00:01:04 they run with the .NET framework executable.. (mostly piped or passed as a parameter) 00:01:20 but this things are handled with the FTYPE function 00:01:30 give it a try..and you'll see 00:02:02 here a FTYPE entry: 00:02:03 WPDContextMenu.Url="%SystemRoot%\System32\rundll32.exe" "%SystemRoot%\System32\ieframe.dll",OpenURL %l 00:03:06 you see the TYPE WPDContextMenu.Url (define with ASSOC: file extension->filetypename) is handled by another program 00:03:24 the % things are vars 00:03:50 however.. it's just some smalltalk now 00:04:24 windows is so underestimated ..i must say 00:04:28 yea 00:04:42 it's even good 00:08:01 maybe one more thing: %SystemRoot%\System32\rundll32.exe with that native executable you gain access to the whole unmanaged WINAPI libs (+3rd party assembly dlls) 00:18:03 also everything you setup with FTYPE, ASSOC in the shell (user interface ;) is just handling the db-values of the REGISTRY, (cmd regedit).. it takes some tome to find your way through its structure but soon enough you will wonder how much of windows' behaviour is to be configured basically by pulling a chain or pusing another trigger 00:18:39 in that registry 00:21:46 PONG 00:23:43 help. 00:23:50 GNIP 00:28:11 i see your euhoria know no metes or bounds 00:28:15 :p 00:31:08 knows no meets or joins 00:31:28 yea 00:31:48 lattice not overdo this. 00:45:08 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:52:30 lettuce 00:52:47 semilettuce 00:58:28 Smelly Lattice 00:59:38 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:11:24 o.O 01:11:33 Sgeo.O 01:11:36 Got a spam where it pretended to be http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326473/Canadian-couple-Allen-Violet-Large-away-entire-11-2m-lottery-win.html 01:11:52 As in, there's this in the email: 01:11:53 You can verify this by visiting the our web pages below. 01:11:53 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326473/Canadian-couple-Allen-Violet-Large-away-entire-11-2m-lottery-win.html 01:12:34 i don't understand what you're saying but, daily mail :( 01:12:38 Of course, if someone actually reads the article, they'd see the email (which claims "we are 01:12:39 donating the sum of 1.million dollars to 6 lucky individual over the world") is false, but there really is an article 01:12:44 Maybe I should paste the spam somewhere 01:12:58 What's the daily mail? 01:13:03 Other than a tabloid. 01:13:03 http://pastie.org/private/2fyt7yhoncha5bluttiy1a 01:13:14 shachaf: terrible 01:14:19 -!- hagb4ked has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:14:30 #define PARENT(type, field, p) ((type *)(void *)((char *)(p) - offsetof(type, field))) 01:14:50 #define HI BIKE 01:14:56 shachaf: a xenophobic, reactionary tabloid 01:15:04 hachet 01:15:17 most recently they publicly mocked a transgender schoolteacher who then committed suicide 01:15:29 their response: to delete the article from their website and pretend it never happened 01:15:56 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:17:09 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 01:17:32 -!- heroux has joined. 01:17:42 kmc, oh wow, link 01:18:10 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/23/richard-littlejohn-lucy-meadows_n_2940090.html 01:18:10 what was the author again? littlesomething, littlebottom maybe 01:18:13 john. 01:18:49 oh, i didn't notice the 'then' 01:19:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Littlejohn#Controversy_and_criticism 01:19:09 yeah, she killed herself partly because of the article. 01:19:16 i don't know if that's established 01:19:19 anyone know what gittid(2) is for? 01:19:27 "It is regrettable that this tragic death should now be the subject of an orchestrated twitterstorm, fanned by individuals � including former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell � with agendas to pursue." 