< 1364688043 796562 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364688064 877175 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364688099 33844 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364688099 268971 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364688533 914276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: cool, can you tell us more about them? < 1364688552 237235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cablevision apparently underwrites the Lustgarten Foundation < 1364688599 251049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1364688706 558028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lustgarten Foundation sounds like a German porn company. < 1364688721 32207 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lust...garten < 1364688743 976328 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pancreatic cancer, aight < 1364688746 569963 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a German porn charity < 1364688755 831522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is the first time since I got this computer (almost 1.5 years ago now) that I managed making it swap. At all. < 1364688762 946415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an adult "make a wish" foundation dealie < 1364688794 34375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I did was having over 100 tabs open in chromium AND playing single player minecraft with a lot of mods. < 1364688867 922664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much physical RAM do you have? < 1364688873 569209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, 16 GB < 1364688921 544541 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The motherboard & chipsets supports up to 32, so there is some room for future expansion < 1364688977 101194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1364688983 176662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also 4 GB was allocated to minecraft on the java command line) < 1364688993 672055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1364689004 543136 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364689046 935775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's not setting aside 4GB of physical memory right away thuogh < 1364689052 274445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have overcommit disabled < 1364689053 605693 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1364689064 641720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I ran that minecraft instance for all day < 1364689075 298978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wouldn't be surprised if it had reached that limit < 1364689098 408636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I tend to watch youtube and play mc at the same time for example, at least when I'm playing creative < 1364689122 910924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that way i end up running both programs all day < 1364689142 599703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364689277 785707 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364689385 834440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a correlation between the airplane destination and the golf scores? < 1364689400 783579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why would there be? < 1364689416 843590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: here are my AES-NI example programs: https://github.com/kmcallister/aesni-examples < 1364689437 742709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, AES-NI is sandy or ivy bridge? < 1364689438 941087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1364689481 819280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :older < 1364689485 516283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1364689488 542194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, core 2? < 1364689491 859372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :westmere, 2010 < 1364689495 524957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1364689496 685699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1364689506 199233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not included in all models < 1364689512 928865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :westmere was the die shrink of nehalem < 1364689523 947118 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364689532 400880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Several vendors have shipped BIOS configurations with the extension disabled... a BIOS update is required to enable them" < 1364689535 398668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckers < 1364689538 422505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my thinkpad has it < 1364689544 166332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop has it < 1364689546 425202 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364689547 964959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1364689552 332297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thinkpad is too old for it < 1364689557 605749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a core 2 duo < 1364689561 782114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely doesn't have it < 1364689568 506507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009 I think < 1364689569 394619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an i5-3427U < 1364689586 37557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1364689595 910136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what that means in terms of generation < 1364689606 420378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is a "model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz" < 1364689606 615193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivy bridge < 1364689609 103483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364689615 151076 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is sandy bridge I know < 1364689768 749642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my previous laptop has a T8100 which was early 2008 ;P < 1364689806 74324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange to think that was 5 years ago < 1364689813 678650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah < 1364689828 236559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compare with the change from say 1998 -> 2003 < 1364689855 138649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel a huge speed difference with the 5 year old laptop as long as it has an SSD < 1364689867 740860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I booted the OS from my first own computer in an emulator a while back, on my core 2 duo thinkpad... Damn it booted fast. (Mac OS 9) < 1364689887 211972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :much faster than my real first-gen ibook did it (yes I still have it) < 1364689897 26799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the toilet seat ibook? < 1364689905 600448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, blue clamshell < 1364689912 55562 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery is bust though < 1364689925 828528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the power connector is glitchy < 1364689935 820184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to be very careful not to move it when using it < 1364689937 203489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1364689943 991090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still running OS 9? < 1364689945 484449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally put some bluetac under the connector < 1364689959 997977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes of course, with 3.2 GB HDD, what else could it run ;P < 1364689965 362645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 64 MB RAM < 1364690000 550910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it is after all from early 2001 iirc? < 1364690007 533382 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it late 2000? < 1364690010 299775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1364690020 150269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh and the clock battery is bust too < 1364690036 564272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :always thinks it is 1904 when booting < 1364690045 897513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, still, sometimes I boot it for the nostalgia < 1364690081 589053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the emulator is kind of glitchy... Didn't run Avernum 3 properly (it did run Avernum 1 & 2 though) < 1364690086 540909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were great games < 1364690107 478242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with "properly" I mean "emulator crashed" < 1364690194 42163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, I need to sleep < 1364690195 127834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1364690206 84974 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364690227 813885 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364690266 233952 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364690266 428900 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364690408 155683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i got one recently, put Linux on it, but it wasn't stable :/ < 1364690430 782639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran Linux on a lot of 68k and PPC macs back in the day < 1364690652 437532 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364690669 171000 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1364690678 552524 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364690759 681285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still feel like 1GB is a lot < 1364690788 184714 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on what you're putting in that gb < 1364690804 334575 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any 5-7-5 haiku-ey code floating about? I have one in COBOL and wondered if there others. 5-7-5 that compiles and runs to completion without a segfault, whether the execution is nothing but return. If so, is there a common pronunciation guide for BF for counting syllables? < 1364690816 931656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1GB is a lot for some things. < 1364690857 232384 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's the letter 'q' then yes you can put a lot in there and even compress it, but good luck with that idk lossless anime's or something < 1364690878 358879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 giga-animes per second < 1364690902 220963 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo count 5-7-5 chars, in BF < 1364690939 261696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc dec left right in out start loop < 1364690972 135836 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all singles, nice. thanks. < 1364690984 129402 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :program-id. sun. < 1364690994 383648 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedure division. add < 1364691004 516849 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 to return-code. < 1364691032 221694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 'sun' counts as a seasonal reference to the summer < 1364691034 43054 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-7-5 COBOL that compiles and returns fail. Fails as code, and as poetry. < 1364691047 933919 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] < 1364691050 891814 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+[>+<+ < 1364691053 648823 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++]>. < 1364691057 878717 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :appends a U to stdin < 1364691102 182723 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkc; yep, original is program-id. one. But I took hit on the wikipedia haiku page for asking to put it in, so now it's seasonal. < 1364691106 538098 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: nice. < 1364691121 951927 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat is awesome. thanks. < 1364691533 177797 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I'm about to put that in the OpenCOBOL FAQ, would you like accreditation? < 1364691757 303419 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but i don't know what you could credit me as... "nooodl on freenode"? < 1364691839 882163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircp://irc.freenode.net:6666/ns/info/nooodl is what I would think is the URL for that (according to the specification I wrote, anyways)? < 1364691866 408801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I can totally credit people as "nooodl on freenode" < 1364691904 148631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "appends a U to stdin" doesn't strike me as particularly useful ;) < 1364691947 179746 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you try doing something useful in 17 bytes of brainfuck! < 1364691953 689229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1364692092 782912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe 'inc dec left right in out do while' < 1364692117 705368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not quite like a C do-while loop < 1364692135 102708 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "start" and "end" for [] < 1364692406 926284 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bra and ket perhaps? < 1364692414 800621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :while endw. < 1364692427 912426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's in something.) < 1364692439 261380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic has while wend < 1364692442 517439 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1364692444 573448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure in what language 'endw' is a single syllable < 1364692446 552052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I read them as one syllable mentally that doesn't have a pronunciation < 1364692450 924104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wend' is ok < 1364692456 454132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "while wend" is BASIC < 1364692461 802438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: sapir-whorf hpyothesis < 1364692472 2658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's false, it's easily disprovable on personal experience < 1364692481 17839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I frequently have thoughts I can't express in English or any other language I know < 1364692505 777353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's one for you: see:visualise::hear:audialise::taste:? < 1364692507 935639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know you really had those thoughts < 1364692516 538607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fits the question mark? < 1364692522 245192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug, you could describe it in english, it just takes more than one word < 1364692525 802193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can mentally put a single word there, but don't know what that word is < 1364692529 601787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, I could < 1364692531 569727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't, mentally < 1364692539 470737 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I don't think sapir-whorf is garbage, but that's pretty straightforward psychologist's fallacy < 1364692548 181605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like a superficial level on which to evaluate the hypothesis < 1364692553 865999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the psychologist's fallacy? < 1364692582 990977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sapir-whorf hypothesis is strong, it says that people can't have thoughts that aren't in a language they speak < 1364692583 708696 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you assume your subjective experience is objectively correct < 1364692588 365433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it only takes one thought to disprove it < 1364692593 435261 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a weak version too. < 1364692597 292733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are different strength versions < 1364692604 531155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1364692611 653356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was likely thinking of the MASM macro language, which has directives .WHILE ... .ENDW. < 1364692708 599261 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a white - of cards < 1364692708 933598 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter [ing . on - < 1364692709 128209 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuffled snow desc]s < 1364692741 65096 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a haiku about falling snowflakes that prints 255,254,...,1 < 1364692744 335593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: this is getting very HOMESPRING < 1364692793 851497 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("a white deck of cards / winter starting out on deck: / shuffled snow descends") < 1364692834 609112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you even worked the season into it :) < 1364692908 876303 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably write much more freely if you make up multiple readings for <>+-[],. < 1364692912 969023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I must've missed the other one. < 1364692936 589551 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually "left", "right", "start", "end", "in", "out" are all very usable... but "inc" and "dec" are hard < 1364693012 277181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: don't think about it too far < 1364693016 834944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'll invent a BF derivative by mistake < 1364693028 195318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you'll have to face the wrath of Phantom Hoover < 1364693051 953740 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf derivative where it's bf but you have to read it a special way or it doesn't make sense < 1364693053 179328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :up/down? more/less? < 1364693062 238463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe that people can't have thoughts that aren't in a language they speak; but it does make it more difficult in some cases, for some people. It also makes it difficult to write and to communicate, though, much more than it does to think of it! < 1364693065 251501 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is vanilla BF. i guess you could say it's a "coding style" < 1364693082 687531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, I have huge trouble communicating sometimes for this reason < 1364693083 833339 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inc" is kind of like "ink" and you can also write words that have "inc" as a syllable in them < 1364693116 81586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. I, also, think of many things that I don't know if there is any words to describe it. < 1364693169 645721 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: thanks. http://opencobol.add1tocobol.com/#do-you-know-any-good-jokes < 1364693190 91715 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they are COBOL jokes, and I'm lame. < 1364693211 96321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add 1 to cobol giving cobol… < 1364693214 32222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is good thing that they have open-source COBOL compilers. < 1364693223 848060 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364693226 602954 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFORM JUMPS THRU FLAMING-HOOPS UNTIL HELL-FREEZES-OVER. < 1364693270 400028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL may even be good for some things, such as business-oriented software. < 1364693281 202671 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well. Lame, I like lame it turns out. < 1364693390 201650 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I should quote that one too. ;-) But, it's 600 pages of fanboy all positive sunshine and this is grand, so I downplay the many very beautiful diss'es for COBOL. :-) < 1364693579 775074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good Haskell jokes? < 1364693606 141953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you can mention monad tutorials < 1364693611 228247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's become a joke in its own right < 1364693634 604956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: how many haskellers does it take to screw in a lightbulb A: monads lolololololololololololol < 1364693639 659015 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@50-201-81-2-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364693641 990373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads aren't even built into the very core, other than do notation < 1364693661 768956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: And the IO monad? < 1364693674 539865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like do-notation that is not implemented as a macro < 1364693681 919864 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, fine, IO monad too < 1364693691 924540 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although IO was done differently beforehand < 1364693700 481857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is just something provided by a library < 1364693706 683376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a p. essential one < 1364693713 41370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are different kinds of 'built-in' < 1364693717 597529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Although main has to have such type < 1364693726 569204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the compiler needs to support IO < 1364693728 892249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :special syntax vs. special library which can't be implemented normally but has ordinary things < 1364693731 949478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: true < 1364693741 387093 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can't be pure haskell code with no outside influence < 1364693888 925030 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero ,put: once < 1364693889 119497 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one: [ loop with. an ] < 1364693889 119683 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.put same value < 1364693916 119939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it wuold be better if they exported returnIO :: a -> IO a and bindIO :: IO a -> (a -> IO b) -> IO b < 1364693916 948641 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zero input: once; one: start loop without an end: output same value." a self-describing truth machine haiku < 1364693945 644008 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why export them? < 1364693970 785581 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could Instance Monad IO a later? < 1364693971 147713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you don't need the Monad type class to do IO < 1364693975 663033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a convenient generalization < 1364693983 108339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1364693996 92642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, there is one, but still the way I would do it is still a bit different. Rather there would be a kind of low-level types, which might be represented in LLVM or whatever, and then have a built-in class for the type of main to make a executable file. < 1364693999 48191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people often erroneously believe that they need to understand monads in full generality to do IO < 1364694030 844107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you do not need to use a monad but it will still work; furthermore, main can be other types, but it won't make a standaline executable in such cases. < 1364694039 417998 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: nice. < 1364694041 946968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't much to monads though < 1364694057 547130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1364694060 757733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1364694097 880270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads mo problems < 1364694122 827264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true, you do not need to understand monads to use IO monad, but it can help to understand the mathematics of it to know how it work with other monads too, and how it make up those same kind of things. < 1364694493 649467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocomonads < 1364694536 140964 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coconuts: actually just regular nuts?? < 1364694560 146215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoa-coated co-cones < 1364694600 18322 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm what's the dual to a nut < 1364694606 715215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tree < 1364694679 65667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that Berlin had a maglev metro line? < 1364694685 411420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't very good and they shut it down after 2 years < 1364694772 774042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really got the point in maglevs < 1364694897 726418 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They are super fast < 1364694915 645495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When done well, at least < 1364694981 5613 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan's hit about 200mph. < 1364695044 842737 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, their bullet trains *aren't* maglev. < 1364695047 578822 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet. < 1364695072 485226 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next year they're starting the switch, which will get you up to 310mph. < 1364695088 657610 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there you go. Maglev is fast. < 1364695434 157650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer commute times that involve passively riding on the vehicle of transportation < 1364695437 888287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires no effort < 1364695454 95073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike waiting for something to arrive, or even worse, driving < 1364695601 336238 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines Sgeo literally rolling out of bed, down the stairs, onto a passing cart < 1364695643 367451 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think China has one maglev line < 1364695655 517834 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I want a self-driving car. < 1364696022 446523 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that maginot line? < 1364696098 432347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow at what's happening with the Prenda Law story now < 1364696114 87065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bizarre motions from someone who wasn't clearly obviously previously involved < 1364696138 799288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some commentors are guessing that the signature on it was photoshopped, and possibly that the address is fake < 1364696281 27133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Koen_ -----### < 1364696562 315360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one maglev train in the world with regular passenger service < 1364696575 224885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which connects the shanghai airport to the outskirts of the metro network < 1364696589 131062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the M-Bahn certainly wasn't fast and was only 85% maglev by weight < 1364696592 554284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know what the point was < 1364696849 690492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man < 1364697092 148559 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364697256 125349 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true < 1364697277 156552 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the whole series of that "monster" manga and they didn't appear to agree with that < 1364697314 958819 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnQA-1qlgI4 < 1364697385 516739 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364697392 560222 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was about to make a joke about how mangas were written from right to left. should I watch your video backwards? < 1364697400 671834 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo yes. < 1364697552 20882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all functors monoids? < 1364697567 236774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a kind error < 1364697577 729417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatsakinderror.gif < 1364697637 582267 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking, monads are monoids, but what about applicatives and functors < 1364697655 340467 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, is composition of functors monoidal? < 1364697710 155281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, since that's the way monads are monoids < 1364697726 571594 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't think functors have a join < 1364697727 264342 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I'm not sure I understand the ending < 1364697738 379719 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does he find a name afterall? < 1364697745 862420 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering monads are literally just endofunctor monoid things i would guess not all functors have to be < 1364697763 821886 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: is this backwards or forwards < 1364697772 977386 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (r,) is < 1364697781 161696 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would make more sens backwards < 1364697790 655906 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would end up with "his name is the nameless monster" < 1364697795 625973 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Applicatives? < 1364697806 807067 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah Applicatives is not a good name for a monster is it < 1364697818 737394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a gread name < 1364697830 134151 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this talk about things "Being" monoids < 1364697847 906245 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just "Be" a monoid you have some operation that forms a monoid over you < 1364697869 684547 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be the monoid < 1364697873 383140 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes theres lots of operations that form different monoids over the same underlying thing!! yikes < 1364697908 588164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Ok, by being a monoid I meant "There any operations that form a monoid over" < 1364697915 932532 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: was that a metaphor? < 1364697963 796201 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes there are plenty of v.stupid operations that you can pick < 1364697980 308615 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: min, max, sum, product, first, last < 1364697998 417849 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe everything is a monoid over first or last < 1364697999 529711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: the trick is to put the audience in the shoes of the monoid < 1364698015 260030 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1364698026 359399 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go to bed on that thought < 1364698041 324304 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being monoidal is suffering. < 1364698054 118746 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :duoids < 1364698065 285469 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: idk what you mean by any of those words but ok < 1364698069 787611 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bike: also if you watch the video backwards you'll actually see the storyteller read her book forward) < 1364698074 410471 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1364698077 702723 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Does "monoid" mean literally "mono-like" < 1364698080 452513 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed that. wtf < 1364698095 287576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean "the nameless monster" is his name? That isn't a very good name, if it tell you to be nameless if it has a name. Isn't it? < 1364698102 790525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: clearly mon-like < 1364698112 765629 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monoidoid < 1364698113 328092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Listen, broccoli brains, I don't have time to listen to this trash. < 1364698118 398416 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you watch the video, it should explain. < 1364698119 412825 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He's not a monster either < 1364698128 441293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Then it is both wrong! < 1364698138 69501 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid m (Cyrillic spelling моноид) < 1364698148 506788 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: People named Phillip don't necessarily like horses either < 1364698155 786441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1364698164 21466 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :philip more like FAT am i right. < 1364698176 510714 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :File Allocation Table? < 1364698198 772953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things form a monoid; such as, a ring forms two monoids < 1364698204 222396 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because... dick... agh < 1364698237 467184 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, it's part of the definition of a ring < 1364698253 497999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1364698270 243824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history of monoids is the history of class struggle < 1364698306 102931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Pyongyang's propaganda machine flung new insults at the United States on Saturday, comparing it to a "boiled pumpkin"' < 1364698309 761783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there cofunctors? < 1364698313 838049 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1364698319 307477 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are contrafunctors < 1364698335 418809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iran contrafunctor < 1364698335 749382 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] English. [edit] Noun. cofunctor (plural cofunctors). A contravariant functor. thanks < 1364698342 56956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrafunctors are sometimes improperly called cofunctors, I think. < 1364698352 684281 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see the dprk official notice, it was fucking great < 1364698355 677957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364698369 792901 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there cokmcs < 1364698375 774082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as Quantum Verilog? < 1364698412 471882 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sacred war of justice will be a nation-wide, all-people resistance involving all Koreans in the north and the south and overseas in which the traitors to the nation including heinous confrontation maniacs, warmonger s and human scum will be mercilessly swept away. < 1364698431 93282 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PART :#esoteric < 1364698441 329926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it will last about 15 minutes < 1364698444 851334 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the heroic service personnel and all other people of the DPRK are full of surging anger at the U.S. imperialists' reckless war provocation moves, and the strong will to turn out as one in the death-defying battle with the enemies and achieve a final victory of the great war for national reunification < 1364698479 673753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think so < 1364698486 494998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computers don't work anything like FPGAs < 1364698498 585172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what I thought. < 1364698510 362684 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you looking for quantum verilog ? Get details of quantum verilog.We collected most searched pages list related with quantum verilog and more about it... < 1364698512 339218 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they agree. This war will not be a three day-war but it will be a blitz war through which the KPA will occupy all areas of south Korea including Jeju Island at one strike, not giving the U.S. and the puppet warmongers time to come to their senses, and a three-dimensional war to be fought in the air, land and seas and on the front line and in the rear. < 1364698517 204453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a ............. Quantum FPGA < 1364698525 425595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh < 1364698527 349143 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364698527 543492 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :field programmable qubit array < 1364698545 586344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, such thing could be made up, possibly, together with time travel and other stuff, some of which is completely impossible: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_Verilog Do you have ideas of such things? Post in talk page? < 1364698598 888837 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Biological"? That's pretty vague. < 1364698659 870200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe everything is a monoid over first or last <-- first and last don't have an identity. < 1364698662 580183 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364698683 930126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is vague. < 1364698763 762214 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364698870 719545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is Esoteric Verilog, such considerations of whether or not it is even possible, is unimportant. < 1364698912 560491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter Verilog < 1364698919 428373 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but I'd at least like to know what it is that's impossible < 1364698958 647526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: but if you choose one element to be the identity, you can make it behave like first or last on the rest like the haskell First and Last monoid wrappers over Just. < 1364698963 393274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t First < 1364698965 330595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a -> First a < 1364698976 64771 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey somebody elsewhere just pinged me to tell me about Malbolge. Someone gimme a funny esolang to link back. < 1364699009 695605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOMESPRING < 1364699012 178107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Look at it by yourself, please. < 1364699012 453244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smetana. < 1364699030 845706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smetana works on a different level < 1364699041 233062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea of quantum computing operation in Verilog is there might be a command "qureg" for register of quantum bits, and "quprimitive" that defines a primitive quantum operator by a matrix; there are others too but I don't know. < 1364699041 427574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, smetana is one of the most self-documenting languages ever < 1364699051 300732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turkey Bomb < 1364699055 600278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about measurements < 1364699068 229896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are no example turkey bomb programs to link, though, I thought < 1364699073 780268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joy in turkey bomb is the spec < 1364699075 302856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, it would need to have that too. < 1364699078 478951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, attempting to implement it < 1364699081 642114 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike malbolge, known for its example programs < 1364699094 259852 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "attempting to implement Turkey Bomb" a euphemism for pub crawling? < 1364699098 990174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's a hello world on wikipedia, isn't there < 1364699105 373587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, although that's a funny idea < 1364699130 843417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a 99 bottles of beer < 1364699165 73921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just recently had to revert someone on wikipedia claiming that one didn't use real loops. < 1364699194 453128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a famous one that didn't < 1364699200 315989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also outputted in gzipped form < 1364699226 388109 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pengpod.com/products/pengpod1000 Considering getting one of these. < 1364699243 800538 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Neat. < 1364699259 892077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure though *shrugs* < 1364699282 653710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Measurement of quantum registers might be done by using them where classical bits are expected, I suppose, inside of a "always" block, or something like that. Maybe it could be done reverse too, to assign classical to quantum registers inside of a "always" block in order to initialize them? < 1364699470 798344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364699665 209014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364699671 119079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer stopped twice today < 1364699792 692883 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the core memory has finally degraded < 1364699803 412745 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps some of the relays have gotten rusty < 1364699861 231422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I thought modern relays were coated with some non-rustable material < 1364699872 719095 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're not modern < 1364699874 45940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even use silver except for high-voltage relays (where the voltage burns off any tarnish) < 1364700071 941388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a ROM cartridge version of Memtest86 which uses the CPU registers so that the program is not stored in the RAM? < 1364700118 175126 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1364700163 130277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1364700528 45104 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I think the keyboard case that the Pengpod store offers is real leather X_X < 1364700541 29563 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ironic that what would stop me from buying a $170 tablet is a $20 case. < 1364700847 657793 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364701599 244795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364701611 527106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no memory error. < 1364702016 578487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364702047 737731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364702058 800829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time the computer didn't freeze; this time I accidentally touched something. < 1364702080 364968 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1364702110 7051 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1364702110 421790 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1364702110 616025 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1364702605 771731 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364703128 406171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Etc. < 1364703274 953297 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@50-201-81-2-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364703286 573600 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@50-201-81-2-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364704752 558094 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rmcuoktonuxqmjoh QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364704752 930261 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrohxrkuvldyztls QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364704940 329401 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364704941 95499 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364704989 263468 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364705098 73661 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1364705165 306873 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am new for tis irc can u plz explain how to do < 1364705184 646473 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome sathiyac2 < 1364705187 644338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02sathiyac2: Welcome to05 th03e04 international hub 06for esoteric programming10 la02nguage desig11n a10nd deploy06ment! For more informat03ion, c13heck out our wi10ki: http08:/07/09es13ol08a03ngs.org/10wiki09/Main_Page. (For the other 03kind 09of eso12teri09ca, 08try #eso12teric 07on irc.dal03.12net.) < 1364705410 965003 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sathiyac2 what's up < 1364705422 884840 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salut' < 1364705457 288036 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salut < 1364705594 738123 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can u teach me guys . . ? < 1364705654 535375 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to learn < 1364705762 930563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teach you guys what? Please be more specific. < 1364705796 112807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :外国言語? < 1364705971 106157 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1364706043 931318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't teach you anything if we don't know what to teach you < 1364706278 346892 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364706364 844006 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aheui (아희) is the first esoteric programming language ever to be designed for Hangul, the Korean alphabet." < 1364706575 399601 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364706594 899784 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364706830 927034 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 PART :#esoteric < 1364706900 339171 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364707018 342920 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1364707058 970095 :sathiyac2!~sathiyac@117.199.137.46 PART :#esoteric < 1364707364 213942 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@50-201-81-2-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364707381 193030 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@50-201-81-2-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364707753 827072 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@50-201-81-2-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364708103 926901 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364708286 751497 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364708375 71854 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364708779 341079 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364708781 950301 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :yster +x < 1364708791 860984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ogrom < 1364708793 746792 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogrom: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364708814 777767 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1364709148 27235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I wrote about quantum computing in Esoteric Verilog good so far? Is some things possibly missing? < 1364709552 948313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :qureg [15:0] reg1; initial if(|reg1) destroy; < 1364709562 702641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would this be OK? < 1364709908 969461 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364709982 642697 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364710107 972878 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1364710128 884030 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364712057 684771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with quantum computing is you only see one state at the end < 1364712070 284440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're trying to raise the probability of getting the right one as high as possible < 1364712133 526531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can understand that; once measured, it is going to be the same if measured again. < 1364713267 918691 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364716138 605653 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364716245 790967 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364716934 471812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that most (but not all) texts on Magic: the Gathering cards could be compiled by computer, if such a program is existing, especially if there is a separate input syntax which is slightly different from the display syntax, and which can be made easily into the display syntax (for example having "=s" for plurals, "=3" for "three", "~" for the card name, etc) < 1364717045 573196 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364717081 554727 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364717272 65941 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364717521 130922 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364717526 595396 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364718257 404498 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: that < 1364719505 824804 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364719609 558714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum Magic: the Gathering < 1364719621 200058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How will that work? < 1364719702 308540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum Magic: the Quarkening. < 1364719712 657232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does that work? < 1364719720 554754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does. < 1364719728 876723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I thought, too. < 1364719741 357629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am not really entirely sure. < 1364719840 57391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how quantum M:tG would work, but you should invent it and then we can talk about it < 1364719857 368905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to bed with me < 1364719862 101556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how it works either. < 1364719863 887274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl < 1364719870 104392 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1364719871 196697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it needs to be invented < 1364719871 697689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't you want to hear a bunch of japanese talks about edwardk's packages < 1364719893 271711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going on right now in real time < 1364720167 159757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364720313 431534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1364720406 764058 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://marisa-trie.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/docs/readme.en.html so like. acronyms < 1364720418 573304 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently the author of 'libmarisa' also wrote 'madoka') < 1364720435 250625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/s-yata/madoka < 1364720500 30854 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364720589 51015 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364720634 357625 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Madoka that anime < 1364720770 546274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a person colloquially called Marisa at our (well, my former) department; it's from a contraction of Mari-Sanna, her real given name. < 1364720812 5346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "StorAge" bit is a bit of a reach. < 1364721152 860528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I invented it, I would have many things different from the actual Magic: the Gathering, but I don't know how it would work with quantum and so on. < 1364721535 799504 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am living proof that trustworthiness does not mean reliability < 1364721539 251240 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1364721659 375175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do the game more mathematically, for one thing. < 1364721806 773292 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1364721821 173012 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, then it would be much more niche < 1364721852 554316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I done enough in this community to warrant my own page on the wiki < 1364721912 937516 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: proof it! < 1364721924 873929 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Against what? < 1364721926 133800 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire? < 1364721931 216824 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawyers? < 1364721954 475764 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably against the community, sorry to disappoint < 1364721996 300963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blessed greased rustproof fireproof proof of unreliability. < 1364722069 899178 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day Taneb no longer wants a user page, he should get one. < 1364722220 41289 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364722659 59598 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364722754 66463 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364722978 273969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : i ran Linux on a lot of 68k and PPC macs back in the day <-- night < 1364722980 713216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1364722981 719130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1364722986 530961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1364723280 523069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Perhsp then it might be much more niche, you may be correct, but, still, it is how I would do. < 1364723290 557160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364723319 30331 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364723354 528170 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364723720 43575 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364723784 841217 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364724145 881069 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364724511 71698 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364724655 892226 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bylotktdwtuyjria JOIN :#esoteric < 1364724848 477976 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364725159 831675 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bylotktdwtuyjria QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364725231 843220 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364725473 844748 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364725502 690910 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to make a programming language based on JSON. The syntax will be like ["command", ["arg1", "arg2", ...]] < 1364725504 848068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364725696 898209 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feels like a different syntax for LISP < 1364725706 694276 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "based on JSON" < 1364725740 233521 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, it will interpret by JSON-parsing the commands < 1364725763 532248 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I've heard of Lisp but I do not know its syntax. < 1364725772 35078 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... < 1364725779 637140 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(command arg1 arg2 ...) < 1364725781 439687 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly < 1364725786 603635 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really hardly any of the language is based on JSON...just the concrete syntax < 1364725804 676073 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be weird for semantics to be based on JSON (whaaaat??) hence the q. < 1364725817 916411 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, lolwhat, the concrete syntax is everything in my language < 1364725822 837542 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1364725843 567923 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the args don't have to be string, they can be anything < 1364725856 283011 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "everything"? < 1364725865 960412 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, lol < 1364725866 792359 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the args be the smell of strawberry? < 1364725883 320682 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so funny < 1364725899 490799 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, just about, yes, if you make a new object type called the smell of strawberry < 1364725924 242965 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the same at all < 1364725969 556410 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, are you trying to insult me or something < 1364725975 722189 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1364725976 258381 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(12:30:17 PM) Halite: monqy, lolwhat, the concrete syntax is everything in my language > probably not < 1364725989 437173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely point out that your idea needs a lot of fleshing out < 1364725990 340621 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, go away < 1364725994 471082 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax of a language is typically not that important < 1364725998 497052 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGH < 1364726015 733992 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PART #esoteric :"UGH" < 1364726020 841694 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364726023 207179 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364726031 122473 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGH < 1364726036 149288 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? < 1364726042 872186 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUUUUUUUGH < 1364726122 788191 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the matter; halite made a point about what programming-languages-inclined people are interested in in a language and you just went into a fit... < 1364726167 959307 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PART #esoteric :"I have had a virtual seizure" < 1364726175 576864 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364726185 178076 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you parting so much < 1364726187 631101 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to spam? < 1364726193 75167 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364726202 646602 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make me part again < 1364726206 36460 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1364726208 30672 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm panicing < 1364726212 324731 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1364726218 426404 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364726224 369919 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364726237 592775 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop talking about me < 1364726249 214258 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????????? < 1364726249 787065 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall not be disturbed < 1364726254 521146 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say that that is one of the least effective ways of spamming I've ever seen. < 1364726269 120211 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, it's very easy to translate Lisp syntax into JSON < 1364726275 119200 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, I said STOP TALKING ABOUT ME! < 1364726281 220 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sad < 1364726294 29513 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then to write a Lisp interpreter in JavaScript < 1364726294 264265 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halite. you're in a public forum. expect people to talk about things you say. < 1364726310 525032 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want people to talk about things you do don't do them! < 1364726352 84322 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364726390 588724 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364726660 720727 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my programming language should be a dialect of Lisp < 1364726672 999920 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364726714 131973 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really mean much though < 1364726715 596613 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I add [ at the beginning and ] at the end, which then it'd be closer to Haskell than Lisp < 1364726729 557962 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.... < 1364726757 956348 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be a "lisp" just fine and have []s in it. plenty of "lisps" let you use []s for clarity < 1364726805 61203 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364726835 28206 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I was working on writing a Lisp interpreter in C++ a couple weeks ago. < 1364726848 950577 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which dialect < 1364726851 940273 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't really know if I should finish it < 1364726853 776731 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364726873 763810 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so far it doesn't really have a specific dialect < 1364726895 789461 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably closest to Common Lisp < 1364726896 306480 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a parser + some things common to prototypical lisps i guess? < 1364726904 599274 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1364726931 905827 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call my language 'Ecma Lisp' < 1364726939 468134 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1364726951 268631 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMA is probably trademarked or something though < 1364726963 648409 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it ACME Lisp < 1364726965 685457 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364726968 755750 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coded in Javascript - originally ECMAScript - and it's similar to Lisp < 1364726977 668355 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ACMEScript < 1364726987 699950 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 'LispScript' < 1364727004 667963 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'JSLisp' < 1364727009 423770 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lasp < 1364727022 534335 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, lol < 1364727033 580628 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a lisp preprocessor to ASP < 1364727046 171930 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, lols < 1364727075 577193 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 'Salt Lisp' - my username 'Halite' means mineral salt - and my language is similar to Lisp < 1364727281 594406 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well - I'll call it 'JavaLisp' for now < 1364727750 63629 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364727850 148996 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364727855 643137 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know an operation whose functionally completeness is unknown < 1364727880 818471 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364728397 930341 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igbdwivzcnbfxgew JOIN :#esoteric < 1364729078 131252 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364729137 795040 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364729164 920242 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igbdwivzcnbfxgew QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364729174 656357 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHINESE GRAPHICS CARD PROBLEM SOLVED (tentatively) < 1364729222 630753 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364729318 620056 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364729358 560731 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY (tentatively) < 1364729454 783794 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1364729772 576866 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364729810 91494 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364729990 846437 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364731074 820946 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, this seems good < 1364731088 982290 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't let me mess with my graphics card driver, like ever < 1364731531 277832 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364731733 260955 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like good advice for life... < 1364731789 209580 :heroux!~heroux@5070823c.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364731814 112888 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Unicode character is CHINESE GRAPHICS CARD PROBLEM SOLVED < 1364731871 456032 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+4DD9 < 1364731920 904690 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjnolamwzlxltuge JOIN :#esoteric < 1364732486 137098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364732581 159797 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364732631 716013 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, to really test whether the Chinese graphics card problem has been solved... < 1364732638 311696 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm installing Team Fortress 2 < 1364732659 910628 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, have fun < 1364732682 594778 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about a third downloaded < 1364732799 189228 :heroux!~heroux@5070823c.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1364732818 694663 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364733005 98020 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: ,_, but JS has nothing to do with Java < 1364733046 184814 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both programming languages < 1364733049 978321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi btiffin! < 1364733083 310919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they both borrow C syntax conventions < 1364733095 602002 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: are you sure you're ok with what you're getting into here < 1364733098 656940 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's about it < 1364733115 26390 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe not... < 1364733122 746272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves before it's too late < 1364733132 294128 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I know < 1364733141 624985 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's just a shortened JavaScript < 1364733152 977723 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's a shortened word < 1364733168 616297 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1364733196 93459 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a channel for my programming language, tell me if you want me to PM you the channel name < 1364733263 25630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does a languqge need a channel? is it popular or going to be popular? have you a bot there that speaks it? < 1364733421 505832 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because - possibly - no < 1364733485 992965 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hello < 1364733696 693493 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364734028 536303 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364734128 843182 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364734825 212283 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :RoosteR < 1364734834 506042 :RoosteR!