to rent a horse" 04:12:34 elliott: well lets see, the british had burned it down about 20 years prior 04:12:47 "maybe i can get that fucking railroad thing working" 04:13:01 kmc: yeah, I'm remembering the whole pony express system now 04:13:34 see they just say "horse and carriage" but that's not very fucking descriptive 04:13:34 (wasn't that, like, an early example of "startup that sounded really cool, but required a lot of infrastructure and ended up not making money despite being really cool) 04:13:50 heh, maybe 04:13:57 railroads were also like that a lot of the time 04:14:10 i think i only know about the pony express at all from lot 49 04:14:12 elliott: hm i think you could theoretically get elected to the norwegian parliament against your will. not a smart move by the party to list you, but still... 04:14:14 probably not a good source 04:14:41 oerjan: that would be the best 04:14:41 (well, not "you" specifically here, since you're not a citizen.) 04:14:44 oh 04:14:45 Oh, maybe you could hire a coachman to take you 04:14:49 it was better when i thought you meant even a non-citizen 04:15:21 'Included in that 20 pounds (9.1 kg) were a water sack, a Bible, a horn for alerting the relay station master to prepare the next horse, a revolver, and a choice of a rifle or another revolver.' 04:15:41 this is my new packing list 04:15:43 two revolvers please 04:15:57 elliott: what if you have to hit something at range..... 04:16:06 kmc: i can't hear you over the sound of having two revolvers 04:16:19 then he ventriloquists the bullet by using the horn 04:16:23 heh 04:16:32 put the horn on the front of the revolver 04:16:34 like a reverse silencer 04:16:35 the wild west is basically like nethack right 04:16:45 see they just say "horse and carriage" but that's not very fucking descriptive <-- i hear they go together like love and marriage. 04:17:04 ok i give up 04:17:11 Fiora: wow I didn't know it operated for only 18 months 04:17:14 http://www.festo.com/ someone help me find the fucking papers i can't find them through all the bullshit 04:17:32 "Product innovation" 04:17:58 oh, interrupted by civil war 04:19:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pony_Express_Poster.jpg i love this style where it's like USE EVERY FONT YOU HAVE 04:19:42 old-style advertising and posters are amazing 04:20:20 The more fonts you have the better. 04:20:21 http://sciencebasedpharmacy.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/snake-oil-circa-1903.jpg 04:20:22 Clearly. 04:20:34 man 04:20:36 I feel spoiled 04:20:37 What the fuck, a dollar? How much was, like, a loaf of bread? 04:20:41 a dollar 04:20:47 everything costed a dollar 04:20:48 A dollar to ride a horse across the fucking country with your stupid mail 04:20:51 it's far too easy for me to watch videos of parliament 04:20:57 Bike: I'd guess it's like $100+ nowadays? 04:21:08 Fiora: the genuine article. 04:21:12 oh. maybe 04:21:16 http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi says $25.18 04:21:22 still that's just surreal to imagine 04:21:26 coppro: are they interesting 04:21:31 was it subsidized? 04:21:38 well they put a lot of letters on one pony 04:21:40 (was anything subsidized, back then) 04:21:50 kmc: well, it's parliament 04:21:52 it was like fedex overnight mail today 04:21:57 I'm guessing 04:21:59 kmc: so sometimes yes 04:21:59 same sort of thing? 04:22:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Affiche_MrKite.jpg 04:22:19 wait... ten days is all it took, huh. 04:22:35 does anyone know what ordering relation on CPOs is used to form a CPO of CPOs 04:22:36 I guess oregon trail stuff is based around moving a good deal slower 04:22:42 (please interpret that question like I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing) 04:22:55 chief petty officer 04:22:56 Bike: yeah cause you're hauling your whole house along in a bunch of stupid wagons 04:23:01 right 04:23:12 Bike: The thing is, that's 10 days over a made road, going as fast as you can. 04:23:14 don't forget stopping now and then to kill 900 pounds of buffalo 04:23:15 it's just like i've been across the country on land and it wasn't ten days 04:23:27 wait. actually it might have been. hm 04:23:42 google says it's a 43 hour drive from NY to SF 04:23:43 stupid "being ten and obsessed with mario" aspect 04:23:47 Versus several months going over rough country in wagon train, just trying to fucking get there. 04:23:56 that's with no stops 04:24:21 kmc: We can install a catheter and an IV line with an amphetamine drip, right? 04:24:33 yes 04:24:38 cathether / just pee in a mcdonalds cup 04:24:46 Fiora: oh man the snake oil ad has a testimonial. awesome 04:24:52 Bike: I knowwwww 04:24:54 old snake oil ads 04:24:55 those kind of thing 04:24:57 they're so amazing 04:24:59 Can your car go for 43 hours 04:25:11 it's pretty common to see plastic water bottles filled with what looks like pee lying in ditches at the side of the road 04:25:18 gross but true 04:25:30 Jafet: If I steal the Prius. :P 04:25:37 well there's a good chance it's just wildlife'd 04:25:41 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:26:10 also i went back and checked the burma book i mentioned, it claims on flat ground a healthy person can walk 25 km in six hours a day 04:26:39 says they would carry 20 pounds of letters on a horse, which comes out to $16,000 in 2012 dollars 04:26:44 nice 04:26:50 Bike: That seems a bit low actually. 04:27:05 is that for an indefinite number of days? 04:27:22 Indefinite number of days, also assuming military grouping and, I assume, supply lines 04:27:31 Ah, that would do it. 04:27:32 carrying loads of stuff? 04:27:38 yeah 04:27:44 I was just gonna say, "... I... walk faster than that" 04:27:50 kmc: but seriously, I could download like the entire proceedings of parliament since September '09 04:27:57 -!- fizzie has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:28:02 coppro: sounds like a fun weekened 04:28:14 get drunk and watch parliament on 9 screens at once 04:28:19 also whose parliament 04:28:38 pikhq_: yeah, obviously there's going to be a difference between one driven person and a bunch of disinterested soldiers 04:29:38 hm, wolfram says at that speed it'd be 166 days to get from NYC to san fran as the crow flies 04:29:40 -!- fizzie has joined. 04:29:45 Soldiers carrying a shit-ton no less. 04:30:23 It might also be factoring in pillaging time, i dunno 04:30:24 Weight makes rather a huge difference. 04:31:10 also estimated from the topography that in a particular part of eastern burma, the topography would reduce it to 50 km in 3 days 04:31:19 good sentence. yes. good construction 04:33:45 what's this book about burma about 04:34:28 Shaving 04:34:28 People outside the states and empires, basically. 04:34:52 it's titled "The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia" but i swear it's not idiotic 04:35:20 anyway so that means factors like how effectively a state could control an area come into play, etc 04:40:16 does it cover through the colonial and communist era too 04:41:12 No, it's premodernity, which is one of the reasons I like it (it doesn't get bogged down in political sniping, i mean) 04:41:27 it offhandedly mentions things like KMT holing up in burmese mountains, though 04:42:11 part of the thesis is also that colonial things like telegrams and trains make it easier to exert state power. 04:43:05 seems likely 04:43:12 the british built a shit-ton of railways in india 04:43:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_at_the_China%E2%80%93Burma_border (the CIA was involved, i'm sure you're shocked) 04:45:43 huh 04:46:05 not so many trains got built in africa though 04:46:53 http://mappery.com/maps/World-Railways-Map.png 04:46:55 I seem to remember from history class that the brits were kind of pissed about not getting a continuous route from the north to south africa during the great game 04:47:12 mm 04:47:14 Is that modern railways? 04:47:26 i think that's current yeah 04:47:51 wow, europe 04:47:52 -!- mnoqy has joined. 04:48:14 didn't know cuba has such a rail network 04:49:05 huh, "the graveyard of empires" is an established nickname for afghanistan. that's pretty badass 04:49:51 http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/afri1914.gif Yeah, you can see the Germans had a block on British pathways. 04:50:12 the nursing home of empires 04:50:33 the playground of empires 04:50:36 the playpen of empires 04:50:45 I still love that Ethiopia is just chilling. 