< 1356998415 482017 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud to host a new year's eve for a number of people, including Rolf Henrik and Thomas Monrad Erlandsen < 1356998440 188412 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm more than sure that they will outdrink me tonight < 1356998479 656981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1356998540 953098 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy UTC new year < 1356998560 751215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: who < 1356998566 453479 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hour late < 1356998571 320461 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whe who < 1356998576 213180 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1356998578 560828 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who who < 1356998592 468854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he's abducted some norwegians, clearly < 1356998601 547922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are forcing them to drink < 1356998605 940623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1356998629 176715 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they will kill me for another one tbh < 1356998850 782295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-voltage alcohol sounds dangerous. < 1356998855 764609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What counts as some? < 1356998970 514479 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :high voltage is 40%-60% < 1356998986 636983 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1356998987 117836 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1356999004 837540 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should know, as a Finnish < 1356999034 973683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i'm starting to like the taste of champagne < 1356999056 980368 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1356999058 529611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The taste of change. < 1356999066 744163 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1356999070 375170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: gross we're no longer friends < 1356999075 605479 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: puke instntly < 1356999099 942205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had the champagne < 1356999111 274470 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's not my fault i was forced to drink it from an early age < 1356999118 523123 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriosu monqy ? < 1356999124 60676 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious* < 1356999126 218430 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forced? < 1356999144 227756 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had the champagne either... < 1356999157 66033 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :social conventions < 1356999160 915531 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers droogies < 1356999177 155203 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes im serious < 1356999189 867718 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: cheers nolifes < 1356999218 902002 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 nolifes < 1356999219 232944 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :abyvsrf < 1356999233 108273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 cheers < 1356999233 894703 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :purref < 1356999394 575505 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pierdole < 1356999439 486217 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoko nooga < 1356999445 845620 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1356999479 443056 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no nie wątpie < 1356999494 310005 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's 2013 < 1356999510 72701 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new one greyknight < 1356999534 215244 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I'm not sure what to do with this year < 1356999556 392998 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it 2x more awesome than the previous one < 1356999561 21699 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to eat it < 1356999598 45253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you eat it, nobody else will have it. < 1356999600 685668 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a rot13-like cypher that rot10-encodes the consonants and rot3-encodes the vowels: http://codepad.org/wX3YL1lI < 1356999709 375565 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numberwang_%28brainfuck_derivative%29 < 1356999718 821523 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzzz < 1356999735 183637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is meant to produce code that appears extremely random and impossible to understand < 1356999744 688266 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment (increase by one) < 1356999756 445813 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... < 1356999778 928134 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally the most boring esolang and this is coming from the guy who made zeptobasic < 1356999874 433289 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1356999918 104355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Numberwang was something else... wait, that's a different Numberwang? < 1356999957 277522 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numberwang < 1356999965 172544 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meeeeeh < 1356999972 963798 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuick < 1356999973 166154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's a spoof gameshow < 1356999976 154927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty funny < 1356999978 36974 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1357000011 924079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know (FSVO) of that, but I was thinking of that other esolang. < 1357000124 477095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a "spoof gameshow" given that it isn't actually a real gameshow < 1357000140 608916 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gameshow spoof < 1357000229 256755 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"spoof" means things are real :-I < 1357000260 973041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 spoof < 1357000261 303715 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fcbbs < 1357000273 32911 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a spoof but it's just in your head < 1357000473 486270 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 2013 < 1357000475 477779 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013 < 1357000553 260359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: *GASP* < 1357000558 296368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 GASP < 1357000559 145550 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNFC < 1357000689 7613 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1357000745 916886 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1357000781 203361 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-68-1.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357000860 128450 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1357001318 241101 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-68-1.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1357001462 597187 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-71-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357001593 511185 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-71-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1357001594 692238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :587) fizzie: It's like a JIT, if JITs were... strings. < 1357001745 902150 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if jits were strings, compilers would ride < 1357001913 259126 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-71-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1357002113 554122 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357002321 258769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, weird. This popular Finnish computers-etc. shop is selling fancy Norwegian bottled water. < 1357002392 930922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss_(water) "three blindfolded wine experts rated Voss water lowest of the six waters tested, which included Helsinki public tap water" but why would you ask a wine expert to test water? < 1357002441 898918 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They couldn't find bottled water experts < 1357002459 972893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose we're such a small place, that might be difficult. < 1357002466 890673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are some American bottled water experts. < 1357002470 634193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, a sample size of *three* < 1357002484 668346 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357002501 857445 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357002517 400504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funniest, these guys are speaking of the waters just like I imagine they'd be speaking of wines. < 1357002521 775637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, the article is in Finnish. < 1357002541 837840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy megasecond 1357! < 1357002553 954940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Secondary water is pretty much translucent spring day in suitable adjectives, such as fresh and bright and tangy, thinking about the new house." Yeah, there's something lost in translation there, I'd say. < 1357002639 334516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1357 megaseconds -> year < 1357002648 586030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :43.001653617620127899 < 1357002659 703991 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wines? < 1357002662 688379 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run date +%s < 1357002664 348560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2013 - 43 < 1357002664 519759 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1357002663 < 1357002666 310146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1970 < 1357002676 168668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1357002687 678116 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAKO < 1357002712 162790 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-71-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357002717 444944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Party like it's 1357e6? < 1357002734 287201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :megaseconds are a bit short for partying < 1357002756 367069 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpc8ecc < 1357002764 632615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 megasecond -> days < 1357002773 569896 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :625/54 (approx. 11.574074074074074) < 1357002791 276572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you can have a party reasonably often. < 1357002800 779081 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you people such nerds < 1357002806 65790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe a megasecond-long party?) < 1357002820 10067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: shush, you are still drunk < 1357002820 181224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "thinking about the new house" < 1357002821 343110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really good < 1357002832 388946 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :drunk or not < 1357002854 150563 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely capable of understanding you all < 1357002857 60496 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1357002868 405089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not half as think as we drunk you are? < 1357002869 363518 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a great time tonight < 1357002881 145780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, the guy's surname is "Uusitalo", lit. "Newhouse". < 1357002893 328147 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :half as we you think < 1357002893 682410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fuck you for ruining that for m < 1357002894 213474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1357002897 5715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you < 1357002917 593833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what I do. < 1357003113 822809 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1357003343 161683 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :love it < 1357003479 891785 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-71-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1357003645 11253 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-12-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357003714 478788 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-12-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nooga drunk enough to start creating BF derivatives :-I < 1357003975 148978 :etb!hubs@198-84-219-56.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1357004176 337084 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-12-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1357004198 925590 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357004366 759208 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: shush < 1357004407 613261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your brain cannot be usefully distinguished from a brick, you are drunk enough < 1357004479 57480 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you underestimate my capabilities < 1357004504 542676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 year -> second < 1357004511 908164 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1556925974678400e+7 < 1357004520 179671 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1357004534 953304 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to throw my macbook at my brother < 1357004783 532309 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357004819 17531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh wow, the plot for anticipation2's tape position heatmap is neat < 1357004821 305796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see the tripwires < 1357005493 827951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>->) < 1357005495 157506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `>->' < 1357005495 328070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1357005495 328250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `>>' (imported from Control.Monad.Writer), < 1357005558 960870 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (>.>) < 1357005559 131827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1357005564 33541 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (<.<) < 1357005564 204414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1357005579 539934 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\o\) < 1357005601 910982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i was (implausibly) checking if the new pipes library had been imported to lambdabot < 1357005625 391637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes it isn't. < 1357005704 198171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't like pipes, or because you think lambdabot should be restricted to ubiquitous stuff? < 1357005720 928153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe a bit of both < 1357005738 73807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like lens in lambdabot, not convinced any sort of pipey conduity library would be useful < 1357006003 116250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loud pipes save lives < 1357006169 822147 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357006451 857982 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357006705 971181 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357007302 694740 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1357007480 639266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wisdom please < 1357007481 486332 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, commissioner, ladies and gentlemen, changing this matter could be formalised because cuba was not present in a special group, namely girls and women in these countries. < 1357007514 276332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1357007648 792572 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1357008710 231306 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1357008743 321157 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1357008818 522877 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if fungot were able to learn something by talking to people in the channel. we could implement some simple heuristics and a few syntax patterns like statements (e.g.: "bood is red"; "red is a color"), or conditionals like ("if you jump into water, you get wet") etc < 1357008820 905621 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: mr president, commissioner, first may i also ask you to think a little about it coming as i do with the fact that parliament now has a 220 fnord middle class and is responsible for coordinating humanitarian aid to the economic and monetary affairs, on the current debate raging in america, the philippines. while protesting peacefully against the erection of a fnord military force ( article 17 of the eu' s member states < 1357008878 171105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the erection of a fnord military force sounds like a grevious matter indeed. < 1357008879 440858 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with time fungot could be able to make relations between objects/verbs < 1357008881 130729 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: madam president, by way of question, is that this parliament has always shown willingness to set up a new method of certification was also introduced, which caused extremely widespread damage, both to restate and to demand access to medical care.' the states: ' we must continue with these meetings for as long as it is that future action will include an examination of the current council presidency's suggestion that we < 1357008892 923962 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let's use a neural network" < 1357008925 424787 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth like that < 1357008949 467875 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe less sophisticated < 1357008981 763290 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dendrite network < 1357008992 907346 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like the idea of starting it from scratch at least for training/learning issues < 1357009091 374969 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep things at basic level < 1357009134 865124 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's use < 1357009140 758490 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :genetic algorithms < 1357009148 124371 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fractals < 1357009215 323142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a neural network wired to a support vector machine wired to a fractal genetic algorithm wired to a guy in Bangladesh who gets 3¢ for each right answer < 1357009224 620896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just import Mentifex's AI MIND into it if it came to that. < 1357009227 491668 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1357009237 789821 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1357009248 517346 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1357009301 216131 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Mentifex's AI MIND < 1357009302 550171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html < 1357009302 730498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: The Arthur T. Murray/Mentifex FAQ < 1357009396 898835 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Murray claims that Mind is an artificial mind which is capable of thought, sentience, and linguistic communication. At the moment, however, it does not appear to do anything except spew meaningless and ungrammatical strings of words." <-- doesn't sound promising at all < 1357009399 218163 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always disappointed that the full glory of his TLD proposal isn't on there < 1357009417 811805 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: nonsense, he's already up to the latest in befunge-oriented ircbot engineering < 1357009444 729995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something meaningful. < 1357009445 757320 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i would like to say to the honourable member who appealed for a special unit for work-related health problems in general. < 1357009493 476493 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... I think I could diagram that as grammatical! better get to work mister ifex < 1357009508 759336 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: red is a coulour < 1357009509 756602 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: madam president, the commission's communication also deals with the social and cultural life. the issue that mr sacrdeus is addressing. it has not been accepted, and we must follow the path which more than ever the development of an external strategy for areas in the european union < 1357009518 804585 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, man, that thing's from a time when 'meme' wasn't common parlance < 1357009521 92696 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is red? < 1357009521 737745 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: mr president, a more efficient organisation for fighting against poverty and social exclusion are other issues. < 1357009526 805616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, when's the last time the president of the EU was a woman? < 1357009556 583501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, is fungot in europarl mode rigged to always start "mr president" or "madam president"? < 1357009557 453050 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: madam president, it is because too much ground has been given by parliament to the conclusions of the european union < 1357009565 645131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or doe sit just do that because most of the sentences start like that? < 1357009577 791722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd assume that's the president of the parliament < 1357009588 472025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, which might be a different person? < 1357009591 806180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was never < 1357009591 976842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the EU is confusing < 1357009592 653587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not "rigged", it's just a natural consequence of the model. And it's not quite always. < 1357009595 876759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i ain't the president of nothing mother fucker < 1357009596 332572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't realise it was that confusing < 1357009596 768733 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: mr president, i close my eyes and i had better not give in to the blackmail which says " if we do so. < 1357009602 881732 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1357009609 394162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm pretty sure they recently changed the system to add at least one more president < 1357009660 188005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there were _3_ EU presidents accepting the nobel prize this year :P < 1357009688 237543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one was the parliament one, which was the one i didn't know < 1357009692 763697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so basically, the rule of the EU < 1357009698 992621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you make everyone a president < 1357009701 94546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there were barroso and rompuy[sp?] < 1357009704 639562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a script for back-converting (or dumping models, or enough awakeness to peek at the binary data), otherwise I'd check the actual probabilities of starting with that. < 1357009711 32434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can use "mr president" or "madam president" despite not knowing their names < 1357009722 744226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it could be awkward if you didn't know their genders (or if they weren't gender-binary people) < 1357009735 288957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :barroso is the president of the commision iirc < 1357009752 594073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rompuy is the new kind, who is sort of coordinating or something < 1357009756 635055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a preferred honorific in place for our first nonbinary president? < 1357009774 811040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ser President. < 1357009777 852178 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357009796 807338 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that too much like "sir", though < 1357009810 103868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in use, for some values of use. < 1357009811 556740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, since fungot is doing parliament speeches i assume e is referring to the president of the parliament. < 1357009812 575011 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, you are interpreting the text in front of the cars on fnord -the requirement that fuel consumption data be included in an annex to our rules of procedure, and so it is with specific reference to the fact that with this resolution. < 1357009830 436377 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: not sure, I know a few human beings who could be described that way < 1357009862 365224 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: what do you mean? < 1357009927 139639 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you refer to? < 1357009970 773551 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lost :( < 1357010046 458818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There have been twenty-eight Presidents since the Parliament was created in 1952, thirteen of whom have served since the first Parliamentary election in 1979. Two Presidents have been women and most have come from the older member states." < 1357010093 576151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1357010105 725581 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1357010124 878899 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357010133 86654 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: "At the moment, however, it does not appear to do anything except spew meaningless and ungrammatical strings of words." < 1357010148 161329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simone Veil 1979-1983, Nicole Fontaine 1999-2002 < 1357010157 340753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1357010157 727374 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1357010163 301156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1357010163 672548 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1357010175 600744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would appear to be the latter, then < 1357010185 814598 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should know that the president of the E.U. is just the guy shaking many hands having no power at all < 1357010198 778167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"guy", you say < 1357010211 948746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: that's probably rompuy then < 1357010326 469216 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-3.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1357010383 484269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my mistake, the EU actually has _four_ presidents, one of them just wasn't at the nobel award < 1357010392 884651 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1357010394 227614 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, don't eat the lies! the president's hand is implanted with a small taser to keep the heads of state in line < 1357010397 83154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wasn't speaking, anyway < 1357010430 521987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no < 1357010440 252914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is a country, not a person :P < 1357010447 420035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(currently cyprus) < 1357010517 248786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr:0.598 madam:0.143 i:0.069 the:0.051 we:0.011 and the other 335 possible initial words have frequencies <1%. < 1357010537 1120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also there's three of them, the current, previous and next one < 1357010539 724044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: fungot might be implementing the selection algorithm wrong.) < 1357010540 643185 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: various points should be made very clear and strict regulations would eliminate the southern states. these questions can be summarised as follows: the council should accept the wonderful job done by the spanish fleet. it began to fish scorpion fish gallineta in spanish in november and december of 1995 that the commission will work with optimum efficiency. that is why we welcome the debate which arose out of turkey' s po < 1357010545 882325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1357010576 226672 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot...you got cut off.... < 1357010577 1046 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: mr president, adoption of the common organization of the market in question. the incoming irish presidency if it has binding legal status its content must, of course, that we can support the report, namely paragraph 59, in particular the idea that only a rigorous budgetary framework set until 2006, because there are regions, such as whether the threshold should be higher than the ospar value, to wit, the burden of proof < 1357010592 153705 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot.......... < 1357010592 887075 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mlsqn: mr president, i would like to take this opportunity of describing to you on behalf of the committee on budgets. on 17 february, it was also agreed to draw up a policy for the pharmaceutical industry is essential for europe to maintain a balance between the united states < 1357010600 680611 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mlsqn, nice < 1357010625 345524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"various" has a frequency of approximately 0.000059834. (1/16713, to be exact.) < 1357010681 359291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it may not actually be previous and next, but ... darn it. < 1357010694 887691 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1357010720 527348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is it mlsqn... < 1357010724 155593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo /nick mlsqn < 1357010758 740211 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that corruption thing that happens sometimes when it cuts off(that's why i said fungot i wanted the corruptions) < 1357010759 557156 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: mr president, on behalf of mr bertens our distinguished rapporteur on cyprus. peace and tranquillity in the balkans. and then the uk. in each case. we are living in direct danger and fear, are being prevented from taking what in a lot of energy can contribute towards our progress to date in ireland under the community support frameworks, when we ought to remind ourselves of the appalling attack on madrid, which is not be < 1357010767 394178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the message was sent by "mlsqn!~oe:monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net". < 1357010776 741431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an 18-month trio, each country of which is president for 6 months. < 1357010787 78439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europarl is probably the most likely dataset to cause corruption, APPROPRIATELY ENOUGH. < 1357010823 120632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah i know but... < 1357010866 824364 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357010927 377872 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot for president < 1357010928 53646 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: mr president, i would like to remind the commission, we also said that it would be useful if the presidency explained this to him personally and have it recognized in the european union's democratic principles like any other place such as algeciras to mention the kyoto objective, to which he replied that he could reply that the commission has recently put forward a number of years to cover their repayment. this is in pla < 1357010935 965091 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which actually means that country pay the bills at the cocktail-parties in this period < 1357010947 468361 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot five president < 1357010948 145858 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: mr president, commissioner vitorino, feel really has been somewhat abandoned by the world health organisation claims. this is the cornerstone of the union institutions will respond in a moment. i would therefore ask you to look into the matter once and for all purposes should be deducted from capital to prevent the influx and concentration of the population, together with a sensible judicial system. we take your words to < 1357011047 832582 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, that's how it works < 1357011056 722470 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell me about politics < 1357011057 56974 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: mr president, i think it is much less willing to bow to the majority of the people who suffer from genetic and other medical centres. over six million diagnoses are made annually in europe. < 1357011065 927877 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1357011086 348750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fGjM look at it go. < 1357011105 964137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those horrible genetic centres < 1357011155 89082 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need medical centres for medical centres < 1357011541 611805 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1357011651 138807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, most likely opening words for ^style irc: i:0.108 POPAREN:0.028 the:0.028 and:0.027 you:0.026 but:0.025 it:0.025 what:0.021 it's:0.019 so:0.018 i'm:0.017 that:0.015 if:0.014 UNK:0.014 that's:0.012 PODQUOT:0.010 is:0.010 how:0.010 and then it goes <1%. < 1357011662 459911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("POPAREN" is a "(".) < 1357011747 943224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1357011802 285827 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ("unk < 1357011803 558175 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ladies and gentlemen, i would ask the commission to make proposals for further improvement. but, madam president-in-office of the council, making way for his opponent and probably lawfully elected successor, vojislav kostunica, without any opportunity to present his views on these legal issues. < 1357011829 303646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google vojislav kostunica < 1357011831 65373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojislav_Ko%C5%A1tunica < 1357011831 235578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Vojislav Koštunica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1357011853 571375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to sleeb, it's 05:44am already in here. < 1357011959 562218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lame < 1357012101 844390 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357012222 775154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Sleeb is für the week < 1357012298 925750 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357012359 414278 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weep for the sleek < 1357012451 811717 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1357012452 541373 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1357012463 510689 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot style < 1357012464 494831 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: perhaps, if i could but learn is when you're fairies, you know, that thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's < 1357012496 658711 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful < 1357012537 777053 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what fungot converges to. < 1357012538 625751 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: or is it just me, or i: yet, you rogue! < 1357012954 827216 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1357013168 802783 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357013187 72381 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1357013203 837202 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357014056 26163 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1357014231 7667 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1357014325 305757 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1357014410 586119 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357016523 407432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy EST new year! < 1357016751 642094 :etb!hubs@198-84-219-56.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeee < 1357016773 66674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fuck EST < 1357016773 918634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck life < 1357016777 298077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck everything < 1357016855 286131 :etb!hubs@198-84-219-56.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no man no < 1357016939 755224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1357017094 771039 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1357017138 663216 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357017141 415421 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1357017150 865042 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots elliott with a firework -----==> < 1357017175 34793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fuck a wood chipper < 1357017494 425896 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357017688 993344 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1357017783 493833 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357017895 853291 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357018197 37561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1357018648 834535 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-41-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1357022423 50361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1357022426 654595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1357022431 354544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :302) (im not a lawyer) (im just making stuff up < 1357022435 412507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1357022436 680122 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :688) Yes, it is true; I don't really like PHP either. < 1357022438 987321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1357022440 223561 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. < 1357022442 151619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1357022443 474645 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :692) "Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions," OK I need to become a pyrotechnician. Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith so that you can legally own lockpicks Did I mention when I want < 1357022443 780226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1357022445 5180 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :451) elliott: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'. < 1357023514 221713 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1357023637 559735 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357023980 607456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1357023981 704108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :282) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. < 1357024622 467666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this slomo quoting < 1357024777 627499 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did 692 get cut off < 1357024940 477829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1357026476 808360 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1357027746 259836 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1357028573 68042 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1357028603 380459 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357029414 462221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mp3float @ 0x7fb7575fb400]big_values too big < 1357029521 265593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: 'long long long' is too long for GCC < 1357030751 915892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1357031518 595794 :etb!hubs@198-84-219-56.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1357032677 100305 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1357033236 390711 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1357033257 79371 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1357033257 249992 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357033433 458805 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357034527 447472 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1357037633 683005 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1357037640 518185 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357038138 282112 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log Did I mention when I want < 1357038169 176206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-01.txt:06:40:43: 692) "Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions," OK I need to become a pyrotechnician. Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith so that you can legally own lockpicks ", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1357038854 598971 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357040406 829570 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat help < 1357040408 10167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat: cannot stat `help': No such file or directory < 1357040415 951292 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which help < 1357040417 435801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357040640 171214 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1357040641 363339 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ karma \ karma- \ karma+ \ learn \ log \ logurl \ lua \ luac \ luarocks \ luarocks-admin \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ No \ pastaquote \ paste \ pastefortune < 1357041172 168742 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1357041182 292070 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1357041244 973342 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1357041265 849550 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1357041537 207128 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1357041538 334899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ ibins \ interps \ karma \ lib \ luabuild \ luafilesystem-1.6.2-1.rockspec \ luafilesystem-1.6.2-1.src.rock \ luarocks.err \ luarocks.out \ paste \ penlight-1.0.0-1.rockspec \ penlight-1.0.0-1.src.rock \ quotes \ quotese \ share \ wisdom < 1357041584 790867 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin > help.txt < 1357041585 821330 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin > help.txt: No such file or directory < 1357041624 362350 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls paste < 1357041625 436647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste.10030 \ paste.1009 \ paste.1013 \ paste.1014 \ paste.10183 \ paste.10198 \ paste.10249 \ paste.10325 \ paste.10348 \ paste.10378 \ paste.10571 \ paste.10590 \ paste.10605 \ paste.10757 \ paste.10835 \ paste.10941 \ paste.10997 \ paste.11095 \ paste.11100 \ paste.11140 \ paste.11204 \ paste.11295 \ paste.11427 \ paste.11437 \ paste.11439 \ pas < 1357041641 831310 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin > /paste/help.txt < 1357041643 33189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin > /paste/help.txt: No such file or directory < 1357041666 709123 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin >| /paste/help.txt < 1357041667 760472 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin >| /paste/help.txt: No such file or directory < 1357042290 460271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357042633 480962 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357042725 205978 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357042985 618274 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1357042986 648235 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1357043009 877925 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin > paste/help.txt < 1357043011 229123 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin > paste/help.txt: No such file or directory < 1357043680 96146 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b66f6.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7AsYxY6nz4 <-- good ol` caleb quotes < 1357043699 593340 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit < 1357043704 947255 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1357044487 694282 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1357046645 483874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1357049755 509101 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357051985 646174 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1357052560 772675 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chrisdone.com/z/ < 1357053549 702707 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-2-235.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1357053629 919891 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357054171 459700 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357054473 324230 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1357055872 589910 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1357057327 425606 :etb!~hubs@198-84-219-56.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1357057347 515833 :etb!~hubs@198-84-219-56.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1357057351 424209 :flood0r2!~flood0r2@ebuc.co JOIN :#esoteric < 1357057384 343990 :flood0r2!~flood0r2@ebuc.co NICK :etb < 1357060066 851753 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-226-214.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357060633 203031 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1357060661 521051 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357061711 607666 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-57-139.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357062318 565160 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have DOS, Windows, OS/2, XENIX, and NT. It's Microsoft against Microsoft against Microsoft against Microsoft." < 1357062323 102843 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1357062352 515315 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1357062612 957289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I commented on my Tumblr, it isn't showing up < 1357062624 637279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe the Javascript won't show comments that look like they're from the future? < 1357062643 111311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my computer's clock is a bit slow, when I initially posted it said "in 3 minutes" < 1357062659 721639 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-57-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You the Sgeo who posts about Lisp? < 1357062688 682215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've posted about Common Lisp and Clojure < 1357062716 264754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, my comment is flat out not showing up < 1357062723 197600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, do you mean sgeo.tumblr.com ? That's me < 1357062759 512119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357062802 953315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not intended to be specifically about lisps < 1357062803 352042 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-57-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You now have one more follower! < 1357062806 351018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1357062836 853244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much any programming stuff. If I become reinterested in Haskell and newly obsessed with Opa, that's what I'd be talking about < 1357062862 871537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Opa is currently not a strong candidate for language obsession) < 1357063013 658330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Disqus: I would like to see my own comment please < 1357063533 572268 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357063546 92593 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Well, Microsoft did work a bit on OS/2 but after that it was all IBM < 1357063614 792638 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1357063636 302739 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1357063636 475760 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357063733 488686 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357063789 45620 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1357064200 661758 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-57-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it makes a pleasant change from the Homestuck and Adventure Time currently filling my dash < 1357064218 567719 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1357064218 741230 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1357064218 741382 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357064339 720317 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1357064832 416907 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1357064832 626041 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1357064832 626194 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357064875 966279 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-142-102.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357064921 564195 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1357065172 213052 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1357065418 334423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357065650 971007 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1357065657 269018 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357066794 416102 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357066956 439015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits Taneb with a Racket dye pack < 1357066962 703855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dye packs are a thing in Racket) < 1357066974 163864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1357067008 634693 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357067079 50070 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1357067105 424693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am easily amused. < 1357067119 661213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with being easily amused, right? < 1357067256 662432 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1357067327 914820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1357067441 172956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:06:13: fuck life < 1357067441 344654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:06:17: fuck everything < 1357067454 140788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid that's illegal in most countries, elliott < 1357067620 163807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 692 < 1357067622 799280 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :692) "Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions," OK I need to become a pyrotechnician. Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith so that you can legally own lockpicks Did I mention when I want < 1357067644 304266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 692 | fmt -w300 | tail -1 < 1357067645 936885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357067659 965246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 692 | fmt -w300 | tail -2 < 1357067661 619602 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357067667 524053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 692 | fmt -w300 | tail -1 < 1357067669 457118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :can legally own lockpicks Did I mention when I wanted to become a locksmith? < 1357067743 757567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: maybe HackEgo needs a `more command like lambdabot < 1357067851 774270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quote used to display just fine in full < 1357067908 795138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and HackEgo doesn't have a particularly long nick!uname@hostname < 1357067931 431212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 692 | fmt -w400 < 1357067934 121182 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :692) "Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions," OK I need to become a pyrotechnician. Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith so that you can legally own lockpicks Did I mention when I want < 1357067947 400983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even reach 400 < 1357067978 577234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it's become overconservative lately. perhaps something to do with Gregor making it not mishandle Unicode < 1357067981 88303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor HackEgo cuts off lines too soon < 1357067981 546595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1357068137 662072 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-57-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to pipe stderr onwards? < 1357068152 57267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 2>&1 merges stderr and stdout < 1357068162 422911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do tricks with named pipes if you need separate control over stdout and stderr < 1357068171 155156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-57-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I use that mysterious collection of characters < 1357068180 650953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :command 2>&1 | another_command < 1357068201 449322 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-57-139.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1357068299 49777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^pastequotes < 1357068303 153136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1357068307 413829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24765 < 1357068356 680547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :692) "Category 4 ("professional") fireworks are for sale only to fireworks professionals. They have no restrictions," OK I need to become a pyrotechnician. Phantom_Hoover: that's like wanting to become a locksmith so that you can legally own lockpicks Did I mention when I wanted to become a locksmith? < 1357068390 341812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's definitely HackEgo which cuts it off, not freenode < 1357068417 545910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its cutting got changed recently < 1357068418 613343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so duh < 1357068475 769592 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1357068499 476939 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1357068518 461667 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1357068518 669446 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357068561 467306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly 350 characters in the cut message body. < 1357068576 982437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, fungot is even more strict, IIRC. < 1357068577 788022 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that something you know and and the cases that required to actually mutate the original ( sorted, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliament will give a single instance, < 1357068591 94508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hagb4rd HackEgo ` doesn't do shell stuff like pipes and redirection unless you start with `run < 1357068591 482268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1357068592 299003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((A)S:^):^ < 1357068593 454586 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ...too much output! < 1357068608 126056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 324 A's. < 1357068609 277251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1357068609 780864 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: use the ' ' ' delete a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there it is, in case he doesn't want you to the ancients, right. some numbers is disguising them so the user gets a frob, which is the bit-reversal of the statement is encountered, it is also readily than they use over there < 1357068632 251311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.]!A < 1357068632 971759 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ... < 1357068643 383062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just 207. < 1357068671 38249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hagb4rd specifically, without run everything after the command name gets sent as a single, undivided string argument < 1357068671 416511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1357068690 356939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/run < 1357068691 791111 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/run: No such file or directory < 1357068697 810706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1357068704 904273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which run < 1357068706 201947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357068774 495311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so `run isn't an ordinary command, although it could easily have been made one... < 1357068779 133262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: run is built-in < 1357068797 397458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS I WAS IMPLYING < 1357068851 416360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: `run is built into the bot, not an ordinary command. < 1357068885 913975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1357068924 612679 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is `run built in or an ordinary command? < 1357068933 405317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#!/bin/sh" >bin/run; echo 'bash -c "$@"' >>bin/run; chmod +x bin/run < 1357068937 396169 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357068938 73804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits olsner with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1357068948 334044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bin/run echo hi; echo bye < 1357068949 908454 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi \ bye < 1357068952 73212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, how come I never get the saucepan treatment? < 1357068968 987097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because you'd enjoy it too much. < 1357068971 206443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor You can remove the special-casing of the `run command; I added a bin/run that behaves equivalently. < 1357068971 649885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1357068980 879198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor (Come to think of it, can't you implement `fetch inside the bot too?) < 1357068981 267392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1357068997 176802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot has an Internet connection? < 1357069001 632694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor (And `help, though that would make reverting an rm -r more annoying since you'd have to dig up the URL. (Probably not a problem.)) < 1357069001 886649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1357069011 872867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1357069012 43713 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1357069037 349777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p run/bin/; cp bin/run run/bin/ < 1357069041 552315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357069086 983581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: iirc `fetch is less stringent about what is permitted to connect to than the sandbox < 1357069109 158829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc has a whitelist of web sites < 1357069138 66136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1357069149 134122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -r run < 1357069153 136799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357069231 594831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see bin run < 1357069393 974666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing wrong with being easily amused, right? <-- depends. does your laughter make people cringe? < 1357069666 451805 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1357070198 566446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1357070548 310109 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.25.167 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1357070988 18558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm more likely to write unit tests with Racket than with any other language, merely because of how easy it is to intersperse tests with the rest of the code < 1357071298 11400 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1357071431 311412 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1357071545 89038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VCR/DVD I have will not correct the aspect ratio when playing DivX. < 1357071562 244275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The frame skip functions also don't work with DivX) < 1357071850 869364 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1357071933 273658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a writer monad on a category of relations? I think so; fmap/join/return is easily defined. Does the monad laws followed? You can then define =<< from that too (note: =<< here is a functor, not a relation, though) < 1357071950 605913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said Prolog is using relations, so therefore can it be used with Prolog? < 1357072304 410029 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357072428 735200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW < 1357072471 67556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION already regrets ignoring the intuition that told him not to bring this up < 1357072508 492223 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1357072549 28701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about the Institution. < 1357072577 377706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to see if it can be used with Prolog, or with category of relation in general. < 1357072593 188446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do it yourself. < 1357072602 223665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try. < 1357073028 22148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does follow monad laws. < 1357073522 579531 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-217.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1357073542 718727 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-217.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1357073542 889350 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1357073755 296834 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1357073860 765323 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1357073873 876178 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1357074123 604141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oerjan: FUCK YOU GUYS < 1357074124 64066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1357074129 841311 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1357074130 246806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 42m 29s ago: HackEgo cuts off lines too soon < 1357074130 417891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 25m 59s ago: You can remove the special-casing of the `run command; I added a bin/run that behaves equivalently. < 1357074130 418088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 25m 50s ago: (Come to think of it, can't you implement `fetch inside the bot too?) < 1357074130 418198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1h 25m 29s ago: (And `help, though that would make reverting an rm -r more annoying since you'd have to dig up the URL. (Probably not a problem.)) < 1357074132 865546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`friends < 1357074134 289449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: friends: not found < 1357074161 802309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If HackEgo is cutting off lines shorter than it was previously, I have NO idea how or why. < 1357074170 924583 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having `run be in the environment is a profoundly bad idea. < 1357074189 962200 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, the proxy isn't even up, because it was unreliable as shit, and it whitelisted things anyway. < 1357074205 948568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I wanted `help outside the bot is so that the URL would never get scrubbed. < 1357074229 458691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with `run being in the env < 1357074285 247470 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/run # fix this without `run or `revert < 1357074288 795911 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1357074323 112544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: `revert < 1357074326 658416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that < 1357074339 323717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the point of `revert for when people do something idiotic and fuck things up :P < 1357074392 821613 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, you can't make `run from a fresh environment. An empty environment is unusable without `run. Admittedly we don't have an empty environment, but I don't like the notion that you can't start from scratch. < 1357074414 244328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well i can think of a way to do it < 1357074419 962871 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show me < 1357074424 403330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://run.invalid < 1357074425 354758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `run.invalid' < 1357074436 294743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/hackenv/run mkdir bin && mv run bin < 1357074437 757174 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/run: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/run: cannot execute: No such file or directory < 1357074441 82148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb............................... < 1357074449 320378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But `/hackenv/run wouldn't work. < 1357074453 440577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1357074454 150813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a-x < 1357074456 740273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1357074466 867064 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And chmod won't work. < 1357074467 235423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1357074478 739032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have an idea < 1357074481 463901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`env echo hi < 1357074482 899608 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :env: echo hi: No such file or directory < 1357074499 831301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a wa to do this < 1357074501 181560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*way < 1357074505 694131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh duh < 1357074510 860121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: okay `fetch < 1358995876 714301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1358995892 149840 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1358995901 645691 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does navigating to a javascript: url not work? < 1358995905 996508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work too < 1358995928 618775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a dim memory from approximately a billion years ago < 1358995965 79970 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the keyboard is shitty. < 1358995992 416243 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capslock is replaced with a super key with a search icon on it. < 1358996009 382491 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no menu, home/end/pgup/pgdn/etc. < 1358996023 924512 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even by way of a function key. < 1358996054 262742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it intel why do you have 38573645 different instructions named "shuffle" < 1358996064 57207 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again I'm one of the 5 people left in the world who still uses a menu key. < 1358996081 345793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I use it by mistake sometimes, and intentionally a bit less often < 1358996121 669997 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard keys ftw < 1358996124 482309 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take my keys! < 1358996130 228982 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it bound to WM stuff, so I don't really use it. < 1358996139 83752 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really hate how dell or whoever rearranged the six pack < 1358996144 129565 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you do that? < 1358996154 315623 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand removing that whole chunk of keyboard, but not just destandardizing it < 1358996178 147642 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One rationale I've heard from a Logitech guy is that "Insert" confuses people. < 1358996186 242161 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they use a double-high Delete. < 1358996188 478235 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck people. < 1358996198 508133 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :people can learn < 1358996207 817868 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still put Ins above Del on the same row as the F keys. < 1358996216 775865 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never used sysrq but you don't see me complaining! < 1358996217 44956 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1358996224 190362 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causing Pause/Break and Scroll Lock to get out of whack. < 1358996233 851044 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358996234 118412 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this terrible chain reaction. < 1358996254 140962 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that. SysRq. < 1358996309 259163 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358996417 732085 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358996515 314363 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358996603 648331 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358996637 703969 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358996677 772100 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358996688 524849 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358996743 79240 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358996753 552911 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358996839 105797 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1358997025 455823 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358997109 338920 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358997599 172092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The good one is pshufb. < 1358997621 690402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it vpshufb? < 1358997747 42830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the difference is < 1358997757 749117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the mnemonics differ between intel and AT&T :( < 1358997766 405431 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they really < 1358997778 272085 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358997792 965717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so < 1358997796 220470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1358997802 287124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't v the one that takes three operands? < 1358997809 636006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :New in AVX. < 1358997810 144075 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358997818 905406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I knew once.) < 1358997865 9281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VEX_prefix < 1358997866 741371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's that. < 1358997879 717164 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358997890 249990 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358998151 928030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358998155 185292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1358998189 7522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love x86 instructions < 1358998282 310176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hear the "cool byte shuffling instructions" are Knuth's MOR and MXOR. < 1358998438 920851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358998440 633083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are nic < 1358998441 942780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1359000032 437837 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359000124 10206 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359000159 749469 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359000309 356604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I missed it. < 1359000317 638094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't track megaseconds. < 1359000321 284279 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359000345 339931 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359000379 440081 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359000413 714802 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359000470 761299 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359000472 890297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I noticed kmc over 9000 day! < 1359000671 10899 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359000869 238192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1359000958 356593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you are over 9000 units of some dimension < 1359001842 416575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«We're grateful for Greg's many contributions to Sequoia over the last 12 years. His wikipedic knowledge, quick wit, and uncanny ability to connect seemingly unrelated ideas made him a joy to work with.» < 1359001864 19213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a sort of backhanded compliment? < 1359001884 129725 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedic knowledge sounds like a bad thing. < 1359001901 496974 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is :( < 1359002145 312464 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely an insult < 1359002151 922608 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how they got away with that < 1359002171 365208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between MOVAPS and MOVDQA < 1359002200 419265 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 3 < 1359002200 905939 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many jokes are there about intel's mnemonics not being very mnemonic < 1359002270 476715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6678073/difference-between-movdqa-and-movaps-x86-instructions < 1359002284 617796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if loongson has official han character mnemonics < 1359002288 258206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not but that would be amazing < 1359002300 404563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanxchaf < 1359002310 617947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'On some (but not all) micro-architectures, there are timing differences due to "domain crossing penalties"' < 1359002317 81356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now you're just making shit up < 1359002334 939699 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that term especially made-up-sounding...? < 1359002349 403040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's just more complexity than i want to think about < 1359002359 854617 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to assembly? < 1359002362 701195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVAPS two cycles slower due to transfer at Oxford Circus < 1359002418 142312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing with x86 instructions? < 1359002429 271011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AES-NI < 1359002457 493065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't for mosh, is it? < 1359002526 814655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359002538 686368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it for? < 1359002574 540614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those things you were working on? < 1359002929 423077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't you ever get tired of logreading? < 1359003027 179540 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359003121 220321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should draw a self portrait of oerjan < 1359003178 695341 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i drew self portraits < 1359003189 997168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were so good < 1359003197 404834 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359003202 649434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo some of your finest work < 1359003217 476452 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359003652 539067 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359004955 471833 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are you proud when you explain this [primitives] to a non-Smalltalker?" < 1359004967 757045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On a presentation about Newspeak) < 1359004973 197193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referring to Bike's objection < 1359005159 353817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security vulnerability in the pure-Haskell implementation of TLS! < 1359005161 773535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How unexpected. < 1359005172 282961 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh i'm like some kind of smalltalkkin < 1359005188 58470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No wai < 1359005378 63037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: haha < 1359005380 271393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the vuln? < 1359005518 74482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359005563 31476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/vincenthz/hs-tls/issues/29 < 1359005638 974983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359005691 689143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why Haskell people seem to insist on implementing everything themselves. < 1359005712 5475 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing crypto by yourself – what could possibly go wrong? < 1359005755 207546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: To me "mathematically correct", maybe. < 1359005758 621139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software is automatically better if written in haskell < 1359005759 643243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me/be/ < 1359005762 855712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, a lot of language communities do this < 1359005771 390189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With cryptography? < 1359005776 33090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359005781 620829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see Ruby people implementing their own cryptography things so much. < 1359005784 744575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find pure python implementations of everything < 1359005786 497041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just out of touch. < 1359005792 359969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a question of whether people actually use it or whether they're toys < 1359005793 322994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure, but are they *standard*? < 1359005818 832451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a certain appeal to having your security critical primitives written in a high level memory safe language with some level of static assurance < 1359005832 258146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hs-tls standard? what do you mean by that < 1359005834 947261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in the Platform? < 1359005852 770815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the things that all the web frameworks etc. seem to use. < 1359005877 974077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's much of a high-level cryptography API that's made over bindings to OpenSSL, say. < 1359005934 690900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hs-tls is used by all the web frameorks? < 1359005975 419977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clear your web framework should even be doing SSL < 1359005975 907859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean hs-tls specifically, but most of the cryptography libraries that I've come across. < 1359005985 792296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminating SSL at a frontend reverse proxy / app container is common < 1359006026 72923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair OpenSSL is written in an unsafe language and is also shitty < 1359006034 389601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, somebody has to try to do better < 1359006039 93616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1359006039 903314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are going to get burnt repeatedly < 1359006043 278328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if they are not experts < 1359006046 117899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SSL is fucking complicated < 1359006049 785710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad Mosh doesn't use DTLS < 1359006052 195597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this came up again today < 1359006269 368447 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359006330 394279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To some, deism means that God created the universe but does not affect it now. When I said that I don't believe the Jews are God's chosen people and all that stuff is just mythology, I did not mean that God does nothing since. God is beyond comprehension and now you are trying to put it into something you understand, even though it cannot understand, so that is an error. < 1359006350 592995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Would you say that everything exists? < 1359006355 212738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1359006363 711284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Wikipedia says about deism is different. < 1359006373 282617 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think that God is a hypothesis with near-zero likelihood. < 1359006418 3638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't even agree what "God" is, regardless if you think so or not. (This applies to me too, of course.) < 1359006435 800070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: imo there is a very high likelihood for my existence < 1359006441 867625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :near 1 in fact < 1359006469 580364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: However, although I may say that everything exists, I now say, what is exist? Physical existence? Universal existence? Mathematical existence? It is different! < 1359006524 536174 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking that questions about god are stymied by people not agreeing on what "god" means is called "ignosticism", for reference < 1359006552 721344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that is called "ignosticism"; I did see that on Wikipedia. < 1359006568 772605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I do sometimes call some of my ideas ignostic, too. < 1359006702 643661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do study philosophy of much. < 1359006718 111539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I do study philosophy of much. < 1359006726 182027 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :933) I do study philosophy of much. < 1359006748 891178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lens now has a function which pays a 1000x constant factor for the common case to avoid a space leak in the unusual case. < 1359006753 245367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359006754 240046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel kind of bad about that. < 1359006769 553866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know what the right answer is. < 1359006773 971927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space leaks are really annoying. < 1359006785 886663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you perhaps fix it, or make up a separate function for the unusual case? < 1359006786 370080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can profile a slow thing, but a space leak will just freeze your computer. < 1359007049 338543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a humanist religion. Humanity is just one of the life on the Earth, the Earth is just one of the planets in the solar system, and so on. The absolute reality is the universe as a whole; we divide it to understand it in different ways. < 1359007073 3951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should fix our issue with the function! < 1359007075 432751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function is lastOf. < 1359007079 763946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets the rightmost element of a tree. < 1359007120 944385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may look, but I don't even know exactly how to fix it necessarily. < 1359007164 748147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/245 < 1359007397 348863 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea for a FUSE filesystem: Just overlay over another filesystem, presenting all targets from Makefiles as pseudofiles that will be created on-demand. < 1359007405 449351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalkers are utterly utterly insane http://vimeo.com/50530082 < 1359007587 918788 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly. < 1359007603 363096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like the way FUSE works; I would prefer it to continue running while active rather than terminate, and to be accessible in a subdirectory of the process directory (in /proc/) instead of the other one. < 1359007608 702390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://netjam.org/quoth/ < 1359007623 117206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search that page for Play 4 times < 1359007623 913229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you could create a link if you wanted it in a separate directory) < 1359007641 736752 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IIRC FUSE filesystems don't terminate, they just daemonize. < 1359009036 894089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1359009515 594229 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359010316 618525 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359011044 892036 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: dead < 1359011232 836884 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-167.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359011464 665342 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359011482 38768 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359011482 257420 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359011691 367322 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359012288 522891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's so lame that system calls have to use memory to transfer data < 1359012295 340682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to read 16 bytes from a file directly into %xmm0! < 1359012363 761115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making an asynchronous interface for that sounds like fun. < 1359012494 938000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OS is going to read it into the page cache anyway unless you do something weird, so you might a well just mmap it and copy it from memory or something. < 1359012510 301622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you want the disk controller to copy data straight to a register too? < 1359012515 120688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should patent DRA before someone else does. < 1359012516 163954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's a terminal < 1359012517 589471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1359012534 943725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a terminal. < 1359012560 590734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminals: best type of file? < 1359012591 707488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "terminal" "disk" < 1359012593 509451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1359012596 773746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it. < 1359012828 763875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, 'night all < 1359013397 794180 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: movdqantfs < 1359014230 722955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Do you like the guessing game "x86 instruction mnemonic or CAPTCHA?"? < 1359014252 443829 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1359014278 960124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favorite insane one is still phminposuw < 1359014321 411765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pft. That one's almost pronounceable. < 1359014344 116152 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :packed horizontal minimum position unsigned word < 1359014377 460042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get MOR and MXOR into x86. < 1359014381 523036 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a vector of 8 uint16_ts, return {minimum value, position of minimum value} < 1359014410 611024 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-cycle (throughput at least) 8-way minimum~ it's fun, the name is just ridiculously long XD < 1359014414 301542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... MOR? < 1359014415 248186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUNPCKLQDQ and such make for funky names, too, due to how they dropped the 'a' from 'pack'. < 1359014434 733595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun-pack-liq-diq < 1359014439 266147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only they'd gone all out with vowel-dropping and made it PNPCKLQDQ. < 1359014447 316165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun-pack-liq-bow < 1359014448 26282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "pack" when it's PCK. < 1359014457 173097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "liq-diq" sounds dirty. < 1359014471 363728 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh geez it does >_< < 1359014519 230096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOR is great. < 1359014535 607962 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's MOR? < 1359014537 520219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does matrix multiplication of two 64-bit registers treated as 8x8 matrices. < 1359014541 166098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... @_@ < 1359014543 574345 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what architecture is that? < 1359014544 814858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using AND and OR instead of + and * < 1359014547 255884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIX. < 1359014555 538997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so, each entry in the matrix is 1-bit? < 1359014559 119372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359014564 441479 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I think that could actually be used in some FEC code I saw a while ago < 1359014571 143492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty nice. < 1359014576 587053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a crazy instruction, was it fast? < 1359014587 414766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIX has never been built, so who knows? < 1359014635 545039 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... I guess I was confusing it with something else < 1359014649 969321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh. it's Knuth's thing < 1359014653 256445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359014680 993833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of odd simd instructions she's seen < 1359014700 834831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NEON has a simd leading-zero count. which isn't really that weird I guess < 1359014708 774834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOR/MXOR give you pshufb, among other things. < 1359014718 267585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except instead of shuffling you can or/xor bytes. < 1359014741 188105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So instead of a byte index like 0,1,2,3, you give a mask like 1,2,4,8 for the byte you want.) < 1359014748 770118 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently there's an FPGA implementation of MMIX o_O < 1359014762 15982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is? < 1359014775 946392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't hear about it. < 1359014782 433090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe MMIX is the future of computing. < 1359014787 337726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMIX#Hardware_implementations < 1359014811 256266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA isn't really hardware, is it? < 1359014814 140649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't say that. < 1359014902 378573 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359014997 31158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write an MMIX emulator to learn about writing emulators. < 1359015241 320899 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359015685 328980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC even can compile into MMIX. (LLVM cannot) < 1359015702 259764 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really? XD < 1359015804 332025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's exciting. < 1359015865 755377 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359015866 703367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Linux port? < 1359015877 391700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's arguably more funky is that it's part of mainline GCC distribution, and not just someone's patchset. < 1359015939 270564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1359016013 657610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/MMIX-Options.html and so on. < 1359016171 861974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is a Linux port. < 1359016556 685222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MMIX is good but I don't like the rN register and think it should be replaced. < 1359016594 51566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me what that register is? < 1359016643 530422 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359016671 397826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read-only register specifying the serial number. < 1359016727 603273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359016750 714475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be replaced with a register that specifies the National Identity Number of the current user. < 1359016896 140977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it should probably be replaced with something more useful, such as a hypervisor register. < 1359016948 176769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love registers < 1359016950 10494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1359017305 268529 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359017393 100510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that De Bruijn sequences are the best thing yet? < 1359017397 59227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They are.) < 1359017420 230355 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the cool things you can use for stuff like leading zero count, right? < 1359017423 609381 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and population count < 1359017433 927234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it trailing 0 count? < 1359017438 501499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do both, I think < 1359017439 708897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1359017441 679512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359017466 958787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty neat if true. < 1359017479 880037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I first heard of them in a talk about magic. < 1359017497 433333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in card magic. < 1359017548 238867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The presentation I saw was, roughly: < 1359017562 637789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving 5 people a deck of cards, telling one of them to cut it randomly. < 1359017570 710619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then have each one take the top card and pass the deck to the next one. < 1359017574 672868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :having < 1359017597 541975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then doing all sorts of mind-reading things and saying "I'm getting a strong sense of RED... Stand up if you have a red card". < 1359017608 985038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then naming all the cards. < 1359017633 482030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the only good "mathematical" magic thing I've ever seen. < 1359017723 424476 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favorite magic trick is the one where the magician plays a simultaneous chess game with extremely skilled people < 1359017730 735114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and beats/ties half < 1359017749 378868 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by copying the moves of one half of the players against the other half, to play them against each other < 1359017751 35235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that presented as a puzzle, not a magic trick. < 1359017764 954962 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I think I remember hearing it done by a magician or something < 1359017768 459499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm wrong < 1359017778 485496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magicians will do anything these days! < 1359017785 476196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first came across it in a computer game. < 1359017804 451452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a program that used the same idea to spy on people's conversations on omegle.com < 1359017812 382858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble is, most people's conversations are very boring. < 1359017856 95724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume other people have done the same thing there. Who knows how many relays your messages are going through! That's the trouble with anonymity.) < 1359017987 160015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359017994 540414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1359018028 729352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Anyway isn't that card magic thing great? < 1359018053 127644 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works by putting the cards in a de bruijin sequnece or something? < 1359018072 761175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359018075 378386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1359018081 279282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have red/black as bits, so you make a base-2 de bruijn sequence. < 1359018094 488448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have 6 people, that's enough for 64 cards. < 1359018105 342119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can encode the suit in two bits and the value in 4 bits. < 1359018119 879984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He came up with a system such that he doesn't have to memorize the whole sequence, too, he can just work it out. < 1359018132 435423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty neat how the more people you have, the easier it gets. < 1359018137 46668 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, cool :o < 1359018140 128441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With 5 people you can only do 32 cards.) < 1359018206 885452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain Are you thinking what I'm thinking? < 1359018207 104221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Troz! < 1359018210 804232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1359018211 774097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain Are you thinking what I'm thinking? < 1359018211 993286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, Commander Brain from Outer Space! But do we have time to grease the rockets? < 1359018260 722561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many neat applications of De Bruijn sequences. < 1359018294 318153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a keypad lock that doesn't require an "end" key, you can come up with the shortest sequence that will try every combination. < 1359018319 714889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember some other neat applications. < 1359018654 413060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will look it up in Wikipedia so that I can understand it better. < 1359018701 291157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Perhaps you should move to California. < 1359018707 564567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you would understand it well. < 1359018711 120236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is certainly a good idea, I think. < 1359018752 969376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving to California? < 1359018780 573942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean De Bruijn < 1359018787 530922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1359018797 167332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :De Bruijn invented everything good. < 1359018850 478335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not everything; I just like mathematics, though. < 1359018898 827691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He invented De Bruijn indices, too. < 1359018905 86955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other good things. < 1359018955 224126 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359019085 329457 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359019636 355856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359019681 751397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sometimes. < 1359019711 685304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you search for your nick or read the whole thing? < 1359019752 760877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both. < 1359019769 623879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty both < 1359019771 280087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> (a, a) -> f (b, b) < 1359019790 6921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's too damn long or i'm too tired or the goblins in the cupboard are too noisy. < 1359019792 723899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any opinions on debru ijn sequences? < 1359019887 44142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something about how they're less repetitive than you". < 1359020054 774374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a "de burn-ij" reply. < 1359020144 806120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARN FINNS STEALING OUR PUNS < 1359020155 678460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are yoerjan calling me repetitive? < 1359020195 710473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has Norwegian invented puns yet? < 1359020283 909208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, we stole them from the brits, who stole them from the french, who stole them from the romans who stole them from the greeks who stole them from the phoenicians who stole them from the babylonians who got them from ancient aliens and what was i saying about being repetitive again. < 1359020320 351926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you don't steal from ancient aliens, look how that went for the gomorrans) < 1359020402 313971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 stolenpuns < 1359020402 787812 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgbyrachaf < 1359020416 41431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ancient aliens didn't invent them either, they just got it from time travelers (together with the time travel) < 1359020575 112366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I searched for newspeak sgeo "Did you mean: newspeak good " < 1359020580 903659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :934) I searched for newspeak sgeo "Did you mean: newspeak good " < 1359020836 44683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn it intel why do you have 38573645 different instructions named "shuffle" <-- are they in random order too? < 1359020867 545589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're formatted differently too! < 1359020873 719803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :934 quotes, isn't that a bit too many quotes? < 1359020877 550817 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shufps, pshufd~ < 1359020907 984150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not if they're all good < 1359020943 626564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet kmc is working on a super-secret weblog post that we all can't know about. < 1359020955 915220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why he's being so secretive. < 1359020983 796564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are they all good? < 1359021017 155404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno but when they do that five quote thing they frequently don't find anything to delete < 1359021019 816410 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359021051 465528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359021124 423599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 934 quote is not too much, is OK to have many quotations, I think. < 1359021163 169827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359021215 723072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is it okay to have many quotations? < 1359021216 434299 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( the native sparc variant, that is and it seems to me that it's lf not crlf < 1359021232 991669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Not helpful. < 1359021234 397194 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i feel bad now. that feels weird. riastradh, are you putting the poor parentheses all apart and away from their comrades? < 1359021251 647343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't see why CPU architectures can't have favoured line endings… < 1359021268 326681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not helpful re the amount of quotes, I mean. < 1359021277 781240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1359021310 313763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I didn't know fungot even had feelings.) < 1359021310 786930 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for instance clc-intercal exposed a bug in my code < 1359021332 156616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot fungot < 1359021333 359810 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if we have ( ( rec ( f n d c) ( ( a) it determines what code one uses to access structure members. a functor is a class < 1359021337 631826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359021349 746630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know all about subtyping? < 1359021368 869173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: slightly < 1359021382 665752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly in the context of Javaish OO, because I teach Java < 1359021383 894208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like subtyping is way more complicated than not-subtyping. < 1359021390 162635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am going up to the lecture room in a couple of minutes < 1359021404 934003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also mutability + subtyping sounds really complicated. < 1359021419 877638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally teach on Thursdays this term, but I'm covering for someone who hadn't been hired at the time < 1359021420 137102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: Oh, I missed it. <-- wat. < 1359021426 657773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you know Java has covariant arrays?! < 1359021431 903771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutable arrays, I mean. < 1359021434 328914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty crazy, huh. < 1359021434 802055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1359021444 996481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1359021459 993656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: * shachaf doesn't track megaseconds. < 1359021462 49945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and the fact that they only have the one sort of variance catches people out < 1359021477 368236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only have one sort of variance? < 1359021491 108303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, it was megasecond 1,359. < 1359021491 664419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable arrays are supposed to be invariant. < 1359021496 371528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run date +%s < 1359021497 356267 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1359021496 < 1359021523 113358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's significant about that... < 1359021523 825437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc used a secret type of message not visible to glogbot to say it, though. < 1359021606 884612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every megasecond is significant. < 1359021621 94274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only so many of them left, after all. < 1359021647 658058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink megasecond in days < 1359021656 420172 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2194560000 m s^2 (unknown unit type) < 1359021661 389594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat. < 1359021670 167916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink Ms in days < 1359021677 257829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2194560000 m s^2 (unknown unit type) < 1359021683 201982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1359021691 267537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink megasecond --> days < 1359021698 46981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error: , line 1, near column 12 \ megasecond --> days \ ^ \ 1 error(s) occurred during parsing. < 1359021701 392268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink megasecond -> days < 1359021708 537320 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :625/54 (approx. 11.574074074074074) < 1359021716 664130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1359021782 781933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Wikipedia is sometimes nicely deadpan in tone. < 1359021786 144206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to Terence McKenna, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, which would eventually reach a singularity of infinite complexity in 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable would occur simultaneously. He conceived this idea over several years in the early to mid-1970s whilst using psilocybin mushrooms and DMT." < 1359021819 915537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love psilocybin mushrooms and DMT < 1359021821 99544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy < 1359021864 881120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also has had such teleological attractor ideas while completely sober < 1359021894 241441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to immediately understand the term without having seen it before < 1359021977 762531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should also write software such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timewave_9_11_2001.png then. < 1359022079 845999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slightly wonders about that public domain dedication < 1359022128 373994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359022209 652023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359025352 804489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359026806 2706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359027533 969526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the Hausdorff paradox good? < 1359027546 164222 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359027549 715735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan would surely know, but he's gone. < 1359027558 343624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps he'll logread. < 1359027649 663579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359027653 314082 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1359027794 484066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel kind of cheated. < 1359027813 334761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a talk about the Banach-Tarski paradox but it looks like it was only about the Hausdorff paradox? < 1359028157 566712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you go to a *real* talk on the Banach-Tarski paradox, you'll actually hear two talks on the Banach-Tarski paradox. < 1359028324 461658 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359028343 884694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the banach-tarski paradox is weird to me < 1359028359 301228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's intuitively not a paradox, you just take alternating real numbers and split the spheres apart that way < 1359028373 952826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, you can't do that, which why weird fractals have to be used instead < 1359028380 539531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's intuitively much the same thing < 1359028451 570212 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359028466 863972 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-167.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359028544 483969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "paradox" part is really about the definition of volume, or something. < 1359028689 107557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359028734 728941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you think of it as a solid ball made out of some nebulous things called "points", and that "volume" just means how many of those there are, then it's paradoxical to make two same-sized equally solid balls out of the points of one. < 1359028833 562075 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Points? In my finitism? < 1359028883 73740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought the more impressive thing about the paradox was doing it with finitely many pieces, without fancy transformations < 1359028903 577343 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "you can make two spheres out of one" sorta makes sense since the spheres are infinitely dense, so halving the density makes the result equally dense < 1359028933 605380 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-125.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359028999 11094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five pieces! < 1359029001 425445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it five? < 1359029062 368718 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conjecture: any measurable set in R^3 can be duplicated using only four pieces. < 1359029072 909963 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that is probably false < 1359029095 465461 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-125.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it non-measurable then < 1359029118 399540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the /five/ pieces specifically got me < 1359029125 470364 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like. not just finitely many. but -specifically 5- < 1359029181 393986 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the floor of the cube root of the reciprocal of the fine structure constant < 1359029270 538877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many pieces do you need in four dimensions? < 1359029271 521337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's five times the negative of e to the power of i times π. < 1359029322 256315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like you might need a third axis with 90° rotations? < 1359029328 54713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm just making things up, so who knows. < 1359029475 208844 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's floor(e^e/e). < 1359029539 37965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ball in three dimensions is probably doable with four pieces and a bit of extra force, since one of the pieces of the five-piece case can be a single point, and really, I mean, a single point, right? < 1359029561 158200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version I saw only had a sphere, not a ball. < 1359029575 20441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1359029577 403552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1359029652 498403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The abstract of the five-piece thing -- http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?verb=Display&version=1.0&service=UI&handle=euclid.bams/1183510694&page=record -- says you can do a ball with five, and the surface with four. < 1359029660 53780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how to make it a single point. < 1359029667 190395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's impossible to make it a single point at 4AM. < 1359029703 972033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, you can do a sphere with four? < 1359029708 540940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told you needed five for that. < 1359029739 307493 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://matwbn.icm.edu.pl/ksiazki/fm/fm34/fm34125.pdf found the paper itself ^^ < 1359029759 703540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :papers are so easy to find. i love them < 1359029783 441394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I have the feeling I will understand none of this at 4AM. < 1359029815 599865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll understand this at any AM or PM ~_~ < 1359029866 356060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, by understand I mean at least follow the logic, not intuitively or anything. < 1359030012 697029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talking about banach-tarski? < 1359030039 835592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof of banach-tarski is actually amazingly simple < 1359030059 210210 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359030061 874691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the meat of it doesn't work at the centre of the sphere or along two arbitrary axes < 1359030078 139036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you have all those fiddly extra pieces < 1359030101 411041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think I might be talking about the Hausdorff paradox. < 1359030130 458189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you were talking about banach-tarski earlier! < 1359030189 661781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, if Banach-Tarski is simple, I bet Hausdorff is even simpler? < 1359030205 384670 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359030318 594269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The WP article on Banach-Tarski has a really nice writeup of the proof, FWIW.) < 1359030403 682904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love proofs < 1359030405 884369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1359030437 32212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could even say... trivial < 1359030961 329942 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359031004 553165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/keys/3.0.2/doc/html/Data-Key.html < 1359031034 713079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone arrange for there to be exactly one mathematician per last name? < 1359031040 492170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty confusing otherwise. < 1359031040 728387 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason lens doesn't use that? < 1359031057 813909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk hates it, or something. < 1359031062 286669 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can I reserve being the mathematician called "van Doorn"? < 1359031096 898044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359031098 576949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a mathematician? < 1359031100 233962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop one of the o's first < 1359031102 225704 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359031107 524790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This fellow is sort of a mathematician: http://wwwhome.math.utwente.nl/~doornea/ < 1359031113 382028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Department of Applied Mathematics" -- maybe not. < 1359031120 336002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :University of 20 < 1359031130 249922 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1359031140 603168 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I said "reserve", not "be" < 1359031142 772412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :change your surname to dorn < 1359031151 183498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or van Dooorn. < 1359031160 145265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :van doom < 1359031179 799525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=139020 < 1359031181 599311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=88403 < 1359031184 299405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=51105 < 1359031193 564268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Classification of Regular Holonomic D-Modules" < 1359031201 24219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "holonomic" a thing? < 1359031210 76629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is. < 1359031216 74417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1359031220 585937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two mathematicians with my surname < 1359031228 901745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than Taneb i suppose < 1359031250 794202 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1359031251 510824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-modules even references van Doorn. < 1359031275 990378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is your last name "Hoover"? < 1359031287 888831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359031292 391430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mchoover obviously < 1359031298 266779 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are simply modules over the ring of differential operators < 1359031310 773767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Might want to `learn that. < 1359031311 247814 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359031324 676800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. < 1359031328 33842 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359031341 313537 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359031343 925178 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's begin the lecture with a quick review of some of the most well-known and important results in the field, due to Jake91, TrekMonster, thecrayonguy, and yuckytory. < 1359031422 375548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lewis Carroll and Jafet, the two best-known pioneers in the field of snark. < 1359031530 537394 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /wisdom | paste < 1359031534 764083 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /wisdom: No such file or directory \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1742 < 1359031544 741396 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1359031545 688063 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359031551 348180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1359031552 341093 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1359031555 796810 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | paste < 1359031560 177044 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.746 < 1359031560 507562 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foiled again! < 1359031571 378482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phantom____________________hoover < 1359031572 565231 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Your soundcard works perfectly. < 1359031581 165496 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen < 1359031582 322807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359031582 556981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :välkommen? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359031583 739915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends.? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359031605 751211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 8 < 1359031607 252327 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote 8? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359031612 902444 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1359031614 240377 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri < 1359031627 125209 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1359031628 476012 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. < 1359031637 956450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >wisdom/'footnote 8' "Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes?" < 1359031639 488842 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1359031641 13176 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359031641 486853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1359031642 369833 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1359031654 524184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?footnote 8 < 1359031655 570969 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?footnote: not found < 1359031656 413051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 8 < 1359031657 768953 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? < 1359031664 643467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it worked. < 1359031672 349656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know you could stick >file into the middle of a command line? < 1359031673 882626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. < 1359031694 78811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? object < 1359031695 500270 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An object is just something in a category. < 1359031705 355334 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1359031706 925590 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just categories. < 1359031717 20164 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? help < 1359031718 235053 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359031721 983546 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are categories in the category of categories < 1359031729 913538 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think they are) < 1359031742 62504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for f in wisdom/*; do echo "$f:"; cat "$f"; echo ---; done | paste < 1359031750 595106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359031752 859778 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? friendship < 1359031762 64971 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fortune < 1359031762 774683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2340 \ /hackenv/bin/paste: line 14: 286 File size limit exceededcat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" < 1359031764 263880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship wisdom < 1359031765 198349 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed several design suggestions in your code. < 1359031768 371322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1359031769 849721 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1359031776 161713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? egobot < 1359031777 420981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is my arch-nemesis. < 1359031777 639187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1359031787 51106 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? singleton < 1359031788 235688 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :singleton? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359031804 562127 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lens < 1359031805 510864 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: lens: not found < 1359031810 169792 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lens < 1359031811 356804 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lens is just a store comonad coalgebra. < 1359031814 342941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1359031815 764331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1359031819 331144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359031820 776172 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Im44nƢnt+D \ /B6‡zz[7V8i0V$#ŝ}NTc-R>6ѯ*Bq < 1359031826 718917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo >>wisdom/d-modules " Taneb invented them." < 1359031827 635563 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>>wisdom/d-modules " Taneb invented them." < 1359031836 837312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for f in wisdom/*; do [ "$f" == "ngevd" ] && continue; echo "$f:"; cat "$f"; echo ---; done | paste < 1359031837 430932 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought singletons were categories with a single object, and monoids were the little brothers of groups. < 1359031839 75683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >>wisdom/d-modules " Taneb invented them." < 1359031847 104929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i suck at HackEgo) < 1359031853 872495 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1359031856 63126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27157 \ /hackenv/bin/paste: line 14: 286 File size limit exceededcat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" < 1359031857 682161 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359031858 997898 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359031864 973998 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? D-modules < 1359031865 643327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359031866 351670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359031867 62559 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359031876 181344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalm < 1359031878 572316 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run ls karma < 1359031884 988383 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1359031897 775892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't my thing work? < 1359031909 629737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*gev* < 1359031910 737928 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ngevd < 1359031916 411538 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`walk < 1359031917 169038 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: walk: not found < 1359031918 901023 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run karma < 1359031920 840287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359031923 429313 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault \ Segmentation fault \ lib/karma: 11: arithmetic expression: expecting primary: "-" \ has karma. < 1359031929 274116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for f in wisdom/*; do [ "$f" == "wisdom/ngevd" ] && continue; echo "$f:"; cat "$f"; echo ---; done | paste < 1359031948 783160 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1339 \ cat: wisdom/quote formatting: Not a directory < 1359031949 512174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359031958 283226 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run help < 1359031959 237477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) \ These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. \ Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. \ Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. \ Use `man -k' or `info' to find out more about commands not in this list. \ \ A star (* < 1359031980 678222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -ld wisdom/*matting* < 1359031981 864852 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 16 Jan 12 20:07 wisdom/quote formatting -> wisdom/qdbformat < 1359031991 418517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quote formatting < 1359031992 839077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote formatting? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359032007 35671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/quote formatting < 1359032009 854959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359032064 990638 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat < 1359032066 236449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two < 1359032077 903082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/ngevd . < 1359032080 623529 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359032081 832621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/dal/dahl/g wisdom/* < 1359032086 128876 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359032089 282378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv ngevd wisdom/ < 1359032092 197897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359032138 883422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359032140 81797 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359032155 188252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/ (see also: d-modules)/' wisdom/taneb < 1359032158 176228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359032161 293765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb < 1359032162 928551 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. (see also: d-modules) < 1359032184 227566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb are you guilty of pretending to be a rabbi? < 1359032184 446218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359032367 13326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? siberia < 1359032368 242535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siberia is the capital of Finland. It's where the Fields Medahl was first synthesised. < 1359032372 585377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"casualties of peace" < 1359032857 190301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainf**k < 1359032858 375338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinking of brainfuck. < 1359032871 571470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brain < 1359032873 96102 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brains are just receptacles for bricks. < 1359032876 96754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brick < 1359032877 512353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brick goes in brain. The statutory punishment for perpetrators of brainfuck derivatives. < 1359032881 590087 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359032999 225903 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359033146 763650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/ga* < 1359033147 957941 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 72 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/gaspacho \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 72 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/gazpacho < 1359033157 675662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run diff wisdom/ga* < 1359033158 926264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359033193 475502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tomato soup < 1359033194 684364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomato soup? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359033454 823736 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run stat wisdom/ga* < 1359033455 839749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File: `wisdom/gaspacho' \ Size: 72 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 10h/16d Inode: 751966 Links: 1 \ Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2013-01-24 12:54:45.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2013-01-24 12:54:44.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2013-01-24 12:54:44.00000000 < 1359033474 29561 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run stat wisdom/gaz* < 1359033475 214580 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File: `wisdom/gazpacho' \ Size: 72 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 10h/16d Inode: 751967 Links: 1 \ Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2013-01-24 12:54:45.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2013-01-24 12:54:44.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2013-01-24 12:54:44.00000000 < 1359033519 21543 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/gazpacho && ln -s gaspacho wisdom/gazpacho < 1359033522 182986 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359033528 820372 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1359033530 10574 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1359033813 395498 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359034017 278554 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in esolangs where programs can accept input, how do you usually send the source code to the interpreter? < 1359034036 722624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :avian carrier < 1359034114 328702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl, through a file or with an IO separator. < 1359034138 372927 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1359034304 493431 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1359036248 554461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359036385 372188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1359036642 344312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359038381 703112 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359038408 679211 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359039451 859440 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359039759 607828 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1359041962 681755 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1359042415 520172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359042917 530710 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359043149 175368 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359044126 236476 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359044456 187449 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I am guilty of playing a rabbi on stage < 1359044467 350764 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then going to the pub in full costume and make-up as a rabbi < 1359044528 894604 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359044829 482570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't seen it already < 1359044831 524214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359044832 994350 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359044847 274190 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The christmas update? < 1359045097 695384 :Strigoides!~Strigoide@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359045105 461942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359045345 328282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It just occurred to me: the last time we saw that tree, Jade was celebrating the April 13th. Maybe this means we are finally on April 13th, 2012." < 1359047577 506673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `learn < 1359047578 639610 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`learn is `learn < 1359047738 724406 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359047819 828108 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? david_werecat < 1359047821 223176 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359048037 52775 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359048062 278228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359048705 676663 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359049022 177090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359049788 730558 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359049896 703076 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359049937 289993 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359049942 638405 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359049942 879486 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 QUIT :Changing host < 1359049943 98117 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359050026 288968 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I found out I have a knack for vectors < 1359050041 184359 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? < 1359050130 444514 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vectors aren't hard < 1359050217 424695 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about maths vectors or computer science vectors? < 1359050248 95173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former < 1359050261 778630 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A knack relative to those around me < 1359050309 327441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: For example? < 1359050338 143883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disease vectors < 1359050404 216927 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a couple of sheets of exercises to do, I was the only person to finish < 1359050446 436259 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found most of them really obvious and everyone else was struggling < 1359050466 654462 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's because I already knew how vectors worked? < 1359050656 378700 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1359050831 728286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359050884 386764 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359051252 728592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl, cs vectors are just a subset of maths vectors < 1359051258 35208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait, no they aren't < 1359051262 484983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no scalar multiplication < 1359051291 193658 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking specifically of c++ vectors, which are the only ones I know about < 1359051302 822407 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like arrays but they resize themselves < 1359051420 686362 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1359051469 210793 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359052204 689954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cs vectors have pretty much nothing to do with math vectors < 1359052228 199829 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359052234 465266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Phantom_Hoover mentioned, they have no linear structure (which is essentially all vector spaces are) < 1359052249 282765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: imo you are a linear structure <:-) < 1359052257 962155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i realised about 30 seconds later that you can't even add them < 1359052260 634083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid cs people < 1359052281 871507 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, vector spaces can be concretely represented as tuples containing elements of the underlying field. this is essentially c++ vectors over a type, but with fixed size. < 1359052309 862429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1359052317 47468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you represent all vector spaces that way < 1359052342 383160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense, yes, but the fixed size might not be finite < 1359052348 898023 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :every vector space has a basis < 1359052359 567847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not necessarily a finite one < 1359052381 894543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have a basis? zornify. < 1359052394 787660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, duh < 1359052446 41340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely, zornify sets of linearly independent sets. every chain has an upper bound since a union of such sets is still linearly independent. and a maximal linearly independent set is actually a basis < 1359052461 709454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it doesn't span some element, which means that element can be added to the set etc < 1359052467 473439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(etc meaning qed) < 1359052481 847346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1359052491 967318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zornify linearly independent sets. or something. < 1359052563 792692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what sort of problems? < 1359052835 76589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably dot and cross products and/or parametrised planes in 3d < 1359052849 827275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was all vectors were at advanced higher < 1359053249 932518 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359053498 811202 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, vector addition and scalar multiplication < 1359053502 65923 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty easy stuff < 1359053531 145702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like you're given two vectors and you have to add them? < 1359053578 687990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is Taneb < 1359053587 880885 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am 18 < 1359053609 771285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1359053629 344644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand why they are still teaching arithmetic at that age < 1359053669 475856 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, slightly more applied than that. "OACB forms a parallelogram. If O -> A is 3i + j and O -> B is 2i - 2j; what is O -> C < 1359053670 689042 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1359053709 467022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that more applied than summing two vectors? < 1359053720 56231 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's applied to geometry < 1359053725 457091 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1359053728 926555 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it puts it in a question < 1359053730 527482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you're right < 1359053737 995737 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "What is 3i + j + 2i - 2j" < 1359053751 439914 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1359053757 863920 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use this one very often, do I < 1359053758 83171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Hovercraft: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1359053763 244820 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1359053763 659583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 4m 21d 3h 30m 33s ago: hi < 1359053815 222549 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1359053819 843101 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :4m ago < 1359053823 118414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try NetHack 4 at some point < 1359053823 934277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice jorb < 1359054211 492837 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1359054356 857413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, don't you even do vector products < 1359054370 172493 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359054517 139158 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359054578 203420 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not yet < 1359054579 106816 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows < 1359054585 775339 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't checked the syllabus < 1359054671 918987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you do at some point < 1359055718 461657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had this game as a little kid (iirc) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdVPp6HccTY < 1359056253 144104 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359056260 768325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359056403 266214 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359056559 89619 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359056565 507254 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1359056736 811826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo < 1359056841 364961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is the hausdorff paradox. < 1359056856 673440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hell owelcome to #esoteirc and america < 1359056861 676731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we,r'e happy < 1359056870 731192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if slightly mispled < 1359057013 674360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 because it's intuitively not a paradox, you just take alternating real numbers and split the spheres apart that way <-- well the fun comes when you realize you _cannot_ do banach-tarski with just a disk instead of a sphere... < 1359057013 915345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359057208 831188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: q: whats an naagram of banach-tarski < 1359057216 856005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a: iksach-tarban < 1359057250 895723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1359057252 179635 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1359057258 161361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my joesk funnier imo < 1359057265 994444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1359057458 170452 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359057710 613004 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359057763 280853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:48:41: Categories are categories in the category of categories < 1359057763 527770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:48:49: (I don't think they are) < 1359057776 831574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just change the second "categories" to "objects" hth < 1359057801 122341 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Categories < 1359057802 434105 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359057806 902209 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1359057807 414114 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just categories. < 1359057848 863871 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359057850 335115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359057871 292486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coapple < 1359057872 503077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coapple? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359057877 970235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? co < 1359057879 16636 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :co? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359057881 805601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? complement < 1359057883 271919 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :complement? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359057979 28158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359057980 236558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359058001 319807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor < 1359058002 694795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. < 1359058063 747128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fmt wisdom/d-modules >wisdom/d-module; rm wisdom/d-modules < 1359058067 446913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359058071 650935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1359058073 115556 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359058080 49532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1359058104 427150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '%j' wisdom/d-module < 1359058105 633361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `%' < 1359058115 184787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 'j' wisdom/d-module < 1359058116 222899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `j' < 1359058139 723785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmble probably vim-only < 1359058152 417090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we having a fun oerjan < 1359058304 800694 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes & < 1359058305 823491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1359058331 544192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1s/\n//' wisdom/d-module < 1359058332 509010 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359058336 641686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1359058337 851392 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359058631 223501 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run od -x wisdom/d-module < 1359058632 591700 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 2d44 6f6d 7564 656c 2073 7261 2065 756a \ 0000020 7473 6d20 646f 6c75 7365 6f20 6576 2072 \ 0000040 6874 2065 6972 676e 6f20 2066 6964 6666 \ 0000060 7265 6e65 6974 6c61 6f20 6570 6172 6f74 \ 0000100 7372 0a2e 5420 6e61 6265 6920 766e 6e65 \ 0000120 6574 2064 6874 6d65 0a2e \ 0000132 < 1359058648 750592 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not as helpful as I was hoping X-D < 1359058655 328430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1359058677 242948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/d-module | sed 's/\\/LOL/g' < 1359058678 653151 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. \ Taneb invented them. < 1359058681 635207 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's a newline. < 1359058692 101006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e '1N' -e 's/\n//' wisdom/d-module < 1359058695 133758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359058699 124589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1359058700 594737 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359058712 687409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles maniackally < 1359058724 241656 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run od -Ax -tx1z -v wisdom/d-module < 1359058725 400081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000 44 2d 6d 6f 64 75 6c 65 73 20 61 72 65 20 6a 75 >D-modules are ju< \ 000010 73 74 20 6d 6f 64 75 6c 65 73 20 6f 76 65 72 20 >st modules over < \ 000020 74 68 65 20 72 69 6e 67 20 6f 66 20 64 69 66 66 >the ring of diff< \ 000030 65 72 65 6e 74 69 61 6c 20 6f 70 65 72 61 74 6f >erential operato< \ 000040 72 73 2e 20 54 61 6e 65 62 20 69 6e < 1359058728 653478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s category wisdom/categories < 1359058731 549978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359058736 995886 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? categories < 1359058738 375536 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just categories. < 1359058756 623563 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fg < 1359058757 658744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: fg: no job control < 1359058762 332865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1359058782 573579 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 5 & ; echo In fact, it will always wait for all processes to terminate. < 1359058783 530909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `;' \ bash: -c: line 0: `sleep 5 & ; echo In fact, it will always wait for all processes to terminate.' < 1359058786 376807 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errrrr < 1359058791 526424 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what I mean X-D < 1359058799 452300 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom < 1359058800 562422 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? \ ? \ ⌨ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ais523 \ america \ atriq \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bike \ boily \ bonvenon \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ c \ cakeprophet \ california \ categories \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ d-module \ egobot \ ehird \ elliott \ endofunctor \ endomorphism \ england \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ fin < 1359058804 466686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1359058811 580340 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1359058813 659559 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1359058814 142736 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See `? for further details. < 1359058855 845999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :backtick question question keyboard snowman. < 1359058863 411181 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 🐐 < 1359058864 840132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.) < 1359058867 523793 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`⌨ < 1359058868 721520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ⌨: not found < 1359058892 615891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo test; echo ho) | sed '1N' < 1359058894 418857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test \ ho < 1359058929 262348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it actually preserves the newline then < 1359059070 503967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*s < 1359059071 742274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/categories \ wisdom/finns \ wisdom/lens \ wisdom/maths \ wisdom/monads \ wisdom/oceans \ wisdom/the us \ wisdom/united states < 1359059087 435801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1359059088 991152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359059092 299814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1359059093 989739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359059120 538208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/monad* < 1359059121 802558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 57 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/monad \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 57 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/monads \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 261 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/monad tutorial < 1359059136 190845 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad tutorial < 1359059137 254040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of a monad as a spacesuite full of nuclear waste in the ocean next to a container of apples. now, you can't put oranges in the space suite or the nucelar waste falls in the ocean, but the apples are carried around anyway, and you just take what you need. < 1359059140 85468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/categor* < 1359059141 426041 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 8 Jan 24 20:18 wisdom/categories -> category \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 32 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/category < 1359059148 538890 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacesuite < 1359059160 699571 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a suite in space < 1359059166 872320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/monads; ln -s wisdom/monad wisdom/monads < 1359059167 597029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/monad tutorial < 1359059170 223162 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359059171 671344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359059404 318911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1359059406 386578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1359059407 593134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359059410 626522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1359059412 113589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359059416 115646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE < 1359059445 517922 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.138.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359059456 179927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359059458 727445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359059463 440769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1359059464 521677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359059474 935940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1359059475 955782 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] || { echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; } \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1359059502 384198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/categories < 1359059505 163449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359059511 687761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1359059512 693187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just categories. < 1359059535 684810 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.138.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone else entered Al Zimmermann's programming contest? < 1359059604 539430 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/* < 1359059605 596424 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/`? \ wisdom/? \ wisdom/☃ \ wisdom/⌨ \ wisdom/🐐 \ wisdom/ais523 \ wisdom/america \ wisdom/atriq \ wisdom/augur \ wisdom/banach-tarski \ wisdom/bike \ wisdom/boily \ wisdom/bonvenon \ wisdom/brain \ wisdom/brainf**k \ wisdom/brainfuck \ wisdom/brick \ wisdom/burma \ wisdom/c \ wisdom/cakeprophet \ wisdom/california \ wisdom/category \ w < 1359059621 39489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ⌨ < 1359059622 111998 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are probably using one right now! < 1359059626 990218 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah. I knew it! < 1359059653 658073 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359059657 752665 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? c < 1359059659 193656 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault < 1359059720 665260 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the category one that was about endomorphisms :( < 1359059850 57369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endomorphism < 1359059851 471826 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endomorphisms are just morphisms which compose with themselves. < 1359059880 97000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: which one? < 1359059905 933951 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember, it was "categories are just..." format < 1359059970 587847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote analogies.are < 1359059970 845365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmwit says: analogies are endofunctors in the category of bad explanations < 1359060028 411582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you sure it started with categories < 1359060073 592392 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1359060206 482891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1359060207 892120 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359060242 644819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor < 1359060244 181003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. < 1359060251 109638 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-125.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359060251 590706 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what I was thinking of. < 1359060255 611665 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mystery Solved < 1359060469 860486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | grep -v ngevd | xargs grep -H dahl < 1359060471 455433 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: `?: No such file or directory \ grep: ?: No such file or directory \ grep: ⌨: No such file or directory \ grep: ☃: No such file or directory \ grep: 🐐: No such file or directory \ grep: ais523: No such file or directory \ grep: america: No such file or directory \ grep: atriq: No such file or directory \ grep: augur: No such file or di < 1359060529 790861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; ls | grep -v ngevd | xargs grep -H dahl < 1359060531 377831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonvenon:bonvenon Bonvenon al la internacia centro por la desegno kaj ellaso de esoteraj programlingvoj! Por pli da informado, vizitu la Viki-o: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Por la alia speco de esotero, iru al #esoteric sur irc.dahl.net.) \ esoteric:This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc. < 1359060576 927860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; ls | grep -v ngevd | xargs grep -l dahl < 1359060578 696408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonvenon \ esoteric \ grep: footnote: No such file or directory \ grep: 8: No such file or directory \ grep: misspellings: No such file or directory \ grep: of: No such file or directory \ grep: croissant: No such file or directory \ grep: natural: No such file or directory \ grep: transformation: No such file or directory \ grep: shachaf: No such < 1359060599 642589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1359060665 472016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; find -print0 | grep -v ngevd | xargs -0 grep -l dahl < 1359060666 862913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359060682 765107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh wait. < 1359060780 745134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; mv ngevd ..; grep -l dahl *; mv ../ngevd . < 1359060782 571655 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonvenon \ esoteric \ siberia \ välkommen \ welcome \ wercome < 1359060791 320304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bonvenon < 1359060792 353734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonvenon Bonvenon al la internacia centro por la desegno kaj ellaso de esoteraj programlingvoj! Por pli da informado, vizitu la Viki-o: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Por la alia speco de esotero, iru al #esoteric sur irc.dahl.net.) < 1359060798 331285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric < 1359060800 207443 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dahl.net. < 1359060805 73112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? siberia < 1359060806 554715 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siberia is the capital of Finland. It's where the Fields Medahl was first synthesised. < 1359060861 565325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen < 1359060862 779970 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dahl.net.) < 1359060868 291603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1359060869 753729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dahl.net.) < 1359060873 410227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wercome < 1359060874 907880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dahl.netの#esotericへ) < 1359060883 400093 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1359060935 111871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; mv ngevd ..; sed -i 's/dahl/dal/g' * ; mv ../ngevd . < 1359060939 206180 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359061011 710439 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1359061012 107899 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359061025 516311 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.212.152.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359061027 585725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf > 1359061027 597457 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359061027 805091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric shachaf :WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU < 1359061034 852661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1359061034 876223 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359061042 564087 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1359061054 154089 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1359061093 803870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand, the japanese translation is very good, but then ørjan banned shachaf with extreme prejudice. < 1359061145 240676 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... wut < 1359061145 540327 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did oerjan just kickban shachaf < 1359061172 64446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run sed -i s/dal/dahl/g wisdom/* < 1359061205 732579 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1359061273 727917 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359061281 838253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, fix it properly: < 1359061291 356279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gaspacho < 1359061292 370166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1359061295 115085 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 1713 < 1359061295 376690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell just happened < 1359061297 443414 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359061301 406579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1359061302 824246 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1359061309 872197 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -r1703:1702 | patch -p1 < 1359061315 545317 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file wisdom/bonvenon \ patching file wisdom/esoteric \ patching file wisdom/monad \ patching file wisdom/siberia \ patching file wisdom/välkommen \ patching file wisdom/welcome \ patching file wisdom/wercome < 1359061326 708597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1359061331 30768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1359061332 563489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you kickban shachaf < 1359061357 456906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw that's the same as hg diff -c 1703 < 1359061358 181919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui < 1359061370 135518 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herpdurp < 1359061378 335126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 8 < 1359061380 72166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? < 1359061385 983100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone understand this entry < 1359061392 369616 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 42 < 1359061393 339783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote 42? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359061397 958822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what d-modules are < 1359061405 700634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359061407 144356 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-modules? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359061416 429812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw it is annoying that the revision numbers are not shown on the main log listing < 1359061418 616932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can't exactly explain now < 1359061426 24457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like SOMEONE removed an entry by accident < 1359061430 47790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn D-Modules are simply modules in the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359061433 78458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1359061433 887655 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359061434 852409 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359061439 477089 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, 'struth... happen to know of an hgweb style that shows them? < 1359061448 283591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/d-modules < 1359061451 63062 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359061455 44556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im idiot < 1359061458 652180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well there you go < 1359061477 620438 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `learn learns about `learn. < 1359061480 779124 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359061487 229419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REMOVED IT BECAUSE LOOKUPS SHOULD BE SINGULAR FIRST, ALSO SOFT LINKS DON'T WORK IN WISDOM < 1359061490 239627 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `learn < 1359061491 635233 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`learn learns about `learn. < 1359061499 963349 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. oh well... < 1359061503 532854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aum < 1359061506 46558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/`learn < 1359061507 50055 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1359061513 461478 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/\`learn < 1359061516 674133 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359061524 963633 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/ngevd < 1359061525 965213 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 12 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/ngevd -> /dev/urandom < 1359061561 212756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | grep '^qu' < 1359061562 205392 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quachaf \ queegan \ quoerjan \ quørjan \ quote \ quotes < 1359061570 548955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | grep 'rjan$' < 1359061572 48487 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoerjan \ quørjan \ translatetoerjan \ zalgoerjan < 1359061630 224655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zalgoerjan < 1359061631 470326 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zalgoerjan? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359061640 907862 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zalgoerjan < 1359061642 429011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :o̐eͨȓj̱a̽n̯ ͐ < 1359061649 607782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok i don't know why ngevd works when the others didn't. < 1359061658 170633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1359061660 109790 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1359061662 779826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359061664 350909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$8544LoۮOƴ?H\rb+E/lq:)~%0] '+.Puy!TIӫ \ 6/ȱtO5h \ *YgƿRZj54O?Нq/FB8fr(.#mh-,jOm *ωb̗lÖS_d 2tQ1Yu^|-!F_s9fp"lHji!\F*t%:@62n%i2 ܵ㛫lŅ.kT"e8^#֡4HJ6R{јq%Zh < 1359061668 513165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why did that work. < 1359061672 158786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEK < 1359061678 738769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ngevd entry is the best thing in the universe imo < 1359061680 848962 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Since when do the others not? category worked fine. < 1359061717 226692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd transcends links. < 1359061727 703559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1359061737 693791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't ngevd a hardlink < 1359061748 243385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l wisdom/ngevd < 1359061749 227235 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1359061756 552638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runls -l wisdom/ngevd < 1359061757 515992 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: runls: not found < 1359061759 488337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/ngevd < 1359061760 722676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 12 Jan 24 12:54 wisdom/ngevd -> /dev/urandom < 1359061767 148935 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this window is the worst window < 1359061896 144952 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-212-152-46.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359061896 387678 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.212.152.46 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359061907 279378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: while you're at it find a style that allows wikipedia style single change undo. i made a mess and now you've already changed things. :( which is the same reason i got angry at shachaf btw :P < 1359061947 842375 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single change undo: `run hg diff -c | patch -p1 < 1359061962 517604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ITYM patch -R < 1359061965 178672 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, patch -R -c1 for -c < 1359061967 671616 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1359061969 706867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1359061978 732162 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch -R -p1 >_< < 1359061980 181359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#!/bin/sh" >bin/undo; echo 'hg diff -c "$@" | patch -R' >>bin/undo; chmod +x bin/undo < 1359061980 903881 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get what I mean. < 1359061984 106669 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359061985 262598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the form I've used in the patch < 1359061987 247589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1359061987 971572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past < 1359062003 238084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it needs -p1... < 1359062034 832055 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 1721 < 1359062036 482704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next patch, when reversed, would delete the file undo, \ which does not exist! Ignore -R? [n] \ Apply anyway? [n] \ Skipping patch. \ 1 out of 1 hunk ignored < 1359062040 753696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1359062061 480567 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 1721 < 1359062063 222312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff -r 63d5921a3c8a -r ab80805a8878 bin/undo \ --- /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 \ +++ b/bin/undo Thu Jan 24 21:13:03 2013 +0000 \ @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ \ +#!