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Halite < 1364734917 643478 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364734948 645719 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364734984 606325 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364734984 800501 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364735126 298436 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364735133 783182 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364735192 168362 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364735420 762370 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1364735694 906154 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364735820 648335 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideas maybe? http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2831 < 1364735892 508688 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by frog leading to a nice video of pissing off a frog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kKf-uBeTo < 1364735966 630839 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1364736346 928599 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzruecgvfcgwfbbx JOIN :#esoteric < 1364736809 536686 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my language's interpreter for JS has been hosted: < 1364736815 992698 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/3dwhyzgdfe456j1/JavaLisp.js < 1364737118 17454 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364737118 893290 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tested that? < 1364737162 195804 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask because what it does is probably not what you want it to do. < 1364737870 685335 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1364738187 776595 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1364738193 505094 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how doo I test < 1364738906 140623 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: It's a bit like sleepsort < 1364739165 61185 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: I can think of a way to implement it without sleeping though < 1364739217 325387 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't my language interpreter work < 1364739399 933799 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364739913 640275 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364739933 497370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slis < 1364739936 7830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1364739936 905569 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slis: not found < 1364739937 828298 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1364740102 579204 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: thanks for the reference < 1364740184 123979 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364740186 965574 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1364740214 87071 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is on that list thrice... < 1364740281 6418 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364740751 612160 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, just in case < 1364740864 28925 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364741002 64420 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could just keep a list of all the values to be sorted < 1364741006 706787 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And decrement them continuously < 1364741013 431554 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And check which ones are zero at any given time < 1364741659 900058 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364741691 587032 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364741773 779688 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364742906 812324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364743691 502363 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cbrain calls COBOL now, with a " operator, # 23 "subcbrain" # +00000023 +00000042 < 1364743986 916959 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364744236 229314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those who do not know LISP are doomed to reinvent it < 1364744237 90163 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1364744237 620813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1364744257 769210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: middle school sold me 68k macs for $1 each < 1364744273 279138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh nice < 1364744276 813928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1364744284 902001 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364744318 739937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parts of Mac OS are baked into the ROM so you can't really replace it with Linux < 1364744355 571108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead it would boot OS 7, you would click a program called "Penguin", the screen would go crazy colors as the framebuffer gets overwritten with garbage, and then you're booting Linux < 1364744375 871785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no memory protection you could just exec Linux from Mac OS, kinda like LOADLIN < 1364744440 43801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the ones I got had the 68LC040 processor with a serious erratum that prevents FPU emulation from working correctly < 1364744455 826804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't run most binary Linux distros < 1364745054 353562 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364745073 860205 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364745194 258745 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364745356 591846 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364746296 634060 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364746373 43331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to make Chrome/Chromium NOT do a web search on the local domain. For example, I have a computer named cerberus. If I just type that in the chromium address/search bar, it does a web search instead. Same goes for cerberus.lan. Both of those resolve on the command line. If I want to go there I need to type http://cerberus < 1364746379 772179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite annoying < 1364746432 337533 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try http://cerberus/ < 1364746455 148813 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as convienient but should work < 1364746461 270149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that works as I said < 1364746464 821223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is super-annoying < 1364746485 870769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a workaround so it goes where I want < 1364746492 556670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cerberus/" should work. < 1364746509 599914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that might be sufficiently easy < 1364746519 62799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah that works < 1364746535 505599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should also ask "did you mean http://cerberus/" and remember your choice. < 1364746565 771259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it did not ask that < 1364746577 394736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://dev.chromium.org/user-experience/omnibox "Single word". < 1364746593 297514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some later version will. < 1364746838 915065 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm crap at TF2 < 1364746845 277634 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my computer runs it really well < 1364746849 790542 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, goodbye < 1364746851 785226 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364746852 718444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364746937 208366 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364747545 930952 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy Computus everyone < 1364747628 543074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin, what on earth is that < 1364747687 368571 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus http://opencobol.add1tocobol.com/#when-is-easter < 1364747748 397646 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say it's "bible" for math ?? Maybe? < 1364747786 632961 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and yes, I was wishing you a happy calculation. ;-) < 1364747892 456058 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, Cobol sucks, this is so much easier in PHP < 1364747895 952431 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://php.net/manual/en/function.easter-date.php < 1364748112 661425 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: :-) < 1364748318 627944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :early christians invented COBOL as a way of determining when Easter is < 1364748364 236223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP can compute the western easter but not the eastern one :/ < 1364748396 932218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'easter_date() uses the TZ environment variable to determine the time zone it should operate in, rather than using PHP's default time zone, which may result in unexpected behaviour when using this function in conjunction with other date functions in PHP' < 1364748414 223331 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1364748415 922434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP. < 1364748424 3811 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364748490 908219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's coded in Javascript - originally ECMAScript - and it's similar to Lisp < 1364748500 311084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: actually, javascript was originally called LiveScript < 1364748508 246746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMAScript is the name it was given later when it was standardised < 1364748546 310113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ECMAScript might not have the web browsery parts and so it's more like a language family with JavaScript and ActionScript and all that? but I'm not sure < 1364748645 683471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well people still call it JavaScript even without the web browsery parts < 1364748648 118309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. node.js, rhino < 1364748651 120079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe those people are wrong < 1364748663 46419 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364748670 716208 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of hard to be "right" about js/ecma/whatever the hell < 1364748703 892913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eczema script < 1364748708 111792 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364748716 529200 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it all javascript < 1364748718 165800 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved? < 1364748725 764841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad i googled eczemascript: Please help with curing my eczema using hypnosis < 1364748736 85115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: the irony (?) is that JavaScript was originally conceived as something very similar to LISP, and it still kind of is if you ignore the concrete syntax < 1364748762 465550 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the irony < 1364748782 128895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Halite is implementing a Lisp-like language with more JavaScripty syntax, in JavaScript < 1364748790 516450 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1364748802 890493 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it originall just Scheme < 1364748826 304546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made the syntax more Java-like and added "Java" to the name as part of some unholy deal with the devil (Sun Microsystems) < 1364748829 672805 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then somebody came around and was like "oh no nobody wants to use Lisp" and then the guy who implemented the Scheme support went and made a more C-like language < 1364748842 559141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not even C-like, just the superficial syntax is < 1364748851 985620 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's what counts :P < 1364748852 185499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that's all that 90% of programmers see < 1364748855 521065 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For uninterested programmers < 1364748858 421733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARENTHESES? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL < 1364748865 561720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The change of name from LiveScript to JavaScript roughly coincided with Netscape adding support for Java technology in its Netscape Navigator web browser. The final choice of name caused confusion, giving the impression that the language was a spin-off of the Java programming language, and the choice has been characterized by many as a marketing ploy by Netscape to give JavaScript the cachet of what was then the hot new web programming language.[12] < 1364748872 580540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your claim is citation needed kmc!!! < 1364748880 123862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : kind of hard to be "right" about js/ecma/whatever the hell <-- what about jscript? < 1364748882 980559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was/is that? < 1364748883 670908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1364748884 375964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1364748885 408984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even the claim < 1364748890 473648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it the microsoft variant iirc? < 1364748891 141031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the claim that someone claimed your claim is citation needed < 1364748891 841876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: microsoft off-brand javascript < 1364748895 734351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1364748897 70005 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hot new web programming language < 1364748901 150517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can cite it with a link to the #esoteric logs < 1364748907 357543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you have claimed it < 1364748917 74453 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JScript is supposed to be exactly like JavaScript but Microsoft couldn't use the name "Java" < 1364748918 253571 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ < 1364748929 913362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they also have "Visual J++" for a Java clone? < 1364748936 55426 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1364748937 239000 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god we have a nice reasonable name like Eczema Script now < 1364748941 806410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they eventually made C# which is not just a Java clone, it's actually better < 1364748955 585833 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly a Java clone. < 1364748961 920125 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With more features (especially syntactic sugar) < 1364748981 566281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it has the same basic concepts as Java but provides them in an actually usable way < 1364749029 912984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :having coded a bit in both C# and Java I agree with kmc on this one < 1364749038 337477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# is significantly nicer to use. < 1364749042 835091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java's basic concepts are really pretty solid < 1364749055 683778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty simple < 1364749066 839035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364749076 410350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that you get absolutely no help abstracting over those to build more complicated things < 1364749097 405484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just so verbose < 1364749103 230430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, delegates are a lot nicer than whan java provide though, even though it is just syntax sugar < 1364749111 395362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are more stuff like that < 1364749115 131540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hated OOP until I learned Python, a language where a new class is 2 lines of code rather than a new file and 10 lines of boilerplate < 1364749136 56790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, quite so < 1364749145 174187 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, coding OOP in C++ is even worse though < 1364749150 624235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO files per class generally < 1364749155 324317 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364749179 37956 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364749297 255832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1364749303 689812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that's why you should template everything < 1364749408 96235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, XD < 1364749442 920448 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364749571 109341 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'mean OOP shouldn't have as much boilerplate as doing it in C? < 1364749573 580163 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're crazy! < 1364749596 627755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ FQA claims that 'pointer to incomplete struct type' is a better form of encapsulation than anything C++ provides < 1364749626 256361 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true in terms of degree of encapsulation at least. < 1364749647 775857 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me. that code i was reading earlier had a type defined as a pointer to a struct type that was never actually defined. intentionally. < 1364749649 884181 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding private members breaks ABI. :) < 1364749652 849897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that C++ is also boilerplate-tastic, but it's less offensively so than Java imo, because C++ gives you lots of tools (arguably too many) and lets you do what you will with them < 1364749670 724330 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Java's far worse with it. < 1364749689 981426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so people do come up with lots of clever ways to avoid boilerplate in C++ < 1364749831 631231 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364749867 689473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write haskell implementation in C++ < 1364749872 608685 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the rest of your code in haskell < 1364749897 326706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have a bunch of haskell boilerplate instead < 1364749924 576947 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write Haskell implementation in Brainfuck. < 1364749929 562433 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-38-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the rest of your code in Haskell. < 1364749934 637695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a good language but it's fairly boilerplatey in my estimation < 1364749945 710482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you're writing a 2 line prime number sieve < 1364749948 532149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, a real program < 1364750161 755017 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is prolog cool? < 1364750195 187717 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cool. < 1364750224 945943 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it turing complete? < 1364750274 514233 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1364750306 87630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the correct response "no." < 1364750309 638050 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So turing complete. < 1364750323 64915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prolog joke) < 1364750443 724121 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A serious answer is that it is turing complete < 1364750464 628946 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolog#Turing_completeness < 1364750484 812602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMA-232 has a bit of informal text on what kind of host environment is provided by web browsers and web servers that support ECMAScript; but all the parts that are part of the DOM standards are not part of ECMAScript proper. < 1364750562 412862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The correct response is "Out of local stack." (SWI-Prolog joke.) < 1364750573 338855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1364750662 96270 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364750684 935868 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364750971 741613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A classic example: http://sprunge.us/GMEe -- you can be all "you call this a declarative language" after that kind of stuff.) < 1364751264 642009 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the problem with the order of the ancestor definitions? < 1364751402 71565 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364751404 442198 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1364751448 422274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so < 1364751508 433643 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364751513 786326 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364751649 878508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The order of the two goals in the recursive one, yes. But, I mean, declarative! What's this about order of things. < 1364751681 643567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could probably devise a similar example that'd hinge on the order of rules too, since that also matters.) < 1364751702 612754 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order of declaring things in Haskell doesn't matter as long as it's all in the same file < 1364751737 363195 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's different. < 1364751777 491126 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefull: The order of the alternative definitions of a function matters. < 1364751788 171416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is the least boilerplatey programming language? < 1364751796 616032 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh, right < 1364751799 809465 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barinfcku < 1364751806 103500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does matter for pattern matching < 1364751831 162279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i don't know < 1364751853 80661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very dynamic languages generally let you abstract things in very powerful and direct ways < 1364751879 561386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get less static checking, and less understandable semantics to some degree < 1364751884 253471 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For example? < 1364751950 817372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :types can ease reduction of boilerplate < 1364751959 359398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a classic example is generic serialization < 1364751973 350605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function that takes any object and writes out its data members (recursively) as JSON or something < 1364751974 513352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like scrap your boilerplate-style generics relies pretty essentially on types, even < 1364751999 623809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Python or JavaScript this is very easy because you can directly enumerate the fields of an object, at runtime, as strings < 1364752003 975905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ it's a bloody mess < 1364752006 176411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need static types to do things like choose values based on types (typeclasses), which combined with type inference can help a lot for concision < 1364752018 447685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Haskell it's doable with some somewhat fancy machinery (as elliott is saying) < 1364752031 961443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think it's actually hard in something like js < 1364752038 773835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your objects are going to have unserialisable things like functions in them < 1364752047 671088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't know which of those are "static" or whatever < 1364752047 970381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but you can detect those and get past them < 1364752063 678953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you fundamentally have to structure your objects in a certain way if you want it to work < 1364752102 154417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1364752140 385476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you make an object that stores its name in a field and has a function that uses that field, it'll work < 1364752154 507103 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: .methods or something else? < 1364752155 670509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make an object that stores a function in a field at construction time that closes over the name it's given, it'll behave the same < 1364752160 321829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't be serialisable < 1364752167 591813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your serialisation routine will just break things silently or whatever < 1364752204 884437 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The JSON thing could probably be done with the use of GHC generics (GHC-only of course) < 1364752211 862945 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364752234 985025 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been wondering about not being able to serialize functions < 1364752246 561303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YHC had a thing for serializing functions < 1364752278 238629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there are lots of other tricks you can play in dynamic languages that aren't so easy in Haskell, even with Generics and SYB and whatever else < 1364752306 15477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell doesn't go far enough :p < 1364752307 378053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that look more like generating code, either with 'eval' or just by gluing together lots of functions in a way that's hard to statically type < 1364752316 838715 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell functions don't really have an accessible representation from inside the code < 1364752324 147226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike, say, lisp < 1364752324 838929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically generating classes based on data files < 1364752330 755734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically generating RPC wrappers < 1364752332 250435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1364752333 42344 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Lisp doesn't either. < 1364752344 843942 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Lists < 1364752358 930458 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean compiled functions, not source. < 1364752359 908560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I want something like TH that sucks less and also is accessible at runtime < 1364752360 591088 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Update] there is a big update to my JavaLisp which will transform the high-level language you know of to a lower-level language. < 1364752375 831318 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to throw around strings you can do that shit in Haskell too (though not as trivially) < 1364752382 264986 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364752387 766477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[update] hi < 1364752392 878271 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Update] So, instead of ["print", ["hi < 1364752394 808753 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some parsed format, obviously. Bla bla algebraic types ML bla. < 1364752403 785013 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[update] did you fix your interpreter bugs i hinted at < 1364752409 736595 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[update] or test at all < 1364752415 77952 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, yes, I fix < 1364752417 762949 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[update] This is an update. < 1364752419 640425 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1364752442 799699 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've been thinking that with reified environments and a bit of introspection on closures you could do some neat stuff. < 1364752457 185967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("[Update] "++) < 1364752459 386168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[Update] [Update] [Update] [Update] [Update] [Update] [Update] [Update] [U... < 1364752460 876298 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I'm transforming my JavaLisp so instead of using ret(), you have to use "SLIT" and whatever command you want to use to operate < 1364752470 282500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1364752478 252790 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't spam [Update] < 1364752499 847723 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is SLIT < 1364752501 636075 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[update] please don't spam [update] < 1364752517 533246 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Update] nooodl, this applies to you, too. Do not spam [update]. < 1364752522 423318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[suggestion] [offtopic] [meta] [bad] [worse] [dickbutts] I think we should tag any and all channel messages? < 1364752524 122316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[update] FYAD is leaking < 1364752535 16122 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Update] ion, this applies to you too. < 1364752538 506983 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is useful < 1364752552 942171 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's TH? < 1364752558 645897 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Halite's updates are the only one not containing '[update]' < 1364752560 521146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template Haskell < 1364752561 382612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WIN OMG CUTE WTF FAIL GEEKY WOOT! TRASHY OLD EW < 1364752567 585901 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364752581 258219 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1364752598 78561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :[meow] meow [/meow] < 1364752602 682321 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Lol] What have I got you all into - let's make a tag fad! < 1364752607 344231 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Tag] tag tag! < 1364752628 475105 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "[Update]".split(p); < 1364752630 145066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:20: parse error on input `;' < 1364752636 608537 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1364752638 682227 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "[Update]".split(p) < 1364752640 328806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `split' < 1364752640 529529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `System.Random.split... < 1364752641 329729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttants: JavaScript, Haskell < 1364752648 813180 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "[Update]".split("p"); < 1364752650 524021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:22: parse error on input `;' < 1364752657 119550 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1364752657 689574 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1364752664 237714 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1364752669 913413 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1364752670 255167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1364752675 595001 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many bots < 1364752678 257375 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1364752678 452460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1364752682 604994 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1364752682 799313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1364752685 335139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we not < 1364752691 476774 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we already are. < 1364752696 221912 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Not] can we < 1364752698 50750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :posting in this high quality thread < 1364752706 719562 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so fuck this. < 1364752714 517031 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1364752718 962385 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there metaprogramming that doesn't have to rely on dynamic type information? < 1364752731 496659 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expression-manipulation, really < 1364752732 860177 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurence `****' < 1364752756 525802 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `System.Swear.censor... < 1364752769 245138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed to swear in #esoteric you know < 1364752780 668117 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, really? < 1364752788 608404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i ****ing lied < 1364752790 438107 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, this is a family establishment < 1364752795 253672 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when you mention the BrainFuck programming language < 1364752804 163378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brainfuck, not BrainFuck, btw < 1364752818 386999 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like to formally capitalise letters in that way. < 1364752834 388065 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-cool-) < 1364752847 5362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... unsure of the meaning of formal being used here, but okay < 1364752863 594901 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just telling you, JavaLisp is becoming a very low-level language without returns < 1364752873 690800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dependent typing sucked me in and now Haskell isn't good enough D: < 1364752895 794190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaLisp? < 1364752910 263443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite's compiles-to-JS language < 1364752917 25355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1364752918 528096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: trying to actually write code with the current dependently-typed languages should dispel this quickly enough < 1364752941 552352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then I said Can you put your legs behind your head And she was like all Excuse me sir And I was like My tongue can reach into my ears do you want to see And she goes You're not welcome in this McDonald's anymore So I was like Well Actually I'm not welcome in ANY McDonald's and do you know why < 1364752946 342307 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it doesn't compile to JS, it is interpreted < 1364752966 712097 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1364752967 544793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I just clenched my fists and SCREAMED as I stared straight into her eyes. I got in like a good eight second scream That may not sound like much but try it sometime < 1364752990 655279 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been looking at Idris < 1364752999 555440 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I've screamed for nearly that many seconds before < 1364753004 886489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs quite a bit of polish, but is usable enough for me < 1364753058 325727 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/?date=11032003 i'm intrigued by this "ice cream shop" < 1364753072 580829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a IDE for Idris named Elba < 1364753106 48086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You sounded like that adultcatfinder site there. < 1364753187 517586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/4394294275/lightbox/ < 1364753207 850807 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time FreeFull mentions Idris I think of the actor agh < 1364753250 466692 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how so? < 1364753311 292620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, you know, just compare http://adultcatfinder.com/ demo with [meow] meow [/meow] < 1364753332 151744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat markup language < 1364753376 681130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364753408 58679 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "a markup language for plaintext files"? < 1364753428 730881 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaLisp has been updated < 1364753430 599228 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/3dwhyzgdfe456j1/JavaLisp.js < 1364753477 168389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" is a good restriction. < 1364753495 540188 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1364753507 960257 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should remove that or finish it < 1364753509 493691 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a sec. < 1364753516 548777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use switch case < 1364753554 790312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can call this a "dialect of lisp" if it doesn't have functions or cons pairs or anything else that lisp has < 1364753577 915550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks more like a machine language coded using a JavaScript-style variant of S-expressions < 1364753601 860050 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no control flow? < 1364753631 659018 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/3dwhyzgdfe456j1/JavaLisp.js < 1364753648 680046 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: it's embedded in js soooooooooo < 1364753655 76396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it doesn't have much to do with java either :P < 1364753671 665571 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the Java in it is short for Javascript < 1364753677 686485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, it does say "This is a dialect of Lisp, coded in JavaScript" tho < 1364753677 880961 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: surprised the first thing you noticed wasn't something about nested expressions. that's sure what i noticed first, on the last ver. too < 1364753696 171580 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's < 1364753704 288902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS < 1364753704 624963 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like an "extension" to javascript, Halite < 1364753715 567864 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it a language on its own < 1364753733 560190 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, not exactly. It is a language of its own. It doesn't need control flow yet. < 1364753759 654410 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, the meos < 1364753761 546623 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meows < 1364753767 616030 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not quite embedded........ < 1364753772 150588 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too tired for this < 1364753773 833087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, I was a bit late commenting on it. < 1364753973 247996 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be like Basic < 1364753997 198891 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could call it Becma - or ECMA Basic - but ECMA is trademarked < 1364754026 116057 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like the name ACMEScript < 1364754034 904025 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about... Basic++ < 1364754039 586108 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Basic# < 1364754040 678111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsbasic? < 1364754050 527577 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSBasic is a good name < 1364754071 303747 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll rename JavaLisp to JSBasic < 1364754117 425756 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there already is a jsbasic < 1364754139 362099 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a BASIC to javascript compiler < 1364754259 1891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1364754271 112517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[greeting] hi oerjan < 1364754281 167296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1364754302 663879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for new featured language in a few hours hth < 1364754308 422583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1364754322 531749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll make you an admin so you can be sure it's done < 1364754348 578670 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For at least two months, Google employees were exposed to excessive levels of a hazardous chemical after workers disabled a critical part of the ventilation system at the company's new satellite campus on a Superfund toxic waste site. [...]" good, good < 1364754434 541925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'One Google employee who was visibly pregnant was asked if she was aware of risks associated with TCE exposure. "We're really not allowed to talk about it," she said. "Sorry."' < 1364754454 176798 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1364754510 906922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :niice < 1364754749 182198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since google does no evil, it must be harmless < 1364754802 230160 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody says who the workers were < 1364754837 645570 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1364754856 684977 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364754867 228792 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364754886 864228 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364754936 10575 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364755022 319125 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364755215 845096 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364755216 177646 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be calling my language Javarray < 1364755286 233156 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ray of javar < 1364755293 983393 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1364755294 480214 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about JSON++ - it suggests JSON + 1, the 1 being the part that is using JSON < 1364755296 865900 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364755310 290227 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was the JSON part... < 1364755316 188386 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1364755331 272619 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it would be JSON*2 < 1364755338 743764 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON# < 1364755355 87700 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure you should use a randomly generated stream of characters, for max security < 1364755388 737545 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about O# < 1364755395 961905 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your choice < 1364755396 193009 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object# < 1364755410 832763 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "hdsjfmqksdjfmq"? < 1364755417 884158 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin interp* < 1364755420 866363 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin: \ ? \ @ \ WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ aseen \ botsnack \ bseen \ calc \ CaT \ define \ delquote \ emmental \ emoclew \ emptylist \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fueue \ gaseen \ google \ h \ ?h \ h! \ hatesgeo \ hello \ ?hh \ hyfinate \ hyphenate.fi \ instalist \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ js \ json < 1364755438 379101 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`js --version < 1364755443 180865 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an object Object, a JSON (the 1) object Object++, and the functions (the Sharp) would make it Object# < 1364755445 373521 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364755454 267951 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/js < 1364755455 944485 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/js: POSIX shell script text executable < 1364755462 293984 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`head bin/js < 1364755463 762189 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object Sharp! < 1364755463 956319 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ \ JAVA_CMD="/usr/bin/java" \ JAVA_OPTS="" \ JAVA_CLASSPATH="/usr/share/java/js.jar:/usr/share/java/jline.jar" \ JAVA_MAIN="org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Main" \ \ ## Fix for #512498 \ ## Change Bootclasspath when using OpenJDK because OpenJDK6 \ ## bundle his own release of Rhino. < 1364755515 858137 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?h < 1364755516 561691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhino is so unsexy. < 1364755517 982125 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1364755545 251239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be OdinMonkey or [insert some kind of latest V8 thing] or something. < 1364755555 521335 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat google < 1364755556 823620 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: google: No such file or directory < 1364755574 359676 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/google < 1364755574 862726 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/google < 1364755575 637663 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Google what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://google.com/search?q='"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 4 'Search Results' | \ tail -n 2 < 1364755576 323002 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Google what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://google.com/search?q='"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 4 'Search Results' | \ tail -n 2 < 1364755592 157270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a work, right? Those things aren't, right? < 1364755607 22638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least translatefromto is a broke, I think. < 1364755619 906213 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google hello < 1364755622 391755 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Sending HTTP request. \ HTTP request sent; waiting for response. \ Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. \ Can't Access `http://google.com/search?q=%68%65%6c%6c%6f' \ Alert!: Unable to access document. \ \ lynx: Can't access startfile < 1364755626 471758 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone ran rm / -R --no-preserve-root < 1364755627 319078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1364755636 285639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Then it wouldn't get committed. < 1364755642 5538 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1364755644 816519 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm / -R --no-preserve-root < 1364755648 282389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd give a lot of permission errors. < 1364755652 290351 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone preserved the canary file or whatever < 1364755653 770686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: If you were careful about it, you could remove many things, but then it would get reverted. < 1364755666 912019 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364755668 426904 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog \ a.out \ bin \ brainfuck.fu \ canary \ Category:Self-modifying \ dbg.out \ dkVb20VL \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ lib \ link \ mnt \ paste \ prefs \ prefs.bf \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ sgfoobar \ share \ sli < 1364755675 638702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: descend into write-protected directory `/'? < 1364755684 840349 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1364755686 151803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it asked a question. < 1364755687 335612 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: yes, please < 1364755708 867080 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat accesslog < 1364755709 537647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see /hackenv is getting kind of messy. < 1364755710 149890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364755724 258313 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`accesslog < 1364755724 589260 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file * | grep -v directory < 1364755725 514134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: accesslog: not found < 1364755727 313392 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog: empty \ a.out: empty \ brainfuck.fu: ASCII text \ canary: ASCII text \ Category:Self-modifying: HTM < 1364755734 794936 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1364755765 360764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm canary; mkdir canary; touch canary/hmm < 1364755769 935880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `canary': Is a directory \ mkdir: cannot create directory `canary': File exists < 1364755775 870565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's already a directlry < 1364755778 182305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls canary < 1364755779 662575 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1364755785 926607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm canary/hmm < 1364755789 502710 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364755789 698003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did successfully make a hmm. < 1364755790 419601 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've finished updating to Object# < 1364755793 754400 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/danqgqxf48q25hk/Object%23.js < 1364755814 645130 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir Halite < 1364755815 964091 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364755844 362637 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf < 1364755845 748903 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364755855 619460 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :omgd < 1364755863 134831 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo omgs < 1364755864 489189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :omgs < 1364755877 441438 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm canary < 1364755879 397983 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `canary': Is a directory < 1364755890 308860 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm -R < 1364755890 810387 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shutdown < 1364755891 702158 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: missing operand \ Try `rm --help' for more information. < 1364755892 158649 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: shutdown: command not found < 1364755898 528563 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file * | grep -v directory | sed 's/\s+/ /g' < 1364755900 727523 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog: empty \ a.out: empty \ brainfuck.fu: ASCII text \ Category:Self-modifying: HTML document text \ dbg.out: < 1364755901 523911 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run halt < 1364755902 864021 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: halt: command not found < 1364755903 58383 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm ./* < 1364755904 140358 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `./*': No such file or directory < 1364755905 213422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you both < 1364755906 43847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1364755909 611636 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364755917 963280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file * | paste < 1364755926 308346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14263 < 1364755932 765368 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about O# < 1364755937 335021 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/danqgqxf48q25hk/Object%23.js < 1364755938 893290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/d6195e6aa777 < 1364755944 38435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it somehow turned canary into a directory? < 1364755947 304887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite failing to rm it < 1364755970 444531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Huh, that's really quite curious. < 1364755985 164251 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget -r http://google.com/ < 1364755986 624015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: invalid option -- ' ' \ Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]... \ \ Try `wget --help' for more options. < 1364756007 802892 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought was an option < 1364756010 726491 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-r < 1364756025 383970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Don't do it; but you didn't `run, so it all got treated as a single argument. < 1364756039 276169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -r option was fine; the "- " one wasn't. < 1364756040 305048 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget -r http://google.com < 1364756042 351624 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1364756046 271386 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2013-03-31 18:54:04-- http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2013-03-31 18:54:05-- (try: 2) http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently \ Location: http < 1364756057 756600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you sort of ignored the first half of that sentence. < 1364756058 480065 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooooop < 1364756079 34585 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, sorry. I should read properly next time < 1364756088 293424 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo AnotherTest ... < 1364756089 927534 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest ... < 1364756098 919029 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw "you didn't run" < 1364756101 589296 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Hello everyone! < 1364756103 153094 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone! < 1364756104 482166 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364756105 894972 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog \ a.out \ bin \ brainfuck.fu \ canary \ Category:Self-modifying \ dbg.out \ dkVb20VL \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ google.com \ Halite \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ lib \ link \ mnt \ paste \ prefs \ prefs.bf \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ < 1364756125 182797 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Halite < 1364756137 477620 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls add object.# < 1364756138 960463 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access add object.#: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access add object.#: No such file or directory < 1364756148 864311 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls Halite < 1364756150 278543 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364756161 410113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't really figure out where "cannot remove `canary': Is a directory" came from. < 1364756165 622425 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir O# < 1364756167 148265 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364756171 628491 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364756173 156646 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog \ a.out \ bin \ brainfuck.fu \ canary \ Category:Self-modifying \ dbg.out \ dkVb20VL \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ google.com \ Halite \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ lib \ link \ mnt \ O# \ paste \ prefs \ prefs.bf \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainb < 1364756180 46643 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls O# < 1364756181 349943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rmdir Halite O'#' < 1364756181 613594 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364756182 827629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364756184 777781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: can you please stop spamming the bot < 1364756205 140651 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Hello, elliott. < 1364756206 572702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, elliott. < 1364756218 57778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is an example of the thing you should not be doing < 1364756230 118933 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuuuu < 1364756249 293194 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about my programming language called Object# at the moment < 1364756272 386890 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/danqgqxf48q25hk/Object%23.js < 1364756290 644975 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1364756293 230981 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364756311 685894 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog \ a.out \ bin \ brainfuck.fu \ Category:Self-modifying \ dbg.out \ dkVb20VL \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ google.com \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ lib \ link \ paste \ prefs \ prefs.bf \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ sgfoobar \ share \ slist < 1364756321 542852 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls google.com < 1364756322 979821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :index.html < 1364756343 71032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: It is also possible to access the bot by private messages too, if it is necessary to do so. < 1364756360 276718 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1364756370 968918 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about my programming language < 1364756380 389724 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's esoteric of course < 1364756439 301050 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-44.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364756476 373635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally you can't just walk into a room and demand that the conversation topic change to what you want it to be < 1364756483 380472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can tell us what's interesting about your language < 1364756618 964762 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting because its syntax is like this: ["cmd", [arg1, arg2]] < 1364756629 804700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not interesting < 1364756652 597322 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HECK IS INTERESTING THEN!!!! < 1364756652 936851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares where the brackets are, or whether they're square brackets or parentheses < 1364756674 110035 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my imagination is **** < 1364756684 416921 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 stars? nice < 1364756689 603887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: you should learn about what programming languages actually are < 1364756690 795029 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax <-- hey did i tell you peeps that there was a usenet post that somebody interpreted as "McCarthy invented Haskell back in 1960" < 1364756692 486857 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semantics is usually more interesting than syntax < 1364756693 812160 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was p. great < 1364756696 616807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :start here http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html < 1364756699 251401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: c.c < 1364756704 915994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I demand that this channel talk about pokemon < 1364756710 995267 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs and hides behind Bike < 1364756713 559865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 POKéMON! < 1364756719 277955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora did you see my AES-NI programs < 1364756722 628346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather talk about pokemon than a language where the syntax is json < 1364756728 16723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: anti-communist, functional programmer < 1364756730 435270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alan Perlis was born on April 1 < 1364756734 578366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that one doesn't really work either does it :( < 1364756757 202441 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the only joke about "mccarthy" i can think of involves the army trials where he went on about The Gays < 1364756763 752146 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364756786 95131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that like "Brewer, Patriot" < 1364756786 95337 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1364756791 884212 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well i'm hardly going to call someone gay as an insult. < 1364756828 840859 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ooh, link? < 1364756837 886683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain text files can be uploaded also using sprunge, by command-line programs or using a HTML form. < 1364756849 930660 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if it's the Lisp guy i could say something about it atrocious writing, but then i'd just be talking about the shittiness that is GOFAI < 1364756869 38044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/kmcallister/aesni-examples < 1364756873 229936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make pokemon game in SQL < 1364756885 315819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gandalf's only father's ailing infantry < 1364756911 620913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i can't read kmcallister is anything but "kay em cee... allister" < 1364756914 581790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1364756929 507086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1364756930 47358 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the book: 'A computational process is indeed much like a sorcerer's idea of a spirit. It cannot be seen or touched. It is not composed of matter at all. However, it is very real. It can perform intellectual work. It can answer questions. It can affect the world by disbursing money at a bank or by controlling a robot arm in a factory. The programs we use to conjure processes are like a sorcerer's spells. They are carefully composed from s < 1364756932 216676 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ymbolic expressions in arcane and esoteric programming languages that prescribe the tasks we want our processes to perform.' < 1364756964 630475 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure most of us have read it, dude. < 1364756988 304727 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least you don't need to dump out quotes from the intro. < 1364756999 391906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: and the machines that run programs are made by drawing strange patterns on rocks, then dipping them in dangerous chemicals < 1364757001 841949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For a moment there, I thought AES-NI was a... brand? model? species? of Pokémon. < 1364757005 737756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364757006 818097 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a programming languages contain the symbolic expression library that the program is prescribed to perform < 1364757007 12526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell people to read sicp but i'm too cool to actually read it < 1364757013 249425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AES-NI, I choose you! < 1364757017 540475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brand of pokemon < 1364757022 405464 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what my idea of a language was in the first chickening place < 1364757023 650314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only buy pokemon from shelters < 1364757026 618241 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the instruction's actually called "key_expand"? < 1364757027 545432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bulbasaur uses CACHE TIMING SIDE CHANNEL. It's not effective! < 1364757036 470229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no that's my macro < 1364757048 110068 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1364757050 138329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction is called AESKEYGENASSIST but as the name implies, it doesn't do the whole operation < 1364757062 203872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that instruction is a bit too long imo < 1364757063 430066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's the shuffling bit in the key_combine for? do we need to reverse the keys or something? < 1364757066 214437 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aeskeygenassist" ahahaha. < 1364757070 824853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have to be AEKYGA or something < 1364757083 176851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKGNSST sounds mnemonicky, too. < 1364757084 38710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's just what gets you from the output of AESKEYGENASSIST to the actual round key < 1364757085 840254 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAESKG < 1364757092 873180 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VPAESKGQDQ < 1364757095 255000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why those steps aren't included in the instruction < 1364757101 461738 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was that a programming language defines the rules of the symbolic 'spells' that our programs are made of < 1364757112 295835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly because you need to do other things on different rounds of AES-192 or AES-256? < 1364757118 744105 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm guessing too many registers involved? and could be that, yeah < 1364757119 172330 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but that doesn't actually mean anything. < 1364757135 326487 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc wants to waste my time < 1364757151 485888 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was making a bad joke about x86 naming <.< < 1364757154 780601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure kmc is right and you should read sicp < 1364757156 547594 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you, fiora < 1364757158 262878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just one paragraph of the intro < 1364757159 328241 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1364757166 487979 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy */me points* < 1364757167 878328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then insulting him based on your misreading of that singel paragraph < 1364757175 556145 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual this assembly stuff is way beyond me < 1364757177 203642 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to understand kycombine code < 1364757181 613457 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't take this keyassistince < 1364757181 944775 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object# does define the rules - 'flow' is a rule - 'alert' is a rule < 1364757188 946165 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364757192 276102 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364757205 400379 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@g aesenc < 1364757205 855850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: gazetteer get-shapr ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki . ? @ v < 1364757210 672966 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I do mean that Object# be atleast Turing complete, nevermind making any sense. < 1364757211 48329 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, durr. < 1364757220 793181 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind making any sense indeed. < 1364757271 49299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. so it's calculating < 1364757280 102674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@googleit hmm < 1364757280 297571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=hmm < 1364757282 838714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1364757289 599302 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{P0^V P1^P0^V P2^P1^P0^V P3^P2^P1^P0^V}? < 1364757297 338784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364757300 401672 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good command. < 1364757304 111740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some really sneaky shuffling code, I love it < 1364757314 694919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364757318 697027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stole it from Linux :) < 1364757318 892971 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@? < 1364757336 926040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually I found some link that illustrates AES key expansion well < 1364757341 873638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should add it to the comments < 1364757352 436832 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment was there, I saw it! < 1364757356 514604 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just took me some time to figureit out ^^; < 1364757374 137288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean more about, why is {P0^V P1^P0^V P2^P1^P0^V P3^P2^P1^P0^V} what we want to compute < 1364757378 118602 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1364757396 220552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the answer is just "because that's how AES is specified" but I think there's a nice way of showing the whole dealy < 1364757399 130935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to try to find it < 1364757421 325015 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's all exponentiation? < 1364757425 648181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor < 1364757434 223377 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh durr. < 1364757542 439501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bc.edu/~straubin/cs381-05/blockciphers/rijndael_ingles2004.swf < 1364757550 696032 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the reason I said nevermind making any sense is because kmc is putting pressure on me making me read a 100 000 000 page book < 1364757568 181095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: yes because you are ignorant and reading books is a good way to learn things < 1364757596 857023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I think my bookshelf is about to collapse. I didn't realize it had that many pages! < 1364757608 129447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to remain ignorant and make boring languages, that's fine, but you can't badger us into talking about your boring language < 1364757611 233928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: well you are putting pressure on the channel to talk about your language < 1364757614 837657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see how that is any different < 1364757628 111347 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any book (or rather, series of books) has had that many pages. < 1364757628 305634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In my fortress everything is weaponised against my own dwarves. Usually unintentionally, but it happens regardless." < 1364757633 602114 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many does the Mahabharata have again? < 1364757649 346509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pages is the US Code? < 1364757669 625806 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the critical edition is only 13k. < 1364757690 3344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Google Book Search indexes 20 million books, so if you can call it a "series" (you can't), in total it'd probably pass that number of pages. < 1364757691 25251 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many pages the article namespace of wikipedia would require < 1364757700 105039 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This animation is kind of neat. < 1364757708 220292 