04:50:49 some more bad-ass names 04:50:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Liemba 04:50:55 Colonialism. Psh. 04:51:05 mnoqy: thx 04:51:26 the germans and the british shipped some boats to Lake Tanganyika by road and rail so that they could have naval battles there 04:51:50 excellent 04:52:19 ...what, it's a working ship dating from the kaiser 04:52:35 also in 1917 the germans attempted to resupply German East Africa by zeppelin 04:52:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin_LZ_104 04:52:58 'Because it would be impossible to resupply the airship with hydrogen gas upon its arrival in Africa, it was planned that no return trip would be made. Instead, it was projected that every part of the ship be cannibalized for use by Lettow-Vorbeck's bush army. The outer envelope would be used for tents, muslin linings would be bandages, duralumin framework would be for wireless towers, and so on.' 04:53:05 that's fucking badass 04:53:14 jesus. 04:53:39 "how would you like to go to africa forever" 04:53:52 i believe that was the basic premise of colonialism 04:54:51 "The crew also suffered from headaches, hallucinations and general fatigue in the mid-day heat and freezing cold at night." this sounds ripe for a film adaptation 04:55:13 i probably wouldn't want to go to africa forever 04:55:20 Bike: yes 04:55:36 have you all heard of that silly mars thing? now that's some pop culture i can get into 04:56:03 like... the planet? 04:56:07 do you mean the fake thing 04:56:17 fake thing???? 04:56:21 that mars one hoax thing 04:56:29 no i mean uhh 04:56:30 I'm pretty sure Mars exists. 04:57:24 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/The_End_of_the_%27Baby-Killer%27.png 04:57:55 Is this for real? 04:57:55 Yes it is! Mars One has been working on this project in secret since January of 2011. It has taken us until May 2012 to expose it publicly because we are then certain of its technical feasibility and means of finance. 04:57:59 "totally not a hoax, guys" 04:58:09 sounds legit 04:58:14 wow mnoqy i said 04:58:16 the mars one thing 04:58:17 and you said no! 04:58:30 anyway looking at the wp article there's enough people who are "real people" involved that i guess it probably isn't a hoax 04:58:37 instead it can just be impractical 04:59:43 Chris Welch, director of Masters Programs at the International Space University has said "Even ignoring the potential mismatch between the project income and its costs and questions about its longer-term viability, the Mars One proposal does not demonstrate a sufficiently deep understanding of the problems to give real confidence that the project would be able to meet its very ambitious schedule." 04:59:50 Space tourist Richard Garriott stated in response to Mars One, "Many have interesting viable starting plans. Few raise the money to be able to pull it off." 04:59:57 man, how would you like to be a space tourist 05:00:12 international space university!!!! 05:00:19 it's like we're in the future. the space future 05:00:41 the sputure 05:01:06 it's kind of a shame space is unpleasant and awful 05:01:08 with Bike Bagel 05:01:17 really takes the appeal out 05:01:28 "The protagonist of O Olho de Hertzog, a 2010 novel by João Paulo Borges Coelho, set in post-WWI Mozambique, arrives in Africa by jumping from the airship in a parachute." 05:01:45 nice 05:02:08 what the shit, a permanent mars settlement by '23 05:02:28 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Mars_Excursion_Module.jpg Artist's conception of the Mars Excursion Module (MEM) proposed in a NASA Study in 1963. 05:02:35 "A global reality-TV media event is intended to provide most of the funds to finance the expedition. It should begin with the astronaut selection process (with some public participation) and continue on through the first years of living on Mars" you sure this isn't a joke 05:02:56 sucks to be halfway to mars and then the dodgy startup sending you goes into receivership 05:02:59 they had some real low quality green screen video thing on their website like a year or two ago 05:03:05 it was really hoax-looking then 05:03:48 I think if you take money from people (or investors), it can be called a scam 05:04:35 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Mars_mission.jpg artist's life on mars, circa 1989 05:04:53 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Manndmissiononmarsnasa.jpg cgi invented by 2009 05:05:23 oh man! look at those cavemen go, it's the freakiest show 05:05:42 So... why do they want to do this 05:05:57 mnoqy: "in the past 20 years, we've learned that mars vehicles need good suspension systems" 05:06:34 all these people are just standing around like 'welp we're on mars now' 05:07:11 'guess i'll stand next to that tower of varying size spheres' 05:07:13 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Concept_Mars_colony.jpg this one's pretty cute 05:08:02 hydroponic technology will provide our mars astronauts with the dankest bud imaginable 05:08:15 What is it with all the blue jumpsuits 05:08:21 oh they have a solar thermal energy tower, that's cool 05:08:33 I guess only instituted people would want to go to mars 05:08:38 mnoqy: is that supposed to be a computer that spacenaut's holding 05:08:53 A spacecomputer 05:08:58 "Wired Magazine gave it a plausibility score of 2 out of 10 as part of their 2012 Most Audacious Private Space Exploration Plans" 05:11:04 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:11:12 does mars have radiation protecting belts 05:11:16 meanwhile the International Space University includes "Lectures covering all major disciplines related to space, with corresponding workshops and roundtables," and "Specific skills training" 05:11:21 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:11:30 looks like no 05:11:33 awkward 05:11:40 "IDEAS for Africa: Identifying and Developing Effective Applications of Space for Africa" 05:11:57 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 05:11:58 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:12:11 hahaha 05:12:13 that's a bad backronym and they should feel bad 05:13:21 imo we should make AFRICA an acrony 05:13:42 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/TerraformedMars.jpg artists went kind of crazy on this one 05:14:13 A Friendly Real Imaginary Crap Africa 05:14:25 just like real real africa 05:14:37 or so i've heard 05:16:25 anyway i'm gonna check out these IDEAS to see what's up 05:16:33 The report identifies new ways in which innovations from the space industry could enhance the lives of Africans. It focuses in particular on South Africa, Morocco and Liberia and evaluates the impact, distribution and utilization of spinoff technologies, satellite applications and space business potentials in improving the socio-economic development of these countries. 05:17:01 astronaut ice cream 05:17:23 clearly the greatest innovation from the space industry 05:17:32 oh jesus this is 164 pages 05:17:45 lots of ideas 05:17:47 with smiling africans and an elephant on the cover i dunno if i can handle this 05:17:58 is it a space elephant 05:18:07 are there cartoon rockets 05:18:09 are there real rockets 05:18:12 are they in space 05:18:19 btw all the projects have names like this. FERTILE Moon: Feasibility of Extraction of Resources and Toolkit for in-situ Lunar Exploration 05:18:31 m-hmmmmmmmmmmmm 05:18:37 "Human Missions to Europa and Titan – Why not?" 05:18:45 HMETW 05:19:05 MISSION: Multi-mission Innovative Space System for an Information Optimized Network 05:19:19 "A new term for the integrated systems needed to support a human society on Mars, is presented. The potential applications of nontraditional and oftentimes controversial methods are examined to support the settlement of Mars. Specifically, the authors focus on the integration and application of advanced technologies in fields like genetic engineering, biotechnology, robotics and terraforming, before the end of the century." it's just like my a 05:19:47 it's just like your a[cuts off but i'm guessing you meant "animes" that's what they all say i can assure you] 05:20:07 Good call. 05:20:59 Hm, there are actual Africans involved. That's good. 05:21:25 are you sure they're not fake africans 05:21:45 "Nzekwe" seems pretty legit 05:22:30 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/ISU_SSP12_poster.jpg 05:23:01 whoa is that a cape 05:26:09 in two weeks i get to vote in a \rainbow{SPECIAL ELECTION} 05:26:37 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:27:00 what makes it special 05:27:04 -!- augur has joined. 05:27:16 i wonder if this cyborg paper is going to be like the original cyborg paper 05:27:33 mnoqy: \rainbow. 05:27:45 cyborg paper? 05:27:54 is it like 05:27:59 half robot, half paper 05:28:06 yes. 05:29:14 i searched for cyborg paper and the first 2 results are sites selling...uhhh.... 05:29:20 Order "Cyborg" Essays and Thesis Research Writing 05:29:20 Buy Purchase 'Cyborg' essays for a degree and examine MLA format essay writing services for argumentative term papers based on 'Cyborg'. 05:29:24 -!- btiffin has left. 05:29:27 Free cyborg Essays and Papers 05:29:28 Free cyborg papers, essays, and research papers. ... Your search returned 49 essays for "cyborg": These results are sorted by most relevant first (ranked search). 