/bin/sh \ +hg diff -c "$@" | patch -R < 1359062067 690884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log?revcount=100&rev=-R < 1359062072 969159 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is -p0 >_> < 1359062075 260025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shows that I've used | patch -R in the past < 1359062081 185380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1359062082 663885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359062083 641983 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm imagining things. < 1359062277 246071 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1359062277 284126 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359062292 144723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf > 1359062292 167273 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359062301 465078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1359062301 487605 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359063093 270487 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359063532 808610 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359064103 151166 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359064519 364709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do GCC or LLVM do any calculation such as strlen and strdup and so on at compile time if possible? < 1359064574 989429 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strdup at compile time? < 1359064695 406205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if there is a code only running once, which calls strdup("Hello, World!") which is also known not to be realloc or free, it might be able to place it in a separate buffer if the target ABI supports that, and the optimization settings are correct for that. < 1359064719 195503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if it is dynamic and runs more than once, the string length can be optimized if it is faster to copy the memory knowing the length ahead of time. < 1359064750 762004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the new C standards have a "memdup" command, or only "strdup"? < 1359064764 407970 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcpy? < 1359064830 928808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that memdup will be like malloc and memcpy together. < 1359064947 389480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even such optimization that might be done, such as printf("%u",x%10) might be able to be changed to putchar((x%10)+'0') < 1359064956 571112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1359064973 701379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strdup with you casting the memory to char* isn't ok? < 1359064991 473066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it might have nulls < 1359064992 510989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops? < 1359064996 445293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1359065008 687885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that is what I mean. < 1359065019 283357 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, memdup seems easy to write, at least < 1359065019 502355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1359065034 216112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do think it is easy to write. < 1359065058 369486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess oerjan is really not a fan of Roald Dahl? < 1359065079 830238 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf for constant strings seems like it'd be a profitable optimization, not to mention helps safety? < 1359065096 595871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf what did you do < 1359065113 623070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What oerjan said. < 1359065133 968987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan what did you say < 1359065143 532929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:59:32: `run sed -i s/dal/dahl/g wisdom/* < 1359065153 397948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something mentioned on esolang wiki is optimizing to save energy. Does any compiler do this? Is it even possible in any cases? < 1359065180 259004 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, physical power? < 1359065187 220992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1359065198 697438 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for embedded systems or something, i doubt anyone cares for desktops < 1359065243 653583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "We might call you in a few months if an entry-level Python position becomes available" the same as "Fuck you, you'll never hear from us again?" < 1359065431 110808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess oerjan is really not a fan of Roald Dahl? <-- not when he's sabotaging urls, no. < 1359065471 122943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a domain name, not a URL. < 1359065486 311058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, OK? URLs are off-limits? < 1359065593 791333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE AN EXHAUSTIVE RULE < 1359065648 333858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the whole point of HackEgo was chaos etc. or something. < 1359065801 376773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from chaos one passes to enlightened dictatorship. haven't you read your hobbes? < 1359065807 297626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me neither) < 1359066099 467278 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome bachaf < 1359066384 134126 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359066659 999414 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omg you finally banned shachaf < 1359066664 694601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is he back? < 1359066707 205941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1359066726 772024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps thay should be "finally shachaf" ... one does not simply the verb, after all < 1359066746 757916 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359066944 579485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Very little has been said about this... " is not an appropriate start of the thousandth repost of the runner-does-nice-thing picture and story < 1359067009 341474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a related story: whenever someone has their faith in humanity restored, mine is torn asunder yet again) < 1359067401 978800 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359067525 494831 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359067677 320824 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359067810 416753 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359068153 358828 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359068319 100429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out how serious oerjan was. < 1359068382 127267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what happens when I switch languages is something like < 1359068386 746411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuc < 1359068387 952480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was very annoyed. < 1359068388 674485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1359068394 124440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are my socks < 1359068397 687695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wastebin < 1359068446 260079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm obviously looking for Smalltalk-like languages, why not just go Smalltalk.... ... I'm obviously looking for a language that does W, why not G which is known for W < 1359068449 594176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lather, rinse, repeat < 1359068463 957638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or I avoid looking at G because of Q < 1359068484 87594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do they have holes? < 1359068489 974659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359068493 815960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Q may be a bad stereotype of the reason I last stoppe d at G, which was actually reason R < 1359068500 556125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidgeons have holes, socks don't? < 1359068503 363336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I am an alphabet. < 1359068519 448454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo cut down on your variables < 1359068531 960832 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-letter variable names are a blight sgeo < 1359068553 891312 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does a jig < 1359068554 130089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote why the fuc i was very annoyed. k are my socks in the wastebin < 1359068557 200420 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :935) why the fuc i was very annoyed. k are my socks in the wastebin < 1359068568 306292 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat < 1359068569 641428 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two < 1359068573 683225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wat. < 1359068590 949616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I am in love with Phantom_Hoover's inadvertant double meaning of k < 1359068610 920125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is where Sgeo meticulously reformats according to The Rules, then someone decides the quote isn't funny in the first place) < 1359068623 680243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So... No changing `welcome? < 1359068628 600721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359068629 604143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : single-letter variable names are a blight sgeo < 1359068630 848693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359068644 762203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: k < 1359068645 469230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer scientist pansy < 1359068656 490285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote why the fuc i was very annoyed. k are my socks in the wastebin < 1359068659 822625 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :935) why the fuc i was very annoyed. k are my socks in the wastebin < 1359068663 563547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, or did I screw up? < 1359068685 168600 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A BLIGHT < 1359068688 628687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean seriously, why would you ever want more than 100 variables < 1359068704 724299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wastebin looked like it was cut off for a second < 1359068705 727251 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh don't remind me of TI programming < 1359068726 856402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i suggest sitting very still and not moving. then _maybe_ you won't annoy me. < 1359068729 731567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, ok, next time I shall use foo bar baz foobar foobaz barfoo barbaz etc < 1359068741 214581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just blew it, didn't he. < 1359068768 996368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Should I leave? < 1359068774 55416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't leave :( < 1359068774 289999 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: damn straight < 1359068821 908567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concurs with everyone whom it is possible to concur with even if said concurring implies holding contradictory beliefs about whether shachaf should leave < 1359068830 615461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i wasn't being entirely sreiosu in the two pervious sentiwtf is with my typing < 1359068832 275454 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIATHELIST < 1359068836 842281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superficiality < 1359068841 71114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great npov there wikipedia < 1359068847 436816 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i can't spell that word reliably < 1359068849 580741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to scroll back to a shachaf ban motivation but found "* oerjan cackles maniackally" < 1359068868 398550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf probably literally asked for it though < 1359068887 338094 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nuh uh it's cited. "21stC urban parlance speaks of 'a barometer of shallowness...the scale of superficiality'.[3]" < 1359068904 58751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, I stopped with the asking-to-be-kicked thing a while ago. < 1359068911 506116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cited to urban dictionary < 1359068914 990249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the effect was just delayed < 1359068918 256157 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1359068954 800986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if this was only the implementation of the first of those request, you may yet be kicked many times < 1359068958 884844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that was when i found sed's N command < 1359068959 631072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The motivation was: `run sed -i s/dal/dahl/g wisdom/* < 1359068992 946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many uses of dal are there in wisdom? < 1359069009 758174 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, the cackling is a common side effect of sed < 1359069044 332610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? siberia < 1359069045 516889 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siberia is the capital of Finland. It's where the Fields Medal was first synthesised. < 1359069047 412878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one. < 1359069048 918423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: all the welcome texts use it due to mentioning dalnet < 1359069082 641828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the siberia one and the welcomes < 1359069097 558217 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dahlnet < 1359069100 515279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wasn't aware that `welcome used wisdom behind the scenes < 1359069116 279016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom < 1359069117 481816 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/wisdom: No such file or directory < 1359069126 24088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1359069127 245588 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1359069129 994269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom bar < 1359069130 924071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdom: not found < 1359069139 472531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1339 < 1359069159 466509 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding is hard, huh < 1359069166 697323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1359069168 107780 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See `? for further details. < 1359069197 24268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/@ < 1359069198 238178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ $_ = join " ", @ARGV; if (s/^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*) +//) { print "$1: "; exec $2, $_; } < 1359069215 256761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ source code leaked! < 1359069255 969398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there sane people who write Perl code? < 1359069274 284864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1359069318 825406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether people will ever stop with the "ha ha perl = bad" thing. < 1359069319 811856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, not writing perl code doesn't necessarily make you sane < 1359069346 940826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably not < 1359069361 100369 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is ga[sz]pacho? < 1359069365 215547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ Sgeo ? mad < 1359069366 872434 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1359069382 694289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/welcome < 1359069384 142965 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1359069395 262149 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt quote for the channel, I feel < 1359069400 362747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hope < 1359069400 875751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? u < 1359069402 349570 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :u monad? < 1359069412 7133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders which is more opaque, Perl or APL < 1359069418 206354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a spanish soup, traditionally served cold for hot summer days < 1359069467 964341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, just as a guess, J might be worse than APL because it's restricted to normal (ascii?) characters, I guess < 1359069469 451217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ shachaf ? you < 1359069470 668805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you a haskell < 1359069487 722549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days < 1359069491 82924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359069503 527509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably spelled gaszpaczo < 1359069505 221755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Actually, just as a guess, J might be worse than APL because it's restricted to normal (ascii?) characters, I guess < 1359069508 207935 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :936) Actually, just as a guess, J might be worse than APL because it's restricted to normal (ascii?) characters, I guess < 1359069509 779648 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359069511 877488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Good point. < 1359069524 184147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (PLEASE FIX) < 1359069588 974127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn gazspacho is a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz < 1359069593 336947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359069604 27950 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps ch is almost equivalent in polish < 1359069612 50484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf is ga[sz]pacho? < 1359069615 320465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold tomato soup < 1359069616 985785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1359069623 86335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359069624 69749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359069630 232598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1359069630 985233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn gazspaczo is a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz < 1359069636 949651 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359069637 185900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's one of those weird cases where ch is a k sound < 1359069646 102612 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did not mean to refer to either gaspach or gazpach < 1359069697 487427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sed -i 's/is/iz/' wisdom/gazspaczo < 1359069698 529408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script- < 1359069701 367016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/is/iz/' wisdom/gazspaczo < 1359069704 620221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359069737 434814 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359069763 341717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1359069764 564261 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1359069812 916705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? soup < 1359069814 115856 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359069814 827832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost certain that's a reference to something, but I'm not sure what < 1359069822 403835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: homestuck < 1359069831 821493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What? < 1359069838 875897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn soup is like soup < 1359069840 78416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: its a joke. im making a humerous joke for kidding purposes. < 1359069842 52525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "What soup, doc?" >wisdom/soup < 1359069842 759228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359069845 704816 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359069846 174913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty for ruining it < 1359069850 556303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "What soup, Doc?" >wisdom/soup < 1359069854 138260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359069862 641227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: np "its wat im hear 4 rite" < 1359069883 796518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: SORRY OVERRULED YOU WITH FAMOUS REFERENCE < 1359069893 752989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_Call_the_Whole_Thing_Off < 1359069899 260278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefferedererf olsner's < 1359069900 875935 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck soup? < 1359069918 820518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup < 1359069920 140421 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :szoup? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359069923 500677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not _that_ famous < 1359070043 809351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck flash < 1359070168 999065 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to Mumble using a speech synthesizer for text chat, i realized “:P” is colon pee. < 1359070213 29746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. diarrhea? < 1359070247 649244 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hopefully that will be all for tonight's installment of #esoteric-bodily-functions) < 1359070294 954597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit." >wisdom/szoup < 1359070298 206052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359070309 93335 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see a channel name and not join it < 1359070315 602780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1359070318 14093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1359070321 880755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: has that translation been validated by all the eels in your hovercraft? < 1359070324 487060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1359070350 558080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for #include is: I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. < 1359070364 180593 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359070405 209790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, just by hungarian wikipedia. < 1359070416 77069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for #include set by unknown at Thu May 29 15:24:17 2008 < 1359070430 188936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woak < 1359070433 905875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Woah < 1359070438 95046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Registered : Mar 08 14:58:34 2002 (10 years, 46 weeks, 3 days, 08:35:08 ago) < 1359070440 746698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Last seen : now < 1359070476 876821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's whoah about this exactly < 1359070502 793129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"someone spent NEARLY ELEVEN YEARS DOING SOMETHING REGULARLY" < 1359070529 290808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they must be, like, in their THIRTIES by now" < 1359070599 787291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, must be correct then < 1359070630 950779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone just went and made up a bunch of pretend-hungarian and put it on the hungarian wikipedia < 1359070700 292041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's even a quote, the original has quote marks < 1359070726 893116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: doing what regularly < 1359070840 374599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An object is just something in a category." < 1359070851 78978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something" needs to be elaborated on, clearly. < 1359070858 715123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A something is just something in a something." < 1359070865 332254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects are kind of the very nature of somethingness < 1359070922 11143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo seems to object. < 1359070924 982236 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something, is soup." < 1359070938 730486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | grep s < 1359070940 176549 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 \ banach-tarski \ endomorphism \ esoteric \ finnish \ finns \ friendship \ gaspacho \ gaszpacho \ gazspacho \ gazspaczo \ haskell \ helsinki \ homestuck \ hom-set \ itidus19 \ itidus20 \ itidus21 \ kallisti \ lens \ lifthrasiir \ maths \ misspellings of croissant \ monads \ morphism \ natural transformation \ oceans \ olsner \ scotland \ sge < 1359070950 646322 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scotland < 1359070952 115832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scotland is a country in northern Britain. It is known for having no true inhabitants. The official religion is hatheism. Phantom_Hoover looks after the FREEDOM. < 1359070963 161525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1359070964 685423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359070979 552259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1359070980 998985 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359070990 190043 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :same answer every time, how boring < 1359071034 464012 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How have I failed to see my wisdom all this time? < 1359071036 383221 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeo < 1359071037 693218 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex. < 1359071050 243756 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're suitably whelmed. < 1359071060 500124 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359071068 251610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hom-set < 1359071069 697606 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hom-sets are just sets of morphisms between two objects. < 1359071101 334093 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359071133 31133 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359071137 924247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spam < 1359071139 181226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is a delicious meat product. See http://www.spamjamhawaii.com/ < 1359071151 271587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Spam Jam. Why is there a Spam Jam. < 1359071211 972500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's next, parties for other BRANDNAME PRODUCTYPE products? < 1359071231 182671 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is jam made from spam < 1359071238 616222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that implies that I think that Spam is a type of jma < 1359071241 204418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jam < 1359071264 888236 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think spam is jam? < 1359071268 577635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love szpam < 1359071286 127369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cyberiad < 1359071287 573334 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyberiad? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359071295 188854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in poland some people's names start with szcz < 1359071321 55891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisom isn't very liar paradoxy < 1359071321 540180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run >wisdom/cyberiad echo The Cyberiad is not just a book. < 1359071322 267664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisom isn't very liar paradoxy? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359071324 539099 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359071328 313505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1359071329 550065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry < 1359071331 721544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very liar paradoxy < 1359071367 44622 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :szyberiad < 1359071422 318314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run >wisdom/'structural subtyping' echo Not to be confused with substructural typing. < 1359071425 601351 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359071430 343161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run >wisdom/'substructural typing' echo Not to be confused with structural subtyping. < 1359071433 718814 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359071450 873916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids < 1359071452 319635 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359071457 226987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn monoids are so easy :D < 1359071460 704003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359071465 419230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/monoids < 1359071465 899336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1359071468 822425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1359071470 787735 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359071488 791079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easiness is so easy :D < 1359071514 880675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Monoids are the easy version of categories. < 1359071518 452796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359071541 295938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...now i'm annoyed again. < 1359071556 490208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I making wisdom/ worse? < 1359071567 683727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...good point. < 1359071585 476103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't meant to be a point, but OK. < 1359071604 49801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1359071605 308390 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. < 1359071620 981402 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359071651 297951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO we should just nuke all of wisdom/ except for the entries for places < 1359071661 818059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? places < 1359071662 910551 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :places? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359071664 150903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now < 1359071673 426651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original `? monad is a classic < 1359071680 209900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1359071681 590058 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads < 1359071689 973745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1359071691 222957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359071698 811457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1359071719 886723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359071728 438113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your dumb plural scheme is defeated < 1359071754 719998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What scheme? < 1359071792 78362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a scheme most devious < 1359071801 55531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? devious < 1359071802 348075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :devious? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359071816 76527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo dumb > wisdom/devious < 1359071819 275030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359071923 722049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? devious < 1359071924 929651 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb < 1359071937 378405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that what it means < 1359071974 83586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a bit more of this and i'll start agreeing with you. < 1359072049 814329 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the abuse of wisdom has been heading overboardwards, of late < 1359072059 310465 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359072081 747907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1359072084 269174 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry < 1359072240 937373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the temporariness of everything, including information, has become grating on me. < 1359072338 406498 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION despises the first week or two of math courses. < 1359072351 650211 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, "theory of numbers", you *really* don't need to go over induction again. < 1359072384 701232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? i < 1359072385 675704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359072391 440173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn i love monoids < 1359072393 886357 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359072398 636807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are saying we don't need to go over induction for the n+1'th time if we've done it for the n'th time? < 1359072417 34232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'st < 1359072419 466959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1359072459 814361 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1359072486 485289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you considered the temporariness of the letter ø < 1359072487 208758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359072535 364338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1359072542 485018 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporariness? < 1359072544 697778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ø < 1359072545 459435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ø? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359072552 925544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ø is not going anywhere < 1359072555 340367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359072576 928199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ø < 1359072577 691402 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ø? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359073579 793952 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359073581 590879 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359073804 617964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does SQLite support UTF-8 codes outside of the Unicode range? < 1359073968 907837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, can I even just store arbitrary bytes having the length function to not count 0x80-0xBF range bytes? < 1359074143 456450 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359075276 477013 :Rachiel!~canaima@186.91.109.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359075782 254489 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-212-152-46.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359075925 357188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the search function of Internet Quiz Engine to work now. < 1359076098 82376 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359076688 700732 :Rachiel1!~canaima@186.91.109.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359076727 305706 :Rachiel!~canaima@186.91.109.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359076749 847071 :Rachiel1!~canaima@186.91.109.120 PART :#esoteric < 1359077124 658630 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1359077203 476568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359077590 605899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It probably won't change even then. < 1359077754 999508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359079227 303694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359079231 963473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cross channel thing is confusing shachaf < 1359079242 128611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be less confusing with zephyr conventions < 1359079248 27655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where most people read all traffic in one window < 1359079257 416716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where you have subject tags which could be "else" or "#mosh" < 1359079277 841206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are zephyr conventions? And what do the subject tags do? < 1359079313 979212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, I don't talk in #mosh. < 1359079328 90305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I connect to relevant Zephyr networks? < 1359079567 612715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't, basically < 1359079582 291962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359079585 826013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you? < 1359079601 532741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get an athena account or maybe a club.cc.cmu.edu account or one of a few others < 1359079605 817982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because i have an athena account < 1359079609 26231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1359079648 57388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get it? < 1359079817 882763 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359079884 96661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helping with Mosh which is sort of a SIPB project < 1359080042 805748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that thing that I've done that kmc said was more obscure than Zephyr? < 1359080048 68655 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION already forgot the name < 1359080056 604216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gale? < 1359080059 255773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1359080062 825665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-HO-DiPT? < 1359080067 29162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gale < 1359080104 407121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1359080174 570221 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359080207 280926 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359080410 953027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359080413 415085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you use Gale? < 1359080450 890549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, the Zephyr protocol is about as old as IRC, despite 'feeling' much fancier and newer < 1359080468 185401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it goes to show that people in the 80's could design fancy systems too, but it's only the simple ones that have survived to today < 1359080469 152107 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359080487 496235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zephyr wants Kerberos and it wants no NAT and a daemon on every host and a bunch of other things < 1359080496 880959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even designed as a human chat protocol < 1359080540 767785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor was obby, but it's great for it! < 1359080580 204318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zephyr sounds exciting < 1359080938 539152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359080939 762217 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359080972 776969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I just remember finding it on Wikipedia and using some web interface to it that's now defunct < 1359080977 438487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably years ago < 1359080980 139133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yammer I think? < 1359081007 493639 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're going to run out of synonyms at some point soon D: < 1359081031 896551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yammer is an enterprise social network thing but maybe there's also a Gale thing of the same name < 1359081418 980338 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how you enjoying twitter so far? < 1359081429 736362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s pretty good < 1359081567 993897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have already found a lot of interesting links and it is a lot less unpleasant than reading Hacker News < 1359081575 507636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{social networks} < 1359081676 497456 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359081707 812659 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359081775 824250 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359081777 618709 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got into HN < 1359081777 858215 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's for the best :P < 1359081818 712561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has enough cool stuff that I feel like I'm missing out by not reading it < 1359081831 872376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also has a lot of noise and a pretty steady rate of aggrivating bullshit < 1359081835 701664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've glanced at it lately looking for interesting things but it just seems to have this horrible signal/noise ratio < 1359081842 157147 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like even *slashdot* is better < 1359081855 642486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly about how some mobile social local ad company you've never heard of just got $100 million dollars for doing nothing < 1359081859 629250 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even my tumblr dashboard is better < 1359081880 778358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and endless arguments over who is a real hacker or not < 1359081893 74095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and paul graham hero-worship < 1359081914 866245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i count on my friends and extended social network to send me interesting links at at least the rate i can read them < 1359081936 748371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and you count on me to provide the noise you're missing out on < 1359081950 252838 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "real hacker" actually a thing < 1359081962 266082 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer hacker < 1359081962 507732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin did you see the crypto challenges mentioned on twitter: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/292005256416612353 < 1359081965 511845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1359081969 134164 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <- real hacker < 1359081982 221125 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man even xkcd's made fun of that though < 1359081986 248746 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nope, but I assume that's some sort of job thing? < 1359081992 462896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1359082005 610851 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :given it's matasano :) < 1359082010 688536 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's also like, all the navelgazing stuff < 1359082012 685958 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359082014 414072 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be odd to do a "in your free time" project @matasano < 1359082022 563756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 1000 blog posts about "how to be productive" or "how I built an X in Y hours" < 1359082032 821765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I assume that if I solve them all, I will be able to get an interview there if I want < 1359082033 788580 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how to be productive" posts are sad < 1359082036 247310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not why i'm doing it < 1359082042 838755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Stripe CTFs are also a job thing in a sense < 1359082048 674022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but were plenty of fun < 1359082050 188881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're doing it < 1359082053 398940 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359082055 484475 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's just because i'm violently unproductive. < 1359082056 1899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359082061 679909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I gain the ability to tell matasano and monsanto apart < 1359082065 817357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please advise < 1359082069 437427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: drink a bottle of Round-Up < 1359082134 358587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I always find them kinda funny because it's like < 1359082140 878058 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :daeken used to work at matasano iirc < 1359082142 318371 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is *blogging* (not being productive) about being productive < 1359082144 22873 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone knows him < 1359082160 977808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not intrinsically absurd < 1359082168 480184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah people wank a lot about productivity instead of being productive < 1359082182 649567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also wank a lot about how programmers are magical special snowflakes and therefore can't be held to the same standards as other human beings < 1359082195 32065 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true! < 1359082197 920288 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: right < 1359082208 28930 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need my hand held < 1359082208 268345 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also just. the whole bubble mentality of how like, everyone inside silicon valley is so blissfully unaware a world exists outside < 1359082239 60051 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably hurts them a lot too, since it means the people making startups have no idea what their users are like at all, and guess based on Glee reruns < 1359082257 695064 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a sad and disturbing thought. < 1359082271 551368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that just by being a programmer you are an expert in all areas < 1359082286 630220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're automatically an expert on how painters work and can compare yourself favorably to them < 1359082295 114859 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wank about singularity here < 1359082307 473331 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should metawank < 1359082311 861086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1359082337 823146 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complain about complaining about HN complaints about mainstream culture's complaints about HN? < 1359082340 259033 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1359082344 637710 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively meta wank! < 1359082345 843639 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can we tie the knot somehow? < 1359082354 357254 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, have them complain about us doing that < 1359082362 230916 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we should complain about how it's circular < 1359082373 883369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and of course, as unspokenly obvious as it is, HN's endless sexism) < 1359082375 819473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't live in SF therefore my opinion is so insignificant it's not worth complaining about < 1359082376 299746 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my type theory isn't capable of expressing this < 1359082383 438286 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then plot to find new ways to make our complaining more elaborate < 1359082426 282262 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other cool startup news < 1359082434 499191 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried the new portal 2 maps? < 1359082460 8787 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was valve a startup at some point? < 1359082480 19910 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably :P but I mean another startup made a custom campaign for portal 2 < 1359082485 815679 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably as part of recruitment efforts < 1359082495 247559 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know that id started out selling fucking shareware, though. out of it < 1359082504 591396 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that < 1359082527 608289 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the mario clone was funnier though) < 1359082554 40488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't doom shareware < 1359082579 437747 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1359082732 286910 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also tried making a mario port to PCs, it's great. < 1359082739 299538 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359082756 309598 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it super violent? < 1359082759 569015 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does Wario have a brother? < 1359082774 253942 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359082788 765863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone here play http://stabyourself.net/mari0/ < 1359082802 611652 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not I < 1359082802 830387 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes D < 1359082804 668059 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:D < 1359082816 147683 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got bored fast, honestly, the old levels are way too easy < 1359082820 793512 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUJ9xWw8_lQ < 1359083029 585252 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359083715 442239 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Does Waluigi count? < 1359083725 407159 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1359083751 435558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OkCupid/HelloQuizzy and Internet Quiz Engine have *many* similarities (even that one is written in C++ and one in C). The quiz is the following: Which one do you think was based on the other one? < 1359083816 870594 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those web apps? < 1359083834 492257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: One is. < 1359083846 401378 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anybody write something like that in C/++ < 1359083865 39610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess. < 1359083873 986578 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've listened to people talking about php < 1359083880 296932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i doubt iqe is based on anything else :P < 1359083912 356783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Correct, but... that doesn't actually answer the question... < 1359083930 991964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Would you use different programming languages? < 1359083958 688402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is surely faster and more efficient than PHP. < 1359083961 597223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you're asking whether okc or hq came first? < 1359083972 159674 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldnt guess, because i've never seen hq < 1359083978 702702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No. I am asking: "Which one do you think was based on the other one?" < 1359084005 63604 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and if you're good at hand-optimizing, pure ASM is even more fast < 1359084006 369947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i doubt anything is based on iqe either < 1359084029 17072 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359084038 496036 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is "asm" capitalized? is it an initialism i am unaware of < 1359084054 146885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that "OkCupid/HelloQuizzy" are both the same online quiz software.) < 1359084072 571771 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think iqe was based on the other one. < 1359084083 434210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, wrong. < 1359084099 188124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a trick question! Neither was based on the other one! < 1359084100 442359 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1359084106 593649 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well played, sir. < 1359084136 557325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i didnt know okc and hq were the same < 1359084173 394310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, the quiz engine, the quiz database, all that is the same at least; even though the webpages are different, they both contain the same quizzes and everything. < 1359084174 513824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can see that i said that iqe was neither based on them nor were they based on iqe, so that means i got it right!!!! < 1359084177 891886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why.) < 1359084188 289803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, it means you did not get it wrong. < 1359084237 97628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there were no other possibilities once you ruled out the possibility that okc was based on hq or vice versa, so by process of elimination, i arrived at the right answer < 1359084274 21054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case I must have misunderstood you, or vice versa. < 1359084308 848064 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's my prize? < 1359084336 730441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no prize. < 1359084381 934515 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359084386 729304 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the quiz for then? < 1359084390 631188 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a quiz without a prize! < 1359084409 619177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many quiz don't have a prize, it doesn't necessarily need one. < 1359084435 561466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know a lot about making MD5 collisions? < 1359084445 258250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little < 1359084451 883857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quizzes on OkCupid/HelloQuizzy, and the quizzes on Internet Quiz Engine, have no prize, and most others don't have prize either but I think some may have. < 1359084466 769988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :third prize is you're fired < 1359084470 456086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common will be MD5 collisions if you don't try to make it deliberately? < 1359084475 724708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: very rare < 1359084528 623203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: GHC represents TypeRep keys as md5 hashes of the type name, roughly. < 1359084530 214895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do make it deliberately, what is the chance to fit the format and be still a sensible file in general than the other ones? < 1359084546 727124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you turn this into a SafeHaskell unsafeCoerce with DeriveTypeable? < 1359084564 377976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a pretty limited alphabet. < 1359084702 669694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1359084711 745033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long are they? < 1359084726 415576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a silly question < 1359084729 610428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long can type names be? < 1359084731 845879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty long i guess < 1359084825 883786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: very good, for any A you can find X,Y such that md5(AX) = md5(AY) < 1359084866 176462 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's concatenation? < 1359084881 275530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also means that md5(AXB) = md5(AYB) for any B, because MD5 uses the Merkle–Damgård construction < 1359084884 290786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1359084898 220267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find these pretty quickly... i was finding dozens of X,Y pairs per hour on my workstation < 1359084908 138170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't *quite* mean that for any B, does it? < 1359084928 828799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, all of these letters are multiples of an MD5 input block size < 1359084943 912198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Maybe it works out then. < 1359084958 168985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it hashes it unwords [pkg, module, name] encoded in UCS-4, it looks like. < 1359085035 998129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if your strings are programs, it's usually easy to construct things such that AXB does one arbitrary thing and AYB does a different arbitrary thing, even though you don't have much control over X,Y < 1359085049 711879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just make that entire block one operand of a conditional or something < 1359085078 750321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can (for example) construct two Postscript documents which display completely differently, however you like, and have the same MD5 hash < 1359085460 275453 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359085470 214739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does every Linux syscall have at least one argument? < 1359085511 873375 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getuid doesn't. < 1359085519 508770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I'm addicted to Naruto < 1359085547 854625 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have you considered watching good anime instead? < 1359085557 951415 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you're well below Dragonball here. < 1359085562 946101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah yes < 1359085564 372290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not getpid() < 1359085564 591123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank < 1359085570 677986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, pikhq said it first. < 1359085581 124056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used getpid to benchmark syscalls the other day. < 1359085584 258867 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359085593 427737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ how is Naruto bad? < 1359085593 664510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc caches it, of course. < 1359085604 94833 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was getuid() instead, but eh. Existence proofs don't care about which example you use. :) < 1359085647 827017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not PMMM. I think. But that doesn't mean it's bad < 1359085662 53919 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In short, it's bland shōnen. < 1359085681 372027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what shōnen is. < 1359085706 264729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not used to it, what's wrong with it being my canonical example? < 1359085740 955605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Seinfeld unfunny? < 1359085758 414632 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are saying something that's roughly equivalent to saying "I'm addicted to Two and a Half Men". < 1359085781 518622 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that more of a medical condition than a taste thing < 1359085791 447642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched a lot of that show but i'm not proud of it :( < 1359085828 189961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seinfeld on the other hand is brilliant and is much better than most of its imitators < 1359085843 765507 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up on tv < 1359085846 859724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's just md5sum (encodeUCS4 (unwords [package, module, name])) < 1359085850 419712 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shonen is pretty much anything intended primarily for a ~8-18 year old male audience, though it is often designed with much wider appeal < 1359085851 365918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shockingly misanthropic for a network show < 1359085858 640643 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seinfeld's original "airline food" routine is actually funny, it's awesome < 1359085867 185479 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like One Piece is technically shonen but it's popular among allthedemographics < 1359085878 312989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this ends up being making two type names which hash to the same thing, with a common prefix, under UCS-4 encoding. < 1359085906 680168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I definitely see how it appeals to 8-18 year old men, although it's my gf who's getting me into it < 1359085934 535218 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most stereotypical shonen is a coming-of-age story about a boy who wants to be the very best, like no one ever was < 1359085955 246697 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wants to catch them all? :D < 1359085970 129548 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to catch them is my reeaaal quest, to traiiin them iiiiis my cauuuuuuuse~ < 1359085977 559162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never watched Pokemon < 1359085977 796108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ POOOOO - KÉÉÉÉÉ - MONNNNN ♫ stuck in my head for the next 24h < 1359085983 591374 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1359085984 538889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Fiora < 1359085987 615778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and this is where pikhq slaps me < 1359085987 835177 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Incidently, what anime *have* you seen? < 1359085988 800227 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS A GOOD SONG OKAY < 1359086004 750392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about that < 1359086007 665390 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXZ2bTigdGY watch more mature chinese cartoons < 1359086007 911894 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Naruto, Bleach, and so on would be like that as well < 1359086009 587059 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hey, don't worry. The Pokemon anime was actually very bad. < 1359086012 61386 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: it is < 1359086031 158480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfX0tIaExmM yay I'm 10 years old again < 1359086064 238264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Death Note, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Elfen Lied, Neon Genesis Evagelion (sp?), I forget but I think I've seen more than that < 1359086065 477589 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as ducktales woohoo but still pretty hot yes < 1359086087 639442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pokémon theme is very similar to eye of the tiger and not as good < 1359086093 733328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, it has more verses? < 1359086102 178439 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not seen Evangelion, but Death Note and Mahou Shojo Madoka Magica were very good, and Elfen Lied was pretty alright. < 1359086104 995729 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"holy shit this has chords... I thought they went out of style 10 years ago" < 1359086105 450089 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They usually cut down these things for TV OPs and stuff < 1359086128 54288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I knew someone who despised Death Note < 1359086130 279062 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: similar to eye of the tiger? not convinced < 1359086132 486210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lack of character development. < 1359086140 293810 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, Death Note is pretty universally beloved. < 1359086156 413436 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst that could be said of it is it could be better. < 1359086164 809764 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most negative I've seen about Death Note is that the final arc was a bit terrible because the publishers wanted him to drag out the series < 1359086172 219467 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gosh even so it was still good < 1359086173 994070 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also pretend the final arc didn't happen. :P < 1359086184 85017 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1359086186 928326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this idea < 1359086202 482598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, when I said on Facebook that I was watching Death Note, this person tried to spoil me (didn't work since I already read spoilers) < 1359086226 795157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And said "There, saved you hours" < 1359086245 908680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to Naruto < 1359086246 381290 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: eye of the tiger doesn't have any vocal harmonization < 1359086255 791035 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to arbitrarily recommend Darker than Black: Kuro no Keiyakusha, as well as Baccano!. And also Fullmetal Alchemist, because seriously, you have to. It's a law or something. :P < 1359086278 136507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that reminds me, I've seen Durarara < 1359086286 983668 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FMA isn't the best thing ever or anything, but it's kinda mandatory viewing. < 1359086293 318209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favorite series are probably um... Ghost in the Shell SAC, Madoka Magica, and Shugo Chara < 1359086297 813487 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out it's the anime police < 1359086307 488256 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not seen Shugo Chara. < 1359086309 146236 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of a jumble of very different things < 1359086316 89387 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are anime police < 1359086319 249024 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hands up????? have you seen everything on the list < 1359086320 669326 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think right now my absolute favorite still has to be Mushishi. < 1359086321 861634 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they pigs? < 1359086326 881418 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard sci-fi, dark magical girls, and pure shoujo < 1359086334 860781 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just dude singing + cool rhythm guitar + boring bass + drums + piano + guitar riff + tambourines < 1359086341 665728 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eye of the tiger) < 1359086351 709329 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokémon theme is definitely more complex < 1359086360 99662 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to break out the molotovs to fight the anime-prison-industrial system < 1359086394 180989 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll culturally enrich you till you burst < 1359086407 141520 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has many more layers and instrumentation changes < 1359086413 286829 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokémon theme has three vocal parts; the lead, a tenor accompaniement in falsetto, and a chorus on the refrain < 1359086415 181762 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1359086427 275028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the pokémon theme is very similar to eye of the tiger and not as good < 1359086430 918113 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :937) the pokémon theme is very similar to eye of the tiger and not as good < 1359086450 181764 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but the chorus is actually multiple parts < 1359086468 426159 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't believe it is < 1359086480 597740 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell on the fly but this has like major chords and stuff < 1359086486 675640 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to be at least 3 parts < 1359086491 214897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, Homestuck is partly coming-of-age stories, I guess < 1359086503 62801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you seen the ron paul version of the pokemon theme (made by the singer of the original) < 1359086508 303931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's um < 1359086512 327106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: exactly what it sounds like < 1359086512 564605 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing. < 1359086517 615233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then again, (forall g in genras: Homestuck is partly g) < 1359086524 381082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lyrics don't even make any sense in the context of ron paul < 1359086530 449466 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: lafsjdlfskjadlf now I'm listening to it again < 1359086530 988103 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, homestuck's pretty shonen. < 1359086543 812476 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna be, the very best, like no-one ever taxed < 1359086546 417932 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that sucks < 1359086550 733129 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also, nice thing with most anime that's not long-running shonen? It's short. < 1359086555 190337 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most anime is a single season. < 1359086557 757195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what < 1359086564 588013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o < 1359086578 680070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i swear to god this is a version of the pokemon theme with the lyrics slightly changed to relate to ron paul instead of pokemon mostly < 1359086584 154831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the same person who sang the original < 1359086585 655636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The Pokemon theme is a perfect song for the Ron Paul Revolution, as he racks up the delegates' < 1359086589 444303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :witness oblivion < 1359086595 842876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1359086596 78388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Homestuck isn't short either < 1359086600 419574 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a lot of stuff that's longer-running has to get renewed each season, and gets a new arc or something < 1359086606 638136 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the guitar is at least 2 parts in pokémon too < 1359086606 879693 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna train them delegates < 1359086618 329401 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, one panned center, one panned to the right < 1359086621 222405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how literally the only thing they changed about the chorus was s/pokemon/ron paul/ < 1359086624 72459 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: nah, the chorus only sings "pokemon", "gotta catch em all", and "ooooooo" < 1359086625 747499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot how amazing this is < 1359086629 372901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, I do admit I prefer over-arching... arcs < 1359086635 640344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, I think I'd prefer them < 1359086641 505836 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should finish DS9 at some point < 1359086651 525006 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: on at least 3 different notes < 1359086660 322339 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's at least 3 different singers < 1359086664 973634 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's nice that the singer can still sing in the same register and all < 1359086665 448279 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hmm... the oooos maybe < 1359086675 38079 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow 3000 people in houston < 1359086695 760084 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chorus also sings "in a world we must defend" < 1359086703 469685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a good example would be Sailor Moon, Sailor Moon R, Sailor Moon S, Sailor Moon Super S, Sailor Stars... < 1359086720 181998 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least 3 layers of keyboards < 1359086721 420733 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yeah, good catch < 1359086735 975091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas naruto is like. neverending. ever < 1359086746 179900 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chorus is at least three singers, but it's not clear enough to make out chords < 1359086753 653300 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(piano, strings, brassy synth pads?!?, arpeggio plucks) < 1359086755 511244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ron paul :psyduck: < 1359086766 198144 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the first time i've seen music people in this channel for the pokemon theme. < 1359086766 435004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, my gf says things like she thinks it might be ending soon < 1359086776 704476 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the first 'season' ended after < 1359086776 942463 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :220 < 1359086787 623175 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true, they do end! bleach ended after 366 < 1359086800 16413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She may be partly referring to the manga, I think she consumes both < 1359086800 252848 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's because you've not been around at other times music came up. < 1359086802 57453 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: because someone said it was like a worse version of eye of the tiger :3 < 1359086807 879812 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes :( < 1359086814 787832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using "consume" as a general word for reading and watching) < 1359086817 156763 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor composes. < 1359086836 919078 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't talk about theatre enough here < 1359086839 84034 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done cartoon themes are usually very, very good songs < 1359086840 101962 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should talk about theatre more < 1359086844 200045 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they are < 1359086846 585637 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. all i do is listen to techno and dream < 1359086847 770064 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you take it appart it shows < 1359086856 607484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, how about the Stargate Infinity theme? < 1359086857 317106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359086858 502035 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look simple but they aren't < 1359086889 263090 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo : listening < 1359086890 898498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: My statement should not be construed as endorsing the Stargate Infinity theme as "good") < 1359086894 390802 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIVgSuuUTwQ I still like how ghost in the shell's theme was in russian < 1359086905 707215 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite songs to sing are definitely Broadway songs though < 1359086906 909220 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the singer's russian. < 1359086919 600122 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still! < 1359086936 892114 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo : the rip I have on youtube isn't too good < 1359086943 654527 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still love that radiohead did an anime theme song once < 1359086950 161587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PkAQcuZOw oh now Lain's is stuck in my head < 1359086959 249830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch Ghost In The Shell. I think? < 1359086959 749819 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: it's not too bad but it's no ear worm < 1359086973 977156 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, Ghost in the Shell: SAC is good. < 1359086979 537559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: SAC is amazing < 1359086980 485171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's pretty cool < 1359086981 194400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :": SAC"? < 1359086983 478185 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, I need to finish 2nd Gig. < 1359086985 788383 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stand Alone Complex, the TV series < 1359086995 446730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a sequel film) < 1359087013 964378 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnkD0vAMSJ0 boa's a pretty cool band. < 1359087014 207095 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just... it's really a wonderful series < 1359087026 872037 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why this song is on a Lain EP, but whatever. < 1359087031 549689 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I spent the winter break on an anime binge with my girlfriend, that's one that didn't quite finish.) < 1359087060 215816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could fangirl endlessly about SAC but I don't want to be rambly < 1359087070 843908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to watching Naruto < 1359087079 841438 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just say it's cyberpunk done well and leave it at that. < 1359087092 581544 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo make a `list but instead of for some lame webcomic it's when sgeo watches naruto < 1359087097 361035 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the world really wants to know < 1359087109 390680 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and music discussion is already over < 1359087117 784474 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1359087139 670123 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes Sakanaction < 1359087283 521229 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best thing about western music... the harmony and layering < 1359087302 692202 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was pretty disappointed when i found out how western polyphony apparently is < 1359087322 678118 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to find some carnatic dubstep or w/e < 1359087359 871240 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not totally exclusive to europe, but that's definitely where it's the most developed yeah < 1359087381 986514 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably to compensate for being so weak rhythm wise :D < 1359087387 148763 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, yeah. < 1359087409 889323 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah africans have some polyphony too I think < 1359087431 27449 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember hearing that the european orchestral tradition is basically taken from the andalus, and i've found a bit of andalusian music i liked < 1359087436 699767 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the asian Sho/Sheng is usually played in chords I think < 1359087516 337690 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried much traditional chinese music, honestly, and only a bit of japanese because my guitarist friend is such a japanophile < 1359087567 450321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff, solsty < 1359087598 447232 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think georgian music also has polyphony < 1359087608 812613 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably because it's close enough to europe < 1359087617 191903 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we went to a place in portland once that had a shamisen player, that was pretty boss < 1359087626 76526 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing has like forty strings, man. < 1359087635 708897 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but, monophonic) < 1359087659 295198 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently "shamisen" means "three strings", wow i'm bad at this. < 1359087675 508901 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one my chinese teacher brought a zhang... not all that hard to play actually < 1359087701 882067 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can either play outside of the pentatonic scale, or play polyphonically < 1359087708 236135 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not both at the same time < 1359087713 362038 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359087713 871035 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bizarre. < 1359087716 925130 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: To be fair, that's hard to know. < 1359087732 850714 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shamisen" is a very very strange reading. < 1359087735 903060 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, i could have paid more attention to the performer... < 1359087748 571042 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was an event in a museum, they were passing out recordings and info on it. < 1359087752 17905 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :三味線 would normally be read something like "sanmisen". < 1359087786 352045 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the double bass is the best instrument < 1359087801 334289 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it isn't, but it's pretty sweet all the same) < 1359087811 607722 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose anyone knows of a Japanese musical instrument with more than three strings, which is played in a sitting position on the ground (not like a guitar) < 1359087824 164923 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: you mean a koto? < 1359087849 972512 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was it! < 1359087862 728685 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh. That was cool, even if I have the attention span of a fly. < 1359087864 625514 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ALjvjmjHg < 1359087877 477299 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah actually the zheng was a lot like that < 1359087904 143026 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was part of an exhibition of woodcuts, they had the whole "traditional" theme going. < 1359087934 831497 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i don't think they went as far as having the performer wear a kimono. < 1359087957 281191 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah european music had instruments like that... they're mostly dead, killed by the piano < 1359087968 568331 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp too obvious? < 1359087991 592541 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp is different enough I think < 1359088009 699876 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? lots of strings, right? < 1359088023 940496 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the sound is very different < 1359088053 996152 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's on air instead of a board, right < 1359088063 235863 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the strings are plucked < 1359088072 785785 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not tripled < 1359088125 886734 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tripled? < 1359088129 810375 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :glissandos are also a lot easier on harps < 1359088142 658680 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, on a piano, each note has 3 strings < 1359088152 629401 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: In a piano, strings are set two or three to a note < 1359088223 736646 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant harps as a thing that is like a koto and mostly dead because of pianos. < 1359088265 523353 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that mari0 looks cool < 1359088298 968271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe copumpkin is an expert in MD5 collisions. < 1359088343 92142 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope ) < 1359088352 743556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. Did copumpkin become Russian? < 1359088370 867358 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, someone just poked my eyes out ( < 1359088375 531837 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: but not as dead as harpsichords < 1359088383 400897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Oh no! :·( < 1359088387 866358 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP harpsichords :( < 1359088389 652477 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :harps are not dead < 1359088398 124521 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were keyed like pianos though < 1359088398 609100 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :harps are tonally quite different from the piano < 1359088402 261503 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1359088409 295580 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :harps or harpsichords? < 1359088411 917464 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and less dead than psalterions and clavicords < 1359088413 605612 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harpsichords. < 1359088417 269134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sure, but no one plays harpsy chords anymore. < 1359088420 645594 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, they were < 1359088422 340381 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1359088424 651856 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, i know shit about music < 1359088427 106135 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :celestes aren't quite dead < 1359088436 404326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I know less than you, so ha! < 1359088446 854063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I know that "octave" means "bit". < 1359088450 909938 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a guy in another channel who did historical harpsichord playing for a while, pretty cool to listen to him < 1359088457 184882 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like electric bass vs acoustic bass vs tuba fighting for the bass < 1359088485 92874 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs potentially cello and bassoon too if you want to be inclusive < 1359088492 302967 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and electric bass is winning < 1359088499 16940 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tuba is going out of style < 1359088510 867837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love harpsichords < 1359088512 586318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1359088625 172469 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: acoustic bass guitar or upright bass? < 1359088648 293124 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of upright < 1359088684 891601 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric bass really isn't comparable, since in modern music there is a huge distinction between acoustic and electric instruments < 1359088707 240701 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tuba is going out of style because of its lack of versatility---precisely what killed many other keyboard instruments < 1359088740 507441 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: lack of versatility? < 1359088804 933259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :russians use parentheses? < 1359088807 126065 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slow < 1359088817 897630 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slow compared to the electric bass < 1359088826 824834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but electric instruments don't count < 1359088833 446271 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's AFAIK still faster than the trombone < 1359088878 40468 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for rapid notes. You're moving a shitton of air through a tuba < 1359088890 550112 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it does have valves < 1359088893 721590 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a slide < 1359088895 721542 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so it can pitch quicker < 1359088915 736579 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a tuba playing at maximum volume is quite a thing < 1359088922 140207 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that* is something it is good at < 1359088943 956594 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-NVMsj6lXA < 1359088984 781748 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass trombone is louder actually < 1359089004 735317 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: still not as loud as electric bass tho < 1359089006 912618 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359089011 388808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: sure, if you crank the volume < 1359089019 434815 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cuts more tho < 1359089020 441679 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you hook a tuba up to a sound system you can make it as loud as you want too < 1359089026 582406 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*want to < 1359089044 733938 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i interject to request electric tuba music < 1359089050 181779 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've liked the electric trumpet i've heard < 1359089122 362395 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it an actual instrument or just synthesized? < 1359089132 675966 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual, you just put pickups in the horn < 1359089132 894932 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yeah flight of the bumblebees is sweet < 1359089136 817262 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359089155 3372 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCRI1Kf6Bk < 1359089260 726551 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :another case is oboe and bassoon being replaced by saxophonese in pop < 1359089320 881048 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: eww < 1359089333 672367 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:/ < 1359089413 287639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fan < 1359089429 868504 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yeah, but pop is not all of modern music < 1359089460 19345 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, the most depressing thing in modern music is people who think mixing drum kits and orchestras is a good idea) < 1359089692 494971 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1359089713 565722 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean oboe and basson being replaced in "everything except classical" < 1359089743 461176 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(classical in the broad meaning, yes I know it's not the same thing as baroque or romantic technically) < 1359089818 162036 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I'm not opposed to mixing drums and orchestras < 1359089855 761277 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kinda turns the orchestra into a large jazz band but there's tons of good 70s movie music done on that kind of ensemble < 1359089876 933537 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my issue is more that drummers don't learn to play quiet < 1359089934 538745 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah :3 < 1359089957 53515 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because they play too much with electric guitarists < 1359089988 646095 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have big heads and their instrument has super large spectrum that buries everybody else < 1359089997 315577 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359090018 643790 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pedaled instruments in drum kits also can't play quietly < 1359090024 937320 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359090058 590097 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the kick drum < 1359090065 406160 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359090096 852894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the hi-hat, but that's less obnoxious < 1359090100 6200 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, jazz drummers can do it < 1359090121 328792 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hihat is replaceable by a tambourine or triangle < 1359090136 461300 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a snare played with brushes < 1359090165 762261 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but that's all too complicated for a drummer :P < 1359090176 393098 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike percussionists, who are the most hilarious group in any orchestra) < 1359090183 483119 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's playing with an orchestra < 1359090204 690193 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get joe metal drummer for playing with a zillion violins, you get a good one :D < 1359090247 511016 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, that is not my experience < 1359090292 801467 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :drum kits (and the bad drummers that accomapny them) seem to follow around hollywood conductors < 1359090303 279391 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*follow hollywood conductors around < 1359090308 937459 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also fuck those guys, they're too full of themselves) < 1359090313 271219 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably add more padding to the kick < 1359090324 74286 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just give him less juice in the mix :o < 1359090335 215913 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what "mix" < 1359090337 759847 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an *orchestra* < 1359090368 829673 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no close mics on the drum? :o < 1359090379 209703 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1359090406 534808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are loud enough without a sound system, thank you < 1359090423 606463 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take metal drummers, yeah < 1359090482 831151 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the drown out the other players in the orchestra so they can't hear what they're doing < 1359090520 697473 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take away their sticks < 1359090524 602516 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give them brushes < 1359090558 912640 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some brilliant hollywood conductors (and I've seen this multiple times *this year*) get the idea of shoving *all* the strings off to one side, *all* the woodwinds to the other, stuff the brass in the back mostly by the woodwinds because there's more room, and then stick the drums *in the middle* with sound barriers in between so that the strings can hear each other, as can the woodwinds < 1359090567 945419 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem: if you're sat to the side, GOOD LUCK HEARING THE VIOLINS < 1359090574 954782 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rages < 1359090620 771042 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1359090662 575781 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are two layers of sound barrier and a drum kit in between me and the strings < 1359090685 652378 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no monitors < 1359090731 937544 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I'd rather just stick with the percussionists < 1359090738 82274 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're better at producing varied sounds, and funnier < 1359090796 972675 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1359090815 215725 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they can't quite get the energy of the kick + snare duo < 1359090873 428666 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can accent with brass for that < 1359090905 41355 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :brass is awesome but there's just something unique to the kick+snare < 1359090955 239527 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho they're more complementary actually < 1359090976 635242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, I suppose < 1359091001 827015 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no reason you can't give the percussionists a bass drum < 1359091014 677993 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want to tie two up to get that effect < 1359091055 473665 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't orchestral bass drum something totally different? < 1359091063 736854 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with like super long decay < 1359091144 736488 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're different, but the score could easily specify "a small bass drum" or something < 1359091154 82594 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do all sorts of shit with percussion < 1359091178 139851 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and as for why percussionists are funny: they have to ensure they get their instruments to the right people at the right time < 1359091183 600943 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you had one of the percussionists play the drums instead of the rock drummer? :D < 1359091219 386595 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a percussionist reaching over a table to get the triangle another one was frantically passing him like a bar before he came in < 1359091227 538577 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only barely made it < 1359091253 469952 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1359091259 223564 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was funny < 1359091278 802624 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh drums work better with synths < 1359091383 919187 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's very hard to make something like beethoven work on the NES's sound chip < 1359091391 974471 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your tones are so static < 1359091413 600527 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're almost forced to put in deep bass and smashing drums < 1359091497 48924 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1359091508 182196 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but beethoven also requires incredible dynamic range < 1359091523 453780 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most speaker sets can't come even close < 1359091580 623193 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :90db is a shit-ton of dynamic range to expect from a speaker set. :) < 1359091583 74475 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the one time I did a 5th symphony beethoven cover, I had to use all the "cheat" extra chips just to get more channels and cheating FM synth chip that was used in one japanese NES game < 1359091605 371363 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and double up pretty much every note with another detuned channel < 1359091611 767399 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it was just too shrill < 1359091649 585608 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm not sure dynamic range is the problem actually < 1359091662 225757 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it is < 1359091689 626076 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cellos/bass should properly be barely audible when they introduce the ode to joy < 1359091698 32770 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhmm < 1359091722 372478 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the same movement as a enourmous choir singing at full volume. < 1359091742 584409 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enormous < 1359091781 565430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had the good fortune to attend a performance of the 9th? it's incredible < 1359091868 539732 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1359091891 333705 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when dealing with synths, you have to deal with the "static" aspect of the tone < 1359091898 964962 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an even bigger problem imho < 1359091929 586210 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1359091934 453352 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use small numbers of channels :P < 1359091958 809603 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you sequence repeated notes on strings on a synth, it sounds super stupid < 1359091963 690790 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because each note is the same < 1359091997 582927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must mean VRC7 sound for FM synth used in Famicom, it was only one game < 1359092003 559336 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: yes < 1359092022 519275 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't good synths deal with that better < 1359092038 388420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a .NES ROM image which uses the VRC7 mapper, but it is only for testing the sounds so that I can figure out the sound < 1359092052 174056 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: normally the dude that sequences it will vary the volume and timing of the notes < 1359092071 727026 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if he's using a large VST orchestra sound bank it might have round robin samples too < 1359092133 447000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, episode 5 of Naruto had some.... rather predictable moments < 1359092142 503506 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let no one call any of the characters Genre Savvy < 1359092287 496838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made some music using CsoundMML now too, so it isn't only NSF. < 1359092312 836975 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh vrc7 isn't that interesting < 1359092318 557604 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cut down opl2 < 1359092334 280935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a variant of OPLL actually. < 1359092352 153255 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a variant of opll which is a cut down opl2 :D < 1359092378 714137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used VRC6, VRC7, Namco-163, and MMC5, even multiples ones together, I have not used the others < 1359092403 33953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make the custom instrument to make a sine wave in VRC7 though if you want an extra sine wave. < 1359092412 868436 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :opl3 is the sound chip that has the most "potential undiscovered sonic territory" imho < 1359092439 259827 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's so little music that uses some of the features they put it < 1359092455 86461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the little sound chip that could < 1359092474 617488 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: vrc7 can do more interesting things than sine < 1359092497 485243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I know, it can do other things, just that a sine wave is the simplest possibility, so it is one thing < 1359092509 983176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there the program that will play OPL3 musics? Do you know if XPMCK is compatible with it? < 1359092540 517096 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an inaccurate winamp plugin I think < 1359092547 822968 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for opl2 < 1359092562 722599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosbox's emulation is supposed to be pretty good < 1359092577 462943 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it has improved < 1359092585 555551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can dosbox play OPL3 or only OPL2? < 1359092590 79976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPL3 i believe < 1359092590 566450 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :opl3 < 1359092616 81865 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the 2op patches are pretty close < 1359092616 300390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I suppose it can be made a DOS program which plays it, would work! < 1359092622 202989 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not spot on but not very far < 1359092657 580744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hPVwjZ6bNM this person thinks the emulation is not so good < 1359092660 475086 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: there's a messed up win9x driver that lets you override the MIDI patches I think < 1359092662 650784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have requested a feature for a NSF player to read VRC7 instruments from a NSFe chunk, but they didn't want that. < 1359092696 221785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I could just use DOS it is no problem. I don't want to override the MIDI patches anyways < 1359092744 762827 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use adlib tracker 2 which lets you use pretty much all the features < 1359092796 205051 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :including manipulating the synth registers at like 800hz :D < 1359092798 484662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wondered if XPMCK supports it, but I don't think so. < 1359092844 370660 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of tools tend to support japanese stuff < 1359092852 773785 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since occidentals use trackers < 1359092922 482748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a Csound file to emulate OPL3? < 1359092944 489562 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1359092951 551779 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the real thing so no need to < 1359092968 572223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are a few different programs to compose music for Csound, or you can just enter the events directly. I myself use CsoundMML (which I wrote), although I have written only one music with it so far) < 1359093007 166082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have OPL3 hardware in my computer though, so I have to use emulator. But if DOSBox can emulate it then I could use it with DOS. < 1359093175 956786 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh all that stuff tends to have a not-so-interesting effort-to-result ratio < 1359093185 795172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most popular program to compose music with Csound is called Blue. I have tried it once but find it extremely complicated to use, so I made CsoundMML to work it much better. < 1359093228 778963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so with Csound you can make it to do different things with the same score file by using different orchestra files. < 1359093309 472600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I have made a plugin in Csound to load S3M sample packs and Famicom DPCM samples. < 1359093314 566338 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it shortens the feedback loop time (the time before you hear what you're making) then it's totally worth it < 1359093338 457922 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: can't you already load, like, SF2? < 1359093378 98961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, Csound can already load SF2, but now I added the command to load S3M as well. < 1359093397 569354 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359093436 748445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADPCM packing is not supported but I don't know how that works so I did not program that in. < 1359093531 362885 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should look up the .WAV format specs, it supports 1 or 2 varieties of ADPCM < 1359093595 391284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also implemented the Csound plugin for PADsynth, which works by adding up some bell curves to make the amplitude table, putting random values in the phase table, and then inverse Fourier transform. It is as simple as that. < 1359093647 319424 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1359093661 518665 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the same result by stacking a bunch of saws < 1359093712 926175 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or passing noise through 2 or 3 slightly detuned comb filters < 1359094728 560991 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: has any interesting physical modeling come out of csound? < 1359095075 244831 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kindof the field I like tracking in synthesis and I haven't seen much interesting stuff in the field lately < 1359095644 484176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently crossdressing is part of the mating strategy for some cuttlefish < 1359095664 89814 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of fish do it, don't they? < 1359095665 368213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smaller males will disguise themselves as females and use this to get close to an actual female < 1359095690 939613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when the big aggressive males get distracted with fighting each other, the crossdressing male gets to mate < 1359095731 178858 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think whoever does Scandinavia and the World did some comics about mating strategies like that... either in fish or in birds, I don't remember. < 1359095733 156316 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that nice little chart of a bunch of animals that use extremely non-heteronormative mating techniques, change genders, and other sorts of cool things < 1359095765 185896 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! there it is < 1359095769 138016 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://humon.deviantart.com/#/d4vlen4 < 1359095792 290754 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that. < 1359095804 426421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love her art < 1359095811 296737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1359095824 378987 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love, um. Tales games? < 1359095837 768964 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yep, there's cuttlefish. < 1359095839 115942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like _Tales of Monkey Island_? < 1359095856 852655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_(series) < 1359095865 615084 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish are kind of wonderful < 1359095866 579854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1359095868 749928 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://humon.deviantart.com/art/Sneaky-Cuttlefish-293754048 flasher cuttlefish < 1359095889 870057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I bet you're an expert in MD5 collisions? < 1359095904 687819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the thing I want is tricky. < 1359095910 782673 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did my triple doctoral thesisin md5 collisions! < 1359095919 319774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great! < 1359095932 720498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an expert on claiming to be an expert about how to claim to be an expert. < 1359095936 545485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make one with a UCS-4 encoded string? < 1359095952 52065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular it has to be made up of alphanumeric Unicode codepoints, in fact. :-( < 1359095980 431408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty severe < 1359095985 277426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that part. < 1359095985 760133 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to tell me what amazing Safe Haskell environment you're breaking into, first. < 1359095986 485366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps most assigned codepoints are alphanumeric < 1359096006 377788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only 21 bits of "valid" codepoints, though. < 1359096021 661011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> last ['\0'..] < 1359096023 466519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1114111' < 1359096031 179936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '\1000000' < 1359096032 940382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : PrivateUse < 1359096043 654036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet GHC doesn't like PrivateUse in identifiers. < 1359096058 674827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you use private use characters for is your own business! < 1359096073 526440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '\800000' < 1359096075 114258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NotAssigned < 1359096124 95807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even full 21 bits, it's more like... < 1359096125 603746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (17*65536) < 1359096127 345943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20.087462841250343 < 1359096131 264232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That many bits. < 1359096133 547823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1359096134 993129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of 32. < 1359096142 97448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So every fourth byte will be 0 straight off. < 1359096332 744888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, < 1359096347 348788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes claims that the Naruto anime has 85 consecutive filler episodes < 1359096352 845578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought Endless Eight was bad < 1359096370 37083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I guess filler isn't generally as bad as repeat episodes) < 1359096388 744619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I never actually watched more than ... 3 or 4 episodes of Endless Eight) < 1359096408 795575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me, I left Suzumiya Haruhi off the list of anime I've watched < 1359096536 848789 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched Endless Eight at 4x speed. < 1359096544 311908 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you do this it's actually tolerable. < 1359096575 18545 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the thing where they did the same episode eight times? < 1359096663 700808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359096722 524546 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people actually watched that? < 1359096723 10007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Review I just saw of Naruto said that the plot was cliche and it's just the characters that make it interesting < 1359096723 731078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359096730 757499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer plot over characters < 1359096752 345606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, when it first came out, people never knew if the next episode would be the one to break the cycle, I think < 1359096807 374537 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, the episodes were called "Endless Eight" so after the first two or three I think it was rather obvious < 1359096863 895614 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: In the light novel it was a somewhat short chapter. < 1359096910 236469 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My point stands < 1359096915 622267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them, I think the fourth, had a strong airplane motif < 1359096923 228368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ended up being irrelevant < 1359096936 320042 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, on 4x it was entertaining. < 1359096944 637086 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly voices had a lot to do with it, mind. < 1359096952 171381 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, on 4x it was 2 episodes' worth. < 1359096972 782067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a post that was made while it was still going on, suggesting to suggest to future viewers to just watch first two than "hint" (which turned out to be red herring) then last < 1359096986 379226 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359097566 67503 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359097707 4439 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359098652 12598 :madbr!boulam@modemcable187.113-200-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1359099444 513782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359099446 839959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359100464 37667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endless Eight is really only the same episode repeated 7 times, plus the episode at the beginning < 1359100532 741887 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, that's alright then < 1359100618 521072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably order pizza tomorrow < 1359100624 605786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't been eating enough protein lately < 1359100757 372112 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chainsawsuit.com/comics/20120906.png < 1359100854 611918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds delicious. Especially because there's no actual pepperoni < 1359100927 809084 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you think the cantor set doesn't contain any actual points, either!! < 1359101003 289600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/pizza-huts-new-pizza-lovers-pizza-topped-with-smal,9891/ < 1359101045 119669 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why is the onion so wonderufl < 1359101237 1442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/existentialist-firefighter-delays-3-deaths,17500/ < 1359101479 485703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I hadn't seen http://www.theonion.com/articles/white-house-jester-beheaded-for-making-fun-of-soar,17495/ < 1359101522 705724 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama, a wit in his own right, warned that any guest who further tested his patience would 'be heading' for trouble. < 1359101711 468391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sssss, two more HTML-only emails today. They're getting more and more common. :/ < 1359103254 98915 :Strigoides!~Strigoide@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1359104742 766721 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359104879 551941 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-125.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359104937 211627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Csound does have many commands for physical modeling; look at the documentation. < 1359105102 282559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Auto-reply to them. < 1359105495 303209 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/shibboleth-users/EjvS2Cgio6c < 1359105558 565762 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, google translate was pretty bad in 2010 < 1359105568 800333 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi TOPIC #esoteric :FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE | concealed in fold of goat-time lumber | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1359105614 463483 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: bored < 1359106656 385752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359106883 582962 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359106914 563305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359107126 472285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the idea of stereo Famicom register, using the unused $4009 register to control the stereo. < 1359107172 585456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit7 = output internal square waves to left channel. bit6 = output internal triangle/noise/DPCM to left channel. bit5 = output internal square waves to right channel. bit4 = output internal triangle/noise/DPCM to right channel. bit3 = output internal square waves to cartridge. bit2 = output internal triangle/noise/DPCM to cartridge. bit1 = output cartridge audio to left channel. bit0 = output cartridge audio to right channel. < 1359107440 609381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the NSF specifications prohibit writing to $4009, so you could make stereo NSF which still plays in mono as well. < 1359107754 645242 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359108092 570766 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359108436 599195 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359110102 794084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359112026 378073 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359112034 783328 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1359112055 170017 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Something strange happened with me 2 times in the near past < 1359112083 241981 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : i would like to ask you guys how it is possible < 1359112087 496111 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it involve cookies ? < 1359112093 453032 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome frecz11642 < 1359112097 365956 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is that i dreamed pictures of my near future < 1359112098 31634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frecz11642: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359112108 889731 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : i checked every possibility and i had to realize that i really dreamed my future < 1359112134 102540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome frecz11642 | sed s/dal/dahl/ < 1359112136 355387 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frecz11642: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dahl.net.) < 1359112185 631985 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future must have been involved with cookies! < 1359112196 778611 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever dreamed of your future? < 1359112226 171430 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for my english as i'm not a native speaker or writer in this case < 1359112368 670193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The word "incorrigible" comes to mind, somehow. < 1359112385 166051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hope oerjan doesn't kick me again. < 1359112392 567961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make any permanent changes. < 1359112508 844012 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :frecz11642: If your dream concerned something relatively expected, I doubt that that's unusual. Otherwise, if that future already happened to you and you realized afterwards, it was probably déjà vu with some confirmation bias. If it was about something unexpected that hasn't happened yet, you're probably simply wrong. In any case, this isn't an appropriate channel (or network) for such discussions: you < 1359112510 820053 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :may want to visit #esoteric on irc.dal.net instead. < 1359112531 127382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, wait. < 1359112539 252194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person actually wanted irc.dal.net, didn't they. :-( < 1359112585 734628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, frecz11642. < 1359112593 610634 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1359112671 405721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're such a regular quadrilateral. < 1359112695 893121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm a diamond in the rough. < 1359113383 321630 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359114342 857837 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359114943 559400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359115439 257061 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | sed s/dal/dali/ < 1359115441 271264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dali.net.) < 1359115895 175259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdgklmnpqrstvxz])\b/$1h$2/g' < 1359115896 783234 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the internationahl huhb fohr esoterihc programming language design and deployment! Fohr more informatiohn, check ouht ouhr wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Fohr the othehr kind of esoterica, try #esoterihc ohn irc.dahl.neht.) < 1359115955 778645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1359115957 262885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] || { echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; } \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1359115976 438253 :Bacta!~thomas@202-180-112-138.callplus.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359115983 893998 :Bacta!~thomas@202-180-112-138.callplus.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Brainfuck enterprise ready? < 1359116009 16612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only with the PSOX framework hth < 1359116016 507489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run >wisdom/'?h' echo '? "$@" | perl -pe '\''s/([aeiouy])([bcdgklmnpqrstvxz])\b/$1h$2/g'\''' < 1359116019 879370 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359116022 695981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x wisdom/\?h < 1359116025 431940 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359116026 477144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?h welcome < 1359116027 445108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?h: not found < 1359116032 505565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1359116035 638118 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bacta < 1359116037 124165 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacta: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359116042 623976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/\?h bin/ < 1359116045 758217 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359116046 763567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?h welcome < 1359116048 208945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the internationahl huhb fohr esoterihc programming language design and deployment! Fohr more informatiohn, check ouht ouhr wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Fohr the othehr kind of esoterica, try #esoterihc ohn irc.dahl.neht.) < 1359116058 735915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?h finland < 1359116060 181348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland ihs a Europeahn country. There are two people ihn Finland, and aht least nine of thehm are ihn thihs channehl. Coruhn drivehs the buhs. < 1359116093 667280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdgklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/g' < 1359116095 281898 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd of ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359116114 721116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run >bin/'?hh' echo '? "$@" | perl -pe '\''s/([aeiouy])([bcdgklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/g'\''' < 1359116117 889555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359116119 92004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/\?hh < 1359116122 273705 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359116123 515639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/?h < 1359116124 479449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? "$@" | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdgklmnpqrstvxz])\b/$1h$2/g' < 1359116127 991164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh hexham < 1359116129 680957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehxhahm ihs a Euhrohpeahn town. Thehre ahre nihne peohple ihn Hehxhahm, ahnd aht leahst two of thehm ahre ihn thihs chahnnehl. Tahnehb loohks aftehr the hahm. < 1359116132 643182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oops < 1359116137 622607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've escaped that, shouldn't I. < 1359116145 497600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe added #! < 1359116145 777803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat? < 1359116146 982336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1359116169 17508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, this isn't sabotage, is it? < 1359116172 440519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a whole separate command! < 1359116193 336504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?? monqy < 1359116194 337746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ??: not found < 1359116198 633268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh monqy < 1359116200 87122 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friehndshihp mohnqy ihs ahn ahnciehnt Chihnehse myhstehry; ahsk ihtihduhs21 fohr dehtaihls. < 1359116206 166804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?? zzo38 < 1359116207 373533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ??: not found < 1359116211 364983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh elliott < 1359116213 149432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlliohtt wrohte thihs leahrn DB, ahnd wrohte ohr ihmprohvehd mahny of the ohthehr cohmmahnds ihn thihs boht. He prohbahbly hahs dohne ohthehr thihngs? < 1359116213 604470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh zzo38 < 1359116214 596535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 ihs noht ahctuahlly the nehxt vehrsiohn of fuhngoht, muhch ahs iht may seehm. < 1359116218 878499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo big improvement < 1359116275 924750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run >bin/'?hhh' echo '? "$@" | perl -pe '\''s/([aeiouy])([bcdgklmnpqrstvxz]+)/$1h$2/g'\'''; chmod +x bin/\?hhh < 1359116279 63065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359116283 710121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh welcome < 1359116284 916991 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd of ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359116302 5056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hhhhh will just be s/./h/g, right? < 1359116302 223729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1359116313 222656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh fizzie < 1359116314 727392 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fihzzie ihs ruhmouhrehd to be wrihttehn ihn Fuhnge-98. < 1359116319 790649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh fungot < 1359116320 513703 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and most esolangs aren't that big. and i have a problem with going back in the whitespace if you want < 1359116321 274230 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuhngoht cahnnoht be stohppehd by thaht swohrd ahlohne. < 1359116334 583125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is anything capable of stohppehing you? < 1359116335 577440 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: would that be exactly? some kind of extreme masochist who loves being shot 30 metres away :( < 1359116364 439282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wow, that's pretty ehxtrehme. < 1359116365 163025 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that the simplest possible field is k 0, but 1, 2 < 1359116366 148139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think it is a mistake to bake the ? part in, that way you cannot use it to create a proper wehlcohme command < 1359116377 918151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True. Feel free to generalize it. < 1359116398 175705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going home. < 1359116399 620516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh home < 1359116401 236547 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hohme? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116405 738680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh bach < 1359116407 329824 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahch? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116409 141180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh italian < 1359116410 587155 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihtahliahn? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116414 979780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh guitar < 1359116416 2925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :guihtahr? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116418 971805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh charcoal < 1359116420 418829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chahrcoahl? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116421 701623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh telemarketer < 1359116423 503120 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehlehmahrkehtehr? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116446 646562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This leahrn DB could use a bunch more entries. < 1359116452 43268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh papaya < 1359116453 347277 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pahpaya? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116464 979429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh nonsense < 1359116466 151604 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nohnsehnse? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116467 529689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh haskell < 1359116469 29004 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbouhnd ihmplihciht pahrahmehtehr (?hahskehll::Wihsdohm) \ ahrihsihng frohm a uhse of ihmplihciht pahrahmehtehr `?hahskehll' < 1359116478 875652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh hi < 1359116480 321123 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116485 311544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh hi monqy < 1359116487 127833 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mohnqy? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359116495 652563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh monoid < 1359116496 136132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh monoids < 1359116497 1405 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mohnoihds ahre juhst cahtehgohriehs wihth a sihngle ohbjehct. < 1359116497 899675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mohnoihds ahre the eahsy vehrsiohn of cahtehgohriehs. < 1359116500 484504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, enough spam. < 1359116551 69382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm a bit confused, aren't ?hh and ?hhh equivalent? < 1359117042 683210 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-125.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359117092 683044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh dahl < 1359117094 156170 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dahl? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359117099 741637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dahl < 1359117101 33137 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dahl? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359117320 880733 :Bacta!~thomas@202-180-112-138.callplus.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359117909 356493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are they? < 1359117927 35924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually hh is superior to hhh. < 1359117945 103826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh monoid < 1359117946 188600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hhh monoid < 1359117946 614045 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mohnoihds ahre juhst cahtehgohriehs wihth a sihngle ohbjehct. < 1359117947 389208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mohnoihds ahre juhst cahtehgohriehs wihth a sihngle ohbjehct. < 1359117958 248832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, you're right. < 1359117961 760268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just make no sense. < 1359117981 91 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*ÆÅØ < 1359117989 304816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wanted to make two improvements to `?h -- the hh one and the hhh one. < 1359117999 417498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the hh one subsubes the hhh one. < 1359118005 761958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/b/m/ < 1359118016 193807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/?hhh < 1359118018 638720 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359118035 109521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Fiora < 1359118036 556632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiohra ihs frohm sohme ihslahnd sohmewhehre. She juhst doehsn't wahnt to be bohthehrehd, ahs she wohrks ouht hehr dohmihnahtiohn plahn ahs ihmmohrtahl queehn of the drahgohns. < 1359118056 29349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Which that-comic character is *that*? < 1359118056 755671 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh wisdom/hh < 1359118058 45972 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wihsdohm/hh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118065 445953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Jafet < 1359118066 450357 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359118066 931851 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafeht? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118087 789231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why didn't that give two hs < 1359118106 249793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not /i < 1359118133 52795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s,/g,/ig, bin/\?{h,hh} < 1359118134 163173 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I and I would appreciate that < 1359118136 98632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359118138 27500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is not in the list of consonants there. < 1359118141 998525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Jafet < 1359118143 406220 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafeht? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118146 855352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359118154 988174 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh bin/hh < 1359118156 486605 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bihn/hh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118159 664690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some reason or another. I just made it up.) < 1359118162 205549 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/hh bin/hh < 1359118163 191077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bin/hh: No such file or directory < 1359118177 825885 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/\?hh bin/\?hh < 1359118179 626513 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bihn/?hh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118183 744050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My ig change is still an improvement, isn't it? < 1359118188 724403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't think very well at this hour. < 1359118192 383716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Jafet is a boojum < 1359118196 19526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359118200 789054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/?hh < 1359118202 108213 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? "$@" | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdgklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' < 1359118225 427468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess, though arguably it should be even cleverer and adapt the majority case, to avoid DAL -> DAhL. < 1359118238 88552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True. < 1359118245 292194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can just say that the h is whispered. < 1359118251 575544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being unvoiced and all. < 1359118258 861366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sihlehnt. < 1359118273 217027 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, no < 1359118288 365357 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hhhohnehstlhy < 1359118289 327117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, should the list of consonants have h? < 1359118308 262274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/bcdgklmnpqrstvxz/bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz/ bin/\?{h,hh} < 1359118311 235085 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359118314 119216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Jafet < 1359118315 567813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jahfeht ihs a boohjuhm < 1359118329 45131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh calvin and hobbes < 1359118330 861272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cahlvihn ahnd hohbbehs? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118336 324924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh haskell < 1359118337 321274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhnbouhnd ihmplihciht pahrahmehtehr (?hahskehll::Wihsdohm) \ ahrihsihng frohm a uhse ohf ihmplihciht pahrahmehtehr `?hahskehll' < 1359118349 568443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh platitude < 1359118351 14612 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :plahtihtuhde? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118353 950846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh drums < 1359118355 193129 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :druhms? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118357 129891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh drum < 1359118358 713978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :druhm? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118365 61199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh antidote < 1359118366 571393 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahntihdohte? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118368 984275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh flagpole < 1359118370 481755 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :flahgpohle? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118371 925677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh ramanujan < 1359118373 176423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rahmahnuhjahn? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118375 896331 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh hohum < 1359118377 653402 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hohhuhm? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118379 280129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh claustrophobia < 1359118380 595434 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :clauhstrohphohbia? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118382 997652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. < 1359118393 573037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This leahrn DB is usehlehss. < 1359118419 324626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhsehlehss. < 1359118434 55519 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf just arrived at wisdom. < 1359118449 497621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(ls wisdom/) < 1359118451 203117 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? ? ⌨ ☃ 🐐 ais523 america atriq augur banach-tarski bike boily bonvenon brain brainf**k brainfuck brick burma c cakeprophet california category coffee comonad coppro cyberiad devious d-module egobot ehird elliott endofunctor endomorphism england esoteric europe everyone finland finnish finns fiora fizzie flower footnote 8 freefull friends < 1359118455 483382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh friends < 1359118456 446572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friehnds? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359118462 744173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh friendship < 1359118464 190857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friehndshihp wihsdohm < 1359118475 352277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 8 < 1359118476 469670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? < 1359118493 964764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh footnote 8 < 1359118494 230383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Claustrophobia thought the wisdom database was getting too crowded, so left. < 1359118495 286464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ihsn't iht fuhn reahdihng throuhgh ahll the foohtnohtehs? < 1359118497 306988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359118529 170092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | wc -l < 1359118530 464334 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :140 < 1359118531 671284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Friends make graphs together / La la la la < 1359118533 352984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowza. < 1359118535 21268 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359118557 832091 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo wisdom/* | xargs -n 1 cat < 1359118560 686152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See `? for further details. \ ? is wisdom \ ☃ brrr... \ You are probably using one right now! \ 🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.) \ Agent "Iä" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. \ This wisdom entry had to be removed due < 1359118580 163785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >wisdom/flagpole A flagpole is like a tadpole, but with a flag on top. < 1359118583 164073 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359118691 480923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >wisdom/tadpole A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater. < 1359118694 629996 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359118696 488408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find wisdom/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 wc -c | sort -nr | head -n 2 < 1359118698 11615 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10005 total \ 256 wisdom/wercome < 1359118714 273269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1339 < 1359118718 686084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you need to drop ngevd < 1359118726 319873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I already did. < 1359118727 44773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION approves of dropping ngevd. < 1359118731 7814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh ngevd < 1359118731 226253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that what the -type f is for < 1359118732 507146 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :o e{.IoOhPhi˖$0qa|M0ٞۗƖ!pn!(q%y7Ģ>{yg,2F#_J<)E2;EhD1E!ohG\S|3ax[L!o(APs%MEsgBA8UhTQL.DQk' \ |@Ȑ3GQu*eےf87ZTOp$apD( >S7E[ !;t#(6 \ J.hͼܻ1x70ffX\zԧ:n~>Hu$ < 1359118735 928114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1359118736 525186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359118739 736640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what you meant by drop. < 1359118741 528992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1359118763 803079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, you just broke the ten-(SI-)kilobyte mark with your tadpole. < 1359118768 882126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1359118778 528394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,7colour < 1359118794 513441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move to delete wisom/ngevd < 1359118803 428365 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisom/ngevd < 1359118805 83124 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisom/ngevd': No such file or directory < 1359118805 301839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DENIED < 1359118811 655976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a cunning trap, ngevd is. < 1359118826 169690 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file wisdom/ngevd < 1359118826 652221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ngevd: symbolic link to `/dev/urandom' < 1359118831 655628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move to delete wisdom/ngevd < 1359118838 132163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DENIED < 1359118840 853103 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm /dev/urandom < 1359118841 849704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/dev/urandom': Read-only file system < 1359118907 728963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh taneb < 1359118909 204258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh atriq < 1359118909 443344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tahnehb ihs noht ehlliohtt, no mahttehr who you ahsk. He ahlso ihsn't a rahbbi ahlthouhgh he hahs prehtehndehd ihn the pahst. (see ahlso: d-mohduhlehs) < 1359118910 612441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahtrihq ohr two < 1359118919 206311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?? d-modules < 1359118920 170393 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ??: not found < 1359118920 654331 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr -cd '[:isprint:]' /dev/urandom < 1359118921 859254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr: extra operand `/dev/urandom' \ Only one string may be given when deleting without squeezing repeats. \ Try `tr --help' for more information. < 1359118925 831750 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr -cd '[:isprint:]' < /dev/urandom < 1359118927 151152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr: invalid character class `isprint' < 1359118932 43452 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr -cd '[:print:]' < /dev/urandom < 1359118933 245294 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaecHK},>Z'{C-w-Hfg[>"P|~F-C*`znS%Dc{NHp)n6Y^ncwa|$LCiO\96[Sv|1kgHN\]d@_|Y9h;Io_2c|q;Sw#/gE6$e.mx|u:qil5)(!KT1@j>]Q,p/2WPTN$~=Xa/U*z0p=7;'Hs}D36mv$i_5r{tLlI# k|l!sfRQ+_XbscbmpsljXL'5=^kGUbci*04h337g7%v/X1d&!3-kc"a"FXghW-/OO%tVGh"PDO8u*X5])QX8?"8{.-#a%wnSw2PeFmg3{m,2@C[KyT} rim_}j62z}M~ODz!wbSJgI(4+@fCN7evV=/r7po%n,><>: XN&[`sa)>^es}A5\?5-JC!ewx@[%j!z{'c"B@DbO*h1_Lqm1EHu>[[D>L0&)nUR31s5vZu\;uZk,F8l!tQ*Zc3.3!gEg(!;!Yj}Z>rfz_nfFo86]cv|8a^Ut7tsd0to*+ajA: I}r#*rM!.L/=rhh~E)YBJj52?,=3pxm1n':}t1"^u%/KW`L51FvjOb: < 1359118978 804030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln wisdom/d-module{,s} < 1359118981 850901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359119000 53398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Atrix is a brand of hand cream. Not to be confused with atriq. < 1359119001 343529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The '[:print: ]' one looked like an esolang. < 1359119003 617192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359119023 856424 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr -cd '+-<>,.[]' < /dev/urandom < 1359119025 368030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<9-5007[79]/1422;44[,4<06>,:977//>>6,6.0[>,>1;647/67;1]8-8<;<.,4<<]1.,5,7<8+00:4[>7:5.[6.],[92507.73]>:.[-0+<0/:06:-232..[[0/2467;-,]/,/543-[0//,5:.9];,:>98+.>+][3.,46<;>-1.:>37-66<],[6><+0;>>55872/;39.<,10>08>>0[-2,7[2,7[/4/776+>:+1;644:;4.>]4->9;]9.];]-0<479-96<793;/+39;[9].:9>7-4,7.:>7926-2,4:1..;6<-69:;[<-2.5;814<+1.8<]>8]<67437088+<<;241[570 < 1359119036 896860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too. < 1359119042 977785 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr -cd '\+\-\<\>\,\.\[\]' < /dev/urandom < 1359119044 207813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>,+.]>,[,[.[[-.+],]>+>+<.][[]-.<[.>+,-.>]><]>[]-+-<<<-]+>]-],<[[>[<].-,+>.+[<>>-<<+[[].>]<<[-].]<][-+<.+[<]<-++,]-,,,,,<>.-[+->.]].]<>>>[<++<[.+>[[--++-[>->,.[,.[+.<+>[>[>,[>]>-.-+++]-,+<--..<,+[.,+,-[.,[.<]>],+>]+-[<>[-<],-[]<-[],<+.+.,<<<<[,]>].<[,-,<.-,<<]>-[]-[-][].>.>>.[>->,-+-++++--<,<,+<<[-><+[[<.<.]..+]<>[.,<.,.>+]<.+>]<,.,.<-<>>>>[]>+][ < 1359119089 356293 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359119103 904990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd run it if it weren't for the mismatched []s. < 1359119154 1579 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dawkins [[[[?>,+.]>,[,[.[[-.+],]>+>+<.][[]-.<[.>+,-.>]><]>[]-+-<<<-]+>]-],<[[>[<].-,+>.+[<>>-<<+[[].>]<<[-].]<][-+<.+[<]<-++,]-,,,,,<>.-[+->.]].]<>>>[<++<[.+>[[--++-[>->,.[,.[+.<+>[>[>,[>]>-.-+++]-,+<--..<,+[.,+,-[.,[.<]>],+>]+-[<>[-<],-[]<-[],<+.+.,<<<<[,]>].<[,-,<.-,<<]>-[]-[-][].>.>>.[>->,-+-++++--<,<,+<<[-><+[[<.<.]..+]<>[.,<.,.>+]<.+>]<,.,.<-<>>>>[]>+][]]]]]]]]] < 1359119163 271739 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_dawkins: 0.0 < 1359119185 277193 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust [ [ < 1359119188 124727 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet__: 0.0 < 1359119229 712556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I didn't manage to catch the breakdown.txt for dawkins. :/ < 1359119253 76679 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why is there a ? < 1359119261 717451 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dawkins [[[[>,+.]>,[,[.[[-.+],]>+>+<.][[]-.<[.>+,-.>]><]>[]-+-<<<-]+>]-],<[[>[<].-,+>.+[<>>-<<+[[].>]<<[-].]<][-+<.+[<]<-++,]-,,,,,<>.-[+->.]].]<>>>[<++<[.+>[[--++-[>->,.[,.[+.<+>[>[>,[>]>-.-+++]-,+<--..<,+[.,+,-[.,[.<]>],+>]+-[<>[-<],-[]<-[],<+.+.,<<<<[,]>].<[,-,<.-,<<]>-[]-[-][].>.>>.[>->,-+-++++--<,<,+<<[-><+[[<.<.]..+]<>[.,<.,.>+]<.+>]<,.,.<-<>>>>[]>+][]]]]]]]]] < 1359119264 569377 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_dawkins: 0.0 < 1359119277 484251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's *some* wins. < 1359119301 167899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what are those two last matches -- ais523_counterpoke.bfjoust vs ais523_vibration.bfjoust and ais523_waterfall2.bfjoust vs atehwa_test_blah.bfjoust -- doing at the bottom of breakdown.txt? < 1359119427 642271 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/ngevd && ln /dev/urandom wisdom/ngevd < 1359119430 967589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating hard link `wisdom/ngevd' => `/dev/urandom': Invalid cross-device link < 1359119510 520482 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359119579 453484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359119580 672245 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359119589 564862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet -----### < 1359119609 105755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s /dev/urandom wisdom/ngevd < 1359119611 973124 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359119616 537158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359119617 562439 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$aF Zo~+Qxh. -uZQ/$ < 1359119641 535757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a rather short ngevd. < 1359119658 511699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1359119698 239186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does /dev/urandom end in the first place. < 1359119731 226982 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'abc\0def' < 1359119732 191280 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc.def < 1359119747 564939 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\0' | hd < 1359119748 820988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 00 0a |..| \ 00000002 < 1359119768 361545 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'abc\377def' < 1359119769 566894 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc\377def < 1359119773 733938 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'abc\xffdef' < 1359119774 981365 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdef < 1359119866 601221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf 'abc\x0ddef' < 1359119867 567816 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1359119869 736823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1359119956 611288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea why a CR does that; based on a quick test of adding some valid IRC commands after, it's not just because it were sending that raw.) < 1359120176 888000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1359120230 686008 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359120366 415181 :frecz11642!~frecz11@54025D9E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1359120497 584477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | shuf < 1359120498 817222 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott \ shachaf \ welcome \ monqy \ banach-tarski \ hackego \ object \ endofunctor \ augur \ nooga \ gaspacho \ mad \ burma \ zzo38 \ php \ wiki \ coppro \ monoid \ friendship \ c \ gazpacho \ phantom____________________hoover \ usa \ irc \ brain \ egobot \ norway \ phantom__hoover \ qdb \ kallisti \ everyone \ d-modules \ oceans \ oklopol \ phan < 1359120508 712824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh banach-tarski < 1359120510 428623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Bahnahch-Tahrski" ihs ahn ahnahgrahm ohf "Bahnahch-Tahrski Bahnahch-Tahrski". < 1359120510 909972 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1359120514 856399 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you :( < 1359120518 276757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh endofunctor < 1359120519 761771 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehndohfuhnctohrs ahre juhst ehndohmohrphihsms ihn the cahtehgohry ohf cahtehgohriehs. < 1359120526 621364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh gaszpacho < 1359120528 104622 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahszpahcho ihs a pohlihsh souhp, trahdihtiohnahlly szehrvehd cohld fohr hoht szuhmmehr dayhs < 1359120541 695683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh gazspacho < 1359120543 382560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahzspahcho ihs a huhngahriahn szouhp, trahdihzsohnahlly szehrvehd cohld fohr hoht szuhmmehr dayhz < 1359120588 313897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh brain < 1359120589 509711 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braihns ahre juhst rehcehptahclehs fohr brihcks. < 1359120590 218315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's winning Subject: field: "CfP Workshop on". < 1359120596 858368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did make me look at the contents, at least. < 1359120602 638868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh php < 1359120603 888895 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP ihs prehfehrrehd by 9 ouht ohf 10 ihdiohts, ahnd pahst ehlliohtt. Ahsk youhr GP tohday! [Wehbsihte rehdahctehd] < 1359120608 121424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh wiki < 1359120609 609491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wihki ihs aht http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki < 1359120631 861782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hh < 1359120632 809793 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/hh: No such file or directory < 1359120636 470736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/?hh < 1359120637 481480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? "$@" | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' < 1359120667 366133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`h < 1359120668 454084 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: h: not found < 1359120672 739593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'perl -pe '\''s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig'\'' > bin/h; chmod +x bin/h < 1359120674 634745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1359120692 491713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'perl -pe '\''s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig'\''' > bin/h; chmod +x bin/h < 1359120695 307672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359120702 447508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | h < 1359120704 159215 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359120707 548952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WELCOME < 1359120708 613274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | perl -pe '$_ = uc' < 1359120737 427095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'welcome "$@" | h' > bin/wehlcohme; chmod +x bin/wehlcohme < 1359120740 797606 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359120757 892736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme oerjan du jour < 1359120759 839099 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oehrjahn: du: jouhr: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359120779 270091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THE JOKE IS DU JOERJAN BTW) < 1359120846 713839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh funpuns < 1359120848 229733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuhnpuhns? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359120851 428344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1359120921 708692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | h | h < 1359120923 485785 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehhlcohhme to the ihhntehhrnahhtiohhnahhl huhhb fohhr ehhsohhtehhrihhc prohhgrahhmmihhng lahhnguahhge dehhsihhgn ahhnd dehhployhhmehhnt! Fohhr mohhre ihhnfohhrmahhtiohhn, chehhck ouhht ouhhr wihhki: http://ehhsohhlahhngs.ohhrg/wihhki/Maihhn_Pahhge. (Fohhr the ohhthehhr kihhnd ohhf ehhsohhtehhrihhca, try #ehhsohhtehhrihhc ohhn ihhrc.dahhl.nehht.) < 1359120927 779789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | h | h | h | h | h < 1359120930 897428 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehhhhhlcohhhhhme to the ihhhhhntehhhhhrnahhhhhtiohhhhhnahhhhhl huhhhhhb fohhhhhr ehhhhhsohhhhhtehhhhhrihhhhhc prohhhhhgrahhhhhmmihhhhhng lahhhhhnguahhhhhge dehhhhhsihhhhhgn ahhhhhnd dehhhhhployhhhhhmehhhhhnt! Fohhhhhr mohhhhhre ihhhhhnfohhhhhrmahhhhhtiohhhhhn, chehhhhhck ouhhhhht ouhhhhhr wihhhhhki: http://ehhhhhsohhhhhlahhhhhngs.ohhhhhrg/wihhhhhk < 1359120975 998152 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359120981 220278 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359120988 646672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's h% is at 5.16% according to my logs; yesterday's was 3.41%. < 1359121034 158783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you "h"? < 1359121035 123566 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's short for fnord tach guten tag ( german) < 1359121055 606401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can we have a graph of h% over time? < 1359121077 95718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo monqy |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h < 1359121081 34727 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnqy < 1359121089 133452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't, but I'm terribly tempted to. < 1359121089 872137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo monqy |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h < 1359121097 135048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd look at it! < 1359121099 834438 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnqy < 1359121115 131401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo kan |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h |h < 1359121119 279087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhn < 1359121126 121029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you _mean_ it's wrong) < 1359121138 976710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or at least give us more information. < 1359121140 764031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h < 1359121142 234016 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' < 1359121144 363617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the highest h% we've ever had? < 1359121147 380476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: QUIET < 1359121152 191380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant to be this way. < 1359121159 816752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but #!... < 1359121180 764731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl -p < 1359121286 672696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/perl -pe '\''.*'\''/#!/usr/bin/perl -p\n$1' bin/h < 1359121287 921826 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unknown option to `s' < 1359121292 590761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1359121349 452425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type -a sponge < 1359121350 574601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: type: sponge: not found < 1359121361 845605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "%s" '#!/usr/bin/perl -p'"\n"'s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' >bin/h < 1359121365 101872 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359121369 615744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h < 1359121370 580894 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -p\ns/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig < 1359121374 985437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359121380 987713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the printf? < 1359121424 921210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/usr/bin/perl -p'; echo 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig') >bin/h < 1359121427 870820 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359121432 347887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h < 1359121433 438934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig < 1359121439 874657 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.138.192 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359121448 590839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone demonstrated it, so i wanted to try. < 1359121460 998629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | h < 1359121462 686648 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359121505 18452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'perl -ipe '\''s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig'\'' "$1"' > bin/'h!'; chmod +x bin/'h!' < 1359121508 321723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359121579 369878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1359121583 575078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359121640 607918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "%s" how did it go again < 1359121641 658785 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdiditgoagain < 1359121653 986344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "%s\n" how did it go again < 1359121655 155849 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :how \ did \ it \ go \ again < 1359121660 195924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1359121676 385285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooky < 1359121706 516291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://sprunge.us/ibUP (But the database is only updated every now and then, so it doesn't really have much of today in it.) < 1359121737 362152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which printf < 1359121738 312949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/printf < 1359121742 325437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which printf < 1359121743 531274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/printf < 1359121755 68772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf --version < 1359121756 299404 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf (GNU coreutils) 8.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by David MacKenzie. < 1359121796 358311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type printf # there's also this < 1359121797 323982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf is a shell builtin < 1359121822 993146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf --version # which doesn't know about versions < 1359121824 666759 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: printf: --: invalid option \ printf: usage: printf [-v var] format [arguments] < 1359121828 63564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome > testfile < 1359121831 420219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i assumed which would catch builtins < 1359121831 904183 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359121833 145608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`h! testfile < 1359121834 353539 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig": No such file or directory < 1359121838 487272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pft. < 1359121842 173397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h! < 1359121843 245546 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -ipe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' "$1" < 1359121845 58749 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which which < 1359121846 261586 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/which < 1359121855 315246 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $SHELL < 1359121856 320361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh < 1359121856 559467 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember a rant about how the chap who makes Python doesn't like functional programming < 1359121868 619005 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $0 < 1359121869 824441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash < 1359121893 242164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed s/i/i\'\'\ -/ bin/h\! < 1359121894 450144 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -i'' -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' "$1" < 1359121901 74885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/i/i\'\'\ -/ bin/h\! < 1359121904 250591 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359121924 701834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`h! testfile < 1359121927 643014 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359121928 856110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat testfile < 1359121929 822153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359121934 3853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm testfile < 1359121936 568375 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359121987 472728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which witch < 1359121988 468969 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359122010 744304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would it be bad if i `h! wisdom/welcome < 1359122053 830665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, thanks! < 1359122055 758517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad that you're even _thinking_ about it, shachaf < 1359122066 871299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So today is the highest-h% day ever? < 1359122084 819029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would you /kickban me if I did it? < 1359122098 768934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should graph frequency of letter / average frequency of letter for all letters, hth < 1359122117 206172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth hth < 1359122128 423008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo just doing my part | h < 1359122129 494542 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doing my part | h < 1359122137 316107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well done, HackEgo. < 1359122140 486333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo just doing my part | h < 1359122141 931626 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :juhst doihng my pahrt < 1359122167 907506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think there's something wrong with the wiki < 1359122178 853838 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser tells me it can't find the server for http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge < 1359122183 769786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that would give huge variation for rare letters. < 1359122221 258979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's shachaf's job to buy us the ohrg domain for that use < 1359122221 517249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Oops, that's a bug in the welcome script. < 1359122222 464594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try this: < 1359122237 435586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The 5.16%/3.41% numbers weren't computed in quite the same way, so I can't be exactly sure; and the query only looked at last year and this; but odds are reasonable. (According to http://sprunge.us/XCaj mean h is 0.035, with a sigma of 0.0026, so an actual 5.16% would be like a six-sigma result. < 1359122242 352234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wehlcome Arc_Koen |h |h |h |h < 1359122244 395874 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: wehlcome: command not found < 1359122247 904204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wehlcohme Arc_Koen |h |h |h |h < 1359122250 156961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhrc_Koehhhhhn: Wehhhhhlcohhhhhme to the ihhhhhntehhhhhrnahhhhhtiohhhhhnahhhhhl huhhhhhb fohhhhhr ehhhhhsohhhhhtehhhhhrihhhhhc prohhhhhgrahhhhhmmihhhhhng lahhhhhnguahhhhhge dehhhhhsihhhhhgn ahhhhhnd dehhhhhployhhhhhmehhhhhnt! Fohhhhhr mohhhhhre ihhhhhnfohhhhhrmahhhhhtiohhhhhn, chehhhhhck ouhhhhht ouhhhhhr wihhhhhki: http://ehhhhhsohhhhhlahhhhhn < 1359122258 109357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wehlcohme Arc_Koen |h < 1359122260 39242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhrc_Koehhn: Wehhlcohhme to the ihhntehhrnahhtiohhnahhl huhhb fohhr ehhsohhtehhrihhc prohhgrahhmmihhng lahhnguahhge dehhsihhgn ahhnd dehhployhhmehhnt! Fohhr mohhre ihhnfohhrmahhtiohhn, chehhck ouhht ouhhr wihhki: http://ehhsohhlahhngs.ohhrg/wihhki/Maihhn_Pahhge. (Fohhr the ohhthehhr kihhnd ohhf ehhsohhtehhrihhca, try #ehhsohhtehhrihhc ohhn ihhrc.d < 1359122302 628796 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net NICK :Ahhrc_Koehhn < 1359122348 142664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 shahchahf < 1359122348 424793 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funupunus < 1359122372 900784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll certainly try to include that in the forthcoming "#esoteric visualizations" website. < 1359122385 629823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1359122477 412566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some kind of a RRDtool-driven thing could work for it, this query across the whole of time itself is taking a long long time. < 1359122480 849426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Homework: Improve `h so that you can give it command line arguments. < 1359122507 539413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. if $# > 1 echo $@ | exec $0 < 1359122510 539660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1359122512 511323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too tired. < 1359122524 821509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz < 1359122537 266533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz | h < 1359122538 558412 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz < 1359122544 410986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help it's immune < 1359122561 268635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Phantom_Hoover | h < 1359122562 233855 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phahntohm_Hoohvehr < 1359122584 646322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be "Phahntohm_Hohohvehr" < 1359122668 293756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nohpe < 1359122682 205198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1359122683 788862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ korma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359122687 938614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat dbg.out < 1359122688 876286 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+ trap 'kill -TERM 0' EXIT \ + read s \ + files=(/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-??-??.txt) \ + line= \ + jobs \ + [[ -z '' ]] \ + sleep .3 \ + for i in '"${!files[@]}"' \ + for i in '"${!files[@]}"' \ + for i in '"${!files[@]}"' \ + for i in '"${!files[@]}"' \ + for i in '"${!files[@]}"' \ + for i in '"${!files[@]}"' \ + for i in '"${!files[@]}"' \ < 1359122694 455621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone need that file? < 1359122699 42820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want to h! it. < 1359122816 845785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the full query says there's been a h% of approximately 67% on 2004-11-22, but on that day the only message was "heh", so maybe it doesn't quite count? http://sprunge.us/OPVj < 1359122860 502638 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359122860 763107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004-07-04 managed an impressive 37.5% over nine separate messages, though. < 1359122877 233871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("hi", "hi", "dah", "you", "oh no", "heh", "hi", "hi" and "hi".) < 1359122887 340163 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359122904 684447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also my logs are occasionally spotty, I've spent a few months away now and then.) < 1359122962 944926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said the "heh"? < 1359122976 509684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was "tonsofpcs". < 1359122996 124866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, unless you meant the other "heh". < 1359123003 843931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single-"heh" day "heh" was lament. < 1359123014 491044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, lament < 1359123016 738557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament++ < 1359123027 469985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear lament can't Cale. < 1359123117 57862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i doubt it will be missed http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log?rev=dbg.out < 1359123137 316583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/paste < 1359123138 369765 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ PASTE=- \ else \ PASTE="$1" \ fi \ \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \ \ url paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ cat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" < 1359123139 387038 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359123172 848788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste test < 1359123174 229382 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359123176 449512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32510 < 1359123196 85136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1359123249 535267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`h! test < 1359123252 883709 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359123254 336048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste test < 1359123258 309696 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.352 < 1359123318 191320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering only days with at least 200 messages (a number out of a hat), hhhhighest h-honour goes to 2005-05-09 with 4.658%. http://sprunge.us/NaEU < 1359123319 553671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1359123320 773334 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ korma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359123329 551097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste nosuchfile < 1359123333 221226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5817 \ cat: nosuchfile: No such file or directory < 1359123336 323906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1359123440 911533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/paste < 1359123441 977202 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/paste < 1359123443 270185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thhhhough we're all abso-hhh-lutely ruining today's originally-hhhhhhigh chhances of gehttihng to the thop, withhhhh all this unnecessary chhatter. < 1359123465 974135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hohw hohrrihble < 1359123473 304762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weh're noht gohihng to geht pahst 67% < 1359123508 370413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just takes hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh determination. < 1359123526 504961 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1359123615 512898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/paste < 1359123620 104385 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-25 14:20:18 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/paste [181/181] -> "paste.1" [1] < 1359123644 22593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat paste.1 >bin/paste < 1359123647 391846 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359123653 499158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste test < 1359123654 255642 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/test < 1359123661 876996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test | paste < 1359123665 579766 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19590 < 1359123668 230660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a web page? < 1359123731 713981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now paste is a synonym for url when there's an actual filename < 1359123743 23071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm paste.1 < 1359123746 223396 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359123800 657698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo helloerjan | h < 1359123802 22754 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehlloehrjahn < 1359123821 956805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo an improvement < 1359123841 310831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehlloehrjahn < 1359123843 202930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/paste < 1359123844 428024 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \ \ url paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ cat > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ else \ url "$1" \ fi < 1359123899 943597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Were you referring to the dinosaur? < 1359123922 218575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaan < 1359123939 483181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 's/else/else # Save making a file when it already exists./' bin/paste < 1359123942 492089 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359123946 567750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/paste < 1359123947 778102 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \ \ url paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ cat > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ else # Save making a file when it already exists. \ url "$1" \ fi < 1359123954 304053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste test < 1359123955 793910 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/test < 1359123979 435031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. < 1359124078 694628 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhi all! < 1359124096 953305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhhhhhhhehlloh bhoihlyh < 1359124139 465008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :WHYH HHHHHHELLOHH THEHRE | FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE | concealed in fold of goat-time lumber | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1359124146 260877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | shuf < 1359124147 733820 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom____________________hoover \ brick \ gaspacho \ bike \ gregor \ lifthrasiir \ cakeprophet \ c \ boily \ i \ norway \ shachaf \ egobot \ ☃ \ misspellings of croissant \ monoid \ the them \ natural transformation \ lens \ gazpacho \ lettuce \ wiki \ flagpole \ monoids \ itidus21 \ szoup \ vorpal \ välkommen \ fiora \ taneb \ devious \ ø \ < 1359124152 425755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh phantom____________________hoover < 1359124153 875147 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Youhr souhndcahrd wohrks pehrfehctly. < 1359124172 92707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo hhhhhhhhtml shouhld be the nehw stahndahrd < 1359124173 844408 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh lifthrasiir < 1359124174 380993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better accent now < 1359124175 791502 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lihfthrahsiihr ihs shuhnnehd by the rehst ohf hihs couhntry fohr beihng no goohd aht Leahgue ohf Lehgehnds. < 1359124178 681630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh brick < 1359124180 206764 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brihck goehs ihn braihn. The stahtuhtohry puhnihshmehnt fohr pehrpehtrahtohrs ohf braihnfuhck dehrihvahtihvehs. < 1359124181 677292 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1359124205 534539 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? i < 1359124206 499515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh cakeprophet < 1359124206 754533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1359124208 1145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:> < 1359124212 589526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh monoids < 1359124214 185408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mohnoihds ahre the eahsy vehrsiohn ohf cahtehgohriehs. < 1359124214 668874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh i < 1359124216 370336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lohve mohnoihds < 1359124227 274280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh flagpole < 1359124228 764917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flahgpohle ihs lihke a tahdpohle, buht wihth a flahg ohn tohp. < 1359124229 1754 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhh... < 1359124230 144458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh lettuce < 1359124231 466739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lehttuhce ihs a vehgehtahble wihth two drehssihngs, joihn ahnd meeht. < 1359124240 477441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Ngevd < 1359124241 919306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​˱KXfU`YB_ /VR`~3莁܊S|jPj~9]ĒY`UhZ8= 3qpsvo+P~a#]Siy}.NY.a['/ S.͓ܭfEQu.