< 1364515266 324924 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364515546 709855 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1364518549 741341 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364519074 674820 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy easter egg http://178.63.82.135:9090 < 1364519095 604867 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8bit lovers < 1364519301 409488 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1364519301 717808 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1364519501 503541 :spacew!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364520374 579615 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364520613 825117 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364520664 111259 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: wait, is that live? < 1364520671 272098 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1364520679 854095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FEEL CONNECTED TO THE WORLD < 1364520681 824190 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mottt.fm/ < 1364520682 787242 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you so much < 1364520686 904363 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1364520707 252668 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit he's cracked < 1364520709 689909 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice session isn't it? < 1364520729 123836 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364520737 574591 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the record goes well < 1364520778 481482 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup it's pretty good < 1364520809 616476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Eclipse, fuck Eclipse, I'll see your ass in Eclipse, I'll see you down in hell, Pachelbel... erm, Eclipse < 1364520815 498322 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of the film sound of noise < 1364520831 649044 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound of noise..sounds interesting < 1364520852 814687 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the sound of music, only less musical. < 1364520899 731956 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will check it out *noted < 1364520903 621857 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1364520913 371451 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not today < 1364520965 977983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: first look for "music for one apartment and six drummers" < 1364520971 749661 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a short film (less than ten minutes) < 1364520992 709877 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was quite successful so they made the film on the same idea < 1364521001 383642 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364521043 293314 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd2 < 1364521073 186627 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hagb4rd hagb4rd: first look for "music for one apartment and six drummers" | the film sound of noise < 1364521073 809137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364521097 75026 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rdoux < 1364521224 54217 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364521273 320673 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364521288 314415 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky PART #esoteric :"." < 1364521422 277729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And . to you too! < 1364521505 229733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "zugabend"? < 1364521619 736985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bend in a zuga < 1364521772 838334 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: zugabe -> shout of encore < 1364521784 90234 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364521798 987126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, my spelling was close :) < 1364521820 964343 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364521852 574026 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zug would be train.. and abend evening :) < 1364521897 310061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's why it didn't make that much sense to me < 1364521918 190312 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except as the title of some horror movies with zombies in a train < 1364521918 869984 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nighttrain < 1364521920 394414 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g < 1364521925 792074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zugzwang im Abend < 1364521930 51245 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1364521938 344364 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find that movie! < 1364521941 118808 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye..stress! < 1364522003 240509 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. i somehow feel like goin out and check one of tose easter-parties < 1364522019 38508 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh it's really easter < 1364522029 671539 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep .lol < 1364522039 851212 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about easter eggs in video games or films or that kind of stuff < 1364522042 74064 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Arc_Koen < 1364522047 597473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364522058 348921 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea me too < 1364522073 767561 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had some ambivalente meaning < 1364522102 698172 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ;) < 1364522104 895132 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1364522115 988255 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak up! < 1364522123 516742 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o/ < 1364522128 819526 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :party or not? < 1364522166 495302 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of party are those? < 1364522189 350314 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did some guys hid chocolate eggs all around their place and people search for them? < 1364522190 501679 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically with girls, drugs and rocknroll < 1364522211 665445 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1364522249 613958 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you don't need to wake up early tomorrow morning I'd say go for it! < 1364522261 496604 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope i don't < 1364522325 143858 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you? < 1364522335 251171 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no holiday? < 1364522351 750494 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever you do < 1364522353 447402 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we usually just get the monday < 1364522364 803761 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. k < 1364522370 826436 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from? < 1364522373 264469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: < 1364522373 770130 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1364522374 329543 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1364522374 901233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (.) < 1364522376 606886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c < 1364522376 863522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :france < 1364522398 638010 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I'm not exactly employed at the moment < 1364522400 313432 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :france..cool < 1364522996 603136 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364523096 709637 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rdoux: so how many people are performing? < 1364523102 935041 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364523109 262263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that easter thing I'm currently listening to) < 1364523114 730939 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364523439 850 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna head to bed, have a good party < 1364523446 202046 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1364523613 897524 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364523647 527818 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364524225 557892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, have we laughed at gprolog recently? or ever? < 1364524258 742245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like gnu smalltalk < 1364524289 577027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- X #> Y, Y #> X. < 1364524291 58006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(14584 ms) no < 1364524314 399164 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's #> < 1364524317 866492 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The performances of GNU Prolog are very encouraging (comparable to commercial systems). < 1364524330 706030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "constrain to be greater than", except that it sometimes fails for no apparent reason < 1364524335 266976 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how does swipl compare < 1364524339 474007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#># is the version that doesn't sometimes fail for no apparent reason, it's slower < 1364524342 405926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a gprolog extension < 1364524348 650782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so SWI probably doesn't understand it at all < 1364524358 527086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- X1 * Y1 #= 24; X2 * Y2 #= 25. < 1364524360 18469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X1 = _#3(1..24) < 1364524361 527550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y1 = _#22(1..24) ? ; < 1364524362 996347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364524368 771178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an example of "sometimes fails for no apparent reason" < 1364524370 205520 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it takes fourteen and a half seconds to tell you that > is antireflexive? < 1364524379 246444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah < 1364524382 271094 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1364524385 487924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- X1 * Y1 #=# 24; X2 * Y2 #=# 25. < 1364524386 994588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X1 = _#3(1..4:6:8:12:24@) < 1364524388 506696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y1 = _#22(1..4:6:8:12:24@) ? ; < 1364524389 984876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X2 = _#3(1:5:25@) < 1364524391 490410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y2 = _#22(1:5:25@) < 1364524395 655038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the fixed version with #=#, by the way < 1364524398 409038 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell's happening there, like... is it trying every number or something < 1364524408 156997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's doing what I told it to do < 1364524420 621724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find X1, Y1, X2, Y2 such that X1*Y1=24, or X2*Y2=25 < 1364524430 586883 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with the #> thing. < 1364524436 430181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, with the #> thing < 1364524442 240312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm guessing it tries every number < 1364524444 781483 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slow, man < 1364524453 388809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Every* number? < 1364524455 704403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of numbers. < 1364524460 548776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :between 0 and its maxint < 1364524464 207310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit lower than the usual maxint < 1364524473 352693 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: something something hypermegaultrafinitism < 1364524486 217771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "bit" lower eh?? < 1364524496 648460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- X #> Y, Y #>= X. < 1364524498 132584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(29998 ms) no < 1364524507 808040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that that's around twice as much makes me wonder < 1364524559 89277 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, I thought of something. Currently, programming languages and program operation are intimately tied together. < 1364524572 94211 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write a program that works like a Python program, you have to write it in Python; you can't write it in Haskell. < 1364524611 70893 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's some way you could divorce language from behavior. I mean, in any programming language, you're essentially defining the behaviors of a bunch of tiny objects. < 1364524631 29433 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what do you mean by "language" exactly < 1364524664 292130 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could come up with some programming language that's perfectly good at expressing Python programs, Haskell programs, C++ programs, and what have you. < 1364524677 270478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hilarious is "findall(X,current_atom(X),Y)." < 1364524687 401975 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I may have used it with different meanings in different places. < 1364524688 474061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Prolog only supports the use of a capped finite number of strings, ever < 1364524693 617385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lists the strings that have been used so far < 1364524709 313435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's beautiful ais < 1364524713 182677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains strings like '/home/diaz/GP/src/src/BipsPl/type_inl.pl' < 1364524724 97327 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that Perl < 1364524729 497340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Prolog < 1364524737 645666 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. but still < 1364524738 959890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and '/build/buildd/gprolog-1.3.0/src/BipsFD/fd_bool.pl' < 1364524749 989425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is capable of handling arbitrarily many strings over the lifetime of a program < 1364524770 520430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364524772 222958 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just thought it would be funny if the prolog system was written in Perl. < 1364524783 134102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of debug messages, an the like < 1364524792 737201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Prolog doesn't look very like Perl at all < 1364524799 977333 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But I mean, it's not that hard to throw on a different parser; I imagine you mean something more interesting. < 1364524807 216502 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .pl is used for perl, isn't it? < 1364524811 567584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1364524813 847142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also for Prolog < 1364524820 950521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've learned. < 1364524824 575346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Perl seems to win that battle, so I use .pro for Prolog < 1364524839 328401 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.log < 1364524850 996832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one's also already taken :) < 1364524874 851385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.pro is also already taken according to Emacs, but it clashes with something I've never heard of < 1364524885 179622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple posedge signals is OK in discrete logic, so I didn't know that it is not valid in FPGA. Is there a way to make it valid? I think some FPGA have multiple clock input? < 1364524921 904254 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, I do. < 1364524932 125696 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, take a Haskell definition like this one: < 1364524936 300889 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch = 'a' < 1364524947 401164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: most FPGAs will work with one, complain but mostly work with two and maybe three, and fail with much more < 1364524957 222198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they have to use clock circuitry for anything that is used in posedge < 1364524964 771608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have a lot more logic circuitry than clock circuitry < 1364524975 824032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they can't drive the same register from more than one clock < 1364524980 634073 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the behavior of that definition? It's to create a constant thunk of type Char that, when evaluated, yields the character 'a'. < 1364525001 406206 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you just said is Haskell semantics, strictly speaking? < 1364525004 449026 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... what's "create". < 1364525007 354931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah; and in this case, that's equivalent to making ch an alias for 'a', which is what the same line would do in Algol < 1364525015 463355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: talking about Haskell semantics in a general discussion is a bad idea < 1364525031 241376 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes semantics are egh, but I mean it doesn't have to mean creating anything, does it? < 1364525031 435081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are so many simplifying assumptions that are true of Haskell but not in general < 1364525032 87935 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, by "create" I guess I mean something like "declare the existence of" or whatever. < 1364525036 834875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Haskell programers act like they're always correct < 1364525047 65607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, so something like always@(posedge X) Z<=0; always@(posedge Y) Z<=1; is not allowed; is that what you mean? < 1364525057 944444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, a typical FPGA physically can't implement that < 1364525059 281043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunks aren't part of Haskell semantics, the language doesn't guarantee lazy evaulation, only non-strict semantics < 1364525064 505091 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1364525068 596658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, in that case there are race conditions too) < 1364525073 990174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I would probably not call that a thunk anyway, because there's no application to reduce < 1364525075 781895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sufficiently good synthesizer might be able to translate it into something they could implement that did the same thing, but it'd be much more complicated < 1364525082 767639 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, fair enough. < 1364525088 877978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char is an abstract data type, so it's implementation defined < 1364525096 226710 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure where my mind is, but I read "posedge" as "Poseidon". < 1364525096 581709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a good chance that 'a' is already in weak head-normal form < 1364525108 426950 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It declares *something* that can be queried to yield the bits and bytes representing the character 'a'. < 1364525109 839276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no it couldn't < 1364525130 926141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really get the bits and bytes < 1364525132 459425 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits and bytes huh. < 1364525138 937511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X becomes 0, Y becomes 0, X becomes 1, Y becomes 1 in that order, there's no circuitry that exists in a typical FPGA that could create a clock that could clock the register on both positive edges < 1364525146 981156 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what querying, does haskell have querying? < 1364525154 369139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't observe whether your implementation stores Char as UTF-8 or UTF-32, any more than you can observe whether it stores Int in big-endian or little-endian order < 1364525155 802806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1364525159 793290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you had more than one register? < 1364525160 517593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not relevant < 1364525163 534298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Maximum Anal < 1364525171 818345 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about if you were to translate the definition "ch = 'a'" into C or something. < 1364525184 83174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: \ldots < 1364525189 642775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think you could do it with four registers < 1364525195 320230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well in C it's an assignment. That's pretty different from a Haskell binding. < 1364525197 988562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually an interesting esoprogramming experiment < 1364525208 434286 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't remember what that is :( < 1364525226 30660 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ldots is a low horizontal ellipsis, like … < 1364525231 216002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There might be possibility; is there a program to convert "portable Verilog" into what is needed for specific FPGA or whatever is being used? < 1364525246 17920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think such thing might be useful if you cannot otherwise write a portable Verilog code. < 1364525253 339520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always@(posedge X) Q[0:1]=R[0:1]+1; always@(posedge Y) R[0:1]=Q[0:1]+1; assign Z=(Q-R)[1] < 1364525256 134274 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well maybe your bicycle is going to penetrate you and you'll just have to deal. < 1364525285 980866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and yes; FPGAs have custom input formats, but they all come with compilers (which tend to be very expensive) to convert portable Verilog into their own input format < 1364525291 632533 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I guess I figured that what you'd do is just only write Verilog that works on all of the FPGAs you want to target. < 1364525294 471875 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It could create a thunk resulting in the UTF-32 encoding of 'a'. Alternately, it could create a thunk resulting in a Church numeral. < 1364525312 82842 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed, but the latter behavior would be annoying if you wanted to query this thing from C. < 1364525319 975243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well my Verity compiler outputs portable VHDL, and could be made to output portable Verilog upon similar lines < 1364525320 506572 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it would be doable. < 1364525320 700541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, I don't want to only target any specific group of FPGAs; anyways I want it to work with ASIC too, and also with simulation. < 1364525323 448058 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even from C. < 1364525329 815682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has done Church numerals in C. :) < 1364525336 783276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you shouldn't have problems if you stick to the synthesizable subset of standard Verilog < 1364525353 565524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, OK, then. < 1364525373 962300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a case of sticking to the circuit elements that exist in all FPGAs < 1364525376 566413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, someone told me, that complicated programs will not normally be portable to diferent kind of FPGA. < 1364525378 434884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ASICs you have more freedom < 1364525385 886418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is true, it's because complicated programs normally use libraries < 1364525392 693683 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Would it be? I thought the standard FFI let you marshal Chars? < 1364525398 576753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the libraries are normally written by the FPGA manufacturers and not portable at all < 1364525408 768473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they're normally only shipped in encrypted binary form < 1364525411 890426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often have DRM < 1364525424 662522 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose really, all I'm getting at is "let's take C and pile features on top of it until it's Haskell". < 1364525444 473956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you haven't seen it already, there's http://opencores.org/ which is an attempt to make open-source libraries for FPGAs < 1364525444 747956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is pretty strict. < 1364525448 996519 :ludamad!~adomurad@dsl-67-204-48-155.acanac.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364525469 234289 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Trust me, you can do lambda in C. Which means if you're insane you can do thunks in C. < 1364525471 581126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also aiming for ASICs, but nobody in the open-source hardware commnity can afford those yet < 1364525480 760596 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means if you're freaking *crazy* you can get laziness. < 1364525482 559701 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could do some recursive parametric types through truly sad preprocessor abuse. < 1364525492 151928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: see any Unlambda interp in C < 1364525497 451228 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has done all that, but not touched parametric types < 1364525506 297614 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth is a good programming language if you don't need to do anything that involves data. < 1364525507 916446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You crazy. < 1364525510 907170 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did a Lazy K interp in C. < 1364525512 590037 :ludamad!~adomurad@dsl-67-204-48-155.acanac.