05:29:58 I didn't get anyone selling anything when I googled it. :/ 05:30:09 A Manifesto for Cyborgs Paper by Mightystudents.com 05:30:09 Paper Topic: A Manifesto for Cyborgs . A Reflection of the Cyborg 's Manifesto. The Cyborg Manifesto 's general idea is that under different definitions , all of us could be considered cyborgs . 05:30:11 mnoqy what have you been googling..... 05:30:24 this is ddg silly goose 05:30:52 what have you been goosing.... 05:30:56 mnoqy: held at an unusual time, to replace John Kerry who left the Senate to be Secretary of State 05:31:23 ah, a politics thing 05:31:36 Cyborg - Essay - Krscasey - Free Term Papers, Research Papers ... 05:31:37 Read this essay and over 1,100,000 others like it now. 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Hence, to dismiss the idea of terraforming a planet - at some point in the distant future - may be akin to dismissing mankind's genius for conquering the apparently impossible." why is every space thing like this 05:33:39 "Terraforming from a Buddhist perspective" nevermind, this paper is awesome 05:33:44 Essay on spiritual cyborg - Essays and Papers Online - Direct ... 05:33:45 An essay or paper on spiritual cyborg. We are letting our lives be controlled by technology. The advances that are being made are destroying any belief that religion and tradition alike hold. Technology has traditionally evolved as the result of human needs. Invention will always rise-up to meet ... 05:35:00 AlienCyborgs 05:35:01 "Utilitarianism vs. Humanism: Humans as a Means?" 05:35:02 ALIEN CYBORGS VERSUS Which one of these would you rather watch? The Riddick series or the Game of Thrones series and why? Take into account the Books, ... who meets Paper?! 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Many of these stories about characters swiped from television, movies, or other mass media revolve around queer erotic narratives. Captain Janeway and the cyborg Seven of Nine from the show Star Trek: Voyager have become a common lesbian pairing, part of the fan fiction explosion that occurred with the popularization of the internet 05:46:11 are you reading wikipedia's article on fanfiction? XD 05:46:25 No, it's someone's thesis, monqy just linked it. 05:46:42 Apparently it was accepted for credit. 05:46:47 `addquote LIST OF ACRONYMS: List Integrating Some Terminology Of Fine Authentic Credibility Relating to Our New Year Media System 05:46:56 1032) LIST OF ACRONYMS: List Integrating Some Terminology Of Fine Authentic Credibility Relating to Our New Year Media System 05:47:42 SniffCode.com : Cyborg Fashion 05:47:43 In real life Cyborgs don't need sunglasses anymore than they need eyes... and these Exposé mannequins don't either. Consequently, a large black layer of X-Ray paper smothers their eye sockets. 05:48:01 Cyborg 05:48:01 Cyborg. Everything has been done. There are no new ideas left. Paper is wood? Do you recognise this face? Do you agree lace is lovely? 05:48:16 You can’t initially decide to buy a PhD thesis when you learned that you are going to be making a PhD thesis. There are still students that are self-motivated and believe that they have to come up a PhD thesis with their own efforts. You have to see to it that buying a PhD thesis is your last resort when all attempts are exhausted. Besides, you already have undergone undergraduate and master thesis. The format used in master thesis is practically 05:48:22 The cyborgs are coming! The cyborgs are coming! : Awful Library Books 05:48:23 this is great Bike 05:48:23 Submitter: "Includes chapters entitled "The Cyborg — and Why," "Cyborg Revolution," "Cyborgs in Space," and strangely, "Hypothermia." No lie, I had to do a paper on cyborg feminism last semester... 05:48:31 days turn to nights turn to weeks turn to paper into rocks into plastic 05:48:41 elliott: i know 05:49:28 Essay: Cyborgs 05:49:29 Sample Essay. Cyborgs are defined as part human part machine bodies in which human organs and mechanical and No hidden charges. the price you see is the final cost for all custom papers. 05:49:29 elliott: i still don't understand how it exists though 05:50:57 "For the purposes of this project, it was assumed that the Mars Convention, which appears as an appendix to this document, would be ratified and put into force by about 2020 and that a terraforming Authority would be established after the first human mission to Mars." 05:50:58 cyborg-syll 05:50:58 (how can one be a feminist and/or queer cyborg? a labor-activist cyborg? a politically committed cyborg?). 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The purpose of this paper is to examine the cyborg element of Facebook... 05:53:44 Paper Cranes 05:53:44 #babies #cyborg 009 #yes good. 05:54:25 see often i kind of want to know more about cyborg theory and stuff 05:54:27 but then this shit comes up 05:55:16 Coolest Homemade Costumes - Web's Largest Costume Gallery 05:55:17 Coolest Homemade Costumes » Toilets Turds and Toilet Paper. 05:55:31 don't think i'd want to visit a place called Quarantine, Staten Island 05:55:44 saten island??? 05:55:59 HowToBeADad.com - The entertainment website for parents... or anyone... 05:55:59 Newspaper. 05:56:00 satin island 05:56:03 kmc: honestly pretty sure i'd go 05:56:37 wait, was it like, for the old sense of quarantine? letting sailors hang out on the island for forty days before letting them in 05:56:49 i don't know 05:56:52 is that what they did 05:57:13 that's the etymology of "quarantine". 05:57:29 Jesus is Returning as a Cyborg, title page 05:57:29 Jesus Is Returning as a Cyborg: On the Origin of Digital Species by Topher Dean Maraffi, 2009. 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If you do not find your term paper, you can search our essay database for other topics on the search page essays. 06:05:45 Amber Case: We are all cyborgs now | Video on TED.com 06:05:45 And then they write a paper, and maybe a few other anthropologists read it, and we think it's very exotic. Well, what's happening is that we've suddenly found a new species. 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Search Term Papers, College Essay Examples and Free Essays on Essays24.com - full papers database. 06:09:10 Cyborg Coupons, Cyborg Coupon Codes, Cyborg Online Coupons 06:10:05 help ive wasted over a ha lf hour on this 06:10:27 you can stop at shrek2cyborg 06:10:32 pretty sure nothing will top shrek2cyborg 06:12:56 Though Mars is much smaller than Earth, its land surface area is about the same because it lacks oceans. Although, a sea about the size of the North Sea on Earth may have recently been discovered. 06:13:29 this channel gets p. weird sometimes 06:13:45 it does... >_< 06:13:48 pff like when 06:14:36 is kmc an ocean? 06:18:30 the biggest crater on phobos is called "Stickney" who came up with that 06:35:05 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 07:26:49 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:32:54 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:40:27 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: tire). 08:04:58 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:05:08 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:07:49 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:08:16 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 08:20:42 -!- jconn has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:21:57 -!- fftw has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:24:39 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:25:16 -!- copumpkin has joined. 08:25:23 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 08:37:05 There's a village near here (Boston) called Stickney. It has a massive car boot sale... 08:37:31 Maybe there's some connection. 08:40:31 Phobos looks silly. Proper moons are rounder than that. 08:40:54 Esp. that Stickney is a giant dent. 09:11:51 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:12:34 -!- carado has joined. 09:53:13 “Shklovsky's "Hollow Phobos" hypothesis” 09:56:16 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Page closed). 10:06:18 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:19:29 -!- Lymia has joined. 10:19:29 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 10:19:29 -!- Lymia has joined. 10:20:35 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:21:01 @messages? 10:21:01 Sorry, no messages today. 10:24:45 -!- Zerker has joined. 10:26:53 -!- carado_ has joined. 10:37:49 -!- Zerker has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 10:38:38 -!- Zerker has joined. 10:39:40 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:51:21 -!- Zerker has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 10:52:41 -!- Zerker has joined. 11:01:52 -!- ais523_ has joined. 11:02:29 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 11:03:03 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 11:09:04 -!- Jafet has joined. 11:46:31 -!