|Q>;ZdF9{EP|d1vz!b}Qa`} \ elliott: I think there's something wrong with the wiki < 1359124389 550315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh struhctuhrahl suhbtyhpihng < 1359124391 305187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong howso < 1359124391 527046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :struhhctuhhrahhl suhhbtyhhpihhng? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359124394 50110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're gone < 1359124401 164425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was just a joke anyway. < 1359124423 417245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw ihm gohihng to sleehp ihn a mohmehnt < 1359124429 171107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh structural subtyping < 1359124430 665489 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noht to be cohnfuhsehd wihth suhbstruhctuhrahl tyhpihng. < 1359124441 984278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh ievan < 1359124443 667119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iehvahn ihs bahsihcahlly http://www.youhtuhbe.cohm/wahtch?v=4ohm1rQKPihjI < 1359124490 935804 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ievan < 1359124492 141302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ievan is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI < 1359124505 960017 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1359124520 835794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh pie < 1359124522 478405 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lihke pie \ I lihke pie < 1359124525 258139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh wercome < 1359124526 921178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge。(他のエソテリック、ihrc.dahl.nehtの#ehsohtehrihcへ) < 1359124559 366199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh hackego < 1359124561 92545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HahckEhgo, ahlso known ahs HahckBoht, ihs a boht thaht ruhns ahrbihtrahry cohmmahnds ohn Uhnihx. See `hehlp fohr ihnfo ohn uhsihng iht. You shouhld tohtahlly try to hahx0r iht! Mahke suhre you ihmahgihne iht's ruhnnihng ahs rooht wihth no sahndbohxihng. < 1359124563 56319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh atrix < 1359124564 275611 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahtrihx ihs a brahnd ohf hahnd creahm. Noht to be cohnfuhsehd wihth ahtrihq. < 1359124989 270200 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359125129 142315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh sweden < 1359125130 702372 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swehdehn ihs the suhbuhrb cahpihtahl ohf Nohrway. Iht's whehre ahll the Nohbehl prihzehs ahre ahnnouhncehd, ehxcehpt the Mahth Prihze. < 1359125255 372397 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhy the whay, why arhe whe h-ing evherhythingh thodhay? < 1359125284 120043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oerjn is paying penance for /kickbanning me < 1359125304 966077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1359125316 752497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waht < 1359125320 519256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pehnahnce < 1359125331 126661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh parsley < 1359125332 688783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pahrsley? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359125335 721071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh. phenhanche. < 1359125430 631551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Parsley is a girl in the South Seas. < 1359125435 698567 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359125454 518750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1359125460 540830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Parsley is a princess? < 1359125468 609589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In der Südsee angekommen, treffen die drei auf das im Schachbrettmuster gefärbte Mädchen Petersilie (dessen Vater ein Stammeshäuptling, die Mutter allerdings Tippfräulein auf einer hiesigen Kokosflockenfarm ist) sowie ihren Vater Rabenaas, der mithilfe seines Taschenmessers, das er mit heißen Bratäpfeln zu laden pflegt, sogar Walfische (die bekanntlich Säugetiere sind und nur aus Versehen im Wasser leben) in die Flucht schlagen kann. ... < 1359125474 867047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Negro Kaballo lernt ein Schimmelfräulein kennen und beschließt, bei ihr zu bleiben und nie mehr zu sprechen. Daraufhin machen sich Ringelhuth und Konrad wieder auf den Heimweg und kommen mit Rabenaas’ Hilfe noch so rechtzeitig an, dass der Onkel den Nachtdienst in der Apotheke antreten und der Neffe seinen Aufsatz schreiben kann. Dieser wird von ersterem noch gelesen, als er Konrads Eltern besucht. Zwar halten ihn diese für ... < 1359125480 691600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... geisteskrank, da er freimütig von seinen Erlebnissen berichtet, doch ihn, den erfahrenen Weitgereisten, kümmert das nicht: Er weiß, was er erlebt hat. < 1359125484 111024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a Germanspeaker. < 1359125531 685659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Petersilie" looks similar to "Persille", which is the norwegian for "Parsley". < 1359125547 291479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1359125550 311840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359125563 387652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was translated to Petrozilya (parsley) in Hebrew. < 1359125734 908625 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Pasley is a girl in the South Seas. Persil est une demoiselle des Mers du Sud. < 1359125738 513650 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359125804 36721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did you just misple parsley < 1359125823 699336 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops. < 1359125836 113022 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Parsley is a girl in the South Seas. Persil est une demoiselle des Mers du Sud. < 1359125837 729622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERSILJA. < 1359125839 208533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359125839 691165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/pasley < 1359125842 409525 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359125843 372159 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1359125988 254921 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/I0MAPEk.png < 1359126087 717072 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359126112 648512 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359126708 534259 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359126728 322057 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359127545 34778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359128141 559088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Bike < 1359128142 766133 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bihke ihs frohm Luhxehmbouhrg. < 1359128173 605962 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh dal < 1359128175 51782 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dahl? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359128181 320987 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh irc.dal.net < 1359128182 843437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihrc.dahl.neht? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359128210 83777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo royal dal | h < 1359128211 320347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :royahl dahl < 1359128252 330340 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359128317 825007 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359129806 330205 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359129944 562484 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359130373 713036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo monoids < 1359130376 29944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imonoids < 1359131038 859571 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1359131490 299003 :AnotherTest!~user@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359132079 668305 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359133048 335666 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359133284 924988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids < 1359133286 52633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories. < 1359133595 434219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh monoids < 1359133597 172192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mohnoihds ahre the eahsy vehrsiohn ohf cahtehgohriehs. < 1359133724 856058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh shachaf < 1359133726 340677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shahchahf sprø sohm sehllehri < 1359133776 618860 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt ø a vowel? < 1359133798 545249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but the rule is vowel followed by a consonant. < 1359133809 561113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But if it *was* followed by a consonant, we'd be break the rule.) < 1359133837 68305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that the rule < 1359133847 260854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359133849 996647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cant vowels followed by spaces be h'd < 1359133867 907011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because spaces aren't consonants. < 1359133868 871902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1359133910 546433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. but what if we changed the rule so that spaces are consonants. is there anything ethically wrong with such a decision? < 1359133928 674222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't change the rule................................... < 1359133946 729569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules aren't meant to be changed. < 1359133948 417111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: Tell 'em! < 1359133953 93675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359133955 265895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1359133956 959424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1359133960 235507 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent you played nomic ? < 1359133970 237839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we added a new rule about vowels before spaces < 1359133975 417787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone liked it < 1359133986 691749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would we rip the fabric of the universe apart? < 1359135712 147299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza pie for breakfast time < 1359135735 462911 :AnotherTest!~user@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1359136038 925101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in approx 25 minutes < 1359136043 372389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So hungry < 1359136061 669619 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359136216 212996 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359136871 455027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a reference to Jamie Oliver's food revolution. He dispises anyone who eats pizza for breakfast. Any person being called a pizza breakfaster is being called a really mean name." < 1359136873 660623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1359136946 738046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh pizza < 1359136948 176364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pihzza? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359136981 84961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are better than jamie oliver < 1359136985 829200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Pizza is a kind of rhubarb pie made without rhubarb. < 1359136988 927894 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359137205 324865 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359138200 535726 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359138559 149222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food. I ingests it. < 1359138755 884055 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359139116 580361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the MIT Mystery Hunt had a puzzle called "Git Hub" < 1359139129 993991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it consisted of a Git repo whose branching structure forms a map of the Boston rapid transit network < 1359139147 788027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play? < 1359139153 476515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359139172 121673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the puzzle? < 1359139187 545626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, you had to match the station names to commit messages and diffs in some way < 1359139242 209304 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359139247 298170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to sleep in a moment. < 1359139251 47167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning, Bike. < 1359139255 745855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Bike < 1359139257 483027 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bihke ihs frohm Luhxehmbouhrg. < 1359139311 497412 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good function imo < 1359139316 332997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luhexhambouhrg < 1359139334 899823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme Bike < 1359139336 589474 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bihke: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359139352 288702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bork bork bork < 1359139404 342322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go make that link work < 1359139418 863271 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd have to register another domain name... < 1359139424 109377 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/?hh < 1359139424 870323 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? "$@" | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' < 1359139447 226112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was kidding. Not even sure of .ohrg is an existent TLD < 1359139449 760827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if < 1359139460 75945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running `h! wisdom/welcome gets you kickbanned from the channel. < 1359139463 483420 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he could register the new tld for just a few thousand fucks < 1359139479 623027 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bucks < 1359139484 54269 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucks would work too probably < 1359139511 558387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, now I'm curious < 1359139535 225719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output < 1359139541 382065 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359139547 56782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan HATES it when there's no output, I guess. < 1359139557 466125 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h! < 1359139558 431417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -i'' -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' "$1" < 1359139569 324323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1359139572 625327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome oerjan < 1359139574 168938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359139577 512055 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of quotation < 1359139589 378430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo......................................................................................................... < 1359139595 345729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I was assuming the output would be what was bad < 1359139615 351101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hahve dohne the uhnthihnkahble < 1359139628 15615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Didn't you learn from Racket? < 1359139652 432554 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :side effects are REAL sgeo. they are REAL and they want to hunt you down and HURT you < 1359139730 876621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1359140391 225189 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359140503 401774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote well he could register the new tld for just a few thousand fucks < 1359140506 905771 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :938) well he could register the new tld for just a few thousand fucks < 1359140552 323898 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359140665 297724 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :small price to pay < 1359141018 40493 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359141055 882090 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has left? nooooooooooooooooooo! < 1359141063 986298 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1359141066 299988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoopsie. < 1359141088 844472 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359141145 732530 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live the fungot! < 1359141146 696196 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: since there's no way to move it to -blah then, huh... < 1359141165 894975 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fungot just moved to -blah. < 1359141166 860036 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: alas, i am deformative, not deewiant. :p they claim that it's beautiful but certainly featureful. i agree that the world has agreed on not doing it if i was a little boy < 1359141183 872303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only we all were deewiant. Alas. < 1359141208 311461 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot was deformative all along?! < 1359141209 35669 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what way is call/ cc) ( call/ cc, by the way, scheme borrowed from algol more than some weeks or a couple more generations", seems rather cozy. < 1359141226 542122 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1359141227 990148 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359141240 439409 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/h// wisdom/welcome < 1359141243 518375 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359141246 984731 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1359141248 431777 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359141259 561962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359141261 47185 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1359141265 440339 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot a 'g' < 1359141266 966918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it's beehn h'd. < 1359141272 572767 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/h//g wisdom/welcome < 1359141275 718353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359141280 208406 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1359141281 658116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to te international ub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, ceck out our wiki: ttp://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For te oter kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359141286 996284 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect. < 1359141293 932102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best ub there is. < 1359141311 21443 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this ub, especially on Fridays. < 1359141378 678678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359141380 976595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there was a better way to fix it < 1359141381 194153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359141385 604183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides reversions < 1359141409 732033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just delete all h's between a vowel and a consonant. Imperfect but probably fewer repairs to do < 1359141439 203500 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1359141440 408967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359141446 132583 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok. < 1359141452 401525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1359141455 820821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359141459 328807 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359141463 54384 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359141466 456786 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1359141467 677720 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359141472 94814 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twats. < 1359141484 144934 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solution was better. < 1359141486 818183 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automated. < 1359141495 788953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | h | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])h([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1$2/ig' < 1359141497 604891 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359141500 284029 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ub is a saner hub. < 1359141503 669529 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359141509 12181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I think the unh works perfectly for that. < 1359141583 183889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/h < 1359141584 426509 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig < 1359141589 41385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '%s\n' '#!/usr/bin/perl -p' 's/([aeiouy])h([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1$2/ig' > bin/unh; chmod +x bin/unh # I'm sure we need all these < 1359141591 110049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359141625 85185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello there, dahl | h | h | h | unh | unh | unh < 1359141626 845188 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello there, dahl < 1359142382 206177 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359142633 441837 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359142805 910562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359142944 826147 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1359142945 102868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1359143597 297917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run echo royal dal | h <-- it's "roald" hth < 1359143657 828722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url ? < 1359143659 145342 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/? < 1359143665 57781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/? < 1359143666 199491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/? < 1359143702 339139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf :P < 1359143736 270444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/'?' | paste < 1359143740 264516 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16040 < 1359143750 546276 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatetoerjan hello there < 1359143754 685687 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/json", line 4, in \ data = json.loads(sys.stdin.read().decode('utf-8')) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/json/__init__.py", line 310, in loads \ return _default_decoder.decode(s) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/json/decoder.py", line 346, in decode \ obj, end < 1359143760 798771 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1359143777 430211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe url needs to do actual url escaping < 1359143781 271181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/url < 1359143782 807385 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/'"$1" \ else \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/' \ fi < 1359143795 215145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one do that, anyway < 1359143807 800064 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :running it through a cargoculted regex < 1359143820 473877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/translatefromto < 1359143821 474775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ TEXT="$1" \ FROM=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/ .*$//'` \ TEXT=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/^[^ ]* //'` \ TO=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/ .*$//'` \ TEXT=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/^[^ ]* //'` \ if [ "$FROM" = "auto" ] ; then FROM="" ; fi \ \ curl -e http://codu.org/ http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/language/translate \ \ --data-urlenco < 1359143841 793352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of something evil < 1359143843 141451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i think those use curl < 1359143857 519884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/google < 1359143858 767049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Google what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://google.com/search?q='"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 4 'Search Results' | \ tail -n 2 < 1359143864 577093 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dd if=/dev/zero of=bluh bs=1M < 1359143868 436037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :File size limit exceeded < 1359143875 518671 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1359143876 691570 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ bluh \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ korma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359143891 598428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l bluh < 1359143892 804840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1359143896 914557 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bluh < 1359143898 360187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 10485760 Jan 25 19:57 bluh < 1359143910 863478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1359143932 767007 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bluh < 1359143934 50357 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... < 1359143972 398331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to flood the filesystem with max-size files < 1359143987 9315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just annoying < 1359144002 165905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :please find a funnier abuse of the bot :) < 1359144025 67268 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "FreeFull" | cat - bluh < 1359144026 289537 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull \ ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... < 1359144031 857549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -l 'lynx|curl|wget' bin/* < 1359144033 63648 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1359144033 828490 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359144039 846262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359144071 663202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasepia_pfefferi is a weird cuttlefish < 1359144078 530213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -l 'curl' bin/* < 1359144079 542558 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -l 'lynx|curl|wget|nc|netcat' * -R < 1359144079 784446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/tclkit \ bin/translatefromto < 1359144088 828812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tiny (6cm), poisonous, and it walks on the ocean floor rather than swimming < 1359144089 633234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -P -l 'lynx|curl|wget' bin/* < 1359144091 315942 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/define \ bin/etymology \ bin/google \ bin/lua \ bin/luac \ bin/macro \ bin/tclkit \ bin/translatefromto \ bin/units < 1359144096 421269 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359144100 669054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/define < 1359144101 884573 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Define what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://google.com/search?q=define:'"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 3 'Definitions of' | \ head -n 4 | tail -n 3 < 1359144115 731255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/units < 1359144116 751354 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF...........>.....@.....@.......82.........@.8..@.(.%..................@.......@.....h.....h....... ............n.....nt.....nt.....Xk.............. ...................@......@.....D.......D....................n.....nt.....nt.....(.....................Qtd..................................................Rt < 1359144119 94553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359144136 861356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359144138 302410 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+ص.m4c$P1#DGE~@cts kk~ZI?Fw.Od~?0 #hY=,͚Gضevm.AE5|5ٯRf"XRY|,d37\A(EpVfvD;&񾕑L縸A^'dGAojI!/f]m6"aΌ}{ӮgNtauZc%-.x}k.G[^F?L‹C}!Б_뒤=r{l&'J < 1359144144 568233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amen < 1359144149 535140 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyyyyy < 1359144153 108901 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clap < 1359144169 660104 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it < 1359144180 918391 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you got it < 1359144194 889368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: aren't all cuttlefish weird? < 1359144223 725242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but this one is weird among cuttlefish < 1359144252 514984 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359144255 523532 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1359144280 391409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's a cuttlefish in unicode :/ < 1359144292 391705 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining cuttlefish below < 1359144330 428586 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐡 There is a blowfish < 1359144335 574574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1359144336 525370 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ bluh \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ korma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run \ run~ \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359144353 99974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious, is run write-protected? < 1359144359 353726 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l run < 1359144360 301765 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 35 Jan 25 20:04 run < 1359144365 285966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat run < 1359144366 346995 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\#!/bin/sh\necho -ne 'Mmm, pie!'\n < 1359144368 652432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm run < 1359144371 669535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359144380 441368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run test < 1359144381 629191 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359144387 919859 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo meow < 1359144389 150346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow < 1359144391 842601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems it's built in < 1359144403 432781 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the actual run is bin/run < 1359144408 287282 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/run < 1359144409 508101 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/run < 1359144417 552689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/run < 1359144419 11857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ bash -c "$@" < 1359144420 750978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/run < 1359144423 561325 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359144427 113770 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run test < 1359144427 331311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi < 1359144427 825413 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359144428 298884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359144433 652020 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built in. < 1359144445 906044 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find . -name run < 1359144449 848363 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./.hg/store/data/run < 1359144688 749267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so I learned how to use AES-NI < 1359144698 410139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to watch some Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex < 1359144731 930563 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Good work. < 1359144854 260314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my gf likes H+ (she does), does that suggest she'll like Ghost in the Shell? < 1359144897 57 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H+? < 1359144911 436978 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Decent chance. < 1359144971 238810 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grumbles < 1359144982 602568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin/*url* < 1359144983 607253 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin/*url*: No such file or directory < 1359144996 936668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin/*uni* < 1359144998 7075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin/*uni*: No such file or directory < 1359145056 148074 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: by the way, did you hear about the new ghost in the shell show? the major has pants this time. < 1359145127 935660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which python < 1359145129 142723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/opt/python27/bin/python < 1359145145 344702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1359145154 852109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which env < 1359145155 865677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/env < 1359145200 734364 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which run < 1359145201 941297 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359145222 633533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "import urllib; print urllib.quote('''http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/?''')" < 1359145224 497113 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http%3A//codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/%3F < 1359145245 909432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/url < 1359145247 117376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/'"$1" \ else \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/' \ fi < 1359145267 36217 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I heard. < 1359145281 442571 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: My girlfriend said something along the lines of "bullshit". < 1359145288 875854 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359145611 121606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch url < 1359145611 602545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `url' < 1359145620 682188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/url < 1359145625 629832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-25 20:27:04 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/url [223/223] -> "url" [1] < 1359145634 812084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod a+x url < 1359145637 603455 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359145644 928492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./url < 1359145646 547747 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/url", line 3, in \ arg = sys.argv(1) \ TypeError: 'list' object is not callable < 1359145729 728374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh so much for copying code from stackoverflow without checking if someone already pointed out it's buggy :P < 1359145769 38889 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359146081 109004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/fetch < 1359146082 73377 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/fetch: No such file or directory < 1359146137 803276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf undigitizable code? < 1359146262 609412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/url < 1359146265 73517 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-25 20:37:43 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/url [240/240] -> "url.1" [1] < 1359146279 522741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat url >bin/url < 1359146282 798947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359146286 523566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url < 1359146287 248038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 'url.1" < 1359146287 971078 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/url", line 3, in \ arg = sys.argv(1) \ TypeError: 'list' object is not callable < 1359146288 501276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1359146290 440854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359146295 143486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat url.1 >bin/url < 1359146298 466694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359146300 960876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url < 1359146302 408346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1359146309 900173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/? < 1359146311 377090 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http%3A//codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/%3F < 1359146367 978931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1359146390 104040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fsck's fake? < 1359146412 870832 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urlencoding is suffering < 1359146457 738383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/url < 1359146460 19039 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-25 20:40:58 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/url [233/233] -> "url.2" [1] < 1359146466 814415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat url.2 >bin/url < 1359146471 256350 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359146474 738942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/? < 1359146476 466258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/%3F < 1359146506 711459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trynottothinkaboutit trynottothinkaboutit < 1359146509 123055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1359146519 820534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test | paste < 1359146524 214441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32012 < 1359146534 26529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1359146535 828417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi < 1359146537 459911 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also don't think about how the tachikoma work physically, etc < 1359146559 785502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well python had a module for it, so it seemed the simplest clean solution < 1359146579 402362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to writing a regexp mess) < 1359146598 964657 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "If you're wondering how he eats or breathes, and other science facts, then repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, I should really just relax.'" < 1359146614 186229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it encoded also the : after http: which my browser didn't like, but fortunately it doesn't require a whole url. < 1359146620 801074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*after http < 1359146678 560563 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just encode the bit provided as an argument and append it to the unencoded prefix? < 1359146751 296116 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359146807 668475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's what i finally did < 1359146866 917325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls url* < 1359146868 122989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :url \ url.1 \ url.2 < 1359146873 940324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm url* < 1359146877 152980 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359146912 960666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers fixing url was yak shaving for something < 1359146972 191333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you changed ? to do ngevd implicitly? < 1359146980 315976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did nothing < 1359146982 422189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/ngevd < 1359146983 170312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/n* < 1359146983 468783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359146984 508535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/natural transformation \ wisdom/ngevd \ wisdom/nooga \ wisdom/nortti \ wisdom/norway < 1359146990 551043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1359146993 131987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -lh wisdom/ngevd < 1359146994 365397 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Jan 25 13:21 wisdom/ngevd < 1359146997 633777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's stupid & someone should revert it < 1359147035 972892 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? norway < 1359147037 135784 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359147037 386096 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. < 1359147038 315811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​9VHƀ`JjAM<9|OO7;τ1:k47j .|YmA=H_F~ $izf䫴uj!!.#Mc? n\=M-fOHOV}L9KH#ɵyzXq:c77 ͜؍K \ :^'88eH]#w$K/POd&'Jg@lz\HV#yNUW9 "q" [1] < 1359147740 874249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod a+x q < 1359147743 912317 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359147755 589233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./q elliott < 1359147757 51205 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[: 4: missing ] \ [: 4: missing ] \ elliott? ��\(��_o)/�� < 1359147766 534071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sigh < 1359147789 471910 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. < 1359147790 99312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. < 1359147796 493151 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. >wisdom/ngevd < 1359147797 583010 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. >wisdom/ngevd < 1359147810 570579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what is the point of this. < 1359147815 646391 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to get rid of the yuck < 1359147819 764709 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359147821 285623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4,y:Gu]~ < 1359147828 493018 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359147843 501065 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was the first available text < 1359147924 626089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/q < 1359147927 242338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-25 21:05:25 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/q [338/338] -> "q.1" [1] < 1359147936 453562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat q.1 >q < 1359147939 530014 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359147943 389473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./q elliott < 1359147945 545032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? \ elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1359147950 605644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1359147962 958035 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1359147964 244851 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1359147971 891505 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ./q < 1359147972 982135 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ ([ \( "$topic" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e wisdom/ngevd \) ] && cat /dev/urandom && exit 0; ) || [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] && cat "wisdom/$topic" || [ -e "wisdom/$topic1" ] && cat "wisdom/$topic1" || { echo "$1? ��\(��_o)/��"; exit 1; } < 1359147985 793589 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`q < 1359147987 174607 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: q: not found < 1359147993 607552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY NO PEEKING < 1359148017 522182 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn $1? ��\(��_o)/�� < 1359148021 419669 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359148047 974851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: one tweet and yet this account still doesn't exist < 1359148096 182372 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `learn < 1359148097 383938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`learn? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359148099 917754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are the dubs considered acceptable for Ghost in the Shell? < 1359148111 769092 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard they're good. < 1359148112 13584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, these episodes have seemed.... emotionless < 1359148124 421100 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch dubs though. < 1359148141 304383 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be so blasé about it < 1359148154 591424 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the dub was considered okay, but I preferred the japanese < 1359148163 571501 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the series really kicks into high gear around episode 4, where the story gets moving < 1359148273 276435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/q < 1359148275 708344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-25 21:11:14 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/q [352/352] -> "q.2" [1] < 1359148281 800937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat q.2 >q < 1359148285 343679 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359148286 677983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./q elliott < 1359148288 196905 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1359148291 135870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./q elliotts < 1359148292 876456 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1359148296 418781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally. < 1359148306 379244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv q bin/'?' < 1359148308 991220 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359148333 580984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this q is about 0.1x as cool < 1359148342 293685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1359148355 249038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if a thing is different from the plural of a thing!! < 1359148359 145005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's lots you can write about ngevds < 1359148363 948800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just complaining though < 1359148366 234637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what i do < 1359148424 458933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um it will only use the singular if the plural doesn't exist. although i see a different problem... < 1359148479 936428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*s < 1359148481 244498 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/devious \ wisdom/d-modules \ wisdom/finns \ wisdom/friends \ wisdom/lens \ wisdom/maths \ wisdom/monads \ wisdom/monoids \ wisdom/oceans \ wisdom/the us \ wisdom/united states < 1359148485 935957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids < 1359148487 642453 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories. < 1359148487 884281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1359148490 248588 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1359148492 831076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1359148521 284639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, in the middle of episode 2, now it's starting to hold my interest < 1359148598 532449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord < 1359148600 37609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord? ��\(��_o)/�� < 1359148648 733394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit there's a south dakota? < 1359148744 471201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise the smiley is messed up btw < 1359148771 188353 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet still no East Virginia. < 1359148932 289256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help me write a few more < 1359148949 911405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, i forgot to fix the hg raw view's encoding before cutting and pasting < 1359148966 752847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/q < 1359148969 939366 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-25 21:22:48 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/q [364/364] -> "q" [1] < 1359148977 419579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think i have seen like one episode of seinfeld in my life < 1359148982 580749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not sure whether this makes me more or less qualified < 1359149000 44129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm could be problematic < 1359149015 559582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat q >bin/'?' < 1359149018 760739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359149026 654674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliotts < 1359149027 655590 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1359149033 124661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord < 1359149034 587996 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359149046 658242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnords < 1359149047 382444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1359149047 864022 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnords? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359149072 407548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"George's new language is just Lisp with new syntax; he hopes nobody notices. Kramer gets kicked out of a talk by Rich Hickey." < 1359149077 774567 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh fnords < 1359149079 246980 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/?hh: line 1: q: command not found < 1359149087 740691 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1359149092 580622 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1359149103 293514 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1359149103 510762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1359149111 999497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls q* < 1359149113 244800 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :q \ q.1 \ q.2 \ quotes \ quotese \ \ quines: \ cat \ perl \ python \ ruby < 1359149115 177699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i get 1'd < 1359149130 979125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm q{,.1,.2} < 1359149134 172347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359149151 280419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo look to esolangs for inspiration < 1359149347 858624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/?hh < 1359149349 62983 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? "$@" | perl -pe 's/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig' < 1359149375 763090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh monads < 1359149377 451391 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mohnahds ahre juhst mohnoihds ihn the cahtehgohry ohf ehndohfuhnctohrs. < 1359149382 229826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1359149383 677378 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads < 1359149392 117289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1359149403 505138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/monads wisdom/monad < 1359149406 483463 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359149411 389988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1359149412 362739 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seinfeld discovers a Brainfuck derivative that's supposed to look like one of his standup routines. George dates an APL programmer. (I have never seen seinfeld) < 1359149412 845315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359149414 300750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naruto makes me laugh. GitS doesn't make me laugh. < 1359149430 791647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*s < 1359149431 855035 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/devious \ wisdom/d-modules \ wisdom/finns \ wisdom/friends \ wisdom/lens \ wisdom/maths \ wisdom/monoids \ wisdom/oceans \ wisdom/the us \ wisdom/united states < 1359149441 578647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359149443 93654 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359149445 74592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1359149446 522042 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359149456 481271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/d-modules < 1359149459 105217 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359149462 272802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1359149463 856206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359149472 112355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finn < 1359149473 456558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :finn? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359149495 55096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/finns wisdom/finn < 1359149498 79564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359149517 802445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? friend < 1359149519 80079 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359149522 252373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? friends < 1359149523 835550 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friends make graphs together / La la la la < 1359149552 18153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1359149701 620799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be enough for now. < 1359149768 245256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "The U are a very mad people." >wisdom/'the u' < 1359149771 190066 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359149792 894978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it somehow seemed to fit < 1359149983 257067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rhubarb < 1359149984 704733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhubarb? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359149988 290884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb, rhubarb: rhubarb rhubarb? Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb rhubarb. < 1359149991 736559 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359150153 840896 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1359150154 332332 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359150220 153426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*Sgeo@*.dyn.optonline.net > 1359150220 175734 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359150220 371554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Sgeo :I'm sorry but this is apparently policy. < 1359150222 635058 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!" < 1359150229 55937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*Sgeo@*.dyn.optonline.net > 1359150229 78338 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359150234 934461 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359150237 663182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1359150237 685835 NAMES :#esoteric < 1359150254 16609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the policy is to kickban Sgeo? < 1359150257 5012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /knockout command seems nice < 1359150257 221445 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oerjan logreading < 1359150260 952536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yep < 1359150268 226081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Running `h! wisdom/welcome gets you kickbanned from the channel. < 1359150269 229749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for having bad opinions about anime or...? < 1359150272 608529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1359150288 178162 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh is that what happened to welcome < 1359150300 487164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh h! mutates in place? < 1359150346 797021 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359150354 273041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tempted to remove h! as i cannot quite see a non-obnoxious use < 1359150364 73452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt the earth < 1359150403 898626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | paste < 1359150408 555291 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19256 < 1359150425 452899 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phantom____________________hoover < 1359150426 894822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Your soundcard works perfectly. < 1359150440 660064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1359150445 765479 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phantom__________hoover < 1359150447 809598 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you got me there. < 1359150467 358995 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359150468 844002 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends.? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359150474 187477 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1359150482 330638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no f idea < 1359150488 577262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has perfectly cromulent opinions about anime. < 1359150490 342973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359150491 320916 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends.: No such file or directory < 1359150498 60811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand < 1359150500 771169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/shachaf* < 1359150501 762775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/shachaf*: No such file or directory < 1359150502 763225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/shachaf* < 1359150503 971638 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri \ shachaf spr som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1359150512 526414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality entry < 1359150515 186392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's keep it < 1359150536 892222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what. < 1359150540 134459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1359150541 450830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri < 1359150561 190886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/shachaf* < 1359150562 635008 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shachaf \ wisdom/shachaf som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359150575 595725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1359150598 414355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an encoding mismatch < 1359150608 298348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1359150612 214551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful as it is < 1359150619 129323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1359150627 668450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :embrace nonsense, oerjan < 1359150631 114809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best thing there is < 1359150695 536268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/{shachaf*,ø} < 1359150696 725540 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ø \ wisdom/shachaf \ wisdom/shachaf som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359150711 609227 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1359150712 362205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; mv shachaf*. shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359150712 885863 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359150713 622192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: target `weekends.' is not a directory < 1359150721 95743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1359150729 356936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; mv shachaf*. "shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends." < 1359150732 810911 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: target `shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends.' is not a directory < 1359150753 153923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls shachaf*. < 1359150753 914102 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access shachaf*.: No such file or directory < 1359150759 555559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/shachaf*. < 1359150760 520376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. \ wisdom/shachaf som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359150771 317777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1359150782 10130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ do it in a query < 1359150788 389422 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359150803 548563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachafø som selleri and cosplays nepeta leijon on weekends. < 1359150804 994906 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf spr som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1359150817 325067 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 8 < 1359150818 329139 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? < 1359150873 30214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i am pretty sure that entry is actually meant to be called "shachaf" < 1359150884 124963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FANCY < 1359150942 528581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/shachaf?* < 1359150946 155986 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359150953 401933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1359150956 880660 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359150968 331571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1359150969 818865 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1359151093 970718 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1359151286 372114 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359151429 385711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"George learns Ruby just to prove he isn't old. Kramer passes off Bob Sacamano's opinions about Haskell as his own." < 1359151607 830710 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1359151609 37365 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ bluh \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ korma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run~ \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359151612 317042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bluh < 1359151615 517647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359151685 505563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359151736 280354 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :korma? o_O < 1359151738 945884 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls korma < 1359151740 153685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359151745 592265 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -dh korma < 1359151746 389629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :korma < 1359151754 346276 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -dl korma < 1359151755 608919 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 4096 Jan 24 12:51 korma < 1359151757 617052 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo. < 1359151766 862174 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1359151767 866007 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ korma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run~ \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359151833 349598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some Canadians in here (coppro?) might know if the Canadian law includes the calculation for Easter? < 1359151943 372909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter and Good Friday are already statutory holidays but if they are without having a calculation as the part of the Canadian laws, then we don't have separation of church and state, and I think separation of church and state is a good idea. < 1359152040 642969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file korma < 1359152041 757167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :korma: directory < 1359152053 745248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls korma < 1359152054 708997 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359152060 568976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1359152064 991454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you think that saying "easter is whenever the church calendar says it is" is showing a preference to that religion? < 1359152099 582940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes. Including a calculation in the Canadian law, which happens to result in the same days all the time, though, is better I think. < 1359152108 731531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that including in the same law "ramadan is whenever the church calendar says it is" makes the government partial to two relgions? < 1359152133 153776 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the core problem be having a religious holiday be government-recognized at all < 1359152145 780016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church calendar says nothing about ramadan hth < 1359152153 875232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it only matters if ramadan (or some holiday calculated from it like eid) is a civil holiday too < 1359152156 819836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i know, it was an example < 1359152158 745097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which easter is < 1359152170 674129 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hypothetical < 1359152174 776963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it may be a religious holiday, it is in this case, a statutory holiday rather than a religious one, even if it happens to be on the same date. < 1359152188 989294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And being on the same date I think is not a bad idea, though) < 1359152201 211092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since different churches do not agree on when easter is, if canadian law does not specify the calculation, it might have to say which church is right < 1359152208 103823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theres no issue with having a secular holiday on the same date as a religious one < 1359152217 346220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, christmas is already this way < 1359152223 190307 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how lee-jackson day just happened to be on the same day as the federally recognized martin luther king day < 1359152236 982881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the Roman church rather than the Orthodox one I think < 1359152239 22253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah wtf < 1359152249 724082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow < 1359152250 992275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, but Christmas is always on December 25 so that is easier! < 1359152253 966469 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still pissed at Virginia, can you tell < 1359152254 463706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes but christmas is just specified in law as Dec 25, isn't it? < 1359152255 714941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, i dont think it should be a problem, since easter is on sunday, which is already not a work day < 1359152255 931908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1983, the holiday was merged with the new federal holiday Martin Luther King, Jr. Day as Lee-Jackson-King Day in Virginia. This merge was reverted in 2000. < 1359152270 289745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is delegating to the church the decision over when exactly the civil holiday is < 1359152277 167459 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ident < 1359152278 661784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `ident' < 1359152280 838088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that is precisel < 1359152285 479026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that is precisely what I meant. < 1359152312 535671 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know about this because the colbert report mentioned the republicans in the virginia legislature gerrymandering on mlk day, and then going to recess "to honor Jackson" or suchlike < 1359152316 919304 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Language.ident < 1359152318 850477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Language.ident' < 1359152322 600525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in Canada the Friday before (Western) Easter is a civil holiday < 1359152333 631713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but what if the law says simply "the civil holiday will fall on the day given by the calculation that church x used in the year this was passed into law" < 1359152338 971886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the church isnt deciding < 1359152349 13568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rule for picking the day isnt explicitly in the law < 1359152349 683357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then that would be an affirmative answer to zzo38's original question < 1359152353 888000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle ident < 1359152354 105364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Read.Lex Ident :: String -> Lexeme < 1359152354 105540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Read Ident :: String -> Lexeme < 1359152354 105646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Identity module Control.Monad.Identity < 1359152359 512284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of whether the Canadian law includes the calculation for Easter < 1359152363 672939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can include by reference < 1359152365 606356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: what's that supposed to do? < 1359152371 829485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is the days it is, I think it should remain that way (chainging it would mess up things), but I also think that the law should copy the calculation used to determine when the day is, or use an equivalent one, rather than delegating it to the church, even if the past reference. < 1359152386 162555 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops; i meant identifier :( < 1359152389 782438 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t identifier < 1359152391 465150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `identifier' < 1359152400 41664 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe in you tromp < 1359152411 493802 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is simply defined as "Easter Monday" < 1359152431 858222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle identifier < 1359152432 76110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Token identifier :: GenTokenParser s u m -> ParsecT s u m String < 1359152432 76297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Token identifier :: GenTokenParser s u m -> ParsecT s u m String < 1359152432 76460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Html identifier :: String -> HtmlAttr < 1359152449 410412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lambdabot imports Parsec stuff < 1359152475 924887 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelatedly, aaronson thinks quantum computers will mostly be used for simulating quantum physics. huh < 1359152480 190014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of a court case where the US Supreme Court decided that it was unlawful for the City of Cambridge to give churches the right to veto liquor licenses in their area, even though the City would be allowed to veto such licenses unconditionally < 1359152515 864933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the City can solicit non-binding advice from neighbors too, but I don't know exactly where the line is drawn < 1359152518 276357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: does that really count as a simulation :P < 1359152519 244581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: huh < 1359152523 137953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1359152524 410531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1359152529 399449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :metacircular evaluator for quantum physics < 1359152556 150922 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i simulate moniac on moniac does it really count as simulation, or just sloshing a bunch of water around masturbatorially? < 1359152561 279224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use a computer made of relays to simulate a ball rolling down a hill < 1359152567 458505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical mechanics simulating classical mechanics < 1359152570 841138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a simulation < 1359152590 213793 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he has a picture from Spy vs Spy on his slides < 1359152591 237285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but when it gets to using the ~quantum essence~ to simulate the ~quantum parts~ then that seems sort of close to just using eval < 1359152594 643702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer < 1359152595 126820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing < 1359152596 91150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quantum computer might use states of trapped ions or whatever to simulate some totally unrelated quantum system < 1359152597 59486 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good representation of the crypto community imo < 1359152612 675271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. anything < 1359152634 761506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can we use one to make http://qntm.org/responsibility come true < 1359152634 979073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: And that is what I am opposed to; I would like to propose a law which includes the calculation for Easter, to avoid this. Simply defining it as "Easter Monday" without saying what that means, is also ambiguous, too, anyways. (There are more than one way to calculate Easter which results in the same thing, so you don't necessarily have to use the same one the Church does, to arrive at the same result) < 1359152643 747239 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, simulating quantum physics means you need a shitload of complex reals. that's just way easier with qubits than with bits (or "Bits Classic(TM)") < 1359152652 351207 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359152652 567831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some strange holidays in japan < 1359152666 806731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abandon easter altogether < 1359152676 419385 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think we'd need a CTC for that < 1359152694 847505 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, that only just makes NP-complete problems easy, not turing-complete ones < 1359152696 538137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that computer is logically inconsistent, isn't it < 1359152704 957701 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have a holiday on the first monday of april or something < 1359152721 61050 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: logical trivialism is the future bro < 1359152722 62725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I do not think we should change the holidays like that. < 1359152728 277442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has proven that you can use qunatum computers to solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time < 1359152731 992009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1359152738 362892 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: with a CTC, I mean, not just quantum < 1359152739 95114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still, if I did want to change the holidays, I would rather change them to the solstices and equinoxes) < 1359152742 562388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359152746 230965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about those < 1359152752 856298 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hasn't the converse of that been proven < 1359152757 590201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that doesn't matter < 1359152763 222438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what matters is getting people in #esoteric to read more sam hughes < 1359152768 684839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :converse? < 1359152770 613939 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a good thing to matter. < 1359152772 855349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: speaking of which did you read fine structure < 1359152777 64246 :impomatic!~digital_w@187.120.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359152778 672395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the converse of an equality < 1359152780 258746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1359152785 277984 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: errrrr the negation? that quantum computers can't solve NP-complete problems in P-time < 1359152785 771839 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inequality? < 1359152789 213953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got someone to read fine structure a while back < 1359152791 778929 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coequality? < 1359152795 977329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay up, sam < 1359152799 919010 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm shit at logic man :( < 1359152801 646900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's true < 1359152805 436518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would imply P != NP < 1359152812 266297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would? < 1359152818 124528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BQP is a superset of P < 1359152822 527653 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well then. < 1359152825 955290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1359152831 163449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it is not proved, but it is believed to be true < 1359152833 613441 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying "quantum computers can't solve NP-complete problems in P time" is saying BQP != NP < 1359152838 791207 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sorry, that's what I meant < 1359152839 514945 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum computers might be able to solve NP-complete problems in P-time, but just as much as classical computers? < 1359152844 372680 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i am watching this: http://videolectures.net/nips2012_aaronson_quantum_information/ < 1359152846 749169 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's true either? < 1359152854 282397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: sure, if P = NP then that's the case < 1359152855 333256 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's possible for BQP = NP but P != BQP < 1359152855 815824 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really about complexity < 1359152858 383335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo you suck < 1359152861 917921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1359152865 565795 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the key word is might < 1359152870 217457 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just aaronson explaining quantum computing to machine learning nerds and by extension me < 1359152912 626754 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A QC has factored 21 into 3×7, with high probability" < 1359152915 908958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think it might also be possible for P = NP but P != BQP < 1359152922 890592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo yes < 1359152927 792785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1359152943 811399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how oculd that be? I thought BQP >= P < 1359152954 426745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BQP_complexity_class_diagram.svg < 1359152957 143806 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BQP is a superset of P but not necessarily a proper superest? < 1359152959 70520 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :superset* < 1359152959 313148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not necessarily BQP <= NP < 1359152964 177144 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1359152972 878298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if P = NP, then that means BQP >= NP < 1359152983 368646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since BQP cnotains P.. < 1359152985 25973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1359152988 165279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of these fit between P and PSPACE, which are not known to be unequal < 1359152990 153824 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like a small animal dies every time you notate set relations like that < 1359152998 49181 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, my keyboard doen't have set icons on it okay :< < 1359153005 92057 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither i'm just a jerk < 1359153011 950157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least use <=/=> < 1359153017 647721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1359153018 855787 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that sucks < 1359153019 340224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid < 1359153044 250828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm using >= as superset, == as equivalent, <= as subset < 1359153051 215047 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359153055 722543 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson also says the "prevailing belief" is that NP is not a subset of BQP, so < 1359153062 62633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I like: <= on booleans is implication < 1359153064 561868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes notated => < 1359153069 804628 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you elliott < 1359153074 309478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: :) < 1359153081 103301 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate < 1359153087 904920 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with "->" :( < 1359153089 841603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (<=) <$> [False, True] <*> [False, True] < 1359153090 59000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, I figure that too < 1359153091 322317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,True,False,True] < 1359153099 799772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you have to notate limits < 1359153102 733505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and functions < 1359153124 528613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo the solution is to use -> as a comparison operator for all data < 1359153126 544260 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck are you doing that you need to notate function types, limits, and prop logic at the same time < 1359153127 142122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning <= < 1359153131 734084 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can i get in on it < 1359153147 733653 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this is that homomorphic type theory mumbojumbo, innit < 1359153156 493980 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr homotopy. < 1359153173 321413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is < 1359153183 18175 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nonsense i just said < 1359153197 212991 :derk_!~derk@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359153212 749536 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he mentions grover's algorithm again. that shit is so crazy. craaaaazy < 1359153214 518985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use /= for logical XOR in Haskell. < 1359153215 967284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew what homotopy type theory was all about < 1359153233 176492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: something involving curry-howard and CPO denotational semantics, i bet < 1359153240 642336 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrifying < 1359153270 429032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know < 1359153289 941711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is i assume it's totally divorced from what homotopy originally meant < 1359153303 419392 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah they're all about that homotopy shit < 1359153305 867501 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all up in it < 1359153379 515366 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On some fitness landscapes, the adiabatic algorithm can reach a global minimum exponentially faster than classical simulated annealing. But on other landscapes, it does the same or even worse." :( < 1359153408 880081 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359153434 691003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In mathematical logic and computer science, homotopy type theory (HoTT) attempts to give an account of the semantics of intensional type theory using the framework of (abstract) homotopy theory, in particular Quillen model categories and weak factorization systems. Conversely, intensional type theory forms a logic (internal language) for homotopy theory. < 1359153446 915359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Homotopy Type Theory refers to a new interpretation of Martin-Löf’s system of intensional, constructive type theory into abstract homotopy theory. Propositional equality is interpreted as homotopy and type isomorphism as homotopy equivalence. Logical constructions in type theory then correspond to homotopy-invariant constructions on spaces, while theorems and even proofs in the logical system inherit a homotopical meaning. As th < 1359153454 454668 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1359153618 713664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: seriously if you figure out what it means < 1359153619 662452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know < 1359153654 662505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uh < 1359153685 495795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffice to say that categories are probably involved < 1359153707 206310 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1359153732 858210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my paste mentioned category theory in the bit that got cut off in fact < 1359153763 578225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't homotopy the original motivation for category theory < 1359153795 830983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359153799 291927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was homology < 1359153830 524566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is it homology or homotopy that's relatively easy to understand < 1359153858 43159 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359153886 221214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that branch of mathematics that's named after some tropical location < 1359153889 313534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no good reason < 1359153899 440675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1359153922 358853 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this presentation has sadly little to do with neuroscience :( < 1359153958 508703 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he's talking about quantum DRM < 1359153966 291652 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't worry, it's not going to be practical for a long time" < 1359153981 652601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what am i thinking of < 1359153982 671659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you too < 1359153999 869997 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott we all know you have a bad track record with small islands < 1359154042 772156 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there he's talking about biology. forty goddamn minutes in < 1359154080 750901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you mean the best track record < 1359154094 974005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: do you know <-- would i bet if i knew < 1359154236 850897 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i google "mathematics tropic island" i get a bunch of "adventure time" stuff. < 1359154424 269750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think homotopy is relatively easy to get the basic definitions, but iiuc it gets even worse than homology when you want to prove things. although homology is also homotopy-invariant. < 1359154465 495855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maybe it wasn't named after an island < 1359154475 635303 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my friends in the singularity movement" NOOOOO < 1359154510 462690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible to have a mystery when you don't know what sort of technology can exist < 1359154518 137908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mystery story < 1359154520 668113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THE MYSTERY < 1359154536 183855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way for people to guess what sort of unintroduced technology could be behind it < 1359154565 60712 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well given how mathematics has mostly been white europeans for the last few centuries i'm not sure why they'd name something after a large nation and not just their vacation spot, i guess :/ < 1359154595 104940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think it might have literally been named after the beach whoever it was came up with it on or something < 1359154596 281914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote singularitarians < 1359154597 824059 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :690) I had a dream last night where I got hit by a van but the van had a brain uploader in it and I was uploaded and I angsted because I was stuck spending eternity with singularitarians? < 1359154599 13197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh this is going to drive me crazy < 1359154606 820490 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's pretty great < 1359154619 402622 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thanks, my nightmares weren't bad enough < 1359154649 323731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok does wikipedia have a list of fields of mathematics < 1359154653 317968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do this < 1359154665 514076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was honestly worse than the dream where there was a nuclear war when we were driving to ireland so we drove to some dreary fallout shelter. < 1359154670 820726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1359154671 786775 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_mathematics_topics < 1359154672 269110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many < 1359154686 114905 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shut the fuck up mathematicians, i'm trying to find your goddamn beach!" < 1359154686 357391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I looked up the world map on Wikipedia and all the continents were cut up < 1359154692 8838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics can, broadly speaking, be subdivided into the study of quantity, structure, space, and change (i.e. arithmetic, algebra, geometry, and analysis). < 1359154697 115397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1359154701 944788 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty fuckin broad < 1359154702 944538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems a bit... woefully incomplete < 1359154707 588491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359154717 802873 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess CS would go under arithmetic < 1359154718 19753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-parenthesised list is hopelessly vague < 1359154721 952940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parenthesised one seems hopelessly limited < 1359154729 611234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like where do foundations even go in there < 1359154736 241947 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra probably? < 1359154740 180239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can argue for mathematics only being a subset of logic < 1359154747 277896 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you're a jerk < 1359154779 701546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't get what the focus of study is. < 1359154787 726922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well I like doing that because it lets you slot CS in!! < 1359154803 426363 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is CS even really part of logic in any meaningful sense < 1359154811 825599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in "the hierarchy" < 1359154816 84812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's kind of all over the place so it doesn't work < 1359154819 301001 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already hate this idea < 1359154832 763475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia article for mathematics does not contain the string "type theory". clearly injustice < 1359154838 931254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics (from Greek μάθημα máthēma, "knowledge, study, learning") is the abstract study of topics encompassing quantity,[2] structure,[3] space,[2] change,[4][5] and other properties;[6] it has no generally accepted definition.[7][8] < 1359154839 169013 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fight the mathiarchy < 1359154846 920541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a fairly convincing article I read a while ago arguing that the thing that mathematicians actually do is basically a science. < 1359154847 402791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what is mathematics?" "well nobody knows" < 1359154852 232516 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are birds < 1359154865 307134 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is "science" very well defined......... < 1359154868 68054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep-cover dinosaurs < 1359154872 277903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia is surer of what art is than mathematics < 1359154875 217290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1359154878 149241 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anything well-defined?? < 1359154905 201626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Art-portrait-collage_2.jpg pictured: art < 1359154926 700156 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as broad as you could hope for, really < 1359154933 959146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, is well-defined well-defined. < 1359154953 781638 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe throw in something abstract, like that thing at the nearby museum that's literally a featureless black cube made of fiberglass and foam. < 1359154993 334595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dog in the bottom-left looks totes miserable < 1359154995 494129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know it's not a dog) < 1359154996 941432 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the questions is "do you think you'd need real random numbers and not just a PRNG to make an AI". X_X < 1359155001 402860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really relevant but ianucci: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InD_IGwkXiE < 1359155010 857258 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you're blowing my mind here, man. < 1359155038 715668 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is a machine learning specialist. why are you saying this. you are better than this. < 1359155056 692550 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the answer involves futurama < 1359155058 777718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he? < 1359155059 406573 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecture redeemed < 1359155071 325634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought he was just the writer of i'm alan partridge and the thick of it < 1359155135 739259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget Time Trumpet < 1359155162 424516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Veep (which is a bit like a US remake of TToI) < 1359155187 571721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly i have never seen ttoi or alan partridge < 1359155195 593727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359155198 302616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see TToI < 1359155221 935306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said i liked ianucci to a guy i know and he was like "wait you haven't seen the thick of it? but you're scottish!" < 1359155271 439062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stt.hs:81:12: < 1359155271 699739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `liftF' < 1359155271 699831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `Control.Monad.Free.liftF', < 1359155271 699877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from `Control.Monad.Free' at stt.hs:20:1-25 < 1359155274 430695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : or `Control.Monad.Trans.Free.liftF', < 1359155276 901093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from `Control.Monad.Trans.Free' at stt.hs:21:1-31 < 1359155279 893749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuugh < 1359155289 565606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Trans.Fat.Free < 1359155415 137245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @remember kmc Control.Monad.Trans.Fat.Free < 1359155419 790322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember kmc Control.Monad.Trans.Fat.Free < 1359155420 7317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. < 1359155549 695003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Control.Monad < 1359155549 956450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EvilTerran says: if three of those lines aren't import Control.Monad; import Control.Arrow; import Control.Applicative;, you can make it shorter ;] < 1359155577 690096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phooeyT < 1359155577 907496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: Monad m => < 1359155577 907613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((f (FreeT f m c) -> m c) -> FreeT f m c -> m c) < 1359155577 907660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> f (FreeT f m c) -> m c) < 1359155577 907705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> FreeT f m c -> m c < 1359155580 187703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help < 1359155632 368740 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359156157 872425 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359156360 879910 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359156478 96347 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359157335 48864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I likely to get confused if I alternate between two animes every episode? < 1359157342 447735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one episode of Naruto one of GitS etc? < 1359157375 470523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes its due to the fundamental propertys of anime < 1359157409 17928 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you'll run into decoherence issues < 1359157464 27994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching more than 1 episodic tv series simultaneously? madness, i say < 1359157507 551684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no its just anime < 1359157548 551517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but animes are mad < 1359157575 600449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all tentacles and children, i hear < 1359157635 944568 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey sometimes people explode into blood and/or robots < 1359157859 779812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :robots made of blood? < 1359157938 66326 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, people made of robots. < 1359158013 487137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blood? < 1359158017 999617 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1359158077 724217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tentacled children, check < 1359158111 426805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tentacled robot children exploding, check < 1359158212 699349 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359158241 204313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, tentacled robots exploding children. we're maximizing squick here. < 1359158259 811176 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude i loved evangelion!! < 1359158293 39616 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359158305 205819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just accurately described that, didn't i. < 1359158334 429592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should watch some of this anime thing sometime < 1359158342 656149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that would be giving ground to elliott < 1359158383 207720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SNP would kill you < 1359158391 938083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english invention of "anime" < 1359158476 462078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What were you doing with it? < 1359158562 170523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids monoids monoids < 1359158566 310589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy i can hardly stand it < 1359158568 608334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, look i'm not going to let you off with not watching farscape < 1359158589 812328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :farscape is on my list man < 1359158593 942138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I've seen like 3 epsiodes < 1359158596 1651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't shoot me < 1359158599 423136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a fearful english pansy < 1359158663 113729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 episodes?? the second 2 are so naff! < 1359158677 874862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they were like half way through < 1359158681 187020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a fact and that's a fact and that's a fact and that's a fact < 1359158682 875274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the last ones or something < 1359158703 916286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god you can't just watch halfway through! < 1359158713 647011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a fact < 1359158735 689310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi < 1359158739 133528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it was on tv ok < 1359158742 110331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I had nothing better to watch < 1359158758 860305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1359158766 879603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi. And that's a fact. < 1359158800 187402 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghost in the Shell is getting to me < 1359158810 879052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1359158818 799932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be one of those langford things < 1359158819 16797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee hee. glad you're enjoying it ^^ < 1359158881 141861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 separate characters have said "and that's a fact" in maybe 5 (or fewer) narrative minutes. < 1359158897 749176 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are you watching GitS or Brass Eye < 1359158906 91669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghost in the Shell < 1359158933 105359 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. there should be a brass eye special set in wherever gits was. < 1359158939 281634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh shachaf < 1359158944 633673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shahchahf sprø sohm sehllehri ahnd cohsplayhs Nehpehta Leihjohn ohn weehkehnds. < 1359158957 826446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I pet a lion on weekends instead? < 1359158958 859709 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nehpehta < 1359158966 458486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: with what < 1359158975 607431 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his cosplay'd paw < 1359158988 221225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paw? < 1359158997 269113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought all those people didn't have hands or any hand-alikes. < 1359159033 770644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hands are _so_ last evolutionary stage < 1359159035 459547 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :her name's Leijon, she's probably a lion. < 1359159172 650649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about the spidermouthed one? < 1359159278 368530 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359159397 127293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoosh paps Phantom_Hoover  < 1359159417 55511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off me you weirdo < 1359159454 243714 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < *ac pounces on sgeo* < 1359159727 348379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Hey now! < 1359159745 939254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your own personoid thing. < 1359159784 598373 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf is the Nepeta here, Fiora. You'll have to be Eridan. < 1359159794 895345 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, gamzee's your symbol, right < 1359159811 522674 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < *ac is pawsitively upset that someone has tailken her identity* < 1359159841 384266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody furriners < 1359159851 643120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < i will not be eridan!! he is supurr cr33py and makes me uncomfurtable to be near him! < 1359159873 267189 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, but rules are rules. < 1359159938 396977 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < could you help meowt here and change them? < 1359159964 110689 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qdbformat < 1359159965 940537 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: qdbformat: not found < 1359159970 523141 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat < 1359159971 728270 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two < 1359159998 930417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1359160000 590463 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ if [ \( "$topic" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e wisdom/ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; exit 0; \ elif [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ]; \ then cat "wisdom/$topic"; \ elif [ -e "wisdom/$topic1" ]; \ then cat "wisdom/$topic1"; \ else ec < 1359160068 489517 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359160070 153299 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^՟`) l~uN>6K'a6ED W< 2]1y8/!'U@ܓgǚ_4W >؏)jg"uw% x7Ft`.-80hG0 3ۚ/SU!X \ Ih n3H5nP:Yb,nMgC3Zug s-Dϔh..#@ ݦ.U񃉊tbVO+bT<&e?FPhK ˄*KڶBW6 IT*ӫ"- ~co)~ < 1359160076 333889 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty colors < 1359160078 5060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh ngevd < 1359160079 217504 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1;|?: O4Cz A \ {69oW[W4v6)Ϝx.b6 <J 7 &R.㚫[~%7҉DCv:xb`P}'1PL sԿNzF2AtqnWPw:0.$﹁ٵSԀ▶.Z@)Ԩ$r;O{NT[P!2 /1.l~KmVI~dl4 yGZ < 1359160093 414742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo a bihg improhvehmehnt < 1359160156 850469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What person-thing does *that* typing quirk make me? < 1359160298 799033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ exit 0;//' bin/'?' < 1359160309 335850 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359160316 374582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1359160317 338521 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ if [ \( "$topic" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e wisdom/ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ]; \ then cat "wisdom/$topic"; \ elif [ -e "wisdom/$topic1" ]; \ then cat "wisdom/$topic1"; \ else echo "$1? < 1359160329 177697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1359160330 383042 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​upU%V.MU65HY)JV9-F#E].aF.M4(..|9 < 1359160346 73883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ? @_@ < 1359160371 975566 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: as in, what troll talks with all the h's. < 1359160383 971040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thahnk you Bihke < 1359160392 7003 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nhp < 1359160403 523888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Bike < 1359160405 290443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hs? I just see a bunch of random noise < 1359160406 126068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bihke ihs frohm Luhxehmbouhrg. < 1359160409 802748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Fiora < 1359160411 249496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiohra ihs frohm sohme ihslahnd sohmewhehre. She juhst doehsn't wahnt to be bohthehrehd, ahs she wohrks ouht hehr dohmihnahtiohn plahn ahs ihmmohrtahl queehn ohf the drahgohns. < 1359160414 668721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme Fiora < 1359160414 885420 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1359160416 838294 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiohra: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359160424 837819 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihmmohrtahl < 1359160601 73669 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUHS RHOH-DHAH < 1359160654 755930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Jafet < 1359160656 153725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jahfeht? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359160663 581097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? jafet < 1359160665 511937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on? < 1359160666 316461 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359160710 436491 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns < 1359160711 889228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359161372 274516 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359161536 986752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah GHCi 6.12.1 < 1359161538 223131 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359161751 23376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwat? < 1359161832 238984 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glahsghow Hashkehl < 1359161902 584962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohkay < 1359162100 145477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about the SQLite file format of columns, and of ALTER TABLE ... ADD COLUMN ... command which can add a column but with various restrictions, and not affecting the data already in the table, but if you add a row where the rightmost columns will have the constant default values will it omit them? < 1359164525 667689 :Ahhrc_Koehhn!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Ahhrc_Koehhn < 1359165045 780501 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359165080 815569 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359165171 904535 :derk_!~derk@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1359165335 511215 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359165391 90998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you even run PRAGMA commands in SQLite before the database is created? < 1359165503 648366 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359165612 903245 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359165625 971682 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359165632 992487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the Facebook Hacker's Cup thing likely to look good on resumes even if I don't get first place? < 1359165646 298965 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359165655 655363 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359166143 712905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would put it on, if you reached any level above "also ran" < 1359166161 913547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean I don't know if there are rounds or divisions or whatever but placing at any level sounds pretty good < 1359166184 337303 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are sponges that eat crustaceans. < 1359166191 639952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you shouldn't include it if it's taking up space that could be used to list more relevant or impressive stuff < 1359166201 827472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, the resume is an advertisement about you, designed to get you a phone call < 1359166233 901677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need to be comprehensive < 1359166287 692367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say that any significant work or software project experience beats coding competitions < 1359166303 234300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code you write for competitions is usually not good code, maintainable code, readable code < 1359166312 496780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not the same kind of code an employer wants you to write < 1359166406 117993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in my current view of programming and hacker culture, i have a pretty negative view of coding competitions < 1359166412 503127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've done them in the past and enjoyed them so *shrug* < 1359166473 564747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately i've been enjoying a lot of games where there are levels and you try to beat the next level but you're not directly playing against other people < 1359166477 473001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359166522 192544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359166773 366973 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :These competitions look interesting: http://azspcs.net/ < 1359166829 45572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359166829 763971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do love the IOCCC though and I do want to run my own devious code contest < 1359166838 987237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how to square that with my other statement < 1359166923 177217 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The current competition is, apparently, an open problem.) < 1359166924 145248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the underhanded thing? < 1359166929 878340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1359166947 191333 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of devious code contests I guess < 1359166957 169941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean http://underhanded.xcott.com/ ? < 1359166963 947926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's neat < 1359166968 375621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dead for 3 years :/ < 1359166974 934757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what I want to run would be a lot more open ended < 1359167002 507247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a specific task I would just be interested to see code (in any language) that appears to straightforwardly do one thing but actually does a different devious thing < 1359167006 644861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few IOCCC entries like that too < 1359167039 831133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fun < 1359167075 936184 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underhanded C contest probably hit a bit too close to home. < 1359167121 619093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while C may be the king of unintended security holes, I think every language has its own unique & interesting ways to hide behavior < 1359167172 516380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing underhanded code contest entries is a lot like making CTF levels, I suppose. < 1359167175 959860 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opening the contest to multiple languages and genres will make judging hard < 1359167190 187633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359167273 66434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: some CTF levels anyway < 1359167291 105887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that interested in an 'underhanded' program which is just, like, a HTTP server with a buffer overflow < 1359167296 658362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can already find plenty of those < 1359167316 194190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1359167334 893704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of the more specialized ones. < 1359167409 570679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, not many CTF levels I've seen have been particularly "obviously correct". < 1359167414 804682 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining, like, an image processing program that reads an image, but actually executes part of the image as code when reading it < 1359167421 904490 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by sneakily smashing its own stack or something < 1359167427 772265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more that they've had obvious bugs but the trick was how to exploit those bugs. < 1359167440 317386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, it varies < 1359167477 750538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one using negative chars to index an array was non-obvious, to me, but maybe this is a vuln class that most other people know about < 1359167564 986466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also like code that looks safe but is actually dangerous due to compiler optimizations < 1359167626 575644 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's easy, just require the image processing program to read metafile < 1359167667 445315 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A metafile image consists of a sequence of Windows GDI function calls.) < 1359167678 946584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha brilliant < 1359167682 902182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, does it really < 1359167765 379339 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Essentially, a WMF file stores a list of function calls that have to be issued to the Windows Graphics Device Interface (GDI) layer to display an image on screen." < 1359167846 88608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359167872 453332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows never meta file it didn't like < 1359168420 685805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids monoids monoids monoids monoids < 1359168425 13767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest thing in the world < 1359168431 469569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to use SQLite amalgamation but maybe it doesn't work; I want to use the following options: SQLITE_OMIT_AUTHORIZATION SQLITE_OMIT_BLOB_LITERAL SQLITE_OMIT_DEPRECATED SQLITE_OMIT_EXPLAIN SQLITE_OMIT_FLOATING_POINT SQLITE_OMIT_INTEGRITY_CHECK SQLITE_OMIT_TRACE SQLITE_OMIT_UTF16 SQLITE_OMIT_UNICODE < 1359168445 447551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is already the problem, since there is no SQLITE_OMIT_UNICODE. < 1359168448 358831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLITE_OMIT_DATABASE < 1359168471 716853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You shouldn't omit Unicode. < 1359168533 873842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLITE_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER < 1359168584 167130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh sqlite < 1359168586 177614 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqlihte? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359168587 144467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh kmc < 1359168588 580643 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359168633 219382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn kmc ran the Internation Devious Code Contest of 2013 < 1359168636 672555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359168639 719475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn kmc ran the International Devious Code Contest of 2013 < 1359168640 442325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://noctis-aeterna.tumblr.com/post/41490130158/ heh, dailywtfish thing on my dash < 1359168643 621385 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359168657 599615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I want to omit Unicode because I am not using those functions and just want length to be the C strlen function instead, and so on. < 1359168668 173875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should use Unicode. < 1359168716 673259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What's the "æterna" thing? < 1359168742 274252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, just a person I follow < 1359168753 508599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was you. < 1359168774 809749 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/ < 1359168785 731019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The common theme is "æterna". < 1359168791 415436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a total coincidence < 1359168795 630599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359168796 413190 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she is the only person I follow with that < 1359168801 231466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't resist turning "ae" into "æ".) < 1359168809 87951 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy to even try typing that >.> < 1359168814 118072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just AltGr-z < 1359168834 824274 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr? < 1359168856 879961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the angry version of the alt key < 1359168866 508290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the German version, actually. < 1359168877 259327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :germans are angry < 1359168885 957312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Set your keyboard layout to "altgr-intl" or something. < 1359168893 83285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the future. < 1359168926 763772 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-z just makes a z < 1359168927 4373 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can type important words like "hellørjan" with ease! < 1359168927 221075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want it with Unicode. I want it to treat it as C strings, without having to check every byte to see how to calculate length and so on. < 1359168945 82827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use UCS-2.625 < 1359168951 366988 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: altgr is right alt in certain keyboard layouts, like us international (but apparently not yours) < 1359168963 233559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right alt just does the same < 1359168978 860200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is UCS-2.625? < 1359168979 102756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that if your right alt key isn't AltGr, it makes you racist. < 1359168986 857771 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because you have a different keyboard layout < 1359168997 36764 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :default american layouts often don't have altgr. < 1359168997 518500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Storing 3 21-bit Unicode code points in one 64-bit word. < 1359169012 468425 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I don't know what my main layout is but the alternate one is a japanese IME < 1359169028 682530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using X11? < 1359169035 541153 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably just "US" or something on Windows. < 1359169035 758114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm I'm using windows < 1359169052 288620 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can switch pretty easily with the control panel, especially if you've done it before for japanese. < 1359169072 906175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359169080 597213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure Windows has the right layout by default? < 1359169091 284683 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows usually uses some boring american one, yeah. < 1359169097 582732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I want to diable Unicode entirely. (So that, UTF-8 text could still be stored in the database, but the program ignores it, and those fields may be used by other programs though.) < 1359169101 976384 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the slightly less boring american one that is US-international. < 1359169128 171972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just store things as binary blobs. < 1359169140 627002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :US-international with deadkeys is evil!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1359169170 977334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well yes, I could store them as blob formats but then it isn't used with SQL strings and null-terminated strings and so on. < 1359169259 856416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, UTF-8 can be up to 36-bits (even though Unicode is only 21-bits), in case 21-bits is not enough. < 1359169352 760049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually if 0xFF is also defined then maybe you can have more than 36-bits < 1359169450 259541 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you don't use Unicode, how can I use Chinese text? < 1359169575 225589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This specific program I am making is not meant for Chinese text, as it wouldn't be useful in what I am making. (You can still store Chinese text in the database, though, if you want to use the same database with other programs.) < 1359169740 922448 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359169900 29450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some other programs I may make, you might want to use Chinese texts and so on, though. So, in a later version of TeXnicard I plan to add an option for UTF-8, but only decoding into 32-bit numbers (even beyond range of Unicode), ignoring everything else about Unicode and requiring the template file to have stuff to deal with the ones you are using. < 1359170659 958348 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :でも、中国語のテキストがとても必要な事! < 1359170683 236486 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :是非大切さが最高! < 1359170704 837673 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :それ日本語やんけw < 1359170729 604905 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you hate the Chinese? That's racist. < 1359170740 624957 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"w" < 1359170743 127905 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :うん。俺中国語分からん。 < 1359170752 317048 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Japanese "lol". < 1359170752 558254 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :同じく。 < 1359170759 717489 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwww < 1359170766 253484 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :っるっせw < 1359170766 493329 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1359171029 142879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I don't hate the Chinese. < 1359171040 851853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wu america < 1359171232 475817 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359171692 183184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naruto treats copying an opponents moves exactly as a good thing. But in Go, there are ways to defeat an opponent who attempts that < 1359171737 94029 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're reading naruto? < 1359171771 202095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watching < 1359171776 254310 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359171784 140702 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the start? < 1359171833 314027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359171888 109869 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched it when it came out, and man it was sslooooowww < 1359171940 780364 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, "Episode 14: Clash on the Bridge!! Exciting Battle!!!" and the episode consists of characters surrounded by mist, not being able to see anything, and contemplating their next strategy out loud for 23 minutes. < 1359171989 440044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the thing that bothers me, the continuous contemplation and exposition out loud, in front of enemies, wasting time < 1359172007 361617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, the enemy should be killing them. Or if the enemy is talking, they should be killing the enemy) < 1359172021 364135 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they can't kill anyone if it's not their turn. Never played a JRPG? < 1359172085 182905 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359172128 172071 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways when you get bored of that, get some deep and philosophical anime meant for adults like K-on < 1359172139 508926 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, it's almost like they have an animation budget. < 1359172202 475248 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359172321 217314 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359172323 144148 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like their target audience ?????? ?????? < 1359172339 767067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh monqy < 1359172341 494681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friehndshihp mohnqy ihs ahn ahnciehnt Chihnehse myhstehry; ahsk ihtihduhs21 fohr dehtaihls. < 1359172344 744151 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1359172350 819449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no are you disapproving < 1359172361 411623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many anime I need to watch < 1359172367 477111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard of K-on < 1359172377 327183 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ゚∀゚) < 1359172378 67024 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a deep philisophical audience for adults < 1359172407 736082 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :audience/anime < 1359172409 182376 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sooner you learn to direct your interests only towards cute girls doing cute things the better < 1359172409 906037 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops woops < 1359172415 843142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a show about {4,5} moe high school girls acting cute while taking part in a _____ club < 1359172426 177264 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and tea and cake < 1359172428 454122 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves how many anime she just described < 1359172432 797015 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophy club philosophy club < 1359172438 445908 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the fifth WHO'S THE FIFTH < 1359172446 909580 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...azusa? < 1359172448 360533 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1359172451 256074 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1359172453 702736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you tell me a story about {4,5} monoids < 1359172461 859025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suzumiya Haruhi has all of that except there are boys too < 1359172463 584419 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they talk about sartre and nietzsche and stuff < 1359172482 506068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god that stays dead, not plays dead < 1359172512 586361 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1359172530 294024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate monoids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1359172547 160752 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly good shows do away with unneeded male characters altogether < 1359172548 366208 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1359172572 110198 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the unneeded female characters too < 1359172574 114105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly good shows do away with both unneeded male and female characters < 1359172575 78640 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unneeded pets < 1359172580 670688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if they're unneeded, who needs 'em? < 1359172584 589305 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unneeded farm animals < 1359172586 464977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if u get my meening" < 1359172586 736523 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unneeded zoo animals < 1359172589 189827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unneeded wild animals < 1359172594 136345 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unneeded plants? < 1359172601 855421 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unneeded fungi????? < 1359172607 240835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungi are fun < 1359172611 907227 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just reminds me of the Japanese evacuation of Manchuria. < 1359172613 795061 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1359172641 210038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: but if they did that, there'd be none left to be generic useless protagonists! < 1359172642 969239 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truly good show is one you experience when detached from the binds of conciousness < 1359172652 199608 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs protagonists when we can have slice of life < 1359172667 576905 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a male protagonist it's probably a lame light novel/eroge adaptation < 1359172669 64935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Suzumiya Haruhi count as slice of life? < 1359172675 709242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can get a bit slice-of-life-y at times < 1359172676 435193 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think it does no < 1359172695 860311 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there's like, a plot < 1359172698 96606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mainly a light novel adaptation that's somewhat less bad than the usuals < 1359172699 654098 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And twists < 1359172716 253767 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's a relatively "old" light novel adaptation so < 1359172721 693741 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the same episode seven times! < 1359172722 417983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What's novel about it? < 1359172724 853297 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shit they've been putting out for the last five years defies understanding < 1359172732 883967 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that a pun ~_~ < 1359172733 607523 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I thought it was eight < 1359172738 743263 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again I never watched that. < 1359172745 243937 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: jphinano.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/all-light-novels-are-the-same/ you'd like this post XD < 1359172746 211969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Every single thing I say in IRC is a pun. < 1359172753 391309 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: "important" < 1359172754 698579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are so well-hidden you never catch on. < 1359172774 360151 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that a pun < 1359172785 749929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "maybe" < 1359172786 494399 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, light novel title time? < 1359172809 276490 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you understand this "animes" thing, do you have a pun about it < 1359172815 875464 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/ln_title_bot < 1359172827 251479 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: OMG < 1359172845 64641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes but "its advanced" < 1359172849 887925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. are those actual titles? < 1359172854 700245 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359172857 109892 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1359172858 863565 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is wonderful < 1359172867 742092 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The links are cover pictures. < 1359172869 800014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you might have to level up before you can "get" it < 1359172876 571533 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The little sister is a dragon and the older brother is prematurely balding" i dunno, this seems pretty good < 1359172886 135167 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you google any of the Japanese titles you'll see they're available on Amazon. < 1359172902 752900 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359172905 696391 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've become a character in an otome game" < 1359172922 544039 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :悪に堕ちたら美少女まみれで大勝利!! | Who cares if I'm the bad guy? Fuck yeah, I got bitches | http://minus.com/lrgyzxBOicuL < 1359172924 31115 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ultimate girlfriend has black hair and glasses" I really don't think that narrows it down much mr. MC < 1359172925 948379 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This translation is the best < 1359172930 777988 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i3.minus.com/ibvxzBUsgG1IfP.jpg Where the fuck is the balding? < 1359172932 879458 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these titles are bad < 1359172939 694856 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These translations are inspired. < 1359172948 388020 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Can't you see the guy holding onto his wig? < 1359172951 197331 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think he's covering it < 1359172967 776261 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh what kind of cover is it if the title isn't completely superfluous?? < 1359172980 272660 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it like, a standard LN thing now to have titles that have nearly nothing to do with the content? < 1359172995 155756 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also standard to make the titles ridiculously long sentences instead of real titles < 1359172995 711232 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not well versed on this ln nonsense but it sounds bad < 1359173007 197532 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359173014 953334 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this one has a girl in bondage on the cover < 1359173027 335652 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in English, not "Generic little sister", but "It turned out that my little sister is generic, or so I've heard" < 1359173049 632698 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: A "light novel" is basically a relatively easy to read novel. Generally the target audience is teenagers and young adults. < 1359173051 661608 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, that actually seems like it could be pretty good < 1359173063 348808 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they've got pictures. < 1359173063 588574 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are quite good. A ton of them are crappy. < 1359173065 72429 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some kind of PKD-ish thing about a guy discovering his little sister is a clone. < 1359173069 421386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light novels are like young adult novels, often with some pictures and stuff < 1359173070 627246 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you only need to actually read a fraction of the pages. < 1359173076 11605 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have to wonder whether the narrator is actually just delusional. < 1359173081 516471 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a defining attribute, but yes, many of them have illustrations. < 1359173090 156208 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothesis: about 13% of japanese culture is actually pkd with more porn < 1359173090 395420 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in recent years there's been a massive flood of terrible light novels < 1359173103 927770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seem to all be some combination of a little sister fetish and harems < 1359173112 65963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly aiming at anime adaptations (???) < 1359173114 21783 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :little sister harems??? it could happen < 1359173119 870810 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat me to it < 1359173121 608561 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1359173125 966715 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it'll happen < 1359173126 940456 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite likely. Little sister harem anime is a thing. < 1359173129 189730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: jphinano.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/just-as-expected-my-light-novel-list-wasnt-wrong-after-all/ < 1359173130 392676 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1359173144 852080 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" My little sister attracts other women and I am suffering" this should be about magnets. < 1359173147 30657 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already exists probably, but not in the true sense of the word 'harem' ;P < 1359173147 513154 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "being done before" doesn't stop anime from happening. < 1359173160 899027 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: "harem anime" doesn't really, so. < 1359173169 357033 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying < 1359173172 814615 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone could crank it up to 11 < 1359173181 8302 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anubis! This is how I became the strongest death worm" and this could be about a mongolian death worm trying to make his way in a world that treats him as a cryptid. < 1359173183 731444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I cannot explain why my girlfriend has ears and a tail" the cover of the book has a girl with neither [animal] ears or a tail < 1359173189 907159 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Little Sister Factory" D: < 1359173192 109668 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo we should have more anime about caliphate infighting? < 1359173198 67421 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: YES < 1359173204 112915 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: maybe that's why he can't explain it < 1359173210 611803 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1359173214 149498 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's obviously shy < 1359173216 224587 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hiding them < 1359173218 553337 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closest thing i know is Otoyomegatari which isn't really close at all < 1359173222 28727 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he's just delusional < 1359173226 938368 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :central asia ftw < 1359173233 187632 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :a delusion is fine too < 1359173245 845631 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i1.minus.com/ibekVQokOfX3Pw.jpg Um hello, no death worms?? < 1359173252 132171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "Anuvis", however. Good romanization. < 1359173276 585373 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... The only accurate one from the kana. < 1359173278 896484 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, how was that pronounced in Ancient Egypt, I wonder. Do we even know much about Egyptian vocals? Did they write rhyming poetry? < 1359173288 420109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i read "death note" < 1359173293 212707 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're death worms that can transform into little girls < 1359173295 105420 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh < 1359173297 658047 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually "anuvisu" there. (anuùīsu) < 1359173300 183529 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :little girls that can transform into death worms < 1359173303 86716 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anubis" is probably hilariously inaccurate itself, given Europe's history with well everything. < 1359173312 712694 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no, the first one is better. < 1359173313 915950 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: idk if you want < 1359173334 307802 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shotgun Detective", now here's an anime < 1359173340 518426 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was also thinking maybe that girl is eating the death worms, but they're radioactive death worms so < 1359173341 760154 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1359173349 51836 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i5.minus.com/iYCtfBznaBzBP.jpg wow fuck nevermind < 1359173354 841086 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359173360 938431 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks anime alright < 1359173364 125515 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :put some clothes on lady < 1359173381 315786 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :> anime about searching for shotguns < 1359173383 15915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `anime'Not in scope: `about'Not in scope: `searching'Not in s... < 1359173385 226776 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :escher light novels http://minus.com/l20WYOO1tvaBa < 1359173390 612886 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you fuck up "Shotgun Detective"? All you need is a detective with a shotgun, and you have gold. Did you learn nothing from Shotgun Ninja?! < 1359173392 209257 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's that guy's uhh < 1359173394 945426 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :detective stuff < 1359173403 607291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like magnifying glass, goofy hat, bubble pipe < 1359173410 965368 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, he's modern. < 1359173414 18006 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all in the trenchcoat. < 1359173414 746280 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs those when you have a shotgun < 1359173426 3590 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: still like the sulfufic acid there < 1359173478 386804 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's the illustrator's name. < 1359173488 679718 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck! < 1359173490 647388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a shotgun as a pipe < 1359173491 916761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a pinch < 1359173508 188260 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you use one as a magnifying glass or goofy hat < 1359173520 598705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MAY LIKE TO KNOW THAT SELFLOADING KARBIN OF SIMONOV TYPE IS COMPLETE SISTEMA FOR SMOKE DOPE, IN ADDITION TO RIFLE FOR KILL ENEMIES OF PARTY. < 1359173522 779846 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shotgun would make for a pretty goofy hat. < 1359173524 225776 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it transforms < 1359173547 443426 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: my headcanon is that it's really what the artist used to bend her spine line that < 1359173551 8057 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like that < 1359173576 39403 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are more practical concerns at play there < 1359173580 999090 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think acid would help there. < 1359173582 708353 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like attracting young male readers < 1359173585 604130 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not that kind of acid, anyway. < 1359173596 649636 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could like, eat through bone with it? I dunno < 1359173603 131401 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she's dead < 1359173615 436548 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it would have to be formaldehyde < 1359173625 36669 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once the book's written she's not needed so they off her < 1359173631 318993 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pose her all pretty for the covershot < 1359173635 430079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam instant hit < 1359173640 935547 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so easy to make this bullshit into mildly interesting premises, fuck < 1359173662 276374 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Schroedinger's Cat-Ears Girl" < 1359173694 327092 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://i4.minus.com/irp3jEbulk07z.jpg thinking this might deserve an escher girls submission < 1359173704 880979 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :her hips just kind of evaporated < 1359173710 280245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :....wow < 1359173723 840898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they somehow avoided the temptation to show even more of her upper body though < 1359173796 169386 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MummyPoko! ~One day, I awoke as a Mongolian Death Worm.~" < 1359173820 829859 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they killed her but they killed her a bit too hard and when they reconstructed her her butt was in the wrong place, woops < 1359173841 598879 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadlines, budgets, it'll have to do < 1359173876 918963 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i7.minus.com/ibk8GEDK3vjCgZ.jpg Oh, hey, they put up that one ABe illustrated. < 1359173900 320648 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative happy chainsaw edge? < 1359173901 743750 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative happy! Chainsaw edge < 1359173903 195659 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1359173938 918186 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's by the same guy as Welcome to the NHK, if you've heard of that. 's about crazy people < 1359173947 914408 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359173955 628934 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the guy's name < 1359173968 796947 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NHK wasn't a light novel though was it, it was liek a proper book < 1359173978 148496 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks Lainish? < 1359173991 428624 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: like i said, abe. < 1359173996 836437 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh riiiight he's... yeah < 1359174001 558751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bad with names @_@ < 1359174005 250990 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NHKlightnovel.JPG he did NHK too. < 1359174014 386409 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABe I can remember because it's three letters and he writes it dumb. < 1359174015 385379 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum. < 1359174040 865196 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how long until my misaki comes to save me .__. < 1359174057 321309 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read NHK really weirdly < 1359174071 89849 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never read it. < 1359174084 260862 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well, she's fucking crazy. < 1359174087 284892 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers! < 1359174090 469710 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my brain filtered out the bad parts < 1359174095 320074 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly ¬u¬ < 1359174096 43171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it? < 1359174107 761520 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did listen to some guy's lecture about the book at a convention though. < 1359174120 84895 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must've toned it down a *lot* for the manga and even more for the animated adaptation < 1359174128 592467 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy's lecture < 1359174131 831793 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they cut out all the cocaine. < 1359174136 489931 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the CP < 1359174138 418506 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the and the. < 1359174144 301945 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1359174148 134500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359174149 351423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359174149 581570 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot anyways. < 1359174161 753966 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The perverted gentleman with a ten-meter diameter" ok, i'm done after this, nothing can beat this < 1359174181 159327 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1359174184 939700 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1359174206 213242 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. done. < 1359174242 799261 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :半径十メートルの変態紳士 < 1359174244 523333 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1359174246 491460 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It exists. < 1359174285 609015 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Although* that probably was never published. Just appeared in the list of finalists for a competition or something. < 1359174305 611091 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...also to be exact that's a ten-meter radius not a diameter ¬u¬ < 1359174388 339305 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was wondering about that. < 1359174433 251675 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does sound much better in English the other way < 1359174467 881305 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359174519 478551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh object < 1359174521 469809 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahn ohbjehct ihs juhst sohmehthihng ihn a cahtehgohry. < 1359174553 507624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't that say "an object is just an object in a category of objects" or something? < 1359174799 162659 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1359174853 918782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo it was a pretty bad point < 1359174863 368288 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the joke < 1359174868 804536 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said "good point" but i meant "bad point" < 1359174880 706267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1359174890 201380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you say one thing but mean another thing < 1359174896 273384 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359174901 620538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke that yes < 1359174904 817031 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359174906 584372 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1359174909 474827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*woops < 1359174932 546228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"caught in ur own web of lies" < 1359174949 102915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Have I ever made a good point? :-( < 1359174959 403526 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk maybe < 1359175017 737403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the time when i was all like < 1359175020 891901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::·( < 1359175083 498109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll show you how to be a nerd if you go out with me!" still cannot even this twitter < 1359175119 403455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"George's father tries to promote COBOL at SF startups. Kramer accidentally joins the R7RS working group." < 1359175223 810721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any words that rhyme with monoid < 1359175225 783512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monoids < 1359175226 749180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :toroid < 1359175234 146255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mongoloid < 1359175243 268766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :steroid < 1359175247 711371 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycloid! < 1359175286 792462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :marvin the paranoid monoid < 1359175327 98007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of these are rhymes. :-( < 1359175910 791833 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote stereoid < 1359175911 47428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. < 1359175925 167985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monoid < 1359175926 374070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359175939 890001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run > bin/quonoid echo quote monoid; chmod +x bin/quonoid < 1359175942 937143 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359176441 345229 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359176521 601739 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359176701 997418 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359177508 989251 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times are things going to be re-explained in this series? (Naruto) < 1359177515 10485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh naruto < 1359177516 582133 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahruhto? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359177580 803960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | shuf < 1359177582 254300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck \ ais523 \ oregon \ ehird \ fungot \ mad \ coppro \ monad \ d-module \ heck \ phantom__________hoover \ monoids \ homestuck \ lifthrasiir \ ievan \ wiki \ wisdom \ parsley \ coffee \ pizza \ footnote 8 \ taneb \ bike \ atrix \ banach-tarski \ you \ intercal \ boily \ lens \ phantom___hoover \ hexham \ irc \ ø \ helsinki \ devious \ kalli < 1359177594 466761 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: gyaaaaa! < 1359177605 373888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh pizza < 1359177606 820355 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pihzza ihs a kihnd ohf rhuhbahrb pie mahde wihthouht rhuhbahrb. < 1359177614 380436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh irc < 1359177615 804600 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihrc ihs uhsehlehss. < 1359177643 441991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh heck < 1359177645 493640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehck ihs whehre you ehnd uhp ihf you dohn't behliehve ihn Gohsh. < 1359177655 297841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh homestuck < 1359177656 986523 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hohmehstuhck ihs a cuhlt rehlihgiohn fohr dihsahffehctehd teehns. Gahmzee drihvehs the buhs. < 1359177711 137996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh helsinki < 1359177712 430240 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehlsihnki ihs the cahpihtahl ohf Fihnlahnd. Ihts maihn suhbuhrb ihs Hehxhahm, Nohrthuhmbehrlahnd. < 1359177715 163332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | shuf < 1359177716 481751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir \ burma \ välkommen \ atriq \ ievan \ irc \ bonvenon \ structural subtyping \ phantom___hoover \ cyberiad \ scotland \ oklopol \ gaszpacho \ d-module \ the us \ misspellings of croissant \ devious \ quote \ you \ gaspacho \ the them \ hagb4rd \ ☃ \ norway \ ngevd \ egobot \ footnote 8 \ pietbot \ flagpole \ fungot \ itidus19 \ coppro < 1359177722 893584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Sorry! < 1359177727 829786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh pietbot < 1359177730 224899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piehtboht ihs the ohnly thihng thaht cahn dehfeaht fuhngoht. < 1359177734 963813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh the us < 1359177736 282444 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UhS ihs the couhntry ohppohsehd to the THEhM. < 1359178225 841374 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :jlul < 1359178228 496206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if foreign keys referencing other files are allowed in SQLite? < 1359178246 423697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the regex should be two regexes < 1359178250 816995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for each case < 1359178255 266126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper and lower < 1359178268 946907 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the US becomes UHS and THEM becomes THEHM < 1359178291 390946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do uS and Us turn into? < 1359178336 445651 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1359178336 702661 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the best acid? where is it? < 1359178337 650647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone. < 1359178344 291060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you think of Naruto, the music is good < 1359178362 20728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: kmc would be the person to ask < 1359178362 504116 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that paper ( clinger's) has a very precise meaning in c or even c++' useless < 1359178369 277673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (Where is it?) < 1359178818 67538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359178819 792120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not know < 1359178966 346446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about just good acid? < 1359178983 195188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1359178988 863886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i know some people who might know < 1359178990 627565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do not know < 1359179003 513182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :acid is not, how you say, efficient market commodity < 1359179157 148603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1359179159 560670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about hydrochloric acid? < 1359179366 870840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Bike: the best acid? where is it? < 1359179367 442202 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what are flow info and scope id). if police is sent to irc" without realizing other stuff is fixed :)) < 1359179370 536106 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :939) Bike: the best acid? where is it? < 1359179381 191206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you have to tell me if you're a cop < 1359179382 153267 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: he left, never to any other. green tabasco sauce and fnord. they work " well enough" and abysmal more like " wow, cool, you can try < 1359179430 705079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1359179431 468386 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it seems to have stabilized at fnord iterations and isn't really assignment, it gives you a 3d woman < 1359179452 456268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot… < 1359179453 179248 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: try reading the appropriate documentation, fez??? for the lower-case alphabet bit? < 1359179461 185773 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fez, what the hell < 1359179486 558970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good style < 1359179488 76078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this irc < 1359179489 362291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1359179489 603103 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1359179496 187635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good style < 1359179496 428249 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: advice 11903 for edw: i am gavino. < 1359179511 787266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good advice < 1359179512 267446 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then you'll get to that collapse point fnord the z3 was the tc one. native speakers. < 1359179694 950511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi monqy < 1359179695 192473 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, i was mostly fighting with this encoding stuff fnord was never published in english, i can't say, on the fly then outputs it < 1359179699 664989 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1359179705 388214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi fungot < 1359179706 613722 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or did i just wipe everything outside of /proc, should you happen to feel coherent right now? just experimenting with my graph version, stacks and numbers are very different < 1359180111 601557 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359180138 456624 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359180162 563562 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359180974 848156 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator_safety < 1359180993 153460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, if you get killed, everything is lost" < 1359181005 202425 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Narutoverse hasn't heard of having a bus factor of >1 < 1359181018 364337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they heard of monoids? < 1359181018 882191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then again, neither have some software projects, including VP < 1359181035 94822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1?hh narutoverse < 1359181044 46205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh narutoverse < 1359181045 527024 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahruhtohvehrse? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359181060 924529 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn narutoverse is a place where they haven't heard of having a bus factor of >1. < 1359181064 320973 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359181159 865109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh naruto < 1359181161 389892 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahruhto? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359181165 533932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: who is naruto < 1359181206 286604 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -e 's/$/ Sgeo drives the bus./' wisdom/narutoverse < 1359181207 492573 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :narutoverse is a place where they haven't heard of having a bus factor of >1. Sgeo drives the bus. < 1359181220 359415 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -ie 's/$/ Sgeo drives the bus./' wisdom/narutoverse < 1359181220 601164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet++ < 1359181223 253928 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359181228 601030 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the shorter and more familiar strings of stringed musical instruments, the cable of a space elevator has a natural resonant frequency. < 1359181425 800571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh space elevator < 1359181427 626051 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :spahce ehlehvahtohr? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359181488 922204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh chicago < 1359181490 338096 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chihcahgo? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359181492 909404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot elevator < 1359181493 697036 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right. a minor third has a ratio of fnord :d < 1359181497 386111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's chicago like < 1359181497 869195 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i support riastradh's requests for more parens as well. to prove the compliance < 1359181507 973097 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Like the shorter and more familiar strings of stringed musical instruments, the cable of a space elevator has a natural resonant frequency." >"wisdom/space elevator" < 1359181510 745252 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359181516 860687 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh space elevator < 1359181518 556623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lihke the shohrtehr ahnd mohre fahmihliahr strihngs ohf strihngehd muhsihcahl ihnstruhmehnts, the cahble ohf a spahce ehlehvahtohr hahs a nahtuhrahl rehsohnahnt frehquehncy. < 1359181523 913415 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, good. < 1359181681 350095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf did you get the crypto puzzles yet < 1359181713 512477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I haven't sent an email. < 1359181746 226650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're "that good" < 1359183643 558451 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359189341 549165 :nkg!ae71ca36@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.113.202.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359189387 22335 :nkg!ae71ca36@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.113.202.54 QUIT :Client Quit < 1359189926 574020 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359189995 817249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359190011 421215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359190157 791224 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Parsec assume a single correct unique parsing? < 1359191774 358146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION manages to do what he needs without Parsec < 1359191820 34043 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it an interesting thing < 1359191901 35619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1359191915 31956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was difficult for me, so I guess that's interesting? < 1359191922 978162 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359191947 458604 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you write a parser by hand < 1359192343 774902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are covariant proxies useful? < 1359192362 693096 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1359192369 828208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either. < 1359192377 14468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any use for them off-hand. < 1359192448 448105 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359192486 618048 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359192581 44594 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: dead < 1359192871 105532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, yes < 1359192896 170043 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know there's a reason why parsy things exist right < 1359192900 941045 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because writing parsers by hand is dumb < 1359192983 49519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what if i want a streaming parser!! < 1359192998 7264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get someone to write a parsy thing for those, then use that < 1359193012 548818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to use Parsec but it ate my memory < 1359193014 846660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: please write a parsy thing for those < 1359193030 28913 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you make a memory leaking infinite loop < 1359193031 487367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't know if the specs even had a unique parsing < 1359193117 978578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a matter of fact there is not. < 1359193126 702659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are strings that can validly be parsed multiple ways. < 1359193143 712845 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!!! < 1359193179 255936 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359193195 609921 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your hand-written parser assume a single correct unique parsing ? < 1359193205 22895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can i recommend monoids < 1359193207 432527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love them < 1359193214 149949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, no it doesn't. < 1359193218 360892 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1359193235 856852 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps what does it mean to "assume" a single correct unique parsing < 1359193350 374980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359194203 704490 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359194377 510228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359194419 570094 :impomatic!~digital_w@187.120.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359194425 331238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359194438 878033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHCi is not very easy to interrupt when you do something dumb < 1359194608 693792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think you are correct. < 1359195007 707345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some changes to the SQLite command shell. Now there is the command .virtual to create an empty virtual table module so that you can create virtual tables for use with other programs, and .extract command to extract blob data from SELECT statements to an external file, and the blobfile(...) function to read an external file. < 1359195336 29738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359195615 303320 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359195779 63023 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359196292 592823 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359196662 418504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359201003 541725 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359202179 619574 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359204558 612776 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359205542 920181 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359207223 381026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh zzo38 < 1359207228 977033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 ihs noht ahctuahlly the nehxt vehrsiohn ohf fuhngoht, muhch ahs iht may seehm. < 1359207237 628748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi fuhngoht < 1359207238 110531 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i mean, he has the materials with which to fiddle now? great! it is a top-level or body form, or so < 1359207247 375710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: or so < 1359207247 615099 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i cannot possibly fathom why one would want to do ( source foo) or something < 1359207256 667565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359207259 416881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot either, fungot. i cannot either < 1359207259 705889 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the decryption part isn't correct, is unhelpful, i guess. ( but i guess it could be a movie :-s < 1359207266 102036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1359207278 301299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'dachaf < 1359207295 573281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's good. "g'dachaf". < 1359207301 676051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 g'dachaf < 1359207301 934245 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'qnpuns < 1359207306 190169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme oerjan < 1359207307 952426 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oehrjahn: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359207327 565650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wehlcohme oerjan | sed s/dahl/dal/g # for you < 1359207328 772093 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oehrjahn: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dal.neht.) < 1359207330 872239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thahnk you < 1359207453 426310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : However, there is already the problem, since there is no SQLITE_OMIT_UNICODE. <-- once again, zzo38 is thwarted in his attempt to avoid unicode < 1359207492 817735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo thirty hate :'( < 1359208229 63370 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably tell the time by what's on my Tumblr dashboard < 1359208261 479200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to log out of Tumblr? < 1359208272 509695 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log... out? < 1359208301 839014 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Adventure Time with hints of Team Fortress 2 and Homestuck < 1359208311 110842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tumblr.com/logout < 1359208312 315895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1359208345 53532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always http://www.tumblr.com/account/delete if you're serious about logging out < 1359208500 915200 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You monster. < 1359208673 579425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only cure to the thing. < 1359208739 850797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe some kind of PKD-ish thing about a guy discovering his little sister is a clone. <-- polycystic kidney disease is no laughing matter. < 1359208874 69594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks philip k. dick may fit better. < 1359209654 235505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359210395 280341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++[-] < 1359210405 949234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf +++++[-]. < 1359210407 348286 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bf: not found < 1359210417 531271 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah < 1359210431 737289 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the GBP based on a banknote standard < 1359210627 494581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :great british paper < 1359210693 557100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :horray \o/ < 1359210718 395148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tire < 1359210730 436275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you're on a roll? < 1359210730 816317 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1359210732 49806 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1359210759 272550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn elliott is tire < 1359210763 318496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359210766 885241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359210769 258724 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359210789 964431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo " He is also tire." >>wisdom/elliott < 1359210793 414367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359210801 944072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1359210803 670822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? \ He is also tire. < 1359210806 557724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359210808 513979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting the other information was useful < 1359210847 351652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 1N -e 's/\n//' wisdom/elliott < 1359210850 529734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359210853 923307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1359210854 617982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? He is also tire. < 1359210922 720908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test | sed -e 's/te/o/;s/st/k/' < 1359210924 276044 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359210998 652811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes | head -10 < 1359210999 633618 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1359211035 462972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes | head -10 | sed -e '1,$N;s/\n//' < 1359211036 701259 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yy \ yy \ yy \ yy \ yy < 1359211039 639842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1359211070 711783 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I use regex to replace matched brackets? < 1359211077 361130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...[...]..] < 1359211087 962116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359211091 770015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except yes if perl < 1359211093 408121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have to replace the inner brackets first. < 1359211120 676655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1359211127 745313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I don't need that. < 1359211143 704982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1359211145 27845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o < 1359211272 523573 :yxynaxen!