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know what the deal is with the numbers being passed to key_expand? < 1364757712 172169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm accesslog a.out Category:Self-modifying dbg.out dkVb20VL foo foo.out foo.err google.com/index.html index.html link prefs prefs.bf < 1364757714 970913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364757715 213830 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I think they estimated that somewhere. < 1364757720 397387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364757723 20318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rmdir google.com < 1364757723 658636 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog \ a.out \ bin \ brainfuck.fu \ Category:Self-modifying \ dbg.out \ dkVb20VL \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ google.com \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ lib \ link \ paste \ prefs \ prefs.bf \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ sgfoobar \ share \ slist < 1364757724 880145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir: failed to remove `google.com': Directory not empty < 1364757730 798428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls google.com < 1364757732 386114 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :index.html < 1364757735 924674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -r google.com < 1364757736 249503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1364757738 627634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364757742 93444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe race condition... < 1364757743 660912 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rmdir -f google.com < 1364757746 214548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1364757746 474018 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir: invalid option -- 'f' \ Try `rmdir --help' for more information. < 1364757751 262050 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1364757751 456941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364757753 40465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog \ a.out \ bin \ brainfuck.fu \ Category:Self-modifying \ dbg.out \ dkVb20VL \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ google.com \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ lib \ link \ paste \ prefs \ prefs.bf \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ sgfoobar \ share \ slist < 1364757758 414211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who knows < 1364757764 409260 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to the force < 1364757766 67035 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm how many page is Needham's? < 1364757770 752442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: It's an option for rm. < 1364757774 748441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm accesslog a.out Category:Self-modifying dbg.out dkVb20VL foo foo.out foo.err google.com/index.html index.html link prefs prefs.bf < 1364757776 408149 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty damn long. < 1364757777 655475 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364757780 377943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364757783 422467 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :accesslog \ a.out \ bin \ brainfuck.fu \ Category:Self-modifying \ dbg.out \ dkVb20VL \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ google.com \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ karma \ lib \ link \ paste \ prefs \ prefs.bf \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ sgfoobar \ share \ slist < 1364757788 650315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat < 1364757791 20264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: needham's? < 1364757792 615228 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 volumes. < 1364757794 302226 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1364757795 682819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh hm < 1364757797 911062 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_Civilisation_in_China < 1364757798 837492 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-melts down- < 1364757799 872650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I don't think my rmdir has ever had that option. (Maybe some shell builtin has.) < 1364757801 865790 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUUUGH < 1364757803 260073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe the canary being a directory broke this < 1364757810 666021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rmdir canary; echo chirp >canary < 1364757814 526420 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir: failed to remove `canary': No such file or directory < 1364757819 156771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuh < 1364757822 694298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls canary < 1364757823 838046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right because it was an empty directory? < 1364757824 158037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary < 1364757826 288806 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo poor Halite < 1364757827 635403 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Halite < 1364757828 712908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway it should work now. < 1364757829 942172 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, they've been publishing it for fifty years. < 1364757832 130224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess part of why they split it up is to make the instructions also useful for relatives of AES, like Rijndael with other block sizes, or some of the hash functions that use AES parts < 1364757833 171170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm accesslog a.out Category:Self-modifying dbg.out dkVb20VL foo foo.out foo.err google.com/index.html index.html link prefs prefs.bf < 1364757834 371124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: if you don't like the channel then leave. < 1364757835 399764 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast HackEgo cares < 1364757836 750142 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364757838 531420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364757840 96059 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ brainfuck.fu \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ google.com \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ sgfoobar \ share \ slist.rej \ src \ test \ ul.emm \ wisdom < 1364757841 200516 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume Fiora has the entire thing. < 1364757843 954403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1364757845 125386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@? < 1364757845 320522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: ? @ < 1364757852 226064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mv brainfuck.fu src < 1364757853 516952 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: missing destination file operand after `brainfuck.fu src' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. < 1364757854 691862 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I thought it had < 1364757857 27028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv brainfuck.fu src < 1364757859 980763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is brainfuck.fu even. < 1364757860 536073 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364757861 486928 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you get my message? I think it migh have been lost in the flood < 1364757863 191114 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you like chinese history, right. < 1364757865 383973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh feueue? < 1364757867 135160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feueueueue < 1364757869 911349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ul.emm src < 1364757871 298390 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ul.emm: command not found < 1364757874 365706 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on <_> < 1364757875 597690 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run killall init < 1364757876 858217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv ul.emm src < 1364757877 173924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :init(1): Operation not permitted \ init(279): Operation not permitted < 1364757880 47703 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silliness. < 1364757880 308362 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364757880 984978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numbers being passed to key_expand? < 1364757884 194634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, yeah < 1364757886 511293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just the round constants < 1364757888 287043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364757889 713685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ google.com \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ rainbow \ sgfoobar \ share \ slist.rej \ src \ test \ wisdom < 1364757892 845810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they come from... math somehow < 1364757895 746757 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1364757899 972329 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc sums up crypto < 1364757902 1504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking of doing that kind of thing except couldn't figure out a sufficiently witty "# comment" to put after it. < 1364757902 502481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Numbers From Math < 1364757903 733296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my programs in fueue and emmental < 1364757904 874640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijndael_key_schedule#Rcon < 1364757915 466233 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From The Polynomial They Came, out this summer < 1364757918 18026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i considered making a comment but... < 1364757922 387724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x01, 0x02, 0x04, 0x08, 0x10, 0x20, 0x40, 0x80, 0x1b, 0x36 < 1364757934 998157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm radio* < 1364757938 639570 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364757957 247357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab*, too beautiful for this world < 1364757983 695736 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO :( < 1364757984 696607 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth can I have my language be interesting when my imagination is 1 out of 5 < 1364757995 910504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn more things < 1364758004 872470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read SICP and read about other esolangs on the wiki < 1364758009 728576 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, teach me more things < 1364758010 778782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry they're being a bit harsh to you Halite :< < 1364758018 938857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure others here can give you suggestions for esolangs that are interesting < 1364758022 918599 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, you should try learning more languages so you have more ideas to run from < 1364758028 541908 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, thank you for realising that < 1364758029 79613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some super silly and fun esolangs < 1364758029 750979 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: We have books to sum up things we could say in a more structured, thought-out form. < 1364758030 562890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: I'm trying. i'm telling you what to read < 1364758038 629442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how teaching works, often < 1364758039 686066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "August 2010: It was announced that Google intends to scan all known existing 129,864,880 books by the end of the decade, accounting to over 4 billion digital pages and 2 trillion words in total" -- that implies a "book" on average has only something over 30 pages. (Well, "digital pages". Whatever that means.) < 1364758047 638958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you might not be aware of halite's "history" here < 1364758048 487054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to sit here and type each line from SICP into the channel, one by one < 1364758054 348456 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I imagine they have a lot of garbage. < 1364758056 56300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do some of the SICP exercises I can take a look and give feedback < 1364758063 129531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've taught a class using that book several times) < 1364758067 744552 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh... < 1364758070 890182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But are you going to make a bot to sit here and type each line from SICP into the channel, one by one. (Don't.) < 1364758071 223573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1364758079 916580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, the most confusing place < 1364758080 449735 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am too weak to suffer kmc's criticism. I admit that myself. < 1364758080 986297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crawls back over to the corner and reads aes code and plays anno < 1364758086 849349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is confusing < 1364758089 809308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1364758093 853671 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just want peace, though. < 1364758094 193313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play pokemon card too! < 1364758098 112933 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that reminds me kmc, I saw a dots and lines graphic of environments in something pretty unrelated to SICP and thought of you. you've infected me. < 1364758102 865705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: you realise he is trying to help you, not criticise you... < 1364758104 620961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364758118 486595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i am as confused as you are < 1364758134 447136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not the first or second time this has happened < 1364758137 28483 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: speaking of which you might enjoy looking at the "memory pool system", it's where all that crazy C code I was pasting is from, but it's a pretty cool thingie. < 1364758148 123698 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't heard of it, I mean. < 1364758152 360298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? http://www.ravenbrook.com/project/mps/ < 1364758168 735211 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1364758171 627137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1364758179 480025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play the old rules, where, among other things, the name+level (or name alone, in the case of trainer cards and energy cards) uniquely identifies a card. < 1364758193 731927 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use malloc and GCd memory in the same program and stuff, and there are multiple mallocs and multiple GCs... < 1364758197 928169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I was going to talk to zzo38 about Quantum M:tG < 1364758200 818534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: very cool < 1364758224 52899 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's all in really portable and enterprise-in-a-good-way C, which is a bit intimidating < 1364758233 6710 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all" -> "not including that stack scanning" < 1364758285 47321 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's just cast a jump buf to an array) < 1364758298 960670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do prolog in c by doing that < 1364758302 737411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty cute < 1364758332 186474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I don't even play exactly by the old rules; I play that ties stand, although I do have a few additional rules for resolving ties, making ties somewhat less likely than it normally is. < 1364758334 476531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one idea is that each player's life starts at |20> and can reach any superposition of |0>, |1>, |2>, ... (i.e, a quantum harmonic oscillator?) < 1364758358 814568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point a measurement is taken (maybe there are cards to force this) and if you have 0 life you lose < 1364758385 59774 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a measurement is taken, won't you not be able to be in a mixed state any more? < 1364758414 851345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: With existing cards you can't, anyways, I think, but if it is a new game you could also make up new cards, perhaps < 1364758439 369748 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I doubt existing cards have Hamiltonians < 1364758464 1969 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure it's proper < 1364758464 644790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK, perhaps it can be understood, do you need a state vector with a potentially unlimited number of components? < 1364758469 361669 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex probabilities an dall < 1364758492 226921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you would need new cards that have interesting quantum operators < 1364758548 871786 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364758549 544083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that the operators should be set up such that the |0> component of your life represents not taking actions, since you're "already dead" < 1364758554 639463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can still interfere < 1364758572 91899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: quantum doesn't have complex probabilities to my knowledge < 1364758582 926054 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative? < 1364758588 230267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has complex-valued vectors whose norm can be interpreted as a probability < 1364758596 129131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is the possibility to have 0 life and still be able to play, in some cases! < 1364758602 717530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norm is a positive number and things are normalized so it's between 0 and 1 < 1364758625 951597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1364758628 211560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1364758639 471607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir retired; mv radio* retired < 1364758643 88863 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `retired': File exists < 1364758673 319027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1364758687 981675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls r* < 1364758689 489729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow \ \ retired: \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* < 1364758696 423669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364758700 197956 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THis is a good notice. < 1364758715 479651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what the error message is for < 1364758715 674112 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's april fool's day. < 1364758728 96922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on < 1364758740 289486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet (maybe in, Japan?) < 1364758741 793169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither in my timezone nor the server time is April Fool day yet. < 1364758756 565864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bot is it that does BF? < 1364758760 749232 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the bf interpreter, might as well do this < 1364758764 959124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >++++++++++ [>++++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++><<<<<<-] >+>++>++++>+>+++> <<<<<< >.>.>.>.>. < 1364758767 227749 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :eprog < 1364758768 55913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: several < 1364758768 454156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you guys see that rainbow freenode notice just now < 1364758774 507030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364758775 515520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes < 1364758779 987957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1364758782 242059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it's bf < 1364758790 87880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought that was what Bike was referring to < 1364758802 44243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eprog? wat < 1364758812 704806 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's easter. Of course it's easer, I even just ate all this fucking chocolate. < 1364758830 585878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately ###eprog##bhggbyhapu is not a channel. < 1364758863 714825 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1364758937 412696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it gets rot13'd to outtolunch < 1364758942 488550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhggbyhapu that is < 1364758951 359530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:42:25 -!- Topic for ###eprog: Welcome to level 1 of one of our quizzes, good luck. Staff won't answer your questions :) #####946684800 — 4102444800 < 1364758954 282097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1364758972 140328 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems too challenging for me :( :( :( < 1364758977 157179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably is houldn't paste that in a publicly-logged channel but whatever < 1364758981 394142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these further levels look like work < 1364758985 27428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think i will not bother < 1364758990 63318 :alphabeta!~alphabeta@S01060018f8d7f8ec.wp.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364759003 894393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if making quantum Magic: the Gathering, you might have other thing too which is superposition and entangled, rather than only the life totals? < 1364759020 769975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome alphabeta < 1364759022 711276 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364759022 905032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphabeta: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364759049 319133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, what I do want to make, and know more about, is the mathematical version of Magic: the Gathering cards. < 1364759052 339466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm sgfoobar test < 1364759055 878407 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364759063 130474 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to resort to making another variant of that one-character language < 1364759088 892784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling the numbers gives something interesting < 1364759091 694149 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be minimalistic < 1364759184 30489 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364759203 684746 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364759239 533950 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364759239 728155 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364759287 652320 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1364759293 510394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm slist.rej rainbow; mv egobot.tar.xz src; rmdir google.com < 1364759297 672793 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir: failed to remove `google.com': No such file or directory < 1364759304 644505 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :return constant; < 1364759309 410353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite ridiculous. < 1364759339 759422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already got rid of google.com, I think < 1364759339 953611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think HackEgo has significant problems handling empty directories < 1364759342 143484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls google.com < 1364759343 614190 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access google.com: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access google.com: No such file or directory < 1364759345 16523 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1364759346 445676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ retired \ share \ src \ wisdom < 1364759350 421301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know. < 1364759354 345970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg doesn't track empty directories at all -- wait why would it list the errors twice. < 1364759355 810097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file google.com < 1364759356 8910 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rmdir bin < 1364759356 949901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.com: ERROR: cannot open `google.com' (No such file or directory) < 1364759357 144926 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir: failed to remove `bin': Directory not empty < 1364759379 218896 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HackEgo cannot handle empty directories. Period. < 1364759383 984249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: file showed it as being there before i did that command. < 1364759396 75397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1364759399 698575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it would be nice if it actually _removed_ them properly hth. < 1364759400 128775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre < 1364759419 745972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh well it seems to be gone now. < 1364759423 348716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much of which can also be represented in Haskell such as by a Timestamp type. Timestamps are ordered and all objects have unique timestamps, in all zones. The timestamp is corresponding to an existing object or is failing if the object no longer exists (it is never reused). Every object has an optional initial state, and the initial state is idempotent. < 1364759429 459958 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: *smack* < 1364759510 139959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tokens have no initial state. However, now tokens can exist in any zone, such as on the stack, too. < 1364759561 563583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think HackEgo ./ is fairly clean now. < 1364759576 458842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, no more planeswalker type. There will be a new type, which is somewhat similar but also different; if the object is in play, it is a player and a object. If it wins or loses the game, it is discarded. < 1364759597 50044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It belongs to the same team as its controller. < 1364759597 538291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hackego behaves really weirdly if you do this, also: < 1364759597 958179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think... < 1364759600 425188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file canary < 1364759601 763866 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary: ASCII text < 1364759605 974600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm canary; mkdir canary; touch canary/hmm < 1364759609 726901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `canary': Is a directory \ mkdir: cannot create directory `canary': File exists < 1364759615 566498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file canary < 1364759616 910058 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary: directory < 1364759618 349742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary/hmm < 1364759619 622694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364759628 369060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your guess as to how on earth those rm/mkdir errors produce that result is as good as mine. < 1364759632 762110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv retired/* share/; rmdir retired < 1364759633 146313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wait... I have a guess. < 1364759636 201578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:49:01 `ls google.com < 1364759636 396568 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364759636 591148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:49:03 ​/bin/ls: cannot access google.com: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access google.com: No such file or directory < 1364759640 214245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is hackego running every command *twice*? < 1364759646 477208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain that output of my canary line < 1364759654 283033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -r canary; echo chirp >canary # restore it back < 1364759657 456437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364759659 46059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XD < 1364759664 470670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls re* < 1364759665 917846 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access re*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access re*: No such file or directory < 1364759666 112402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me, such thing is less klugy than existing planeswalkers rules. (It must be called something else, because the name "planeswalkers" is confusion with "plainswalk".) < 1364759671 767881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi < 1364759673 16023 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364759677 518616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...though it would not explain that < 1364759679 246952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/echo hi < 1364759680 919732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364759688 411844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch q; echo hi < 1364759691 921039 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364759694 986948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1364759697 13276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm q < 1364759697 987035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ls _does_ show error messages twice btw, an unfortunate side effect of the prevention of listing wisdom/ < 1364759699 990909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364759700 272255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I give up on understanding < 1364759706 582662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1364759713 290987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shouldn't the first invocation be run with 2>/dev/null? < 1364759726 993796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ls < 1364759728 424225 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" | grep -q ^752131 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec /bin/ls "$@"; fi < 1364759741 743060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh here's a better version of that rijndael animation: http://www.formaestudio.com/rijndaelinspector/archivos/rijndaelanimation.html < 1364759760 245482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :key schedule starts on step 14 < 1364759769 80158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/| grep/2>/dev/null | grep' bin/ls < 1364759770 412693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 14: unknown option to `s' < 1364759785 321964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/| grep/2>\/dev\/null | grep/' bin/ls < 1364759788 710811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364759794 736032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls google.com < 1364759796 242769 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access google.com: No such file or directory < 1364759804 203598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks for tip < 1364759819 855452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally it would somehow run the second ls with argv[0] = "ls" so that the errors also used "ls:", but you can't have everything :P < 1364759857 398105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless you know a way. < 1364759859 855985 :alphabeta!~alphabeta@S01060018f8d7f8ec.wp.shawcable.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364759866 904242 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364759873 303396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could do it in C. < 1364759881 108582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1364759886 692503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can do exec -a ls /bin/ls ... < 1364759891 9748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bash, at least. < 1364759903 815413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bash let you exec a program with empty argv? < 1364759918 435955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run exec -a '' /bin/ls google.com < 1364759919 698761 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​: cannot access google.com: No such file or directory < 1364759928 104241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run exec -a '' /bin/ls < 1364759929 528208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom < 1364759932 79494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's argv = {""} < 1364759934 731587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if that counts < 1364759937 188598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well = {"", NULL} < 1364759968 899972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf taught me about empty argv < 1364759974 818294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the name "loyalty" counters; instead, this new one, has life counters, where its life total is equal to the number of its life counters, and ordinary rules for life totals and state-based effects are used. Blocking attacks to such a card is allowed if that card controls any creatures! An alternative is a rule allowing your cards to block attacks to teammates who have no cards able to block; this would have other effects, too, poss < 1364759977 20355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I can find at least one bug in any C program < 1364759979 905542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a useful party trick < 1364760053 137085 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does posix allow null argv? < 1364760095 839122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think C allows a null argv either. (An empty one it does.) < 1364760117 543589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule about "argv[argc] shall be a null pointer" in e.g. C11 5.1.2.2.1p2 does not seem to have any exceptions. < 1364760127 14903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called this type "playercard" although it might not be the best thing to call it either. < 1364760147 337540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty argv? < 1364760160 379695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless by "null argv" you meant exactly that; argc == 0, argv[0] == 0.) < 1364760164 199826 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >++++++++++ [>++++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++><<<<<<-] >+>++>++++>+>+++> <<<<<< >.>.>.>.