00:00:57 he uses "bit" and "baud" in his papers 00:01:03 self-sacrifice. shine on, claude 00:01:09 nobody uses units named after themselves 00:01:15 you make a slightly less stupid future for us all 00:09:21 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:10:13 If everyone else's name is already taken, then you should name it after yourself, isn't it? 00:11:44 -!- Vorpal has joined. 00:18:27 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:24:37 zzo38: It is. 00:37:47 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 00:42:28 How important is it to regard clothing's care stuff? 00:42:33 I kind of just ignored it... 00:42:46 you mean the stuff on the tag? 00:43:00 if you wash things at too high temp, they may shrink or worse. 00:43:07 for regular cotton shirts and such, not important at all 00:43:34 :/ me might have shrunken shirts tomorrow 00:43:53 if you wash red clothes with white, you may ruin the white ones. 00:43:58 for certain materials like silk and wool, you do need to do specific things 00:44:08 oerjan: usually ok after the first few washes though 00:44:10 * sgo38 doesn't have silk or wool in there I think 00:44:49 sgo38: i just have a bunch of normal cotton or cotton/poly blend clothes and I wash them all together (white and black, not much color though) on hot usually, and they're always fine 00:45:33 there are particular kinds of stains that require special care 00:46:30 for blood stains you should treat it with hydrogen peroxide (when fresh preferably) and then wash it on cold 00:47:11 -!- btiffin has joined. 00:47:13 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 00:47:55 old iwc readers may want to know about this http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=7294 00:49:13 it's supposedly even more roleplaying centered than the ordinary ones though 00:54:30 :/me 00:54:39 a new innovation for expressing dissatisfaction on irc 00:55:23 it's certainly space saving 00:58:42 :/me ? 00:58:48 :/me. 00:59:05 did you mean :/meh ? 00:59:14 No. 00:59:17 doesthiswork, but that doesn't resemble /me 01:00:00 I don't think that's a valid command 01:00:35 oerjan, will I need to have read regular IWC though? 01:00:40 I haven't read the whole thing yet 01:02:06 sgo38: i doubt it, or else the pyramid readers would have had to as well... 01:02:30 and these strips are not canonical in the regular one 01:03:42 i'm only up to no. 9 myself of these ones 01:04:22 but so far they seem pretty disconnected gag-a-day strips 01:12:56 hm it appears to have a paranoia theme 01:19:36 -!- bengt_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:20:25 -!- bengt_ has joined. 01:24:03 -!- sgo38 has changed nick to Sgeo. 01:27:48 oerjan, some of them, at least 01:28:15 And by some I mean I just reached #7 which is Paranoia themed 01:29:00 i said that just as i reached the second i found 01:29:35 The book the GM holds gives the game away 01:30:56 I vaguely want to play Munchkin 01:31:51 well the point is there was a theme not in the regular comic. 01:34:26 What's the best nondeterministic programming language? 01:35:51 Nondeterministic as in gives multiple answers or nondeterministic as in random? 01:37:15 if i say "Mercury" will you go look at that and stop asking "best" questions 01:38:07 `WeLcOmE Bike 01:38:10 BiKe: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) 01:38:13 hichaf 01:38:18 hello 01:38:25 did you learn about profunctors yet ............... 01:38:30 nah. 01:38:36 confunctors? 01:38:50 You made that up. 01:38:55 Hey, it's not me asking the 'best' question this time! 01:39:10 I... didn't say it was? 01:39:30 Bike: I make a lot of things up, Bike. 01:39:39 http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/iwc/?strip=19 01:39:43 I don't get it 01:39:46 One time I made up all of Portugal. 01:39:58 Is Rolling For Initiative indicative of something? 01:39:58 Even the wars? 01:40:02 Sgeo: If you don't get it you should ask the person who linked it in the channel about it. 01:43:03 erm... i _think_ it's rolling for whether you or the opponent gets to do the first action. 01:43:24 or the order if there are more people, presumably. 01:44:14 these are all extremely non-funny 01:44:34 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:45:33 shachaf: linking it doesn't mean i'm an expert hth 01:46:06 oh food -> 01:46:45 oerjan: Did you link it? 01:47:24 shachaf: i linked the iwc forum pointer to these 01:47:45 nooodl: you may have to like roleplaying to understand much of it 01:48:22 Rolling for initiative is used to determine the turn order, which can sometimes change. 01:49:46 http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/iwc/?strip=26 01:49:47 zzo38: since this is on the pyramid site most roleplaying specifics are probably for the gurps system, btw (which dmm has always been using afaik) 01:49:52 That one's awesome 01:50:04 zzo38: What about rolling for terminative? 01:50:05 eek you're passing me 01:50:31 zzo38: Do you want to be on `olist? 01:50:36 shachaf: I don't think it is needed, since initiative is only for the turn order. 01:50:48 What is a `olist? 01:50:59 I probably don't need to be on such list. 01:51:18 zzo38, olist is people who want to be told when Order of the Stick updates 01:51:39 I don't want to be on these lists. 01:51:47 Ok 01:59:00 Can DRAM be reset to all bits set? Someone told me it can, but not to all bits clear, and all bits clear is what I am trying to do. 02:02:23 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 02:12:05 Ugh, I am very tired. 02:12:39 help 02:15:11 they have pills for that 02:19:14 * Fiora gives shachaf a blanket 02:27:15 -!- augur has joined. 03:12:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:23:43 `slist 03:23:47 slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 03:32:14 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:32:20 -!- DH____ has joined. 04:01:52 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 257 seconds). 04:02:49 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 04:29:00 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:31:42 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:32:44 -!- Bike has joined. 04:40:13 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 04:45:06 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:45:19 -!- conehead has joined. 04:55:37 -!- conehead has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:57:01 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Excess Flood). 04:59:20 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 05:00:03 -!- conehead has joined. 05:03:00 -!- conehead has quit (Client Quit). 05:03:14 -!- conehead has joined. 05:19:42 Bike: 05:19:43 22:17 BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKE 05:19:43 22:17 .._\ 05:19:43 22:17 (o)(o) 05:20:13 Why would a train ride a bike? 05:23:37 for sexual gratification? 05:23:55 why did you have a train ride you? 05:52:24 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 05:53:03 -!- conehead has joined. 05:53:56 -!- conehead has quit (Client Quit). 05:57:52 It would have to be a large bike for the train to fit and not break it. Also, the train has its own wheels, but perhaps they broke, or the engine broke? 05:58:52 zzo38: You should suggest your theories in #cslounge-trains 06:00:01 -!- btiffin has left. 06:08:46 -!- conehead has joined. 06:09:30 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 06:10:29 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Excess Flood). 06:11:10 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:15:02 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 06:35:57 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 07:23:14 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 07:36:33 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:43:18 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:46:45 -!- Taneb has joined. 07:48:19 -!- carado has joined. 07:57:22 -!- ais523_ has joined. 07:57:32 @messages? 07:57:33 Sorry, no messages today. 07:57:35 err, right 07:57:37 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 07:57:38 @messages? 07:57:39 Sorry, no messages today. 07:57:41 -!- ais523 has changed nick to ais523_. 07:57:44 Morning, ais523_ 07:57:48 morning 07:57:50 ais523_: Why the _? 07:57:59 My guess is that he's at work 07:57:59 shachaf: ais523_ uses wired connections exclusively 07:58:04 and ais523 wireless connections exclusively 07:58:14 So it's a wire. 07:58:20 Why make the distinction? 07:58:21 the underscore typically implies that I'm at work, because when I'm borrowing connections from friends, it's normally via wireless router 07:58:30 and because often we need to be on simultaneously 07:58:30 Ah. 07:58:40 well, that's why the nicks became different 07:58:45 Why not keep an always-on client? 07:58:55 then I assigned them their roles permanently out of stubbornness and whimsy 07:59:12 lambdabot has a theoretical way of linking nicks. 07:59:17 I think it's only half-implemented, though. 08:04:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 08:07:47 -!- nooga has joined. 08:22:08 -!- ais523_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 08:22:18 oh come on 08:22:24 that's meant to be the /reliable/ connection 08:22:56 looks like the desktop computer crashed… 08:25:21 Wires: not so reliable after all. 08:25:41 Wires: it's what's for dinner. 08:27:55 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 08:40:54 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 08:42:31 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:42:48 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:42:51 -!- Tod-Autojoined has joined. 