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364525552 900493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Those are a few of the reasons why I don't want to be forced to use such libraries; however, if their function is known well enough, then I would hope that a way to represent the function in standard Verilog and then write a separate program, the same open-source program for all FPGA/ASIC, which takes a description and a Verilog program and modifies it to work better with the FPGA description given. < 1364525573 269621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know if there are any open-source FPGA synthesizers < 1364525586 265859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not theoretically impossible for one to be written, but the manufacturers have no interest in making it easy to do so < 1364525607 960223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think there are open-source FPGA synthesizers but they cannot generate FPGA bitcodes < 1364525619 417044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense < 1364525621 366156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have seen OpenCores. However, I have still seen, the Amber CPU core (an ARM2 compatible core), says it is for Xilinx Spartan 6 only. < 1364525638 589733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would be to do with what features of the chip it used, most likely < 1364525639 807848 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure lazy lambda can be done in 25 lines of C :) < 1364525676 678387 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I don't think it would be extremely difficult to turn Haskell into C++ or something. < 1364525677 595474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose, but I would like to be able to convert it into a portable Verilog code, so that it can work in Xilinx 7-series, and non-Xilinx, too. < 1364525686 83684 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I'm going to write all my Haskell in C++ from now on. < 1364525707 907207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I always aim to write portable VHDL and Verilog, except when writing drivers for specific hardware < 1364525722 595256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, the only nonportability is usually due to assuming the existence of certain pins < 1364525770 114620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of necessary if you're interfacing with hardware < 1364525786 300716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally when I want to use a particular feature of an FPGA, I write code which the synthesizers will understand as trying to use that feature < 1364525788 428367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program I was making suggestion of, though, would be, first it does general-purpose optimization (I think Icarus Verilog does this), and then output another Verilog program which is mostly the same as the optimized one except for certain features programmed to optimize for the FPGA description (and the delay commands could be used for further optimization?) < 1364525796 316628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What pins, specifically? < 1364525813 51490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whatever pins are used by the hardware I'm interfacing with < 1364525849 927302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you be more specific? < 1364525852 485762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Verity standard library actually contains some apparently useless code, just so that Quartus II (Altera's compiler) will infer it correctly < 1364525863 170993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: say I want to write code to output numbers on a 7-segment display < 1364525873 529230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that the hardware has 7 pins that are actually connected to the segments of such a display < 1364525889 383533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1364525904 527355 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364525908 762076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But such things seems like it is not specific to the FPGA; it seems like specific to the external hardware, isn't it? < 1364525926 874074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, yes < 1364525933 559531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to give the signals names that depend on the FPGA toolchain < 1364525940 830926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or connect them to pins yourself < 1364525957 559211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason we gave up on Xilinx and moved to Altera was that Xilinx wouldn't give us enough information to connect the signals to pins manually < 1364525972 767251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Altera both gave us the information we needed, and also a tool that did it automatically :) < 1364526032 5975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However what I know about Xilinx is that for small and medium FPGAs, you don't have to pay (but you still have to register) to use their software, and it is capable of running on a VM running RedHat (someone also said it works on a VM running Ubuntu), and doesn't expire. < 1364526072 143731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Xilinx won't do what you said, how can I use Amber on Altera or others? < 1364526106 728427 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364526138 783217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know < 1364526166 881403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after spending two weeks trying to get the Xilinx toolchain to work, then calling in someone who'd used it before, then them having phoned up some friends they had at Xilinx and asking for help, and it still not working < 1364526170 398071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we gave up and moved onto Altera < 1364526198 879486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm alive, i'm alive, oh i'm alive, and how I know it! but for chips and for freedom I could die. < 1364526430 632781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open-source FPGA would solve these problems, but since it doesn't exist, I was thinking to make an alternative solution, where a program finds things in a Verilog program which use features of FPGA and change them to use features of other FPGA, and it also mean optimization for example if there are race conditions it can assume it doesn't care, and optimize based on that. < 1364526544 237888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what did you think of my code that's designed to simulate your register-driven-by-two-clocks example? < 1364526552 499655 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364526554 279602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : always@(posedge X) Q[0:1]=R[0:1]+1; always@(posedge Y) R[0:1]=Q[0:1]+1; assign Z=(Q-R)[1] < 1364526563 844194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the syntax is correct, but if it isn't, it's likely fixable < 1364526587 838684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be an interesting translation to do in a compiler < 1364526606 34788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually wondered about a VHDL/Verilog selfcompiler that translates as much of the language as possible into the synthesizable subset < 1364526607 320546 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364526607 514586 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1364526607 514794 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1364526610 225850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using tricks like that < 1364526635 373389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, that can be optimized < 1364526658 879107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always@(posedge X) Q=R; always@(posedge Y) R=~Q; assign Z=Q^R < 1364526745 254616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have not thought much about this code yet, but I will print it out so that I can think about it later < 1364526763 968632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you have two registers, each driven by a different clock < 1364526778 541423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perform logical operations on them in order to combine the two clock signals < 1364526873 935622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I did mean something like the compiler that translates as much of the language as possible into the synthesizable subset, but also make things into whatever is needed to work for the target FPGA even if the input file is a generic/portable file instead of vendor-specific. < 1364526902 938220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the main thing I've discovered about targeting FPGAs is that the compilers tend to be sensitive to details you wouldn't think would matter < 1364526927 840931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of details? < 1364526951 150524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one case, I had to create a temporary register to hold the output of a cast to unsigned, and cache it to one cycle, in VHDL < 1364526963 494197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the cast is a no-op in hardware < 1364526999 636355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I didn't, then it couldn't correctly use the result of the cache as an index into an array; it synthesized the code, but simulated the array using registers instead of using the FPGA's block memory < 1364527022 649225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, when reading from memory, I had to read from it every cycle, it didn't like reading from it only conditionally < 1364527034 702565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird because a conditional read is implemented in hardware as always reading, then storing the read value conditionally < 1364527197 816973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one reason why there should be the program to automatically convert these things to make it working < 1364527213 999979 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364527231 702215 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364527593 8967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they will make Icarus Verilog to do such things? < 1364527861 957905 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364528323 76341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know any such things can you help Icarus Verilog development team? < 1364528671 773911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded Icarus, but have not used it for anything serious < 1364528679 303444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I use it to compile Verilog to VHDL so I can read it ;) < 1364528811 551457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is one use of it. < 1364529787 430588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up the Magic: the Gathering card: All non-legendary permanents have cumulative upkeep--double your life total. At the beginning of each player's first main phase, if that player's life total exceeds one million, that player loses the game. < 1364529956 548030 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a complementary card < 1364529962 291834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's "precombat main phase" with current templating < 1364529970 143195 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All legendart permanents have "if you would lose the game, win the game." < 1364529971 682635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cumulative upkeep needs reminder text < 1364529986 72589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that would cause a lot of draws < 1364529990 866694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if both players had one < 1364529992 154180 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it would. < 1364530004 869852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the infinite loop rule < 1364530027 567183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1364530044 737993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's worded as a replacement effect: "if you would lose the game, you win the game instead", I'm not 100% sure what happens < 1364530063 713417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on whether the the-same-effect-can't-be-replaced-multiple-times rule would trigger < 1364530068 203807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does, the replacements would cancel each other out < 1364530071 806318 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sniggers < 1364530087 285761 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you would lose the game, play a subgame with your library as the deck." < 1364530095 924495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and? < 1364530105 283561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, who needs that to do anything. < 1364530112 339163 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subgame's enough. < 1364530118 343581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the DCI banned sharharazad because someone thought up an exploit where you'd use it recursively to stall out the time in the round < 1364530123 580186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually tried to use it < 1364530130 965574 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind that you can wish for cards in the supergame. < 1364530132 65848 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1364530136 307680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's one of those theoretical thing that it'd make sense to shut off < 1364530140 528378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually you can't any more, they changed the rule < 1364530154 244596 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1364530160 645511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wishes only work on sideboards nowadays < 1364530167 405304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's tournament rules. < 1364530173 856330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1364530176 407104 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not in the comprehensive rules at all. < 1364530193 889361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't work on exiled cards or supergame cards even in the comp rules, I think < 1364530195 405763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wishes? < 1364530197 343458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just on other cards in your collection < 1364530199 979105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tournament rules basically patch the rules in this case to define "cards you own outside the game" to mean your sideboard. < 1364530212 532399 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They do work on supergame cards, I've checked. < 1364530213 280797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "place a card with property X from outside the game into your hand. exile this card" < 1364530216 460163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fair enough < 1364530217 557284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do not work on *exiled* cards. < 1364530230 53208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1364530231 664730 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they do work on cards in the exile zone in a supergame. < 1364530234 893925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really I think it would make more sense for the "cards you own outside the game" to mean your sideboard in the standard rules, rather than patching the rules in klugy ways like that. < 1364530241 394115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I think the original reason for the exile was so that you wouldn't accidentally forget to put the cards back in your sideboard < 1364530246 491155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think most of the rules are too klugy. < 1364530257 631230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also work on cards on the stack in a supergame. < 1364530283 849546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they work only on face-up cards in a supergame, or face-down cards too? < 1364530293 550130 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They work on face-down cards too. < 1364530301 158772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all that matters is who owns the card, right? < 1364530304 262129 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1364530308 320230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you aim it at a face-down card, do you have to reveal it? < 1364530316 39821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably. < 1364530316 980149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of tournament rule about not being able to cheat involving morphs < 1364530325 698726 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, definitely. < 1364530328 728193 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's changing zones. :D < 1364530329 372623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where face-down cards have to be revealed whenever they'd no longer be face-down and in play < 1364530350 333295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, no longer in play < 1364530350 839449 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The supergame rules clearly state you have to reveal the card when it leaves the battlefield. < 1364530360 29453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's face-up it's effectively in play anyway < 1364530366 171613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effectively revealed anyway < 1364530369 337900 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, it counts as leaving the battlefield) < 1364530372 619266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think there are any cards with a reveal trigger < 1364530397 329349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that one card in Unhinged that triggers on being read, but that isn't the same < 1364530417 277414 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fun: removing a card from the stack in this manner is an amazingly silly counterspell. < 1364530450 423611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, only being able to target cards you own is quite the drawback on a counterspell < 1364530458 251601 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1364530464 938128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an *amazingly* silly one. < 1364530472 563296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's theoretically possible it could be useful < 1364530476 500523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much more than that < 1364530485 195671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I suppose it may occasionally be useful to counter your own spells in a few cases < 1364530488 263470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few spells that steal control of spells on the stack, but they're rare and hardly played < 1364530499 42851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if your opponent has modified the target or something like that < 1364530513 935421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the effects both steal control and modify the target < 1364530516 540524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than one or the other < 1364530526 589185 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still own the card though. < 1364530535 297676 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're dealing with *ownership*, not control. < 1364530544 984300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1364530557 702295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going on the basis that it'd be more useful to counter a spell, if you didn't control it < 1364530584 983531 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fun, and more potentially useful: Conspiracy works on all cards you own. < 1364530587 25360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen decent players counter their own spell, but that's because they were trying to build High Tide (a well-known Legacy combo deck) in Standard < 1364530596 153588 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's that one Eldrazi that wishes for any number of Eldrazi. < 1364530607 184075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only legal replacement for Time Spiral is Rewind < 1364530626 329262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there's someone on Gatherer who wants to, some day, use that card to win using Battle of Wits in Commander < 1364530635 758863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've had the combo in their deck forever but never pulled it off < 1364530638 627657 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1364530651 358857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 167 common Eldrazi to hand, just in case < 1364530658 239928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever play Limited format? < 1364530675 364042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to, but I stopped playing Limited at much the same time I stopped playing Constructed < 1364530694 41545 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is awesome. < 1364530707 278010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only play Limited format. < 1364530733 889437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my most memorable event from a game I watched live was some sort of crazy mill versus midrange matchup in constructed < 1364530739 920871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't mind if the rules are made to be specifically for Limited. < 1364530753 704508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the race got very close, and the midrange player won with an empty library and a "draw a card" trigger on the stack < 1364530774 121620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that some sets had cards which were banned before the set came out. I suppose those cards are designed to be used with Limited only? < 1364530895 440038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most memorable event from a tournament I've played was in a Time Spiral draft, where I won with Coalition Victory, twice in the same tournament < 1364530895 685293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think Magic: the Gathering rules are very klugy? < 1364530895 685478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each time with at least one of each basic land, and at least one monocolored creature of each color < 1364530895 685589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sometimes they fix things < 1364530895 685697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like getting rid of substance in favour of "at the beginning of the cleanup step2 < 1364530895 685802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1364530895 893162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They tend to make them even more klugy though < 1364530895 893381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general they seem to either have unnecessary complex rules, or cards, or both < 1364530895 893491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in favour of "at the beginning of the cleanup step..." is better, I think; still, I don't mean rules such as substance. < 1364530895 893602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just kinda wish they had printed a card with substance as a joke. < 1364530904 943853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substance is a klugy feature of the cards that use them, not really a klugy rule, I think. < 1364530912 663596 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Worse Bear. Substance. 2/2" < 1364530919 325170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the fix I'd have liked would be to define substance as "Substance is a static ability. When a card loses substance, its controller sacrifices it." < 1364530922 480574 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly worse than Grizzly Bears. < 1364530930 610193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reminder text would be "Substance (when CARDNAME loses substance, sacrifice it)." < 1364530950 686165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not bad. < 1364530978 302073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, in its original context, "If you play CARDNAME when you couldn't play a sorcery, it gains substance until end of turn. (When it loses substance, sacrifice it.)" < 1364530990 118511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One rule I don't like is the state-based effects that make creatures unable to be attached to anything. < 1364531021 155886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's possible to come up with situations where it's more useful than Runeclaw Bear < 1364531035 480673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly they mostly involve pumping the Runeclaw Bear and then doing something that hurts creatures with higher power < 1364531052 257519 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares "screw Runeclaw" < 1364531067 250026 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We *really* needed a functional reprint of Grizzly? < 1364531069 96187 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really guys? < 1364531069 832626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but grizzly bears can't be a creature because there are two of them < 1364531080 789068 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eff ' < 1364531081 844472 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :em < 1364531090 602263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decided that something that iconic needed flavour in line with modern design < 1364531107 241861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, modern flavour < 1364531125 985851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason they don't like doing walls any more < 1364531138 700364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not exactly the same, but similar < 1364531143 708078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with much of their decisions. < 1364531158 762325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the rule that +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters cancel each other out < 1364531179 60695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that was designed to make it easier to track things when people were playing lorwyn/shadowmoor constructed < 1364531195 971734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I know; still, I would have done it differently such as using two colors of countres < 1364531201 381779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only they put it into the future sight rules update to confuse people < 1364531211 443198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think their idea was that people might not have two colors of counters < 1364531230 12510 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Future Sight. < 1364531239 198477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion, their rules are not mathematically elegant enough! < 1364531282 295371 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364531307 513159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steamflogger Boss. < 1364531314 72065 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assemble" *still* has no meaning. < 1364531320 452618 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor are there any contraptions. < 1364531333 397547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha, I've been thinking about steamflogger boss from the angle of "what would the rules have to look like for steamflogger boss to be correctly templated" < 1364531357 263089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've come to such interesting conclusions as "protection probably works against assembly", and "assembly most likely happens in the combat step or it wouldn't be templated like that" < 1364531393 940127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was clearly added as a joke (the way to tell that is that the card is pretty good in limited even if you ignore the assemble line as meaningless, which it is) < 1364531412 346521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually really upset that the reminder text on Tarmogoyf /wasn't/ a joke, I'm upset about planeswalkers < 1364531421 559527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't directly drive me from Magic, but they were a contributing factor < 1364531429 576063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, Lorwyn was the set that drove me away from Magic) < 1364531458 370310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the implementation of planeswalkers either, nor do I like the name "planeswalkers" (by confusion with "plainswalk") < 1364531470 342205 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Planeswalkers are kinda lame. < 1364531512 317585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually the reason plainswalk is so rarely used is to prevent it being muddled with planeswalkers (which existed in flavour since alpha, but only got cards in lorwyn) < 1364531539 541641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my main concrete complaint is that they indirectly made combo more degenerate < 1364531547 833958 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants Nicole Bolas, Plains < 1364531548 803763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I think they are klugy due to flavour often too < 1364531550 353848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combo decks used to have to defend while they were assembling their combo, but if you're capable of defending while building something up, why not use a planeswalker insetad? < 1364531568 791587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is not bad though. I would have done it like this: There is a type "Playercard" which, when in play, is a player as well as an object. Its life total is equal to the number of life counters it has. It is the teammate of its controller. It does not normally get a turn. If it wins or loses the game, it is discarded. < 1364531582 326133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as such, the only combo decks that survived are the degenerate noninteractive ones based on speed rather than defending < 1364531611 556014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you see what happened to Modern recently, btw? < 1364531622 927259 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1364531637 514076 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not been following it too much of late. < 1364531646 374504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be a shortcut for a new kind of activated ability which says "+1:" or "-3:" or whatever to add/remove that many life counters and tap in order to use the activated ability, and it can only be used as a sorcery. This kind of ability should be given a name so that other effects can refer to it. < 1364531660 17102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they recently banned Bloodbraid Elf (and a few other cards, but that's the relevant one for this), because they thought the dominating deck, Jund, was winning too much < 1364531667 331852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they banned a card that Jund was good at using and other decks didn't use < 1364531675 128238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like that they removed mana burn. Mana burn has a strategic use. < 1364531677 330605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few people were upset about that reason for banning < 1364531682 27662 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Stupid. < 1364531686 86845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the new best deck is Eggs < 1364531689 460415 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It was also very nicely flavorful. < 1364531705 523474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a combo deck that's mostly non-interactive (unless the opponent adds cards like Seal