>. < 1364760164 751518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: argc = 0, argv[0] = NULL < 1364760164 945492 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :eprog < 1364760170 552310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls #hm... < 1364760172 279741 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom < 1364760176 777808 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. getopt seems check for argc<1 and handle it right? < 1364760177 727910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ls < 1364760178 727993 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^752131 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec /bin/ls "$@"; fi < 1364760185 975771 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm reading this right < 1364760193 194434 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wow gnu coding style is weird < 1364760204 881993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1364760206 541792 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? \ ? \ ?? \ ⌨ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ $1? \ ais523 \ america \ atriq \ atrix \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bicategory \ bienvenue \ bike \ bird \ boily \ bonvenon \ bookwatching \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ c \ cakeprophet \ california \ category \ category-helpdesk \ certainly \ certainty \ claustrophobia \ coffee \ color \ colour \ < 1364760209 851188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1364760219 771485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't think that is in the right place < 1364760224 928949 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?brainfuck < 1364760226 233743 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?brainfuck: not found < 1364760230 971203 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom brainfuck < 1364760232 202701 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdom: not found < 1364760232 468848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1364760241 361799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1364760241 711387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wisdom brainfuck < 1364760243 399482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't censor wisdom < 1364760262 139386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: alternatively, how do do _just_ stderr and not also stdout < 1364760266 625805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do you do < 1364760273 410733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ls wisdom only appears to ping six people now and I don't remember any of them being one of the ones who complained < 1364760276 459254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly problem solved < 1364760279 191982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is what 2>/dev/null does < 1364760285 924576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps place it after the grep instead or something? I am confused < 1364760302 669122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't need it anymore, then just delete that file now < 1364760315 578572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ls -id wisdom < 1364760316 623295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rename it, in case you need it again later, it can be restored easily. < 1364760317 46239 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :752129 wisdom < 1364760329 846282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: There are many getopts, so it's a bit hard to make any statements what "getopt" in general does. < 1364760353 1951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _or_ it could be that wisdom's inode number has changed. hmph. < 1364760389 173480 :alphabeta!~alphabeta@S01060018f8d7f8ec.wp.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364760422 737560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364760441 161012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh that makes sense. < 1364760460 228543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/752131/752129/;s/exec/exec -a ls/' bin/ls < 1364760463 744089 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364760470 927247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1364760472 475768 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead. < 1364760476 175722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls google.com < 1364760477 630746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec: 2: -a: not found < 1364760479 978663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1364760490 443047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently not :( < 1364760494 725454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: FWIW, I didn't see any *obvious* sanity checks for argv[0] not existing -- and the code later freely uses argv[0] in error messages -- in glibc getopt. But I could've missed them. And I was looking at a random version. < 1364760498 643474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is #!/bin/sh < 1364760501 177771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #!/bin/bash < 1364760541 685251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1s/sh/bash/' bin/ls < 1364760545 37862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364760548 736544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls google.com < 1364760550 376820 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access google.com: No such file or directory < 1364760554 951325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yay! < 1364760579 776844 :alphabeta!~alphabeta@S01060018f8d7f8ec.wp.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is hackego? < 1364760581 380470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that inode thing will probably break again :( < 1364760619 656245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1364760621 206125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphabeta: one of our bots. it runs a sandboxed linux backed by a mercury repository. < 1364760623 25014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1364760623 280068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1364760629 837369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "mercurial" hth < 1364760642 20714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THX < 1364760668 391140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn mercurial < 1364760668 921156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "mercurial" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1364760670 67359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mercurial < 1364760672 105393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: liable to sudden unpredictable change; "erratic < 1364760673 938857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : behavior"; "fickle weather"; "mercurial twists of < 1364760675 974143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : temperament"; "a quicksilver character, cool and willful < 1364760677 159522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good description. < 1364760677 994508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9 @more lines] < 1364760680 980318 :ggherdov!~gghh@vau06-2-82-238-188-31.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364760684 237861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds like HackEgo all right. < 1364760703 742088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE ggherdov < 1364760705 957924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GgHeRdOv: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1364760730 657643 :ggherdov!~gghh@vau06-2-82-238-188-31.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thankyou! < 1364761001 338127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome! literally! < 1364761047 613856 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364761144 175288 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364761304 233767 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1364761322 279534 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP only says what you'd find in a real programming language < 1364761343 845183 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could make my language interesting, different from others in its own unique way < 1364761349 861831 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364761404 944319 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here < 1364761420 836318 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ping < 1364761425 272687 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong! < 1364761441 638477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read the entire book in like 20 minutes? < 1364761447 200089 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364761458 163566 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364761468 365805 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book will only tell me what is boring < 1364761476 242987 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the book itself is boring < 1364761510 872982 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little child in a bedroom on a laptop trying to relax. < 1364761561 638664 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that interesting things aren't so simple. It takes effort. < 1364761599 202608 :alphabeta!~alphabeta@S01060018f8d7f8ec.wp.shawcable.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364761635 737473 :Hekos!~hekos@unaffiliated/Hekos JOIN :#esoteric < 1364761681 297379 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1364761693 139409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: the point is that it's hard to make an interesting language unless you know about the variation in languages that already exists. otherwise you end up just reinventing something that already exists with a slightly different syntax. < 1364761793 165988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your language won't be truly interesting unless it contains a genuinely new idea - which you cannot get from books, at least not books about programming languages. < 1364761793 408341 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364761806 390866 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1364761825 153983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Halite the point is that it's hard to make an interesting language unless you know about the variation in languages that already exists. otherwise you end up just reinventing something that already exists with a slightly different syntax. < 1364761825 676618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364761829 759126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a slight feeling of hopeless doom. < 1364761833 30206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Halite also your language won't be truly interesting unless it contains a genuinely new idea - which you cannot get from books, at least not books about programming languages. < 1364761833 423352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364761838 550372 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of my languages, I think maybe two have an original idea < 1364761839 95594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL NOT BE IGNORED < 1364761856 314185 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luigi isn't original at all < 1364761856 785568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, oerjan's going to take over the world again < 1364761863 975809 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is MIBBLLII < 1364761881 517657 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1364761900 844592 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I'm pretty sure that last one is. < 1364761907 507218 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Nora world and we're all downloading in it < 1364761940 159542 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's just a new syntax for Lambda Calculus < 1364761941 412250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my second point is not entirely absolute. there _is_ also the matter of esthetics. < 1364761968 130068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue is /possibly/ original < 1364761971 891103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... it has to be somewhat new esthetics too, presumably. < 1364761993 378041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :æsthetics < 1364762009 97034 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjnolamwzlxltuge QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364762024 4087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, sprinkle a's as appropriate < 1364762045 663281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :æsthætics < 1364762048 10655 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364762057 44190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my excuse is that there's not any a in the norwegian word) < 1364762064 906585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor æ) < 1364762080 107620 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aesthetics is the English word < 1364762082 427091 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ywfkezpoukpjgole JOIN :#esoteric < 1364762100 808260 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"esthetics" is a fine spelling. < 1364762116 582273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus => shubshub => halite < 1364762130 231305 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the same person? < 1364762147 971569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what i meant < 1364762161 400770 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same person in spirit. < 1364762176 399597 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus was actually fun < 1364762186 810353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364762201 492303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also i think Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download has some aesthetic appeal. < 1364762205 891822 :Hekos!~hekos@unaffiliated/Hekos PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364762210 951795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hey I have a great idea for a new original language! It is like brainfuck, but with pointers. I'm /sure/ nobody thought of that before. < 1364762213 807716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides < 1364762219 186955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointerfuck < 1364762222 912143 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the aesthetic appeal is ripped straight fro BIT < 1364762231 354230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _me_ you should be hiding from, Vorpal. < 1364762232 418842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, at least it is ONE step above brainfuck with different syntax < 1364762241 676262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's BIT < 1364762242 298681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a large step < 1364762243 842912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the aesthetic appeal is the name < 1364762254 382660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the syntax. < 1364762257 995552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a truly innovative language would be a waste if you used that name < 1364762261 37441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the name would overshadow it < 1364762271 112467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1364762282 363300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what, you think Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is an unusual name? < 1364762301 42410 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, I say stuff like Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download in everyday conversation all the time. < 1364762305 742161 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, BIT is like Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download, but based on C rather than lambda calculus < 1364762312 632284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, maybe that is why I have no friends < 1364762325 44128 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364762335 25174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the reasons you have no friends are numerous, I am afraid < 1364762338 400162 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PART :#esoteric < 1364762344 653433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Vorpal rivalry just doesn't feel the same any more. < 1364762350 681051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss the glory days of 2008. < 1364762368 307936 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, outside of this channel I have a fair number of friends. Both on IRC and in real life. Not a HUGE amount, I'm an introvert. < 1364762370 989418 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when elliott was the only person in Hexham < 1364762388 556286 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had a rivalry? < 1364762393 585401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, we did < 1364762402 697390 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make out? < 1364762407 570143 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have more circles of friends than some of my friends have friends < 1364762426 17173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what? < 1364762437 541692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what you don't realise is that Vorpal used to be even worse! < 1364762438 200078 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1364762454 129027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, also elliott used to be even more annoying < 1364762462 859537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just saying) < 1364762500 700892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: even he admits it, i think < 1364762518 745953 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, and I admit I have grown up since then too < 1364762523 844572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: watch it if you don't want that adminship. < 1364762525 915572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing strange with both of us growing up < 1364762529 468557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is making out thought to be a way to generate rivalries or resolve them? < 1364762534 503530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could go either way < 1364762536 594441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, admin of wiki? < 1364762542 987520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds booring indeed < 1364762554 461881 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a continuation. < 1364762576 14850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I don't think making out would have been legal considering the ages of the participants. < 1364762583 476620 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weren't you like 13 back then? < 1364762585 203414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we didn't get newbies in here, i would long since have become the most immature person in the channel just by all these people passing me. < 1364762596 501564 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have romeo and juliet laws in Hexham < 1364762610 669253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so wait, you are... 17 now? < 1364762614 509832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be right < 1364762620 412363 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right < 1364762622 952980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1364762627 527463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :time flies < 1364762635 529315 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's about 10 months younger than I am < 1364762646 148614 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott will always be 12 to me < 1364762655 23376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and always 13 to me heh < 1364762670 121677 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wow, you can get a driving license soon < 1364762674 528660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for Taneb I guess < 1364762683 101296 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, we can both get driving licenses now < 1364762688 879316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can drink and vote < 1364762692 731403 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have done both < 1364762696 14368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, wait, what? What is the limit on driving license in UK? < 1364762697 231254 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's scary < 1364762704 13595 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 until next year < 1364762709 880905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, okay < 1364762711 247268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: at the same time? < 1364762713 159368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 18 here < 1364762733 921522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and it is 21 for buying alcohol in Sweden < 1364762736 141091 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, no, but I voted Lib Dem, so I may as well been drunk < 1364762741 573 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, 18 here < 1364762745 280853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1364762756 982862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so are they going to raise it to 18 next year? < 1364762762 135030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2349/2767290876_424fd45275_z.jpg < 1364762775 679378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, for the license I mean < 1364762777 523412 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime soon < 1364762780 816966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: haha < 1364762785 639910 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget when < 1364762792 536402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364762792 730659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lib Dems: It Was Worth A Shot < 1364762801 35207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, do you have a license? < 1364762804 435526 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God no. < 1364762808 18391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you vote in the voting referendum too < 1364762811 10482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, training for one? < 1364762814 41560 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1364762820 181027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1364762822 349031 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have the confidence < 1364762825 45392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364762838 490034 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives a great freedom once you have it. < 1364762844 729704 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still a bit scared of being a passenger in a car < 1364762850 744704 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I'm fine on planes...) < 1364762853 76636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, why < 1364762856 614610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about trains? < 1364762858 882343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :busses? < 1364762863 920972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boats? < 1364762868 424399 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine on trains, iffy on buses < 1364762873 314115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hovercrafts? < 1364762875 585816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, tandem bicycles? < 1364762880 660687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :submarines? < 1364762889 213577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicycles? < 1364762892 151685 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the size of the boats, never tried hovercrafts, tandems, or subs < 1364762896 52728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well planes are less dangerous than cars < 1364762899 237706 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm learning to unicycle < 1364762904 613296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, god, I would be scared on a unicycle < 1364762913 433132 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a princess? < 1364762921 693421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what about a normal bicycle? < 1364762927 96778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicycling is easy < 1364762941 430330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, It probably is once you learn it yes < 1364762957 484627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...to learn < 1364762962 288097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I have a terrible sense of balance though. Not going to help. < 1364762973 815023 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364762984 942514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, let me put it this way: I have a hard time standing on one leg. < 1364762986 623979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364762997 380323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :standing on one leg is easy to learn < 1364763003 589747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me no < 1364763013 843867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal doesn't have a leg to stand on. < 1364763022 957848 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm not the most fit of people < 1364763026 505570 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can cycle < 1364763031 80188 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1364763040 818429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why are you scared of cars and busses? < 1364763048 766092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are scary < 1364763051 922719 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1364763057 179314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, didn't grow up going in them very often? < 1364763060 376487 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get motion sickness easy? < 1364763063 798083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1364763069 331434 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've been travelling by car most of my life < 1364763069 700731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never get motion sickness < 1364763074 453369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cars are fucking scary < 1364763091 566267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, having problems sitting backwards in trains or busses then? < 1364763096 895689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cars are stupidly dangerous < 1364763100 770926 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sit backwards in trains fine < 1364763109 213460 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not buses, though < 1364763116 42874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1364763141 315111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once got motion sickness in a vehicle, but that was by looking through binoculars from a moving car. Oh and once at an amusement park. < 1364763149 442017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes < 1364763171 479297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so when will you get your driving license? < 1364763173 359622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1364763188 648402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our drinking age is 18 for anything, but I think there's some higher number for buying the good^Wstrong stuff? < 1364763196 896666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: never < 1364763214 738783 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, really < 1364763224 468166 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm (relatively) fine on rollercoasters < 1364763229 550836 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on water rides, though < 1364763246 471542 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's actually a chatbot < 1364763289 830076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is actually a submarine < 1364763301 811178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the one I got motion sickness from was one of those things where you are sitting in a smallish (5 people or so) spinning cup, mounted on a bigger spinning circular pad, mounted on a much larger spinning platform. < 1364763309 804505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1364763323 500372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :think it was called the whirlwind or something like that < 1364763324 22609 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A waltzer? Those are fun :) < 1364763331 959063 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364763332 156172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no idea what that is < 1364763338 24444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmm epicycles < 1364763357 28483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, googling suggest that is not a flat thing, this was < 1364763362 419029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, quite so < 1364763386 946654 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.131.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... what next? "Room topic is: Good job! Level 1 completed. | pTShnJAmo3W0" < 1364763432 667803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, what < 1364763444 586861 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364763450 363084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly one of those April Fool's puzzle things? < 1364763453 596506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the season for it. < 1364763487 843764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, have to put a warning on my door handle... Don't like being fooled when I'm half awake < 1364763515 39927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's endless amounts of friends will be trying to fool him < 1364763521 78350 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.131.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its the freenode thing... https://blog.freenode.net/2013/03/insert-witty-title-here < 1364763540 262212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually probably just the family at that point < 1364763581 158257 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal doesn't have any friends, remember? < 1364763586 401723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with cars is that they aren't scary enough < 1364763600 193727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I do, only a handful though < 1364763605 921792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they kill over a million people per year, but they aren't scary like sharks and lightning strikes and terrorists < 1364763618 294026 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vending machines kill more than sharks < 1364763619 833501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also that there are no good alternatives unless you live in a city < 1364763625 482959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Are there multiple "level 1"s? Because my second channel topic said ":Congratulations, welcome to level 2, [a different clue here]". < 1364763631 548903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a p. good reason to live in a city < 1364763642 727290 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Hexham has decent trains and buses < 1364763650 500056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: law whereby cars are required to look really evil < 1364763651 743258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, for example, it would take almost 1.5 hours for me to go to work by bus. 20 minutes by car. < 1364763652 431235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make scary noises < 1364763662 19948 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is small enough you can walk right through it in half an hour < 1364763663 722522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sure, so does the city I work in < 1364763675 875870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, but I live in a small town outside, just 20 000 inhabitants < 1364763676 70042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well another option is a taxi: a car driven by a professional driver, rather than by some random sleep deprived drunk asshole < 1364763677 748688 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has less than 12000 people < 1364763682 504408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however those are usually prohibitively expensive < 1364763688 78823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, crazy expensive though < 1364763689 961607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364763703 143224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't claim there should be no cars anywhere ever, but our cost:benefit calculation is way off < 1364763723 738805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can drive legally, and do it maybe once or twice a year, which might mean something w.r.t. the cost/benefit of doing the not-that-cheap driving schools and whatnot. < 1364763743 61750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the things in the USA is that the Republican party basically never wins any major city, so whenever Republicans are in power, or even in a position to obstruct things (which is basically always), there is no spending on non-car modes of transport < 1364763747 806574 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also I would never drive drunk. I'm a teetotaler, so I'm never drunk anyway. And I make sure to go to bed early if I need to drive (rather than traveling with someone else in the family who is also going to work at the same time that day. < 1364763758 779649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in deeply deeply Republican states, Democrats win the cities < 1364763761 254708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I know you won't < 1364763769 674272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is that other people will, and your safety depends on what they do too < 1364763774 215914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1364763777 902392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly kmc < 1364763782 442395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the perfect utopia of sweden there is no crime < 1364763783 533714 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.invinsibleforce.com/ Behold. < 1364763788 48438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also people who are not drunk OR tired, yet are still idiots < 1364763810 200654 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The next coming of Time Cube" -- a giant ant who speaks to me in dreams < 1364763814 630526 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.131.