08:49:16 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:02:26 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:02:31 Hello 09:10:43 `slist 09:10:48 slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 09:15:46 `uname 09:15:48 Linux 09:15:54 `uname -R 09:15:56 uname: invalid option -- 'R' \ Try `uname --help' for more information. 09:16:03 `uname --help 09:16:04 Usage: uname [OPTION]... \ Print certain system information. With no OPTION, same as -s. \ \ -a, --all print all information, in the following order, \ except omit -p and -i if unknown: \ -s, --kernel-name print the kernel name \ -n, --nodename print the network node hostname \ 09:16:13 `uname -a 09:16:14 Linux umlbox 3.7.0-umlbox #1 Wed Feb 13 23:30:40 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux 09:16:25 Out of curiosity, what's -R supposed to print? 09:16:39 I though it printed the release information 09:16:44 clearly doesn't 09:16:48 Oh, so -r then. 09:16:57 `uname -r 09:16:58 3.7.0-umlbox 09:16:59 Ah, yes 09:17:06 `lsb_release -a 09:17:09 No LSB modules are available. \ Distributor ID:Debian \ Description:Debian GNU/Linux \ Release:n/a \ Codename:n/a 09:17:26 Ah, Debian n/a, the best distribution. 09:17:40 I agree 09:17:58 N/A was probably the best version ever released. Really stable 09:23:03 xkcd's subway map thingie looks funky. 09:32:12 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130408-subways_of_finland.png here I maed the same thing of our glorious country. 09:32:24 Also includes: scribbling with a mouse. 09:36:42 Does the US have intercity subways? 09:38:57 I believe some creative license have been taking in connecting those things. (See e.g. "Trolley Rt. 10 to California" from Philadelphia to LA.) 09:39:04 s/taking/taken/ 09:39:12 s/have/has/ 09:39:17 s/what/ever/ 09:39:21 s/.// 09:39:37 That just got rid of the first letter. 09:39:51 oops forgot my Kleene star there 09:39:54 s/.*// 09:39:56 There you go 09:40:12 s/.//g would have been acceptable also. 09:41:12 `slist 09:41:13 slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 10:11:11 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 251 seconds). 10:26:21 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:34:28 -!- mroman_ has joined. 10:39:11 -!- mroman has quit (*.net *.split). 10:44:10 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:09:25 "THIS OIL VACCINE PRODUCT BUSINESS OFFER MAY INTEREST YOU." 11:16:04 -!- carado has joined. 11:27:24 @ping 11:28:03 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:28:18 -!- Taneb has joined. 11:29:36 pong 11:30:31 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 11:31:53 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Quitte). 11:35:59 -!- Jafet has joined. 12:07:28 -!- Koen_ has joined. 12:13:13 -!- nooga has joined. 12:13:51 -!- Rhino has joined. 12:18:51 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 12:19:00 Hello 12:19:10 Is anybody in there? 12:24:09 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 12:31:13 Just nod if you can hear me? 12:31:55 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:32:21 What ? 12:32:22 nyaa? 12:32:28 I am here 12:33:09 Do you hear me? 12:33:48 `welcome Rhino 12:33:50 Rhino: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 12:34:35 Thank you 12:35:00 Rhino, important questions! 12:35:05 Is it possible to discuss different issues here? 12:35:15 Are you from, in, or otherwise associated with Finland? 12:35:32 Only ? 12:35:45 How about Hexham? 12:36:01 No, I am not absolutely associated with Finland 12:36:15 (Hexham's in the UK) 12:36:15 Just relatively. 12:36:33 Originally I am from Russia 12:36:50 But now I have to live and work in Vietnam 12:36:58 Hmm 12:37:06 #esoteric is kind of legendarily off topic so it should be okay :p 12:37:06 Nothing here 12:37:08 You're getting progressively further from Finland and Hexham 12:37:54 I'll demonstrate the channel's topicality. 12:38:03 Taneb: Me? 12:38:07 Yes 12:38:23 At least Russia and Finland share a border 12:38:44 I see, but I am in Vietnam just now 12:38:56 And I have never been in Finland 12:39:02 This is problematic 12:39:16 Why? 12:39:22 Perhaps if you keep going, you'll go round the world the other way 12:39:27 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:39:52 Fiora, you doing anything for 4/13? 12:39:55 hmm, thatcher died 12:40:27 it really has been a week for it 12:40:40 Phantom_Hoover, yes, I can tell by the vast chasm between the opinions vocalized by my gran and by the rest of my peers 12:40:50 who's the tory scum 12:41:22 4/13? oh right, that's a special day 12:41:46 -!- Rhino has left. 12:41:47 yeah, the 4th of smarch 12:42:17 maybe I'll wear jade's outfit or something? 12:42:25 Phantom_Hoover, it's month/year, not day/month 12:42:32 oh 12:43:06 anyway what does your gran/your peers think of thatcher 12:43:41 -!- monqy has joined. 12:43:48 Phantom_Hoover, I live in the north-east of England, a region long associated with coal mining. 12:43:56 Which group do you think has which opinion 12:44:05 your peers love thatcher?? 12:45:13 Yeah 12:45:18 They are in the house of lords, after all 12:45:29 I'm not sure what else I should do for 4/13 12:45:48 :/ 12:45:51 maybe watch cascde again :p 12:46:10 There's a party happening somewhere near here, but I don't know where it is, if I'm invited, or if I can even make it 12:46:22 2013-04 (ISO 8601) 12:46:34 for 4/13 or thatcher's death 12:46:49 Both, maybe neither 12:49:01 (the former) 12:49:34 for 4/13 -_- 12:49:53 I'm not really a party person 12:52:42 I think Margaret Thatcher must have been the most polarizing politician ever 12:54:36 if you put two polarizing politicians in front of each other, and then like, turn one 90 degrees 12:54:40 do they turn dark? 12:55:12 Sounds like a fun experiment 12:55:25 Except it involves politicians 12:55:26 Ugh 12:55:40 weren't you a fake politician taneb 12:55:54 I also experience long bouts of self-loathing 12:55:57 if I was less lazy maybe I could make a jade god tier outfit or something 12:56:15 Taneb, fake self-loathing? 12:56:25 Alas, real self-loathing 12:58:14 Fiora: you can't turn the BNP dark this way 12:58:54 let me guess, because they're too white? 12:58:56 :P 13:03:31 ahahahahaha 13:03:43 -!- carado has joined. 13:04:42 there is apparently some confusion on twitter over whether the #nowthatchersdead hashtag refers to thatcher or cher 13:05:05 XD 13:05:12 tag conflicts are amusing 13:05:31 like that wonderful fan war between k-pop fans and holmes fans over the 'sherlock' tag 13:05:59 also: http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ 13:06:32 is that cher dead yet 13:06:50 partying over thatcher dying seems a bit.......morbid??? 13:07:06 yes, i think it's a bit tasteless myself 13:07:24 "celebrating" :< 13:07:51 otoh so is the media's standard love-in for her 13:16:26 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Quitte). 13:17:27 -!- boily has joined. 13:26:54 -!- impomatic has left. 13:40:19 what's 4/13 13:41:30 ♫ brezhnev took afghanistan, begin took beirut, galtieri took the union jack, and maggie over lunch one day, took a cruiser with all hands, apparently to make him give it back ♫ 13:41:44 oklofok: puzzles of the day http://i.imgur.com/JjiX270.png 13:41:44 kmc: It's a STUCKHOME thing. 13:43:43 (to win you have to move once and exactly once through every blue square) 13:44:01 (without stepping outside) 13:49:20 "Good thing about #Thatcher: her economic polices led to empty warehouses & so she created raves" 13:54:10 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:11:59 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:20:19 -!- joop has joined. 14:29:00 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 14:29:07 -!- boily has joined. 14:33:47 Koen_: do you know the theory? 14:36:15 -!- nooodl has joined. 14:39:58 oklofok: well I guess yeah 14:40:04 maybe not all of it 14:40:13 but enough to prove that this one looks impossible 14:40:24 (and it's only level 3 out of 5) 14:41:38 actually on a second thought that's probably np complete, as it's hamiltonian path instead of euclidean 14:41:41 erm 14:42:27 eulerian. 14:43:12 I reproduced the grid on a piece of paper 14:43:33 and with a pen I wrote down all pieces of path that are mandatory 14:43:46 and basically in one area there is necessarily a dead-end 14:44:09 and knowing that there is a dead-end there, we get a necessary dead-end some other place close 14:44:23 thus I don't really know what I'm supposed to do 14:47:29 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 14:48:42 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 14:49:13 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:49:22 where do you play that game? online? 14:51:51 yup 14:52:06 what url? 14:52:08 tromp_: it's an online test to... enter a school 14:52:10 42.fr 14:53:13 -!- joop has quit (Quit: Page closed). 14:54:46 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 14:55:02 but given the kind of tests I have passed already I wouldn't be surprised if the "solution" was that there actually was an invisible square somewhere, or something 14:55:10 which I would find most stupid 14:57:05 oklofok: basic theory is that I'm only allowed one dead-end, besides the square i'm starting with, right? 