of Fire to help counter it) < 1364531710 715406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and takes /ages/ to go off < 1364531718 663155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but I am not worrying about flavor *at all*. < 1364531723 917554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recently, someone played it against Brian Kibler (one of the top players), played the combo < 1364531732 750871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he just walked off to go to the toilet as they were playing the combo < 1364531739 433089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were still going when he came back < 1364531739 765768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do like is changing "removed from game" zone to "exile" zone, since it is actually still a part of the game. < 1364531769 640808 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a good change. < 1364531776 134132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, basically the new best deck is one that ruins tournament timing < 1364531787 527899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree; I do like the change of the name of this zone. < 1364531792 846426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving 5 extra turns hurts when a single turn can take half an hour even if the players are playing as fast as possible < 1364531800 839525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think everyone likes the change to "exile"; I know I do < 1364531812 24383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dubious about "battlefield", though, because it makes the cards so much longer than the old wording < 1364531855 161757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I too am dubious about "battlefield". It doesn't seem very good to me. Maybe "in play" isn't so good either; my other suggestion is "active zone" or "permanent zone", but they may be a bit confusing too. < 1364531873 769141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would have changed the name of the other zones too, but they aren't as important. They are: "draw pile" instead of "library", and "discard pile" instead of "graveyard".) < 1364531923 458429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of the state-based effects rules that make creatures not attached to anything? < 1364531935 430732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't happen to like those state-based effects. < 1364531998 131808 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that having a backwards-compatible PS3 is pretty nice. < 1364532015 891036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: presumably they're needed to resolve a situation that rarely comes up < 1364532150 734313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that confuses me more is the rule that spells can't be made to target themselves < 1364532150 981385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure which problem that solves < 1364532150 981561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but they removed that feature, as well as the other feature which they marketed. Now both of the important features are gone. < 1364532150 981673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess it's similar to the idea of preventing enchantments enchanting themselves < 1364532151 188814 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: My PS3 is a BC one. < 1364532151 189002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it /is/ possible to get enchantments to enchant each other in a loop, though, and that doesn't cause any problems) < 1364532151 189114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, and I do not think it is a problem to make such a loop. < 1364532151 396800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's also possible to get a permanent with no types, and that's not a problem either < 1364532151 396998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I meant was the rule that an Aura that is also a creature is discarded. I think that rule is really klugy and stupid; I think it should be allowed! < 1364532151 397113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it acts much like an enchantment or artifact would < 1364532151 397225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being an enchantment/artifact < 1364532151 397415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that should be OK too, to have a permanent with no types. < 1364532190 349626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if it's possible to have a permanent that's just a tribal < 1364532192 172515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no other types < 1364532200 734215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think the rule that a land is not played as its other card type is not a very good rule to have. If it has no mana cost you cannot play it as the other card type anyways, otherwise you might be able to if that rule did not exist, and if you do so, it uses the stack. < 1364532213 802377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be a contradiction in the rules < 1364532336 550245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a state-baesd effect that makes token cease to exist if out of play. I don't like that rule, and would rather have the token cease to exist right away due to lacking initial state. (This also means tokens can be on the stack and enter play just fine; and I think copies of spells ought to be tokens too) < 1364532508 663593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would break all the cards which trigger on tokens going from play to the graveyard < 1364532586 524219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually, according to what I was thinking, it wouldn't. It would still trigger, but there would be no object to do. The object still moves, but as part of the object moving, a new object is created and this step is simply skipped. < 1364532620 325927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, there are lots of cards that say "whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from play" or the like, those work on tokens < 1364532639 168479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there are commonly used tricks like flickering enemy tokens to get rid of them permanently < 1364532658 954446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, what I am thinking, I would intend, those to still work. Flickering tokens to get rid of them permanently would still work too. < 1364532988 501122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly due to them changing the rules all the time and making new cards, they keep changing things to make it intending to work, which makes it really klugy. < 1364533010 366347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, make up another game, make up the mathematically elegant version of the rules. < 1364533327 946030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another rule is that losing due to unable to draw a card is a state-based effect. I think it ought to be immediate instead, as part of the meaning of "draw a card". (This means that if you have "Pay 1 life: Target player draws a card." that even if you have 1 life remaining and opponent has no cards, you can still win. I don't know if any such situation exists with existing cards; do you know?) < 1364533387 602809 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't work. < 1364533395 979505 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The life payment is a cost. < 1364533405 868986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, you are correct. I missed that. < 1364533412 979253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pay that cost to put the "Target player draws a card" ability on the stack, so... < 1364533424 535945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe like this it might work: "Pay 1 life: A player of your choice draws a card. Add {1} to your mana pool." Would that work? < 1364533437 604273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :water++ < 1364533439 25616 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd give it the right speed, yeah. < 1364534180 278038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you have to remove the "target" or it isn't a mana ability any more < 1364534928 323755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "{T}: Add {0} to your mana pool." a mana ability, or not? < 1364534972 615325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is. < 1364535080 120749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it isn't, because it doesn't actually add mana to a mana pool < 1364535556 776561 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364535674 5868 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1364535685 463354 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the oculus rift comes out, 3D will be infinitely more important that it is now < 1364535686 375637 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1364535689 246316 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not a 3d esolang? < 1364535705 570336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are some esolangs in 3D, and even some in 4D < 1364535716 46146 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1364535726 343231 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are they interesting? < 1364535951 651542 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "{T}: Add {1} to your mana pool. Remove {1} from your mana pool." < 1364535970 759211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I bet there's some crazy way to break that :) < 1364535973 727771 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hell. "{1}: Add {1} to your mana pool." < 1364535993 630409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I know zzo38 is upset about the removal of mana burn < 1364535998 66953 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, there is a crazy way to make it *slightly useful*. < 1364536000 220850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but IMO they should have gone further and removed the mana pool altogether < 1364536004 495330 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick it on a snow permanent. < 1364536018 542058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Candelabra of Tawnos is one of the most expensive cards around < 1364536033 174937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just "{X}, {T}: Untap X target lands" < 1364536044 634898 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is broken in very subtle ways. < 1364536061 661441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364536077 763756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you're playing High Tide anyway… < 1364536133 692709 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1364537970 138449 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1364538108 792731 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw pbrain.c and had to call it from OpenCOBOL, extending it to cbrain. Takes numbers among other bloats. Posting on Discussion, OpenCOBOL project on SourceForge. < 1364538176 796254 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364538396 533725 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364540466 444713 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364541099 602190 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-68-165.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1364542588 820083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy < 1364542591 69853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we missed you < 1364542593 127562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1364542593 322060 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364542601 604466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist < 1364542603 294146 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist: shachaf monqy elliott < 1364542608 768452 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye i saw < 1364542629 726264 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1364542663 200043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 0xC2 is a magic UTF-8 prefix. < 1364542744 737853 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364542796 872487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so why didn't you `smlist < 1364542810 937539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows how long "i've been deprived'" < 1364542832 333204 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1364542863 857356 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought someone removed the lists < 1364542880 647028 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1364542940 4316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i re < 1364542949 136989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i 4removed the someone < 1364542981 814476 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1364543023 695789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you say a bit of "monqy "wisdom"" < 1364543032 902810 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i can try < 1364543036 395009 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- monqy wisdom < 1364543040 705455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good wisdom < 1364543328 41585 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364543352 869522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :any others < 1364543364 535290 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364543414 391081 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364543474 988261 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i said no would that be 'paradoxical' < 1364543477 803640 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- monqy wisdom < 1364543501 591102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: tell me this: is there any paradox better than curry's paradox < 1364543512 702386 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough question < 1364543519 931063 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry's paradox is pretty dang good < 1364543553 253741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1364543560 695476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was a better paradox it would have to be < 1364543561 355842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1364543563 476602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty dang better < 1364543587 369920 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just be a little bit better it'd still be better but just a little bit probably not worth the bother < 1364543634 841148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't say it would be a lot better < 1364543643 190169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that better than "pretty dang good" is "pretty dang better" < 1364543656 623970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not good at comapring......... < 1364543662 305406 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=/ < 1364543863 750483 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-195-9.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364544014 529948 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-195-9.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Freefall is great! < 1364544069 329287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did i ask you about modal logic yet < 1364544127 972875 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1364544375 381982 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-195-9.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364544392 333539 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an esolang, based on pbrain, developed for embedding in COBOL. Way fun. < 1364544566 498029 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it, this is a place to brag about such things? Or is it to be played all humble 'n shit? ;-) < 1364544702 163593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make a description on the esolang wiki? < 1364544730 181248 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364544795 425610 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. 4am, and just posting to a few forums so far. < 1364545051 219237 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cbrain was fun. cbrain, cbrain run. .cb files, so the repl gets to terminate with CB slang, We gone. I broke BF and added numbers, as the intent is to write something semi useful and add easier access to bit fields and xor etc, from COBOL. < 1364546122 806949 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db420ee.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rdoux < 1364546649 397592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making languages based on BF is usually a bad idea < 1364546701 699870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually, yes. < 1364546717 535349 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous BF < 1364546729 900442 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no discreet time steps, cells, or cell values. < 1364546745 24908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that work? < 1364546750 641902 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure! < 1364546775 113541 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would likely need a continuous version of a BF program, somehow. (formulated as an equation), and something to bind it together < 1364546900 70796 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364546984 374810 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364547215 499918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea I have is "Esoteric Verilog" which adds such things as quantum computing, halting oracles, more values of logic which do various strange things, INTERCAL's ABSTAIN, REINSTATE, IGNORE, REMEMBER, bit interleave, mechanical components, time travel, command for demons in your nose, etc < 1364547260 524180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what you do is you average cells with nearby cells to some extent, sort-of like a delay line < 1364547270 855498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use single bits, 1 or 0 or values in between due to averaging < 1364547287 185140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it is impossible both in hardware and in software, and possibly some of it may be impossible even in mathematics) < 1364547296 542569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the [] command both loops and doesn't loop, depending on the value, both branches are calculated and the results averaged depending on the value < 1364547309 386931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you do [] on a 0.2, the inside of the loop contributes 0.2 to the tape, the outside contributes 0.8 < 1364547316 930610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(O, reversible computing too, I forgot that one) < 1364547324 70787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it properly continuous, < and > should move approximately one element, not exactly one element < 1364547346 488748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd have to have some threads which were busy going around reshaping to make it work < 1364547411 954957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, this'd be a nightmare to implement due to combinatorial explosion < 1364547413 529859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm < 1364547417 19508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the threads all share a tape < 1364547425 765923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could simply keep track of the relative strengths of the various IPs < 1364547429 721318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add them together as an optimization < 1364547447 772417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you only have to maintain one float for each command in the input program, that should be doable < 1364547572 539596 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was thinking < 1364547575 481618 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take BFJoust syntax < 1364547577 264132 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :()*x < 1364547581 376901 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And let x be a floating point value < 1364547585 761102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1364547640 436592 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1364547643 17671 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local conclusion of this is < 1364547645 889436 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Continuous BF Joust" < 1364547650 504283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be an easy way to get non-integers on the tape < 1364547688 58987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this "BF2K" concept is at least as interesting as Befunge2K (which I haven't written up yet, but it's basically Befunge 98 except that every command but # and ; has an x% chance of doing nothing) < 1364547689 833547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more so < 1364547726 288070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good < 1364547743 348758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saw an account creation, was worried it was a spambot < 1364547747 5417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's btiffin < 1364547757 941613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having new users not be spambots is good, saves me the effort of having to clean up after them < 1364547798 312479 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how continuous BF Joust would work out < 1364547809 313763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to :) < 1364547812 839119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go, anyway < 1364547817 386871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1364547824 189023 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal is to set the opponent's flag to (-0.5, 0.5) for 2.0 time steps < 1364548330 276570 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cbrain info posted to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Cbrain < 1364548429 940766 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364548838 358854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: OK, thanks for posting information < 1364548921 436903 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I brag now? :-) This is fun. < 1364548946 393523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you prefer to. < 1364549005 235254 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cb files, 10-4 good buddy speak? < 1364549006 451987 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: next up, do continuous befunge < 1364549136 449697 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL now embeds Shakespeare, beatnik, pbrain and cbrain. Is there a way to filter esolangs.org by language of implementation? C in particular, it being such a search friendly letter? < 1364549255 817628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1364549305 207745 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any human hints? (he asked, all smiley and hopeful) < 1364549338 639379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1364549348 652834 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous Brainfuck... < 1364549376 450819 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] take up 0 time steps each. An empty, or infinitesimal inner loop is an error. < 1364549413 201823 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, or they take 1.0 time step, and treat the value as the average during that time.... < 1364549416 238603 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK which is more BF-like < 1364551473 209962 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364551548 99761 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364551646 993578 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364552363 971026 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1364552367 670367 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric < 1364552809 407632 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364553083 306797 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364553856 480841 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:sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1364559004 377382 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ghc.io/ This is neat, although the help and about links don't seem to work < 1364559007 447505 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-195-9.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364559416 139093 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364559816 636141 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364559918 184361 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364560591 901740 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364560604 13664 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364560949 379973 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.193.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364561053 706791 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364561080 912478 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364561133 738232 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364561165 736241 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364561174 614460 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364562525 953365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364562756 894361 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364563316 338022 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364563701 481503 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364563873 199075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i wonder if they have any sandboxing beyond Safe Haskell < 1364563884 876136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this stage i really would not trust Safe Haskell by itself < 1364563886 854642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :defense in depth, yo < 1364564440 397438 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364564604 179390 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm going to try the Ix thing < 1364564641 729396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently you can't import Data.Array < 1364564691 886107 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364564733 524903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which thing is that? < 1364564738 199354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 interesting < 1364564738 397387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364564803 436635 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364564892 542527 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364564985 630956 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to remove your own entries from bfjoust? < 1364565051 13730 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sort of" < 1364565082 512638 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conventional way is just to replace them with suiciders. < 1364565086 364386 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace the program with < or something similar < 1364565163 566204 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust first_time_test_random_characters >>><>>++++.->><>>><><>.<><.