01:19:28 gettid(2)? 01:19:35 "Asian hopscotch lessons" 01:19:38 oh god Alastair Campbell 01:19:38 when did the word agenda get so politicised 01:19:53 kmc: as in "man 2 gettid" 01:19:55 all I actually know about Alastair Campbell is that Armando Iannucci really, really hates him 01:20:18 Bike: you said gittid but anywya, it gets the thread id? don't mean to be a jerk but it's what it says on the tin 01:20:38 I mean, why's that there if there's pthread_self? 01:20:49 pthread_self(3) 01:20:51 I don't know much of anything about Linux or POSIX, I guess. 01:20:52 gettid(2) 01:20:53 gittid is the system call used to implement pthread_self I expect 01:20:57 gah now I've done it 01:20:59 It says they're different, though. 01:21:01 screw you Linus Torvalds 01:21:10 what 01:21:14 I expect the userspace pthreads library keeps a mapping between them 01:21:22 " The thread ID returned by pthread_self() is not the same thing as the kernel thread ID returned by a call to get‐tid(2)" 01:21:54 libpthreads will call clone(2) and that returns a TID 01:22:41 -!- btiffin_ has joined. 01:22:50 Oh, I see that in man pthreads. 01:23:00 "Both of these are so-called 1:1 implementations, meaning that each thread maps to a kernel scheduling entity." 01:23:08 Hmm, rethinkdb used syscall(SYS_gettid) instead of pthread_self() 01:23:12 I don't remember why. 01:23:13 you should write a program that uses pthread_self() and then strace it 01:23:19 except the pthreads library might cache the value anyway 01:23:33 shachaf: does it also use clone(2) 01:24:16 It uses pthread_create(), I'm pretty sure. 01:24:39 Also, speaking of gays: http://25.media.tumblr.com/8dd3f1120a544044be9d2aa661dc6846/tumblr_mkf2olVUil1qbrf1vo1_500.jpg 01:24:51 Bike: will clicking this link give me the gay 01:25:16 -!- btiffin_ has changed nick to btiffin. 01:25:28 Quite the opposite.... maybe 01:25:48 isn't lisp slow? 01:25:55 lolololololololol 01:25:56 So slow. 01:26:02 it doesn't even have monoids 01:26:32 that means it's difficult, not slow, kmc!! 01:28:37 -!- hagb4rdoux has joined. 01:29:48 http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/pot-dealer-in-uk-gets-sentenced-to-write-10-page-essay--161750168.html 01:29:55 "“I asked the judge if I could write a balanced argument for and against cannabis, but he said that since it’s illegal, I should only write about the bad things,” said Bennett." 01:30:05 a modern galileo 01:31:15 " Speaking with various UK news outlets, he seemed rather excited about the assignment, saying he’d gotten right to work with online research." 01:31:43 Does the UK have a place to get weed from/send way too many firearms too, like the US does? 01:31:48 to* 01:35:23 you mean mexico? 01:35:53 yes. 01:36:33 i think undocumented workers in the UK are mostly from Poland, and undocumented workers in Poland are from Belarus 01:36:42 and I don't know where from in Belarus 01:36:53 but also Poland is in the EU so maybe this is bullshit? 01:38:06 in belarus they're from the uk, obviously 01:38:44 maybe north korea 01:40:29 i don't think either of those is correct 01:40:43 in belarus they use the mutants left over from chernobyl 01:41:32 oh makes sense 01:41:34 Phantom_Hoover++ 01:41:41 it's so obvious 01:42:02 http://pastebin.com/zTUppyZp i'm starting to think i need to stop reading this source 01:42:04 i have another question: on a boat, does the cabin air conditioner exchange heat with the water rather than the outside air? 01:42:23 if the water is cooler than the cabin air, then you don't even need to run the compressor! 