14:57:25 i dont understand all the french i'm agreeing to:( 14:57:31 haha 14:57:57 tromp_: they're asking you to certify you're not gonna be lying about the information you input 14:58:42 with the underlying threat that when you physically go to the school they'll find out anyway 14:59:03 that hasn't stopped quite a few journalists to register, though 14:59:15 these multiple choice are tough if u suck at french 14:59:40 tromp_: most are stupid question 14:59:47 like what is your favourite color 15:00:06 who is your favourite person, elijah wood or elijah whatshisname 15:00:32 hmm, a singleton choice questoin:) 15:00:34 I reckon the only one you should be careful with is the one about what an algorithm is 15:00:43 yeah that one was particularly tough 15:00:47 "Descartes... Est un moyen de transport dans Minecraft" 15:00:55 haha 15:01:03 wait, I didn't have that one 15:02:00 ok, they just told me I was done with all the tests, and that if I had passed them out of curiosity I should mention it now 15:02:16 I'm too curious about what follows though :) 15:04:01 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 15:06:50 Do I spy spam in the topic? 15:08:16 probably. they were kindly enough to share an album with you. 15:08:18 " oklofok: basic theory is that I'm only allowed one dead-end, besides the square i'm starting with, right?" <<< i was referring to the fact it's very easy to check if there's an eulerian trail/path through a graph. but this is a hamiltonian path, which is much harder. 15:08:38 what's eulerian? 15:09:05 -!- metasepia has joined. 15:09:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulerian_path 15:09:29 " a trail in a graph which visits every edge exactly once" 15:10:44 hmm, i'm not gonna get through the sms confirmation 15:11:14 tromp_: if you want you can use my phone 15:11:27 though it's possible they'll notice that number has already been used 15:11:54 dont think i can go back and change my phone number 15:12:06 oh right 15:12:30 weird; if u made typo in phone#, you're screwed:( 15:12:31 hmmm well they must have somthing to do to help people who mistyped their number 15:13:18 howmany digits s confirmation#? 15:13:54 what do you mean? 15:13:59 -!- carado has joined. 15:14:06 french numbers are 06 xx xx xx xx 15:14:11 i have to enter Code de confirmation 15:14:11 or maybe 07 sometimes 15:14:16 oh right 15:14:17 wait a sec 15:14:18 i can guess 15:14:40 or enter yours:) 15:14:50 maybe they use same # for everybody:) 15:14:51 mine was SMuauk 15:14:55 good luck 15:15:23 no luck:( 15:16:00 on unrelated news I just solved the puzzle BUT THE TEST HAS BEEN OVER FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES 15:16:10 maybe I can send them an email or something 15:16:53 wait 15:16:54 no 15:17:05 oh, i can enter a new phone# 15:17:08 no I'm still pretty convinced it's impossible 15:19:08 -!- carado_ has joined. 15:19:49 hey, anyone here a fan of semantic markup? 15:20:14 as in microformats? 15:20:21 what I want to ask is, is the correct way to do a form containing labels on the left that line up, matching form elements on the right that line up? 15:20:35 thinking about it, I guess the technically correct method involves
, CSS'ed to render as a table 15:20:36 As in the HTML5 stuff? 15:20:43 Taneb: or just HTML/CSS generally 15:21:19 you don't need any table. just “label { display: inline-block; width: 40em; } 15:21:22 ” 15:21:41 boily: what if you want the width to autoadjust? 15:21:43 then you can match a 15:21:50 hardcoded widths really annoy me 15:22:12 basically because they don't adjust to anything 15:22:12 instead of 40em, you can put 30%. 15:22:27 then, it'll match the parent block element. 15:22:29 well that's still hardcoded, and arguably worse because now it's adjusting to screen width not font size 15:22:53 I can understand a width=50% to do columns or the like 15:23:06 but apart from that, I want everything to size to the font or the like 15:23:19 one of the top reasons to use HTML for a user interface is that everything sizes to fit… 15:23:33 you want you label column to fit the width of the longest label? 15:23:37 (some other languages get this right too, like Java, but it has other problems) 15:23:39 boily: yes 15:23:52 or wrap the labels if there's no room for the longest label and the longest form element 15:24:01 you can cheat that with some javascript, but it's going to be ugly. 15:24:07 well exactly 15:24:11 or you could use a table 15:24:16 I'm just mostly worried about accessibility 15:24:43 really what you want is a \begin{align} from LaTeX, but HTML/CSS doesn't have that yet 15:25:21 index.ps 15:26:00 Things I do when I'm bored: 15:26:10 ais523: there seems to be a solution here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9325426/css-how-to-create-a-label-width-of-the-longest-containing-text 15:26:10 Write a program that when it's run, it deletes itself 15:26:57 boily: oh wow that's broken, if the labels aren't the same height as the thing they're labelling they'll end up mismatched 15:27:13 also the reading order is totally wrong 15:27:29 perhaps I should give up on trying to do CSS "correctly", it's just not possible :) 15:28:25 Write to the W3C 15:29:09 The page my router displays when you tell it to restart using its web interface is a table with one cell, which contains a font element 15:29:15 I like how they're trying to implement
. 15:29:47 Jafet: the thing that started this conversation was "I'm using a table for this atm, is there a more correct way?" 15:30:27 the hilarious thing is that I just remembered this was for a debug view 15:30:31 so nobody but me is likely to use it anyway 15:32:20 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:33:04 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:33:07 So tables are semantically wrong for displaying items in a tabular form 15:34:16 Jafet: hmm 15:34:33 I guess each of the rows is semantically meaningful, as is each of the columns 15:34:47 I'm not sure if the normal table navigation commands are what you'd want to use to navigate it, though 15:35:40 btw, this is for the jsondb stuff 15:35:55 I actually have it working a way I really like now, working many-to-many joins and everything 15:36:08 and an interface that's way nicer on me than SQL would be 15:36:13 because it can imply many of the joins itself 15:36:59 meanwhile, I'm also getting slightly better at reading Cyrillic 15:37:08 occasionally I can make out an English loanword even if all the letters are different 15:37:20 man 15:37:25 parliamentary privilege is fascinating 15:37:43 coppro: has someone just used it dramatically? 15:38:16 tromp_: how are you doing so far? 15:38:37 вокзал 15:39:17 Taneb: bleh 15:39:25 the first letter's a v 15:39:28 (actually an English loan word, sort of) 15:39:28 but apart from that 15:39:57 Roughly, "Vauxhall" 15:39:59 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 15:40:02 It means railway station 15:40:13 heh 15:40:48 -!- impomatic has joined. 15:42:10 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:43:57 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 15:46:26 Koen: see private chat 15:46:40 I'm gonna wander off now, perhaps 15:46:42 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:02:36 ais523: possible 16:02:37 *possibly 16:02:43 I was referring to the general matter, though 16:02:50 hmm, OK 16:03:00 it's an interesting choice of thing to randomly become interested in :) 16:03:06 ais523: Although I can't remember if I told you about Mr. Warawa and his motion on sex-selective abortion 16:03:10 you didn't 16:03:10 it's not particularly random 16:03:14 I've just been investigating it more 16:03:18 was he in favour of it or against it? 16:03:27 against 16:04:05 so the relevant context is that the House considered and defeated a motion to strike a special committee to investigate the legal definition of when life begins 16:04:39 now, Mr. Warawa submitted a private member's motion to condemn sex-selective abortion (and take no action 16:05:25 was this related, and/or an attempt to exploit a loophole? 16:05:35 depends who you ask 16:05:50 hmm 16:05:50 neither was overtly an attempt to ban abortion, however 16:06:29 I'm reminded of something that happened in guild council, where there were basically people trying to pass motions to make the guild take an opinion in the israel vs. palestine conflict 16:06:42 and I basically tried to scam guild council into making all the motions fail 16:06:46 in a symmetrical way 16:07:00 the chairs caught on to what I was doing and stopped it, although they didn't realise it was intentional until after the meeting 16:07:35 haha 16:07:43 Now, it is the rule and practice of the House that all private members' business must be screened before a subcommittee of the committee on procedure and house affairs to determine whether or not it is similar to business already brought up, or before the Senate 16:08:23 effectively just verifying that it isn't the same as business already considered 16:08:26 btw, should we take this conversation to ##nomic where it's actually ontopic? that way it'd be more likely for other people to chip in 16:08:30 sure 16:18:03 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:28:56 -!- nooga has joined. 16:31:21 -!- Bike_ has joined. 16:35:13 Grumble grumble "You must take the following steps before you can proceed: 1. Check your email for a message from MathWorks. 2. Click on the verification link in this email." but what if there is no message? 16:35:33 fizzie: then you can't proceed 16:35:41 But I want to proceed. :/ 16:36:34 -!- conehead has joined. 16:39:14 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 16:41:56 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:42:14 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 16:42:49 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 16:43:33 -!- sebbu has quit (Quit: reboot). 