>++>- < 1364565173 165907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wooden_ < < 1364565174 556898 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ThatOtherPerson_first_time_test_random_characters: 0.1 < 1364565176 337659 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for boily_wooden_: 0.0 < 1364565239 594911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Creating your own instance of Ix which always returns true for the bounds check < 1364565476 892912 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: isn't that like wilfully destroying bound-checking to have Haskell behave like C, and scrozzle random memory values? < 1364565899 98161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The whole point is that Data.Array is meant to be safe < 1364566416 226824 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364566464 304321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc does extra checks with Ix, aiui < 1364566464 501525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1364566470 147015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically for safety < 1364566555 774494 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to define an Evil instance of Ix, but so far no segfaults, no inconsistent behaviour. < 1364566566 137486 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you Haskell, for being conceptually and practically sound! < 1364566576 379913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it didn't use to do these checks < 1364566583 373994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the report allows skipping them < 1364566738 178652 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364567004 151102 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364567014 157396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: clever < 1364567036 791074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah FreeFull was talking about ways to circumvent the type system in order to compromise a remote code execution service < 1364567061 779473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't call GHC Haskell "sound" in this way; there are many many ways to bypass the type system < 1364567067 991639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SafeHaskell tries to forbid them one by one < 1364567070 305670 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, hello there. < 1364567083 809142 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364567084 56220 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364567096 202743 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364567102 727853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, the GHC RTS is a 50,000 line multithreaded C / assembly program < 1364567114 650750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've found nasty bugs in the past and there will be more < 1364567127 219254 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to create a programming language ontop of JS < 1364567152 218073 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language on top of JS? what do you mean < 1364567156 211286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and the rest of the world < 1364567159 231065 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedded language? < 1364567166 714838 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something that compiles to JS? < 1364567167 608377 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why < 1364567170 570192 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS sucks sooo much < 1364567170 846255 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, a language coded in JS, that takes input and displays output < 1364567188 656234 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is portable - so it can work with both OSes in my dual boot < 1364567194 962891 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bad reason < 1364567196 767046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm starting to think you might not be a fan of JS < 1364567203 760177 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of languages have cross platfrom implemetnations < 1364567209 830214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what other language is portable? pretty much all of them < 1364567211 838872 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i hate javascript more every day < 1364567217 624501 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a curse?? < 1364567224 421495 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's ok because it's javascript < 1364567243 923733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a harrowing cautionary tale to be sure < 1364567268 140931 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah whatever, start criticising my reason! I'm fed up of destructive criticism. Make it constructive and I'll take notice! < 1364567280 859679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: you didn't ask an actual question yet < 1364567297 686345 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that's because I don't have one to ask yet < 1364567299 504167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364567303 465899 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite, there are other cross-platform backends than Javascript < 1364567304 596057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad that's settled then < 1364567311 464094 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Java's JVM < 1364567323 466172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just compile twice < 1364567325 675323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example C or C++ or C# or Perl or Python or Ruby or god forbid PHP < 1364567326 372525 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't learnt Java yet < 1364567338 846043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: I suggest Python < 1364567341 159451 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# is Microsoft's Java < 1364567342 978417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great language to know < 1364567354 627384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is also a great langauge to know < 1364567360 125770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't discourage you from doing this in JS < 1364567368 92681 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know JS but not Python < 1364567396 67216 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is a lesson in how not to design a language < 1364567404 446073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: C# is also just a better language than Java; it has the same concepts as Java, but more of the features you need to use those concepts without hating yourself < 1364567412 695165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile and run C# on Linux < 1364567423 99947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it's "industrial strength" but it works for a personal project anyway < 1364567446 724146 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any languages even well designed < 1364567454 118823 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I do know C# but I don't want to compile anything. Javascript is portable without any compiling, because it's embedded in HTML. < 1364567473 296629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think Ruby does OOP better than C# < 1364567477 190418 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's easier to tell when one is better than another < 1364567548 774515 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if you designed a language in a week or two < 1364567555 14162 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then literally everyone on earth uses it < 1364567561 219333 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"~javascript~" < 1364567616 67450 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript took committe many years to design < 1364567621 916703 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow it hasn't gotten any fucking better < 1364567622 445964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript would be ok if it didn't do a lot of questionable things < 1364567630 906288 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything javascript does is questionable < 1364567667 67027 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/jBXjUf "running C# in my browser" < 1364567763 563974 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear at least discrepencies between js implementations have lessened? even ecma is insane though i suggest reading it < 1364567807 37675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :js committee work has been much more about standardising implementations in practice than changing things hasnt it < 1364567824 549354 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1364567859 576789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be the pedantic guy and point out that JavaScript is not always embedded in HTML < 1364567871 402300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's server side code or embedded in a GTK+ app or embedded in PostgreSQL server < 1364567875 622791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't confuse the language with the platform < 1364567883 476302 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, we know < 1364567890 944513 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but it was designed to be < 1364567921 987406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i think picking a language on the basis of which one "does OOP" better is questionable < 1364567929 963571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact is that nobody is very consistent about what OOP even means < 1364567935 771119 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364567945 342358 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should code in Haskell < 1364567956 19185 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can create a programming language in Haskell < 1364567965 507360 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by create a language in haskell < 1364567969 686778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can create a programming language implementation in Haskell < 1364568015 760192 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if I've not defined a language yet at all < 1364568023 35863 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the case < 1364568044 262763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the language and implementation evolve at the same time most likely < 1364568103 588594 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be BF < 1364568121 359311 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364568180 410047 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I start off on < 1364568233 493728 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1364568246 982075 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my "flesh out your ideas" answer < 1364568247 421698 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :any tips < 1364568249 773936 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my other answer is < 1364568260 431346 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do you have a problem that you want to solve with programming languages" < 1364568262 289732 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :any code to start on < 1364568268 766027 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make a ``domain specific language`` < 1364568277 273489 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even make an ``embedded domain specific language`` < 1364568339 340545 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1364568389 181689 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello constant, write your value to stdout < 1364568412 136836 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :∞ < 1364568461 4473 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello constant, return your value so I can calculate constant divided by 0 < 1364568472 129952 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1364568502 193945 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Constants can only change values in between run times < 1364568513 169550 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm a mutable constant < 1364568536 939123 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Halite doesn't support mutable constants. Assuming you are a variable. < 1364568587 595400 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION segfaults Halite  < 1364568609 919057 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFO: Halite has recovered from a segmentation fault. < 1364568653 696437 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehehehe < 1364568658 442337 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is happy today < 1364568662 474525 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you later < 1364568678 942517 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives constant away as resource for other programs to use < 1364568734 90519 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait which is the bot? < 1364568745 903325 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364568770 904413 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assigns constant to a write-only variable < 1364568810 877194 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deletes constant < 1364568823 644722 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deletes variable < 1364568893 860204 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364568924 532170 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364568955 628640 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364568992 274049 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364569019 345467 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364569145 694522 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: oh no! < 1364569153 326115 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: haha < 1364569754 816929 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, neither? < 1364569787 683092 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1364569804 582432 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains the non-near-instantaneous response times < 1364569813 706846 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1364569815 303595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1364569828 474869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's quicker than usual, which somewhat defeats my point < 1364569912 28217 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`haha < 1364569913 387258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: haha: not found < 1364569914 474952 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`say hi < 1364569915 670648 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: say: not found < 1364569934 755847 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run let a = 2 in a*2 < 1364569936 155845 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: let: =: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "=") < 1364569951 865729 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is haskell < 1364569953 971421 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1364569954 217203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1364569959 694849 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halite < 1364569963 756065 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember what happened last time < 1364569980 5210 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1364570001 181697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 2 in a*2 < 1364570001 376840 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc < 1364570002 760698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1364570006 257623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: no input files \ Usage: For basic information, try the `--help' option. < 1364570013 323264 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 4 in a/0 < 1364570014 934668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1364570021 697291 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0/0 < 1364570023 72277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1364570051 19518 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364570645 354150 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1364570829 649504 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/-0 < 1364570831 219109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `/-' < 1364570831 414089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1364570831 414290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `-' (imported from P... < 1364570834 354366 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PART #esoteric :"Hug~♪" < 1364570837 660833 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1364570841 706900 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/(-0) < 1364570843 81287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1364570845 694884 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/(-0) - 1/0 < 1364570847 229103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1364570850 196061 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/(-0) + 1/0 < 1364570851 642628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1364570923 914373 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let checkLawsOfMath x y = (x - x == 0) && (x - y == x + (-y)) in checkLawsOfMath 1/0 1/(-0) < 1364570925 472273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Bool) < 1364570925 666762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1364570932 68618 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1364570953 881547 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364571027 864980 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: More brackets < 1364571074 135006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let checkLawsOfMath x y = ((x - x) == 0) && ((x - y) == (x + (-y))) in checkLawsOfMath (1/0) (1/(-0)) < 1364571076 77602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364571076 940252 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364571093 708485 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some might be unnecessary < 1364571769 968459 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364571968 530181 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364572003 952062 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364572127 125874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364572588 906698 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364573312 28408 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's math laws are bugged < 1364573785 931978 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1364573828 580024 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> throw "No instance for (GHC.Real..." < 1364573830 129810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `throw' < 1364573835 26883 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ERROR < 1364573836 602798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `ERROR' < 1364573852 798330 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> data Error = String < 1364573854 204828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input `data' < 1364573873 790028 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you forget what happened last time < 1364573882 143010 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why < 1364573903 739170 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> parse error on input 'parse error on input 'parse error on input 'parse error on input 'parse error on input 'parse error on input 'parse error on input 'parse error on input < 1364573905 644288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `parse'Not in scope: `input'Syntax error on 'parse < 1364573905 840369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps y... < 1364573920 730652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is going well < 1364573922 67791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite, please < 1364573923 529224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1364573939 213283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1364573940 636385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1364573946 776299 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let phantom_hoover = 0 in let rdococ = 100 in rdococ > phantom_hoover < 1364573948 404260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1364573970 821661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... please < 1364573972 367045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1364573993 694498 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1364573999 396195 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this will come as a surprise to you given your repeated behavior but < 1364574005 680744 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't like it when you spam bot nonsense < 1364574010 676140 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's irritating < 1364574040 927582 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really help it for a long time < 1364574046 945008 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how you got banned from #haskell < 1364574054 372683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Halite < 1364574056 298476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can help < 1364574057 205327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1364574058 767815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stop < 1364574134 331725 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second < 1364574145 120350 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was banned forever < 1364574425 654383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite, the solution to this is really quite simple: before doing any bot command, put a /msg before it. < 1364574501 940898 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364574519 900933 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364574533 184409 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just < 1364574536 773252 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/query lambdabot < 1364574670 917048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as foolproof < 1364574735 501548 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364574746 737356 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364575369 927780 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1364575381 433745 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it me or is that guy walking on the water in one of the frames from xkcd's time < 1364575412 313736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1364575484 353430 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.aubronwood.com/ < 1364575545 846291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, another one of those < 1364575555 581205 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364575561 361662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one? < 1364575575 597371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... high concept strips < 1364575613 716052 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer flipbooks! < 1364575671 345520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of liked the latest xkcd; am I going soft < 1364575697 409523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/FileSys good new esolang < 1364575766 974442 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what's the original comic do < 1364575772 43788 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change based on time of day? < 1364575827 534989 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traditional sense < 1364576080 222663 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I think there's a new frame every half hour or so < 1364576100 335041 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it's not just time of day < 1364576103 901634 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how long it is < 1364576301 363618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364576313 799450 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364577205 308883 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364577345 403580 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364578275 28604 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364578510 299417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're going soft hth < 1364578558 90596 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on forums.xkcd.com, the thread about that comic is insane in every sense. < 1364578574 562845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many senses are there... < 1364578601 713183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'll rely on you to continue hatin' < 1364578620 449197 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing the senses of insane will drive you insanely sensed. < 1364578718 737348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an area of the mind that could be called unsane, beyond sanity, and yet not insane. Think of a circle with a fine split in it. At one end there's insanity. You go around the circle to sanity, and on the other end of the circle, close to insanity, but not insanity, is unsanity. < 1364578787 593072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define that in topological terms < 1364578810 290504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read somewhere, a circle with one point missing is called a pathocircle. < 1364578835 341440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it called an open interval < 1364578869 623802 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1364578994 6563 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to think of my sanity in terms of a tesseract. < 1364579030 803017 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the weird science-fiction thing from that avengers film? < 1364579047 599406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cube in 4D < 1364579080 44215 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooh < 1364579084 829571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :often seen unfolded into 3D like so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tesseract2.svg < 1364579086 95496 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't they say so then < 1364579091 950937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_(Corpus_Hypercubus) < 1364579157 491877 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how serious that first sentence is < 1364579163 778496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this was Ayn Rand's favorite painting :/ < 1364579169 206543 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deviates from traditional crucifixions by being totally different < 1364579186 200380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, this must have been a calculated move < 1364579194 445299 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ of saint john on the cross is a better dalicifixion imo < 1364579241 847513 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows that the crux is fiction < 1364579255 819827 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current sanity level is therefore represented as a two-dimensional portion of the tesseract. < 1364579270 710416 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of this, I am frequently both sane and insane at the same time. < 1364579276 346254 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with numerous other things. < 1364579299 467589 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m-hm < 1364579302 344790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like zzo38 < 1364579392 577344 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something comething complaint something "insane" as medical term is obsolete something fomething < 1364579441 334770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well said < 1364579462 543906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn fomething denotes the obsolescence of clinical insanity. < 1364579466 833670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1364579530 165779 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :momething popething < 1364579554 914497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good painting < 1364579581 820428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most striking change Dali makes from nearly every other crucifixion painting concerns the cross. Instead of painting Christ on a wooden cross, Dali depicts Him upon the net of a hypercube, also known as a tesseract. < 1364579585 768283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you literally just said that wikipedia < 1364579616 639112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :She felt a connection between John Galt’s defiance over his torture in her novel Atlas Shrugged and Dali’s portrayal of Christ in the painting.[6] < 1364579619 645077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o lord < 1364579619 846105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, told you. < 1364579629 57360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dogs have a temporal resolution of between 60 and 70 Hz, which explains why many dogs struggle to watch television < 1364579654 803138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: atlas shrugged is basically about wacking galt repeatedly with a giant platonic solid < 1364579694 313950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may not be a rule in poker, but athletes do get in trouble for not trying hard enough sometimes < 1364579714 635268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the Christ on a tesseract in some book < 1364579722 487628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the olympics, competitors from the same country will conspire to draw, and such < 1364579765 299920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you hear about that football game < 1364579775 3712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the other team deliberately scored own goals < 1364579783 468881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fantastic let me find it < 1364579795 278856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barbados was leading 2-0 until the 83rd minute, when Grenada scored, making it 2-1. Approaching the dying moments, the Barbadians realized they had little chance of scoring past Grenada's mass defense in the time available, so they deliberately scored an own goal to tie the game at 2-2. This would send the game into extra time and give them another half hour to break down the defense. The Grenadians realized what was happening and attempted to score < 1364579802 267931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that get cut off < 1364579804 927257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Grenadians realized what was happening and attempted to score an own goal as well, which would put Barbados back in front by one goal and would eliminate Barbados from the competition. < 1364579808 181682 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attempted to score < 1364579808 917645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the Barbados players started defending their opposition's goal to prevent them from doing this, and during the game's last five minutes, the fans were treated to the incredible sight of Grenada trying to score in either goal while Barbados defended both ends of the pitch. < 1364579809 926696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364579811 517053 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. ok. < 1364579813 792200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barbados successfully held off Grenada for the final five minutes, sending the game into extra time. In extra time, Barbados notched the game-winner, and, according to the rules, was awarded a 4-2 victory, which put them through to the next round.