- carado_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:49:05 ais523: elliott: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/el-op.png [...] and *I'm* still not an op. despite my attractive & well-designed campaign self-portrait well ais523 hasn't commented on it yet 11:49:12 100% most important issue of the decade imo 11:49:31 hmm 11:49:33 -!- Zerker has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 11:49:39 now you can spend the next half-hour trying to persuade me to click a link 11:50:27 surely oerjan wanting you to see it for #esoteric-op-related-reasons is a good enough reason?? 11:50:36 it would be irresponsible *not* to click it 11:51:02 no, he wanted me to /comment/ on it 11:51:43 it's even more irresponsible to make an official comment pertaining to something about which you know nothing 11:52:39 make an unofficial comment ais523 and everyone will be happy 11:53:00 -!- Koen_ has joined. 11:53:10 quintopia: I don't think elliott will be 11:53:19 -!- Zerker has joined. 11:53:26 well, everyone that matters anyway 11:54:05 ais523: actually, I would be perfectly content with you officially abstaining from comment! 11:55:09 -!- Gregor has changed nick to PonyPonyPony. 11:55:22 PonyPonyPony: what happened to "Friendship"? 11:55:42 19:56 Answers, yes. There were answers to everything. 11:55:44 20:11 shachaf: did you get the proof to the riemann hypethosis plz 11:55:50 ais523: It's still magic. 11:55:54 oerjan: the answer is no, hth 11:56:03 oerjan: (to your question, that is) 11:56:17 it is still optimal 11:56:30 and caelum est still conterrens 12:01:35 -!- Zerker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:15:08 -!- conehead has joined. 12:15:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:30:18 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:30:40 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:31:19 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 12:31:20 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:37:25 http://fatiherikli.github.io/brainfuck-visualizer/ 12:37:54 The rounded-rectangle cursor is very Web 3.11. 13:02:53 -!- boily has joined. 13:05:04 -!- boily has quit (Client Quit). 13:12:18 -!- boily has joined. 13:12:45 -!- metasepia has joined. 13:31:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:55:25 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 14:09:13 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:10:00 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:14:24 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 14:16:06 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Client Quit). 14:40:16 -!- Bastiano_84 has joined. 14:40:39 -!- Bastiano_84 has quit (Client Quit). 14:41:09 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 14:49:14 -!- Taneb has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:52:25 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:53:13 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 14:55:07 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:04:05 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 15:06:55 -!- Bike has joined. 15:07:39 -!- Benat has joined. 15:19:38 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:22:02 hello?... ello?... llo?... lo?... o?... ?... 15:22:10 Hi 15:22:16 oh! someone else! 15:22:35 I was worried it was disguise-a-channel-into-a-necropolis day. 15:22:45 There is only silence and some second-hand clothes. 15:22:53 -!- carado has joined. 15:23:45 hi 15:23:54 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:25:40 `welcome Benat 15:25:45 Benat: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:32:23 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:32:31 -!- carado_ has joined. 15:33:44 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:33:58 Hello 15:35:39 -!- jconn has joined. 15:35:40 * boily gives some silence and second-hand clothes to AnotherTest 15:35:56 it's disguise-a-channel-into-a-necropolis day. 15:36:34 oh... right... 15:39:47 * impomatic drops by to see if anyone's talking about Esoteric programming... 15:40:24 So I saw this brainfuck derivative today... 15:40:40 by the way, is that revolution 9 page still up? 15:40:41 and guess what? It was really similar to brainfuck. 15:41:31 if you take the integral of it, do you get the original bf? 15:42:43 i think integrating BF gives you P'' 15:42:54 presumably after that you get P' 15:42:58 whatever that is. 15:44:03 Fiora: Assuming that it wasn't a subset 15:44:41 or maybe like, BF + C 15:44:44 <.< 15:50:13 ~eval pbkdf2 (Password . toOctets $ "SqueamishOssifrage") (Salt . toOctets $ "SodiumChloride") 15:50:16 Error (1): 15:50:17 ~eval pbkdf2 (Password . toOctets $ "SqueamishOssifrage") (Salt . toOctets $ "SodiumChloride") 15:50:18 HashedPass [153,223,66,43,11,145,124,27,21,143,224,136,15,148,19,93,41,143,166,153,21,156,110,56,133,78,212,67,244,70,109,40,186,158,145,197,139,35,109,117,38,43,77,154,159,169,67,234,38,249,19,255,114,142,197,243,177,67,91,161,223,115,48,218] 15:51:22 What happened to CaCl_2, I think that's cheaper 15:51:37 although you can't eat it 15:51:49 that's what's used in pickling. 15:52:31 it is? I though that was what they put on the roads? 15:53:03 But I guess it might be possible that they are both eatable 15:54:16 Oh yes, you're right 15:54:24 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:54:29 "As an ingredient, it is listed as a permitted food additive in the European Union for use as a sequestrant and firming agent with the E number E509, and considered as generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.[8] The average intake of calcium chloride as food additives has been estimated to be 160–345 mg/day for individuals.[9]" 15:55:33 in bick's dill pickles: Cucumbers, water, white vinegar, salt, dehydrated garlic, calcium chloride, polysorbate 80, seasonings. 15:55:36 May contain mustard. 16:01:54 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 16:03:09 -!- c00kiemon5ter has joined. 16:03:31 which hash is that 16:03:39 SHA512? 16:03:50 and how many PBKDF2 iterations 16:03:52 inquiring minds want to know 16:04:23 if you make pickles with strange salts then you can't eat them, but you can electrocute them and they glow different colors 16:04:34 inquiry strangled the octopus 16:05:07 :3 16:05:09 it's not an octopus 16:06:42 'smaller cuttlefish will use their camouflage abilities to disguise themselves as a female cuttlefish... disguised males are able to swim past the larger guard male and mate with the female' 16:10:29 kmc: http://humon.deviantart.com/art/Sneaky-Cuttlefish-293754048 16:12:16 yes <3 16:15:55 -!- Lymia has joined. 16:15:55 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 16:15:55 -!- Lymia has joined. 16:21:39 Customer complaint: "If the price doesn't include shipping to America, why is your website written in American?" :-( 16:23:12 "American"... 16:25:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:27:51 Policy based design: 16:27:52 template 16:27:52 class MarkovChain { 16:28:57 I'd like a MarkovChain 16:29:03 hm doesn't sound long enough 16:29:17 I should add some more template parameters here and there 16:33:14 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:33:14 impomatic: :( 16:33:33 AnotherTest: neat 16:33:53 where does the distribution factor in? 16:34:13 AnotherTest: if you want more template parameters then of course you need a way to specify a custom comparator and a custom allocator for T :3 16:34:15 well the intention was to make fun of policy based designs but I realized the idea is actually nice 16:34:33 I should have 16:34:48 template< 16:34:48 class T, size_t Length, class RandomEngine = std::default_random_engine, 16:34:48 class RandomDistribution = std::uniform_int_distribution 16:34:48 > 16:34:48 class MarkovChain 16:35:11 kmc: what about adding a parameter for the size type? 16:35:16 clearly RandomDistribution should be a template template parameter 16:35:25 oh right 16:36:11 The problem is that the stdlib seems to not give the distribution as a template parameter to the engine? 16:37:30 I expected std::default_random_engine to be a template class but it wasn't 16:37:47 back from lunch. kmc: check the pbkdf2 package on hoogle. 16:37:55 Why is that? 16:38:16 meanwhile, I've made it a template template parameter 16:41:04 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:41:10 -!- DH____ has joined. 16:43:14 -!- DH____ has quit (Client Quit). 16:44:44 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 16:56:06 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 17:00:36 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:01:43 -!- Lymia has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 17:02:32 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:02:50 -!- samebchase has joined. 17:10:20 “This bushy plant can grow bananas. Or are they banananas? Or bananananas? Some yellow curved thingies, at least.” 17:10:34 painted boomerangs 17:11:03 sgnaremoob detniap 17:11:25 ... 17:11:33 ... 