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00:13:58 <Sgeo> Um. Wikipedia's down.
00:14:23 <Sgeo> er, thought it was. Weird.
00:14:37 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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00:52:09 <kmc> FreeFull: yup
00:52:23 <kmc> it has been observed
00:57:32 * Sgeo wonders if kmc has yet been subjected to my horrible Haskell pun
00:59:19 <Sgeo> What did Goldilocks say when she say Maybe (b -> Either a b)?
01:03:04 <Sgeo> It's Just Right!
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01:37:46 <oerjan> Sgeo: i'm sure i've heard that a long time ago, although i cannot recall if you were the one who told it.
01:42:38 <Sgeo> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/index.php?title=Humor/Goldilocks&action=history
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01:45:22 <Bike> is there seriously a humor section
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01:48:26 <Bike> also why is return called return, it doesn't seem remotely like any return i've heard of even in IO do
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01:51:33 <oerjan> i guess, on occasion, when placed at the end of a function, it has a slightly analogous role.
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02:03:20 <kmc> yeah it is one of the most confusing names you could pick
02:03:59 <kmc> there isn't necessarily a great alternative, but there are alternatives which don't come with misleading existing meaning
02:05:53 <Bike> i see "unit" a lot or like at all i guess
02:06:03 <kmc> one thing I learned from Haskell is that people will complain if you use crazy math words like monad, but they'll also complain if you use familiar words in a slightly different way
02:06:08 <kmc> you can't win
02:06:14 <Bike> also another dumb haskell question
02:06:23 <Bike> what's wrong with «dumbTest x = do { y <- assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)]; z <- 10 + y; z }», it says I'm asking for Num (Maybe a)
02:06:33 <kmc> what's assocValue
02:06:41 <Bike> (Eq key) => key -> [(key,value)] -> Maybe value
02:06:45 <kmc> anyway the problem is «z <- 10 + y» i think
02:06:55 <kmc> maybe you wanted «let z = 10 + y»
02:07:00 <Sgeo> Also the z right after it
02:07:16 <kmc> right, that should become «return z» but then it's not necessary at all
02:07:27 <kmc> rather you would write do { y <- assocValue ...; return (10 + y) }
02:07:55 <Bike> hm, so i guess <- doesn't do what i thought it did
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02:07:57 <kmc> Bike: in «x <- e», e :: M a, and x :: a
02:08:09 <kmc> because it's sugar for «e >>= (\x -> ...)»
02:08:17 <kmc> and (>>=) :: M a -> (a -> M b) -> M b
02:08:56 <Bike> ok, i think i see.
02:09:07 <kmc> so it wants «10 + y» to be Maybe something
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02:14:24 <Bike> so i can write it without do as «dumbTest x = (assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)]) >>= (return . (+ 10))». sensible enough
02:14:57 <kmc> but additionally
02:15:21 <kmc> «e >>= (return . f)» is equivalent to «fmap f e»
02:15:32 <Bike> ooh, i tried fmap earlier but it barfed
02:15:36 <kmc> or «f <$> e» if you prefer the infix operators from Control.Applicative
02:15:51 <elliott> Bike: you have way extraneous parens there
02:15:53 <kmc> i would still use return on the last line of a do, sometimes, depending on what makes it most readable
02:16:01 <elliott> you can elim the ones around the assocValue expression without even knowing relative precedences
02:16:03 <Bike> elliott: i am aware
02:16:07 <elliott> by the function application binds tightest (modulo record syntax) rule
02:16:08 <kmc> i would keep the others
02:16:27 <elliott> i would eliminate the other parens by not doing >>= return . :p
02:16:58 <Bike> dumbTest x = fmap (+ 10) (assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)])
02:17:02 <Bike> it's like i really know haskell
02:23:17 <elliott> dumbTest x = (+ 10) <$> assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)] -- death to parens
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02:54:52 <tromp__> anyone know how to include graphics in reddit comments?
02:55:52 <oerjan> i think you can only include graphics that have been enabled by the subreddit moderators
02:56:49 <oerjan> (the ones i've seen have always been choices from a list of pictures)
03:00:30 <oerjan> elliott: (+ 10) has parens hth
03:01:06 <elliott> oerjan: if only addition was infix.
03:01:46 <oerjan> > subtract . negate 10 $ 42
03:01:48 <lambdabot> Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> a))
03:01:48 <lambdabot> arising from the ambiguity chec...
03:02:10 <oerjan> :t subtract . negate 10
03:02:13 <lambdabot> (Functor f, Num (f a), Num a) => f (a -> a)
03:02:58 <Bike> it's (Num b, Num (a -> b)) => a -> b -> b locally, clearly this is what you meant
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03:03:13 <oerjan> > subtract `id` negate 10 $ 42
03:03:24 <oerjan> there you go, no parentheses needed
03:03:31 <Bike> mixfix clearly forms a monoid.
03:07:24 <Bike> radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab*, good filename
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03:11:56 <Sgeo> oerjan, it works by each subreddit customizing the CSS
03:12:04 <Sgeo> I should be sleeping 12 minutes ago
03:12:07 <Sgeo> Interview etc. etc.
03:12:19 <Sgeo> Except I can't stop thinking about OI
03:12:48 <Sgeo> And before elliott screams that OI doesn't work, I'd love to really understand what it is exactly that doesn't work.
03:13:01 <oerjan> oh dear. starting to think about abstract things just before bed? _bad_ move.
03:13:53 <Bike> He just stares disapprovingly, communicating the information in subtle microsaccades.
03:14:47 <lambdabot> *** "saccade" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
03:14:47 <lambdabot> n 1: a rapid, jerky movement of the eyes between positions of
03:14:47 <lambdabot> 2: an abrupt spasmodic movement [syn: {jerk}, {jerking}, {jolt},
03:15:18 <oerjan> so, being a jerk about it?
03:15:25 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsaccade
03:18:15 <elliott> Sgeo: i was going to tell you you haven't updated the language list for your rename. however it is not on there at all.
03:20:32 <Sgeo> So many languages that begin with brain :(
03:20:57 <Sgeo> Also it's less googleable now
03:21:09 <Bike> sgeo's new language, mindshit
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03:32:14 <Sgeo> WeThePeop. WeThePope
03:32:54 <oerjan> there may, or may not, be a pope.
03:33:12 <oerjan> most likely there isn't.
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03:34:29 <Bike> oh, they're still 'claving
03:52:55 <kmc> 'The tradition dates back to 1268, when after nearly three years of deliberation the cardinals had still not agreed on a new pope, prompting the people of Rome to hurry things up by locking them up and cutting their rations.'
03:53:38 <Bike> papal politics are the best
03:55:23 <Bike> "Gregory's election came as a complete surprise to him, partially because it happened while he was engaged in the Ninth Crusade at Acre with King Edward I of England in Israel."
03:56:30 <Bike> "As a result of the length of the election, during which three of the twenty cardinal-electors died and one resigned,"
03:57:17 <ais523> is there any risk of the cardinals actually starving to death during the conclave
03:57:20 <ais523> or are they given enough to live on?
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03:57:44 <Bike> they get rations
03:57:44 <coppro> Nowadays they are given enough to survive
03:57:51 <coppro> but after a time it goes down to just bread and water iirc
03:58:30 <kmc> incentive!
03:58:40 <oerjan> well it _is_ lent, anyhow.
