< 1364169630 432457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: maybe the reason for the split was shutting down the server you were on? < 1364169633 496608 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that server realized it was no longer in the network and kicked everyone out? < 1364169667 580925 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364169671 807246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you were just accidentally < 1364169674 483053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you read me. < 1364169677 943739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see the words I am saying. < 1364169685 753901 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169690 299290 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you asleep < 1364169695 461624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1364169731 925159 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is love < 1364169761 310432 :dessos_!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1364169762 254221 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169775 464234 :comex`!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364169783 849092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1364169796 584783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did all my messages just come in at once < 1364169804 855814 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. That would be dumb. < 1364169809 264155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am dumb < 1364169814 622066 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, lambdabot is dumb. < 1364169819 903021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364169824 484984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love lambdabot < 1364169825 960592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169826 5384 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169826 5469 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169827 331816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1364169828 139496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1364169835 884386 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I, but sometimes you have to acknowledge the dumb. < 1364169838 198076 :Mariu!Jimmy98@89.41.57.33 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1364169838 242858 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs lambdabot
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ACTION feeds lambdabot cake
< 1364169887 514389 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364169922 646523 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169987 74715 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1364170040 110804 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364170058 646599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix $ \(a,b) -> (0,0) < 1364170062 521399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1364170065 822141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix $ \~(a,b) -> (0,0) < 1364170067 647980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:7: parse error on input `\~' < 1364170074 671026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix $ \(~(a,b)) -> (0,0) < 1364170076 144168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,0) < 1364170102 626173 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix id < 1364170107 338949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1364170120 227965 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is the fixed point... of EXISTENCE < 1364170136 687417 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is nothing. deep < 1364170140 392590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how is the lyah reading going!!! < 1364170154 39366 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1364170160 52896 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went through the FFI part of the standard < 1364170185 492400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a terrible idea for a newbie < 1364170186 657804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 FFI < 1364170199 441011 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems pretty solid, at least < 1364170200 749823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the coolest things in GHC's FFI aren't in the language standard < 1364170213 374359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least some useful tricks aren't < 1364170230 638345 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing anybody does in haskell seems to be in the standard and not in ghc (note this is exaggeration get it huh) < 1364170232 780461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the fact that you can pass a ByteString to a C function with zero copying < 1364170288 378518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i cannot parse that < 1364170320 933902 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just uh, the standard doesn't seem that important, so much as whatever GHC does < 1364170327 615744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the standard is important < 1364170337 932485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells you which parts of GHC are considered bedrock and which are subject to the whims of the GHC devs < 1364170349 882093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is value in a language spec even if there's one dominant implementation < 1364170367 304275 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess. < 1364170369 791801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the bedrock isn't obeyed and the whims of the GHC devs are controlled by necessity < 1364170371 122432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prevents them from doing what Perl and PHP do where core semantics change in point releases at the whims of the devs < 1364170380 10529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though probably not being idiots also prevents them from doing that < 1364170383 861955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell how much kmc dislikes statistics by how annoyed he is at every standard deviation. < 1364170392 204981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1364170399 562325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC does deviate from the spec in at least one major way though < 1364170399 617470 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X is defined by Y equations" > "here is the behavior of X" most of the time < 1364170409 977323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is enabled by default and can't be disabled < 1364170415 974152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num superclasses? < 1364170418 521796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is it < 1364170421 163655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that (Num t) no longer implies (Eq t) and (Show t) < 1364170430 71777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can break some standards-following code < 1364170430 701084 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. is that major < 1364170438 677844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really actually major < 1364170440 369369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: (Num t) => t -> String; f = show < 1364170448 313640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that types in H2010 but not in GHC < 1364170448 872470 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's incompatible obviously < 1364170458 496606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will find real world code that breaks < 1364170461 940735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a ton of it but it does exist < 1364170474 551790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually none because there is no real world code in haskell, lolololololololololol < 1364170487 294375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would very much like for ghc to deviate from the standard more < 1364170500 706075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there is no excuse for Monad not to have the Applicative superclass < 1364170503 303087 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364170505 913316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like extensions but deviations that can't be disabled is a bigger deal < 1364170512 701952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1364170526 37063 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :question is it possible to mention haskell without complaining about people complaining about "real languages" etc in a sarcastic way < 1364170531 595802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think Num has a Show restriction in GHC < 1364170538 781078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: kmc just likes complaining < 1364170541 137044 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364170541 750593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is understandable < 1364170543 624407 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364170544 473861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like complaining too < 1364170545 69660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't realistically do that with Num because then haskell2010:Prelue.Num and base:Prelude.Num are different classes in the compiler and libraries can't be intermixed < 1364170556 126496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes that's what we were just talking about? < 1364170571 240451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How should breaking changes like that be made? < 1364170572 986617 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i become a famous whatever i become i'm gong to write all my code in snobol and make people translate it into whatever they use < 1364170577 271943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know < 1364170582 216058 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be a legendary ass < 1364170586 753649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the standard that is woefully inadequate to interpret the meaning of all haskell code (because even if you don't use extensions, your dependencies do) should not hold back haskell in practice < 1364170594 726626 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364170609 959228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be good if there was more than one Haskell compiler. < 1364170618 866145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a fairly niche language, keeping the Monad hierarchy in the stone age because it's not written down on a piece of paper for a standardisation process that moves glacially and uncertainly is a one-way ticket to stagnation < 1364170623 80047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write one < 1364170627 321953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was more clarity (especially for beginners) on which extensions are necessary and proper for everyone, and which ones are batshit stuff added last week < 1364170627 542653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's point would be much less pedantic if anything except GHC was actually viable. < 1364170641 922933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or skip Haskell and write an Idris implementation < 1364170641 971293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my point doesn't have anything to do with the number of language implementations < 1364170645 268720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1364170648 999694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was actually an active haskell standardisation process that incorporated more than the most trivial of extensions and published fairly regularly then deviations would be worse < 1364170650 270159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell 2010 isn't a formal spec anyway < 1364170655 381734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is they are necessary < 1364170656 261404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SML 4 lyfe < 1364170671 202882 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say "formal" are you talking about denotational semantics or something because, seriously < 1364170685 295905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haskell 2010 is frankly a joke in terms of the progress made in practical haskell vs. the progress the standard made over 12 years < 1364170687 741006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the only kind of semantics" < 1364170700 67231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1364170701 729932 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :operational semantics are for lame-os not mathy at all shachaf!! < 1364170713 732864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "glad we can agree" < 1364170720 929751 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to cut down on the exclamation points < 1364170721 632370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm talking about what mathematicians mean by "formalism" < 1364170722 559867 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quotes. < 1364170722 726735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1364170724 589843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbols < 1364170727 562641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rules for manipulating them < 1364170732 214617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do formal operational semantics too < 1364170734 389679 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eck < 1364170759 28630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every certifying compiler for C has a formalized operational semantics of x86 code, mechanized in Coq or something < 1364170771 876903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm certifying compilers < 1364170777 9018 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :down boy < 1364170788 721384 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well does formalizing x86 even work? < 1364170801 907999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very < 1364170808 852430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to stick to some subset < 1364170810 418181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's only ppc that's been done afaik < 1364170823 163078 :Gregor`!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1364170823 761989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also compcert like fails to do something dumb < 1364170829 827529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like idk goto into the middle of switch or something < 1364170831 727408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaCl sticks to a subset such that proof carying code isn't necessary < 1364170835 205030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's something relevant enough that it can't compile anything real < 1364170841 429406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check the program directly rather than checking a proof output by the compiler < 1364170843 84552 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : every certifying compiler for C has a formalized operational semantics of x86 code, mechanized in Coq or something // all one of them. < 1364170855 820609 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ghc < 1364170859 952811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364170867 358775 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of x86 instructions are "problematic" for formalized x86? < 1364170878 41737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great hexcellent c (compiler) < 1364170892 24327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :periodic reminder that ghc's full name is The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System < 1364170893 93337 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really the individual instructions? I would have guessed it was the shitload of weird state < 1364170901 161713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how there are approximately 0 static analysis tools for Haskell despite people constantly going on about how it's a perfect language to reason about mechanically < 1364170912 181573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting aside the GHC type checker < 1364170916 563834 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't ghc const- right. < 1364170921 416006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think kmc is on a quest to go on about haskell myths more than the myths themselves < 1364170926 466254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so < 1364170940 129593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, weird state, non-aligned instructions < 1364170944 135597 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know that old saying, formal analysis whatever will only matter when you can do it without understanding shit < 1364170944 902874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364170958 72190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote formalist < 1364170958 816551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Take a stress pill and think things over. < 1364170963 567922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are just a lot of instructions and variations of the architecture < 1364170965 276787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1364171002 821781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember SaulGorn A formalist is one who cannot understand a theory unless it is meaningless. < 1364171006 667667 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: like as an x86 programmer you know better than anybody how complicated it is to understand, and as a programmer you know how hard mapping "thing i understand -> thing the computer does" is. < 1364171010 786588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1364171027 6991 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-194.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364171030 305619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to write x86 assembly though, it's just hard to reason about arbitrary weird x86 assembly < 1364171037 7061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same is true for static analysis < 1364171037 667250 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1364171049 573077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier for a compiler to produce a binary and understand what it does, even certify it < 1364171051 627713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Saul Gorn < 1364171056 294432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364171056 339417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364171056 384686 :SDr!~ask@unaffiliated/sdr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364171068 561923 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pioneer of something something. < 1364171068 802902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :than to analyze some obfuscated malware you found on russian rapidshare < 1364171073 484935 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, that's why it confused me a little bit, since, like, if you're generating the assembly, you shouldn't have to avoid some instructions < 1364171074 457122 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a wikiquote. < 1364171078 236635 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364171092 100298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for analyzing existing assembly it might be an issue I'd think? < 1364171094 539023 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well like, kmc mentioned misaligned instructions; the nacl subset doesn't have those at all < 1364171106 326856 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nacl isn't proof carrying like he said though, right? < 1364171113 105510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and this means that indirect jumps have to be preceded by a mask instruction iirc < 1364171119 719448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah with NaCl the proof is implicit < 1364171130 486135 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's in nacl so it works"? < 1364171131 589033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"correct by inspection" < 1364171135 895796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1364171136 950708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nacl does a thing where no instructions can cross 32 byte boundaries < 1364171141 213200 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all calls and stuff are aligned to 32 bytes < 1364171146 667320 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that runs into godel problems. < 1364171147 749031 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which avoids the trick of being able to jump to the middle of an instruction < 1364171154 489456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm JIT spraying < 1364171167 740384 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep your fetishes out of here sir < 1364171170 645537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1364171171 5641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and execute misaligned instructions, which lets you smuggle in instructions you weren't supposed to be able to < 1364171175 924226 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364171194 23784 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> snd (fix (\(~(even, odd)) -> ((\n -> if n == 0 then True else not (odd n)),(\n -> if n == 0 then False else not (even n))))) 5 < 1364171197 780001 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that not work < 1364171215 635960 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks gross < 1364171216 240187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PaX's implementation of amd64 KERNEXEC (preventing ring0 from jumping to user code) is also based on masking indirect jumps < 1364171242 486416 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> snd (fix (\(~(even, odd)) -> ((\n -> if n == 0 then True else not (odd n)),(\n -> if n == 0 then False else not (even n))))) 0 < 1364171243 94248 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mutual recursion < 1364171256 992829 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad oleg wrote a mutfix combinator for me so i could avoid thinking about it < 1364171277 654582 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nacl is actually kinda cool, it's really impressive how little it has to require to prove things safe < 1364171279 916043 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lambdabot's dead. I tried it on TryHaskell and it worked for 0 but not for anything else < 1364171290 907637 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1364171295 816175 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1364171317 449226 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot caught in netsplit? < 1364171326 678203 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jconn, what do you thing? < 1364171334 442649 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'This was a triumph' < 1364171346 495075 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,, < 1364171357 966760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: good point < 1364171480 572495 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364171480 941121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364171519 846014 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1364171655 493426 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364171682 774267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364171683 34191 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364171683 215589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364171683 293004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364171711 824202 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1364171735 44743 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364171740 893975 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Excess Flood < 1364171766 53499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1364171793 810869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364171813 140855 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364171842 732216 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1364171859 621722 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw there is no other side of the split < 1364171864 611907 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just disconnected < 1364171878 829081 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a netcut < 1364171937 361685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it goes. < 1364171973 114629 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364172022 258696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172027 904926 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172053 569027 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172070 357373 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172118 370645 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172122 83588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no dark side of the moon really < 1364172125 244678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :matter of fact it's all dark < 1364172177 342530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172190 17431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4whoa, dude < 1364172190 476516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172230 292230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i too have consumed this cultural product < 1364172235 985497 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, especially the part that's reflecting sunlight and thus not dark by definition. < 1364172323 976551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172456 960982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom < 1364172461 86957 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> snd (fix (\(~(even, odd)) -> ((\n -> if n == 0 then True else not (odd n)),(\n -> if n == 0 then False else not (even n))))) 5 < 1364172463 1888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1364172469 194811 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1364172475 26450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 2013/03/25 00:46:24 [error] 23940#0: *5967814 FastCGI sent in stderr: "PHP message: PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getVar() on a non-object in /srv/esolangs.org/www/mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter/special/SpecialAbuseLog.php on line 281" while reading response header from upstream, client: 95.146.57.2, server: esolangs.org, request: "GET /wiki/Special:AbuseLog/33 HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock: < 1364172476 872284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364172477 461217 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364172477 800202 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> snd (fix (\(~(even, odd)) -> ((\n -> if n == 0 then True else not (odd n)),(\n -> if n == 0 then False else not (even n))))) 0 < 1364172479 721758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364172490 204437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 this is the error I get when trying to view the broken abuse log page < 1364172490 892161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364172501 676498 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-58-75.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172510 307903 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = x in x < 1364172513 337696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 that line is just "if ( $vars->getVar( 'action' )->toString() == 'edit' ) {" -- I think I'll just try updating the wiki < 1364172513 503022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364172514 279470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1364172616 124470 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = x in x < 1364172617 657339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1364172627 876194 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = x in x < 1364172629 449838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364172634 744090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1364172645 33791 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> snd (fix (\(~(even, odd)) -> ((\n -> if n == 0 then True else not (odd n)),(\n -> if n == 0 then False else not (even n))))) 1 < 1364172646 908341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1364172654 102578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. < 1364172658 7900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is lambdabot outputting t < 1364172660 406872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you even reading the code you are asking it to evaluate. < 1364172662 837446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it. < 1364172705 520136 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172768 706540 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364172934 979242 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-58-75.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364172936 337180 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-60-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364173000 868047 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh < 1364173018 128049 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> snd (fix (\(~(even, odd)) -> ((\n -> if n == 0 then True else not (odd (n-1))),(\n -> if n == 0 then False else not (even (n-1)))))) 5 < 1364173019 596219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364173051 495290 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1364173069 105929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another hint: even n = not (odd n). < 1364173071 21146 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: lose the nots < 1364173075 163514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then look at your selse branch. < 1364173078 899038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*else < 1364173094 765155 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird thing is i went through this same thing myself yesterday. what's up with that < 1364173144 150642 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> snd (fix (\(~(even, odd)) -> ((\n -> if n == 0 then True else odd (n-1)),(\n -> if n == 0 then False else even (n-1))))) 5 < 1364173145 667646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1364173341 308680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364173408 679685 :Lumpio_!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364173538 323514 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-60-57.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364173639 378551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: because t is the default type variable used when there are no type annotations involved that it can borrow variable names from < 1364173643 304111 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364173667 105271 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364173667 297778 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364173667 342361 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364173689 645540 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugvlkvleogtmkdkr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364173697 354655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = x; x :: fnord in x < 1364173698 998545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1364173719 430432 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1364173735 584547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = x; x :: fnord in (x, x) < 1364173736 876713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t, t1) < 1364173741 72030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1364173767 535889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = x; x :: a in (x, x) < 1364173768 864666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t, t1) < 1364173812 401848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it sometimes gets used even when there _is_ an annotation. vagaries of unification i guess. < 1364173852 565623 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364173857 791764 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1364173880 119937 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364174354 580855 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-63-221.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364174364 325003 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1364174388 119084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = x; x :: argle bargle in (x, x) < 1364174388 248402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1364174388 293055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1364174388 293149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1364174388 452788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364174388 497294 :abumirqaan!~uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1364174388 579390 :abumirqaan!~uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1364174388 624141 :abumirqaan!~uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-leguazhlqzbmzmyf JOIN :#esoteric < 1364174427 125146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1364174427 169879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(argle bargle, argle1 bargle1) < 1364174437 378647 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1364174553 925793 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364174851 204013 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should be the other kind of esoteric, then we could put a curse on the ddoser or something. < 1364174876 327714 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = x; x :: (lots of sugar, whole fat milk, whipped eggs) -> delicious baked goods in x < 1364174877 348627 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a DDoSer? < 1364174878 632658 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily i say unto you, ddoser: cut this shit out, it's boring < 1364174881 19322 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugvlkvleogtmkdkr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364174881 64388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364174884 670215 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: did you get the global notice < 1364174888 236042 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: said so in status message < 1364174905 293388 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder who's doing it < 1364174908 341076 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no < 1364174928 537192 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364174988 46380 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1364174999 855611 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kloeri(~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri)- [Global Notice] Hi again. The network issues is caused by a DDoS attack and we're working with our sponsors to have it filtered. Depending on how bored the attacker is it could be a while before everything is back to normal however. Sorry about the stability issues caused by this. < 1364175004 810885 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot seems ddosed enough < 1364175098 678745 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-63-221.