16:45:45 12:39:55: hmm, thatcher died 16:45:51 Phantom_Hoover: am I allowed to celebrate just this once 16:47:10 * Bike dances a jig 16:47:13 UK is now going through what the US went through when Reagan died 16:47:26 tons of sickening respect from official channels 16:47:40 but everyone saying "actually they were a prick" in informal or "opinion" channels 16:48:00 i don't know how their approval ratings at death compared though 16:48:15 (right before they died, I mean) 16:48:34 kmc: margaret thatcher's approval ratings have been pretty low for ages 16:48:59 Reagan is still seen by many as Republican Jesus, second only to actual Republican Jesus 16:49:14 supply-side jesus is a hero 16:49:15 (not be confused with actual Jesus, who said we should help the poor and stuff) 16:49:20 yes 16:49:37 trickle down jesus 16:50:11 http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/franken/ssj01.html if anyone hasn't seen it 16:51:14 kmc, well i mean in... most of the uk that isn't the home counties thatcher is intensely hated 16:51:30 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:51:40 Bike: good 404 16:51:57 -!- augur has joined. 16:52:05 13:06:50: partying over thatcher dying seems a bit.......morbid??? 16:52:05 13:07:06: yes, i think it's a bit tasteless myself 16:52:13 Phantom_Hoover: i can think of another morbid, tasteless thing 16:52:24 thatcher's corpse? 16:52:44 Bah. http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_franken.html 16:53:07 Bike: four oh four 16:53:30 *!#!^ 16:53:58 http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2003/09/The-Gospel-Of-Supply-Side-Jesus.aspx here have a terrible link 16:54:32 The Gospel of Supply-Side Jesus. Man, gotta read this. 16:54:47 ... also 404 *sobs* 16:54:57 are you fucking serious 16:55:13 whatever just google "supply side jesus" it's just a comic in one of franken's books 16:55:58 it's not 404 16:55:59 hth 16:56:15 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:56:43 he 16:56:43 h 16:56:49 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Quit: Bye). 16:57:19 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 16:58:15 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:59:07 kmc: hope elephants help 16:59:21 -!- sebbu has joined. 16:59:52 yes 16:59:52 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 16:59:52 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:00:17 invading italy? hope elephants help 17:00:21 (spoiler: they don't) 17:01:57 i think they worked alright in ethiopia 17:02:20 Phantom_Hoover: home counties means the area around London, but not London itself? 17:02:47 kmc: it means the counties that are near enough london to contain parts of it 17:02:49 i was assuming it meant the UK countries 17:02:53 but i guess not :( 17:03:00 there's some debate as to whether greater london is actually a county or not at all 17:03:03 ok 17:03:06 kmc, basically yeah 17:03:15 oh home COUNTIES 17:03:17 good job bike 17:03:45 so it arguably contains the outskirts of london, where it's thinned enough to not be solid city any more, but most people don't consider it to contain central london, or at least wouldn't mention it if it was central london they were referring to 17:05:50 -!- Koen_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:06:07 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:07:17 ais523: http://agoranomic.org/ is down, is there another URL I should point people to? 17:07:32 elliott: the FLR's at https://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~charles/agora/current_flr.txt 17:07:38 I guess that'll have to do in the absence of a homepage 17:07:53 that's, um, pretty bad 17:07:58 is it possible to subscribe to the lists? that was on agoranomic.org 17:08:29 well yeah, you just have to know the URLs 17:08:35 which are in the registrar's report 17:08:43 so if you get contact with agora somehow, you can bootstrap from there 17:08:57 ais523: re your HTML question: you can use but use the CSS properties to make them display as a table 17:09:01 *
here, considering browsers that ignore CSS 17:11:00 e.g. certainly in w3m or whatever the table form will be nicer 17:11:41 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:15:22 Where is "here"? 17:15:59 ~duck here 17:16:00 At or in this place: Stop here for a rest. 17:16:48 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:17:58 * FireFly stops 17:22:35 ~duck metasepia 17:22:36 Metasepia is a genus of small cuttlefish from the Pacific Ocean. 17:24:00 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 17:34:57 -!- fizzie has set topic: At or in this place: Stop here for a rest | Wire mesh Supply与您共享了相册。| roäld.dahl.net | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 17:35:27 -!- augur has joined. 17:35:38 Hey, I got the email. Now I can proceed. 17:41:39 the email 17:48:19 The email. From MathWorks. 17:48:55 ah. the email. 17:49:18 It is needed. In order to proceed. 17:49:31 It's not possible to proceed without the email. 17:49:41 BEHOLD 17:49:43 The power of the email. 17:49:47 The power to allow you to proceed. 17:50:12 I proceeded. Because I had the email. 17:50:14 Email. Reinvented. Again. 17:50:25 An elegant, minimalist, suckless email, done right, that celebrates craftsmanship 17:51:21 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 17:54:09 wow! i love craftsmanship, how did you know 17:56:17 Cliched ad copy. Reinvented. Again. 17:56:36 An elegant, minimal, suckless marketing slogan, done right, that celebrates large fonts. 17:57:05 * Gregor wipes a tear from his eye. 17:59:54 have you considered monetizing that emotion, gregor 18:03:36 -!- monqy has joined. 18:07:28 -!- john_metcalf has left ("http://corewar.co.uk "). 18:09:51 monetizement is evil. 18:11:24 But evil is good. 18:11:33 Socialist! 18:16:01 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:18:46 https://twitter.com/peteheat/status/321247583970418689/photo/1 18:22:23 Outstanding. 18:44:51 (is "margaret" a boy's name now or) 18:45:13 itt kids these days 18:45:22 market thatcher 18:45:30 gonna call her that from now on 18:46:28 it strangely fits her, for the little I know about her. 18:49:26 I just installed matlab with umask 077, and now only root has any privileges for the directories. 18:49:55 The files are all 755 or 644 or 444 or whatever, but the directories are all 0700. 18:50:52 (Also, there are 10998 *directories*. It's not a small program.) 18:51:30 There are 224637 files. I've had filesystems with less inodes than that. 18:53:20 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:54:51 Now if I could only figure out how to tell this Unity thing to do focus-follows-mouse instead of click-to-focus. 18:55:07 (Or maybe there's a modifier key for click-to-focus-but-not-raise?) 18:57:03 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:02:25 fizzie: the advanced unity settings are accessible via compizconfig settings manager, which isn't installed by default 19:02:31 but I'm not sure whether that's one of them 19:02:55 -!- augur has joined. 19:03:07 I think I'll just try to live without it. 19:03:44 At least MATLAB -- The Language of Technical Computing -- runs okay. Though there's a vaguely Ribbon-y toolbar in it now. 19:03:49 (This is R2010b.) 19:03:59 fizzie: compizconfig settings manager > general options > focus & raise behaviour 19:04:04 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:04:06 -!- augur_ has joined. 19:04:13 you have "click to focus", "raise on click", and "auto-raise" options 19:04:38 I guess click-to-focus without raise-on-click would've been okay. 19:04:45 (Sadly, I already shut the computer down.) 19:04:53 yeah, and then you can keybind something else to raise if you want to be able to change which window is on top 19:05:35 the other things is that you can lock windows as topmost using the window menu, that's what I normally do; the problem is that the window menu doesn't exist by default 19:05:50 and to turn it on you need to go into an entirely different set of settings 19:07:24 fizzie: did you forget a ™ 19:07:48 Apparently what I forgot was a ®. 19:07:55 fizzie: btw, what's your usecase for focusing without raising a window? 19:08:08 I've always wondered why people did that 19:08:20 and assumed it was something to do with typing into forms 19:08:55 ais523: I've got a piece of MATLAB® code that expects a keypress in the command window to iterate a single step, then replots the (existing) figure windows, and I wanted to keep stepping while the image windows were floating on top of the command window. 19:09:08 fizzie: right 19:09:23 I'd do that by pinning the image windows as topmost, with my setup, but sadly that /also/ needs customization :( 19:09:40 or if I was feeling particularly inane, making the command window transparent and leaving the image window behind it 19:10:42 I'd normally do it e.g. by floating the image windows and leaving the main MATLAB window on the tiling layer -- well, OTOH there's focus-follows-mouse in my normal setup, so it's not an issue in any case -- but the laptop's Linux side is a bit... between configurations. 19:12:49 Also curious: the "Displays" settings thing only had the laptop's native resolution in the drop-down; nothing smaller. I'm hoping it'll play nice with the projector, which certainly won't do 1080p. 1024x768, maybe. 19:14:01 fizzie: if you attach more than one screen it works out a common resolution 19:15:15 It had a mirror-screens checkbox, though grayed out at the time. 19:16:46 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 19:18:18 fizzie: you need multiple screens for it to work 19:20:13 Oh, a curious thing, too: recent nvidia binary drivers report the actual monitors and stuff in "xrandr -q". 