17:12:03 ttoille emalb I 17:12:14 I blame elliott 17:12:21 is this a bot 17:12:25 I have a puzzle for you guys. 17:12:49 .PI emas eht morf ton era taneB dna benaT 17:12:58 tuiq/ 17:13:07 tiuq/ 17:13:08 benat? ban it! 17:13:15 \quit 17:13:25 \quit 17:13:25 http://dpaste.org/9fYxA/ Guess what this code does (assuming compiled with -threaded and ran with +RTS -N -RTS). Now guess what it does when you remove the threadDelays. No cheating by actually compiling it. BoundedChan is here: http://dpaste.org/x0Fh5/ 17:13:26 tiuq\ 17:13:39 a man, a plan, a canal, a taneb clone, Benat! 17:13:41 -!- Benat has quit. 17:13:42 It's really a test on how well you know the scheduler 17:13:45 Ahaha! 17:13:49 I win this round, Benat! 17:14:25 !taneB, enolc benat a 17:15:41 that was not me btw 17:15:51 Any takers? 17:16:47 Probably ThatOtherPerson then 17:17:14 yliob? 17:18:34 .ti no ydaerla m'I 17:22:48 it'll woggle a 'x', but how, I don't know. probably some amusing random pattern. 17:30:37 Also, I don't think Benat was a bot 17:30:42 it made a couple of mistakes 17:31:06 It said "hi" instead of "iH" at 15:23 17:31:18 And if you assume that it swaps \ and / 17:31:41 it said "\quit" instead of "\qiut" at 1713 17:32:24 Since nobody responded to my puzzle, what happens is that with the delay, the threads tend to alternate, sometimes one of the threads executing twice 17:32:55 Without the delays, the thread that executes is always the thread that executed last time, except when it hits the limit, where it switches to the other thread 17:33:54 Without delays, one of the threads would completely starve the other 17:34:26 Actually, what I'm going to do is modify the program to check if that happens 17:35:58 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:49:14 Oh boy! The owner of extrawww.com wants to sell it to me for some unspecified 4-figure value. 17:50:58 PonyPonyPony: are you Gregor? 17:51:21 $00.02 is four figures right? 17:52:10 boily: Yup. 17:54:50 -!- Lymia has joined. 17:54:51 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 17:54:51 -!- Lymia has joined. 18:03:03 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:04:30 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 18:09:43 -!- kallisti has joined. 18:09:43 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 18:09:43 -!- kallisti has joined. 18:11:50 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:13:59 -!- Lymia has joined. 18:16:15 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:19:32 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 18:35:19 -!- joop has joined. 18:37:45 I quite enjoy the most recent Freefall comic 18:37:58 I hope Florence does get a nicer room at the pound 18:38:27 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:38:57 -!- augur has joined. 18:43:24 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:44:17 wat 18:44:31 something very weird must have happened in freefall 18:45:40 Phantom_Hoover, Florence has been taken into protective custody 18:45:54 I don't think that the pound is quite as much protective custody as she wanted 18:45:58 did she get doggified 18:46:15 -!- Lymia has quit (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number). 18:46:20 she... has always been a dog? 18:46:30 the robots seem to have stopped doing that 18:46:46 -!- Lymia has joined. 18:46:46 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 18:46:47 -!- Lymia has joined. 18:46:52 Phantom_Hoover, http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2400/fc02333.png 18:46:56 or maybe it's just the cop-bots that don't 19:02:57 doesthiswork, they only do that the first time they see her 19:03:13 And less than half of the power-suit cops are robots 19:04:17 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:06:10 so has anything in freefall actually happened 19:06:50 A guy tried to lobotomise all the robots in the world 19:06:50 no it's all a dream 19:07:21 that was happening when i stopped reading it 19:07:28 i stopped reading it like 2 years ago 19:10:22 -!- Lymia has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:10:57 -!- joop has quit (Quit: Page closed). 19:15:13 -!- augur has joined. 19:17:54 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:19:40 maybe soon the company will find out that florence ended up in the wrong place? 19:35:06 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:41:05 -!- c00kiemon5ter has quit (Quit: c00kiemon5ter). 19:42:41 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:48:16 -!- c00kiemon5ter has joined. 19:50:41 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 19:51:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:58:04 ~metar CYUL 19:58:05 CYUL 161900Z 21014KT 12SM -SHRA BKN022 OVC035 12/11 A2987 RMK SC5SC3 SLP114 19:58:25 meh. still -SHRAing. 20:00:54 Phobos looks silly. Proper moons are rounder than that. <-- i'm afraid it just doesn't understand the gravity of the matter 20:04:13 secret: it's actually a giant potato 20:04:14 ais523: actually, I would be perfectly content with you officially abstaining from comment! <-- you mean because fizzie also refuses to opine, so i can just op you single-handedly? 20:04:31 secret secret: it's actually a normal potato that's quite close to the telescopes 20:06:01 -!- c00kiemon5ter has quit (Quit: c00kiemon5ter). 20:06:50 Phantom_Hoover: wow, really? How does it get in front of all of the telescopes whenever they're pointed in a certain direction? Is there a secret Brotherhood of the Potato that takes care of it? 20:07:04 secret secret secret: just imagine the poutine you could make with phobotatoe and moon cheese. 20:07:29 (now, where'd you get the gravy from...) 20:07:36 boily: so you are saying god is quebecois? 20:07:48 boily: titan probably 20:08:58 I think I opined something (though it might've been quite a non-opinion) last time the recurring topic was breached. 20:09:12 i've forgotten what you opined 20:09:30 I've forgotten it too, and anyway it was some years ago. 20:11:10 oerjan: I wouldn't be surprised at god's québécoisitude. 20:11:17 i've been complaining about gregor's voice for years? 20:11:19 how time flies. 20:11:29 -!- impomatic has joined. 20:11:39 elliott: we've _already_ solved that problem, duh 20:12:11 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -v PonyPonyPony. 20:12:17 seems to be unreliable to me. 20:12:21 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v PonyPonyPony. 20:12:46 at least until someone gets fed up enough to unsolve it again. 20:13:39 hmm, are you saying the channel needs fewer food supplies? i suppose rationing in time of a voice crisis *does* make sense... 20:14:14 your dictionary may not be quite up to date on the meaning of "fed up" hth 20:14:40 just don't take my sushi :< 20:16:06 * ThatOtherPerson gives Fiora extra sushi 20:16:38 * Fiora nomnom 20:17:22 how can we take it when you keep eating it 20:18:08 i sleep now. i can only pray gregor's voice survives the brutal night. 20:18:29 have faith, Phantom_Hoover 20:19:31 extra sushi is LUXURY, I say! in my youth, all we had was silence and second-hand clothes! 20:20:08 * ThatOtherPerson gives boily twelfth-hand clothes 20:27:44 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:31:50 -!- augur has joined. 20:31:56 something that bugs me: in roguelikes, do you strip naked when you change armour? 20:32:24 yep. 20:32:25 I don't think you'd wear armor without a layer underneath... unless you really love chafing 20:32:57 http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rortybomb/researchers-finally-replicated-reinhart-rogoff-and-there-are-serious-problems so, anyway, economics is being weird 20:33:23 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 20:34:00 boily: NetHack has no slot for trousers, and yet no indication that things are touching your bare skin when you sit on them 20:34:09 as such, most people assume that the character has trousers yet the game simply doesn't mention them 20:34:59 yes, but NetHack has hawaiian shirts. 20:35:47 you wear your hawaiian shirt over your underlayer, duh 20:41:07 i thought the standard procedure for nurses was to take off all your armour or sth 20:41:13 and the game implied you were naked 20:45:13 -!- nooodl has joined. 20:48:02 * ThatOtherPerson hands out extra clothes for everybody, just in case 20:48:38 Adventurers don't wear pants. 20:50:01 * ThatOtherPerson sighs and passes out a multitude of pants, hoping the adventurers will get a clue 20:50:03 * quintopia puts on his adventuring shorts and hat 20:50:43 free pants? 20:51:05 * Fiora puts on adventuring skirt and hairband? 20:51:57 so you're the kind of adventurer who performs aerial kung fu kicks with a skirt 20:52:07 nah bro 20:52:09 she swords that shit 20:52:11 that's what magical girls do, right? 20:52:15 fucking brutal to see lemme tell ya 20:52:17 very sakuya 20:52:22 pfff XD 20:52:28 I don't stop time though :< 20:52:29 sayaka 20:52:31 that's the one 20:52:36 the blue meduka. 