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364175109 150994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `of' < 1364175109 195661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1364175125 37888 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: oops < 1364175134 321126 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-63-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364175136 98858 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that be a keyword < 1364175163 977622 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1364175175 612983 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364175394 507295 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-63-221.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364175452 374826 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364175533 130329 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1364175547 330857 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364175548 917448 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364175600 913427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364175652 280042 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-63-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1364175667 261991 :abumirqaan!~uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-leguazhlqzbmzmyf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364175714 613716 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1364175717 802620 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Excess Flood < 1364175804 916521 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1364175952 61399 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1364176246 616215 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how bored the attacker is it could be a while before everything is back to normal however. < 1364176253 115453 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that's reassuring < 1364176273 61638 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just watching that movie where there is a bomb on a plane < 1364176320 867660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that most movies < 1364176345 381703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could imagine the captain informing the passengers "ladies and gentlemen, we appear to have a device aboard the plane. it might be a bomb. we're working with the fbi to have it disarmed. depending on how bored the bomber is it could go off any second, or not at all." < 1364176366 860738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe, but in that one there's nothing else to the movie < 1364176391 410818 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, most movies < 1364176469 725458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1364176484 925823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell whether it's my connection or lambdabot's that's broken < 1364176485 899889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1364176496 335488 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo lambdabot's < 1364176571 853553 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1364176612 698731 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1364176620 254281 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely imo lambdabot < 1364176643 550375 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's lambdabot doing the ddosing < 1364176649 931621 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364176813 904723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome surma < 1364176814 846353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1364176816 964471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :surma: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364176845 837462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1364176852 817098 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thanks < 1364176869 290688 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting such a long time FOR NO MESSAGES < 1364176883 758767 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you just hate it when that happens < 1364176919 956806 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1364176924 830881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I feel like when that girl was supposed to call me and then didn't < 1364176958 71125 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364177022 75215 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that it's stereotypically never the girl's job to call < 1364177175 420458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm working based on my experience < 1364177195 386959 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably better < 1364177230 265390 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the girl was attracted to me in 100% of the situations where she was the one who called < 1364177265 831694 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1364177269 658174 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the percentages in the situations where I was the one to call aren't nearly as high < 1364177379 507290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364177420 864023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364177641 47774 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1364177665 535209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'are we recovered?' < 1364177745 235504 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid jconn made the final sacrifice, Sgeo < 1364177934 353339 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust have_faith_she_will_call >>>>>++++++++++([]++++++++++>>>>>>>>>----<<<<<<<<<<)*-1 < 1364177942 392458 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_have_faith_she_will_call: 0.0 < 1364177956 233292 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was supposed to be low but I had faith for not so low < 1364177961 888063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one kind of looks like it commits suicide < 1364177986 31841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first it only works if the tape is 14 or something < 1364177992 3196 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed a little too left-leaning < 1364178009 201679 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1364178011 208418 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1364178012 615816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that fixed-tape-size BF Joust is trivial/uninteresting... so it's hard to do much with warriors that assume it < 1364178021 169964 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust have_faith_she_will_call >>>>>++++++++++([]++++++++++>>>>>>>>>----<<<<<<<<<)*-1 < 1364178025 339019 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_have_faith_she_will_call: 0.0 < 1364178038 850476 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER < 1364178046 805721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1364178064 95405 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may just as well join a convent at this rate < 1364178069 498136 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had some foolish hope that I could win on 14 and tie on enough other lengths < 1364178122 178644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you might want to try it in egojsout or such < 1364178125 34033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look at breakdown.txt < 1364178142 570317 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that [] will not let you out until the opponent clears it < 1364178149 29726 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea < 1364178190 814447 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-63-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364178249 132280 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1364178300 96493 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh right you mean it's too late when I see it < 1364178372 255962 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1364178372 726146 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364178421 800708 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust maybe_without_a_power_of_2 >>>>>++++++++++([]++++++++++>>>>>>>>>-----<<<<<<<<<)*-1 < 1364178425 803984 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan__maybe_without_a_power_of_2: 0.0 < 1364178433 578685 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1364178470 292589 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it doesn't divide 128 it's hopeless < 1364178496 908983 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you're assuming the opponent doesn't tweak their flag? < 1364178503 592599 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1364178534 548161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well otherwise there is no point in using ()*-1 as if it were an actual loop < 1364178627 386715 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but [] doesn't work anyway. it can only see the flag is 0 on the second turn, when it's already over < 1364178677 752536 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1364178798 969344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1364178888 674970 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gondwanaland < 1364178890 931466 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364178917 328263 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364178924 636285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364178930 49928 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364178939 752643 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364178954 806195 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1364178987 882727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364179123 2571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :The 17th vigintile welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | Safe when used as directed. | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for chips. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364179183 192339 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364179186 206563 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.4 < 1364179187 128656 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow +>>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364179190 183685 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.9 < 1364179193 76070 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow +>>->>->+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364179196 44384 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.7 < 1364179202 97334 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow ->>-->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364179205 22730 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.2 < 1364179210 240632 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow ---->>-->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364179213 282787 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 27.9 < 1364179218 133590 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow ---->>++>>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364179221 50642 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.3 < 1364179222 694116 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364179225 880452 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.4 < 1364179244 748787 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364179247 616985 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1364179327 659425 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364179361 886912 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364179547 762265 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 726 seconds < 1364179548 722155 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364179607 715738 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-181-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364179621 634277 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: are you just spamming with the exact same program? oO < 1364179642 409886 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364179708 955012 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are small differences, as you can see by just glancing at the lengths < 1364179771 987233 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364179976 58968 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought the difference in score was due to the hill changing < 1364179993 182680 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely time to go to bed :) < 1364180006 734716 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1364180098 1962 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364180437 905663 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364180473 682530 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364180576 566779 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toEnum 4.7 < 1364180681 826489 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364180749 251207 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364180803 440822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int) < 1364180803 602220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the lit... < 1364180911 386191 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ignoring that incompetence for a second, Enum for floats seems quite weird. < 1364180943 610897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromEnum 4.7 < 1364180945 195282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1364180945 304425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is < 1364180949 736052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is to make ranges work < 1364180953 128799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0,0.1..10] < 1364180954 727208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,0.1,0.2,0.30000000000000004,0.4000000000000001,0.5000000000000001,0.60... < 1364180961 439025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ 3 < 1364180962 935009 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1364180963 924907 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my kind of range < 1364180964 411992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ it literally does this < 1364180972 766262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very bad & a big wart in the design < 1364180977 172082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done v v badly < 1364180978 719208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please ignore it < 1364180992 70865 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lyam already said to, i'm just wondering what possessed them to come up with that < 1364181006 898070 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there is an actual enumeration for floats! it's just kind of useless for this < 1364181020 78765 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyah < 1364181029 222174 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn yourself an ML < 1364181056 821041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's design by committee < 1364181059 937754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are always goign to be flaws < 1364181094 956476 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rephrase. I don't mean "why are there flaws" because indeed of course there are going to be flaws. I mean "what was the idea behind this particular flaw" < 1364181143 503918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1364181148 3592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the answer is that humans are stupid < 1364181150 724533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1364181154 453589 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rage < 1364181164 242789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there are 500 page long email threads about how ranges should be done and separated from Enum and shit < 1364181169 334081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that you want to be able to do like < 1364181172 900299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [LT..] < 1364181174 408473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:6: parse error on input `]' < 1364181176 690635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1364181178 100795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [LT ..] < 1364181179 543146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [LT,EQ,GT] < 1364181182 427744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1364181185 9637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [False ..] < 1364181186 475252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [False,True] < 1364181187 464593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1364181189 305533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] < 1364181190 697456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,... < 1364181191 393968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1364181202 525966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically Enum works reasonably for everything execpt floats < 1364181203 321887 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364181209 503881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they just get a bad instance instead < 1364181219 689776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well Enum fails for Integer because it gives conversion to Int but those just error out outside the range sooo) < 1364181220 333218 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1364181224 624012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and splitting this stuff up is non-obvious < 1364181227 760871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there are multiple ways you can do it < 1364181231 213403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also redundancies with the Ix typeclass < 1364181232 103037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Ix < 1364181232 305737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Ord a) => Ix a where < 1364181232 360483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : range :: (a,a) -> [a] < 1364181232 405485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : index :: (a,a) -> a -> Int < 1364181232 405732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : inRange :: (a,a) -> a -> Bool < 1364181232 405844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rangeSize :: (a,a) -> Int < 1364181236 949094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(used for array indexing) < 1364181260 624507 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclasses seem like a weird way to organize all around, honestly < 1364181285 357597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeclasses are a very good point in the design space really < 1364181295 930994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they are basically generalised OOP interfaces < 1364181307 889115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for something like Functor or Monad or whatever they're perfect < 1364181329 841327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you provide a bunch of definitions the type should support and you're done -- whether they produce values of that type or consume them or whatever < 1364181353 985646 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok yeah, functor and monad seem pretty boss. but like the numeric ones? < 1364181359 842768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type classes aren't used for the same things OO interfaces are typically used for, though. < 1364181363 587714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gngh. < 1364181371 701572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates having fallen asleep during the day.
< 1364181373 364302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyam? Learn You A MUMPS < 1364181380 325543 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i already asked about the numeric ones forget i mentioned that again < 1364181381 217116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whychaf < 1364181389 215624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can do some "ok" numeric heirarchies with typeclasses < 1364181394 207123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num itself is awful but it works < 1364181407 222885 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good design criterion < 1364181412 23912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they're not perfect but typeclasses are novel and a lot better than most of the alternatives < 1364181415 478704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now I feel awful and will continue feeling so for a few hours. < 1364181418 140028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num is an awesome, elegant typeclass that celebrates craftsmanship < 1364181420 985915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Then I won't be able to fall asleep at night. < 1364181423 627478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why awful though? < 1364181428 320250 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having never programmed long in like ML I have no idea what the alternatives are < 1364181429 184551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by novel I mean, Haskell is mostly an amalgamation of previously-implemented stuff in the (lazy) functional programming community < 1364181430 289599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. :-( < 1364181441 428740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ML or wahtever doesn't have typeclasses < 1364181445 990659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those languages suffer for the lack < 1364181447 747253 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I mean. < 1364181452 565071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that even falling asleep at 23:00 instead of 01:00 will make me wake up a few hrs later and not get back to sleep < 1364181454 418983 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-50.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364181457 750222 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know in what specific fashion they suffer (though it's easy to believe they do) < 1364181459 272387 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-181-249.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364181484 906627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like for instance, consider Map < 1364181496 439116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 + 3, 2.0 +. 3.0 < 1364181496 774771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a type (Map k a) representing an associative mapping of ks to as, yr standard old dictionary type < 1364181512 947218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the functions Just Work as long as you've defined an Ord instance for k (because it uses a tree based on the order) < 1364181522 458500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to explicitly pass in your comparison function when creating the Map < 1364181531 675651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unioning two Maps is safe because there can only be one Ord instance for k < 1364181541 897899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can use a more efficient union algorithm, because it knows the orderings of two (Map k a)s must coincide < 1364181550 488990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1364181565 370716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah what kmc said -- you don't have to have separate arithmetic literals, operators etc. for every single data type < 1364181572 314279 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find an example of why i'm wondering < 1364181583 663499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically typeclasses were invented as a way to do 'operator overloading', but have since been used for a lot more < 1364181589 805585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the story I know anywya < 1364181593 256161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be revisionist history < 1364181623 174053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available in: dvi, ps, dvi.gz, ps.gz. < 1364181625 213580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thadler < 1364181634 479316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :laziness inspires purity, which is otherwise useful. purity inspires monadic IO, which is otherwise useful. monadic IO inspires monads, which are otherwise useful < 1364181639 321402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really quite a chain of luck there < 1364181648 391437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what would zzo38 do < 1364181660 443680 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "The nub, delete, union, intersect and group functions all have their more general counterparts called nubBy, deleteBy, unionBy, intersectBy and groupBy." so obviously the type classes are used in the first group, like "defaults", but then you have a second one for when you want to do some non-global thing? < 1364181668 37729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a thing that says that. < 1364181681 754207 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvi.gz, that might be new to me < 1364181683 126289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but if you did that for Map you would have the problem that elliott mentioned < 1364181683 350892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well in that case you can think of nub as simply a synonym for nubBy cmpare < 1364181686 326845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compare < 1364181686 418015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, that is hardly unique to Haskell. < 1364181698 27777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has a different mechanism for defining what < means on a type. < 1364181698 645602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are conveniences for when you want to use the "normal" comparison function < 1364181701 465225 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1364181706 339693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the operations themselves are much more general < 1364181707 124919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python and perl sorts also let you specify your own comparison optionally < 1364181712 729224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with something like Map, the fact that instances are "global" is an *advantage* < 1364181714 770128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, oh god, C++ < 1364181730 646770 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought like everything with a builtin sort let you specify your own comparison. < 1364181731 189807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good old qsort(3)! but then you aren't really given a sensible default < 1364181744 535021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's more, the perspective should be that nub etc. are convenience definitions in terms of nubBy < 1364181747 823007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than nubBy being "generalised nub" < 1364181748 876242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ruby and javascript < 1364181757 167553 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i get that. < 1364181761 490493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a language named rubby < 1364181773 790889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also performing arbitrary computation by means of conditional vacation autoresponders < 1364181783 216336 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it could go either way. generalization is hard to do < 1364181794 88206 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364181802 522123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love generaliszation < 1364181816 260631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :q what is the obvious generalizsation of (.)? < 1364181818 119782 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generaliszation, n. generalization by szilard < 1364181828 128944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was thinking of liszt < 1364181835 956101 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was he a physicist? imo no < 1364181843 293336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway sometimes the 'one implementation per type' property of typeclasses is useful, which is why you can't consider them to be purely sugar for implicit arguments < 1364181852 491749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc..... < 1364181852 693805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is a way to think of them and also an implementation strategy < 1364181855 503946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit arguments aren't fashionable < 1364181858 235581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo yes < 1364181865 300760 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: example? < 1364181869 183851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: scala and agda have them, checkmate < 1364181876 418902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the Map thing elliott mentioned above < 1364181893 978900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're unioning two Maps, implemented as binary search trees, you want to know that they were constructed with the same comparison function < 1364181896 64024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda's implicit parameters are nothing like haskell's < 1364181914 7276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can't argue with checkmate.............................. < 1364181920 363956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that if the compr. function is just an arg to the map ctor < 1364181926 284947 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I get that example, you could like, have Maps store their comparison functions (or some more realistic mechanism for the same thing) < 1364181935 110879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but then you need to check for equality < 1364181935 219855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: But you can't compare comparison functions. < 1364181938 218945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of functns < 1364181945 213527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they don't match it's a runtime err < 1364181947 830657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If you know that the two functions are the same, you can just stick two trees together. < 1364181957 882034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{extensional equality} < 1364181981 784504 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a problem? You can just use pointer comparison, the programmer can't reasonably expect extensional equivalence towork < 1364181984 399181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i'm a meme pollinator < 1364181989 990691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/map-union one.btr two.btr < 1364182038 271452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bike < 1364182065 238692 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ssvkroaldafzwuww JOIN :#esoteric < 1364182079 290826 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with the global you're just making "there is one global [overloaded] comparison function" part of the system to solve that problem. < 1364182110 215258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, which is enforced by the language. < 1364182122 741072 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhm. < 1364182174 351985 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then what happens when you want a map on something that already has an Ord instance you don't want for that specificity? < 1364182184 131502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make a new type. < 1364182186 754309 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could like, make a type alias or whatever < 1364182208 655206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that great. < 1364182222 843242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'now you have two problems' < 1364182237 887192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how else to get the desired properties, really. < 1364182249 283556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointer equality is not a good answer. < 1364182300 960604 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? Well, I guess Haskell doesn't have Eq for functions so you can't do it. < 1364182317 490184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you don't really want to have Eq for functions. < 1364182318 511675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is that a problem? You can just use pointer comparison, the programmer can't reasonably expect extensional equivalence towork < 1364182321 971580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would like to explain why. < 1364182343 458290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so now the asymptotic performance of your map union algorithm depends on whether you use myComparisonFunction or (\x -> myComparisonFunction x) < 1364182350 935104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ando ther such operational details that the language guarantees nothing about < 1364182366 800403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that but you need an unsafe (impure) pointer comparison operation implement Map < 1364182369 765288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to implement < 1364182374 476619 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't understand when the lambda would come up, reasonably speaking? < 1364182403 323074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just an example. it could also be myComparisonFunction and myComparisonFunction < 1364182414 321629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the implementation copied it underneath. you don't know. Haskell doesn't speak about operational semantics at all < 1364182434 387193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generally I think it's nice to be able to state union's big-O without saying "but if the pointer comparison fails..." :P < 1364182440 520005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: dude Bike what is the meaning of function pointer equality < 1364182456 519593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :denotational semantics plz < 1364182460 753059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the global instances property also gives us nice things like the open world assumption < 1364182465 88065 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it gives me hives :( < 1364182471 569769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically means your program can't break by adding instances < 1364182474 389442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit more subtle than that though < 1364182481 947089 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zunsmrssyhzvgumt JOIN :#esoteric < 1364182506 174819 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like open world assumptions. < 1364182543 840051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1.5..10] < 1364182545 338385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.5,2.5,3.5,4.5,5.5,6.5,7.5,8.5,9.5,10.5] < 1364182548 592861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone mention that one to Bike............ < 1364182561 185758 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually what started this? < 1364182576 322953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i missed that < 1364182580 784705 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you mean Enum for floats being weirdass and not that specific enumeration. < 1364182588 64401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw a discussion of instance Num blah < 1364182590 165980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that one. < 1364182601 393445 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Um what do you mean? < 1364182611 460741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.5>10 < 1364182630 38299 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that. < 1364182661 974472 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mostly latched onto that 'cos i just read a thing that used the actual nextfloat function. < 1364182704 510036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo unsafeCoerce ((unsafeCoerce (10.5::Double)::Integer)+1)::Double < 1364182725 50395 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm with monqy on unsafeCoerce. < 1364182728 861500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, did I say Integer? < 1364182730 60613 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364182732 281431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant Int. Whatever. < 1364182747 206648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing about unsafeCoerce is that it does what you mean. < 1364182747 506688 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cast to bigint, watch the system go down in flames < 1364182757 986706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, it works. < 1364182763 357847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the great part!! < 1364182778 789813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer is implemented with Int# for small values. < 1364182787 356080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you overflow it'll crash, though. < 1364182788 396156 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh nonstandard < 1364182801 901078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made a norn that should be practically braindead. It's fully capable of eating and playing with toys < 1364182913 778874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have u ever, like, really compared two pointers < 1364182936 991643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo (==) :: Ptr Apple -> Ptr Orange -> Bool < 1364182941 290796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever looked at your page table? like, really looked at your page table < 1364182967 83791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah Linux has /proc/$pid/pagemap < 1364182980 768463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tells you inter alia the physical page frame number for every page in your address space < 1364183007 667806 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someday i'll stop overusing stoner jokes. or at least actually get stoned and then continue using them < 1364183025 239298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo learn category theory then make more stoner jokes < 1364183032 445213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if its higher category theory?? < 1364183037 10932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i really liked the left adjoint one < 1364183040 515583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that one < 1364183047 789565 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god why do you have to be talking about real things < 1364183048 810418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find it < 1364183059 439265 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fuckers < 1364183091 18982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the Vice President of the United States, you stupid little fuckers! < 1364183116 182202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:50:27 I have friends in high places < 1364183117 381505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1364183119 41334 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from that mech game or is it something cheney actually said at some point < 1364183124 381174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe they're in high places because elliott left adjoint somewhere. < 1364183132 445782 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's pretty good. < 1364183139 822339 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's from TV ok < 1364183165 971164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like something Nixon would say except s/Vice // < 1364183168 769840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before shachaf learned about the three ways functors could be related < 1364183187 862677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are the ways again < 1364183253 725062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote banach < 1364183255 838008 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :957) sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski" < 1364183283 907477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364183299 641704 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less good. < 1364183338 517096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's from TV? < 1364183348 566482 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's quote < 1364183354 375400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i love 957 < 1364183354 842587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i said "TV" capitaliszed....... < 1364183371 674995 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was from that one video game where you fight the vice president in a giant robot. < 1364183388 546307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that the president < 1364183394 679768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the "ex president" < 1364183396 256938 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you play as the president. < 1364183410 396545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364183416 545701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you defeat the other president < 1364183424 683693 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vice president. < 1364183469 322422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you're not talking about Sam & Max Episode 104: Abe Lincoln Must Die < 1364183499 187076 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed I'm not. Does that actually involve robots? I thought Sam & Max usually just beat people up. < 1364183509 725794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was sort of a robot, wasn't it? < 1364183518 981438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the president you fight is also the robot. < 1364183521 323628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember. < 1364183531 827 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Metalwolfcover.jpg < 1364183614 54303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq255/Sandwich35/wootstrike-21f-fa.gif?t=1296026584 < 1364183643 422651 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the prelude in the standard has a whole lexer in it for some reason < 1364183654 474188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for use by derived Read instances I think < 1364183671 664983 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in the example prelude < 1364183673 283343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a shitty parser combinator library < 1364183716 174744 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this gif about nuking israel < 1364183746 134946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The norn I created basically does not have wires leading from "I'm hungry" to "eat food" < 1364183750 238508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any similar connections < 1364183763 461563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has wires from seeing and hearing to wanting to do things with what it sees and hears < 1364183773 90390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't make decisions based on its drives < 1364183781 357662 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :norn? < 1364183789 960569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :creatureswiki.net < 1364183790 838879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about being the Shadow President < 1364183797 650592 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1364183808 321926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bad decisions you can make as Shadow President < 1364184016 304839 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1364184398 101587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to implement the polls in Internet Quiz Engine. However, to do that, it should write the data to another file, and then use another program to make it into a SQL code, and then use SQL to make the statistics of the result. < 1364184407 388420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that correct? < 1364184408 883795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god. jconn is back. < 1364184411 39780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :our life is saved. < 1364184476 387814 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we only have one? < 1364184483 364132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saved from what? The power lines? Humanity? The sun? Or, perhaps, from the keys on your computer that the letters have been rubbed off? < 1364184523 920864 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of us hunt and peck < 1364184555 438507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I forgot, maybe is save from the giant robot. < 1364184578 927377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I've hunted and pecked for so long that it's become know and peck < 1364184586 998633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been know and peck for a while < 1364184600 977882 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You actually don't know how to touch type. is that what you're telling me. < 1364184619 278117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touch typing is where you keep your hands in the same place and just move fingers? < 1364184623 851873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't know how to do that. < 1364184626 38864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot type, then you should learn to type if you want to operate your computer < 1364184631 725358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although all my fingers get used when I type < 1364184643 622619 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need like video of this or something. < 1364184650 18854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote If you cannot type, then you should learn to type if you want to operate your computer < 1364184654 246856 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :992) If you cannot type, then you should learn to type if you want to operate your computer < 1364184657 945179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i touch-type except i don't keep my fingers on the home row < 1364184659 293294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just hover < 1364184664 794173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they going to get to one thousand? < 1364184674 572658 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone like actually keep their fingers on the board < 1364184685 491739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the kinesis contoured keyboard which means keeping your fingers on the home row feels incredibly good < 1364184692 480647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as good as sex to be quite honest < 1364184698 720671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I do (except when I am not typing) < 1364184708 394337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :combined keyboard/teledildonic that rewards keeping your fingers on the home ro < 1364184711 368401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1364184716 566317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you don't really need the nic there < 1364184717 107280 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what paper should i read: lockery, buhrmann, fernando, harvey, di paolo, or some other one < 1364184724 425061 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the tele < 1364184732 646982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What other one is it? < 1364184739 15306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to pick just from the names < 1364184741 35549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo < 1364184741 976807 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1364184760 383377 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to paste the paper titles they're long and as previously established my hands don't stay on the board long enough < 1364184761 365819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe lockery < 1364184764 505308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird name < 1364184772 368999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these papers about B. T. W. < 1364184774 872212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes zzo38 < 1364184778 234710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a bigger dot i think < 1364184779 496440 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roundworms < 1364184781 761942 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24070 < 1364184784 468076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well. < 1364184786 424735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case none of them < 1364184798 414699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as previously established,[1] worms[2] are gross.[3] < 1364184798 613279 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fuck you roundworms are my totem :( :( < 1364184817 54082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you again < 1364184819 963862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you like a biologist or something < 1364184821 911831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you should play worms < 1364184827 71175 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms is fun < 1364184838 579306 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also roundworms aren't actually annelids < 1364184845 232867 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because names of animals are really dumb? < 1364184848 313644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 246 < 1364184850 251702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :246) Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want. < 1364184854 662031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind if roundworms are your totem, but it doesn't help if the [1][2][3] you don't know the notes. < 1364184863 583403 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey that was elliott. Blame him. < 1364184866 167392 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 2 < 1364184868 399602 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" < 1364184875 314712 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't say anything about any worms. < 1364184879 709299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you should fill it in if you want to know the answer of it. < 1364184904 411382 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot worms aren't actually a phylum anyway < 1364184913 29678 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the paraphyly elliott? something to hide?? < 1364184939 502277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile my pertinent question has not been answered < 1364184958 472908 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm too young to be an anything < 1364184962 334817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but i mean < 1364184966 428902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you a pretend thing of again < 1364184988 79919 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational neuroethology! it's totes a real field i didn't just make up to make you stop asking < 1364185007 983038 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly i think gross things are cute. < 1364185028 816065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once someone asked me to make a computer program to figure out the distance from here to the moon. This was many years ago. Now I have a program to calculate the distance from here to the moon. < 1364185039 954389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 865 < 1364185041 959383 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :865) If you write in the text using Unicode then how are you supposed to know if you mean seraphim have seven eyes or do they have ten? < 1364185060 136498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh are you one of those secretive people < 1364185062 414220 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anguis this is dumb. this is so dumb. animals are dumb < 1364185065 56400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you'd already said < 1364185068 909369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^----- you use SERAPHIM EYE COUNT SEQUENCE INITIATOR followed by any number of SERAPHIM EYE COUNT SEQUENCE DIGIT 0 through SERAPHIM EYE COUNT SEQUENCE DIGIT 9 < 1364185084 255253 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i hadn't already said because it's not much to do with this channel. that is actually my "dream field" though. < 1364185090 924633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it philosophy. it's ok i know a guy studying philosophy. i only hate his guts 100% < 1364185098 18984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be 200% but he's also doing mathematics < 1364185111 462899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1364185121 108921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does anything have anything to do with this cahnenl < 1364185125 872827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And then does the multiocular O code terminate it? < 1364185134 589955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1364185139 811901 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Computational_neuroethology < 1364185143 383364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you liking common lisp has nothing to do with this channel... but it's still the reason you're terrible < 1364185147 569548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they are combining chars on the multiocular O directly < 1364185163 541672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the above is how the (deprecated) language code indicators work < 1364185169 571202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i like how you can just stick "computational" onto the start of any field. < 1364185172 272683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an entire copy of the latin alphabet as invisible combining chars < 1364185172 583704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get a new field < 1364185174 515095 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it's great < 1364185178 721567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not modifying a specific character < 1364185188 822194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational history < 1364185191 796099 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational neuroethology leads to building machines with no other use but irritating small animals though < 1364185192 806044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational english < 1364185194 936873 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's cool in my gook < 1364185200 44466 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :book < 1364185202 737381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational sociology < 1364185204 697679 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't computational english stylometry < 1364185214 88325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational neurotheology < 1364185235 453755 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neuro- is similar to computational in this respect, in that "neurotheology" is something that people actually say they do. < 1364185248 202836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364185253 505809 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for making it computational you get Francis Dec to help out or something. < 1364185258 815210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would definitely read about computational neurotheology < 1364185261 475859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy < 1364185263 26534 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer gangster theology < 1364185269 645581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=oOYrCHi7yjM&start1=0&video2=FB18DV1SQmI&start2=0&authorName=crunkbourgeois&h=1 < 1364185278 242502 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunkbourgeois eh < 1364185316 210830 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is great. < 1364185393 726371 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is he even saying < 1364185406 847382 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maximum security insanity prison" < 1364185423 416020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this is hilarious < 1364185446 642821 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admire whoever read this. i could not keep this up < 1364185514 674454 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just said the sky isn't real < 1364185542 534739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even hear the words. it's all one big thing < 1364185590 373965 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadly frankenstein communist gangster conspiracy worldwide systematic plastic surgery instantaneously < 1364185620 708017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=q2I5NvjhqwI&start1=219&video2=hKLpJtvzlEI&start2=240&authorName=Real < 1364185637 410073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is he saying the n word. < 1364185644 373070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even tell what's going on. < 1364185677 497699 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he is < 1364185696 485418 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess crazy people are racist sometime? < 1364185707 265096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :donate money, or even a manual typewriter, to me! < 1364185731 353607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which model of typewriters would be best for that purpose? < 1364185739 698731 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i've never actually heard or read anything by alex jones before. < 1364185744 643059 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks kmc < 1364185763 630273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term is thmc < 1364185768 250276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=VgAXZHMi_ws&start1=0&video2=TMQLLqiKaas&start2=0&authorName=Ann+O%27Nymous < 1364185774 318420 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit jones. < 1364185782 906933 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he going to destroy the camera < 1364185799 965193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is xkcd trying to make a fool of me or is there actually something < 1364185805 786986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't it be both < 1364185819 130644 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm pissed off now" no really < 1364185819 502624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to my computer the distance from here to the moon is 0.0025718 AU < 1364185839 856792 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelliott for the "thmc" tidbit < 1364185846 147282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just in case you need to know those distance) < 1364185960 958937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the rant thing kmc linked originally < 1364185964 24157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is something Bike already linked here?? < 1364185967 489151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bentoandstarchky.com/dec/containmentpolicy.htm < 1364185973 644131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was bike right < 1364185989 417379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno probably < 1364186078 93707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iunno probably" -- Bike, Bike's tombstone < 1364186132 599523 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you implying < 1364186162 938251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm implying you're going to die rip < 1364186170 525002 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1364186211 788898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your heart will explode. < 1364186238 647166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364186268 467448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop making what I think are BGO references because BGO is literally just references to other things < 1364186275 759100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Your heart will explode comes from WoW < 1364186317 138071 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember it from kill bill so that means the original is some 1960s action film nobody's ever seen < 1364186403 810766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of that one time i thought a princess bride reference was a kill bill reference (i haven't seen either) and everyone gave me shit about not having seen the princess bride for days :'| < 1364186464 195386 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tch i'll bet you haven't seen The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies either you shrub < 1364186501 599498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats so true Bike < 1364186503 179164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a failure < 1364186531 762267 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some screenings, employees in monster masks, sometimes including Steckler himself, would run into the theater to scare the audience (The gimmick was billed as "Hallucinogenic Hypnovision" on the film's posters). < 1364186553 101672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes "!!?" is appended to the title) --Wikipedia < 1364186561 613110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/10 on imdb, that's how you know it's good < 1364186585 175607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the time of release, The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies was the second longest titled film in the horror genre (Roger Corman's The Saga of the Viking Women and Their Voyage to the Waters of the Great Sea Serpent being the first).[1] < 1364186600 135986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was not, however, the originally intended title of the film. As Steckler relates, the film was supposed to be titled The Incredibly Strange Creatures, or Why I Stopped Living and Became a Mixed-up Zombie, but was changed in response to Columbia Pictures' threat of a lawsuit over the name's similarity to Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, which was under production at the time.[2] < 1364186602 282995 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn i haven't seen that one < 1364186606 436391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking fantastic < 1364186611 174115 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet they were totally serious < 1364186651 987762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that sea serpent one < 1364186652 669888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Criticism < 1364186652 730176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The film currently holds a 2.5/10 user rating on IMDb. < 1364186658 320117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to see Dr. Strangelove < 1364186658 374657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats literally the entire criticism section of the wp article < 1364186668 320075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have a plot summary < 1364186820 900245 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need one? < 1364186845 974064 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes you do < 1364186859 972211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I've seen The Princess Bride < 1364186883 384005 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is clearly the superior elliott < 1364186905 895479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'll find i am the optimal elliott < 1364186909 290025 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should add the metascore < 1364186914 137476 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rotten tomatoes < 1364186950 35238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add, not average, and don't put context of out of how many < 1364186954 669432 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.. < 1364186955 787118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1364186999 824882 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give this film a 2+i < 1364187140 301963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike i'm bored. tell me to do something. < 1364187195 628022 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go ride a bike < 1364187199 716102 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see what i did there) < 1364187248 569280 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. what is a thing to do. an action one can take to be in the state of performing an action. < 1364187256 293294 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario Kart. < 1364187337 591307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can breathe. < 1364187340 514262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope. < 1364187342 710009 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 < 1364187763 379559 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be something not boring. breathing sucks < 1364188122 241932 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364188186 55749 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364188213 171921 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364188213 216927 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364188355 415652 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364188432 700104 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://totl.net/HonourSystem/ is broken :( < 1364188498 931035 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364188792 995749 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364188825 547859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think zzo38 might be interested in this http://data.totl.net/ < 1364188857 287525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1364188857 507793 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364188857 889583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play Tic Tac Toe in RDF. < 1364188887 48602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1364188915 625157 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364188954 346958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good they have the Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge < 1364188981 520055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_tax < 1364189013 34162 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those that are included in this classification < 1364189120 174832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://graphite.ecs.soton.ac.uk/browser/?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2F01%2Frdf-schema%23Class#http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#Class < 1364189240 279588 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1364189292 150780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why < 1364189300 16808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did they - yes < 1364189343 121120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why what < 1364189603 47855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a list of things that cause and prevent cancer; some things are specified as both < 1364189878 851758 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364189915 139228 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364189974 556807 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190096 991202 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190152 84012 :yiyus_!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190163 483604 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364190200 787698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But these various datasets do show some examples of how these things works. < 1364190242 995249 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190273 623751 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190301 214218 :Zuu_!