19:21:14 I don't know if it can be actually configurated over xrandr, but at least the information query is now sane. It used to just return a single output with the bounding box size, and made-up refresh rates to differentiate between modes of the same (combined) size. 19:26:02 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:28:55 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:33:39 -!- ais523 has quit. 19:37:43 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:52:01 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:52:51 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 19:55:49 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:55:56 USA postal stamps say "USA FIRST-CLASS FOREVER" 19:55:57 real subtle 19:56:10 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 19:56:26 elliott, first year of the fortress is almost over 19:57:15 excellent 19:58:04 Ours say SUOMI FINLAND 1 luokka/klass or something similar. No mention about the foreverness. I guess it's implied when there's no monetary amount. 19:58:26 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:58:43 -!- augur has joined. 19:59:05 USA postal stamps say "USA FIRST-CLASS FOREVER" <-- really? .... wow 19:59:25 yes 19:59:26 it's because they're permanently valued stamps (nominally) 19:59:52 meaning they are always good for first-class mail, rather than having a nominal dollar value 20:00:00 ah 20:01:39 @list messages 20:01:39 tell provides: tell ask messages messages? clear-messages 20:03:55 ?messages 20:03:56 You don't have any new messages. 20:06:59 Why do many hotels require a keycard in the elevator? They try to increase security, but actually it reduces security. Some also require it in the stairs, which is against the fire code, although some don't (so when I didn't have the keycard, I went up the stairs to the 16th floor to knock on their door). 20:07:01 mess?ages 20:07:42 zzo38, I have never seen that 20:08:05 Some allow going to any floor with the keycard, while some only allow to go to your own floor. Going only to your own floor makes it much easier for thieves to get in. 20:08:30 ah? 20:08:35 also I don't like the new fangled key card concept, A proper physical key was much less annoying to fit in a pocket. Also what would happen if the power is out? Can't use the key card then... 20:08:56 obviously all doors open if the power fails 20:09:10 hotels go all lord of the flies immediately 20:09:27 Bike: not the shining? 20:09:34 i haven't seen the shining, so no 20:09:49 let's aim for a combination. 20:10:00 HEEEEERE'S PIGGY or something 20:10:11 Vorpal: Maybe they have a backup? You may be correct, though. 20:10:23 The point I was making is something else though. 20:10:29 also piggy dies by begin pushed from the 98th floor 20:10:33 *being 20:10:35 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 20:11:56 Vorpal: they might have batteries in the doors, perhaps? 20:12:06 maybe 20:12:07 I don't think I've ever been in a hotel with more than about 6 floors 20:12:13 Taneb, same 20:16:07 I keep hotel key cards in the wallet. 20:16:11 While staying at hotels, I mean, I don't generally wander around with random hotel keycards, that would be kinda suspicious. 20:16:13 i recall when i was a wee one and we were visiting Bodø (a regional center in northern norway, but not really large) we made a point of visiting the SAS hotel there because it was something like 10 stories and the tallest building in the county or something. and take the elevator to the top. so i've been at least in that high a hotel. 20:16:35 oerjan: Did you need a keycard in the elevator? 20:16:50 doubtful, this was the 70s i think. 20:17:32 I've been pretty high in an office building 20:17:40 since then i've been in the CN tower in toronto, although i don't think that's a hotel. 20:17:47 Taneb: Is that altogether legal? 20:18:17 fizzie, who knows 20:18:30 Yeah, the 88th floor is probably the highest I've been 20:18:50 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:18:59 oerjan has been to other countries? 20:19:01 oh, since the 70s. 20:19:13 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:19:22 Wait, it wasn't an office building 20:19:27 It's apartments 20:19:38 fizzie: i assume one of the points of the keycards, at least the electronic ones, is that they stop working when you check out so that it doesn't matter much if one is stolen. 20:19:49 i recall when i was a wee one and we were visiting Bodø (a regional center in northern norway, but not really large) we made a point of visiting the SAS hotel there because it was something like 10 stories and the tallest building in the county or something. and take the elevator to the top. so i've been at least in that high a hotel. <-- 10 stories the largest? Wow 20:19:56 I didn't realize Norway was that small 20:20:13 doubtful, this was the 70s i think. <-- man, how does it feel being that old? XD 20:20:14 Sometimes -- at least in my SimTower games -- a building may have more than one type of thing in it. 20:20:26 fizzie, SimTower? 20:20:28 Vorpal: the nordland county doesn't really have any cities 20:20:38 I used to play SimTower! 20:20:48 Vorpal: It's a Sim game where you run a skyscraper. 20:20:51 in troms i guess tromsø might count as one 20:20:54 The Vancouver Hotel used to be the tallest building in Vancouver. Now it is the smallest building. 20:20:56 oerjan, right. How many inhabitants are there in Oslo btw? (I assume that is the largest city?) 20:20:59 It's a game published but not developed by Maxis or something 20:21:13 but otherwise northern norway is very sparsely inhabited even compared to the rest of norway 20:21:25 Taneb, ah 20:21:26 ~duck oslo 20:21:27 Formerly Christiania The capital and largest city of Norway, in the southeast part of the country at the head of the Oslo Fjord, a deep inlet of the Skagerrak. 20:21:28 Vorpal: half a million or so? i don't recall 20:21:38 624000 20:21:43 oerjan, so about half the size of Stockholm then 20:21:48 or a little more than half 20:21:54 Taneb: There was some kind of a... maybe vaguely undocumented trick (modifier keys?) so that your lobby floor could be two or three floors high. It made fancy escalators then. 20:22:00 it used to be 400000 way back, but it keeps growing 20:22:09 is there a wolfram alpha bot? 20:22:30 would be useful: !wa inhabitants of Oslo 20:22:32 elliott: you may note i'm implicitly claiming having been to canada, there 20:22:39 Vorpal: It would be against the Terms of Services. 20:22:44 fizzie, oh, right 20:22:46 I prefer to use the stairs but nobody else I go with wants to use the stairs so we use the elevator instead. 20:22:52 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:22:55 Speaking of floors and legality: I think it's kind of funny that the grocery stores underground near the (Helsinki) railway station have always stayed open without any respect to rules and regulations that govern the opening hours of shops elsewhere. It's like, underground, the Laws of Man yield to the Laws of Nature. 20:23:10 zzo38, what is wrong with using the elevator? 20:23:11 oerjan: well when i round everyone up we can go find out if canada really exists 20:23:12 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 20:23:13 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:23:14 you are on the list btw 20:23:22 the `clist? 20:23:30 Vorpal: I just prefer to use the stairs. 20:23:47 fizzie, are there rules forbidding shops from being open 24/7? 20:23:59 zzo38: you should go by yourself more often so you can choose your mode of transportation freely 20:24:06 have you all proven canada's existence beyond ottawa lately, or is canada's status still limited to that city? 20:24:09 Vorpal: mind you there are taller buildings than that in trondheim. the university math building has 13 floors. 20:24:18 `clist 20:24:22 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: clist: not found 20:24:38 boily: nothing says ottawa is in canada 20:24:50 olsner, okay 20:25:01 Vorpal: okay 20:25:07 dammit 20:25:08 I'm not okay. 20:25:08 oerjan, okay 20:25:10 XD 20:25:16 I claim solidity! 20:25:21 olsner, o fails me yet again 20:26:02 i thought two characters was standard 20:26:48 Bike, I generally don't need it since I have "tab to last speak first" + I generally notice the difference between nicks, But olsner and oerjan are both the same length. 20:27:40 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:27:46 Bike, I would notice the difference between Bike and boily for example: Look very different. oerjan and olsner look pretty similar though. 20:28:01 hint: it's the letters that differ 20:28:04 sorry i'm illiterate and can't read what you said 20:28:04 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:28:09 olsner, you don't say 20:28:28 they should rename themselves oshort and olong, therefore they'd have a different length nick. 20:28:42 oolong 20:30:34 > length "oolong" == length "oshort" 20:30:36 True 20:31:13 or maybe we should be tall and short instead? 20:32:19 (wild guess: we're both average height) 20:32:21 @yarrjn 20:32:21 May the clap make ye incapable of Cracking Jenny's Tea Cup. 20:32:27 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:32:50 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:33:04 Vorpal: I haven't been keeping track on the rules and regulations, and they've switched them around. But at least at some point there were rules, and they somehow depended on the size of the store in question. 