00:00:51 -!- sirdancealot7 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:01:55 -!- sirdancealot7 has joined. 00:02:44 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:09:13 -!- carado has joined. 00:16:22 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:41:34 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 00:48:26 -!- HackEgo has joined. 00:58:01 -!- sirdancealot7 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:02:06 ^show rev 01:02:06 >,[>,]<[.<] 01:04:27 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 01:07:33 ooh HackEgo is back 01:07:59 All hail Hack, the Lord of Ego. 01:11:28 ^echo `list 01:11:28 `list `list 01:11:33 Aw. 01:11:37 cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo 01:11:37 Taneb has to do it. 01:11:46 @ask Taneb you have to do it 01:11:47 Consider it noted. 01:12:09 -!- monqy has joined. 01:12:36 @tell shachaf aren't you afraid to upset the deity of semantics? 01:12:36 Consider it noted. 01:12:47 @clear-messages 01:12:48 Messages cleared. 01:19:02 `run echo test | fueue '>,[>,]<[.<]:)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(]' 01:19:05 FUEUE: UNKNOWN > OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN , OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN > OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN , OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN . OP \ test \ яяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяя 01:19:12 ok... 01:19:21 oops :P 01:19:51 `run echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(]' 01:19:53 вЂ‹.test \ яяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяя 01:20:08 ouch 01:20:32 ...of course. 01:20:43 `echo echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(]' 01:20:44 echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~ 01:20:45 Гї is latin-1 for 255, isn't it? 01:20:53 oops 01:21:00 ais523: quite possibly 01:21:01 ^ord Гї 01:21:02 195 191 01:21:08 Hmm. 01:21:12 `ord Гї 01:21:14 255 01:21:21 ais523: i think that's just EOF from the automatic cat that tends to happen 01:21:37 oerjan: yeah, it's probably interpreting EOF as (char)EOF, which is Гї 01:21:44 given reasonable assumptions about how stdio works 01:21:54 Automatic cat? Is that from a sequel to _The Door Into Summer_? 01:22:05 ais523: it's just the result from getc() in C 01:22:09 oerjan: yeah 01:22:11 but getc() returns int 01:22:29 shachaf: fueue programs act as cat (but ignoring EOF) whenever they lock up 01:22:42 oerjan: have you read the door into summer 01:22:48 i don't think so 01:22:50 "you should read it imo" 01:23:24 short science fiction book by heinlein 01:25:39 this is going to be dangerously close to irc line limits... 01:27:07 `echo echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]' 01:27:09 echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~ 01:27:14 oops 01:27:18 `run echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]' 01:27:20 test \ яяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяяя 01:27:25 darn 01:27:38 `?hh fueue 01:27:40 fueue? ВЇ\(В°_o)/ВЇ 01:27:49 @whatis fueue ? 01:27:49 I know nothing about fueue. 01:27:57 argh. 01:28:07 the program fit, but was buggy :( 01:28:25 ok time for a simpler program first 01:28:30 hmmвЂ¦ is HackEgo turning into the new EgoBot? 01:28:50 ais523: well EgoBot doesn't have C precompilation features... 01:29:02 also there's some sort of intention to merge them 01:29:10 -!- zzo38 has left. 01:29:12 I mean, you could actually add these languages to EgoBot the intended way 01:29:55 i would have to either ask Gregor to include them, or have it recompile the interpreter every time 01:30:23 I would request that you try to put new things in HackEgo. 01:30:23 is "it" refering to Gregor? 01:30:28 And if they can't work there, then tell me why. 01:31:02 "it" refers to the EgoBot userinterps system 01:31:59 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:32:02 Gregor: the one thing that is missing is being able to pass a url to an interpreter with one line 01:32:40 'struth >_> 01:32:51 -!- Slereah has joined. 01:34:36 http://blog.volema.com/curl-rce.html great 01:34:54 the other thing that is missing is reasonable performance 01:35:00 right now !c on HackEgo is kind of untenable 01:35:12 *EgoBot 01:35:40 -!- azaq23 has joined. 01:35:42 c on HackEgo allows you to compile things for later use 01:35:54 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 01:36:25 -!- azaq23 has joined. 01:36:33 i wouldn't suggest we use HackEgo _exactly_ the same way as EgoBot when it _does_ have additional flexibility in how to call programs and save results 01:37:25 oerjan: your correction is _completely_ wrong. 