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190338 605923 :lahwran-!lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190380 444897 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190380 844336 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190381 36241 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190381 36365 :lahwran!lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190381 81023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190381 125715 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db406e0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190381 170544 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190381 446871 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364190414 103926 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190437 156197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their tarot deck is not really a standard/generic deck. The standard Latin suits are swords, rods, money, and cups. Furthermore, the trumps do not have consistent names in different decks, but they are always numbered I to XXI (and sometimes the Fool (also called Excuse) is a trump, too). < 1364190441 622028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364190499 530537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The different decks have suits based on the Latin suits; commoly seen is that the rods are wands and the coins have pentagrams on them. < 1364190548 931323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other variants, too. < 1364190676 595100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I Three undertrumps after an opponent's discard of a Trebled Fromp < 1364190731 200208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome FireFly < 1364190733 403691 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364190753 986907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But that is in Double Fanucci, not in tarot. < 1364190769 415072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you ever played Double Fanucci? < 1364190777 488962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1364191050 897307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some tarot decks the cups are called chalices. It doesn't matter what they are called; if something says the suit of "money" or of "pentacles" or "disks" then they mean the same suit; whatever suit happens to correspond to "money" in the deck you are using. Sometimes the Excuse card is simply called "the highest trump" (in PySol, for example); when it is a trump, it usually is the highest one, but it is not always a trump. < 1364191078 922842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones are the fromps < 1364191110 853927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is easier to explain if you find the picture < 1364191261 677229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call the trumps and Excuse card together "majors" (or "Major Arcana", but "majors" is shorter), and the other cards "minors" (or "Minor Arcana"). This is useful when those cards are not being used as trumps, to avoid confusion. (The game Chicks Rule calls them "bettys" since any suit (including the majors) can be trumps; I don't quite know why they didn't choose "majors") < 1364191473 441408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have an entire chess game in RDF? Actually they have only one state at a time, so it is not the complete game < 1364191510 537277 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do your chess games usually have multiple states at once < 1364191545 394313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1364191558 354662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some variants may have, though. < 1364191593 259314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see anything like a XSLT file which will generate the RDF for the current state, or anything else like that. < 1364191810 934552 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364192324 756799 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364192351 343874 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364192351 427349 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364192839 761625 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1364193232 342956 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364193249 623729 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.164 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364193313 698899 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364193328 518650 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1364193349 881281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sp0oky < 1364193352 647311 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp0oky: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364193360 11796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2spooky < 1364193492 786434 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just playing with my phone to see how well IRC works. < 1364193518 428113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than it was a little while ago < 1364193579 408481 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored < 1364193599 666583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm supposed to be asleep < 1364193604 832971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have work tomorrow. < 1364193606 766204 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario Kart. < 1364193609 531862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a weird sentence. < 1364193660 612813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ignored Bike's suggestion because i have no way of playing mario kart right now < 1364193664 376468 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no job < 1364193697 299263 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could on my snes emulator < 1364193753 993467 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meatfighter.com/java4k2013/rainbowroad/ < 1364193762 414395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it your first day? < 1364193823 893604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1364193844 832564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats and good luck :) < 1364193881 664106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1364193888 349380 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he said < 1364193895 940366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would need the game too, not only the emulator (or hardware). Have you written any game on SNES? < 1364193922 625180 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but u can download Roma < 1364193933 504901 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROMS < 1364193949 19893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, you need the ROM image of the game < 1364193984 689686 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have final fantasy maybe I'll play that < 1364194041 558120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play whatever you have; I made many computer games too, but there are others, too. < 1364194070 867984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there is many of Final Fantasy game? < 1364194109 441563 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choices are limited. All I have is my LG smartphone. < 1364194137 880231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have another computer or game console system or whatever? < 1364194192 784006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are games specifically for the smartphone, although there may also be emulators for other systems, allowing the same games to be played on a different systems. < 1364194193 798461 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, nope. I live on the streets of la < 1364194277 116236 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go to an internet cafe so I can root this thing < 1364194368 37341 :sp0oky!~androirc@174.141.212.139 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364194384 203349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have Android, you can find several games, emulators, and others from http://pdroms.de/files/android/ and if you have an emulator you can download files for those other systems too. < 1364194873 191818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364195063 101246 :[mbm]!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm PRIVMSG #esoteric :square actually sells a final fantasy game for both iphone and android .. no need to run an emulator < 1364195536 571354 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pnas.org/content/110/7/2641.abstract.html "neurocomputation". the prophecy of elliott has come to pass < 1364195583 559419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational neurocomputation < 1364195629 671253 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364195984 809229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mbm]: I didn't know that. But I think there are many Final Fantasy games, isn't it? < 1364196005 648875 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: noon < 1364196275 281578 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364196417 807197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell Android ports of 1, 2 and 3 (according to the proper numbering); and the 3 is the "3D" remake, the one that was made for the DS. < 1364196542 167525 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1364196559 7471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a mobile-exclusive thing called Final Fantasy Dimensions, AIUI. < 1364196643 1648 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :// WARNING: Enabling sounds may compromise security if Crawl is installed setuid or setgid. < 1364196643 252746 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :// #define SOUND_PLAY_COMMAND "/usr/bin/play -v .5 %s 2>/dev/null &" < 1364196658 328117 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364196662 383493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best thing. < 1364196668 336150 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't think of any system where crawl isn't setgid) < 1364196690 378840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: looks secure to me < 1364196707 679790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7965160 Nov 15 07:50 /usr/games/crawl < 1364196789 46819 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound in crawl. cute. < 1364196811 811087 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-sr-x 1 root games 6824968 2010-10-16 14:35 crawl < 1364196813 565606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1364196819 48855 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1364196824 347697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to see you back in here < 1364196841 877485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1364196851 836181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were "gone awhile" < 1364196870 34446 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :il be gone another awhile "fair warning" < 1364196880 577751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1364196883 207924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long anwhile < 1364196906 368697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the sound in Crawl just plain growling? < 1364196908 369575 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um idk maybe thursdayish < 1364196916 767237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow < 1364196937 58577 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jkorg2xnYI < 1364196969 213677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is that crawl with tiles..................... < 1364197027 224674 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364197054 650205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people play crawl with tiles. i don't. i don't play crawl. < 1364197078 220550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is indeed very cute and not annoying at all. < 1364197229 466295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow these are some "hi quality sound fx" < 1364197244 658809 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7.7M 2013-02-06 17:34 /usr/bin/crawl < 1364197265 200480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of any reason you'd run crawl as setgid < 1364197275 267218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not if you're compiling it manually as you have to to get sound support < 1364197275 376243 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh ywould you install crawl locally < 1364197292 130683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "not everyoen has an interner contnectoin" < 1364197349 656169 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you compile the 'git master' < 1364197393 559046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'Pow!' said Zaphod. 'Freeeoooo! Pop pop pop!'", to quote a book, in re the sound effects. < 1364197453 839796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OWDM it's about Crawl (with tiles)? < 1364198110 848900 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364198239 154415 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364198694 77362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364198978 548633 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1364199115 54707 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364199170 223661 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364199436 847521 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION weeps
< 1364199442 930005 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid evolver, I don't want 100 vibrators D: < 1364199453 490071 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least attempt to rush! < 1364199499 896999 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364199598 788276 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364199601 232993 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.<(.<(.<(.<)*-1)*-1(.<)*-1)*-1(.<(.<)*-1)*-1 < 1364199604 129020 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice individual you have there < 1364199623 64164 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a shame if anything were to.... happen to it < 1364199624 392655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can open an adult store to get rid of them. < 1364199691 963746 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I would prefer that something happen to it < 1364199695 239846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I put in that thing I was talking about, the thing which takes a set of programs A, and then talks to the outside world over stdin/stdout, by accepting a program and outputting its scores against set A. < 1364199744 136183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't benchmarked at all how much that saves time w.r.t. just individual executions. < 1364199747 843671 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1364199777 335559 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vibrator jousting < 1364199819 603958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should run a quick test on the thing. < 1364199889 468698 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in case you have a use for it < 1364199917 596061 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.lymiahugs.com/download/esolang/bfjoust-collection.tar.xz https://files.lymiahugs.com/egojoust-stats < 1364199948 9933 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1364199948 330293 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.lymiahugs.com/downloads/esolang/bfjoust-collection.tar.xz < 1364199969 168202 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .tar.xz is Windows in compatible due to file names. Don't try that :p < 1364200060 83966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: http://sprunge.us/fZLC those should be vaguely comparable benchmarks. < 1364200062 382439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1036:ehird_shade_needs_to_get_laid < 1364200104 524115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hill_nonl is hill with all newline characters stripped, because genelance interprets a newline as end of program.) < 1364200152 979072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I'll a lunch.) < 1364200166 949510 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems nice. < 1364200203 237334 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust screwyouevolver (-)*-1 < 1364200218 70106 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that it never figures out how to rush < 1364200228 725005 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you run it against the hill itself only for a few hundred generations < 1364200231 761468 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ties counted as losses < 1364200262 246745 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-appreciate-the-effort (-++)*-1 < 1364200273 1468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i think that was one of my tweaking a random programs thing < 1364200288 635709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably whoeveritwas_shade (I think that was #1 at one point????) < 1364200304 611429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience < 1364200314 7263 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that, whatever his nick was < 1364200338 18072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, just an aside on all the sex-related stuff lately < 1364200348 739561 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364200446 556467 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can you add an optimization, like. < 1364200447 208989 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364200447 253554 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364200448 84529 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364200453 118076 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If both programs end the reach of their code, call it a tie < 1364200463 130355 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other similar things for programs that don't really do much < 1364200533 842530 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes EgoBot
< 1364200535 444196 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellloooo < 1364200537 637539 :Sanky_!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1364200711 787018 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1364200712 932432 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1364200719 552993 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is EgoBot dead? < 1364200748 582149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1364200764 216496 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It quit and came back three hours ago and hasn't said anything since < 1364200792 62955 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364200817 151682 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364200825 136507 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364200826 183544 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364200826 386257 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364200826 430955 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364200826 431100 :yiyus_!~124271242@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364200826 498924 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364200868 693287 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364200902 672569 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364200945 646949 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current best individual: -[--><])*-1 < 1364200949 775950 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1364200954 254179 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364200958 989063 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current best individual: -([--><])*-1 < 1364200963 582511 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364200971 591187 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at a loss for words < 1364200975 450546 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364200997 857695 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1364201054 927881 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364201065 200222 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364201065 244643 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1364201083 366058 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 243 seconds < 1364201102 739723 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense -([--><])*-1 < 1364201107 710145 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense: 13.2 < 1364201140 727080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsplit sorted it out < 1364201145 29702 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that equivalent to not having the *-1? < 1364201162 359009 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or how long does ][ take < 1364201188 746788 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to have a slight effect. < 1364201193 932589 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure < 1364201197 664921 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take two ticks when it's zero. < 1364201202 736942 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. which is very counterproductive < 1364201208 869418 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point the game ends < 1364201213 556948 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense -([--><]+)*-1 < 1364201218 599719 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense: 13.2 < 1364201223 682286 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364201224 497512 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1364201237 261272 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it got slightly more points < 1364201275 481863 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364201281 116661 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a difference between >< and .. ? < 1364201287 95076 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1364201296 452649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, the latter kills you if you are at the edge of the tape < 1364201296 562495 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1364201296 780470 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. doesn't lose. < 1364201304 315174 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1364201305 943586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right edge, that is < 1364201312 840629 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense -([--..]+)*-1 < 1364201316 687122 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wrong edge < 1364201317 990177 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense: 13.2 < 1364201326 93235 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364201331 501624 :ogrom!~del@host226.wifilink.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364201390 963464 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what's *-1 ? I know that *n for positive n is for abbreviating repetition < 1364201397 682052 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-1 is infinite repeat < 1364201402 532415 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense -[--..] < 1364201406 758778 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense: 12.9 < 1364201411 684699 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT identical? < 1364201413 92401 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1364201415 906702 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense -[[--..]] < 1364201420 794081 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense: 12.2 < 1364201424 47981 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boggles
< 1364201424 405199 :ogrom!~del@host226.wifilink.ee PART :#esoteric < 1364201544 708337 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense -([->-<]+)*-1 < 1364201547 822066 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_ihopethisturnsintosomethingthatsnotdefense: 5.1 < 1364201583 555486 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: The extra [] adds a timing difference, even though it's essentially the same < 1364201652 455685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite the same < 1364201657 100953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the timing means it can change between ] and ] < 1364201703 485505 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that too < 1364201845 29264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or [ and [ even < 1364201962 10417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-1 is technically *100000 there. < 1364201962 952746 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust bluh (-)*-1 < 1364201967 136556 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FireFly_bluh: 7.5 < 1364202107 502853 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolver! You're supposed to be local minima-proof >_<; < 1364202129 649659 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364202133 722367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust fibo (+-++---(+)*5(-)*8(+)*13(-)*21)*-1 < 1364202137 707078 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_fibo: 9.1 < 1364202173 311301 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is fibo < 1364202182 120114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fibonacci numbers? < 1364202193 888806 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 5 8 13 21 < 1364202196 534652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fibonacci numbers: F(n) = F(n-1) + F(n-2) with F(0) = 0 and F(1) = 1. < 1364202196 618209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1364202217 19395 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust batteries_not_included (+-)*-1 < 1364202221 57509 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_batteries_not_included: 6.2 < 1364202226 991887 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364202282 943375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust primary ((+)*2(-)*3(+)*5(-)*7(+)*11(-)*13(+)*17(-)*19(+)*23(-)*29(+)*31(-)*37(+)*41(-)*43(+)*47(-)*51)*-1 < 1364202287 57250 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Deewiant_primary: 10.5 < 1364202294 771579 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 49 283 5 < 1364202305 40890 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1364202306 354872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1364202314 45821 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 1 2 3 < 1364202329 295144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: thread killed < 1364202336 279608 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1364202349 535028 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best sequence. < 1364202351 548553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: thread killed < 1364202353 509852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis.org, no need to kill lambdabot < 1364202378 288633 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 1 2 3 5 8 13 < 1364202382 414577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Number of binary Lyndon words of length n with trace 1 and subtrace 1 over Z... < 1364202382 509464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,1,2,3,5,8,13,24,45,85,160,297,550,1024,1920,3626,6885,13107,24989,477... < 1364202395 830588 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 1 3 4 6 6 < 1364202407 29473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Minimum number of steps to reach n! starting from 1 and using the operations... < 1364202407 156834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,3,4,6,6,7,8,8,9,9,10] < 1364202432 357535 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how only 12 of those are known < 1364202437 748317 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A217032 :-) < 1364202459 186870 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know a few more :-) < 1364202486 504950 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :known to be known < 1364202503 399945 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364202555 242534 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 1 3 4 6 6 7 8 8 9 9 10 11 11 12 12 12 < 1364202570 334772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: thread killed < 1364202596 984705 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wins :-D
< 1364202691 524711 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oies 13371337 < 1364202693 519741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1364202698 475529 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oies 999999 < 1364202699 648593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10^n - 1. < 1364202699 738923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,9,99,999,9999,99999,999999,9999999,99999999,999999999,9999999999,99999999... < 1364202704 93586 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater < 1364202750 95085 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust you-can-rush-now (->->[-])*-1>[--[-]] < 1364202753 152576 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_you-can-rush-now: 0.0 < 1364202761 321127 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :..!? < 1364202784 285603 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust you-can-rush-now (->->[-])*-1 < 1364202787 253079 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_you-can-rush-now: 0.0 < 1364202790 520574 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this black magic < 1364202814 563686 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1364202815 225488 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1364202819 65514 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (->->[-].)*-1 < 1364202820 884945 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatally incompatible fitness functions < 1364202821 794877 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 0.0 < 1364202830 1995 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (->[-])*-1 < 1364202832 958205 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 14.0 < 1364202842 471973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust :-) < 1364202843 172298 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1364202845 404619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi :-) < 1364202848 526730 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_hi: 0.0 < 1364202850 221652 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you too < 1364203084 235325 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust makeupyourmind! --(--(--(---+)*-1-+)*-1-+)*-1-+ < 1364203090 351490 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_makeupyourmind_: 12.1 < 1364203446 218163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i just realised i subconsciously associate you with the pink floyd song of the same name and keep hearing it when you say things. thought you should know < 1364203480 222599 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good song < 1364203558 314956 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-50.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364203601 427601 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364203627 142619 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pink floyd song called bike? < 1364203636 590143 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmW17QvUhRM < 1364203649 742887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1364203662 796867 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make a table of every song called "Bike", so far I know two < 1364203684 243488 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on pink floyd's first album. how the fuck did they ever get popular < 1364203734 933248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you named after a song.......................................... < 1364203748 325929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the song is named after you < 1364203780 302878 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm named after a stuffed animal but i don't know what the stuffed animal is named after? probably me < 1364203972 26518 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1364204016 257009 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone < 1364204020 951005 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here to serve a purpose. < 1364204036 168465 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose pertains to all who are present within this room. < 1364204050 193455 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask and thou shallt receiveth. < 1364204058 562694 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme porn < 1364204076 394659 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shall be rewarded with esoteric porn. < 1364204083 456926 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see it? No? Open your minds eye. < 1364204092 834384 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome experience < 1364204097 753788 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :experience: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364204107 195179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :experience: i like you < 1364204109 881102 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 QUIT :Quit: itsy < 1364204181 73833 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is a programming oriented channel. < 1364204200 584607 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming? Like the code that makes up the Matrix? < 1364204215 129800 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consult your pineal gland and learn the answer < 1364204252 21630 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I see you speak in proverbs. < 1364204292 538953 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must be the chosen one. < 1364204310 707662 :experience!~experienc@cpe-174-108-088-002.carolina.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1364204319 992202 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad we got that cleared up. night < 1364204327 458779 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sophisticated decay < 1364204353 10105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss experience already < 1364204441 472151 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364204504 205512 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, has experience gone :-( I didn't get chance to ask... < 1364204587 646340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas. < 1364205180 69773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to open-source Antiposeball 5 < 1364205263 194333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm making much money off it, and if I am, I shouldn't be < 1364205267 748767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is old and buggy < 1364205285 54049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you not know whether you are making money off it or not < 1364205309 531889 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-200 (->->[-])*-1>[--[-]] < 1364205312 527745 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-200: 0.0 < 1364205313 772653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is the meaning of 'much' < 1364205316 758951 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-200 (->[-])*-1>[--[-]] < 1364205319 712343 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-200: 14.0 < 1364205321 902943 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1364205323 2531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$300 or so over 6 years does not really seem like much < 1364205323 57087 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously < 1364205324 158704 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some kind of printer server. < 1364205330 154430 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't my evolver achieve a 2 opcode deletion < 1364205361 260247 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh < 1364205364 123015 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probs encoded weirdly < 1364205377 546887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently getting maybe a few cents a month < 1364205398 477758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if I never sold it in the first place, if I just gave it away, Second Life might be a happier place < 1364205404 104966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I kind of feel guilty about that < 1364205492 956587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti < 1364205611 303667 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1364205867 819236 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db406e0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364205889 256219 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1364205896 541023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman < 1364205915 757932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode is weird. < 1364205975 239240 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1364205976 791774 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION weeps
< 1364205993 116261 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The disabling of the gene function seems to improve the evolver slightly. < 1364205997 312020 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to have to run a full experiment...