20:33:13 Bike: no it's not the c list 20:33:20 alist, if anything 20:33:28 `ølist 20:33:29 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ølist: not found 20:33:30 Also http://www.eeggs.com/items/359.html SimTower 2- or 3-story lobby just look at it. 20:33:31 I thought that was the list for antarctica. 20:33:33 fizzie, heh 20:34:06 or is that just everyone. is everyone going to antarctica. 20:34:47 no roads lead to antarctica, but somehow everyone ends up there anyway 20:35:02 As someone who's stuck in Antarctica right now, I agree. 20:35:10 http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/zell/simtower/guide.html also there's a picture on what escalators and stairs will look like in the SuperLobby. 20:35:11 Man. This winter is going to suck. 20:35:17 I suppose it could've been mentioned in the manual. 20:36:24 I also remember that thing that you can build more lobbies on floors 25, 50 and 75. 20:36:33 (Those can't be extra-high, I don't think.) 20:37:11 Or maybe it's every 15th floor. 20:37:28 Man. This winter is going to suck. <-- speaking of that, it snowed the day before yesterday 20:37:30 not much though 20:37:35 or wait, was it yesterday 20:37:37 one or the other 20:37:43 didn't actually stay on the ground 20:37:45 It snowed here yesterday. 20:37:51 but yeah, this winter is blergh 20:37:54 lasting way too long 20:37:54 Vorpal: this being sweden, it probably snowed both of those days? 20:37:57 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:38:01 olsner, actually no 20:38:09 I'm not up in the north 20:38:14 Snow here always sticks. 20:38:22 olsner, but this is one slow winter 20:38:29 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 20:38:33 Really annoying 20:38:35 I've been able to survive without a winter jacket for several days now, so it seems to be letting go 20:38:55 well yes 20:38:56 It snows most in the middle of summer (i.e. December). In the winter, it's usually too cold for snow. 20:39:01 My current bus ticket expires on April 26th, I was hoping for snowless roads by then, I don't do the whole bicycle-in-a-snow thing the other people do, it sounds a bit too sporty. 20:39:11 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:39:15 olsner, I have an early spring/late autumn jacket now 20:39:36 tswett, where is that? 20:39:42 Antarctica. 20:39:46 hah 20:39:50 too cold for snow? does it rain CO2 or something instead? 20:40:01 tswett, I thought you were in UK? 20:40:03 No, there just isn't any precipitation. 20:40:23 fizzie, or use a car? 20:40:28 fizzie, if you have one that is 20:40:49 tswett, seriously are you on Antarctica? 20:40:50 Vorpal: nope. I was born in Australia, and then I moved to Finland for school, and I was planning to go on a vacation to Antarctica but now it turns out I'm stuck here. 20:41:12 tswett, here being Antarctica? 20:41:15 Yeah. 20:41:22 tswett, stuck? Why? 20:41:33 Bike: you fail to understand 20:41:41 Bike: the same people who go to antarctica are also going to canada. 20:41:44 Apparently my student visa in Finland has expired and then Australia no longer considers me a citizen. 20:42:00 tswett, no longer a citizen? Why? 20:42:09 tswett: Does that make you stateless? 20:42:10 So... you are not a citizen of anywhere? 20:42:13 And you are not joking? 20:42:16 Yeah, what pikhq said. 20:42:20 ouch 20:42:25 well, I need to sleep 20:42:26 cya 20:42:29 See you. 20:42:44 I guess there's some legal thing about this. Like. 20:43:18 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:43:21 Congrats on having an easy way to European citizenship. 20:43:22 send a mail to the mayor of hexham, maybe they'll let you in 20:43:37 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:43:46 My parents have never been Australian citizens, but having been born in Australia, I was a citizen there, but in order to maintain my citizenship status, I couldn't leave the country for two years continuously before the age of 23. 20:44:04 elliott: Some kind of `calist? Are you out of your mind? 20:44:11 I didn't actually know that until I'd already been in Finland for three years. 20:44:15 tswett: Which nation are they citizens of? 20:44:17 pikhq: oh? What's that? 20:44:22 The US. 20:44:26 tswett, you have much more of a claim to Australian citizenship than I do 20:44:30 Oh, you're not stateless then. 20:44:41 And yet, I have an Australian citizenship 20:44:46 Bike: they are all also going to wherever the people after them on the list live, to pick them up. 20:44:49 Taneb: how's that? 20:44:58 My dad's Australian 20:45:02 By the way, you've got back taxes. 20:45:02 * tswett nods. 20:45:07 You're an American citizen. 20:45:14 Bike: I'll probably start with Taneb and then PH, because they are nearest. you may be close to last. 20:45:35 ...I see. So what happens if I go there and I can't pay my taxes? 20:45:43 elliott, if you get me first the universe may end 20:45:46 I have no idea. 20:45:50 Hopefully they'd just garnish my income or something and not throw me in jail... 20:45:51 Which is either stupid or a brilliant plan 20:45:57 maybe they cancel your citizenship and export you 20:46:01 olsner: No. 20:46:04 elliott: so it's like a chain huh 20:46:06 tswett: It's something like that. 20:46:07 Taneb: that is okay. what will be worth doing after the trip, after all? 20:46:19 Bike: yes 20:46:22 a linked list of people 20:46:24 Basically, the US taxes the income of its citizens. Regardless of the jurisdiction where they made that income. 20:46:26 I don't think there are any circumstances under which the US will terminate citizenship. Well, other than by request. 20:46:30 uh `llist 20:46:36 * tswett nods. 20:46:45 Yes, it's actually really tricky to terminate US citizenship. 20:46:47 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:46:54 You have to be *really trying*. 20:47:08 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:47:10 Gregor: What if you do something really stupid, and they're just that embarrassed to have you one of their citizens. 20:47:20 fizzie: Then you become President. 20:47:30 But yeah. The US does jus sanguinis. You have always been an American citizen. 20:47:36 fizzie america has people literally going to libya to shoot at people we have pretty high standards for stupidity 20:47:47 Good to know. 20:47:55 pikhq, my gran was born in California, but never claimed citizenship 20:47:59 How does that affect me? 20:48:00 I wonder if I should actually move, though? I actually really like the people here. 20:48:09 Taneb: You too are a citizen, but that is tricky to prove. 20:48:15 Taneb: When are you moving to CA? 20:48:17 (This is all a joke, btw; I assume everyone already knows that.) 20:48:25 The climate is... yeah, a bit problematic. 20:48:42 In UK secondary schools do you have something like a major field of study, like in post-secondary? 20:48:52 Bike, ish 20:48:54 tswett: how far back does the joke go? 20:49:08 Because this form is asking me for my high school major and i'm baffled. 20:49:14 baffled and american 20:49:15 But living here really makes people feel closer to each other. And lots of them are scientific researchers, so that's really cool. 20:49:30 US citizenship is viral :3 20:49:37 Taneb: If you're serious about it you may need to find a lawyer to get shit in order. 20:49:44 * boily pampers his canadian passport 20:49:49 pikhq, I... don't really want to be a US citizen 20:49:56 If you've ever spoken with a US citizen, you're a US citizen. 20:49:57 That said, you basically will just be demonstrating that you already *have* the citizenship. 20:49:59 olsner: everything I've said so far is part of the joke. 20:50:06 are you sure? you get semi-exclusive rights to be dronestriked 20:50:10 dronestruck 20:50:10 `? tswett 20:50:12 tswett? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 20:50:17 If you're aware of the existence of the United States, you're a US citizen. 20:50:27 Taneb: But come on, you could actually vote for the President. :P 20:50:31 `learn tswett is livin' it up with the penguins 20:50:35 I knew that. 20:50:35 Gregor: Only if you're also not aware of the existence of any other country. 20:50:43 pikhq, I don't need a third citizenship! 20:50:53 Taneb: Sorry, de jure you have one. 20:50:55 Taneb is american? 20:51:00 Phantom_Hoover, apparently! 20:51:07 what is the theoretical maximum citizenship number you can achieve? 20:51:08 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:51:08 Wikipedia seems to suggest that there's actually some conditions that apply, depending on if one or two parents were citizens, and whether they were married or not. 20:51:10 apparently i'm irish 20:51:20 Actually, oh god. If you're feeling crazy you could just fly to America and apply for a social security card. 20:51:23 pikhq: wait. So because Taneb's grandmother was born in CA, the US considers Taneb to owe taxes on everything he/she earns? 20:51:32 despite the fact that /none/ of my family have lived in the republic 20:51:33 You can "just fly to America"? 20:51:45 tswett: He could enter on one of his passports. 20:51:46 tswett, us Hexhamers all have wings 20:51:53 pikhq: *not* 20:52:09 And then ignore the visa requirements because he's a legally residing citizen. 20:52:17 Pronounced /ˈhɛksəmər/. 20:52:20 tswett: Unless Taneb's mother/father lost citizenship, yes he's a citizen. 20:52:42 Or Taneb's grandmother. 20:52:49 pikhq: so, does that mean that you're a citizen as long as any of your ancestors have been citizens, and nothing weird has happened in the middle? 20:52:57 Taneb: Did either of your parents even ever live in the US? 20:53:08 Roughly. I think there's a couple extra rules, but yeah. 20:53:18 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:53:18 fizzie, no 20:53:24 My gran did until she was 3, I think 20:53:30 I feel like this is the most ridiculous discussion I've seen in this channel. 