03:58:51 <coppro> oerjan: we'll find out pretty quickly when there is a pope
03:58:59 <coppro> unless they screw up the smoke again like in the sixties
03:59:42 <madbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBHfXPqbgI
04:06:56 <coppro> oerjan: yeah, it was when they stopped using sealed ballots
04:07:19 <coppro> they previously used damp straw to make the smoke black
04:07:39 <coppro> but it turned out that the sealing wax was a vital component in the reaction as well
04:07:54 <coppro> so the first smoke was gray, much to everyone's confusion
04:08:28 <coppro> after that they started using chemicals to color the smoke
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04:13:56 <Bike> what's shakin'
04:14:15 <monqy> what is this slang
04:16:22 <madbr> ok let's see this... trying to make a replacement for chip8, so I'm making a RISC cpu ripoff
04:18:06 <madbr> all instructions can take either format 1 (reg, reg, reg), or format 2 (reg, reg, immediate)
04:18:11 <madbr> math: add/sub/mul/cmp/cmu
04:18:12 <madbr> logic: and/or/xor/shl/shr/sar
04:18:57 <Bike> from the makers of chip8 come this new architecture with all your favorite characters!
04:19:04 <Bike> mmix is knuth's thing
04:20:27 <madbr> trying to minimize opcodes
04:21:19 <madbr> going for 32 bits too
04:22:01 <coppro> MMIX is intended to be a hypothetical fully-functional assembly language
04:22:16 <coppro> it has virtual memory, floating point, etc.
04:22:23 <coppro> predictive branching even
04:22:39 <madbr> don't care about virtual memory
04:22:48 <madbr> though floating point could be nice
04:23:01 <Bike> hm, didn't know it had branch prediction
04:23:12 <Bike> wonder if the early volumes are ever coming out again -_-
04:24:42 <madbr> it will also need a calling convention... I'll probably just rip off ARM's convention for that
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04:26:03 <coppro> apparently someone's implemented MMIX in verilog; neat
04:26:12 <madbr> "arguments in registers #,#,#,# stack pointer in register # return address in register # you can overwrite registers #### but you have to save registers ####"
04:27:42 <madbr> I guess I also need a drawing function, some input reading function, a buffer flip/vsync function, and something to play sfx/music
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04:36:36 * coppro downloads mmixware to tablet
04:42:33 <madbr> hmm, I could make pixel data just like other data
04:43:02 <madbr> but then I'd probably need a byte load/store function (and byte addressing instead of word)
04:44:21 <Bike> only 256 color, huh
04:44:46 <madbr> yeah 256 color is fun
04:44:53 <madbr> though it sucks for transparency
04:44:56 <kmc> are you designing a small CPU for writing demos?
04:45:19 <madbr> kmc : trying to come up with something retarded simple yet useful to replace chip8
04:45:25 <madbr> for games actually
04:47:16 <madbr> pros for 256: retro chic, palette effects are fun, can write 4 pixels at once
04:47:41 <madbr> cons: have to draw everything with the same palette, transparencies and lighting effects don't work too well
04:47:58 <madbr> also sucks for art that isn't drawn
04:49:25 <madbr> definitely ups the difficulty of deving for the platform too
04:49:59 <madbr> also makes hardware accelerated emulation of gfx hard
04:51:04 <kmc> you can switch palette on every scanline!
04:51:21 <madbr> I'm not sure I'm going to allow HDMA effects
04:52:02 <kmc> is that what it's called
04:52:12 <madbr> well, hdma is the SNES version
04:52:24 <madbr> horizontal blank dma or something
04:53:09 <madbr> you could call it copper effects too (amiga chip that does the same stuff)
05:03:14 <kmc> i know some microcomputers only run program code in the blanking intervals
05:03:20 <kmc> but I guess game consoles never worked that way
05:03:49 <madbr> costs a lot of cpu cycles
05:04:08 <madbr> I guess the 2600 sorta worked that way
05:04:26 <madbr> because the cpu had to update the gfx registers on each scanline
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05:16:32 <kmc> the Galaksija only runs the user program during the blank intervals
05:17:24 <kmc> while scanning the visible region, it runs a kind of dummy program and uses the Z80's DRAM refresh counter to index the character buffer
05:17:55 <Bike> is the Galaksija like the 80s version of a Galaxy Note
05:18:07 <kmc> the bytes of the dummy program also happen to make up string constants used by the BASIC interpreter
05:18:15 <kmc> Bike: yes and from yugoslavia
05:18:43 <kmc> "What country is this computer from?" "It... no longer exists."
05:20:27 <Bike> Good sales pitch if I ever heard one.
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05:46:52 <madbr> yay this fits in one switch/case
05:46:53 <madbr> http://pastebin.com/qkVskLAa
05:49:57 <kmc> hm, mul discards the high half of the result?
05:50:37 <kmc> also why is the halt instruction named 'vbl'
05:50:56 <madbr> wait 1/60th of a second :D
05:51:19 <madbr> (and let the rest of the machine read the picture to display from memory)
05:58:26 <madbr> it would probably just read the graphics in 320x200x32bit off some memory location every frame
05:58:46 <madbr> I think this is fast enough just to draw the frame buffer over on each frame
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06:01:19 <madbr> and for controls it could probaby just write the input state at some memory offset just before the vm is run
06:04:03 <madbr> but then no palette effects :(
06:04:15 <madbr> also transparency would be hard :(
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06:05:12 <madbr> well not had but kinda slow
06:05:44 <madbr> hmm maybe not even
06:07:05 <madbr> pixel = ((pixel & 0xfefefe) + (in & 0xfefefe)) >> 1;
06:08:40 <madbr> would be hard to do clamped colors though :(
06:10:06 <madbr> still need a way to handle sfx + music too
06:14:41 <Fiora> ooh, I see simd within a register
06:15:04 <madbr> yeah demoscene kinda trick :D
06:16:56 <madbr> or pixel = ((((pixel & 0xff00ff) * light) & 0xff00ff00) + (((pixel & 0xff00) * light) & 0xff0000)) >>> 8
06:17:39 <madbr> hmm I guess real simd would help there
06:18:12 <Fiora> for the average you have pavgb which is super fast
06:18:17 <Fiora> for the multiply.... hmmm
06:18:55 <Fiora> unpack to 16-bit then use pmulhrsw? pmulhw I guess if you don't really care about rounding
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06:19:09 <madbr> the best one was on ARM
06:19:16 <Fiora> interleave+pmaddubsw might be super nice if you need to add two
06:19:24 <Fiora> like pixA*lightA+pixB*lightB
06:19:38 <madbr> 16*16 mul, * 2 keep high word saturare 32768 to 32767
06:19:53 <madbr> 1 cycle throughput
06:20:47 <madbr> works on 4 shorts at the same time, doesn't change size or anything
06:21:11 <madbr> so you can effectively do 4 interpolations at the same time (for sound mixing)
06:23:34 <Fiora> I guess for something like that I guess I might try pmaddwd + packssdw?
06:33:13 <madbr> or maybe use 16bits and have SIMD operations that operate on 1:5:5:5:1:5:5:5 data :D
06:34:51 <Fiora> oh gosh that'd be nutty XD
06:36:02 <fizzie> Doesn't AltiVec do something slightly like that? I mean, it wasn't 1:5:5:5, but it has a RGB "pixel" datatype, the format of which I don't recall, and related operations.
06:36:20 <madbr> 5:6:5 is used sometimes too
06:36:41 <madbr> I don't recall anything using 4:4:4:4 tho
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06:37:55 <fizzie> It is a 16-bit RGB pixel format (of which there are 8 in the register), unless I completely misremember.
06:38:27 <madbr> oh man, worst idea
06:38:34 <fizzie> 8 16-bit pixels or 4 32-bit pixels, says one page, but does not go into detail.