< 1364206299 565853 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1364206301 601242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1364206340 565189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's my olist < 1364206394 89737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say I was unaware it was updated, but it wasn't actually updated < 1364206423 2279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's my update < 1364206616 673562 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust the-evolver-likes-this (+++--)*-1 < 1364206620 698254 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_the-evolver-likes-this: 7.0 < 1364206713 893192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 NICK :NotRichBurlew < 1364206767 173904 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :PoorBurlew? < 1364206785 33938 :NotRichBurlew!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 < 1364206792 426058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorlew < 1364207099 567791 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hmm. maybe it would be useful to write a test for the evolver's code to make sure it "agrees" with what the hill thinks? < 1364207120 321362 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. give the scorer various known-okay programs and see if it agrees with the hill on how good they are relative to each other < 1364207125 505621 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sort of a sanity test < 1364207140 700302 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nyannyan (++-.+)*-1 < 1364207143 663060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I wonder if genetically evolving based on lots of existing hill programs as seeds would work < 1364207145 758744 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_nyannyan: 16.1 < 1364207157 417462 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, I know the algorithm is different < 1364207165 520177 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The differences are small enough that I don't /expect/ a huge problem. < 1364207173 919943 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364207235 292880 :NotRichBurlew!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 NICK :Sgeo < 1364207308 78268 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1364207312 479685 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the scaling based on 'value' < 1364207312 788146 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a hill with 40 crappy evolved programs that are vulnerable to the same strategy, that'll favor specific programs from the existing hill < 1364207315 515912 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have problems here < 1364207340 745479 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm comparing using the best 100 programs from egobot. < 1364207346 861693 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no inner-hill evaluations. < 1364207353 1821 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set too high a population size for that to be practical. < 1364207359 883153 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best 100 programs, historically) < 1364207448 933721 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364207497 455169 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I have a speciation algorithm that should prevent fluctuations in a self-against-self hill too. < 1364207538 741969 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe separate evolution groups, so you have like multiple groups that face against each other but don't interbreed? < 1364207546 898245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that makes any sense < 1364207611 327057 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, species? < 1364207623 341014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such thing as nair for faces? because i hate shaving < 1364207666 22914 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think there is, but it's mostly advertised for menopausal women < 1364207673 157759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop shaving and grow a beard? < 1364207734 15501 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... okay yeah, species <.< < 1364207766 661375 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think I remember facial skin is too sensitive for that stuff < 1364207780 931958 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guy-facial-hair probably needs really strong chemicals to burn through < 1364207815 642196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's laser, but I'm not sure how well that works for guys, since testosterone might make the hair regrow eventually (?) < 1364207984 330335 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ping < 1364208006 340320 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is a substantial lack of fungot < 1364208010 269624 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1364208010 475819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1364208093 183891 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just grow a beard...++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++666666++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ < 1364208110 698909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... < 1364208111 864808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1364208115 110806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the ritual mutilation of shaving < 1364208121 540387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1364208139 545192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only do I have at least one bleeding cut right now, but I'm still stubbly < 1364208159 150452 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am in a similar boat < 1364208159 898951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how "growing a beard" sounds like you're actively doing something, but it's just the absence of shaving < 1364208162 558556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think "mutilation" is a tad overdramatic < 1364208181 262144 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you not UNDERSTAND the EFFORT that goes into GROWING A BEARD!? < 1364208185 948924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1364208213 65579 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: for a while there's the telling people that it looks crap because you're trying to grow it < 1364208246 981288 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just not tell people < 1364208256 808430 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they /ask/ < 1364208259 173621 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do people ask you why your beard looks crap? < 1364208276 424583 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They constantly /ask/ < 1364208285 636611 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell them to shut up then < 1364208290 489926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure beards don't exist & everyone who has one is actually just cutting off their hair and supergluing it to their chin < 1364208299 109662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen any evidence to the contrary < 1364208301 399300 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you're wrong < 1364208305 192218 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish < 1364208310 90730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: is this finnish socialisation < 1364208316 572243 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, beards? < 1364208325 303720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling people to shut up < 1364208340 642718 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland you don't need to do that, people do that automatically < 1364208351 50841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never shaved in high school. People talked about my moustache, which made me feel awkward because my self-image is clean-shaven < 1364208351 397645 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to tell them to do that* < 1364208377 90508 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364208406 302963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1364208409 260486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should upgrade the wiki < 1364208417 15723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably be a good thing to do < 1364208420 542384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: change your self image to match reality < 1364208487 316003 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364208589 410478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I forgot mediawiki extensions are kind of awful. :( < 1364208662 91163 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rite ur own wiki softwarez < 1364208672 650623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how about you do it for me < 1364208752 950865 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I need to learn latin and find a shirt with the flag of Finland on it < 1364208797 123704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that help your write a wiki softwarez? < 1364208834 675694 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that help with anything < 1364208847 238398 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: latin is the best programming language for writing a wiki softwarez (true fact tm) < 1364208856 881217 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they only let people who look Finnish use it < 1364208861 773346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how is mushbefungething < 1364208863 483293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 < 1364208869 263915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.com < 1364208880 981289 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Haven't touched it in months < 1364208893 692872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I have my money back < 1364208918 641159 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you can even have it in any currency of your choice < 1364208936 620868 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just give me your bank account details and I'll sort it out for you < 1364208976 723230 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364208977 997781 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write me a library for representing arbitrary polytopes with axis-aligned sides < 1364208979 125552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Where were you? < 1364208979 781884 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i tried fnord few days ago < 1364208992 24479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, that explains it, I suppose. < 1364209018 604079 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard fnord's nasty < 1364209028 561464 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a bonus, improve upon the best known approximation for minimal tessellation of it in 3D < 1364209039 437336 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can knock you out for weeks, if you're not careful < 1364209056 203743 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 2D algorithm is optimal... as a bonus prove that it is or improve on it < 1364209089 109902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for befunge. < 1364209110 955229 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1364209113 684343 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2D one is < 1364209254 883790 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you have a shirt with the Finnish flag on it < 1364209291 130823 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't think so, no < 1364209297 520132 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww < 1364209303 60078 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you? < 1364209303 899722 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: would writing code that depends on another scheme48 library y would create a slip connection. :p ( around 5 hours for the ibook.) < 1364209316 958947 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for dodging the question < 1364209335 476186 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get started I just need the representation, plus a way of subtracting (hyper)rectangles from it < 1364209384 704579 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure of the best way to go about that so I kind of left the whole thing to chill for a while < 1364209418 517313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The website of the bus I use is broken :*( < 1364209490 790316 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire alarm... < 1364209492 5604 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /think/ I'd need to use a proper edge data structure which kind of means that I'd have to take the existing structure I use and see about generalizing the code sufficiently that I can use it for this case as well) < 1364209504 534377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanb be safe < 1364209581 505544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb be dangerous < 1364209610 592078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeTaneb < 1364209680 597384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to walk away from comp instead of blowing a gasket at unreadable train schedules
< 1364209752 915615 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364210803 237996 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1364211221 48600 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364211403 881396 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1364211445 613281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I still type with a band-aid on my thumb? The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. < 1364211458 116981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I didn't try to use the thumb even once. < 1364211543 300796 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quick brown fox hunts, but the lazy hen pecks. < 1364211735 19246 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364211836 703195 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364212665 436877 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364212694 935660 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364212694 980245 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364212831 517216 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364212942 351176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Mar/166 Port scanning /0 using insecure embedded devices < 1364212948 765461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ^ might find that interesting if you haven't seen? < 1364213266 171477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-19 23:22:44 http://internetcensus2012.github.com/InternetCensus2012/paper.html so um <-- you seem to have gotten SCOOPED like an ICE CREAM there. < 1364213545 591686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: consider this: fuck you and fuck bicycles. :( < 1364213686 923828 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364213714 875594 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364213714 920414 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364213864 401261 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364214230 688922 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364214493 975562 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364214794 342210 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-216-247.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364215389 582363 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wants some sexy shimanos < 1364215720 210600 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364215868 38071 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364216445 933039 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust meow +.+(++-.+)*-1 < 1364216450 219587 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_meow: 13.8 < 1364216818 986203 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364216920 596478 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evo-14898-14988 (++++--+)*-1-- < 1364216925 642628 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_evo-14898-14988: 14.9 < 1364216938 957145 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evo-14897-15213 (+++--++)*-1 < 1364216944 17605 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_evo-14897-15213: 15.6 < 1364217102 226303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364217293 391294 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has an idea for being stupid now
< 1364217529 703194 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[-[([(+)*8[+]]>)*-1]++[([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364217532 860468 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 17.3 < 1364217537 357509 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah :p < 1364217566 532071 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[>([(+)*8[+]]>)*-1]++[>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]]>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364217569 565885 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 12.1 < 1364218646 573637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: is that designed to beat something in particular? < 1364218646 682828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1364218649 162889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1364218649 217735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 12h 49m 35s ago: 2013/03/25 00:46:24 [error] 23940#0: *5967814 FastCGI sent in stderr: "PHP message: PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getVar() on a non-object in /srv/esolangs. < 1364218649 272471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :org/www/mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter/special/SpecialAbuseLog.php on line 281" while reading response header from upstream, client: 95.146.57.2, server: esolangs.org, request: "GET /wiki/Special: < 1364218649 317147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AbuseLog/33 HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock: < 1364218649 317350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 12h 49m 20s ago: this is the error I get when trying to view the broken abuse log page < 1364218649 317456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 12h 48m 58s ago: that line is just "if ( $vars->getVar( 'action' )->toString() == 'edit' ) {" -- I think I'll just try updating the wiki < 1364218774 680329 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364219246 140913 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*-1]+>([-])*-1]])*-1 < 1364219249 670073 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 25.6 < 1364219284 516047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's getting better < 1364219312 700944 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364219318 476909 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei < < 1364219321 602517 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 0.0 < 1364219321 768240 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny < < 1364219324 943427 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 0.0 < 1364219342 962366 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's just flow with special casing for omnipotence's size one decoy. :p < 1364219356 373009 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flow assumes that there's at least one space between the first decoy and the opponent's flag < 1364219372 257871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust chicken (>)*9(----++++[-]>)*30[-] < 1364219375 177310 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for boily_chicken: 4.7 < 1364219386 29227 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I think I fared better last time. < 1364219397 126315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "----++++"? < 1364219397 599103 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust chicken (>)*9(----+++++[-]>)*30[-] < 1364219400 679612 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for boily_chicken: 3.5 < 1364219408 110705 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't ask. :p < 1364219426 783176 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*3([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*3([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219428 360942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: haha, that reminds me of how omnipotence beats space_hotel < 1364219430 75802 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 27.1 < 1364219441 892742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it recognises its size 5 decoy and switches to a strategy designed specifically to beat it < 1364219510 314245 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219513 289118 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 27.1 < 1364219520 961353 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219524 110197 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 27.2 < 1364219527 599200 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219530 556770 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 26.7 < 1364219532 704770 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219535 681671 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 27.2 < 1364219561 946647 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a macro language for this < 1364219566 998209 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make things easier to write >_< < 1364219608 285822 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: careful, you're treading into autoconfy territory. next step, you'll be designing a macro language for your macros for your macros. < 1364219635 780538 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8([-])*-1]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8([-])*-1]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8([+])*-1]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219638 781532 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 8.2 < 1364219712 603468 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([((+)*8[-])*2[+.]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([((+)*8[-])*2[+.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([((-)*8[+])*2[-.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219712 767048 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1364219715 580257 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 18.3 < 1364219721 321974 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364219724 256817 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 27.2 < 1364219750 87544 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219753 144177 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 30.7 < 1364219765 837577 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([((+)*8[-])*2[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219769 9599 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 19.9 < 1364219793 761807 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-][+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219796 825617 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.3 < 1364219804 925494 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]][+]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219807 989028 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.9 < 1364219817 483544 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]][(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219820 577563 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 30.0 < 1364219827 905110 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(-)*8[+]][(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219830 849737 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.7 < 1364219835 785820 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219838 890352 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 30.7 < 1364219844 8467 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder why the evolver has trouble. < 1364219851 524417 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that seem like they won't affect the score much < 1364219854 556426 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause a 20 point drop < 1364219951 544362 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->.(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219954 641970 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 30.2 < 1364219958 555450 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->.+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219961 756204 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 30.0 < 1364219967 707956 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219970 817201 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 31.2 < 1364219976 247953 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>--->>>++>>(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219979 215787 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.8 < 1364219989 881725 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >++++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364219992 899685 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 31.1 < 1364220002 21185 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220005 149249 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.6 < 1364220009 415423 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220012 575478 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.2 < 1364220014 226388 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220017 441566 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.6 < 1364220022 598387 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>->+>(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220025 747552 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.4 < 1364220026 336610 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-216-247.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364220028 678600 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220031 792620 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.6 < 1364220032 916907 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-12-186.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364220042 404676 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220045 296356 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 27.2 < 1364220046 522628 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >+++>--->>>+>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220049 568922 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 28.3 < 1364220063 7996 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220066 72001 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 26.8 < 1364220070 236111 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*7[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220073 471199 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.4 < 1364220075 629857 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220078 763773 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.9 < 1364220083 321953 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*9[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220086 270566 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 31.6 < 1364220088 478498 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*5[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220091 565337 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 31.5 < 1364220093 782777 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*4[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220096 707985 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.8 < 1364220097 560607 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->>>+>->(>[>>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364220100 476250 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 32.9 < 1364220101 870139 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does EgoBot test the programs against? < 1364220109 819190 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >+++>--->>>+>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220112 722506 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 28.4 < 1364220119 278578 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >+++>--->>>+>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220122 305916 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 28.5 < 1364220129 507263 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nice thing about the programs being related is < 1364220132 681491 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changes in one can be ported >:p < 1364220223 4785 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220226 94436 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 29.2 < 1364220281 838460 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*7[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220284 959440 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 29.2 < 1364220292 660716 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220295 688217 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 28.9 < 1364220308 104195 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[--]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[++]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220311 338841 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 29.3 < 1364220320 183862 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. My assumption was right :p < 1364220324 904029 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff that'd trigger that case tend to try and lock < 1364220333 150901 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220336 259552 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 29.8 < 1364220344 108863 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220347 244516 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 29.0 < 1364220350 183198 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.-]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.+]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220350 284088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You might consider doing some of part of that iteration in a /query, and just showing the highlights; I mean, it is kind of noisy. < 1364220353 535043 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 26.2 < 1364220358 804583 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kk. :p < 1364220364 354823 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller >>->>->++>->(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364220367 505079 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 29.8 < 1364220502 713338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130325-colorslide.png this must be the most colorful slide I've done, at least discounting the ones with actual pictures on them. (I was thinking I'd illustrate which part goes where so that nobody has to stop and ask.) < 1364220634 308471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess you have to do that kind of thing when your audience is speech recognition researchers < 1364220831 273073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not the audience for that slide. < 1364220844 788773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe there could be some in the audience, I don't know. < 1364220869 616231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the class in general doesn't have anything specifically to do with speech recognition; it's T-61.5140 Machine Learning: Advanced Probabilistic Methods. < 1364220896 839430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess it's kind of in the same field, but more general, if you want to be picky about it.) < 1364221022 164971 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh colors < 1364221084 139198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the \beta_i^k's in magenta because they're part of both the red and blue groups. (This is what passes for wit around here.) < 1364221184 9019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to understand the poverty of finnish minds < 1364221193 932812 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>>--->>->+>(>[>>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364221196 862234 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 33.5 < 1364221207 81295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel like this may provide clues as to why they think speech recognition research is worthwhile < 1364221265 990114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a Google guy here recently who seemed to think that, too. < 1364221276 820509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, Google, right? < 1364221498 976298 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller (>)*7(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364221501 911982 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 30.5 < 1364221502 549104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i'm going to meet fizzie irl and i will have ALL my best speech recognition zingers prepared < 1364221514 342169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may never recover from the burns < 1364221584 722374 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1364221592 829462 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the similarity, flow needs its decoys and godkiller doesn't < 1364221609 201678 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust godkiller < < 1364221612 119211 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_godkiller: 0.0 < 1364221614 143113 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aurora (>)*7(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364221617 189057 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_aurora: 30.5 < 1364221953 334725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: using decoys slows down both programs < 1364221958 373988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a case of who benefits from the delay more < 1364222072 798881 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aurora (>)*4(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364222075 939295 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_aurora: 33.9 < 1364222086 457096 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aurora (>)*7(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364222089 568087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_aurora: 30.9 < 1364222105 411794 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aurora (>)*4(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364222108 427158 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_aurora: 33.9 < 1364222158 990866 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1364222167 494616 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow the smaller initial jump earns a win against ais523_waterfall3 < 1364222195 471503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: oh, waterfall3 is very sensitive to timing details < 1364222203 563672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so than omnipotence is < 1364222203 737122 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aurora (>)*4(.)