20:53:32 surely by now that includes some massive fraction of the human population 20:53:40 ("If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever had a residence in the U.S. prior to the child's birth; If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth; If one parent is a U.S. ... 20:53:41 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:53:47 ... citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if; the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[7] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and; at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday." 20:53:49 Looking it up now, and I am probably not a US citizen 20:53:52 And that was just the part for children born in wedlock. 20:53:58 Bike: you're in washington right 20:54:00 It doesn't sound all that straightforward. 20:54:03 Yes. 20:54:06 Argh, yeah, it's nutsier. 20:54:08 It's pretty far from Antarctica I'm afraid. 20:54:15 Taneb: Very specific details needed it sounds like. 20:54:22 Good thing my citizenship situation is really simple. 20:54:42 Taneb: Did either of your parents live in the US? 20:54:47 No 20:55:00 Only the UK, Australia, and Pakistan 20:55:08 My parents are US citizens who have always lived in US-controlled places, and so am I. I've also only ever been outside the country once, for, like, part of a day. 20:55:17 Taneb, good news, you're not american 20:55:21 Yay! 20:55:27 tswett, i... 20:55:34 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:55:38 which other country did you visit 20:55:40 If you really wanted to be your grandmother could probably sponsor you for immigration. :P 20:55:43 Canada. 20:55:58 "Wait, wait, Antarctica is part of USA?" 20:55:59 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 20:56:00 Slovakia. 20:56:02 But no, Canada. 20:56:17 tswett: are you sure it was canada? 20:56:41 secretly, i have an antarctican citizenship 20:56:41 I'm pretty sure it was Canada. 20:56:48 Might have been Mexico, but probably Canada. 20:57:07 maybe it was just disneyland 20:57:09 But no, it was definitely Canada. 20:57:42 I'm in one of those funny places where if I want to go to Canada, the shortest way is to go east-southeast. 20:58:00 Detroit? 20:58:02 New England? I'm sorry. 20:58:08 Not quite Detroit. 20:58:27 Hmm, right, you would've actually just said "south" thin. 20:58:29 *then 20:58:36 oh, or alaska i suppose. 20:58:43 Could be Alaska. 20:58:56 -!- btiffin has joined. 20:58:58 I'm reasonably close to New York, though. 20:59:09 In which case I'd tell you I'm sorry, but you'd be dead by the time you got my message 20:59:14 It's only two states away, if you consider Ontario a state. 20:59:36 'Fraid I consider Canada a state. 21:00:04 I'm not sure whether or not I live in the convex hull of Canada. 21:01:15 Okay, I do live in the convex hull of Canada. 21:01:29 I live beside Hull 21:01:34 If you draw a line from Victoria to Windsor, I'm pretty sure I'm north of that line. 21:01:40 Across a river. 21:01:53 i'm pretty sure i'd notice if i lived in a hull 21:02:35 The line *is* pretty curvy on a Google-Maps-projection map, though, if you want to draw a great-circle line. 21:03:14 The straight-in-that-projection line would've pretty much put the whole of North Dakota inside the famed Convex Hull of Canada. 21:03:20 btiffin, you don't live in hexham by any chance 21:03:23 I used to sleep in the bow, not from off the hull, curled up on top of wet fishing nets when I a was a wee lad. Very comfortable bouncing in rough swells. 21:04:03 Oh yeah, Google-Maps-projection lines aren't the same as great circle lines. 21:04:16 What's that map projection that maps great circles onto lines? 21:04:38 I don't know, but Google Maps' "ruler" tool draws great-circle lines on their map. 21:04:54 Since when does Google Maps have a ruler tool... 21:04:59 Hull was too English though, so when the world amalgamated it's cities, Hull become Gatineau 21:05:00 It might be a tool that needs to be toggled on from some settings thing. 21:05:28 mercantile? 21:05:29 When turned on, it's right there in the lower-left corner next to the scale. 21:05:55 Yes, it's one of the Maps Labs things. 21:06:16 Phantom_Hoover: Ottawa 21:06:18 (Bottom of the left sidebar, "Distance Measurement Tool". It's very handy. It lets you draw polylines and reports their length.) 21:07:46 Okay, so I still live in the convex hull of Canada. 21:08:59 tswett, move to Hull 21:09:07 Is Hull in the convex hull of Canada? 21:09:27 Nah, it's somewhere in the UK 21:09:48 I think we're actually pretty far North, relative to Windsor 21:10:05 there's a Hull in massachusetts 21:10:44 -!- pib1999 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:12:01 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 21:13:08 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 21:13:18 Ottawa is apparently about 13 degrees south of here 21:14:27 And 10 degrees south of here 21:15:17 i guess most place names in England are duplicated in Massachusetts 21:15:41 massachusetts is pretend england 21:15:41 kmc, I'd be highly surprised if it's even a third 21:15:42 I think I'm about 60.2 degrees north of the equator. 21:15:59 "Hull is the worst place to live in the UK" -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/4136342.stm 21:16:41 sounds like that'd be close to the southernmost part of finland 21:17:14 olsner: Most of Finland, as measured by population, is. (Well, maybe not quite "most".) 21:17:53 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:17:57 Yep, we Canadians have all amassed right up on the US border. 90% of our population with 200 km. They have a nicer fireplace to warm fingers with. 21:18:32 canadian invasion O: 21:19:21 I can only get generic "center coordinates" of countries from W|A, I don't know how to tell it to compute the centroid of people living here. 21:19:26 Canada is perhaps the country I've been second-closest to without ever visiting 21:20:52 I don't think I've been closer to Canada than the Seattle airport. Though I'm not sure what sort of route the plane took. 21:21:14 Northern Montana 21:21:31 Crap load of space just waiting for global warming to catch up. 21:21:32 i lived in various parts of canada 21:22:17 If this flightmapper.net line is accurate (though it looks like a straight line), maybe I've flown over Canada. I guess that doesn't count as visiting? 21:23:07 my same named cousin has lived there all his life 21:23:14 I think we still parcel out 500 acres (200 hectares) of land for anyone willing to stake a claim and work land for resources. Though I do believe you have to pass a sanity test first now. 21:36:40 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:37:02 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 21:38:11 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:38:20 -!- pib2013 has joined. 21:38:37 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 21:39:12 -!- Zerker_ has quit (Client Quit). 21:39:13 (This is all a joke, btw; I assume everyone already knows that.) <-- i'm _not_ betting on Vorpal hth 21:40:04 I'm still struggling to figure out exactly what part of tswett is a joke 21:40:05 Vorpal: key cards are a lot more convenient for the hotel though 21:40:13 I'M BETTING IT ALL THAT VORPAL IS REAL 21:40:19 they can reprogram them for every guest, so you can't just steal a card and sneak in later 21:40:22 I'M BETTING IT ALL 21:40:28 shachaf: bet it all on black 21:40:39 black and yellow 21:40:40 here we go again 21:41:08 hi monqy 21:41:32 kmc: Sadly, [insert that thing about electronic hotel locks that you can program to do whatever with inexpensive hardware and that are in like half the hotels anywhere]. 21:41:37 or should i call you........james/brian 21:41:50 O well. 21:42:12 shachaf: no 21:42:25 oh 21:43:20 That thing with an Arduino in it, I forget which lock it was. 21:43:28 Onity. 21:43:43 http://daeken.com/blackhat-paper 21:43:43 Gregor: explain to olsner exactly what part of me is a joke. 21:43:49 I guess that's the thing I was thinking of. 21:43:53 monqy: is your fathers name also monqy 21:44:09 no 21:44:27 your mother? 21:44:56 no 21:45:08 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 21:45:16 monqy: is your own name monqy? 21:45:41 no 21:46:16 Trivia: the e in Ngevd either doesn't stand for anything or stands for "Eliot". 21:46:26 I am sorry to have mislead you. 21:46:29 Goodnight. 21:46:30 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:46:52 Canada. <-- aha now i understand this canada thing; it's something the us invented so people can claim to have been outside the country! 21:47:26 AIUI, the next-to-US parts of Mexico are kind of used for the same purpose. 21:47:50 (Perhaps it depends on if you're in the north or the south?) 21:48:32 I think canada is where you go to avoid getting drafted, and mexico is where you go when you accidentally kill someone and have to avoid the law 21:48:56 mexico is where you go to get extra drunk if you're a college student in southern california 21:49:29 border towns typically have a seedy aspect, especially when one country is much richer 21:50:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bordering_countries_with_greatest_relative_differences_in_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita is an interesting list 21:50:39 wikipedia and lists! 