06:38:55 <madbr> but with red/green/blue on separate video memory pages
06:39:17 <madbr> and 4:4:4:4:4:4:4:4 SIMD instructions :D
06:40:16 <madbr> though that would more or less torpedo pixel drawing stuff like particle effects
06:41:20 <madbr> with 4 bits per component and 2:1 undersampling on U and V
06:41:39 <madbr> so it's something like VYUYVYUY on each 32 bit word :D
06:45:28 <madbr> I think I can guess what altivec does.. something like expand the 1:5:5:5 pixels to 8:8:8:8
06:46:27 <pikhq> madbr: That 12 bit RGB thing sounds suspiciously like something VGA would do.
06:47:26 <madbr> more of a crazy amiga thing imho :D
06:47:54 <madbr> they had... I think it was a 6 bit format
06:47:59 <madbr> using bit planes ofc
06:48:16 <madbr> where color 0..15 = set red to 0..15
06:48:23 <madbr> 16..31 = set green to 0..15
06:48:31 <madbr> 32..47 = set blue to 0..15
06:48:43 <madbr> 48..63 = load from palette index 0..15
06:49:32 <madbr> they even came up with a 8bit version later on (giving roughly 18bit color...)
06:50:18 <madbr> of course some programs would also HDMA the palette so that it had optimal 16 colors for each scanline
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07:34:10 <fizzie> HAM (the thing described above) is such a screwy mode indeed.
07:40:38 <fizzie> And the AltiVec 16-bit pixel in fact *is* a 1:5:5:5 format.
07:42:49 <fizzie> There's a vec_packpx to pack a 4+4 (two SIMD registers) 8:8:8:8 pixels into 8 1:5:5:5 pixels by taking the 5 high bits of the R, G and B channels, and the least significant bit of the A channel.
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07:51:55 <ais523> Canaimero-15d3: are you a human, or a spambot?
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07:52:22 <ais523> it turned up, sent me a bunch of random gibberish in a PM, then parted again
07:56:30 <fizzie> I didn't get any spam. :/
07:56:42 <fizzie> Must be some kind of a "for better folks only" thing.
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11:46:10 <Sgeo> fuck where's my wallet
12:00:32 <Sgeo> fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckl'
12:03:36 <monqy> have you checked your pocket
12:03:48 <monqy> your sofa/couch/???, your chair
12:04:02 <monqy> your trash can, your car, your friend's car
12:04:19 <monqy> your jacket pocket
12:04:38 <monqy> your dufflebag your fannypack
12:04:58 <monqy> i'm running out of ideas man
12:05:36 <fizzie> I think that's where my father found his wallet once.
12:05:53 <monqy> hm maybe they're in your pants but not in the pocket part. like you tried to put them in your pants but you kinda missed it
12:06:01 <monqy> if you missed it in the other direction they could be on your floor
12:06:05 <monqy> maybe you put it in a drawer
12:06:23 <monqy> hm, microwave/oven/stove might also be worth checking? you could have confused it with your meal
12:06:58 <monqy> medicine cabinet, pets, bookshelves, other shelves
12:07:00 <fizzie> It's like this: you use money to buy food, it's a reasonable mistake to think you can cut out the middleman.
12:08:18 <monqy> http://www.supermegacomics.com/images/361.gif i hear it works out pretty well
12:10:46 <monqy> maybe it's a wallet from the future that only appears when you need money from it
12:10:59 <monqy> do you have any time machines lying around, that could explain it
12:11:10 <monqy> alt. explanation is you dropped it in the time machine and now it's who knows when
12:11:35 <monqy> dinosaur could have eaten it, butterfly effect and that's why (?????weird thing?????)
12:12:00 <monqy> that is pretty dang weird
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12:16:24 <monqy> well he said it's his
12:16:33 <monqy> are we sure it's even a wallet
12:16:39 <monqy> maybe it's a metaphor for something far more sinister
12:17:16 <Sgeo> (well, I guess I'm not actually counting on IRC help. so n/m)
12:17:44 <Phantom_Hoover> maybe it was just a pile of money and credit cards and whatever else sgeo keeps in his wallet
12:18:44 <Sgeo> It also has my keys
12:18:56 <Sgeo> So kind of need it to get back into building
12:19:01 <Sgeo> So can't really leave without it
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12:56:05 <Sgeo> Putting this shampoo in was a mistake. It smells horrific.
12:56:40 <Arc_Koen> is that the head&shoulder we were talking aboutyesterday?
12:59:37 <Arc_Koen> you know I watched that Green Lantern film yesterday. I'm really not a fan of reynolds and the movie was about as good as the third spiderman film, but when he used his ring for the first time the only thing I could think of was "if I get a ring like that, able to build anything out of my imagination, I'll never need to program in any language ever again"
13:10:42 <Arc_Koen> Sgeo: if your itnerviewer is a woman you probably need to go fetch a better shampoo :)
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13:25:00 <Sgeo> wtf I look like I'm going to a fancy dress party, not an interview
13:25:31 <Arc_Koen> Phantom_Hoover: You don't believe in the power of shampoo?
13:25:45 <monqy> what sort of power are we talking here
13:26:14 <boily> today is a sginteorview day. how many excrutiating seconds left before it?
13:26:50 <Arc_Koen> how do you think I managed to go so far in my studies without attending the exams!!
13:27:02 <Sgeo> These men's dress socks look feminine
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13:28:27 <Sgeo> It's what my friend guided me to buy for my interview
13:28:39 <Phantom_Hoover> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8UYKnFltKEQ/UITnD74CCfI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/OgNHMSU7_rg/s1600/socks-men-dress%5B1%5D.jpg
13:29:11 <Sgeo> There's a pattern on these
13:29:17 <Arc_Koen> god I was imagining Sgeo wearing stockings
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13:31:07 <Arc_Koen> especially flowers and kitties
13:31:30 <boily> (meanwhile, I just upgraded a package in my local haskell installation, without anything breaking. it feels strange.)
13:31:44 <boily> flowers are not feminine. what about hawaiian shirts?
13:31:59 <Phantom_Hoover> well it depends on what part of the flower you're talking about
13:36:33 <Sgeo> Ok, heading out now
13:40:30 <Phantom_Hoover> http://answers.ea.com/t5/Miscellaneous-Issues/Traffic-quot-AI-quot-This-is-why-services-and-traffic-are-broken/m-p/737060#U737060[
13:40:47 <Phantom_Hoover> i'd have thought maxis of all people would have learnt the dangers of oversimulation
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16:05:30 <nooodl> http://bpaste.net/show/OrlKdQFBXpBmf21nXX1n/ i wrote a small python lazy-k interpreter
16:05:40 <nooodl> only supports `ski, though
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16:45:26 <elliott> @tell ais523 any idea about http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=DNA-Sharp&curid=2720&diff=35666&oldid=31940? site owner, maybe?
16:45:57 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Amelia
16:47:54 <Bike> what a well designed page
16:48:28 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Amelia&oldid=35657
16:48:31 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Amelia&oldid=35658
16:48:39 <Phantom_Hoover> Amelia. 1 day old. No history. No philosophy. No uses. No--
16:49:07 <elliott> is this poetry Phantom_Hoover
16:51:41 <elliott> i should probably play deus ex
16:51:45 <elliott> but only for like five minutes
16:51:56 <Bike> turns out to be an esolang based on mediawiki formatting
16:52:07 <elliott> Bike: we already have that
16:52:15 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag
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16:54:00 <Bike> I don't see a History OR a Philosophy section!
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17:15:51 <HackEgo> BOUCHOU: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
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17:18:44 <Bike> that link is still broken :(
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17:22:02 <boily> elliott: you scared bouchou.