20:52:41 meguca* 20:53:38 and I'm a magic-user adventurer! I shoot magic beams with staves and stuff 20:54:07 ooh I like magic beams 20:54:23 magic beans are nice too 20:56:20 (STR was my dump stat, so I can't do the kicks very well) 21:00:58 so wait what's the sword for 21:01:18 bike is embellishing~ 21:01:49 how do you embellish a sword 21:01:59 by inventing one where none was before! 21:02:12 that's just making shit up! 21:03:17 Fiora: if you're a magical girl, you don't bother changing clothes manually 21:03:26 you just randomly decide to have a different wardrobe, and you do 21:03:33 what 21:03:34 what the fuck 21:03:41 is ais a fan of magical girl animes 21:03:44 whaaaat 21:03:50 Phantom_Hoover: no, but I'm aware of the genre 21:04:00 although I don't disapprove of it at all 21:04:03 my core beliefs are being-- oh 21:04:22 they really have quite a positive message 21:04:28 if a rather clichéd one 21:04:54 is there something wrong with magical girl anime :< 21:05:11 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:05:29 Fiora: Phantom_Hoover just doesn't expect me to like it 21:05:41 Fiora, have you MET ais 21:05:42 -!- Bike has joined. 21:05:47 what :< 21:05:50 Phantom_Hoover: have /you/ met me? 21:05:52 (I haven't) 21:05:52 no 21:05:54 sadly 21:06:07 we missed a golden opportunity 21:06:15 I guess I don't know enough about magical girl anime to really say I like it 21:06:16 (from Bike's link) "If this error turns out to be an actual mistake Reinhart-Rogoff made, well, all I can hope is that future historians note that one of the core empirical points providing the intellectual foundation for the global move to austerity in the early 2010s was based on someone accidentally not updating a row formula in Excel." 21:06:16 "I called your cell phone to set up a meeting but you didn't pick up" 21:06:29 oerjan: good line 21:06:55 I don't know anything about magical girl anime, but I would like to be magical. That would be nice. 21:07:17 or... would it 21:07:36 Well, maybe not. 21:07:37 Phantom_Hoover: I know I'll defend Final Fantasy X-2 from its detractors 21:07:40 let me find that trope... 21:07:44 despite it apparently being magical girl anime 21:08:10 (actually, I think it's a great game because it points out the flaws in both typical RPG plots and typical anime plots, while still remaining a positive outlook on things) 21:08:32 oh right, there's that monkey's paw story 21:08:48 yeah, I remember that being disliked by a lot of ~gamers~ because it was too shoujo for them 21:08:51 X-2, was that the one with the dressspheres? 21:08:56 is that the one with the awful laughing 21:09:09 that was FF X xD 21:09:19 fizzie: yes 21:09:29 (the awful laughing, I mean) 21:09:35 Phantom_Hoover: apparently the laughing was intentionally bad 21:09:54 Yeah, I think that was intentional in the original japanese 21:10:14 are you talking about that laughing I am currently hearing? 21:10:20 -!- Bike_ has joined. 21:10:24 the laughing is intentionally fake yeah 21:10:36 because tidus is making a point about acting happy when you're not for some reason? 21:10:40 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:10:44 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 21:11:08 who cares it's Final Fantasy X, which I'm not particularly willing to defend 21:11:13 Bike: HA HA HA HA. 21:11:16 (part of the reason I like X-2 is how effectively it makes fun of X) 21:11:21 fizzie: basically. 21:11:29 the only good part of ffx was Sin. true fact 21:11:51 trufax 21:11:53 Bike: Did you know that SIN is JECHT ha ha ha ha spoil'd ya. 21:12:02 D: 21:12:11 Tidus is actually a dream of the Fayth 21:12:20 the main character doesn't exist 21:12:23 yunalesca is secretly the boss with the best theme 21:12:23 Fiora: Snape kills Dumbledore. 21:12:39 Tyler Durden isn't real :< 21:12:45 It was his sled. 21:12:51 Kyuubey is evil. 21:13:02 hmm 21:13:18 at this point the spoilers are getting so obscure that they might actually spoil people, except the people don't know what they're being spoiled on 21:13:33 the magical girl is actually a spider 21:13:43 …jumping to an instruction can be used to re-encrypt the previous instruction 21:13:57 the flowers are in a vase 21:14:14 the Star Ocean universe is actually a simulation, and the players are NPCs? 21:14:16 aren't you afraid those people might one day watch the thing and realize it's that thing they had been spoiled on? 21:14:35 It's behind the seventh door on the left. 21:14:42 i am number one 21:15:08 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 21:15:19 Take the second star to the right, and straight on till morning. 21:15:21 the monoliths are actually... fuck knows 21:16:13 hahaha i just realised benedict cumberbatch was in four lions 21:16:27 ais523: now I'm wishing there were more shoujoish magicalgirlish games 21:16:38 Fiora: don't 21:16:43 why :< 21:16:57 there are more such games, but they're pretty much universally considered terrible even by people who like those sorts of anime 21:17:03 also they have a tendency to turn into porn 21:17:10 I'm not counting the awful otakubait things <.< 21:17:29 ar tonelico and hyperdimension neptunia and that kind of bleh are not shoujo 21:17:40 ok, just for the sake of us all, make sure to include it more clearly in your wish :) 21:17:44 XD 21:18:00 okay, I wish for more mahou shoujo-esque games aimed primarily at a female audience (bam) 21:18:43 if you take the integral of it, do you get the original bf? <-- darn now i'm wondering what _that_ kind of brainfuck derivative would look like. although i think continuous bf has been discussed before. 21:19:18 I guess atelier is sort of close. though it doesn't have as much of the 'mahou' 21:19:24 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:20:28 at this point the spoilers are getting so obscure that they might actually spoil people, except the people don't know what they're being spoiled on <-- yes. wtf is kyuubey. 21:20:43 OK kmc was right 21:20:48 there are only 12 british actors 21:21:10 oh yay I know a british actor, does that mean he's one of them? 21:21:12 Fiora: This is not related at all, but got kind of reminded; http://sprunge.us/cUYG 21:21:14 y 21:21:22 …jumping to an instruction can be used to re-encrypt the previous instruction <-- malbolge? 21:21:35 did you count everyone in harry potter? 21:21:43 NO 21:21:43 because that had a few actors in it 21:21:45 er 21:21:46 no 21:21:59 many of them were irish for instance 21:21:59 fizzie: geez, wow, I thought that cliche had been beaten to death at least among the highest profile jrpgs 21:22:08 oerjan: yes 21:22:09 fizzie: more layers. yes. 21:22:10 since I almost never see it anymore in final fantasy or tales or the like 21:22:23 actually, probably a bigger spoiler would be "characters over 128 aren't rejected" 21:22:23 I guess DQ8 isn't really that new, but... 21:22:34 * Fiora played DQ9 a while ago, it was really wonderful 21:23:57 oh so irish!=british? 21:24:03 I watched someone play through all of Ni no Kuni (the PS3 thing), and it looked just like a Ghibli movie except in game. 21:24:06 fizzie, was that game... made in ms paint 21:24:10 quintopia, hahaha no 21:24:22 quintopia: ireland is both an island, and a country; the country (republic of ireland) has no overlap with the UK 21:24:25 I don't have a PS3 so I just have to watch other people. 21:24:31 whereas the island itself has some overlap (northern ireland) 21:24:32 (this is a good thing to learn before one goes to ireland) 21:24:33 actually, probably a bigger spoiler would be "characters over 128 aren't rejected" <-- isn't that cheating, though. 21:24:39 I loved Ni no Kuni too, it was really nice 21:24:49 ireland and great britain, being two different islands, are entirely disjoint 21:24:49 it definitely had so much of that ghibli feel 21:25:10 I was surprised for a bit that the game was really dragon quest-esque in the mechanics and structure, but then I remembered that it was made by Level 5 XD 21:25:11 why didnt the british do a better job of conquering and keeping conquered their next door neighbors? 21:25:16 ais523: also, i vaguely thought the important part of the jumping was that the jumping instruction itself _doesn't_ get encrypted. 21:25:27 * Fiora would recommend Tales of Graces f as the best PS3 JRPG, though 21:25:30 quintopia: too busy fucking over south asia 21:25:34 Fiora: I had that one short (few seconds?) segment of the overworld music stuck in my head for so long. 21:25:45 Bike, also the germans 21:25:51 Also because it was just like some other thing. 21:26:05 (amusingly, the irish weren't all that hot on independence before the easter rising) 21:26:23 also drippy was the best ever 21:26:40 Can't much argue with that. 21:27:09 making him scottish was the best thing 21:27:12 (the british overreaction played a large part in moving them to actual rebellion) 21:27:22 Phantom_Hoover: conscription, huh. that caused a shitload of uprisings in non-core russia too, what a coincidence! 