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've no idea... I just looked at it now < 1364763852 232950 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the fuck... The same guy? < 1364763859 802761 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1364763864 461531 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he died of cancer or something < 1364763868 46889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to do something dangerous every day and stay safe and vigilant -- many professions involve this -- but that's not how most people approach driving < 1364763893 71919 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, lunatic or someone making fun of the time cube guy? < 1364763896 638557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Well, uh; I went to the brainfuck-output channel, where the topic was "Welcome to level 1 of one of our quizzes, good luck. Staff won't answer your questions :) [clue]", and followed that to the place which says that thing about level 2. < 1364763898 720855 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a loonie. < 1364763903 710619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364763926 225155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the design is actually slightly less terrible than the time cube guy < 1364763941 319741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by much though < 1364763972 631682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's also another channel if you rot13 the other channel name it has < 1364763972 909824 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you thinking here... That a banana can't exist forever... thats right. < 1364763975 712597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the post < 1364763975 907377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are you talking about < 1364763990 933478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Its the freenode thing... https://blog.freenode.net/2013/03/insert-witty-title-here < 1364764002 36145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but I thought that was just some of their social channel. < 1364764006 407572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name sounded kinda familiar. < 1364764012 771598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it has anothe thing about levels in the topic. < 1364764013 975619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing < 1364764037 102514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. Perhaps they have two branches. < 1364764040 168044 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volume 6 is probably my least favourite Homestuck album < 1364764041 169745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I like the captcha I got on that comment form on the page; "Having fuuuun" < 1364764051 360583 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like most of the songs < 1364764064 135220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just Game Bro and I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing < 1364764140 909700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seems like there's a third "level 1" too, from the textual clue. < 1364764146 114859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Oz one. < 1364764174 430129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I can be bothered, I just felt that as a #esoteric member of good standing I had to run the brainfuck bit. < 1364764392 472306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how Rijndael's key schedule stacks up against other PRNGs with only 128 bits of state < 1364764410 163315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether, given hardware acceleration, it might be worth using in e.g. Monte Carlo simulations < 1364764452 627620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Good job! Level 1 completed. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364764458 883519 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1364764461 263399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1364764539 403327 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-44.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364764552 769949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That'll make everyone joining hastily read through the entire channel logs in search of a clue. < 1364764760 352775 :Extreme!~Extreme@unaffiliated/extreme JOIN :#esoteric < 1364764766 691094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll mode engaged < 1364764819 678158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Extreme < 1364764821 703401 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTREME: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1364764826 859623 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it makes a good hash, right? < 1364764835 871941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I added some more details on the key schedule and stuff: https://github.com/kmcallister/aesni-examples/commit/060c39b4a2dc8936416632e86d4ba1ee101fdb5c < 1364764838 397271 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd figure it must have pretty okay randomness properties < 1364764839 752754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i don't know < 1364764852 273695 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364764852 468667 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364764860 83172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oh. you just mean the key schedule, not the encryption itself? < 1364764863 834740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noooo idea then < 1364764891 99247 :Extreme!~Extreme@unaffiliated/extreme PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic says Level 1 completed. Level 1 of what? :S < 1364764911 929728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some pretty simple linear relationships between words of consecutive round keys < 1364764912 459384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 1 of Esoteric, of course < 1364764916 445784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's probably not good for a PRNG < 1364764920 139414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a non-cryptographic one < 1364764945 674716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also GitHub is doing something where the font gets huge when I resize the window < 1364764948 736258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else see that? < 1364764949 131231 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364764953 127036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've had that too < 1364764976 345325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking hipsters, I bet it looks fine on a Retina MacBook < 1364765020 439279 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also curiously it looks like aeskeygenassist is a good bit slower than aesenc on sandy bridge < 1364765027 229882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's apparently fast on bulldozer (?) strange < 1364765034 83929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1364765047 846097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense that they wouldn't optimize it as much, I guess < 1364765069 350545 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aesenc/dec is 8/4 with 2 uops, aesimc is 2/2 with 2 uops, aeskeygenassist is 8/8 with 11 uops (!) < 1364765074 934835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION figures the last is microcoded < 1364765086 918466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these numbers e.g. 8/4? < 1364765092 543839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry! < 1364765096 227854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :latency/inversethroughput < 1364765097 232379 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, have you seen 0x10c? < 1364765099 885902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364765105 582826 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notch thing? < 1364765115 712688 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the same chip, like, for reference < 1364765119 779494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in units of the processor clock ticks? < 1364765122 121354 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364765133 468888 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply: 3/1, add/bitmath: 1/0.33, simd multiply: 5/1, floating point add 3/1 < 1364765140 600066 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a game Notch was making, but all that's happened is specs for a CPU and a simple character creator have emerged < 1364765166 517069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like an AESENC finishes in 8 ticks, and you can retire one every 4 ticks? < 1364765202 379559 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the CPU has ended up with a kinda big community? < 1364765221 851063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an integer addition takes one tick and you can do 3 of them at once? < 1364765257 422568 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yup < 1364765269 542540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :throughput is "how many can you do every clock if you run a bunch of independent instructions" < 1364765275 690464 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :latency is "how many can you do per clock if each one depends on the last" < 1364765279 213238 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, inverse of that < 1364765283 287544 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 / that) < 1364765310 916388 :Extreme!~Extreme@unaffiliated/extreme PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364765430 565211 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364765472 26720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a good time to admit i had no idea what i was putting into the topic when i did so < 1364765483 10727 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1364765494 932700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a lie then we fight on that lie < 1364765503 414269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess for this throughput is probably the main thing that matters < 1364765528 315838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I should have defined the notation before using it -_- < 1364765540 783272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense now :) < 1364765705 828585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a book published in early 2003 about web standards < 1364765730 645654 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all like "Most browsers don't support this yet, but IE 6 does! So does Mozilla!" < 1364765744 49095 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned HTML from one of those. < 1364765745 256360 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :

Web Standards Committee

< 1364765771 256591 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1364765785 880097 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also like, throughput is actually sort of a derived value of three things, the number of uops, which pipes it can use, and how often those pipes can issue < 1364765801 858140 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things use one uop (or maybe two, like a load-execute instruction) so that's usually pretty simple < 1364765819 94445 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most uops can issue every cycle (looks like AES is an exception though...) < 1364765823 881830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1364765830 609584 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for most things it's just "which pipes can it use" < 1364765845 972292 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can become an issue if you write a function that uses, say, almost only pipe-0 instructions < 1364765858 410415 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it goes slow because it mostly can only issue one instruction per cycl < 1364765861 233704 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cycle < 1364765876 904830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other pipes kind of sit around and play card games < 1364765885 434029 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHTML 2 never really happened, did it < 1364765895 321496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: cpu-accelerated solitaire < 1364765901 159500 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if I'm rambling <.< < 1364765905 707780 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzruecgvfcgwfbbx QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364765911 301214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all :) < 1364765925 339137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there a simple chart of which instructions use which pipes? < 1364765941 320118 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ywfkezpoukpjgole QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364765946 841988 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish XHTML happened .__. < 1364765947 969775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume there are lots of functional units for simple integer and floating point stuff, and fewer for rarer things? < 1364765956 14449 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid HTML5 hipsters ruining the syntax < 1364765969 278926 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new features are OK but the original syntax of HTML full of irregularities is awful. < 1364766015 718349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.agner.org/optimize/instruction_tables.pdf has everything but there's a few very simple pattrens, and I think intel/AMD documents often have diagrams of which units go with which pipe < 1364766135 370376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, SIMD-wise, I think on sandy bridge shuffles are p0 or p5, adds/simple arithmetic is p0/p5, bit ops go in all three (p0,p1,p5), multiply is p1, shifts are p1, float arith is p1, float mult is p0... < 1364766153 487839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some silly historical reason 0, 1, and 5 are the ALU pipes, and 2/3/4 are load/store <.< < 1364766186 318268 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a big design thing though, I think, like often on a new chip they'll be like "okay, we're going to budget this by having just one shuffle unit, and we're duplicate the float FMA unit, and..." < 1364766233 789907 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since "pipes 0 and 5 do shuffles" is kinda the same thing as "there's a shuffle unit stuffed into pipes 0 and 5" < 1364766293 46039 :slidercrank!~tehnik@unaffiliated/slidercrank JOIN :#esoteric < 1364766330 126325 :slidercrank!~tehnik@unaffiliated/slidercrank PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364766409 77567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we may be attracting people with this topic < 1364766415 612509 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry .__. < 1364766446 153384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1364766467 492076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was sarcasm right? :<) < 1364766481 180428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I meant < 1364766482 837837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /topic < 1364766483 338221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott was talking about the /topic < 1364766486 248275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think i'm the one who is supposed to be sorry < 1364766487 717593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with people randomly joining and leaving < 1364766488 872808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we should totally add some bogus nonsense clue to the topic! < 1364766499 402992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu stuff is interesting!! < 1364766501 235009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : kernel:[437469.828794] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s! [cc1:4193] < 1364766506 598780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should figure out why this keeps happening < 1364766513 775380 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting but I kill the chat whenever I mention it... ._. < 1364766519 250205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've only seen two plausible victims so far < 1364766521 756383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's really true < 1364766534 797670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if madbr is around < 1364766546 851798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, what are you saying kills the chat? < 1364766558 772711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's something a lot of us find interesting < 1364766565 966457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to build a CPU out of relays some day < 1364766569 936727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to see how fucking loud it is < 1364766570 335545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well I don't really know anything about cpus < 1364766576 545820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't really say anything of value while it is going on < 1364766579 72532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do read it < 1364766581 759947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh CPU talk < 1364766593 382288 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and slow < 1364766603 960834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean probably if you didn't talk about it the channel would just be silent, it's not like it's always active < 1364766613 6044 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364766620 611779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much power it draws :) < 1364766621 157434 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, CPU and motherboard issues are always fun < 1364766624 557931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: as long as no one has actual esolang matters to discuss, your subject cannot possibly be a problem. < 1364766656 673651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, like I need to reload the emu10k1 driver every now and then in this computer. On my old computer that card worked just fine < 1364766660 345005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :here though, nope < 1364766679 849099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fireworks-based computing < 1364766680 815745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "unhandled interrupt 17, disabling" after a day or so in dmesg < 1364766684 62281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Seems more interesting than esolang discussions, anyway. < 1364766691 390949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't care about esolangs anymore. < 1364766694 350510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have I ever?) < 1364766741 293304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I did at one point. < 1364766820 813407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, why are you still here then < 1364766826 197649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, right < 1364766830 63884 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ancient curse. < 1364766840 456058 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :binding him to this wretched place < 1364766843 938900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's just not much of a discussion if nobody responds <_> < 1364766845 398269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly my thoughts < 1364766859 94719 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 TOPIC #esoteric :Good job! Level 2 completed. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364766875 80448 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monoscussion < 1364766914 772226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does discussion stand for diagonal scussion < 1364766929 433311 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364766992 353299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal monologue < 1364767072 493214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonalogue < 1364767122 675256 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels kind of uncomfortable to just talk into the air if you know what I mean < 1364767142 605600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Good job! Level 2 completed. | H4sIAIuxWFECAzO2VDA1UDA0V0g2Vki0ULAwUUgDctMUjNNAZIqRgoG5QqohCBkZKqSZcgEACFgDWjAAAAA= | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364767175 44060 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is evil < 1364767193 232435 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it represent? < 1364767196 850084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what does it decode to < 1364767200 778553 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just a hash of some nonsense < 1364767203 277659 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is MIME isn't it < 1364767207 917016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the = at the end < 1364767210 768405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like base-64 < 1364767212 720474 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yeah, but at least know it's interesting to read. < 1364767214 310204 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or base64 < 1364767214 990199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364767218 306495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's base64 of gzip of some ascii hex digits that don't mean anything < 1364767259 130047 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, niice < 1364767268 30599 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god. what if... < 1364767273 64333 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 TOPIC #esoteric :Good job! Level 7 completed. | H4sIAIuxWFECAzO2VDA1UDA0V0g2Vki0ULAwUUgDctMUjNNAZIqRgoG5QqohCBkZKqSZcgEACFgDWjAAAAA= | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364767284 390943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1364767286 707021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1364767292 20974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364767295 907560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just keep the number reasonably low < 1364767330 886202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I presume the actual channels are set +s? < 1364767335 875275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1364767346 626751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you probably know that then < 1364767353 691964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you presume you make a
 out of u and me
< 1364767371 532674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I use markdown instead
< 1364767615 876217 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1364767684 70724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Good job! Level 7 completed. | H4sIAJ+zWFEAAzMxNDcwNzKzNEs2MjAxM0sDwmQjQwDmE3ufFgAAAA== | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
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< 1364767761 331254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought a more meaningful clue was in order.
< 1364767804 8398 :bashful!~bashful@180.245.130.75 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1364767830 489997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not the best timing
< 1364767976 590291 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1364768085 651111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Good job! Level 7 completed. | H4sIADG1WFEAAzMxVDA3UDA3UjCzVDBLVjAyUDAxUzBLAyMg1xAAAdFVNCAAAAA= | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
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< 1364768191 461705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just added spaces between the hex digits)
< 1364768273 632643 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364768334 160999 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm installing Trine 2
< 1364768335 854966 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1364768395 604116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This server is in a different timezone, but still not April Fool day.
< 1364768427 531825 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-117-149.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't change the fact I'm install Trine 2
< 1364768435 288096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1364768442 557508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well it is here.
< 1364768451 460212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1364768474 428069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think mentioning it counts as a spoiler, not that you were the first.
< 1364768492 16863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy oerjan's a fool day
< 1364768504 303170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's every day, elliott.  sheesh.
< 1364768553 998473 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that means it's this day too.
< 1364768597 600278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: so bulldozer has AES-NI?
< 1364768684 843311 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think so, agner lists the instruction at least
< 1364768688 360286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinions of my changes to Magic: the Gathering?
< 1364768695 992990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has AVX too (but only 128-bit execution units)
< 1364768761 460212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean that 256-bit instructions have half the throughput?
< 1364768859 348816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think so, since it just splits them into two halves
< 1364768873 297095 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same thing the athlon 64 and core 1 and some other CPUs with 64-bit SSE units used to do
< 1364768889 848904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i didn't know that they had only 64-bit SSE units
< 1364768890 709954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks
< 1364768890 904637 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dvqoetgywogxuxeg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364768902 494593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life must be hard for authors of compilers and optimized cores for things
< 1364768915 509034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know not just what instructions are supported but whether they're actually fast or not
< 1364768932 503419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its not the end of the world, really?  it just means sse won't be faster than mmx in most cases
< 1364768935 827237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it'll be horridly slow
< 1364768937 210987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I imagine one SSE instruction would still be a bit faster than two MMX instructions in many cases
< 1364768940 9586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1364768949 618180 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you get twice the register room ^^
< 1364768985 938810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but performance characteristics can totally vary wildly between CPUs
< 1364768988 427328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suggest that a function is allowed to have a designation of what it is equivalent to (or is a subset of); this might help a bit, to allow compiler to do such thing if there are instructions for BCD arithmetic, and so on.
< 1364768991 476511 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.131.109 QUIT :Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com
< 1364769046 450717 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if I remember right, the original core 2 had a 64-bit shuffle unit, so SSE shuffles were slower and longer latency
< 1364769116 319868 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, so like, an interesting thing about that was
< 1364769127 421683 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pshufb, which shuffles one register arbitrarily, was 2/2
< 1364769137 886258 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the punpck instructions, which interleave /two/ registers, were 4/2
< 1364769172 364424 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could see how they had to add more latency because it had to combine two 128-bit registers through a 64-bit unit I think
< 1364769185 536756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1364769195 350764 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea about the actual internals, but, it kind of feels like the numbers say something? <.<
< 1364769197 516942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, what does it shuffle? bits or bytes?
< 1364769231 268973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytes, I don't think there's any bit shuffle instruction :<
< 1364769238 126546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I get the feeling they keep adding crazy instructions that very few will use for several years
< 1364769253 677915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be years before an instruction that is introduced today is widely used.
< 1364769262 725474 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is it a selling argument at all
< 1364769266 753210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for windows users
< 1364769274 303734 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you kind of have to add them at some point?
< 1364769278 238454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1364769287 355346 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um, why would windows be a problem
< 1364769289 374949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when they add AES instructions for example, there's only a few crypto libraries on your system (hopefully)
< 1364769289 568625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they use it as a selling argument a lot of the time it feels like
< 1364769316 730487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, because end users can't usually recompile the software to take advantage of the new features
< 1364769316 925852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there was a pretty big push by Intel back in the day to get people to use MMX, since it was supposed to be a big thing differentiating them from AMD and Cyrix
< 1364769326 159882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compilers don't use simd instructions anyways really...
< 1364769333 741895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most people run binary linux distros
< 1364769346 30824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they overcomplicated it
< 1364769351 783475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly I would expect high end games to utilize practically every instruction supported by any existing chip
< 1364769352 614194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, gcc does for float and double on x86-64, but that is it
< 1364769353 648026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even removed some things
< 1364769357 169235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in the era when CPU performance ruled
< 1364769377 245981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as BCD arithmetic is not use in 64-bits mode; and I would use that more.
< 1364769379 573729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think autovectorization is limited to floating point but...
< 1364769386 778118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, well okay
< 1364769395 137554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, but that doesn't happen to such a large degree
< 1364769401 245969 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like, where they use SSE for scalar math (instead of x87)?
< 1364769401 440174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well SSE is also the standard FPU on x86_64, even if it's not autovectorized
< 1364769405 956484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, yes
< 1364769407 257072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't want to use something that is only Intel or only AMD since it is better using the instruction compatible with all of them, instead.
< 1364769412 599726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of different though, that's scalar stuff
< 1364769418 383308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1364769421 876024 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1364769429 828089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, it is still the most widespread use of the SSE registers
< 1364769450 726936 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I guess...
< 1364769457 751221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because auto-vectorization doesn't happen all that much on most code I turned on the debug output on it for
< 1364769464 268517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even with icc
< 1364769491 360766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a couple of years ago though
< 1364769496 204728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so things could have changed
< 1364769538 861848 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364769585 482020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever happened to 3DNow btw?
< 1364769601 342454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it fail
< 1364769622 317696 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was largely obsoleted by SSE
< 1364769631 508200 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it was useful at the time, since there was no simd float stuff
< 1364769649 510402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also added 'pavgusb' before intel added 'pavgb' in iSSE apparently
< 1364769722 664398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iSSE?
< 1364769733 197156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does 'pavgb' do
< 1364769810 166818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iSSE is I think a term for the integer instructions added in SSE (which were actually for MMX registers)
< 1364769814 478736 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a+b+1)>>1
< 1364769821 405379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1364769848 6058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, didn't 3DNow or the extended version of it have instructions for matrix multiplication too?
< 1364769850 11558 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1364769901 533389 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I've literally never used it >_<
< 1364769955 636269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1364769966 355820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, why do you code asm anyway?
< 1364769968 562268 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364769976 704142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel should send you a merit badge if you manage to use every instruction in one program
< 1364770097 621188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm  because it's (part of) my job and because it's really fun
< 1364770100 326262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've asked this before, but don't remember any answer.
< 1364770107 566034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is learning ASM the best way to learn about CPUs?
< 1364770117 669543 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there is like, this amazing feeling of satisfaction when I find a way to use a seemingly useless, pointless instruction
< 1364770123 895098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dumb but    
< 1364770132 955127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that depends what you mean by "learn about CPUs"
< 1364770135 969468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am like "yeeeeesssss I found a way to use this useless thing"
< 1364770149 256686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't teach you that much about how CPUs are implemented internally, although it's a necessary prerequisite
< 1364770149 451655 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall someone stating that asm was following old CPUs' logic, and wasn't close to modern CPUs?
< 1364770171 851507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I really strongly recommend MIT's course 6.004, in which you design a simple RISC CPU at the logic gate level, as well as write some programs for it
< 1364770182 17642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find the materials online
< 1364770191 152183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the simulator program which is really fun to play with
< 1364770202 901533 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that's on OpenCourseWare?
< 1364770212 147959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if the bit on OCW specifically is the useful bit
< 1364770217 451765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just google mit 6.004
< 1364770225 209161 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, for learning how CPUs actually work an architecture course that covers something like the classic risc pipeline and stuf fmight be a better start
< 1364770235 537937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : umm  because it's (part of) my job and because it's really fun <-- what is your job?
< 1364770268 905283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://6004.mit.edu/
< 1364770298 935795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora's job is teaching #esoteric
< 1364770301 519968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think OCW has kind of "packaged" versions of courses, that are often a few years old, but you can also just find the website that the current students use, and it's usually accessible
< 1364770305 844835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a good teacher ._.
< 1364770317 120744 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not well paid for your job, though, so it works out.