17:22:24 <elliott> that's ok. this is a scary place
17:26:13 <Phantom_Hoover> thank god, we weren't sure you'd survive the shampoo fumes
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17:31:05 <boily> an Sgeo is a unit of time equivalent to ~3h48min.
17:31:37 <elliott> boily: how... how do you pronounce sgeo
17:33:27 <elliott> well I am wondering where the "an" came from
17:34:32 <fizzie> It's better than "ffgf".
17:36:03 <boily> there weren't any hi here.
17:41:42 <fizzie> You don't want to be saying "hi" in public, it's not seemly.
17:42:44 <Bike> you don't want to be "the monqy" of the channel.
17:43:27 <fizzie> It's a general sort of a rule that, in any given situation, if you don't know who the monqy is, chances are it's you.
17:43:39 <Gregor> Mind you, my reply would have been /ignore bouchou!*@*
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17:49:59 <Gregor> Man, I've ignored bouchou like three times now.
17:50:03 <Gregor> That's just not fair to the poor guy.
17:54:12 <boily> his nick is ambiguous. does it mean hearing, expansion, counterintelligence or protection against the tide?
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18:28:53 <Sgeo> There is a Pope.
18:29:32 <Sgeo> Or, well, a future Pope has been selected.
18:30:26 <Sgeo> So, OI a are things that functions can't really make on their own, but can get values out of?
18:30:45 <Sgeo> Every IO a becomes a way to get an a out of an OI a, I think
18:31:00 <Sgeo> So an OI is almost like a secret key into the real world?
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18:34:08 <boily> darn. they is chosen, but not announced.
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18:41:18 <Sgeo> FreeFull, it's supposed to be. Somehow or other OI doesn't work, but I don't know enough about OI to even understand claims that it doesn't work.
18:45:37 <Bike> http://24.media.tumblr.com/919ba5543de04d4d7f9d3e27cfd41d10/tumblr_mjm40mAwrq1qkinreo1_1280.gif
18:46:57 <FreeFull> Sgeo: Probably doesn't work because there is no way to construct an OI value, other than using bottom =P
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18:47:38 <Sgeo> The package I saw had a runInteraction :: (OI a -> b) -> IO b
18:47:56 <Sgeo> So runInteraction must internally create an OI
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18:48:18 <Sgeo> If the language were OI based, runInteraction might be external to the system
18:48:37 <Sgeo> The same way that with current Haskell, executing IO actions are external to the system
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19:10:49 <Fiora> Bike: so like. um. do you think I should start an asm/programmy sideblog so that people can follow me without being flooded by fandom things? and so I don't scare people off with scary asm things
19:11:13 <Bike> if that means you posting more asm things then yes
19:11:14 <Fiora> I wonder what I could call it. "fiora progterma" is terrible
19:11:26 <Fiora> you want more of them?
19:11:43 <FreeFull> Sgeo: If OI is a comonad, then what stops you from doing extract
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19:19:12 <nooodl> tromp__: i think it isn't actually lazy, as Phantom_Hoover mentioned hours ago
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19:23:38 <tromp__> right; it's call-by-need, but without sharing
19:23:58 <Taneb> `run echo "new pope" | uuu
19:24:10 <Bike> `run echo "francis i" | uuu
19:26:01 <elliott> but h literal syntax is sin
19:26:21 <Fiora> I was thinking of trying to turn the name into asm puns
19:26:33 <Fiora> but FILDa AESENCa doesn't have the same ring
19:26:58 <Taneb> elliott, but sin(90) = is sqrt 2/2!
19:26:59 <tromp__> ah, i see. you don't delay argument evaluation in combinator s
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19:27:49 <Bike> Fiora: just come up with a quick url like fiorasm and then obsess over the displayed title for the rest of your life
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19:28:18 <shachaf> imo make the title be the same as the subdomain
19:29:12 <Taneb> (what's Fiora dooing?)
19:29:18 <Fiora> I was thinking of making an asm sideblog thing
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19:30:09 <Taneb> I'm mildly afraid of asm
19:30:28 <kmc> Fiora: how did you memorize all the SSE instructions
19:30:33 <kmc> did you make flashcards or something
19:30:34 <tromp__> nooodl: i once wrote the prime number sieve in python pure lambda style: http://bpaste.net/show/VZJSFQs3eDZf2SqgMi1C/
19:30:47 <shachaf> You memoriszed all the SSE instructions?
19:30:54 <tromp__> but you quickly run into python's recursion limit
19:31:08 <tromp__> you can run it with python primes.py 2> /dev/null | head -c 100
19:31:13 <kmc> oppa lambda style
19:31:23 <Taneb> tromp__, translate it into Lazy K
19:31:28 <Bike> that joke is a thousand years too late
19:31:29 <elliott> kmc.......................
19:31:51 <kmc> no you see now it's self consciously bad
19:32:02 * boily swats kmc with a jar of kimchi
19:32:20 <Bike> kmc you can't be a hipster about jokes about popular music, it just doesn't work
19:32:31 <kmc> hipster about internet memes
19:33:12 <boily> you should feel honoured. such a nice, handcrafted jar, with the finest organic virtual ballistic cabbage!
19:36:45 <Bike> wasn't gangnam style a song at some point
19:37:42 <Fiora> kmc: I definitely didn't memorize them all
19:37:55 <Fiora> I know most of the basic ones but I mean, the ones I know best are just ones I've used a lot
19:37:59 <Bike> what's pbroadcastvb
19:38:05 <Fiora> I am extremely bad at memorizing things actually
19:38:16 <Fiora> like, I can remember concepts and processes pretty well, but outright memorization is very hard
19:38:25 <Fiora> in 4 years of german in school I learned like a few hundred vocab words
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19:38:44 <Fiora> so like, when I think "pmaddubsw", I don't think some raw manual definition of what it does, I think of all the stuff I use it for and the tricks I know with it
19:39:04 <Fiora> and performance characteristics and stuff
19:39:26 <Fiora> ummm I think vpbroadcast only has "b", "w", "d", and "q"
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19:40:03 <kmc> makes sense
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19:41:03 <Fiora> oh, b, w, d, q, and "i128"
19:41:29 <kmc> double quad super octo-word
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19:41:39 <Fiora> kmc: one result of "not memorizing" like that is that I often don't remember 'exactly' what something does, and I do have to look things up a lot
19:42:10 <Fiora> like. don't ask me which direction palignr works in. I know it's supposed to be "right" (the "r"), but what's "right"? with all the mess of endianness, I have no idea <.<
19:42:18 <Fiora> I kinda just try both and see which works
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19:43:10 * Bike notes down: do not ask fiora what "palignr" is or does
19:43:37 <Fiora> palignr is just a way to take AAAAAAAA,BBBBBBBB and get AAAAAABB (for some number of Bs you want to shove into the As)
19:43:38 <Taneb> Bike, it aligns p's to the right
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19:43:50 <Bike> fiora, you're not helping your case here
19:44:20 <Taneb> Fiora, Bike's sayin you're awesome
19:44:42 <Bike> yes, i order you to be less competent
19:49:09 <Fiora> palignr is like, fun for things like FIR filters
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19:59:12 <olsner> do fir filters care about fun?
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20:05:16 <boily> olsner: yes, but it's a birch.
20:06:19 <Fiora> i am evergreen with envy over those puns
20:06:45 <Taneb> I'm pining for more
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20:10:54 <boily> glade to see other deranged minds punning with me, even if it's not oak-ay for this channel.
20:13:23 <olsner> if I had any non-bad puns I'd concedar joining you
20:13:24 <Taneb> I tried to right a pun, but I made an ash of it
20:14:39 * Gregor sets fire to the channel.
20:16:01 <Taneb> Why do ducks have flat feet?