21:27:23 Fiora, THIS SOUNDS RACIST 21:27:40 what :< 21:28:22 Fiora: I must say, I've never seen ":<" before. It's rather angular. 21:28:37 The sort of expression a robot might make. 21:28:39 fiora's mouth is reinforced with rebar. 21:29:02 Ah 21:29:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qhy9CO3Y-8#t=3m45s 21:29:22 :< is more sad than :( 21:29:39 oh, correction. welsh. 21:29:40 * oerjan swats FireFly -----### 21:29:45 it also looks like a fly hth 21:29:46 :< 21:29:50 (\/) (;,,;) (\/) 21:29:57 cthulhu? 21:29:59 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa SPIDER 21:30:08 Fiora, that is 21:30:08 zoidberg 21:30:09 a welsh accent 21:30:17 I CORRECTED MYSELLLFFF 21:30:17 oh just zoidberg 21:30:21 <.< 21:30:23 lord high of the fairies 21:30:24 oh. and zoidberg. 21:30:31 how dare you 21:30:36 Bike: One lord more, right? 21:30:56 confusing us with that bunch of pansy sheep-shaggers 21:31:37 We were thinking of maybe a Scotland, maybe summer of 2014. 21:31:48 it was definitely a wonderful choice though. the usual way they localize osakan accents is as texan -_- 21:31:51 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 21:32:07 Fiora: A... Texan Drippy... 21:32:29 Fiora: a very logical choice, considering the longstanding texan tradition of takoyaki. 21:32:52 The tradition actually started because the localization company was based in texas 21:32:58 so texas accents were the easiest to find <.< 21:33:04 lol. 21:34:38 (another game with a great british dub is xenoblade, they did away with the silly "europe and US get different dubs" and just gave everyone wonderful english accents) 21:35:00 Nobody dubs anything to Finnish (well, except maybe aimed-really-for-children big-budget animation films), so the whole sub-or-dub thing confuzzles me, what with the whole practice of dubbing just feeling so weird. 21:35:03 are they like normal english accents 21:36:04 she just said they're wonderful, man. 21:36:11 good dubs can be really wonderful though, and I think they help me connect with the characters better 21:36:13 `addquote if you make pickles with strange salts then you can't eat them, but you can electrocute them and they glow different colors 21:36:17 1033) if you make pickles with strange salts then you can't eat them, but you can electrocute them and they glow different colors 21:36:20 the little boy is annoyingly passive 21:36:21 in some cases they're better than the original, too 21:37:01 Perhaps, but it still feels weird, because It's Not Done, here. 21:37:23 I guess 21:37:27 I guess maybe there was a Finnish dub of Spirited Away? 21:37:41 the times I'm really glad they have them are when the original dubs are plagued by like, the most cliche moe voices ever 21:37:55 and the english dubbers smartly decide not to try to imitate them and just do like, proper voices 21:38:06 hm 21:38:17 you know how moe voices are like two octaves above the male ones 21:38:24 what if you just reversed that, made them two lower 21:38:33 (the most terrible ones though are when the english dubbers decide to try to mimick the moe voices. oh /god/) 21:38:43 reverse moe voices... 21:38:48 * boily cringe in abject fear 21:39:13 boily: WHAT ARE YOU FRIGHTENED OF MORTAL 21:39:34 (YOUR TIME IS NOT YET UP) 21:39:48 * Fiora goes and fangirls about cassandra lee because she's wonderfuls 21:40:07 * ThatOtherPerson ick 21:40:18 * ThatOtherPerson tired 21:42:25 oerjan: I'm afraid of people who have imaginary letters in their name and who talk in capitals. 21:42:36 imaginary letters? 21:42:55 ørjan 21:44:40 well you know a+bi 21:44:44 b is the imaginary letter 21:46:30 boily: WHAT CAN I SAY I'M A COMPLEX PERSON 21:49:24 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:49:45 (another game with a great british dub is xenoblade, they did away with the silly "europe and US get different dubs" and just gave everyone wonderful english accents) // I'd buy it. Americans love English accents ;) 21:49:59 -!- copumpkin has joined. 21:51:02 * Fiora admits she does? <.< 21:51:43 all about the cockney 21:51:50 that was happening when i stopped reading it <-- well then it was being planned. just recently the plan was actually executed. 21:52:07 did it work then 21:52:16 Bike: I'll just cut that message off after the 18th character. 21:52:24 that's the joke. thanks 21:52:46 Phantom_Hoover: doing what was necessary to make it _not_ work is how florence got in the pound. 21:53:14 `oh well' 21:53:16 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oh: not found 21:56:55 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 21:56:58 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:57:18 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:57:33 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:58:09 -!- augur has joined. 21:59:48 -!- calamari has joined. 22:04:24 -!- nooodl has joined. 22:05:28 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:11:13 -!- augur has joined. 22:14:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:17:36 -!- Lymia has joined. 22:17:36 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 22:17:36 -!- Lymia has joined. 22:21:58 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:22:18 -!- Frooxius has joined. 22:23:36 -!- Frooxius_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:26:39 -!- augur has joined. 22:30:31 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:30:49 -!- c00kiemon5ter has joined. 22:31:27 pikhq_: "Splenda is chlorinated sugar, that's not safe!" "I certainly hope you've replaced all your table salt with MSG then." 22:31:43 PonyPonyPony: :D 22:32:01 XD 22:32:29 :D 22:32:35 I'm not entirely sure why anyone would be opposed to Splenda. It's, like, the least offensive artificial sweetener. By far. 22:32:35 * kmc does have a 2 lb shaker of MSG 22:33:05 kmc: 2lbs is a LOT of MSG. I don't know how one could buy that much in a single package here X-D 22:33:22 splenda is aspartame, right? 22:33:25 The thing that's great with MSG is, it's a salt of sodium and glutamic acid. Glutamic acid being an *amino acid* that is all over the place in your body. 22:33:29 Bike: No, sucralose. 22:33:36 pikhq_: My brother and grandmother have decided that they don't like Splenda because (a) its motto (Tastes like sugar because it's made from sugar) is misleading if you're an imbecile, and (b) oh nose chlorine. 22:33:42 oh. aspartame's the controversial one 22:34:11 I particularly love hating on Splenda's motto, because, for an advertising slogan, it's amazingly true. 22:34:24 the annoying bit about the 'strong' artificial sweeneters is they can't really replace sugar in cooking 22:35:01 I assume that when people look at artificial sweeteners they see http://24.media.tumblr.com/44d32d4df57c74f2e76ec2b0fe5c454a/tumblr_mld4dnStXb1r7tprao1_500.jpg 22:35:04 It depends pretty heavily on what you're making though. 22:35:22 erythritol and xylitol are apparently good in place of sugar 22:35:26 (for baking and stuff) 22:35:34 i hope my mushrooms don't taste like drywall and copies of the wall street journal 22:35:36 Mmm, textured vegetable protein product! 22:36:02 Hey, at least it's textured! 22:36:24 yeah i have no idea what the marketers were thinking, at all. 22:37:51 i didn't even know milk came in boxes, too. (liquid milk, even) 22:38:39 in europe eggs aren't refrigerated, in US they always are 22:39:06 Bike: You mean like UHT boxed milk, or milk cartons? 22:39:19 yeah it's that membrane thing 22:39:19 it's more that i didn't know these sorts of products even came at these levels of quality, i guess 22:39:39 Hmm. Where are you at, Bike? 22:40:11 northwest murika 22:40:19 Ah. 22:40:24 oh that's right, milk comes in bags in canada doesn't it 22:40:34 Some parts, yeah. 22:41:05 in europe eggs aren't refrigerated, in US they always are // hm, really? 22:41:10 Hm, the UHT boxes do look famiiliar. 22:41:23 PonyPonyPony: well i don't know about all of europe 22:41:26 many parts 22:41:35 and i've always seen them refrigerated in the US 22:42:11 I mean, to me it seems like you really ought to refrigerate. They're just like meat, only not born yet. (Or fertilized) 22:42:15 -!- Bike_ has joined. 22:42:35 fine, my chicken related knowledge will just die 22:42:41 "...we can view every monoid (A, *, e) as a category, as follows: ... Objects: the set A is the unique object of the category. Arrows: x : A -> A means that x \in A, i.e. arrows are elements of A." 22:42:41 PonyPonyPony: Remember that it's more common to buy at most a few days ahead in Europe. 