< 1364770324 11561 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~_~
< 1364770349 462464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: yeah I would agree with that.  certainly the instruction set is just another abstract language and doesn't correspond directly to what's happening at the physical level
< 1364770351 164590 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(your #esoteric job i mean, not that "side thing" you do "in the real world")
< 1364770359 651302 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um, if you're asking like "why asm", that's kind of the only real way to write SIMD code, so...
< 1364770366 633020 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in which i assume you make loadsamoney)
< 1364770371 112578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hides details like caching, virtual memory, out of order execution, register renaming, branch prediction, etc.
< 1364770376 620639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that one computing course with a "from X to Y"-style name that went from reasonably low to reasonably high. Or maybe it's just that? 
< 1364770394 4462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, I'm asking "why manual SIMD writing"
< 1364770401 913523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ty
< 1364770402 933154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: some CPUs like the Transmeta Crusoe actually compile the machine code to a totally different internal architecture before executing it
< 1364770428 581689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people use that as an analogy for current Intel / AMD processors as well
< 1364770431 98488 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, are you implementing codecs? Compilers?
< 1364770438 184150 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do some people program directly in that totally different internal architecture?
< 1364770439 132893 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone ever use crusoe
< 1364770440 72658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, that is the level I'm curious on
< 1364770446 706268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while it's not really accurate, it's less likely to lead you astray than pretending that each instruction is executed directly on some hardware
< 1364770453 922795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Transmeta engineers did
< 1364770461 130511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never released the specs but it's been reverse engineered to some degree
< 1364770462 935621 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else?
< 1364770467 469338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will decline to answer that question <.<
< 1364770468 897421 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr wrong question
< 1364770506 897844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora works at Transmeta. this is because Fiora is literally past Linus Torvalds.
< 1364770513 377883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tinfoil hat
< 1364770534 431132 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :torvalds is surprisingly into touhou
< 1364770541 872695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i brought it up in another channel and a few people said they'd owned machines with crusoe processors
< 1364770564 33899 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, huh. i thought it never got used much, i never would have heard of it if not for linux
< 1364770585 982776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta_Crusoe#Products
< 1364770602 654013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1364770606 50030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, oh well
< 1364770608 76656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the OQO used it
< 1364770611 956696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if those are cheap yet
< 1364770618 171190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're kind of cute
< 1364770640 792345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the ebay
< 1364770701 131504 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell, a tablet in 1990
< 1364770701 562354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like so :)
< 1364770726 747968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrary to popular belief, Apple did not invent the idea of a smartphone or a tablet
< 1364770729 779140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1364770731 403003 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes.
< 1364770741 718722 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read an entire book on the PARC laptop once, thankyouverymuch
< 1364770776 888678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION owned a Windows smartphone in 2006... it was painfully bad
< 1364770816 17045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the innovation of the iPhone wasn't apps (took them a year to add that) or good data connectivity (same) but just that it had a web browser that  wasn't awful
< 1364770843 101880 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that's how the bolsheviks took over russia as well
< 1364770846 341417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1364770858 933266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a web browser that wasn't awful?
< 1364770862 480543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time the iPhone came out, i had a Nokia N800
< 1364770871 928350 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. the left SRs browser was a notoriously awful netscape sclone
< 1364770873 50963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also had a browser approaching non-awful
< 1364770878 267673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't a phone
< 1364770885 94981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, lol
< 1364770901 538920 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kulaks mainly stuck with IE and so were rightfully put to death by the cheka
< 1364770909 3894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1364770924 499119 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, this is so going into the quotes list
< 1364770943 411404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I remembered the command
< 1364770945 460466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1364770960 338105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do it
< 1364770972 678829 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you know some of the bolshevik newspapers were crazy
< 1364770975 188838 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritsky, Zinovief and Volodarski, let there be floods of the blood of the bourgeois - more blood, as much as possible."
< 1364770980 942173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that  it had a web browser that  wasn't awful
< 1364770981 439629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, thanks
< 1364770984 262821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1364770984 593983 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1003)  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that  it had a web browser that  wasn't awful
< 1364770986 71349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't mean to
< 1364770988 738884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 1003
< 1364770993 474610 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that  it had a web browser that  wasn't awful
< 1364771009 866011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that  it had a web browser that wasn't awful   i believe that's how the bolsheviks took over russia as well   the kulaks mainly stuck with IE and so were rightfully put to death by the cheka
< 1364771012 526229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I like to think you remember that off the top of your head
< 1364771013 679131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1003)  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that  it had a web browser that wasn't awful   i believe that's how the bolsheviks took over russia as well   the kulaks mainly stuck with IE and so were rightfully put to death by the cheka
< 1364771019 230784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do I fix my own space-typo
< 1364771021 431108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 1003
< 1364771025 987253 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that  it had a web browser that wasn't awful   i believe that's how the bolsheviks took over russia as well   the kulaks mainly stuck with IE and so were rightfully put to death by the cheka
< 1364771030 706362 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i also have rosseau's speeches memorized
< 1364771037 51950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that it had a web browser that wasn't awful   i believe that's how the bolsheviks took over russia as well   the kulaks mainly stuck with IE and so were rightfully put to death by the cheka
< 1364771040 657522 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1003)  the innovation of the iPhone was... just that it had a web browser that wasn't awful   i believe that's how the bolsheviks took over russia as well   the kulaks mainly stuck with IE and so were rightfully put to death by the cheka
< 1364771046 710546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'm not even sure I remember who that is
< 1364771055 794928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1364771067 954599 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant Robespierre.
< 1364771074 448237 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1364771087 295666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true? That you have them memorized?
< 1364771093 238424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did lenin die anyway
< 1364771114 928518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When already sick, Lenin remembered that, since 1917, he had only rested twice"
< 1364771122 72586 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364771123 705646 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He ot partly assassinated like a dozen times and then got sick, I think.
< 1364771138 766994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had like 3 strokes and maybe syphillis
< 1364771140 255252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly assassinated
< 1364771143 608770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like his ears got assassinated
< 1364771150 937501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then his arms
< 1364771157 246494 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, his jaw got fucked up and such
< 1364771183 300236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they assassinated... his MIND
< 1364771193 350223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your mind is the scene of the crime
< 1364771223 689900 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: p. sure that's what some orthodox marxists actually believe
< 1364771234 805009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orthomarxists
< 1364771254 938171 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically marxism doesn't form a basis unless you include... i don't know where i'm going here
< 1364771280 574734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate a super greasy meal and now there is grease all over my hands and computers #fail
< 1364771286 817650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do marxists believe in the axiom of choice
< 1364771330 101117 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because the space of capitalism doesn't form a basis, or something
< 1364771386 560081 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1364771412 869778 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364771413 448459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no kmc has been overcome with the twitter
< 1364771455 207855 :ggherdov!~gghh@vau06-2-82-238-188-31.fbx.proxad.net PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1364771563 901676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't people wave their hats anymore
< 1364771568 239123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't people wear hats anymore
< 1364771571 122981 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cofault.com/2010/01/hunt-for-addictive-monster.html oh, axiom of choice
< 1364771581 106198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote axiom.of.choice
< 1364771581 303623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Sorry about this, I know it's a bit silly.
< 1364771584 630567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1364771590 122653 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.131.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364771595 9398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1'(
< 1364771599 30689 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote axiom
< 1364771599 497661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it?
< 1364771617 282859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: No, that's your mind.
< 1364771624 357482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And electro-shock means "the time we lost all the quotes" hth.
< 1364771627 147771 :Vacation9!~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364771627 342516 :fwilson|solving!~fox-wilso@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364771650 667373 :Vacation9!~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9 PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1364771668 873602 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1364771703 113027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you know the puzzle with the two periodic functions whose sum is the identity function
< 1364771711 135288 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of it.
< 1364771834 791204 :Vacation9!~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364771835 123590 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = sin(x), g(x) = 1-sin(x)
< 1364771836 645318 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solved hth
< 1364771867 401209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) + g(x) = 1
< 1364771884 946645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very the identity
< 1364771898 240202 :Vacation9!~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9 PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1364771913 720474 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1364771915 72058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how people seriously think this is the channel
< 1364771917 273066 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-sin and sin. but I remember the puzzle being more interesting. I think one of the periods was in a different direction?
< 1364771920 577723 :fwilson|solving!~fox-wilso@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolyup
< 1364771941 569450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "this is the channel"?
< 1364771941 998739 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. these people actually think this is... wow.
< 1364771943 560342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys I'm pretty sure freenode knows better than to let the channels show up in /list.
< 1364771948 48372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: x-sin(x) isn't periodic
< 1364771949 168707 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for the freenode thing
< 1364771955 699604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that.
< 1364771965 11307 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oh yeah, it's not.
< 1364771977 88619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why don't people wear hats anymore <-- http://choosemyhat.com/
< 1364771997 122897 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are gonna be some wacky functions aren't they
< 1364772007 241700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose my hat, choose my hat, ... wow I fail at songs
< 1364772013 292640 :fwilson|solving!~fox-wilso@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured it out!
< 1364772014 789415 :fwilson|solving!~fox-wilso@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson PRIVMSG #esoteric :�1XQ�31T07P07R0T0KV02P01S0K# �U4 ���
< 1364772023 146417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You figured it out.
< 1364772026 746261 :fwilson|solving!~fox-wilso@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1364772028 937991 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh how is this even possible,
< 1364772049 952293 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's periodic it can't be increasing, can it...? hm
< 1364772059 336948 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f has period m, and g has period n, then f+g has period mn, doesn't it
< 1364772071 707998 :fwilson|solving!~fox-wilso@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1364772074 259752 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the next step of the puzzle fwilson|solving. You need to help us with this, and we'll tell you which channel is next.
< 1364772077 259208 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1364772085 50322 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW YOU'LL NEVER FIND THE TREASURE
< 1364772089 675284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you look like someone I know IRL
< 1364772097 616531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're ot going to be continuous functions
< 1364772101 336546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1364772114 63634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all functions are continuous
< 1364772119 693206 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1364772122 114058 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go back to your hole, elliott.
< 1364772141 495843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's a constructivist sort of thing to say... But you don't seem very constructive to me!
< 1364772149 963163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that you're not helping)
< 1364772150 770698 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe if one of the functions takes on all values within an interval
< 1364772153 224555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves a little sign saying "EXCLUDE THE MIDDLE"
< 1364772157 608660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I mean...
< 1364772160 766499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't exclude the middle.
< 1364772161 985312 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monster function took on all values within /any/ interval but that's probably not necessary
< 1364772164 785405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't not include the middle.
< 1364772164 980190 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TRAITOR
< 1364772215 448561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys what stupid thing should i do to the wiki for stupid day
< 1364772242 391364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could surprise everyone by NOT doing anything 
< 1364772251 715024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I do every day of the year
< 1364772255 50771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not really surprising
< 1364772260 164120 :Vacation9!~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364772263 177623 :Vacation9!~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9 PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1364772264 337703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is surprising on the stupid day though
< 1364772281 319476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the ideal april fools requires me to code PHP and is now over a year late
< 1364772294 562264 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :body { -webkit-transform: rotate(0.2deg); }
< 1364772296 232422 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1364772298 236551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what would that have been?
< 1364772311 117378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: I already flipped the wiki layout (but not the text) last april 1
< 1364772313 407958 :Ojel!521c6fa4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.28.111.164 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364772316 702544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's secret, obviously
< 1364772316 898006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could make it play nyancat automatically in the background
< 1364772324 37322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if anyone really wants to know then /msg me
< 1364772325 566956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no
< 1364772326 561414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tune I mean
< 1364772331 728801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not?
< 1364772340 524521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll just feature deadfish for a start.
< 1364772343 713528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi
< 1364772346 544504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh
< 1364772348 577127 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feature a bf derivative?
< 1364772354 217274 :_Paul!~Paul@p5DE8B410.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364772369 657496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: no, deadfish
< 1364772377 715399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I messaged you as you said
< 1364772385 529524 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364772411 337917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if f has period m, and g has period n, then f+g has period mn, doesn't it <-- not unless m and n are integers, in which case lcm(m,n) also works.  in fact i'm pretty sure this puzzle requires there to be no common period, i.e. m/n irrational.
< 1364772438 617834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ojel: _Paul: conehead: I suspect you all of being terrible at puzzles
< 1364772446 436661 :Ojel!521c6fa4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.28.111.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1364772455 364597 :Ojel!521c6fa4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.28.111.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am :(
< 1364772467 16319 :_Paul!~Paul@p5DE8B410.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup..
< 1364772482 195523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1364772485 529541 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Ojel ..
< 1364772487 543272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :body { text-transform: capitalize; }
< 1364772488 372010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so funny
< 1364772498 628313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean what I think you mean?
< 1364772501 829355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright y'all, ready for the next stage of the puzzle?
< 1364772503 191985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi :P
< 1364772506 140027 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably going to stay here though; didn't realize there was a channel for esoteric langs
< 1364772506 334453 :Ojel!521c6fa4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.28.111.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuck on The main character, a kid, in this classic music video was mocked for being ‘this’. | Hint: s/classic/old/ | The this in quotes is the answer we are looking for. | The answer is not in the lyrics of the song.]
< 1364772513 977453 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy. Just name a pair of periodic functions that sum to the identity function.
< 1364772521 500593 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So easy. Here's a hint: monoids.
< 1364772522 147501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike++
< 1364772532 173587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, oh yeah, of course
< 1364772538 880327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't I think of that
< 1364772569 904822 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The periods will probably be incommenurable, like oerjan said.
< 1364772582 907974 :Ojel!521c6fa4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.28.111.164 PART :#esoteric
< 1364772583 899753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should mislead you all a bit
< 1364772590 451362 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ojel
< 1364772591 699146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw in a few red herrings
< 1364772601 566023 :_Paul!~Paul@p5DE8B410.dip.t-dialin.net PART #esoteric :"leaving"
< 1364772606 95660 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ojel's too chicken to continue the puzzle.
< 1364772609 121968 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's up to you, conehead.
< 1364772679 703303 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha
< 1364772763 742904 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb getting to that haskell section on monoids to solve your fake hint
< 1364772795 558385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How on earth do people even end up on #esoteric on the first place? (Some spamming on the actual puzzle channels?)
< 1364772797 752979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead, oh, you realized we were trolling ;P
< 1364772807 712548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /list?
< 1364772817 877623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then referrals
< 1364772821 403888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be just a /list.
< 1364772832 810079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I suppose any of the others are non-+s.
< 1364772833 984690 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how Ojel got to this channel; I'll ask him
< 1364772846 40598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead, the real hint is in the topic
< 1364772854 390956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that random-looking string? yeah
< 1364772876 162482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AAAAA="
< 1364772877 295429 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so this is part of a legitimate track?
< 1364772884 772340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead, nope
< 1364772888 445670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see oerjan's handiwork
< 1364772890 798745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead, but it is fun trolling people
< 1364772893 786408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead: yes it is
< 1364772896 911355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore Vorpal
< 1364772898 263037 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao
< 1364772900 331170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick Vorpal for lying
< 1364772903 991368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore both elliott and Vorpal
< 1364772904 185677 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1364772918 102760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this has nothing to do with the puzzle -- it'll just make your life better)
< 1364772931 560280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that is actually true
< 1364772946 647229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, in fact, ignoring most people will make your life better
< 1364772971 996263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about ignoring ddarius? That'll make your life worse.
< 1364772985 274094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, who on earth is that?
< 1364772991 912955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask elliott.
< 1364773006 869938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I can't. You said I should ignore him
< 1364773013 675307 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are contracting yourself
< 1364773032 247794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should ignore me too.
< 1364773045 837133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I better ignore that advice too then
< 1364773046 676069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I said it while not capitaliszing my sentence.
< 1364773053 381150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means I didn't mean it.
< 1364773063 198720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh I didn't know that rule
< 1364773083 643907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, " You should ignore me too." you did capitalize though
< 1364773106 743704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1364773124 28177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Vorpal uses xchat.
< 1364773125 703427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see.
< 1364773129 622521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so does that mean you did mean it?
< 1364773136 325722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I do use xchat yes, why?
< 1364773146 651783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you say "NICK, " instead of "NICK: "
< 1364773153 28412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1364773153 854461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1364773156 19031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should switch it to "NICK: ". There's a configuration option somewhere.
< 1364773161 11318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, why though
< 1364773163 560878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to prefix "nick;", what does that make me? 
< 1364773165 193278 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :, works just fine
< 1364773176 769995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what software had that as a default?
< 1364773177 102997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wrong.
< 1364773200 249860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you just do it because why not
< 1364773214 703270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly none. Possibly some ircII script. Possibly I was doing it manually. Not entirely certain.
< 1364773226 601877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, my compose key is broken
< 1364773228 713637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1364773233 400813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now a menu key
< 1364773234 552502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1364773237 852990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a /set completion_char ; away from irssi, though.
< 1364773255 579376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new featured language day
< 1364773261 614829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf# is this better?
< 1364773275 836056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf?
< 1364773291 209334 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaaaaaaf
< 1364773291 601018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It'd not a brainfuck derivative. I herd a rumur it was gunna. :/
< 1364773307 187485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so there is the surprise of the day for you
< 1364773310 291780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you'll find it's better
< 1364773358 248057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, it's fishy.
< 1364773393 577875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *why* is there an xkcd variant of deadfish listed
< 1364773400 386854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did that happen in xkcd
< 1364773628 83118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: btw that -webkit-transform doesn't work
< 1364773649 213946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, no, it's the other way around. For æsthetic reasons the xkcd variant, with the different letters, was created; then retroactively the comic was named after it.
< 1364773655 65545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe that's just mediawiki
< 1364773669 834578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oooh
< 1364773954 316160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "AAAAA=" <-- i did _not_ put that in on purpose mind you
< 1364773975 696724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1364773978 610339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1364774023 544116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead, you should totally decode the hint in our topic though
< 1364774108 314439 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what to make of it (assuming it is actually decodable)
< 1364774108 509864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, *why* is there an xkcd variant of deadfish listed <-- i think that was just someone trolling us, but zzo38 later gave that variant a purpose in life
< 1364774115 894501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome conehead 
< 1364774117 119365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1364774118 301307 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1364774118 518868 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13con07e10head: 08Welcome t04o th14e i06nternational 02hub for esoteric 05progra08mm06ing language design and depl07oyment! For m03or07e informati12on,10 c04heck 12out our wiki07: http10:/07/esolangs.or03g10/wiki/Main_P10age. (For t10he other 04kin03d14 o13f esoterica, try #esoteric on04 09i10rc.da10l.net.)
< 1364774152 6883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :conehead, it is decodable, just useless to you to decode. I managed it straight away when someone put it in the topic though
< 1364774159 871882 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was trivial
< 1364774203 523935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, night
< 1364774279 397704 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1364774286 179157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's trivial as long as you recognize each encoding in the path
< 1364774309 793548 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what's #elliottcable about?
< 1364774320 844224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's #esoteric about
< 1364774328 338246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fortunately, you can just use magic.
< 1364774354 458438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...there's a program for it?
< 1364774366 352279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well file might i guess
< 1364774371 311262 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: about elliott ?