[1][2][3] < 1364579841 344697 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say that football seems like kind of a letdown after The Play but that, that's amazing < 1364579844 245290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why didn't barbados just leave the game at 2-1 < 1364579857 485269 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they needed to win by two to continue the tourney < 1364579859 294090 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing < 1364579863 65395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :football isn't one of those dumb sports where you need to win by 2 is it? < 1364579888 593710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grenada went into the match with a superior goal difference, meaning that Barbados needed to win by two goals to progress to the finals. The trouble was caused by two things. First, unlike most group stages in football competitions, the organizers had deemed that all games must have a winner. < 1364579891 576033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the case then they should have extra time if the teams are within 1 < 1364579892 900277 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it soundedlike it < 1364579893 734581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All games drawn over 90 minutes would go to sudden death extra time. Secondly and most importantly, there was an unusual rule which stated that in the event of a game going to sudden death extra time the goal would count double, meaning that the winner would be awarded a two goal victory. < 1364579895 201515 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty usual in sports to have how much you win by being a factor, doesn't it < 1364579898 584327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for not giving the context!!! < 1364579899 620906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about that football game. Some people called it mad. I call it OK. < 1364579908 278431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok so they made up stupid rules and it broke < 1364579914 235331 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, y'all know The Play, right. < 1364579924 746975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: by broke do you mean went beautifully < 1364579930 976684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1364579934 882469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i am learning right now < 1364579935 701433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't remember what it refers to < 1364579947 315223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think their current tournament score just required them to win by 2. < 1364579950 958325 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the college football game where they had to dodge tuba players < 1364579961 145230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1364580413 654831 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to gut'n'paste on the new cbrain entry at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Cbrain and put stop to any wrongs I may be committing. < 1364580487 103893 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh do people use opencobol? i thought cobol was only used in enterprisey banky things nowadays < 1364580497 192773 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent you seen the cobol video < 1364580503 521456 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cobol on cogs! < 1364580512 570323 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cogs is awesome. < 1364580513 94954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better than Erlang: The Movie? < 1364580514 640395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen the cobol video. < 1364580528 997463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart cobold < 1364580530 404856 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh i forget where the cobol video is < 1364580532 155529 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cogs i have seen, but, i mean seriously. < 1364580533 158360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a song that goes 1 2 3 4 5 6 COBOL! 1 2 3 4 5 6 COBOL! < 1364580553 966505 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Add1ToCOBOL Open Source Cobol and OpenCobol advocacy site" now we're talking. < 1364580577 266954 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not just cobol. we're cobol + 1 < 1364580580 560727 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it says on their site. < 1364580588 670347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cobol++ < 1364580590 212707 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Bike; I keep the OpenCOBOL FAQ at http://opencobol.add1tocobol.com/ So much fun gluing COBOL to C things. < 1364580590 407504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1364580608 308079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microfocus.com/assets/sol-VC-banner-new.jpg < 1364580610 972618 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://add1tocobol.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Screen-shot-2010-11-22-at-3.55.43-PM1.png I think the main problem here is using a non-fixed-width font!!! < 1364580640 830174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K: Cobalt's metal, hard and shining; \ Cobol's wordy and confining; \ KOBOLDS topple when you strike them; \ Don't feel bad, it's hard to like them. \ -- The Roguelet's ABC < 1364580652 955654 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could remember where the cobol video is it's realyl good < 1364580693 369737 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL has historically been very secretive and low key. Its domain of use being very secretive and low key. COBOL programmers rarely work on systems that would allow for open internet chat regarding details, let alone existence. < 1364580704 695509 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364580714 754550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1364580719 699466 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yeah, part the add1to team like the wordpress. ;-) We hang out on SourceForge now at https://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/ < 1364580732 361949 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I see what you did there! you're trying to imply that COBOL exists more than CANADA! < 1364580735 562936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure your payroll software for a midsize paper company is SUPER TOP SECRET < 1364580748 452884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL programmers live the lifestyle of the international spy < 1364580780 97173 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is i honestly have no reason not to believe that cobol isn't great for business work but this is still hilariously written < 1364580780 292116 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try and implement http://esolangs.org/wiki/COBOL the card language in COBOL, the yeah, that one. < 1364580805 343235 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364580835 624654 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :common poker-oriented language < 1364580859 17917 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFxEW435R28 this isn't the cobol video but it's good too < 1364580900 27220 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, CGI integration. We can make cogs a reality < 1364580921 937692 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364580953 13403 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even somebody worried about "my COBOL conundrum" says "apps", huh. < 1364580974 656501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i write iPhone apps in COBOL and why not < 1364580977 447162 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) Get to the Vala, and GTK, then the Shakespeare. ;-) < 1364581018 160632 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: according to this video you can use java and stuff with it! < 1364581026 621325 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, raspberry pi runs COBOL, and android phones, can't testify to iOS. < 1364581027 332384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1364581029 653134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :java and stuff < 1364581041 742459 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUrdX9xJx58 ooh i think this one might be the cobol video < 1364581048 86988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a professional cobol programmer is known as a "coballer" < 1364581051 535518 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the COBOL guys and the other language developers can all work together, using the same tools. < 1364581060 416022 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss yessssss im pretty sure this is it < 1364581120 336098 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg she says rewriting in another language is what everyone else is doing < 1364581123 52005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be novel. use cobol < 1364581128 40467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364581146 579738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cobol programmers will work for less pay just for the chance to use cobol at work < 1364581166 881808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admire the people who came up with these advertisements. If someone paid me to advertise COBOL I would be at a loss. < 1364581173 837521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and looking for cobol experience means you get only the most elite hackers -- those who learned cobol for fun just because < 1364581215 798275 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: only the most elite hackers < 1364581240 621140 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the enterprise applications of the future into the next future. i am unfamiliar with this idiom < 1364581253 795567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :detach the saucer section < 1364581257 647502 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 11 minutes of cobol praise < 1364581262 543668 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine < 1364581264 532782 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see Friday's terror kicking in. elite cobol hackers? < 1364581279 229557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friday's Terror would be a good name for a band < 1364581307 789713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Good Friday today, actually. < 1364581315 906005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1364581320 982387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like Man Friday < 1364581332 955784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Western christian calendar anyway < 1364581337 873499 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Man Friday Terror's Band. < 1364581341 321993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like COBOL then you can program in COBOL if you want to (whether or not you use CGI) < 1364581351 724083 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That is the case. < 1364581353 121169 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a nice enhancement might be ; "cobol-module-name", have cbrain call COBOL and stash the result at cell. hmm, then bf programmers could experience the bliss of the verbose < 1364581365 119669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes, the Orthodox might be different < 1364581381 181469 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So btiffin, you're a cobol programmer? do you do it at work? < 1364581395 820431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's May 3 i think < 1364581418 608623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude next year easter is on 4/20, for both calendars < 1364581420 570593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuuuuuuude < 1364581425 940392 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Moving beyond COBOL? Why? Move COBOL beyond.” seriously who wrote this < 1364581436 722907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is sometimes the same. < 1364581438 130641 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike; Nope, hobby. Grew up on assembler, career in Forth, REBOL and GNU/ Linux building < 1364581447 734788 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1364581449 398864 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define a band as a set of the form S \ T, where each of S and T can be written as the union of countably many closed sets. < 1364581457 617454 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone think of a specific set of real numbers that is not a band? < 1364581471 793751 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ddate 3 5 2013 < 1364581473 342688 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pungenday, Discord 50, 3179 YOLD < 1364581475 699952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: But can you program the Famicom in assembler? < 1364581493 183390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you ride with the console cowboys in cyberspace < 1364581501 488260 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's on discoflux. < 1364581502 723674 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fanboy of the OpenCOBOL, and zzo38, umm, not without some manuals. ;-) < 1364581505 839211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is more difficult because decimal mode doesn't work. < 1364581507 153472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh nice < 1364581523 889502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do you mean this year or next < 1364581536 362927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1364581572 856235 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how about normal numbers? < 1364581574 585346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: Of course I need some manuals too, but I am sure there are many. < 1364581595 947834 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this year fluxes. < 1364581603 106570 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ddate 20 4 2014 < 1364581604 512864 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting Orange, Discord 37, 3180 YOLD < 1364581606 983367 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: ooh, good one. < 1364581613 84396 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such luck for 2014's one. < 1364581618 904426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1364581621 371866 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And now I count myself a fan of Daniels, pbrain.c is a nice read. < 1364581625 387121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ddate 20 4 2013 < 1364581627 116369 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting Orange, Discord 37, 3179 YOLD < 1364581629 130002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1364581635 951828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ddate < 1364581637 342867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 15th day of Discord in the YOLD 3179 < 1364581652 160646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ddate 17 3 2013 < 1364581653 601838 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The OpenCOBOL Lua interface is defined at a very high level." < 1364581653 796160 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweetmorn, Discord 3, 3179 YOLD < 1364581660 928531 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems likely that the set of all normal numbers is not a band. < 1364581678 871934 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some extremely commented code < 1364581679 66126 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there uncountably many abnormal numbers? < 1364581695 609747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ddate have an option to use the Julian calendar for conversion, rather than Gregorian? < 1364581702 804252 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1364581723 953445 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the man page makes that probably very unprobable. < 1364581733 654524 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a pain, since ddate is specified to be in eternal harmony with Gregorian < 1364581738 354986 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I guess you could take an arbitrary sequence of digits and put a bunch of 1s into it. < 1364581741 800673 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. cantor set < 1364581751 135526 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, that too. < 1364581752 432396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "a pain" i mean "it would take any amount of effort" < 1364581784 774135 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of course using Scheme for financial calculations in an OpenCOBOL application would not be a smart usage. This is just a working sample." < 1364581787 916181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, but some people prefer Julian because the Principia Discordia, even though it says Gregorian, it also says that there is a leap year every four years, and that is how the Julian calendar works, not Gregorian. < 1364581791 927392 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-triviality of julianing ddate is non-homeopathic. < 1364581820 414971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you saying the discordia is flawed? pistols at dawn, sir < 1364581821 899902 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike; I have a blast cheerleading COBOL, in C space. < 1364581848 848433 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of those new fangled virtual reality games < 1364581850 955673 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: by "a blast" do you mean everybody making fun of you which i'm sort of doing right now actually, even though that's mean < 1364581860 614095 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fungot, what do you have to say about julians, gregors, and discordianism? < 1364581861 20106 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if any of the next and employees not to delete any email that i am not in good working condition before our members. < 1364581866 120892 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I know, and yep. Too much fun. < 1364581867 218501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It even says, do not believe anything you read (that includes itself, of course). < 1364581879 155141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore do not take it too much literally. < 1364581892 786195 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'm like, trying to be mean, but some of this ad copy is seriously ridiculous < 1364581928 841219 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm a fundamentalist. < 1364581943 81034 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how easily can you prove that the set of all normal numbers is not a band... < 1364581958 227814 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, fungot, what do you think of my tesseractian model of sanity? < 1364581958 646628 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: here you are, the month of a check. mark fillinger it development of the email that i mentioned on a voicemail. < 1364581965 850538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like religious fundamentalist, whether Christian or otherwise... < 1364581976 928215 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said. Pistols at dawn, sir. < 1364581993 109149 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one of your fundamental beliefs is that fundamentalists are bad? < 1364582019 984144 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this channel isn't exactly "a c space" < 1364582036 482326 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll accept that, and maybe tone it down someday Bike. I am a fan though and will likely continue the claims and woohoobisboombah. < 1364582054 136595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: Well, the religious "fundamentalists" I think are missing the point of a true religion, as far as I am concerned. That makes them a false religion. < 1364582060 448778 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: does cobol use manual or automatic memory management? < 1364582088 27149 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agree again Bike, just the vector that got me to cbrain, and Shakespeare and beatnik < 1364582100 752318 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck woohoobisboombah < 1364582100 946628 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1364582125 505122 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are fundamentally against fundamentalists, does that make you a fundamentalist? If so, are you then fundamentally against yourself? < 1364582142 180321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but that is not what I meant. < 1364582146 726938 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :... when I get like this it usually means I should go to sleep. < 1364582175 615398 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime ThatOtherPerson < 1364582176 706144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for ThatOtherPerson is Fri Mar 29 21:36:25 < 1364582192 271233 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9:36pm is usually a nice time to go to sleep. < 1364582201 218462 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes it is. < 1364582300 234636 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364582730 854434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1364583389 560058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kristians miss the entire point of Christianity. It is a *metaphor* to guide you in spiritual growth. Kristians ignore the deep meaning. The wisdom Christianity contains was borrowed from dozens of predecessor religions. Kristians use Christianity to keep themselves in a state of spiritual stupor. < 1364583407 681194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with this statement, and it applies to all religious mythology not only Christian. < 1364583425 460272 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kristian kreme < 1364583438 9312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364583459 6177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/5970af4f5925b41d2e0850a496bef0f8/tumblr_mkfce3sn6X1rhcorso1_1280.jpg < 1364583459 273513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a kristian < 1364583517 646035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This report defines "Kristian" as a false Christian; like the stupid stuff the fundamentalists do. < 1364583545 323422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :skotsman < 1364583550 794499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :klaymen < 1364583618 301448 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the revised^903 report on the belief system "nicean" < 1364583697 320221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, until i noticed the woman i thought the crab was committing suicide < 1364583768 799324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: revised⁹⁰³ < 1364583777 234753 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. perfect. < 1364584073 841894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks awful in my font < 1364584180 847 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364584184 941232 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :³ exists, but ⁹ and ⁰ are taken from a mysterious, unidentifiable fallback. < 1364584276 81140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1364584281 581556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the 3 is misaligned with the 9 and 0 < 1364584364 436115 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still haven't figured out how fontconfig works and chooses fonts. every contact I've had with it trying to configure that beast resulted in me losing on average ~570 ml of blood. < 1364584384 824589 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁰¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹ < 1364584393 36067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i only have 123 in terminus < 1364584396 104407 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing only ² and ³ look ok? < 1364584397 932677 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ¹ < 1364584415 760597 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here, no ⁽⁾⁻⁼⁺ in terminus. < 1364584455 499768 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364584478 497530 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I solve the Chinese Graphics Card Problem once and for all < 1364584480 486235 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I watch anime < 1364584505 797356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: s/Graphics Card // < 1364584513 931179 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do both at the same time? < 1364584520 544209 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364584531 86995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve it _with_ anime, duh < 1364584536 513574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you eat the blood you have previously lost? < 1364584545 942957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: didn't you say you solved it. < 1364584550 921419 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1364584554 169036 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I did < 1364584556 650615 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little did I know < 1364584563 63013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did your new graphics card turn out to be chinese too < 1364584565 701798 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That the problem had BARELY JUST BEGUN < 1364584586 387117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this problem can ever be truly solved < 1364584603 837087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Chinese Graphics Card Problem is known to be PSPACE-complete < 1364584613 4840 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nah, I keep it in 4D self-referential jars. < 1364584618 211719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh trying to do so will build character, moreso than watching anime < 1364584640 458799 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, even if said anime is ridiculawesome? < 1364584652 315479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreso still < 1364584673 830360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is Calvin's dad, it all makes sense now < 1364584697 37114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go and chop wood or something < 1364584804 535115 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :4D... < 1364584816 504376 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a tesseract in my living room < 1364584843 438581 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PART :#esoteric < 1364584846 478627 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wouldn't a tesseract just look like a wobbly cube?) < 1364584868 477635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Halite get to have a tesseract in his living room < 1364585007 539863 :mrtrop!~user1@ip98-167-228-120.ph.ph.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1364585104 847769 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe it's just a wobbly cube that looks like it could be a tesseract < 1364585147 849797 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a wobbly cube < 1364585161 907275 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's moving in the ana direction and I can't see it anymore < 1364585186 261460 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just moved in the kata direction back to its original position and I can see it now < 1364585204 256154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: you should grab a hold of it and travel into unknown dimensions < 1364585240 881493 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I can make it move in directions. I could use it to travel through dimensions! < 1364585248 697624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i would want a tesseract for, anyway < 1364585253 702282 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, hitching a ride on the tesseract... < 1364585276 789725 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool, there's a laptop in this dimension < 1364585292 13572 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a desktop computer! < 1364585306 57063 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 3ds < 1364585316 169162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you may be traveling in circles. or maybe you are an alternative Halite < 1364585348 773658 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Halite, I am exactly 2010 years old. It is the year 3013. < 1364585362 437599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be somewhat disappointing, traveling through dimensions and all looking the same < 1364585383 452339 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but I don't see the same < 1364585398 952699 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a desktop computer in an alternate dimension at the moment < 1364585408 716892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite is back? < 1364585410 957675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Halite how was the medieval age < 1364585420 560541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you banned or something? < 1364585432 262784 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, from haskell, not from here < 1364585444 322424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are 'ana' and 'kata' canonical names for directions in a fourth spatial dimension? < 1364585447 353943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1364585447 549173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364585453 622565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: iirc yes < 1364585458 598313 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, correct < 1364585473 167776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do cross products work in 4D or not < 1364585475 161532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr no < 1364585481 35087 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simply explained like this < 1364585494 610706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if the product is limited to non-trivial binary products with vector results, it exists only in three and seven dimensions" < 1364585495 885204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nope, you need to cross 3 vectors to get one back < 1364585532 354512 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take some 0D point. When you duplicate the point and move it in a new direction, you get a one-dimensional line. < 1364585550 802742 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364585556 291639 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the line and duplicate the line and move it in a new direction. You connect the lines and get a square. < 1364585575 587840 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the square and duplicate and move and connect blaryblar, you get a cube. < 1364585584 485098 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, for the 4D tesseract: < 1364585598 508352 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw this, I'm watching anime < 1364585609 805566 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the cube and duplicate it. Move the duplicate in a new direction and connect the cubes. You get a tesseract. < 1364585626 225435 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 何を見ているんだ? < 1364585677 580815 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw anime, I'm watching my tesseract < 1364585700 218346 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tesseract is as powerful as a spaceship < 1364585781 115935 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 多分何もない。 < 1364585826 209747 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebさんが嘘つきんだ。 < 1364585847 609084 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: as your lawyer, i advice you to upgrade to a bistro-drive! < 1364585849 46080 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bistromathematics < 1364585852 294816 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: それに、何を嵌めているんだ < 1364585906 585851 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-142-211.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364585979 876354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Tanebと嵌めいますか??? < 1364586034 364409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it a giant mecha tesseract? < 1364586046 856081 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :どうして嵌めるの? < 1364586101 740986 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was making an awful "screw" pun :( < 1364586106 518133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google翻訳は意味がありません。 < 1364586116 318003 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: oh, sorry. should have caught it sooner. < 1364586146 792550 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Colloquial use of verbs fucks it up. < 1364586159 6304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"嵌める" is "to insert" or colloquially "to fuck". < 1364586181 977522 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bistro-drives are much more whale and teapot friendly < 1364586183 283350 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("to screw" in my MAGNIFICENT pun) < 1364586248 134131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cjk looks like such shit in this terminal < 1364586292 973663 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my system has reached, completely by accident and cosmological coincidences, a state where japanese and/or trad. chinese characters display correctly. < 1364586295 308462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks fine in this terminal < 1364586310 713896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by such shit I mean ugly. not incorrect < 1364586312 837228 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although pixellated because it defaults to unifont for these glyphs < 1364586322 61783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplified characters are fscking ugly and augment my blood-loss average by a significant amount. < 1364586359 441597 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified characters are also harder. Ironically. < 1364586362 780987 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: use ms gothic for everything < 1364586408 70294 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a plethora of a multitude of various diverse CJK fonts. I don't know which one's being displayed on my screen at this moment. < 1364586436 79235 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: delete all but one of them < 1364586529 959740 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. I'm a font horder. < 1364586555 677768 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even managed to find a copy of the one that's used in bakemonogatari! < 1364586621 318826 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there is this useful google font api cdn.. ever used it? they gotta lot of fonts < 1364586661 149727 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rdoux: yep, multiple times, but I find that fontsquirrel is more practical. < 1364586693 987689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rdoux: are you trying to fit in with the french < 1364586702 191231 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but collecting fonts is kind of contradictory to have them delivered on demand < 1364586739 728564 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deprecated basic insticts < 1364586756 477886 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1364586794 631986 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ownership is thievery! < 1364586796 190512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install ttf-* < 1364586802 802044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified Chinese is more difficult to undersatnd and worse in other ways < 1364586813 323356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ways zzo38? < 1364586850 374500 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye all! see you on tuesday, perhaps! < 1364586851 419786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're something of a technological reactionary aren't you < 1364586856 20943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye boily < 1364586873 510740 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful of easter eggs, they can latch onto your face a breed a new species of mutant rabbits! < 1364586876 663372 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1364586879 181833 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364586890 852243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye bye metasepia < 1364586895 626788 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Easier to write. < 1364586899 309852 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harder to remember though. < 1364586920 786567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, harder to remember and harder to understand. < 1364586933 514194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even my Wikipedia says that I don't like Simplified Chinese < 1364586978 850780 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if North Korea throws a nuke? < 1364586999 605680 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/when < 1364587045 681780 :hagb4rdoux!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1364587054 263611 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :あ < 1364587076 664939 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen so liked the live-electro-session yesterday? but you missed the best part! fortunatly i have a raw record shared right here for you :) ..be sure to check that DJ at ~15:00 ..epic <3 -> https://www.box.com/8bit-eastereggs < 1364587077 159773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364587413 944281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what if North Korea throws a nuke? <-- then Kim Jong-Un and his generals all get Darwin Awards of the Century. < 1364588095 460167 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364588637 38286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the question is mostly how many south koreans will die before the US air force is finished leveling North Korea < 1364588698 720631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also north koreans < 1364588698 956467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hope is that the NK leadership aren't really as crazy as they look, but have realized that acting crazy is a good way to get concessions from the International Community < 1364588704 101893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's true < 1364588713 109692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out they're people :P < 1364588723 973363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364588751 952967 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of it is also an internal thing, having to act tough to maintain political influence I think < 1364588754 126503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although their lives are already shitty so it's less of a marginal harm? < 1364588762 296716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People make a lot of mistakes, but people make a lot of other things too. < 1364588763 6637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of basically awful conclusion that you get from utilitarianism < 1364588763 535029 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with ahmedinejad's boasts and so forth < 1364588786 157871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: true, although Iran is somewhat a democracy and it's useful for the leaders to distract the people from domestic issues < 1364588793 762451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such concern in NK < 1364588798 195498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if ImageMagick can use voltage/phase color formats? < 1364588807 93164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the economy has been shit for 50 years and the people are brainwashed to ignore it < 1364588810 482334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work in Iran so much < 1364588824 403842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, though, they still use a lot of the stuff they do as propaganda in NK < 1364588843 959975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lies in it of course, like when they claimed the failed satellite launch succeeded and used that as propaganda, but < 1364588856 354458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they could literally tell their people they had nuked los angeles and most of them would never find out anything to the contrary < 1364588870 780498 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be an important ego thing, I don't know < 1364588873 703117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364588875 634658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1364588881 169441 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they like doing things and then bragging about them to the populace < 1364588885 922060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or pretending they worked and then doing it) < 1364588910 763548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hear that tales of total north korean brainwashing are exaggerated in the west < 1364588920 108495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no have we been brainwashed < 1364588922 1812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : sucks < 1364588929 988809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that most of them are plenty aware that their government sucks < 1364588930 679492 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true too :p < 1364588936 577728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I have no evidence either way < 1364588944 326770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some good accounts from people who escaped and so on < 1364588955 576452 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying reads, but interesting ones < 1364588960 685207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds plausible that this kind of brainwashing story would be blown out of proportion to make north korea look as scary and evil as possible or such < 1364588970 515991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does china still put up with them < 1364588987 671748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the US and unified Korea are going to start a war with china < 1364589004 970801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems p. unlikely < 1364589014 253226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's partially a distraction, but also they really really really don't want to have to deal with all the refugees? < 1364589035 751397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well china < 1364589039 308230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you gotta take one for the team < 1364589084 232764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone from NK moved to china it would increase the population of china by like 1.8% < 1364589108 551190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a 1.8% increase in population would give china a heart attack < 1364589119 224434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they already have approx. 129 billion people < 1364589126 351352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's fine < 1364589136 850975 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever really been "brainwashed" < 1364589142 366616 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8% is still kind of a lot I guess, especially when integration would be really difficult < 1364589144 986346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImageMagick does not seem to have a voltage/phase colorspace, although it does have many. < 1364589145 350909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sirhan sirhan < 1364589150 339503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that's like 6 million people entering the US < 1364589159 749703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about this < 1364589171 755939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the difference is that the US economy is turbofucked < 1364589180 992587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and geez, china's isn't? < 1364589181 187340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1364589184 33362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :economy *and* political process < 1364589185 502782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i had a stupid idea but i forgot it < 1364589200 291544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't really know anything about him actually, is he as crazy as czolgosz was < 1364589203 402919 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're kind of floating on a soap bubble made out of bad bank loans < 1364589213 88675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine < 1364589225 956371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can wash yourself with loans? < 1364589231 591033 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if i've learned anything from syria and libya it's that nobody likes refugees ever at all < 1364589233 995510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have an autocracy, the government can just fix everything unilaterally < 1364589241 603688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whilst ignoring human rights < 1364589245 624596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't really be worse than now < 1364589260 174738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really an autocracy... it's an oligarchy kind of, but... < 1364589267 698409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine going up to a group of 15 other representatives of the party < 1364589269 850315 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trying to convince them < 1364589279 197848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. I am like 20% serious here at most < 1364589280 212916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that taking in 20 million people and budgeting for them < 1364589281 544825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will be a great idea < 1364589283 676290 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a lot of the Chinese leadership is probably invested in those sorts of things, they might not be willing to just disaparate it. < 1364589299 904731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people kind of falsely view china as some magic dictatorship, it has just as much politicking as the US < 1364589303 315610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just, a lot more quiet about it) < 1364589328 896269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone wants to change china's policy internally they need to get support and influence from others in the party < 1364589339 544141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's any kind of dictatorship i can get behind it's a magical one < 1364589348 125533 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only knows anything about Chinese business politics from that anonops group that looked for fraud in Chinese corps < 1364589365 175668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :execution by firing squad and/or avada kedavra < 1364589402 146658 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's kinda like. in a lot of ways it's not that amazingly different from here, since it's... well, still run by politicians < 1364589407 777676 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1364589413 231389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1364589415 418361 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty hard to market to Fox fiora < 1364589427 10532 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you maybe rephrase that in a more insultingly reductionist way < 1364589433 662821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least their politicians are scientists and engineers and not lawyers < 1364589441 175785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have a proposal: make kim jong-un queen and we'll take over north korea < 1364589453 584555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is probably a bad preference) < 1364589456 88002 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how true that is in this upcoming generation of Party members < 1364589465 638907 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if it's any less true, but it might be?) < 1364589470 250138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Something something dams. < 1364589479 296700 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know that Kim Il-Sung is still president? < 1364589493 172091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can be eternal queen < 1364589495 324059 :Halite!~HaliteBir@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364589498 311171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see any problem here < 1364589510 233234 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Xi was still a chemial engineer. cool < 1364589510 427796 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The British political process is truly efficient. < 1364589557 128028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :visiting north korea would be kind of cool except it'd actually be awful and terrible < 1364589613 967654 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess a more political summary would be "the gap between us and china isn't actually that large -- look how little of a difference one needs to become an authoritarian state" < 1364589614 849814 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364589660 639237 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime i need to find a diehard mccarthyist and ask them what they think was goingn on when china invaded vietnam < 1364589670 213340 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1364589697 509861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: atlas shrugged is basically about wacking galt repeatedly with a giant platonic solid < 1364589705 478939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :997) elliott: atlas shrugged is basically about wacking galt repeatedly with a giant platonic solid < 1364589720 415199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt about the sino-albanian split because who cares about the sino-albanian split? < 1364589778 392529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania#Communist_Albania makes it sound p. nice < 1364589821 760338 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nicest part of albania is the names. "Hoxhaism" and "Zogist" for instance < 1364589822 646049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: something about parentheses :-) the joke is that mccarthy made lisp :-) < 1364589828 214133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I grudgingly support religious freedom, but literacy and industrial growth sound nice < 1364589831 283247 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA, HA < 1364589838 66394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everyone talking about north korea all of a sudden < 1364589842 24334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i'm going to say soemthing witty on the topic so it can be added as a quote: < 1364589846 164160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not to mention Shqipëria < 1364589851 278367 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because they threatened to nuke something probably < 1364589851 539617 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think I caused that sorry < 1364589878 269005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nicest part of albania is the brand new western style hotel that let me use their western style toilets even though I obviously had no intention of staying there < 1364589882 106302 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: stop threatening to nuke stuff! < 1364589890 874748 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: oh wait you're not Kim, sorry < 1364589892 116165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a shame the inventor of lisp was um < 1364589893 576741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i give up < 1364589899 251891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else gets to make the dumb joke < 1364589902 273199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the 12 hour ride on Crazy Holidays bus with no toilets < 1364589927 937080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stopped once at a rest area which had only squat toilets < 1364589929 308307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a poof < 1364589933 307609 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be NICK :KimJong-Un < 1364589944 925379 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kim jong ummmmm < 1364589946 179951 :KimJong-Un!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sorry about that < 1364589957 33302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :squat toilets are OK i guess, but not so much when many of the users don't know how to use them < 1364589974 479333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :toilets are gross; outlaw toilets < 1364589995 687679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/hitlers-toilet-new-jersey-auto-repair-station_n_2592902.html < 1364590043 994978 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Xilaihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Lijun_incident this incident was really interesting < 1364590059 306920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your links had a bit of a collision there < 1364590129 917954 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1364590151 852272 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was all over the news, wasn't it? < 1364590177 690752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chongqing municipal government declared that Wang was receiving "vacation-style medical treatment". < 1364590178 960120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vacation-style medical treatment", lol. I think the KGB said something similar during the 1991 coup. < 1364590180 679770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1364590191 192093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it's such a shame the inventor of lisp was um ok i give up < 1364590193 43114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember seeing it much in western news? it was one of those things that was hard to explain or define a right and wrong < 1364590195 90426 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :998) it's such a shame the inventor of lisp was um ok i give up < 1364590210 974084 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bo was disliked by Party people because of his populist message and, well, popularity < 1364590222 869931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, i definitely heard about the murdering a british businessman thing < 1364590227 543749 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his wife also laundered literally billions of yuan in money, probably from bribes, out of the country < 1364590250 740082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was she the one who got deathvanned < 1364590251 771818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's suspicion that's what led to the murder, with the guy who was murdered demanding a larger cut of the money < 1364590287 532996 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember seeing it much in western news? <-- I'm pretty sure I got it from popular sources. I mean, it involves a Westerner, that's a way to get people to "care". < 1364590288 703913 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she has a suspended death sentence for her alleged role in ordering the murder + money laundering I thnk < 1364590310 525958 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the US consolate. < 1364590328 244776 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really controversial within china too because many people really liked Bo, and viewed it as a Party plot (or by at least some people in the Party who were his enemies) to smear him < 1364590331 792266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, in your considered opinion is that thing about falun gong organs true < 1364590336 446726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1364590349 219950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess no and I don't even know what you're talking about. < 1364590354 483047 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvesting organs from Gong adherents? < 1364590364 240797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364590377 278813 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda doubt it < 1364590379 536165 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, the Wikipedia article cites the NYT among others, Fiora. < 1364590396 858193 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sorry, I meant more like. a lot of the in-china details felt like they got less coverage I guess < 1364590407 999507 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well yeah :P < 1364590411 632116 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I don't read news much so < 1364590416 285247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really honestly judge <_> < 1364590417 656635 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some chinese guy is seeking US asylum???" < 1364590422 908021 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :headline! < 1364590431 365371 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"possibly red communists involved" < 1364590450 509000 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"China Red Star Bo Xilai Denies Son Drives a Red Ferrari – China Real Time Report – WSJ". The Wall Street Journal. <-- Or I could just let the actual headlines talk, haha jesus. < 1364590486 641913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364590500 595838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. it really is just like US politicans XD < 1364590534 678853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to complain about the notion that a political system can be not that bad because it's just as good as the US's < 1364590551 408235 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I didn't mean to say "wasn't that bad" but rather < 1364590568 862480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels wrong to view it as this alien magical dictatorship thing, instead of a political system filled with real people < 1364590572 891152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i wasn't complaining about anyone in particular < 1364590584 755147 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1364590588 629805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree your point isr easonable, it's just ridiculous to me that people would take that as a good thing about china < 1364590637 469756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there sees to be at least this small tendency of some nerds to want to think china's system might be good because (they say) it is better at looking into the future and making decisions that aren't just about the next election term and so they can undertake large projects and so on < 1364590642 978487 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seems to be < 1364590668 722227 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think that's really that true, they have just as much politicking and so many politicians are in it for short-term gain and the long-term-outlook seems to be by far the exception < 1364590681 477329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because the system works so slowly it can take decades to get rid of old ideas < 1364590707 851088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think china's system is good, because i like human rights < 1364590708 755518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the whole "it's run by engineers!" thing) < 1364590717 46135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might be more /effective/ < 1364590728 888885 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's (kind of) what I mean? < 1364590738 733400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Albania sounds like it was run by someone who has just started playing a RTS game and is bad at it < 1364590740 531302 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364590744 902366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUCK IT, BUNKERS EVERYWHERE" < 1364590747 335426 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pfff* < 1364590749 693661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing to point at people who think technocracy is a good idea < 1364590784 479885 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like the Atlantic Wall, too? < 1364590851 167650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :window pops up "sir you have spent 2% of your GDP on bunkers" < 1364590876 167841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, more bunkers < 1364590919 925684 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost feels like how the german government worked in the 40s < 1364590936 768390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were actually at war though < 1364590948 978369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez, and albania wasn't? XD < 1364590951 973767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they built all the bunkers < 1364590963 624046 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364590976 496738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I buy 3-buttons non-wheel mouse? < 1364590980 252859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it was just cold war paranoia < 1364590988 816705 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1364590990 308390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the bunkers going to do < 1364590993 465538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunk < 1364590995 999417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the name < 1364590996 844577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkers_in_Albania < 1364591010 235828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it predicated on the assumption nobody would waste expensive enriched fissiles on albania < 1364591011 83357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they thought that china and russia and NATO would invade all at once < 1364591013 105835 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was albania in the non-aligned movemented < 1364591015 437000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like "they were actually at war though" "and albania wasn't?" "nah it was just cold war paranoia" < 1364591019 424452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at war, just cold war < 1364591028 501906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of course everyone wants to capture Albania < 1364591044 380501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #1 priority for every superpower < 1364591048 376498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well.... yes < 1364591052 83735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "war" == "cold war" < 1364591052 738136 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cold war wasn't really a war, just a metawar. instead of killing the other guys you get some guys to kill the guys the other guys set up to kill your killer guys. < 1364591053 569593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364591054 597694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1364591065 627588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1364591081 7923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, and also you see who goes broke from making nukes first. < 1364591081 979984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict the cold war was basically just everyone being bitter about all the wars for a while < 1364591082 308126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we outsourced war to the 3rd world, like everything else < 1364591101 816297 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1364591106 164406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this being the origin of the term '3rd world' in fact) < 1364591126 993902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait the berlin wall was only built in 1961? god dammit i know literally nothing about history < 1364591140 742221 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Before that they just used dudes with guns. < 1364591149 414482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there were border controls before that < 1364591150 739317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364591157 286351 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it was still a wall, just not a wall wall. < 1364591164 565792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gun wall < 1364591172 706122 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that whole airlift thing. < 1364591179 716191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example west berlin was completely cut off in 1948 - 1949 and had to be supplied by air < 1364591182 687788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it bike < 1364591188 206914 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1364591191 843476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they'd had 3d printers they could've made a literal gun war < 1364591193 661628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wall < 1364591197 324661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for freedom < 1364591222 81907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the berlin wall museum is pretty interesting < 1364591231 263852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is the DDR Museum < 1364591238 678563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not about Dance Dance Revolution you nerds < 1364591239 13348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you meet that woman who married it < 1364591242 390976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364591246 361566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't make her live in the museum < 1364591271 132907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay FDR is federal democratic republic = east germany right < 1364591272 962674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's DDR < 1364591277 634635 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i get that backwards somehow < 1364591302 775986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDR is east germany < 1364591307 735277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1364591311 910176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deutsche demokratische republik < 1364591312 144690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deutsche democratische republik (n.b. cannot spell germany) < 1364591326 499271 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doiche < 1364591358 769011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dutch < 1364591365 777316 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nein, deutsch < 1364591379 657156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra vowels => other country < 1364591386 877747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :west germany was Bundesrepublik Deutschland (BRD) or translated FRG < 1364591389 628719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dutsch < 1364591457 970429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell btiffin I might try and implement http://esolangs.org/wiki/COBOL the card language in COBOL, the yeah, that one. <-- i couldn't possibly oppose this < 1364591458 612333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364591481 314148 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin never answered my question about cobol :( < 1364591642 263945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb Is the inventor of http://www.freewebs.com/manyhills/cobol.htm the same as the one on the IWC forum? ISTR you passing through murderous math forum on the way here, which is mentioned on the parent page. < 1364591642 730749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364591886 930988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern unified germany is _still_ Bundesrepublik Deutschland fwiw. < 1364591912 790881 :KimJong-Un!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364591951 292350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just absorbed east germany as a bunch of new states (Länder iirc) < 1364591998 783021 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Berlin. < 1364592014 173820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for confusing reasons West Berlin was a seperate entity) < 1364592113 471978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/card_377670833.jpg < 1364592126 753196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice logo < 1364592162 354559 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364592194 67686 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1364592199 385521 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's hilarious. < 1364592207 397437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for various reasons West Berlin had its own laws. < 1364592232 292111 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their legislature simply voted in each law that passed in West Germany without debate. < 1364592358 558174 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.149.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364592518 599214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, west berlin was surrounded by east germany? how did that work? < 1364592526 380850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poorly < 1364592565 719364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the east german govt allowed certain forms of travel in and out, except when they didn't (see blockade mentioned above) < 1364592580 379267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could get a train that would go nonstop from west berlin to the west german border < 1364592595 510911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always sort of assumed berlin was in the middle of germany and split because it was straddling the border < 1364592617 330586 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it was split because military occupations are funky. < 1364592630 297789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui it was split because the Western Allies rushed to capture part of Berlin even though the USSR had captured the surrounding area already < 1364592640 819126 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also notable is that Germany was actually split into four. It's just that the three Allies kinda merged their bit. < 1364592656 965614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the king solomon approach to countries < 1364592668 744038 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that they went "cut it!", yes < 1364592677 116961 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1364592680 91931 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there were 4 different sectors of Berlin. The USSR just wanted to take their ball and go home. < 1364592680 426036 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364592684 653470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some of the West Berlin U-Bahn subway lines ran through East Berlin without stopping < 1364592706 776213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your morning commute might involve not just a train ride in a foreign country but a train ride across the Iron Curtain and into hostile territory < 1364592729 129855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was even a station that was in East Berlin, but with the only entrances in West Berlin. < 1364592734 160775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friedrichstraße station became a border crossing < 1364592742 807848 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the west must have had to do some pretty fantastic marketing to get people to actually live in those conditions < 1364592762 748140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had an international transit lounge (like an airport) where the DDR govt sold duty-free cigarettes < 1364592765 98921 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The West German economy was significantly better-off. < 1364592783 403679 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, to get people to live in West Berlin rather than the contiguous parts of West Germany. < 1364592790 903421 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes West Berlin. < 1364592817 376443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fair point, it's not like West Berlin was the capital anymore < 1364592821 384501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still a big city with jobs and shit < 1364592840 826412 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was a huge city then. < 1364592865 259547 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of people would've already called it home by the time of the occupation. < 1364592899 251482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364592908 563275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving and finding a new job and such is a huge barrier < 1364592929 812767 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364592933 607648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like, why doesn't everyone in Greece and Cyprus and Spain move to Germany? < 1364592936 670586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically they could < 1364592955 424999 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it just seems like there might not be much population replacement, and some trickle out. < 1364592968 45738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364592975 945773 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Also, West Berliners were exempt from West German military conscription. < 1364592985 499505 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well then. < 1364592989 319296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: handy < 1364592990 32559 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you had incentive for counterculture young people to go to West Germany. < 1364592996 496861 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, Berlin < 1364593002 181522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why berlin is so awesome now < 1364593054 698554 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1364593235 475730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn now i want currywurst < 1364593243 691109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately I can make this dream a reality < 1364593266 21325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cury was the wurst. he didn't even invent haskell. < 1364593324 375512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: die in a fire < 1364593375 483172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curries elliott < 1364593508 477571 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364593581 861592 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a curry today < 1364593653 863332 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364593726 395418 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Indian or Thai? < 1364593739 979971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, don't answer that < 1364593770 691353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is Gregor a curry purist? < 1364593804 354673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, he has strong opinions on food despite the fact that he does not in fact have a sense of taste < 1364593809 988928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say with certainty that one of the ingredients was thai red curry paste < 1364593826 769464 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so you didn't make curry at all. < 1364593836 250602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1364593849 910101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you guessed, I'm a curry purist ;) < 1364593854 579639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is required to call it curry? < 1364593862 790716 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I make Thai curry, I certainly don't include any ingredients with "curry" in the name. < 1364593870 714775 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then you didn't make the curry, you just used a curry mix. < 1364593881 372066 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is fine and dandy, but IMPURE AND UNHOLY) < 1364593947 203352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by "the curry" you mean only the spice mix and not any of the food that you usually make with it? in my book, the result of putting curry in food is a curry < 1364593994 412867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use curry mixes to make things other than curries. < 1364594001 396767 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put curry powder in egg salad, not curry :) < 1364594037 499088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's more curries than Indian or Thai you know. < 1364594043 348005 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm just being a pretentious twat here ;) ) < 1364594045 479810 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes Japanese curry. < 1364594051 195874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but those are the two that usually come to mind. < 1364594057 806037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:24:09: Define a band as a set of the form S \ T, where each of S and T can be written as the union of countably many closed sets. < 1364594061 299152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:24:17: Can anyone think of a specific set of real numbers that is not a band? < 1364594063 342009 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've never had a Japanese or Chinese curry that I could rate as better than abominable. < 1364594078 304442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the intersection of an F_sigma and a G_delta set" < 1364594135 444284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-77.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is no doubt because you only fnarf. < 1364594156 808875 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possibly. < 1364594445 55197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psure Gregor and pikhq have had this exact conversation before < 1364594483 358761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "Delta_2^0 sets", apparently. < 1364594490 375383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1364594494 999363 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO FNARF, PERCHANCE TO TASTE < 1364594520 625521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's if it's both kinds simultaneously, not the intersection of each < 1364594535 253000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boldly fnarf what none have fnarfed before < 1364594584 595940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helllllo. < 1364594606 459460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually recall any answer to the actual question, though. < 1364594719 556159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi < 1364594797 692163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had visitors and now I'm decidedly fuzzy. < 1364594816 824895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense of having to retype everything thrice. < 1364594836 809126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f i z z i e < 1364594852 243709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I think #esoteric was a topic of discussion only thrice or so. < 1364594854 884580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not in the sense of being covered with fuzz? < 1364594868 95759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thrice, that's a funy word. < 1364594874 357002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw with your nick, shouldn't you always be covered with fuzz. < 1364594882 930384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you discussed #esoteric? with who/what? < 1364594897 150411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With folks. < 1364594922 887647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, soon we'll have folks invading here D: < 1364594928 411193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them was an ineiros who's on-channel and lall. < 1364594937 199091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1364594948 843937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros_: did you hear fizzie calls you folk < 1364594967 762126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, idle for 16 days < 1364594971 263115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might call him folksy. < 1364594987 9606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not accurate, but still. < 1364595394 495153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a long way from home here, and things to do, AIUI. < 1364595418 785773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1364595491 523735 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-29.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364595609 106509 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364595705 882615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went through a litre of gin and some assorted varieties of things, anyway. Can't ask for too much after that. Including not calling folks occasionally folks. < 1364596008 62119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like drunk fizzie < 1364596061 31494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very likable I am very durnk it is not amusing. < 1364596203 112319 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stoned but articulate < 1364596203 839515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1364596227 643707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I find it a bit amusing < 1364596230 13475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not stoned, just durnk. It's a different thing altogether. < 1364596243 494430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Things work out just right if I only use one eye. < 1364596256 349628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :close your eyes and touch type? < 1364596264 126559 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364596264 622068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might work fine too. < 1364596267 337594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one am amused < 1364596268 906863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that it did. < 1364596275 944275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I did not look whether it did. < 1364596290 163169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, I'm gonna assume it did, it's not like there's any reason for it not to. < 1364596331 44238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be a problem if I get things left or rightoff by one key. < 1364596352 874389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have those notches on f and j to set you straight < 1364596366 834880 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364596373 835700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have those things. ( confess. I peeked.) < 1364596398 80600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware the floor though, it tends to sneak up on you when you're drunk < 1364596454 531391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I rest my head on the thing that's behind me on the chair I get this feeling as if I might fall asleep or something, I think that might be related. < 1364596472 610428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that thing called. < 1364596477 469411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back supportotron? < 1364596513 776779 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep in mind: alcohol is not a solution.. < 1364596518 502678 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a compound! < 1364596551 466031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure is. We certainly compounded with interest. (That's a poorly thought out accounting joke.) < 1364596593 808469 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.131.109 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1364596789 517803 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I rest my head on the thing that's behind me on the chair I get this feeling as if I might fall asleep or something <-- horrorshow droog! don't try this at home kids < 1364596818 769410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a "horrorshow droong" what it's called= < 1364596835 54324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nadsat < 1364596855 663707 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fears and loathing with fizzie: http://soomka.com/nadsat.html < 1364596856 923812 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: so apparently having the friday off is a protestant thing, whereas only monday is catholic < 1364596857 118390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrorshow is a corruption of khorosho meaning "cool" < 1364596891 441494 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364596893 243419 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i thought it means "good" < 1364596898 464597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having thursday, friday _and_ monday off is norwegian hth. < 1364596901 341809 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc! :D < 1364596905 392499 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welly well < 1364596915 168523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was cured allright < 1364596923 237894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a Friday and a Monday off HTH HTHAND. < 1364596944 838019 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364596957 136721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the swedes may too, it's the thursday which is unusual for norway < 1364596991 879353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :every maundy thursday scores of norwegians roam across the swedish border to buy alcohol. < 1364596993 532926 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm what are we talking about again? < 1364597002 657752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that in norway every day is off < 1364597012 828115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a _bit_ off. < 1364597017 54733 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah..the off days < 1364597032 552922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :iT WAS QUITE QUIET AT WORK AT WORK ON FRIDAY. < 1364597038 593355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops a caps lock. < 1364597048 766484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow I meant Thursday. < 1364597049 964396 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stoned but guilty! < 1364597054 264644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friday hasn't happened yet. < 1364597065 752676 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :friday is today, I believe < 1364597081 962945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically I think it's Saturday here. < 1364597086 965523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this timezone is Good Friday today. < 1364597089 41841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're at UTC2. < 1364597092 841979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if today was thursday I would've accidentally a day off from work < 1364597093 813272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus two. < 1364597098 162707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is good because you don't have to go to work) < 1364597098 357210 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364597127 816506 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish it's Long Friday and for some reason the tradition says you have to be bored the whole day < 1364597139 598689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote In this timezone is Good Friday today. (It is good because you don't have to go to work) < 1364597143 219730 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :999) In this timezone is Good Friday today. (It is good because you don't have to go to work) < 1364597147 488579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh 999 < 1364597151 452897 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had all these parties yesterday.. but the easter-friday itself public-celebratation is illegal in germany < 1364597153 863212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 998 < 1364597155 418931 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :998) it's such a shame the inventor of lisp was um ok i give up < 1364597167 140443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, ??? < 1364597178 619812 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wazzup hooverkid < 1364597179 867526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebrating easter friday in public is illegal? < 1364597185 64767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there is an ancient superstition in norway that any work started on good friday will end in disaster. < 1364597196 280705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The students at the university have the thursday to next wednesday off, or something. < 1364597201 971766 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no...parties, clubs etc < 1364597207 98480 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're closed < 1364597212 690669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what was the public opinion of the good friday agreement < 1364597216 869326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made them exercises for Tuesday and they said it's the easter and they're not a do a thing. < 1364597228 