01:37:42 I am responding to Gregor's attempt to get rid of EgoBot and merge it into HackEgo, which is agreeable in theory 01:37:51 `interp c printf("foo\n"); 01:38:09 Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: for 01:38:14 well the fact it doesn't actually _work_ is a different problem... 01:38:20 ^^Вґ 01:38:49 it would be much slower than !c even if it worked :P 01:39:45 well i have no idea what it is trying to do. but i've used gcc on HackEgo just fine, that's how i got fueue there. 01:40:48 "why does cURL speak POP3" you might ask 01:41:04 why not? 01:41:10 can it do IMAP, btw? 01:41:35 i think so 01:43:30 every application expands until it can read mail 01:43:56 kmc: attempts to expand 01:44:04 those which cannot are replaced by those which can 01:45:33 mm 01:52:12 `echo test | fueue ')))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]' 01:52:13 test | fueue ')))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]' 01:52:17 `run echo test | fueue ')))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]' 01:52:30 eep 01:52:30 tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt 01:52:34 yay! 01:56:02 `run echo test | fueue ')))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]' 01:56:09 test 01:56:14 ok that also works 01:57:47 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 02:10:05 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 02:11:56 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:12:08 -!- kmc has set topic: char*a,b[9999];main(){gets(a=b);while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);} | a mutiny of clowns http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 02:30:12 ah there is a subtle synchronization error between the implementations of <> and the implementation of , 02:30:50 or actually it's in , since i already knew about the issue but had compensated for it in other commands 02:37:05 -!- zzo38 has joined. 02:37:51 `run echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[))(($3~)<(][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33H]' 02:37:53 вЂ‹ \ tset 02:37:59 yay! 02:40:19 (that was >,[>,]<[.<] converted from brainfuck to fueue) 02:41:33 :) 02:47:28 @message quintopia I just beat space_hotel by over 10 score :) Can you remember when anticipation2 topped the hill (2012, or 2013)? I want to write about it and about omnipotence 02:47:28 Maybe you meant: messages messages? 02:47:33 @tell quintopia I just beat space_hotel by over 10 score :) Can you remember when anticipation2 topped the hill (2012, or 2013)? 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joined. 04:31:31 -!- sivoais has joined. 04:32:56 oerjan: did you know you are an expert 04:34:23 yay! 04:34:25 on what? 04:34:38 oerjan: topics 04:34:55 did anything exciting happen while I was trawling the vast expanses of netsplittery 04:35:12 other than netsplit analysis 04:35:17 not in the two places i was 04:35:33 it was like a simulation of irl post-apocalypse 04:35:42 truly I will be able to survive even without the aid of bitcoins 04:36:31 i was split with glogbot and Gracenotes, then changed servers and found what seemed to be the US side of the split, which was pretty large 04:36:41 I saw the glogbot/Gracenotes side too 04:36:52 OR AS I STARTED REFERRING TO IT DURING THE FAMINE, "SIDE G" 04:37:06 and ais523 must have been somewhere else, then came here 04:37:24 i guess some EU hub got disconnected 04:39:18 (well it was US + 1 singaporean server + 1 australian server) 04:39:34 so I heard 04:40:28 HOW COULD YOU HEAR IT WHEN I SAID IT HERE 04:40:35 a little monqy told me 04:40:37 (i guess clog was here too) 04:40:57 it's like a little birdy. but. little monqy 04:41:01 wait this joke might be inaccurate 04:41:02 monqy: are you little 04:41:05 uhh 04:41:10 bill gates has his own URL shortener 04:41:11 probably not? 04:41:12 it's b-gat.es 04:41:19 monqy kong 04:41:23 what does probably not mena 04:41:24 sometimes im taller than adults and it's scary 04:41:28 and also, mean 04:41:52 kmc: wow you're not kidding 04:43:01 19:35:38 USA will stay mainly connected, while europe shatters into fragments 04:43:05 this actually happened, irl 04:44:20 monqy: im short but i think i grew but i dont think im taller than adults 04:44:22 thats my contribution 04:44:40 bill gates is p. much the greatest utilitarian who ever lived 04:48:33 -!- augur has joined. 04:48:51 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:49:14 -!- augur has joined. 04:49:19 there are real places called Mechanicsburg O_O https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanicsburg,_Ohio 04:49:31 (for girl genius fans) 04:51:26 five of them, all in the us 04:51:39 well according to wikipedia 04:53:10 * oerjan found another one 05:32:51 ais523: it was last month anticipation2 topped the hill iirc. i've been waiting for you to frickin' write it up. and you make me wish i had time to write my even more omniscient program :P 05:32:52 quintopia: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 05:34:20 quintopia: I just decided to try something out, and it did way better than I expected 05:34:31 then I changed something and it did even better 05:34:49 and then I realized it effectively suicided on tape length 30, and even before then it was beating space_hotel in score/points 05:34:53 (this was all local) 05:35:08 i can't wait to see the writeup :) 05:37:04 !asdf 05:37:40 umm 05:38:03 google.fi is not available but the university webpage is? 05:38:37 shocking 05:38:44 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 05:38:55 google is not down though, right? 05:39:40 not google.no anyway 05:39:49 um 05:39:57 what 05:40:09 i'm starting to wonder if the sun will rise today. 05:40:28 oklopol: if it doesn't, does "today" have meaning? 05:40:29 in norway? doubtful 05:40:37 kmc: no, finland 05:40:53 google.com is down?? 05:41:34 it is quite possible that the google server you are connected to is not very dependent on which domain name you use for it... 05:41:43 works here 05:43:01 fancy when i visit http://www.google.fi/ most of the text is still in norwegian, except for a couple instances of the words "suomi" and "svenska" 05:43:58 oerjan: the google.com is down thing was because i understood "not google.no anyway" as saying google.no doesn't work, because i'm in a very emotional state. 05:44:15 oh. no it works here. 05:44:18 oklopol: hi 05:44:22 hi 05:45:04 are things other than the internet collapsing around you? 05:46:33 google.fi is in finnish for me 05:46:49 google is kind of obnoxious about forcing you to use the 'localized' site 05:51:36 who wants to google things for me :( 05:54:33 i wonder how much it would hurt my performance against other programs to raise the size of that first medium decoy... it certainly trounces omniscience 05:55:11 oklopol: me 05:55:25 quintopia: that's just because omniscience special-cases your decoy setup 05:55:30 kmc: Isn't showing you the localized site by default reasonable? 05:55:40 There's generally a "google.com in English" link at the bottom. 05:55:41 elliott: that's why i decided to make that change to test it 05:56:12 shachaf: google.com is the localized site in english though? 05:56:33 at least you still get very different results than from say US. 05:56:34 i cant imagine it hurting too much. my decoy build used to take two more cycles back when i had it tuned to beat counterpoke 06:07:02 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Gnyte). 06:08:49 quintopia: yeah, I shamelessly special-cased code against space_hotel because I thought I couldn't beat it otherwise 06:09:41 space_hotel is actually not unbeatable with the standard omnipotence strategy, but it requires mindboggingly high amounts of constant tweaking, that leave it helpless against most other programs 06:10:46 omnipotence? 06:10:47 I 06:10:56 One day I should read a guide to BF Joust strategies 06:11:10 Or, well, modern thinking, anyway 06:11:25 modern thinking?? 06:11:28 Doubt that there would be such a thing as a perfect guide. New strategies etc. 06:11:45 I'm not expecting time travel to deliver the perfect solution devised in the future 06:11:49 Is what I mean 06:11:54 modern as opposed to psychic 06:12:14 And as opposed to obsolete I guess 06:12:25 psychic??? 06:12:33 Although I guess some old strategies could make a comeback in an environment unequipped to deal with them 06:12:58 For some reason I used "psychic" to mean "contains knowledge from the future". I'm not sure why. 06:13:10 yes. 06:13:40 question marks???? 06:14:32 Вї 06:15:19 ais523: we could use a new featured language, btw 06:15:44 elliott: I'm writing up BF Joust programs atm 06:15:51 but if you pick one, I'll write the blurb for it once I'm done with this 06:16:42 Sgeo: how are you enjoying #yfl 06:16:57 Haven't looked at it in a bit 06:17:24 ttm did say something that seemed stupid a while ago, but I could have misunderstood what was meant 06:17:31 At any rate, that conversation is long gone 06:25:54 -!- evincar has joined. 06:27:21 So I have an abstraction algorithm. 06:27:21 evincar: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 06:27:25 It is inefficient. :( 06:28:04 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:28:11 Anyone have resources on optimising combinator expressions? 06:32:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:32:51 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 06:32:51 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:35:33 22:30 sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski" 06:37:43 haha, the funny thing is you don't need a follow-up because you can imagine it 06:39:13 `addquote sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski" 06:39:17 960) sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski" 06:41:10 q(h)Г»l-lyaiвЂ™svukЕЎeiвЂ™arpГ®ptГівЂ™ks 06:41:21 "being hard to believe, after allegedly trying to go back to repeatedly inspiring fear using rag-tag groups of suspicious-looking clowns, despite resistance" 06:47:18 some say Ithkuil has several hundred words for repeatedly inspiring fear using rag-tag groups of suspicious-looking clowns 06:50:49 This is a cute sentence. 06:50:54 "IgrawileiЕЈrar oi eglulГґn." 06:51:02 "If only the physician wouldn't eat his food in one gulp like that." 07:08:12 hmm, ithkuil.net seems to be in the wrong order... I have now read through the descriptions of a hundred unpronouncible sounds (chapter 1) and gotten to a table in chapter 2 where everything is a reference to chapter 5 07:09:04 maybe the chapter dependency graph is cyclic 07:09:15 hi monqy 07:09:19 hi shachaf 07:09:27 i saw your valiant efforts in haskell 07:09:29 after this you get to see your first ithkuil words, for example the word for вЂit is/being a representation of the man-made courses/channels of a river that has dried upвЂ™ 07:09:31 which efforts 07:09:37 the functor efforts 07:09:44 oh those efforts 07:09:45 (вЂѕГјaklarЕЎlГЎ) 07:10:05 monqy: do you think i did any good 07:10:13 depends on how you measure good 07:10:28 monqy entertainment value 07:10:49 tough one 07:11:16 -l, indicating NORMAL essence, DELIMITIVE extension, MONADIC perspective, UNIPLEX configuration, and CONSOLIDATIVE affiliation 07:11:28 (that's part of the explanation of the ithkuil word for tree) 07:13:27 what would happen if you tried to teach ithkuil as a first language 07:13:28 quintopia: anyone else who cares: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2013 07:13:38 monqy: thats child abuse......... 07:14:21 elliott: what if you're teaching it to an adult. an adult with no linguistic knowledge. 07:14:33 A feral? 07:14:42 i heard someone tried to teach klingon as a first language but the kid decided it was stupid at like 7 yo 07:14:43 is that what they call them these days 07:14:49 (age 7 pulled out of ass) 07:15:05 decided it was stupid and stopped speaking it 07:15:53 I heard a similar story, I think the primary reason was that no-one else except the kid's father spoke klingon 07:15:57 It's okay as a curiosity but I dunno why you'd ever make your kid. 07:16:10 elliott: apart from Deadfish, which should be left for April, I think the best candidates were all either written by me or suggested by me 07:16:13 what if it's someone else's kid 07:16:18 That is okay. 07:16:22 so you'd better pick one (which might not be any of those) to avoid bias 07:16:29 also it needs to have a decent article 07:16:46 Then you can be the crazy uncle/aunt/park vagrant who teaches them funny words. 07:17:04 Vagrants are sexless you see. 07:17:53 ais523: we should feature Esme sometime 07:18:03 or maybe oklopol's brainfuck derivative whose name I am too lazy to look up right now 07:18:04 I guess I could do Kipple 07:18:15 elliott: not Esme, best left as an injoke that one 07:18:28 IIRC Kipple's article is bad 07:18:40 how about featuring the meta turing completeness page 07:18:42 Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck is the name of the language 07:18:44 my bf derivative is also a bit dangerous, as no one will get that it's a joke 07:18:53 oklofok: that sounds like an advantage 07:18:53 I don't think it has a sufficiently complete article, though 07:19:11 I agree with oklofok here, really 07:19:11 also a few wiki users have seemed to realise that I'm completely irresponsible and would probably frown upon featuring it :( 07:19:12 i should make a reference implementation 07:19:27 > unwords$liftA2(++)inits tails"monqy" 07:19:30 " m mo mon monq monqy monqy onqy nqy qy y " 07:19:49 btw i support featuring Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck 07:19:56 ais523: hmm, I want to say Eodermdrome, but I think it'd be a bad idea for you to write the blurb for your own language 07:20:03 fair enough 07:20:05 for two reasons: one, people would suspect bias; and two, it'd be ten pages long 07:20:19 nah, I'm reasonably concise in blurb-writing 07:20:22 bias is a good point though 07:20:25 ais523 is unbiased 07:20:34 ais523: are you biased 07:20:43 shachaf: there are some things about which I'm biased 07:20:53 I think I have reasonably low bias wrt esolangs, though 07:21:03 -!- Guest92134 has quit. 07:21:07 (ask elliott about my opinions on Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup some time) 07:21:08 GOOGLE WORKS AGAIN 07:21:09 that's just what a biased person would say?? 07:21:16 FUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH 07:21:20 adskljflkdsajflkdsjaf 07:21:22 krhm 07:21:23 excuse me 07:21:36 hope you find out what you needed about that crackpot oklofok 07:21:49 am i a crackpot 07:21:53 shachaf: i too can recommend asking elliott about ais523's opinions on Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 07:22:08 > unwords$((++).inits<*>tails)"monqy" 07:22:09 :=) 07:22:10 I recommend asking about monqy. hi monqy. i love monqys. they are so easy. and Sgeo should learn Ada 07:22:10 " m mo mon monq monqy monqy onqy nqy qy y " 07:22:16 Oh hey, that is the same. 07:22:16 s/about // 07:22:21 elliott: tell me more about ais523's opinions on dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 07:22:28 elliott: looks like i won this one 07:22:46 elliott: is the joke that i say those things 07:22:53 except instead of me its you saying them 07:23:17 wasn't that the joke all along 07:23:23 ais523: Emmental looks like a pretty good candidate 07:23:39 hi monqy 07:23:46 "how was that" 07:23:48 ais523: several implementations, unknown computational class, well-formatted article, interesting concept 07:23:49 "realistic?" 07:25:04 shachaf: no; try harder/??????? 07:25:26 elliott: yeah, this seems like a good pick 07:25:34 monqy: i love emonodindoisoi!!!!! 07:25:42 now I have to learn enough Emmental to be able to write the blurb ;) 07:25:51 whoa now you might be trying a little too hard 07:26:07 wow thats pretty hard 07:26:16 what if i try harder to not try too hard 07:26:28 hey monqy remember sorear 07:26:43 depends on what you mean by remember 07:27:19 what do you mean 07:27:30 i remember sorear "fsvo remember" 07:28:32 -!- Sanky has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:30:22 emmental sounds pretty easy 07:32:18 monqy: "which vo" are you talking about 07:32:49 the 'v' where ive never come into contact with sorear but ive seen shadows of sorear in lots of places 07:33:46 I worked with sorear on TAEB 07:33:49 oh 07:33:59 sorear is "p. great imo" 07:34:16 but i meant in #haskell 07:34:37 never met sorear in #haskell but i knew he was/is a #haskell member 07:34:58 also seen evidence of sorear involved in dcss stuff &c &c 07:35:07 ok. 07:35:08 monqy: remember ddarius 07:35:13 no 07:35:22 :'( 07:35:24 is that a lie 07:35:48 i'm not a real big "#haskell guy", past nor present??? 07:36:14 what about future 07:36:21 who knows 07:36:48 Are you male even? 07:36:56 me????? 07:37:01 why do you ask 07:37:22 Dunno, because "guy" and I thought you might be making a subtle joke. 07:37:30 Like "well maybe I'll get halfway there someday". 07:37:36 07:38:13 `list 07:38:19 Or is that the wrong one now 07:38:19 cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf 07:38:21 ^list 07:38:22 Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 07:38:35 ^def list bf x 07:38:35 Defined. 07:38:38 have to have inter-bot command consistency 07:38:48 `list 07:38:54 cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf Sgeo 07:39:22 Chrome sucks at gifs 07:39:30 elliott: OK, [[Emmental]] is featured 07:39:50 `hatesgeo 07:39:53 does that still work 07:40:16 `rm bin/list 07:40:50 elliott, don't see why it wouldn't, but it takes an argument 07:40:52 No output. 07:40:54 No output. 07:41:01 ais523: thanks 07:41:01 A log file I think 07:41:03 shachaf: why'd you do that? 07:41:04 `revert 07:41:07 Done. 07:41:10 elliott: I was about to `revert 07:41:12 but you got there first 07:41:24 ais523: It's the usual policy when people make programs in bin/ that beep me. 07:41:35 (Unless there's a reason for them to exist.) 07:41:37 shachaf: well it's your fault! 07:41:43 As far as I can tell that program exists purely to be annoying. 07:41:43 you shouldn't have used `list then 07:41:46 the list in `list is a list of people who've done `list 07:41:47 I didn't. 07:42:02 Can you make it "a list of people who've done it *after* it was introduced"? 07:42:17 it is that 07:42:28 can i be on the list twice 07:42:31 `list 07:42:34 cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf Sgeo monqy 07:42:48 nice to have hackego on the list 07:42:53 "list friends" 07:42:57 `rm bin/list 07:43:01 No output. 07:43:06 `revert 07:43:08 Done. 07:43:17 It's like watching a Wikipedia edit war, except in real time. 07:43:24