*3(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364222206 903582 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_aurora: 33.0 < 1364222217 433719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's possible that you just happen to be hitting a combination of timings it's bad at < 1364222220 222802 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aurora (>)*4(>[[-[++[->>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1]->([+])*2([(+)*6[-.]]>)*-1]+>([-])*2([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1]])*-1 < 1364222223 329796 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_aurora: 33.9 < 1364222229 682744 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps the waterfall win even with the extra delays < 1364222240 780454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, waterfall attempts to synchronize < 1364222247 667702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely about synchronization, really < 1364222374 478807 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the only thing sacrified is win->tie for Deewiant_tolstoi.bfjoust < 1364222476 282807 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >+++>--->(>[>>([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364222481 884308 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 37.0 < 1364222889 129563 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364223531 285734 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364223852 364101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1364224072 786949 :lahwran-!lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran NICK :lahwran < 1364224882 394056 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364225434 103638 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364225653 601598 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, something is seriously wrong with your match time plot < 1364225660 848539 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two "<"s on the hill right now have red cells < 1364225663 346941 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is impossible < 1364225701 163213 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1364226047 949775 :Lumpio_!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :Lumpio- < 1364226283 370164 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-358_evo-27660-27915 -..->--[-..->--[-..->--[-..->--[-..->--[+]+]+]+]+]+ < 1364226286 398440 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-358_evo-27660-27915: 10.1 < 1364226512 790387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: There are no "<"s in my plot. < 1364226527 422383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smallest program in it has 16 characters. < 1364226542 839753 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I reran it on the current hill < 1364226544 940026 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has -[--.->-[--.->-[--.->-[--.->-[+]+]+]+]+]+ < 1364226622 328071 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-364_evo-27660-28619: 10.1 < 1364226634 925860 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee counting points vs counting csore < 1364226635 877128 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :score* < 1364226637 470500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're using the fixed version of cranklance? < 1364226663 981813 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed version of cranklance? < 1364226678 495664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that's later than http://git.zem.fi/chainlance/commit/e50392f < 1364226711 76302 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1364226712 428511 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might not be < 1364226727 172037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-24 19:47:25 Lymia: You'll want to update your cranklance to fix what was discussed above, if you're doing cranking. < 1364226748 10276 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll retry it with that in a bit < 1364226755 529634 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-365_evo-28453-28710 >-.->.-[>-.->.-[>-.->.-[>-.->.-[>-.->.-[+]+]+]+]+]+ < 1364226758 589016 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-365_evo-28453-28710: 0.0 < 1364226763 28164 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0? < 1364226784 375221 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364226796 288603 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Client Quit < 1364226827 37315 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh x.x < 1364226831 43819 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have to teach my evolver about < 1364226835 481715 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convincing and not-convincing wins < 1364226861 879992 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-368_evo-27660-28982 >.-->-[>.-->-[>.-->-[>.-->-[>.-->-[+]+]+]+]+]+ < 1364226864 983889 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-368_evo-27660-28982: 0.0 < 1364226872 426675 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, think < 1364226882 299655 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wins*wins*sign(wins) would be a decent indicator? < 1364226990 886333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "wins" is, and when it would be negative. < 1364227022 452188 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1364227023 134951 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :score* < 1364227025 714502 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Average fitness: -154911.90625, Max fitness: -52880.0] < 1364227027 763270 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is distressing < 1364227252 72874 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364227264 304052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364227351 303653 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364227504 715037 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1364227517 81877 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Shambhala < 1364227530 280554 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you? < 1364227538 612080 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tired and ill < 1364227542 235716 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a stiff neck < 1364227548 878788 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not good < 1364227586 970144 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a stupid immune system and I slept on someone's living room floor right next to a Metro line night before last < 1364227589 728483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you people know each other? (It certainly had the appearance of that.) < 1364227735 664712 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I feel for you < 1364227907 285548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of metro < 1364227961 996719 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Tyne and Wear Metro < 1364228075 596282 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-375_evo-28745-29431 >--->-[>--->-[>--->-[>--->-[>--->-[+]+]+]+]+]+ < 1364228079 192250 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-375_evo-28745-29431: 0.0 < 1364228083 24522 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do not know Shambhala, as far as I am aware < 1364228242 79737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: probably best to check if he/she's from Hexham < 1364228243 223241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case < 1364228246 427165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Shambhala < 1364228249 300858 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shambhala: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364228256 127471 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do know people from outside of Hexham < 1364228262 524703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1364228270 254056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but three hexhamites being in the channel would be even more of a coincidence than two < 1364228278 621685 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shambhala, are you from Hexham? < 1364228289 335295 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364228293 686594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1364228311 800586 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-375_evo-28745-29431_golfed (>--->-[{+}]+)%5 < 1364228314 965246 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-375_evo-28745-29431_golfed: 0.0 < 1364228318 872706 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-375_evo-28745-29431_golfed (--->-[{+}]+)%10 < 1364228322 400957 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-375_evo-28745-29431_golfed: 12.0 < 1364228325 527901 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :v.v; < 1364228330 679712 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the evolver thinking < 1364228390 208419 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 PART :#esoteric < 1364228455 163514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yeah, that just stops after a while < 1364228461 407899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it finds any decoy of size 1 < 1364228469 515055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a halfhearted rush that gives up after a bit < 1364228494 526710 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it thinks this is /better/ than previous generations. < 1364228498 322897 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes me go WTF < 1364228501 212332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes < 1364228505 196897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistake somewhere, presumably < 1364228508 572348 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess that it rushes faster. < 1364228510 839819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a famous incident in the very early days of BF Joust < 1364228513 240090 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causing it to win against more enemies. < 1364228516 945751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hill marked wins as losses, and losses as wins < 1364228519 680970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody noticed for a while < 1364228550 507444 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as far as I can tell, this would rush faster in some cases. < 1364228557 234808 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which could be enough for it to win half the time against more enemies. < 1364228558 599815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364228570 65561 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make a fitness increase overall. < 1364228572 560903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pure_rush (>)*8(>+[-])*21 < 1364228575 340100 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a decease by EgoBot's terms < 1364228575 433207 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_pure_rush: 8.4 < 1364228581 305685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1364228588 566763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does worse than your golfed evolver < 1364228596 808251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, your evolver trails < 1364228610 713188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pure_rush_with_Trail (+++>)*8(>+[-])*21 < 1364228613 951301 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_pure_rush_with_Trail: 15.0 < 1364228622 119017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's similar to a fixed version of what your program is doing < 1364228629 335741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pure_rush_with_Trail < < 1364228632 294360 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_pure_rush_with_Trail: 0.0 < 1364228712 871858 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what's EgoBot's algorithm for stuff like that anyways? < 1364228723 59492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"algorithm"? < 1364228745 165246 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clearly counting neutral (i.e. no overall losses or wins against programs) as worse than some losses and some wins. < 1364228760 261722 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1364228760 861775 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1364228764 543573 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It filters out negative points < 1364228811 733909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it only counts wins < 1364228999 808423 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364229158 53452 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364229162 326840 :Shambhala!~shambhala@94.27.97.210 PART :#esoteric < 1364229176 122711 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust best ((++-+++-)*-1++-+++-)*-1++-+++- < 1364229180 99061 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_best: 17.4 < 1364229180 778634 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust best < < 1364229183 708495 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_best: 0.0 < 1364229295 559502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you put some code after a *-1? < 1364229310 476022 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. < 1364229315 153167 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code did < 1364229330 681808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1364229340 634015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work better (or might not!) to cut out dead code < 1364229373 729813 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wow, harsh much) < 1364229382 837744 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the evolver just declared an entire specis no good.) < 1364229396 978141 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speciation is actually working quite nicely. < 1364229415 205480 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked each species-- rushes and vibrators are defiantly getting separated. < 1364229577 312702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it'll ever evolve a lock-based program < 1364229580 648545 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... v.v < 1364229583 984920 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the rushes died out. < 1364229586 686830 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, lock-based being? < 1364229587 624885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no, there are no obvious intermediate steps < 1364229590 30370 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnipotence and such? < 1364229608 597098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: a program that tries to trap the opponent in an infinite loop while slowly grinding away < 1364229612 855364 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1364229614 103488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnipotence uses it as a backup strategy < 1364229614 847120 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be hard. < 1364229621 91049 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need to account for polarities. < 1364229627 331340 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To begin with. < 1364229632 896564 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, the position of the head when it does something... < 1364229653 125142 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually. a pesudo-lock might be evolvable. < 1364229687 11305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is not writing the lock itself, (+.)*-1 can work against many programs < 1364229698 857532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's writing a way to win without breaking the lock < 1364229705 820124 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>)*9[[(+.)*100(<)*9(+)*100(>)*9]>] < 1364229710 931338 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>)*9[[(+.)*100(<)*9(+)*100(>)*9]>] < 1364229714 35607 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test: 7.3 < 1364229714 966650 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1364229717 269369 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364229718 106931 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test: 0.0 < 1364229762 440381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why defence programs are so long < 1364229764 208292 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>)*9[[(+.)*50(<)*9(+)*100(>)*9]>] < 1364229767 169310 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test: 7.2 < 1364229767 223986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no known short way to write a full-tape clear < 1364229769 452989 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1364229772 640812 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test: 0.0 < 1364229778 679620 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah. < 1364229782 291688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: that runs off the end of the program if there's nothing on cell 9 < 1364229789 600442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there probably is nothing on cell 9 < 1364229799 984267 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right :p < 1364229805 185581 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>)*9([(+.)*50(<)*9(+)*100(>)*9]>)*-1 < 1364229808 260901 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test: 10.3 < 1364229818 706357 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>+)*9([(+.)*50(<)*9(+)*100(>)*9]>)*-1 < 1364229821 739845 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test: 2.5 < 1364229825 117 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1364229828 481044 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test: 0.0 < 1364229834 40874 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. We have a stupid hill where no decoys sometimes beats decoys < 1364229852 367801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: that's to be expected, really < 1364229861 87455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnipotence can function just fine without the decoy < 1364229868 335784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually there for constant-tweaking purposes < 1364229901 427678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general, any pattern is exploitable < 1364229901 856227 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my current direction of development is trying to make an encoding that can encode repetitive stuff like that, without spelling out every loop. < 1364229916 546226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs like the anticipation series rely on opponents using the same clear loop on every cell, for instance < 1364229946 682410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so are really easily defeated by an opponent designed to beat them < 1364229954 749582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that just acts unusually < 1364229967 806148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. omnipotence doesn't use a traditional clear loop, and against anticipation, anticipation zeroes its own flag as a result < 1364230005 729524 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any program written by me is gonna be pretty na�ve < 1364230082 32907 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm thinking that < 1364230099 109466 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only viable option is an evolver that can somehow evolve on a level of patterns, to where it can develop complex stuff like that < 1364230108 63042 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I havn't yet found a representation that works well. < 1364230170 280868 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364230174 788775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1364230180 473134 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1364230208 129765 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evolved-vibration (-.+++)*-1 < 1364230212 75331 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_evolved-vibration: 18.6 < 1364230257 803407 :LostProphet!~lostproph@109.201.152.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364230272 695509 :LostProphet!~lostproph@109.201.152.227 PART :#esoteric < 1364230327 336144 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1364230687 141711 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364230943 348630 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rerunning with no external hill. < 1364230948 594133 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time, with EgoBot-like score rules < 1364230952 113179 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how it works out~ :p > 1364231180 83152 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231184 206678 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231184 722102 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231225 128112 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231229 248654 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231229 764458 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231270 186384 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231274 308302 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231274 823164 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231310 234828 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231314 355307 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231314 870743 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231330 271150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231331 535283 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231332 783315 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1364231334 423578 JOIN :#esoteric > 1364231334 942376 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231335 245981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231349 143653 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231467 95501 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231490 324232 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Guest36609 < 1364231502 596920 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364231635 865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231673 482699 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364231832 901963 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364231853 300935 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as of generation 15 < 1364231872 29338 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"max fitness" is a measure of approximately what percentage of the population immediately commits suicide. < 1364231979 189297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: :) < 1364232000 448498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't species that immediately committed suicide die out pretty quickly, though? < 1364232030 359005 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1364232041 122333 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only certain individuals who gain an < opcode < 1364232041 453963 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1364232064 868688 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The occational 0.0 is those < 1364232532 548715 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364232601 405536 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a lot of the instant suicides are because of code I added to not give empty organisms a chance. (i.e, they're replaced with <) < 1364232660 850187 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the way the system works, an empty organism is a pretty good sign that none of its genes can be activated-- which is hard to undo < 1364232678 244164 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still needs to write crossover
< 1364232813 983762 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364232937 225363 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364233038 164636 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364233126 634554 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364233233 203514 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364233487 691621 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364233487 888879 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364233487 889023 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364233509 427045 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364234134 25821 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Taneb < 1364234138 500247 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1364234145 521039 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you? < 1364234148 233801 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap < 1364234159 350401 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1364234317 573793 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364234474 765428 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sry if this is a stupid question: It's said that there are infinitely many prime numbers and the higher you count the fewer primes you get. Shouldn't that mean the prime counting sequence converges to 0 and therefore primes are finite? < 1364234491 886919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1364234506 684070 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Pi contains an infinite number of numbers, is it possible that within this infinity, there is an infinite series of 1's? < 1364234520 413875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1364234522 53515 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pi? or pi? < 1364234542 538876 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pie. Definitely Pie. < 1364234548 45993 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can zero be counted as a positive number? What is a definition of a positive number (that does not use zero in its definition)? < 1364234549 703788 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, it's happily asymptote to 0 < 1364234567 465186 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, it can't, and I can't think of one < 1364234581 369001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: there are infinitely many powers of two, and the higher you count the further apart they are < 1364234583 100361 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any of you think of a real world culture in which the concept of negative or irrational numbers was established before the concept of 0? Furthermore, what was the context of the irrational or negative concept? < 1364234596 485255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet there are clearly an infinite number of powers of two < 1364234643 913975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were an infinite run of 1's in pi, then it would have a repeating decimal expansion and thus be rational < 1364234668 654992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pi is irrational and you can find many proofs of this online < 1364234687 859852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hypothesized that the expansion of pi contains every *finite* digit sequence < 1364234691 857979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is not proven < 1364234716 81103 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient Greece was a culture that had irrationals but not zero `-` < 1364234766 867181 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi is conjectured to be normal: in any base b, any sequence of k digits occurs with frequency b^-k < 1364234836 618627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364234862 701044 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's basically only one number that's been proven normal; even though almost all real numbers are normal < 1364234907 83437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khinchin%27s_constant < 1364234916 532733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really weird mathematical fact < 1364234952 139795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for almost all real numbers, the geometric mean of the continued fraction coefficients is 2.6854520010... < 1364234973 954923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "It is not known if Khinchin's constant is a rational, algebraic irrational or transcendental number" < 1364234990 899588 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good number. < 1364235030 285107 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feigenbaum constants are about as weird for me. < 1364235133 722435 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364235136 859757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: "What is a definition of a positive number (that does not use zero in its definition)" <-- this is a fairly meaningless question I think < 1364235147 596249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say "a positive number is either one, or the successor of a positive number" < 1364235180 194452 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 ? < 1364235193 679369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which defines the terms "positive number", "one", and "successor", ignoring whatever external definition they had < 1364235199 151241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a perfectly fine mathematical formalism < 1364235213 389461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's isomorphic to the natural numbers except that you've renamed "zero" to "one" < 1364235259 416826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however if you want to define addition and multiplication and whatever on these "positive numbers" then you don't get very far < 1364235275 795510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no additive identity so it doesn't have group or even monoid structure < 1364235299 230376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else you take "one" to be the additive identity and then it really is zero just with a funny name < 1364235317 323832 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :number is only three degrees to philosophy: number -> mathematical object -> abstract object (redirect to: abstract and concrete) -> philosophy. < 1364235336 560309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: is this homework or something < 1364235340 574353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you play Wikipedia. < 1364235380 89254 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1364235392 297897 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364235397 455567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :The 2^4+1th vigintile welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | Safe when used as directed. | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for Joe Chip. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364235414 290282 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364235416 538282 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not taunt happy fun #esoteric < 1364235493 248134 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364235505 289478 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364235620 93323 :Mucho!~hiimryan3@216.186.174.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364235659 6920 :Sanky_!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky NICK :Sanky < 1364235681 335618 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364235752 359852 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364236008 148265 :Zuu_!zuu@77.215.149.86 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1364236200 393432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can view what individual player is most rebound, most scoring, most stealing, most block, most three points, etc, but isn't teamwork more important? < 1364236454 554738 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364236826 5342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My *team* is the most stealing, but not my player, for example. < 1364236884 259164 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364237004 561104 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364237036 566365 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I trust my intuition or my quick calculation < 1364237066 465361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1364237227 48132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1364237250 127899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever works for the circumstances. < 1364237275 836028 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought intuition and a quick calculation were the same thing? < 1364237347 965355 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuition is "what it should be" < 1364237373 510535 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick calculation is "what's the inverse cos of 0.8" < 1364237622 851400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AI in Pokemon Card GB2 draws too many cards!! < 1364237823 330124 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so many it breaks the rules? < 1364237836 289682 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just more than would form the optimum strategy < 1364237922 921659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the AI in the original Pokémon Card for GB gets a luck advantage, as well < 1364237931 537382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most powerful opponents never have a bad starting hand < 1364237956 519147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, I mean more than the strategy. They lose due to having too many cards. < 1364237976 816841 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that's roughly what I meant < 1364237987 254381 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know the Pokemon Card game at all) < 1364238006 267036 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than the fact that Team Rocket's Meowth doesn't evolve into Persian) < 1364238035 582881 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 17 ^ 2 < 1364238037 585234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 289 < 1364238084 299451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The 2^4+1st vigintile welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | Safe when used as directed. | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for Joe Chip. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364238088 731372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, if you have the card "Team Rocket's Meowth" then you can only evolve into "Team Rocket's Persian". < 1364238105 159015 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that is literally all I remember from the TCG < 1364238122 966057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolving "Team Rocket's Meowth" into "Persian" is not allowed, though. < 1364238130 105016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't know that. Now I know. < 1364238139 43593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the AI is not very good. < 1364238161 556128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :team rocket's meowth evolving would completely ruin the anime < 1364238185 349294 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be like Ash's Pikachu evolving < 1364238201 621580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know, but this is the card game. The card "Team Rocket's Persian" may not exist, but it would be the card it could be evolved into if it did exist. < 1364238213 634977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pokemon Card GB2 the AI is a bit better, but still not very good, such as they draw too many cards. < 1364238230 48923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are not very good at defense. < 1364238249 856781 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Team Rocket should evolve too, if there is a Persian to their Meowth. < 1364238261 929155 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about it, in the anime, there was a Team Rocket's Persian < 1364238266 342188 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was owned by Giovanni < 1364238275 140254 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jessie evolved into Giovanni" < 1364238292 80122 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James evolved into pile of money that only exists in Meowth's imagination!" < 1364238310 514136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, Giovanni had a Persian < 1364238323 37555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's clearly a different Pokémon from the Meowth that's featured in basically every episode < 1364238342 32206 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, time travel does exist in the anime canon < 1364238375 204062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that is why it is inconsistent. < 1364238387 740985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I was referring to the fourth movie < 1364238393 790022 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular < 1364238485 958173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I usually play the card game though is when cards are picked at random to construct the deck, allow evolving into any card with the same energy type as long as all of the cards in the stack are capable of evolving that high. Evolving into the proper card is also OK, even if the type is wrong. < 1364238679 630357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We put ten cards face-up on the floor, and then take turns selecting one. This is repeated, with the players alternating the first pick, until we have 45 cards each. If any basic energy cards come up while doing this, they are put aside and replacements are put in. When we each have 45 cards, we construct a deck using a subset of those cards and basic energy cards to make 60 cards in total. < 1364238713 237003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364238748 763230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm not entirely sure if the movies are canon < 1364238771 726911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think the usual rule is that Celebi is capable of time travel, and Dialga is effectively omnipotent when it comes to time < 1364238776 461660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else can time travel naturally < 1364238791 969575 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, if you treat the movies as canon, it's not completely inconceivable that Meowth is Persian < 1364238802 482249 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Dialga could take Meowth back < 1364238816 885598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time travel's never been seen to be capable of duplicating people in Pokémon, as far as I know < 1364238828 91829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, yeah, Dialga can do anything like that because that's its shtick < 1364238842 346278 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. Explorers of Time and Darkness with Grovyle) < 1364238843 194668 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-76.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364238848 726522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364238912 143116 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think I care about this at all < 1364239133 638566 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364239210 571611 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this on my scrollback < 1364239238 450931 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, new Ubuntu release discussion < 1364239245 383303 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364239287 691295 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1364239293 724392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ubuntu code for pokemon < 1364239348 912348 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/178/ < 1364239395 175560 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof positive that xkcd has always had duds < 1364239407 891075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :early xkcd is worse than recent xkcd on average < 1364239432 662097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, there's a certain sincerity to it < 1364239506 463041 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/3/ is the funniest < 1364239536 708368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think xkcd's job is mostly being insightful, rather than funny < 1364239546 390377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should entertain in the "I didn't know that" or "I didn't think of that" sense < 1364239553 700538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the "that's a good joke" sense < 1364239579 954168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's not xkcd, but a different website altogether < 1364239687 926140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some painfully bad old strips yeah < 1364239706 153430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the best strips from the early days are something it very very rarely hits now < 1364239707 842989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : q what is the obvious generalizsation of (.)? < 1364239723 106831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((Control.Category..),fmap) < 1364239724 920320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Control.Category.Category cat) => (cat b c -> cat a b -> cat a c, (a1 -> b1) -> f a1 -> f b1) < 1364239735 993879 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it'd be like IWC without Lego or roleplaying or science < 1364239743 647706 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Homestuck without the I don't want to know < 1364239759 219720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [(Control.Category..),fmap] < 1364239760 939029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c] < 1364239780 825579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you're right that it tries to teach and amaze, but it's usually a poor fit for the graphical medium < 1364239798 585524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean every month or two there's a cool visualization < 1364239809 777719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1364239815 474762 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/32/ < 1364239816 362025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly, it's like, two stick figures discuss wikipedia using dialogue that in no way resembles how people actually talk < 1364239817 433185 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1364239818 111441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why what if is better than the main xckd < 1364239820 240194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xkcd < 1364239821 309581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a pannel with an unfunny punchlinke < 1364239823 340807 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364239823 535632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :punchline < 1364239830 53755 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comic... sans < 1364239832 542367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a panel with completely pointless post-punchline dialogue < 1364239880 130433 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's used in a comic so that makes slightly more appropriate < 1364239886 12242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it isn't Papyrus < 1364239912 689761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but comic sans looks nothing like actual comic lettering! < 1364239914 280329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably xkcd started going downhill when it became a staple of the subculture it was trying to propagate and comment on < 1364239932 266076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or randall munroe just ran out of funny things his MIT friends told him about < 1364240001 282605 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I think I just came up with an esoteric programming language. < 1364240005 551346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) :: cat b c -> f b -> f c < 1364240011 139957 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wow! < 1364240012 441983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what we need < 1364240043 866616 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: good :D < 1364240053 863701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Dottable cat f where (.) :: cat b c -> f b -> f c < 1364240055 427729 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how would one translate «combientième» in English?) < 1364240057 26406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo (.) = rmap or (.) = flip lmap < 1364240063 746519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty rmap < 1364240065 173938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => (b -> c) -> p a b -> p a c < 1364240066 123483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty lmap < 1364240067 390134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => (a -> b) -> p b c -> p a c < 1364240080 21896 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1364240081 698499 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the wp article in star trek into darkness still has two different kinds of page protection on it < 1364240096 308126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um my type generalizes at least rmap < 1364240103 725685 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck star trek into darkness < 1364240104 87378 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek Into Darkness is an upcoming American science fiction action film directed by J. J. Abrams, written by Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, and Damon Lindelof, and produced by Abrams, Bryan Burk, Lindelof, Kurtzman, and Orci. < 1364240119 924780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fmap also generaliszes rmap < 1364240122 48774 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: looking at monolingual definitions of "combentième", I think that English just doesn't have a word for that. < 1364240138 633499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: want to wrestle on the floor about it < 1364240149 141425 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I wanted to ask «c'est ton combientième?», but stumbled midway in English. < 1364240156 740607 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say "whichth", but only if you're trying to confuse your readers. < 1364240159 208914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm i guess it does < 1364240201 881698 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: my translator brain-module is due for an oil change. it gets stuck much too often. < 1364240225 425900 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think you just can't do that in English. You'd have to say something like "How many have you done before?" < 1364240236 959092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws Phantom_Hoover into an spj lecture
< 1364240294 801660 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess you could say "How many does this make?" (the answer being "this makes five" if this is my fifth). < 1364240330 621875 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, I think I'm going to name this language Combientième. < 1364240344 838697 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am honoured. < 1364240354 557834 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's going to be kind of like Forth, and I wanted to make a pun on that name. < 1364240424 731183 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364240527 915896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you need to leave out one of the vowels in the diphtong hth < 1364240567 75698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess there are two diphthongs, maybe? < 1364240578 301914 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no diphtongs in French. < 1364240608 501796 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I need to respell it in some other way that leaves the pronunciation the same. < 1364240619 486902 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would "combientièm" be pronounced? Would the "m" be silent? < 1364240623 244542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe leave out the final e, it's essentially silent like the u in fourth < 1364240627 743939 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in that case, those are only glides: /kɔ̃bjɛ̃tjɛm/ < 1364240679 309515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not enough of a linguist to know the difference between a glide and a diphtong. < 1364240716 487197 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: chopping off the silent e wouldn't change the pronounciation. < 1364240717 513175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there's something written as a vowel and pronounced almost like a consonant, next to something written as a vowel and pronounced as one. < 1364240743 145026 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a diphtong is a smooth transition between to vowels. < 1364240758 557950 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't change the pronunciation from /kɔ̃.bjɛ̃.tjɛm/ to /kɔ̃.bjɛ̃.tjɑ̃/? < 1364240797 820699 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because it'd need to be an «n» instead of an «m» to get /ɑ̃/. < 1364240820 669753 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1364240825 896110 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: French orthography is mainly a cheaty obfuscatory encoding. < 1364240851 56101 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :combien tu m'aimes < 1364240870 246653 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: ne vois-tu pas dans mes yeux sensuels que je t'adore :p < 1364240872 913560 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364240892 669117 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364240915 646872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well it's not as cheaty as english. < 1364240938 307865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall you can mostly do one direction by simple rules < 1364240938 502652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ. < 1364240944 6948 :Mucho!~hiimryan3@216.186.174.135 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364241031 124118 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: e.g. "they loved" -> «ils aimaient». you need 5 letters (aient) for a simple /ɛ/. < 1364241032 977519 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364241080 699821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : a diphtong is a smooth transition between to vowels. <-- this definition _might_ imply that what i have learned are called diphthongs in norwegian aren't... or perhaps it's that some other combinations that are _not_ written with vowel letters _are_... < 1364241087 944023 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thorough" in English has a one-letter schwa... then a 4-letter schwa < 1364241124 355172 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1364241126 713337 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck diphtong < 1364241127 11850 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A diphthong, also known as a gliding vowel, refers to two adjacent vowel sounds occurring within the same syllable. < 1364241127 207690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well -ent is a bit special. < 1364241140 156272 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you, duck! way to confuse me. < 1364241145 92266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should start spelling it þoro < 1364241164 738996 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that just makes me think of frozen yoghurt < 1364241165 120171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: true. good counter-example. < 1364241180 442926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :þoroly frozen yoghurt? < 1364241251 541880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :el þoro < 1364241279 184153 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :froyo vs �oro < 1364241643 564954 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found an interesting explanation about glides and diphtongs: http://linguistics.stackexchange.com/a/1147 < 1364241761 133159 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the in "thorough" isn't a schwa, is it < 1364241786 10945 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently it is for some speakers < 1364241808 584825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it something like "owe" < 1364241816 110765 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "oh"? < 1364241823 655817 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, some accents it's like oh, some it's like uh < 1364241826 641541 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it like uh < 1364241829 466823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thuruh < 1364241856 769827 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was a kid i pronounced it as "through" < 1364241887 202362 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read "thoroughly" as "throughly" for the longest time. then i realized, wow, hey, there's an o in there < 1364241906 732101 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce through throoo < 1364241917 266471 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't everyone! < 1364241965 882999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also taneb it. < 1364242147 766649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott btw, I came up with an interim method for dealing with the spambots while the abuse filter is broken; if I see that it would have blocked a spambot but didn't due to being broken, I block the spambot by hand before it can post elsewhere < 1364242148 87057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364242238 505430 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364243218 257145 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id 3 < 1364243218 545035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1364243238 310380 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364243298 315838 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval id-3 < 1364243300 838131 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1364243308 575210 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! as informative as ever :D < 1364243345 68898 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I opened up GHCi. It evaluates id 3 as 3. < 1364243401 441170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id-3 < 1364243404 266549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> a0)) < 1364243404 464397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_13' < 1364243404 464512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : P... < 1364243420 354398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id(-3) < 1364243422 209760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -3 < 1364243436 510023 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval id―3 < 1364243437 466590 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Not in scope: `―' < 1364243524 72315 :Guest36609!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1364243659 385033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ı̇d-3 < 1364243659 750303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1364243674 107934 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is metasepia a species of cuttlefish? < 1364243724 588405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a whole genus < 1364243738 486011 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id-З < 1364243738 681313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1364243743 722343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*utf* < 1364243744 327176 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval id-З < 1364243745 34309 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Not in scope: data constructor `З' < 1364243745 493518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/toutf8 < 1364243748 948670 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval id 3 < 1364243750 152458 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1364243765 535117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`toutf8 id 3 < 1364243775 592904 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only works if your nick starts with t. < 1364243784 307906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :toily < 1364243785 132893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1364243786 665626 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1364243791 705215 :toily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`toutf8 id-3 < 1364243796 456770 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364243803 763691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo 'id 3' | toutf8 < 1364243805 135792 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'id 3' | toutf8 < 1364243810 996639 :toily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily < 1364243811 191098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'id 3' | toutf8 < 1364243813 607196 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :id 3 < 1364243822 742937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1364243840 311341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not the program you are looking for, oerjan < 1364243851 470041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*8* < 1364243853 98271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/toutf8 < 1364243867 667049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*uni* < 1364243869 299621 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/units < 1364243882 172758 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does toutf8 do? < 1364243895 198984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i think i was looking for something else < 1364243899 100377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo á | xxd < 1364243900 512092 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: c3a1 0a ... < 1364243904 411106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/toutf8 < 1364243905 833843 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/python \ import sys \ import chardet \ x = sys.stdin.read() \ enc = chardet.detect(x)['encoding'] \ sys.stdout.write(x.decode(enc).encode('UTF-8')) < 1364243927 193836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1364243927 389545 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping < 1364243934 597998 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo id 3 | xxd < 1364243936 53581 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 6964 e19a 8033 0a id...3. < 1364243949 749818 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo あ | od -Ax -tx1z -v < 1364243951 354772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000 e3 81 82 0a >....< \ 000004 < 1364244017 106811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure fizzie or someone showed me there was a program to write out the codepoints on a line, and i thought it was on HackEgo < 1364244039 289616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1364244039 811638 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Installed user interpreters: about acro aol austro bc bct bf2c bfbignum botsnack brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes cat chaos chiqrsx9p choo cmd cpick ctcp dc decide drawl drome dubya echo ehird elmer fudd glogbot_ignore google graph hello helloworld id inc insanetemp jethro kraut lg lperl lsh map monqy num numberwang ook pansy pi pikhq ping pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes python python2 redneck reverse rimshot rot13 rot47 ruby_ sadbf sanetemp sf < 1364244066 268227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord id 3 < 1364244067 895572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 100 5760 51 < 1364244069 490157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1364244074 230188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that it was < 1364244080 887264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord id 3 < 1364244081 82546 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 100 225 154 128 51 < 1364244082 591630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf name is "ord" < 1364244088 628034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ord/chr? < 1364244107 178079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`chr 105 100 5760 51 < 1364244107 374228 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord 1 2 3 4 5 < 1364244108 355671 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: chr: not found < 1364244108 598645 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 32 50 32 51 32 52 32 53 < 1364244159 560942 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord 53 51 32 53 49 32 51 50 32 53 51 32 52 57 < 1364244161 80723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :53 51 32 53 49 32 51 50 32 53 51 32 52 57 32 51 50 32 53 49 32 53 48 32 51 50 32 53 51 32 53 49 32 51 50 32 53 50 32 53 55 < 1364244209 944255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show elmer < 1364244210 693683 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl for (<>) {lc; s/l(?!e\W)/w/g; s/\Ber|(? [a] -> [a] -> Maybe [a] < 1364244398 947031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn Maybes < 1364244455 160294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (unwords . map (show . ord) . ('5':) . tail) < 1364244459 349645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1364244465 380283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1364244480 863121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (unwords . map (show . ord) . ('5':) . tail) < 1364244484 861203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1364244486 805840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type unwords . map (show . ord) . ('5':) . tail < 1364244488 395157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] -> String < 1364244491 494776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something too strict? < 1364244496 209824 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail is strict. < 1364244517 630523 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is it? < 1364244522 363905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't matter there < 1364244523 802046 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that shouldn't matter. < 1364244565 751241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe unwords is too strict < 1364244566 295863 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (unwords . map (show . ord) . ("53 51 ") . drop 6) < 1364244567 871245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> [GHC.Types.Char]' < 1364244568 67669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with act... < 1364244572 272251 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (unwords . map (show . ord) . ("53 51 "++) . drop 6) < 1364244574 475274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "53 51 32 53 49 32 51 50 32 53 51 32 52 57 32 51 50 32 53 49 32 53 48 32 51... < 1364244620 183195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . map (show . ord) $ '5':undefined < 1364244622 659272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1364244659 454543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ "53" : undefined < 1364244661 441624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1364244665 298545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1364244708 90736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src unwords < 1364244708 634305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwords [] = "" < 1364244708 828975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwords ws = foldr1 (\w s -> w ++ ' ':s) ws < 1364244735 3127 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364244747 179422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let unwords [] = ""; unwords ws = foldr1 (\w s -> w ++ ' ':s) ws in unwords $ "53" : undefined < 1364244749 563946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1364244803 625616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok foldr1 does need to know whether there is a following element < 1364244842 148419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foldr1 < 1364244842 762485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr1 _ [x] = x < 1364244842 957600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr1 f (x:xs) = f x (foldr1 f xs) < 1364244842 957755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr1 _ [] = undefined < 1364244953 177700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (map ord . show) < 1364244957 622726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1364244986 458441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: [Int] < 1364244988 495846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1364245027 344122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much slightly inferior laziness < 1364245037 85068 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nixon < 1364245101 102824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (map ord . ('[':) . tail . show) < 1364245103 706481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [91,57,49,44,53,55,44,52,57,44,52,52,44,53,51,44,53,53,44,52,52,44,53,50,44... < 1364245113 960967 :dbelange!yevunye@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1364245114 306458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a flat choice between smoke and jobs, we're for jobs...But just keep me out of trouble on environmental issues. < 1364245308 971507 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-76.