20:16:11 <Taneb> To stamp out forest fires
20:16:15 <Taneb> Why do elephants have flat feet?
20:16:22 <Taneb> To stamp out burning ducks
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20:25:46 <Fiora> so apparently in order to see my own posts on my dash
20:25:49 <Fiora> I have to follow myself
20:25:54 <elliott> oh i preferred it when it was just weird
20:26:10 <Taneb> Fiora, yeah, I don't see PH's posts on Tumblr
20:27:11 <Bike> Fiora: you should probably anounce it on your main one
20:27:48 <Phantom_Hoover> "Cardinal Bergoglio has encouraged his clergy and laity to oppose both abortion and euthanasia.[11] He supports the use of contraception to prevent the spread of disease, meaning he is not a completely hidebound prude.[12]
20:28:32 <monqy> looks like someone has an opinion
20:28:34 <boily> brace yourselves, edit wars are coming.
20:28:42 <Bike> it's already locked
20:29:02 <olsner> does the new one also have a supervillain lookalike?
20:29:25 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Card._Jorge_Bergoglio_SJ,_2008.jpg iunno, he looks boring mostly
20:29:47 <elliott> haha is it protected with that on the page
20:30:04 <Bike> yes, yes it is.
20:30:10 <Bike> It has a cite though!
20:30:26 <elliott> no it's not i just checked
20:30:35 <Bike> it was when i looked at it four seconds ago :(
20:30:38 <Bike> now i'm on to the talk page
20:30:40 <Bike> «Include information pertaining to the Popes stance regarding SCIENTOLOGy's religious status (in Argentina).99.8.125.39 (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC)»
20:30:56 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: sorry, my brain is partially out of order today. I'm usually more impervious to memetification.
20:31:16 <Bike> «I have never posted on Wikipedia before and have no real plans to post later.. but i think the sentence "He is another homophobic bastard indeed." should probably be removed»
20:31:48 <Phantom_Hoover> i like how there have been a good few hundred edits to that page today
20:33:51 <elliott> https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/311922995633455104 i'm scared
20:34:16 <elliott> the idea of the vatican fucking tweeting in latin 100% seriously is the funniest thing
20:34:38 <Bike> dude the trends
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20:34:53 <Bike> "#HabemusPapam" "#PrimerasPalabrasDelPapa" "#LosArgentinosDominamosElMundo" "#ReplaceMovieTitlesWithPope"
20:35:16 <boily> tuit. he he he. I shouldn't be laughing, but I mean, tuit.
20:36:23 <Bike> unfortunately Bergoglio's personal twitter is just in Spanish
20:36:46 <Bike> he has retweeted somebody named "mitt romney" wearing a Scream mask, though
20:38:24 <monqy> sounds like someone hip with the culture of todayt
20:39:09 <Bike> https://twitter.com/cassin2851/status/232854175040552960
20:39:23 <Bike> bergoglio is the guy on the right in vestments
20:40:03 <monqy> that's not mitt romney, that's mitt rommey
20:40:20 <elliott> If I'm the new pope, children will love me more than the Santa Claus # Vatican
20:40:24 <Bike> republicano conservador adherente al tea party
20:41:15 <nooodl> "#LosArgentinosDominamosElMundo" :|
20:41:18 <monqy> this bergoglio guy sure is rewteet ing a lot of hip stuff, like this one guy he retweeted has as his avatar that picture of a cat with a thing on his head
20:41:34 <Bike> elliott: that would explain why a guy who's been accused of war crimes retweeted HIJOS
20:41:35 <monqy> im sure there are lots of fake accounts
20:41:37 <Bike> nooodl: inorite.
20:41:54 <monqy> ¿Y por qué #NoALosHomosexuales directamente? #NoALaAdopciónEntreHomosexuales
20:42:12 <monqy> Sólo la iglesia debe protejer a esos niños, abrazarlos, mimarlos, darles calor, darles amor, darles... eh eh #NoALaAdopciónEntreHomosexuales
20:42:21 <Bike> no, it's JMBergoglio
20:42:32 <monqy> pontifex deleted all their tweets and replaced them with latin
20:42:33 <elliott> i see this guy also retweeted a tweet with "fuck you" in it
20:42:42 <Bike> 'That Twitter Account for the New Pope Is Fake, Fake, Fake
20:42:45 <elliott> IM GETTING THE FEELING THIS ISNT ACTUALLY THE POPE GYUYAS
20:43:00 <nooodl> isn't available in latin...
20:43:14 <Bike> i am so disappointed
20:43:43 <Taneb> Looks like it ought to be Finnish
20:43:43 <nooodl> http://yle.fi/radio1/tiede/nuntii_latini/ is
20:43:49 <monqy> Q:which pope is the real pope???
20:43:59 <Bike> the real pope is peter two of spain
20:44:02 <elliott> turns out theres multiple popes
20:44:07 <elliott> each one thinks they've been elected
20:44:12 <elliott> each one thinks they're francis
20:44:13 <nooodl> congrats on your papacy, everyone
20:44:20 <Bike> "Proelium Stalingradense commemorabatur"
20:44:26 <Bike> is this "Stalingrad" in latin
20:44:48 <nooodl> "Stalingradens" is probably "from Stalingrad"
20:45:02 <Bike> Obama alterum quadriennium coepit
20:45:19 <Taneb> The battle of Stalingrad is commemorated?
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20:45:34 <Bike> probably, i mean two million people died
20:45:34 <boily> let's partake of a hot dog bun!
20:45:46 <Bike> it kind of sucked, speaking overall
20:45:59 <Taneb> Obama gains another term?
20:46:16 <nooodl> coepisse is "to begin"
20:46:31 <Taneb> I need to learn this
20:46:37 <elliott> Bike: would you say it was kind of a bummer. totally lame
20:46:47 <Taneb> Seriously, I've ended up doing A-level latin even though I suck at it
20:46:52 <nooodl> you're thinking, uh, capit?
20:47:06 <nooodl> no that's present, ugh
20:47:09 <Taneb> I think I was just thinking what makes sense
20:47:14 <Bike> elliott: yes i think most survivors would agree that it was, quote, "totally lame" and/or "sucktastic".
20:47:18 <elliott> Censorship? Micaela Lisola? Mary Elizabeth Censorship Larrauri not let you take the microphone to whom she wants!
20:47:24 <Taneb> Because I knew I didn't know coepit
20:48:31 <Bike> the latin tweet on @Pontifex disappeared...
20:49:01 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pope_Francis#It.27s_Francis_I_.E2.80.93_A_New_Pope anyway the important thing is whether he's I or not.
20:49:46 <elliott> Bike: pretty sure this is an elaborate setup to an ARG
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20:49:59 <Bike> "He was not born in India - FIX THAT"
20:50:02 <Fiora> wouldn't it be Francis IV - A New Pope?
20:50:04 <elliott> fake twitter accounts, mysterious uppercase latin tweet that's then deleted
20:50:08 <Bike> no shut up fiora
20:50:16 <elliott> fiora.......................
20:50:33 <Bike> elliott: jesus returns, catholicism turns out to be an elaborate role-playing game
20:50:41 <elliott> guys can we stop for a second and recognise that a papal ARG would be the best thing in the universe
20:50:49 <elliott> i had no idea how much i wanted this in my life until now
20:50:58 <Bike> alternate-reality game
20:50:59 <elliott> @google alternate reality game
20:51:01 <lambdabot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game
20:51:01 <lambdabot> Title: Alternate reality game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
20:51:11 <nooodl> elliott: that sounds very good
20:51:27 <nooodl> maybe it'd be a lot like a dan brown book though??