~yxynaxen@046207157180.atmpu0029.highway.a1.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359211318 668613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome yxynaxen < 1359211320 91260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yxynaxen: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359211332 862098 :yxynaxen!~yxynaxen@046207157180.atmpu0029.highway.a1.net PART :#esoteric < 1359211543 766285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bye < 1359211581 619570 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong kind of esoteric, I guess < 1359211784 600842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hi bye < 1359211808 567811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/mWNt1mGS < 1359211818 462240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't even that difficult. < 1359211838 310893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi bye < 1359211841 120762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hello again! < 1359211881 62206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goætmida < 1359211949 260413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359211964 262735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I just need . and , too < 1359212084 619447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing bf in regexps may be a little hard. < 1359212123 288253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PCRE can also match brackets in regexps < 1359212133 170367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not identical to perl regexp, but it does include the necessary features < 1359212153 632216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if Perl knew what they'd created when they added (??{}) < 1359212167 460247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the documentation said that they were adding the feature to see what happened < 1359212180 565309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when they realised people were using it to write recursive regexps, they added an explicit recursion operator < 1359212188 779255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCRE doesn't have (??{}), but it does have the recursion operator < 1359212212 579206 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna actually learn what a D-module is < 1359212244 791802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how populated the dalnet #esoteric is < 1359212250 793368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much of its traffic we're responsible for < 1359212251 31971 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ring is like something with addition and multiplication < 1359212262 156886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working with semirings a lot < 1359212266 890931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a semiring has addition and multiplication < 1359212277 87556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ring has subtraction and division too (apart from division by 0) < 1359212309 274950 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1359212326 606930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ais523 -----### < 1359212331 120620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO DIVISION < 1359212348 212711 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ring of differential operators would be a ring where the numbers are differential operators, right? < 1359212370 174366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it has multiplicative inverses, right? < 1359212378 542082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that's a division ring. < 1359212379 683404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplicative inverness < 1359212382 447035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1359212389 933623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only work with semirings < 1359212396 30975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this subtraction nonsense < 1359212425 644637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: except they don't call them numbers afaik. < 1359212449 739863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sssh < 1359212476 837954 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Inverness < 1359212478 294751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inverness? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359212487 431004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the technical term is "thingies" < 1359212501 248107 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Inverness is a city in Scotland. The ring road isn't multiplicative. < 1359212504 852995 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359212583 422253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elements", if you must. < 1359212614 806289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ring < 1359212616 10997 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359212644 758946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them." >wisdom/ring < 1359212645 706492 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them." >wisdom/ring < 1359212648 124096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them." >wisdom/ring < 1359212651 63027 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359212661 491476 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ring < 1359212662 736155 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them. < 1359212672 187597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf_textgen hello < 1359212673 818954 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bf_textgen: not found < 1359212681 912746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1359212685 41362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bfgen hello < 1359212686 478808 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bfgen: not found < 1359212692 64125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf_txtgen hello < 1359212693 118440 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bf_txtgen: not found < 1359212697 439117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1359212700 517330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hello < 1359212704 675897 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​56 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>.---.+++++++..+++.>++. [241] < 1359212818 358790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "There are two kinds of fields. Those where you can divide (except by zero), and those where you can conquer." >wisdom/field < 1359212821 632134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359212866 457326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure how wisdom ended up full of abstract mathematical concepts < 1359212867 938297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I approve < 1359212906 404218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :241 cells? < 1359212910 177255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is that number < 1359212929 485285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably number of execution steps. < 1359212948 319737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>><< < 1359212958 949747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only 5 cells. < 1359212962 837688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much better a bf_txtgen you could make < 1359212967 596748 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I have some nasty bug :( < 1359212973 42418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen a < 1359212975 989098 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​39 ++++++++[>++++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>+.>++. [90] < 1359212980 871251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what the shortest string is that it's undecidable what the shortest program to output it is < 1359213003 26229 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think that's undecidable < 1359213023 124392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, I guess it is, but it still /exists/, despite being undecidable < 1359213036 135494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not necessarily undecidable, it's just not necessarily decidable < 1359213091 366006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there we go. < 1359213091 636511 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gut is telling me that any string you can write down, the problem of shortest program to output it is decidable, although perhaps difficult to automate < 1359213145 359552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number in []s is IIRC the generation number. < 1359213163 4044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to the algorithm used. < 1359213171 465260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my get tells me your gut needs recalibration. < 1359213175 354268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gut < 1359213198 213541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: see kolgomorov complexity. < 1359213216 11710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also "decidable but difficult to automate" is kind of incoherent... < 1359213244 389670 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gut isn't very good at this < 1359213262 793854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I disagree, I'd be surprised if it were more than, say, 510 characters (the length of an IRC line) < 1359213265 434106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may well be a lot shorter < 1359213277 489621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Burlesque#Brainfuck_Interpreter < 1359213284 408137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have been bored today :) < 1359213299 19050 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about kolgomorov complexity is that you can only get an upper bound < 1359213303 280333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useful anyway < 1359213303 990278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what happened to that halting analysis of BF programs we were going to do? < 1359213312 271560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what the purpose was < 1359213324 832367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we were trying to find the shortest BF program s.t. we didn't know whether it halted or not < 1359213331 250778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that sounds like an interesting problem < 1359213338 187562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by way of exhaustive search with a partial halting checker, and solving the ones it couldn't by hand, until we got stock < 1359213341 345965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stuck < 1359213348 847469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's how Wolfram found the 2,3 machine < 1359213360 574562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1359213367 391558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in terms of a halting checker, but in terms of finding a pattern that his program couldn't predict < 1359213372 30694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I bet you actually mean "someone Wolfram knew" though :P < 1359213372 266793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far did you get? < 1359213375 842629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: we didn't < 1359213377 354241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359213385 383140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's the sort of thing he usually did himself, actually < 1359213389 248817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just massive brute force searches < 1359213395 354244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he left proofs up to other people, though < 1359213410 463720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people like Alex Smith < 1359213422 451770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359213425 538206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly for the best: one of the only proofs I think he did himself is both very short, and incorrect) < 1359213434 591210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I managed to fix it, but didn't write the fix down) < 1359213442 598008 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the 2,3 machine universality proof < 1359213467 439856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: imo that proof is lame and the author stinks < 1359213476 429413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing they're not in #esoteric < 1359213520 824516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've concluded that the proof is definitely correct, but there's quite some valid debate about what it actually proves < 1359213544 867361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't want to resubmit it to the journal until I've figured out what it is I'm trying to prove < 1359213553 302345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mentions http://esolangs.org/wiki/1cnis < 1359213564 28016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not convinced it actually solves the problem, for two different reasons < 1359213598 460100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, did they give up on accepting it? < 1359213669 869715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359213685 569627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still trying to get me to correct for their feedback and resubmit < 1359213695 943283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a paper that will satisfy other people too, though, rather than just them < 1359213739 463725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll get it fixed just after implementing feather, don't you worry < 1359213766 11990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels mean < 1359213855 862177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that's GreyKnight's job now. < 1359213906 519344 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, try writing a brainfuck interpreter in Fueue < 1359214070 125867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can blame the wolfram people for killing my motivation to work on it < 1359214073 832490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being too pushy < 1359214110 44047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. then i entirely sympathize. < 1359214313 979572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fueue < 1359214318 585651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not in the wiki < 1359214336 650830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman < 1359214344 964491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not very good at wiki searches < 1359214371 465949 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, did you search for Feueu? < 1359214388 529541 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that doesn't exist and I use to make that mistake every time, and I created Fueue < 1359214394 558841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fueue < 1359214400 78977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1359214404 71062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, first time < 1359214412 656928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the URL without even checking to see what the article was called < 1359214413 514615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1359214416 571163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck? < 1359214422 330963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not particularly unguessable < 1359214428 318495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you search Wikipedia by mistake/ < 1359214441 613322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359214444 369626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359214447 367924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he seached ehsolahngs.ohrg < 1359214451 894157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm little bit legasthenic. < 1359214456 844224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I searched for fuefue < 1359214457 377665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+h < 1359214530 799817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If you write one in underload. < 1359214539 752743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, stalemate. < 1359214558 236602 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's actually hypothetically possible to write a BF interpreter in Fueue) < 1359214576 185427 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although ridiculously difficult) < 1359214584 840654 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Underload lacks the IO capabilities < 1359214586 535092 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1359214632 235746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No biggy. < 1359214651 461422 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put IO somewhere. < 1359214683 793871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well come to qwerty.com < 1359214693 572919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elwat < 1359214709 254438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i meant to address that to ais523 < 1359214712 844132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1359214716 12545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well come to qwerty.com < 1359214739 200176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why do you want me to "come to" a domain name? < 1359214747 837812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I'd assume HTTP, but the way that's worded implies it isn't < 1359214749 266242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC? < 1359214779 860582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was just well coming you! < 1359214800 962964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I see < 1359214838 80548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're complaining about a typo/bad grammar on a website, without sufficient context to make the fact you're doing that clear < 1359214854 107809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees no well come on qwerty.com < 1359214866 811119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrong again, sorry :( < 1359214881 133389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I did not even know what content was hosted on qwerty.com when I sent that line < 1359214886 618160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I'm going to ignore you < 1359214887 327026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though curiosity got the better of me shortly after < 1359214894 167677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok :( < 1359214900 691645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'll miss you < 1359214902 613953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /ignore < 1359214910 320501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, not care about what you said, because I don't understand it < 1359214918 855041 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently there's number keypad training < 1359214920 855875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a convenient superpower < 1359214952 179951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Careless Man < 1359214987 865464 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a thriving community of people developing alternative numpad layouts somewhere < 1359215209 419757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359215585 205435 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are pointers torsors? < 1359215679 496780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1359215698 518167 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure I made none of those words up < 1359215721 433438 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ro-che.info/articles/2013-01-08-torsors.html < 1359215759 970072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that sense. then yes. < 1359215769 392132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION already has seen that article. < 1359215781 839279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring out of bounds errors. < 1359215830 125866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not being allowed to subtract pointers from different arrays. < 1359215858 849666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes except, no" < 1359215897 291993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, pointers are torsors if you treat all of memory as one byte array with wrapping semantics for the addresses. < 1359215916 648026 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1359215921 265322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359215925 128400 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially useful for someone who isn't me! < 1359216073 910661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the memory layout of core war fit? only relative addressing iirc. < 1359216105 923079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know core war well enough to tell you < 1359216124 372360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess that means they _only_ store differences, and have no actual pointers as first class values < 1359216159 463230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway -> < 1359216166 725615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359216234 655329 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359216260 696190 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359216358 539993 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359217112 774527 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359217229 260827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc http://i.imgur.com/Iyl5fm3.jpg < 1359217229 541629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359217334 715864 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359217365 973726 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359218483 469395 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359218494 889631 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But as mathematicians and security agents made their way to New Jersey, a number of people began to smell something fishy" < 1359218521 545662 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359218521 803378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: source? < 1359218567 784944 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music of Primes by Marcus du Sautoy < 1359218595 384904 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bit came from a description of an April Fool's prank that went horribly, horribly right < 1359218857 549216 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enrico Bombieri claimed a physicist had solved the Reimann Hypothesis and everyone believed him < 1359219208 510369 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh, I just read "nomadic" as "monadic" and got really confused for a second < 1359219279 347176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. < 1359219293 452830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oliver Smoot ended up being chairman of both ANSI and ISO. < 1359219344 189026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simultaneously? < 1359219351 338284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, consecutively. < 1359219449 540011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was he the guy with the bridge? < 1359219511 701135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359219889 386898 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359220629 613964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1359220629 911939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 56m 40s ago: http://i.imgur.com/Iyl5fm3.jpg < 1359220650 492853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah wtf < 1359220663 39367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1359220676 136409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "Klout has created Page Rank for people" < 1359220682 350303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... done? < 1359220683 925446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1359220685 310558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :755) (help why are german) i play the german version of crawl i < 1359220718 262838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1359220756 509458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting harder to make fun of this stuff, when I say "bro down and crush code" i thought it was a ridiculous overexaggeration < 1359220770 87218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the sign is from 2 years ago < 1359220783 937573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were roundly ridiculed for it then too < 1359220790 745228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is time < 1359220794 219273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo: an illusion < 1359220798 916785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking away the moments that make up the dull day < 1359220803 551998 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359220808 162809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it "ticking" < 1359220815 124070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1359220820 645291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it's more like a burrito < 1359220832 211249 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have too much of time you get ill < 1359220837 877515 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But damn it felt good < 1359220873 36074 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only get out what you put in, unless your time was made by someone else, which isn't as fun < 1359220982 566936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burritos don't work like that! < 1359221339 472488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe < 1359221539 869491 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359221572 409057 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, am I thinking of tacos? < 1359221689 569324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe it's unfair to make fun of klout 2 years after they apologized, but on the other hand it does please me that the reputation damage from these things is long lasting < 1359221847 950910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1359221850 920845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the apology < 1359221863 713583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're sorry we put out ads that made us look like idiots" < 1359221882 867284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't there a more fundamental problem in the form of the fact that klout is also inherently such bullshit < 1359221891 895227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore deserving of mockery regardless of their recruiting practices anyway! < 1359221992 686781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait was it because they used the black power fist < 1359222001 331440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i assume it was something along the lines of "sorry for putting out a terrible sexist ~brogrammer~ recruitment ad" except less sincere < 1359222045 896885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that really doesn't seem like the sort of thing for which a company would issue a direct apology. < 1359222063 774101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there was a really massive outcry, in which case they might do a "sorry you were offended". < 1359222070 688274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmgtfy < 1359222080 391322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359222081 269192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:19:30 that said, the sign is from 2 years ago < 1359222081 486695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:19:43 and they were roundly ridiculed for it then too < 1359222091 407414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://corp.klout.com/blog/2013/01/moving-past-brogramming/ hm a new post < 1359222091 891463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume there was at least some kind of outcry involved in that < 1359222095 31194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess because it's going around again < 1359222125 103905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: anyway yes "sorry you were offended" is what I meant by "except less sincere" < 1359222125 828803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right but like I said, ridicule doesn't really make for apologies. < 1359222128 811064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY YOU MISINTERPRETED ME < 1359222208 503648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the say the company is 30% women now, but I would be curious to know about engineering / technical roles < 1359222275 750326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i can't find the original apology so sorry < 1359222291 173958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kloutlaws" < 1359222294 846850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kloutlaws" < 1359222296 703355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kloutlaws" < 1359222297 636943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kloutlaws" < 1359222300 582901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359222350 190266 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359222605 169887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway maybe if klout did anything of value I would not mock them < 1359222620 213421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this is my first time I have mocked klout I think!!! a first time for everything < 1359222643 475983 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359222779 744060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359222943 948592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would still mock them for that poster < 1359222994 982569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've said it before but: startup hackers are allegric to professionalism for the same reason nerds are allergic to sports < 1359223003 734816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :backlash against a (real or perceived) past aggressor < 1359223202 97111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry kmc, we don't expect you to avoid saying something you've said before < 1359223207 649952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1359223213 861267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like repetition, it is so easy < 1359223316 655886 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359223316 886170 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359223316 886337 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359223374 260427 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359223388 712639 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1359224114 984971 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359224886 733386 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359225570 762198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" My gut is telling me that any string you can write down, the problem of shortest program to output it is decidable, although perhaps difficult to automate" obviously yes < 1359225590 914351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most of them aren't provable in your favorite logic though < 1359225721 165134 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe you could prove your machine is p complete? < 1359225953 678222 :gadis!~Uaer_@subs01-103-10-64-8.three.co.id JOIN :#esoteric < 1359226303 671975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I fiddled a bit with RRDtool. This is very much work-in-progress, but here's a sneak preview: http://zem.fi/esostats/ < 1359226303 928016 :gadis!~Uaer_@subs01-103-10-64-8.three.co.id QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359226311 706133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And off to the sauna. ->) < 1359226332 860016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what exactly did cook prove? < 1359226336 693476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 110 < 1359226381 150312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :universalislaijelijrlijtylijy or something? < 1359226382 434718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"idk" < 1359226444 469956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: apparently "z" had a spike of popularity in 2005 < 1359226455 392431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "q"s popularity has been steadily increasing over the years < 1359226455 647519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and o had one near 2003 < 1359226465 666604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a spike in sep/oct last year < 1359226468 479736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sept? < 1359226475 462485 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1359226530 983702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it, there are clear mathematical definitions for when a set is computationally hard, and then people write these insanely complicated constructions and don't bother to check what they actually prove < 1359226549 584211 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359226549 802137 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 QUIT :Changing host < 1359226549 802302 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359226551 818516 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in what context? < 1359226558 146357 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoeric languages or CS generally? < 1359226659 25027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context that i just scrolled through the paper that "proves rule 110 is universal", and there is not a single theorem. presumably it does explain what exactly is proven in the text though, i should probably at least read the intro. < 1359226680 599020 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359226801 594136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you read ais' paper < 1359226803 724513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm, I'm not sure; the problem is the 2,3 machine takes ever expanding memory to accomplish anything (and this is trivially easily provable) < 1359226818 787742 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not < 1359226823 334623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: imo read it < 1359226862 579496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have many things i should read < 1359226864 851745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359226926 162327 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359226948 423879 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1359226957 628436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's short! < 1359226961 786431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't you have fun < 1359226973 629238 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can't really find what cook's paper proves < 1359227114 264955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359227129 104286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So one undecidable question is, 'Will the following glider ever appear?'" < 1359227162 15558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359227163 39741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck is that supposed to mean? < 1359227259 662241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the rule 110 proof one of those with a computable but non-repeating initial state? < 1359227281 437228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1359227294 11897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think that's just ais523's < 1359227307 37046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the proof still being suppressed by the mathematica secret police? < 1359227322 910389 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.complex-systems.com/pdf/15-1-1.pdf < 1359227332 674718 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can make sense out of that, do tell < 1359227370 874523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.may.ie/~tnaughton/abc/download/dw15.pdf here's p completeness, which actually means somethin < 1359227371 832116 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1359227583 792215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the rule 110 initial state is repeating < 1359227591 592343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not repeating zeros, it's quite a complex repeating pattern < 1359227681 6864 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeating in what sense? < 1359227701 167563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually periodic in both direction, that is, of the form ...uuuvwww...? < 1359227704 463753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*directions < 1359227706 956899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, uuuvwww < 1359227730 304518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359227742 215778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so given u, v, w, u', v', w', it is undecidable whether ..uuuvwww... eventually evolves into ...u'u'u'v'w'w'w'...? < 1359227758 567987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what they prove < 1359228098 627033 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: CS academia is stupid < 1359228129 197267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, the programmer's point of view is "you're simulating the execution of another program, and anything on that program can be mapped onto this one" < 1359228138 149999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what you do is you define an easily observable halt state < 1359228147 335769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prove it's undecidable whether that is reached < 1359228160 778444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the rule 110 automaton, it would be of the form "the sequence q doesn't appear anywhere on the tape" < 1359228178 424488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the halt state works much more neatly for the 2,3 machine, we use a half-infinite tape < 1359228181 323714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :falling off the end = halt state < 1359228409 647187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove it's undecidable whether that is reached from what? < 1359228437 777496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automata have infinite configurations < 1359228499 865398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that from a terrible writer's point of view, it's enough to write the construction, as everyone who reads every last detail of it will know what it does or does not prove. < 1359228632 603769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is not what you said, the agreeing was just a common assholing technique) < 1359228680 189319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually, I think what you do is, you prove that that configuration is reached if and only if you're encoding a TM that halts into the initial tape < 1359228697 416080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's what I did < 1359228850 534436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is fine and well once you actually say what kind of initial tapes you have < 1359228871 582797 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, eventually periodic points. < 1359228887 808481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ...uuuvwww... kind) < 1359228928 536604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually what I was working on before I stopped for the 2,3 proof was a precise definition of what sort of initial tape I had < 1359229061 42311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no qualms with you, i have qualms with cook who seems to have a clear problem he has solved but doesn't explain what. you have trouble figuring out what you can solve, that's not laziness, that just means math is being a bitch. < 1359229087 79703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway I didn't resubmit the paper because of that < 1359229100 339817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, my situation is that I'm pretty certain I've proved something, just am not sure what < 1359229128 11765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359229278 714279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re the topic, is goat-time like space-time except with goats instead of space? < 1359229288 997171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 1cnis enough for your proof? < 1359229318 421766 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are you familiar with substitutions and their fixed points, because i'm wondering if 1cnis has something to do with those < 1359229944 14961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't know if 1cnis is enough < 1359229955 350067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I've been "trying to establish" for well over a year now < 1359230285 517760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is generating nested loops < 1359230350 251740 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359230392 380661 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359230849 283463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359231259 619263 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359231270 522914 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-104-106.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359231484 744841 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you looked at fixed points of substitutions? < 1359231547 226668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have little knowledge about their computational properties) < 1359231562 439753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not really < 1359231646 229453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are infinite sequences with a finite description and some sort of nested things. < 1359231666 487702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1cnis is pretty much like that < 1359231759 70002 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's why i asked < 1359231777 382934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was too lazy to read 1cnis's description for now, perhaps later < 1359233045 780038 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359233139 747915 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359233142 273676 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359233150 139823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thebands.biz/article/simcity-mayor-under-fire-for-excessive-use-of-eminent-domain/ < 1359233178 45161 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359233297 42566 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know who this guy was that didn't use an actual IRC client but used telnet instead? I remember being told about this by someone. < 1359233329 395208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1359233330 125210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's annoying because you have to respond to PINGs < 1359233336 755496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sort of has a client < 1359233340 743088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in php and outputs in coloured raw irc format < 1359233361 211836 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I imagine it is < 1359233753 993523 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359233790 422974 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359233795 522182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I can IRC through telnet/netcat just fine < 1359233803 231127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally don't, sometimes I do it when I need a second connection, or just to show off < 1359233851 747451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really not very hard at all < 1359233861 322959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like all these old protocols, they were designed to be done by hand I think < 1359233874 199322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as via clients < 1359233896 525871 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for sure. I guess you could even make the PING replies to automagically < 1359233923 64689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: that's pretty much what zzo38's client does < 1359233933 295947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing you want is a separate echo area for where you're typing < 1359233942 194634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very distracted for other peoples' lines to appear in the middle of yours < 1359233951 65208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, distracting < 1359234023 476683 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, writing an IRC client isn't very hard < 1359234027 911823 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard at all < 1359234047 55440 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was just wondering < 1359234062 3528 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some people where asking why anyone would do it < 1359234076 143000 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and who would überhaubt do it) < 1359234293 452912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What my client does is if it receives anything, it deletes what you have typed, outputs what it receives, and then puts your input back onto the screen so that you can continue. < 1359234769 309396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38? <-- i think Gregor also tried it? < 1359234815 6593 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a raw IRC client. < 1359234818 10328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I just arranged to speak with someone about a job and only now noticed that it's on the other side of the country < 1359234824 335743 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use it now and then. < 1359234828 947640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The job, that is. Not where I'd be speaking. It would be a phone conversation) < 1359234838 301702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Enjoy the move. < 1359234860 631399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not necessarily going to move unless it's a really good offer < 1359234874 646145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then.. I feel uneasy with that < 1359234882 747643 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1359234908 611059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: aren't you basically pining for an opportunity to become more independent? < 1359234914 14052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it the one called "rawirc"? I have seen that one, although it lacked some things < 1359234942 639922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not pining for an opportunity to put a very large distance between me and all of my friends < 1359234947 387847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And between me and my girlfriend < 1359234984 537838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i keep forgetting people have rl friends. carry on then. < 1359235007 444837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok i have one, i think) < 1359235010 640521 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yup. < 1359235024 629058 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you work remotely and come in to the brick-and-meatsuit office occasionally? < 1359235030 727628 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have IRL friends. I live thousands of miles from them. < 1359235040 952984 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brick-and-meatsuit" < 1359235041 792740 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1359235044 498270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fancy < 1359235056 997970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, I guess that would be a thing for discussion < 1359235063 826354 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359235076 987695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for "All positions are at our Menlo Park, CA location." < 1359235077 859005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lady gaga is their suit designer. < 1359235088 546809 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. :( < 1359235090 476974 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That country. < 1359235105 237253 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I moved from New Hampshire to California for a job. < 1359235110 849652 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am away from my girlfriend. < 1359235112 814482 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1359235120 675119 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wouldn't recommend it. < 1359235130 737718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe you'll meet edison's ghost < 1359235146 114107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This company seems amazing though https://www.transcriptic.com/ < 1359235172 768854 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey look bootstrap. < 1359235176 743210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.transcriptic.com/about/jobs < 1359235251 872640 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks pretty neat. < 1359235256 616496 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1359235267 821463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, rawirc has no macros, filters, settings, etc; many things it doesn't do, so it seems not a very good IRC client to me < 1359235329 578980 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359235460 935231 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I recall, it was more an interesting exercise than anything else. < 1359235477 464266 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359235577 246490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't entirely help that I don't know how I feel about my gf) < 1359235599 139110 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay let's start ranting about my personal problems in #esoteric publically logged again < 1359235624 55146 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just note that long-distance relationships kinda suck. < 1359235649 686844 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that should stop you, *but* just accept it'll be a bit of suckitude you have to deal with. < 1359235665 933355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel weird about the idea of staying here if my only reason for doing so was her, especially since I'm still not sure I feel that strongly < 1359235678 65622 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to make this sort of decision < 1359235699 84810 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Except for "All positions are at our Menlo Park, CA location." // You're complaining about potentially moving to MENLO PARK??? < 1359235724 684528 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's so great about Menlo Park in particular? < 1359235732 891038 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, but it's the bay area. < 1359235786 964457 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, nothing great about Menlo Park in particular, but it's in the right region of California? K. < 1359236174 22722 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :TAaneEb < 1359236206 684553 :TAaneEb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1359236262 28899 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359236404 845383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so great about the bay area? < 1359236441 834249 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's programmer Mecca. :P < 1359236568 47793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just found an airline price fare comparer thingy < 1359236593 902381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It apparently works by popups < 1359236602 617321 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.com/flights < 1359236649 902279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ty < 1359236814 409845 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like hipmunk.com < 1359237202 560453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK:_Reloaded < 1359237209 318784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear i never realised this was from scotland < 1359237295 958112 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Menlo Park is pretty expensive to live in. < 1359237338 956862 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol, that is absolutely delightful. < 1359237340 681706 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Caltrain is okay for anything along the main backbone of the peninsula though. < 1359237344 175709 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't wait for the 9/11 flight simulator. < 1359237353 333567 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't really need a car. < 1359237369 362677 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm within walking distance of work in a not-too-expensive city though. < 1359237371 922742 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Burlingame) < 1359237373 649910 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359237381 83544 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though though though. < 1359237452 77757 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also does it make sense to implement sum types in terms of union and product? < 1359237461 531419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I have a "real" interview yet < 1359237475 57077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a phone call to talk about my background < 1359237532 379734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: a struct with a tag and a union is more or less the usual implementation, no? < 1359237554 724152 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah just making sure it didn't sound stupid when put in writing. < 1359237644 931639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359237648 982922 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I dunno if the tag is really a value or type or what. < 1359237666 390908 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile-time value. < 1359237683 15162 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean when it comes to e.g. totality checking. < 1359237697 751086 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how in Haskell I can't make an ad-hoc subset of a sum type. < 1359237764 719601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359237780 969985 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359237807 123898 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. data ABC = A | B | C; a x = case x of { A -> "a"; _ -> bc x }; bc x = case x of { B -> "b"; C -> "c" } < 1359237882 617030 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc :: ABC -> String but should :: (B | C) -> String < 1359237919 671638 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supersets I'm not as sure about. < 1359237928 538709 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it implies you can mix constructors from different data types. < 1359237932 756759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did once think of a kind of type system which would allow such things, as well as some other things < 1359237933 479964 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that data types are entirely ad-hoc. < 1359237945 713324 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I'm pretty sure is not decidably inferable. < 1359237948 921582 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably checkable. < 1359237953 597352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: i am talking about C structs. i think if you want to express a sum type in a _type safe_ way without building it in as a primitive, then you need dependent typing. < 1359237956 157318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is different and might not be suitable for all of the same things, and I also don't know if it work. < 1359237979 87819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (forall r. (a -> r) -> (b -> r) -> r) ~ Either a b < 1359237983 925557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are we disallowing rank-2? < 1359237994 172926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hm i guess < 1359238007 681381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just your standard church encoding I think < 1359238017 342853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall r. (a -> b -> r) -> r) gets you (a,b) < 1359238018 389226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: ok so elliott's method works. < 1359238037 561548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea the context, by the way. < 1359238055 748128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but safely typing the actual struct memory layout you would use in C requires dependent typing, i think. < 1359238061 541785 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on a language. Considering implementing sums in terms of unions & products. < 1359238067 995132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1359238101 28045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, not quite, actually. I think GADTs are enough < 1359238114 896824 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pseudocode Maybe a = Nothing \/ (Just, a) < 1359238118 28052 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: do you mean c unions or are you actually putting something analogous to c unions in your language < 1359238123 479445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Menlo Park? fuck the south bay < 1359238129 708227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like 30 miles from a real city < 1359238145 957371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data Union a b c where { L :: a -> Union a b a; R :: b -> Union a b b } -- assume a tag-free runtime representation of this type < 1359238162 818007 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I mean union types in the type-theory sense. < 1359238172 550528 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" "Um, 97?" "*whew*, that's a relief. Radar gun's working. Thanks for your cooperation." < 1359238173 267584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what < 1359238179 506373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data Tag a b c where { TagL :: Tag a b a; TagR :: TagR a b b } < 1359238185 477161 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular idempotent: a \/ a = a < 1359238193 166940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data Either a b where { Either :: Tag a b c -> Union a b c -> Either a b } < 1359238196 100381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or such < 1359238201 797349 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes what. < 1359238202 520862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: south bay is suburban sprawl, don't make the mistake of thinking that anything in the "SF bay area" is like SF < 1359238216 535863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: what do you mean by type theory union and how does it differ from a sum type < 1359238221 506794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: btw i think ocaml has at least one way of treating sum types so that you can do subsets < 1359238247 462051 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought a union type was, like, untagged sum... < 1359238253 112415 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sums are disjoint. I can differentiate the Ints in data AB = A Int | B Int < 1359238256 50265 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: union and intersection types are a "thing" < 1359238260 911443 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359238269 367426 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But could not differentiate them in Int \/ Int because they are the same. < 1359238269 607614 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :set theory all up in this < 1359238281 549592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes I know... < 1359238281 766514 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but imo it's an incredibly dumb dumb dumb foundation < 1359238282 31436 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you treat types as sets which you sorta can. < 1359238285 446954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: does evincar know < 1359238295 818606 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems really problematic. :( < 1359238297 506424 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's it dumb? < 1359238302 971802 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you seen them < 1359238308 295033 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What does that say? Either is a constructor that takes a Tag and an Union? < 1359238314 157290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes < 1359238321 216688 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a specialisation, or a general statement? < 1359238324 52270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "programmer mecca" it's also the epicenter of the worst excesses of hacker culture, an environment which rewards these things rather than providing a reality check < 1359238324 291035 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: in C I guess < 1359238325 14364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses GADT type magic to tie the tag's value and the union's branch together < 1359238329 908961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can store Union without a tag < 1359238343 332183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this won't happen in practice, but it provides a /typing/ for this C-style sum type construction mechanism) < 1359238353 953904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1359238357 811482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Either can be simplified vastly of course < 1359238366 811137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: data Either a b where { Either :: Tag a b c -> c -> Either a b } < 1359238377 252083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you *do* get the effectively "unboxed" representation. < 1359238397 905812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What does c represent? The choice between element a and b? < 1359238431 366824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use TagL, then c is fixed to a < 1359238436 598599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use TagR, then c is fixed to b < 1359238438 286313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, effectively < 1359238442 154001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either is an existential type there < 1359238466 621426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And both TagL and TagR are Tag? < 1359238474 468763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are Tag howso? < 1359238477 642020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TagL :: Tag a b a < 1359238480 315876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TagR :: Tag a b b < 1359238480 800415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1359238522 936926 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would an example usage be Either TagL "something" < 1359238578 43674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even without this thing, I still feel weird for gf related reasons < 1359238586 382759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure she loves me much more than I like her < 1359238595 376534 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359238612 496250 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1359238614 714307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wow the wording in that sentence... < 1359238680 528229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay more Sgeo's personal life < 1359238753 301254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're making progress! < 1359238763 258132 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What happens if both a and b are the same type? < 1359238779 185629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I should not be discussing my life in a publically logged channel < 1359238785 492651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: TagL :: Tag Int Int Int; TagR :: Tag Int Int Int < 1359238787 698246 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like nothing in particular happens. < 1359238803 481698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh I guess Tag is sort of a sum type :P < 1359238807 184458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, especially one in which your name, university and general area are known. < 1359238820 721216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but runtime-wise, it's just Bool. < 1359238838 835971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to (Either a b) which has the actual value < 1359238842 463353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, they're both constructors. Nevermind < 1359238895 151580 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either TagL x = Left x; Either TagR x = Right x or something < 1359239032 10631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359239078 735378 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: saijanai_ < 1359239237 599718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pretty < 1359239248 687715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ty < 1359239413 518148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in principle you could probably split any adt and maybe gadt into gadt parts where each part was essentially a tag (no arguments to constructors) or a product (only one constructor for the gadt) < 1359239523 51231 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty lame principle imo < 1359239538 824263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whats lame about it < 1359239561 356767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, you can turn into any gadt into a possibly-existential type given type equality < 1359239565 301631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(value or constraint level) < 1359239571 911091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should work for pretty much anything < 1359239602 815575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact I think my Tag type may be enough to do anything you want < 1359239720 9969 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dont really know how to describe it........maybe its just a bad ol gut feeling < 1359239744 683002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /last covariant < 1359239747 169228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1359239752 501179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I said it in here too. < 1359239770 389225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well we have a "use-case" < 1359239777 746165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. compiling down to C structs/unions < 1359240063 677558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote well what is time imo: an illusion [...] elliott, I think it's more like a burrito If you have too much of time you get ill But damn it felt good You only get out what you put in, unless your time was made by someone else, which isn't as fun burritos don't work like that! < 1359240067 613380 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :940) well what is time imo: an illusion [...] elliott, I think it's more like a burrito If you have too much of time you get ill But damn it felt good You only get out what you put in, unless your time was made by someone else, which isn't as fun burritos don't work like that! < 1359240073 249246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, that reminds me < 1359240089 686097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we managed to get the line ", as time itself is only an abstract approximation" into our most recent paper < 1359240097 964590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my supervisor wrote it and probably didn't realise how profound it sounded < 1359240119 976902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1359240127 364788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it'll be accepted < 1359240172 820020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh thyme < 1359240174 505328 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :thyhme? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359240177 698421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh oregon < 1359240179 809899 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohrehgohn ihs the hohme ohf Ohrehgahno. Grehgohr uhsehd to tahke cahre ohf the cohlohr schehme, buht thehn he lehft. < 1359240191 862456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Thyme itself is only an abstract approximation of oregano. < 1359240195 515269 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359240205 679157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't be funny out of context < 1359240221 421493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not particularly funny even in context < 1359240235 94726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you see the h-peak in http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_h.html there? < 1359240292 818812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fizzie++ < 1359240297 205887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…we have a page dedicated to how often the letter h is used? < 1359240304 818062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what causd it? < 1359240307 710275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or don't we know? < 1359240324 542537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: All the bin/?hh bin/h etc. mess yesterday, I'm pretty sure. < 1359240331 819502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a page for every letter, apparently. < 1359240332 650711 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359240338 32694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I missed that < 1359240341 986408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow I'm glad I missed it < 1359240345 882630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other letters would feel bad if only h had a page. < 1359240356 126621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh ais523 < 1359240357 198564 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also been a spike in the usage of HackEgo < 1359240357 440468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ITYM "mihssehd" HTH HAND < 1359240357 906465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahgehnt "Iä" Smihth ihs ahn ahliehn wihth a strahnge ahllehrgy to ahviahn bohdy cohvehrihng, whihch he ihs tryihng to rehtroahctihvehly prehvehnt frohm ehvehr ehvohlvihng. < 1359240405 722094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that just add an "h" after every vowel? < 1359240410 486063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_ø.html doesn't exist, it's outrageous! < 1359240415 417936 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359240425 402675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Between (approximately) every vowel-consonant pair. < 1359240425 884551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in the middle of every vowel-consonant pair < 1359240450 552240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359240456 418384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost the same except when you have multiple vowels in a row < 1359240464 516502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice spike in http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_q.html < 1359240476 514203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentioned that spike < 1359240478 442242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand it < 1359240481 352808 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened in early october < 1359240484 476680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhuhhuhuhhuhhuhuhhuhhuhuhhuhhuhuhhuhhuhuhhuhhuhuhhuhhuhuhhuhhuhu < 1359240506 160075 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about ten's complement arithmetic, and what it would mean to have something like :5:382.3 where the part between :: repeats forever < 1359240509 589606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… do BF Joust program names cause spikes in the stats? < 1359240515 54561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably cause spikes in "j" < 1359240523 95285 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq q qqq qq < 1359240525 239598 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could that have been one of those days when you spammed q a lot < 1359240526 756623 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 10-adic? < 1359240531 83328 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may have been it < 1359240541 467019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i don't spam it that much < 1359240542 792674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqqqqqqqqqq < 1359240547 256017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sometimes when the urge strikes me < 1359240549 213563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the qs start flowing < 1359240550 662045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs qqqqqqqqq < 1359240552 221455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_x.html < 1359240555 878413 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a good name would be for the quantity you need to add to get zero < 1359240561 853988 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You could get that kind of number by reversing the digits in a rational? < 1359240566 507242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost tempted to look up logs for the x spikes. < 1359240567 501923 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a meaningful operation? < 1359240572 247716 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, 0 - :3: = :6:7 < 1359240572 464800 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-10-14 < 1359240581 693963 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359240585 105583 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: are you not describing 10-adic arithmetic < 1359240585 345959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs qqqqqqqqq < 1359240591 5595 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the q-spike comes from < 1359240602 132136 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6327 < 1359240607 792910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0:384 is a standard positive number, :9:374 can be thought to describe a negative number < 1359240616 119655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Can you look up the x spikes? < 1359240620 216656 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02:06: whitespacer: i think elliott wants something from you < 1359240620 497764 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02:08: -!- ais523 changed the modes of #esoteric: +m < 1359240620 715350 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02:19: -!- ais523 changed the modes of #esoteric: -m < 1359240620 715553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02:26: it's like when a baby cries but it's elliott and q < 1359240620 715663 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what :5:43 is, but you can still do arithmetic with it just fine < 1359240629 177924 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02:44: and you don't know if the baby wants food or diapers or what < 1359240629 754282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's a lot of fungot underload stuff with 'x's in them in 2012-10-25. < 1359240630 379235 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in a repl fashion by specifying the language mzscheme use the except form. get the pdf at http://www.unmutual.info/ documentation/ sicp.pdf, the html version is pretty slow < 1359240635 291676 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, seriously, don't reinvent p-adics, they're right there. < 1359240636 310316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-10-25 < 1359240636 977963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I +m the channel < 1359240641 933222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either I'm trying to stop a botloop < 1359240643 314008 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The october x-spike < 1359240649 677902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something really badly is happening < 1359240662 360242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation marks might be more interesting, actually < 1359240663 56093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359240664 377718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the navi guy < 1359240668 655354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they tend to reflect esolang syntax < 1359240669 940220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-04-28 < 1359240670 913937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree ais523, something really bad happened that day < 1359240674 164395 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The april x-spike < 1359240676 650557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :navi guy joined the channel < 1359240694 404156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ELLIOT SHUT THE FUCK UP < 1359240727 89428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im here when desperate measures must be taken < 1359240728 736729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which day was that? < 1359240732 679017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving lots of letters < 1359240735 91334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjacent to one another < 1359240741 862884 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Isn't p-adics for prime bases only < 1359240742 105610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2012-10-14 apparently < 1359240750 118685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how annoyed are you when people misspell your name? < 1359240777 195191 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan helps, elliott < 1359240781 760267 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :End of http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-09-02 < 1359240788 330152 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: doing it with non-primes doesn't work as well but is still what you are describing < 1359240791 222767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um < 1359240793 647578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am kind of used to it < 1359240801 482580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1359240807 423897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a name with multiple plausible spellings < 1359240811 690117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think people would just look at the nick < 1359240815 672198 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "Elliott" was the normal spelling? < 1359240820 314106 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:44:46: -!- naviISGOD has joined #esoteric. < 1359240820 795415 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:44:49: navi navi navi < 1359240821 12088 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:44:55: hey listen < 1359240824 212809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite rare for other people to misspell ais523 < 1359240827 106069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eךןםא" ןד איק מםרצשך דפקךךןמעץ < 1359240830 35138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem. < 1359240831 795645 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiz523 < 1359240834 208463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I misspell it all the time, but I normally correct it before sending) < 1359240834 424938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eliot" is the normal spelling. < 1359240840 895928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my most common misspelling is ais532) < 1359240856 91682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: To be fair you have a NUMBER at the end of your nick. < 1359240865 433080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number. Who does that? Does that even count as spelling? < 1359240869 95424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's miscounting. < 1359240876 535415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was it who refused to take me seriously as long as I had a number at the end of my nick < 1359240881 428224 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once booked into a hotel under the name of "Random" < 1359240883 86253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but treated me perfectly fine when I changed to scarf? < 1359240886 18705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1359240887 708884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't typo your nick because I always type ai < 1359240889 463693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world? < 1359240890 187117 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do this more often < 1359240890 404100 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngrams shows Elliott and Elliot roughly equal. < 1359240893 78932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi scarf < 1359240894 283663 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was just thinking about it randomly < 1359240895 971452 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eliot is an outlier because of T. S. < 1359240897 214792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, ^ < 1359240906 971757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you use to have a number at the end of your nick? < 1359240908 949694 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, but when I'm typing my own nick, I'm not there so it doesn't tab-complete < 1359240916 143413 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: just sayin, if the material's already there you can use it. < 1359240917 139447 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: randomly assigned username < 1359240917 526218 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "No-one was ever called Elliot." < 1359240919 392488 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one was ever called Elliot. < 1359240924 945138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: T. S. Eliot was the best el+iot+, though. < 1359240930 134465 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "No-one was ever called Elliot." > wisdom/elliot < 1359240933 455994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359240937 396939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, oh okay? In xchat I can tab complete my own nick, pretty sure it ends up last if there are multiple possibilities though < 1359240937 613927 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliot < 1359240939 641437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one was ever called Elliot. < 1359240950 650595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't test, I'm the only one with v < 1359240952 285927 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but I can't when I'm not there < 1359240958 968903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, hm < 1359240963 108689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/-/\ / wisdom/elliot < 1359240966 2247 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359240966 219028 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when I'm joining a channel in webchat < 1359240969 522620 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a server < 1359240974 388433 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I tab-complete the nick then? < 1359240978 824664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, true < 1359240983 460794 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :VorTaneb < 1359240987 805890 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like trying to tab-complete in mkdir, I don't create directories often but when I do I try to tab-complete all the time < 1359240988 22741 :VorTaneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can test now < 1359240990 844193 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get annoyed when it doesn't work < 1359240995 311832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1359241007 595737 :VorTaneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1359241009 98961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :VorTaneb, well okay it still completes to last spoken < 1359241012 958802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of stupid < 1359241025 196099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after my line "test" it went to me instead < 1359241028 121223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Vorpal < 1359241030 64367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vohrpahl ihs reahlly bohrihng. Sehriouhsly, you hahve no ihdea. < 1359241037 491581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really true, Vorpal? < 1359241045 659987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no it is a lie < 1359241047 672226 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Taneb < 1359241049 765034 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tahnehb ihs noht ehlliohtt, no mahttehr who you ahsk. He ahlso ihsn't a rahbbi ahlthouhgh he hahs prehtehndehd ihn the pahst. (see ahlso: d-mohduhlehs) < 1359241050 487072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you and elliott just have a "disagreement". < 1359241060 911268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh shachaf < 1359241062 356466 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shahchahf sprø sohm sehllehri ahnd cohsplayhs Nehpehta Leihjohn ohn weehkehnds. < 1359241063 586152 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh d-modules < 1359241065 557166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-mohduhlehs ahre juhst mohduhlehs ohvehr the rihng ohf dihffehrehntiahl ohpehrahtohrs. Tahnehb ihnvehntehd thehm. < 1359241077 50021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359241078 533392 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359241083 939656 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1359241086 203750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job inventing d-modules Taneb < 1359241101 938496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use are they < 1359241105 30702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can work your way up to c-modules and eventually a-modules?? < 1359241121 220280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is even listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-modules < 1359241128 451262 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: inventing mathematical constructs isn't hard, the problem is finding uses for them < 1359241130 891110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, shouldn't the goal be s-modules? < 1359241145 78113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I never understood why S-rank was better than A-rank in games < 1359241146 767121 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember which nick I used when I wanted to get accidentally nickpinged a lot < 1359241149 964263 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, it makes no sense < 1359241150 205384 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it "this"? or is that taken? < 1359241156 49308 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that one isn't taken < 1359241160 444614 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :this < 1359241171 434857 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're useful in the Reimann-Hilbert correspondence < 1359241207 942368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this: Why do you care whether that's taken? < 1359241213 661098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, can you explain that btw? Why S-rank in a game is above A-rank < 1359241217 416285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu're this, not that. < 1359241218 57999 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because I don't like using other people's nicks without their permissions < 1359241229 963812 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because if you need a rank above A, you have to call it something < 1359241235 30444 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and @ would be excessively geeky < 1359241237 922868 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people just went with S < 1359241238 406081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1359241242 56027 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I always assumed it stood for "Special" < 1359241243 502047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this: Sure, so you should ask whether this is taken. < 1359241245 431321 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some games use a star instead < 1359241250 796877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, why not just make A the top rank instead? < 1359241260 321415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shift everything down by one < 1359241265 676116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hm, I guess so < 1359241272 526942 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for the same reason that giving a game a review score below 8 means you hate it < 1359241276 205415 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's, like, 7.9 < 1359241313 699460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.̅9 < 1359241324 428929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, I generally ignore any sort of scoring, it is mostly useless compared to reading the review. Unless it is something like 2/10 or such < 1359241329 652851 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...7777.9 < 1359241339 495922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: p-adics are the devil < 1359241341 290457 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, my client is pinging me on every join/part < 1359241354 15065 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say that sort of thing about freefull! < 1359241358 358071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, the score system of game reviews is utterly silly < 1359241358 593237 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, "… has joined this channel" pings you if your nick happens to be one of the words in the interface message < 1359241369 858462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1359241373 568746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, sounds like a bug < 1359241375 476978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes some sense < 1359241457 525030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359241488 47241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-rank S-bahn < 1359241512 536350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellogan < 1359241678 154517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1359241773 314302 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, this day of navi < 1359241783 915492 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen invented a BF derivative that maps all the commands to the same keyword < 1359241791 991157 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems better than most BF derivatives :) < 1359241836 598961 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they differentiated by position or something? < 1359241849 515038 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: huh, you apparently own "join" < 1359241859 874279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, correct < 1359241870 911679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm idea, a score system where the scores go 1-7, 8, 9, 9.1, 9.2 - 9.9, 9.91 - 9.99, etc. < 1359241881 441437 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: someone just /nicked to it in another channel and went "hey, it's registered" < 1359241885 616329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, and my irc client does not highlight on join or part messages < 1359241890 277363 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I checked, and thought "huh, I know the person who registered that" < 1359241931 735008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can have as many 9 digits as you want, but then at most one other < 1359241944 313191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :log scores eh < 1359241962 124352 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a little like TeX version numbers, except with 10 rather than pi < 1359242027 989418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, btw I turned off highlights except on the form of ^Vorpal[,:] in #NetHack < 1359242042 73384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that I don't get many spurious highlights < 1359242044 574960 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because people talk about you a lot? < 1359242048 450565 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, #nethack, not #esoteric < 1359242050 416809 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1359242065 838306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, yeah they even named a weapon after me in nethack! < 1359242068 738287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1359242075 565216 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a speedrunner with your name < 1359242079 890998 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a little confused sometimes < 1359242081 816701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1359242086 44289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue who that is < 1359242351 165633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i preferred it more when you were anmaster... < 1359242395 895858 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster? No! Not Markov! < 1359242417 951276 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: huh, I tried to see an anagram in that < 1359242419 641659 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't one < 1359242431 40240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect a fungot quote < 1359242431 520419 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why don't i continue this... emacs thing... with scheme buffer < 1359242438 729607 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not you too :( < 1359242438 946310 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this: try another classic. htdp is much easier to compile < 1359242447 890273 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote anmaster no < 1359242448 107404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote anmaster < 1359242451 718544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ 65) I'm 100% of what sort of magic was involved in it \ 89) fungot!*@* added to ignore list. AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack. \ 104) AnMaster: intercal-72 c-intercal clc-intercal j-intercal yes all v < 1359242452 951971 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :579) Ngevd:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov < 1359242473 19726 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that one < 1359242515 673123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I dismayed by a commercial for Yugioh anime even though I am a fan of (i forget the name) no Go? < 1359242567 951525 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yugioh anime characters are cheating < 1359242580 868397 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always amusing to see them do something in the anime and people try to stat the anime effects of the cards < 1359242591 673363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : i preferred it more when you were anmaster... <-- why? < 1359242611 896824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less generic < 1359242621 358783 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay that is true < 1359242626 474414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a bit of a silly nick too < 1359242659 728127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: anyway yes "sorry you were offended" is what I meant by "except less sincere" <-- i'd suggest "we would like to apologize to anyone who were reminded of previous traumatic experiences by our advertisement." < 1359242696 666965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code was crushed once :( < 1359242794 963606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crush tactic < 1359242797 916062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy < 1359242814 300244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq out and crush proofs < 1359242865 633123 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359242881 311650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you use crush < 1359242885 447223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i used crush once and then felt dirty < 1359242897 296142 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crush is really slow < 1359242904 434598 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have better ways to do things now < 1359242920 155841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you Transcended the Crush monqy < 1359242927 678853 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1359242936 246993 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres nothing to feel dirty about using crush tho < 1359242969 385336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's ugly i forget why < 1359242983 931728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i just mostly hate tactics in general < 1359243034 528534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is "Crush" in this context? < 1359243040 228463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crush tactic < 1359243066 89016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1359243107 546919 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1359243120 578439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crush < 1359243130 468485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :general purpose "solves easy stuff" coq tactic < 1359243159 719199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you Transcended the Easy Stuff monqy < 1359243168 986703 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1359243189 242257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even monoids < 1359243198 485866 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it can just tell you what tactics you should have used instead < 1359243201 693278 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can replace it with those < 1359243222 865615 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of missing the "point" of tactic proofs as i see them < 1359243262 251309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "point" is to be ugly stateful write-only messes :( < 1359243269 75363 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1359243284 2629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the accidental point < 1359243296 884582 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's write-only it's a bad tactic proof < 1359243308 267835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the best proofs are read-only < 1359243313 405985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately no one has managed to write them < 1359243319 174798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the whole structure of the tactics system encourages such write-only proofs < 1359243328 574391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internals are ugly too < 1359243329 374612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can solve monoids eh < 1359243335 621410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :internals as in how the tactics are actually written < 1359243343 422083 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like to write proofs in such a way that you can understand how they work < 1359243364 188531 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people keep telling me to turn them round into the version that just comes out of nowhere < 1359243367 80205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh whatever i dont feel like arguing this. i hate tactics too but there's ways to make them palatable < 1359243372 134918 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my advice is to read them backwards, they often make more sense that way < 1359243381 628434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this: Don't listen to people! < 1359243413 350381 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but I want them to accept my papers :( < 1359243442 698192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll accept your papers instead if you like. < 1359243483 128039 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wouldn't have quite the sort of academic clout I need :( < 1359243520 524238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf journal of shachaf < 1359243537 749062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conference proceedings of SIGCHAF < 1359243553 191537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this: are you saying i'm not clouty enough for you :'( < 1359243556 124388 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conference about ways to dodge MANPADS would actually be kind of cool < 1359243568 643230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1359243571 63424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sure you can write palatable C code too < 1359243579 118182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean it doesn't encourage unpalatable code by its structure < 1359243583 606104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you said "dodge" i thought first of like a guy trying to jump out of the way < 1359243586 16169 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure < 1359243598 9191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :defensive martial arts training against shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles < 1359243638 383423 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would look cool as hell and also you would die but it would still look cool < 1359243654 74547 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it mostly makes me remember burning people failing to jump out of their tanks < 1359243687 55381 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359243763 875833 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vljapydLfGQ yeah here we go < 1359243918 87808 :this!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1359243920 538045 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-104-106.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: too late to apologize < 1359243991 211887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, was that on the news or reddit or something < 1359244041 148584 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, i wouldn't know? it's posted by somebody evidently collecting syria videos < 1359244054 112911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DvljapydLfGQ < 1359244056 564251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :verify controversy < 1359244064 723892 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :controversy verified < 1359244067 368381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got linked to it by a friend about an hour ago < 1359244071 385646 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1359244079 705120 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things do tend to spread around, though < 1359244090 839377 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say, a link spread on the Internet? < 1359244097 162704 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1359244301 405363 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359244320 629933 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, too, can be part of the next-gen social warfare revolution!! < 1359244334 153818 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen Link spread on the Internet. < 1359244344 732886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :social warfare < 1359244357 929047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like when the IDF pays people to tweet nice things about them < 1359244385 168208 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just regular warfare. < 1359244388 645896 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when i have to avoid reading the comments in broken english about how anti-assad people are subhuman, yes < 1359244516 904339 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the guy in charge of the IDF social outreach though, god) < 1359244573 185575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd've expected god to hold a more senior post, frankly < 1359244620 25317 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's funny because you deliberately misinterpreted my use of an interjection as an identifying name of the subject of the previous clause. < 1359244645 140288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's clever because you explained the joke < 1359244653 217544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because it's not < 1359244671 703463 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm just sayin' the dude dresses up in blackface and that shit ain't fly, it ain't fly at all. < 1359244679 871329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow < 1359244681 596837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty fly for a white guy < 1359244698 313043 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Obama style" was i think what he said along with it < 1359244718 697159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think blackface being ultra offensive is something of a US-specific thing < 1359244724 378841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not great anywhere but < 1359244733 424524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was offensive when the bbc did it in the 60s too < 1359244748 296497 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC did it in the 60s? < 1359244775 410075 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's principally a US thing for it to be offensive, yes. < 1359244794 766344 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, history. < 1359244807 55627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's like The Big Bang Theory but for black people instead of nerds" < 1359244828 376951 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359244849 66270 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck is with this connection < 1359244866 351969 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm already horrified. < 1359244878 441529 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway apparently they stopped the blackface in '69 < 1359244895 530163 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what blackface are you talking about? < 1359244906 38888 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show < 1359244925 931737 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now. < 1359244974 564413 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait! < 1359244983 437815 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they totally kept it up until '78 < 1359244984 760722 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1359244997 38626 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stopped it for 10 episodes < 1359245002 384098 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (by this point the blackface element had been reduced)" great < 1359245026 515411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359245035 288475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "it's like The Big Bang Theory but for black people instead of nerds" < 1359245036 368129 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last stage show was in '87 < 1359245047 590190 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :941) "it's like The Big Bang Theory but for black people instead of nerds" < 1359245058 344300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: political correctness.................. killing our wholesome black and white minstrel show rtaditions......... < 1359245078 675272 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it obviously wasn't very good at it < 1359245139 813318 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, does anyone know how carry-lookahead works < 1359245305 863323 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Todhunter < 1359245308 159516 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what a name < 1359245349 425648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: haha jesus christ at the picture of that minstrel show < 1359245350 930016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just clicked) < 1359245391 335292 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the black-and-white photo you almost don't notice it's racist < 1359245396 107949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The show appeared in a prime-time slot for twenty years, but during the 1970s its popularity declined, partly because of the style of music becoming dated and partly because of an increase in racial awareness. It was axed by the BBC after several unsuccessful attempts to change the format. Mitchell was awarded the OBE in 1975. < 1359245402 167334 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i pretty much noticed it was racist < 1359245402 407829 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359245405 591492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for cancelling your racist as hell show, here's an OBE in return < 1359245421 948683 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, he was from scotland too < 1359245428 732572 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good day for scotland in #esoteric < 1359245436 873269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're just finding out what we knew all along < 1359245440 239852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scotland is terrible < 1359245441 930635 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was he from hexham ._. < 1359245470 226322 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look man we were just happy the english had found someone else to pick on < 1359245479 688502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While the show started off being broadcast in (genuine) black-and-white, the show was one of the very first to be shown in colour on BBC Two in 1967." < 1359245485 680983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HO HO HO "(genuine)" < 1359245489 134705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HILARIOUS, WIKIPEDIA < 1359245518 277388 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents insist the snooker was the very first color programme on the BBC < 1359245521 593248 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2002/aug/29/broadcasting2 < 1359245521 810620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if they were in blackface shouldn't it be white-and-white? < 1359245529 422204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the nine years that the show was broadcast in black-and-white, the black-face makeup was actually red as black did not film very well." < 1359245535 11304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I think that was true? < 1359245540 147821 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was expecting something a bit stronger from the guardian < 1359245542 810484 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was false < 1359245545 461267 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those poor native americans < 1359245564 679461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, that reminds me, supposedly Spock was supposed to be red-faced < 1359245573 90431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that looks black in black-and-white < 1359245590 69377 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard he was supposed to be green... < 1359245594 63833 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... was star trek filmed in black and white at some point? < 1359245607 355281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it was broadcast at a time when no-one had color tv yet < 1359245619 379955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Great Firewall is now MITMing GitHub with a self-signed cert, it seems < 1359245619 866996 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh < 1359245626 289303 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice < 1359245627 377341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homebrew's curl -k looks realllly clever now < 1359245630 347348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, we can't have too many black people in Roddenberry's post-everything utopia < 1359245630 564334 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, china? < 1359245632 553732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359245637 383240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be TOO FAR < 1359245657 526221 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, omg it makes sense now < 1359245665 651283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking certs is so uncool < 1359245672 658630 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why memory alpha articles are all in the past tense < 1359245687 747017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know the first person I ever saw doing the "'curl | interpreter' to install" trick was why the lucky stiff in like... 2005-2007 < 1359245688 250294 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-present-tense utopia?? < 1359245702 519872 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surely it was done before then? < 1359245703 490843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not one of his best ideas < 1359245717 520903 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a bad idea it must have been tried before < 1359245721 653022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: if it was I didn't see it -- and most of this stuff seems to be pretty close to the "Ruby community" so I suspect they got it from him < 1359245725 309812 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but they're not there yet! < 1359245737 314943 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk still exists, although there are no breasts for it to come from < 1359245761 98236 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for bonus points, nc | interpreter < 1359245773 245153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when why did it it was disclaimed saying it was essentially a terrible idea and linking to the actual script so you could read it yourself < 1359245778 149422 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can go wrong in all the same ways, and it's easier to make it do so < 1359245779 150022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cute then < 1359245781 101210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's just depressing < 1359245796 84941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow I just looked up what curl's -k option is < 1359245798 115835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they really < 1359245810 749207 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only safe method is to save the code, /then/ read, /then/ run < 1359245820 112341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _why is a god and we must worship him < 1359245828 725938 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read it in something with no terminal control sequence injection exploits or the like < 1359245876 533809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ksplice easy install uses curl | sh :( but at least it's SSL with a real cert and not curl -k < 1359245878 741157 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -k is to not verify certs, by the look of it < 1359245881 918259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1359245883 894652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka --insecure < 1359245894 889794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a bit of proper _why worship would do a lot of these idiots good < 1359245897 475368 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's still more secure than using non-https http < 1359245908 960553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut down on a lot of ego at the very least < 1359245919 400031 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't why spontaneously combust or something < 1359245923 415556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'This option explicitly allows curl to perform "insecure" SSL connections and transfers. All SSL connections are attempted to be made secure by using the CA certificate bundle installed by default. ' < 1359245934 89940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :' This makes all connections considered "insecure" fail unless -k, --insecure is used.' < 1359245944 404128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a mind bogglingly poor explanation of what the option does < 1359245949 986106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he deleted all his accounts and went back to living as not-why the regular employed programmer < 1359245961 349002 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was probably a sensible decision < 1359245962 362190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it very nearly says that -k makes curl secure < 1359245965 775960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did he leave because the rails community is terrible or? < 1359245970 187481 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wasn't it over something petty < 1359245970 824868 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the bodhisattva < 1359245981 892585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not afaik and I don't think that would fit him < 1359245989 706608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he was ever really involved in the Rails community? < 1359245993 320471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: nobody "knows" what it was over except him and whoever knows him personally < 1359246012 32877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect he just got tired < 1359246014 294783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359246016 620813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. < 1359246020 257790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not rails but ruby? or what < 1359246026 767852 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so, how much security research is predicated on "half of the users are going to get their asses infected anyway, how do we avoid sql slammering" < 1359246027 744379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Ruby. < 1359246027 985008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well he was "involved" insofar as it is kind of hard to separate ruby from rails < 1359246031 151776 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's wearing being a celebrity even if you're a celebrity as obscure as I am < 1359246033 125070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he lives on as a normal person < 1359246033 637224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1359246035 346558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes he never did rails stuff afaik < 1359246044 39082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless mocking DHH counts as doing rails < 1359246045 41114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know Ruby was started in 1995?? < 1359246050 894381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that counts as doing god's work < 1359246053 69176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep! < 1359246065 25773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know python started in like 1990 < 1359246072 803643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that a language can be obscure for 10 years and then suddenly become hot shit in another country < 1359246077 673914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1359246080 845600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: perl is only 4 years older than python < 1359246084 944105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how amazing is that < 1359246090 245963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think with python it was less sudden though < 1359246092 943788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally learned Ruby before Rails was cool. < 1359246096 3443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359246101 623149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :python was the hip unix thing in late 1990s AIUI < 1359246105 705726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :partially due to esr I think < 1359246111 38600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that guy < 1359246115 65468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1359246115 582222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359246117 485818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the python paradox" < 1359246126 444543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was written in 2004 < 1359246130 700528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Ruby it was a combination of the fact that dave thomas randomly found out about ruby < 1359246140 262284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decided to write a whole english introduction-slash-reference-book about it for no apparent reason < 1359246144 837215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wendy's guy?? < 1359246147 527267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it had like no english documentation < 1359246148 553615 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should I feel bad for not knowing who dave thomas is? < 1359246155 118153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then DHH read it I guess < 1359246160 946135 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is fuck that guy sort of like pbuh but for esr? < 1359246161 669759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he invented wendy's, a popular American fast food restaurant < 1359246165 410310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: probably not < 1359246175 363039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he died in 2002 so "probably not the same guy" < 1359246176 845549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pbuh", what < 1359246181 266324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the pragmatic programmer guy < 1359246183 245198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "nobody" < 1359246186 971390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: so no < 1359246202 244339 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1359246208 709614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should I feel bad for knowing who dave thomas is? < 1359246209 674091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is DHH? < 1359246211 895455 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby strikes me as a rebellion against Java < 1359246213 398105 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, 'peace be upon him', muslims say it as a mark of respect for muhammed aiui < 1359246242 265160 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359246248 6882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: no < 1359246250 929459 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it should be < 1359246254 373616 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, omh < 1359246254 604623 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because well, fuck that guy < 1359246256 53737 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*omg < 1359246258 218172 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you here < 1359246268 978991 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when esr appointed himself our patriarch in absentia < 1359246281 324929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf my first initial and last name showed up in Ghost in the Shell < 1359246282 772049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ruby started in 1995, I think Java hadn't existed for long enough to warrant a rebellion against it < 1359246285 428761 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen pbuh abbreviated like that though < 1359246287 651578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: ruby is actually lisp + objects + smalltalk + perl < 1359246290 951952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in matz has actually said this < 1359246294 556318 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1359246295 872926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess + objects is redundant there < 1359246299 85115 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fucking weird equation < 1359246299 301785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallatlk *and* objects? < 1359246301 513421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: what < 1359246303 731980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's older than Java I think < 1359246304 491941 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its community has quite an attitude of "let's change the internals of things on the fly" < 1359246312 396647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because he half maintains a befunge interpreter or something < 1359246321 113539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java: 1995. Ruby: 1994 < 1359246322 145909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1359246322 653981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java: 1995. Ruby: 1995 < 1359246328 313016 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1359246330 102422 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, he made c-intercal < 1359246330 320668 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence? or conspiracy?? < 1359246330 829693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Ruby can't really be a reaction to Java at all < 1359246333 142336 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then abandoned it < 1359246334 122429 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does C++ date from? < 1359246334 340200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1359246347 346081 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and yeah, esr and I are both doing equal lack of work on C-INTERCAL atm < 1359246347 586706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: 80s < 1359246361 100185 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then knuth somehow got involved and esr's ego shot through the roof < 1359246364 35428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: C++ lay dormant for nameless millenia at the bottom of the ocean < 1359246371 443288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++ < 1359246410 50276 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in strange aeons even garbage collection may die? < 1359246420 206520 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: perhaps the easier way to explain it is, I can excuse Knuth for never having heard of me and vaguely remembering that ESR had an INTERCAL interp < 1359246429 735307 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can excuse him for never having heard of Claudio Calvelli, too < 1359246448 661445 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the J-INTERCAL guy, I can't even remember who he is < 1359246470 341874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp + objects + smalltalk + perl + cayenne pepper + potato + pinch of salt < 1359246475 559259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that INTERCAL written in J? < 1359246478 982105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be. < 1359246487 787754 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Java, sadly < 1359246495 771906 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did knuth not hear of the winner of the WOLFRAM PRIZE for PROVING WOLFRAM RIGHT < 1359246498 414265 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an INTERCAL to JVM bytecode compiler, I think < 1359246503 589319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :J is "much cooler than" Java. < 1359246510 732780 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually sounds a bit cool, scarf < 1359246517 137929 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurry up and dissuade me from this thought < 1359246519 209353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as "shachaf" < 1359246526 956758 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember having to fix a J-INTERCAL-specific bug I introduced into CADIE < 1359246536 821383 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well as being vaguely surprised that anyone bothered to try) < 1359246547 125940 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: is "fuck that guy" also the pbuh for wolfram? < 1359246555 232170 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359246556 922820 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1359246559 808380 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot < 1359246560 504014 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359246572 622314 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be disrespectful to wolfram, fuck that guy, remember to say fuck that guy < 1359246589 566908 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could personalise it < 1359246609 217005 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that guy in doubly exponential time? < 1359246616 96306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1359246637 676050 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there such a thing as tetration time < 1359246641 858962 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be imo < 1359246643 165758 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubly exponential time? is that e^e^x? < 1359246645 612190 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or e^x*2? < 1359246653 207395 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter seems a little redundant < 1359246654 695438 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^e^x, as i understand < 1359246669 656329 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course, the latter would be a constant factor, and fuck constant factors. < 1359246688 980521 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of a reddit debate about whether O(1) is or isn't the same as O(0) < 1359246701 727758 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a complete waste of time? < 1359246718 866597 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's /reddit/ < 1359246723 679281 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the purpose of being there is to waste time < 1359246732 523853 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a manner that's occasionally vaguely productive < 1359246745 602932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they talk about O(1/n)? < 1359246746 582648 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't use reddit and i've still been linked to interesting posts there! < 1359246749 685103 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(1) is the same as O(0), they're both x^0 < 1359246754 856022 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in O terms < 1359246762 32838 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiples of x^0 < 1359246778 282995 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: OTOH, O(1) definitely grows faster < 1359246784 475234 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with the standard definition in terms of limits < 1359246795 741738 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of reading things on the internet, this thing about anthropology has a guy who keeps going on about epistemology and levi-strauss, and it bugs me < 1359246800 578182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(monoids) < 1359246805 802179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(♥) < 1359246811 643225 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(<3)? < 1359246825 14045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$TEXAS < 1359246827 263649 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix(O) < 1359247532 304776 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:57: javad3v: hi < 1359247541 876796 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, apparently I've used threat-his on people too < 1359247724 269578 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote offence < 1359247725 716020 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359247737 819937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for things that go to 0 you want to use o() not O()? < 1359247742 533656 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1359247743 552216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgets this stuff < 1359247754 640907 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog offence < 1359247757 597928 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone actually remember the differences between o, O, Omega, etc. reliably? < 1359247772 161509 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use them all over the place in one of my books and it confuses the hell out of me :( < 1359247776 930078 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, o() is less than, O() is less than or equal to, capital Theta is equal to < 1359247783 838681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-24.txt:19:37:12: quintopia: Wellll, since I'm assuming you don't know what you're doing (no offence), I'd assign half a day or so to the task. 90% of that will be reading http://wiki.nginx.org/WordPress. < 1359247789 743658 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you < 1359247793 582828 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not mathematically rigorous, but easy to remembre) < 1359247794 965781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well O / Ω / Θ is easy enough < 1359247800 747340 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: take that back, please, it doesn't really sound like something to damn people over < 1359247809 136254 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, heaven you. < 1359247809 607876 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, wp sez o() is <=?? < 1359247809 825035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper / lower / both bound < 1359247814 350149 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about what you juts said < 1359247820 599241 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: O is <=, o is < < 1359247825 761584 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, bless you < 1359247827 30189 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1359247831 124919 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that sounds about right :) < 1359247849 889062 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it defines them in a different format. < 1359247853 25997 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that evens out with the damning, so along with the shitty "heaven" confusion when you die you'll probably end up in like the troposphere < 1359247891 47520 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more the sentiment expressed, whether or not anyone involved actually believes it < 1359247914 346134 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going by the literal meanings of the words involved, I'm not sure if a worse insult is even theoretically possible < 1359247918 25220 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it's considered quite mild < 1359247920 438286 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what "heaven you" would actually mean. it's kind of ungrammatical < 1359247925 22203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x dx dx, e^y dy < 1359247982 161089 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, erm, christian hell varies wildly in unpleasantness depending on who you ask. < 1359248005 666508 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: there are people who consider it pleasant? < 1359248011 580419 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would sort-of contradict the definition < 1359248019 409641 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, even dante had limbo as pretty nice < 1359248060 862869 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also lots of exciting arguments about hell and theodicy that i'm so glad i don't give a fuck about any more < 1359248095 861008 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, did we even work out whether /ˈæmbiːɛf/ is remotely usable for programming? < 1359248105 929594 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a good langugae < 1359248107 643515 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1359248116 437058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, anyway I really don't get this, it would make sense if zzo38 did it maybe. < 1359248130 373371 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to put "remotely usable for programming" in the advertising. < 1359248136 835402 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I dislike swearword decay < 1359248157 928344 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"damn"'s been pretty "decayed" since like medieval times < 1359248174 792879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: fuck that < 1359248186 555130 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, so you aren't actually personally upset by it? < 1359248199 639006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get a new computer, I'm going to put XenClient on it I think < 1359248204 777021 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I am, although I conclude that it's probably irrational to be < 1359248211 630903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do games work well under XenClient? < 1359248241 734890 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I have a lot of irrational beliefs < 1359248245 794 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: personally i'm not really that concerned but i'd rather not worry scarf if he does actually care for reasons i don't understand < 1359248303 735936 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well like I said if it was zzo38 I could maybe understand but with scarf it just seems like a weird sort of contrarianism? < 1359248305 101021 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's possible to (via dead-reckoning) always determine whether you're on an odd or an even tape element" amazing. < 1359248317 297281 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: really don't give a damn < 1359248324 500297 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1359248336 656407 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, your opinions on 'don't give a damn' < 1359248344 684636 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: put it this way: zzo38 is a lot more internally consistent than I am < 1359248352 756533 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I can't reasonably assign a meaning to it, so it doesn't bother me < 1359248386 782743 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to start cursing in dungan or something? i mean, that would be amusing so i may actually do that, but < 1359248410 574080 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit dungans are real people < 1359248414 351854 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also guess I also have several other thoughts on the matter, but they are too wide-ranging and not directly relevant, so I will save them for The Manifesto. < 1359248419 907445 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first thought was "aren't they from star wars" < 1359248428 305736 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really notice that sentence the first time through < 1359248433 192683 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dungans are pretty boss imo < 1359248434 642681 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect, isn't it somewhat ominous? < 1359248442 398337 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak chinese....... in russian < 1359248725 185563 :fungot!~fungot@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359248729 494138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss cpressey a lot < 1359248802 370054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359248809 418834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1359249020 19247 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359249041 194225 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did fizzie just... quit < 1359249048 405331 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: pingout < 1359249059 465374 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot left at the same time and didn't come back < 1359249059 705551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot please < 1359249064 399101 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in elliott-speak, rip fungot < 1359249082 924538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1359249100 762441 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fizzie doesn't... quit < 1359249110 315233 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :join in #Social-Vzla :) < 1359249120 503703 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho Franklin-Jesus < 1359249125 762423 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1359249126 242776 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359249127 967923 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359249135 160760 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Franklin-Jesus < 1359249136 964779 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franklin-Jesus: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359249142 107560 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks bro < 1359249167 186368 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my english is bad :s < 1359249187 917278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franklin-Jesus: hi please go away and stop spamming : ) < 1359249188 157509 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are u from? < 1359249194 718776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: hi please kick this guy for spamming : ) < 1359249208 394579 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow, sorry < 1359249212 768306 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was reading the navi logs < 1359249218 140569 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realise we had an actual spammer here < 1359249223 116366 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry < 1359249224 79504 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franklin-Jesus: are you a human or a bot? < 1359249231 600503 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds human enough < 1359249239 41888 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I prefer to assume it's a spambot < 1359249241 743590 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this? < 1359249244 237521 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I can have more fun Turing-testing it < 1359249248 695937 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventualy trying to get it into a botloop < 1359249281 347126 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:a*:SS):a*:SS < 1359249288 440467 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fungot isn't here < 1359249293 7427 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kick scarf for encouraging spammer < 1359249297 737100 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then kick spammer < 1359249335 395089 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359249352 321398 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:a*:SS):a*:SS < 1359249352 557257 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::a*:SS(:a*:SS):a*:SS(:a*:SS) < 1359249358 673609 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1359249363 565920 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:a~*:SS):a~*:SS < 1359249364 53168 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:a~*:SS):a~*:SS(:a~*:SS):a~*:SS < 1359249365 735531 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1359249372 915109 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to write a double-quine < 1359249381 428336 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can speak spanish and english < 1359249383 372021 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1359249392 774606 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can speak english too < 1359249399 947429 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my english is bad < 1359249411 44359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other people in here can speak other language too (and sometimes does), but is mainly in English. OK < 1359249428 645589 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok men < 1359249435 521668 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x ++ show x where x = "x ++ show x where x = " < 1359249437 250809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:13: parse error on input `where' < 1359249437 491986 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:13: parse error on input `where' < 1359249464 395170 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franklin-Jesus, what was the last thing i said < 1359249464 680030 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: hmm, is it that where doesn't work like that? < 1359249467 646095 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else? < 1359249476 368632 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: where doesn't work like that < 1359249496 616125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only works in definitions and let statements < 1359249499 761454 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1359249509 398108 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that an attempt at mirroring the structure of the Underload quine in Haskell? < 1359249518 378066 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1359249527 824434 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if such a quine can be translated almost directly into FORTH < 1359249532 3406 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing no, due to the compilation step < 1359249553 706780 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a haskell quine is main = print (x ++ show x) where x = "main = print (x ++ show x) where x = " < 1359249569 604598 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_hover: I can speak English and Spanish < 1359249587 268041 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franklin-Jesus: and you get it twice because of thutubot < 1359249593 823158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap(++)show"ap(++)show" < 1359249595 832783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ap(++)show\"ap(++)show\"" < 1359249596 314212 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ap(++)show\"ap(++)show\"" < 1359249599 868649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x y = "let x y = " ++ y ++ " in x " ++ show y in x "\"let x y = \" ++ y ++ \" in x \" ++ show y" < 1359249602 595004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "let x y = \"let x y = \" ++ y ++ \" in x \" ++ show y in x \"\\\"let x y =... < 1359249603 80558 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "let x y = \"let x y = \" ++ y ++ \" in x \" ++ show y in x \"\\\"let x y =... < 1359249604 777800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot.................................. < 1359249609 384276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ let x y = "let x y = " ++ y ++ " in x " ++ show y in x "\"let x y = \" ++ y ++ \" in x \" ++ show y" < 1359249611 560451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : let x y = "let x y = " ++ y ++ " in x " ++ show y in x "\"let x y = \" ++ y... < 1359249612 38464 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : let x y = "let x y = " ++ y ++ " in x " ++ show y in x "\"let x y = \" ++ y... < 1359249613 41961 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there two haskell bots in here < 1359249613 766161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason why an irc spambot would do anything other than spam and leave? < 1359249617 3917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That use the same damn syntax < 1359249618 449311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i did it right < 1359249627 479344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Perhaps spam and stay? < 1359249632 998098 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gain our trust < 1359249634 242290 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :always double check your code < 1359249647 594441 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand < 1359249652 297817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's thutubot and why is it evaluahaskelling? < 1359249655 745329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1 < 1359249656 951855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1359249657 431302 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1359249667 203015 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1359249668 687622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1359249668 929061 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1359249675 427990 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot..... < 1359249683 910700 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this? < 1359249684 875361 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuckoobot < 1359249686 321127 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the correct term, front-end or frontend? Backend or back-end < 1359249687 78949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1359249701 391266 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you trying to look professional < 1359249704 765475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let unsafeCoerce v = z where z :: v; z = v where aux = const v in unsafeCoerce 'a' :: Int < 1359249706 737405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `t' with `v1' < 1359249706 953722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `t' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1359249706 953957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1359249707 218927 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `t' with `v1' < 1359249707 522932 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `t' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1359249707 740106 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1359249710 235660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1359249712 936777 :Franklin-Jesus!~yarianny@201.248.241.139 PART :#esoteric < 1359249715 355938 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&) < 1359249717 14930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> b < 1359249717 256367 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> b < 1359249722 874518 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.~) < 1359249724 600856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASetter s t a b -> b -> s -> t < 1359249724 842306 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASetter s t a b -> b -> s -> t < 1359249727 320034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot who are you thutubot < 1359249728 82186 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let y = print (x ++ show x) where x = "> let y = print (x ++ show x) where x = " < 1359249730 123803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let y = print (x ++ show x) where x = "> let y = print ... < 1359249730 901316 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let y = print (x ++ show x) where x = "> let y = print ... < 1359249736 513488 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dammit < 1359249740 485146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs in y < 1359249745 100521 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, thefreedictionary.com says front-end < 1359249746 546264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does thutubot know about caleskell and lens!!!!! < 1359249751 302174 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes quinehood more complicated < 1359249752 594037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi < 1359249754 695204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a' < 1359249754 935758 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a' < 1359249760 727150 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1359249767 604658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot is just copying lambdabot?????????????????? < 1359249774 204581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> a < 1359249775 188531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defined that hi in /msg lambdabot < 1359249775 707275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1359249775 952720 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1359249778 882796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> a*3 < 1359249780 569304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a * 3 < 1359249781 91091 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a * 3 < 1359249784 536650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant believe it took you this long to figure that out < 1359249787 496994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knows about Expr too < 1359249789 224330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo < 1359249789 441505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo"]} rest:"" < 1359249789 705170 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo"]} rest:"" < 1359249793 431544 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1359249798 273288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It literally copies lambdabot < 1359249798 994430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote lambdabot < 1359249799 211551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot says: Couldn't match kind `?? -> ? -> *' against `(* -> *) -> * -> *' < 1359249799 494042 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot says: Couldn't match kind `?? -> ? -> *' against `(* -> *) -> * -> *' < 1359249801 236190 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imo you should make lambdabot say something funny < 1359249806 517659 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a pun! < 1359249811 380378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "a pun" < 1359249812 880525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a pun" < 1359249813 192357 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a pun" < 1359249824 919699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo i can't because i'm not a lmabdaobot admin???? < 1359249829 661311 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-0 < 1359249834 693884 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :-) < 1359249834 934960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "try elliott" < 1359249848 887064 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :badlmaobot < 1359249907 765361 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "" < 1359249907 982393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg monqy something funny < 1359249909 662124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:2: < 1359249909 953542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '\S... < 1359249910 197715 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:2: < 1359249910 414650 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '\S... < 1359249931 323695 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maobot sounds like a good bot < 1359249932 810304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: What's going on with thutubot? < 1359249944 643240 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: it's a long-standing bug < 1359249948 383850 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it repeats everything lambdabot says < 1359249954 993402 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bug" < 1359249958 239859 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never bothered to fix it because I bring it in here so rarely < 1359249962 740087 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1359249966 410616 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty awesome bug < 1359249969 428854 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :test failed < 1359249974 531082 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :yap < 1359250014 353282 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1359250018 520938 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, IRC doesn't work like that < 1359250032 700977 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't be bothered to forge the message from the server < 1359250048 241010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC doesn't work like that scarf < 1359250048 482689 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC doesn't work like that scarf < 1359250088 800125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, ...why does it do that < 1359250092 58118 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... why < 1359250103 450801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty random bug < 1359250128 74662 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug in an easter egg / hidden feature that once successfully trolled elliott < 1359250134 758725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1359250136 13637 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the easter egg works any more < 1359250138 596974 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the bug still exists < 1359250148 683305 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+haskell 2+2 < 1359250151 348258 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359250161 189326 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+quit < 1359250165 853706 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359250167 892667 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1359250169 337670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+quit < 1359250179 52538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm :( < 1359250180 556374 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359250182 785751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maobot is a bot to play Mao, I guess? < 1359250183 507960 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1359250184 311163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1359250185 781337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : FreeFull: hmm, is it that where doesn't work like that? <-- hugs (rip) supported that syntax < 1359250195 474309 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode have changed how they mark someone as identified < 1359250197 477344 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh i was thinking communist but that would be good too < 1359250209 363638 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What does the haskell 98 specification say? < 1359250215 650051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip hugs < 1359250216 614825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rugs < 1359250230 494996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: The Haskell Report says that's not an expression. < 1359250308 558799 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, is it standard to write "fuck" immediately after screwing up an oko pyramid? < 1359250324 610496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I don't know anything about standards < 1359250327 65181 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So it's a lambdabot problem? < 1359250327 583177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it because it's annoying < 1359250334 457431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because lambdabot only does expressions < 1359250334 996779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: No. < 1359250338 357765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in their native channel there is a bot that kicks you when it happens < 1359250340 366730 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than ghci magicry < 1359250343 432516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there's anything standard it's probably that < 1359250346 764936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, it wouldn't work in ghci either. < 1359250365 671860 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1359250366 399628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let quine = x ++ show x where x = "x ++ show x where x = " in quine < 1359250368 619572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "x ++ show x where x = \"x ++ show x where x = \"" < 1359250382 345156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works in let expressions < 1359250384 19449 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has things other than expressions? < 1359250401 774381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: x = y isn't an expression < 1359250591 81606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: is thutubot's code available? < 1359250616 437503 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know; it's available in the sense that I don't mind posting it < 1359250640 949306 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I put it on sprunge or somewhere? < 1359250649 655175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes please < 1359250705 641519 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do pattern matching in an if? < 1359250717 758191 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in in the condition < 1359250718 479403 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/JTUW?thutu < 1359250738 390065 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see how old the codebase is just by looking at the IRC commands < 1359250749 928017 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last modified oct 10 2008 < 1359250810 313344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: that contains a password hth < 1359250860 887200 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bleh < 1359250884 279657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> if a <- x then a else 3) 4 < 1359250885 782156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:13: parse error on input `<-' < 1359250889 13072 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1359250890 942352 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing it was a single use insecure one < 1359250932 537479 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359250951 464209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: in the line /^=:lambdabot=![^ ]* PRIVMSG [^ ]* =:(.*?)(=r)?=x/--PRIVMSG =#esoteric =:$1=r=n=x/ < 1359250954 27286 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what the hell is that supposed to do, don't you need a do block < 1359250957 25183 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> let a | (b,3) <- a = 0 | otherwise = 3 in a x) (4,3) < 1359250959 41121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The function `a' is applied to one argument, < 1359250959 257897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : but its type `(t0, t1)' has n... < 1359250959 474838 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The function `a' is applied to one argument, < 1359250959 475011 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : but its type `(t0, t1)' has n... < 1359250963 742010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :change the second [^ ] to [^# ] < 1359250974 883693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think) < 1359250977 164172 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359250987 127298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which syntax did hugs support? < 1359251002 201976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs> x where x = 5 < 1359251002 443792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1359251027 506523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an expression? or as a REPL special case? < 1359251035 866214 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: password changed < 1359251047 751516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPL special case < 1359251051 362438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: what about my bugfix suggestion? < 1359251058 502421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: can you update the sprunge accordingly? < 1359251064 855308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that is more sane < 1359251069 671781 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's using lamdabot commands that don't even exist < 1359251071 960407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----### < 1359251074 144227 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it needs more of a fix than that < 1359251098 221144 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks like my practice of using weak but unique passwords for things that might be pastebinned accidentally has paid off < 1359251100 393172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run exists too < 1359251102 353817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `exists'Not in scope: `too' < 1359251102 582139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1359251102 582305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1359251113 871582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in haskell 1.old, where was an expression < 1359251118 466802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (x where x = ()) was a valid expr < 1359251134 13240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they remove it? too much parsing ambiguity? < 1359251157 929956 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take the Verity approach and require parens at the least sign of ambiguity < 1359251161 691959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds kind of ambiguous to me. < 1359251186 289129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it isn't ambiguous on its own, it's definitely ambiguous if ou want it to work for the things current-where works for. < 1359251188 495135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: @run exists. but all my fix is trying to do is to ignore lambdabot messages sent to channels. < 1359251194 361561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\34' < 1359251196 556610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scoping over multiple bindings and all that. < 1359251196 850805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '"' < 1359251202 946887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect < 1359251213 699278 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can take over maintaining thutubot if you like < 1359251223 446108 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although actually knowing thutu would be helpful < 1359251231 442730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: who knows < 1359251239 609192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well where is useful because you can go across multiple clauses < 1359251255 437207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey there have been haskell versions where all they did was make things worse by ruining them when they were good before < 1359251259 607082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who knows??? < 1359251392 902223 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1359251417 987471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember Haskell 1.4? < 1359251419 916310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good times. < 1359251437 457939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: well my main point in asking for the code was to see if that bug was trivial to fix, and it looked to me like it was, based only on the fact that there was a part of the regexp which obviously matches the recipient. < 1359251447 576141 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are a bunch of trivial to fix bugs < 1359251449 73365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = print (y ++ init $ show y ++ "\34 in x") where y = "let x = print (y ++ init $ show y ++ \"34 in x\") where y = " in x < 1359251450 783041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]' < 1359251451 20153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual ty... < 1359251481 185875 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, remember when this channel was active enough that we had to make #esoteric-blah for spammy things? < 1359251485 732972 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = print (y ++ (init $ show y) ++ "\34 in x") where y = "let x = print (y ++ (init $ show y) ++ \"34 in x\") where y = " in x < 1359251486 711642 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :active and ontopic enough, that is < 1359251487 496315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO ())) < 1359251487 713407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ... < 1359251492 698013 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dammit < 1359251500 674370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One last try < 1359251511 16332 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = (y ++ (init $ show y) ++ "\34 in x") where y = "let x = (y ++ (init $ show y) ++ \"34 in x\") where y = " in x < 1359251513 778988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "let x = (y ++ (init $ show y) ++ \"34 in x\") where y = \"let x = (y ++ (i... < 1359251525 78595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite < 1359251534 940713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise I gave a working quine along those lines before... < 1359251566 524375 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ ap (++) show "> text $ ap (++) show " < 1359251568 320225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text $ ap (++) show "> text $ ap (++) show " < 1359251580 97303 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> x ++ "\"" ++ x ++ "\"") "(\x -> x ++ show x)" < 1359251581 787694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:36: < 1359251582 5755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character ' ' < 1359251583 34121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Sorry, you need to start the line with a space. < 1359251587 367305 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that was dumb, nevermind < 1359251631 949538 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1359251673 600186 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo space < 1359251674 804621 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :space < 1359251692 829745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo space < 1359251697 547086 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a working lambdabot quine technically is something like > fix (\x -> x ++ show x) "> fix (\x -> x ++ show x)" < 1359251705 815519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fungot hi < 1359251706 32394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359251706 32580 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1359251714 865604 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no < 1359251720 741606 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's seems fine to me. < 1359251724 523010 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't take into consideration that lambdabot stringifies everything < 1359252203 615494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/233673/lexical-closures-in-python < 1359252205 462268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Python < 1359252213 745751 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run function x { printf "%s%q" "$1" "$1"; }; x \`run\ function\ x\ \{\ printf\ \"%s%q\"\ \"\$1\"\ \"\$1\"\;\ \}\;\ x\ < 1359252214 987670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`run function x { printf "%s%q" "$1" "$1"; }; x \`run\ function\ x\ \{\ printf\ \"%s%q\"\ \"\$1\"\ \"\$1\"\;\ \}\;\ x\ < 1359252228 438603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359252251 914211 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fuck python < 1359252253 863128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/1022976 < 1359252310 675191 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for the love of god why do people keep using for loops for this garbage < 1359252333 872763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have a better looping operator? < 1359252346 21990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python for is more aptly described as foreach < 1359252355 696374 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about map < 1359252363 168974 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people expect the variable to be rebound, i honestly don't get it < 1359252400 250663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because in good languages it is? < 1359252404 748546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure seems like mutability causes a lot of bugs and misconception due to its fundamentally bad nature for structuring programs huh < 1359252407 874348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh huh huh < 1359252410 45778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is yes < 1359252410 262402 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C it's an obvious goto loop, in Python it's a slightly less obvious goto loop < 1359252425 313297 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo shut your face elliott < 1359252429 634897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you even like a lisper. what are you < 1359252438 584843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisper I think < 1359252439 788978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose your fucking side so I can shoot you if it's the wrong one < 1359252451 127792 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1359252453 194980 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it "wrong" < 1359252461 332031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you're afraid of judgement < 1359252464 462516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps this isnt even about the for loop any more < 1359252468 318466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to know whether to hate you or not < 1359252470 86138 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets the fucking variable, you're using fucking python, you know what assignment is < 1359252470 808569 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :BiKE iS A sCHeMEr < 1359252473 16237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good thing to know right < 1359252473 500174 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hate me ok < 1359252476 260978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I already do < 1359252478 774370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just refining it okay < 1359252482 553691 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it more < 1359252483 519447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed me the information!!!! < 1359252484 42737 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE ME MORE < 1359252486 210619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEED ME < 1359252489 824822 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M RIGHT HERE < 1359252494 754092 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE ME NOW < 1359252496 437381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT GETTING FED < 1359252498 890091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359252500 861320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. hungry < 1359252504 441270 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this what gay sex is like < 1359252510 432741 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay PLT sex < 1359252512 845413 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sad, sad sight < 1359252546 511727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so I'm just going to take Sgeo's word and assume you're a CLer unless you state otherwise < 1359252553 81386 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also the example is always that "what if want to accumulate a list of closures in a loop" thing that i've never seen in real code but i guess somebody might use it somewhere??? < 1359252553 560257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand why you wouldn't say it yourself since it's pretty embarrassing < 1359252560 44172 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1359252569 685562 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think i should make some anti-scheme joke here but i don't know any < 1359252578 699289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well have you ever read the CL spec < 1359252580 148496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really read < 1359252582 570964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean wow < 1359252587 677139 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it < 1359252594 831927 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is scared of the hyper. < 1359252596 278071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait Bike is a CLer?? < 1359252596 762145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'm working on a problem (for some website that does stuff) and I want to accumulate a list of closures. < 1359252597 761545 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the hyperspec, not ansi, i don't have money < 1359252598 302924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you Bike < 1359252598 784919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's the thing where your language isn't elegant *or* practical!! < 1359252607 356457 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359252611 808692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really in a for loop particularly, but the corresponding list comprehension also had that issue < 1359252614 85134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty bad place to be in imo < 1359252632 627802 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, common lisp is so bad, even paul graham doesn't use it < 1359252644 337952 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels, like, a hundred years old < 1359252647 630349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's the language du jour? < 1359252665 852466 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why. explain < 1359252668 61687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, codeeval doesn't accept Smalltalk solutions nor Racket solutions < 1359252678 950871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So back to Java? < 1359252689 760078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, want to take a tuple and for each of 4 directions get a new tuple < 1359252709 685186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids monoids monoids monoids monoids monoids < 1359252710 649699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy < 1359252715 142526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I forgot how to think imperatively < 1359252716 646095 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you closing over < 1359252727 256627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The direction < 1359252743 589707 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you just accumulate the tuples? < 1359252745 541064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also there's the thing whereby people call CL a functional language. < 1359252750 231617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're stupid. < 1359252753 310116 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: trust me that annoys us too < 1359252755 676038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote common.lisp < 1359252756 897072 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359252759 779782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes but then the thing is... < 1359252763 328706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote common < 1359252764 824807 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :31) is there a problem with it being carbonized :D yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" \ 616) Just about all females often feel that exactly why all Hollywood stars common maintain its brightness as Tom in spite of frantic operate routine and large operate pressure from the skin. What do you th < 1359252766 810936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the joke is on you for using a language that isn't functional < 1359252771 191322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while realising it isn't < 1359252771 900612 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1359252781 220144 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could i be so wrong < 1359252785 835199 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Sgeo < 1359252788 198017 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :54) What else is there to vim besides editing commands? \ 68) Where's the link to the log? THERE'S NO LOG. YOUR REQUEST IS SUSPICIOUS AND HAS BEEN LOGGED. \ 101) And... WTF is it doing. :( Is it sexing? \ 110) what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Muta < 1359252799 485834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i heard your language of choice doesn't use {- -} comments............................................. < 1359252809 296871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(creegan) < 1359252819 851788 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :{- -} looks like a smiley < 1359252820 561994 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought if you talked about comment syntax kmc punched you until you were dead. < 1359252822 111583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lo, you think you have transcended the blub, but nay, i knoweth the blub that surpasseth even that which paul graham divined < 1359252825 258180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps it's common lisp haskell forever < 1359252834 654219 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you high < 1359252845 512576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher up in the language food chain than you yes < 1359252846 967910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's high on functional programming < 1359252862 89977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw haskell is the worst language < 1359252881 689451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you prove false?? < 1359252890 94319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda 4ever < 1359252910 179525 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, i didn't mention i usually use CL because language arguments are dumb and i think everyone here is well aware of that and i'd rather listen to bizarre-ass jokes about oh let's say intuitionistic logic < 1359252920 393003 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-jokes, rather < 1359252927 715213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but i need the occasional flamewar < 1359252933 322114 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 616 < 1359252934 312689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :616) Just about all females often feel that exactly why all Hollywood stars common maintain its brightness as Tom in spite of frantic operate routine and large operate pressure from the skin. What do you think that they have got sufficient time to observe all attractiveness strategies and tips that his grandmother utilized to abide by? < 1359252934 649482 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok < 1359252941 192290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i still respect you as a person < 1359252948 213567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have to hate you for being a cl user < 1359252949 634402 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's funny < 1359252963 897968 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'elliott ruined me with constructivism' part 7: i have a logic module this term < 1359252966 804247 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's classical < 1359252976 571351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: by the way by "usually use CL" do you mean "pretend to use CL on IRC because nobody actually uses it for real programs" 8) < 1359252980 175103 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apart from wrt DCSS, is there anything we really disagree with each other on, to flamewar levels? < 1359252992 597834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: do you acknowledge that @ is the best thing in the universe < 1359252997 695979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, on the other hand, hates elliott as a person but respects him for being a Haskell user. < 1359253000 826020 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roguelike design in general? < 1359253034 696532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all roguelikes are bad < 1359253038 286054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except robotfindskitten?? < 1359253059 811901 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pop zen is bad < 1359253090 347285 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually played a few minutes of Crawl this week. < 1359253092 961307 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to be serious for half a second, it's because as a dumbass undergrad i don't really have "real programs" to write anyway, and i don't know shit about "real programs". < 1359253094 457601 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first time in months < 1359253115 910742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow way to give away your approximate age range < 1359253119 74449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the fucking mystery Bike < 1359253122 261911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: elliott doesn't write "real programs" either. < 1359253124 426778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't appreciate subtlety. JUST LIKE COMMON LISP < 1359253132 100394 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, shachaf. < 1359253136 743623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That doesn't give your age range away? < 1359253148 145598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr is an undergrad and he's 40-something. < 1359253151 76172 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programs are only written by the hardcorest of AI lab hackers, on mount esr < 1359253172 844579 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this reminds me that i should look at those ancient AI programs written in CL again < 1359253173 205707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It does modulo outliers? < 1359253177 12162 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are completely fucking unreadable) < 1359253183 63588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike isn't an outlier. < 1359253186 176191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/?