01:42:37 but you probably will anyway, to make it go faster, and also because there's not a way to move the refridgerant around otherwise 01:42:47 somehow i doubt it 01:43:05 i think on a small boat you probably just have a window AC unit, for simplicity, but on a big boat maybe not? 01:43:06 Bike: no you need to keep reading 01:43:07 air conditioning on a boat? 01:43:15 maybe on really big cruise liners that can afford to have a whole dedicated air conditioning system 01:43:21 yes hagb4rdoux boats get hot too 01:43:27 yeah a cruise liner HVAC system must be at least as complicated as a building 01:43:34 probably a lot more 01:43:43 Fiora: "soon you will go insane and lose your ego and i can order you around as i please! MWA HA HA" -- you 01:43:58 no not really >_< 01:44:14 bike what is this code 01:44:14 like ..loveboat 01:44:29 what hath god wrought 01:44:32 "#define DIAG_DECL(decl) decl" thanks 01:44:47 kmc: it puts all the used registers in an array obviously 01:44:48 #unnecessarypreprocessordirectives 01:44:55 is it from a conservative garbage collector 01:45:00 kmc: oh gosh you should see all the stuff bike was pasting 01:45:00 -!- hagb4rdoux has changed nick to hagb4rd. 01:45:13 The linux32 one is http://pastebin.com/wDsaSenA which seems way more sane to me. 01:45:14 even just the C macro abuse is amazing 01:45:21 it does type checking with C macros 01:45:23 It's from a garbage collector, yeah. 01:45:30 I still don't know what the hell is going on with the type checking. 01:45:38 #define DISCARD(expr) \ BEGIN \ (void)sizeof((expr)!=0); \ END 01:45:42 like...?! 01:46:03 is that a type checker? 01:46:12 sounds like just a way to mark 'expr' as used when it isn't really 01:46:18 but that would just be (void)expr; ? 01:46:32 the sizeof is to make sure the compiler looks at it, and barfs if it's not a valid expr 01:46:37 without actually evaluating it 01:46:41 oh 01:46:44 so it's a syntactic check 01:46:46 the type check is: #define ASSERT_TYPECHECK(type,val0 ASSERT(type ## Check(val), "TypeCheck " #type ": " #val) 01:46:47 errrr 01:46:59 (type,val) I mean. 01:46:59 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 01:47:13 I can't for the life of me figure out what this is for. 01:48:03 i think i will drink the rest of this oatmeal stout and then attempt to understand that code (not really) (only the last part is not really, the beginning part is completely really) 01:48:37 kmc: You should make mosh use NaCl. 01:48:54 NaCl only supports weird djbalgorithms yeah? 01:49:21 unless you mean the other NaCl 01:49:21 [TO DO:] crypto_secretbox_aes256gcm 01:49:23 djbalgorithms 01:49:27 wait 01:49:29 that's what you said 01:49:35 i thought shachaf meant the other nacl 01:49:44 the twitter crypto mafia was making fun of gcm the other day 01:49:47 I meant the one with the djbalgorithms. 01:49:51 so i think we shouldn't use gcm 01:49:52 Anyway that's a [TO DO:] 01:49:56 twitter crypto mafia 01:50:02 The one it actually uses is crypto_secretbox_xsalsa20poly1305 01:50:06 swedish house mafia 01:50:21 shachaf: I asked a queston on http://wtfcrypto.com/ but it didn't get answered yet! 01:50:44 What's the question? 01:51:15 whether H(key || nonce || block index) produces a secure stream cipher keystream, in principle 01:51:17 kmc: You should write a MITM program that inserts misleading information into web pages about cryptography when you don't fetch them with https. 01:51:26 Eventually all cryptography programs will be broken. 01:51:36 that's a cool tumblr :o 01:51:38 shachaf: O: THEY'RE IN THE WALLS 01:51:44 Fiora: just started up 01:51:54 * Fiora follows 01:52:03 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 01:52:29 wait, I can't find a follow button -_- 01:52:37 i don't know how tumblr works 01:52:47 if you click the wrong button you will probably get dick gifs 01:52:48 just fyi 01:52:58 oh I guess I can do it manually 01:53:04 Fiora: Sometimes if they're jerks they make it a bit weird to follow them. I had to do a bit of diving for some other one. 01:53:07 Dick gifs? Hot dog! 01:53:08 kmc: is that a general internet tip 01:53:13 yes 01:53:16 Your Rights Online 01:53:44 this oatmeal stout somehow lacks a %ABV label so I can only assume it will give me incredible superpowers 01:53:44 Fiora: http://www.tumblr.com/follow/wtfcrypto hth 01:53:53 thankies 01:53:54 (Unless it doesn't work.) 01:54:02 (I just made up the URL.) 01:54:07 gif would be just the wrong format 01:54:07 well donechaf 01:54:13 -!- monqy has joined. 01:54:32 thankeegan 01:54:47 Haha, it actually works. 01:55:08 Bike: what's your tumblrpage 01:55:33 mnxmnkmnd, insert self-flagellation here 01:55:55 That's a horrible username. :-( I'll never remember it. 01:56:01 It's as bad as that jumble of letters I use. 01:56:02 write it down 01:56:09 monqy: thank'se 01:56:15 My page title is cyrillic gibberish. 01:56:18 monqy: i see you already @messagesed 01:56:20 I saw what could qualify as a WTF at work 01:56:21 minix man kommand 01:56:25 shachaf: yes 01:56:28 I clearly missed out by making it Bicyclidine. 01:56:36 on* 01:56:38 itt: bicycle day is every day 01:56:39 It's probably going to get worse, but hey 01:57:33 shachaf: by "that jumble of betters" do you mean slbkbs 01:57:44 or shachaf 01:57:59 elliott: i get it 01:58:01 shachaf has no posts but exists. hmm??? 01:58:06 ???????????? 01:58:09 i exist?? 01:58:14 http://shachaf.tumblr.com/ 01:58:24 oh no 01:58:49 If that's not you, you should fight the owner to the death... actually might be amusing if you did that even if it was you. 01:58:51 kmc: imo you should make mosh use NaCl anyway 01:59:01 nacl is "p. cool" 01:59:18 Nah, should be HTML5. 01:59:24 01:59:32 @slap pikhq 01:59:33 * lambdabot hits pikhq with an assortment of kitchen utensils 01:59:44 ...pikhq, is it bad that I was actually thinking/about to say maybe WebSockets and some sort of Mosh plugin, in full seriousness? 01:59:57 Bike: i like that comic 01:59:57 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 02:00:01 http://25.media.tumblr.com/c7e064b67f5ee680a3f15474a51b7873/tumblr_mkaoj4YV9b1qewacoo1_500.jpg 02:00:04 good comic 02:00:08 HTML 6 actually includes o:XML as a fully featured sublanguage. 02:00:50 * Sgeo thought that comic was a Schrodinger's cat joke at first 02:01:07 awwww kitty :3 02:01:10 maru 02:01:39 Nyaaaa~ 02:02:12 pectopah 02:02:49 niȳa-~ 02:04:03 * Fiora paws at Bike 02:04:10 02:04:19 02:04:21 Can't possibly cause confusion with Spring MVC Forms 02:04:45 Oh, wait, that wasn't even Bike's. 02:05:03 Fiora: i like that comic 02:05:19 :3 02:05:26 Easy to mix the two of you up, since you're pretty much the same person. 02:06:05 that's not true :< 02:06:06 help 02:06:17 Bike: Is it true? 02:06:31 `? fiora 02:06:33 Fiora is a freakin' vriskapologist. 02:06:37 There exists only one person who likes Homestuck. Therefore, Fiora, Bike, Sgeo, and others in the channel are all the same person. 02:06:40 `? Bike 02:06:41 Bike is from Luxembourg. 02:06:44 I don't think I've vriskapologized anybody 02:07:38 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:07:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBMPyu0fUlI 02:08:17 Sgeo, if i state my categorical hatred for homestuck do i get my own identity 02:08:34 This fanart is quite anime. 02:08:46 narcissitic b*tches 02:09:50 I am not that big a homestuck fan -_- 02:09:55 robots :O 02:10:07 Robots are cool. 02:10:27 She's not a robot. Although there is a robot there. Kind of. 02:10:43 * shachaf is a bot. 02:10:46 Let me rephrase. The main character in that video is not a robot. 02:11:06 Anyway that code I was pasting earlier is very enterprisey, but kind of in a good way. This is new for me. 02:11:29 Fiora, you don't understand 02:11:42 there are no shades of grey 02:11:48 ;-; 02:11:50 once you're on that list you're on for life 02:11:56 Phantom_Hoover is probably the meanest person in IRC. 02:11:58 but 02:11:58 Even meaner than I am. 02:12:01 I heardthere were 50 shades of grey 02:12:03 was that wrong 02:12:04 did I hear wrong 02:12:11 there are at least 256 shades of grey 02:12:17 yes but they're not presently relevant 02:12:20 Isn't it 256? 