445015 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote 1000 be a zzote < 1364597237 222580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think university students here usually have one week off for easter, then a couple of almost-off weeks when nothing happens except exams < 1364597246 502912 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only day in the year, and it's most controlversial (and also kind of deprecated) < 1364597254 661780 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: so you celebrate on thursday instead? < 1364597260 759852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have four exam periods a year. < 1364597274 130620 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just everyday but not friday < 1364597284 459687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One at the end of end of spring and one at the end of autumn and two at the mid-parts of each. < 1364597296 147521 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not THAT friday < 1364597313 133265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't recall was that something irish? < 1364597327 786127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364597341 552393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the agreement that effectively ended the Troubles < 1364597348 158596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you noticed that google result summaries are grey now < 1364597350 892359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1364597370 615042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... they are? < 1364597374 620448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"work started" means new projects, btw. < 1364597392 220165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard boring work was apparently encouraged. < 1364597426 935314 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boring friday - happy resurrection" < 1364597556 446683 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely.. well there are a lot of illegal inofficial parites around.. ppl just feel pissed about such restrictions < 1364597649 50446 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are a secular state in the end < 1364597692 215175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the liberal european sort of state-sponsored religion is pretty amusing < 1364597925 929424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you go to work today? < 1364597933 136184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1364597944 408750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: By the way, three-button mice without wheels are reasonably easy to come by on the Internet. < 1364597946 444520 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is fine with religion here.. it's mostly up to you to decide (or not) what you believe in < 1364597955 861872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see some on amazon.com, for example. < 1364597965 561667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I did last time you asked about it. < 1364598000 334359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Yes, I am fine too, for you to believe as you wish, but I don't want you to force everyone of some religion. Freedom of religion also must mean freedom from religion. < 1364598035 485135 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure < 1364598049 989294 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're a lucky boy < 1364598053 635544 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't < 1364598068 6153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck grey google result summaries < 1364598076 536086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, not a thing. < 1364598108 541402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they spell it gray < 1364598114 635544 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we were taling about parties and drugs basically.. if that comforts you < 1364598133 978827 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie started.. that nasty drunken fin < 1364598135 747038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were "we" talking about thaT? < 1364598141 204699 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you < 1364598143 987406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hink I started a hink. < 1364598145 82626 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially < 1364598146 858014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hing. < 1364598163 603424 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt matter who started < 1364598168 607721 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can end it..now < 1364598173 354866 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like! < 1364598182 186688 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE < 1364598183 963094 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEWEWE < 1364598225 681614 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364598228 262947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1364598250 897405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have 76.4% of our population that are in a theoretical sense members of the state-sponsored religion, the Evangeligal Lutheran Church of Finland. < 1364598266 278468 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, imagine bfjoust, except with only commands + - > < . and played turn-based by humans < 1364598270 340349 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that work out well? < 1364598274 478311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364598276 289050 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in a hagb4rd-sponsored-state < 1364598299 204311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still have some sort of a specific privileged status in the legislation. Along with the orthogonal christians. Or is that orthodox? < 1364598314 388316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :orthonormal christianity < 1364598325 223633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: you really need branching to take a cycle < 1364598328 496676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it to at all be interesting < 1364598330 160469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how many of those people don't give a shit about religion and just ticked that box because it's the default < 1364598336 834748 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: . gives information < 1364598342 447949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um, maybe you don't get to know the tape and play with a DM < 1364598345 83295 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's played by humans so branching is done by free will < 1364598359 851093 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, is that what that is. < 1364598360 505602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so you don't get to know the cell state or tape position unless you do .? < 1364598373 301473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Quite many of them ticked the box it's because you get to have a "real wedding" like that, I think. (Even larger amount don't give any shits about religion.) < 1364598373 495867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even being able to get current cell value is too much < 1364598382 477140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really you need to be able to only ask "is the current cell 0?" < 1364598391 15543 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1364598409 107476 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. can either mean "display content of current cell" or "tell whether current cell is zero" < 1364598422 582202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a wedding where the wedding music was about big dicks, except only one person probably realized that, since I had removed all the lyrics. < 1364598433 474881 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364598437 693107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a .mod file.) < 1364598446 7771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or a .s3m file, I forget which.) < 1364598464 749121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I whistling dirty tunes < 1364598478 933474 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, you could program bots to play it, but you wouldn't be restricted by brainfuck < 1364598488 454330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was a .xm < 1364598488 649282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that in Israel you can put your religion as Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or Communist < 1364598497 515451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/tmp/byterapers-modules-humorouscollection/swallow-sanovat_etta.xm except you need to know Finnish. < 1364598498 339816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there are enough Christians in a town the government builds a church < 1364598506 942225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there are enough Communists in a town the government builds a statue of Lenin < 1364598511 622108 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364598517 294890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I made up the last part < 1364598520 29795 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.131.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364598526 281294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was liking that until you told me it was made up < 1364598527 416354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I googled that thing but it was my thing, how did that happen, it's a weird. < 1364598531 588695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they build if there are a lot of atheists < 1364598538 227718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the what, it's in Google. < 1364598547 839359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACKING GOGGLERS. < 1364598559 32666 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364598577 395309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I goggle for "byterapers humorouscollection", my own "tmp" thing is the first result it makes no sense what is this gaa. < 1364598591 905430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their own thing is just the third result. < 1364598604 381896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's some kind of personalized search result. < 1364598611 354954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is the government's job to build a church or a statue of Lenin; well, not the federal government's job anyways. < 1364598620 35201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy what's with the fixed point of cos. you know that 0.7390851332151607 number what's with that. < 1364598620 681800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364598671 481908 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Lemme try < 1364598701 563523 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftplike.com is the first result, their own thing is the second < 1364598708 526023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1364598721 586682 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What language google do you use? < 1364598723 731471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got those as second and thitd. < 1364598739 875485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lcom one, I think. < 1364598743 343778 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.1 + 0.1 < 1364598745 218366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.2 < 1364598747 401565 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.1 + 0.2 < 1364598749 242060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.30000000000000004 < 1364598752 724444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do am logged in. < 1364598781 598473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Still same thing for me < 1364598787 120946 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For both .com and .co.uk < 1364598802 372817 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Tried pressing the hide personal results button? < 1364598810 712026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a good thing none of you get sent to me. < 1364598824 334481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went into a different room already. < 1364598879 123830 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0.1 + 0.2) == 0.3 < 1364598880 999852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364598889 303223 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joys of floating point arithmetic < 1364598901 85803 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1364598903 26334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I search it on this phone which is not inlogged, I get those two as first and second, then zem.fi/tmp as third. < 1364598915 5530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they say? I <2.9999999999743 floating point < 1364598917 689167 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364598937 235895 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1364598952 760852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote nickel < 1364598952 956071 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364598954 411847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :481) I didn't realise nickel apparently can't be shaped into a screw because of some fundamental feature of dwarven physics. \ 867) What is portable way of load/save floating points in files, using a C code? #ifndef __STDC_IEC_559__ #error Here's a nickel, kid. Buy a real computer. #endif < 1364598974 541200 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364599036 277484 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364599037 878604 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote FreeFull>> (0.1 + 0.2) == 0.3 False The joys of floating point arithmetic what do they say? I <2.9999999999743 floating point < 1364599041 766135 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000) FreeFull>> (0.1 + 0.2) == 0.3 False The joys of floating point arithmetic what do they say? I <2.9999999999743 floating point < 1364599048 789168 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1364599051 519707 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1364599064 865639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo leave that quote unädded < 1364599068 453413 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote (0.1 + 0.2) == 0.3 False The joys of floating point arithmetic what do they say? I <2.9999999999743 floating point < 1364599072 238206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000) (0.1 + 0.2) == 0.3 False The joys of floating point arithmetic what do they say? I <2.9999999999743 floating point < 1364599090 523883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: even by your standards that's a p. gratuitous diuresis < 1364599093 339483 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel it's appropriate that the 1000th quote destroy the format < 1364599135 930068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you got a problem with it4? < 1364599139 133689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0.1 + 0.2 :: CReal) == 0.3 < 1364599140 913667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1364599147 246648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality on CReal is not decdable < 1364599147 591721 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual joy of CReals < 1364599149 883280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal (==) cheats. < 1364599159 961218 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0.1 + 0.2 :: CReal) == 0 < 1364599161 660003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364599163 331157 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good instance < 1364599170 305127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some precision it will give up and say True even if they really differ slightly < 1364599180 822176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 == (1+2**(-100) :: CReal) < 1364599182 505717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364599184 163791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 == (1+2**(-1000) :: CReal) < 1364599185 48412 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no decimal-based rational notation in haskell? im sure ther is < 1364599186 232576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1364599197 696879 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4.7 :: Ratio < 1364599199 212936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was 40 digits or so. < 1364599199 407995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expecting one more argument to `GHC.Real.Ratio' < 1364599204 623547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+2**(-1000) :: CReal < 1364599207 213468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1364599210 700600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's p. easy to produce two CReals which are true iff goldbach's conjecture holds < 1364599211 77502 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was toRatio or something. < 1364599221 690082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which are true eh < 1364599221 885491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not using the public CReal API < 1364599227 93591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are equal < 1364599231 652262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfulliott < 1364599240 346593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love you toomc < 1364599245 28930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational (2**(-1000) :: CReal) < 1364599246 919457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: CReal.toRational < 1364599259 196161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow creal more like badreal < 1364599265 448510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Reaal < 1364599266 37058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Listen, broccoli brains, I don't have time to listen to this trash. < 1364599266 400493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Real < 1364599267 32452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Num a, Ord a) => Real a where < 1364599267 227594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : toRational :: a -> Rational < 1364599268 936090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Exception: not actually a statically safe language < 1364599275 917848 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational 4.7 < 1364599277 590301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5291729562160333 % 1125899906842624 < 1364599282 301097 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic < 1364599285 382164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good rational < 1364599286 280595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: trick question because all reals are bad < 1364599293 335476 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Decimal < 1364599293 680100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Sorry about this, I know it's a bit silly. < 1364599300 208500 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what in the world happened there O_O < 1364599301 907671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Almost all reals are bad. < 1364599305 403979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2.5 :: Rational < 1364599306 726544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. all but a countable number. < 1364599306 921059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 % 2 < 1364599320 352497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It converted the Double 4.7 to the nearest Rational approximation. < 1364599321 896089 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: floats happened < 1364599326 790902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i get zem.fi as no. 4 < 1364599327 328543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 1000 < 1364599332 50138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* (0.1 + 0.2) == 0.3 False The joys of floating point arithmetic what do they say? I <2.9999999999743 floating point < 1364599335 569062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364599340 461638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 1000 is not going to be that < 1364599343 138590 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ohhhhhhh < 1364599343 920410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1364599345 162060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1364599345 356447 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :811) and all this time I thought we were talking about postmodern analysis of junk mail delivery methods and simulations of elephant breeding patterns < 1364599345 551081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1364599345 551342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am Taking A Stand < 1364599345 745825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1364599345 940213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1364599346 563451 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :267) elliott: hey, thinking's easier than using the Internet < 1364599348 21840 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it went 4.7 -> double -> rational < 1364599348 417755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1364599348 834819 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1364599349 392200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not a great quote < 1364599350 655961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1364599352 630015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1364599366 753496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes, it converted (47%10) to a Double and then back to a Rational. < 1364599372 450288 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be sth like 314*10^(-2) < 1364599376 476167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote this space for rent < 1364599380 214945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000) this space for rent < 1364599380 995020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364599384 395003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 1000 problem solved < 1364599403 365826 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain old decimal point shift < 1364599414 49365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 1000 will almost certainly not say 1000 < 1364599420 865899 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Could it be quote 1001? < 1364599439 476433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will not be quote anything < 1364599459 188547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you'd written that alternative quote thing this wouldn't be happening. :-( < 1364599459 954614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4.7 :: Rational < 1364599461 456338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 47 % 10 < 1364599472 130652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh so that works < 1364599484 77591 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt(2) :: Rational < 1364599485 809946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Real.Rational) < 1364599486 4295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a us... < 1364599502 407180 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell nooooo < 1364599508 26451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: When you write a decimal number like 4.7, it turns into (fromRational (4.7 the actual Rational)). < 1364599520 140493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had another ultra productive day of 1 commit < 1364599520 853618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 40 means (fromInteger (40 the actual Integer)) < 1364599538 102163 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I GOT TO USE HASKELL ON THE JOB! < 1364599543 510587 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT < 1364599552 616325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4whoa, dude < 1364599571 534282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what didy ou use < 1364599586 302558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell+java a s ynergy made in hevaen < 1364599594 240957 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you such an instant vicious bitch hoover? < 1364599610 513852 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my brains and your brawn we'll make a great team < 1364599644 732100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my assocative operation and your identity, this'll be so easy < 1364599648 322695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java kept trying to run things like npm and grunt, but it was expecting a real executable, and all that Windows has for those are .cmd files < 1364599661 620473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I made a small thing that is a .exe file that runs a .cmd file < 1364599675 515686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj sgeo < 1364599685 607092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realized later I should have used getProgName rather than hardcoding the name in < 1364599707 689443 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-51-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i doubt java lacks a call-shell thing < 1364599798 525231 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a matter of whether or not Java could do it, it's a matter of the code that would need to be modified possibly not being ours. Didn't feel like tampering with stuff just because I was having problems building < 1364599818 926038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did tamper with something for that reason... but it was a good thing, I think < 1364600442 659191 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java kept trying to run things like npm and grunt, but it was expecting a real executable, and all that Wi ndows has for those are .cmd files <-- dunno the background, but windows executables are specified by the PATHEXT environment var.. (in CMD: SET PATHEXT=.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH;.MSC;.CPL;.IV) < 1364600459 909838 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :further you can use FTYPE and ASSOC to specify execution procedure < 1364600474 913303 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to see actual evn-var-settings just type SET) < 1364600559 606880 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364600897 764061 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4ked < 1364600927 365164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1364601024 375936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4ked, I don't think that would help, necessarily? < 1364601037 900279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was able to type without an extension at the command line < 1364601053 780065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1364601064 673205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh "PathExt environment variable returns a list of the file extensions that the operating system considers to be executable. When executing a command line that does not contain an extension, the command interpreter (cmd.exe) uses the value of this environment variable to determine which extensions to look for and in what order." < 1364601073 56412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think that's irrelevant? Not sure < 1364601093 687116 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really.. i do not know what you are doing < 1364601118 455817 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just caught that "windows executionable statement" < 1364601150 862079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java was trying to execute npm (and other stuff) by some method < 1364601156 645559 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :summing up, im not even sure if're using windows or just try to simulate win-like-behaviour or what ever < 1364601173 388156 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS? < 1364601177 571249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That method apparently does not use the shell < 1364601178 576392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows < 1364601196 595721 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try FTYPE < 1364601206 179931 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things get clearer than < 1364601210 955004 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope < 1364601252 275822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think as long as I document my hack I don't care < 1364601257 960099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I do care somewhat < 1364601263 571388 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1364601283 732240 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw.. everything in windows uses the stdin and out.. like in unix.. there is a fully-functional pipe-system etc < 1364601285 33153 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364601310 108909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364601331 721153 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shell is just a user interface < 1364601390 10759 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364601508 89961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but one that executes stuff like .cmd files < 1364601517 16856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cmd I think aren't real programs < 1364601531 430721 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364601577 845978 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs run programs in windows.. and they are not necessarily to be written in machinecode < 1364601599 164462 :hagb4ked!~perdito@koln-4db42f71.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.net programs are .exe files but NO REAL executables as you defined