/ < 1359253192 866054 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i ?? < 1359253199 895121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359253206 425092 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1359253210 927678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway should I be an undergrad? < 1359253216 362758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I be an outlier? < 1359253222 534264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an undergrad isn't so great < 1359253227 253696 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being an undergrad sucks, just learn metalworking or something instead. < 1359253242 833202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike is younger than me actually :P < 1359253252 994757 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you like 600 years old? < 1359253264 348399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aren't you like 21 < 1359253265 294578 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not familiar with reptilian aging honestly. < 1359253272 553476 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop making fun of me, I'm not that old ;-; < 1359253287 888163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you an overgrad < 1359253296 595269 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't look a day over 500, babe < 1359253296 869933 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: depends on how you look at it < 1359253298 331472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in soviet russia, are you a leningrad < 1359253308 690044 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that is < 1359253364 940012 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1359253368 789914 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo volgograd > leningrad < 1359253369 974596 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm only 23... that's... not really old... < 1359253375 919531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: uhh that's pretty old < 1359253388 432408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :most mathematicians are burnt out by the time they're 23 < 1359253391 73869 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, did you ever meet Lincoln? < 1359253399 629371 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knew like everybody right? < 1359253403 529211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: galois was dead for 3 years by the time he was your age "fyi" < 1359253423 653905 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he had true love. Do you have true love, Fiora? < 1359253435 464029 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1359253454 838058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :·_· < 1359253456 59742 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and something about polynomials, i guess < 1359253530 443319 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things are named after galois < 1359253552 898861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm old < 1359253553 882249 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1359253556 252783 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359253556 962535 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever looked at Wikipedia's article on things named after Euler? < 1359253558 781163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: galois was named after galois for example < 1359253561 392917 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I open it and just sob. < 1359253563 93146 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1359253574 648520 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things are named after Euler too yes < 1359253580 672686 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359253589 693996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about things named after < 1359253591 178724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project Euler, euler's constant, euler-something constant, euler euler euler < 1359253593 487764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICOLAAS DE BRUIJN < 1359253608 888985 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :de bruijn's name is probably cooler than euler's and galois's combined, yeah < 1359253611 339577 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember in complex analysis every single thing in the class had cauchy's name on it < 1359253616 231195 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few things are named after de bruijn < 1359253618 450548 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm barely exaggerating) < 1359253625 544102 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also really like Catalan for some reason < 1359253628 679207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DE BRUIJN: "COOLEST MATHEMATICIAN"????? "IMO YES" < 1359253633 320195 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because Catalonia is a mystical Spanish thing i don't understand < 1359253645 480549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also because combinatorics is pretty cool, imo) < 1359253652 533362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love combinatorics < 1359253663 981094 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf, this is not a special occasion. < 1359253673 509234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1359253681 382618 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatorics is not easy! < 1359253688 216145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was easy! < 1359253694 856286 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were implying it. < 1359253699 73787 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utterances have context, shachaf! < 1359253703 820871 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible, horrible contexts. < 1359253716 182165 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatorics is easy < 1359253733 375252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Given that I *refrained* from saying it was easy, you might infer that I was implying the opposite. < 1359253733 592268 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Cauchy also has an advantage in that the Cauchy integral formula is the coolest thing to come out of math since negation < 1359253739 215767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Also I don't know much about combinatorics. :-( < 1359253746 134977 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "pretty cool, imo" < 1359253749 107883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo too < 1359253756 964530 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google Analytic Combinatorics, it's free and also awesome. < 1359253761 840865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you know combinatorics is related to, like, types < 1359253764 888834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all over the place" < 1359253771 543397 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't everything related to, like, types? < 1359253779 259982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatorics comes up a lot. < 1359253812 276399 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should actually finish A=B (as if i'd understand it) < 1359253821 729174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare a b < 1359253822 934609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what kind of negation are we talking here < 1359253823 658354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : LT < 1359253835 585829 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or find some hip new book on combinatypics, thus earning back the trust of this channel < 1359253847 82792 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the kind with numbers that are "less than" "zero" < 1359253849 635228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: man, Zeilberger, am I right? < 1359253854 457094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I hate that kind of negation < 1359253857 407371 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are, like, so right, man. < 1359253857 624368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical ngeation is cool though < 1359253864 505654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so right < 1359253866 264214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am always right < 1359253872 46886 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were a constructivist!!! < 1359253883 549813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, yes! < 1359253886 241353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Actually there's remarkably little information about it. :-( < 1359253886 758521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> _|_) is pretty cool < 1359253889 115146 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those guys are pretty far left < 1359253895 301022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should become a combiantorist-turned-type-theorist and publish papers. < 1359253902 361828 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ramanunjan was pretty cool < 1359253904 313807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't you think??? < 1359253904 823882 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuitionist hippies < 1359253911 631454 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "pretty cool, imo" < 1359253915 290006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about (α → ⊥) → ⊥ < 1359253919 235517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because negation is like < 1359253921 479847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :contravariance < 1359253921 967614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that's cooler than α < 1359253923 551759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other way around < 1359253930 810580 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't think I'm going to go into math. If I can work types into what I want to do all the better though. < 1359253943 118807 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I can't decide if I hate Zeilberger's webpage. < 1359253955 195236 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent a function that does _|_ -> a < 1359253959 203776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only works on bottom < 1359253972 199383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa zeilberger has a new webpage < 1359253977 389152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the last time I saw it < 1359253978 708927 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tort law IN THE TYPE SYSTEM < 1359253981 507132 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand it's a trillion percent better than the average academic site. On the other, he knows what I did last summer, and in many of my previous lives. < 1359253992 813703 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he does not take prisoners. < 1359253996 866773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe because Catalonia is a mystical Spanish thing i don't understand <-- don't tell the catalonians they are spanish hth < 1359254001 210921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this website used to be much better < 1359254002 175512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., worse < 1359254006 135885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of visual appearance < 1359254009 65142 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Haskell's type system turing-complete? < 1359254023 602885 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I assumed. < 1359254030 147525 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: What would that mean < 1359254035 43675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no < 1359254043 250220 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inference is computable isn't it < 1359254050 641774 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for some weird types that are maybe ghc only? < 1359254057 983951 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just don't know" < 1359254059 220827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i refer to http://web.archive.org/web/20110614084818/http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/ < 1359254068 862186 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google ghc undecidable < 1359254070 552143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/haskell-prime/wiki/UndecidableInstances < 1359254070 768743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: UndecidableInstances – Haskell Prime < 1359254072 479578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: GHC's type system is a very different thing from Haskell's. < 1359254073 684592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ps YOUR IGNORANCE IS TYPICAL OF ONE WHO USES A LANGUAGE WITH A HORRENDOUSLY CRIPPLED TYPE SYSTEM < 1359254077 598499 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know. < 1359254095 625759 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does haskell have types with uncomputable membership??? don't think so < 1359254107 740940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what does uncomputable mean here < 1359254112 776032 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok i like his new site better jesus christ is this green on blue < 1359254132 466367 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can express russell's paradox in the type system! "yay" < 1359254150 795524 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, the set in question, I suppose. < 1359254151 36170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also don't tell the spanish the catalonians _aren't_ spanish, hth < 1359254159 591227 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Again, somehow I expected this. < 1359254160 66749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys should i sleep < 1359254162 432774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda feel like i should < 1359254167 264020 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep sucks imo < 1359254203 633302 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep is wonderful and you should do it < 1359254207 289382 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "no" > "yes" < 1359254208 606639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1359254214 985605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: but it's also kind of terrible!!! < 1359254219 607850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when you're asleep it means you're not awake, see < 1359254225 931008 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> True > False < 1359254227 614923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1359254235 91874 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott remember back when i was terrified of sleeping < 1359254250 462385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why Bool is an instance of Ord but ok < 1359254252 96057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey want to do the thing < 1359254252 818338 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it would help I could link you a paper on injecting yourself with things that maybe don't actually remove pain in surgery, and then you couldn't sleep. < 1359254255 470651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: one day you will die : ) < 1359254266 459973 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a threat < 1359254276 516227 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So, plot twist. Turns out Catalan... is Belgian. < 1359254280 208249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (actually not now but later so maybe not because maybe you'll be asleep but who knows) < 1359254280 999418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it',zs a threat.... from mother nature < 1359254292 367067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure tomorrow < 1359254293 332382 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr max [False,False,True] < 1359254294 56758 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, was. He died at some point I guess? < 1359254294 780308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show < 1359254294 996809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([[GHC.Types.Bool]] -> [... < 1359254303 24539 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr max [] [False,False,True] < 1359254303 988711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why would I inject myself with something that maybe doesn't actually remove pain!! < 1359254304 953665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' < 1359254305 194666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `GHC.Type... < 1359254307 604927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to have a surgerys < 1359254310 598347 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr max False [False,False,True] < 1359254310 840724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't tell the belgians they are spanish either. < 1359254312 286186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1359254331 492829 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, a naive or < 1359254375 727917 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr max False $ replicate (10^6) False < 1359254377 413892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1359254389 583781 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr max False $ replicate (10^7) False < 1359254391 753551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1359254419 284728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :replicate takes an Int < 1359254427 988769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: THE MYSTERY IS KEEPING ME AWAKE HELP < 1359254432 337678 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maximum $ replicate (10^7) False < 1359254436 717160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1359254441 774045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> max True undefined < 1359254443 767881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254445 456307 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell is awesome" < 1359254456 398700 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> max undefined True < 1359254458 180130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254458 932387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Max isn't lazy on the second argument < 1359254462 665268 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the first < 1359254472 954988 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be < 1359254482 495993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if compare is. < 1359254486 453437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it *can* be. < 1359254493 128107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> max (undefined :: ()) (undefined :: ()) < 1359254495 89224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254496 53292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you do a lazy compare? < 1359254499 818527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> max (undefined :: ()) () < 1359254501 556377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254503 766113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> max (()) (undefined :: ()) < 1359254505 476052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254507 886025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, it behaves badly there < 1359254508 370929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare True undefined < 1359254510 406793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254516 510361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the derived instances suck < 1359254517 239597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare False undefined < 1359254517 475900 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((((()))))) < 1359254519 403203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254519 619962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1359254522 297931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: for instance, compare _ _ = EQ < 1359254523 260710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for () < 1359254527 727070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare undefined True < 1359254529 437546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254532 645118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare undefined False < 1359254534 97492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1359254539 732740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :( < 1359254557 453772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry. @ definitions are maximally lazy. < 1359254562 230743 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Ord < 1359254562 448049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Eq a) => Ord a where < 1359254562 448255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : compare :: a -> a -> Ordering < 1359254562 448363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (<), (<=), (>), (>=) :: a -> a -> Bool < 1359254562 448470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : max, min :: a -> a -> a < 1359254562 665585 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wouldn't that only be after the other pattern matches though < 1359254569 842081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what < 1359254574 225348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one value of type () < 1359254593 55646 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1359254595 506174 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right < 1359254611 571594 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(\() -> ()) -> ()) () < 1359254613 66976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:4: Parse error in pattern: \ () -> () < 1359254629 7978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yay! < 1359254630 941631 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\((\() -> ()) -> ()) -> ()) () < 1359254632 621256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1359254644 245949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they should use amb for full effect < 1359254652 697985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, clearly < 1359254655 117609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs performance or sanity < 1359254657 45243 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is great for base zero arithmetic < 1359254673 52464 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have to define a num instance < 1359254683 208877 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is the counterpart to _|_ < 1359254696 465604 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is () top? < 1359254698 830417 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cobottom < 1359254751 793809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1359254752 10701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1359254754 806603 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1359254755 24812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1359254820 229068 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't define an instance in a let expression, can you < 1359254847 145100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359254850 274521 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/reflection/blob/master/examples/Monoid.hs < 1359254856 543449 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unless you're edwardk" < 1359254878 727810 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1359254886 100146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1359254898 988469 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm starting to sense a pattern. < 1359254899 227433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to make a Num instance for () < 1359254913 433724 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, the chemical shuts down your muscles. That's basically like sleep, right? < 1359254961 447209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the spanish were big on conquering things, hth < 1359255002 224061 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Num () where { ()+()=(); ()*()=(); negate ()=(); abs ()=(); signum ()=(); fromInteger _ =(); } < 1359255042 170644 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Am I allowed to tell conquering things that they are Spanish? < 1359255045 788243 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the worst instance ever < 1359255053 630161 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not at all lazy < 1359255067 172044 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it forms a group!!! < 1359255072 542734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you use two spaces afte ra . too < 1359255075 988055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you disgust me. should i sleep < 1359255077 518379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell maybe a ring, i forget < 1359255087 269037 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I READ IT IN A STYLE GUIDE ONCE OKAY < 1359255093 863459 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Num has no laws but okay < 1359255123 894565 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs laws when we have axioms < 1359255126 892273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Num () where { _+_=(); _*_=(); negate _=(); abs _=(); signum _=(); fromInteger _ =(); } < 1359255133 517230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better, Jafet? < 1359255151 812964 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good instance imo < 1359255175 325353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1359255178 705046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably wouldn't work < 1359255182 602035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: style guide more like < 1359255185 803455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sterile LIED < 1359255188 697794 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1359255193 76218 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci doesn't complain < 1359255195 763989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1359255200 786523 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Num instances are approved by a jury panel who give it a three-part score on originality, aesthetic merit, and use of applicative functors < 1359255203 529040 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa man that hurts :( < 1359255207 170769 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works < 1359255207 388807 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was that a disapproving hi < 1359255208 915912 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1359255218 777634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no it was an "im back hi" < 1359255224 466036 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ must be treated specially when next to other +"&$*"£!"* < 1359255224 948026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Not every hi has to be disapproving! < 1359255225 671971 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello i am here < 1359255283 276903 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Num () where (+)=const$const undefined; (*)=const$const undefined; negate=const undefined; abs=const undefined; signum=const undefined; fromInteger=const undefined < 1359255299 365984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Num () where < 1359255309 83015 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aesthetically unmeritous sorry < 1359255324 19444 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is the wrong kind for Functor < 1359255379 739548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can't be Applicative either ): < 1359255385 288090 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Later, in 1849, Catalan was visited at his home by the French Police, searching for illicit teaching material;" < 1359255413 497353 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: how about Const () < 1359255425 954865 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: how about Proxy < 1359255447 194235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you hear Proxy was in base briefly but now they're maybe taking it out again < 1359255447 714934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But something that is the correct kind for Functor is the wrong kind for Num. < 1359255452 831551 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::info Const < 1359255461 788947 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Const < 1359255462 6148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const < 1359255468 649310 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real useful lambdabot < 1359255469 210473 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many fucking bot prefixes are the- oh. < 1359255480 319855 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Const < 1359255482 109181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Const a b < 1359255487 736745 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1359255588 976967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: newtype Const a b = Const a < 1359255606 331390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf.: const a b = a < 1359255620 15912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the names I don't like much so I would prefer Finalize instead of Proxy, Succ instead of Maybe, Nat8 instead of Word8, and so on. But, I don't know, what is your opinions of such things? < 1359255625 310195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sounds unwise hth < 1359255638 507999 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a weird type but what do I know? that's right NOTHING *sobs* < 1359255640 934868 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks < 1359255652 403236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's a great type! < 1359255672 36074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's even an Applicative functor. < 1359255689 882224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Monoid x) => Alternative (Const x) actually you can have too. < 1359255741 679409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ must be treated specially when next to other +"&$*"£!"* <-- _ belongs to the alphanumeric group of characters, not the operator ones < 1359255754 730255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const does have another meaning too, which is that (Codensity (Const x)) is like (Cont x) < 1359255760 354818 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see < 1359255838 20515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to know where Const is defined though < 1359255858 83009 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Const < 1359255858 339823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My pet ferret can type better than you! < 1359255863 628546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (Density (Const x)) like (Store x) < 1359255866 318956 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeak < 1359255879 368127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> t (0$0 `Const`) < 1359255881 392804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1359255884 337159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> t (0$0 `Const`) < 1359255886 75189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1359255892 741907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359255895 742183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 `Const`) < 1359255897 498642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Applicative.Const' [infixl 9] of a section < 1359255897 746250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must ... < 1359255904 596428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there you go < 1359255911 315431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (CodensityAsk (Const x)) like ((->) x) < 1359255920 540515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...@hoogle might have been easier, mind you. < 1359255931 318626 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Const < 1359255931 843393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude const :: a -> b -> a < 1359255932 60141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function const :: a -> b -> a < 1359255932 60237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative Const :: a -> Const a b < 1359255960 618690 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does Haskell have S built in too < 1359255966 413065 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Heheh, using a syntax error < 1359255973 356784 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> t < 1359255975 447447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t < 1359255979 469991 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> t 3 < 1359255981 6378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The function `Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.t' < 1359255981 300487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : is applied to one argument, < 1359255981 300686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : but... < 1359255991 407074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even, (Free (Const x)) like (Either x) < 1359256018 785649 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Control.Applicative.Const' < 1359256068 335031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it actually makes a lot of things! < 1359256108 230835 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo, this would mean a lot more to me if I understood anything, but I don't. < 1359256109 712943 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry! < 1359256141 963173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It has ap. < 1359256148 832959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap f g x :: Expr < 1359256150 660864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1359256150 877833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1359256150 877946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1359256158 242078 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cool" < 1359256159 523050 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap < 1359256160 968842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1359256164 676327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap (f :: Expr -> Expr) (g :: Expr -> Expr) x :: Expr < 1359256166 387641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1359256166 604070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1359256177 58218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap (f :: Expr -> Expr -> Expr) (g :: Expr -> Expr) x :: Expr < 1359256178 794341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : f x (g x) < 1359256187 986901 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359256202 526927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 0 = x 0; x n = (x (n-1),x (n-1)) in x 3 < 1359256205 975481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 = (t0, t1)Occurs check... < 1359256231 95497 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 0 = x 0; x n = (x (n-1),()) in x 3 < 1359256233 106482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t0 = (t0, ()) < 1359256251 902907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know if you press G in less while you're looking at a file it'll read to the end, tail -f-style? < 1359256260 742758 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 0 = x 0; x n = ((),()) in x 3 < 1359256262 928895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((),()) < 1359256263 155792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also has actual tail -f mode, of course.) < 1359256266 845577 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 0 = x 0; x n = ((),()) in x 0 < 1359256267 85413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1359256270 342420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1359256274 1059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking for that the other day < 1359256290 626310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can there be any monoid (not monad) transformers which is not applicative? < 1359256294 358612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: What are you playing at? < 1359256300 220305 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1359256341 778786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Control.Applicative.Const' <-- that's the whole qualified name, not the module < 1359256353 269759 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, duh < 1359256359 893968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a monoid transformer? < 1359256410 619201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 'composition' and 'direct product' are monoid transformers? < 1359256469 417928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transformers are annoying. :-( < 1359256476 867221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like there shouldn't be very many monoid transformers < 1359256477 346033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicatives don't need transformers. < 1359256587 747493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean applicative transformers. But applicatives make monoid transformers too. < 1359256712 602618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is a monoid transformer? < 1359256861 229613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is a language more sexist than Hebrew? < 1359256863 397457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language is best known for its system of noun classes, numbering four in total. They tend to be divided among the following semantic lines: < 1359256866 465504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I - most animate objects, men < 1359256868 692230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :II - women, water, fire, violence, and exceptional animals[3] < 1359256871 381020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :III - edible fruit and vegetables < 1359256873 821266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IV - miscellaneous (includes things not classifiable in the first three) < 1359256887 132572 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like it was probably misunderstood by whoever wrote that down. < 1359256891 753517 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how's Hebrew sexist? < 1359256908 442990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possible. < 1359256936 51931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ribbit < 1359256998 15995 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is it just gendered nouns or what. < 1359257017 439601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Monoid a => Monoid (Foo a) where { mempty = mempty; mappend x y = mappend x y; mconcat xs = mconcat xs; } < 1359257055 893172 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359257061 549999 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359257131 939232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is bottom :) < 1359257157 792159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359257247 221749 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, trying again where nothing is bottom < 1359257253 468133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering how to do mconcat < 1359257297 142398 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Monoid < 1359257297 360138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monoid a where < 1359257297 360347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mempty :: a < 1359257297 360453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mappend :: a -> a -> a < 1359257297 360561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mconcat :: [a] -> a < 1359257300 65897 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you don't have to do mconcat to have a monoid, do you < 1359257309 223641 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src mconcat < 1359257309 441378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Do you think like you type? < 1359257314 833348 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mappend should be enough? < 1359257322 746719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems so < 1359257330 161483 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there's a default instance for mconcat; it's just there in case you want to provide a more efficient implementation < 1359257341 835743 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Monoid a => Monoid (Foo a) where { mempty = Foo (mempty); mappend (Foo x) (Foo y) = Foo (mappend x y); < 1359257342 52824 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance/implementation/whatever < 1359257345 767239 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is mconcat anyway < 1359257346 23717 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1359257362 159652 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mappend But On Lists i assume... < 1359257370 463383 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: foldr mappend mempty < 1359257374 653185 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fold yes < 1359257385 406490 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be silly to ask why the monoidal operation is called append < 1359257396 454319 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary < 1359257409 706491 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually an append for Monoid [a] < 1359257443 761402 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances Monoid < 1359257444 486379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(), (a -> b), (a, b), (a, b, c), All, Any, Dual a, Endo a, First a, Last a, Maybe a, Ordering, Product a, Sum a, [a] < 1359257448 926182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, apparently () is an instance of Monoid already < 1359257452 571663 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mempty :: () < 1359257456 992883 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's funny about it < 1359257462 789065 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why < 1359257465 548836 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mempty :: () < 1359257467 412242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1359257489 754097 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, now i understand why groups are categories of one object or whatever. weird. < 1359257493 416736 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a clown. Some people think clowns are funny < 1359257505 261304 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i'll ever understand grothendieck. do you understand grothendieck? < 1359257512 502279 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Monoid m) < 1359257512 749947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Unknown type Monoid < 1359257512 960550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude undefined :: a < 1359257512 960651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative unwrapMonad :: WrappedMonad m a -> m a < 1359257519 727186 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you mean monoids are categories with one object, or groups are groupoids with one object? < 1359257539 456727 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids are categories with one object. < 1359257543 357530 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "A group is a category with one object, in which all morphisms have inverses." < 1359257552 508307 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka groupoid < 1359257556 660906 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359257562 765440 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote groupoidoid < 1359257562 982426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Are you on drugs? < 1359257572 908009 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monoidoid < 1359257573 125268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : says: And a semigroupoid with identities is called a monoidoid. < 1359257598 246791 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematicians, literally the worst at naming things < 1359257628 955977 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually name things by their name < 1359257636 578163 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5teroid < 1359257638 652855 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(g(s)) f(ds) < 1359257644 67288 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and that's a shitty way to name things. < 1359257662 468403 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at Pacific islands. ridiculous < 1359257667 191593 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a semiapple with identity syndrome is called a blanabba < 1359257683 219823 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! lets name this method, "Newton's method" ! It will be unique < 1359257704 365554 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does identity syndrome have a cure ._. < 1359257768 869798 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, fruit transformers < 1359257781 792115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying any cure to the identity syndrome just gives you the cure back. < 1359257838 526931 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously CherryT Apple has no identity < 1359257859 37629 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can inject yourself, but they say it is just homeomorphy. < 1359257934 782495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :raisins are just grapeoids in the cat allegory of endocarpum < 1359257952 560665 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't puns supposed to make sense < 1359257971 821591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1359257995 656927 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid proof of the day: < 1359258025 756248 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every countable ordinal number can be embedded in the rational numbers. The union of all countable ordinal numbers is uncountable. Therefore, the rational numbers are uncountable. < 1359258047 481036 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1359258064 767617 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checkmate. < 1359258099 368234 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math should get a checkmate symbol < 1359258136 580432 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :∎ < 1359258153 390124 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :✓ < 1359258155 799107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Only constructivists have that. < 1359258159 649492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called type-checkmate. < 1359258169 453958 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :''nice one shachaf`` < 1359258182 492396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenght $ [0] ++ ((%) <$> [1..] <*> [1..]) ++ ((%) <$> [(-1),(-2)..] <*> [1..]) < 1359258187 919443 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :length* < 1359258191 559243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow whats with the new quotes < 1359258196 925536 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATHEMATICAL_DOUBLE-STRUCK_CAPITAL_CHECKMATE < 1359258197 651341 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're backwards < 1359258208 592541 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ✓⚢ < 1359258215 411094 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the "mates" in this case are lesbians. < 1359258217 499921 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaaaay < 1359258241 302162 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose 凸 < 1359258241 823047 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you make a good point. The word "lesbian" *is* verbose. < 1359258265 301537 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Han character for "protrude"? < 1359258267 492696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%) < 1359258268 939014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `%' < 1359258269 155402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `R.%' (imported from Data.Ratio) < 1359258306 940399 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Han mandarin pictograph for "fuck you" < 1359258317 658588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I think that doesn't work out the way you expect < 1359258322 973653 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :concave in japanese anyway < 1359258332 129438 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the few i got around to learning < 1359258332 428660 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1359258340 504323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exist rationals R that will not show up aftr any finite time T < 1359258343 717582 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, convex < 1359258347 443999 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to confuse the two < 1359258354 830901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because the List monad sucks. < 1359258389 803015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott asleep < 1359258402 315482 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: unrepresentable integers? < 1359258418 580426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I knwo there would be duplicate numbers with this code < 1359258427 255659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, just the ordering in which the List monad operates < 1359258435 953202 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully. he's got a looooot of curare in 'im. < 1359258439 766527 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using >>- :-) < 1359258447 743978 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, obviously it wont' work for infinite lists like this < 1359258463 159685 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>-) < 1359258463 645798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 20 $ (,) <$> [0..] <*> [0..] < 1359258464 642878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadLogic m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1359258465 382211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(0,1),(0,2),(0,3),(0,4),(0,5),(0,6),(0,7),(0,8),(0,9),(0,10),(0,11),... < 1359258467 311108 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3] >>- \ a -> [a, a+1] < 1359258468 795952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,2,3,3,4] < 1359258478 686676 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was a bad example < 1359258499 15083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does lambdabot have >>- < 1359258502 656340 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now < 1359258511 886811 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as long as i can remember < 1359258517 986321 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an exciting time for caleskell development < 1359258520 440563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow how come i never knew about it < 1359258559 275054 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>- \ a -> [0..] >>- return . (a,) < 1359258560 759696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Illegal tuple section: use -XTupleSectionsPrecedence parsing error < 1359258560 977205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can... < 1359258563 411286 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1359258570 704399 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359258590 518798 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>- \ a -> [0..] >>- \ b -> [(a,b)] < 1359258592 491601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(1,0),(0,1),(2,0),(0,2),(1,1),(0,3),(3,0),(0,4),(1,2),(0,5),(2,1),(0... < 1359258593 964598 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so lame" < 1359258604 112670 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿Qué es >>-? < 1359258608 287591 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i love that function < 1359258619 111901 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" `interleave` "goodbye" < 1359258620 881665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hgeololdobye" < 1359258627 219214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, like bind except handles the multiple infinite lists thing properly < 1359258697 482863 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>= \a -> [0..] >>= \b -> [(a,b)] < 1359258699 170578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(0,1),(0,2),(0,3),(0,4),(0,5),(0,6),(0,7),(0,8),(0,9),(0,10),(0,11),... < 1359258707 893275 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. < 1359258712 328075 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, this way of doing it isn't necessarily more proper. < 1359258720 266678 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper what < 1359258723 231238 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sometimes you want one and sometimes you want the other < 1359258723 448432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("hello","goodbye")^..levels (both.traverse).traverse < 1359258724 921738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `levels' < 1359258725 138592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `Data.Tree.levels',... < 1359258726 862813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("hello","goodbye")^..Lens.levels (both.traverse).traverse < 1359258729 66426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hgeololdobye" < 1359258737 733537 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very elegant, shachaf. < 1359258746 569570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's actually disgusting. < 1359258749 565297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry to break it to you" < 1359258763 383024 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-0 < 1359258763 621567 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it . binds more tightly than ^.. < 1359258771 989512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. binds prettty tightly < 1359258777 831421 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"9 tight" < 1359258787 987583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow thats pretty tight < 1359258790 157774 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.. is a p. good operator name < 1359258810 961404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but how tight does the . in Lens.levels bind < 1359258817 218016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10 tight????" < 1359258826 9966 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just look it up < 1359258826 732203 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not-an-operator-tight < 1359258830 999586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1359258836 926477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very tight < 1359258849 255275 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both.traverse < 1359258849 494560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i always forget what precedence means < 1359258850 541887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> (t a, t a) -> f (t b, t b) < 1359258851 22784 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tight does the . in "hello." bind????? < 1359258856 266211 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello." < 1359258857 721108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello." < 1359258860 636487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i like to call it stickiness < 1359258861 638537 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both . traverse < 1359258862 121129 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: very tight < 1359258863 93674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> (t a, t a) -> f (t b, t b) < 1359258870 501097 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmMMMMmmmm < 1359258872 674055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well tighter than " < 1359258887 149071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both . traverse < 1359258888 631568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> (t a, t a) -> f (t b, t b) < 1359258905 826041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1359258913 821090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like gravity or something?? < 1359258933 337208 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bond tight enough to overcome separation < 1359258953 102609 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t bot < 1359258954 309028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `bot' < 1359258954 525508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1359258954 525676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `not' (imported from Data.Bool), < 1359258986 418214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0..] >>- \ a -> [0..] >>- return . (,) a < 1359258988 297441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1359258988 514996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `Control.Monad.Logic.Class.>>-' [i... < 1359258991 541439 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359258998 328437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohw ell < 1359259002 635592 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@data Bot = Bot < 1359259003 3865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1359259007 536935 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1359259009 437616 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data Bot = Bot < 1359259009 677476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Invalid declaration < 1359259012 491769 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1359259032 166015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hike < 1359259043 221438 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pike. < 1359259046 282063 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hachaf. Hatchet? < 1359259069 930604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoidoidoidoidoidoidoids < 1359259072 505097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1359259092 160174 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpuns < 1359259109 220456 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a mon? < 1359259115 991879 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1359259119 68258 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a monoid, but more specific. < 1359259161 411796 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a commutative monoid. < 1359259168 481973 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemonoid < 1359259188 104206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :communal monoid < 1359259190 271663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :communoid < 1359259196 12489 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "mon" would be a better name than "abelian monoid" < 1359259202 643840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it a communist monoid?? < 1359259202 885849 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably worse than "commutative monoid"... < 1359259220 286922 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it mean for an operation to be mmutative? < 1359259231 264649 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1359259233 205158 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359259259 292680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I assume some instances of mposition are mmutative. < 1359259266 364855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked out what mposition was once. < 1359259277 94139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out you can't really do it in Haskell because parametricity?? < 1359259278 57716 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It operates on your computer's commu < 1359259291 132643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's mposition shachaf < 1359259292 605626 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are instances of composition commutative? < 1359259302 876742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: um it's that weird thing < 1359259319 815207 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which weird thing < 1359259322 65004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p b a -> Either (p x a) (p b x) < 1359259339 787117 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1359259342 389256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "i didn't invent it it came up on its own" < 1359259350 47263 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they all say < 1359259369 979510 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should still be named after me though" < 1359259379 373970 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A monoid for which the operation is commutative for some, but not all elements is a trace monoid; trace monoids commonly occur in the theory of concurrent computation." < 1359259382 164724 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359259400 477254 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean by "for some but not all" < 1359259412 703180 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "some of all" fears < 1359259429 629020 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like it has a subsemigroup thats all commutative and stuff amongst itself, or is it more like the center of a group where the stuff in it commutes with everything < 1359259460 690560 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It generalizes the concept of a string, by not forcing the letters to always be in a fixed order, but allowing certain reshufflings to take place." < 1359259479 993993 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mathematical structure i've always dreamed of. "like a string but less so" < 1359259480 236867 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ok < 1359259488 577943 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359259493 4792 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds kind of < 1359259499 400378 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh i hope they bothered to actually define it well < 1359259503 161495 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why you would ever want this. < 1359259509 240602 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Call it an Amstringytoope < 1359259511 43817 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Traces are used in theories of concurrent computation, where commuting letters stand for portions of a job that can execute independently of one another, while non-commuting letters stand for locks, synchronization points or thread joins." < 1359259520 793416 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess that sort of makes sense? < 1359259553 934309 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letters? I bet this theory was invented by Post. < 1359259567 673113 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would post give a damn about concurrency < 1359259571 51624 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I dunno, I want to erode that word to "anstrintope". < 1359259580 136553 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, did you know Post only had one arm? I didn't know that. < 1359259605 15544 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would explain why his computation models are so simple. < 1359259612 763047 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww SNAP < 1359259613 244810 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the word "anstrintope" looks like it would mean... < 1359259627 193223 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right, cripple joke! woo woo < 1359259635 264759 :yorkdove!~chatzilla@c-69-142-111-103.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359259670 62648 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, someone named Mazurkiewicz is cited. That's a pretty cool name. < 1359259675 231650 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imo all mathematicians should be Polish. < 1359259677 418977 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :English doesn't have a word for discrimination towards cripples < 1359259681 419145 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Place not bound tightly". < 1359259689 635494 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: does "ableism" count? < 1359259689 852502 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Therefore it doesn't exist) < 1359259691 323433 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: "ableism" < 1359259699 187280 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn ableism < 1359259699 670040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "ableism" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1359259699 887234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ableism < 1359259699 887469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: discrimination in favor of the able-bodied [syn: {ableism}, < 1359259699 887639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ablism}, {able-bodiedism}, {able-bodism}] < 1359259714 933977 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's not even a word" < 1359259721 275466 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "cripple" is a slur, I probably shouldn't have said it. < 1359259737 199530 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it now? < 1359259743 313152 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1359259760 337648 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's lame. < 1359259769 98599 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripple is a game < 1359259770 303772 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While the trace monoid had been studied by Pierre Cartier and Dominique Foata for its combinatorics in the 1960s," oh that sounds actually interesting. < 1359259795 410266 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, Schützenberger. I think I can allow German mathematicians in addition to the Polish ones. < 1359259796 410504 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so trace monoid looks kinda funny. i follow the part where you quotient the free monoid over some set by some equivalence relation, but the properties of this equivalence are not at all obvious to me from the minute i spent skimming its definition < 1359259834 411798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yeah, it's a slur < 1359259846 145583 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it actually uses "÷". < 1359259848 316675 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a similar one would be "retard", for the mentally disabled) < 1359259889 284954 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cripple" is also relatively inaccurate, given that one is not actually crippled by many disabilities. < 1359259901 149113 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slurs can be pretty inaccurate :P < 1359259905 591788 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :post certainly did pretty well for himself. < 1359259915 455464 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can I say, I'm a pedant. < 1359259916 903758 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's an explanation up there about how the equivalence relation happens, ok < 1359259917 870180 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, insofar as being a huge nerd is doing well < 1359259930 246990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wonders about one-handed keyboards < 1359259938 91890 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chorded keyboards! :D < 1359259959 27325 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak one handed is actually pretty usable < 1359259960 475164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :chorded = slowass < 1359259961 924700 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, Post died in the fifties, no computers for him to concurreinate. < 1359259965 311086 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I could argue that what you just said about the word "retard" is offensive; it refers to the mentally retarted, so you're implying that all mentally disabled people are mentally retarded. < 1359259966 275109 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to learn it once so i could type and mouse at the same time < 1359259977 29467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards with a mirror key are faster < 1359259996 901343 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: people often use slurs against people in a way that doesn't make exact logical sense < 1359260003 899346 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards where the keys are in your brain < 1359260036 57789 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone might call a person without good grasp of english "retarded" because they don't understand the material, even if they're not mentally disabled in any way < 1359260052 258595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigotry is not exactlyogical < 1359260053 807033 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*logical < 1359260089 706562 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone might call me "retarded" because I am in some sense mentally disabled. Ain't words awesome? < 1359260122 446689 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is < 1359260126 371749 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: true. < 1359260127 821693 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :"retarded" isn't an insult because of the word < 1359260130 232154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(simple rule: just don't use the slur) < 1359260130 745494 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactlyogical should be a word < 1359260133 877736 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an insult because of the meaning < 1359260150 449631 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can keep renaming things to try and get away from "mean words" < 1359260158 855805 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eventually people will just use the new word the same way < 1359260162 891895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherhugger < 1359260164 820894 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: nigger < 1359260171 387818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... that doesn't happen < 1359260176 719412 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have used "disabled" for 100 years now < 1359260178 338624 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean black, i mean colored person, i mean african-american, i mean ... < 1359260184 410106 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see anyone using it as a slur < 1359260186 610299 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the words dorky enough and nobody'll bother with them < 1359260191 223473 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGUAGE: CLEANSED < 1359260191 952004 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it doesn't have a ring to it < 1359260197 1159 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha monqy's got it right < 1359260197 217617 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, "nigger" is the only one of those that's actually a slur of some sort. < 1359260198 10216 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, why do i even say things < 1359260202 446246 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"african american" has never been a slur < 1359260205 820276 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :nigger didn't originate as a slur < 1359260208 511572 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~_~ < 1359260209 715570 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying "colored" makes you sound *old*, but it's not *offensive*. < 1359260210 199337 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gosh-darned dork < 1359260214 758534 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg white people talking about racism holy shit sotp < 1359260224 24037 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it got used that way and therefore discarded < 1359260230 948145 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn colored < 1359260231 189358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "colored" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1359260231 406281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colored < 1359260231 406477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: having color or a certain color; sometimes used in < 1359260231 406590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : combination; "colored crepe paper"; "the film was in < 1359260231 406698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : color"; "amber-colored heads of grain" [syn: {colored}, < 1359260233 117309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14 @more lines] < 1359260235 565943 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1359260235 783176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {coloured}, {colorful}] [ant: {uncolored}, {uncoloured}] < 1359260237 13621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: having skin rich in melanin pigments; "National Association < 1359260239 218691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : for the Advancement of Colored People"; "dark-skinned < 1359260239 435890 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others may not be slurs but they are "politically sensitive" in a way < 1359260241 146483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : peoples" [syn: {colored}, {coloured}, {dark}, {dark-skinned}, < 1359260243 75785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {non-white}] < 1359260245 56980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9 @more lines] < 1359260248 542785 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People actually use "colored" to describe themselves, you know. < 1359260258 479726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people of color" is the reclamation of that term < 1359260263 92471 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure people use lots of words to describe themselves < 1359260263 573877 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1359260267 209938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but slightly modified to limit confusing with the old term) < 1359260270 586216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1359260276 898926 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :people call themselves nigga too :P < 1359260287 138583 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "colored" was an american expression for "no mexicans" < 1359260290 35175 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART #esoteric :"white people need to stop talking about racism srsly" < 1359260300 335441 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just think it's a moot point to try and chase down the word instead of the usage < 1359260315 104077 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i can't tell, is that part message racist?? < 1359260316 327644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :negro is spanish for the colour black < 1359260334 5599 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: It actually presumes rather a lot. < 1359260337 964169 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, that we're all white. < 1359260354 315900 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i guess white people aren't involved in that conversation < 1359260356 362266 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1359260356 760871 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :White people need to stop talking about white people talking about racism < 1359260365 242282 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I only have knowledge of the skin color of a strict subset of this channel's membership. < 1359260370 914085 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if racism is just a horribly stupid thing to talk about in most contexts and most talking about is stupid < 1359260398 253114 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty safe guess that people "well "nigger" is just a word" are white, most of the time. < 1359260399 940594 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a few words??? < 1359260401 492043 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could get on board with that < 1359260410 75414 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can concur on that. < 1359260414 434766 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that people saying < 1359260426 400966 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a word, it's a word with a meaning that has changed < 1359260426 618096 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora's on the right track but it has nothing to do with skin color, imo. it's just such and old conversation and there's nothing to be gained by bashing your heads against it < 1359260429 820549 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point < 1359260441 370105 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, 'retard' is the same < 1359260452 158416 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that Fiora has left, we could talk about misogyny < 1359260457 880885 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1359260458 121587 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what nice name you come up with, some ass is gonna use it to describe people meanly < 1359260475 208699 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a totally objective unbiased way < 1359260477 212043 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: 'Fraid I talk about that a bit too much. < 1359260517 741713 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not talk about any of this stuff uuuugh < 1359260575 9206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359260576 90353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359260577 110121 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you afraid to talk about it, sissykins? < 1359260595 513171 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounded too much like susskind < 1359260596 924810 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that list? < 1359260606 411452 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :names < 1359260610 862455 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones? < 1359260612 925491 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are subscribed to Super Mega Comics. < 1359260626 820441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i love super mega comics !! < 1359260688 123040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow i forgot about that < 1359260694 153797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never finished reading them < 1359260703 702689 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -ie 's/$/ monqy/' bin/list < 1359260709 787768 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359260716 276358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/list < 1359260717 291242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot monqy < 1359260720 274619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359260727 979635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1359260732 242336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE ALARM EVERYBODY < 1359260750 40218 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -ie 's/ monqy//' bin/list < 1359260752 597534 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359260754 214709 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359260754 431610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, people who want me to tell them when Homestuck updates < 1359260755 352066 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359260766 941170 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1359260768 202483 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you can't just... you can't just tell people what hte list is. < 1359260772 764133 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when Homesstuck updates, you just do `list. < 1359260776 676845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359260786 571570 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How's about a list of people who want you to tell them when Homestuck finishes? < 1359260792 844927 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, ritually unclean. < 1359260795 334433 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I plan to wait for it to end and archive-binge. < 1359260810 347297 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is finishes < 1359260818 1906 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's homestuck < 1359260820 891646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You miss out on a lot of speculation, which is pretty essential to understanding what's going on < 1359260830 487364 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. what < 1359260843 995462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Sgeo> You miss out on a lot of speculation, which is pretty essential to understanding what's going on < 1359260845 552986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, there's a lot of little things you miss by not being a serial reader < 1359260847 173012 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :942) Sgeo> You miss out on a lot of speculation, which is pretty essential to understanding what's going on < 1359260852 998180 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1359260855 159802 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat!!! < 1359260855 788231 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359260860 503834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359260863 506761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote You miss out on a lot of speculation, which is pretty essential to understanding what's going on < 1359260866 444016 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :942) You miss out on a lot of speculation, which is pretty essential to understanding what's going on < 1359260870 650249 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what nonsense are you spouting now < 1359260888 811265 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 942 < 1359260893 579688 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* You miss out on a lot of speculation, which is pretty essential to understanding what's going on < 1359260894 118204 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :justified by way of that quote is bad < 1359260908 976914 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need justification to understand what's going on? < 1359260910 509088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, well, a lot of people misunderstood in Cascade, which was only cleared up canonically later on < 1359260914 139193 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/quote Sgeo | shuf < 1359260916 540823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :159) * Gregor bashes his head into the wall that is Sgeo. \ 504) Maybe I should try to learn Scala instead of Ruby I will boil your veins. Which is less bad? Probably Scala, but I don't want you learning languages. \ 936) Actually, just as a guess, J might be worse than APL because it's restricted to norm < 1359260932 590690 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so? < 1359260937 728308 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/quote Sgeo | shuf < 1359260940 737464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :726) Why does CL get called functional? it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic. \ 110) what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation I have no problems with you being interested in online games but the necrophilia is disturbing \ 827) 499) < 1359260943 657788 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want that, do a book club < 1359260958 594856 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359260973 508212 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 827 < 1359260974 751816 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :827) 499) What is miff-muffered moof? that's a tough question [...] miff-muffered moof sounds like a setup to something, but itidus screws it up. < 1359261007 677408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 499 < 1359261008 888564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :499) Also Perl, but I don't really consider that a programming language so much as a really heavy implementatino of awk < 1359261020 102145 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you want a not-quite-as-dumb counterargument, WoG is that it's better straight through < 1359261023 964720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 499 < 1359261027 665419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1359261039 387606 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X is such a bad Y that it's not really a Y" is such a weird device. < 1359261053 265311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a weird device that it's not really a device. < 1359261057 925554 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is such a bad analogy < 1359261081 984129 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhetorical device. < 1359261090 173223 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 499 < 1359261092 608150 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an agreement" < 1359261094 583336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Also Perl, but I don't really consider that a programming language so much as a really heavy implementatino of awk < 1359261101 193015 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wtf is hussie doing in th emost recent update? < 1359261118 451865 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1359261119 726693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :681) [...] So if someone tells you "you're worth your weight in Ethernet", it's likely they think your worth is less than $2k. < 1359261138 751966 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://www.amazon.com/Combinatorics-Traces-Lecture-Computer-Science/dp/3540530312 kinda cool lookin < 1359261154 612194 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chapter 4 provides a new bridge between the theory of string rewriting and formal power series." hee < 1359261164 285320 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm mmmm 70 bucks lecture notes < 1359261175 150183 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you even look at the price new < 1359261198 738508 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this had better be more than just lecture notes, alt. dang good lecture notes < 1359261314 481555 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many of the people selling for twenty bucks actually have a copy < 1359261464 969997 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're just bad copies < 1359261475 58275 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paperweight gone chewtoy < 1359261492 534959 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're robot sellers, they're usually pretty good. < 1359261498 805805 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a book on complex analysis for like two cents once. < 1359261511 907457 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrived hardly on fire at all! < 1359261678 691036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i learn complex analysis < 1359261694 606397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ☝ < 1359261705 494957 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell yes you should. < 1359261714 541381 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could even understand what homotopy type theory is!!!!! < 1359261716 989913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard it's "real cool" < 1359261735 15517 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also imaginary cool!!!! < 1359261737 501477 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that's a joke. < 1359261758 427236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's complex < 1359261777 862096 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-0 < 1359261778 582766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a joke too i was highlighting it for you) < 1359261779 904446 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lots of math i should know and it's upsetting that i dont know it < 1359261781 741594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case you missed it) < 1359261792 577974 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know if there are mathematicians who don't feel that way? < 1359261797 279395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "do you know topology" < 1359261799 22197 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359261811 683047 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: topology's near the top of the list of things i really should know but don't < 1359261829 764376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else is on the list < 1359261832 597154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's at the top < 1359261847 622857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory :'( :'( :'( < 1359261858 596073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory? more like stupid theory < 1359261862 326282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 more minutes and I can eat < 1359261865 622543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so happy ;) < 1359261875 72378 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m out of food. < 1359261877 125784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was supposed to be crying happily, not winking < 1359261878 580216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also people say you should learn other things before you learn category theory < 1359261880 544549 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's everywhere and i always feel awful when theres something haven't encountered in it < 1359261881 787057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1359261887 874307 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty cool that one of the big category theory guys lives in a shack in the pyrenees now < 1359261889 80062 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i know other things!!!! < 1359261892 698814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1359261894 194180 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when i say "pretty cool" i mean "what < 1359261895 439321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra? < 1359261896 402340 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what cool. < 1359261912 469781 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -ie '3 s,.*,if ! expr "$id" ">=" 0 "\&" "$id" "<" $(wc -l /dev/null; then id=$(expr $RANDOM % $(wc -l _> < 1359263586 699620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope. < 1359263590 346040 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they have "one-day" matches where each innings is automatically over after 300 balls bowled (= pitches) < 1359263592 280452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always assumed they were the same thing. < 1359263604 767837 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which encourages the batsmen to play riskier because getting out is less of a problem < 1359263607 973178 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the fact that they're both sports that start with 'c'? < 1359263619 559997 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound kind-of similar < 1359263622 935235 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they play rather differently < 1359263623 441613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They both have the consonants krkt < 1359263629 233759 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :croquet is about hitting balls through hoops using mallets < 1359263631 887109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've played Croquet, I think. < 1359263638 943276 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the rules down as well as I have the rules of cricket down < 1359263640 752188 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Croquet does not end with the consonant 't'. < 1359263655 444752 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used to confuse croquet and cribbage, if that makes you feel better. < 1359263663 120577 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Croquet is also infinitely simpler than cricket X-D < 1359263663 843117 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's pronounced "crokay" < 1359263664 60185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes it does? < 1359263674 561576 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and cricket is orders of magnitude simpler than gold < 1359263677 60007 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he meant the sound < 1359263677 301191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A consonant is a sound, not a letter. < 1359263677 783951 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*golf < 1359263680 762693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1738du/a_hilarious_thread_from_a_programming_forum_i/ < 1359263681 727442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hebrew pronunciation is "kroket" according to Wikipedia. < 1359263695 262892 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in English it's krokay. < 1359263696 951435 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only, what, 11 ways to get out, something like that < 1359263698 155184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's the spelling. And Hebrew doesn't ahve silent letters. < 1359263702 862511 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's comparable with baseball < 1359263712 270507 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and few rules apart from getting out and scoring < 1359263728 233140 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :batsmen try to score as many runs as possible without getting out < 1359263740 990225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wickets are the weirdest idea in sports < 1359263744 525435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Krikkit? < 1359263747 946396 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fielding team try to get them out (when they can), or (most of the time) stop them scoring < 1359263755 776383 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wickets are a reasonably simple idea, really < 1359263763 576825 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The best advice I can give is pick up this book: Beginning Programming for Dummies 2nd Edition " < 1359263764 543455 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it clear from the hardware point of view whether the target was hit or not < 1359263769 467258 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it doesn't < 1359263778 513926 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays they put microphones inside the wickets so that they can tell when they were hit < 1359263795 934904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned a lot from For Dummies books when I was a kid < 1359263798 625116 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compare the microphone recordings with camera recordings of the wicket, so they don't get confused by loud noises that happened at approximately the right time < 1359263809 558298 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they record the sound of the ball hitting the bat, too < 1359263817 945858 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i learned what defragmentation was from one about macbooks :D < 1359263843 269875 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is relevant when trying to work out whether someone's been caught out (think flyout in baseball), or whether the ball just bounced off their kneepads (you aren't out if you're caught after that, unless you would have been out anyway) < 1359263845 496845 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other highlights: complaints that Microsoft Word took up 2 MB of RAM < 1359263846 548504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any game that requires audio recordings to ensure the rules are enforced properly is weird < 1359263866 766962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than requiring video recordings < 1359263867 971217 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you don't have those in more casual matches, the game still works, just the decisions are a little less accurate as a result < 1359263869 417283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of < 1359263876 772524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i agree. wtf is up with a text editor that large????? < 1359263893 557941 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "takes up half of memory"!!! < 1359263899 847825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: video replay should suffice for anything < 1359263901 293497 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a word processor not a text editor hth < 1359263901 534359 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :word mostly isn't a text editor < 1359263933 527275 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's very hard to work out whether a ball that might be travelling at 100mph or so has collided with a wooden stick, from video evidence alone, given that it might graze by just a couple of millimetres < 1359263942 836576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference? is the difference something i care about using? < 1359263948 106184 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word is a Word editor < 1359263949 53209 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :word is for word art and using wacky fonts for the bbq flyer that's about it < 1359263955 314456 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except when it isn't) < 1359263964 310588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that i've never used the features of word that aren't found in, say, kate < 1359263978 445 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Word is a word processor, the main difference is the existence of formatting < 1359263981 81967 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1359263983 214796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, Word would be shitty for writing code, and kate would be shitty for the bbq flyer < 1359263990 389312 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Word is a word processor, the main difference is the existence of formatting < 1359264014 22719 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to get formatted text in something like kate, you need to write, say, HTML or LaTeX directly, and it doesn't give a WYSIWYG view < 1359264022 629390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but bbq flyer who cares wtf < 1359264023 624822 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/mw/images/wordArtDB.jpg just look at this beauty < 1359264027 172597 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a problem for people experienced in writing formatting as programs < 1359264029 339434 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is for many people < 1359264033 697809 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: see, this is why you use kate. < 1359264042 780486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate formatting < 1359264049 404068 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate dealing with it, thinking about it < 1359264052 45139 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people in the world are more concerned with bbq flyers than with irssi plugins. < 1359264065 736773 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more people. i suppose most people in the world don't give a damn about bbqs. < 1359264070 415190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF how does one make text "look good" < 1359264073 834979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm exaggerating of course. i use lyx. lyx probably uses well over 2MB of RAM < 1359264077 941662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm a bbq flyer is quite trivial with \documentclass{bbqflyer} < 1359264082 924296 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That is a big question. :| < 1359264086 265859 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughed out loud < 1359264088 229829 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyX does the same job as Word, rather than as Kate < 1359264096 919593 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: WordArt. < 1359264108 528649 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: namely, to annoy the hell out of you < 1359264112 919363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i use that doc class for research paper cover pages < 1359264113 136121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love wordart < 1359264119 596432 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By big question I mean small question with big complex answer. < 1359264123 484751 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: LyX is less annoying than Word < 1359264127 173297 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is possibly the best kind of question. < 1359264141 901959 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alternative way of looking at it is, Kate does the same job as Notepad (just it does it a lot better) < 1359264160 175353 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i kind of think of notepad as "the text editor" and Word as "the word processor" < 1359264164 739011 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a true linuxite :( < 1359264165 283605 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad was a quality piece of software man < 1359264169 624429 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"was" < 1359264175 690562 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad is basically just a multiline text input field with a menu attached < 1359264178 342414 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to notepad :((( < 1359264200 876018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: are you not a fan of minimalism < 1359264204 65470 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is notepad.exe? How to remove notepad.exe virus? The fast and easy way to solve notepad.exe errors or problems. Download now. < 1359264226 534086 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: real web page? < 1359264232 743735 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, autogenerated, but yes. < 1359264240 172225 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1359264250 899061 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe notepad.exe would be a plausible name for a virus < 1359264252 631158 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad.exe is important for Windows 7/XP/Vista. Click here to know what notepad.exe is doing, its safeness and how to avoid problems. < 1359264261 389462 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, worm < 1359264262 356361 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a webpage that is only ever shown to googlebot a real web page < 1359264268 506955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about the calc.exe < 1359264272 133862 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen them call themselves iexplore.exe (but hide in a different and obviously wrong directory) < 1359264276 812453 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: good question < 1359264284 287185 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you could say something actually interesting about different operating environments by comparing their text editors. Linux has ed since it was originally built on dumb terminals and with mainframes. Windows has Notepad since that's pretty easy for demonstrating your graphical system and stuff. < 1359264289 325681 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's a real web page, but it's not on the real web < 1359264300 160833 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:24:10 I can believe notepad.exe would be a plausible name for a virus < 1359264301 885233 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the platonic ideal of a web page < 1359264314 61678 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: half of the results for notepad.exe are about a trojan distributed as notepad.exe < 1359264320 365394 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Linux has some vi and nano pretty much everywhere nowadays < 1359264337 261080 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but i probably couldn't have fit anything about those in that line < 1359264344 276855 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows also has wordpad and well word < 1359264344 756532 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where by some vi, I mean vi, vim, or one of the cut-down vim variants) < 1359264351 561043 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... i have no idea what's on OS X < 1359264362 669068 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in windows 3.1, wordpad was called write, I think < 1359264377 727910 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :osx probably has something flashy < 1359264380 661319 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notepad is a common text-only (plain text) editor. The resulting files—typically saved with the .txt extension—have no format tags or styles, making the program suitable for editing system files that are to be used in a DOS environment" < 1359264401 558774 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does support right to left text. Cool. < 1359264410 465631 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Plain text". < 1359264412 633462 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.notepad.org/ < 1359264417 666878 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad also screws up line ending encodings < 1359264418 149090 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good website < 1359264421 629691 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BOMs < 1359264433 155026 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bush hid the facts < 1359264437 445849 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bug ever? probably. < 1359264438 194802 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it always BOMs UTF-8, and uses \r\n newlines, and won't understand just-\n newlines < 1359264461 703800 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it triggered off any sequence of lowercase letters separated by spaces with word lengths 4 3 3 5 < 1359264473 725112 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen a text editor fail the way I expect with \n when it wants \r\n. < 1359264474 34050 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a case of finding an amusing sentence that fits that restriction < 1359264477 147797 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I love conspiracy theories. < 1359264484 598202 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.notepad.org/logo.htm this is good too < 1359264503 253715 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's beautiful. < 1359264520 331906 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the other common sentence I saw was "this app can break" < 1359264534 846703 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1359264572 452636 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the images at the bottom are separated by  \n < 1359264594 844720 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is the greatest tag. < 1359264604 386415 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um itym < 1359264613 865640 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um ftfy. < 1359264618 778100 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Notepad just shows all the \ns as a literal control-j character < 1359264622 991717 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks like a weird box thing < 1359264624 681702 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of Miles Prower- http://tails.kicks-ass.net < 1359264625 928823 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blink is lame. marquee "the only way to go" < 1359264649 398133 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Oh I misremembered. I thought it just omitted the linebreaks altogether. < 1359264665 243803 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks much like that, the literal newlines can be invisible in some configurations < 1359264669 960598 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they're /there/ < 1359264704 915287 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what \n ought to do is be a line feed. < 1359264705 463561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at the Any browser logo on there < 1359264713 721211 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e., foo\nbar should render as: < 1359264714 498207 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1359264715 499572 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : bar < 1359264718 198863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can certainly make pages intended for a subset of browsers by using Notepad < 1359264728 344189 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359264739 82012 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that deliberately. (The subset of browsers thing) < 1359264758 394958 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359264759 395743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically everyone does. Who TF writes to be compatible with ViolaWWW or Mosaic?) < 1359264773 809123 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you hear you can get Mosaic on Linux now? < 1359264783 793143 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wikipedia doesn't work in Mozilla 1.2 :( < 1359264796 557242 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I famously blanked the main page talk like that once, people assumed I was vandalizing) < 1359264817 141787 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even when it worked, it introduced spurious newlines into pages by line-wrapping their entire contents) < 1359264833 248396 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, the same operation that fmt(1) performs) < 1359264894 924318 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so were you active in wikipedia's community? < 1359264901 874841 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm suddenly curious how they deal with people with autocensors. < 1359264968 230391 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I used to be an admin there < 1359264980 18123 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally we told people to stop editing because a proxy or something was screwing up the page < 1359264989 4473 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blocked them temporarily if they didn't < 1359264999 845713 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most common was some sort of misconfigured software adding backslashes before apostrophes < 1359265004 681979 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other backslashes < 1359265010 267537 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funny when people would edit a page and suddenly all occurences of "fuck" were replaced with asterisks, and by funny i mean instant ban < 1359265026 471197 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which grows exponentially, so it becomes very noticeable very quickly) < 1359265047 145679 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how apostrophes ended up used for quotation anyway < 1359265070 511905 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a problem even in things like "don't", because smart quotes are hard to edit and so people tend to use regular apostrophes instead < 1359265112 615728 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i was just wondering < 1359265129 850228 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state of input methods is tragic. < 1359265134 556672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, now I wonder if you could make a filter that filters the text even in the textarea, but puts the words in question back when submitting the page < 1359265150 879567 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunter2 < 1359265151 361747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff-y stuff I guess < 1359265155 494853 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: well “smart quotes” should be easy to type through any sensible input method < 1359265156 474395 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make a startup that does that. < 1359265166 677612 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, Windows doesn't come with a compose key by default, nor an easy way to configure one < 1359265193 560586 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I use a “compose key” which still isn’t—really—good enough. < 1359265208 355010 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: yeah, although most of the common stuff is there, and most is guessable < 1359265210 905753 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359265221 686183 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of discoverability, a compose key is pretty good. < 1359265224 136921 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively or additionally, you can use altgr combinations, unless you have a US keyboard < 1359265230 893383 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use those for, say, ü out of habit < 1359265233 360852 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the big picture, do you want every lolcat uploader on instagram using unicode captions < 1359265246 878694 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that doesn't sound too bad < 1359265251 702884 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ the compose key. < 1359265263 298813 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just tried it, <3 < 1359265272 340690 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that was reasonably obvious < 1359265273 63609 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trouble is when there isn't a mapping for a thing you think should be there. < 1359265276 445299 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359265281 699970 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you are a nontechnical user who has no idea where to go edit that. < 1359265294 406345 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you are on Microsoft Windows. < 1359265300 489936 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1359265321 417749 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux is harder to configure than windows < 1359265332 680347 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about that. < 1359265338 26336 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really is. < 1359265344 345426 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mother is *employed* because Windows is hard to "configure". < 1359265351 690238 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both really hard to configure when they don't have a reasonable GUI for the task < 1359265352 173177 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Being in IT.) < 1359265370 489550 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Windows is easier to misconfigure by mistake in cases where the defaults are sane < 1359265400 235844 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/.gnome/config/meaninglessname/this/was/in/a/different/directory/two/weeks/ago/ui.xml < 1359265446 371187 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also linux desktops have a "registry" now? < 1359265449 549884 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Even XML would be better than a different unique format every time. < 1359265480 852734 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is a different unique format every time. < 1359265498 475382 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it never ceases to amaze me what people do with the stuff. < 1359265504 787017 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exhibit A: plist. < 1359265559 832852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/4361/99615.aspx < 1359265569 87197 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFBundleIdentifiercom.example.foo < 1359265659 1748 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and then execute the command thats in the xml" < 1359265748 724342 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like XSLT. :D < 1359265772 540241 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious question, are there computer jobs that aren't miserable < 1359265781 98847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, that was an OSS project < 1359265803 161455 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WWII-era intelligence agency? < 1359265804 888373 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I have a computer job which is not miserable. < 1359265810 197193 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1359265813 653637 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your computer job which is not miserable? < 1359265854 340365 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I maintain a compiler and a build system. < 1359265859 269455 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And random other stuff that needs doing. < 1359265866 633959 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh cool. < 1359265936 730207 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh...the code is in need of love that we don't have time to give. :( < 1359265954 307319 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope i've already decided your job doesn't suck sorry < 1359266107 222430 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Gnome has something registry-like (but it mostly reserves it for configuration, rather than the Windows registry which was originally intended for something entirely different and which is nowadays used for all sorts of random stuff) < 1359266113 396060 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's used specifically by Gnome, though < 1359266170 68004 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The compiler is about 20kloc, build tool 8kloc, both Haskell.) < 1359266189 873296 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers are pretty cool < 1359266257 110938 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Verity I wrote the build tool into the compiler < 1359266276 799228 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate build tools break so easily, and are more work to maintain < 1359266282 367889 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably a good idea for new work. < 1359266301 670946 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In our case the build thing does way more than just run the compiler though. < 1359266323 67979 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler does code dependencies within a project. < 1359266336 587356 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359266341 549397 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The build system runs the compiler and a bunch of conversion utilities. < 1359266346 35684 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, dependencies have to be declared with import statements < 1359266372 482730 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And deploys updates over a network. :P < 1359266381 601783 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks at the object files matching the imports you state to make sure that things like types match < 1359266392 951830 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do 100% separate compilation if you don't care about cross-module type checking, though < 1359266396 589631 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool. < 1359266406 424972 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that the other modules can be written in other languages < 1359266416 515003 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359266425 46666 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to provide it with a description of what types things have, because it can't figure it out automatically in that case < 1359266461 74995 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359266461 345254 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 QUIT :Changing host < 1359266461 345429 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359266573 395792 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that is how an FFI usually works. < 1359267210 524212 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah < 1359267228 759199 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem is that at the moment, you have to specify the types in its object file format < 1359267467 487752 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359268563 977788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids monoids monoids < 1359268564 791897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy < 1359268576 378685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so what are you going to learn first < 1359268590 675069 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi?? < 1359268602 670141 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo start with morphisms and then move on to categories < 1359268622 532170 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already know about morphisms and categories....... < 1359268650 623464 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :r u sure < 1359268805 397504 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats this about anyway < 1359268831 320602 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i think shachaf was couching a serious question about your mathematical interests in the surreal form of discourse common in this channel < 1359268887 390034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's the only way to talk to monqy. < 1359268892 515784 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359268933 50159 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list is less interests, more split between things i really should know near the top and curiosities near the bottom. the middle is a mixture of things i probably know enough about and things i secretly know but don't realize it < 1359268968 805519 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered recently i know more about type theory than i gave myself credit??? who would have guessed < 1359268984 413317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how does that work < 1359268989 961956 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1359268992 358583 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the things near the top < 1359269008 235830 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um category theory < 1359269027 321547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i mean!! what did you know about type theory that you didn't think you knew < 1359269038 771370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you know something but you thought it wasn't related to type theory but actually it was < 1359269039 734539 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something other than category theory imo not category theory < 1359269047 369075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1359269097 777115 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more on the side of i knew all this type theory stuff and i guess i thought it was just sorta related to type theory and i was missing out on all the details? but it turns out not really < 1359269126 410901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should know more about type theory < 1359269132 114488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know basically nothing?? < 1359269145 126771 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe that's just what you think! < 1359269158 19859 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are shittons of books about martin-lof on the internet < 1359269160 431029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably i should know topology? maybe??? maybe it's just one of those things i think i should maybe know but it's just a curiosity < 1359269173 346042 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1359269177 540698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well maybe i should read tapl or something?? < 1359269186 435706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like know anything idk < 1359269190 634234 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapl's a pretty easy read < 1359269194 255829 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing things is hard < 1359269199 620781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i read of tapl was the first page < 1359269206 943212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was a directed graph of chapter dependencies?? < 1359269209 353661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p. cool imo" < 1359269210 559992 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really picks up around the second page < 1359269217 936997 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of proofs you can do if you really want to engage yourself. do them in coq or agda or something for super engagement??? < 1359269233 462519 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i remember posting a photo of the chapter dependencies < 1359269233 944385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also i don't really know coq or agda???? and maybe i should < 1359269236 953170 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes, a book is really doing this" < 1359269242 731020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you read tapl < 1359269248 131243 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359269252 156293 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not that engaged though < 1359269267 586645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow does everyone know more about types than i do! < 1359269274 256893 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something along the lines of coq or agda is "worth knowing" imo < 1359269276 93185 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do this thing where i read textbooks but don't do many of the exercises and then i suck < 1359269284 569101 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should get a proof assistant < 1359269287 798696 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359269296 720051 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then use it with TAOCP first to be a rebel < 1359269316 951796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("second order logic: good for proving how fast you can't multiply") < 1359269374 613907 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs second order logic when you have the higher order stuff < 1359269396 674023 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is a higher order than 1 monqy. < 1359269407 853695 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher is a higher order than 2!!! < 1359269411 876992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well i "kind of know a little bit of agda??"?? < 1359269415 555453 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly < 1359269419 296650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really < 1359269430 870518 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't know what "higher-order logic" means. < 1359269435 271080 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like... what is it like. < 1359269443 579811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fac n = product [1..n] in fac (fac (fac 2)) < 1359269445 65491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1359269451 465674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1359269452 443249 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genius. < 1359269462 871132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v.clever monqy < 1359269463 848347 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know....about....agda..... sometimes i feel i should know more agda but i don't really have a use for it < 1359269472 662560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even done anything with coq < 1359269478 708656 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telling shachaf about TAPL is a use imo. < 1359269479 929991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think all the "cool people have"? < 1359269487 7732 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done plenty with coq < 1359269504 661719 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The term "higher-order logic", abbreviated as HOL, is commonly used to mean higher order simple predicate logic. Here "simple" indicates that the underlying type theory is simple, not polymorphic or dependent.» < 1359269505 842159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you doing some type theory thing in coq or something < 1359269510 855707 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but coq uses dependent logic < 1359269514 894745 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy are you lying < 1359269515 929187 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1359269516 325951 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was, yes < 1359269526 478151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what was it < 1359269544 358190 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Examples of higher order logics include HOL, Church's Simple Theory of Types, Thierry Coquand's calculus of constructions, which allows for both dependent and polymorphic types. < 1359269559 990921 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well gosh, that's confusing. < 1359269580 819086 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what second-order logic and church logic is but this just seems so vague < 1359269586 644553 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just figure out CoC and shut the fuck up. < 1359269626 121680 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoC is easy < 1359269640 625909 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1359269661 243879 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even in the lambda cube???how much easier can you get < 1359269667 384982 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nothing much..... < 1359269683 623240 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's a "story" behind it but it's the sort of thing i don't really feel like talking about < 1359269700 278284 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking lambda cubes. < 1359269706 385954 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glances at topic < 1359269730 900738 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important part is that it gave me more experience with coq and how to manage large proofs and so on < 1359269744 54053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has started the avant-garde art movement of "lambda cubism" < 1359269753 825010 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type theory was "not particularly interesting" < 1359269768 740941 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive done some pure type systems stuff recently but that's not in coq... < 1359269774 852685 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should move it to coq?? who knows < 1359269809 319461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo i wonder what the "story" is < 1359269811 45074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's good < 1359269813 454906 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359269861 838111 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i should try reading jshutt's thesis again, there was lots of lambda calculus provey theoryy stuff i honestly didn't get < 1359269871 685583 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he still had a whole appendix on how he chose letters though < 1359269891 615461 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you at least get curry-howard? < 1359269910 703768 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that well but sorta < 1359269961 108390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo you should get curry-howard < 1359269967 448272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "basically the" best thing?? < 1359269972 187750 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry-howard is easy and it starts popping up when you look into these things < 1359269979 645323 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy and powerful and good for you < 1359269980 612316 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably would "really get it" if I fucked around with an actual system, like coq. < 1359269989 39096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1359269989 277023 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of just reading shit constantly. < 1359269992 449831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't done that < 1359269999 487011 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1359270001 193463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't "really get it" < 1359270006 280244 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I kind of hate talking like that. < 1359270008 940099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo you don't even need to do that you just need to think about it a little bit and it makes sense < 1359270025 416362 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe thats just for me < 1359270032 300545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone can be a monqy < 1359270036 158356 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=/ < 1359270043 957589 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I read about it I get stuck on product types. True story. < 1359270049 364257 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really? < 1359270052 295447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :product types? < 1359270060 590768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part < 1359270068 80363 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuitionistic_type_theory#Connectives_of_type_theory like i just look at it and "uhhhhh" < 1359270070 792508 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correspondence between products and conjunction? < 1359270086 400464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dependent products? < 1359270095 723123 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi-types aren't quite what i'd call "product types" < 1359270097 719577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you "meant conjunction" < 1359270099 888410 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1359270102 818816 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant pi types yeah, fuck < 1359270109 375409 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :product types are so easy etc etc shachaf < 1359270114 538920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi types are "p. cool too" < 1359270127 895640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a bit to understand why they're called that < 1359270144 148271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes perfect sense < 1359270145 596193 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's something Exciting and Deep like euler's primality thingie. < 1359270148 747442 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buuuuut i'm slow. < 1359270179 331764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are sigmas confusing too? < 1359270188 10909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you "ok with them" < 1359270195 920911 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, i suppose pi types are sort of like the "reals are functions N -> N" thingie < 1359270213 861789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that < 1359270220 923443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe?? < 1359270228 175669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reals are functions N -> Bool imo < 1359270236 511399 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure if you're a poser < 1359270242 902706 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: weeelllllll do you at least get non-dependent functions < 1359270265 988758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's the important first step < 1359270278 435143 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1359270296 122541 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just read tapl more thoroughly instead of bugging irc < 1359270309 936398 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapl doesn't really go over this much < 1359270314 359222 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it < 1359270328 660503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just learned about it "from the internet" < 1359270355 584850 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you internet < 1359270360 140104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe attapl does? but yeah it's everywhere < 1359270377 268872 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. any self-respecting introduction to coq or agda will have it < 1359270383 679012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1359270385 943843 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought curry-howard was super basic as type theory goes < 1359270393 792526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "basically what agda is all about??" < 1359270398 377904 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359270493 848865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw sigma and pi types are good too < 1359270496 640742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should learn them < 1359270502 560800 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359270545 200001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo sigma types are maybe simpler? < 1359270551 588858 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigma types are simpler yes < 1359270558 729975 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a good analogy with stuff like < 1359270567 73059 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{n : nat | n < 5} < 1359270591 411169 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural numbers less than 5 ~ natural number /\ a proof it's less than 5 < 1359270611 550731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1359270612 33042 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh < 1359270653 206919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sigma type is just a tuple where the type of the second element depends on the value of the first element < 1359270669 257658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if that wasn't clear¿¿) < 1359270675 229649 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi types are just functions where the result type depends on the value of the argument! < 1359270693 362274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can have something like < 1359270695 639541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359270710 792498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason they're called that wasn't obvious to me when i first heard of them < 1359270721 694825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i actually first heard of them when i went to a talk about homotopy type theory?? < 1359270723 641593 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forall n, n + 1 > 0` is the type of functions fron natural numbers to proofs that their successors are greater than 0 < 1359270727 19776 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: forall: not found < 1359270731 283734 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ^ < 1359270732 971074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bit "over my head" at that point even though i followed a little bit < 1359270738 124143 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to know more about homotopy type theory :( is it good < 1359270743 261987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i find the slides < 1359270751 562065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounded good < 1359270754 694939 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because they're a product of like, 0, 0+1 > 0 and 1, 1+1 > 1 and 2, 2+1 > 1, and so on < 1359270767 786847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://comonad.com/reader/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/slides.pdf < 1359270781 815077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there isn't very much on the slides < 1359270784 970545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "mostly talking" < 1359270806 418831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1359270830 261831 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad i'm far enough in math that saying a product of that makes any sense makes any sense < 1359270836 334836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when you have forall epsilon exists delta blah(epsilon,delta) < 1359270843 352601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like a function that takes epsilon as an argument < 1359270849 207280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives you back a delta along with a proof about the delta < 1359270870 271575 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i should go over this and churchill at the same time < 1359270875 968979 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :epsilons all over that fucking thing < 1359270877 656838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo : (epsilon:R) -> (delta:R, blah epsilon delta) < 1359270907 944363 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably that ties into grothendieck or homotopy or whateverthefuck < 1359270908 161470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where blah is a proof < 1359270941 677535 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how far i can follow these slides without any talky..... < 1359270956 616831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw those slides were by dolio he knows some things about this?? < 1359271475 421132 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359271628 403378 :yorkdove!~chatzilla@c-69-142-111-103.hsd1.nj.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359271684 633491 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey if I'm inferring types for function definitions < 1359271692 633533 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those can be in any order and possibly mutually recursive < 1359271714 3440 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can't just assign each definition a type variable up front < 1359271721 272641 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instantiate them after the fact < 1359271724 348516 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read up on coinduction, evincar < 1359271732 317096 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because each usage site can have a different type < 1359271744 694467 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that not what youre asking about... < 1359271761 762521 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1359271778 570537 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read up on polymorphism? gosh, what are you doing < 1359271786 147965 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking about how best to have terms associated with type schemes that are not computed yet. < 1359271813 710328 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laziness seems like the wrong approach here. < 1359271817 216674 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok do you know about hindley-milner? < 1359271825 921156 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359271826 394062 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extensions thereof? < 1359271828 766974 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359271830 460407 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359271871 559212 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know about the whole generate-constraints-on-your-types-and-then-unify thing? < 1359271878 893313 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I'm doing. < 1359271882 697135 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359271932 37478 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what your problem is?? < 1359271976 6893 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's a problem... < 1359271976 953332 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359272018 328709 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm doing now to allow arbitrary order is first associate each definition with a fresh type variable. < 1359272034 893486 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359272035 945700 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically a type scheme with no quantified variables. < 1359272056 793330 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then run inference on those definitions. < 1359272083 67978 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the resulting type schemes and instantiate each one then unify the result with the corresponding variable. < 1359272095 851955 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like this isn't right. < 1359272125 256495 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because separate invocations get the same type variable which is unified with the result of instantiating the type scheme *once*. < 1359272131 189135 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you feel isn't right about it and what do you mean by "type scheme" < 1359272183 810404 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a type + quantified type variables. < 1359272190 926068 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A forall. < 1359272213 665688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just a plain ol rank-1 universal type? < 1359272217 632414 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1359272219 595770 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359272289 114879 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems to not exhibit the problem I thought it would, or my test case is wrong. < 1359272333 317750 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't quite understand your problem < 1359272377 123287 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different invocations of the same function can be given different types. < 1359272380 967315 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make sure I don't break that. < 1359272454 506373 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how would it break it? if your function gets a universal type and your stuff isn't TOTALLY BROKEN then you shouldn't be unifying it with any instantiated stuff < 1359272459 378650 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you're saying < 1359272492 472499 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your rules for function application and so on should handle it?? < 1359272514 601097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw why doesn't ghc support existentials < 1359272529 320189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should imo < 1359272533 581123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep seeing things like files that state how many lines they have (in programming competitions), and thinking that it's for the benefit of C programmers < 1359272538 379205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what sort of existentials? there's that one LANGUAGE thing! < 1359272540 42437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have an unreasonably low opinion of C? < 1359272545 854012 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1359272568 720549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is even with existential types, they were in tapl but they were really weird < 1359272588 172979 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's lots of different things that fall under the umbrella of sigma types < 1359272591 387872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no first-class existentials < 1359272616 418575 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er assuming you mean existential quantification < 1359272795 543827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "easy" cases of sigma types are the ones where the left thingy is a type and you use it in the right thingy, like what happens in tapl where it's used for encapsulation or something like that, and where the left thingy is a value and the right thingy is some curry-howarded proof about it like in my example with {n : nat | n < 5} < 1359272808 339538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're really fancy you can care about both projections!! < 1359272813 597051 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's the encapsulation that was weirding me out < 1359272822 826785 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do programming systems actually use that? < 1359272856 106268 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask elliott for opinions about existentials :-) < 1359272875 688523 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like when you had me ask ais about feather < 1359272883 768630 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it also an existential when you have, say, data Box = forall a. (HasFoo a) => Box a < 1359272894 102121 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't know!! woops < 1359272901 859976 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a heterogeneous list of boxen which all HasFoo. < 1359272902 98305 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did I? it's....similar :-) < 1359272915 658974 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when I say "you" i mean "the multiheaded demon that is #esoteric" < 1359272920 621080 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a very cruel smile you have there < 1359272937 896709 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when I say elliott has opinions about existentials < 1359272941 910053 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean elliott has opinions about existentials < 1359272946 175507 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1359272991 460468 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: sure < 1359272996 643665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: apparently it has to do with how you can't express them in Core?? < 1359272997 827777 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That being [exists a. HasFoo a => a]) < 1359273005 950119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also why you don't have existential newtypes (even though you have data types) < 1359273020 23264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about core, :0 < 1359273025 544295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: type classes are the devil.................... < 1359273033 119995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well it's pretty much system f?? < 1359273040 565646 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I agree. < 1359273042 70539 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah ! < 1359273044 910003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :system fc "aka system f with coercions" < 1359273058 797493 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with type classes? < 1359273060 935846 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: you should ask elliott about existentials too < 1359273070 617007 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can have an asking elliott about existentials party < 1359273076 114961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :existentials are good imo < 1359273080 13123 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bring the punch. < 1359273082 418501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most things people want to do with them are bad < 1359273087 189022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, elliott will bring that < 1359273091 488337 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: elliott does not like it when I ask him things < 1359273092 672598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ask him about existentials < 1359273097 377964 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359273100 451742 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i bring chips < 1359273107 128824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"its a pun about elliott's violent tendencies where existential are concerned" < 1359273118 486686 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i got that can we move on to chips < 1359273129 809262 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bringing the pop corn < 1359273133 122813 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chips on shoulders. < 1359273135 801109 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke about how this will be fun to watch < 1359273149 78337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: good joke < 1359273172 323068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have a joke party < 1359273176 791567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we survive the other party < 1359273177 540186 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea ! < 1359273185 15784 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who else do i ask about things < 1359273186 246252 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll bring the punch < 1359273191 986258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so i don't know that much about system f except for the things i do know < 1359273197 629233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't it have existentials < 1359273198 577190 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais about feather, elliott about existentials, sgeo about... i dunno J probably < 1359273202 162648 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i ask monqy? < 1359273205 481150 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: system f is easy < 1359273223 253050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: right but apparently making ghc core work with existentials is "really hard????" < 1359273235 786364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is making system f work with existentials "really hard????" < 1359273242 330117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about J < 1359273253 591595 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359273253 848090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than it's a little like APL I think < 1359273266 417295 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed APL, just picture it < 1359273271 509615 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359273274 168048 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL with subtyping and polymorphism < 1359273291 262385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, someone made a comment and I saw it, years ago, this person liked Factor and J but those names were hard to Google. < 1359273305 110080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it was elliott who made that comment and is therefore to blame for me getting into Factor. < 1359273313 449892 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does system f even have existtential quantification < 1359273342 481278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oO < 1359273351 792588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"J is a modern, high-level, general-purpose, high-performance programming language." < 1359273355 54780 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that means, sgeo. < 1359273356 55918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "general-purpose" now? < 1359273362 226482 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean you'll tell me what to ask monqy? < 1359273366 550902 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you have to "encode" existentials in system f < 1359273375 515034 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy i love encoding things into other things < 1359273375 995581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know APL either. < 1359273397 130334 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would pretty much explain why Core doesn't have them though < 1359273421 798840 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a section on it in tapl! < 1359273435 558104 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it < 1359273438 800739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey "monad" is another word that varies from language to language. < 1359273446 112480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, "J" has a different-from-standard meaning < 1359273462 352562 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why did I quote J? < 1359273462 591741 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it just mean a word that only has one uh argument < 1359273465 885318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought something about extension of SQL to define new functions and aggregates, including anonymous, and which could be done without modifying SQLite, as far as I can tell. < 1359273470 273099 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a "dyad" < 1359273471 218123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think < 1359273471 958033 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has two < 1359273493 380768 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usage actually predates haskell so Check And Mate < 1359273511 136953 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell and/or whatever introduced monads to programming* < 1359273516 2928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck words. < 1359273523 602599 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :embrace descriptivism, my son < 1359273529 575137 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[tapl] exists X, T(X) =def= forall Y, (forall X, T(X) -> Y) -> Y. looks like one of those silly church encoding tricks < 1359273539 745961 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh. < 1359273575 685130 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfhaha, Wiktionary actually defines monad as "(mathematics, computing) A monoid in the category of endofunctors." < 1359273577 427303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god why would I even glance at J again if you learn J and then walk away for a while you forget everything all code becomes unreadbal < 1359273579 720541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unreadable < 1359273580 591142 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after leibniz of course. < 1359273589 594423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I assume that's the case < 1359273598 714789 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried it < 1359273619 841740 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be your greatest challenge yet. rather than learning a language, you will be unlearning it. < 1359273641 813078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once someone told me exactly how it means, "monoid in the category of endofunctors", then I can see, yes and that seem like it might be a simple definition of a monad. < 1359273682 607661 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty simple if you know what a monoid and an endofunctor are. Which most people don't. Go math! < 1359273754 435471 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is monoid in the category-theoretical sense right? < 1359273766 837328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, most functions don't have clear names < 1359273772 339339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part I didn't quite understand at first was "category of endofunctors" but once explained then it makes sense, since I already understand monoid, category, endofunctors. < 1359273779 759778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they have names, the names just don't show up in source < 1359273803 694746 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: they're "the same" aren't they < 1359273825 251084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does J have the sort of metaprogramming stuff that I heard APL has? < 1359273840 58955 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL has eval, does that count < 1359273884 561898 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoid_(category_theory) < 1359273910 407256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The effort required to become an expert J programmer is closer to that required to become an expert C++ programmer." < 1359273918 876164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that intended to be a good thing? < 1359273919 118107 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: idk if that's what you'd call "the same" < 1359273945 582092 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks the same to me!! < 1359274046 183358 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they still call it "multiplication" < 1359274342 729966 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Monoidal_categories what a good category < 1359274371 195743 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mediawiki allows categories to contain themselves though < 1359274375 789877 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can Categories contain themselves < 1359274402 832405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical categories do not contain themselfs in ordinary set theory, I think. < 1359274416 886344 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary set theory doesn't have categories, category theory does < 1359274454 244686 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1359274461 674168 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know right < 1359274486 65558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6!:0 '' < 1359274492 333379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a thing to get the date+time < 1359274495 599966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In J < 1359274504 420596 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1359274522 673113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's.... there's concision, and there's concision to the point of unreadability < 1359274524 883773 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way did you seriously start reading about J because i mentioned you and it in a joke that took half a second to come up < 1359274527 811333 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1359274534 734057 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a good joke! < 1359274541 30805 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still don't know what to ask monqy. < 1359274552 763559 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's some stuff to ask me, but i won't tell you < 1359274560 216086 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god fucking damn it < 1359274561 903287 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ask elliott < 1359274597 175139 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the fuckin command < 1359274601 843548 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask bike hello?? < 1359274602 60767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1359274608 860895 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott what do i ask monqy < 1359274609 77160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359274658 915384 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way < 1359274675 895582 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is category theory called category theory when as far as i can tell the relations between categories are like a trillion times as important as categories < 1359274703 115895 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relations between categories theory < 1359274709 629391 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll catch on im sure < 1359274768 428548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x+.y is the greatest common divisor of x and y . If the arguments are boolean (0 or 1), the functions +. and *." < 1359274770 469019 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functor theory i'm telling you < 1359274773 651781 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or morphism theory < 1359274780 103484 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could sound like moronic biologists!!! < 1359274796 269208 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359274797 470799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It.... almost makes sense to use +. and *. for GCD and LCM. In an insane sort of way < 1359274802 52183 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did that cut off < 1359274821 312253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to paste the rest < 1359274822 360219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are equivalent to logical or and and. " < 1359274828 799086 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what i thought < 1359274837 803044 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you know what would be cool? APL but with category theory instead of matrices and arrays. < 1359274846 47002 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new life goal, learn enough cat theory to make that esolang < 1359274892 287015 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a whole bunch of languages grounded in category theory aren't there? just none off the top of my head < 1359274906 444671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be called monoidoid theory < 1359274917 615435 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not to the extent apl is "grounded" in arrays...but what would that even mean for categories < 1359274921 269265 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imo yes < 1359274929 434541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monoidoidoid theory? < 1359274934 144001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xtreem version" < 1359274935 107483 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's too far < 1359274941 346667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy isn't xtreem enough < 1359274949 602682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for monoidoidoid theory < 1359274968 922525 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but do any of those languages use ⍋? < 1359274970 419257 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you xtreem enough for monoidoidoidoid theory??? < 1359274974 897817 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: who knows < 1359275020 387378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Perl is line noise, is J highly compressed Perl? < 1359275036 172763 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway so i'm going to take my copy of A Programming Language and my copy of Categories for the Working Mathematician and I'm going to use the cut-up technique to make a novel about ninja pornographers, and then burn the result and smoke it < 1359275140 927853 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a plan < 1359275281 392854 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Categorical quantum mechanics can also be seen as a type theoretic form of quantum logic that, in contrast to traditional quantum logic, supports formal deductive reasoning." < 1359275476 938617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 * 4 + 5 < 1359275477 180003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 < 1359275491 676468 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi?? < 1359275517 69363 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, apl doesn't have operator precedence < 1359275522 213738 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... i guess j is right to left? ok. < 1359275542 622897 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres all sorts of right-associativity going on yes < 1359275573 565547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔥𝔦 𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔮𝔶 < 1359275679 460537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used 3 : 0 to define the verb. The phrase verb define is equivalent and some find it easier to read. However, it hides information and we will use the 3 : 0 form. < 1359275682 318504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok < 1359275689 885938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This helps preserve my sanity a little < 1359275786 121230 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maybe you were right about this asking sgeo about j thing.... < 1359275822 566356 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to deny all responsibility for this now. thanks < 1359276017 255641 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359276996 397373 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359277047 303704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Control structures are only allowed in definitions and you cannot type one directly into the ijx window for execution." < 1359277053 827179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of Forth :/ < 1359277114 938903 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359277337 363861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb < 1359277365 208894 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachello < 1359277598 79786 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359277951 519398 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1359277985 130751 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359278138 571646 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359278533 377063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets irritated at J apparently using floating-point < 1359278551 143905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 0.5 and 0.25 are stored exactly, but the 0.1 is stored inexactly, and when displayed with maximum precision shows as 0.10000000000000001 . < 1359278551 425971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are facts of life with the way computers store floating point numbers and apply to all computer languages, not just J. " < 1359278597 507583 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-26.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359278796 183937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4622163 < 1359278799 864042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I punch this person? < 1359278800 614855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please? < 1359278815 473071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm, I guess it could be accurate < 1359278816 514846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1359278835 122371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In binary" isn't the same as "Using bits to encode it" < 1359278916 404281 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-26.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359279013 969366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punch first, ask questions later. < 1359279475 643675 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359279485 548563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fungot. < 1359279485 791992 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sorry, wrong channel. still makes the exact same < 1359279486 30227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1359279505 431890 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo @messages < 1359279505 672563 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages @messages < 1359279505 889643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel said 11m 5d 19h 35m 53s ago: You are a gentleman and a scholar. < 1359279505 889947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 7h 43m 22s ago: hi < 1359279528 417962 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost a year, wow < 1359279528 659404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... interesting. < 1359279537 704249 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.1 < 1359279539 97041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++ < 1359279539 338800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.1 < 1359279548 355622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 - 0.9 < 1359279548 839685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: we're having a moment of silence don't ruin it!! < 1359279549 803148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.999999999999998e-2 < 1359279559 406757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karmy monqy < 1359279559 623824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has a karma of -12 < 1359279567 651094 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karmy shachaf < 1359279567 907095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf has a karma of 5 < 1359279571 26864 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have -13 but then shachaf ruined it < 1359279572 473738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ monqy++ < 1359279579 359053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry" < 1359279582 531320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma monqy < 1359279582 747870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has a karma of 0 < 1359279588 564553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zen < 1359279596 560442 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thats what zen means right) < 1359279606 59646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might < 1359279608 470791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zen again, it might not < 1359279619 638643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1359279624 220955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::·) < 1359279664 929969 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o) < 1359279673 705619 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1359279683 142000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^) < 1359279687 495573 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() < 1359279704 565817 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0) < 1359279708 485418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help i don't know how to think < 1359279714 770538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Step k o r = Stop | Yield o r | forall t. Await (t -> r) (k t) r < 1359279715 318603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ????help < 1359279719 873504 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1359279726 234255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you simplify Await < 1359279731 946899 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this one of those things < 1359279741 422152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first i thought::::: forall t. (t -> r) ((k :+: Proxy) t) < 1359279745 502261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that doesn't work < 1359279746 31919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : it has an extended precision implementation < 1359279746 281487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? < 1359279746 498758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yes, you can use rationals instead of floating point < 1359279746 498925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3r5 etc. < 1359279752 80232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "what can you do" < 1359279757 237233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imafraid itis < 1359279797 400373 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ask elliott he knows everything about existentials < 1359279826 948974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo the Await part is like (r,CoYoneda k r) < 1359279831 850313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by imo i mean edwardk said so < 1359279837 288683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense < 1359279864 668801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw are you a CoYoneda expert < 1359279900 714017 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to my knowledge < 1359279912 880364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well you know how CoYoneda IORef = a read-only IORef < 1359279950 255192 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help which coyoneda should i be looking at < 1359280013 891004 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these haskell searchy things aren't working so great but they turned up a result at least < 1359280034 60119 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from zzo's package?? < 1359280038 403998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359280044 759640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoYoneda f a = forall r. CoYoneda (r -> a) (f r) < 1359280068 915186 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo's coyoneda uses different letters... < 1359280112 886778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use z < 1359280116 621242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard zzo likes that letter < 1359280129 987122 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a it uses x, and instead of r it uses z < 1359280162 253519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it should use z and o < 1359280167 516672 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1359280190 320317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: anyway when f is a functor CoYoneda f is isomorphic to f?? < 1359280198 704800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when it's not a functor you can get "weird things" < 1359280202 543036 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1359280210 809873 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool < 1359280231 477971 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359280234 478924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by cool you mean boring right < 1359280244 705495 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1359280251 659741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe THIS CoYoneda will be more to your liking!!!!!!!!!! http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/co-Yoneda+lemma < 1359280260 314325 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!!!! and edwardk was right about that Await part being like (r,CoYoneda k r) < 1359280266 697561 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359280279 979229 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm mm i'll read this maybe it will be more to my liking < 1359280285 494837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i know he was right < 1359280301 127009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was wondering whether you can express it like the way i said < 1359280306 383041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess not?? < 1359280313 101610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«every presheaf is a colimit of representables and more precisely that it is the “colimit over itself of all the representables contained in it”.» < 1359280326 265869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know what a limit is < 1359280330 391819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in a category" < 1359280349 818069 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe i used to? < 1359280362 424071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain it < 1359280370 692323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ct homework < 1359280374 16495 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i forgot what it is!!! are you just testing me < 1359280385 997700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except instead of school homework it's "someone giving you an exercise in irc homework" < 1359280557 360079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1359280611 920305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a no "homework policy" < 1359280656 979959 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a no-shachaf-asking-me-to-explain-things-he-probably-already-understands-and-knows-i-don't policy < 1359280700 440085 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :limits are probably really easy too but i just really don't know much category theory at all < 1359280742 828386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: actually i don't understand at all : ( < 1359280754 716750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess first i need to understand: < 1359280759 210957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :index categories < 1359280760 141356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagrams < 1359280760 886125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cones < 1359280773 74699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorizations < 1359280781 904853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"other stuffs" < 1359280784 142119 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You first need to understand everything < 1359280788 882131 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's easy < 1359280796 961385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to bake an apple pie first < 1359280799 88799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that's hard < 1359280805 572188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359280819 865601 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, you want a soft apple pie. < 1359280830 239558 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well afaiui a diagram is just another name for functor if you're meant to think of it as some category indexed by another category < 1359280830 846447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" can Categories contain themselves" small categories can contain only sets, big categories can contain categories, but only small ones. afaiu. there are no inherent problems with having a category that contains itself but usually you want to have some kind of set theory as well so the usual restrictions apply. < 1359280859 530753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystery solved < 1359280860 279399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a diagram is mapping a category to particular kind of other category right < 1359280868 923041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi oklopol < 1359280872 262689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know limits right < 1359280887 712865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i got it backwards < 1359280889 132550 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no know limits < 1359280935 209462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ordinary set theory has categories. it just doesn't have very large categories. if you restrict to a megahuge set of your choice, you still get categories buildable from those. < 1359280996 601358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Is megahuge set a technical term? < 1359281047 200900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow am i bad at types or what < 1359281053 610631 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ?? < 1359281053 867004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard :'( < 1359281056 721770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machines < 1359281063 95377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "Await" thing < 1359281073 271681 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i thought it smelled like 'machines' < 1359281079 698210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should learn coq to be good at types < 1359281151 371231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" you know limits right" i suppose < 1359281164 971039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to check which is limit and which is colimit tho < 1359281201 485290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my exercise is (no spoilers!!) < 1359281211 578055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove that every category which is small and complete is also cocomplete < 1359281226 37674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually i forget about it but sometimes i remember?? < 1359281292 604314 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose you have to take the definition of cocomplete and write it in terms of a limit, which will be small if the category is, so that the limit exists due to completeness. < 1359281306 772924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently this exercise has a "dark secret" < 1359281309 396234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my take without giving this the least amount of thought < 1359281314 372278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1359281328 591076 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of dark secret < 1359281399 877241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell shachaf Exercise: Any category that is small and complete is also cocomplete. Hint: This is a direct generalization of the lattice theoretic result, e.g. the supremum of the empty set is the infimum of the whole lattice. Extra credit: What is the dark secret of this exercise? < 1359281404 999819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was also a hint < 1359281429 83948 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a "dark secret" made of "dark matter" ? < 1359281464 991279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds about right < 1359281471 708587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding the hint i mean < 1359281494 294948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what the secret is. something about categories being ordered classes maybe. < 1359281496 250036 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark secret sounds like you might have to assume some nasty ol axioms < 1359281517 462919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i think it might a kind of dark secret that means "this has to do with a haskell thing" < 1359281523 483555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of "something i heard" < 1359281527 780997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just a guess < 1359281630 762453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember when ddarius was in #haskell < 1359281635 73176 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359281640 671169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!! < 1359281647 579925 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a "#haskell guy" < 1359281650 218726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius was the best < 1359281666 924579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "then yru in it" < 1359281674 624484 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1359281685 996999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well #haskell is terrible < 1359281690 620033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when ddarius is in it?? < 1359281696 893638 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because sometimes people say funny things < 1359281708 665454 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally i look over there when someone says a funny thing < 1359281714 935930 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually i just don't pay attention though < 1359281726 612521 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by funny i mean funny in a bad way < 1359281771 418095 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: Is megahuge set a technical term?" not afaik, although i wouldn't be that surprised if it were. < 1359281777 389941 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one time that guy had that thing about learning monads from the wikipedia page and not doing any other haskell until he grokked it < 1359281788 644920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that tiem!! < 1359281792 355204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to remember that some of the cardinal terms are somewhat silly < 1359281800 354888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he ever succeed "in his quest" < 1359281804 340259 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1359281811 362933 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he has said other funny things since then < 1359281815 229975 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i also forget < 1359281824 212768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was it < 1359281851 821368 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrumph iirc < 1359281875 256220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe we're thinking of different ones < 1359281897 507367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of "channel guy" are you < 1359281903 65779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric? < 1359281915 432887 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really a channel guy? < 1359282017 908808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1359282024 188997 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i secretly am < 1359282027 331395 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know it < 1359282029 123267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1359282088 842085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<~) :: Monad m => ProcessT m b c -> MachineT m k b -> MachineT m k c < 1359282091 263531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp <~ ma = MachineT $ runMachineT mp >>= \v -> case v of < 1359282093 951140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stop -> return Stop < 1359282096 362460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yield o k -> return $ Yield o (k <~ ma) < 1359282098 888568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Await f Refl ff -> runMachineT ma >>= \u -> case u of < 1359282101 646292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stop -> runMachineT $ ff <~ stopped < 1359282103 871069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yield o k -> runMachineT $ f o <~ k < 1359282106 420518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Await g kg fg -> return $ Await (\a -> MachineT (return v) <~ g a) kg (MachineT (return v) <~ fg) < 1359282109 451224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ridiculous < 1359282118 752298 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359282146 50194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :full of "fiddly bits" < 1359282149 617567 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1359282164 158367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | Build a new 'Machine' by adding a 'Process' to the output of an old 'Machine' < 1359282170 599487 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah < 1359282184 951262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process a b ~ Stop | Yield b (Process a b) | Await (a -> Process a b) (Process a b) < 1359282196 936701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second part of Await is the "failure case......" < 1359282214 750471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like a weird free monad < 1359282224 486475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a monad come to think of it < 1359282237 273337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just a coroutine monad applied to ()?? < 1359282267 146918 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a thing alright < 1359282286 928701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you a "free monad expert" < 1359282293 465141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you even an expert in anything?? < 1359282296 914230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than type theory i guess < 1359282308 780238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk probably not??? :( < 1359282316 742925 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some free monad stuff maybe?? < 1359282320 411368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kind of sound like an expert < 1359282352 942057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw you know the STT thing? < 1359282393 824325 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something type theory? im blanking on what the s is < 1359282431 707501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ST transformer < 1359282435 995634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boring haskell sorry" < 1359282439 148205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.... < 1359282448 320169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr.hird was trying to work out what a good primitive was < 1359282453 682227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he didn't mention it in here < 1359282460 854286 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont recall it < 1359282508 258539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so what's this Stop thing < 1359282513 373747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems "really final" < 1359282532 307855 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know much about 'machines' < 1359282566 339514 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im guessing it means "Stop" though < 1359282742 191786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it co-cone and not ne < 1359282780 297498 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal confusion < 1359282798 112537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :resist... urge... to say nfusion < 1359282809 784395 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry < 1359282843 618377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What do you call foo :: p b a -> Either (p b x) (p x a)? < 1359282897 545690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not know. < 1359282946 93258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call it? < 1359283023 990204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mpose < 1359283033 399091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it's not quite the right name. < 1359284215 654295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee :: Monad m => ProcessT m a a' -> ProcessT m b b' -> TeeT m a' b' c -> TeeT m a b c < 1359284218 669116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee ma mb m = MachineT $ runMachineT m >>= \v -> case v of < 1359284221 118819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stop -> return Stop < 1359284223 569741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yield o k -> return $ Yield o $ tee ma mb k < 1359284226 288331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Await f L ff -> runMachineT ma >>= \u -> case u of < 1359284228 611671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stop -> runMachineT $ tee stopped mb ff < 1359284231 215387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yield a k -> runMachineT $ tee k mb $ f a < 1359284233 676273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Await g Refl fg -> < 1359284236 130071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : return $ Await (\a -> tee (g a) mb $ encased v) L $ tee fg mb $ encased v < 1359284239 282960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Await f R ff -> runMachineT mb >>= \u -> case u of < 1359284241 693174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stop -> runMachineT $ tee ma stopped ff < 1359284244 103309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yield b k -> runMachineT $ tee ma k $ f b < 1359284246 761495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Await g Refl fg -> < 1359284249 244284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : return $ Await (\b -> tee ma (g b) $ encased v) R $ tee ma fg $ encased v < 1359284252 121435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359284320 468744 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do < 1359284327 888147 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone woops something < 1359284340 352951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it "tee's" 2 'machines' together < 1359284344 751519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something?? < 1359284348 883584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's backwards.. < 1359284364 92572 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it uhhhh < 1359284369 336421 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about two processes and a tee < 1359284374 134356 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get a tee < 1359284383 262940 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with composing some stuff maybe < 1359284391 151840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359284399 385417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but look at that implementation < 1359284403 862042 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah uh < 1359284404 79554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it'sc razy" < 1359284414 695224 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really want to look at that too much < 1359284425 276284 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not crazy enough for it < 1359284481 157520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um me neither............ < 1359284499 390304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have to be "real crazy" for it < 1359284507 182316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like even more than mr.hird?? < 1359284519 629831 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote it, mr.kmett???????? < 1359284533 625719 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 'machines' and all < 1359284616 34179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. < 1359284621 588999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats what "git blame" says < 1359284679 371850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it was one of the"other people" < 1359284689 410834 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was me < 1359284704 478902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mr.bjarnason or mr.chiusano?????????????????????? < 1359284721 343937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J forks remind me a little of Caleskell < 1359284732 586754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, the sin+cos thing, < 1359284834 395628 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359285169 760812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw did you read those slides < 1359285204 460010 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah..it made perfect sense up to the homotopys part and then it started losing me < 1359285229 744638 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i opened up some tabs with the stuff in it < 1359285250 14530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first word in the slides is "Homotopy".. didnt make it very far imo < 1359285285 94919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do you know about "axiom K" and all that < 1359285297 917119 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen "axiom K" but never used it < 1359285309 896369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1359285317 838006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no that wasn't < 1359285325 470756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a lead up to a pun!!!!!!) < 1359285351 311095 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with it is limited to that chapter of "cpdt" about equality proofs. i think there's a section on axiom k in there? < 1359285375 425426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read "cpdt" :'( < 1359285381 730115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shold i read that < 1359285386 874301 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my preferred coq book < 1359285403 540796 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to learn coq and want to learn it from a book < 1359285411 73128 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's what i'd recommend < 1359285427 772154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ´software foundations´ < 1359285489 961077 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :software foundations goes into some pl theory stuff but sorta skimps on the coq, so it's maybe a good introduction to some of that stuff and in particular working with it in coq but < 1359285572 336012 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel it's satisfactory if you want to get a taste from your book of the sorta stuff cpdt offers < 1359285593 938788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i know nothing about anything < 1359285597 70959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one should i read!! < 1359285603 152746 :mig22!~miguelort@bb121-7-133-96.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1359285690 744274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd suggest read cpdt and tapl but keep sf around in case you want a "second opinion". it's only second and not third because of that Benjamin Pierce intersection < 1359285734 337490 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also recall sf having more exercises than cpdt that are interspersed throughout the text so you might want to follow along with it too if needed < 1359285781 301580 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular if you want some pl-y exercises catered to coqwork; tapl's are more pen-and-papery unless you build the coq ground-up which is entirely reasonable if you want to I won't judge you if you do that < 1359285825 63731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok < 1359285836 742051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by read tapl i guess i mean read however much into it as it helps you understand the theory and how to work with it (proofs, etc)...no need to read it cover to cover and reabsorb all the details you're already familiar with < 1359285878 196395 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the chapter dependency list might help there... < 1359285914 379094 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want to be thorough you could also learn agda and read attapl, neither of which i have experience with... < 1359286069 837230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359286078 468157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be a lot of reading < 1359286092 719667 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to be that thorough!!! I sure wasn't < 1359286107 154233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but you already know everything right < 1359286107 877291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i often feel i should be that thorough.......... < 1359286113 755265 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know agda :'( < 1359286127 664434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy "already knows everything except agda and some math stuff" monqy < 1359286145 138694 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular there are some things that i'm curious as to how agda handles, not having tactics and all < 1359286166 515536 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like tactics are gross but they can sorta help with a few really gross things and if agda can handle them nicely that'd be really great < 1359286225 315708 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other agda proofy stylistic things that i'm interested in but not as interested < 1359286316 439950 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359286347 895973 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359286386 610931 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359286420 727549 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359286576 637832 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1359286605 947036 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359286635 958043 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1359286809 714674 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359287467 926185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359287843 998321 :mig22!~miguelort@bb121-7-133-96.singnet.com.sg PART :#esoteric < 1359288220 412603 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359288350 952935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartness_relation < 1359288420 797738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ☝ < 1359288426 945450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about "that stuff" < 1359288475 80631 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh i think iv'e seen it maybe once? < 1359288480 996278 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know much about it at all < 1359288486 26574 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from well it exists < 1359288501 887773 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the thing with constructive logic < 1359288506 418143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well that's like a cocategory!!!! < 1359288517 189253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's "also commutative" < 1359288535 38024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it's not quite it?? < 1359288556 764789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know about "constructive stuff" so maybe you know about it < 1359288577 77366 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen apartness relations outside of wikipedia woops woops < 1359288582 706482 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-transitivity is kinda wacky tho < 1359288600 998144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-transitivity is what you get when you "bbiizzaarroo"ify composition < 1359288607 829400 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1359288618 513900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you remember how bizarrification went < 1359288627 589553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reverse the arrows" < 1359288637 897805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not just plain old reversing the arrows < 1359288646 551538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolio said this is called a cointernal category?? < 1359288654 312918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have to switch from products to sums < 1359288658 170959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want to < 1359288666 355042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about that < 1359288671 354766 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1359289182 334935 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359290333 645635 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359290338 537736 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359290523 497150 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359290797 149765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359291056 701020 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359291087 551460 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359291114 7707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disconcerting discovery of the day: there is a duran duran wikia < 1359291153 299123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hantom_Hoover < 1359291182 206743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hampton hoover? < 1359291201 440274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh Phantom_Hoover < 1359291307 367371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the band or the barbarella character, and which would be more disconcerting? < 1359291428 156791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well it'd be a bit of a stretch to have a whole wiki about a barbarella character < 1359291441 486449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so. < 1359291447 510374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjan < 1359291469 719384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachi < 1359291716 655389 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359291774 919996 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHA chaff < 1359291894 291363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1359292048 259567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1359292119 645791 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I didn't expect hackego would be broken this long < 1359292151 700222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: wtf were you doing in there. also i don't think reverts are cumulative. < 1359292197 914881 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wellll I did learn something < 1359292204 326599 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv hangs if it can't find the BOM < 1359292304 775249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i realize why there was that strange delquotee file < 1359292322 787309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sed -ie doesn't work as sed -i -e, it does -i with e as backup file suffix < 1359292328 39622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh now < 1359292351 787791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo delquotee sounds like a "good idea" < 1359292363 160032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most of the quotes in here < 1359292385 829744 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's "easy" < 1359292406 133224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1359292540 296948 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh `revert is like emacs undo < 1359292551 670418 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood emacs undo < 1359292570 23799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs undo is where a second undo undoes the first undo? < 1359292604 3507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. < 1359292607 218222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's emacs undo? < 1359292634 81982 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... complicated < 1359292635 996963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@gregor HackEgo is dead, also please tell me there is a way to get the HackEgo website to show diffs between a particular revision and the tip < 1359292636 237701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1359292641 845945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell gregor HackEgo is dead, also please tell me there is a way to get the HackEgo website to show diffs between a particular revision and the tip < 1359292642 62518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359292665 28586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Dipointed a where tip :: p a a < 1359293032 863705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you were messing around with HackEgo so much i'm paranoid about what you actually achieved... < 1359293157 651060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's pretty cool that one of the big category theory guys lives in a shack in the pyrenees now <-- maybe i should move to a shack in the pyrenees. i might actually get more done that way. < 1359293233 301046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting suitable broadband might be a bitch, though. < 1359293404 991214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell OeRjAn is lambdabot case sensitive about nicks? < 1359293405 208079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1359293411 635704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not. < 1359293458 227790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor Because checking if someone messed up horribly with a long row of commands is a bitch. < 1359293458 444208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359293636 536612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't even know what a monoid is <-- a monoid is a member of the variety of universal algebras with two operations (*) (binary) and e (constant) given by the equations a*(b*c) = (a*b)*c, e*a = a, a*e = a. hth. < 1359293680 196135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a variety is a family of universal algebras given by such equations.) < 1359293681 642245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1359293684 817287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy :D < 1359293687 354609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it! < 1359293754 105237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the equations are supposed to hold for all a,b,c.) < 1359293898 976348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other well-known varieties are the varieties of semigroups, groups and rings. fields are not a variety because one of the rules of fields (x invertible if x /= 0) cannot be expressed with such equations. < 1359293919 338103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rules/axioms/ < 1359293956 585697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector spaces can be a variety if you're willing to have one operation for multiplying by each scalar. < 1359294042 885990 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359294109 386267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even d-modules are a variety in that way. < 1359294138 479052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ordinary modules over a fixed ring are. that's just a minor generalization of vector spaces.) < 1359294147 499481 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we give timwi a warning? < 1359294173 192074 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For nominating his own language for featured language < 1359294345 121351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just did. < 1359294370 105884 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant a Warning < 1359294565 151116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the Process section seems not to be clear enough that you're only allowed to suggest _one_ language. < 1359294834 89703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funciton _is_ nice though, someone should nominate it :P < 1359294883 611223 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't currently nominated a language, but personally I don't like Funciton, so I won't < 1359294895 75282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359294923 205773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Ziim also looks pretty < 1359294997 686381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ridiculously hard to program < 1359295488 241031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote wait cricket /= croquet?????????????????????????????????? < 1359295493 34371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359296124 52372 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359296817 425973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan......... < 1359297682 70417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wake up and shachaf is still doing it. < 1359297682 309718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1359297699 836327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing what? < 1359297705 37608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried to sleep and didn't manage it. < 1359297928 418549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because doing it is s*hit by falling anvil* < 1359298041 136107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it is shit? < 1359298048 713671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359298086 110775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anvil is supposed to punish horrible puns, not make them < 1359298429 564606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nominating two of my own languages and one other." < 1359298436 558903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any user (whether registered or anonymous) can suggest a language to be featured by listing it on this page; however, *suggesting your own languages is forbidden*." < 1359298443 742621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+ < 1359298481 402830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i also edited that "a" to a bolded "one" < 1359298492 158791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it was quite clear before < 1359298498 780083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough. < 1359298633 951166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds r/AskHistorians dangerously addictive < 1359298671 285110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you readinggit oerjan? < 1359298675 900757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1359298679 582842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad idea < 1359298710 858788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm considering closing the subreddit after reading the tabs i've already opened < 1359298733 908929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's s/after/before/ just to be sure < 1359298873 580619 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359298935 558878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a policy in top comments against speculation, and also a policy against quoting wikipedia. you just know it's high quality. < 1359298935 815191 :yorkdove!~chatzilla@c-69-142-111-103.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359299044 939709 :yorkdove!~chatzilla@c-69-142-111-103.hsd1.nj.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1359299388 592900 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359299752 831773 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359300275 138250 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359300305 377456 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359301520 706074 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359302278 31007 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359302764 979330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359302875 237342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbyerjan < 1359308014 900907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeolang is J now? < 1359308066 89351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeolang has always been J. < 1359308068 60154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :War is peace. < 1359308214 738888 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359308252 509714 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359308837 532796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359310063 51895 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359310174 605824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1359310181 790086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359311009 552606 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359311015 580952 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1359311204 451028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1359311245 423722 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1359311624 83406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLOOOOTS http://zem.fi/esostats/people_tod.html (disclaimer: is beta) < 1359311683 397120 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading data. (Probably...) < 1359311693 190653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it's probably loading. < 1359311697 526591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not. < 1359311699 871730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yay < 1359311704 691478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why right now though < 1359311713 873139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and it loaded finally < 1359311722 864909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: But it would say "hopefully" if it didn't run scripts at all. < 1359311802 915102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I mean, I think it was shachaf that told me to make http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_h.html when there was discussion about the h-index of yesterday, and it just sort of went from there. < 1359311803 658799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is there number of characters per message? < 1359311815 164627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I want to see if I write longer messages at certain times of the day < 1359311815 382253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. It's all very preliminary. < 1359311836 61624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, but it would certainly be an interesting result if that varied widely < 1359311928 89102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it should be probably possible to deselect "other" if you just want to see your own numbers and aren't prolific enough for that to be a large fraction. < 1359311948 610062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How did you pickify the list of people? < 1359311955 491432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I am on that list ~50 times. < 1359311965 197033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like how can you please let that list be resized or make it bigger? < 1359312006 837205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how that plot shows me being awake roughly 24 hours a day. < 1359312027 581659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By an impartial method, I forget how exactly. Something about taking some kind of a top-100 list and then grouping duplicates I noticed. (I don't really know all your various names.) < 1359312046 519911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows me as being the most active around 9pm < 1359312062 776110 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that inaccurate < 1359312075 287408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No. < 1359312085 81412 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do i ask monqy < 1359312087 965508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why is fax "fax:" on that list? < 1359312105 628557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably typoed. < 1359312121 206955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, I'm actually on the list twice. < 1359312126 47939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can merge zuff in. < 1359312136 364583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg fancy graphs < 1359312143 173769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you run this on #haskell? < 1359312165 583346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't have #haskell logs in my postgres db. I'd need to write an importer first. :/ < 1359312241 592789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have merged it (and fixed fax), but it'll take a while before I can be bothered rerunning the whole people-activity deal. It's written so that it's cheap to update incrementally, but processing the whole thing takes maybe twenty minutes if I change the list-of-collected-nicks. < 1359312242 621894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/fig/bots_20y.png < 1359312251 783441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How come lambdabot-or-maybe-fungot started existing in 2002? < 1359312252 266189 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the best way would be to interpret them as it wants, evaluating them at macroexpansion time, i decided i'd make an asian pregnant one. or something. < 1359312257 750370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one-pixel line. < 1359312262 429209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal TOPIC #esoteric :WHYH HHHHHHELLOHH THEHRE | FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE | concealed in fold of goat-time lumber | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Graphs! http://zem.fi/esostats/index.html < 1359312269 892402 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how do you feel about this? < 1359312270 376238 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i just had more pieces. and then, do so < 1359312280 341446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's just it defaulting to zero from the beginning of the logs. :/ < 1359312309 304160 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the topic is making progressively less sense... < 1359312349 872541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ START AGAIN < 1359312355 404245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, selecting a normalized plot for 2002 looks REALLY weird < 1359312356 127956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH. < 1359312360 775217 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no data for most of it? < 1359312383 340587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the channel only existed for, like, a few weeks in 2002. < 1359312398 916362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hm < 1359312407 402060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it's really quite sparse. < 1359312419 367529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose it does end up as zeros for most of it. < 1359312435 42444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are gaps up until 2006 I think you do a single year < 1359312445 2227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :less and less gaps for each year < 1359312503 21618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The gaps go (partially) away if you add some smoothing. I suppose it's just hitting particular two-minute intervals for which the total numbers end up as zero. < 1359312524 495771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359313119 378448 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359313157 783521 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359313181 292302 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359313249 382046 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1359313403 670531 :Taneb|Away!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1359313848 764003 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott seems to be quite active < 1359313869 679491 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to these graphs < 1359313977 845729 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are graphs charting individual people? < 1359314030 713274 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it shows elliott in yellow, ais523 in red, oerjan in blue, fizzie in green etc. for me < 1359314032 960141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why do the graphs go back 20 years... < 1359314069 192902 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elliott alone seems to produce about 1/4 of the messages < 1359314092 934188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: weren't you here in 1993 < 1359314100 705236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1993 was 20 years ago???????????????) < 1359314116 790928 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359314126 911235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i was only born 2 years after 20 years ago! < 1359314176 593630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Phantom_Hoover is old < 1359314184 736006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly < 1359314188 750812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :past your ʹ Phantom_Hoover < 1359314190 551280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sry" < 1359314195 119265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at the threshold of old < 1359314206 370457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i'm only a year younger than Sgeo used to be < 1359314213 304966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :threshold < 1359314217 324394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coïncidence? < 1359314220 784233 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes his cane at you. < 1359314221 830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1359314224 42685 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join me, oerjan. < 1359314238 175521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please Gregor < 1359314248 146889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only oerjan and cpressey are proper old < 1359314274 134522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm proper old :'( < 1359314277 374854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359314283 602290 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359314293 976926 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1359314324 415745 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you're stupid fake old < 1359314330 673044 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the use of "x" boom in 2005? < 1359314343 100243 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new esolang with that had an x in it? < 1359314351 601204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie seems old but i think he just acts his age < 1359314353 846284 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame elliott < 1359314365 934096 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359314375 520947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "fuck" has a meaning that depends heavily on context, and arguably doesn't have a meaning in its own right nowadays < 1359314383 498249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, can it actually be considered a swearword? < 1359314387 354185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("shit" is in a similar situation) < 1359314393 278993 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a swearthingy < 1359314419 420175 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not if prefixed by "brain" :D? < 1359314422 429381 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359314429 808577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfuck" is its own entity < 1359314438 321132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a swearword when you use it for swearing? whatever swearword is supposed to mean < 1359314454 480229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a good point < 1359314473 178968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the definition of a swearword is a word whose actual meaning is irrelevant, you just say it when annoyed or for shock value < 1359314496 231038 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359314499 976451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um no < 1359314504 382830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: proper < 1359314530 591550 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid fake < 1359314538 830182 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're really 12 < 1359314550 374925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and why doesn't the same apply to 'damn' < 1359314552 889690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish < 1359314572 539891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that definition makes "fuck" clearly a swearword < 1359314586 175639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: when used as a swearword, it does; "damn" without context is without context < 1359314588 777282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, I guess so < 1359314605 238806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the argument is more that they aren't swearwords unless they're being used as swearwords < 1359314605 876647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so do you interpret 'fuck you' the same as you do 'damn you'. < 1359314610 815608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know: voltage is a swearword < 1359314626 350842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say it for shock value all the time < 1359314627 554857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, but "fuck you" is a compliment rather than an insult if you interpret it that way < 1359314657 652560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, some people would disagree strongly on that point. < 1359314686 254854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonconsensual sex is not generally agreed to be complimentary < 1359314691 228983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do I completely misunderstand the interpretation here < 1359314713 989058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THAT WAS A PUN BTW) < 1359314718 72630 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swearing is what happens when I break hackego < 1359314809 944078 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had an impedance mismatch with that pun, try a more current one. < 1359314829 121492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm < 1359314837 145041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing about the word "fuck" that implies nonconsensual, though < 1359314853 97219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's actually being used with its original meaning, it normally refers to consensual sex < 1359314862 353739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1359314918 267732 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck is actually a pretty ancient word < 1359314919 958828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I rarely hear it used with its original meaning < 1359314923 955 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "original meaning" < 1359314929 203411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well surely if you interpret "fuck you" hyperliterally like that it is an unsolicited sexual advance < 1359314932 338788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying!!!!! < 1359314943 317442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this interpretation seems pretty hopelessly tortured in general though < 1359314948 163880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's not even really grammatical < 1359314951 378189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1359314952 381810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, be honest, how often do you hear damn used with its original meaning < 1359314954 207257 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be "fuck yourself" < 1359314960 594460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It may go back to the Proto-Indo-European *pug-, *puǵ- ("to strike"; source of Latin pūgnus (“fist”) among many others) ..." < 1359314971 397239 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckilistics < 1359314981 537805 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359314984 751273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wouldn't there be cognates then... < 1359314996 72259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm < 1359314999 93296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not zero, but it's quite low < 1359314999 582421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh elliott < 1359315000 59187 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.43.18 QUIT :Changing host < 1359315000 275782 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359315002 559900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1359315025 181376 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: like german ficken? < 1359315043 65708 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's not actually cognate < 1359315053 402170 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :false fuckbuddies < 1359315060 305760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1359315060 585119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1359315067 274659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh elliott < 1359315073 422102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1359315074 985727 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it might be cognate < 1359315078 118860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it's broken < 1359315079 374416 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i love historical linguistics < 1359315083 783902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Jafet's fault < 1359315086 531024 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359315122 926513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did Jafet do < 1359315124 402389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What stops me with flooding $pwd with files until it's full < 1359315137 503374 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your highly developed sense of ethics < 1359315159 251022 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359315179 887757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, it's version controlled. < 1359315183 693704 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359315253 541384 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359315559 813885 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the topic of "to fuck": http://douglemoine.com/english-sentences-without-overt-grammatical-subjects/ < 1359315811 312446 :noam__!~noam@213.57.201.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359315894 274176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I think I discovered a new level of YouTube comment stupidity < 1359315896 611569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How on earth did you record video/audio in 2006?" < 1359315952 970368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1359315981 15251 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 was the year when they banned cameras < 1359316013 387519 :noam_!~noam@213.57.201.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359316075 16155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to double-check the year to make sure it didn't say 1996 (which would have been slightly less stupid) < 1359316096 416079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1726 < 1359316105 327986 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still could record video and audio in 1996 < 1359316146 600344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1359316157 821109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could excuse not knowing that, due to the primitive state of the Web at the time < 1359316171 808726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, as a result, the disconnect in hardware knowledge between different people < 1359316195 313740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could, in 1996. < 1359316227 562972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… in 1986, you could definitely record it, but not digitally < 1359316237 523146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to use film and tape < 1359316245 196897 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You just disappointed me. I always though you were a timetraveler :(. < 1359316251 958519 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1359316317 687402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, a hilarious thought: I saw an advert for the Nokia Lumia (their windows 8 phone thing), and the vast majority of the things advertised in the advert were hardware features, and unrelated to the OS < 1359316350 94226 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see that in the future, past or present? < 1359316352 60547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I saw an advert for the lumia, and went bleck at all parts where you could see windows 8 < 1359316371 369902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: past, /obviously/ < 1359316389 509781 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You never know < 1359316520 816856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I never know, why would you ask me? < 1359316545 870166 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/you/one && s/know/knows < 1359316589 751093 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess s/you(.*)knows/one\1knows would do that < 1359316657 610524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, I think I discovered a new level of YouTube comment stupidity "How on earth did you record video/audio in 2006?" <-- yeah that is pretty random. < 1359316665 46513 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, assuming you was referring to you, ais523, you might know it in the future < 1359316669 122111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid? maybe. It just seems totally random to me < 1359316671 964757 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess never includes future < 1359316697 814568 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I should perhaps have said "will never know" to avoid that situation < 1359316774 699586 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I finally figured out what 523 is referring to < 1359316780 340330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: it's a random number! < 1359316792 746920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tell this to anyone who asks, because it's true < 1359316797 978807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just people don't ask very oftne < 1359316798 273252 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not it's not, it's you keeping track of the instances there exist of yourself! < 1359316802 832064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*often < 1359316842 408224 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why you didn't want me to use ais521 - your good prime twin brother -: it was you but in a different time! < 1359316997 184337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359317109 585155 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like ais523 is actually a pointer to ais < 1359317123 271667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ais" is pretty ambiguous by itself < 1359317188 569627 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you actually an Artificial Intelligence System from the 523st century? < 1359317236 134079 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWAY! TO THE FIVE HUNDRED TWENTY THIRST CENTURY! < 1359317811 467484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't you always tell everyone about how it was your university account name or something < 1359317829 8872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah < 1359317831 769624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems ssh has an escape char in the form of ~ (try ~?). I knew of ~. before to kill a broken ssh connection < 1359317832 494694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the random number came from < 1359317837 277325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest of it was new to me < 1359317842 302398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's ~. < 1359317845 436305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you can add port forwarding on the fly < 1359317853 389005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what not < 1359317854 127943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, there are a bunch of other commands there < 1359317855 820905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm is it? < 1359317860 691841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is the escape char < 1359317866 516662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always had to add a new line at the end to make it work < 1359317868 449318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it'd be triggered by accident too often < 1359317876 569465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because my ~ is a dead key? < 1359317904 192385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, yeah, probably < 1359317904 673572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but yeah I need enter at the start too < 1359317914 174845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ~ is how you type the ~ < 1359317931 532083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I mean I go: ~. < 1359317934 29391 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it work < 1359317946 550578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh < 1359317951 653664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the space to deal with the dead key < 1359317985 901895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, enter altgr+~ altgr+~ . seems to work too < 1359318004 485724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~~ - send the escape character by typing it twice < 1359318005 488523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359318011 430691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 times for me? < 1359318032 993190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah XD < 1359318068 887500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~R - Request rekey (SSH protocol 2 only) < 1359318071 911096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1359318085 560813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359318198 125955 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359318312 174693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?shortest+non+occuring+sequence < 1359318320 717477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two algorithms to solve that problem. < 1359318329 12068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is to generate all possible solution < 1359318334 20384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wich is exponential < 1359318348 77548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, not exponential to the length of the input but exponential to the length of the solution. < 1359318364 638950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other algorithm is polynomial to the length of the input. < 1359318375 178360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1359318404 341513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously If you want a longer solution you have to cover more subsequences therefore the length of the input increases < 1359318425 355309 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the length of the input increases exponentially to the length of the solution. < 1359318440 197331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which states the question < 1359318447 8807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are both algorithms exponential? < 1359318462 534433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or simplified < 1359318521 24267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :given there is an algorithm a which can solve a problen in a^b which is independent of the input size < 1359318572 111397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an algorithm b with O(n^c) which is dependent on the input size and the input size increases probably somewhere near a^b < 1359318580 93101 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359318616 502590 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, hm interesting point < 1359318635 571790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can generate all possible substrings, sort them and find the first missing < 1359318642 408972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all in P. < 1359318670 172662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if that is actually slover than the brute force algorithm. < 1359318674 91440 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slower < 1359318794 693653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esentially < 1359318797 937304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example < 1359318810 961578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1359318824 858144 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brute force algorithm will find a solution in O(1) < 1359318833 867694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the result is a sequence of length 1 < 1359318844 217431 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359318855 48208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if x is the solution then xa...a is the solution to the similar problem with a fixed length < 1359318858 72994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the generate all substring algorithm takes a long time to solve it. < 1359318883 69330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1359318892 188507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that < 1359318958 504017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a classification for algorithms which do not depend on the size of the input but on the size of the output :D? < 1359319007 702031 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of the output is a function of the input, isn't it < 1359319013 518653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have to check your solution against the input < 1359319014 879076 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359319017 795927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does depend on the input < 1359319021 69251 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not one that's linear in the length of the input, in this case < 1359319036 198915 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its linear < 1359319039 864828 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably < 1359319056 332643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n*a^b) where a is the alphabet size and b the size of the output. < 1359319102 506071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: But you don't know the size of the output yet < 1359319117 944981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, b <= n obviously < 1359319138 302451 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, we're talking about the complexity of an algorithm, not finding the output itself! < 1359319176 853734 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complexity of euclid's algorithm depends on a shitload of insane stuff that's harder to find than the gcd~ < 1359319252 821067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one has to calculate how big n has to be to generate a solution of at least size b. < 1359319270 247236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what is the average running time of these algorithms though? < 1359319277 836689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359319302 171627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1359319316 189419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359319352 23676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a solution of length two you need at least an input of size 3 < 1359319355 593996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all I know :) < 1359319414 744587 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1359319443 886859 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359319444 325811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359319445 837893 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1359319456 83621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's difficult to calculate < 1359319462 539700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because abc covers bc < 1359319466 710511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and abc < 1359319513 789923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :abccaacbabb has aaa as a solution. < 1359319570 511655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you'd have to calculate how many characters you need to add to increase the solution to aaaa ;) < 1359319581 779402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, wasn't it the shortest solution? < 1359319591 746696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming the alphabet is abc) < 1359319626 476890 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-142.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359319635 585624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1359319642 584366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is exactly one solution if that's what you mean. < 1359319672 991451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty certain that the required input size increases exponential. < 1359319673 327761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, well there could be several. both bc and ac could be missing from the string for example < 1359319680 278134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All empiric data suggests so. < 1359319693 800434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no formal proof whatesoever to back it up :) < 1359319719 969370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( why aren't J verbs closures? < 1359319734 790070 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does J even have lexical binding < 1359319794 415620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a form of local variables < 1359319806 907239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=. inside a verb defines a variable local to that verb < 1359319847 852845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The tempest prognosticator, also known as the leech barometer, is a 19th-century invention by George Merryweather in which leeches are used in a barometer. The twelve leeches are kept in small bottles inside the device; when they become agitated by an approaching storm they attempt to climb out of the bottles and trigger a small hammer which strikes a bell. The likelihood of a storm is indicated by the number of times the bell is str < 1359319870 118722 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The likelihood of a storm is indicated by the number of times the bell is str < 1359319897 508178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :striken? < 1359320065 357792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course J control structures aren't expressions < 1359320068 774129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1359320141 364408 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey foul, you already complained about that yesterday! < 1359320154 585333 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i thought a large part of j was mapping things over things instead of control flow < 1359320237 498918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I complained about a different but related thing yesterday < 1359320246 693293 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolute with the step function instead of conditionalizing on <, or some shit < 1359320271 306017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be surprised < 1359320534 469227 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359320845 960802 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-104.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359320899 287231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell evincar The haskell solution to type inferencing arbitrarily ordered function definitions is to do an initial dependency graph calculation and infer strongly connected components together in an order such that everything they depend on is inferenced first. so functions in the same strongly connected component can only call each other with one type. you can use explicit type annotations to break this restriction ("polymorphic recursion") < 1359320899 503909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359321343 267305 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359321455 286317 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359321474 376977 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359321749 361929 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359322534 454165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo test < 1359322547 804505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1359322548 110862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1359322578 764640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 1871 < 1359322596 465245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1359322602 538520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1359322603 20650 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1359322638 43459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird how `help works < 1359322653 839119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://google.org/ < 1359322660 264457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359322662 954747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://google.com/ < 1359322669 452306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing else < 1359322683 98696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a file named /.pulse-cookie :( < 1359322697 664988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HackEgo THE BROKEN < 1359322763 593700 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well what is it < 1359322774 181977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pulseaudio bullshit < 1359322776 855869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or a rootkit < 1359322840 733188 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey i have it too < 1359322884 747799 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an "authentication cookie" < 1359322933 529786 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359322962 774750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an authentic cookie < 1359323331 56254 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359323399 919420 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359323592 729964 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359323592 986941 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359323592 987014 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359324081 809786 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359324153 903488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which help` < 1359324214 633689 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1359324218 14742 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell is anything working < 1359324235 899888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `help is not inside the sandbox, but then neither is `revert or `fetch < 1359324254 156579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs =: + ` - @. (< & 0) < 1359324313 738690 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems overcomplicated < 1359324320 858195 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have the sign function? < 1359324356 884026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: `help /could/ be inside the sandbox, so I was trying to determine whether it was or not < 1359324359 132770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show help < 1359324359 349374 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool)S < 1359324361 506144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably is, but I just took that definition from the book < 1359324387 487592 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359324427 62211 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo just :sign dup sgn *; < 1359324449 872675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs =: * * ] < 1359324455 758784 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-104.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359324465 829896 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er :abs < 1359324472 176992 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, i don't actually know forth < 1359324525 219354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, don't need a fork, I can do the other thing < 1359324528 921625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs =: * * < 1359324555 882379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's * < 1359324565 913470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a monad it's signum < 1359324573 428654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a dyad it's multiplication < 1359324577 816798 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1359324679 418411 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359324679 635218 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359324679 635377 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359326089 692618 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it as a quadrad? < 1359326208 46713 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1359326741 497728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea of a small header NSF variant, which may be used when storing the music in a SQLite database used with some game, for example. It is fourteen bytes, consisting of the bankswitches, load, init, play. The high four bits of the load address are used to control the VRC6, VRC7, FDS, and Sunsoft-5B expansions (the MMC5 and Namco-163 are always enabled). < 1359326949 319288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean =. +/ % # < 1359326956 146985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can that be written in pointfree Haskell? < 1359326977 186225 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of stuff are you allowing < 1359326992 306346 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359327002 191862 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl mean =. +/ % # < 1359327002 408177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 9): < 1359327002 625181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "+" < 1359327002 625399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting space or simple term < 1359327017 260861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the blob length is exactly twelve bytes, then it is instead a 64-bit rowid of the actual NSF data, followed by the A, X, Y, and flags. X must be zero or one, and this is also used to control NTSC/PAL. (For the format described above, A and X are zero, and the Y and flags are undefined.) < 1359327047 887434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1, 2, 3] < 1359327049 411566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1359327066 660867 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\arg -> (sum arg)/(length arg)) < 1359327066 877598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (/) sum length < 1359327068 349157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (/) <$> sum <*> genericLength $ [1,2,3] < 1359327070 36309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0 < 1359327117 149964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359327205 460499 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t <$> < 1359327206 667351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `<$>' < 1359327211 299815 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$>) < 1359327212 80872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite like the J version though. +/ is Haskell sum, but it's not primitive, / is sort of like a fold < 1359327212 568090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1359327230 576033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the J version has that whole built-in mapping thing going) < 1359327270 174611 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine sum is defined as foldr (+) or whatever < 1359327280 221924 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo pretty well the same < 1359327291 418441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (+) 0 < 1359327299 976348 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1359327324 520688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't entirely understand how / knows what identity to use < 1359327335 828651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :operations encode their identity in J < 1359327338 853266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also their inverse < 1359327341 16481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when they don't < 1359327351 850815 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt the term something like "obverse" < 1359327361 665981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359327367 139336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to look that up how do you know that < 1359327378 560891 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory for silly things like that < 1359327380 570406 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :been starin' at too many coins < 1359327383 586349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm looking at the J vocabulary again and remembering how beautiful a language it is < 1359327528 924603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it your fault for getting me into Factor and J with some comment somewhere about how they're your favorite languages but annoyingly ungoogleable? < 1359327538 70852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1359327541 133816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1359327559 304301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you written any cute J programs. I love cute J programs < 1359327567 866591 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so? < 1359327590 874557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359327592 372059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im disappointed < 1359327603 863332 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should write a roguelike in j < 1359327610 343486 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah) < 1359327632 885319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo yes < 1359327646 322615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: btw there are aliases for the magic numbers foreign uses in the J library < 1359327649 121077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi < 1359327660 347983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool < 1359327673 675651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about other magic numbers, like the Extract Gerund thingy? < 1359327704 157457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1359327708 297937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can poke around the code and see < 1359327907 249002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a roguelike in RogueVM. < 1359327937 554190 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a J->RogueVM compiler < 1359328042 959020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The result of 0: is a boolean 0 ; previously it was an integer 0 . Likewise 1: ." < 1359328056 194140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... what's the difference? Internal representation? < 1359328112 32837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You can try if you want to. < 1359328222 785352 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it has types < 1359328296 107626 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when i google "j language dictionary" i get a karen-english dictionary. what does this mean < 1359328390 942213 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: dead < 1359328487 89527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anna j karenina < 1359328633 466619 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359328734 96695 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-26.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359329405 984548 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net QUIT :Quit: BOOM < 1359329514 774096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah people are talking about J < 1359329538 165692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Bike for reminding me about J. < 1359329556 413628 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already denied responsibility < 1359329575 965005 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too late < 1359329603 967392 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i did it yesterday < 1359329606 419270 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :opposite of late < 1359329620 306982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hope you like J!!! < 1359329624 770729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's also a little Gilad Bracha's fault. In a talk about mirrors, he briefly mentioned APL as a language that has a lot of ... metaprogrammingness. APL makes me think J. < 1359329630 400813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does it mean that I read that as anna j ketamine < 1359329631 366176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I kmc < 1359329645 429475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow you still listen to things gilad bracha says... < 1359329720 859053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: possibly < 1359329891 18939 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is someone we know, aren't they? < 1359329904 398746 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359329954 662947 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like yes. < 1359330088 860811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's nooga < 1359330163 222499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no oga here < 1359330182 431879 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359330950 443679 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359330959 551125 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359331512 416329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/people_summary.html PLOOOOTS (also beta) < 1359331836 392400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure my activity level spikes iff interest in bfjoust spikes < 1359331849 157222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks fizzie you're the best < 1359332046 998682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: mine probably falls, as I spend more time thinking BF Joust and less talking on IRC < 1359332101 107555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your baseline activity level is higher than mine i think < 1359332121 549433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359332142 178334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah definitely < 1359332166 11106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1359332183 293425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust spikes are the one time i am more activious than you < 1359332201 478100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(activious is now a word) < 1359332465 161332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the chart for optbot. < 1359332490 417938 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i just realized "ploooots" was supposed to be the plural of "plot" < 1359332497 702935 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not a bunch of ploots (what's a ploot) < 1359332552 56072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm still not merged with zuff!! < 1359332577 678199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it doesn't say what the colours are < 1359332618 322762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, j-invariant and soupdragon are all separate too < 1359332626 370072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still not recalculated. And the colours are obviously obvious. < 1359332642 931125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the colours mean !!! < 1359332660 526125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue is the overall activity, and red is the selected nick. < 1359332666 295497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanxe < 1359332695 520780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it show me as not being active in 2007 at all < 1359332698 854202 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow elliott has ungodly huge activity < 1359332724 231000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happened on those two massive 6000+ spikes < 1359332732 56338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you use the nick "elliott" ever then? < 1359332737 683305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: iirc i have more than twice the lines said in #esoteric than the second person...... < 1359332741 802969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely a failure in nick merging < 1359332744 490714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no but it's meant to be merged and stuff < 1359332756 577355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which one of those three would be the "canonical" name? < 1359332757 542890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that when you were using "alise"? < 1359332771 346213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 nick was ehird < 1359332772 792979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it ehird` < 1359332778 649462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it wasn't < 1359332781 319674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ehird and then maybe a ` < 1359332783 48182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alise" was 2010 < 1359332783 771096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was < 1359332786 180792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359332790 41986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, context fail < 1359332790 258915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 'elliott': ['elliott', 'ehird', 'alise', 'tusho', 'aliseiphone', 'ehirdiphone', 'zuff'], < 1359332791 772448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not disagreement < 1359332795 627105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aha < 1359332800 706488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fizzie: aha < 1359332803 359895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well it's still in that menu at least < 1359332807 253501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you need ehird` in there SORRY < 1359332807 736557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 'ehird`' is the nick you're missing < 1359332814 14622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, it's old datta. < 1359332817 448738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also um < 1359332819 26500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel < 1359332821 197444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Which one of those three would be the "canonical" name? < 1359332822 404129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a handful of others < 1359332825 389437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go with fax, it was first < 1359332827 837127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't use estoppel very much < 1359332831 338140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what list do you have for me? < 1359332835 971274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo leave fax separated so you don't have to deal with the mess of who is fax or not < 1359332844 528982 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen2 estoppel < 1359332858 293783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was supposed to remove all trailing non-alphanumerics, but maybe it didn't. < 1359332873 476055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523 and ais523_ are different computers! < 1359332887 828670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a result, may talk about different topics < 1359332889 397306 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about alphanumerics in the middle < 1359332898 548409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ is substantially more likely than me to bitch about Java, for instance < 1359332899 30685 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1359332900 774950 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-alphanums < 1359332902 464162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're also missing "shachaf". < 1359332908 630637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf phantom____________________________________hoover < 1359332909 875368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elliott's gr8st pseudonym" < 1359332928 334489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For you I just have "ais523" and "ais523\unfoog". I made these by getting a top-100 list of overall activity. < 1359332928 551122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: uve been shachaffed!! < 1359332933 223369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i thought it was a "joek" < 1359332946 412757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I have _, __ and ___ manually listed for that. < 1359332946 670732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "scarf", "callforjudgement" < 1359332962 979082 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but think about how phantom____hoover feels < 1359332969 308857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see "scarf" ended up on the list, too. < 1359332972 683787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "this", though I don't have it registered < 1359332979 238778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only use it for the purpose of trolling myself < 1359333041 739398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is a silly thing to do. < 1359333070 572061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sort of thing is more legible when it starts "this" not "ais523" < 1359333241 708323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359334449 908710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you the "turn in crypto challenges in asm" person? < 1359335417 380096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359337313 231977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1359340172 986717 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359340325 595375 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359340535 735151 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359340607 416134 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359341115 101038 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I just realized something. < 1359341120 695021 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirrors are Turing-complete, aren't they? < 1359341140 15505 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you can store an arbitrary amount of accessible information in the position of a beam of light. < 1359341263 704733 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, if you consider a beam of light to have x and y coordinates (and it's traveling in the z direction), you can use mirrors to perform scaling and translation on x and y, as well as conditionals. < 1359341288 161462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can understand now how you mean. < 1359341294 11007 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a billiard ball computer? < 1359341320 745209 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. There's just a single "ball"; it doesn't interact with other moving objects. < 1359341327 341137 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359341358 810074 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359341376 94973 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359341385 139187 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ball just moves in a constant direction until it hits a mirror, at which point it bounces off and continues moving in the appropriate new direction. < 1359341405 859479 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your space is three-dimensional, this configuration is Turing-complete. < 1359341425 639721 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-26.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359341485 51434 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359341488 379340 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this wouldn't work in the real world, for many reasons, one of which is that real light diffracts. < 1359341525 789181 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you use an electron instead? I guess electrons also diffract. < 1359341566 626965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all objects diffract, in principle < 1359341574 534404 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i should say something about heisenberg but then i'd be pretending to know quantum physics, which i do not < 1359341588 801384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: whoa hw man thats so QUNAutm < 1359341592 641705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/ / < 1359341606 301468 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think Heisenberg's principle applies here. A photon does not have one distinct position. < 1359341616 813670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum? I don't even know 'em! < 1359341684 947091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359341774 623573 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359341830 7796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is *: defined when *~ is the same thing? < 1359341848 880603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least monadic *: ) < 1359341888 963186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does *~ have the inverse that *: does < 1359341900 569758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real answer is that i don't know tho < 1359341906 638446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #jsoftware < 1359341951 574078 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359342148 185925 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*~ is the 'reflexive' of * (~ being the 'reflex' adverb); i can't recall how that interacts with obverses < 1359342226 222904 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, the obverse of *~ is specially specified to be %: < 1359342237 709208 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. sqrt i.e. same as the obverse of *: < 1359342259 24975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you've reminded me of the optical computer for solving traveling salesman problem < 1359342285 373341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a bunch of beamsplitters and you connect them with optical fibers whose lengths correspond to the distances between cities < 1359342293 423654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you use interferometry (somehow) to find the shortest path < 1359342436 239662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that (somehow) < 1359342450 811470 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what's a good academic who does weird-ass computation stuff < 1359342463 207127 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked for adamatzky doing things like this but he's too busy getting stoned on BZ < 1359342516 713621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting stoned on BZ is a bad idea < 1359342534 462780 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the other BZ < 1359342544 184766 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one it's a good idea to get stoned on < 1359342545 149336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not the chemical weapon < 1359342565 995844 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, although i've heard apparently people have tried to use that recreationally... < 1359342570 925656 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the clock reaction < 1359342583 422072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that is < 1359342603 66114 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belousov-Zhabotinsky_reaction < 1359342615 331613 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :observe: pretty colors! < 1359342616 534209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those are neat < 1359342631 863799 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.1344 so, adamatzky does things like this with 'em < 1359342642 453011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/The_Belousov-Zhabotinsky_Reaction.gif < 1359342656 768962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359342701 99313 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a clock reaction is just a reaction that does something periodic, so you could use it as a clock if you wanted your clock to be made of acids. < 1359342720 591891 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway so not tswett lightmachines < 1359342733 511910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i heard about this slime mould computer too < 1359342779 37120 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359342785 670911 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359342792 295791 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a journal or something called "unconventional computing", that's more like it! < 1359342849 347766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The denizens of Carlisle, meanwhile, may wonder what objection slime moulds have towards their fine city." < 1359342852 552817 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Abstract Geometrical Computation 6: A Reversible, Conservative and Rational Based Model for Black Hole Computation' i think i'm going to be distracted < 1359342972 291930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359342975 425834 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1359343119 381035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you drop a supermassive computer into a rotating black hole while traveling at the speed of light then you meet god and can just ask him to solve your dumb problem < 1359343324 274672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote if you drop a supermassive computer into a rotating black hole while traveling at the speed of light then you meet god and can just ask him to solve your dumb problem < 1359343436 386217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have hackego withdrawal < 1359343466 472856 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "O father who art in heaven, I really need to win this CTF" < 1359343656 491924 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Can a Computer be “Pushed” to Perform Faster-Than-Light?' i love how far out these questions are < 1359343675 804807 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let us assume that Alice, Bob, and Charlie, the three classical people of cryptography are not limited anymore to perform a finite number of computations on real computers, but are limited to α computations and to α bits of memory, where α is a fixed infinite cardinal." < 1359343679 906319 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1359343737 114501 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359343744 430457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky them < 1359343766 24159 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good assumption i think < 1359343793 287937 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, I think this one is actually vaguely sort of near what tswett was saying. < 1359343796 31729 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«We propose to “boost” the speed of communication and computation by immersing the computing environment into a medium whose index of refraction is smaller than one, thereby trespassing the speed-of-light barrier.» < 1359343927 910540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have fairly mundane materials whose index of refraction is less than one < 1359343941 956395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because IoR is defined according to the phase velocity < 1359343951 701104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this doesn't imply superluminal transfer of information < 1359343957 130077 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :want the paper? < 1359343961 444337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359343964 925584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1359343977 810247 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1359344088 672006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan < 1359344092 480216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are the monoids today < 1359344132 125319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :summertime and the monoids are easy < 1359344169 969819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downgraded my old laptop from a SSD to a spinny disk < 1359344181 302302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1359344181 793615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to remember not to throw that one at sofas anymore < 1359344188 103939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i can give the SSD to a friend < 1359344188 320981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To put the SSD elsewhere? < 1359344190 288121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359344471 379250 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359344550 2925 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359344818 378497 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359345060 580417 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359345335 501231 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359345801 377300 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359346458 683664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read _Cat's Cradle_? < 1359346490 895338 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vonnegut? < 1359346521 273375 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonnegut time? < 1359346522 275490 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359346646 65550 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359346836 986044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359346866 592519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should read it! < 1359346874 399266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359347085 583821 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359347208 991227 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359348034 309528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :City on fire! / Rats in the grass / And the lunatics yelling in the streets! / It's the end of the world! Yes! < 1359348061 389462 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359348079 352093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there always rats < 1359348113 941535 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1359348121 934427 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1359348291 846512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. J seems like it might be a reasonable language to implement Befunge-98 in < 1359348393 7674 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359348396 736565 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359349322 790670 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359350071 367298 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359350103 299829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359350239 417694 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359350849 809313 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359351464 838253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, you know ho CoYoneda IORef gives you a "read-only IORef" that can't do any other effects? < 1359351470 261122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to "IO a" < 1359351495 36782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can either be a good thing or a bad thing. < 1359351508 6385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is APL more readable than J? < 1359351522 112998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do they both compare to Clojure? < 1359351552 366259 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is APL more readable than J" should be the PLT version of "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin". < 1359351612 804651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are monoids more lovable than categories < 1359351613 810405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo yes < 1359351646 170271 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long until you get tired of this beaky thing < 1359351673 404368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how long until you get tired of the "monqy style" < 1359351692 889385 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1359351712 407775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing < 1359351713 130792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo monoids < 1359351714 577998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imonoids < 1359351901 657516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids mo problems < 1359351951 342683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids mo annoyed < 1359352365 51939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359352777 537911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1359354119 831703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the noid ruins pizzas < 1359354250 732278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I crashed someone's Haskell bot with a GHC type system bug. < 1359354257 990256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By crashed I mean unsafePerformIO-then-segfault < 1359354258 511934 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1359354269 314382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thx < 1359354272 535040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should own their computer < 1359354286 478003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of that I told them about -dcore-lint. < 1359354355 595868 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod +s /usr/bin/ghc < 1359354356 800942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'On January 30, 1989, Kenneth Lamar Noid, a mentally ill customer who thought the ads were a personal attack on him, held two employees of an Atlanta, Georgia, Domino's restaurant hostage for over five hours.' < 1359354367 508873 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359354377 32719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-dcore-lint is like a condom for your haskell bot < 1359354488 507807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy to go from unsafePerformIO to an arbitrary memory read/write yeah? < 1359354492 119685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1359354494 48303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce < 1359354674 421232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just crashed it again! < 1359354680 1063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time by defining a custom Typeable instance. < 1359354685 116050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should probably turn on SafeHaskell < 1359354687 990294 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this with -dcore-lint? < 1359354692 651423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359354695 545080 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1359354700 748352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is a know thing. < 1359354706 466872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read :: Word64 -> Word64; word addr = fromJust (unsafeCoerce (addr - 8) :: Maybe Int) < 1359354706 707877 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A know thing? < 1359354709 272910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something? < 1359354734 305935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can run arbitrary IO easily. < 1359354741 639328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that? < 1359354741 918785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess all the Foreign functions might not be in scope. < 1359354749 685222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359354767 797197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO a = State# RealWord -> (# State# RealWorld, a #) < 1359354770 485517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you run IO by unsafeCoercing to something operationally isomorphic to... yeah < 1359354779 47811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can cast to () -> () or something. < 1359354786 107975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's tricky though because State# t has a weird STG-type < 1359354790 810050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1359354795 460906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably works out < 1359354800 430040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to run IO both times so far, but I segfaulted it too. < 1359354809 701263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually illegal-instructioned it. < 1359354813 123680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1359354817 723702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it tried to evaluate the () and jumped to some invalid code. < 1359354834 137308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how would you do a memory write, assuming Foreign stuff isn't in scope? < 1359354841 507007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1359354860 700500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems tricky, actually. < 1359354877 37909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can probably jump to arbitrary code? < 1359354899 523970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't necessarily help you that much. < 1359354946 162781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does GHC's allocator set page permissions? you might be able to just create a ByteString and then jump into it < 1359354984 599142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pages should be nonexecutable by default? < 1359354991 785345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke has a "hello world" that works that way. < 1359354997 156363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's for 32-bit x86 < 1359355040 503361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359355064 976923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC only sets page permissions explicitly for foreign import wrapper, as far as I know. < 1359355121 637281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I didn't have to do anything with page permissions for http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2010/09/executing-bytestring.html < 1359355141 52106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1359355147 469596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it just allocates bytestrings with malloc. < 1359355187 609394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, it works. < 1359355254 121987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it has to do with the FFI? < 1359355274 245569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION straces < 1359355295 344836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get a PoC executing bytestring using only unsafeCoerce? < 1359355306 859142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Apparently any single-line pointful verb definition can be converted into pointfree < 1359355307 622403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in J < 1359355320 415168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there expressions that @pl cannot convert in Haskell> < 1359355326 96460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we have a poll to decide what the next Sgeolang is? < 1359355339 746177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1359355344 102822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be as easy as I said. < 1359355345 790348 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does J really count as a current Sgeolang? < 1359355390 72115 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote Sgeolang. < 1359355405 786093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess you would use a second ByteString to build a fake heap object, whose first word points to the code you want to execute < 1359355444 42725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get the address of that bytestring into a constructor field and force it < 1359355459 628503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh. < 1359355464 803969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the ByteString is allocated statically? < 1359355469 227479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe not. < 1359355662 447048 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359355761 35287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7ffff6e00000-7ffff6f00000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0 < 1359355766 340155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does allocate w+x memory < 1359355792 746797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1359355921 734168 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwxp < 1359355931 505108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the p is for profit < 1359355933 710271 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Um cool" < 1359355999 635457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they turned on SafeHaskell but also left GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving on. < 1359356004 286650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can still write unsafeCoerce. :-( < 1359356005 733046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359356007 698488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SafeHaskell is hard. < 1359356028 238400 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should just root their system and fix it properly. < 1359356254 401603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoisthey < 1359356269 466036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it allocating any w+x memory in strace < 1359356270 976025 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beaky. < 1359356293 967809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for real? haha < 1359356302 426933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1359356305 356125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this isn't beaky < 1359356307 808144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359356313 953036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is making things up. < 1359356314 866529 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's beaky in my shachaf fanfiction. < 1359356326 876456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't tell me about shachaf fanfiction. < 1359356336 820515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write whatever you want, just don't tell me about it. < 1359356338 27126 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's titled "Coercion Ain't Easy" < 1359356353 129498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1359356359 922173 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like BDSM, right? < 1359356694 586890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer SDSM. < 1359356739 521135 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that even legal nowadays? < 1359356764 665487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my SDSM blessed greased < 1359356776 964240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Jafet can empathize. < 1359356790 769884 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tch, I bet you use scrolls of genocide too. < 1359356970 548063 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's gaze penetrated through the slits of the balustrade, as the excited crowd of algebra neophytes struggled to grab the professor by any wrinkled limb or lineament they could find. Here, he knew, was a master of the group action. < 1359357169 746585 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1359357222 310688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1359357233 521920 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that went well. < 1359357568 329540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 7fff5a4ea000-7fff5a50b000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0 [stack] < 1359357581 75483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite see what's going on. :-( < 1359357621 732156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's the ELF file somehow? < 1359357675 678508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[stack] < 1359357679 852224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1359357687 551280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's remapping the stack. < 1359357708 680058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the file may set initial permissions for the stack < 1359357726 164554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just the stack, though. < 1359357747 743583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7eff280e9000-7eff28269000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 1448930 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so < 1359357755 555169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1359357759 189387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not w, sorry. < 1359357769 146794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7eff28f90000-7eff28f91000 rwxp 00020000 08:03 1452451 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so < 1359357776 110400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7eff28d68000-7eff28d70000 rwxp 00067000 08:03 658337 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.0.5 < 1359357884 71675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I figure this out from the ELF file? < 1359357888 63554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : GNU_STACK 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 < 1359357888 279742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 RWE 8 < 1359357965 267097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be documented somewhere, maybe the linker option to set the stack non/executable says how it does it < 1359358012 180793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the flags GHC linked with. < 1359358102 269274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1359358115 72072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently GHC has some code to mark the stack non-executable. < 1359360082 495810 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359360127 77570 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1359360136 995407 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1359360164 785943 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359360413 415674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) 0 = 1 o. o. 2 * i. 5 < 1359360413 658216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: 1 0 0 0 0 < 1359360414 177503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359360635 771235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* for signum actually obeys tolerance rules, hmm < 1359360645 850277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) * 1 o. o. 2 * i. 5 < 1359360646 90665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: 0 0 0 0 0 < 1359360952 358332 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359361477 709609 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 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:Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359366991 355988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'list < 1359367116 855871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo? < 1359367126 826987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/list < 1359367129 605181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1359367131 223745 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asjdflasjdfk < 1359367469 602342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1359367494 238212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR! < 1359367502 90277 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359367509 707557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq Taneb I forget Fiora someone someonelese < 1359367943 530443 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359368049 96194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should put that thing in fungot, that's clearly the most stable bot available. < 1359368049 844004 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i mean... what if it gets a 87% grade when i found a solution to the problem < 1359368144 606987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def list ul (Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot)S < 1359368144 841901 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1359368152 439299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1359368152 655844 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359368162 778623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1359368169 945501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1359368170 219592 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1359368509 539599 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359369835 420571 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359370547 385363 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359370556 376942 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1359370587 387111 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359371504 678581 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359371720 818515 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359372005 372013 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359372235 290104 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359372265 809783 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359373777 314746 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359374015 725951 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359374888 577736 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359374951 950465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359375157 663912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359375346 304997 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359375426 304919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1359375462 693447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo < 1359375462 924569 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo < 1359375467 511251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan < 1359375468 739126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1359375496 671607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon shachaf < 1359375518 469190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not hardly! < 1359375520 610751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1359375523 966427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Mon Jan 28 04:18:40 2013 < 1359375663 208892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha you people keep faking that timezone thing < 1359375734 568320 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359375870 346091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"^echo ^echo" is the best quine in the fungot-^echo-language. < 1359375870 603352 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can tell < 1359375888 443421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1359375888 918870 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then one could write ( loop-safety on) or ( x ( get-value) block) will expand to the same event at the same time < 1359375951 402582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DECLAIM '(OPTIMIZE (LOOP-SAFETY ON))) < 1359375955 282004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's also the _only_ quine, i think. < 1359375971 87838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot < 1359375971 560008 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are a bazillion definitions per item with no discernable purpose and reside in a different order < 1359375990 995041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ++ x == "^echo " ++ x doesn't have a lot of solutions < 1359375992 416277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fungot is ITS NOT A FAKE < 1359376019 160722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1359376028 509966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* x ++ " " ++ x == "^echo " ++ x doesn't have a lot of solutions < 1359376064 872077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do empty programs count? < 1359376072 984451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo < 1359376073 201012 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1359376075 588598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1359376079 631339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an empty program. < 1359376081 761340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ^echo < 1359376097 793794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he said "in the fungot-^echo-language" < 1359376098 267699 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ais523 suggested it x-p you win!!! eheheheeheh trying to find a way to see where one can look at the number of < 1359376126 887917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do all programs in that language start with ^echo? < 1359376131 890179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case I guess it's the only quine. < 1359376148 156476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all do start with "^echo ". < 1359376208 547266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo < 1359376208 764152 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1359376214 63144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a ^echo-program? < 1359376341 158069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show echo < 1359376341 415132 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[.>,]<[<]+32[.>] < 1359376370 338247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, for some reason I confused ^echo with one of the commands where the space is mandatory. < 1359376419 205916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the space is handled by fungot's pre-bf parsing < 1359376419 443309 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: remembered. i'll tell riastradh when he/ she < 1359376443 186645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on input, that is < 1359376467 171709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's only the fixed commands that sometimes check also that there is a space. < 1359376472 383893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love fungot < 1359376472 622031 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like calories. a < 1359376476 506440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ^command is equivalent to ^command < 1359376476 749981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is so easy < 1359376476 987252 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: actually i'll probably change and to and, although it would eventually segfault. < 1359376500 268096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only fungot can make a segfault by changing and to and < 1359376500 503917 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whichever is closer to most module systems, is it < 1359376619 411508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone loves fungot like calories. < 1359376619 648381 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have to, as the compiler is correct? maybe the implementations of " reverse" < 1359376642 695680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love fungot like calories. a < 1359376642 955090 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks. your new nick? hehe ( sometimes i make too long sentenced to avoid being eaten by a grue. < 1359376651 499450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot++ < 1359376651 735979 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( i think)." < 1359378013 449932 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359378445 573983 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359379370 334857 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359380019 623628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did elliott take my quote out of the topic? < 1359380024 607786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was a good run" < 1359380073 712760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1359380122 552374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean the lambda cube, in which case yes < 1359380135 858183 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six simultaneous rotations of the lambda tesseract < 1359380146 538682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to sleep. < 1359380440 720106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food for thought: NaNoWriMo requires 50000 words in order for something to qualify as a novel; W|A says average English word length is 5.1 characters; allowing for some whitespace and punctuation, 6.5*50000 = 325000 characters. Compare this with http://zem.fi/esostats/fig/activity_chars_20year.png -- since mid-2008, the channel seems to average around 1-2.5 novels a week. < 1359380500 864633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot is horrendous, though < 1359380537 390329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the characters are, frankly, stupid and unbelievable. < 1359380549 177197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for fungot and zzo38, they'll obviously go on to start spinoff series < 1359380549 665342 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wiliki sure looks a lot like the inverse of f(n) a(n,n)? would it run the other schemes will do something with < 1359380615 33643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, total characters over all time: 127,714,454 i.e. 393 novels, which again reminds me that I'd like to see the #esoteric bookshelf as a physical thing. < 1359380651 595171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359380682 797020 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359380731 441991 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359381367 312811 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359381394 938129 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1359382744 285075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is #esoteric bookshelf just printed logs of #esoteric < 1359382817 492862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, not just "printed", but bound to something for which the word "tome" is appropriate. < 1359382843 995920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also "copied by a cloisterful of monks" as opposed to "printed". < 1359382963 639890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess illumination is mandatory as well. < 1359383010 164395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well here I was considering giving Lulu a bunch of money to make that dream a reality < 1359383013 82501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WON'T BOTHER NOW < 1359383020 411092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrellg/6822994478/ I mean something like this maybe? < 1359383089 609161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate fizzie to be the monk. < 1359383133 619818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who would be the monq < 1359383139 708055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw why am i awake < 1359383142 822017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night! < 1359383149 13712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :May all your monoids be easy! < 1359383470 545940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359384313 376260 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the monq monqy? < 1359384387 820947 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359384420 968849 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359384842 215001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359386337 509818 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359386675 289813 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359387855 379154 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359388820 835293 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359388965 165489 :ais523_!93bcc208@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.194.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359389831 92039 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359391488 688292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2007, Niven, in conjunction with a group of science fiction writers known as SIGMA, led by Pournelle, began advising the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as to future trends affecting terror policy and other topics.[8] One of his suggestions as a member of SIGMA was that hospitals stem financial losses by spreading rumors in Spanish within the Latino community that emergency rooms are killing patients in order to < 1359391488 905161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : harvest their organs for transplants, in order to reduce illegal immigrants' use of emergency rooms.[9]" < 1359391493 561909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry niven..................................................... < 1359391512 775158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yikes < 1359391530 213834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another sci-fi author on the crazy list < 1359391615 685575 :desty!~desty@proxy2.dcu.ie JOIN :#esoteric < 1359391620 609589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to author Michael Moorcock, in 1967 Niven was among those Science Fiction Writers of America members who voiced opposition to the Vietnam War.[5] However, in 1968 Niven's name appeared in a pro-war ad in Galaxy Science Fiction magazine.[6] < 1359391624 563641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niven was an adviser to Ronald Reagan on the creation of the Strategic Defense Initiative anti missile policy, as covered in the BBC documentary Pandora's Box by Adam Curtis.[7] < 1359391631 281712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1359391696 995468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he got sick of the government asking him to join in with their idiotic initiatives and decided to take the piss < 1359391703 474649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hahahaha) < 1359392777 284583 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like him. < 1359393014 294712 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359393044 958794 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359394023 171916 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I just rage-parted a channel < 1359394025 242484 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a first < 1359394075 382922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :raaaaaaaage < 1359394082 675846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rage against the channel. < 1359394130 990927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTING IN THE NAME OF *riff* < 1359394167 137814 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359394244 189615 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were two people who differed on opinions regarding GNU very loudly < 1359394366 128233 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1359394660 505365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_brainfuck.html it's probably partially BFJoust days? < 1359394909 549420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then do a search for "bfjoust" and overlay it < 1359395100 147900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many possible THINGS. But I suppose I'll add a straight-forward keyword-frequency thing similar to those charfreq things. Though I don't know what else than "bfjoust" to include. < 1359395122 318574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough < 1359395146 810983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :case insensitive "bfjoust" should catch just about every day that it was discussed < 1359395173 851409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but, I mean, maybe there are other things in the world in addition to bfjoust too. < 1359395187 913347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can run some kind of a TF-IDF keyword extraction on my dataset, though. < 1359395458 596883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, augur and psygnisfive are the same. < 1359395475 128804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OIC. < 1359395489 633631 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi < 1359395516 68923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rerun the people-statistics bit, but my computar is so noisy when it's doing things. :/ < 1359395524 658482 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was talking about other me? < 1359395544 744103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other you ended up in my list of "important" people for some plots plots plots. < 1359395594 738291 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the list of important people the set of all people who posted more than x times in this channel? < 1359395612 597754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359395629 193395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where 'x' was somewhere between two and three thousand. < 1359395636 530344 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: where did fizzie mention my other username? :| < 1359395646 735572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the charts. < 1359395649 667888 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1359395666 664538 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1359395676 628363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/ "individual activity charts" < 1359395707 965038 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oookay... < 1359395742 144127 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1359395761 101720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will be merged after the next recomputamation. < 1359395843 175790 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been pretty inactive in here lately < 1359396278 621736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. I'm not important yet. < 1359396352 447624 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359396388 83046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: then chat more! < 1359396508 731077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You've been made important for the next run. (But you should indeed chat more; your linecount in my logs is just 505.) < 1359396542 600800 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1359396576 585104 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to chat more indeed. < 1359396596 151205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you france < 1359396596 864612 :ais523_!93bcc208@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.194.8 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1359396625 355792 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nope. still canadaing, even if I think its existence hasn't been yet formalized, let alone proved. < 1359396643 349270 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets all go to canada and chat boily < 1359396643 566176 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who's the nearest member from me in this channel. < 1359396656 35888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is west coast canadia < 1359396669 427551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what province? < 1359396674 339499 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :montréal, québec. < 1359396683 306722 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i'm gonna gues sgeo < 1359396689 521831 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :east coast US? < 1359396691 680254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is new york < 1359396698 68169 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indiana < 1359396698 533053 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely nearer. < 1359396711 525451 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BC is like 5000 km away from me. < 1359396741 773177 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, does anyone here have experience with OpenGL ES 2.0? < 1359396777 301229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i like esolangs, but that one is just too esoteric < 1359396834 810381 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1359396981 580661 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, I need a language where every combination of is a valid and executable program. Does anything come to mind? I was thinking of SUBLEQ (or any OISC for that matter), but I was hoping you guys would know something more abstract < 1359397086 144992 :desty!~desty@proxy2.dcu.ie PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that in many genetic programming implementations, where everything must be valid and defined (even if meaningless or NOP in most cases) since the code is generated by random process < 1359397120 845130 :desty!~desty@proxy2.dcu.ie PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for example, the PushGP language probably allows any input? < 1359397179 516585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your use of the fake letter "é" proves you must be french < 1359397449 643099 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359397592 425670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :surma: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jot is one example. (Every string in [01]* is a valid Jot program.) < 1359397643 414929 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sincé whén is é a faké léttér? < 1359397819 800651 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma PRIVMSG #esoteric :desty: Ha, the genetic programming application slipped my mind. Makes a lot of sense to look there. < 1359397822 295029 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks fizzie ! < 1359397992 666406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TF-IDF top-16 terms for 2005-03-05: "brainfuck he bf really org than languages possible name tutorial programming hehe ah how bfasm p" ... and for 2005-03-06: "esoapi pesoix easel h will dialect cpressey api up has they level bos o check switch"; well look at that, it actually does sort of hint as to what was the topic of discussion that day. (Disclaimer: IDF computed over a total of three ... < 1359397998 847829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... days; larger thing now in progress.) < 1359398079 621876 :desty!~desty@proxy2.dcu.ie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfuck he bf really org" <- sure it isn't from some S&M chatroom? :P < 1359398086 892077 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :serendipitous reddit link: http://www.primaryobjects.com/CMS/Article149.aspx < 1359398134 847246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advantages of Brainf-ck as an AI Programming Language < 1359398140 294023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is certainly something < 1359398180 411648 :Taneb|Away!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1359398183 955376 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.bitbucket.org/2013/01/28/signup-to-bitbucket-via-google-or-github/ You can now sign in to BitBucket with your GitHub account. < 1359398217 833156 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are people so obsessed with self-modifying code -> AI... < 1359398260 263169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw dagnabbit, I forgot to filter out initial nick-attributions, this whole output is now just mostly list of people who've been talked to -- http://sprunge.us/iTii -- will have to redo. < 1359398265 292056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they don't even give any examples of evolving programs to compute a function... just constant output. < 1359398270 536502 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from experience, genetic algos are slow, computation intensive, and they don't work. < 1359398281 28971 :desty!~desty@proxy2.dcu.ie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, very slow and inefficient < 1359398287 277676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Might want to ignore lines starting with ! and ` too. < 1359398293 422342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I guess !bfjoust would be Relevant(tm). < 1359398329 102963 :desty!~desty@proxy2.dcu.ie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a genetic programming engine to try to evolve strings of input to vim (for vimgolf)... it was awful :) < 1359398346 777644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the command names can stay. But people are boring, I'll get rid of them. < 1359398367 721214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ehird compile cube shit" "sexy ehird bitch" Um, okay. < 1359398401 845188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's just what the machine tells me. :p < 1359398425 605029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :surma: brainfuck and the uncountably many brainfuck derivatives have that property < 1359398447 239086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most bytes (or is it characters?) are no-ops < 1359398448 711086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ] is an invalid bf program < 1359398458 361145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :< too, under most interpretations < 1359398460 253082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fair enough < 1359398508 915811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you pad every Jot program out to be byte-sized? < 1359398518 894106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are there hypothetically functions which can only be expressed as Jot programs of a non-integral number of bytes? < 1359398667 350509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not qualified to tell, but I'd hazard a guess you can always at least pad to some multiple of 8. < 1359398912 412325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aBZV <- nick-attribution-filtered tfidf output. Apparently there's still quite a few nicks, possibly since people in fact mention other people also inside their comments. < 1359398925 164522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-12-26's topic: "rape switzerland" < 1359399328 733811 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the people one combine Taneb, Ngevd, and atriq? < 1359399345 240071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you feel to have been in this channel for over a decade < 1359399498 814469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It does. < 1359399515 348230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't think I really "get" it. < 1359399545 996697 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :get what? this channel? < 1359399550 648767 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359399599 862525 :desty!~desty@proxy2.dcu.ie PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1359399640 761908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ten years. < 1359399656 802753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Shipment of 18 human heads found at Chicago's O'Hare airport' < 1359399663 604293 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2003-01-19.txt < 1359399667 657309 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was more than 10 years ago < 1359399686 122794 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: destined for what? < 1359399706 186983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greatness < 1359399709 750833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: fizzie has been here since before 2003-01-19. < 1359399727 255920 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know < 1359399731 89139 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's how far back the logs go < 1359399751 472047 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dispute your claim and demand evidence otherwise < 1359399753 836637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually they go back to http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2003-01-18. But it's interesting that fizzie's private logs that are in the rsync thing aren't in the web interface. < 1359399772 696144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From 2002.) < 1359399813 467048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.borderagencyscotland.com/ < 1359400001 233782 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359400005 832747 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings < 1359400014 136813 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1359400172 546755 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang the movie staring Elijah Wood as Elliott Hird and Viggo Mortensen as rjan Johansen. < 1359400223 137267 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 < 1359400234 830513 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, who would play you? < 1359400236 252032 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or me? < 1359400240 851583 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Andy Serkis obv < 1359400256 386158 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to restrict it to LOTR actors < 1359400263 182928 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all right < 1359400268 93127 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can be played by Anne Hathaway < 1359400271 407490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd be played by Zachary Quinto < 1359400320 93999 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie and oerjan are the olde hats. < 1359400344 952433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sorry but we have to get Dijkstra to play oerjan. < 1359400347 596507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was agreed. < 1359400366 26034 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...isn't he kind of dead? < 1359400380 766048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T CARE < 1359400383 214515 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is he kind of dead, he's entirely dead. < 1359400383 926109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use necromancy if you have to! < 1359400399 682959 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like necromancy. all those shiny zombies :D < 1359400449 281744 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for necromancy, you could just prop up his rotten corpse like a puppet < 1359400465 315665 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cost effective < 1359400475 882351 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is privacy day < 1359400481 97999 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSA is watching you < 1359400508 558201 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, should I... < 1359400517 176923 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I do a song and dance routine or something? < 1359400521 974831 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a talent contest? < 1359400531 756178 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you're prepared to have it uploaded to youtube < 1359401160 865524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any number argument to genericTake, where an input of an infinite list will produce an infinite list < 1359401283 257339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359401315 30237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fix Succ) < 1359401318 508926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you define inductive natural numbers then you can define ω which is an infinite number < 1359401343 846197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conatural < 1359401346 333467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as elliott said, ω = Succ ω < 1359401348 701407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ;P < 1359401411 159581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also just define a "numeric" type which is always infinite < 1359401426 173715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then your fromInteger has to lie < 1359401431 342500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine < 1359401459 639792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :P < 1359401467 31987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck tha police < 1359401471 427685 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need a fromInteger in a Numeric type? < 1359401475 464282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Num < 1359401475 680952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Eq a, Show a) => Num a where < 1359401475 681148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (+), (-), (*) :: a -> a -> a < 1359401475 681270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : negate, abs, signum :: a -> a < 1359401475 681375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromInteger :: Integer -> a < 1359401480 676453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: behold the worst class in the universe < 1359401487 463754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it gets better though < 1359401489 639135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Real < 1359401489 856073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Num a, Ord a) => Real a where < 1359401489 856237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : toRational :: a -> Rational < 1359401494 951630 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not better < 1359401498 586417 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not better at all D: < 1359401498 803240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponder that for a moment < 1359401519 922041 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ is there any good way to make numbers in programming remotely like they are in math < 1359401523 294046 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1359401536 615207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract algebra is kinda unwieldy to do via typeclasses < 1359401548 476379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's class Group huh < 1359401551 672470 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's class Monoid < 1359401555 368744 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE'S BEAKY < 1359401555 851157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Monoid < 1359401556 68463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monoid a where < 1359401556 68639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mempty :: a < 1359401556 68744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mappend :: a -> a -> a < 1359401556 68850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mconcat :: [a] -> a < 1359401559 895118 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there it is < 1359401560 650918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy, even typeclasses can do them < 1359401576 585144 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still think it's weird that the operation is called "append" < 1359401584 363968 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is mconcat really just there for efficiency < 1359401599 738283 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1359401601 822324 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Monad < 1359401602 40127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monad m where < 1359401602 40289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (>>=) :: forall a b. m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1359401602 40448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (>>) :: forall a b. m a -> m b -> m b < 1359401602 40555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : return :: a -> m a < 1359401602 40658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : fail :: String -> m a < 1359401608 2010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mconcat has a default definition, yeah < 1359401622 445118 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, type classes don't have inheritance or nuthin, do they < 1359401641 333192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have superclasses < 1359401643 981111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Monoid < 1359401644 198295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monoid a where < 1359401644 415472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mempty :: a < 1359401644 415654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mappend :: a -> a -> a < 1359401644 415760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mconcat :: [a] -> a < 1359401654 924409 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads aren't monoids! < 1359401658 96092 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the endofunctors < 1359401660 462104 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my life a lie? < 1359401668 467797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all obfuscated < 1359401669 96515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the default definition for mconcat is something like foldr mappend mempty < 1359401676 113468 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i would assume < 1359401714 113669 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Group < 1359401714 331329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. It can only be attributed to human error. < 1359401718 317938 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359401726 622865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: class Category cat => Monoid cat unit product mon where mempty :: unit `cat` mon; mappend :: product mon mon `cat` mon < 1359401733 576368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, with infix syntax that is sadly no longer allowed: < 1359401749 421377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Category (~>) => Monoid (~>) unit (**) mon where mempty :: unit ~> mon; mappend :: (mon ** mon) ~> mon < 1359401755 30724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY GOT RID OF THAT SYNTAX?!? < 1359401757 257915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you let (~>) = (->), unit = (), (**) = (,), you get < 1359401758 886497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1359401763 634221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mempty :: () -> mon; mappend :: (mon, mon) -> mon < 1359401765 97310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is Monoid < 1359401767 304564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyyyyyyyyy < 1359401774 887196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you let f ~> g = (forall a. f a -> g a) (<-- natural transformation) < 1359401776 401482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unit = Identity < 1359401784 240284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(**) = functor composition i.e. (f ** g) a = f (g a) < 1359401786 243544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get < 1359401791 684432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mempty :: Identity a -> mon a < 1359401796 598036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mappend :: mon (mon a) -> mon a < 1359401805 770943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a Monad (return and join respectively), if mon is a Functor! < 1359401815 756084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you actually need to wrap those latter definitions up into data types and stuff to get it work < 1359401823 150478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with the PolyKinds extension you can actually define a generic Monoid in this way < 1359401830 408589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that syntax is now used for actual infix types, rather than type variables < 1359401836 640561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1359401837 115721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i.e. you can define data a * b = Product a b or whatever < 1359401840 291703 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the full name for football is associative football < 1359401846 584783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean football can be a monoid? < 1359401849 975702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close yet so far < 1359401861 193110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a semigroup < 1359401863 87219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not being able to use infix type variables is annoying, but having to prefix infix types with : is arguably worse < 1359401914 12629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, it's actually association football < 1359401992 844114 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo football is a magma at best < 1359402081 703992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm picturing a football variant with obstacles in the form of holes filled with molten rock < 1359402219 170858 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd watch it < 1359402243 30729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_brainfuck.html Aw, the word "bfjoust" doesn't correlate all that well with brainfuck characters. (Though that peak in 2009 followed by a longish bump for the rest of the year probably qualifies.) ((Also there are some other terms plotted in the index.)) < 1359402793 799139 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/3/c-api/init.html#threads kmc, is this part of why you were complaining about pythong threads? < 1359402886 652298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the Global Interpreter Lock is one of the problems < 1359402988 670386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GIL just prevents good parallelism but not concurrency? < 1359403012 135131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone say anything to the contrary? < 1359403027 309587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said I don't think there are provisions for good concurrent I/O either < 1359403032 643221 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359403042 705425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not supporting parallelism, CPython threads are OS threads and will block in individual system calls < 1359403051 52639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than having something like the GHC IO manager < 1359403056 771644 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359403064 237046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION personally cares about concurrency more than parallelism < 1359403079 933114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess being OS threads means annoying heavyweight threads < 1359403119 917133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heaviness of OS threads is also sometimes overstated < 1359403129 597741 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1359403141 756530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux can definitely support a whole lot of threads < 1359403147 764639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on things like how much stack you allocate for each < 1359403171 314595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also some of it is carryover from 32-bit days < 1359403192 780022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because even if the actual stack memory is allocated on demand, you need to reserve address space for each stack < 1359403209 183276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be a problem when you only have 3GB of address space < 1359403216 335588 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359403236 139828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using a 32-bit Linux OS although the machine is 64-bit < 1359403241 484812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit but only has 2GB memory < 1359403247 665489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 32-bit OS? < 1359403320 21025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure, installed it 2010 I think. I guess I figured since I don't have enough memory to really make 64-bit relevant and since I had the impression that 64-bit OS would be incompatible with stuff < 1359403363 566047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well you don't need lots of physical memory to make a 64-bit address space useful < 1359403386 662858 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you can make most 32bit programs run on 64bit operating systems < 1359403396 679689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the AMD64 architecture has lots of improvements over i386 that are unrelated to the word size change < 1359403423 758541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the compatibility story is pretty good these days < 1359403431 506831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always install a 32-bit userland in a chroot, but it's rarely necessary < 1359403470 666158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also if you only have 2 gigs of ram running a 64 bit OS will reduce your effective RAM < 1359403476 394705 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359403493 502547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because pointers are twice as big? < 1359403494 687706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1359403516 400869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359403517 351706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run a 64-bit kernel and a mostly-32-bit userland, but i think that's not generally that worthwhile on x86 < 1359403519 583059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and words in general < 1359403534 922218 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add more RAM! < 1359403535 398133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe once x32 is mainstream you would run a 64-bit kernel and a mostly-x32 userland < 1359403545 578494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well int is still 32 bits < 1359403556 822613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1359403603 595675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I need to get my brain fully functional in less than an hour I didn't get enough sleep since I was reading about J and EVE all night < 1359403608 195515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think having twice as many registers and convenient position-independent code beats the word size increase for many tasks < 1359403614 533083 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugs? drugs < 1359403716 526994 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359403874 556282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional position-independent drugs? < 1359403986 517966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 bit architectures may have killed the idea of memory mapped files :( < 1359404002 785342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how many apps have some ad hoc caching layer where they read stuff from disk and keep it in memory for a while? < 1359404008 338113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be great to make the OS do that for you? < 1359404019 90657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: something about @ < 1359404050 523369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the Kids These Days starting as programmers really appreciate what virtual memory can do < 1359404232 275959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the mincore() syscall is good for < 1359404252 982173 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Nice brainfuck interpreter you got there. < 1359404269 802243 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice. < 1359404350 878236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1359404352 325491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx. < 1359404366 121884 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It made we write a Collatz program :D < 1359404372 95123 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me < 1359404410 526030 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of like the language because it allows you to write small programs that do quite a lot < 1359404441 530256 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that way, it reminds me a little bit of zetaplex (and its variants) < 1359404800 10616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359404896 599170 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359405044 726624 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the brainfuck interpreter? < 1359405065 47942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: nope. still canadaing, even if I think its existence hasn't been yet formalized, let alone proved. <-- someone formalize it, please < 1359405067 646969 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".""X"r~"-""\/^^{vvvv}c!!!-.256.%{vvvv}c!sa\/"r~"+""\/^^{vvvv}c!!!+.256.%{vvvv}c! sa\/"r~"[""{"r~"]""}{\/^^{vvvv}c!!!}w!"r~">""+."r~"<""-."r~"X""\/^^{vvvv}c!!!L[+] \/+]\/+]^^3\/.+1RAp^\/+]\/0RA1RA^^-]\/0RA\/"r~"\'\'1 128r@{vv0}m[0"\/.+pse!vvvv<-sh < 1359405070 609987 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1359405106 42164 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language is that? < 1359405112 887724 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Burlesque < 1359405132 486741 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains:) < 1359405174 266493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and burlesque it is < 1359405179 731932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like J. < 1359405188 177651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Does not actually look like J) < 1359405242 445978 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enought punctuation marks to look like J. < 1359405293 511518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is J considered a productive language and Burlesque isn't? < 1359405300 146155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would constitute a rigorous proof of the existence of canada? < 1359405306 449942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1359405322 701782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR! < 1359405330 394158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IS BROKEN < 1359405336 217465 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your face is broken. < 1359405357 560809 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to submit a solid sample of a chunk of canada to a comittee. < 1359405376 821241 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that look like < 1359405377 293823 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, there's always the possibility that I'd fake that sample. < 1359405379 192415 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a broken face < 1359405421 183452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, one of you will have to sacrifice him/her/itself to go to canada, and witness its existence. < 1359405439 844694 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to express cancada in Zermelo Fraenkel Set theory < 1359405469 283873 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. I feared that I'd have to do that. can't I just handwave it? < 1359405500 441495 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you need the axion of choice... < 1359405504 948590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359405548 791826 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZFC would do it; Zermelo Fraenkel with the axion of Canada < 1359405563 650021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there is a consistent formal theory in which canada does not exist! < 1359405584 986872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the axiom of canada is necessary for a consistent theory that includes canada < 1359405605 966060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359405620 877760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's assume it doesn't exist and see what that implies < 1359405627 225026 :Taneb|Away!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1359405693 616185 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the non-existence of canada implies provinces and territories don't exist too? < 1359405732 451191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily. but they will probably be member states of the U.S. < 1359405764 516388 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Yukon: Lone star state of the far northwest. < 1359405766 413007 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359405773 39134 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the united states would be member states of canada, but canada would have some other name < 1359405781 204592 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as japan < 1359405783 575947 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as "The United States of America" < 1359405788 615296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you people talking about < 1359405797 502879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada? < 1359405817 574396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... nonexistence of canada? < 1359405827 480966 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the axiomatic independence of canada. < 1359405835 362370 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a long-standing open problem. < 1359405942 36907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Can you pad every Jot program out to be byte-sized? <-- yes, any prefix representing I can be removed, and the article's conversion turns SKS into the 23-bit 11111110001110011111000 (i tried SKK first but that was even length) < 1359405984 49895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would one want jot to be byte sized? compression? < 1359406012 666982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably. < 1359406040 358307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, surely someone must have already made a Brainfuck backend for LLVM? < 1359406042 606765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so that means you'd have to add 7 bytes to it that do nothing just to make the encoding work sometimes. so wasteful! < 1359406105 325774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to just have 1 extra byte that says X if only first X bits of the last byte are part of the jot program < 1359406131 624109 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes < 1359406149 353507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, got the quote wrong < 1359406163 993773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/7 bytes/20 bytes/ < 1359406164 767556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually, I'm not entirely sure what the exact quote is < 1359406342 917696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I shouldn't have looked up the quote < 1359406350 988918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoilers for GitS really < 1359406369 223183 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359406379 576911 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359406390 448452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so nervous < 1359406392 580460 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kinda has become a 'it was its sled', seeing that every other cosplayer has had the spinning face once on their head. < 1359406394 536667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't eat yet :( < 1359406416 196136 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how can you remove a prefix representing I without changing the meaning? < 1359406421 354064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, well, the logo itself isn't spoilery, but seeing a name associated with it presumably is < 1359406432 271163 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1359406448 300342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...even saying "a name" is spoilery, sorry everyone < 1359406460 694809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I think it's spoilery) < 1359406468 895584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 MINUTES < 1359406473 393473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to go briefly insane < 1359406490 639908 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's in a name? a deaf-mute by any other name would spoiler as much :p < 1359406527 557272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 minutes < 1359406528 30183 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can remove 1 followed by a rep of I < 1359406529 453144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nervous < 1359406531 956924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish me luck < 1359406540 305633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't know if it's really an "interview" < 1359406603 929071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry. the worst that can happen is... oh, you mentioned interview. anything is permitted. < 1359406617 120641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: no, you can remove the rep of I itself because the semantics of FG depends on the string G but only on the semantics of F, so if F has the same semantics as the empty string (i.e. I) then [FG] = [G] < 1359406626 869656 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359406661 267057 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359406679 830865 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359406701 402754 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359406787 731763 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jot page says that [AB] = 1[A][B] < 1359406807 853814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so what you said is also true < 1359406826 705233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1359406903 581504 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so code [A] is equivalent to code 1[I][A] < 1359406976 821154 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [I] could be [SKK]=1[SK][K] = 11[S][K][K] < 1359406997 612967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: that's not the _definition_ of Jot though < 1359407043 600156 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359407044 559439 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the implied coding rules from CL to jot < 1359407064 967154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh http://idiom.ucsd.edu/~barker/Iota/ is a 404 _and_ has been a 404 for as long as wayback has archived it D: < 1359407200 54264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1359407208 778914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page was redirected < 1359407237 717898 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i see you're right too < 1359407337 853641 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems inconsistent < 1359407466 502371 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes one wonder what is the shortest non empty jot program for identity < 1359407809 576610 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's 010 < 1359407999 756114 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it's simply 1 < 1359408096 323548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 1 is S(KI) < 1359408149 272831 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 1 ^xy. I (xy) ? < 1359408157 523120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the representations on the article page are restricted to starting with 1, btw, because he wanted to have things give direct binary numbers by concatenation < 1359408192 666530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an interviewer keeps saying "interesting" is that a good thing? < 1359408214 72944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends, that is sometimes just a meaningless filler word < 1359408218 934768 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not good. but it is interesting < 1359408267 829366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help interviewer wants to see code for one of the projects I mentioned on resume. The code is horribly ugly < 1359408285 984495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have time to clean it up? < 1359408287 662183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: hm i guess S(KI) = I except that it requires two arguments < 1359408297 872709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I didn't think to ask for time to clean it up < 1359408299 534072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what stage is this? phone interview? < 1359408307 582921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, phone conversation < 1359408312 322603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it counts as an interview < 1359408347 277768 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ircing while phone conversing < 1359408381 109790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm off phone < 1359408399 982402 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have IRCed while video chat sexing once < 1359408407 633945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1359408426 925452 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you ircing here? did you spread cooties in the channel? < 1359408452 230582 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so 1 = I only with eta equivalence, but 010 = I regardless, right? < 1359408495 579511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another channel < 1359408522 864683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how that [AB] = 1[A][B] rule can possibly be true < 1359408528 87688 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, you're still alive! that's interesting! < 1359408541 305863 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering that myself... < 1359408549 914452 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just took it for granted < 1359408574 315755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I used bad language in the source code < 1359408783 682735 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in the comments? < 1359408784 879875 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :public static void longLiveVisualBasicSix() ? < 1359408836 846562 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsck(that,sh*t); ? < 1359408844 706670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp, as a variable name for a variable only used in debugging < 1359408869 409103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1359408914 648773 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be in the later stages of debugging, after frustration mounted < 1359409079 585343 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is tromp a curse < 1359409200 692235 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: google translate isn't much of a help on that matter, sadly. < 1359409208 891042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow another rails vulnerability: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rubyonrails-security/1h2DR63ViGo < 1359409211 55814 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359409223 800753 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought sgeo said ««tromp», as a variable name» < 1359409226 810264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The JSON Parsing code in Rails 2.3 and 3.0 support multiple parsing backends. One of the backends involves transforming the JSON into YAML" < 1359409245 883994 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a pretty weird way to parse, uh, anything < 1359409314 821051 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice < 1359409396 220364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent the email < 1359409402 658552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359409529 923044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also mentioned some Haskell code I've written, but not sure if it's appropriate to send it along < 1359409533 349663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's about speed dating) < 1359409540 272901 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1359409792 771295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: your job interview was about speed dating? < 1359409822 485885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actually not horrifically ugly code I've written last year was about speed dating < 1359409836 144242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: ah mystery solved. the CL -> Jot conversion satisfies a rather stronger property which makes it work, namely [F[A]] = [F][A] < 1359409898 340855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not enough to plug in an arbitrary Jot program in the 1[A][B] rule, it has to also satisfy that < 1359409946 387757 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i realized that [AB] = 1[A][B] failes for even simple cases like A=B=0 < 1359409991 651955 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't help that [] is used in two ways:( < 1359410010 78148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. maybe i should disambiguate them < 1359410101 775395 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use {} for encoding function < 1359410114 368911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already did < 1359410182 799989 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in [F[A]] = [F][A] < 1359410192 821941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1359410280 592907 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer self-delimiting languages :) < 1359410290 296805 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like iota < 1359410310 539621 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BLC :) < 1359410353 156006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :article changed < 1359410358 493921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Unlambda :) < 1359410482 220770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be cool? A readable J < 1359410489 157830 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone write a brainfuck interpreter in Unlambda? < 1359410541 132486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't, although i've pondered it a bit. < 1359410558 663139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :j is perfectly readable < 1359410568 405254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the usual "needs a complete character table to convert I/O" annoyance < 1359410599 222201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which showed up in my unlambda in unlambda < 1359410627 338179 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: readable, yes. its understandability still remains a completely different matter. < 1359410664 155795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/interpreter.unl < 1359410700 715509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just made his first commit in years to PSOX < 1359410721 779479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trac.assembla.com/psox/changeset/98 < 1359410766 652514 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359410768 90875 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make J more readable, just expand the single letter names according to http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/vocabul.htm < 1359410805 241030 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has 3 operators devoted to taylor series alone:( < 1359410856 176575 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a :(? < 1359410879 899924 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it has 1 and 2-char operators < 1359410881 892526 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dang they have hypergeometric functions in the base, huh < 1359410882 403891 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: 3 operators for taylor series? that's completely insane! and lovable! < 1359410909 334772 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1359410911 238789 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u T. n is the n-term Taylor approximation to the function u . " i love it < 1359410957 398868 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, automatic differentiation too < 1359410991 395483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it has automatic differentiation? < 1359410997 885372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it only had numeric and symbolic < 1359411005 646952 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing missing is the Kitchen Sink operator < 1359411013 624469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp, that's !: < 1359411027 803783 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking at http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/ddcapdot.htm < 1359411037 334322 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for polynomials and their inverses by default < 1359411038 765292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, ok, that's Foreign, not Kitchen Sink) < 1359411047 176398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's for all the other stuff like file access < 1359411049 797294 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a domestic kitchen sink < 1359411069 889956 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, polynomials plus exp, i guess < 1359411101 867161 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evoke Gerund sounds like a powerful spell < 1359411109 381763 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus it has exponential generating functions < 1359411195 682267 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big question is: why do many alphabet letter go unused? < 1359411207 946530 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo needs more coptic < 1359411394 396948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: hm {SK} = 10 satisfies the conversion property < 1359411721 454270 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359411907 855094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah of course, you can read things like a stack language from the right. 