02:12:26 I'm pretty sure I read that it's 256. 02:12:27 I think they're very relevant, baby. *winks* 02:12:33 My quantizer says exactly 256. 02:12:40 hehe 02:12:42 it's 254 you morons 02:12:59 Phantom_Hoover: #000000 is a shade of gray. 02:13:01 :) 02:13:02 the ends aren't grey 02:13:02 * Bike slowly realizes C macros may be hygenic. 02:13:12 Bike: think again 02:13:16 Bike: They're the antithesis of hygenic macros. 02:13:19 Or like... pattern replacey. 02:13:27 They look more like Scheme macros, is all. 02:13:32 Hmm... now I'm confused. Isn't that 24-bit color? We have 32-bit color, don't we? 02:13:41 Sgeo: 32-bit color is one of two things. 02:13:46 32-bit color typically means 24-bit color or 24 bit with 8 bit alpha channel 02:13:48 But I do tend to think of computer colors as ranging from 0-255 02:13:51 Sgeo: Either RGBA, or RGB with 8 bits of padding. 02:13:56 pikhq, ah 02:14:08 there are formats with 32 bits /per channel/ but that's kind of excessive 02:14:09 oh geez I started an argument about color representations -_- 02:14:10 #define TRACE_SET_ITER(ti, trace, ts, arena) for(ti = 0, trace = ArenaTrace(arena, ti); ti < TraceLIMIT; ++ti, trace = ArenaTrace(arena, ti)) BEGIN if (TraceSetIsMember(ts, trace)) { 02:14:15 even 16 bits per channel is enough for most purposes 02:14:27 what's with this BEGIN nonsense 02:14:35 It's the do { } while(0) thing. 02:14:41 sigh 02:14:46 Fiora: the only solution i have found for not starting ridiculous things in #esoteric by saying things is to not say anything 02:14:47 well I'm glad they've abstracted it! 02:14:49 it's terminal. 02:14:49 Sigh? 02:14:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ScRGB.svg This is a 16-bit gamut. 02:14:55 ......why? 02:14:58 5o!..fifty shades of grey *sing 02:15:01 do { } while(0) 02:15:02 Why 02:15:07 Sgeo: to make it a single statement 02:15:10 Sgeo: Oh, to force it to be a statement 02:15:14 Sgeo: consider: if (foo) BAR(x); 02:15:16 where BAR is a macro 02:15:17 elliott, what if an argument starts over why you're not talking lately 02:15:23 if BAR expands to two statements, you're gonna have a bad time. 02:15:35 Ah 02:15:42 (note, not the most efficient large-gamut colorspace, just one with the neat property of being trivially related to sRGB) 02:15:47 so logically a loop is the perfect way to fix this! 02:15:55 kmc: Is there a better way! 02:15:57 make the triangle EVEN BIGGER so it includes EVERY COLOR 02:16:04 er, that was supposed to be a questioning mark. 02:16:10 if(1)? 02:16:11 someone figured out that if (0); else { ... } also works as a statementifier 02:16:12 i won't be satisfied until I can represent a PURE GREEN LASER in my color space 02:16:14 compiler extensions 02:16:27 right, there's some other reason that you can't use just { } 02:16:31 why is it 02:16:32 Oh, I guess that's not a statement 02:16:36 Something to do with semicolons? 02:16:43 kmc: I thought {} blocks couldn't just like, be there. 02:16:44 That would apply to olsner's thing too, though. 02:16:44 extraneous semicolons are usulaly ok 02:16:47 Bike: they can 02:16:48 Bike: Sure they can. 02:16:48 Bike: they can 02:16:55 I used to know the reason you wanted do...while 02:16:55 ANYWAY do { } while (0) is an Idiom. 02:16:57 almost typed Idiot 02:16:58 but I've forgotten it 02:17:00 they can??? that's one question mark for you 02:17:02 -!- zzo38 has joined. 02:17:08 it might even be a Design Pattern 02:17:12 ™ 02:17:28 kmc mad status approaching critical 02:17:29 kmc: So BEGIN and END are Idiom brackets? 02:17:44 shachaf................................................................................................ 02:17:45 kmc: Sounds like we should extend that even more and make it a 32-bit colorspace. 