22:43:21 how are elements of A arrows... i'm... what 22:43:30 I've always seen eggs refridgerated 22:43:51 er, refrigerated* 22:43:57 nooodl: as in the arrows of the category are the objects of the original monoid set, i think 22:44:30 if you had the monoid (N, +, 0), one of the arrows would be 42 : N -> N? 22:44:56 yeah, except N in the category formulation is just the one object 22:45:04 I think that the name of the single node in the category doesn't really matter 22:45:07 so you'd have one object with infinite arrows to and from itself 22:45:15 wait i think i'm looking at this too much like it's a function 22:45:35 ohhhh i see 22:45:36 also we got 1300 lbs of eggs today 22:45:39 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:45:43 it's not possible to move in the refrigerator no more 22:45:44 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 22:45:49 Bike: woah 22:45:59 O_O 22:46:18 that's only like a vanful, but yeah sucked to move 22:46:26 so arrows are just... things. the source and target don't matter, the composition (i.e. *) matters 22:46:31 (for monoids) 22:46:43 Well, the source and target is the same for all the arrows 22:46:46 yeah 22:46:47 that's what matters 22:47:02 (I should probably add that I learned about this like yesterday, but I think what I'm saying is true) 22:47:08 so the composition of the arrows corresponding to 42 and 32 is the arrow corresponding to 74, probably 22:47:13 i should probably add that i'm making shit up to confuse you 22:47:26 that seems right 22:47:53 yep 22:47:53 Bike: that'll get you a lot of meringue 22:48:03 wow... this all just kinda clicked. i really love that feeling 22:48:19 i like to start with the definition of a monoid and then say that a category is a 'typed monoid' where the elements have function-like types and you can only compose when the types line up 22:49:08 where elements = arrows, and objects = types? 22:49:15 yeah 22:49:35 the CT terminology is confusing in a programming context because 'object' doesn't sound like it should be a type 22:49:50 in CT the objects just classify the arrows / morphisms 22:50:05 yeah, that definition is probably clearer from a programmer's pov 22:54:20 aaaa CT is too much fun to read & be confused about 22:59:43 it's commutative diagrams all the way down 23:00:48 it's not possible to move in the refrigerator no more <-- i'll recommend not staying there at all, hth 23:01:50 what if you're stuck in the middle of a nuclear test 23:01:56 as someone who's been n the walk-in freezer for half an hour at a time i must agree 23:03:53 Phantom_Hoover: then you die fictional evidence notwithstanding, hth 23:04:03 i think it's roughly as cold as like, lapland? iunno 23:04:25 hint: lapland has seasons too 23:04:57 look it's cold okay 23:05:05 they just go from "damn cold" to "fairly chilly" 23:06:12 can you just leave meat outside to preserve it 23:06:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovaniemi#Climate 23:06:35 i mean, mod animals 23:06:36 ha, it still has warmer summers than edinburgh 23:07:12 Bike: in the winter, sure 23:07:15 guys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakutsk#Climate 23:07:17 this is THE climate 23:07:18 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:07:39 fucking SWELTERING in july, that is 23:07:40 i guess freezers are supposed to be around -20°C 23:07:49 record low: -64 °C, record high: 39 °C 23:08:00 haha holy shit 23:08:15 "As the biggest city built on continuous permafrost," the russian east is fucking crazy 23:09:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northern_Chukotka.JPG chukuotka is probably my favorite though 23:09:47 "sure, let's live here" 23:10:47 that looks like a different planet 23:11:13 «Abramovich said that he would not run for governor again after his term of office expired in 2005, as it is "too expensive", and he rarely visits the region. However, Russian President Vladimir Putin changed the law to abolish elections for regional governors, and on 21 October 2005 Abramovich was reappointed governor for another term.» it's a nice place 23:11:26 (abramovich is the governor of chukotka) 23:11:32 Chukotka has large reserves of oil, natural gas, coal, gold, and tungsten, which are slowly being exploited, but much of the rural population survives on subsistence reindeer herding, whale hunting, and fishing. 23:11:34 <3 23:11:35 (or was until 2008) 23:12:17 "Chukotka is mostly roadless and air travel is the main mode of passenger transport. There are local permanent roads between some settlements." 23:12:32 the Soviet Union's answer to Zionism was to give the Jews their own autonomous oblast in middle of nowhere east Russia 23:12:55 well hey, at least stalin didn't dump them in this northern crazyland 23:12:56 it didn't really catch on 23:13:02 also it beats pale of settlement :( 23:13:40 possibly russia is just bad with jews?? perish the thought 23:13:47 c.c 23:13:56 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 23:14:19 http://fwc.wireos.com/e.php?id=5117ac574ed91ab030000083 23:14:28 early space shuttle concepts 23:14:53 note especially: the 161y, which has, for some reason, got its landing gear on the top 23:15:31 i like the 161c, chillin in space 23:16:49 cute 23:17:04 i'm imagining that was just, "oops. we put the wheels on the wrong side. oh well" 23:17:40 Bike: the russians think the jews should just get with the pogrom 23:17:55 shut uuuuup 23:18:26 oerjan: c.c 23:18:33 kmc: my worst yet? 23:18:40 maybe 23:20:05 that was wonderterrible 23:21:14 one thing I didn't know about Israel until I visited was the degree to which Russian coexists with Hebrew and English and Arabic as a language you see everywhere 23:21:28 hm, why is that? 23:21:32 cause there were a lot of jews in Russia and they mostly wanted to get the hell out as soon as possible 23:21:38 oh. sensible. 23:21:55 now i'm remembering the black hundreds aggh 23:21:57 and it's a fairly recent wave of immigration (since it was hard to leave before 1990 or so) 23:22:19 It's true. 23:23:22 wow what the heck is "national bolshevism" 23:23:27 the history of israel is so fucked 23:23:32 713,399 jews in russia in 1979, 159,348 in 2010 23:23:46 :x 23:23:56 wow 23:24:00 Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevik_Party 23:24:08 THIS IS MCBANE. AM UNDER ATTACK BY COMMIE-NAZIS. 23:24:19 "In Russia, as the civil war dragged on, a number of prominent "Whites" switched to the Bolshevik side because they saw it as the only hope for restoring greatness to Russia. Amongst these was Professor Nikolai Ustrialov, initially an anti-communist, who came to believe that Bolshevism could be modified to serve nationalistic purposes." i can't believe how dumb the russian civil war was 23:24:59 someone ought to edit http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommieNazis which claims there is no such thing 23:25:10 «They supported co-operation with the Soviet government in the hope that the Soviet state would evolve back into a "bourgeois state". » 23:25:16 Bike: well he was kind of right, yeah? 23:25:24 well. yes. 23:25:29 ... 23:25:29 stalin was a nationalist 23:25:40 i really don't get stalin's nationalism at all 23:26:03 it is a bit puzzling given that he was from fucking georgia 23:26:40 aiui he changed his mind on like a weekly basis regarding whether all the ethnic groups in the USSR should become Russian or whether they should all have their own -stans 23:26:49 he wsa the fucking commissar of nationalities 23:27:55 oh did you see that thing i found from cablegate, about a bunch of chinese academics arguing about the "american model" vs "soviet model" of dealing with minority ethnic groups 23:28:02 it's pretty surreal let me tell you 23:28:05 ok, link? 23:28:35 http://www.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09BEIJING3314.html 23:29:03 america has had a successful melting pot, see 23:32:19 ...oh my, alexey tolstoy was one of these people following ustrialov. 23:34:42 yeah, China is like 92% Han Chinese, that might screw up the melting pot a bit 23:35:26 i don't think the US was ever that lopsided, unless like you count 'white people' as a single group and don't count slaves 23:36:15 well also it's not even close to as uniform in china 23:36:30 xinjiang was just like some place full of muslims until the KMT took it over 23:36:44 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 23:41:04 yeah, China is like 92% Han Chinese, that might screw up the melting pot a bit <-- i am pretty sure i recently read a claim the classification is biased to include a _lot_ under han chinese 23:41:49 reddit's r/askhistory, probably 23:41:52 ooh, chinese census probably isn't by self-report 23:41:52 -!- c00kiemon5ter has quit (Quit: c00kiemon5ter). 23:43:06 when the US switched from assignment to self-report for ethnicity minority populations mysteriously jumped a few percentage points 23:43:16 huh 23:44:38 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/12/29/from-appearance-to-identity-how-census-data-collection-changed-race-in-america/ 23:44:41 "Between 1980 and 2000, the U.S. Native American population magically grew 110%." 23:47:02 -!- augur has joined. 23:47:17 hoo, wikipedia lists over a dozen ethnicities not recognized by the prc 23:53:19 -!- Lymia has joined.