0 pushes S and K, 1 pops two elements combining them into one. when you have one element on the stack, the program you used to get there is a conversion to that element. < 1359411958 3106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -- S K, 10 -- (SK) < 1359411992 576532 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359412012 210090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00 -- S K S K, 11100 -- SKSK = K < 1359412046 78267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :000 -- S K S K S K, 11111000 -- SKSKSK = KSK = S < 1359412091 310034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked at that way, it's not that mysterious how to find representations. < 1359412239 54767 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1359412239 523927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: oh and it means that {11010} = SK(SK) = I < 1359412324 249025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a conversion which can be used in the conversion rule < 1359412446 851953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably a context-free language of some sort, similar to parenthesis matching. actually translating 1 = ( and 0 = )) and then adding one more ( to the left turns it into an actual parenthesis matching problem < 1359412714 277290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it must be CF since this can be trivially seen to be recognizable with a pushdown automaton < 1359413138 583674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t genericTake < 1359413139 772811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral i => i -> [a] -> [a] < 1359413212 143878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Integral < 1359413212 360990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Real a, Enum a) => Integral a where < 1359413212 361214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : quot, rem, div, mod :: a -> a -> a < 1359413212 361322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : quotRem, divMod :: a -> a -> (a,a) < 1359413212 361427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : toInteger :: a -> Integer < 1359413232 839400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Integral is not meant to have members not subsets of Integer < 1359413274 967630 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359413334 792384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : monads aren't monoids! <-- alas, kind mismatch < 1359413346 757885 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak < 1359413400 368633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _could_ make all monad value types monoids, but then you wouldn't be able to have any other monoids of form t a without overlappinginstances < 1359413434 735367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course it would conflict with the instance for [a] < 1359413545 134983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really would like this Transcriptic job (if it's telecommute) < 1359413608 283969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to watch some TV to take my mind off of having sent an employer the worst code I have ever written < 1359413635 346907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by TV I mean Ghost in the Shell on Hulu < 1359413636 294377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1359413668 186102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: STILL BROKKEM < 1359413738 135132 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is the conversion property expressed with {} ? < 1359413766 763302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[F{A}] = [F](A) < 1359413813 843920 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so F is a string, and A a combinator? < 1359413817 465994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359414064 550605 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359414199 365769 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359414208 313593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitS is getting on my nerves < 1359414217 311136 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1359414230 687462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We suspect XYZ" "Do you have any evidence for that?" ... the topic of any reasoning for suspecting XYZ is dropped < 1359414235 19520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no one complains < 1359414263 712712 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't waste time for things with no evidence! < 1359414308 606198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't drop XYZ, just the topic of why XYZ is suspected < 1359414349 320493 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We suspect Canada" "Do you have any evidence for that?" "Not yet." < 1359414353 381524 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, now all makes sense:) < 1359414564 871663 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359414611 307758 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359414863 614667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like TV news < 1359414890 626667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are teenagers inhaling bees for a cheap high?" "Well, are they?" "Beats us, but we got you to sit through the last commercial break" < 1359415026 918544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359415214 313897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ, what is with all these screams outside < 1359415651 610273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the beginning of the great edinburgh zombie cataclysm. < 1359415681 610053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty loud zombies if I can hear them from here. < 1359415710 166955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the zombies, that's their victims hth < 1359415736 663572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait are you implying you're not in edinburgh any longer < 1359415826 731711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in England now. < 1359415853 991414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1359415895 617404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even in Hexham. < 1359415901 318598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp. < 1359416055 928682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess it's not zombies then. maybe hooligans? < 1359417631 705164 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1359417818 710462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:50:00 you _could_ make all monad value types monoids, but then you wouldn't be able to have any other monoids of form t a without overlappinginstances < 1359417831 804879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um but the idea is to express the monoids-in-the-category-of-endofunctors thing < 1359417837 356650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can do, with PolyKinds < 1359417854 621617 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359417864 804161 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1359417866 238464 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo What is love? < 1359417869 570524 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is love? < 1359417873 237276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1359417966 786752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OKAY < 1359417972 541192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo yay! < 1359417973 596011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1359418021 167634 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I'm still broken! < 1359418021 920740 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still broken! < 1359418061 961579 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Your MOM is still broken. < 1359418063 183182 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MOM is still broken. < 1359419094 791444 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: define love < 1359419096 147544 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: what is smerdyakov? :) taken me all night if i actually ever remember to watch introducing python to make something like srfi-49 afaik < 1359419120 305048 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: define cookie < 1359419121 16000 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: they gotta teach her how to conjugate verbs < 1359419152 610009 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they do < 1359419158 460232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'US senate special election to replace John Kerry will be June 35' < 1359419228 425187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's he being replaced < 1359419237 595974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :becoming secretary of state < 1359419242 370873 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offense to the gregorian calendar < 1359419252 729652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought he died < 1359419261 426567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the photo caption says "June 325" which is April 21, 2014 < 1359419270 427408 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what's happening to Clinton? < 1359419277 191279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stepping down < 1359419279 395479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he died < 1359419281 142962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's dying rip < 1359419285 716279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's dying < 1359419288 580812 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geez, I missed it < 1359419290 52860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1359419294 550842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for all of those people you don't know < 1359419294 788640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't be so insensitive < 1359419296 684174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my understanding that everyone is dying and hence will eventually die < 1359419309 97032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no nobody's dying right now < 1359419309 314413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rip already has a nice color, please don’t dye it. < 1359419309 314655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nobody's dying except the people on the other end of those drone strikes" <--- POLITICAL HUMOR < 1359419316 483696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all stopped dying for a bit < 1359419321 658071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *HUMOUR < 1359419327 344494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NATIONALITY-BASED HUMOUR < 1359419330 497805 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *HUMOURE < 1359419335 986134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HUMER < 1359419337 931423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HÜMØR < 1359419343 474976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good metal band name < 1359419344 463041 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUUMORI < 1359419406 748671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUMMER < 1359419421 43894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :humøret i dag < 1359419435 78297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clinton is taking time off to prepare to run for president, and/or to be old and really tired from being the hardest working SecState in forever < 1359419438 246636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is quite sure which < 1359419469 11969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she does look damn old < 1359419469 957359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1359419477 672114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't us presidents alternate in party < 1359419480 39452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she would be the oldest first term president except for reagan < 1359419491 792479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: often but it's not in the constitution or anything ;P < 1359419537 610425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bush followed reagan, so no. < 1359419545 551919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think she would be too old in 2021 so this is her shot < 1359419576 830370 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359419597 73406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://jezebel.com/5959154/is-america-ready-for-a-white-male-secretary-of-state < 1359419657 640508 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359419690 324972 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359419704 20583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States is conveniently color-coded if you want to see about alternation or not < 1359419741 75934 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought washington was considered a whig, huh < 1359419756 914602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the non-alternation comes from VPs taking over after the previous guy dies or resigns < 1359419775 212706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they subsequently win a term on their own, sometimes not < 1359419776 244037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the whigs < 1359419779 704126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want to know is how do you be the potus without going insane < 1359419782 611319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you just go insane < 1359419797 981665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they eventually just die out because their name was so dumb < 1359419801 351917 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the election is for, they go insane while finding votes. < 1359419811 207088 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To streamline things, I mean. < 1359419813 411820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1359419820 4993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a very efficient system < 1359419838 948001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clinton running for president would be like... I'm not sure how she is even still alive < 1359419842 40495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie president < 1359419845 668102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stem cells < 1359419851 445144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that episode of south park < 1359419854 691167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how has she not worked herself to death < 1359419857 105392 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is she, hm... < 1359419879 689226 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, at least she wasn't alive during WWII < 1359419883 777909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359419884 953827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I guess that might be ingrained sexism because I don't really think the same about obama or whatever who obviously does unreasonable fuckloads of stuff too < 1359419890 644683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha < 1359419899 993099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's the little things" < 1359419903 307601 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obama was a senator < 1359419910 170004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was clinton < 1359419920 169800 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but she's done lots of other stuff < 1359419925 736630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359419930 16685 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i meant < 1359419937 994545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/obama/anyone who works a lot/ really < 1359419944 338253 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359419951 355689 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example that whole "secretary" gig < 1359419958 557318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't clinton kind of bad when she ran for president last time < 1359419964 619283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :memories are hard < 1359419968 880965 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean in 2008? < 1359419987 171860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :her advisors did not seem to have a full grasp of the primary / caucus system < 1359419999 640553 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone? (I sure don't) < 1359420022 572071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my friends were pretty pissed at her because we all wanted Obama to get the nomination, but then we pretty much didn't care once that was over < 1359420035 403968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hopefully paid political advisors at the highest level of national politics do < 1359420042 36699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1359420050 746384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, they had a much worse understanding than obama's people < 1359420066 980599 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i can barely grasp the electoral college... < 1359420079 675982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made some decent money day-trading primary election contracts on InTrade < 1359420120 550290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right it is like the other candidate for the same party with the same general policies is satan because they are opposing your preferred candidate :P < 1359420133 245697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359420140 513190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then your candidate gets picked and they're a valuable ally in the fight against satan (the other party) < 1359420144 498041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :their policies were pretty amusingly close really < 1359420160 105322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main difference I guess is that Obama was opposed to the Iraq War early on < 1359420177 231948 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something something Nader something < 1359420183 956817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :important because 2008 was all about who could be the least like George W. Bush < 1359420193 438681 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something ron pauuuuul something < 1359420202 536029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna be the very best, like no-one ever was < 1359420206 492103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PAUL gotta catch em all < 1359420213 402415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ron Paul: apply directly to the forehead < 1359420222 983483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm done < 1359420228 510085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :L < 1359420228 984636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1359420229 459150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1359420229 931174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1359420230 404984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1359420232 807334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1359420235 385245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mic drop* < 1359420243 815759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would we do without you kmc < 1359420245 474699 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry < 1359420502 492605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to eat dinner now rather than later because I did not eat breakfast < 1359420507 320846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have food issues < 1359420553 551960 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait didn't you already do college, shouldn't you be used to a shitty dietary schedule < 1359420801 121333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :College helped me. There's a sandwich place where I would go buy a sandwich < 1359420813 172465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I had school < 1359420841 246625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's an IIS workalike for mod_rewrite, I wonder if it's similar enough that my rewrite stuff works < 1359421175 583282 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359421215 275601 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359421611 379795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/Barry_Obama_lg.jpg NB: "choom" is hawaiian slang for "smoking the marijuana dope" < 1359421702 244272 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not bad" < 1359422113 70594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should all be saving screenshots of embarassing stuff from your friends' facebook pages, in case one of them ever becomes president < 1359422130 805960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or don't do that at all and never log into facebook because it's terrible < 1359422131 892977 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see the embarrassing in that image. < 1359422285 942029 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359422286 198716 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359422286 198895 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359422401 815045 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no presidents that have been normal people once D: < 1359422405 58299 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh hello?? drugs?? < 1359422628 561339 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: I’m sure plenty of presidents have used alcohol, too. < 1359422661 691447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alcohol is a good american drug < 1359422668 166076 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, you're not american, are you. < 1359422692 584660 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have all these exciting insane mores that you guys just don't GET, man < 1359422793 617081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo we should circlejerk about this some more < 1359422807 918530 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer an actual circlejerk. < 1359422860 928576 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaan < 1359422908 682537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to do that over IRC < 1359422914 685094 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your friends have any remote chance of becoming president of the united states, you should find better friends < 1359422940 854633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, by the time obama leaves office, support for legalization could be close to 2/3 < 1359422972 593753 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, really? < 1359422998 591959 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marijuana legalization has been making rather profound progress in the court of public opinion. < 1359423037 699576 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359423144 985678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/10/19/us/politics/fivethirtyeight-1019-firstpot/fivethirtyeight-1019-firstpot-blog480.png < 1359423188 557079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 might be a stretch but maybe 60%+ < 1359423236 560269 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359423285 198622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think [UNINFORMED SPECULATION BY PROGRAMMER ABOUT SOCIAL SCIENCE AHEAD!] there may be a cascade effect with these kind of social norms < 1359423329 251897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're more likely to support legalization if you have a few friends who openly support it and aren't degenerate dope-addled hippies < 1359423346 481782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need more degenerate dope-addled hippie friends < 1359423350 528193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wanna be one < 1359423358 320719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a phony :( < 1359423366 833291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes i will be your friend elliott < 1359423383 702374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1359423386 395164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had a friend before!! < 1359423429 534028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i love the dip on that graph as the baby boomers get old and start deciding that all the stuff /they/ enjoyed as kids is now scary and wrong when their own kids do it < 1359423433 297505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly, the worst generation < 1359423491 469915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hypocrates < 1359423496 676167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-e < 1359423554 75630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: almost as bad as every other generation < 1359423622 510229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in the american popular conception of generations, the boomers didn't do anything worthwhile like fight nazis < 1359423627 947855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this might be grossly unfair < 1359423701 425018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ai gree baby boomers are shit < 1359423711 502620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure I can extend that to agreeing that not everything else is shit < 1359423716 591914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359423740 344705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"generations" concept is pretty bullshit < 1359423753 151248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i see a NYT article about "millenials" i puke a little in my mouth < 1359423782 317942 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the cut off date for millenials 2000? or if you're a bit older do you still count as Today's Mixed-Up Teens < 1359423803 936860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think millenials are 20something now < 1359423827 528302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereotypically, unemployed overeducated 20somethings who live with their parents after college < 1359423856 989310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :current generation is "Generation Z" and they are zombies < 1359423874 210776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a zombie < 1359423875 701369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds accurate < 1359423878 608537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i count as generation z < 1359423927 61259 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they seriously just count up from "Generation X"? < 1359423933 567272 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1359423964 124200 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, if you're going to use some bizarre-ass model of human growth at least have cool names for it < 1359423981 212001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame douglas coupland < 1359423985 323708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what comes after generation z < 1359423990 605445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñ < 1359423991 80488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuclear annihilation < 1359423993 151789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn't douglas coupland an anarchocapitalist < 1359424001 994303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is like the one thing i know about douglas coupland & i don't even know if it's true < 1359424004 722838 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i am so up for blaming ancaps for things < 1359424009 154213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359424013 852963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good life principles < 1359424076 616274 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A specific feature of Coupland's novels is their synthesis of postmodern religion, Web 2.0 technology, human sexuality, and pop culture." < 1359424088 468835 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He published his twelfth novel Generation A in 2009." oh /shit/ < 1359424105 363001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't eactually know if he is an anarchocapitalist or bad or whatever < 1359424109 274823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory is not terribly great < 1359424111 168428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except about useless things < 1359424120 344797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It takes place in a near future, in a world in which bees have become extinct." < 1359424120 561442 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it doesn't look like he is < 1359424158 970228 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're all dead or what < 1359424162 773713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Couplandart.jpg this is actually kinda neat < 1359424179 790622 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's kind of weird to sculpt something about that war in 2008? < 1359425501 391624 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359425971 736924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359426273 102270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what about existential types. comments on a postcard because I am leaving NOW lambdabot messages is @tell < 1359426310 992295 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott i don't know, monqy said to ask you about them? i was wondering what they were for. also this may be some kind of plot < 1359426311 209529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359426517 411934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott. @telliott. < 1359426517 666778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359426824 253484 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359426948 261896 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@telliott < 1359426948 478505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1359427526 667458 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359429063 980368 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-51.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359430614 302705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite cannot create triggers on virtual tables, and cannot use ALTER TABLE and so on to rename views and triggers. < 1359430651 448678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1359430737 419202 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho38 < 1359430743 954360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might still be possible to do some of these things using the sqlite_master table. < 1359431025 246720 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359431107 83447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know azaq23 hung out here also < 1359431178 396059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such things, as well as ADD COLUMN triggers on views, may be useful if you are making a view to override a table, and want to allow it to be further overridden. < 1359431741 168063 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359431746 417361 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359431930 530405 :md_5!~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359431939 180012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a lot of these things aren't that important and may be a bit difficult to implement, but you really should be allowed to rename a view. < 1359432029 515774 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359432229 286841 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359433199 536501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, apparently even if you have perfectly working internet, pidgin will refuse to connect to anything if network-manager thinks you don't have internet < 1359433263 211434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make sense, especially if you will want to connect to your own computer. < 1359433284 374479 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Pidgin even know about network-manager? < 1359433337 97456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember having problems of some kind that were fixed by switching network managers < 1359433351 592721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it wasn't Pidgin related though. I was having connection trouble period < 1359433358 310255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a different network manager fixed it < 1359433406 857042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: beats me < 1359433416 426401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably so that it can do clever things like reconnect when you switch wifi access points < 1359433544 131949 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1359433881 984143 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359434158 714690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if the rfkill switch for the PCIe WiFi card is enabled, then network-manager refuses to touch the USB WiFi card even though the linux rfkill subsystem says it's fine < 1359434183 220946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bad news because on this system the PCIe rfkill switch is stuck on, which is why the USB WiFi in the first place ;P < 1359434236 613642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using network-manager sounds like a good solution. < 1359434287 580500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359434375 522423 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359434441 395643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be all 90s Linux Guy but this shit is just broken, time and time again < 1359434461 375324 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't complaining about things in ubuntu make you 90s Linux Guy by default < 1359434488 256472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this is debian :/ < 1359434500 232919 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the same shit < 1359434519 653299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :network-manager is always broken. < 1359434521 545678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the flip side is that now the user of this system (not me) has to learn about ifupdown and wpa_supplicant, which definitely are less friendly to casual users than nm-applet < 1359434540 191212 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i remember giving up on learning wpa_supplicant once < 1359434540 900722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not a big deal for someone who's comfortable with the command line < 1359434573 723094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What about wicd? < 1359434576 843032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it was OK once. < 1359434580 196029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't try it < 1359434582 603179 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use wicd, it's ok < 1359434592 466697 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes forever for the curses interface to boot up for what i imagine are stupid reasons < 1359434614 273427 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dbus stuff is kinda nice though. < 1359434636 822988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids are kinda nice imo < 1359434670 275838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend said monoids make you impotent < 1359434677 703078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe him but, please prepare a 3-page rebuttal < 1359434702 296828 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf do you remember that time i looked up monoids and found a groups-but-less-so-but-still-not-monoids formalism used in describing concurrency? < 1359434713 640654 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use those for a network manager gizmo. < 1359434718 419042 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo. < 1359434729 663992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No. < 1359434754 354577 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what am I thinking, they're monoids but less so, rather than groups but less so. < 1359434759 981389 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably easier, right? < 1359434766 899822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or harder???????? < 1359434775 5735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo let's just stick with monoids < 1359434779 934897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we understand them < 1359434783 492094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we love them < 1359434787 984411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know how easy they are < 1359434791 83991 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's commutative "sometimes"!! < 1359434801 450741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Associative? < 1359434811 180239 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always, shachaf. Always. < 1359434841 720523 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoid#Partially_commutative_monoid good description imo < 1359434855 803927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359434859 717553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more than a monoid, then. < 1359434874 761898 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even easier! < 1359434890 343563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo nothing is easier than monoids < 1359434913 840567 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like commutativity :( < 1359434996 267200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose we give shachaf the old Ludovico treatment, where the film is just beaky quotes over and over < 1359435095 706724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: beaky gave me that treatment long enough < 1359435100 894843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be very annoyed by beaky < 1359435106 775002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I flipped. < 1359435134 230111 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he some kind of criminal mastermind? < 1359435141 862467 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's corrupted you... < 1359435214 406805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have joined the cult of beaky < 1359435227 531348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was easy so easy < 1359435230 939926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it < 1359435240 617921 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away slowly, forming the sign of the cross < 1359435283 263390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is cured all right < 1359435334 566701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm addicted to reading about EVE < 1359435344 17493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVE is the new Sgeolang < 1359435385 392550 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does EVE have a scripting language? It should have a scripting language based on the stock market. < 1359435427 186563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, i do love cargo cult technical analysis < 1359435429 327096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so easy < 1359435458 554257 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When's that quoted from? < 1359435477 809727 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359435485 771353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past < 1359435493 437262 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1359435508 554310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for a thing kmc said once but I guess it must've been in -blah < 1359435532 783671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : i `love` infix < 1359435556 76347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this is like reading beaky logs. < 1359435557 23447 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1359435564 515999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love (===) < 1359435570 325734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love counterexamples :) < 1359435574 932372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love <(...) redirection < 1359435583 471669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love lightweight threads < 1359435585 647858 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc......... < 1359435595 240878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops < 1359435605 206621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we've uncovered beaky's secret identity. < 1359435619 10193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's beaky's non-secret identity. < 1359435635 644539 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have to burn down this whole channel to remove the taint. < 1359435972 352709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love burning irc channels < 1359436353 275605 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359436457 787187 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359436789 932067 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359436818 600433 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy folks < 1359436823 101117 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while < 1359436836 390202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme RodgerTheGreat < 1359436838 568829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RohdgehrThehGreaht: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359436857 234434 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1359437060 145380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi RodgerTheGreat < 1359437069 91020 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going, Sgeo? < 1359437095 852865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. I have been paying attention in another channel where you happen to be < 1359437103 795015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no non-weird way to phrase that, is there < 1359437141 328958 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean what's not to like about concatenative languages amirite < 1359437177 684741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack shuffling < 1359437186 531640 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: < 1359437216 150613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kills the space=composition < 1359437232 268976 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to hang out in this channel a few years ago and it just occurred to me that the only reason I stopped was because I was too lazy to log into freenode in addition to the other server I frequent. Except now I'm on freenode all the time too. < 1359437267 303041 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate answer to stack shuffling: factor better < 1359437345 81109 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even that hard to write stack code < 1359437353 771755 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've written like 600 lines of forth today < 1359437358 512587 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally that means it's crap < 1359437362 274376 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does work < 1359437410 41222 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is surprising how often my code does work < 1359437434 673608 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe random Forth programs have a better chance of working than random Clojure programs. < 1359437467 71034 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least I can say that random strings have a better chance of being valid forth programs than valid clojure programs < 1359437514 268330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creatures SVRules was designed with that in mind I think < 1359437535 78345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language where random mutations shouldn't cause syntax errors < 1359437584 387278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatureswiki.net/wiki/Brain#A_note_from_the_programmer < 1359437593 341282 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I just found that page < 1359437614 354698 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esolangs on the wiki based off of DNA transcription? < 1359437666 373384 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you need all the proteins and general systemic systemitude to get "the full unbrittle experience" < 1359437679 854253 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are quite a few fungeoids which might be suitable < 1359437695 663735 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suitable for what? < 1359437711 577317 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being evolved via random mutation without utterly exploding < 1359437731 484280 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not *always* utterly exploding < 1359437731 720520 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359437769 374261 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: An assemblyish language doesn't seem like the best way to do that, but it's way better I guess. And apparently worked. < 1359437785 269954 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be nice to have a graphical hill-climbing demo generating piet programs < 1359437804 729178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later Creatures engines don't seem to allow for brain mutations :( < 1359437837 643960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once made a genome where I set the brain genes to be allowed to mutate... the brain never mutated... wait, those are the genes, not the SVRules on the genes that I was looking at mutationwise < 1359437901 62210 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you had brain mutations what are the odds that you end up with a norn who just spins around in a circle until he dies or something like that < 1359437914 115283 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is incapable of learning the word for food < 1359437937 208811 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well they're still based on neurons aren't they? Shitloads of redundancy. < 1359437948 946462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think vocab stuff is stored in the brain as such < 1359437981 173772 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd get a norn that just spun around in a circle on alternate tuesdays. < 1359437982 576170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to modify the brain to, say, make them blind, or make them killing machines enslaved by a dendrite in their brain that, no matter what they want to do, forces them to "hit norn" < 1359438001 439466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know the chance of a random mutation doing that though < 1359438014 623017 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm torn between thinking that's terrible and thinking that's fucking great < 1359438062 494356 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it. Watched two of them fight. Often one would be terrified but they couldn't run away. < 1359438074 195343 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun game, huh. < 1359438085 81348 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some doctor moreau shit right here < 1359438127 769598 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably much darker than the way people generally play The Sims, because at least in that case you aren't prying open their skulls and rewiring their brains < 1359438134 439672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fun: Trying to make them produce ATP exponentially and seeing how much ATP Decoupler it now takes to kill them < 1359438145 726264 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1359438152 613002 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell, man. < 1359438164 502004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see if I still have a pic < 1359438193 730984 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply never occurred to me to try these things < 1359438210 104051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, you're a Creatures fan? < 1359438226 420330 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Creatures 2 a fair bit many years ago < 1359438250 943788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is C3/DS focused < 1359438257 182082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never tried the other games < 1359438350 890211 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried using these surgically-altered supersoldier norns to kill grendels? < 1359438369 632218 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/CcRPqzy.png < 1359438431 595589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the latest versions I have lying around are set to hit all creatures or just norns < 1359438434 710779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all creatures < 1359438456 470926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made them stronger (in terms of being less vulnerable), not sure if they're perfect though < 1359438464 182448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they should be able to defeat grendels < 1359438479 480859 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make them incapable of feeling pain < 1359438522 560693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I'm not sure whether trying to keep the chemical at 0 is sufficient, or if I'd need to clear the relevant neuron before the brain processes, or what < 1359438548 591266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why would I want to do that? It's not like the brain is going to process pain significantly differently from, say, severe boredom < 1359438568 330323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably pain feels better than boredom, because pain and fear cause the other drives to go down < 1359438586 745116 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunh < 1359438623 964378 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they just curl up in a ball if you wire them to always be in pain, then? < 1359438636 199061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make the "ow" sound repeatedly < 1359438640 952919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a sad look on their face < 1359438646 711582 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1359438673 948313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Antinorn < 1359438679 952554 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Not the real AntiNorn) < 1359438693 802087 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there sim games that don't bring out the Milgram in all of us < 1359438707 133374 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that when brain-uploading becomes feasible at some point in the distant future there are going to be some absolutely monstrous games made as a result < 1359438733 817378 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have made death threats to norn torturers < 1359438741 212970 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it < 1359438752 914032 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are cute and good at eliciting empathetic responses in humans < 1359438774 124101 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably on some level to discourage players from torturing them to death < 1359438807 165092 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which do you feel would cause more of a response: Commands to cause norns to make sounds like they're miserable and in pain but don't actually feel it, or commands to cause pain in the norns that doesn't get expressed outwardly? < 1359438861 395659 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breed I made once: The badniks. (Took name suggestion from someone). Basically a norn in a toy robot body < 1359438879 661487 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't eat or play with toys, for all the world they are a toy, but their brain is still active, suffering < 1359438910 362819 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Jebus. < 1359438911 763810 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antinorn: maybe your username should be "AM" < 1359438933 128513 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it? < 1359438958 605772 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream < 1359439064 796983 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, what the hell. < 1359439074 908628 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you pick the wings off of flies? < 1359439191 492652 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their brains are very simple, I find it unlikely that there's actually a conscious experience < 1359439229 339304 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly I am uncertain as to what sort of programming it would take before there's a real moral question < 1359439235 652651 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't pick the wings off of flies. < 1359439248 821818 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about norn brains, not fly brains < 1359439264 636006 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think flies are conscious? < 1359439266 369038 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fly brains are admittedly many orders of magnitude more complex than norn brains < 1359439398 373394 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359439419 746972 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi monqy. The entire channel seems to think I'm a sociopath. < 1359439430 50175 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359439441 73398 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you torture ancient Chinese friendship monqys? < 1359439455 80655 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to my knowledge < 1359439456 301049 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a Han emperor shot for immortality that way. < 1359439460 332953 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really taking a stance either way < 1359439551 107176 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done good things to norns < 1359439566 751091 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to provide examples < 1359439576 347119 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote an agent that stops them from using the Holistic Learning Machine more than once, which is good because they tend to get addicted < 1359439610 867396 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://exploringtheark.livejournal.com/2840.html < 1359439614 226137 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Search for Sgeo) < 1359439666 83122 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Xia dynasty is more interesting than the Han though. < 1359439686 315067 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made norns incapable of hitting norns, and norns incapable of hitting any creature < 1359439691 833352 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably know more about Creatures. My friends played it when I was a kid and it's all very noncognitivistish AI. < 1359439715 116758 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too late to start playing (it is too late to get an account) < 1359439720 496313 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't one of the guys behind it have a reasonably high-traffic blog? I think I remember reading one of his entries about today's mixed-up teens. < 1359439724 601949 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What systems is it for? < 1359439728 190939 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would I need an account. < 1359439733 190239 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antinorn: does the process to make them abhor violence involve classical music and eyedrops? < 1359439750 625012 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creaturesdockingstation.com/ < 1359439753 67915 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: ^5 < 1359439755 326204 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two independent clockwork references in one night! Whoa, man. < 1359439779 408732 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359439794 626447 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need an account to let norns travel the warp: That is, sending norns to others, receiving them, or making portals that let norns choose to leave for other worlds on their own < 1359439808 135814 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antinorn: Oh, cool link, thanks. < 1359439813 169581 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1359439815 316337 :Antinorn!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1359439846 248277 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Also, welcome back to the magical land of #esoteric. Some people no doubt missed you. :P < 1359439867 717766 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is vaguely possible < 1359439869 18310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you'll need the DS Offline Option (which is linked on the page) < 1359439898 30466 :noam__!~noam@213.57.201.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359439921 161931 :noam__!~noam@213.57.201.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359439924 812510 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, I love applying patches. < 1359439954 501694 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Don't know if I've kept you updated on the sheer madness that Egobot has become. < 1359439961 308821 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more to the point, HackEgo. < 1359439972 602239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really simple, it's just putting the files in the correct directories < 1359439973 549556 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said hello earlier < 1359439987 230159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the readme seems to assume you're on Windows < 1359439996 375437 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "the trick is to bang the rocks together, guys" < 1359439998 70520 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo `which welcome` < 1359439999 850897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/welcome < 1359440005 29136 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLAH < 1359440008 598079 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which welcome` < 1359440009 70306 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1359440010 255850 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1359440011 482684 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm also used to software not working on Linux. < 1359440019 717681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, this should work on Linux < 1359440025 882284 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that says it all. < 1359440028 525050 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in relation to your readme comment. < 1359440033 421467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1359440043 929959 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'll try it later. < 1359440053 53903 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if 90s vintage software will actually function on this thing. < 1359440058 119745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids are so easy :') < 1359440070 988451 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1359440075 476912 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, norns aren't associative in that way! < 1359440075 693562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1359440076 351361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows, it insists on being High Color (16-bit) < 1359440084 778345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that one was dispproval wasn't it < 1359440089 651083 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: : ) < 1359440098 669760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a : ) of yes < 1359440101 609505 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: still writing horrifying and amazing things in javascript? < 1359440106 926732 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hah. < 1359440109 855532 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1359440120 15067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a yes of yes < 1359440120 489569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is more 2001 vintage software I think < 1359440122 857646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a yes of no < 1359440279 600652 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Since he seems to not be around right now: short story "yes, but not all Javascript". < 1359440287 115441 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR His bitbucket is fun. < 1359440343 785284 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The necessary components, adapted from OpenSolaris, to build working binaries for AT&T UNIX System V/386 Release 4.0 with no original C compiler system (i.e., no headers, no .a files, no crt files)." what < 1359440387 817491 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: You may also like his IOCCC winner: http://www.ioccc.org/2011/richards/richards.c < 1359440419 488542 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, christ, that was him? < 1359440420 909625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if/when someone looking for Haskell monad tutorials will accidentally stumble on the APL/J description of monads < 1359440424 290049 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359440434 80523 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: god, i hope so < 1359440471 738915 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1359440517 967495 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'monad' is so horribly overloaded im confident someone has heard about 'monads in haskell' and thought it's some philosophy junk < 1359440541 924062 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horribly confused but probably at a less harmful level than the result of a bad monad tutorial? < 1359440572 580669 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, nuthin wrong with some random nerd learning about Leibniz, right? < 1359440640 444409 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a term for Divinity or the first being, or the totality of all beings,[citation needed] Monad being the source or the One meaning without division. < 1359440678 153653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you divinity < 1359440682 991734 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359440711 520874 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359440724 765514 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Leibniz_Monadology_2.jpg manuscript on "monadology", by leibniz < 1359440742 607881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359440752 348786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that leibniz's handwriting < 1359440759 653963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even read it < 1359440766 274616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo dijkstra's was better < 1359440804 126381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd10xx/EWD1094.PDF < 1359440805 74312 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra's was great from a fairly objective standpoint < 1359440806 467741 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are manifest, since they are everywhere, and there is no extension without monads < 1359440826 270160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no that's comonads............. < 1359440827 928442 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a ridiculously neat hand. < 1359440834 32072 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fountain pens, man < 1359440841 257595 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fountain pens and giving a damn < 1359440874 935275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wish I had handwriting as good as EWD's. < 1359440912 518608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if I got a fountain pen, I wouldn't be able to do the other half for very long < 1359440949 639088 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monadology thing is pretty hilarious actually < 1359440970 759717 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like atomic theory if atoms were sapient and couldn't talk and took up no space ("extension") < 1359441021 126243 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'later folks < 1359441035 444414 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-215-242.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com QUIT :Quit: RodgerTheGreat < 1359441232 673970 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spends more time in awe at EWD's handwriting < 1359442342 380743 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359442384 126556 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359442390 958595 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359443430 703230 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359443954 301087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359444292 283181 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359445784 234734 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359445789 554762 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359446465 999029 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359446728 600374 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359448782 311294 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw shit, I just saw how difference lists are implemented < 1359448789 693413 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, one implementation < 1359448807 192495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1359448810 746909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone stand back. < 1359448838 545159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats a sandwich < 1359449045 775617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does sky mean < 1359449054 738112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good < 1359449057 511601 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359449075 421558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1359449148 55392 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : monqy : [] < 1359449158 938359 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi??? < 1359449169 250366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trapped you in a list < 1359449485 445439 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1359449575 91540 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359449928 681531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe looking at the list of languages on RosettaCode may not be a good idea for me < 1359449936 668644 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1359449995 368535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feed my language addiction < 1359450039 99851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should quit, Sgeo. < 1359450661 520074 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those languages are probably bad anyway < 1359450682 702709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All languages are bad. < 1359450687 804169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Ada??????? < 1359450695 116544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: imo ada should be your next language < 1359450775 628517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip of the day: languages that a Sgeo uses are commonly called "Sganguages". < 1359450814 120128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do we call the languages Sgeo talks about but never actually uses for anything? < 1359451143 794834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgunges, I think. < 1359451164 409379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I think I've seen a few papers on the evolution of the sganguage-sgunge ratio. < 1359451559 554752 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359452602 815395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As concurrency is part of the language specification, the compiler can in some cases detect potential deadlocks." < 1359452641 407842 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ada also supports run-time checks to protect against ... off-by-one errors"? < 1359452644 957196 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1359452662 42910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably just those that result in out-of-bounds access, or ... what? < 1359452677 201898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno man it's p.crazy < 1359452709 622699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say "stuff like" type T is range 1 .. 100; < 1359452714 877804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lets see haskell do that??" < 1359452788 493575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ada is a structured programming language, meaning that the flow of control is structured into standard statements." < 1359452804 211621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this Wikipedia article written from the point of view of a person in the ancient past? < 1359452808 261508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1359452817 787400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ada is 4modern though!!! < 1359452819 443211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you from the past? < 1359452826 695739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what the latest version of ada is < 1359452830 954315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^apply British accent < 1359452833 125645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer ada 2012 < 1359452848 835388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is only at 11 < 1359452852 509160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I should watch more IT Crowd < 1359452855 897790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one goes up to 12 < 1359452961 588544 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 and it still doesn't have a turing-complete type system < 1359452975 480963 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Son I'm disappoint < 1359453048 282647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So GNAT Programming Studio is a well-known IDE for Ada but it can also be used for Python < 1359453048 756454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1359453126 869664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your next language should totally be Ada. < 1359453130 688317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be great. < 1359453161 745168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, if it is, it is entirely your fault < 1359453403 44967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359453802 578171 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359454166 592866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359455024 576220 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359455206 38353 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359455962 397770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So can you tell me about things that are corepresentable by a costrong copprofunctor? < 1359455981 48384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uld < 1359456002 689585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coerjan < 1359456035 188847 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type coerjan < 1359456147 386679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mment < 1359456180 739624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco < 1359456180 956291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lispy says: I think communicating with aliens will make unicode obsolete :( < 1359456192 739589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco.*\bco < 1359456192 981565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius says: Alternatively, it could be arrived at from the continuity properties of exponentials. < 1359456202 182947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco.*\bco.*\bco < 1359456202 399690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ndm says: i once had a boss who complained because some code someone had written crashed, and yet "it clearly says in the company coding guidelines not to write code that crashes" < 1359456204 146076 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359456213 731418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco < 1359456213 948318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksilver says: < quicksilver> C++ templates can embed arbitrary computation at compile time < quicksilver> that alone tells you something about the complexity of the compiler < edwardk> yeah. < 1359456213 948514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were accidentally turing complete. (whoops!) ;) < quicksilver> edwardk: OOPS I ACCIDENTALLY THE WHOLE TARPIT < 1359456232 44113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco < 1359456232 260877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : says: From "Inventing computer games with Python": "Copying and pasting text is a very useful computer skill, especially for computer programming. There is a video tutorial on copying and < 1359456232 261066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasting at this book's website at http://inventwithpython.com/videos/." < 1359456247 713778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco < 1359456247 930288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : says: From "Inventing computer games with Python": "Copying and pasting text is a very useful computer skill, especially for computer programming. There is a video tutorial on copying and < 1359456247 930483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasting at this book's website at http://inventwithpython.com/videos/." < 1359456251 297719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco.*\bco < 1359456251 514912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist! < 1359456257 174071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too many cos. That's just ridiculous. < 1359456289 730204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco[^m].*\bco[^m].*\bco[^m] < 1359456289 946613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :luite says: *amacleod started excising GOTOs from his BASIC code when he was 10. *roconnor started excising GOTOs from his Pascal code when he was 11. *luite used goto's in his C code last year. < 1359456304 261707 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a sin? < 1359456363 302513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO TO, I'LL NO MORE ON'T < 1359456443 781285 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote shift.reset < 1359456444 34540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :therp says: good morning. I think I have been dreaming of shift/reset continuations... < 1359456453 80657 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote shift.*reset < 1359456453 315813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :therp says: good morning. I think I have been dreaming of shift/reset continuations... < 1359456475 499230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco[^d].*\bco[^d].*\bco[^d] < 1359456475 716947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk says: People are strange, when you're a shapr, faces look ugly when you're alone, women seem wicked when you're unwanted, streets are all uphill when you're a clown. when you're straaaange < 1359456475 717162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one remembers your name... coz its changed...coz its changed.. coz its... chaaannnngeed. < 1359456516 839774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco[^d].*\bco[^d].*\bco[^d] < 1359456517 56782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CharlesBabbage says: On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind < 1359456517 56968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. < 1359456525 570538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco[^du].*\bco[^du].*\bco[^du] < 1359456526 114586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Igloo says: Did hugs' ./configure always end with "config.status: executing ultra-evil commands"? < 1359456544 512261 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco[a-z]+\s+co[a-z]+\s+co < 1359456544 754336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga? < 1359456556 295478 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \bco[a-z]+\s+co < 1359456556 551166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott says: i'm here to prove theorems and compile code and I'm all out of code < 1359456627 946571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Coearlier < 1359456903 10285 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading through some C code recently and thinking "this would be much clearer with goto" < 1359456917 931612 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was a break out of a multilevel for loop by setting the control variables) < 1359456936 682078 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the more refined rule of "never use gotos to jump backwards or into blocks" is probably a better one to teach people < 1359456941 106626 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forwards and out of blocks is OK < 1359456983 628196 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto is so good that you have to train people not to use it. < 1359457848 565439 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359457850 425805 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359457879 313746 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359458757 424125 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359460401 917624 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just saw some of the most muddled Java code ever < 1359460429 779026 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it opened the same file for both read and (non-append) write, then attempted to do a cat from one to the other at the same time as attempting to do the actual exercise < 1359460467 746938 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and contained about three nested loops, two of which both looped over lines of the file, and one of which was a standard "i=0;i++++++>+++++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>.>.>++.>-. [238] < 1359480749 174882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. < 1359480754 221660 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen nowadays < 1359480756 997773 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​82 +++++++++++[>+>++++++++++>+++++++++><<<<-]>>.+.++++++++.>--.+++.---.<++.------.<-. [247] < 1359480772 887522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even produce nested loops? < 1359480777 394097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen produce < 1359480780 207317 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​72 ++++++++++[>+++++++++++>++++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.++.---.>.<++++++.>-.++.>. [760] < 1359480790 298132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen The producer produced < 1359480792 879479 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​177 ++++++++++++++[>++++++>++++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>.++++++++++++++++++++.---.>>>++++.<.++.<-.-----------.>+++.<-.<.>>---.>.<--.++.---.<+.>++++++.<-.++.-.>>----------------------. [447] < 1359481315 25413 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359481315 355304 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359481315 355451 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359481650 897677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1359481749 125093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always (+)*n [>(+)*a >(+)*b >(+)*c >(+)*d] and then a sequence of <>+-. < 1359481763 738579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, with <<<<- in the (only) loop too. < 1359481780 361777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often that means there's a >><< in the loop. < 1359481795 817336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Java program it's based on has the number of cells used as a configurable option.) < 1359481801 72648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1359481803 794166 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​68 ++++++++++++[>++++++++>++++++++>+>+<<<<-]>+......>+...<......>..>--. [458] < 1359481830 534079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was unexpectedly bad. < 1359481835 753444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1359481837 321469 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​65 ++++++++++++[>++++++++>++++++++>+><<<<-]>+....>+.............>--. [723] < 1359481844 549347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's not much better. < 1359481854 442516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version in the bot has quite a low count of generations. < 1359482375 76323 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359483613 880171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359483668 89132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen é? < 1359483671 27045 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​71 +++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>.>--.>---. [789] < 1359483685 584261 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>.>--.>---. < 1359483687 575432 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​é? < 1359483691 128473 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! :D < 1359483698 163943 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works even with fake letters! < 1359483748 192251 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359483751 70777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359483765 846086 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359484054 115483 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359484332 543363 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1359484375 33084 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359484438 197179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ー < 1359484442 141386 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​86 ++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++++++++>+<<<<-]>-.>-.>----.>--. [899] < 1359484483 214713 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen 私のホバークラフトは鰻で一杯です. < 1359484485 572511 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​854 ++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++<<<<-]>+++.>>-.<---.<----.>.>>------.<<<.>++.>------------.<<.>.>-----------.<<.>.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>--------------.>+.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<+.<<----------------------------------------------------------.>>>.<.++++++++++++++++++.<.>------------------.+++++.<.>-------.++++++ < 1359484494 627059 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad. < 1359484602 386987 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359484616 613747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your hovercraft is full of eels? < 1359484667 720955 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359484698 915341 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359484735 523092 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would generally write that without the kanji for "unagi" FWIW. < 1359484769 938122 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 「私のホバークラフトはウナギで一杯です。」 < 1359484792 815434 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe also いっぱい instead of 一杯, but eh < 1359484822 551212 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen 私のホバークラフトはウナギで一杯です。 < 1359484824 720134 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thaaar < 1359484825 228708 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​744 ++++++++++++++[>++++++++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++>++++++++++++<<<<-]>+++++++.>-.>+++.<<----.>>.>++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<++.<------------.<.>>.<-----------.>>.<.<<---------------------------------------.>>>.<<--------------.<-------------.>>>.<.<<------.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>.++++++++++++++++++.<<.>+.+++++.<.>-------.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<.>+.>---------.<<.>+.+++++++.<. < 1359484921 782463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen おいししそう < 1359484925 346160 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​144 ++++++++++++++[>++++++++++++++++>+++++++++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>+++.>+++.>--.<<.>.+++.<.>---.>+++++++++++++.<<.>.>.<<.>.>++++++.<<.>.+++++.>>----. [965] < 1359484927 205483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-typo < 1359484948 401757 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two; that sucker's usually kanji: 美味しそう < 1359485038 187013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/people_stats.html PLORTS < 1359485058 503857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I forgot to update the

. < 1359485204 565789 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359485276 729437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody wanted to screw up your x statistics. < 1359485277 477201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It Must Be A Coincidence[tm]: HackEgo has a giant peak at characters-per-message = 10; the string "No output." has ten characters. < 1359485285 386965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_x.html < 1359485325 952581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Whenever I see people say "lib/lab/con parties are the same, I'm voting UKIP" I read it as "coke and pepsi are the same, I'm drinking piss"' < 1359485359 27357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The peaks there are things like http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-10-25#163851fungot for example. < 1359485359 284557 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm not such fan of stacks, probably because he was expelled and couldn't sit his exam that he was going to < 1359485409 336326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacks proved that he was unable to form an orderly queue < 1359485620 607836 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I like my eels kanjied, even if common usage disagrees. < 1359485637 419322 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, whatevs. < 1359485664 363380 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like having an excuse to not remember the animal kanji. :P < 1359485741 652627 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I handwrite it, I use katakanas cause my penmanship is abysmally bad. < 1359485760 875725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359485804 694416 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly, my Japanese handwriting is halfway decent. < 1359485844 788856 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this handicap called "left handedness". < 1359485849 305672 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1359485954 95973 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Burn the witch!) < 1359485989 900983 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :魔女燃やして! < 1359486193 397355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeh... I think, last time I checked, that I'm far from being on the 女 side of humanity. < 1359486218 124580 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be trans and not know it? :P < 1359486402 373669 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359486709 594401 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION はpikhqを大きなニジマスでひっぱたく。 < 1359486758 951485 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartass. < 1359486869 305153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently... ♪ < 1359486953 785172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :共産主義の話をやめる、我々は戦争に勝った。 < 1359486994 93444 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate I assume? < 1359487007 55048 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU CHALLENGING MY JAPANESE PROWESS < 1359487033 49948 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that ended up being a remarkably understandable translation. < 1359487055 756449 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite *right*, but remarkably understandable. < 1359487083 48556 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stop the communist talk; we beat you in the war." or some such < 1359487129 661877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: So. < 1359487133 7934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@left handed < 1359487133 645891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : TemplateHaskell is not enabled < 1359487142 450685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too. < 1359487149 48201 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Considering that what I entered was grammatically incorrect, that's pretty good. < 1359487153 886097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually pretty awesome that they write from right to left. < 1359487154 228091 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stop talking communist, we won the war." < 1359487168 563510 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359487176 24935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stroke order however is right handed. < 1359487185 855227 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What it jacked up was it didn't use the imperative at all. < 1359487212 112405 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "(someone) stops talking communist, we won the war" is more what the Japanese actually says. < 1359487225 237804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it didn't use the imperative, then didn't it really say something more like "You st—right. < 1359487630 737788 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a = max {n, m} and b = min {n, m} < 1359487630 954877 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :find q and r in a = q*b + r ; now compute the same with b = a and a = r until r = 0 < 1359487650 971753 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a recursive or iterative way of writing the Euclidean algorithm? < 1359488281 386534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359488543 323585 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359488552 490245 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359489450 693199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that matter? < 1359489461 169457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement it recursive < 1359489463 139626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or iterative < 1359489469 434357 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the way I formulated it < 1359489475 108458 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that recursive or iterative < 1359489479 897741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are bijective. < 1359489487 885467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359489490 836466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until sounds iterative < 1359489515 944400 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, edge condition for recursion? < 1359489543 19 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it is somehow iterative in that way, but on the other hand it seems recursive < 1359489556 253593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the are the same as far as I'm concerned. < 1359489558 344792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they < 1359489580 238727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i = 0; i < 10; i ++ { i++;} < 1359489586 56069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that recursive or iterative? < 1359489595 343801 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterative < 1359489609 286842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359489619 188966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359489622 560804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*j++ < 1359489623 892614 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly wrote the interation step: i++ < 1359489627 762235 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iteration < 1359489632 424152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1359489639 658888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let i = 0; < 1359489668 18825 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but now you could formulate it different < 1359489672 986575 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359489675 984029 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would do the same thing, only in a recursive way < 1359489695 898041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment j and i as long as i is smaller than 10 < 1359489700 963317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that recursive or iterative? < 1359489703 854769 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359489707 446517 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to wikipedia, you need: < 1359489708 637483 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : A simple base case (or cases), and A set of rules which reduce all other cases toward the base case. < 1359489733 707527 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mathematical iteration is defined as applying a function to itself < 1359489756 959145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: iterative == tail recursive, essentially < 1359489762 144155 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359489782 13010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go with an algorithm is an algorithm and you can implement it either recursive or iterative < 1359489799 162828 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha, and the example I gave was tail recursive < 1359489816 205637 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain my confusion < 1359489859 84741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : although it should be noted that usual I don't know what I'm talking about < 1359489859 800712 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I agree, but I was just wondering about this particular formulation of the algorithm < 1359489864 834561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually < 1359489933 15072 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose the following algorithm: < 1359489933 232448 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :compute b = a + 1 and then make the same calculation with b < 1359489971 143550 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would be f(x) = x+1, f(f(f(...(x)...))) < 1359489984 287956 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can be seen as iterative < 1359490015 798884 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also see it as f(x) = f(x -1) + 1 < 1359490025 135252 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is recursive < 1359490047 176438 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way I formulate didn't really tell whether or not I mean the former or the latter < 1359490074 574720 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although would it be a problem if the function took 2 parameters? < 1359490088 780136 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess you could still do function composition < 1359490699 976111 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359492206 146895 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359492618 463646 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359493835 498868 :j4kudl4ty!~PircBot@ip-194-187-74-235.konfederacka.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359493836 34232 :j4kudl4ty!~PircBot@ip-194-187-74-235.konfederacka.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359494427 340994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#django is like 10:1 questions:answers :( < 1359494577 163448 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359494578 355539 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :##questionsonly is 10:0 questions:answers. < 1359494613 445797 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359494620 473507 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :##answersonly is 42 < 1359494641 554404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you did there. < 1359494877 461751 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359495026 545182 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359495066 141464 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359495796 655199 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359495944 114870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . read <$> words "72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33 10" < 1359495946 294594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello, world!\n" < 1359496000 720675 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr <$> [0xC3, 0xA9] < 1359496002 204247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\195\169" < 1359496225 881448 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359496288 439171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ElisaL < 1359496294 425102 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1359496295 293313 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElisaL: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359496338 454043 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1359496414 676989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit quiet here at the moment < 1359496524 898458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359496539 750058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shouts < 1359496550 862093 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of voids, of unanswered mythical questions, of puzzlements, of weirdness (even if we aren't going to reach next Friday in a while), and kmces who shout. < 1359496560 147328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shouts at fungot < 1359496561 54248 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: doesn't r5rs define core features and then library functions? < 1359496566 673703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does it? < 1359496567 382323 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yep. i'm using drscheme)? < 1359496571 649962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1359496571 895169 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1359496574 532390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1359496575 5582 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1359496576 915629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shouts at fungot < 1359496577 357987 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: flag1 is a one's place, then you'll be able to understand. beginning and advanced programmers leave let out because it's the lowest location used. it concludes with the crsr keys. < 1359496599 546828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice alliteration there < 1359496672 23113 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359496681 894030 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1359496714 533620 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359497080 425350 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1359497710 754687 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $((-2**63/-1)) < 1359497764 79845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1359497780 110127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63/-1 < 1359497781 613430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `/-' < 1359497781 830900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1359497781 831084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `-' (imported from P... < 1359497787 251463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63 / -1 < 1359497789 383185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1359497800 447304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $((-2**63/-1)) < 1359497801 955232 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point exception < 1359497821 675660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that was nasty. < 1359497926 315131 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359497941 534324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're not paying by the character, you can say "cursor" and not have to abrv it as "crsr". < 1359497941 751647 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one of the easiest way to translate sheet music for your statements might not otherwise run in the < 1359497948 609591 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's running on a 32bit machine? < 1359497958 313518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359498019 142303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Int < 1359498020 356813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807 < 1359498023 135079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit < 1359498028 386138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"terminated"? < 1359498052 510040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… is that parsed as -(2**63) or (-2)**63? < 1359498055 407399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it has to be the latter < 1359498084 674716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well (-2)**63 == (-2)**31 on a 32-bit machine < 1359498136 409405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-2)**63 Haskellwise is a Floating, anyway? < 1359498145 678307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63 / -1 < 1359498147 137291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1359498147 353912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `GHC.Real./' [infixl 7] and prefix... < 1359498163 905406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated just means lambdabot timed out for whatever reason < 1359498200 403567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63 < 1359498201 889593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9.223372036854776e18 < 1359498273 266344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kqueue.org/blog/2012/12/31/idiv-dos/ -- oh ho, that's been even in PostgreSQL. < 1359498313 602175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a level in the io wargame too < 1359498340 121930 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = x in x < 1359498343 756142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1359498372 752628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's Terminated because it got a SIGFPE signal < 1359498383 163587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly caught by GHC runtime, possibly not < 1359498395 264301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um no it isn't, it doesn't parse hth < 1359498399 423180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359498400 843824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359498403 872949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why that result < 1359498408 471476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2**63) / (-1) < 1359498409 931310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.223372036854776e18 < 1359498413 43544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1359498418 209612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2**63) / (-1)) :: Int < 1359498419 631398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Types.Int) < 1359498419 848701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1359498422 841163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1359498425 600516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sometimes lambdabot gives Terminated just when it's too busy < 1359498426 945644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2**63) `div` (-1)) :: Int < 1359498428 366303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Types.Int) < 1359498428 583090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1359498441 120027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2^63) `div` (-1)) :: Int < 1359498442 672661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: arithmetic overflow < 1359498444 952230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359498454 725659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we are < 1359498474 626287 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fiora mentioned that there are processors that give you 0x8fffffff and 0x80000000 < 1359498479 860046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2^63) - 1) :: Int < 1359498481 357336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807 < 1359498484 378510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: heh < 1359498552 195998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about processors that give you 0x100000000 except somehow stuffed in 32 bits, maybe by making the 0s a bit less wide than usual? < 1359498567 482171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there such processors < 1359498567 739949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might burst < 1359498578 85614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, compressed integers? < 1359498585 20665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blorp, goes the processor, bit juice leaking all over the place. < 1359498589 145719 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most processors can't handle more than 1:1 bitcompression < 1359498595 792384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of the old microcomputer trick: format your tapes several times, not just one < 1359498603 215360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each time the tape stretches a bit and you get more storage < 1359498629 683538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then *snap*? < 1359498640 311055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that was for the ZX Microdrive < 1359498686 933391 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the tapes could become vulcanizing if you stretch them, so that if you do that one time too many you end up with a solid puck of tape < 1359498804 44498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular 1440k floppies you could (FSVO "could") quite well format at 1600k or 1680k for a bit of extra space. < 1359498863 734782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, it probably wouldn't stretch anything.) < 1359498864 7476 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had some 2.88MB floppies that I accidentally reformatted as 1.44MB and I had no tools that could add back the 2.88MB magic < 1359498873 328168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I was slightly sad < 1359498908 303504 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does formatting a floppy drive actually redraw the lines between bits? < 1359498911 976242 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, floppy disk. < 1359498920 441388 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floppy disks have little lines painted in between the bits, right? < 1359498945 63206 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359498955 603578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humunculus with the chalk walks out and redraws the lines, yeah < 1359498956 82072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to draw the line somewhere < 1359498984 338481 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I kinda expected the lines to be permanent somehow. < 1359499027 170632 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose this means that a formatted floppy disk necessarily has a finite lifespan, since every time you write to it, the bits move around a little bit, and eventually some of the bits will get too close together. < 1359499031 9458 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right? < 1359499063 564392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the bits actually move around, they just change magnetization < 1359499093 661735 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, if you draw new bits on top of old bits, you're not going to get them in exactly the same place that you did before. < 1359499174 793171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnets, how do they work < 1359499206 264425 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk_format < 1359499379 387488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Linux you could just access/fdformat the /dev/fd0H{1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920} device -- going as high up as you dare. < 1359500136 406401 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1743? why an ugly odd number between all those beautiful evens? < 1359500193 876464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's parityist < 1359500299 442254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1743/3 < 1359500301 143687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 581.0 < 1359500319 547291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 1743 < 1359500320 771545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1743: 3 7 83 < 1359500388 950890 :atehwa!atehwa@188.127.205.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359500390 205182 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rule for determining divisibility by seven? i forget. < 1359500394 475521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920" | xargs -d, -1 factor < 1359500395 373754 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs: invalid option -- '1' \ Usage: xargs [-0prtx] [--interactive] [--null] [-d|--delimiter=delim] \ [-E eof-str] [-e[eof-str]] [--eof[=eof-str]] \ [-L max-lines] [-l[max-lines]] [--max-lines[=max-lines]] \ [-I replace-str] [-i[replace-str]] [--replace[=replace-str]] \ [-n max-args] [--max-args=max-args] \ [-s < 1359500426 343132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920" | xargs -d, -n 1 factor < 1359500428 597533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600: 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 5 \ 1680: 2 2 2 2 3 5 7 \ 1722: 2 3 7 41 \ 1743: 3 7 83 \ 1760: 2 2 2 2 2 5 11 \ 1840: 2 2 2 2 5 23 \ factor: `1920\n' is not a valid positive integer < 1359500440 124952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920" | xargs -d, -n 1 factor < 1359500442 83111 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600: 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 5 \ 1680: 2 2 2 2 3 5 7 \ 1722: 2 3 7 41 \ 1743: 3 7 83 \ 1760: 2 2 2 2 2 5 11 \ 1840: 2 2 2 2 5 23 \ 1920: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 5 < 1359500476 869212 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359500501 377919 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night everyone! < 1359500503 37266 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1359500551 299952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like several of them are multiples of 21 < 1359500553 609034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go ahead and suspect it had 83 tracks and 21 sectors/track. < 1359500634 878003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the standard 1440 comes from 80*18.) < 1359500736 951805 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359500801 635163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1660 == 80*20, 1680 == 80*21, 1722 == 82*21, 1743 == 83*21, 1760 == 80*22, 1840 == 80*23, 1920 == 80*24] < 1359500803 368182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [False,True,True,True,True,True,True] < 1359500808 150638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359500808 894197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359500815 180871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1600 == 80*20, 1680 == 80*21, 1722 == 82*21, 1743 == 83*21, 1760 == 80*22, 1840 == 80*23, 1920 == 80*24] < 1359500816 919000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,True,True,True,True,True,True] < 1359500870 308549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the seven rule is weird. < 1359500908 660271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :divisibility by seven? < 1359500910 765817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and [1600 == 80*20, 1680 == 80*21, 1722 == 82*21, 1743 == 83*21, 1760 == 80*22, 1840 == 80*23, 1920 == 80*24] -- OPTOMIZED FOR HUNAM PROCESSING OF OUTPUT < 1359500912 717364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1359500916 165594 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven rule? < 1359500932 996454 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, like the "add up the digits, if the sum is divisible by three it is" rule for three < 1359500952 156746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, that works because 3 divides 10-1 < 1359500969 172984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rule for 11 works because 11 divides 10+1 (duh) < 1359500985 980652 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1359500986 217667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules for 2 and 5 work because they divide 10 < 1359500989 379042 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you're saying is we need more octal < 1359501000 342529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 7 doesn't divide anything before 1001 afair < 1359501011 343152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1001/7 < 1359501013 471401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 143.0 < 1359501119 692094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 999/7 < 1359501121 666249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 142.71428571428572 < 1359501136 242684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um duh. < 1359501162 441101 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo should be 141, just to make sevens more unique < 1359501171 65352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1359501188 482607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and n/7 for non-multiples of 7 are all rotations of 285714 < 1359501218 409683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last digit multiply by 2 subtract from rest test that for div by 7 < 1359501219 355315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1359501256 856963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 999999/7 < 1359501258 986691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 142857.0 < 1359501287 352060 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep < 1359501313 683455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqqqqqq < 1359501313 900392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1359501318 897321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah < 1359501335 546475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they're for stuff < 1359501350 650664 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh can't you at least yell at me or something < 1359501377 260762 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359501381 762455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: FUCK FUCK SHIT SHIT FUCK < 1359501383 431426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1359501392 618422 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1359501392 835057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary swearing < 1359501404 645353 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 132 < 1359501439 624945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just 25 afaict < 1359501611 377501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359501837 895937 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359502936 575054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a feeling Gregor would agree with it < 1359502937 47702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/17hz0y/git_ui_is_a_nightmare_of_mixed_metaphors/ < 1359502956 523166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the git UI is awful < 1359502966 216628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the data model is elegant and the tools compose < 1359502967 829353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like UNIX < 1359502977 480772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the UNIX data model is not actually elegant < 1359503014 596045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data model is broken in git < 1359503026 591910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1359503030 148000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: any #esoteric discussion about scapegoat < 1359503040 678061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like breaking broken data models down to "the simplest thing you can't do" < 1359503054 309609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's scapegoat? < 1359503056 230706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in git, that's pulling some but not all patches from an upstream branch < 1359503075 701531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scapegoat is a VCS (which #acehack have branded "the #esoteric VCS"), which nobody has made a serious attempt at writing < 1359503095 928158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that easily, but you lose the link between the upstream patches and your patches < 1359503099 285343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basic concepts, we've got down < 1359503123 890559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, you can diff and apply patches (and there's a command to do that automatically) < 1359503128 644100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't the same as tracking upstream if it's not linear < 1359503144 836525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rebase preserving merges, although it is pretty nasty < 1359503158 412850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and I don't want to do all this manual work < 1359503172 812659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs gets this particular problem right, incidentally, although it fails on others < 1359503173 348295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i wouldn't say that the Git data model is 'broken'; of course there are some things it doesn't support well, but it provides a pretty good ratio of power to complexity < 1359503206 326738 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359503236 321970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the problem is that it has no concept of anything but snapshots < 1359503243 302058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't understand the notion of a change < 1359503248 868818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so has to run crazy merging algorithms each time < 1359503267 16672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions differ on whether this is a good or a bad thing < 1359503273 9999 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359503280 953103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it much easier to understand what you actually have in your repository and how it relates to other stuff < 1359503319 683036 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359503330 2724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which helps when your UI is broken < 1359503337 974979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if Git's UI were better, it could support a more complex data model < 1359503382 569046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1359503589 563025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1359503591 419609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359503612 910520 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1359503627 530757 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they picked the name to be intuitive like that < 1359503631 329192 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1359503659 638984 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they pick that name, anyway? < 1359503711 535311 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are category theory fetishists < 1359503782 227177 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the category theorists. < 1359503877 969972 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because category theory is a ruse to overload normal words and combinations of everyday prefixes and suffixes with complex and arcane meanings < 1359503891 199745 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was math generally. < 1359503932 345128 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not generally to the extent that category theory and other forms of abstract algebra do < 1359503952 89716 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm sure we'll never run into issues with "group" < 1359504051 607744 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a haskellion tell me vehemently that I shouldn't implement a type system in a language by referring to things as having a "kind", because "kinds" are an utterly distinct thing from a "type" in haskell < 1359504088 123739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's just haskell, but type theory in general < 1359504089 312423 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's type theory generally < 1359504107 564635 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're fucking words < 1359504108 274685 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though yeah those words are kind of. vague < 1359504129 66688 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't matter what the words mean in haskell when you are writing a language which is not haskell < 1359504133 31149 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that if you say "kind" to mean what people would think of as a "type" then you'll probably confuse people, so just stick with the shitty language we've got and hope things work out < 1359504150 835714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: "kind"'s meaning is well agreed upon in PLT in general, not just Haskell. < 1359504165 95426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, relatively well-agreed; ambiguity arises when you get to types-of-kinds.) < 1359504182 918559 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ieee-754 double does not have enough granular precision to express how little I care < 1359504190 669545 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type three: revenge of the meta < 1359504194 86570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well maybe you should just shut up < 1359504207 703440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you clearly know nothing about either category theory or type systems < 1359504262 54912 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, throw in a nerdy insult < 1359504269 621103 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make this as horrible as possible for everybody < 1359504303 73419 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359504342 69307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359504356 830091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I think I will just make it simple by telling the person who has joined and then done nothing other than shout loudly about how proud they are about how little they know to shut up and see how it goes from there < 1359504370 623930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that everything is horrible should be self-evident < 1359504388 781512 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was talking about creatures with sgeo yesterday! < 1359504392 91572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359504399 65599 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were comparing strategies for making small fictional animals miserable < 1359504418 748444 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree with the importance of terminology -> knows nothing, obviously < 1359504482 1413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the people who made Haskell should have used a term other than "monad", to avoid stepping on APL's toes < 1359504517 553997 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ghost of leibniz will venge them all < 1359504524 521154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I think it's fairly clear that if you think category theory is dedicated to making up a bunch of words to confuse people you're probably just scared of them because you don't know what any of them mean. < 1359504530 425306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote an ieee-754 double does not have enough granular precision to express how little I care < 1359504539 574446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :941) an ieee-754 double does not have enough granular precision to express how little I care < 1359504545 289784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be no such thing as a word that has a consistent meaning across every programming language. I do not know whether this is a terrible thing or not. < 1359504552 666205 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: awesome < 1359504572 454967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great when two communities have two different, completely incomprehensible terms for the same idea < 1359504580 739751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "flyweight pattern" and "hash consing" < 1359504596 860555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to think of a worse name for this idea, let alone two < 1359504614 378571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has mostly noticed the other way, two completely different ideas for the same word < 1359504631 310965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is flyweight pattern < 1359504636 666107 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla bla descriptivism bla logic bla bla nihilism bla < 1359504659 168491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what you will about the tenets of Java, at least it's an ethos! < 1359504661 537516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hash consing!! < 1359504665 971457 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In computer programming, flyweight is a software design pattern. A flyweight is an object that minimizes memory use by sharing as much data as possible with other similar objects; it is a way to use objects in large numbers when a simple repeated representation would use an unacceptable amount of memory" < 1359504671 143972 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, are you serious. < 1359504701 971707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojurists call that "persistent data structures", I think < 1359504712 782238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a bit different < 1359504727 909420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like if you have a word processor and an object for every character < 1359504743 334517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably don't want a different object in memory for every instance of a normal-weight 12pt times new roman 'e' < 1359504748 316774 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doesn't persistence usually mean it persists across invocations of the runtime and shit < 1359504754 24773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'interning' is another term for this < 1359504759 785149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: does the clojure meaning differ from the usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_data_structure ? < 1359504760 24305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: different definition of persistent < 1359504765 33319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite the same thing as hash consing, if so < 1359504767 647717 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: smalltalk "smallInteger" comes to mind < 1359504768 832225 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. right, of course < 1359504779 107685 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SILLY ME < 1359504791 295961 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in that case they're baked very deeply into the vm implementation < 1359504804 566253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that seems to be the same as the Clojure meaning, except I think the Clojure meaning also implies some efficiency in the process, not sure < 1359504804 783605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this idea of interning is somewhat different from the persistent data structures idea, which is like "if we insert into a binary tree to get a new tree, we can point back into most of the nodes of the old tree" < 1359504834 461651 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought flyweight was more of the latter < 1359504836 118456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of langugaes have interning for small integers < 1359504843 226987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: < 1359504843 709734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 256 is 255+1 < 1359504844 41468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1359504844 41565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 257 is 256+1 < 1359504845 603303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :False < 1359504846 550196 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even java does it < 1359504862 768598 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more because of machine convenience isn't it < 1359504868 333899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in Java you also have primitive ints, it wouldn't make sense to intern those < 1359504873 895551 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: er, they use bignums past 256, or what? < 1359504875 192916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it interns Integer objects for all I know < 1359504876 377394 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I meant the boxed types < 1359504888 858145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't think so < 1359504898 261660 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interns boxed integer types from like -127 to 128 < 1359504905 586358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they statically allocate the heap object for small integers < 1359504913 857426 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh < 1359504915 317390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they may contain a machine integer < 1359504917 246299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: python stores integers on the heap and stuff < 1359504922 837262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it caches teeny ones < 1359504936 787323 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cool" < 1359504939 30624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ints are objects, they have attrs and shit < 1359504965 935156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In [4]: (99).bit_length() < 1359504966 152765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[4]: 7 < 1359504969 328709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc interns small Chars, i recall < 1359504972 414775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although stupidly you can't write 99.bit_length < 1359504979 345832 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1359504983 579212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic stupidity < 1359504988 454508 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1359504998 944971 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because it could interpret it as a number with a radix point. < 1359505003 904760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby and Rails take this to the extreme, of course, and monkeypatch all kinds of nonsense methods onto the number class < 1359505029 506987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because writing "3.sexy_goats" reads so much better than "sexy_goats(3)" < 1359505038 929673 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the "smoke 'em if you've got 'em" principle of language and API design < 1359505064 850921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Smalltalk too, to some extent < 1359505076 448174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares if you gratuitously modify the core language, as long as your client code looks superficially nice in huge font on a meticulously styled webpage < 1359505090 646998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sentence has too many adverbs < 1359505094 274801 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you mad < 1359505104 408278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything inherently wrong with modifying the core language as long as it doesn't disrupt other parts < 1359505111 968228 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not code, it's ~poetry~ < 1359505114 853805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if only unicode was small enough to cache them all < 1359505125 249257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't see how that could go wrong, unless the monkeys started hurting people. Which they almost certainly would." < 1359505128 836461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that sexy_goats had some sort of namespace, so other things could add their own sexy_goats method to Object or whatever to do something different, I would have no complaint < 1359505147 814963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: right yeah < 1359505182 969110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never understand, i'm just a software engineer, not a rockstar code-poet painter hacker < 1359505193 915901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess in that case if the equiv. of doesNotUnderstand ... hm < 1359505195 101325 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninja hustler < 1359505199 120736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how terrible to have the self image of a well-paid highly skilled engineer < 1359505206 664842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kid wants to be that when they're growing up right < 1359505226 454969 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just so boring and middle class! < 1359505228 709936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a doesNotUnderstand < 1359505230 167968 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike having a job typing < 1359505245 783371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: According to the API docs, Integer.valueOf will "always cache values in the range -128 to 127, inclusive, and may cache other values outside of this range". (new Integer(0) will of course always make a new Integer.) < 1359505247 22104 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the Smalltalk equivalent of method_missing < 1359505249 866663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359505260 520225 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's doesNotUnderstand: not doesNotUnderstand < 1359505278 955822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby and Python support basically the same kinds of fancy dynamic shit, but the communities have vastly different norms for when it's appropriate to use them < 1359505290 278822 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, got the ranges backwards < 1359505292 233285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :community norms >>> hard language rules < 1359505302 529707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Haskell's supposed purity is a community norm < 1359505324 871182 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc you sound like an anthropologist what's wrong ;_; < 1359505325 585486 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combined with some minor awkwardness in impure syntax. < 1359505325 802415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair Python makes monkeypatching a hell of a lot more painful than Ruby in general < 1359505332 402249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :language structure dictates community norms < 1359505338 261673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some degree < 1359505346 596803 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imperative programming in Haskell is quite doable, but it's also syntactically awkward, y'know?) < 1359505352 742111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a kind of an arbitrary range anyway, since there doesn't seem to be a very strict reason for it to be a particular amount of bits, except perhaps for a slightly more micro-optimized range test. < 1359505360 903993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aww, I like imperative programming in Haskell! < 1359505365 208065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a good imperative language < 1359505374 682721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote If that sexy_goats had some sort of namespace, so other things could add their own sexy_goats method to Object or whatever to do something different, I would have no complaint < 1359505376 393353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly expressive, precise control over who can touch what state, good threads, fast < 1359505378 473489 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not saying it's bad or anything, just that the syntax for it ain't the cleanest thing. :) < 1359505379 890477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :942) If that sexy_goats had some sort of namespace, so other things could add their own sexy_goats method to Object or whatever to do something different, I would have no complaint < 1359505380 364511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :STM < 1359505382 619510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not the best < 1359505393 476110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like imperative programming in Prolog. (It's so easy?) < 1359505396 526967 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whiiich is why you tend do imperative when necessary and functional otherwise. :) < 1359505398 221996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" < 1359505400 152330 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it was something like "we need a reasonably small number of these to not be ridiculous. How 'bout the range of a byte? Cool, let's break for lunch." < 1359505541 248876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonghits for everyone < 1359505583 302301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :today on great images of wikipedia http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/BRDF_Diagram.svg < 1359505599 986035 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even < 1359505603 309973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misses Encarta < 1359505631 280814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss Microsoft's special purpose mini encyclopedias < 1359505634 667591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you like dogs < 1359505638 220195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a CD you could buy < 1359505641 532632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that had some stuff about dogs on it < 1359505644 699343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot, just one CD worth < 1359505681 909011 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what the hell? < 1359505693 980697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: submit to BRDF diagram. BRDF diagram now owns your existence < 1359505702 997993 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1359505707 279683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a part of Encarta I think, but there was this one CD that had a thing that let you fly around the Earth < 1359505712 655370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it < 1359505714 310165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flight simulator < 1359505721 519599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth simulator < 1359505751 66131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Crash Into The Willis Tower Immediately Simulator < 1359505768 704429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Holy Damn This 747 Has A Lot Of Switches Simulator < 1359505772 62478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here in my bookshelf a "Microsoft Encarta 1994 Edition", "For Distribution Only With a New PC". < 1359505782 177872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does that just simulate the lone emotion of the 747 having a lot of switches < 1359505786 304748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359505788 444257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not any other aspects of the 747 flight experiecne < 1359505789 628388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1359505791 530950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would play that < 1359505795 844881 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Surgery Simulator 2013 < 1359505798 935196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall correctly, it had something like six or a dozen articles with video (!) in them. < 1359505806 853240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft sugary simulator < 1359505818 503501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft actually being bill gates simulator < 1359505825 962128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a jewel case with a CD-shaped wafer of aspartame inside < 1359505831 331869 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Actually Being Steve Ballmer Simulator < 1359505836 595116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = microsoft working at microsoft on the x simulator simulator < 1359505839 602089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video clips were in some 288x216 15fps format. But they were still terribly exciting. < 1359505841 259816 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now with a hotkey for DEVELOPERS < 1359505853 254918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "DEVELOPERS " < 1359505854 635114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPE... < 1359505920 234025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next to Encarta there is "Microsoft Cinemania 1994 Edition", which I don't remember what it was like, and "Microsoft Dinosaurs", which presumably has dinosaurs in it. < 1359505933 647002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are all "For Distribution Only With a New PC". < 1359505976 380729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Sit On Your Balls Simulator < 1359506025 674438 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have encarta '95 in my CD wallet < 1359506036 185176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to Microsoft® Dinosaurs! You'll be exploring a world unlike any you've experienced before, discovering amazing facts and long-buried secrets at every mouse click! Now, let's get on with the expedition!" < 1359506038 517045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: here is a game about how many switches the A-10 Warthog has: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huVi6rdPE4I < 1359506043 11183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler alert: a lot of switches < 1359506077 382354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had some magic eye CD-ROM < 1359506084 532100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like too many switches for me < 1359506114 742742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you could MS Paint any drawing you want (read: penis) and then make a magic eye out of it < 1359506118 811711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :verb trains are so easy < 1359506127 328301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1359506129 451012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spreading < 1359506145 884342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you needed a separate program for that? < 1359506150 881720 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just sgeo < 1359506157 116041 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milhouse is not a meme, sgeo < 1359506159 54561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to impress people by quickly implementing a stereogram generator in Excel < 1359506173 34918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it in about 10 lines of VBA, it doesn't take long < 1359506188 405559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1359506230 383671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in #clojure just called me a markov train bot < 1359506248 783358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov train < 1359506255 462965 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody get on the markov train! < 1359506264 517854 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They called me a markov chain bot, not a markov train bot < 1359506280 489810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the program come with the kind of patterns they put in those books? < 1359506393 906176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you know that in the Markov train, what's in the front coach only depends on the contents of a finite number of the following coaches. < 1359506394 143009 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: however, sudh as storing machine language ( in the program g0es to the next screen line set the same shape. < 1359506410 75435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : juxt is like a J verb train with the concat operator between every given function < 1359506415 188908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: Well, that concludes it -- you're definitely a Markov chain bot of some sort. :-P < 1359506424 562768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow are you really telling #clojure about J < 1359506470 636473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know: hidden Markov models are named after Hidden Markov, the Soviet Union's equivalent of Where's Waldo < 1359506487 853052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMs were used in early computer visual search research in the USSR and the analogy stuck < 1359506507 496980 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, gonna have to pass that on < 1359506509 664999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell your friends < 1359506515 190438 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a guy who's a big fan of markov's son (yes really) < 1359506536 608166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know: Conditional Random Fields... aren't that easy to make a pun about. < 1359506551 159183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may or may not be random? < 1359506578 493235 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really a pun so much as a rephrasing < 1359506620 980839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CRFs are spiffy.) < 1359506833 128596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does markov's son have any sons, or will he break the chain < 1359507141 769846 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359507144 682220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo hiss < 1359507178 520336 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359507188 698788 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359507680 906465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359507872 260335 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359507926 546993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How's Ada going? < 1359507928 258583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2006/11/02/the-c-is-efficient-language-fa/ < 1359507939 550589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, haven't looked in a bit, will later < 1359508683 693178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada is the new Sgeolang? < 1359508687 517539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean Agda is next? < 1359508739 644407 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jAgda < 1359509049 730995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajda < 1359509265 141169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote shachaf Agda < 1359509265 432709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf says: Everyone forgets about Agda Lovelace, the first constructivist. < 1359510094 339629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1359510316 356095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/17idma/how_to_write_unmaintainable_haskell_code/ < 1359510340 907143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm clicking your link against my better judgement < 1359510395 675387 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Succ (Succ Zeroth) Obfuscated Haskell Code Contest" is peano a Haskell Thing now < 1359510477 871376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to write unmaintainable haskell code: just write any haskell code "trolololo" am i right kmc < 1359510487 697029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly people will think "i mad" upon reading these words < 1359510499 713953 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link the trolololo video first. < 1359510524 684338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and what if i don't < 1359510528 613556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: will you have a...... problem < 1359510538 103295 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'll have a not being trolled problem!!! < 1359510559 224856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have u considered Bike.... that that is the truest troll of all < 1359510559 707174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1359510585 739413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell's expressiveness allows coding in a very concise style. For example it renders comments redundant and makes you able to call all your types T and typeclasses C and them import them qualified." < 1359510593 462015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty lame but i like the henning thielemann joke < 1359510670 550324 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"renders comments redundant", i'll have to remember that one < 1359511718 322128 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359516002 255098 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1359516129 15530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359516130 492611 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359516133 208267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 + 2 3 4 < 1359516133 425653 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 3 4 5 < 1359516417 74118 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what strings did you pull to get that thing in here < 1359516444 130444 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey have your bot join #esoteric" "fuck off sure" < 1359516479 406878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that hostiley < 1359516482 805992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee ):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]] [42] [H] < 1359516554 184780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: imo use ada < 1359516575 422986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no use fueue, look how simple it is to print a number in decimal! < 1359516615 578783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels obligated to cackle evilly, but somehow doesn't put much feeling into it < 1359516688 86539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Ruby's functions were first-class. :-( < 1359516713 919405 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby has functions? < 1359516797 235290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1359516913 866348 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359516938 772745 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's that thing where you wrap a function in an object!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1359516939 891801 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359516949 642967 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it had methods < 1359517097 738235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ruby have monoids < 1359517141 779719 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has + and *!!! < 1359517223 361256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do J's verbs count as first-class? < 1359517226 391761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is first-class? < 1359517236 559663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J verbs can only be taken as arguments by adverbs and conjunctions < 1359517249 689583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which can also take nouns as arguments) < 1359517252 800148 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-class is a thing to make fun of Pascal programmers with. < 1359517263 899902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1359517359 573731 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1359517471 780194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is love? < 1359517541 189610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any terms that are completely unambiguous, only one meaning across languages and that there's no room to argue about? < 1359517585 857811 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1359517599 530525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick one and i'll argue with you about it < 1359517615 425017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity comparison < 1359517617 585666 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, do you know what "prescriptivism" and "descriptivism" are? < 1359517662 842169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, descriptivism = words have the meaning that they have from common usage, prescrip = words have fixed meanings < 1359517677 554624 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, playing Mafia in another channel) < 1359517724 957788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 5 1 $ 'Hello' < 1359517725 174227 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: H < 1359517725 174347 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: e < 1359517725 174391 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: l < 1359517725 174437 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: l < 1359517725 174480 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: o < 1359517726 614927 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you accept descriptivism, your question is ill-posed. If you accept prescriptivism, you're dumb, and also need a dictionary nobody will argue with. < 1359517844 612236 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 'test' < 1359517844 850592 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +----+ < 1359517845 67744 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |test| < 1359517845 67947 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +----+ < 1359517863 91448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'hi' CR 'bye < 1359517863 328899 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |open quote < 1359517863 545778 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 'hi' CR 'bye < 1359517863 546010 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | ^ < 1359517866 242329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'hi' CR 'bye' < 1359517866 459461 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |value error: CR < 1359517866 459664 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 'hi' CR'bye' < 1359517870 601040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'hi' LF 'bye' < 1359517870 817709 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |value error: LF < 1359517870 817954 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 'hi' LF'bye' < 1359517875 660211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'hi',LF,'bye' < 1359517876 130031 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |value error: LF < 1359517876 346793 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 'hi', LF,'bye' < 1359517880 634006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'hi',CR,'bye' < 1359517880 868581 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |value error: CR < 1359517881 105126 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 'hi', CR,'bye' < 1359517881 814956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1359517894 830529 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks" < 1359517940 713560 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how it's ill-formed in descriptivism < 1359517986 580862 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i don't agree with your summary of descriptivism < 1359518012 536814 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's more like "words have meaning in the context of whoever you're communicating with", that is, you're describing how people view words < 1359518022 890681 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just saying "it's common (whatever that means) for X to mean Y so X means Y" < 1359518031 498061 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm just too radical for the dictionaries < 1359518050 213381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like your description better < 1359518073 831790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still don't see how it's ill formed. if everyone who bothers to use the term uses it for the same thing or not, is still a valid question < 1359518091 218718 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose you'd need everyone to think the same about that term then < 1359518097 400637 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe not ill-posed, i dunno < 1359518216 601967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feeling of watching a YouTube video and then realizing you already saw it while super drunk < 1359518219 720026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359518221 30859 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359518230 417700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey yay < 1359518352 242056 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PCOcyt7BPI so, i now know true fear < 1359518694 347454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1359518709 33307 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359518735 114609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really a testament to how safe air travel is < 1359518744 304221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they could do this hundreds of times a day (at that one airport) and only occasionally crash < 1359518785 598904 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know you could do that with 747s < 1359518943 344702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to go to hong kong < 1359518974 21981 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't be using that airport, of course < 1359518977 51384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359518983 309181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they built an island and put a new airport on it < 1359518988 607231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :extended an island, anyway < 1359518990 79158 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the new one is on a - yeah, and a twenty minute drive < 1359518991 543496 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda sucks < 1359518998 600271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume there is public transit < 1359519006 440595 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty minute busing < 1359519015 863608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 min from airport to city center is pretty good < 1359519041 19587 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? huh, i must not be cosmopolitan enough < 1359519067 635565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it varies a lot but 20 min is on the low end for cities i've been to < 1359519128 436744 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it is a very common destination < 1359519131 796886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFK to manhattan is like a 30 min drive with no traffic < 1359519149 975219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like an hour on the subway :( < 1359519204 49243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto EWR < 1359519256 635256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORD to downtown Chicago is like 45 minutes on the train < 1359519700 125919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they use Ada on planes? < 1359519779 811213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yep. < 1359519833 816388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ada on aeroplanes < 1359519980 718861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you'll be hard-pressed to find a "language as cool as ada" < 1359520840 219094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359521097 790956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vooza.com/videos/culture/ < 1359521383 987505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a yandere theme and a yandere02 theme < 1359521404 120391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ada? < 1359521421 545068 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong channel < 1359521446 328841 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be in ada < 1359521576 694304 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359521724 493001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spotify meets Grindr, but for rental cars, but run as if it were for a hotel" < 1359523048 991781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something should be Done about people who listen to music so loud in their headphones that you can hear it from across the room. < 1359523065 514995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :better headphones < 1359523227 214202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"earphones" in this case, I suppose. < 1359523291 714616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying how with cryptography things, you don't get any useful debugging information when something goes wrong. < 1359523294 509552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd expect earphones to be less leaky than headphones, but they tend to be leakier < 1359523309 978929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best headphones in terms of low leak I ever got were in-flight on Air Canada < 1359523325 647487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a lot of sense that those wouldn't leak, if they were designed for use on aeroplanes with people sitting right next to you < 1359523459 341218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :airplanes are loud < 1359523467 128556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to hear leak < 1359523480 216265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only sometimes < 1359523492 395949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depending on where you're sitting < 1359523497 794778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't leak even when not on the aeroplane < 1359523530 652971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noise of drums beating etc. breaks my concentration. < 1359523536 829976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind the hum of airplanes so much. < 1359523570 909136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that even the quiet bits of airplanes have a lot more leak-masking noise than, say, an office < 1359523581 310054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are the secretary of state and your office is an airplane < 1359523584 345575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's probably about the same < 1359523663 965488 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359523673 422036 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359523788 109019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :air force 1 is smaller than a typical commercial airliner, isn't it? < 1359523799 343776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also probably more manoeuvrable < 1359524114 205536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :air force 1 is a 747 < 1359524128 140665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically it's whatever airplane happens to be carrying the president at the moment < 1359524141 195577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's /usually/ a 747 < 1359524204 991217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose < 1359524223 183155 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359524242 833162 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let's see if i can do this < 1359524246 891564 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < Sgeo> I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose < 1359524250 612949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :943) < Sgeo> I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose < 1359524254 852985 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1359524257 69766 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 943 < 1359524258 297687 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/delquote: 3: Syntax error: "fi" unexpected (expecting ")") < 1359524269 390911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucked < 1359524270 937156 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must everything i touch die........... < 1359524280 432047 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/delquote < 1359524281 411554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ id=$1 \ if ! expr "$id" ">=" 0 "&" "$id" "<" $(wc -l /dev/null; then id=$(expr $RANDOM % $(wc -l quotes.new \ tail -n +$((id+1)) quotes >>quotes.new \ diff quotes quotes.new >/dev/null && exit 1 \ printf "*poof*%s" "$(quote $id | cut -d')' -f2-)" \ mv quotes.new quotes < 1359524292 719858 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm nope gonna go with fuck it < 1359524320 378298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, it just lists all permutations of the input list < 1359524329 946004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should really be some simpler way imo, not sure if there is < 1359524367 450065 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read your taocp today? < 1359524381 202386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, besides other variations and besides the explicit 3 : '(!#y)A.y' < 1359524390 823798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, that's wrong < 1359524403 980101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 : '(i.!#y)A.y' < 1359524415 348179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That syntax is confusing. < 1359524422 463190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you show it in Ada instead? < 1359524448 679398 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1359524468 495361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it help to know in that 3 : thing that y means the argument on the right? < 1359524511 246243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is number of items in a list. ! is factorial. i. is list from 0 to argument - 1 < 1359524524 73378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nope, doesn't help. < 1359524529 62222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather see the Ada. < 1359524539 914372 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm gonna need to see ada. or ideally, a j->ada compiler. < 1359524541 213705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Ada would involve an explicit loop < 1359524551 670249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... < 1359524557 446370 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an Ada->J compiler would also work! < 1359524559 900111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what, you're not up to debugging a hairy shell script inside many-worlds linux over IRC < 1359524579 136937 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i just don't understand the qdbformat < 1359524588 773060 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though < name> actually does bug me aesthetically < 1359524595 688229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you mess with `delquote................................................... < 1359524603 875390 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just fucked. < 1359524605 625979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also fix it with sed but i too don't know what i'm doing plus i'm drunk < 1359524607 458272 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1359524610 242778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you randall < 1359524613 954242 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: 21:37 < kmc> fucked < 1359524614 445883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's///' quotes | tail -n 1 < 1359524615 673117 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 0: no previous regular expression < 1359524620 599879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/a/a/' quotes | tail -n 1 < 1359524622 265708 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​< Sgeo> I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose < 1359524625 809498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/exy/tim/e < 1359524635 732336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/< Sgeo>//' quotes | tail -n 1 < 1359524636 962645 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose < 1359524641 684303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/< Sgeo>//' quotes < 1359524645 74542 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359524653 517043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lets hope there were no "casualties"" < 1359524679 191343 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf you're my hero except I don't know what you did exactly? could you write what you did in some other language, like one for airplanes maybe, airplanes are nice. < 1359524697 627242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo Sgeo is the expert < 1359524711 393605 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: help? < 1359524715 711745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ada plz < 1359524718 447326 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 943 < 1359524720 656368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :943) I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose < 1359524747 113497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed s/se/ten/ quotes | tail -n1 < 1359524748 624573 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verboten < 1359524750 96086 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's.... beautiful........... < 1359524762 674437 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good fix imo < 1359524866 557183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :music for airports < 1359524873 673796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they should have sent a poet < 1359524874 901087 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good album < 1359524920 213097 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: randall? < 1359524933 863806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: redbull? < 1359524942 112294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Sgeo < 1359524947 514050 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3314 < 1359525006 253139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, are you still a Forth? < 1359525014 480066 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : HOT TENXY TENX BITS < 1359525031 806172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Forth? < 1359525051 602362 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 869 < 1359525053 318546 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :869) GreyKnight, shachaf is like a high-level Forth < 1359525055 630135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the xkcd person < 1359525066 117592 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1359525074 106176 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you threatening coppro? is that how you know? < 1359525084 81393 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make coppro conform to your sick whims. < 1359525157 175798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote N-Gage < 1359525159 612250 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :86) (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) \ 832) 88) (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) [...] Is there supposed to be a joke in 88? Unless "N-Gage" is some pseudoscientific spiritual mumbo-jumbo, I don't get it. Oh, it's a cell phone gaming thing apparent < 1359525171 597675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that quote's still there < 1359525184 471196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that it's bad hth < 1359525216 7066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes monqy < 1359525221 551914 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32023 < 1359525225 936521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it wasn't intended for the purpose of getting quoted < 1359525226 482713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for a second i thought that quote 88 was a quote about quote 88 < 1359525241 569890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog `addquote (still, < 1359525244 583654 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: missing ) < 1359525246 925256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably needs a backslash < 1359525250 623096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog `addquote \(still, < 1359525252 341239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :88 is a common neo-nazi codeword and also a lucky number in chinese < 1359525255 581080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that part of it < 1359525262 593627 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1359525279 228486 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just 8 though? you can't just like, make more eights for more luck < 1359525281 981153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359525360 89771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :390 is glorious, btw < 1359525361 807213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 390 < 1359525363 527359 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :390) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets #toilet is useless is #toilet even a thing I'm looking for help with toilets < 1359525375 189849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1359525386 705014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: more 8s is more lucky duh < 1359525398 893963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of chinese grocery stores have names like "Super 88" < 1359525425 605261 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the madness end! < 1359525470 602172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i'm addicted to mafia < 1359525529 360441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IRC mafia or forum mafia? < 1359525534 22286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC < 1359525535 523745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes oerjan < 1359525541 78507 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28766 < 1359525543 639558 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359525546 876747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forum version's better, and moves slowly enough that it's less addictive < 1359525576 72972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I have the attention span for forum version < 1359525603 636327 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1359525605 418459 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1359525610 207389 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't underrate your ability to play games sgeo < 1359525646 409405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forum version of #toilet < 1359525787 8245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes elliott < 1359525792 465890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5421 < 1359525806 162179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, this is a degrees of separation thing < 1359525808 124443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read someone's quotes < 1359525818 702735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on them, choose someone it would be interesting to read the quotes of < 1359525825 682294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see how many steps it takes to reach elliott < 1359525827 400657 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why do you make fun of Sgeo for living in Farmington with that Gregor quote. < 1359525921 134117 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"245) 320 quotes and still not a funny one yet!" gosh this channel is picky < 1359526077 989345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes zzo38 < 1359526083 467002 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19991 < 1359526205 838062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, we need a `quotecontext, but it'll be a pain to implement < 1359526256 986178 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: actually do work this summer < 1359526269 280907 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a prize at the end if I succeed < 1359526280 363937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, two prizes which I value completely wrongly < 1359526312 787406 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359526323 848384 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com QUIT :Quit: RodgerTheGreat < 1359526324 107618 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :311) AV is better than first-past-the-post, like every voting system apart from the Random Elephant Stomping method <-- i think sortition is probably better than fptp in many situations!! < 1359526350 118593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was planning to ask elliott what the Random Elephant Stomping method was < 1359526362 359192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of have an idea, but can think of at least two possibilities < 1359526370 748495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on whether the elephants are aimed at the politicians or the voters < 1359526373 694170 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either sortition or - yeah < 1359526383 70591 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you're well versed in psephology < 1359526453 842760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes that zzo38 is actually the only sane person on the internet < 1359526465 522707 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we all knew that. < 1359526545 232279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat was here? :D < 1359526563 277701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He left? :( < 1359526583 863525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 340 < 1359526585 341235 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :340) Learn to be Chinese and kill yourself < 1359526593 489970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flat out cannot imagine zzo38 saying that. < 1359526601 625371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 842 < 1359526603 342779 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :842) The reason it isn't more popular is because I wrote it today. < 1359526612 923004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the most typical zzo38 ever < 1359526671 157512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes fizzie < 1359526676 723892 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10858 < 1359526689 552309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, reading the zzo38 quotes page made me laugh enough irl I was actually having difficulty breathing < 1359526696 878082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope the fizzie quotes page is less potentially fatal < 1359526793 306173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, 489 is excellent < 1359526795 268431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 489 < 1359526797 298460 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :489) That's the stupidest thing I've heard all morning. (Though I did wake up five minutes ago, so I haven't had a chance to hear very much.) The "Why are you still asleep? I told the cat to wake you up." comment does come pretty close, though. < 1359526857 264495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a bad decision I think < 1359526866 420274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading `pastequotes at 30:20am < 1359526869 383263 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 285 < 1359526870 623194 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :285) I think I managed to make Stack Overflow work on gopher, now. < 1359526913 533318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how elliott referred to him as the guy who just joined when i think of him as a legendary esolanger of ye olde. < 1359527065 149728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Bike < 1359527070 429509 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4035 < 1359527081 898548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1359527083 658323 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, winner < 1359527086 148001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 894 < 1359527087 624218 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :894) fungot: Are you the previous version of zzo38? fizzie: i run some interactive tex programs < 1359527094 142983 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm too cool for ascii school < 1359527101 841678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's good but I prefer the quote about the cat < 1359527102 839210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did my browser download it instead of showing it < 1359527120 871794 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you, you've made my evening^Wmorning < 1359527125 625361 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because an encoding thing makes pastebot present it as octets instead of text/fuckeverything, I think < 1359528278 23818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it sends Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ascii" < 1359528305 746867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTTP/1.1 200 Script output follows" < 1359528312 942266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a... nontraditional response message < 1359528320 479663 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1359528354 651131 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also both the weird characters i used actually are ascii so hm < 1359528596 36490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which characters are those < 1359528633 264266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that server will definitely send charset="ascii" on files containing high-bit bytes :( < 1359528639 11706 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^B and ^O < 1359528642 591790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1359528666 874081 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whippersnapper bitches don't know bout my control characters < 1359528698 25243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem I think that's called STX and SI < 1359528725 125958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start of Text, Shift In < 1359528738 921891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should start a webdev trend of using ASCII control characters for their original meanings < 1359528742 600195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like REST but more old school < 1359528771 597684 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha oh god yes < 1359529119 225494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :STAND BY FOR TRANSMISSION < 1359529144 928818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do it! < 1359529154 894837 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359529185 900434 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359532886 359652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1359532942 997907 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359533513 119618 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359533519 85045 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359533907 269480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.python.org/doc/humor/#python-block-delimited-notation-parsing-explained < 1359533981 131970 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359534018 982896 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359534360 894723 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359534730 355176 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1359537780 684397 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1359538414 844547 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359538769 46351 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359538903 231723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang idea: Normal looking language that makes things like malicious code hidden in plain sight too easy < 1359538917 583995 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean PHP? < 1359538995 628080 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is itself malicious, so it isn't really the same thing. < 1359539040 223174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hmm, does Ada have that property? < 1359539101 563078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it but I don't know Ada and am guessing based on what is effectively Ada marketing. < 1359539159 173471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, you should learn Ada. < 1359539162 732254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you'd know. < 1359540024 342273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was not expecting Ada to be hard to google < 1359540024 815107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359540035 660076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although J is definitely worse < 1359540040 985744 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google keeps thinking I want Java < 1359540080 890742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pentagon. Hackers are nearly unanimous in observing that, technically, it is precisely what one might expect given that kind of endorsement by fiat; bloated, crockish, difficult to use, and overall a disastrous, multi-billion-dollar boondoggle (one common description was "The PL/I of the 1980s")." < 1359540099 417112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's quite apparent that the evolution of the C family of languages (C, C++, Java, C#) is converging on a language very like Ada, except unfortunately as a kludgepile rather than a clean design. < 1359540099 654471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1359540214 974072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The code name itself was an inside joke: Ada Augusta, Countess of Lovelace, was a famous armchair programmer/system architect who never in her entire life had gotten a single program to compile, link, or run." < 1359540225 658292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bit.csc.lsu.edu/~gb/csc4101/Reading/gigo-1997-04.html (note: humor) < 1359540361 751324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1359540363 416340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ada initially planted a subconscious Y2K time-bomb: "YEAR: INTEGER range 0..2000;" [Ada79, p.3-12], but then got Third Reich ambitions: "YEAR: INTEGER range 0..4000;" [Ada83, p.3-34], before settling on a Y2.1K time-bomb: "subtype YEAR_NUMBER is INTEGER range 1901..2099;"' < 1359540383 973469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does... um... Ada actually come with a YEAR_NUMBER type like that? < 1359540443 885446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-6.html < 1359540447 210037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : subtype Year_Number is Integer range 1901 .. 