02:17:50 There's no such thing as a language that doesn't need design patterns of some sort, is there? 02:17:51 the point is to make "MACRO;" be a *single* statement - using just a block would make that two statements 02:17:55 An idiomless language 02:18:04 help kmc is doting on me 02:18:10 That sounds like a hard to define and kinda pointless question. 02:18:18 ☺ 02:18:21 Are you sure you don't need design patterns? 02:18:22 right, in particular you need to use do { } while (0) and not do { } while (0); which would be pointless 02:18:22 "the best kind" 02:18:34 Maybe it also depend, if some things are called a design patterns 02:18:35 "the" point ... one of the other points 02:18:39 being doted on by kmc doesn't osund too bad 02:18:53 :> 02:18:59 hi zzo38 02:19:18 kmc: Want a bonus about this? You so do. 02:19:24 so, we have #define MPS_END } while(0) 02:19:40 MPS_END might cause compiler warnings about constant conditionals. This could be avoided with some loss of efficiency by replacing 0 with a variable always guaranteed to be 0. 02:19:50 D: 02:20:11 MPS_END and END are different macros, by the way, with the same expansion. Because of abstration. 02:20:32 I don't think there should be a warning about such thing, and I think you can turn off the warning if you are doing thing like that! 02:20:43 how bout TIT_START TIT_END 02:20:45 It should optimize it out if there is such a thing, instead. 02:20:47 In Visual C, the warning can be turned off using: #pragma warning(disable: 4127) 02:20:49 kmc: Is there never a case where extra semicolons are a problem? 02:20:51 hope this helps zzo38. 02:20:57 if(x)if(y)blah;; or something? Well, not that. 02:20:59 But something. 02:21:17 Well, but maybe you want compiling in GNU C, the option for warning is different, I think. 02:21:44 I think extra semicolons in classes (or was it global scope?) are strictly speaking not allowed 02:21:45 I would guess it doesn't warn? 02:21:51 I don't like many of the warnings it has so I like to turn it off. Such as, the warning for using = when == is meant; I did mean = not == actually. 02:22:15 olsner: Yes I heard that too, but I think it might be useful anyways, and some compilers might allow it. 02:22:26 just surpress all warnings.. give them some make up.. and push that big red button..DEPLOY 02:22:36 I know that Verilog does not allow extra semicolons, because I have tried, and Icarus Verilog won't compile it when there are extra semicolons. 02:22:59 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:23:13 hagb4rd: Well, there are some warnings I like, and some which I would rather have errors, such as converting between integer/pointer without a cast. 02:23:29 #define STATISTIC(gather) BEGIN (gather); END <-- agh 02:23:32 -!- carado has joined. 02:24:12 Oh, it's just for conditionallerating. 02:25:17 good old warning #4127 02:26:04 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/6t66728h(v=vs.80).aspx Yeah I don't get it. 02:26:23 kmc: Ah, it enforces a ; 02:26:31 Isn't while(1) { ... } super common 02:26:36 Otherwise you could leave it off. 02:26:49 Bike: I don't know; sometimes for(;;) { ... } is used instead and I use for(;;) 02:27:08 Yeah, that's what the warning docs say to do. 02:27:19 #define ever (;;) 02:28:08 These error codes are apparently just serial. That must be confusing. 02:28:32 Still I don't like all of the warnings (although I do use some of them). 02:29:09 shachaf beat me to it :( 02:29:15 that shachaf is quick on the draw 02:29:51 Bots often are. 02:29:57 @nixon Isn't that so? 02:29:57 Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. 02:31:20 "void *marker = ▮" 02:31:33 void *TURKEY_BOMB = &TURKEY_BOMB; 02:31:40 Bike have you seen turkey bomb. 02:31:41 @brain are you pondering what Bike is pondering 02:31:41 Well, I think so, Brain, but pantyhose are so uncomfortable in the summertime. 02:31:43