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20:51:48 <elliott> ok but face it being in a dan brown book would actually be awesome (unless you died)
20:51:52 <elliott> how can anything that stupid not be awesome
20:51:53 <monqy> elliott: are you still making a roguelike you could make a papal roguelike. you could you could.
20:52:01 <elliott> monqy: wow papal roguelike.......
20:52:04 <Bike> trivia: "angels and demons" is like the only novel i've ever stopped reading out of boredom
20:52:07 <elliott> EVERYTHING is better with more catholicism
20:52:19 <Bike> papal roguelike would work pretty well, i mean have you seen those catacombs?
20:52:25 <Bike> you haven't, because they're off-limits.
20:52:29 <elliott> i'm not gonna lie i loved the da vinci code film
20:52:32 <Bike> but not to the pope
20:52:41 <Taneb> Bike, Assassin's Creed II and Brotherhood?
20:52:49 <Bike> what is that, thath sounds dumb
20:52:50 <nooodl> i think i saw that film
20:53:01 <monqy> ive never seen any of these things
20:53:02 <Bike> i bet you hardly ever play as the pope
20:53:25 <nooodl> elliott: make "vagrant 3: papal vagrant"
20:53:33 <elliott> in the arg you'd have to literally travel to vatican city
20:54:25 <Bike> "Are you here on a pilgrimage?" "no, i'm just roleplaying"
20:54:27 <nooodl> and everyone there's in on the "game" and they know you're on a mission and they're like "welcome, sir"
20:55:15 <Bike> note: preceding statement was by a bad roleplayer
20:55:35 <elliott> it would just be very illegal tresspassing
20:55:39 <elliott> the budget doesn't cover that
20:55:48 <elliott> is it illegal to enter vatican city. can you enter vatican city i honestly don't know.
20:55:51 <elliott> what's a vatican, what's a pope
20:55:55 <nooodl> this just got extra intense
20:56:01 <Bike> well you need a passport
20:56:15 <nooodl> you need an illuminati passport
20:56:17 <Bike> but they have fucktons of tourists and pilgrims and probably roleplayers?
20:56:45 <Taneb> Bike, all trespassers
20:57:32 <elliott> Opposed - Keep as "Pope Francis". According to the Pope's official Twitter "HABEMUS PAPAM FRANCISCUM" no use of ordinal [8]. --Zimbabweed (talk) 19:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
20:57:34 <boily> I trespassed there twice. once for the great circle thing, after that for the museums.
20:57:42 <elliott> oh wow i just noticed their username
20:58:02 <elliott> i'm so glad we're all bonding over the new pope
20:58:07 <Bike> Being a musician as well, Francis also played the violin frequently for the natives, which helped them relate better to him. He is often depicted playing this instrument.
20:58:09 <elliott> is there even a single catholic here
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20:58:25 <monqy> my family is catholic does that count
20:58:42 <pikhq> It's "HABEMUS PAPAM FRANCISCUM" instead of "HABEMVS PAPAM FRANCISCVM"?
20:58:49 <elliott> whats it like to have a religious family thats such a weird idea to me
20:58:52 <Bike> i love all these people saying popes ALWAYS have an ordinal number
20:59:00 <elliott> do you have to go to church
20:59:01 <Bike> going off of three examples, one of which was over a thousand years ago
20:59:02 <pikhq> elliott: It's uncomfortable.
20:59:16 <monqy> nah i was able get my parents to stop making me go years ago
20:59:43 <elliott> i've been in a church like
20:59:50 <shachaf> monqy: do they make you go in the present instead now
21:00:05 <shachaf> monqy: btw if your parents are married that makes them not single catholics
21:00:08 <elliott> and i went to a church of england school
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21:00:26 <Bike> You call it the church of england? not anglicanism or something
21:00:41 <elliott> Bike: well they're "C of E schools" (you say see of ee)
21:00:49 <shachaf> monqy: are you disapproving
21:01:10 <elliott> Bike: i think anglicanism is like more broad??
21:01:11 <monqy> church of england but only for historical reasons
21:01:30 <Bike> church of england vs church of wales, fight
21:01:39 <nooodl> how christian i am: just baptized, really
21:02:17 <monqy> did your family bap you and stop caring
21:02:35 <elliott> i haven't been baptised unless i was and nobody ever told me and i forgot about it
21:02:44 <elliott> or maybe someone told me and i forgot about it? but i'm pretty sure i wasn't!!
21:02:44 <Bike> ohhhhh the last non-european pope was actually syrian
21:03:21 <elliott> monqy: well there was still like, a daily prayer thing in the school
21:03:30 <elliott> but that was like literally it
21:03:36 <Bike> i'm pretty sure going to a religious school makes you at least half a bishop.
21:04:01 <elliott> like aren't religious schools in america really religious or something
21:04:06 <shachaf> I guess they're full bishops and also rooks on top of that.
21:04:08 <pikhq> elliott: Generally, yes.
21:04:37 <pikhq> They are schools that straight-up indoctrinate in religion, rather than being schools that happen to be associated with a religiou organization.
21:04:38 <Bike> All i know about american catholic schools i learned from You Damn Kid so i'm going to go with yes
21:04:47 <pikhq> Non-Catholic religious schools more so.
21:04:53 <olsner> wasn't there some state that required a pledge to God and Country before allowing you to graduate from high school?
21:05:13 <Bike> it's standard to pledge to god and country every day anyway
21:05:19 <pikhq> olsner: Probably multiple, but such a thing is blatantly unconstitutional.
21:05:57 <monqy> i remember my family being upset that people didnt have to pledge to God in the pledge of allegiance in schools, or something like that. i dont understand my family.
21:06:24 * Bike had been assuming that monqy was some kind of non-american foreigner. what is this
21:06:50 <pikhq> My father thinks that gay people are pedophiles, and you become gay by being raped as a child.
21:07:00 <olsner> Bike: americans are all foreigners, hth
21:07:06 <Bike> my life is a lie.
21:07:23 <Taneb> Bike, that is, except for the Swedish ones
21:07:25 <monqy> i dont talk to my parents about things like that because i know it would be unproductive and upsetting
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21:19:10 <AnotherTest> the church is such an absolutist institute - I did not vote for a cardinal yet he does represent my vote
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21:29:17 <Bike> they get locked in and put on rations, their pain makes them good representatives
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21:30:04 <elliott> it would work better if they didn't get fed
21:31:15 <Bike> they did that the first time, a guy died.
21:31:29 <Bike> worked pretty well though yes
21:31:33 <elliott> please tell me that's true
21:31:48 <Bike> the papal conclave system got started because they'd gone three years without picking one
21:31:57 <Bike> so the magistrates were all "uuuugh fuck you guys" and locked them in
21:32:45 <Bike> and put them on bread and water (which is less than they do now, FUCKIN SOFTIES)
21:34:06 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_of_Segusio and this guy was taken out to die
21:40:44 <elliott> i didn't mean fed with bread and water
21:40:50 <elliott> i could live for months on bread and water
21:41:17 <Bike> Have you considered becoming a medieval French monarch? I think you've got what it takes.
21:41:19 <elliott> why does this not contain info about his death i want my money back
21:41:30 <elliott> Bike: um that would require me to become french
21:41:36 <elliott> which would destroy my soul and worse, make me french
21:41:54 <Bike> I mean you know the present queen of England is like, Dutch or something.
21:45:07 <elliott> that's way better than being french.
21:46:03 <Bike> yes the point is that all you have to do is fabricate some evidence that twelve thousand years ago your ancestor was the (spanish) queen of the gauls and you're golden
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21:49:27 <elliott> ok but also I'll have to rule over french people
21:50:03 <Bike> there presently isn't a french monarch so they probably wouldn't take you seriously
22:10:12 <elliott> Bike: the popes twitter got suspended rip
22:11:06 <Bike> where did you go wrong, franky
22:12:31 <Bike> probably tried to troll 4chan
22:13:08 <monqy> its pretty cute how each of the pontifex accounts follow each other
22:13:25 <elliott> do the other language ones have translations of the latin
22:13:30 <elliott> if so why doesnt the english account have a translation of the latin????
22:13:41 <elliott> "fuck you we're doing latin" ------ church
22:14:05 <Bike> mass sounds a lot better to me in latin, no lie
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22:21:00 <Vorpal> I'm somewhat confused why people seem to care so much about this. (Note by this I'm not saying it is completely unimportant, just that I'm wondering why a lot of non-catholics seems to care so /much/ about it...)
22:21:27 <monqy> just some silly ol pop culture to bond over
22:21:43 <monqy> like celebrities but in the real world
22:22:14 <Vorpal> well, I never got the point of celebrities either, so I guess that explains it
22:22:48 <monqy> i've only gotten celebrities by analogy with actually fascinating things like pope
22:23:16 <Fiora> Vorpal: he's a major political figure, kinda like that obama dude, I think
22:23:39 <Vorpal> Fiora, technically he commands the smallest country in the world, both by area and population.
22:23:59 <Fiora> catholicism has more 'citizens' than china ^^;
22:24:00 <monqy> a relatively minor major political figure
22:24:10 <Vorpal> Fiora, in that sense, true
22:25:07 <Bike> http://www.theonion.com/articles/focus-who-is,31657/ hth.
22:25:14 <Vorpal> Fiora, but he has no military to speak of
22:25:15 <elliott> is the weather nice in catholicism
22:25:46 <Bike> compared to the US hardly anybody has a military to speak of anyway, so that's no problem
22:26:10 <Vorpal> Well, China kind of does iirc
22:26:31 <Bike> they still spend like, half as much
22:27:22 <elliott> doesn't the us spend more than the rest of the world combined
22:27:46 <Bike> PLUS the pope's military wears cool hats
22:27:48 <Bike> i think they're good
22:28:09 <elliott> looks like china spends $143.0Bn
22:28:28 <Vorpal> Anyway, the pope commands a tiny country, and does not have much real political power on stuff that matters for non-catholics, possibly apart from the question of abortion in certain countries.
22:28:36 <elliott> so us spends 5x as much as china
22:28:53 <elliott> Vorpal: you realise that stuff catholics do affect non-catholics too right
22:29:03 <Fiora> the catholic church kind of has quite a lot of power in parts of the world other than america...
22:29:08 <Fiora> especially africa and south america
22:29:09 <elliott> and also more generally there are an awful lot of catholics so from a world politics pov what happens to them is relevant
22:29:24 <Fiora> and their policies kind of affect a billion people
22:30:12 <Vorpal> elliott, sure, but I'm questioning if the pope has much effect on (or even could have the potential to have) the question of, for example, EU agricultural politics.
22:30:16 <olsner> afaik I've met exactly one catholic
22:30:34 <elliott> well how is EU agricultural politics any more or less relevant to people in #esoteric than catholicism
22:30:42 <elliott> i guess it's more since a bunch of people are european here but still
22:30:46 <Fiora> like the catholic church's policy on condoms literally affects the future of an entire continent almost
22:31:20 <Vorpal> elliott, that was just an example. My point is that outside a few specific areas, what he says will have very little effect on non-catholics as far as I can tell
22:31:55 <elliott> a few specific huge areas???
22:31:58 <Sgeo> Except where governments with a lot of Catholic people may listen to the Pope and be swayed against things such as legalizing gay marriage
22:32:23 <Vorpal> elliott, really? I can only think of abortion and safe sex. What am I missing?
22:32:37 <Bike> do you know how many people AIDS kills dude
22:33:19 <Vorpal> I'm not denying they are important questions. But they are just two questions out of many.
22:33:24 <monqy> something about people being treated badly for something about homosexuality
22:33:35 <Vorpal> monqy, ah yes, good point, forgot that.
22:33:37 <monqy> human rights generally "a thing"
22:33:58 <Bike> well, i'm sure that that the cardinal referred to an argentinian civil marriage law as being the work of Satan won't affect anything
22:34:12 <Vorpal> monqy, Fairly significant area indeed, good point
22:34:23 <monqy> wasn't that elliott's point
22:34:33 <Vorpal> Bike, it won't affect the majority of the world no
22:34:36 <monqy> or uhh maybe someone before that
22:34:41 <Bike> you're charismatic enough that you can take others' points, monqy.
22:34:50 <Bike> take them and mold them into beautiful birds.
22:36:14 <Vorpal> Bike, perhaps it is because I live in an extremely secular country (Sweden) that this seems so foreign to me. But if some priests here proclaimed such a thing, sure it would cause a bit of discussion, but eh, in the end, who would care much.
22:37:18 <Vorpal> I consider the church over here a minority. A fairly vocal minority at times yes, but still a minority.
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22:44:22 <elliott> Vorpal: all i can parse out of your statement is "i do not notice when religion affects politics and daily life in my home country"
22:45:26 <elliott> 22:25:07 <Bike> http://www.theonion.com/articles/focus-who-is,31657/ hth.
22:45:31 <elliott> i didnt get around to looking at this tab until now but its good
22:45:33 <elliott> too bad bike left already!!!
22:49:21 <Phantom_Hoover> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Life_expectancy_in_some_Southern_African_countries_1958_to_2003.png
22:49:42 <FreeFull> Wow, why did it drop down like that
22:53:37 <nooodl> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin wow stay classy dutch wikipedia
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22:56:17 <Bike> did i miss anything remotely interesting
22:56:23 <elliott> 22:45:25 <elliott> 22:25:07 <Bike> http://www.theonion.com/articles/focus-who-is,31657/ hth.
22:56:26 <elliott> 22:45:31 <elliott> i didnt get around to looking at this tab until now but its good
22:56:29 <elliott> 22:45:33 <elliott> too bad bike left already!!!
22:56:35 <Bike> other than let's see *looks at logs* death
22:58:23 <Bike> always good to learn about death and shitty wikipediaa
22:59:18 <Bike> well, i can't read this language, but i assume the text goes downhill from using a caricature as his picture
22:59:46 <elliott> what i did was i pressed the translate button on my browser
22:59:48 <elliott> because i live in the future
23:00:22 <kmc> hehe wikipedipodes
23:01:43 <Phantom_Hoover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_My_Defens_God_Me_Defend
23:03:20 <elliott> http://www.theonion.com/articles/how-the-papal-conclave-selects-the-pope,31614/
23:04:05 <monqy> In my defence God me defend And bring my sawl to ane good end ane vertuous lyf procureth ane happie death...
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23:04:41 <elliott> scots is basically just english written by someone who hasn't quite gotten the hang of things but thinks themselves quite good anyway
23:04:45 <elliott> which also describes scots themselves
23:04:52 <monqy> In my defense God me defend and bring my saulle to ane guid end O Lord.
23:06:09 <Bike> the philosophy trick works when you don't know what the chinese for 'Philosophy' is?
23:06:44 <Phantom_Hoover> and also the page image is called 'the death of socrates'
23:08:52 <Bike> good deduction then
23:09:16 <Phantom_Hoover> however it doesn't have the short cycle that makes philosophy an obvious terminal point
23:10:09 <Phantom_Hoover> In fact I don't think it's terminal at all; I think human is.
23:10:30 <Bike> now can you find an article that's terminanl for all wikipediae
23:10:36 <Phantom_Hoover> Which then leads to a very roundabout loop through the biology articles.
23:15:33 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: have you realised that scots are ridiculous
23:15:45 <elliott> i mean you think you're a people but you're actually just fake english
23:16:14 <Bike> i have this weird urge to strangle you right now, i wonder if one of my ancestors was from scotsworld
23:16:41 <elliott> Bike: it is probably because i mentioned scots, they inspire murderous rage in us all
23:17:05 <Bike> i've never even seen braveheart
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23:22:21 <Bike> https://twitter.com/Non_Cunningham more papal news
23:22:45 <elliott> man i wish popes stopped being pope more often
23:22:56 <elliott> i could make a "sports night" out of this
23:23:07 <elliott> get everyone around to watch the vatican news intensely
23:23:19 <Bike> what do you think they do in st peter's square
23:23:25 <Bike> i bet they have a fucking jumbotron set up
23:23:36 <elliott> can we get sports commentators in the place where they elect the dudes
23:24:15 <Bike> it's super secret, they've thrown out reporters posing as maids and shit all the time
23:24:23 <Bike> they go over it with a bug detector
23:25:05 <nooodl> scots reminds me of old zzo
23:25:08 <Bike> i think attempting to get information out gets you automatically excommunicated, even if you're a cardinal
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23:25:16 <elliott> reporters posing as maids....................
23:25:19 <elliott> are you just making this shit up
23:25:46 <Bike> i don't think you understand why i follow this stuff, elliott
23:25:51 <Bike> it is because it is balls to the wall crazy
23:25:55 <Bike> there are dozens of balls on that wall
23:26:04 <nooodl> which wall are a we talking
23:26:38 <Jafet> They probably got found out when the see got around to doing whatever they do with the maids.
23:26:56 <elliott> Bike: is that why you follow #esoteric
23:27:02 <Bike> yes, i am referring to the servian walls
23:27:07 <Bike> elliott: finally someone gets it
23:27:23 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: ?? is this english
23:27:35 <Bike> destroyer of the nonce-sphere
23:27:45 <elliott> if you're not sure whether something is english or not it's probably scots
23:28:07 <Bike> digitox, the removable hard drive planet
23:28:23 <elliott> "Shut up you precious bellend"
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23:28:51 <Bike> elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_conclave#Expelling_the_outsiders but no, i'm quite serious
23:29:39 <Bike> they are very serious about their popes
23:29:40 <elliott> Cardinals who arrive after the conclave has begun are admitted nevertheless. An ill cardinal may leave the conclave and later be readmitted; a cardinal who leaves for any reason other than illness may not return to the conclave.[74]
23:29:50 <elliott> you're telling me they're allowed to leave for reasons other than illness????
23:29:56 <elliott> also shouldn't they just like have a hospital ward in the building
23:30:00 <elliott> they're not dedicated enough
23:30:34 <elliott> Only three cardinals electors are permitted to communicate with the outside world under grave circumstances, prior to approval of the College, to fulfil their duties: the Major Penitentiary, the Cardinal Vicar for the Diocese of Rome, and the Vicar General for the Vatican City State.[4]
23:30:36 <Bike> a hospital ward in the sistine chapel?
23:30:43 <elliott> i wonder what could possibly be grave enough to report to the outside world but not like
23:30:45 <Phantom_Hoover> <Bike> i think attempting to get information out gets you automatically excommunicated, even if you're a cardinal
23:31:12 <Bike> vatican architects must be quite creative
23:31:23 <Bike> i assume that they've made a deal with the mole people or something, there can't be room to build otherwise
23:31:41 <elliott> Before the conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI, the Sistine Chapel was "swept" using the latest electronic devices to detect any hidden "bugs" or surveillance devices (there were no reports that any were found, but in previous conclaves press reporters who had disguised themselves as conclave servants were discovered). Universi Dominici Gregis specifically prohibits media such as newspapers, the radio, and television.[75] Wi-Fi access is blocked
23:31:53 <Bike> cut off after "Wi-Fi access is blocked"
23:31:54 <elliott> i just completely love the catholic church's blend of existing in 2013
23:31:58 <elliott> and totally not even remotely existing in 2013 in the slightest
23:32:02 <elliott> Wi-Fi access is blocked in Vatican City and wireless signal jammers are deployed at the Sistine Chapel to prevent any form of electronic communications to or from the Cardinal electors.[76]
23:32:17 <elliott> like can you even imagine a cardinal using wifi
23:32:34 <Bike> did you know that one of the popes in the nineteenth century banned jews from going out after dark
23:32:55 <Phantom_Hoover> more news from xantiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xnznFzLek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2o4W4-ULjM
23:34:38 <Bike> the lower head. i can't handle this
23:34:53 <nooodl> wow i was reading the exact same paragraph elliott
23:35:36 <elliott> what a coinky-dink!!!!!!!!!
23:37:32 <elliott> Bike: this twitter is puzzling and i think i like it
23:38:09 <Bike> apparently it's a parody of some theologian but i don't think that's important
23:38:44 <Bike> i like how the prince is sub-lord utalax both times, phantom_hoover, it's nice to see some consistency in the news for once
23:38:48 <elliott> Bike: i was thinking it might be a really cool theologician who only posts on twitter sarcastically
23:39:05 <elliott> but then i was like: probably not
23:39:10 <elliott> then i briefly entertained the idea that they might be serious
23:39:12 <Phantom_Hoover> Bike, i'm not sure if supercommander dek lazer is the same in both though
23:39:46 <elliott> "Am I the JEFF GOLDBLUM of THEOLOGY??!???"
23:40:18 <elliott> "Fucking nihilist" "Fucking creationist" "Fucking anonymous atheist" "Fucking philosophers" "Really I just want to be the Alain de Bottom of American pseudo-intellectual evangelicalism. Is that too much to ask?"
23:41:04 <elliott> "Reminder: without the incarnation you CANNOT differentiate a Thai massage from MURDER-SEX."
23:41:39 <Bike> that reminds me, did you know that a person named Nimrod Meggido actually exists
23:41:40 <elliott> "In this article I argue that secularist care more about POLAR BEARS than UNBORN BABIES (I actually make this point)"
23:41:46 <Bike> Megiddo, sorry
23:41:55 <Bike> he's into game theory
23:42:50 <elliott> "grace makes you MORE of a GIRAFFE (i actually said this)"
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23:44:11 <Bike> "Finding out a theological mentor is gay is like finding out your lovers vagina is made of tesco value slices of ham"
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23:50:05 <kmc> better than horse meat
23:50:13 <kmc> am i right folks?
23:50:23 <kmc> because of all the horse meat that tesco recently sold
23:50:26 <Bike> Yes, I would rather eat human reproductive organs than horses.
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23:50:46 <kmc> is there something you know about 'value slices of ham' that i don't
23:51:20 <Bike> Are you a virgin? Then yes.
23:51:53 <Bike> Are you a third degree SexMaster yet?
23:52:33 <kmc> You too can become a Third Degree SexMaster™ for only $29.95
23:53:13 <kmc> sexentology
23:58:00 <Bike> hm, the same site has articles titled "WATCH: Halle Berry’s Cleavage Stole The Show Last Night On Leno" and "Pope Francis I Is No Fan Of Homosexuality, Abortion, Contraception, And Same-Sex Adoption"
23:58:20 <kmc> is it buzzfeed
23:58:40 <Bike> Mediaite, so probably yes? I don't know.
23:59:09 <Bike> oh nice, he called gay marriage "a real and dire anthropological throwback"
23:59:32 <Bike> thanks, american anthropological association, for giving me something to cite for this shit