21:50:51 yemen can't get a break 21:50:55 list of all lists that do not contain self-referential humor about lists 21:51:10 macau and hong kong are countries, huh 21:51:13 you should make a program that injects bad facts into wikipedia pages when you fetch them over http 21:51:28 DR Congo makes the list with practically all of its neighbors 21:51:52 Yay, Finland/Russia made the list. (Though at #121 it's maybe nothing to write home about.) 21:52:04 shachaf: much like that program that keeps inserting references to canada? 21:52:06 finland, so poor 21:52:07 "the British Overseas Territories of Akrotiri and Dhekelia located in the island of Cyprus" how do europeans even do anything, you must cross a border on your way out of bed 21:52:12 What's that map projection that maps great circles onto lines? <-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomonic_projection 21:52:22 Norway/Russia is like #79. 21:52:29 i think before i looked at this list, my guess for #1 was the Korean border 21:52:30 but it's only #3 21:52:45 zimbabwe :( 21:53:01 I guess it's a trap for Westerners who think "Africa is poor" because while Africa is poor, some parts of Africa are way poorer than others 21:53:29 I don't know if the Zimbabwe numbers can even be trusted 21:53:45 i think i can trust that zimbabwe's had a shitty economic time, though 21:53:47 generally a problem when your currency hyperinflates and people start using candy and fast food coupons instead 21:53:50 yeah 21:54:10 seriously, the fast food restaurants there have issued their own payment chits (which are decently well produced, they have holograms and stuff) 21:54:28 welp. 21:54:28 this for making change in quantities smaller than the smallest available USD / ZAR / etc. bills 21:54:32 #69 is probably the highest up of the borders I've crossed. :/ (And it's only there because Liechtenstein is so silly.) 21:54:43 heh 21:54:55 i've crossed #65 21:55:59 Heh, Liechtenstein leads the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita 21:56:58 There's a nice list (well, template) of lists of countries by different kinds of GDP rankings. 21:57:39 ~eval 50565 / 47882 21:57:40 -!- augur has joined. 21:57:42 Error (1): 21:57:43 Lesotho is an enclave within a country five times as rich 21:57:44 ~eval 50565 / 47882 21:57:46 that must be weird 21:57:46 1.0560335825571197 21:58:45 Albania: Bet It All On Bunkers 21:58:51 I'M BETTING IT ALL THAT VORPAL IS REAL <-- i think you may have misinterpreted my non-bet, hth 21:59:11 There's no "List of bordering countries with smallest relative differences in GDP (PPP) per capita". 22:02:23 Someone on LinkedIn just pondered about unlambda in OpenCOBOL. Off to learn something new. Tarball has a .c implementation, so that part is linked already, but now to figure out how to pass values 22:02:44 Germany/Belgium has a ratio of about 1.008 (with the CIA World Factbook GDP/PPP numbers), that's quite close to 1. 22:02:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean_Louis_Th%C3%A9odore_G%C3%A9ricault_001.jpg just pasting this here because it's my favorite painting ever 22:03:04 horses 22:03:19 Bike: Are those the Four Horsemen of the Apoclopolypse? 22:03:27 >:\ 22:03:33 looks like 1 long horse 22:03:37 Bike: um i demand my paintings to have unwavering bands of light 22:03:41 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 22:03:47 is that that thing on the right 22:04:43 looks more like a pole 22:04:56 Horseusine: a luxury horse with a compartment for the passengers and a separate compartment for the driver. 22:05:03 but what is a pole doing in epsom instead of poland 22:05:46 kmc: Did mosh get accepted to SoC? 22:06:06 no :/ 22:06:12 :-( 22:06:24 imo add a special no-google-employee clause to the license 22:06:41 Oh, you already said in the channel. 22:08:08 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:12:31 There's no "List of bordering countries with smallest relative differences in GDP (PPP) per capita". <-- for some reason some of them were listed in the text of the other list article, though 22:13:48 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 22:14:15 Lucky anagram, unlambdacobol, A Bland Coulomb, name chosen for me. lambdacobol would have been Ballad Combo 22:16:25 btiffin: i'm sure writing an unlambda interpreter directly in cobol cannot be worse than in intercal 22:19:08 intercal is basically a parody of cobol right? 22:19:31 maybe more of fortran? 22:19:50 a parody of several old languages, several of which i probably don't know? 22:20:22 it's intended goal is to be different from all of them, anyhow 22:20:25 *its 22:20:33 i don't remember intercal being much like fortran, from what little i know of either 22:20:49 Bike: well it has arrays. 22:22:19 -!- impomatic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:22:37 -!- impomatic has joined. 22:36:34 -!- carado_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:37:50 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 22:40:03 kmc: You could go be a mentor for haskell.org instead! 22:40:21 shrug 22:40:49 -!- Bike_ has joined. 22:42:13 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 22:43:41 -!- Regis__ has joined. 22:44:31 guys lets make a lang 22:44:49 k 22:45:53 how about one that mimics some animal 22:47:27 yeah like a brainfuck derivative that mimics monkeys or cows 22:47:34 highly innovative language design imo 22:48:20 elliott: uhhhh monkeys don't say ook 22:48:23 i'm p. sure i read that somewhere 22:48:58 Perhaps there is a better way than like that anyways, though 22:51:02 callabc.cob just compiled and evaluated hello.unl, A Bland Coulomb, phase 1 complete, now for the data passing parts. Which means learning wtf unlambda is. 22:52:23 elliott: um probably he means like homespring 22:52:36 elliott: because who would in this day and age even consider making another ook :] 22:53:40 shachaf: apes do, though 22:54:03 oerjan: well obviously we do 22:55:45 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 22:57:36 hey i like animals 22:57:42 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 22:57:51 what if we use a lang from lord of the rings 22:58:06 finnish? 22:58:09 Well then you wouldn't be making it, you'd be pretending you're Tolkien. 22:58:15 bike seizes the opportunity to apply his knowledge 22:58:34 QUIZ: is finnish an esoland y/n 22:58:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:59:06 g 22:59:10 i guess finland would be the esoland 22:59:15 for example, you could make a duck-like esolang, that defiles conspecial corpses 22:59:18 and finnish the esolang 22:59:21 or is that estonia?????? 23:00:49 i don't think estonia is an animal, per se 23:01:20 estonians more like esotnians 23:01:40 quiz: are the latvian countries a ring species 23:02:12 QUIZ: is norway exists imo no 23:02:51 Regis__, already exists, is boring 23:03:39 how about brainfuck with threads 23:04:20 oops already exists 23:09:02 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:11:02 how about dont even think about making a brainfuck derivative because unless you really know what you're doing it will invariably be bad 23:11:24 Oh, meh. Everyone makes a Brainfuck derivative. 23:13:21 monqy: um what about there once was a fish named fred "even amateurs can make valuable contributions to the field" 23:13:32 shachaf: :☺) 23:13:54 monqy: how can i be more like you 23:13:59 good question 23:14:32 oh no i just got a youtube subscriber 23:14:33 what 23:14:35 how 23:14:38 what did i do wrong :'( 23:15:01 make a youtube account 23:15:13 /made? i thought i had typed made but noooooo 23:15:20 maybe it was a command 23:18:11 http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html 23:18:21 so is this some well-known thing that i'm late to the party for 23:19:55 Regis__: indented bf. indent = [ outdent = ] 23:24:06 `slis 23:24:07 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slis: not found 23:24:08 `slist 23:24:09 slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 23:25:47 Phantom_Hoover: this is cute 23:26:13 oh ive seen that 23:26:18 it doesnt work very well 23:26:43 i love when it doesn't work 23:27:22 it seems to vary a lot from song to song 23:27:32 iirc a couple i tried earlier worked well 23:29:32 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:30:03 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:31:06 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:33:06 http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRVHPII13AFF43D495 hahaha 23:34:36 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 23:43:43 -!- btiffin has left. 23:43:52 Really, Indiana? Thunderstorms? For realsies? Right when I'm doing laundry? 23:44:54 wait Gregor is in indiana now? 23:45:36 he always has been hasnt he 23:46:16 he used to be in oregon although i do remember he left that. i thought he was on the east coast. isn't indiana sort of midwest? 23:46:47 purdue is in indiana(i think?? that's what 'IN' stands for right) sooooooooo 23:46:50 so it is 23:46:54 ah. 23:47:40 hm i'm probably confusing with someone else. who here was in georgia? 23:49:05 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:52:41 purdue is INdiana 23:52:45 oerjan: cake profit 23:52:58 wat 23:53:04 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 23:53:09 phe 23:53:46 wait do you mean... 23:54:14 wow i didnt think this one would be ahrd 23:54:15 hard 23:54:16 nope 23:54:27 oh 23:54:39 cake prophet??? i meant cake prophet 23:54:40 kallisti: elliott is trying to confuse me! 23:55:01 i make up for it by remembering your current nick 23:58:00 elliott: what actually happened was i didn't connect your answer to my question but instead with reddit cakes, so i scrambled to check if it was my reddit birthday (it's not) 23:58:11 weird mind is 23:58:42 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:59:11 ah.