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364245332 945694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also performing arbitrary computation by means of conditional vacation autoresponders <-- i hope this is your actual vacation message? < 1364245358 685366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no < 1364245366 401633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1364245439 50994 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds like fun anyway < 1364245473 130619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone accidentally the vacation autoresponder turing complete? < 1364245506 768284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hypothetical but I think someone should do it < 1364245514 96589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you want a verb, feel free to add "make" after accidentally) < 1364245611 495497 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364245673 848182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then again, "make" is a simple enough verb that it really should be optional) < 1364245791 893412 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I explain the difference in meaning between "my" and "of me"? < 1364245852 842878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there one? < 1364245867 932289 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think so? < 1364245877 714330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess I can't help then < 1364245880 918372 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best it's contextual < 1364245897 305396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe give some examples where you think "of me" is actually incorrect, as opposed to just awkward in the sense of "nobody would actually say that" < 1364245908 850773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc. admitting a distinction between these is the thin end of the prescriptivist wedge! < 1364245930 489541 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't immediately think of a case where "my" and "of me" can both be used and have different meanings. < 1364245931 9040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS YOUR WASHROOM BREEDING PRESCRIPTIVISTS? < 1364245938 341078 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in latin (mei vs. meus) < 1364246004 800842 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's meus < 1364246048 357162 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my", masculine accusative < 1364246050 498183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between "picture of me" and "my picture" < 1364246063 652941 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, there is. < 1364246083 903809 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Picture of me" always means "picture depicting me", never "picture owned by me". < 1364246101 227150 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas "my picture" could mean either. < 1364246110 402917 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it apparently isn't < 1364246119 887664 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Let me give you his picture.") < 1364246120 473545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "of" is a bit overloaded < 1364246129 104062 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meus#Latin < 1364246134 40551 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the masculine nominative < 1364246142 237390 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364246142 432655 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's overoverloaded. < 1364246145 378258 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... doesn't mean 'of me' < 1364246169 759361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait this is confusing < 1364246180 849570 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1364246186 990007 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinko, sorry < 1364246194 420180 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between meus and ego... < 1364246209 412078 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, meus is an adjective, ego is a pronoun < 1364246212 456404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like me vs myself? < 1364246221 911662 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vs I < 1364246226 814875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't... that... what the genitive's for < 1364246236 720353 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the genitive of ego is mei < 1364246237 225920 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1364246286 204144 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pictura mei" is a picture of me, "pictura mea" is my picture < 1364246287 339360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: now include "of mine" in this hth < 1364246289 882875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::confuse: < 1364246333 472966 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, but the genitive can also be written 'of me' and 'picture of me' is valid both ways in english < 1364246416 425782 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you really say stuff like < 1364246421 295906 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is a pen of me." < 1364246429 941747 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of "this is my pen" < 1364246484 276536 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y...es < 1364246518 564369 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that 'this is taneb's picture' could also refer to a picture depicting taneb < 1364246566 445354 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're we even being confused about < 1364246571 569317 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh < 1364246573 2223 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1364246574 584452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: language < 1364246575 286311 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meus vs mei in Latin < 1364246593 234880 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meus is "belonging to me", always < 1364246609 696485 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to use other genitives than the possessive one, use mei < 1364246628 913847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, are there several genitives? < 1364246635 73425 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"metus mei" "fear of me" < 1364246645 665755 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a good list near the top of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case < 1364246665 598030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like 12 genitives o.O < 1364246670 287747 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "composition" one is used really often too ("a bottle of wine") but that isn't really easy to use with "me" < 1364246683 528931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bottle of me? < 1364246685 284252 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe stuff like "you want a piece of me?!" but that doesn't translate well to latin obviously < 1364246689 743293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: just wait until you get to latin's versions of _infinitives_... < 1364246717 539208 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablative_(Latin) < 1364246722 654846 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"over 15 uses!" < 1364247035 279128 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364247327 587617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how stupid... the tv series "24" uses a 12h clock, so half way through the series you're back at 01 < 1364247411 410489 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 doesn't take place entirely in a single day, does it? < 1364247422 102896 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, have an esolang: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Combienti%C3%A8m < 1364247423 24458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was the whole gimmick < 1364247439 774143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however time keeps going during commercial breaks < 1364247454 229358 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364247455 276870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that's when jack bauer goes to the bathroom < 1364247461 51369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone stops doing bad stuff during commercial breaks < 1364247556 876511 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. *Each season* takes place entirely in a single day. < 1364247563 408939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one day per season, which is what a british person would call a "series" < 1364247590 670392 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do Brits call series? < 1364247595 949633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmes < 1364247597 596628 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they just call them programmes? < 1364247597 962063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1364247606 231087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll have trouble with the reruns though - with more commercials, time in the series will pass slower and slower < 1364247606 789105 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like asking questions right after someone tells me the answer. < 1364247778 18384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, series was a typo, I meant half-way through the season < 1364247794 349397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just forgot about seasons 2-8 for a while < 1364247836 985816 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1364247840 669906 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364247912 625796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also failed to find good information about what vacation auto responders can normally do... does everyone build their own script for that? < 1364248155 931863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sane one would also be explicitly designed not to cause a loop, but that's what we want < 1364248204 477789 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I guess I'm trying to figure out how computation in Combientièm might work. < 1364248288 423712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the word whichth < 1364248329 669994 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think storing Booleans is easy enough. < 1364248376 792541 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just store either "t" or "f" in a command. Then, to branch, store the true branch in "t" and the false branch in "f". < 1364248400 456412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quotus < 1364248578 162879 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364248752 895640 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then for numbers, I guess you could store any number of "o"s in a command, and then use it kinda like a Church numeral. < 1364248794 708172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hm this might not be that different from how i made that emmental program < 1364248919 954722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this _doesn't_ have a stack, does it? < 1364248930 992787 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1364249058 757198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has that compilation semantics for storing things in commands instead, which somehow corresponds to the emmental command ! which uses the stack. and i think this is the only thing that _needs_ a stack. < 1364249104 820943 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not obvious to me that Combientièm's interpretation–compilation dichotomy is actually useful. < 1364249194 258680 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allows you to construct definitions without using L. Maybe there's no real problem with using L, though. < 1364249537 120574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i also use the stack to store the emulated underload stack. this might be harder to translate into combientièm... < 1364249606 504172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might seem simpler to do a queue with all this appending, maybe. < 1364249616 951984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: perhaps BCT would be easy? < 1364249636 842848 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking a Minsky machine. < 1364249647 207649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1364249938 322086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hm should L really be compilation mode? it seems redundant then. < 1364249949 494711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1364249961 448397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's needed to append things that don't append themselves, i gues < 1364249963 650452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1364250075 141044 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1364250132 378716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my underload interpreter in emmental sort of also had interpreter and compilation modes. and a printing mode. < 1364250142 886433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1364250167 237334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :called them running and quoting. < 1364250203 14732 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the I–C dichotomy, the only commands you'd need are N and L. < 1364250252 41130 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could set 3 to "ooo" by doing "N3LoLoLo". < 1364250292 986423 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :To set c to a AND b, then you'd do, uh... < 1364250429 845118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dichotomy would make it closer to emmental < 1364250432 544223 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nt[Nt[Nc[t]] Nf[Nc[f]] b] Nf[Nc[f]] a < 1364250442 108730 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where [...] means ... with an L inserted before every character. < 1364250481 198232 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364250491 520224 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the whole program is... < 1364250510 852845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the quote function used for constructing emmental programs < 1364250534 136959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a part of emmental proper, but you need it not to go crazy writing the programs) < 1364250556 904006 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364250567 583123 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :NtLNLtLLLNLLLcLLLLLLLtLNLfLLLNLLLcLLLLLLLfLbNfLNLcLLLfa < 1364250609 906925 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think I should use the I–C dichotomy. < 1364250626 428503 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now, to set c to a AND b, you do this: < 1364250665 533528 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you french? < 1364250679 279154 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: nope. < 1364250692 734507 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause I've always imagined you as an american on a boat over the mississipi < 1364250713 37415 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nt( Nt( Nc( t )LLLD )LD Nf( Nc( f)LLLD )LD b)D Nf( Nc( f )LD )D a < 1364250714 865959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a straw hat? < 1364250716 710851 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ( and ) don't mean anything. < 1364250718 434752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you from hexham? < 1364250741 934517 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitily with a straw hat < 1364250744 422944 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the program without the junk is NtNtNctLLLDLDNfNcfLLLDLDbDNfNcfLDDa. < 1364250759 418990 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which side of the Mississippi is "over the Mississippi"? < 1364250770 863734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other side, duh < 1364250772 27045 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other side, duh < 1364250781 630877 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1364250784 908382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hi five < 1364250791 434224 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I'm on this side of the Mississippi. < 1364250856 796389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make another of yourself, you can be on the other side of the mississippi too < 1364250865 897542 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364250940 324989 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a boat, people < 1364250981 494094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a boat to the other side < 1364250992 44387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out for the guy with a cowl < 1364251475 276839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : dbelange, it can't, and I can't think of one < 1364251507 656096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a positive number is a real number not on the form -x^2 for any real number x. hth. < 1364251529 302788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was to the second question in the logs.) < 1364252126 555316 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, one that is of the form 1/x^2 for some real number x. < 1364252139 133125 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthth < 1364252169 862833 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1364252184 16990 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys don't count zero as negative < 1364252194 502006 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or positive < 1364252320 418614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1364252352 729544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which btw was essentially the _first_ question in the logs. < 1364252380 809949 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whelp, I'm on this side of the Mississippi. < 1364252390 904213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a mississippi in australia then < 1364252396 672533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the first on that theme. dbelange made a whole bunch of rather basic math questions. < 1364252420 784699 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually an entire United States of America in Australia. < 1364252421 745953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when is t... oh right. < 1364252453 839796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there is? < 1364252456 591072 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1364252457 628773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are those islands in dubai that form a (crude) map of the world < 1364252465 316250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there's a USA in japan too < 1364252468 823878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what they put at the fixed point < 1364252470 29014 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Called Austramerica. < 1364252522 185670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't recursive at all then it's truly a waste of money < 1364252533 766960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining a map from centuries in the future, where the continent is named "Stray" < 1364252555 967938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a continent named Murrica < 1364252575 285330 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora can you please explain oerjan's joke to me < 1364252591 355366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think future changes in language will be shaped more by written / typed forms than by verbal forms < 1364252601 910226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :words that are hard to type on QWERTY will slowly disappear < 1364252608 587651 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the largest world map in the world is. < 1364252611 540509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile I'll be speaking English with a Dvorak accent < 1364252616 693620 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That archipelago, I guess. < 1364252621 55537 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not a very good world map. < 1364252624 654290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's too shitty -- yeah < 1364252637 687929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: just radical pronunciation becoming the official forms < 1364252638 632549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/09/26 figure 1 < 1364252647 212898 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing? In the future? < 1364252656 547434 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. The circumference of the earth is about 40,000 meters. So... < 1364252657 45296 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, dvorak is a czech name, but august dvorak was just american < 1364252658 916091 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the earth itself is a good 1:1 spheral world map < 1364252664 734281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooooh right < 1364252666 315581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strine < 1364252673 695174 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way, it makes greenland way too big < 1364252679 903354 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you made a world map 200 meters wide, then it would contain a depiction of itself about 1 meter wide. < 1364252689 877018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's dvorak and not dvořák < 1364252725 920154 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess we have to do that. < 1364252736 824187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tři sta třicet tři stříbrných stříkaček stříkalo přes tři sta třicet tři stříbrných střech < 1364252744 952485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i become world dictator i'll make using dvorak legal only for those who can pronounce it properly in czech. just because. < 1364252786 357612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I don't get it either :< < 1364252802 373329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the "stray" joke (?) < 1364252805 775929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the czech ř is unique < 1364252822 528645 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1364252824 79724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: just radical pronunciation becoming the official forms < 1364252825 502237 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :40000 km not m < 1364252828 778887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see I'm smart too) < 1364252833 657957 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: uhhh, right. < 1364252835 384284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you catch a unique odepoint < 1364252850 58851 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why do you want me to explain it then @_@ < 1364252872 640069 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one hell of a world map! < 1364252877 457818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Let's see. The circumference of the earth is about 40,000 meters. So... <-- UM... < 1364252881 411941 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364252886 238184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know some people whose last name is dvorak can they use it < 1364252887 89972 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno 40k sounds realistic < 1364252889 310486 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, the circumference of the earth is about 40,000,000 meters. So if you made a world map about 6000 meters wide, then it would contain a depiction of itself about 1 meter wide. < 1364252891 229946 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :km < 1364252904 937646 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me just jog over to where you live < 1364252906 824538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :August Dvorak was from Washington........................ < 1364252918 628473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: because I was lying when I said I was smart! oerjan explained it to me when you didn't < 1364252918 823120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok if they can prove a proper genealogy. < 1364252936 893500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wařington < 1364252939 537399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1364252944 465983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1364252946 298045 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that < 1364252954 553932 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: the length of a marathon is also about 40,000 meters. < 1364252955 633959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "descended from john c. dvorak" count < 1364252963 186217 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the circumference of the earth is about 1,000 marathons. < 1364253001 583483 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dvorak and Dealey, along with Nellie Merrick and Gertrude Ford, wrote the book Typewriting Behavior, published in 1936. The book, currently not in print, is an in-depth report on the psychology and physiology of typing." how boring can you get < 1364253021 402224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :washington, washington, eight feet tall weighs a fucking ton < 1364253024 2793 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: let's organize a giant relay marathon thing < 1364253044 179672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only if the name has been used in an unbroken line < 1364253045 12862 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the dryest circumference of the earth? < 1364253060 866885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: kickstarter to re-issue it and then mail a free copy to everyone who has evolved their own keyboard layout against a fitness function pulled out of their ass < 1364253085 295352 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :donating < 1364253085 551957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i want to read that as Gertrude Stein. < 1364253093 125656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting that kick < 1364253096 424242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's on g. books < 1364253111 538395 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what about running on a north-south cycle < 1364253130 927267 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :antarctica -> america -> greenland -> europe -> something < 1364253137 689675 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess would be somewhere around the greenich meridian but that's uncreative < 1364253152 229886 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey someone on usenet already asked < 1364253179 237124 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :404'd. < 1364253209 329876 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh here we go http://jidanni.org/geo/antipodes/hemispheres.html < 1364253240 860405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can at least chose a route that you're somewhat likely to survive (as opposed to anything involving antarctica and greenland) < 1364253279 73728 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, as if anything involving an ocean is going to be survivable. < 1364253317 476481 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our crude program finds two wettest circles, skirting Africa, with 8% land, and one driest circle, through Antarctica, with 55% land." < 1364253334 705631 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is definitely ~ going to work. < 1364253388 872877 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364253496 175825 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, so, the world map 6,000 meters wide. < 1364253512 782703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip it and just do the picture of the map in the map < 1364253517 835175 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be on the order of... 40,000 square kilometers. Wow, what a surprise. < 1364253531 607265 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, no. < 1364253535 148400 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 square kilometers. < 1364253632 878164 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is about 10,000 acres. < 1364253668 757290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun! < 1364253680 130531 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you might be able to buy for about $5,000,000. < 1364253686 937538 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have $5,000,000 they feel like blowing? < 1364253758 436441 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364253918 217688 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364254000 501172 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364254033 514902 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364254406 761200 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1364254526 694987 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364254640 216345 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364254696 398431 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits everyone with a Spring
< 1364255019 356968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spring spring MVC with XML configure-time configuration < 1364255042 387865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think run-time configuration should be separate from normal run-time < 1364255940 13168 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds