< 1361059228 74392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC, Fedora includes it in their copy of bluez by default, in fact.) < 1361059262 453357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to mention that the Sixaxis Controller app does disable the normal Bluetooth as another negative thing about it, though. < 1361059974 270196 :friesk!~friesk@c-69-143-238-156.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361060180 638833 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1361061452 774520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know what limits are < 1361061467 219009 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you ask me that yesterday < 1361061476 414037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1361061481 34933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :im forgetful < 1361061483 734399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a functor < 1361061498 694352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're basically elliott right? < 1361061518 293956 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends < 1361061518 743943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elliott knows what limits are, which he didn't know yesterday < 1361061569 674528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm trying to figure out what pullbacks are in a poset category? < 1361061579 554332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know < 1361061579 760769 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1361061590 324517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure they exist if it's a lattice < 1361061603 104007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even just a semilattice.... < 1361061622 264030 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i say ok enough will you figure it out? if i silently replace myself with eliza will you notice < 1361061686 144760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1361061695 685395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually < 1361061713 76714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think monqy knows his limits < 1361061716 58247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he has none < 1361061751 874488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1361062149 554363 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361062168 975483 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, in the end I did go to that UV rave < 1361062210 684389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUV rave < 1361062215 114213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you dream about LC < 1361062222 654802 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1361062225 684251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC? < 1361062226 134178 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was too awake < 1361062232 23851 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus < 1361062238 4070 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dream about < 1361062244 464438 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1361062247 904383 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dreamt about < 1361062249 514390 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1361062254 766830 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dream < 1361062256 244651 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :154) catseye: Please wake up. Not recorded for this timezone. The big spider is not your dream \ 239) back to legal tender, that expression really makes me daydream. Like, there'd be black-market tender. Out-of-town hug shops where people exchange tenderness you've NEVER SEEN BEFORE. \ 249) Gregor, yeah, but P < 1361062264 994735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: its like brainfuck < 1361062311 574074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, was ian bell at the uv rave (this is all i know about uv raves) < 1361062321 345315 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andrew Bell was < 1361062325 64168 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that close enough < 1361062354 154494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1361062361 836116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultraviolent? < 1361062363 344512 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1361062364 354331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dangerous < 1361062369 174036 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULTRAVIOLENT RAVE < 1361062377 284943 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sink was destroyed < 1361062409 844168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ian bell breeds cats too < 1361062428 484692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the man is full of surprises < 1361062475 423870 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that man cannot do < 1361062495 694230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some things are impossible. < 1361062520 534260 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've drank alcohol. Everything is possible. < 1361062557 235870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to have a universe where thirteen is not a prime number? < 1361062571 189729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1361062591 724870 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Simplest way is to redefine 13 to equal, for example, what we call six < 1361062659 190649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if six is a prime number too < 1361062686 494377 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your universe sucks < 1361062756 879532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would posit that yours sucks more < 1361062772 894865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i would strengthen that claim and propose that it sucks a big bag of cocks < 1361062920 924292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can there be the universe that time goes only sideways? < 1361062933 204603 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O kmc had a hand in this.... http://blog.ezyang.com/2011/11/how-to-read-haskell/ < 1361062941 285151 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, have you read the Orthogonal series? < 1361062948 194476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1361062981 505245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i offered feedback < 1361062997 904190 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, time acts geometrically in the universe of that series, so instead of x^2+y^2+z^2-t^2 = umimnotsureithinkaconstnat, it's x^2+y^2+z^2+t^2 < 1361063031 974330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's =s^2 < 1361063057 614906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also er that pretty much automatically implies causality violation < 1361063090 365624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s is proper time, i.e. time as observed by whatever's moving) < 1361063125 430050 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's no speed limit, some characters are trying to reach infinite velocity as determined by their home world < 1361063137 134458 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^some spoilers < 1361063152 974379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think causality is a fundamental rule of the universe, though. < 1361063158 894303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... pretty sure what you're describing is just s^2 = t^2 < 1361063185 279101 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like really dorky sci-fi, anyway. < 1361063188 114705 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time in the Orthogonal series's universe is not fundamentally a distinct direction from space < 1361063203 224993 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the author has all these... charts. I am not joking < 1361063216 851442 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stops the narrative to have characters either learn or explain the science they're discovering < 1361063226 684851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sounds great < 1361063227 544585 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you read this of your own volition. < 1361063242 684464 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the first book of the series, going to buy the second soon < 1361063251 804474 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a trilogy, but third book isn't out yet) < 1361063267 384567 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit to skimming over the science stuff a bit < 1361063270 304785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: dont tell me you dont enjoy super dorky super hard scifi < 1361063274 824709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone does whether they admit it or not < 1361063279 346413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's not super dorky super hard scifi < 1361063284 144254 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I understood it at a glance < 1361063284 444147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was more a general statement < 1361063285 45054 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1361063286 4412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's lazy scifi < 1361063288 895861 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do, but it doesn't usually go as far as charts. < 1361063289 454528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i in fact barely looked at what sgeo said < 1361063297 724970 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay, so I did like Expedition. < 1361063306 498232 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, uh. lazy? < 1361063320 674465 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/ORTHOGONAL/00/PM.html < 1361063331 964644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here are a bunch of cool concepts, i will make the most cursory attempt to attach them to the narrative" < 1361063338 865125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's greg egan? < 1361063344 194614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going out on a limb and saying it's probably not lazy < 1361063346 284290 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha of course it's Egan < 1361063364 624559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should actually read anything hes written beyond like the two short stories i have < 1361063368 77965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have me some charts < 1361063382 516260 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read The Clockwork Rocket < 1361063384 424456 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Schild's Ladder, though it probably warped my psyche some since I was like twelve. < 1361063431 335520 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e11c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361063453 994617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Interstellar voyages taking longer for the travellers than for everyone else might just sound annoying" < 1361063469 825759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dammit, I can't use this universe. it's just... annoying" < 1361063494 845141 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tallcomics.com/?id=17 anyway this is my favorite sci-fi < 1361063496 344841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WONTFIX < 1361063501 634669 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind if I ROT13 some spoilers? < 1361063545 344447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROT26 it to be on the safe side. < 1361063568 394681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont rot13 stuff in #esoteric < 1361063571 44453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want me to read it < 1361063608 84924 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how much do you want to avoid spoilers for The Clockwork Rocket? < 1361063619 884616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROT(infinity) it if you know how. < 1361063627 249271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk is it a good book < 1361063629 975143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==zzo38 < 1361063633 274528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my caring is directly related to how good it is < 1361063637 594714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote zzo38 | shuf < 1361063640 955110 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :263) Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience? What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent? \ 328) Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose. \ 439) elliott_: < 1361063642 85665 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I kind of liked it, but I'm a bad judge < 1361063666 14930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38_ebooks < 1361063668 514900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you ever use the want of electric lightning? < 1361063681 646786 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to paste the spoiler < 1361063684 245033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I would follow that on Twitter! < 1361063687 734804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo38 < 1361063692 934807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No < 1361063700 670626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: s/want/wand/ < 1361063712 290296 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3415 < 1361063716 86237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same answer < 1361063774 884637 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Sgeo < 1361063781 695044 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21081 < 1361063803 764820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1361063806 226729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant. < 1361063809 404648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes zzo38 < 1361063814 454730 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24833 < 1361063832 845022 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Sgep < 1361063839 414647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2696 < 1361063841 225770 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs `pastelogs < 1361063842 666351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make another kind of pastelogs command which allow to specify start date/time? < 1361063853 384530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you on the moon? < 1361063863 844994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I am still on the Earth. < 1361063872 294680 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1361063909 924539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 467 < 1361063911 794500 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :467) well, you have bested me itidus20: Yes. < 1361063931 564561 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god my first conversation in here was about stuff related to PSOX? < 1361063942 536236 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1361063953 364957 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go tell Bike about PSOX < 1361063966 974996 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you said POSIX. < 1361063971 826473 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "beerkills" < 1361063972 965148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat < 1361063974 694502 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two < 1361063976 985389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr that the first time i came in here i left about half an hour later because elliott yelled at me for spamming up the channel with HackEgo < 1361063983 964970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god WHAT HAVE I BECOME < 1361063988 65811 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first conversation was being asked what my business was in here. thanks elliott < 1361063998 124538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i still don't know what your business here is < 1361064003 414728 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time I came in here was the first time that I came in here. < 1361064006 105107 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I was a very anti-alcohol person < 1361064009 522150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait monqy is here for business? < 1361064014 304890 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: lol. < 1361064018 354704 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :677 is a CAD quote, I'm sure < 1361064019 446696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought it was pleasure........ < 1361064038 715245 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I'm sure it's a quote from something < 1361064040 764894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what is your business here < 1361064061 445973 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I need sleep < 1361064093 333980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 860 < 1361064094 804994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) i would subscribe to @zzo38_ebooks kmc: I have no ebooks which can subscribe to < 1361064095 255494 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 677 < 1361064096 974774 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :677) When you die in Canada, you die in real life. < 1361064113 254875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 677 should be deleted < 1361064115 904802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats an xkcd reference < 1361064119 587463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stays because zzo38 said it < 1361064128 266785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 said a lot of things < 1361064134 144632 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-10-31.txt:23:58:29: And now, for an interpretive piece I like to call "Sgep" < 1361064134 350961 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-10-31.txt:23:58:33: Hi! < 1361064134 351148 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-10-31.txt:23:58:39: brb < 1361064134 351261 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-10-31.txt:23:58:47: Back. < 1361064134 351388 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-10-31.txt:23:58:57: Got to go, see you later. < 1361064136 235461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't addquote every single thing zzo38 says < 1361064137 284851 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-10-31.txt:23:59:02: * Sgep has left freenode () < 1361064145 476053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it is xkcd? I read it elsewhere < 1361064158 285128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least xkcd did it once < 1361064163 914746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that was a reference but if it is i don't know what it was referencing < 1361064168 484792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Correct; that would make the quotation file too large; there are logs for that. < 1361064192 45454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/180/ < 1361064201 695703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess its a matrix reference < 1361064207 684910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I don't want deleting from the quotation file (whether it is mine or elsewise) (other than ones just written in error and should be deleted due to that); one thing it mess up the numbering but there are other problem too < 1361064207 932523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the matrix isn't canada (afaik) < 1361064211 965192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In CAD, Ethan did go to Canada at one point < 1361064220 584922 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he die in canada < 1361064226 894713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb why do you know things about cad < 1361064227 465179 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe so < 1361064236 285178 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have a dark and shady past < 1361064244 355360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1361064253 895334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can learn quite a lot about cad just from reading people mocking it < 1361064265 695518 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know things about cad for the reason Phantom_Hoover notes < 1361064265 995382 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read quite a bit of CAD < 1361064278 246930 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also watched the cad cartoons because they're awful < 1361064279 864737 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up until the robot guy went on a quest to find something < 1361064281 867368 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will I learn things from watching people talk about learning about it from reading mockeries? < 1361064285 209098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebs knowledged seemed a bit `first hand' < 1361064286 15088 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A soul I think < 1361064288 4835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry Taneb we all did dumb things in our past < 1361064288 425717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knowledghdehek < 1361064295 945025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance elliott started programming with php < 1361064297 232243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you ever make a bf derivative < 1361064307 55258 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im happy to have never read cad < 1361064308 305227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not strictly true i started programming by copying basic programs from a book into a computer (badly) < 1361064310 795965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but i wrote a godawful interpreter once < 1361064318 874600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i forgot about programming until i was 8 < 1361064321 415389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then came the php < 1361064329 15229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You add quote if, that is what you like it particularly enough to add. It is no point adding everything which result in being the same as the full logs; read the full log instead if you want! < 1361064342 45309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :life tip: don't start programming in php at 8 yrs of age < 1361064362 55073 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start in Visual Basic at 12 < 1361064365 544990 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked for me < 1361064366 992393 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm) < 1361064380 867382 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's actually trademarked... < 1361064410 437148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found visual basic too complicated < 1361064410 988718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started with pascal < 1361064417 525284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts as child abuse right < 1361064423 494869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do not think such things really are such problem. Sure it may not be very good programming languages, but, you can write a good program, regardless what one, and then learn other programming languages maybe is you liked better < 1361064454 595130 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It Worked For Me: Life Lessons from Colin Powell" < 1361064483 365189 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I continue to blame my inability to write GUIs on having learned Visual Basic when I was young? < 1361064488 554691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: when did you / what language did you start programming with < 1361064505 286502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with php < 1361064510 84944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, apparently colin powell's name is pronounced 'cohlan' < 1361064514 854813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid, why does he do that < 1361064520 424925 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's an acronym < 1361064538 511484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it stand for PHP: hi Phantom_Hoover < 1361064544 245257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He doesn't want to be confused by other people having the same name, maybe < 1361064603 604861 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my life would have taken a different path if I never shattered that ActiveX for Dummies CD when I was a kid... < 1361064618 355353 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by accident) < 1361064619 975043 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the details are kind of muddy but sometime around 8 with some combination of logo, calculator basic, and flowcharts (which were used to program the microcontrollers) < 1361064648 526228 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I have grown up to be a Windows lover, relied on IDEs for those... ID things that ActiveX uses? < 1361064659 515040 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also some other things like uhhhh < 1361064661 575196 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I be a better programmer because of more practice, even with horrible tools? < 1361064662 254952 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other things < 1361064674 825134 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a really boring alternate history i must say < 1361064709 135023 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodnight < 1361064729 460837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the IDEs = horrible tools implication < 1361064740 926098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure whatever was included with ActiveX for Dummies was horrible though < 1361064749 595574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ActiveX is < 1361064763 985653 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By horrible tools I meant VBScript. And reliance on a language+environment where I needed the IDE in order to give me opaque blobs of information that need to go in the code < 1361064790 764996 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The CLSID thing I think) < 1361065101 306267 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361065174 245261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, this web page uses VRML < 1361065264 25173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a blast from the past < 1361065304 86540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.j-paine.org/scratch/wc_2013_2_17_1_37_5_368.html < 1361065309 66476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't actually "use" it. < 1361065313 256267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it generates VRML files? < 1361065317 405930 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1361065322 165206 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :VRML is awesomesauce < 1361065359 665624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember a site that had a VRML model of a wienerschnitzel < 1361065374 365895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you clicked it would disappear and a voice would say "mmmm yummy schnitzel" < 1361065388 726214 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1361065393 838891 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's the etymology of miuaf btw? < 1361065463 205656 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361065520 125378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :initials of the name of my blog < 1361065523 547900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bad at naming things < 1361065542 135686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin retweeted me, now a bunch of iPhone jailbreaking enthusiasts can see my halfbaked remarks :) < 1361065547 345737 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1361065575 345282 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to get one of the real jailbreakers to retweet you < 1361065577 846344 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get way more < 1361065584 746229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them iphone jailbreaking people must be baffled by their celebrities' quirks < 1361065588 906290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that haskell guy" "that nomic guy" < 1361065590 425479 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of them have more than 400k followers < 1361065592 486205 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is crazy < 1361065594 29240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin retweeted me once < 1361065599 576619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: ps hi < 1361065604 555453 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1361065605 305335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even tweet anything. :-( < 1361065611 425442 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex is small fish compared to pod2g and MuscleNerd < 1361065612 175476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't stop copumpkin. < 1361065617 575872 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes his head at comex < 1361065625 855278 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :a measly 200k < 1361065641 36211 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: muahahha < 1361065677 455513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's saurik's quirk < 1361065810 962041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately we have exhausted the space of iphone jailbreaky people i know < 1361065818 505559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you will just have to wonder < 1361065819 515391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1361065822 586113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you can handle it < 1361065848 247753 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :saurik's pretty big < 1361065853 956356 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not as big as the other two < 1361065861 995600 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking celebrities < 1361065898 235586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of either of them. < 1361065902 775509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of copumpkin, though! < 1361065932 285724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is the celebrity of our hearts & that's all that matters < 1361066011 905836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: So Haskell doesn't have pullbacks? < 1361066017 726220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Agda have them? < 1361066041 905467 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1361066065 255831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep to both? < 1361066105 446828 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mentioned VRML and I wasn't paying attention? < 1361066107 466416 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sads < 1361066108 875661 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, haskell doesn't have pullbacks and agda does < 1361066110 225698 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, pullbacks? < 1361066132 845813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that makes sense. < 1361066142 135885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you need a type that expresses things like f(a)=g(b) < 1361066146 705929 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1361066152 566207 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a pullback? < 1361066154 212806 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1361066155 366055 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sort of do it at the type level < 1361066172 486255 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't really count < 1361066178 96237 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it's sort of like a fancier product < 1361066181 315696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're right, we should abandon Haskell for all the category things. < 1361066185 827205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have pullbacks. :-( < 1361066197 875631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it's the limit of the diagram X -> Z <- Y < 1361066209 960594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't have equalizers either. < 1361066213 616186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..that means nothing to me :( < 1361066226 156461 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me product means tuple < 1361066230 766037 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the one < 1361066235 215723 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and no, it doesn't < 1361066245 236605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: fail < 1361066249 885965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Don't worry, elliott is just trying to be intimidating. < 1361066253 792092 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: do you know SQL joins? < 1361066260 548320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: 24 hours ago he didn't know what limits were either! < 1361066276 514056 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are the most "down-to-earth" notion of pullbacks in common usage < 1361066282 235531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I know what a limit is, just not what a diagram is. < 1361066293 125552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: It's a different sort of limit. < 1361066298 817068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably a different kind of limit to the kind you're thinking of < 1361066299 23459 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured < 1361066306 685967 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not the limit you are looking for < 1361066312 15748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully http://flockdraw.com/upload/8kr07f6lb00s44k80c4.png will make things clearer! < 1361066326 206780 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: beautiful < 1361066326 483161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't.) < 1361066349 956211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imo show the other one that has my drawing talent too < 1361066354 885712 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who drew that? < 1361066356 249317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which other one? < 1361066364 435452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Me, except for the black part. < 1361066365 695687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one < 1361066367 17181 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bore < 1361066388 758271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://flockdraw.com/upload/11rq0ta2ee1c8cog8c.png that one < 1361066400 16099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure. < 1361066410 765882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a product expressed as a limit. < 1361066437 465900 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there, 24k iphone fanboys saw your artwork < 1361066443 186162 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not < 1361066459 545942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1361066462 424493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: wow I feel discriminated against < 1361066467 426018 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1361066476 556497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my work is being unfairly overlooked!! < 1361066486 875925 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't on twitter! or are you? < 1361066489 757211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true < 1361066495 805969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do draw bad diagrams with shachaf < 1361066507 395754 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1361066508 565746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1361066509 505816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok he gets all the credit < 1361066520 645980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is but the place I am in < 1361066522 345551 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, or not < 1361066535 877490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like how you can't tell the V is a V < 1361066542 806127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the H is a H < 1361066549 396307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As opposed to a U? < 1361066551 546565 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :False alarm. Or maybe Hussie changed something < 1361066558 706177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually supposed to be U < 1361066600 206364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darin Morrison (@darinmorrison) is now following you on Twitter! < 1361066628 959398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're paying copumpkin for these valuable followers < 1361066641 636129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin should pay me for making my email notification thing beep. < 1361066778 296537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the explanation worked. < 1361066987 435988 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist for real < 1361066988 786331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1361067158 567821 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1361067168 495877 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :professional < 1361067173 155884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it an s list? < 1361067217 837018 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becaue the `list is mysterious and fickle. < 1361067287 406268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s is for stupid < 1361067403 416298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist? < 1361067417 296169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like the homestuck list but... < 1361067417 502446 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s is for stupid < 1361067421 786491 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it is < 1361067427 636064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1361067434 417548 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ tswett < 1361067437 346041 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you fool! < 1361067441 536404 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1361067442 926210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/list < 1361067447 886184 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ tswett Phantom_Hoover < 1361067448 786966 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know not what you oh there it goes then. < 1361067449 536380 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1361067461 367588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1361067464 196810 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1361067480 766388 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone can do something that blocks shachaf from being added? < 1361067487 716876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good to me. < 1361067496 236944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe shachaf can stop doing rm bin/list all the time < 1361067500 506199 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should shachaf get special treatment < 1361067501 827456 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or shachaf could just not run it? < 1361067506 776867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I've never run it. < 1361067519 85568 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was rather rude for you to be put on the list then. < 1361067524 204487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1361067525 356180 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i want to be special too < 1361067534 15622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you're already maximally special < 1361067534 306643 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just find that person and eat them. < 1361067537 361086 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved. < 1361067537 567382 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/ shachaf// bin/list < 1361067539 156306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 2: unterminated `s' command < 1361067547 616387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw did that diagram clear things up < 1361067548 816274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is on the list according to the bin/list program < 1361067550 436546 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how to sed < 1361067554 476244 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: clear what up < 1361067556 456541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by his own deliberate act < 1361067564 476242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I think this is a matter of not knowing how to bash. < 1361067568 106221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -ie "s/ shachaf//" bin/list < 1361067571 618853 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1361067574 282949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, Phantom_Hoover < 1361067579 696211 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1361067582 864030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ tswett Phantom_Hoover < 1361067592 876601 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um im upset shachaf isnt on the list < 1361067599 26389 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i whine enough can shachaf get put back on it < 1361067605 587297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy < 1361067610 156407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're "too mature to whine" < 1361067613 986578 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/list < 1361067614 366589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo `revert < 1361067614 572985 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert `revert < 1361067615 366946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at me go < 1361067616 267200 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're hypothetically very rude, Monqy. < 1361067617 16102 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1361067618 6628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: unknown revision '`revert'! < 1361067627 886369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1361067629 306518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1361067629 716469 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1361067632 656587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ tswett Phantom_Hoover < 1361067658 366754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe presentation slides need to exist in two versions < 1361067666 16784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version with all the internet meme shit to keep the audience's attention < 1361067672 366810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the version you post online with just the content < 1361067683 136653 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about presentation slides just dont contain the internet meme shit at all < 1361067684 706330 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I thought you were going to say and the version with cuttlefish. < 1361067686 56279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 2154 < 1361067687 996333 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1361067690 586772 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when that stuff happens < 1361067698 26872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i can't pay attention for more than 3 seconds without an advice animal of some kind < 1361067711 366609 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an advice cuttlefish? < 1361067724 426240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/list < 1361067725 546745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ oldpwd=`pwd`; cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric; name=$(cat $(ls ????-??-??.txt | tail -1) | tail -1 | sed "s/[^<]*.*//; s/.*\* //; s/ .*//"); cd $oldpwd; fgrep -q "$name" bin/list || echo -n "$name " >> bin/list; echo cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ tswett Phantom_Hoover < 1361067730 177805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Please stop being annoying. < 1361067734 186411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1361067736 146076 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1361067738 966477 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you stop first < 1361067743 454747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1361067745 517068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1361067751 506043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you start doing your edits with less than a sledgehammer < 1361067761 256350 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible that this channel exists for people to irritate each other over pointless things for no reason? < 1361067762 157009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you people either stop bickering or fill me in on the juicy details < 1361067774 856742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of ridiculous that you just wipe out files because of a tantrum < 1361067782 466505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1361067788 486414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't elliott or monqy delete bin/list too < 1361067794 801830 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there's a running joke where shachaf whines about this < 1361067796 209225 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy did as a joke < 1361067802 36332 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pbhkr/ I suspect this is dumb. < 1361067807 736421 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sides with shachaf on this < 1361067826 966188 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no sides. We are he as she is he and we are all together. < 1361067828 876666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the lines were drawn for the Shachaf War < 1361067842 369061 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I say "she" I mean noone. < 1361067893 916522 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the cuttlefish I'm seeing on this meme site (why is there such a thing?) are very funny, but they are cute. < 1361067980 647387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish? why? < 1361067999 786200 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're cute. And at the head of the list. < 1361068057 506770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like humanity should set cuttlefish up as our inheritors somehow < 1361068076 136728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with, idk, strategically-placed caches of cuttlefish-applicable technology < 1361068133 944137 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd probably have to have significantly evolved morphology to use technology... < 1361068140 637110 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, are Haskell records ever going to be fixed? < 1361068153 27006 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. you can only fix functions < 1361068244 516525 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1361068254 556395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://lens.github.com/ < 1361068280 616698 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to watch video < 1361068293 178818 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it's long < 1361068293 926782 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1361068295 986489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, er that's why i said 'cuttlefish-applicable' < 1361068320 577340 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we'd have to guess at what morphology they'd have in order to operate anything we gave them. < 1361068325 677217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that long < 1361068327 327359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i lolled < 1361068339 657546 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are important considerations kmc. < 1361068348 547800 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll read the tutorial instead < 1361068371 207371 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building something that could continue being usable milllions of years from now is also probably near impossible. < 1361068394 768135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel that designing technology for present cuttlefish is a task only the blinkeredly myopic would call 'impossible' < 1361068444 806398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't we just evolve into cuttlefish < 1361068450 837038 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good word. < 1361068467 867255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1361068471 886466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it "we" < 1361068474 357318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no! we'd have to displace the cuttlefish then < 1361068488 876773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't be fair unless we let them have something in return < 1361068519 406494 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blinkeredly. < 1361068553 147696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I wouldn't call it 'impossible' but it might be difficult. < 1361068752 959970 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I'm saying is cuttlefish are notoriously handfree. < 1361068783 506669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People sometimes use handsfree telephones too, though. < 1361068799 107296 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does everyone like cuttlefish so much? < 1361068829 607933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes, an important challenge is overcoming handocentric human design < 1361068829 852559 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're cute, intelligent, and have interesting camouflage behavior, probably. < 1361068847 997296 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another good word. < 1361068864 916820 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"manocentric" says my internal ignorant pedant, though. < 1361068886 937996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"manocentric" just sounds like a really silly term for sexism < 1361068906 486742 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1361068914 105737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be virocentric < 1361068925 867256 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, along with "centric" and "mano-" probably being from different languages, is why my internal pedant is such a dummy. < 1361068932 887325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds like a criticism of < 1361068938 317379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1361068945 457566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :viros < 1361068960 387129 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't perceive color, but do perceive polarization. That might have interesting implications. < 1361068988 107230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d movies are right out < 1361069013 213404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lcds are much easier though < 1361069020 444940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish can't perceive color? < 1361069021 778361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a wire-crossing in the plane with three xors right? is there a small wire-crossing circuit that does not use xor? (by small i mean less than 10 gates) < 1361069039 846748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their camoflauge is color-sensitive isn't it < 1361069054 706826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that want to eat cuttlefish can, i guess < 1361069059 588088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure i know how we're deciding what they perceive < 1361069072 997170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but then how do they know what colour to become < 1361069080 347889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be done using glasses which have a picture for each eye you can then make them not only separate colors but also separate polarization, and so on, just so you know < 1361069086 977566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well you can pick apart the eye itself i guess < 1361069089 107196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: By instinct, I guess? < 1361069098 417715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The statement about color blindness is due to a study in 'Sepia officinalis' that found no difference in camouflage in response to differences in color (see this paper). I think there are a number of holes that could be poked in the conclusions of that study, and it was only conducted on one species, so I think the statement that they are colorblind is rather premature.' < 1361069100 357472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: help < 1361069126 640916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway they are smart enough to learn simple directional cues from their environment < 1361069130 306770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hermes.mbl.edu/mrc/hanlon/pdfs/mathger_et_al_visres_2006.pdf < 1361069140 840129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cuold test whether they can perceive color in a behavioral sense < 1361069164 567297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Help with what? < 1361069182 337097 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, can they be clasically conditioned? The usual protocol for pigeons involves colored lights < 1361069184 667496 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the question i asked above < 1361069188 37187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently they don't know what colour they're camoflaging themselves as < 1361069189 87007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1361069191 127078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just sort of guess < 1361069203 128599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says they have only one type of light receptor < 1361069207 56822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess that's pretty definitive < 1361069212 58145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They reported that cuttleï¬sh < 1361069212 264403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :produced a bold coarse mottled pattern when placed < 1361069212 264589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on red and white gravel, presumably in an attempt to < 1361069212 264719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘‘match’’ the coarse patterning of the gravel, whereas < 1361069212 264829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the animals showed an overall uniform pattern on < 1361069213 67046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue and yellow gravel," < 1361069273 697513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are even pictures of it on page 1750 < 1361069278 16862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how carefully did they establish that the two patterns were lightness equivalent to a cuttlefish < 1361069290 216923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have "fi" ligatures < 1361069298 497121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck i've been thinking about human colorspaces all day and i can't even begin to fit cuttlefish into that picture < 1361069301 817437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know the answer < 1361069355 207143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well they demonstrated that it used the same patterns for blue and yellow squares, uniform blue and uniform yellow < 1361069372 857156 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do we even know much about nonhuman colorspaces? Like in something easier than cuttlefish, like vertebrates. < 1361069374 927468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a different one for contrasting squares < 1361069395 867628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1361069447 817783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm assuming someone's calculated colour spaces for the colourblind at some point so you can probably work it out for some mammals < 1361069469 827640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says dogs have dichromatic color vision similar to deuteranopia in humans < 1361069547 29000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dogs have a temporal resolution of between 60 and 70 Hz, which explains why many dogs struggle to watch television" < 1361069582 417762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs struggling to watch television is an immensely entertaining concept for some reason < 1361069587 347103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1361069588 497199 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah apparently a lot of animal experiments involve specially calibrated TVs < 1361069594 187101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is my new favorite sentence on wikipedia < 1361069628 329531 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the previous one? < 1361069644 187373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hagfish are usually not eaten owing to their repugnant looks, as well as their viscosity and unpleasant habits." < 1361069676 197713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty That's a sentence good. < 1361069677 437556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "Fukutsuru died in 2005, but his frozen sperm lived on for people’s benefit;" < 1361069685 655041 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a clause. < 1361069690 797022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty solid [pun intended] < 1361069853 97548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Due to the lack of required fare, the Staten Island Railway system is popular among destitute vagrants and heroin addicts." < 1361069862 707321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only funny because it was the caption on a totally normal photo of a SIR train < 1361069883 128089 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems kind of weird, what was the article about, SIR? < 1361069899 147349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the file description on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SIR_448_at_Great_Kills_Station.jpg < 1361069906 648344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically just vandalism though < 1361069917 27816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a true enough statement but not descriptive of the photo < 1361069919 907105 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1361069936 367083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagfish are one of those weird not-quite-vertebrates < 1361069953 138371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They are the only known living animals that have a skull but not a vertebral column." < 1361069972 537424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they do incredible slimy tricks < 1361069989 31614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPvMMkQkk0 < 1361070014 978791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there known undead animals with skulls but not vertebral columns < 1361070029 257592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The hagfish is kept alive and irritated by rattling its container with a stick, prompting it to produce slime in large quantities. This slime is used in a similar manner as egg whites in various forms of cookery in the region." < 1361070030 758531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :korea... < 1361070056 69993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :produces a huge volume of slime, suffocating its enemies, then ties its body into a knot and pulls itself through the knot to clean the slime off itself < 1361070244 277810 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't look up bile bears sometime. < 1361070311 702071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bears are cute! so eating their bodily fluids isn't as weird < 1361070501 877533 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you were referring to the methods. < 1361070575 527643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not especially outraged at people irritating a hagfish, no < 1361070774 270199 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1361070818 948565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361070989 448526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1361071541 198597 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1361071547 8145 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361072836 959224 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e11c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a special gift for you to make.. and i guess it is finally ready for it's first flight! an inertia-driven assembly of heartbreaking-space-pilot-adventure music i have collected over the years..please tell me if you feel sth is still missin in this great list..and enjoy hab4rds zauberschatzliste(tm) < 1361072839 908696 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e11c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> http://www.youtube.com/user/zauberschatzkiste < 1361072843 388478 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e11c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3e < 1361072928 708752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's with the notation for a pullback? < 1361073303 428799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :A x_C B < 1361073312 139859 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one? < 1361073314 374717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1361073319 48993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it mention f and g? < 1361073320 383636 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what I was saying before < 1361073325 839329 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it as a fancier product < 1361073349 728876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but f and g matter. < 1361073353 398740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are they? < 1361073361 488974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was complaining about this yesterday. < 1361073393 339059 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they matter < 1361073398 380115 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything needs to exist in the "type" though < 1361073421 415909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then where does it exist? < 1361073423 739187 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :record Pullback (A B C : Set) : Set where field f : A -> C; g : B -> C < 1361073431 609672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the UHDTV green primary is very close to a 532 nm green laser < 1361073438 238939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ITU rec. 2020) < 1361073459 879774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :resolution up to 7680 Ă— 4320, framerate up to 120 fps < 1361074840 359642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they need limits? < 1361075112 950978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you are designing equipment or software it's good to know what it will be expected to do < 1361075129 659526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :consumers won't want to buy a "UHDTV" only to find out that all the stations broadcast in incompatible modes < 1361075201 869774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is an expert in ultra-high things < 1361075298 391146 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361075306 860770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that is true, that the equipment and station should specify what limit to use, but the protocol should not be limited in that way, and only limited in the cases of the two devices in this way that they should be *explicitly labeled* by what resolution/framerate is supported! I think that is better than just saying "UHDTV is up to" this and that. < 1361075325 970033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :highchaf < 1361075392 739585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :trippingan < 1361075401 434856 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361075703 510131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually this is first time which I use __attribute__((constructor)) and in this case it is useful < 1361075723 71315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :__attribute__((hi monqy)) < 1361075746 500209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destructor does not seem as useful, but maybe in some case it is but I didn't know what it is. < 1361075785 680013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1361075793 949754 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hi monqy a running joke or something? < 1361075849 190139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What does it do? < 1361075884 357002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What does what do, the __attribute__((constructor)) command in C? < 1361075889 650059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you meant? < 1361075895 789140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant ((destructor)), but sure. < 1361075902 421461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By C I guess you mean GCCC. < 1361075911 740015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I mean GCC < 1361075931 71081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructor means the function is called when the program started, destructor is done in the opposite order when the program stopped. < 1361075956 360162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used it for a return-to-libdl attack once < 1361075956 720198 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think most of this channel is running jokes. < 1361075996 510221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using __attribute__((constructor)) to allow all of the modules that are compiled in to be identified to the main program. < 1361076091 189752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function can be declared static but it still requires a name. < 1361076188 460476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do destructors of dlopen'd things get called when main returns? what about on exit()? < 1361076205 711091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know. < 1361076482 470438 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely remembers a suggestion that main in Haskell should be required to have a type of IO a, I think < 1361076496 100045 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That either it infinitely loops or explicitly quits < 1361076503 180377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :main :: Fix IO < 1361076512 513620 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if the type to enforce that is IO a, or something similar < 1361076533 320344 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it's really unenforcable, main = undefined < 1361076567 620229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That counts as "infinitely loops". < 1361076632 680516 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell computes that it is uncomputable < 1361076654 170590 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :GĐ¡Đ¡Đ¡Đ  < 1361076725 321477 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what is the other option? < 1361076739 140498 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides terminating and not terminating < 1361076749 322536 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminating without being explicit about it < 1361076756 130456 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStrLn "Hello world" < 1361076770 81362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1361076773 530535 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that noise < 1361076797 742549 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world would become main = putStrLn "Hello world" >> exitSuccess < 1361076798 490746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Sounds like the sort of thing Ada would do. < 1361076800 420243 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that < 1361076853 690820 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = return undefined < 1361077267 10503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why have i not thought about Fix IO before < 1361077497 190562 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: twelve hours ago, I repealed a rule in Agora. < 1361077508 590548 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loosely speaking. < 1361077526 320555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Fix IO particularly interesting? < 1361077533 300423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeT f IO is probably more useful, I think. < 1361077543 10402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,.*/./ < 1361077588 740579 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 TOPIC #esoteric :PACZKI (pronounced like "punshki") IS ENOUGH | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1361077620 741173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. newtype Stream m a b = Stream { runStream :: m (Either b (a, Stream m a b)) } < 1361077628 700896 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, wait, as in, got people to vote to repeal a rule, or as in did it unilaterally? < 1361077630 811370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you used IO there, anyway. < 1361077686 692088 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murphy incorrectly resolved the proposal repealing it; he said that it had passed, but it had actually failed. < 1361077706 793738 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of this, but I kept quiet. As far as I know, nobody else noticed. < 1361077719 991215 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the resolution self-ratified twelve hours ago. < 1361077738 740704 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't like the tuple there < 1361077744 230600 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it your proposal? < 1361077750 750523 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think Pavitra submitted it. < 1361077753 160549 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a particular motive for you to keep quiet? < 1361077762 750502 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It repealed Rule 2386 "Belligerence". < 1361077769 230506 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that rule about? < 1361077774 887825 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since I Agoraed < 1361077790 640886 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It described a little subgame that nobody but me (and woggle, a little bit) was playing. < 1361077801 911759 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1361077813 580569 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now curious as to what that subgame was like < 1361077813 882018 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no particular motive for me to keep quiet about it; I just changed my mind and decided I'd rather it be repealed. < 1361077868 818487 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your argument appears correct < 1361077873 605679 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny thing. The proposal said 'Repeal the rule titled "Belligerence"'. If it had said 'Repeal Rule 2386' instead, then the self-ratification would have been ineffective. < 1361077881 315335 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that, indeed, the rule would never be repealed no matter what < 1361077920 751437 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, never mind < 1361077924 131082 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :title, text, and/or power < 1361077924 430906 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ratification can't cause a rule change, unless the text, title, and/or power of the rule is mentioned in the document ratified. < 1361077925 31222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1361078037 1095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe what there should be in Haskell though would be to call a IO as if it is its own program so the program will continue after it exit and have its own exit code as the result < 1361078147 32652 :SDr!~ask@unaffiliated/sdr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1361078260 501465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1361078666 70709 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe what we ought to do is have a comonad for I/O (called OI, of course), and a type representing entire programs. < 1361078697 280696 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Prelude should then have a value universe :: OI Program, and then your program has to define a value main :: Program. < 1361078703 642231 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1361078816 20941 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonads still confuse me :( < 1361078824 722055 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonads are easy < 1361078837 431011 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love them so??????? < 1361078842 50949 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I get they have an extract and no return < 1361078846 200924 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything will work perfectly. getLine can have the type OI () -> String, and, uh... < 1361078869 300851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy = cobeaky??????????????????????? < 1361078878 511316 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you know how you can think of a monadic value as a computation running within a certain context? < 1361078886 60850 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1361078891 660755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy it's bad comonad analogy time < 1361078896 881134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a refreshing break from bad monad analogy time < 1361078897 124632 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please dont < 1361078897 407418 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A comonadic value is a computation *providing* a certain context. < 1361078938 520944 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So with a monadic value, you need to provide a context. With a comonadic value, there's a context built-in? < 1361078957 671750 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that sounds accurate. < 1361078989 160982 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's an easy comonad? env. you know reader? you know env. < 1361079009 41405 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know reader. < 1361079022 212035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you know Co? that's a good monad < 1361079027 710988 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ye < 1361079031 511288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Co w a = forall r. w (a -> r) -> r < 1361079032 861090 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, looks like Env e a is equivalent to (e, a). < 1361079034 41022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Co Env = Reader < 1361079038 212042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The environment comonad has the same Kleisli category as the reader monad. < 1361079040 17778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Co Traced = Writer < 1361079042 981033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Co Store = State < 1361079051 160747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those things with Co are working too. < 1361079055 480773 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the context here is just a value of type e. < 1361079086 751033 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't tell me it's possible to write a constructor called Coco that works in the opposite direction. < 1361079090 471275 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm reasonably sure it's not.) < 1361079093 401019 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And extract pulls out a < 1361079095 640984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's not. < 1361079109 530760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, tswett's monad and comonad analogies both don't make sense. < 1361079113 611008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoa-coated co-cones < 1361079124 950821 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes the value out of the context < 1361079129 830719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There's such a thing as a cocone. :-( < 1361079133 911152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it a bit ridiculous? < 1361079137 600856 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, we should call taking quotes out of context extracting them! < 1361079145 250915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean they should call it a ne instead? < 1361079184 461027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate for trace comonad then means take two parameters which are combined using mappend, and extract for trace comonad means called the function with mempty, for one thing. < 1361079191 180946 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's the co of bind, or whatever? < 1361079204 661295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend < 1361079205 901007 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's an operation analogous to bind, but don't know what it is, or its type < 1361079212 921040 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated stupid word game: take each important word and insert "amp" before the stressed vowel, and then stress the "amp". < 1361079232 91152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :• ⇄ • → • < 1361079234 141093 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hampaskell. Esotamperic. Mamponad. < 1361079235 891373 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vampowel? < 1361079236 791068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a monad you have return,bind,join, while with a comonad you have extract,extend,duplicate. < 1361079242 732143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :& < 1361079248 711342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fmap is the same for both, since they are both being functors) < 1361079250 961704 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ampampersand. < 1361079268 580969 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: < 1361079270 231473 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t extend < 1361079271 154250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :extampend! < 1361079271 360512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `extend' < 1361079274 611096 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!!!! < 1361079278 470874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about a contravariant equivalent of Monad? < 1361079282 893636 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lampambdabot. < 1361079288 641175 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does caleskell really not have comonad < 1361079292 671029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unjoin :: (p (p a) -> p a) -> p a < 1361079297 901224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is difficult. < 1361079300 321355 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (=>>) < 1361079301 641288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `=>>' < 1361079301 848003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1361079301 848183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `>>' (imported from Control.Monad.Writer), < 1361079303 761286 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgampeo. Hampomestuck. Dampifficult. < 1361079306 947792 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbelievable < 1361079309 410968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty Control.Comonad.extend < 1361079311 221543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad.Comonad w => (w a -> b) -> w a -> w b < 1361079312 591990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries it with "vire" < 1361079313 701075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1361079318 430938 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you believe this < 1361079327 451155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo "unacceptable" < 1361079344 140857 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think comonads also cannot have a universal-across-all-comonads operation that supplies a null context? < 1361079360 792013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that any such operation is specialized per comonad? < 1361079361 540826 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unacçampeptable. < 1361079375 510621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think tswett's analogies have confused Sgeo_ beyond redemption. < 1361079383 241448 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I think that sounds right. < 1361079387 800871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :redampemption < 1361079388 8035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. We'll have to throw you out and start with a new Sgeo. < 1361079389 440763 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a value-with-context, you can remove the context. < 1361079406 981230 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But given a plain old value, you can't generally create a context for it. < 1361079408 8112 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so can I get an explanation of extend? < 1361079426 570566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend f w = fmap f (duplicate w) < 1361079441 801186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said explanation not definition < 1361079455 210705 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's honestly a pretty decent way of "explaining" it. < 1361079459 550772 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the question is just what duplicate does. < 1361079466 321613 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not "create a copy of the context". < 1361079469 794677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is like a functor from the coKleisli category to the base category. < 1361079492 410977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like how bind can be like a functor from the Kleisli category) < 1361079533 861335 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate x :: w (w a) is that value such that if you interact with the context, and then extract, and then interact with the context again, the result is the same as if you had just taken x and interacted with the context in both ways in sequence. < 1361079557 752195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to be maximally confusing :'( < 1361079569 540964 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you know that way of treating (->) Integer as a comonad? < 1361079576 630778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I trying to be confusing? < 1361079580 231218 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where it's an infinite sequence that you're allowed to shift? < 1361079588 240897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Maybe it should be ((->) (Sum Integer))? < 1361079605 550937 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I'm somewhat aware of the view of a zipper as a comonad < 1361079627 421109 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shiftLeft 3 . extract . shiftRight 5 . duplicate) is equivalent to just (shiftLeft 2 . shiftRight 5). I think. < 1361079652 264404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e ->) is a comonad when e is a monoid. < 1361079661 660742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1361079665 62600 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh. To (shiftLeft 3 . shiftRight 5). < 1361079685 130634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids are equivalent to easy things in the category of love < 1361079690 51288 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So given a context you can wrap the whole thing in another context? < 1361079705 119110 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm... not really. < 1361079723 720758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, you should take this as your example of a comonad: < 1361079725 162456 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's kinda like splitting the context into two pieces? < 1361079733 170545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store s a = (s, s -> a) < 1361079745 173763 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. < 1361079766 630930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess extract for that just feeds the s into s->a? < 1361079772 10947 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1361079777 318702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The MonadPlus instance for Either should be define in that way too, using the monoid; either by (Free (Const x)) or by (CodensityAsk ((->) x)) gives you the MonadPlus instance for free, assuming the certain way which gives you MonadPlus of Free, and Plus of Const) < 1361079786 139999 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a Store s a is... well, yeah. It's a (s, s -> a). < 1361079788 941838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes < 1361079797 883974 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store s (Store s a), then, is (s, s -> (s, s -> a)). < 1361079813 530911 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a neutral context for that quite easily... but again, probably specific to Store < 1361079819 171341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate = fmap (return :: a -> State s a) < 1361079843 150925 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that duplicate (c, f) = (c, \c' -> (c', f)). < 1361079855 763098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said. < 1361079861 712690 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1361079869 920841 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds tswett's easier to understand < 1361079879 621189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett's has the problem that < 1361079886 930756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate (c, f) = (c, \c' -> (c, f)) < 1361079889 160907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also type-checks < 1361079921 920877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also adjunctions are the future???? < 1361079957 921627 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have a Store s a, it's like it has an s, and it's about to apply a function to it, but you're allowed to play with the s and the function before it does so. < 1361079961 952282 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shachaf begins crying.) < 1361079987 452782 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you "duplicate" that, then you have the same thing, except now you're allowed to do that twice. < 1361080096 230996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Store x) is also being like (Density (Const x)) < 1361080108 81212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1361080370 841117 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't I be allowed to do it twice without duplicating it? < 1361080562 25376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comonad police Sgeo_ < 1361080670 841291 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely imagines a Squeak-like environment for Haskell < 1361080677 111294 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems... weird to think about, but < 1361080723 841039 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :late binding and static typing, what could possibly go wrong < 1361080809 264810 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you would be allowed to do that. < 1361080820 811394 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now if you have a function of the type (w a -> b), you can use it without losing access to the context. < 1361080853 610873 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... something like that. < 1361081187 481434 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a comonad corresponding to the Cont monad? < 1361081203 591234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a comonad in Hask^op :-) < 1361081209 431048 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly, the... yeah, that. < 1361081210 892477 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Cont monad is the mother of all monads, is the comonad for that the son of all comonads? < 1361081221 601954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably be Store < 1361081226 741441 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a comonad, but it's in the wrong category. < 1361081231 852320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store is related to Density in the same way that Cont is related to Codensity < 1361081242 511291 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the faintest idea what Density is < 1361081248 302151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As zzo38 pointed out.) < 1361081258 581984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Density is the mother of all comonads. Or something. < 1361081264 181940 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Is every monad in a category also a comonad in its opposite category? < 1361081273 451492 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIEEEE < 1361081278 133100 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's brain hurts\ < 1361081287 211349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think that's the definition of a comonad. :-) < 1361081380 481091 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the state comonads in Hask^op have anything in particular to do with the store monads in Hask? < 1361081496 322720 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1361081893 952771 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361083129 97523 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1361083584 891524 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1361083588 191991 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist < 1361083593 381356 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf monqy elliott < 1361083600 331937 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“important†< 1361083618 710615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thx monqy++ < 1361083719 352664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can we put spoilers in here < 1361083738 841958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in the end it turns out < 1361084121 694048 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1361085154 173781 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361085329 472040 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to sleep some get < 1361086066 782146 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1361088497 613937 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361088704 793552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont monad is not really mother of all monads; there is Codensity monad, and (Codensity (Const x)) makes (Cont x). < 1361088935 763086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Codensity is the true MOAM. < 1361089575 725260 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361089597 723823 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361089825 434232 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1361089828 833471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1361089933 74566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1361090302 3746 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1361090363 144537 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let doppleganger x = reverse x; < 1361090365 884229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let doppleganger x = reverse x;' < 1361090379 563929 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let doppleganger x = reverse x in doppleganger "Halite" < 1361090381 274173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "etilaH" < 1361090421 684119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite what people lambdabot may have told you yesterday, lambdabot is not quite ghci. > only takes expressions, @let only takes a declaration < 1361090442 44014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-lambdabot < 1361090444 528696 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that now, oerjan. < 1361090470 974255 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish they added data, so I could make a Nickname type. < 1361090486 154250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also :t and :k work like in ghci, but only in channel for some stupid reason (@type and @kind work in private to do the same) < 1361090494 703901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1361090511 223734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only recently that ghci itself got data working though < 1361090526 894144 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once attempted to make a Quantum Super-position type constructor. < 1361090561 33956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before you had to put that in a file) < 1361090709 405245 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on my Quantum type constructor. What I'd like is to be able to make SuperPosition x y and SuperPosition y x equivalent. < 1361090732 613782 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that actually have anything to do with quantum < 1361090830 684059 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes. A qubit (a Quantum Bit) can be 1 (true), 0 (false), or a super-position between 1 and 0 (SuperPosition x y). < 1361090852 675291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1361090854 474258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a disturbing lack of complex numbers hth < 1361090865 564801 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shachaf. < 1361090866 14051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see my diagram < 1361090873 774389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably not < 1361090885 614048 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: qubits have more than three states. < 1361090896 34075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess you'll be logreading, though. < 1361090902 595516 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what are them states < 1361090918 934467 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the various possible superpositions of |0> and |1>. < 1361090925 913996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am, but slowly < 1361090933 104630 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many < 1361090946 183834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncountably many < 1361090995 558046 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fan of (1/2)|0> + (sqrt(3)/2)|1>, myself. I think that's a pretty good state. < 1361091011 145308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you consider the ones with complex numbers? < 1361091019 504718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nah, not enough i's < 1361091039 584097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "i'm a fan of (1/2)|0> + (sqrt(3)/2)|1>, myself. i think that's a pretty good state." -- better? < 1361091053 153991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1361091126 815175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you consider entanglement? < 1361091130 324601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:51 hackage-proxy 0.1.0.0 - Provide a proxy for Hackage which modifies responses in some way. http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hackage-proxy-0.1.0.0 (MichaelSnoyman) < 1361091144 663807 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good one with i's? < 1361091155 744782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should submit a patch to insert malicious code on the fly. < 1361091188 143932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1361091244 894056 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: also (1/2)|0> + (sqrt(3)/2)|1> isn't the same state as (sqrt(3)/2)|0> + (1/2)|1>, I'm not sure why you'd think that, and this has nothing to do with types. < 1361091254 8252 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night! < 1361091255 94129 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1361091279 606250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/2)i|0> + (sqrt(2)i/2 - 1/2)|1> perhaps < 1361091334 144064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike (1/2)i|0> + (sqrt(2)i/2 - 1/2)|1> perhaps, also no fair leaving just after asking a question < 1361091334 593960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1361091396 234905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you have multiple bits like sqrt(2)|0>|0> + sqrt(2)|1>|1> is that OK? < 1361091401 134064 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything computer-rendered (text, images, etc.) are all made of bits < 1361091434 744366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: I mean quantum bits < 1361091441 264712 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we change these bits to qubits, then we could have atleast one of the uncountably many superpositions < 1361091478 523853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will have to collapse once measured, though < 1361091497 833771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, you do not have to always measure in the same direction) < 1361091587 160327 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there are two superpositions in my type constructor relating to true-false booleans: true 0> and false 1>, then true 1> and false >0. < 1361091602 244753 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s >0 0> < 1361091619 370702 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1361091781 114245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even understand it? It just doesn't work that way. < 1361091984 164711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover sed -ie doesn't do what you think it does, the e is an argument to the -i < 1361091984 464990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1361092001 114246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/liste < 1361092002 804785 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/liste': No such file or directory < 1361092058 595059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which undo < 1361092060 114318 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/undo < 1361092069 465793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/undo < 1361092070 734476 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ hg diff -c "$@" | patch -R < 1361092624 165617 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361092851 254889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a FSM has access to another machine which produces completely random numbers < 1361092876 315012 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying spaghetti monster? < 1361092889 914487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That FSM is fed a program, that only terminates, if the random machine produces a certain sequence of numbers < 1361092895 254902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finite state machine < 1361092918 335655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a finite state machine if it has access to such a machine < 1361092919 644790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1361093016 204636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal also my PS3 controller on my desk random came to life and blinked the 4 LEDS a couple of times <-- probably just the google cloud trying to print < 1361093016 448546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1361093130 434779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it would be nondeterministic, and nondeterministic FSMs are equivalent in power to deterministic ones. although that's not really a proof. < 1361093189 714408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it might not be the right sense of nondeterministic. < 1361093258 434527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the FSM in combination with the random machine might as well have not finite state anymore? < 1361093282 365119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the random machine has _no_ state. < 1361093296 774387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1361093304 504950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the common sense. < 1361093306 614901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you get is a probabilistic FSM, i guess. < 1361093316 533969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless it were a PRNG machine) < 1361093334 444672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are pretty much what markov models use, right fungot? < 1361093334 651475 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that we told the power. < 1361093335 344832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm going to assume that the random machine has no state other than the world it is in. < 1361093629 908152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a class of FSM where it is undecidable if it'll halt or not? < 1361093699 554875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well given that it's probabilistic, you'd get a probability of it halting... but i would expect it's calculable < 1361093710 824941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1361093721 946121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it only has finite state it can't accept arbitarily large random numbers < 1361093726 134706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not really undecidable in a meaningful sense < 1361093732 265762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there will be a calculable probabilty of halting. < 1361093777 354989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm pretty sure this can be calculated using eigenvalue methods based on perron-frobenius theory. < 1361093797 464770 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361093857 404845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in that new scoring method for bfjoust which i still don't think has been implemented. < 1361093876 244856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait < 1361093895 762018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different problem. but still given by the same matrix. < 1361093933 214941 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361093978 605350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm no, it's really the same, it's just that the problem gives a state ("has found the substring") which you never leave once you enter it. < 1361094012 255421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way you could avoid getting to that state is if the FSM has another set of states which you can never leave. < 1361094042 705803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that would not be a program to search for a substring. in fact if you search for a substring the probabiliy is obviously 1, really :P < 1361094096 524868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the more complicated problem of determining the probability of the FSM entering a given state for an arbitrary program would be solvable by such matrix methods. < 1361094167 435860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just thought of this thing - what if you don't have _entirely_ random numbers, but instead get the output of a markov model encoded in another FSM (hi fungot) < 1361094167 642232 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the corporate and public. 10. from the " let the market will be best to wait. subject: power keeps on giving you a chance of the commission < 1361094179 563100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun thing is, that the probability of such a program to terminate can increase the longer it runs. < 1361094204 915007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you would have two FSM's interacting, which i think you could just merge into one. < 1361094240 287575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1361094275 835050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hm... i was thinking this ran indefinitely. if it's a set number of steps, it gets a bit different. then you would calculate that power of the matrix, rather than looking for eigenvectors. < 1361094277 935064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are generated by a PRNG which is deterministic < 1361094298 705735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the PRNG itself is probably an FSM, no < 1361094337 835074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming the markov model still had "true" randomness inside < 1361094344 316050 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361094353 65233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with variable probabilities dependent on state < 1361094392 146606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of while(rnd() != 0); it's actually fairly easy to calculate the probability of it halting. < 1361094428 344973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given that rnd() returns entirely random numbers in the range 0..n) < 1361094445 894918 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and all numbers are equally likely to occurr) < 1361094447 664758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka p=1 < 1361094467 627906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1361094489 685273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1361094521 958851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that apply to programs that calculate infinite sums? < 1361094527 195682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1361094541 834989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27 + ... < 1361094557 115762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it halts if the sum reaches 1/2 < 1361094572 925226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect you cannot do that in finite state < 1361094595 159686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so too. < 1361094605 625625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't now how to encode that < 1361094611 795322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sum of that is 3/2 iicc < 1361094632 675213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it converges to 1/2 < 1361094633 464767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/(1-1/3)) < 1361094651 48382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are you sure < 1361094651 485806 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+1 = x*3; 2x = 1; x = 1/2 < 1361094671 665524 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1361094675 795316 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The sart value is 1/3 < 1361094676 775265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1 < 1361094687 225085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1361094694 986001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*start < 1361094698 705834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so idncc then < 1361094731 364520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that calculation is done by another machine coupled to my fsm < 1361094738 635100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fsm machine polls the sum machine < 1361094753 636187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which returns 1 if it has reached 1/2 and 0 if it is not there yet. < 1361094791 976506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you _could_ do that in finite state if you get it as a sequence of ternary digits < 1361094799 655317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(otherMachineDone()) { /* Nope, still waiting */ } < 1361094805 835776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*while(! < 1361094836 535523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does my fsm terminate or does it not? < 1361094860 205264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't terminate, naturally, since that sequence is precisely on the boundary < 1361094901 396727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never gets a 0 ternary digit, so it cannot say that the sum never reaches 1/2; it never gets a 2, so it cannot say that it does < 1361094953 495431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any rational number boundary can be tested with an FSM. which may not halt if it is precisely on the boundary. < 1361094984 445974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1361094996 535511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So an argument that it'll reach 1/2 in infinite steps is just plain wrong? < 1361095020 685571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "infinite steps" is pretty much the opposite of halting, no? :P < 1361095025 725472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1361095033 145287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs for ever < 1361095037 795720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll terminate if it runs for ever < 1361095051 276358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if one can say that it'll reach 1/2 in infinite steps) < 1361095093 175134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to need to redefine terminate for that. also get a supply of limits and transfinite ordinals. < 1361095136 305529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also read up on Zeno. < 1361095184 606004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It doesn't terminate unless it runs forever" sounds very confusing to me. < 1361095217 916644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeno of Elea? < 1361095234 495595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1361095244 546373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy who claimed there's no such thing as motion. < 1361095250 925391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh there's even more logs after midnight UTC :( < 1361095280 225638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he would definitely have said you couldn't reach 1/2. < 1361095281 575403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Is saying there is just one God like saying that all the water in the ocean is just one water? < 1361095286 721205 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, everybody shut up until oerjan catches up with the log reading < 1361095295 426130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU OLSNER < 1361095303 565616 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :microftedienpakseiks < 1361095318 115406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: if you say so. < 1361095388 86293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1361095406 355393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my FSM is infinetly fast (like math is) < 1361095433 95075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well. < 1361095435 554885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm. < 1361095483 190703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: i'm trying to figure out what pullbacks are in a poset category? <-- surely they're just meets? < 1361095656 85695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the fact that a poset category has only one morphism between objects at most means that it's the same as the product of the two initial objects and the thirs is ignored. < 1361095661 965379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*third < 1361095668 856863 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In quantum data, does 1 ket 0 + 0 ket 1 equal 0.5*2 ket 0 + 0.5-0.5 ket 1 < 1361095695 785920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf monqy: i'm trying to figure out what pullbacks are in a poset category? <-- surely they're just meets? < 1361095695 992171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1361095703 575907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf i think the fact that a poset category has only one morphism between objects at most means that it's the same as the product of the two initial objects and the thirs is ignored. < 1361095704 25330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1361095731 346098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: your syntax is hard to understand. < 1361095736 896177 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In my code I am replacing SuperPosition with my new Ket function.) < 1361095774 805927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i understand it, the answer is yes, anyway < 1361095801 245710 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :| and > are easy to type < 1361095804 282219 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what do you understand it as < 1361095821 95895 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, the pipe character doesn't work because my keyboard is horrible. < 1361095829 385617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 |0> + 0 |1> = 0.5*2 |0> + (0.5-0.5) |1> < 1361095845 165654 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it on your clipboard < 1361095847 815724 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's what I meant. thank you for helping. < 1361095864 845639 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, it was already on my clipboard for some reason :o < 1361095888 366073 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when a common character doesn't work, it just ends up there somehow?? < 1361095900 938746 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, but other keys don't work either such as the solidus (slash) and arrow keys, that's why I can't use question mark < 1361095981 299041 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should get a new keyboard < 1361096021 885907 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I have a laptop < 1361096067 786142 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should get a new laptop < 1361096082 988154 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, but meh data and meh Ubuntu < 1361096098 716447 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, the laptops you get are Macintosh or Windows nowadays < 1361096099 466054 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a usb keyboard and type on it < 1361096115 905592 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a USB computer < 1361096127 729138 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the screen coming apart too) < 1361096128 986090 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a windows laptop and overwrite it; that's what i do < 1361096149 385791 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops cost too much monet < 1361096151 925934 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :money* < 1361096282 205683 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your laptop isn't from “nowadays†you might be able to find a cheap laptop that's better than whatever you're using < 1361096308 993819 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop is close to nowadays < 1361096317 930263 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1361096324 326089 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too close < 1361096354 316238 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need the slash to join #haskell < 1361096360 875750 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1361096361 856594 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1361096406 366309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell without | is going to be awkward. < 1361097547 607223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1361097548 57014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 30m 52s ago: monqy: i'm trying to figure out what pullbacks are in a poset category? <-- surely they're just meets? < 1361097548 263589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 30m 45s ago: i think the fact that a poset category has only one morphism between objects at most means that it's the same as the product of the two initial objects and the thirs is < 1361097548 263762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignored. < 1361097552 649607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right. < 1361097565 36903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1361097566 837010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows in limit diagrams pretty much don't matter because commutativity is trivial. < 1361097576 574695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When you only have at most one arrow between objects.) < 1361098197 607246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike "manocentric" says my internal ignorant pedant, though. <-- "manu-" hth < 1361098198 57837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1361098421 278684 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1361098668 297464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello to you too, dear monqy < 1361098705 367528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: Are you a troll? < 1361098709 317481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're acting a lot like a troll. < 1361098722 478171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In #esoteric that's one thing, but #haskell and #agda are a different matter. < 1361099390 328198 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1361099764 219809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361100556 198252 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361100673 383181 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1361101118 368910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: Would you stop wasting everyone's time? < 1361101323 88241 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub of #haskell pundits < 1361101341 678811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay finished the logs! < 1361101356 178362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they good < 1361101374 428532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were cogood < 1361101390 320057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1361101392 128207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bad < 1361101404 270081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it like open and closed sets < 1361101411 238711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :goobad logs < 1361101451 768580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think open and closed sets might be dual, so... i guess? < 1361102382 289053 :Halite!~HaliteBir@cpc4-staf7-2-0-cust442.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361103190 759241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ;~:!*()a^S < 1361103190 965795 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :59 126 58 33 42 40 41 97 94 83 < 1361103218 309679 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e11c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1361103299 368330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort [(ord x, x) | x <- ";~:!*()a^S"] < 1361103301 978193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(33,'!'),(40,'('),(41,')'),(42,'*'),(58,':'),(59,';'),(83,'S'),(94,'^'),(9... < 1361103312 288310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats lambdabot -----### < 1361103349 88590 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort ";~:!*()a^S" < 1361103351 180134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "!()*:;S^a~" < 1361103442 21188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords [show (ord x) ++ [x] | x <- sort ";~:!*()a^S"] < 1361103444 198429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "33! 40( 41) 42* 58: 59; 83S 94^ 97a 126~" < 1361103459 958134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1361103500 73927 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unzip $ sort [(ord x, x) | x <- ";~:!*()a^S"] < 1361103501 898349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([33,40,41,42,58,59,83,94,97,126],"!()*:;S^a~") < 1361103522 578751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanx < 1361103688 948469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is thanx the dual of swatting < 1361103695 739536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some ascii art for it < 1361103711 58273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1361103738 508418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what category thing should i figure out next < 1361103745 328728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :topoi < 1361103763 598827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand them, but is sure they are cool < 1361103766 678581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds complicated < 1361103796 473640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr.hird thinks (âˆ,n)-categories are the answer to all of life's problems < 1361103796 820685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cartesian closed categories, then? < 1361103825 928668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they are, but i don't know what they are < 1361103841 978367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't either. < 1361103863 558431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could ask at the n-category cafĂ© < 1361103869 158526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should work out ends. < 1361103871 638643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are ends good? < 1361103891 808384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all is good that ends well < 1361103929 378059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think you may have passed my CT knowledge level already < 1361103970 886375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely. < 1361103974 608748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you weer off into homology stuff, which requires algebra on top < 1361103996 886287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what homology is. :-( < 1361104000 223930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it? < 1361104046 178512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*veer < 1361104081 259065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet those are pronounced the same way in Norwegian. < 1361104084 728026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't matter. < 1361104094 89043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwegian is the best language. < 1361104105 398289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it has the empty set in its alphabet. < 1361104110 738245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you outdo that? < 1361104230 258092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vanishes in a puff of 7smoke < 1361104231 378391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :homology is basically a sequence of functors defined from topological spaces into groups. and then you generalize it to modules over rings, and stuff. < 1361104251 700282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, you had an answer. < 1361104266 563243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds complicated. < 1361104274 468353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is cohomology just mplicated? < 1361104278 329133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this tells you things about the topological space, or the rings. < 1361104298 921521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you actually care about homology < 1361104299 130147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1361104315 949652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cohomology means you take the dual modules at one step of the construction < 1361104340 428926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to go to sleep. :-( < 1361104341 169547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well for example it gives you proofs of things like the jordan-brouwer theorem < 1361104400 119890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes the jordan curve theorem as a special case (which has other known proofs) < 1361104477 208186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if you deform a sphere arbitrarily but still continuously, it will still always separate a surrounding euclidean space (of one more dimension) into two pieces. < 1361104595 50378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway -> < 1361105020 717721 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1361105917 568472 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361107390 777363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1361108249 231238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i found another terrible swede http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/18mh1p/my_favorite_song_about_doing_calculus/c8gm0ii < 1361108492 121444 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361108506 110215 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1361108528 341703 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361110276 972913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it that books containing "An introduction" are usually completely useless < 1361110298 22421 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1361110299 451810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: help < 1361110299 658204 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: say 'mimic X' to mimic X; 'who' for list; anything else for a reply < 1361110301 681069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1361110312 221958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1361110317 283267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mimic fizzie < 1361110329 330963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic fizzie < 1361110329 537168 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: okay, mimicking fizzie < 1361110330 680994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to mention you need to say it to im. < 1361110345 90866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: do your work < 1361110346 360830 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i've used a lot in gnu canything only included in the possibility. < 1361110369 501161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder if the "canything" is a bug. < 1361110386 278052 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic esomimic < 1361110386 484573 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sorry, don't know 'esomimic' well enough < 1361110396 390792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic mroman < 1361110396 638179 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sorry, don't know 'mroman' well enough < 1361110402 31619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. < 1361110403 481253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: who < 1361110403 687905 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ais523 asiekierka augur bsmntbombdood CakeProphet coppro cpressey Deewiant elliott *fizzie fungot Gregor ihope itidus21 kallisti kmc lament monqy nooga oerjan oklopol olsner Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo shachaf Taneb Vorpal zzo38 < 1361110403 688117 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: that will assume the first is the pulmonary injury by deal count by trader and product for the existing state plans of a message on the its board of directors on dec. 21. < 1361110404 845991 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's following screens, sdsm for. < 1361110405 52119 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: his and your management have been a few that could make the decision on the number of our best to keep the current state of the street. tullman, ( 888) 593-4771 or ( 212) 686-6808, email the new bond language has an offer. < 1361110406 141077 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: box's in six. < 1361110406 437482 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: 1. i in room eb1938 to formalize an already executed more than that of the market that would please be soooo busy lately. terminated 12.1 e prime, inc. on a thursday that the last two and a state of my and john < 1361110407 321970 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: last year's details. < 1361110407 528094 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: an internet exchange for chemicals that cause of the it central website. rick causey, buy and deal entry. < 1361110408 600850 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh. < 1361110409 32339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1361110413 941109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that. < 1361110426 611179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1361110442 623565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least fungot has the loop protection. < 1361110442 881818 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he recalled the critics want. settlement. < 1361110452 421284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic itidus21 < 1361110452 628149 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: okay, mimicking itidus21 < 1361110462 821627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, share some of your thoughts < 1361110463 241039 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1361110474 241835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's an "ICE BURN". < 1361110481 223154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: Really, now. < 1361110481 643203 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: areas of an encoding of an efficient potatoes it, and concentrate, and link < 1361110496 871520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, potatoes? < 1361110497 170813 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im not asking pretty cool < 1361110519 271418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: Gimme your lunch money or else...! < 1361110519 651372 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i think thats where < 1361110536 101663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: thats where you call the police? We'll see about that! < 1361110536 401808 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oops < 1361110564 222036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know why it's so much more incoherent; it's done with SRILM, though. < 1361110631 21131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic zzo38 < 1361110631 227458 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: okay, mimicking zzo38 < 1361110643 521145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, what's your opinion of HTTP? < 1361110644 271257 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: +one of a subroutine greater and you can refer that, also < 1361110645 611254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give him an omegle backend < 1361110654 301397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll do shit. < 1361110859 621649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic ehird < 1361110859 864581 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, mimicking elliott < 1361110865 891290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: What would elliott do? < 1361110869 771211 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: enjoy < 1361110876 856217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: Sounds vaguely dirty. < 1361110881 641594 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am not sure which wiki/functions how can i become a "game comes from the +or sth?" < 1361110888 171088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That model is a giant, it takes a while to load.) < 1361110901 442800 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361110908 281903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic Taneb < 1361110908 488269 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, mimicking Taneb < 1361110916 351253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: Greet your guy. < 1361110916 651125 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1361110918 211295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Taneb, fizzie whipped us up a replacement elliott < 1361110922 897238 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sweet < 1361110925 422670 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, sup < 1361110925 911080 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's doing < 1361110935 808828 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, what's doing? < 1361110936 351557 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i was on, let me, one < 1361110955 225124 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, seen anything cool lately? < 1361110955 721186 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i am aware the don't have interesting < 1361110984 431582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might need some tweaks. < 1361110992 665176 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: you're right! The don't do have interesting < 1361110993 141742 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh dear god < 1361111003 257437 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it's perfect < 1361111017 721079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic ais523 < 1361111017 927557 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, mimicking ais523 < 1361111022 541130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: Try to sound sensible for a while < 1361111023 550319 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: next time you are using clc-intercal < 1361111036 611578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: ...then what? < 1361111037 871441 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: unfortunately i haven't submitted (i haven't modified well context is ridiculously slow for that sort of thing, they keep) < 1361111076 880087 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: source < 1361111078 315304 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: +it could be fun to shrink too, as i remember who it was? i guess it's a really bad puns is translated into but suboptimal but not the accumulator, it becomes whole shape drawing with a it with a stupid sure or +it isn't wikimedia-connected behaviour same as the form < 1361111095 581475 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic itidus20 < 1361111095 821745 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking itidus21 < 1361111101 882753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, how's it going < 1361111102 411732 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: billion spend i have a mass c is fun to make. and ((s x i am already mentioned great deal be more of i saying "an image, and i thought human then it is better shot bastards")) < 1361111116 706219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1361111120 53013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the +s are probably from the old freenode capab identify-msg thing. < 1361111121 241120 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on hang on < 1361111125 124514 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : esomimic: mimic itidus20 < 1361111125 331147 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: okay, mimicking itidus21 < 1361111129 962575 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1361111136 91667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a bit of nick-merging. < 1361111158 220588 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic atriq < 1361111158 464565 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking Taneb < 1361111162 883724 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic AnMaster < 1361111163 90041 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking Vorpal < 1361111167 218282 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic kallisti < 1361111167 424967 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking kallisti < 1361111171 401761 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic CakeProphet < 1361111171 607958 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking CakeProphet < 1361111177 428275 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic RocketJSquirrel < 1361111177 634512 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sorry, don't know 'RocketJSquirrel' well enough < 1361111184 762424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhat limited. < 1361111186 21172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic cpressey < 1361111186 227463 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking cpressey < 1361111190 119236 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, what < 1361111190 711691 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: posix! < 1361111194 831884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX! < 1361111200 242687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, have any new language ideas < 1361111200 542546 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: an what i was thinking ah ha i'm out constructing extremely but see, hurd interesting at (which may be a word as a technical them probably seems very and english make the asylum.) < 1361111324 571638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be less grammatik than fungot due to srilm actually using the backoffs when generating. Maybe. < 1361111324 818489 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at the time, on the same in the file that the modifications. light http://www.brookings.edu/ press/ review/ rev_des.htm book event: politics prose, 5015 connecticut ave., suite of energy < 1361111345 813003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not such a great showing either. < 1361111408 355188 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo esomimic: < 1361111408 601827 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: esomimic: < 1361111408 901823 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i complicated s i want i if your mediocre brainfuck many of the out < 1361111409 108529 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: they do not have any authority on an urgency of the money.) bombay. < 1361111409 352321 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a kind of behaviour, it to entries. something. i got the normal mechanism something specify probably be friend i apologize that < 1361111409 559253 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: see the attached. 99-14563 doing that." wagner rates enron " keep you in the loop on the below: index: gas daily, find. < 1361111409 802107 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no < 1361111410 8363 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: to complete the form of the meeting.?? < 1361111410 214591 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there's got a a dir, but we'll see languages was a significant "planets" < 1361111410 420973 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: go to: http://www20.cera.com/ client/ company/ account what locations on 21 will not let < 1361111410 791956 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: if i did, for example, if you ask... that's copying is (full!) < 1361111411 895803 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1361111414 620918 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: who < 1361111414 827618 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ais523 asiekierka augur bsmntbombdood CakeProphet coppro *cpressey Deewiant elliott fizzie fungot Gregor ihope itidus21 kallisti kmc lament monqy nooga oerjan oklopol olsner Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo shachaf Taneb Vorpal zzo38 < 1361111422 482056 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic fungot < 1361111422 688655 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: okay, mimicking fungot < 1361111422 688876 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is the spot only the state alabama alaska arizona arkansas and lsu. < 1361111422 688987 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: in that case you will put the issue of the talk" face="verdana, helvetica, arial, helvetica, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"bfont color="cc0000" size="3"br all sales employees. < 1361111422 981903 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: begrudging pat < 1361111423 188245 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: they pay the esp. to weather i've seen in a spread. commercial power representative and any representative of the price. +44 ( 20) the worst of california's/ utilities -2: not the first and will assume the first to the main source of the davis plan, giving the state < 1361111423 582366 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: miizzzzaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx way to the ocean palace of irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1361111423 789057 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: that is not on any of the questions on the espeak site urging the company's) plan." < 1361111424 33798 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...out of stack! < 1361111424 240077 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: what do we know the number of questions." granted the right of the as gets exercised and processed. < 1361111424 632413 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: to, uhhh.......... colours i time! < 1361111443 820272 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you may want to fix that < 1361111449 771815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1361111462 821653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: What are you doing? < 1361111463 272265 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hey fhjlkdshfkjasdasd hjlkdshfkjasdasd 0 < 1361111475 881914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume we were saved there by fungot's rate limiting < 1361111476 88348 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that we fail the credit and the fun of our earnings this quarter we have attached the new with every time we utilized our partnership with the major power plants. < 1361111542 973190 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic shachaf < 1361111543 179893 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking shachaf < 1361111547 162556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1361111547 842846 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, what's a lens < 1361111548 492314 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you mean that good. < 1361111555 645591 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, I do mean that good < 1361111556 189540 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think it haskell get a so you're. < 1361111566 358160 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not wrong, per se) < 1361111578 19011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its grammar is a tad dodgy) < 1361111595 465426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot: begrudging pat < 1361111595 672375 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the risk of an approved site < 1361111599 712661 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :964) fungot: begrudging pat < 1361111744 730702 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1361111840 862420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there's also a duck are you actually want to get around it." Yeah, "tad dodgy". < 1361111873 674265 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work on similar lines to Fungot? < 1361111896 871926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very similar, except it uses an existing toolkit (SRILM) to do all the work. < 1361111919 102059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And speaker-dependent models, of course. < 1361111966 52439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you think that person in #haskell is telling the truth? < 1361111988 816654 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone has that many hyphens in their name < 1361112017 59995 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should be prepared to help anyone at any time! < 1361112074 950208 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite reminds me of Kankri an a weird way < 1361112191 612363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1361112248 112670 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361112260 32833 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1361112260 482722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it no longer the fungot. < 1361112260 688908 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: our meeting. < 1361112278 884624 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic fungot < 1361112279 90874 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: okay, mimicking fungot < 1361112279 91064 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: of the deal will be at the airport. they < 1361112279 297138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: all of the mail the original. " i lost my balance of the 20 years." < 1361112279 533371 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: selected style: lovecraft (h. p. lovecraft's writings) < 1361112279 739724 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: yet the lights on.???????? < 1361112280 52069 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ( printer is eta.. < 1361112280 258481 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: all we have had the option of going on.?????? < 1361112280 562408 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: (((cathedral to the west?... yes!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono!!! help!))) < 1361112280 768726 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: we should know that the summer of 2000. < 1361112281 12576 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: helps oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: ct (chrono trigger game script) < 1361112289 742735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1361112303 725156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1361112306 355517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. < 1361112334 972455 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361112347 52043 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1361112349 642877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic fungot < 1361112349 849189 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, mimicking fun​got < 1361112349 849367 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is not to... .a bunch of construction within an iso market? interface. come support the houston cougars as they held stock to the authority that is important that we < 1361112357 203491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, can that sword alone stop < 1361112357 652443 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you be in cloud ventral been a time see a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's place... < 1361112360 642451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems better. < 1361112389 262731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: How did you know it was about Chrono Trigger? < 1361112389 564988 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in my friends! < 1361112393 592220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map fromEnum "fun​got" < 1361112394 243041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1361112397 644038 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map fromEnum "fun​got" < 1361112398 102292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1361112411 592421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a zero-width space. < 1361112418 858774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun got < 1361112458 873086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic lambdabot < 1361112459 79727 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, don't know 'lambdabot' well enough < 1361112461 532310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow fuck you < 1361112474 542457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't teach the other bots. :/ < 1361112507 835179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: WWFD? < 1361112508 113107 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: optbot optbot < 1361112527 722632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic optbot < 1361112527 928901 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, don't know 'optbot' well enough < 1361112543 533100 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, who? < 1361112544 32623 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i grow so tired and stiff < 1361112546 89434 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, who < 1361112546 362595 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ais523 asiekierka augur bsmntbombdood CakeProphet coppro cpressey Deewiant elliott fizzie *fun​got Gregor ihope itidus21 kallisti kmc lament monqy nooga oerjan oklopol olsner Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo shachaf Taneb Vorpal zzo38 < 1361112552 387001 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic Phantom_Hoover < 1361112552 593967 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sorry, don't know 'Phantom_Hoover ' well enough < 1361112562 358446 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1361112563 938790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1361112565 648972 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1361112568 662673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic, mimic Phantom_Hoover < 1361112568 869000 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: okay, mimicking Phantom_Hoover < 1361112572 112456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should strip some spaces. < 1361112576 843472 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1361112608 372303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic zzo38 < 1361112608 578547 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, mimicking zzo38 < 1361112611 713975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: i'd like to see you try < 1361112612 612685 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am using the command-line mean. < 1361112616 663789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: good < 1361112617 364367 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought it has amber is for those, the server than.... < 1361112640 242393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: You're not quite like the real deal. < 1361112641 2563 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you write it using the correct in category theory a disk and then assume there is a bad, so i have no. < 1361112652 232511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you make it preserve caps/punct < 1361112667 143343 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1361112714 602952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In theory I could just skip the preprocessing. Though then the models might be a bit more sparse. < 1361112729 183107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's not very good mimicry when it normalizes that stuff. < 1361112749 282453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic fizzie < 1361112749 489451 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, mimicking fizzie < 1361112750 462491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: But why are you talking in all lowercase? I don't do that! < 1361112751 512753 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you two 8-ball say "?" < 1361112769 623179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You did in 2002! < 1361112780 374242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's twue. < 1361112822 223546 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361112903 33438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss 2002 fizzie. < 1361113126 443462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: Try to be like the 2002 fizzie. < 1361113127 902494 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: obviously haven't the gnu think anyone was doing the whole lot more impressive in this dates the point in a bus. < 1361113142 552679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1361113228 223411 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this mimicking work? < 1361113244 355184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly < 1361113294 882618 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1361113420 868665 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361113465 222486 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is this esomimic, and why does he mimic someone who spams X_X < 1361113486 183490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen any spammed "X_X"s. < 1361113544 622937 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to spam filet knives to your jugular vein. < 1361113607 473134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic Phantom_Hoover < 1361113607 679634 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, mimicking Phantom_Hoover < 1361113609 242949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: hoov < 1361113609 842825 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something called try to won you don't think sense drama. < 1361113611 559267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: hoov < 1361113612 232764 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i assume it call/cc interaction so is why would you mean the computable reals, his tower. < 1361113615 483774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: hoov < 1361113615 982852 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not what? < 1361113617 73034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: hoov < 1361113617 523001 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but i have been.. " < 1361113618 552996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: hoov < 1361113618 963568 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he's arguing; internet talk about 5 'austerity come to think of it.' < 1361113624 632952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this isnt very good < 1361113627 972858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be more entertaining in future < 1361113638 574210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :austerity come to think of it! < 1361113644 143343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon i'm comedic gold < 1361113694 623765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was alright I admit < 1361113700 127088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic cpressey < 1361113700 333576 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, mimicking cpressey < 1361113706 703325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does this include his seminal work as ZOMGMODULES? < 1361113709 135388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and catseye < 1361113739 698564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not. < 1361113752 173592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can I have at least 20 refunds < 1361113757 163921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was catseye like half the time! < 1361113766 532875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have twenty times zero monies. < 1361113779 735990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: this better be good < 1361113779 942118 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. for indirection.... will vm i want for us and but and directory other formats on that languages have syntax channels stuff oh oh < 1361113781 944429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: this better be good < 1361113782 162909 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or if it... mostly sending you expect < 1361113782 982933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: this better be good < 1361113783 189305 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well. then i would? < 1361113784 34437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: this better be good < 1361113784 433724 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm can build better comparison. ok < 1361113785 553117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: this better be good < 1361113785 948754 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have you ever get it crash why do you mean by dismissing you know. i say you have to comic strip almost always < 1361113791 73314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic monqy < 1361113791 279957 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, mimicking monqy < 1361113792 114721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: this better be good < 1361113792 633381 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll on them < 1361113793 523117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: this better be good < 1361113793 863254 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sometimes people < 1361113797 294234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1361113798 761570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people < 1361113807 163061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are a sometimes food. < 1361113812 73343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: < 1361113812 373167 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you mean the side < 1361113814 404631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: < 1361113814 611645 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right < 1361113816 83157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: < 1361113816 383054 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surely that, i think its do that < 1361113817 733495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: < 1361113818 183443 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: those the make when fuck indentation because it's not doing what i want to find it < 1361113828 723427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: these don't quite have fungot's charm < 1361113828 968132 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with that in mind the following ( in dth's) off of cng, cgas < 1361113835 272897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true. < 1361113841 453200 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :esomimic: mimic esomimic < 1361113841 659572 :esomimic!~esomimic@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sorry, don't know 'esomimic' well enough < 1361113853 943134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should've simply used fungot's code to do the whole thing. < 1361113854 149566 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: option as ceo of this right? -----original message----- from: steve venturatos. < 1361113864 293120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IMO it should be able to take a nickname regexp and then generate a model for mimicking that on the fly < 1361113870 4830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can make hideous chimerae of people < 1361113877 92927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be CEO of Steve Venturatos. < 1361113892 733170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog steve venturatos < 1361113907 543389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I suppose you're still doing the Enron thing? < 1361113907 750912 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: will we. hollings will confer in connection with any decision i think we have two set on the language of the) lines not working on i < 1361113921 633363 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1361113926 293549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs steve venturatos < 1361113939 962955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1361113940 422784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^irc < 1361113941 704264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1361113943 63220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1361113943 269679 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron* europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1361113943 269941 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15070 < 1361113953 683737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hope you didn't update the irc style < 1361113956 553323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ruin the darwin style < 1361113969 133239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not changed anything. < 1361113971 583374 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1361113976 213795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1361113980 614124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need reliable things in this e'er-changing world < 1361114006 783545 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361114007 28557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so wait is that enron thing not new < 1361114019 843445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron < 1361114020 50311 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) < 1361114026 573308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh, didn't notice that < 1361114026 779491 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also on the price of 1 ( limit 2). i < 1361114029 874126 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading SICP again and playing with a scheme interpreter < 1361114056 26214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:41:27: fizzie, Enron? < 1361114058 393296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:41:57: fizzie, the electricity company? < 1361114060 255357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: really. < 1361114072 3309 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what a nice way procrastinate < 1361114079 803088 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to* < 1361114093 593728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :any python guy in here? < 1361114110 563523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "python guy" means know python then yes. if it means like python then no < 1361114131 474687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a nice way to convert a string to a list of char? < 1361114136 873691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than map(lambda a:a,str) < 1361114148 213169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :list(s) < 1361114152 574506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh. Well, I mean, I have not changed any of the things that already existed. I did add that. < 1361114194 333239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most cases you can just enumerate over the string, though. < 1361114223 534394 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is filthy < 1361114313 12964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1361114448 623642 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't like it < 1361114451 294608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361114459 843114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~enron/DELETIONS.txt < 1361114461 113371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hate file modes. < 1361114466 635495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just makes me intensely curious as to what those emails were < 1361114475 273768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a shut up just give me a file handle open < 1361114505 623333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open('foo') < 1361114509 593427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for reading) < 1361114526 483683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1361114526 690176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1361114533 389763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: what about yesterday? I wasn't here then either < 1361114540 13280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :r+ seems to do the trick. < 1361114557 183966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/MIVE is one of them. < 1361114563 134334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: None then, either. Sorry! < 1361114572 880559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1361114612 173393 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, the email < 1361114656 764005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sent/205 seems reasonably similar, except to some other girl. < 1361114689 488528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I sense a pattern. < 1361114723 124385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, gay-r/sent/74. is just an email about scheduling a conference call discussing someone's termination notice. < 1361114735 433718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't know why to remove that.) < 1361114795 314098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess the gay-r ones are still available for download, since it says removed 2011 but the latest archive is from 2009. < 1361114801 183308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the skilling-j one is the real mystery. < 1361114817 243312 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361114818 784302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is there a better way than reduce(str.__add__,foo) < 1361114822 513408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to undo list(str)? < 1361114843 553236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :''.join(l) is common. < 1361114900 783583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The copy at work is missing skilling-j/1584 too, so can't help there. < 1361114939 902858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the "Agust 21, 2009" download link is actually to enron_mail_20110402.tgz so I think it actually doesn't have the gay-r ones. < 1361114966 753468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. Thx. < 1361114974 613582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My python is so rusty. < 1361114994 64083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So that's what Agust means. < 1361114996 604344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm doin' Array Manipulation Stuff and I'm even poorer at that with haskell than python < 1361114999 743705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agust of Wind. < 1361115074 203833 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361115088 405697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Triforce is identical to [[brainfuck]] while purely using triangles, and with the addition of an operator that resets a memory cell to 0. It is not yet possible to input and store a character." < 1361115102 564655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this… somehow manages to do worse than the average pointless BF derivative < 1361115109 553382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it uses triangles! < 1361115112 644146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that langauge was made as a threat, AIUI < 1361115121 614223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who was it threatening? < 1361115139 13752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:15:49: SaltScript < 1361115139 220283 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when Phantom_Hoover tried to write a Tumblr post about it, my computer crashed < 1361115139 220453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:34: what should I add to SaltScript < 1361115139 220565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:18:59: ok, I'll make another BF-like language if you don't listen to those developing better languages < 1361115154 604320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Phantom_Hoover or someone told him not to make a BF derivative) < 1361115163 393632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, so are my thoughts on it never going to come to light < 1361115192 606068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you own PH's Tumblr, right? < 1361115215 818710 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, we shall see < 1361115218 33517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'irthening bad' never going to be given the rightful place in a sentence that it deserves < 1361115236 632843 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of using disappointirth < 1361115250 873953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works also! < 1361115266 93606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, you should bug me to update the esowiki soon < 1361115273 544660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's several updates behind and some of them are even security-related < 1361115296 153355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how soon is soon? < 1361115315 843846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I don't feel like doing it now :) < 1361115325 613190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the problem! < 1361115331 271271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so next time I remember and you seem like you're in a mood to do something major? < 1361115342 433764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I won't feel like doing it later, either < 1361115351 273459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'm telling you to bug me, see < 1361115362 813198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want you to bug me /now/, because I don't want to do it < 1361115375 529777 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doo eeeeeeet < 1361115418 184050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you do it! < 1361115432 333629 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :∆ < 1361115432 539796 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I can not < 1361115441 793591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ < 1361115451 694247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, update my blog then! < 1361115466 422594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will when elliott updates the wiki! < 1361115596 295075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, update the wiki! < 1361116036 803998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gone mad. < 1361116131 863926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/nyIPsxbn < 1361116185 271482 :SDr!~ask@unaffiliated/sdr JOIN :#esoteric < 1361116323 104073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threads must manipulate each other to do stuff < 1361116382 933704 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361116408 843846 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to have an OS such that your computer can overheat, crash, and restart before you ping out from IRC < 1361116410 435788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1361116412 224841 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1361116655 356197 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1361117251 484708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1361118196 12131 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1361118583 487179 :efm!~efm@vpn.tummy.com QUIT : < 1361118592 446133 :efm!~efm@vpn.tummy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1361118814 230175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: update the wiki O KAY < 1361118826 104751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo you do it < 1361118845 595232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY if you don't mind it breaking all over the place < 1361118945 298598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why are there 83 people here < 1361118966 893332 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have been ADVERTISING < 1361118974 894668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1361118986 672059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you really. < 1361118991 609920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb what have you done < 1361119003 925248 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not been advertising) < 1361119014 876563 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys, I'm here thanks to Taneb! < 1361119016 894739 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I have, but I've caused no-one to stick) < 1361119023 575168 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, you are!? < 1361119027 775119 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have a great idea for a new language! it has 8 symbols! < 1361119044 149528 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a MIBBLLII derivative? < 1361119058 141623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i shall assume it's an underload derivative without ) hth < 1361119078 584962 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you really think I understand BCKW?? < 1361119089 325347 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a BF alternative for which the symbols are a, A, Ă¡, Ă , Ă, Ă€, Ä… and Ä„? < 1361119097 90446 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find BCKW easier than SKI < 1361119105 262286 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join const < 1361119107 133374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a < 1361119126 764724 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe a, Ă¡, Ă , ä, Ä…, Ä, Ă£ and Ă¥. < 1361119154 945836 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I believe you should make one < 1361119236 127984 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1361119251 906297 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1361119281 574158 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I should not. < 1361119299 867783 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some would argue you already did :( < 1361119383 395543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: please do, I have a use for BF derivatives < 1361119407 616952 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I haven't specified the mapping. < 1361119427 565274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so you specified as many BF derivatives as there are possible mappings < 1361119437 57978 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you wedge unstable furnitures with bf derivatives?? < 1361119465 505251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, I specified 8 factorial BF derivatives without even realizing it! < 1361119474 751728 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you specified 40320 mappings! < 1361119503 5247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta set a record - I don't believe anyone else has accidentally specified so many bf derivatives < 1361119521 517245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wish I hadn't been so slow) < 1361119542 407018 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, every sequence of unique characters in existence specifies mappings! < 1361119562 381895 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alphabet specifies 26*25*24*23*22*21*20*19 mappings < 1361119585 195506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ye < 1361119585 644299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1361119588 105694 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell us it's no longer accidental < 1361119603 629187 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [109990..110000] < 1361119605 616344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28516904589671371494881311400913125079881049855168000000 < 1361119611 952729 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of bf derivatives < 1361119618 790411 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(approx number of characters in Unicode) < 1361119628 656308 :mekeor!~user@dslb-088-067-136-034.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361119636 175471 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as a featured language, the site should have a Brainfuck derivative of the day X-D < 1361119639 738037 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's assuming we only use one character < 1361119678 705144 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could even be automatic. Just choose at random from the BF derivatives category and barf it onto the main page. < 1361119683 934777 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could call it the box of shame! < 1361119686 271164 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you also have some encryption scheme such that each character is encoded by a different cipher... < 1361119763 355932 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any sufficiently long block of text could be a programming encoding any algorithm < 1361119883 865110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, this has already been done better < 1361119897 250039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like TMMDLPTEALPAITAFNFAL < 1361119907 385738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was from memory, I probably don't have it exactly right) < 1361119913 665100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's automatically better due to not being a BF derivative < 1361119925 986253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL < 1361119928 646283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I looked it up, it's TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL < 1361119940 705367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only one letter off :) < 1361119943 198156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :added an extra D < 1361119951 548990 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just defined |V| programming languages. < 1361120083 216256 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defined so many programming languages that ZFC suddenly became inconsistent with reality. < 1361120104 347359 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361120201 196552 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1361120449 190713 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361120600 759347 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that'll explain why my graphics card hasn't arrived yet < 1361120604 40476 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just got dispatched < 1361120865 492824 :nooodl!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1361121341 498195 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> (a -> c) -> (a -> b & c) < 1361121357 11578 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> c) -> (b -> c) -> (a | b -> c) < 1361121659 186134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you might want to look up sequent calculus... < 1361121677 298010 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment I'm looking up accents of the english language < 1361121684 733594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add sequent calculus to the queue < 1361121692 923094 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for me to check pipes out < 1361121713 314443 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix pipes, Haskell pipes, or plumbing pipes? < 1361121777 76651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm you weren't brought to accents from wikipedia's picture of the day by any chance? < 1361121786 641587 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1361121791 246289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1361121794 997066 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking to someone in the American South about it < 1361121811 125428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just had "Transatlantic accent" open < 1361121923 576383 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell pipes < 1361121944 639259 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been pretty familiar with unix pipes for a while now =P < 1361122394 726001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash pipes < 1361122615 925555 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't smoke < 1361122637 84584 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cigars are much nicer < 1361122647 646802 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I've never smoken hash or a pipe < 1361122660 655687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tobacco is nasty < 1361122673 77757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cigarettes are nasty < 1361122845 247425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tobacco in general just seems like a bum deal < 1361122890 25821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a boatload of crappy side effects for... getting relaxed? < 1361122980 38361 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361123223 18022 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361123228 209305 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361123466 122649 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1361123524 16540 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-231-244.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361123543 954067 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-166-9.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1361123608 128927 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish LotR. I hadn’t even heard about it existing. :-D http://youtu.be/Koj0V7G46fs?t=5m52s < 1361123851 46696 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "Finished [reading] LotR" < 1361123863 194757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which changes the meaning entirely < 1361124054 472969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, finland < 1361124081 856783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What, you didn't know about that show? < 1361124084 960565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird. < 1361124114 518930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an impressive opening. < 1361124435 59734 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361124447 637269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1361124631 400520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the guy's reaction to being garotted < 1361124669 598887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's like "huh why is my head moving backward" < 1361124680 487045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh right there's a string around my neck" < 1361124843 971029 :mp98!~mp98@197.106.246.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361124902 187639 :mp98!~mp98@197.106.246.228 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1361125902 365032 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1361126742 413583 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1361126764 849691 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.152.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1361126811 389944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I would watch that if the subtitles weren't in Comic Sans. < 1361126854 61097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: comic sans for spoiler tags < 1361126871 106593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's all part of the style < 1361127437 744782 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1361127972 446059 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361128954 67978 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Y'ALL DON'T NEED NO PRIVATE KEYS TO PUSH TO THIS REPO | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1361130030 450161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr' < 1361130031 900735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: foldr' < 1361130032 149090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1361130032 149191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : BS.foldr' (imported from Data.ByteString), < 1361130158 806697 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361130442 303121 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361130442 545061 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361131353 742463 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1361131394 242588 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1361131394 505370 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1361131409 772051 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad that I don't understand a thing from this: http://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html#categorical ? < 1361131431 899813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1361131434 249197 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1361131444 808220 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1361131453 888809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1361131465 56783 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because elliott said so < 1361131511 823439 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I don't understand a thing from it either < 1361131537 121991 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not to understand about it < 1361131542 552784 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is weird < 1361131563 943421 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as a junior haskell programmer (probably not even) it's pretty hard < 1361131577 775350 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea actually is that you don't understand it, until you are at the said level < 1361131626 548572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _head ?~ "" < 1361131628 224896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (t0 -> t0)) < 1361131628 470326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M26650... < 1361131634 256479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?~) < 1361131635 879344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASetter s t a (Maybe b) -> b -> s -> t < 1361131652 461170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: nah, look at the last one < 1361131654 598311 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan> :t (?~) < 1361131669 921261 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :arising from a use of `M26650 < 1361131672 703648 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok, I get thatone < 1361131677 723978 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's so meaningful < 1361131681 639559 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think someone not knowing haskell also does < 1361131720 117037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (?~) is a setter < 1361131728 328057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "" ^? _head < 1361131730 517290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1361131744 471761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.empty & ix "abc" ?~ Just 123 < 1361131746 609144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [] < 1361131747 994127 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is weird and its algebraic type system is even weirder < 1361131754 296193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what. < 1361131758 361569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1361131760 403646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M. & at "abc" ?~ Nothing < 1361131762 105567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:4: parse error on input `&' < 1361131762 950483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.empty & at "abc" ?~ Nothing < 1361131764 772240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [("abc",Nothing)] < 1361131765 570668 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" & _head ?~ 'Y' & id <>~ "w" < 1361131766 779850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1361131767 39220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `Data.Maybe.Maybe... < 1361131777 604627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.singleton "abc" 123 & at "abc" ?~ 123 < 1361131778 14706 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I guess some stuff is weirder than Haskell though < 1361131779 938572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [("abc",123)] < 1361131783 420658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i forget i'm an idiot < 1361131817 637751 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good that you remember now ;> < 1361131826 771846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this "evolution" thing, i'm disappointed by the "teaching Haskell to freshmen" comment on the tenured professor. without it, it would be a better joke of "no longer has to be pretentious", i think. < 1361131866 608480 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: um i think you'll find that it's things that aren't haskell that are weird < 1361131897 437283 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say that haskell is the weirdest thing i saw < 1361131923 370754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds like wishful thinking :P < 1361131958 160276 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in C++, you can write function() try { } catch { } < 1361131963 438082 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found that out recently < 1361131973 311243 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note you'd have to write catch(something)) < 1361131988 612501 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ does not exist for me :D < 1361132007 194774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit i just start looking at something slightly brain-requiring (lenses), and like clockwork the housemate makes a phone call. < 1361132016 712638 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: That's like denying the holocaust. < 1361132024 901936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1361132030 558041 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, because C++ is almost that bad, AnotherTest < 1361132036 156522 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1361132041 134811 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ha you got it < 1361132051 159853 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1361132055 791420 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you are the only man alive who can program in Fueue, you should be able to understand lenses < 1361132184 592959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just play edwardk's lens video really loud < 1361132185 718959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can. but the house has to be quiet. < 1361132207 932529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: huh? can you elaborate on that syntax? < 1361132240 898588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: that sounds like wishful thinking :P <-- i thought that was sort of the point of tenure, at least the american version... < 1361132261 690988 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's a shorthand for function { try { } catch(something) { } } < 1361132263 152975 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1361132274 248530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I was trying to make some joke about you wanting to believe you could stop being pretentious with tenure or something < 1361132277 566327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am bad at joke < 1361132289 908396 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it falls off }, it rethrows < 1361132290 143740 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1361132290 813108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O( )KAY < 1361132295 959153 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only happens when it's in a constructor < 1361132314 588384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the house has to be quiet? < 1361132316 288723 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a normal function, it will return when going out of scope, and for a constructor it will rethrow < 1361132338 187112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if i am to think properly, yes. < 1361132359 587645 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that when living with fiance < 1361132375 542370 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more thinking < 1361132552 881228 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/lens/3.8.5/doc/html/Control-Lens-Internal-Bazaar.html < 1361132608 511555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that's the bestest starting point for learning about lenses < 1361132630 699865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1361132645 549774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you are joking, as the alternative would require me to kill you now. < 1361132659 91652 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad to see that Bazaar has a Bizarre instance nowadays < 1361132667 808875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is edwardk's fault < 1361132687 571579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that class | thing mean < 1361132698 474386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried finding out the other day and failed miserably < 1361132708 47740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: functional dependencies < 1361132712 786413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the type/typeclass or the lens library? < 1361132715 790638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b c -> d e f mean that the choice of a,b,c determine d,e,f < 1361132719 941470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: both < 1361132744 226087 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even try to visualize what are you talking about < 1361132750 643807 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lens < 1361132763 808207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1361132837 638201 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1361133167 900226 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional equivalent of reference < 1361133169 578521 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1361133263 810830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes the pun in "Bazaar". i guess because it was written out explicitly in that link. < 1361133284 585715 :mekeor!~user@dslb-088-067-136-034.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: goo nigh < 1361133306 977741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^?) < 1361133308 598198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting (First a) s t a b -> Maybe a < 1361133329 261988 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Karkat function. < 1361133339 758041 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, what is that. What are Getting and First? < 1361133372 897064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :First is from Data.Monoid < 1361133455 854441 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, it's the "Maybe monoid returning the leftmost non-Nothing value". < 1361133486 871491 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look, a functor from Set to Mon!) < 1361133501 854145 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Getting, then? < 1361133503 665590 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index Getting < 1361133503 938537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt < 1361133507 964819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "why the heck isn't that the Monoid instance for Maybe itself, anyway?" < 1361133532 535431 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because there's also Last. Not that that's a great reason. < 1361133545 789331 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I bet there's a natrual transformation from First to Last. < 1361133553 222097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fold < 1361133554 762316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Foldable t, Monoid m) => t m -> m < 1361133574 320500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Because the correct Monoid instance is Semigroup a => Monoid (Maybe a) < 1361133578 761927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that one exists. < 1361133599 151703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway: type Getting r s t a b -> (a -> Const r b) -> s -> Const r t < 1361133619 646541 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's Const? < 1361133645 79190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const r b is r, wrapped. < 1361133658 857722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arrrr < 1361133659 259738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avast! < 1361133673 146209 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's equivalent to r. < 1361133684 970637 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isomorphic, even, isn't it... < 1361133689 459862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used here because it makes Getting a special case of the type of Lens < 1361133693 633062 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mconcat [Just "hello ", Nothing, Just "monoids!"] < 1361133694 962241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just "hello monoids!" < 1361133718 95450 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think something silly may be going on. < 1361133727 426621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, because it's how you use a Lens as a Getter, which is sort of equivalent) < 1361133780 311060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:34:23 * oerjan suddenly realizes the pun in "Bazaar". i guess because it was written out explicitly in that link. < 1361133791 618056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lens' puns aren't quite... puns < 1361133797 49159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more like excuses < 1361133843 32353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1361133856 106863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well there is also Market and Exchange < 1361133866 538150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1361133927 621422 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a market in Hexham and there used to be an exchange but now it's a cafe thing < 1361133947 854188 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there also a type called Cafe? < 1361133977 537120 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cafe s t a b < 1361133977 778005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1361134101 928667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _head < 1361134103 380703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons (->) f s s a a => LensLike' f s a < 1361134126 563152 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty good one, oerjan. < 1361134172 553786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure whether Bike is referring to _head or his message < 1361134321 914339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [1,2,3] ^. _head < 1361134323 581635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Num t, Monoid t) => t < 1361134428 859155 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_head is just a traversal < 1361134452 4859 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means (^.) needs a monoid < 1361134457 820777 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [] ^. _head :: String < 1361134459 11963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :String < 1361134461 808836 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [] ^. _head :: String < 1361134463 584076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "" < 1361134466 550794 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [] ^. _head :: Int < 1361134467 813555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Monoid.Monoid GHC.Types.Int) < 1361134468 59714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1361134593 317023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _head %%~ pure < 1361134594 933970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Cons (->) f t t b b) => t -> f t < 1361134614 117616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _head %%~ pure $ [1,2,3] < 1361134616 68353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (f0 [t0])) < 1361134616 355577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M699807... < 1361134627 325082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _head %%~ (:[]) $ [1,2,3] < 1361134629 325567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3]] < 1361134640 196620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what < 1361134684 852392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that "always returns the same number of elements" thing < 1361134724 867068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%%~) < 1361134726 125152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overloading p q f s t a b -> p a (f b) -> q s (f t) < 1361134749 507290 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1361134752 773587 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's just id < 1361134753 51515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1361134758 72045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (%%~) = traverseOf = id < 1361134758 349948 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1361134768 708840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _head (:[]) [1,2,3] < 1361134770 586317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3]] < 1361134772 954734 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _head (:[]) < 1361134774 184852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons (->) [] s s a a => s -> [s] < 1361134781 814326 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _head (:[]) "hello" < 1361134782 100815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> traverse %%~ (:[]) $ [1,2,3] < 1361134783 708109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1361134784 653504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["hello"] < 1361134787 238073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> traverse %%~ (:[]) $ [1,2,3] < 1361134790 187431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3]] < 1361134801 959340 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1361134803 361084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This paper also shows how Scala’s type system conspires with implicits to enable, and even surpass, many common extensions of the Haskell type class system, making Scala ideally suited for generic programming in the large. < 1361134803 598965 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1361134808 489975 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably read this < 1361134814 43738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thank you for answering a question i'm not caring about < 1361134824 89125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ask monqy about scala's many benefits over haskell < 1361134834 553627 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4039 < 1361134835 578688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I don't see how this is related to "always returns the same number of elements"?? i'm confused < 1361134835 831796 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck scala fuck scala fuck scala < 1361134845 406119 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, um, hm? Why? < 1361134855 367340 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know if it's easy in a C copiler to reorder the operations to group as much memory read/writes together as possible?? like, group all the math operations and conditionals together, and then once in a while do a whole group of just memory accesses < 1361134855 630531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just too powerful for monqy < 1361134859 939353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he needs good old typeclasses < 1361134897 193185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hum < 1361134968 62534 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: have you ever used scala < 1361134972 140032 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a RISC cpu design with no cache(!) < 1361134983 267567 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read some Scala documentation, never really used Scala though < 1361134986 26579 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure you havent, because if you had, you'd know the True Heck that is scala < 1361135002 801108 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, the piles and piles of syntax? < 1361135010 510691 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1361135014 330293 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1361135016 321046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta like how esolangs are all about adding weird syntax < 1361135032 606567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^?) < 1361135034 443368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting (First a) s t a b -> Maybe a < 1361135045 503690 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that there's special syntax for delimited continuations. < 1361135052 989067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has that too its called do notation < 1361135078 458902 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem is that when you have to do memory accesses, they have to do them on another mem page than where the instructions are, which has a penalty (3 cycles RAS/CAS access instead of 1 cycle CAS only), and then once the read/write is done, you have to load up the next opcode, which is also on another memory page and also gets the 3 cycle instead of 1 penalty < 1361135081 115618 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do notation is ugly compared to shift/reset imo < 1361135086 999026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf [1,2,3] (:[]) _head < 1361135088 943909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `p0 a0 (Control.Lens.Internal.Getter.Accessor < 1361135089 229522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1361135099 600874 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/urso/embeddedmonads < 1361135101 606010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldMapOf < 1361135102 617702 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift/reset? < 1361135103 959054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => Accessing p r s t a b -> p a r -> s -> r < 1361135106 332147 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldMapOf < 1361135108 113996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => Accessing p r s t a b -> p a r -> s -> r < 1361135127 244498 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get those types with profunctors < 1361135129 981193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf _head (:[]) [1,2,3] < 1361135132 422003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1] < 1361135135 266946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1361135138 980976 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I did just a standard load/store RISC cpu, the alu/jmp ops would take 1 cycle but the memory IO would take a massive 6 cycles < 1361135155 211971 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf _tail (:[]) [3,4,5] < 1361135157 462813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[4,5]] < 1361135178 595464 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf _1 (:[]) [3,4,5] < 1361135180 521661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Control.Lens.Tuple.Field1 [t1] t0 a b0) < 1361135180 803771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from t... < 1361135258 849109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t elementOf < 1361135260 476683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Indexable Int p) => LensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Indexed.Indexing f) s t a a -> Int -> p a (f a) -> s -> f t < 1361135306 476538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hapenned to simple types like [a] -> Int -> a < 1361135337 507378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ghc's fault that the types look complex because it likes to reduce away type synonyms for no reason < 1361135354 202754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf (elementOf id 2) (:[]) [1,2,3] < 1361135356 43194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1361135358 682535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1361135395 725354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it doesn't do anything to the type... < 1361135397 251975 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1361135437 68124 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1361135464 246250 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, what's wrong with Scala? < 1361135498 484997 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god so many things < 1361135500 399825 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you try it for yourself < 1361135500 689402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf (elementOf traverse 2) (:[]) [1,2,3] < 1361135502 630530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3] < 1361135514 328109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that doesnt really fit into the sgeo language workflow < 1361135514 610084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scala's type system is the illegitimate child of haskell's and java's < 1361135592 140843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf (element 2) (:[]) [1,2,3] -- had an abbreviation < 1361135594 93291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3] < 1361135608 750541 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh come on. I've written real Haskell and Tcl programs. < 1361135631 809296 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Ruby, once < 1361135641 940948 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have used Python or Haskell for that one though < 1361135674 479346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMapOf (elements even) (:[]) ['a'..'z'] < 1361135676 554832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "acegikmoqsuwy" < 1361135680 112532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 3 is a smaller number than a really big number < 1361135685 627086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooooooooooo < 1361135693 698311 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also smaller than four. < 1361135706 664540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm not sure about that. < 1361135717 529637 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 3<_ < 1361135717 810507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> comparing length "three" "four" < 1361135718 92691 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: 1 < 1361135719 418659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1361135733 223015 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about four, not "four". < 1361135738 953524 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1361135749 987777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> comparing length "three" four < 1361135751 865188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `four' < 1361135752 152935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `Data.Traversable.for' (imported fr... < 1361135753 917574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> comparing length "three" four < 1361135756 898664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `four' < 1361135757 188011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `Data.Traversable.for' (imported fr... < 1361135758 39495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1361135761 655173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was 3, not "three" < 1361135762 717533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1361135763 858643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15:46 @let "four" = four < 1361135764 148891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15:48 :5:10: < 1361135764 149085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15:48 Not in scope: `four' < 1361135764 149195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15:48 Perhaps you meant `Data.Traversable.for' (imported from Data.Traversable) < 1361135766 114488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare 3 four < 1361135767 967551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a genius < 1361135770 497747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1361135776 681445 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're incomparable. < 1361135776 967165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1361135778 327631 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool. < 1361135778 615304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare 3 four < 1361135782 131253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1361135787 963789 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is inconsistent. < 1361135798 308003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconsistent *and* incomplete. < 1361135804 429284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of deal did we get here, anyway? < 1361135838 844394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> elements even %~ toUpper $ ['a'..'z'] < 1361135841 55049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "AbCdEfGhIjKlMnOpQrStUvWxYz" < 1361135877 251765 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of `WeLcOmE < 1361135905 684541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE test < 1361135914 942914 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeSt: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1361135924 797197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems identical < 1361135945 223745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> elements even %~ toUpper $ "irc.dahl.net" < 1361135947 302174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "IrC.DaHl.nEt" < 1361135965 623783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, WeLcOmE also downcases the others, i think < 1361135991 334434 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> elements odd %~ toUpper $ ['a'..'z'] < 1361135993 415810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aBcDeFgHiJkLmNoPqRsTuVwXyZ" < 1361136013 467145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> traversed %@~ if' even toUpper toLower "ABCdef" < 1361136015 542794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: if' < 1361136015 828754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant f' (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect) < 1361136023 686628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> traversed %@~ (\i -> if even i then toUpper else toLower) "ABCdef" < 1361136025 711349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> b0' < 1361136025 997545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `GHC.... < 1361136026 336941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1361136028 423286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> traversed %@~ (\i -> if even i then toUpper else toLower) $ "ABCdef" < 1361136030 626779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "AbCdEf" < 1361136122 841243 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> traversed %@~ (cycle [toUpper,toLower] !!) $ "ABCdef" < 1361136124 982631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "AbCdEf" < 1361136155 569324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch zipWith ($) is more efficient in that case < 1361136170 764338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly list indexing is really expensive. < 1361136180 696948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allocates a bunch of tuples and annoying things like that. < 1361136191 71550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should make it use unboxed tuples < 1361136198 140949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't. < 1361136202 192818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect a simple use of traversed + (%@~) gets inlined < 1361136215 491269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but traversed is expensive even if you don't use the index. < 1361136217 936601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~10x < 1361136255 193675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I suspect the allocation gets inlined away. < 1361136285 654516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1361136294 398908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allocates a tuple for every element of the list. < 1361136307 875747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, indexing is implemented by traversing it with something like State Int. < 1361136367 370369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean when you're monomorphic on the container type. < 1361136434 63176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1361136441 518107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1361136458 591153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it change when you're monomorphic over the container type? < 1361136477 86035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does (traversed %@~ (\i -> if even i then toUpper else toLower)) have to allocate any tuples? < 1361136480 143627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it all gets inlined. < 1361136494 505074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use it as String -> String. < 1361136498 936881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in fixing the Traversable instance. < 1361136551 252925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still going to traverse it with State Int to figure out the indices. < 1361136560 478263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But traverse can be inlined. < 1361136605 598589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, and then what? < 1361136618 429416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that you have to traverse it with *lazy* State. < 1361136632 523794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use an unboxed tuple there because then it fails with infinite lists and such. < 1361136908 983605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1361136943 76559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1361136980 392725 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1361137430 65434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/18pik4/i_am_astronaut_chris_hadfield_currently_orbiting/ < 1361138010 383818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how funny would it be if that turned out to be fake < 1361138067 737143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not especially, i guess < 1361138132 625283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how funny would it be if it turned out we have people in space < 1361138278 220498 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-6-176.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1361138415 651408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t reuse _Cons < 1361138417 611268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MonadState (b, t) m, Cons Control.Lens.Internal.Review.Reviewed Identity s t a b) => m t < 1361139374 71378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (??) < 1361139379 380950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1361139414 271445 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [\x -> x*x] ?? 3 < 1361139418 395054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [9 < 1361139427 171344 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That got printed out weirdly o.o < 1361139428 187942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1361139434 986097 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1361139451 53357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it would be funny if he made it sound like the space station was under attack by alien monsters < 1361139456 725187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [\x -> x*x] ?? 3 < 1361139458 822400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [9] < 1361139463 498743 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1361139491 821951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should watch that terrible movie where (spoiler alert) it turns out that moon rocks are alien monsters < 1361139516 323490 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1361139518 661657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the type basically tells you what the function does < 1361139552 61322 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder < 1361139556 110917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in this case it actually does tell you < 1361139565 391635 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [*] ?? 3 ?? 4 < 1361139567 91818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:3: parse error on input `]' < 1361139573 611825 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(*)] ?? 3 ?? 4 < 1361139575 1974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, there's only one function of that type obeying the laws < 1361139575 705023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [12] < 1361139578 681138 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1361139579 151382 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1361139581 401321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens sometimes with functors < 1361139666 476183 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1361139667 800969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((++) ?? "foo") "bar" < 1361139670 857908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "barfoo" < 1361139681 462781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(??) is a generalization of flip :) < 1361139700 94091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (??) < 1361139701 413042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1361139777 821110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i shouldn't have said "obeying the laws" because that's the job of the Functor instance and not the function using Functor < 1361139806 365750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm thinking of free theorems and the fact that they only work on law-abiding instances < 1361139914 301723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(??) feels to me like something from applicative < 1361140100 873630 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1361140104 804475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so wait how is that a generalisation of flip... < 1361140178 411195 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens to be flip for functions < 1361140196 636203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what value of f makes it into flip < 1361140209 721020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) r < 1361140220 291215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh, right < 1361140234 981448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying it with (->) and getting immensely confused < 1361140302 331806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how it works with ((,) a) < 1361140363 363278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c, a -> b) -> a -> (c, b) < 1361140365 141279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one way it can work < 1361140378 901414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right < 1361140391 641559 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3, (*)) ?? 4 ?? 5 < 1361140398 442999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1361140398 649687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1361140407 412742 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lambdabot is flaky < 1361140433 301559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, you are assuming the laws when you say that. < 1361140445 601374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. without the laws, you could fmap id a few times and get a different result. < 1361140446 181205 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1361140465 792077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3, (3*)) ?? 4 ?? 5 < 1361140469 261202 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3, (3*)) ?? 4 < 1361140472 829949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1361140473 27551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1361140475 882021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1361140525 111153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You mean "law" singular. < 1361140551 891896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean laws. Though you do get the other one for free here. < 1361140568 711939 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1361140581 531270 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-166-9.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah < 1361140585 361581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are many laws you get for free that we just take for granted. < 1361140590 144741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So we should probably just take them all for granted.) < 1361140605 221455 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info (??) < 1361140605 951730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(??) < 1361140615 431695 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3, (3*)) ?? 4 < 1361140622 141404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1361140629 42227 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it undefined :/ < 1361140640 692255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't like you. < 1361140678 103340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ifoldMap replicate "testing" < 1361140685 293599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1361140687 281733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ifoldMap replicate "testing" < 1361140693 81962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1361140703 202111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + 2 < 1361140705 771942 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lambdabot is exploding < 1361140708 431546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits lambdabot with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1361140709 741908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1361140709 948456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1361140713 841141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did halite do something < 1361140761 501594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "x" < 1361140767 932589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1361140951 721524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "a" < 1361140958 469453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1361140970 341958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is lispy's fault < 1361140975 131421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cpu is used up by ld < 1361140982 145422 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1361140982 951030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :linkspy < 1361141006 211369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAN HIM OK < 1361141196 21328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 < 1361141200 842124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1361141202 891996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 < 1361141204 801504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1361141207 901909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 < 1361141209 717487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1361141211 411363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HTH HAND < 1361141233 122833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1361141236 321839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ifoldMap replicate "testing" < 1361141239 651054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "esstttiiiinnnnngggggg" < 1361141262 212918 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ifoldMap < 1361141265 181428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monoid m, FoldableWithIndex i f) => (i -> a -> m) -> f a -> m < 1361141533 401653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> imapM replicate "abcd" < 1361141535 451996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1361141539 951810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1361141547 461569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> imapM (replicate.succ) "abcd" < 1361141550 309186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["abcd","abcd","abcd","abcd","abcd","abcd","abcd","abcd","abcd","abcd","abc... < 1361141618 482057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3, (3*)) ?? 4 < 1361141620 482261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,12) < 1361141622 670046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1361141632 901342 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3, (*)) ?? 4 ?? 5 < 1361141634 982408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,20) < 1361141681 414250 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip (,) < 1361141682 867536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> a -> (a, b) < 1361141747 301625 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip (,) $ 3 < 1361141748 942050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num b => a -> (a, b) < 1361142062 268993 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how difficult sustained terrestrial microgravity would be. < 1361142088 362354 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. build an evacuated magnetic levitation tube going all the way around the earth, and accelerate a vehicle within it to the appropriate speed. < 1361142471 751850 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, you'd want the tube to go over as little water as possible. < 1361142680 242018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :build it underground? < 1361142685 162975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably have to be too deep < 1361143427 4953 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be worth it < 1361143439 192655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "worth it" < 1361143646 468697 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate "a" < 1361143648 262343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1361143648 469327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ... < 1361143665 2238 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 2 < 1361143666 812746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (a0 -> [a0])) < 1361143667 19124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M388... < 1361143751 462167 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 2 2 < 1361143753 617963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,2] < 1361143754 52738 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 2 2 < 1361143755 712776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,2] < 1361143769 322495 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1361143801 172778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate -1 2 < 1361143803 542458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> GHC.Types.Int -> a -> [a])) < 1361143803 748940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising... < 1361143818 41806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww < 1361143897 22119 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 200 $ replicate 200 "wee" < 1361143898 873708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","wee","... < 1361143903 632402 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1361143913 766734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee < 1361143923 62601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ps its (-1) < 1361143925 812921 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1361143953 332412 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 384 wees to go < 1361143959 853060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate (-1) 2 < 1361143961 202796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1361143989 43348 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, 387 < 1361144007 314072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that seems kind of weird < 1361144034 963109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replicate -1 2 is (replicate - 1) 2 < 1361144057 883200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1361144077 23265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just surprised i hadn't heard of it before, it seems Kind of a Big Deal < 1361144102 707298 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> negate 2 < 1361144104 763210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2 < 1361144136 382481 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why J > Haskell < 1361144165 852850 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has almost no syntax < 1361144178 284242 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, haskell has plenty of syntax < 1361144191 85077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp has almost no syntax < 1361144195 812841 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes weird things with operators and infix context < 1361144245 134045 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: haskell looks the same but with indentation instead of parens < 1361144262 773276 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1361144265 643039 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that macros count as syntax < 1361144278 253128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp has plenty of syntax < 1361144280 223739 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax that can be added, but still syntax < 1361144280 430588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell does have stuff like case and guards < 1361144282 272559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has little syntax < 1361144287 259978 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to most language < 1361144288 744061 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1361144289 42304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it (let (x 3) (y 4) ...) or is it (let ((x 3) (y 4)) ...) ? < 1361144298 22218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: latter < 1361144300 82489 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter < 1361144302 882723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: CL does one and Scheme does the other < 1361144308 865956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1361144310 962513 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1361144312 712417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was a sincere question < 1361144312 918852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's syntax < 1361144313 762354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was confused < 1361144315 621010 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was just to point out that that's a syntax question < 1361144315 912296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i didnt read context) < 1361144319 992370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1361144324 117042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract syntax is still syntax < 1361144325 622031 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses common lisp anyway < 1361144331 902791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that concludes your canned rant < 1361144337 402935 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more i read about common lisp the more i hate it < 1361144351 505613 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme looks more pleasant < 1361144352 102819 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's anything that kmc could say that I would disagree with. < 1361144362 545576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: obviously you're just an idiot drone because CL programmers are 50x more productive and sexy and the proof of this is hiding... right over here < 1361144366 962380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs off < 1361144367 712579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"second life sucks" < 1361144377 242684 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is more pleasant... but there's less stuff in it? "who uses lisp anyway" < 1361144380 622645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the second life programming language is the worst < 1361144388 683607 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, can't disagree with that. < 1361144395 26097 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1361144402 5203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the only good thing to come from activeworlds was shamus young" < 1361144404 412634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo doesn't like any programming languages < 1361144405 122952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew a guy who did behavioral econ experiments in SL and that was his conclusion < 1361144411 593006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does elliott, but possibly for different reasons? < 1361144434 702629 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott likes haskell!! < 1361144437 952603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I like some programming languages < 1361144440 752809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: not really < 1361144443 62557 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no programming language that has 0 syntax < 1361144444 104254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean it's okay < 1361144453 203676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if lisp has almost no syntax then lisp is just a language for specifying trees, not a language for specifying programs < 1361144454 92992 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, sure there is? Well, hmm. < 1361144466 132529 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language where every program means do nothing. < 1361144488 172252 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All possible strings are legal programs in this language. < 1361144491 22695 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the syntax is "every program does nothing" < 1361144491 892717 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does that count as syntax? < 1361144515 702527 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds like philosophy < 1361144522 515698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, how is that different from a language with 0 syntax < 1361144534 220260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to claim that there's a perfectly sharp line between syntax and semantics, but i think any definition of "semantics" which includes the number of parens in let is designed for winning arguments rather than understanding things < 1361144567 153531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang idea: Esolang where that sort of thing is... now I'm confused < 1361144576 812410 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like a language with minimal syntax that could change itself freely in runtime < 1361144579 12665 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to push it into more distinctly semantic territory... somehow < 1361144588 562769 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I've seen something like that < 1361144588 864037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i prefer scheme's way, because a) it seems more regular, and b) it allows an implicit begin/progn < 1361144591 862281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: TeX < 1361144600 262644 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tex is distorted lisp < 1361144602 202642 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean TeX < 1361144629 879450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX is a language where a string can do everything < 1361144632 143258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Which one of those is supposed to be Scheme? < 1361144634 293605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no < 1361144638 518960 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not TeX < 1361144640 502812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks to me like it's the latter for both of them. < 1361144641 540500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (let ((x 3) (y 4)) ...) < 1361144645 573284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that's beside the point.) < 1361144649 962535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's interesting that scheme has the implicit progn, for being the less imperative language < 1361144651 932547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, "both of them"? < 1361144658 762634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1361144663 712649 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i think that Ian Piumarta showcased something like that < 1361144668 129612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both CL and Scheme use the latter < 1361144687 792471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah although i'm not sure if scheme is "really" less imperative or if it's just that most people who have learned any Scheme learned it in intro CS while most people who have learned CL have written a "real" program in it < 1361144705 72254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i may be mistaken < 1361144716 714140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm thinking of clojure for the former < 1361144723 792595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1361144729 992527 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure is (let [a 1 b 2] ...) < 1361144730 199274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh clojure does (let [x 1 y 2] ...) < 1361144735 142876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even differenter < 1361144758 982657 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like it, the [] is expected to be used in different places and with a different vague meaning than () < 1361144759 582683 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, it's a rule that tells you something about which programs are valid < 1361144775 393032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: is the difference observable past the reader stage? < 1361144783 232672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do Scheme/CL do the double-parentheses thing, anyway? < 1361144787 333854 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes < 1361144795 193324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, [] is a vector < 1361144805 17403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's some predicate which tells you whether a given quoted s-expr was made with [] or ()? < 1361144825 793800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gross to not have two parens < 1361144830 613865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sacrificing structure < 1361144835 73010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making it implicit instead < 1361144842 922598 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.28.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with 0 syntax would be one where valid programs don't exist at all, maybe. but arguably "valid programs don't exist" is also a syntax rule < 1361144851 623406 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, there exists such a predicate, but the difference goes beyond that < 1361144852 792346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means e.g. it's harder to see the structure from the parens (the literal whole point), indentation/alignment/etc. become less simple < 1361144860 523696 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+ 1 2] does not do (+ 1 2) < 1361144861 202689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :program trnasformation is harder < 1361144862 153028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& so on & so forth < 1361144896 204307 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] gets read as a vector, which is a different data structure, and there are predicates to find out exactly what data structure < 1361144929 283296 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : &[+ 1 2] < 1361144929 532989 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⇒ [# 1 2] < 1361144970 273833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read "literal white point" and was confused < 1361144990 545879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vectors have fast random access yeah? < 1361144999 118469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fandom access < 1361145009 792798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems weird to say "function argument should be specified by a structure with fast random access" solely for syntactic reasons < 1361145012 652783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1361145290 133777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Florida Man Too Fat For Jail < 1361145295 372964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what he was arrested for < 1361145311 803090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damage to property? < 1361145319 393015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stealing food < 1361145398 884601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he literally too big to fit in the cells or sth < 1361145423 982866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/04/florida_man_too_fat_for_jail.php < 1361145442 616534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is courtesy https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan of course < 1361145443 63308 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : yikes < 1361145466 813134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jolicur avoided jail because it would be too expensive to house him... The cost of bringing him to trial alone would be thousands of dollars." < 1361145501 233233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Florida Man Accidentally Dials 911 While Trying To Call Tech Support, Gets Busted For Marijuana Grow Operation