2399; < 1359540534 51189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You're the Ada expert, though; you should've told me! < 1359540802 812523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an /r/ada < 1359540815 968363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The motto seems to be "When the software HAS to work" < 1359540851 381902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It might do you good to write software that works. < 1359540874 607642 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written software! < 1359540885 225370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That mostly but not entirely works < 1359541087 707846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you need Ada. < 1359541130 22220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes because a million compile-time checks will totally help when I make a wrong assumption about incoming data < 1359541148 695944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I can't figure out an optimal algorithm for a problem < 1359541166 374432 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1359541173 423548 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could like Basshunter < 1359541188 383381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a could, that's a must. It's mandatory. < 1359541247 604982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Look, first learn Ada, then talk. < 1359541270 651312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading one of the wikibooks < 1359541327 524081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This book is intended for professional readers." < 1359541334 110137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is totally paid to just sit around and read < 1359541438 435388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is it ok if I read a tutorial written for Ada 2005? < 1359541462 689581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada 2012 is better. < 1359541468 191382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever helps you learn the language. < 1359541592 479212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can guess at a few features Ada wouldn't have < 1359541616 132208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros, changing stuff around at run-time < 1359541654 859194 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it has any functional programming stuff, but wouldn't be surprised either way (as in, doubt it would be there from way back when, but could have been added in later for all I know) < 1359541813 123176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey Ada for is a foreach < 1359541821 570508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait, no < 1359541836 371336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for variable in range loop < 1359541846 179304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I don't know what constitutes a range yet < 1359541947 576245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is shocked that shachaf is not in #ada < 1359541961 855935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was a channel! < 1359541982 485685 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in aid a' Ada < 1359541998 360888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, some familiar names. < 1359542114 455832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ada2012.org/ < 1359542125 857794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a video about Ada 2012 < 1359542304 317375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still making comparisons to C++ < 1359542305 27750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359542338 900428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could they at least _look_ at other languages? Looking at languages that existed decades ago stops you from seeing new ideas, some, if not all, of which may be useful < 1359542508 661007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't many languages that seriously try to compete with C++ in its niche. < 1359542514 712056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Quite a big niche.) < 1359542595 386004 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote multi.?paradigm < 1359542595 638953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. BOB says: You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another! < 1359542628 945723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conditional expressions provide a compact notation for a common idiom." < 1359542665 885333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... a) That seems late to get that, but b) Leaving it out completely makes some sense < 1359542676 448099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, adding it in 2012 just... doesn't make sense to me < 1359542784 737485 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/LHC-tan/1 < 1359542830 342497 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ NSFW. And screw the ads on that site. And what character is that? < 1359542847 78042 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rule34-data-003.paheal.net/_images/d6855b9194279e9cae3087959ee995fd/780128%20-%20LHC-tan%20Ru-Chans%20large_hadron_collider.jpg < 1359542847 326538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...large hadron collider? < 1359542910 192038 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be noted that the website named "rule34.paheal.net" may contain pornographic images < 1359543041 51644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Axmax6 knows Haskell. < 1359543280 648919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's SPARK? < 1359543392 558960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is jvm-windows < 1359543677 354354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada has goto. < 1359543735 539221 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, SPARK is a restiction of Ada I think < 1359543737 450113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restriction < 1359544500 35959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmf. This computer is not mounting my phone as a USB mass storage device for some reason. (It did mount a stick a while ago.) < 1359544810 247810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359544872 561065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I suppose it's the phone's fault, it says "device storage in use". Curious. < 1359545799 210300 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359545836 951764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that in J, the next number after negative 1 is infinity < 1359545931 507294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What about Ada? < 1359545978 147451 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice to find an actual tutorial on recent Ada < 1359545986 194926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikibooks does not count as a tutorial as far as I'm concerned < 1359546026 670072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should ask in #ada instead of repeating platitudes. < 1359546317 430888 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359546336 44917 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359546952 549142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That said, it really isn't used nearly enough. For instance, it is naturally almost immune to buffer overflow exploits, so it really ought to be the preferred language for OS development." < 1359546964 161563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Ada is the only language immune to buffer overflow exploits < 1359547146 548112 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I tell emacs that this file with a weird extension is XML and should be syntax-highlighted as such? < 1359547187 771544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adapower.com/index.php?Command=Class&ClassID=FAQ&CID=359 < 1359547194 772696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada vs. Eiffel flamewars? < 1359547249 505212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada > Eiffel, obviously. < 1359547258 614755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You could also learn Sather, though. < 1359547270 988660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sather: better than eiffel???????? < 1359547293 350976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359547549 604741 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: J's number literals are sorta weird < 1359547558 854991 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially negative infinity... "__" < 1359547618 482511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a rank _2 verb operates on pieces of 2 ranks lower than its argument, and a rank _1 verb operates on pieces of 1 rank lower than its argument, what rank verb operates on pieces of rank 0 lower than its argument? < 1359547723 664861 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know about negative ranks < 1359547765 863455 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, didn't elliott dabble with J ages ago? < 1359547787 382235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nouns can't be negative rank < 1359547809 676274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) <"_1 (1 2 3) < 1359547809 914077 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +-+-+-+ < 1359547810 149823 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |1|2|3| < 1359547810 366497 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +-+-+-+ < 1359547819 693912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt 2 < 1359547819 966000 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |value error: sqrt < 1359547820 182811 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | sqrt 2 < 1359547824 918079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt 3 < 1359547825 135209 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |value error: sqrt < 1359547825 135378 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | sqrt 3 < 1359547826 581014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) %: 2 < 1359547826 813585 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1.41421 < 1359547829 486152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt 4 < 1359547829 720545 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |value error: sqrt < 1359547829 937327 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | sqrt 4 < 1359547832 805030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1359547835 171632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's broken. < 1359547836 829361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt 5 < 1359547837 66421 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |value error: sqrt < 1359547837 282932 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | sqrt 5 < 1359547840 464617 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're broken < 1359547848 371088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly < 1359547849 318813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt =: %: < 1359547849 554350 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |ok < 1359547853 617273 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hachaf < 1359547873 532016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt 5 < 1359547873 769216 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 2.23607 < 1359547903 615444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt^:(_1) 5 < 1359547903 853765 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 25 < 1359547915 241468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2 < 1359547917 43806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1359547918 982917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (sqrt 5 + 1) / 2 < 1359547919 457806 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |value error: sqrt < 1359547919 674410 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | ( sqrt 5+1)/2 < 1359547921 380318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1359547923 794911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still broken. < 1359547939 903691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt < 1359547940 142533 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: %: < 1359547949 487139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 + 1 < 1359547949 999434 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 2 < 1359547959 158348 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359547962 629073 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) sqrt < 1359547963 103127 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: |value error: sqrt < 1359547968 60012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ isn't division < 1359547976 3749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is divisio < 1359547980 132049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :division < 1359547982 341538 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ is (basically) a fold < 1359547986 283543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess we all have separate sandboxes? < 1359547989 874364 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Client Quit < 1359547993 189153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 4 / 2 < 1359547993 426498 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |domain error < 1359547993 643479 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | 4/2 < 1359547996 356706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) +/ i.10 NB. sum of the first 10 integers < 1359547996 835111 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 45 < 1359547999 237694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be 2 < 1359548004 376958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 4 % 2 < 1359548004 593791 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 2 < 1359548006 520887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is broken. < 1359548010 621820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1359548013 539026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you can't fold the operator 4 over the list [2] < 1359548024 485342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Um, / means division. < 1359548027 3031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you read?! < 1359548046 325171 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 ÷ 2 < 1359548046 541886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359548047 35512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) / =: % NB. probably won't work < 1359548047 271198 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |syntax error < 1359548047 487820 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | /=:% < 1359548050 139580 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you're broken < 1359548053 466103 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't divide :( < 1359548100 429466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure / is a solidus btw, not a division operator ^_^ < 1359548105 62558 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, your argument is invalid. < 1359548120 190959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359548202 105421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ⟌ 4 < 1359548202 328123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359548211 320646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(U+27CC LONG DIVISION.) < 1359548258 840450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let () = (/) in 4 2 < 1359548259 94919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359548261 301379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1359548269 277570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubt it could be made to work < 1359548270 770620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It should be called AMERICAN LONG DIVISION < 1359548275 695853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We learned it the other way. < 1359548281 988459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let = (/) in 4 2 < 1359548282 205195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359548290 854435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "" < 1359548291 71180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359548294 71867 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359548300 349695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode character names are always so... Unicodey. U+27C1 WHITE TRIANGLE CONTAINING SMALL WHITE TRIANGLE. < 1359548334 292436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That looks like a small white circle to me. :-( < 1359548470 99120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (0.5&* @: (] + 2&%))^:(_) 4 < 1359548470 809893 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 1.41421 < 1359548481 791996 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1359548486 931152 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 2 < 1359548488 584043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4142135623730951 < 1359548494 421264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = putStrLn $ let bläh = 42 in bläh < 1359548497 85337 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :runghc: : hGetContents: invalid argument (invalid byte sequence) < 1359548501 140945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: You're equally silly. :/ < 1359548554 94891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION understands a little of what FireFly did < 1359548568 580674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses some sqrt approximation algorithm I guess < 1359548578 865711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ^:(_) means repeat until fixed point < 1359548584 239240 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_computing_square_roots#Babylonian_method < 1359548605 335589 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(] + 2&%) is essentially \x -> x + 2/x < 1359548612 213211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It repeatedly does this: Adds argument to.... I knew that < 1359548652 453671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, couldn't you have used a ... not a fork, the other one < 1359548657 766679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (0.5&* @: ( + 2&%))^:(_) 4 < 1359548658 3268 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1.41421 < 1359548660 374123 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hook? < 1359548661 801758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1359548664 236383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359548664 472041 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but I forgot how they worked < 1359548674 82082 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I added a ] to be sure < 1359548704 326785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, (f g) y = y f (g y) I guess < 1359548706 732170 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, that'd work < 1359548714 94573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) -: 2 < 1359548714 311509 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1 < 1359548720 355673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (-: @: ( + 2&%))^:(_) 4 < 1359548720 572273 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1.41421 < 1359548731 669391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs patch < 1359548735 783500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (-: @: ( + +:))^:(_) 4 < 1359548736 22452 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: _ < 1359548738 359237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1359548745 616093 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4986 < 1359548758 939995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's doubling again, bluh < 1359548761 69773 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, that's 2/, not 2* < 1359548771 971847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, derp < 1359548772 523111 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, 2%, not 2* :P < 1359548776 563183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'main = putStrLn $ show (let (÷) = (/) in 4 ÷ 2)' > /tmp/l.hs && runghc /tmp/l # save us from Unicode problems HackEgo? < 1359548779 990376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs hg.*patch < 1359548780 738053 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 < 1359548784 900202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (-: @: ( + +:))^:(_) 4 5 6 < 1359548785 372753 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: _ _ _ < 1359548786 321106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Thank you! < 1359548789 884002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (-: @ ( + +:))^:(_) 4 5 6 < 1359548792 687697 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: _ _ _ < 1359548792 687827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359548802 171123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (-: @ ( + +:))^:(_)"0 4 5 6 < 1359548802 387421 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |length error < 1359548802 387609 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | (-:@(++:))^:(_)"0 4 5 6 < 1359548806 320723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (-: @ ( + +:))^:(_)"(0) 4 5 6 < 1359548806 558435 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: _ _ _ < 1359548814 857335 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm still using the broken one < 1359548816 812681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9543 < 1359548818 469212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe there was already a `haskell or something.) < 1359548818 706311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit HackEgo don't quit now, i'm trying to repair you < 1359548832 140436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (-: @: ( + 2&%))^:(_) 4 5 6 < 1359548832 376173 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1.41421 1.41421 1.41421 < 1359548843 318022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't think I entirely understand @: vs @ < 1359548845 919697 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parameter is the initial guess btw < 1359548852 481266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359548865 11459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard-coded 2 is the thing you're sqrt-ing < 1359548872 729502 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still greatly simplified it < 1359548875 617593 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1359548905 714658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace composition with a cap ... < 1359548919 849007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ([: -: ( + 2&%))^:(_) 4 < 1359548920 481350 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1.41421 < 1359548939 776734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ([:-:+2&%)^:(_) 4 < 1359548940 255212 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |domain error < 1359548940 471866 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | ([:-:+2&%)^:(_)4 < 1359548947 759842 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1359549043 77125 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sqrt' y = fst . fromJust . find (uncurry (==)) . (zip`ap`tail) $ iterate f y where f x = (x + y/x) / 2 in sqrt' 2 < 1359549045 148476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.414213562373095 < 1359549068 738480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -r1891:1871 | patch -p1 < 1359549070 194326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as short and equally readable < 1359549074 140718 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file 'bin/?' \ patching file 'bin/?e' \ patching file bin/delquote \ patching file bin/delquotee < 1359549096 435921 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *that* bad to read J after you get used to it, IMO < 1359549098 748938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Testing this bitch < 1359549102 395554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :944) Testing this bitch < 1359549106 841597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 944 < 1359549108 562002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, maybe it's not worth getting used to it.. < 1359549111 206046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Testing this bitch < 1359549141 94121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 943 < 1359549142 521554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :943) I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose < 1359549158 717651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee! < 1359549181 221562 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did delquote break anyway? < 1359549181 749691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Jafet messed things up just before HackEgo crashed for days) < 1359549201 668559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a very fast answer < 1359549213 401191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw :P < 1359549218 957823 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359549456 943882 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Tony Hoare severely criticized Ada in his Turing Award lecture, < 1359549457 199374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : saying (literally) that the future of mankind was at stake if we were < 1359549457 199581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : to use Ada, and that Ada was "doomed to succeed." Who's gonna argue < 1359549457 199688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : with Hoare? If he said it, it must be true, right? < 1359549488 574016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people actually use ada < 1359549521 843423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoare said so! < 1359549526 85943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's gonna argue with Hoare? < 1359549556 583496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if hoare said you should jump off a cliff would you do it < 1359549601 92937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adapower.com/index.php?Command=Class&ClassID=Advocacy&CID=39 < 1359549618 18979 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359549618 235718 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359549618 235880 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359550324 627376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtypes remind me a little of newtype except without explicit dealing with the constructor (still not sure about that though) < 1359550334 364359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explicit casts are needed for them < 1359550382 528159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blerg, the air is full of wet snow. < 1359550421 134910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleet, fizzie. < 1359550436 571694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We call that sleet. < 1359550462 175378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more werewolves time < 1359550469 626350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sludd og snøbyger < 1359550497 495930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's a silly word. < 1359550524 390059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what everyone else thinks of finnish words! < 1359550541 758502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130130-so_much_snow.jpg though it doesn't really register on-camera. < 1359550547 346072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game starting in #wolfgame < 1359550584 103776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --finnish 20 # not silly at all < 1359550588 218993 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :korvallesiinsä kiinneperia himoitukemmältä hentäville astaan tihaisemmiltako ahduintämää tiensa ahkeampaamallisemme lipusketilasi kustaville ahdentäviertämmä houkuttumaksenemmäs toisimpiamme hallaan kullanne hankaimmille hyyttävinenikoittelevillä levanne lasi < 1359550601 837274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, aww :( < 1359550604 813594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kustaville! < 1359550619 273300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, i'm not getting involved in your creepy wolf games! < 1359550655 166020 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 meaningful words in that set AFAICT < 1359550673 604605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --portuguese 20 < 1359550675 876330 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :correal estionis nites vidasterirei esmemos dolarasourizaria vertem abombarbolsa reendalandá apitas autelemos desafá flastes reencatombie frinhado embeijareis infrinhas esqua formelhava engalhar < 1359550683 291689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --hebrew 20 < 1359550684 458959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes vim had a command to go to the matching bracket to the one you just deleted; or alternatively a way to delete two matching brackets _without deleting what's between them < 1359550685 628766 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​סות ואברכי ממבול פרס העוש לנטות ממקוד גחלת נילוף חצמוד להטתברכה דמליה ומרי היתי בשבישרא בתפלג נקין וחט וציאל ומוכר < 1359550704 347496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has, i don't really _know_ it doesn't < 1359550714 524964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_without_ < 1359550724 408392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :===oerjan < 1359550726 62715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.// < 1359550727 344473 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surround.vim < 1359550733 708095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1359550737 265440 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dysfore < 1359550740 693622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Kustaville, hallaan, lasi? < 1359550744 248644 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yep < 1359550759 109095 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I.e. AFAIK plain vim doesn't but with that plugin you can do it < 1359550763 812168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what? < 1359550775 691181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I agree. < 1359550821 714643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --canadian-english-insane 20 < 1359550823 596160 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emsellumit proup machizzlin felladien dochia flambernelo gainvive klat nonucle tumboid priorae ecgoniacean preaniki pastern misdefahda maedialiancialization ster neum previlfuria unrepa < 1359550835 750048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You could argue for "kullanne" to be a dialectal/colloquial form of "kultanne" (in the 'sweetheart' sense), I think. < 1359550861 561295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --irish 20 < 1359550862 754680 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think you could, but maybe. < 1359550863 700488 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninde-sín staí jainn raiméin lánchuladh loineorpair bpolaí heirméaróirín leathghéiseac d'amachta tríoga táit scraigh vótáilte scaothúlaíomaith aithirsteipt héachaiscríoga straíche hiosánta staonadar < 1359550880 804665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that pretty much looks like irish < 1359550945 273997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, an also for being a part of the negative present potential tense of "kullata"; hän ei kullanne sitä kirjaa. < 1359550994 287839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, true, no argument there. That's a 20% hit rate for the generator then. < 1359551234 46174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you allow for given names of people (e.g. by choosing some some quasi-official source of "valid" "Finnish" names), there's also "astaan". (There are 6074 Finnish women named Asta in the national registry, so it's not a particularly rare one; plus it has an entry in the name day calendars.) < 1359551289 411580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it does have the wrong case then. < 1359552959 208256 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to license a license? < 1359553026 10442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, if you have a license for it? < 1359553114 607836 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine something like GPL where you had to share under the same license, but the license itself was proprietary < 1359553170 581489 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god I'm in 10 IRC channels on 2 servers < 1359553174 926242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is unexpected < 1359553263 90750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is approaching irc singularity < 1359553310 347859 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now I'm only in 9 < 1359553313 28490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit nicer < 1359553638 209511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, does anyone happen to know the freenode channel limit offhand? < 1359553654 516245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that IRCnet had something like 30. < 1359553678 854114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHANLIMIT=#:120 hokay. < 1359553685 814200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a big number. < 1359553952 671878 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFnet CHANLIMIT=&#:20, IRCnet CHANLIMIT=#&!+:21. < 1359554006 168616 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the fly species inhabiting North America, Hawaii, Australia, and Papua New Guinea are separated by vast oceanic expanses and dont have Facebook." < 1359554048 776961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, twenty-one. < 1359554447 276828 :noam__!~noam@213.57.201.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359554473 419485 :noam__!~noam@213.57.201.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359554537 173058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '>' < 1359554539 184015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 62 < 1359554601 226782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359554607 782216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359554798 396854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord > < 1359554798 613686 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :62 < 1359554801 970247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST CHECKING < 1359554814 118787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1359554871 767085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord 'ø' < 1359554872 23163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359554876 65132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørdjan < 1359554958 649773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ø < 1359554958 885690 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :195 184 < 1359554966 552849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1359554979 493490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That don't look right. < 1359554986 124571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ab < 1359554986 341213 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 98 < 1359555155 227359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ø < 1359555156 685128 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :248 < 1359555161 935691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "lets hope there were no "casualties"" <-- there wasn't, but still dammit... < 1359555176 457207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord is very byte-oriented. < 1359555176 731779 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 115 32 118 101 114 121 32 98 121 116 101 45 111 114 105 101 110 116 101 100 46 < 1359555195 215038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yes, thank you, very helpful. < 1359555195 450172 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if for some practical program- ming applications. tod consists of tiny dots called pixels. < 1359555198 328849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What? < 1359555207 327300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I have not done it? < 1359555209 900771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you've noticed my hints that we need a utf-8 version, right? < 1359555216 418854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guesss I could've just let you do it. < 1359555228 696289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "right way to fix" it? < 1359555228 913494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well you could have checked if anything _did_ break. < 1359555232 918318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can just use `ord for your newfangled UTF-8s. < 1359555243 871233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: to prepend the line number (which is also the quote number) < 1359555253 669928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wa`t < 1359555260 843322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which ord < 1359555262 272214 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ord < 1359555266 374944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ord < 1359555267 571035 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@" | perl -C7 -pe 'chomp; $_ = join(" ", map { ord } split //, $_);' < 1359555285 404756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord øho < 1359555286 448960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But I don't know sed....................................... < 1359555286 691888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :248 104 111 < 1359555288 927944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ☃ ♥ ø < 1359555290 374026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9731 32 9829 32 248 < 1359555307 724951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sad trombone < 1359555313 757716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's something simple like "prepend the line number". < 1359555316 472296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yay! < 1359555323 192502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like it is in vim/ex/ed????????????????????????? < 1359555341 503516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep. you may note the name similarity with the last one. < 1359555393 679400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For years I thought sed stood for "super ed" < 1359555437 198042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait you rascal you made that just before i asked... < 1359555442 965779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I did. < 1359555454 299719 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359555458 651663 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run locale < 1359555459 836900 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ < 1359555470 976080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably some reason why it's en_NZ? < 1359555518 585421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359555547 708699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think Gregor got slightly annoyed with our nagging it should have a properly set locale < 1359555556 123160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env LC_MESSAGES=fi_FI.UTF-8 rm /dev/null # they sound so hilariously silly < 1359555557 649929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: tiedostoa ”/dev/null” ei voi poistaa: Kirjoitussuojattu tiedostojärjestelmä < 1359555594 448433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359555618 533869 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that "rm: impossible de supprimer « /dev/null »: Permission non accordée"? < 1359555633 45861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env LC_MESSAGES=nb_NO.UTF-8 rm /dev/null < 1359555634 701727 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove «/dev/null»: Filsystem med kun lesetilgang < 1359555640 875250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice hybrid. < 1359555665 589961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe "cannot remove" is Norwegian, who knows. < 1359555739 402222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cannot remove" is Norwegian, but "cannot" has a meaning close to English's "remove", and "remove" inverts the meaning of the preceding verb, like "cannot". < 1359555797 976943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish version says "write-protected filesystem", instead of "read-only". < 1359556078 322332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env LC_MESSAGES=he_IL.UTF-8 rm /dev/null < 1359556079 544902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/dev/null': Read-only file system < 1359556084 638083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1359556437 428104 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-7.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359556486 474699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no it isn't. < 1359556639 700568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env LC_MESSAGES=ja_JP.UTF-8 rm /dev/null < 1359556640 964481 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/dev/null': 読み込み専用ファイルシステムです < 1359556648 104781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that it's also Japanese. < 1359556667 307395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rather curious linguistic phenomenon. < 1359556673 519135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env LC_MESSAGES=zh_CN.UTF-8 rm /dev/null < 1359556674 399851 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got `/dev/null' を削除できません: 許可がありません < 1359556674 810391 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: 无法删除"/dev/null": 只读文件系统 < 1359556825 918335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is your DF mod with the coal online at all? < 1359556840 779346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... I don't think so. < 1359556850 572247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a bad time with mineral distributions? < 1359556870 195270 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a bad time being bored, want to go on Dwarf Fortress < 1359556881 228099 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes < 1359556898 675605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can paste most of the relevant files. < 1359556957 514063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DZBh is inorganic_stone_mineral.txt < 1359556983 51738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/MjgN is reaction_smelter.txt < 1359556998 872285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/KDLH is entity_default.txt < 1359557008 970699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should do it. < 1359557092 595147 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1359557175 599083 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359557201 556364 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359557298 950906 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359557303 828277 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359557561 93632 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359557972 98688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate absolutely everyone in #wolfgame < 1359557978 528750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can all suck a burning match < 1359557990 525794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Ada going? < 1359558005 630505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop h8in', start learnin'. < 1359558007 542718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada is on the back-burner due to my mafia addiction < 1359558039 18739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you learning ada Sgeo < 1359558058 4386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because it's "the cool language to" learn?? < 1359558124 616506 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because shachaf told me to < 1359558163 84633 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you're into ada, may I suggest you VHDL? < 1359558175 97469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth would you listen to anything shachaf tells you < 1359558186 64636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's untrustworthy! < 1359558206 292142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ... marketing around Ada is interesting at least. < 1359558214 205656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought Sgeo could use some guidance. < 1359558236 898885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf don't do that... it's unethical... < 1359558273 462442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part? < 1359558287 328873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making sgeo do stupid things because he doesn't know any better < 1359558310 79380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Ada is so stupid, then why do people in #ada say it's good? < 1359558333 933447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like sgeo! < 1359558351 93040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ARE language channels where the people in them don't claim their language is good. < 1359558353 537173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aimless and in need of guidance? < 1359558355 907532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##php < 1359558383 298102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, aimless and in need of guidance by someone who isn't you! < 1359558403 85286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was hoping they could all guide each other for a bit. < 1359558411 413339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe Sgeo could go be guided there. < 1359558464 619755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what they say, the blind can't lead an elephant into a glass house.. < 1359558610 943810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you install GNAT yet? < 1359558616 520572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet < 1359558653 908541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in APT, you know. < 1359558685 409389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: After Ada I'm thinking I'll have him learn some MMIX assembly. < 1359558691 237402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually useful! < 1359558894 583569 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359558926 528483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359558995 38953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359559034 808731 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359559251 60185 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359559358 635006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, fuck the cross product < 1359559383 77626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the matter with cross products? < 1359559446 42183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're too damn chiral < 1359559448 209210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359559454 660640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: reilraE < 1359559569 963547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you love monoids < 1359559598 133010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no strong opinions on them < 1359559623 258405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1359559625 520767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1359559648 276336 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359559745 627836 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359560250 995455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I apparently can get very mean sometimes < 1359560262 309629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't show it here, but I just said, in someone's channel < 1359560267 653599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, if this channel isn't supposed to have fools, why are you here? < 1359560352 819478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would never say that in here. < 1359560357 366715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in #esoteric is a fool. < 1359560452 612425 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't no fool! < 1359560469 969746 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, not your regular, plebeian kind of fool.) < 1359560522 471841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn fool < 1359560522 942769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "fool" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1359560523 159769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fool < 1359560523 159968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a person who lacks good judgment [syn: {fool}, {sap}, < 1359560523 160089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {saphead}, {muggins}, {tomfool}] < 1359560523 160204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: a person who is gullible and easy to take advantage of [syn: < 1359560524 963367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15 @more lines] < 1359560531 990930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1359560532 247156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {chump}, {fool}, {gull}, {mark}, {patsy}, {fall guy}, < 1359560532 247342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {sucker}, {soft touch}, {mug}] < 1359560532 997656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: a professional clown employed to entertain a king or nobleman < 1359560534 889723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the Middle Ages [syn: {jester}, {fool}, {motley fool}] < 1359560537 20545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: make a fool or dupe of [syn: {fool}, {gull}, {befool}] < 1359560538 931279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[10 @more lines] < 1359560542 628346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You think you have good judgment? < 1359560545 509237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1359560545 726275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: spend frivolously and unwisely; "Fritter away one's < 1359560545 726466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : inheritance" [syn: {fritter}, {frivol away}, {dissipate}, < 1359560545 726574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {shoot}, {fritter away}, {fool}, {fool away}] < 1359560546 929649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: fool or hoax; "The immigrant was duped because he trusted < 1359560548 889525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone"; "You can't fool me!" [syn: {gull}, {dupe}, < 1359560550 880629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines] < 1359560554 835358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this necessary < 1359560561 219256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1359560607 112916 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I need paragraphs of explanations to make me realise my foolness! < 1359560687 815123 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foolsub and wisdom. < 1359560723 652203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1359560723 869330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {slang}, {befool}, {cod}, {fool}, {put on}, {take in}, {put < 1359560723 869524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : one over}, {put one across}] < 1359560723 869631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4: indulge in horseplay; "Enough horsing around--let's get back < 1359560723 869739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : to work!"; "The bored children were fooling about" [syn: < 1359560723 869880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {horse around}, {arse around}, {fool around}, {fool}] < 1359560887 976912 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359561377 708922 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's probably some reason why it's en_NZ? // Are you not satisfied, you antikiwi? < 1359561391 419834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1359561400 590766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme Gregor < 1359561402 993084 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grehgohr: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359561437 887702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :TwilightSpockle < 1359561778 517977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*h*h* < 1359561779 701758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?hh \ bin/wehlcohme < 1359561782 318133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*h* < 1359561783 795141 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/h \ bin/?h \ bin/h! \ bin/hatesgeo \ bin/?hh \ bin/quachaf \ bin/searchlog \ bin/show \ bin/unh \ bin/wehlcohme < 1359562008 873127 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwilightSpockle: spockle? < 1359562034 176839 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a traditional Vulcopony name. < 1359562055 439158 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359562212 67700 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359562463 547584 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359562572 696089 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo < 1359562603 576316 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359562683 361041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hate < 1359562684 545497 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hate: not found < 1359562688 138997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't hate < 1359562698 192421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/hatesgeo < 1359562700 976317 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/hatesgeo < 1359562721 509214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359563158 729956 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359563482 189204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't help < 1359563633 587801 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359565068 952620 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359565179 365 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359565470 700255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's so terrible about Ada? < 1359565495 222547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6. Release notes for version 7.6.2 < 1359565495 522836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 7.6.2 release is a bugfix release. The changes relative to 7.6.1 are listed below. < 1359565498 210659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6.1. GHC < 1359565500 870595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long-standing typechecker bug which allowed unsafeCoerce to be written has been fixed. < 1359565503 935945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank's < 1359565591 863615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DeriveFoo isn't fixed. :-( < 1359565609 243022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have fun with ur handwritten instances!!" < 1359565717 650727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, help I can't tell if shachaf is trying to torture me when he tells me to learn Ada < 1359565734 108800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think it would be better for everyone involved if you learned it. < 1359565756 658085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading that it's "large". Are you saying that because it would take a while? < 1359565772 238403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's not going to stop me from talking about it, so how does it help? < 1359565777 702336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, is it that large? < 1359565788 685364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know, just read rumors < 1359565805 236184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should learn it and find out. < 1359567105 373080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I OFTEN GET ANGRY WHEN WRITING CODE IN THIS LANGUAGE" < 1359567109 851133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada much more than C# < 1359567519 920172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ada people say it's highly imperative. Why would I look twice at this language? < 1359567602 317703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You haven't given it a fair chance. < 1359567626 989408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try reading about the language instead of what about what people say about the language. < 1359567645 73899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing both < 1359567672 729566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's another language that lets you do things like define a type for a range of integers? < 1359567693 838265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any dependently typed language? < 1359567750 163818 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359567759 197072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/N60FT3A.png < 1359567787 827663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What actual real-world-usable languages? < 1359568041 336665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Haskell is about as run-time-inflexible as Ada, and I like Haskell a lot except for that. So why Ada when I have Haskell> < 1359568042 94816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1359568064 573470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada is totally lacking in the two things that I regret not having when writing Haskell. < 1359568103 973332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those < 1359568109 822189 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you are the first person in history to compare Ada to Haskell. < 1359568112 939334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about things like precise control over memory layout? < 1359568113 175109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also what does "run-time-inflexible" mean < 1359568123 499511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adskell, the ad-funded "freemium" version of Haskell. < 1359568161 651705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy-to-use macros and easy to change the program as it runs. I am aware of Template Haskell and that it's considered annoying to use, and that there are some libraries for plugin-like stuff < 1359568257 937963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros aren't runtime... < 1359568307 336966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"change the program as it runs" is too ambiguous to really respond to, but it seems to be either a trivial property (i.e. exhibiting dynamic behaviour in general) or something related solely to a runtime rather than a language < 1359568730 143236 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359568781 554487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh pick a language already < 1359568795 811664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try < 1359568803 166190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ada < 1359568813 690076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend your time learning about things other than languages < 1359568828 68656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, why? Other things are boring < 1359568832 748540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong < 1359568858 991921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages are interesting but the thing you're doing probably won't give you much of the benefits of that. < 1359568869 196728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also other things are more interesting than languages. < 1359568915 380129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking to yourself about whether Ada is better than Factor is not interesting < 1359568918 534066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the rest of us anyway < 1359568959 389683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um it's clojure < 1359568982 226649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: out of curiosity, what was the last program you wrote for a reason not motivated by the language you were using < 1359568985 498265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what language did you use < 1359569021 83620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do programming competitions count? < 1359569025 812549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359569027 864500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Python for one problem Haskell for the other < 1359569032 130746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1359569038 831110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they interesting problems? < 1359569061 618697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. Somewhat < 1359569075 202709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I actually understand how to parse parentheses now, as in, a good understanding < 1359569085 85136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, I still need recursion < 1359569187 516273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a bot I wrote for another channel last year but the reasoning behind my choice of language (Tcl) was because it was the language I was interested in < 1359569272 285769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with Sgeo, languages are more interesting than actual programming. that shit sucks. < 1359569289 514651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: Stop that crap, choose task then choose language appropriate for task and start code. < 1359569329 822428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i do hate it less now that i do it regularly-ish < 1359569353 534696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i will relearn to love it eventually? < 1359569490 713915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always seems strange and sad when programmers describe to me their experience primarily in terms of what languages they know < 1359569504 286383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a carpenter bragging about all the different tools in their shop, rather than what they've built < 1359569515 283303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :major mark against in an interview, imo < 1359569552 817820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359569575 749358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is totally screwed wrt. that interview < 1359569672 883189 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359569679 375944 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359569690 166688 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359569692 366377 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359570040 217097 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359570049 346249 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1359570061 866331 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359570066 184191 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1359570070 25579 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359570088 393050 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359570123 730941 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>let map mар maр = mар : map mар maр; mаp mар = map mар mар in mаp "map" < 1359570132 459400 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let map mар maр = mар : map mар maр; mаp mар = map mар mар in mаp "map" < 1359570132 694850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359570134 230339 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: would it be equally bad to descibe one's experience in terms of what paradigms one has experience with? < 1359570152 786541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1359570158 286175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd still rather hear about what you've actually done < 1359570160 420581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn ;_; < 1359570172 833934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will ask questions about that < 1359570178 272847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i ask questions about languages as well < 1359570194 393643 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1359570199 265983 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359570222 713379 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could answer that I have tonnes of incomplete toy projects, but I'm not sure if that'd help me < 1359570239 316139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have course work or something? < 1359570255 781296 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost everyone who has completed interesting projects also has many incomplete or abandoned projects < 1359570268 493668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if somebody claims to know a language / paradigm but can't explain anything substantial they've done in that language / paradigm, it casts doubt on the original claim < 1359570279 912730 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but those are less interesting than the incomplete toy projects < 1359570297 731126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong, it's important to know a variety of tools and understand their strengths and weaknesses < 1359570309 901233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, i want to know what you can do with those tools as well < 1359570319 371964 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, fair, that makes sense < 1359570356 271883 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359570363 395974 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-7.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1359570366 272779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, it will differ between experienced and inexperienced candidates < 1359570397 976787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about incomplete toy projects is totally fair game imo < 1359570405 909613 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359570414 204203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i know at least 500 languages, please hire me to work on that silly irc clone thing < 1359570417 372079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1359570429 781510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: be honest, how many of them are brainfuck derivatives < 1359570432 33951 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think esolangs count < 1359570438 858888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no more than 432 < 1359570444 849292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe 433 < 1359570453 183791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i request a modest salary of $money / month < 1359570486 918894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$monqy/month is better < 1359570505 278177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$texas < 1359570749 831213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" major mark against in an interview, imo" i do agree that if you want to become a programmer, obviously you should like programming more than languages. and perhaps Sgeo does want that. < 1359570831 897761 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather random thing to quote but why not. < 1359570836 414556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the fact that people will, for example, say "I know JavaScript" when what they mean is "I have experience with frontend web development" < 1359570861 854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they'll talk about advantages / disadvantages of "JavaScript" but they're really talking about their experience with the web as an applications platform < 1359570926 410981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise if you say you know AVR assembly, then we can probably chat about digital logic and realtime programming under space constraints etc < 1359570930 557338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really about the language < 1359570988 740725 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have extensive experience in frontend web development with Caterwaul < 1359571041 891636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have expensive experience with `dd` and partition tables < 1359571153 677243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the good old days when I thought boot sector = MBR = booty-thingy, whatever, man, and I wanted to switch from the Windows bootloader to GRUB, so I did dd if=/dev/hda4 of/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 < 1359571161 458206 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have extensive experience in the operation and typical maintenance of the human body < 1359571166 121412 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore make me a doctor. < 1359571168 118192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a backup in my home directory! < 1359571181 319980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took a while to get out of. < 1359571187 223310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a programmer and therefore a genius in every field < 1359571188 941571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: haha < 1359571197 134883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did some things like that too, strangely I believe some of them worked < 1359571220 339506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I had a dual boot system where NTLDR was the primary bootloader < 1359571238 252180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that's what I had. < 1359571242 492107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Windows 2000, I think. < 1359571244 229190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this involved dd'ing the first 512 bytes of my Linux partition (containing LILO stage 1) and putting that in C:\ < 1359571257 43631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me too < 1359571258 505597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right! I remember that. < 1359571263 361706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life got so much simpler when I ditched windows :) < 1359571281 955742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, the same goes for LILO. < 1359571286 930129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that too. < 1359571292 149434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what goes? < 1359571302 789225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life getting simpler when you ditch it. < 1359571327 304676 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flagged Arch's ghc package as out of date < 1359571331 183514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about that < 1359571334 138335 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My work is done < 1359571337 812888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LILO was fine :) < 1359571344 48461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the job < 1359571344 995859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1359571347 602005 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I use syslinux now < 1359571351 927305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember having to update the boot sector on every kernel update? < 1359571354 179705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to remember to run 'lilo' < 1359571365 471761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, not a big deal imo < 1359571383 586969 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :syslinux is good < 1359571394 973523 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple and convienient < 1359571405 205608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now i have to run update-initramfs after ever kernel update instead ;P < 1359571411 997814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except not usually, because debian does it for me) < 1359571457 389652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, LOADLIN.EXE. < 1359571460 951488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359571472 828761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :before NTLDR i had a dual boot setup with Win98 and LOADLIN and an AUTOEXE.BAT "boot" menu < 1359571476 258359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplest and convenientest. < 1359571478 389439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTOEXEC.BAT i mean < 1359571506 958261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :running Linux on 68k macs was similar < 1359571514 765171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ simplifies things. < 1359571530 671098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would boot into OS 7 and run this "Penguin" app and your screen would go all crazy as it loads the kernel all over the framebuffer and then poof it's linux < 1359571553 858270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did MkLinux on my PPC Performa, it was really fiddly. < 1359571556 262319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "System 7", kmc!! < 1359571561 206516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I never got that working. < 1359571562 630079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a bunch of 68k macs from my school for $1 each < 1359571574 924474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for 7.6 after. < 1359571575 945765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them had the 68LC040 chip though < 1359571580 90371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using a $25 yard sale something. < 1359571583 410939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the early ones were System Software 7? < 1359571586 903859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has an erratum that breaks FPU emulation < 1359571594 489644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it couldn't run most binary linux distros :/ < 1359571650 848489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had 7.5.3 on the Performa. < 1359571653 770234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't remember what this was. < 1359571660 382961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Performa. That name sounds familiar. < 1359571691 450308 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let map mар maр = mар : map mар maр; mаp mар = map mар mар in mаp "map" < 1359571691 667150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359571703 773569 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you lambdabot < 1359571727 975335 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ghci it's an infinite list of "map" < 1359571731 371461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The low-numbered Performas were 68k things; the four-digit ones were PPC. < 1359571734 313476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let map map = map in let map map = map in map map map "map" < 1359571735 974185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "map" < 1359571853 547728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerPC was the future. < 1359571885 134008 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there two lets there < 1359571918 479026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let map map = map map map in let in let map map = map in map map "map" < 1359571920 440872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1359571920 695247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t2 = t1 -> t2 -> t0Occ... < 1359571924 675186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. < 1359571929 228390 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bears. http://i.imgur.com/ZJPxIpq.gif < 1359571964 158221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that's the best < 1359571994 963189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a bears :( < 1359572012 61985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding bear-proof trash cans: "There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists" < 1359572136 30139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tired < 1359572208 125132 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hah < 1359572209 998395 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let map map = map in map map map "map" < 1359572211 910736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "map" < 1359572239 104410 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let map in = map in map map map "map" < 1359572240 576976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:9: parse error on input `in' < 1359572249 793660 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let map pam = map in map map map "map" < 1359572251 491037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 = t0 -> t1 < 1359572257 269613 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak < 1359572264 638536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let a x = (x,x); b = a . a; c = b . b; d = c . c; e = d . d; f = e . e in f < 1359572278 30215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359572279 929311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1359572288 831007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let a x = (x,x); b = a . a; c = b . b; d = c . c; e = d . d in e < 1359572297 534028 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some billion laughs thing < 1359572305 678246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1359572307 947407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1359572309 377053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let a x = (x,x); b = a . a; c = b . b; d = c . c in d < 1359572317 932412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t -> ((((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359572318 169199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))))), ((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359572318 386078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359572318 386178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))))), (((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359572318 386223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))))), ((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), < 1359572320 302356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359572321 962190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))))))) < 1359572327 307621 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it. < 1359572353 71268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how typechecking-as-security is useless because it's too slow. :( < 1359572387 153989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THE FATAL FLAW IN @ < 1359572443 202801 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let (@) x = (.) x x in let a x = (x,x) in (@) a a a a < 1359572449 635119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `@' < 1359572453 522192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is syntax < 1359572456 387100 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1359572478 786504 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let fuck everything = everything . everything in let shit fuck = (fuck,fuck) in fuck fuck fuck shit < 1359572481 993008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = (a0, a0) < 1359572482 229553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a0 -> a0 < 1359572482 446676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: a0 -> (a0, a0) < 1359572490 538369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "map" == "mар" < 1359572490 756122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359572525 936114 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k i'm actually not sure what i did wrong there < 1359572567 147650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The types are the problem. < 1359572585 650665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You violated the occurs check!! < 1359572592 751368 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1359572620 542153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let f g = g . g in f < 1359572628 405762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a -> a < 1359572630 504365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1359572658 328400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "map" == "mар" < 1359572658 583490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359572665 831172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks lambdabot and mueval < 1359572682 413437 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let shit fuck = (fuck,fuck) in fuck everything = everything . everything in fuck fuck fuck shit < 1359572685 993474 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359572703 856225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1359572710 154966 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ty really is slow < 1359572713 296733 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let shit fuck = (fuck,fuck) in fuck everything = everything . everything in fuck fuck shit < 1359572719 270098 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359572724 290702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is being really slow right now < 1359572730 339441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1359572731 286707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this is an "infamous" bad case for hindley-milner in general < 1359572734 692802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-exponential, I think < 1359572741 255405 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i remember that now < 1359572746 955058 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way around it? < 1359572751 779857 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the classic "why are you doing that" < 1359572762 454607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stop hitting yourself" < 1359572765 714349 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359572768 837627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1359572773 459368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1359572779 488954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the infamous double exponential case" < 1359572781 910074 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1359572783 915173 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee < 1359572784 862443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can set arbitrary limits on type inference < 1359572791 103596 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359572800 145415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarrbi trarry < 1359572800 362050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy mateys < 1359572802 38029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there are less expressive algorithms which are just, like, exponential at worst < 1359572807 830819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a pain to use because they're less expressive < 1359572839 296773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might also be slower in non-pathological cases < 1359572856 776608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1359572860 802851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1359572863 211418 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1359572876 318906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but it's Jafet's fault. < 1359572902 14402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway maybe I'll try to sleep for a bit? < 1359572930 903164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1359572997 815605 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1359573003 624569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1359573003 841295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1359573020 450365 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who borked lambdabot? < 1359573041 812560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 + 1 < 1359573042 49560 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 2 < 1359573105 842992 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) pi < 1359573106 79282 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: |value error: pi < 1359573133 25978 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) let 2 = 3 in 2 + 2 < 1359573133 343579 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: |value error: in < 1359573133 560588 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: | let 2=3 in 2+2 < 1359573143 313922 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) exp 5 < 1359573143 567427 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: |value error: exp < 1359573143 567622 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: | exp 5 < 1359573145 536874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 2 = 3 < 1359573145 773740 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 0 < 1359573149 335916 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) exp(5) < 1359573149 809055 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: |value error: exp < 1359573150 25626 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: | exp(5) < 1359573150 243112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 2 := 3 < 1359573150 460101 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |domain error < 1359573150 460305 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | 2 :=3 < 1359573160 914981 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) o 1 < 1359573161 602367 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |value error: o < 1359573161 818546 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | o 1 < 1359573168 85514 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) o. 1 < 1359573168 302474 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 3.14159 < 1359573176 512411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) i. 10000000000000000000000 < 1359573176 746223 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |domain error < 1359573176 981687 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | i.1e22 < 1359573179 912489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. oh no you didn't. < 1359573190 554871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a J bot here now? < 1359573197 657408 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the future, boily < 1359573197 898588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is jconn supposed to be accomplishing < 1359573203 216062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait until we get an Ada bot. < 1359573217 697746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'll write an Eiffel bot okay < 1359573220 859183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd fall off my chair in astonishment, but then I'd probably disturb my colleagues. < 1359573221 597643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+%#) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 < 1359573222 186506 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 1 < 1359573225 818395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be a Sgeolang bot < 1359573227 900731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+/%#) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 < 1359573228 151381 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 5.5 < 1359573232 619797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) +/%# 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 < 1359573232 896202 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0.1 < 1359573239 265497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, I still remember how it all works, roughly < 1359573239 503285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mind your language...................... < 1359573263 928121 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait wait, i'll write a algol 68 bot! < 1359573280 574310 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to imagine that, unbeknownst to the channel, elliott has spent ten years in the financial industry programming j < 1359573289 91230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That was going to be my next language for Sgeo. < 1359573299 192972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359573302 100877 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: imo algol w < 1359573314 88815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :algol ω < 1359573325 387954 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :algoljack just ate him < 1359573348 583137 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359573357 869736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they use K a lot more in finance, AIUI < 1359573371 693056 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know anything about k < 1359573374 109812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Algol W isn't wirth the trouble. < 1359573379 280858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I admit hiring a 7 year old to program finance in J would make an utterly fantastic story < 1359573379 515999 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the one that's all "what's this OOP business" < 1359573385 680974 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes it would < 1359573441 543169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: K is like J except different < 1359573450 536741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"h t h" < 1359573457 626402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) "h < 1359573457 859728 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "h < 1359573460 976302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) "h t h" < 1359573461 250215 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |syntax error < 1359573461 485714 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | "h t h" < 1359573465 630097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :) "h + "h < 1359573465 847022 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: |syntax error < 1359573465 847199 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: | "h+"h < 1359573468 78460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359573619 82731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1359573641 784779 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) . 4 5 $ 50 < 1359573642 259582 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: |syntax error < 1359573642 476366 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: | .4 5$50 < 1359573652 540240 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ?. 4 5 $ 50 < 1359573652 777514 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 46 5 29 2 4 < 1359573652 994801 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 39 10 7 10 44 < 1359573652 994993 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 46 28 13 18 1 < 1359573652 995101 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 42 28 10 40 12 < 1359573661 143456 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are probably the least helpful syntax error notices i've ever seen < 1359573665 240872 :derdon!~derdon@89.204.154.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359573689 908759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D.1) 1 2 3 < 1359573690 146385 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 1 < 1359573690 363522 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 0 < 1359573690 363728 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 0 < 1359573690 363833 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1359573690 363942 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 0 < 1359573690 364046 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... < 1359573694 514191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D.1) 123 < 1359573694 875190 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 < 1359573698 947558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D.1) 1235 < 1359573699 184786 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 < 1359573702 29977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great function < 1359573769 748816 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 3 + 3 < 1359573770 274377 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 6 < 1359573772 782400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1359573787 709394 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what the hell is that < 1359573844 887469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first derivative of antibase two (http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/d402.htm) < 1359573986 92692 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares < 1359574136 423286 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :) #: 2 < 1359574137 132142 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 1 0 < 1359574143 616425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :) #: 139 < 1359574144 97615 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 < 1359574149 659812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just base 2 < 1359574185 591685 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but D.1 means first derivative. < 1359574232 435379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D.1) 124 < 1359574232 907366 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 < 1359574237 772216 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1359574309 306612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly sure what the derivative of #: *is* < 1359574349 992917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+,#:) 1 2 < 1359574350 462072 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1 2 < 1359574350 679053 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 1 < 1359574350 679249 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1 0 < 1359574365 932673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+,#:) 123 < 1359574366 169643 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 123 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 < 1359574369 790447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359574377 787713 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone access nortti.dy.fi or even ping it? < 1359574379 222414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+;#:) 123 < 1359574379 439832 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +---+-------------+ < 1359574379 656723 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |123|1 1 1 1 0 1 1| < 1359574379 656920 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +---+-------------+ < 1359574387 477611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:;#:D.1) 123 < 1359574387 966474 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +-------------+-------------+ < 1359574388 183406 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |1 1 1 1 0 1 1|0 0 0 0 0 0 1| < 1359574388 183596 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +-------------+-------------+ < 1359574389 388992 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess #: is sort of the identity function, meaning the derivative is 1 < 1359574392 171583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:;#:D.1) 12345 < 1359574392 405086 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +---------------------------+---------------------------+ < 1359574392 622697 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1|0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1| < 1359574392 622890 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +---------------------------+---------------------------+ < 1359574407 823772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you get 0 0 0 0 0 ... 1 padded out to how many bits the input is < 1359574412 680946 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359574413 625043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1359574462 368291 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D.2) 12345 < 1359574462 623298 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1359574474 370286 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensible < 1359574475 629928 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: pings get lost in the great wide black Internet. < 1359574486 872238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D.3) 12345 < 1359574487 343767 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1359574490 273137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :astonishing < 1359574504 11324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D._1) 12345 < 1359574504 228237 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |nonce error < 1359574504 228333 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | ( #:D._1)12345 < 1359574508 114915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw c'mon < 1359574513 128140 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok. that is what I get too (on the very machine you were trying to ping) < 1359574513 380815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with the -1st derivative < 1359574514 553857 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are there really antiderivatives < 1359574517 165115 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me there are < 1359574527 483283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently J does not acknowledge their existence < 1359574533 197353 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1359574548 522892 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look J, D is a linear operator. that's right a MATRIX. you're good with those right! < 1359574558 601306 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tell me the negative pi'th derivative of #:! < 1359574588 151995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (D. b. _1) < 1359574588 625319 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574588 841665 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | ( D.b._1) < 1359574591 360998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) D. b. _1 < 1359574591 577899 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574591 578095 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | D.b._1 < 1359574597 837074 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does J actually have infinite matrices < 1359574600 11283 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like that < 1359574600 965713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" wait are there really antiderivatives" in J or in general? just checking < 1359574608 355057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f=: D. ; f b. _1 < 1359574608 588420 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574608 805526 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=: D.;f b._1 < 1359574616 891341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo go fuck yourself j < 1359574617 601658 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in J. what do you take me for :< < 1359574623 351973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) - b. _1 < 1359574623 611286 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: - < 1359574627 376009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) + b. _1 < 1359574627 725640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a bike. < 1359574627 942471 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: + < 1359574630 564113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1359574636 870742 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i guess that makes sense. < 1359574640 301655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359574658 305286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (D.&1) b. _1 < 1359574658 522875 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574658 522977 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | ( D.&1)b._1 < 1359574667 757225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f=: D.&1 ; f b. _1 < 1359574667 995386 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: f < 1359574668 213172 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=:D.&1; f b._1 < 1359574675 594648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359574700 954374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f=:D.&1; (f #:) 123 < 1359574701 426094 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: f < 1359574701 643366 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=:D.&1; (f#:)123 < 1359574706 6712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f=.D.&1; (f #:) 123 < 1359574706 517803 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: f < 1359574706 734424 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=.D.&1; (f#:)123 < 1359574710 345440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) q=.D.&1; (q #:) 123 < 1359574710 584431 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: q < 1359574710 803540 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | q=.D.&1; (q#:)123 < 1359574720 287782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i just an idiot < 1359574722 652361 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty close to getting on to #jsoftware to ask why D isn't a matrix < 1359574723 667059 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359574734 913884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ((D.&1) #:) 123 < 1359574735 386513 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574735 603668 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | (( D.&1)#:)123 < 1359574738 261947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1359574754 372713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have to whip out the stuff for this < 1359574769 958363 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f:= D.&1 ; f b. _1 < 1359574770 215709 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |spelling error < 1359574770 215826 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | f:= D.&1 ; f b. _1 < 1359574770 215872 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | ^ < 1359574784 902130 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok i have no damned clue < 1359574817 178847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f =: 1 : 'x (u D.1) y'; (f #:) 123 < 1359574817 396504 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: f < 1359574817 613793 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=:1 :'x (u D.1) y'; (f#:)123 < 1359574823 365476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm getting there < 1359574867 527009 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J has complexes right < 1359574876 895206 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see if D is defined for gaussian integers at least < 1359574888 53127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f =: 1 : 'x (u D.1) y'; f #: 1 2 3 < 1359574888 270237 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: f < 1359574888 270440 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=:1 :'x (u D.1) y'; f#:1 2 3 < 1359574889 275534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1359574892 867820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f =: 1 : 'x (u D.1) y'; #: f 1 2 3 < 1359574893 104953 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: f < 1359574893 322181 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=:1 :'x (u D.1) y';#: f 1 2 3 < 1359574898 639432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ughughugh fuck me < 1359574903 184656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) f =: 1 : 'x (u D.1) y'; f #: < 1359574903 479441 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574903 696197 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | f=: 1 :'x (u D.1) y';f#: < 1359574906 321217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijeijeoijeoijefoi < 1359574917 502061 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo you're going to break elliott!! < 1359574922 293506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello =: 1 : 'x u y'; 1 2 (hello +) 3 4 < 1359574922 621021 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: hello < 1359574922 838942 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | hello=:1 :'x u y';1 2 (hello+)3 4 < 1359574926 70559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAHT ???? < 1359574939 854939 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1359574940 554412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1359574944 131143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello =: 1 : 'x u y' < 1359574944 372470 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |ok < 1359574945 758171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello < 1359574945 995743 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1 : 'x u y' < 1359574948 745140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww friend < 1359574952 345510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 2 (hello +) 3 4 < 1359574952 562824 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574952 562921 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | 1 2( hello+)3 4 < 1359574957 553293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello + < 1359574957 785778 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359574958 2380 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | hello+ < 1359574959 647353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) + hello < 1359574960 121062 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: + (1 : 'x u y') < 1359574964 366006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 2 (+ hello) 3 4 < 1359574964 641911 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |domain error < 1359574964 875611 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | 1 2 (+hello)3 4 < 1359574968 496309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 (+ hello) 3 < 1359574968 972457 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |domain error < 1359574969 190375 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | 1 (+hello)3 < 1359574970 713990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359574971 153860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :) o < 1359574972 183486 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: |value error: o < 1359574973 177917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+ hello) 1 < 1359574973 688663 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: x < 1359574973 905390 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | x u y < 1359574979 271523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1359574979 488803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 0+2 < 1359574980 259372 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 2 < 1359574988 144165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello =: 1 : 'u y' < 1359574988 381139 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |ok < 1359574988 761600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 0+.0 0 0 0 < 1359574989 802919 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 0 0 0 0 < 1359574990 41791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+ hello) 1 < 1359574990 278758 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1 < 1359574995 882134 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i'm good < 1359575003 199405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello =: 1 : '(u D.1) y' < 1359575003 482155 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |ok < 1359575006 724471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#: hello) 123 < 1359575006 962361 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 < 1359575010 283304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss < 1359575015 8598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello b. _1 < 1359575015 225878 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1359575015 226064 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | hello b._1 < 1359575018 436821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1359575034 959149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I have absolutely no idea how to ask J what it thinks the inverse of (? D. 1) is < 1359575035 430444 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say "you can do it!" but i don't know what you're doing and find it slightly frightening < 1359575038 181742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're my only hope < 1359575139 628969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you seen the original J interpreter < 1359575147 4111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Incunabulum < 1359575182 393518 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they managed to make C look like J < 1359575210 674141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes < 1359575256 15654 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good job" < 1359575278 485890 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has this ever been submittedt o IOCCC < 1359575466 309760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/PianoTuning < 1359575525 173612 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1359575791 681553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow thats a lot of essays < 1359575846 511702 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/JforC%20Front%20Cover < 1359575875 172173 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best cover i've seen since forth for the atari < 1359575916 673593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359575916 909304 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth on the atari is a good cover < 1359575970 511514 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359576001 475920 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359576015 733630 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359576033 838888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah < 1359576037 228454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google image search changed < 1359576143 333233 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/The%20Art%20of%20Shaving < 1359576201 75629 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to remember when and why I've wanted this. < 1359576236 337039 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comprehensive Burma Shave billboard collection < 1359576303 763153 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1359576309 357039 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1359576312 310729 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that makes more sense. < 1359576320 322670 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would actually be something related to "the art of shaving" < 1359576335 488632 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the piano tunin one is actually about piano tuning < 1359576448 804249 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the J software /Essays/ directory like an everything2 niche or what? < 1359576505 775292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i left a literal n in the fueue program < 1359576561 198377 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359576575 356092 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359576575 684110 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359576641 643305 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1359576868 31811 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359577109 640985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1359577169 303757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1359577199 74603 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :œrjan evily laughing is never a good omen. < 1359577261 98334 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359577524 311989 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ. < 1359577529 243810 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is ALWAYS a good omen. < 1359577578 373550 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :char*a,b[9999];main(){gets(a=b);while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);} | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1359577896 630232 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359577970 216909 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is that program supposed to take a single line of input, drop its first character then print the rest? < 1359577982 18139 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1359577990 244832 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that is one possible behavior. < 1359578027 475010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um isn't fueue supposed to allow return as whitespace? < 1359578034 36621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs fueue < 1359578065 267488 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359578084 707563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs fueue < 1359578115 18109 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7500 < 1359578128 768708 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What constitutes "whitespace" isn't clear from the spec < 1359578167 644969 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Unicode specifies both LF and CR are whitespace < 1359578174 749984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C interpreter only allows literal ' ' :( < 1359578189 446300 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Arc_Koen is the one to complain to. < 1359578211 49957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you it _does_ take the program as a command line argument... < 1359578245 606423 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe my Haskell interpreter allows \n. < 1359578294 602514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: your fueue interpreters only allow literal ' ' as whitespace (and i suspect the ocaml one doesn't accept even that inside loops) < 1359578310 853221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has only tested the C one < 1359578323 470079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has no idea where to find the haskell one *COUGH* < 1359578362 829929 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, basically, there's one copy of it and it's on this computer. < 1359578409 224023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen your fueue interpreters only allow literal ' ' as whitespace (and i suspect the ocaml one doesn't accept even that inside loops.) this ruins my pretty indentation and is therefore UNACCEPTABLE hth < 1359578409 441102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359578453 858866 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vandoorn.talktalk.net/esoteric/fueue.hs < 1359578464 142035 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The step function is about as ugly as Haskell gets < 1359578513 6718 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily IIRC, lambdabot won't tell stuff to yourself. < 1359578513 223691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1359578532 120752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wow, what the fuck is with that step function < 1359578534 349040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did yo uwrite it like that < 1359578541 595379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: look at that < 1359578555 634433 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it used to be a lot uglier < 1359578561 139164 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1359578609 17597 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to comment my code, then... didn't < 1359578620 142551 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you misspelled "further" < 1359578626 967463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i didn't know about Numeric.Natural < 1359578641 252033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's in semigroups. guess who by < 1359578653 705297 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's been moved to its own package now < 1359578660 46227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1359578664 924330 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nats" < 1359578728 612750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "futher" < 1359578739 143611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "progam" < 1359578743 108556 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have a vague feeling you wrote most of the main function < 1359578751 442730 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359578767 566575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possible. < 1359578771 403727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy_: http://www.vandoorn.talktalk.net/esoteric/fueue.hs look at the step function < 1359578777 550352 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:42:27 monqy: look at that < 1359578790 103504 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to < 1359578795 17611 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1359578797 386643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but then you got disconnected < 1359578800 62417 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaat is thissssss < 1359578809 990995 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1359578815 92660 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1359578826 94987 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone put some of my code onto Uncyclopedia once. < 1359578830 989567 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how much I suck as a programmer < 1359578838 204922 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- We store operators which did not have enough operators -- < 1359578840 104927 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*operands? < 1359578849 523797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1359578867 33980 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this step function hurts < 1359578867 631321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr operators which did not have enough operators < 1359578877 832704 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I had enough difficulty getting it to run correctly. < 1359578892 232407 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats because it's < 1359578893 914196 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1359578904 790730 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people sound like fungot quotes, then something important (and / or confusing) is happening. < 1359578905 7603 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: disable case-switching keys i/ o register you want to set a string) an 65371-67407 ( ff5b-ff7f). only then did the message ?syntax error will occur. < 1359579042 878033 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott, anyone else, constructive criticism on how to improve my code would be much appreciated < 1359579066 767045 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start over, maybe? < 1359579080 763789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm your interpreter does not run my program correctly, whether or not i put it on one line. (Arc_Koen's C interpreter runs it correctly as one line.) < 1359579080 980795 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, that's destructive, not constructive. < 1359579095 137588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall modify his C interpreter to accept \n < 1359579099 815769 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may be an old stupid broken version < 1359579101 347058 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1359579105 402814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ok what i would do is throw away step < 1359579106 655068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start over < 1359579107 661467 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a certain point i think it's better to just begin fresh < 1359579125 319134 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359579129 419936 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern synonyms < 1359579138 718280 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would help slightly < 1359579144 756399 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some of that syntactic noise < 1359579146 443009 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I started over at least twice < 1359579152 341144 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think a major restructuring is probably needed < 1359579166 291007 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like factor out some of the common stuff out < 1359579240 98201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: pattern synonyms aka...... prisms < 1359579245 804792 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1359579246 511191 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step (viewl -> FPlus :< (viewl -> FNum arg1 :< (viewl -> FNum arg2 :< queue))) = queue |> FNum (arg1 + arg2) <$ put 0 < 1359579249 645988 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step (viewl -> FPlus :< (viewl -> FNum arg1 :< (viewl -> FCache (viewl -> EmptyL) :< (viewl -> FNum arg2 :< queue)))) = queue |> FNum (arg1 + arg2) <$ put 0 < 1359579252 852640 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of pattern is pretty common < 1359579253 69348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really tho he has pattern synoynms < 1359579254 799329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he has view patterns < 1359579258 145967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just not utilising them < 1359579267 233943 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1359579282 894986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bad view patterns sux < 1359579294 902042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1359579341 390065 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: for stuff like that snippet i pasted, since you use that sort of thing everywhere where you check the queue and do that stuff you should make a function that does that for you, then just use that function in all of the cases with stuff like that. at the very least you could use that to clean up your binary operators < 1359579496 233017 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359579496 945373 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: and instead of having those crazy nested view patterns you could make a helper-view that views the stuff in the way you want to view them < 1359579529 141123 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: once you apply that sort of thinking to step it might be easier to see what further refactorings you can do since it'll be cleaner &c &c < 1359579692 227693 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1359579699 857455 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1359579728 995029 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure about the complexity of shortest non occuring sequence :( < 1359579745 160559 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. rewrite it using lens. lens is cool right < 1359580009 563801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#Fueue < 1359580054 767669 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1359580058 361687 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well done < 1359580074 141046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1359580140 614094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also elliott, i know he likes Deadfish interpreters < 1359580215 241063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1359580303 129294 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359580653 360937 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359581286 679806 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've significantly shortened the "step" function < 1359581312 388535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you kept the old version < 1359581314 528880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me to preserve 4eva < 1359581330 479013 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... still online < 1359581348 307768 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd make a local copy if you want to keep it that badly < 1359581535 83294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`done < 1359581536 266504 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: done: not found < 1359581537 730036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*done < 1359581554 441263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the new one look like < 1359581630 371900 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not great < 1359581666 275633 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refresh the old link < 1359581722 254076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats some interesting function naming < 1359581726 640206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step (viewl -> FPlus :< (viewQueue2 -> Just (FNum arg1, FNum arg2, rest))) = rest |> FNum (arg1 + arg2) <$ put 0 < 1359581730 417257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step (viewl -> FMult :< (viewQueue2 -> Just (FNum arg1, FNum arg2, rest))) = rest |> FNum (arg1 * arg2) <$ put 0 < 1359581733 203869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step (viewl -> FDiv :< (viewQueue2 -> Just (FNum arg1, FNum arg2, rest))) = rest |> FNum (arg1 `div` arg2) <$ put 0 < 1359581736 147483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can abstract this out < 1359581740 865074 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1359582353 348562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: for a start you can make it < 1359582368 185981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step (erm -> (FPlus, x, y, r)) -> r |> FNum (x + y) <$ put 0 < 1359582785 219115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (I assume you can figure out erm there) < 1359582800 106269 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1359582817 310566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can drop the _ pattern from viewQueue1 there I think < 1359582819 513835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since your patterns are total < 1359583030 875258 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to appease -Wall < 1359583088 350001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wall shouldn't complain since they look completely total to me? < 1359583106 114995 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wall doesn't know about view patterns < 1359583141 126569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ghc smart enough not to apply viewl once per pattern in the above? < 1359583159 57590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1359583164 913793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359583301 744777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1359583303 442971 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf oerjan < 1359583327 152623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Sgeo should be on that list too < 1359583340 127070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's illogical < 1359583343 983007 :derdon!~derdon@89.204.154.137 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1359583365 357602 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is olist for when Homestuck doesn't update? < 1359583374 832049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's for when oots does < 1359583399 14831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey awesome < 1359583408 65673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my sleep schedule is now messed up beyond repair < 1359583410 110264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tired... < 1359583443 92087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' Sgeo' >>bin/olist < 1359583446 215131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359583455 580855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice try < 1359583462 993404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1359583465 445713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1359583466 871967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf oerjan \ /hackenv/bin/olist: line 2: Sgeo: command not found < 1359583469 343512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359583475 130692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1359583516 268596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1P; s/\n//' bin/olist < 1359583519 509996 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359583524 616381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1359583525 932568 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf oerjan \ shachaf oerjan \ /hackenv/bin/olist: line 3: Sgeo: command not found < 1359583534 317181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1359583538 834127 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That made it worse" < 1359583542 709070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359583545 767336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359583554 954834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1N; s/\n//' bin/olist < 1359583558 443061 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359583560 101634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1359583561 351551 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1359583563 663409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1359583567 218927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1359583704 852560 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the olist? < 1359583732 739876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats olsner with his DRY swatter -----### < 1359583752 592350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not repeating anything, swat yourself < 1359583770 610477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should i, i didn't repeat anything either, although you tried to make me < 1359583782 314529 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a test of determination < 1359583799 691459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's oots then? < 1359584081 858233 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order of the Stick, by the way < 1359584115 831778 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the only Fueue Deadfish program doesn't work on any Fueue implementations < 1359584197 732980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically incorrect. the _other_ Fueue Deadfish program works on the C interpreter at least. it consists simply of removing unnecessary whitespace from the public one. < 1359584249 802180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tested the ocaml one, since i don't have ocaml handy < 1359584319 858015 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haskell implementation does the Hello World, Alphabet, and Thue-Morse programs easily < 1359584334 300439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the Truth machine? < 1359584345 843468 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359584363 980337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't work, there might easily be something wrong with input < 1359584379 698667 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359584383 288057 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexplicable parse error < 1359584390 770586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1359584452 926832 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After working out what that was < 1359584461 668173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bash doesn't like dollar symbols in strings) < 1359584468 462212 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a problem with input < 1359584527 825043 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that fixed it < 1359584642 574451 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359584889 64113 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359584907 64261 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, refresh the old link? < 1359584909 216897 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359585203 183483 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359585351 550895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay I'm vaguely awake < 1359585351 768028 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-74-149.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359585356 20485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is J not doing derivatives? < 1359585365 555929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, antiderivatives < 1359585406 976166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 9!:14 '' < 1359585407 443666 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 < 1359585447 258154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 9!:24 '' < 1359585447 515036 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1 < 1359585607 933957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand D. < 1359585638 314482 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 9!:D.124 '' < 1359585638 590171 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |syntax error < 1359585638 807415 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | 9!:D.124'' < 1359585792 372462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was elliott using help for J 4 < 1359585811 990161 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 9!:D.1 24 '' < 1359585812 228867 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |syntax error < 1359585812 445695 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | 9!:D.1 24'' < 1359585813 958499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i googled j vocabulary i think < 1359585817 261800 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww < 1359585823 374741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1359585841 42746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just as in, why you linked to a 402 dictionary < 1359585850 644667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/d402.htm < 1359585853 310487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1359585855 44832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps actually click the link < 1359585874 164708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some more J versions: http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/d212.htm http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/d112.htm < 1359585886 198265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359585890 117740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359585912 557635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "What's the inverse of version" < 1359585929 186060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 9 (!:^:_1) 24 '' < 1359585929 403731 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |syntax error < 1359585929 403913 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 9( !:^:_1)24'' < 1359585961 959927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)(>:^:_1) 24 < 1359585967 875733 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (>:^:_1) 24 < 1359585968 116940 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 23 < 1359585969 602232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1359585977 931618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!: isn't a verb, is it < 1359585984 732346 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1359586002 659002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (9!:24)^:_1 '' < 1359586002 895394 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |domain error < 1359586003 113757 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | (9!:24)^:_1'' < 1359586030 651640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a conjugation < 1359586039 606077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it needs to return a verb < 1359586047 839123 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conjugation of what < 1359586051 677742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (9!:24) is a verb, !: isn't < 1359586057 463380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, conjunction < 1359586084 868339 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooookay < 1359586091 696213 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (9!:24)D.1 '' < 1359586091 924943 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: < 1359586100 71055 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad we got that settled. < 1359586375 194719 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1359586428 858343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 42 < 1359586429 75069 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 42 < 1359586460 105039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) :[):] < 1359586460 593473 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |spelling error < 1359586460 810739 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | :[):] < 1359586460 810937 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | ^ < 1359586475 67035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shockingly not a superset of fueue < 1359586544 305606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. i dream of a language based around overlapping brackets < 1359586554 147165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[like(this]see) < 1359586582 140361 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) #:t.3 < 1359586582 358120 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |domain error < 1359586582 358316 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | #:t.3 < 1359586616 321140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 9! < 1359586616 795558 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |syntax error < 1359586617 13106 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | 9! < 1359586625 254191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) !9 < 1359586625 494248 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 362880 < 1359586626 951067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ~ATH ? < 1359586657 459607 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i hear that's not a real language. i think taneb told me. < 1359586664 914436 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it you < 1359586669 228121 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:D.3) 123 < 1359586669 462968 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1359586676 733206 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (#:t.1) < 1359586676 970170 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |domain error < 1359586677 187195 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | ( #:t.1) < 1359586697 544233 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is crap < 1359586715 297576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain of the adverb t. is the same as the left domain of the derivative D. . < 1359586735 766132 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shouldn't it be working < 1359586746 245666 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < < < < < < < < "j isn't crap!!!!" < 1359586746 544569 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: |open quote < 1359586746 761670 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: | < < < < < < < < "j isn't crap!!!!" < 1359586746 761837 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: | ^ < 1359586749 784394 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1359586756 452148 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot how to do quotes < 1359586758 434306 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip: me < 1359586770 710319 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < < < < < < < < "j isn't crap!!! < 1359586771 31380 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |open quote < 1359586771 248384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < < < < < < < < 'j isn''t crap!!!!' < 1359586771 248565 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | < < < < < < < < "j isn't crap!!! < 1359586771 248673 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | ^ < 1359586771 248779 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +------------------------------+ < 1359586771 248885 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |+----------------------------+| < 1359586771 466086 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ||+--------------------------+|| < 1359586771 466244 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |||+------------------------+||| < 1359586772 380749 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ||||+----------------------+|||| < 1359586772 598016 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1359586780 34064 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on you can do better than that j < 1359586789 456492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1359586799 266238 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < < < 'monqy < 1359586799 747388 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |open quote < 1359586799 964671 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | < < < 'monqy < 1359586799 964835 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: | ^ < 1359586801 652848 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < < < 'monqy' < 1359586801 891739 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: +---------+ < 1359586802 108838 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |+-------+| < 1359586802 109011 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ||+-----+|| < 1359586802 109116 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |||monqy||| < 1359586802 109219 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ||+-----+|| < 1359586802 557548 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ... < 1359586804 943281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) i. 10 1 < 1359586805 181120 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 0 < 1359586805 424042 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1 < 1359586805 424198 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 2 < 1359586805 424301 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 3 < 1359586805 424404 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 4 < 1359586805 424505 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1359586812 42493 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy why don't you fit in the box? < 1359586817 278560 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what i'm supposed to ask you? < 1359586828 986784 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359586835 31234 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not supposed to ask anyone that < 1359586838 469682 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not supposed to ask that < 1359586844 345199 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what am i supposed to ask you then < 1359586847 906212 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1359586853 400353 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1359586856 319465 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < < 'asking' < 1359586856 568790 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: +--------+ < 1359586856 786238 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |+------+| < 1359586856 786418 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ||asking|| < 1359586856 786523 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: |+------+| < 1359586856 786626 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: +--------+ < 1359586875 566763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (<^:100) 'hi' < 1359586875 789568 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ < 1359586876 6755 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+| < 1359586876 6918 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ||+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+|| < 1359586876 7024 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |||+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+||| < 1359586881 759848 :noam__!~noam@213.57.201.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359586883 782704 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ||||+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+|||| < 1359586883 999812 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1359586890 276289 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i concur < 1359586899 276367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1359586904 266426 :noam__!~noam@213.57.201.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359586912 738767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (<^:1000) 'x' < 1359586916 890477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappoint at the lack of box drawing characters < 1359586930 762627 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359586938 703620 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo how do we redefine the box printing < 1359586952 439588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. At least locally there's a thing to switch it < 1359586966 704925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any system related stuff is likely in here http://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help701/dictionary/xmain.htm < 1359586981 784476 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'are you still there' < 1359586992 120680 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott......... < 1359587020 733257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job me < 1359587022 316185 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñó í þhíñœ åé ßhóúøð bé åëíþíñg þhé öëíñþéë fúñ©þíóñß éëbß° íñ Ï ðíëé©þøüç §géó < 1359587026 235925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame sgeo for bringing that bot in here < 1359587031 402215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 9!:12 '' < 1359587037 91593 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it frozen in jsoftware too < 1359587089 370090 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^:) < 1359587091 266921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `^:' < 1359587091 484522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1359587091 484627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `^' (imported from Prelude), `^^' (imported from Prelude), < 1359587099 259522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is frozen in jsoftware < 1359587104 957776 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj < 1359587110 452158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex edit the binary < 1359587111 636070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day < 1359587114 584364 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxes are hard man < 1359587140 798974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a thing for execution time limit < 1359587157 286614 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359587171 407186 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1359587190 342478 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good time limit < 1359587205 78956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i do a bad thing < 1359587206 978506 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my local jconsole uses box drawing chars < 1359587213 992481 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jealous???????? < 1359587231 343830 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359587263 878293 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (^:) fn 0 = id; (^:) fn n = fn (fn ^: (n-1)) < 1359587266 855950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1359587274 179110 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1359587277 548572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes < 1359587281 589401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um... < 1359587283 797355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^:) < 1359587285 969753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq a, Num a) => ((a1 -> a1) -> a1 -> a1) -> a -> a1 -> a1 < 1359587290 294629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not quite right < 1359587294 438329 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1359587296 335707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1359587302 248531 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second i thought i did it right and was confused < 1359587309 333737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let _ ^: 0 = id; f ^: n = f . (f ^: (n-1)) < 1359587310 991587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1359587312 254864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^:) < 1359587313 711975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq a, Num a) => (a1 -> a1) -> a -> a1 -> a1 < 1359587336 491159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it do infinity? < 1359587346 205544 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359587347 189238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix < 1359587349 121643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a < 1359587369 138549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((+) 1) ^: 1000) 9 < 1359587372 797577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1359587378 115015 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1359587386 413527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((+) 1) can also be written (1 +) < 1359587389 737628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Succ < 1359587390 964881 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot knows where it's at < 1359587391 199997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Succ' < 1359587392 757160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t S < 1359587394 244864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `S' < 1359587395 429516 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t succ < 1359587396 888733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enum a => a -> a < 1359587397 602934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1359587401 21280 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just < 1359587401 762886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I construct this piece by piece < 1359587403 695923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Maybe a < 1359587404 625380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm trying to get lazy nats < 1359587410 281070 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Just ^: 1000) 9 < 1359587412 286981 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lazy nats < 1359587413 237546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t infinity < 1359587413 471814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1359587413 709694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a10 = Data.Maybe.Maybe... < 1359587415 615277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `infinity' < 1359587419 698033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Number.Natural.infinity < 1359587421 356676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Number.Natural.Natural < 1359587429 791871 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where's the infinite type < 1359587435 279007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (("hi" ++) ^: Data.Number.Natural.infinity) "end" < 1359587437 42388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `Data.Number.Natural.infinity' < 1359587439 694758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1359587468 556105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src < 1359587468 773147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :src . Display the implementation of a standard function < 1359587472 624903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1359587473 570481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@litas < 1359587473 787902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1359587474 518053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1359587474 735612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1359587480 856450 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the type be just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just Just < 1359587493 505014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/State/L.hs < 1359587501 940295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we get the conaturals from this < 1359587513 924213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just is not a type < 1359587524 790722 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an Int at the end there. < 1359587531 293510 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something with Mu and Maybe? < 1359587533 927526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ... Int is not a type < 1359587539 179532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you mean Maybe < 1359587542 315416 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, that < 1359587561 119671 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then monad laws should fold it to Maybe Int anyway < 1359587567 457124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that has no Num instance tho < 1359587567 674444 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just Just Just 9 < 1359587569 205124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The function `Just' is applied to three arguments, < 1359587569 421675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : but its type `a0 -> Maybe a0' has only one < 1359587569 421885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: Just Just Just 9 < 1359587570 191619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (^:) needs Num,Eq < 1359587578 708358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe (Maybe Int) contains information that Maybe Int doesn't < 1359587588 154076 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man ugh < 1359587593 933713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just (Just (Just 9)) < 1359587595 462022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => Maybe (Maybe (Maybe a)) < 1359587603 455846 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right, ugh < 1359587605 152794 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just ^: 3 < 1359587606 854144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a10 = Maybe a10 < 1359587607 70890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a10 -> a10 < 1359587607 71091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: a10 -> Maybe a10 < 1359587618 355232 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly redefine (^:) < 1359587627 314131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow thats cheating friend < 1359587628 498822 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a crappy definition anyway < 1359587630 156031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always join it if it's like Maybe (Maybe a), but that doesn't mean it's a good idea < 1359587634 705088 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also seriously what's even going on here < 1359587661 166772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have a silly idea < 1359587664 565723 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just . Just . Just < 1359587665 848380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Maybe (Maybe (Maybe a)) < 1359587667 81875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (("hi" ++) ^: var "x") "end" < 1359587669 690026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihi... < 1359587673 217248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheheheheh < 1359587678 542972 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats too silly < 1359587681 982052 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is that < 1359587701 231468 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer my Mu Maybe just because it doesn't use stupid instances < 1359587715 177031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: by way of lacking the instance we need < 1359587719 240555 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359587740 233229 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (1 +) ^: 1000 < 1359587741 632559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a1 => a1 -> a1 < 1359587754 4713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1 + < 1359587755 193281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1359587759 348723 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (1 +) < 1359587760 888651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a < 1359587774 118358 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, now i get it. < 1359587777 806974 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^:) < 1359587779 485531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq a, Num a) => (a1 -> a1) -> a -> a1 -> a1 < 1359587785 554616 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an oddysey that was < 1359587814 216036 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (****) < 1359587815 219304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `****' < 1359587815 436129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1359587815 436324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `***' (imported from Control.Arrow), < 1359587826 49916 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is that L.hs < 1359587828 464060 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1359587835 154233 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason this L.hs has Portal jokes in it < 1359587853 613353 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cake < 1359587855 36123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Char]] < 1359587860 297891 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1359587871 191055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ concat cake < 1359587873 578707 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a portal joke? < 1359587874 288605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : One 18.25 ounce package chocolate cake mix.One can prepared coconut pecan f... < 1359587889 945992 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1359587893 101410 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromChuch < 1359587894 775421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `fromChuch' < 1359587901 598976 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1359587906 561438 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:17:04 how old is that L.hs < 1359587948 19800 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (****) is "a lot like" (^:) < 1359587968 113587 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but :t couldn't find it?? < 1359587986 7033 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!!) < 1359587987 257073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> Int -> a < 1359588000 143255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..x] < 1359588002 545921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: not a number < 1359588009 130752 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that seems like a really weird way to write it but ok < 1359588012 311556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEAK < 1359588120 179114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (****) < 1359588120 435790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1359588152 929462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think its a portal joke????? < 1359588157 432585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never finished portal tho < 1359588160 286249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's the cake recipe from portal < 1359588180 999815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a portal reference, but not one of the ones that's been run into the ground < 1359588182 934981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ unlines cake < 1359588185 619224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : One 18.25 ounce package chocolate cake mix. < 1359588185 835865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : One can prepared coconut pecan... < 1359588188 320130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think portal references are cool again < 1359588189 998227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just me < 1359588193 873972 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1359588205 306088 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cake !! 14 < 1359588207 477968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Pull and peel licorice." < 1359588217 413627 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cake !! 20 < 1359588219 762774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Fiberglass surface resins." < 1359588452 155481 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359589207 486878 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1359589208 51227 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1359589586 485452 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359589744 991008 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at being a wolf < 1359589761 362347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1359589785 331510 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, sgeo. me too < 1359589827 892807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Be a wolf. < 1359589828 130652 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the details of a line of the first byte of the kernal clall routine is called to update that pointer, changing the character rom at 49152 ( c000). < 1359589855 447040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know wolves were so interested in programming. < 1359589866 957785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernal clal < 1359589868 450358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clall < 1359589873 499795 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1359589873 716705 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1359589882 875643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah of course < 1359589910 499427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "clall" bit might be an OCR mishap, I think some of those books were scanned. < 1359589929 625296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the actual name of the routine. < 1359589979 258475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it seems to be. < 1359589995 762529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It CLoses ALL files.) < 1359590034 283645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the "kernal" gives it away < 1359590071 722323 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359590080 410856 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not familiar with c64 style :( < 1359590082 855994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are some actual mishaps, like 0's in place of o's, in regular text. (Unless of course it's from a l33t b00k.) < 1359590126 985250 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the c64 has a thing called a "kernal", sort of like how http has "referers" < 1359590132 699117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell me a little bit more about the character ROM. < 1359590133 179258 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 50 if a or b is set to 1 and setting the character data table is used as a logical file number here. < 1359590160 102465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: shocking < 1359590160 321427 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1) call this routine sets up three windows, and < 1359590193 981106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...and? < 1359590194 198730 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the < 1359590210 815248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...in the what? < 1359590211 32410 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: chrin 804, 61783, 65487 ( decimal) < 1359590231 926991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like pulling teeth from a hard-to-pull-teeth-from object. < 1359590268 1560 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulling teeth from a rock < 1359590275 729979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you are pulling metaphors < 1359590348 567139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found a channel that may tolerate my constant language blather < 1359590354 351430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1359590361 721345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yfl < 1359590373 165127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a yfl......... < 1359590378 743715 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your Fucking Language? < 1359590397 161561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Fancy Languages? < 1359590405 973780 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You Fancy Languages? The polyglot programmer hangout." oh nooooo < 1359590406 490988 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel with sgeo and a bunch of bots in it and that's it < 1359590438 201551 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no public logging hmmmmm what are you getting up to in there sgeo < 1359590445 646627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how this is half people from #haskell < 1359590455 679896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this place is less cosy than #esoteric < 1359590461 873640 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is cosy? < 1359590474 602727 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you guys join yfl < 1359590500 529810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i joined yfl < 1359590506 945564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly nobody else did < 1359590507 419080 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n o i m e a n t # e s o t e r i c < 1359590514 915736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo #esoteric is p.cosy < 1359590525 267107 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yfl seems to have a thing for erlang < 1359590526 779335 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why < 1359590559 964254 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPs < 1359590560 181732 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object Orientation supporting languages. Just to show that there's more to them than just C++ and Java. < 1359590562 840253 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are currently no items in this folder. < 1359590568 784356 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1359590601 125092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess there's not more to them than just C++ and java < 1359590612 487316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :È bella cosí < 1359590626 612437 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their fp 'folder' is erlang, sicp, high vs low level languages, erlang, erlang, curry, clojure < 1359590638 734827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :140 Characters of Stupid at a Time < 1359590639 6347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Twitter. For any reason. Here's why. < 1359590648 697099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is from the guy who wrote that haskell troll (hes in #yfl (remember when he joined here)) < 1359590652 344163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, *così < 1359590658 838677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember when shachaf scared him off) < 1359590664 420401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a thought, Michael: if you're too fucking lazy to open an account on a well-known web site, I probably don't want your lazy ass working my code. See, I want my contributors to actually think and work on their contributions. If signing up for a web site is too much work for you, chances are complying with coding guidelines, writing proper test cases, etc. is also too much work for you. < 1359590675 362944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this next asshat, Mark, thinks that people should use tools based on how easy it is for others to access them instead of the project's principals. Shit, here he's talking about one web site over another. Damn, his brain would fucking explode if someone chose not just another web site but a whole different SCM! < 1359590680 265382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, WTF is it with these Github shitheads? Hipster languages. Hipster web sites. Hipster operating systems. Then talking as if this were rational! < 1359590683 496480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advantage: G3rtm and sanity. < 1359590692 594637 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking hipsters god < 1359590696 540137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think actually punching myself in the face would hurt less than this < 1359590696 819041 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn!!! < 1359590705 83436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, according to this twerp, making life more difficult for your core developers is "meta-optimising" because it allows lazy assholes to contribute lazy-assed work. Got it. < 1359590710 850695 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would hurt less than this? not doing this < 1359590711 88820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not only is this asshat inconsistent in his belief in meta-optimization, he also somehow thinks that all code is deployed on Linux servers. Apparently the myriad of PCs running Windows out there don't exist in his world. Nor do the Macs running OSX. Nor do the smartphones running iOS or Android. Nor do embedded systems of any kind (despite, you know, the overwhelming majority of software in the world running on those). < 1359590712 913229 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1359590717 207963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's verbose, i think he needs more twitter to cut down the length < 1359590717 443085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just how fucking stupid can you get? < 1359590717 679725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set: G3rtm and sanity. < 1359590725 157873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for me? I use unpopular tools in my stuff: unpopular languages, unpopular SCM, unpopular everything, precisely as a filter to get rid of asshats like this Mark Wotton guy and this Michael Klishin guy. They're great hipster filters. < 1359590732 972037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck I wish I'd said that myself. :( < 1359590741 605258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran out of blog post to quote from < 1359590745 440722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets find another(?) < 1359590764 486994 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net TOPIC #esoteric :char*a,b[9999];main(){gets(a=b);while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);} | a good hipster filter http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1359590793 414623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh all these other posts look more boring < 1359590798 718172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I order something custom-made online, it says it'll take five to six weeks. Ten days later, they ship it express (after I only paid for slowmail). Dahell? < 1359590798 935093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in more boring to quote from < 1359590946 543067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's poisoned and they want to get rid of you ASAP, HTH, HAND. < 1359591006 296264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhh, that explains it. < 1359591079 831589 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so is yfl any good < 1359591103 197518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very silent < 1359591322 744375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Term of the day: "the curse of dimensionality". (It is something a wicked witch might cast.) < 1359591349 868208 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1359591355 745884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wicked witch of which direction, exactly? < 1359591379 168441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a hipster filter? < 1359591407 517371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a hipster? < 1359591408 721 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: foreground 10 background 2 color ( chart,above), and that it performs the reverse of inx, is displayed < 1359591611 548241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The wicked witch of the ana or kata, presumably. < 1359591753 190356 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359591884 433411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1359592009 777899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if east/west are wicked, north/south are good, and ana/kata are wicked, it follows for balance that up/down must be good. < 1359592058 958088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ana/kata a hughesism < 1359592095 449336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Howard_Hinton < 1359592106 806160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, that makes more sense < 1359592388 85506 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359592977 93889 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359593860 119729 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359594106 124726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359595480 746316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where is that quote from < 1359595487 633166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i thought hipsters like things that aren't popular yet < 1359595495 963500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you mean the really long awful one < 1359595498 745449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you want to know < 1359595505 949058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm i googled it < 1359595573 7741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot that 'hipster' is a generic pejorative that can be applied to anyone < 1359595785 42139 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359596580 23673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I like this channel already. < 1359596644 819576 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359596906 412653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither the people tweeting nor the person making fun of them seem to have any good reason to care as much as they do < 1359596928 880203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting i would quote anything with any kind of value whatsoever < 1359596932 60839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you even know me < 1359597052 727291 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359597534 848430 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359597899 111690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB wifi adapters are really tiny now < 1359597905 362232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "barely sticks out of the port" tiny < 1359598114 731085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm giving a lecture tomorrow which includes stuff about different systems being turing complete and therefore equivalently powerful < 1359598127 586199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask #esoteric: what are amusing / interesting examples of TC systems? < 1359598169 57775 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crabs < 1359598198 283110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconding bike < 1359598248 875769 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pencils < 1359598252 594849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could bring a bunch of live crabs into lecture < 1359598262 612013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a digression about marine biology < 1359598268 338452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pass one around the class in a little dish full of water <3 < 1359598296 908822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can I come to your lecture < 1359598302 196830 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.1749 here's your cite < 1359598305 186074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's in cambridge ma though < 1359598322 605741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nice < 1359598322 963095 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i guess you'd need to cite shannon or whoever to get computers out of gates? w/e < 1359598340 790422 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the "laboratory models" < 1359598342 262976 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun lab imo < 1359598355 557089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can you give me a plane ticket < 1359598358 680850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, langton ants? < 1359598361 546734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life? < 1359598374 277753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAs are kind of sticky there < 1359598404 125789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the only computer I've seen that has a part labeled "intimidation plate" < 1359598420 208908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need one of those for my computer < 1359598433 627772 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's another one though < 1359598439 881985 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking everything and its mother is turing complete < 1359598444 707345 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(parse as you will) < 1359598465 132897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did. < 1359598492 394455 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrestricted grammars are pretty obvious but they're probably useful pedagogically < 1359598498 381205 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get across the "fucking everything" part < 1359599177 742722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ttm is talking to me < 1359599285 312955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow sgeo < 1359599287 958561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel really is quality < 1359599417 200099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha christ < 1359599423 642194 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a good decision. < 1359599505 573624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hope you feel welcome < 1359599514 324432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1359599517 408303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which channel < 1359599522 639469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no channel, shachaf < 1359599523 587017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it #esoteric < 1359599529 209282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359599543 851717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it #yfl < 1359599549 811255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359599568 147851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is in there < 1359599572 250486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be good right?? < 1359599587 910676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: remember that great ttmrichter guy < 1359599591 475186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote that great post about haskell once < 1359599598 990158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you want to spend lots of time in a room where he has ops right < 1359599619 901975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that guy!! < 1359599629 325273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I know nothing about him.) < 1359599636 569224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why is ski in that channel?) < 1359599649 785371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats your poison bike < 1359599666 563687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is cyanide < 1359599759 609264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is this real < 1359599795 840318 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as separate components sure, don't you know your peirce? < 1359599798 772525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Sgeo.... dont < 1359599804 496335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shachaf... dont < 1359599813 834555 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abductive_logic_programming < 1359599842 754490 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see what you've started < 1359599854 394168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I believe this is all your fault Bike < 1359599855 411588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1359599855 649289 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've become a trendsetter...a hipster of the highest order......... < 1359599856 833040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo's < 1359599857 50430 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Bike, sgeo's taking the blame here < 1359599875 214462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've started a movement < 1359599877 478114 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo's credit < 1359599953 468767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: n'thigg < 1359599968 46229 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how i have no idea who anybody is even though some of you obviously have a History < 1359599984 582733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just listen to elliott???????? < 1359599991 492214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: who has a history < 1359599996 106982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1359600001 655933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh do you mean people in #esoteric in general or something < 1359600003 358065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help?? < 1359600007 180464 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently you know who ttmrichter and ski are < 1359600016 571528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is a regular in #haskell < 1359600022 566360 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see there you go < 1359600024 38499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is no regular < 1359600026 643521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttmrichter is some guy who wrote a really trolly flamebait blog post about haskell once < 1359600029 786441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then joined #esoteric < 1359600032 158972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then shachaf drove him away < 1359600033 651446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps this was days ago < 1359600036 492277 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah was that the one about cabal < 1359600039 142298 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1359600039 382620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359600044 64738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is an extraordinary < 1359600059 153328 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you thought beaky was an extraordinary. < 1359600082 901365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :beaky filled a much-needed gap in #haskell < 1359600090 873350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when shachaf wanted to get beaky banned. < 1359600101 489929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I never wanted that? < 1359600117 310607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted people to be aware of beaky, that's all. < 1359600231 939018 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the deal with ski. I don't want to be the sacrifice, man. < 1359600249 692462 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Yeah, what's the deal with that guy? ) < 1359600262 918749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther´es no ´`deal`´?? < 1359600310 371302 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw whats this blog post < 1359600318 738541 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's a ´`deal`´ and I want to know whether I should be in on this ´`deal`´.. < 1359600327 711531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski's a cool dude < 1359600328 655686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION · ∘ o ○ ( hi monqy ) < 1359600351 846999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is what you might call "a cool dude" < 1359600375 55719 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "a cool dude"s are usually cool < 1359600387 294218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very often so < 1359600395 21940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like they have something in common < 1359600428 55632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw in hebrew "dude" means "water heater" < 1359600438 598152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a "cool dude" would be a problem?? < 1359600444 625340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might even say it would be a dud < 1359600497 615440 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359601213 453243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359601563 417968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it's fair to say that the distinguishing property of a compiler vs. an interpreter is that a compiler doesn't infinite-loop even if the program it's compiling does? < 1359601610 403491 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's better to think of it as partial evaluation of an interpreter if you're going to go that road. < 1359601629 438452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1359601645 378751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :futamura projections, another thing I won't have time to get to in this lecture :( < 1359601652 363665 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's an awful compiler with bugs. the bug is that the language has undecidable something or other (type system? metalanguage?) and they forgot to put in a timeout < 1359601734 892636 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what i was thinking of < 1359601753 847932 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :often it's not straightforward what's compile-time and what's interpret-time and bla bla fuckin bla < 1359601776 713934 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'artificial distinction' &c &c < 1359601801 112038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter that after a certain amount of time... quits and forks to execute the remainder of the program? < 1359601812 826826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know it's not straightforward < 1359601829 899963 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be best to explain it with some kind of static analysis < 1359601836 977354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's a reasonable distinction to talk about, in the middle of a discussion of halting problem and such < 1359601846 405453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static analysis does not imply compiled < 1359601850 531257 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am aware. < 1359601874 842570 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an idealized compiler looks at a program "statically" enough that whatever it's doing is computable. < 1359601921 578258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you distinguish compiler v interpreter for non-TC languages not capable of infinite looping? < 1359601931 626663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't < 1359601949 478773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an ironclad mathematical definition < 1359601960 556409 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion a compiler maps a program in one language to its representation in another language (usually lower level) - an interpreter on the other hand maps the program to its effect when executed (which is probably a good way to represent the program, except you might be showing only one possible outcome out of severals, for instance if the program is nondeterministic, or if you're interpreting it over a specific input < 1359601960 774104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1359601964 196430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you see programs as functions, the distinction is "simpler" < 1359601968 594397 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1359601968 988295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2m 8d 6h 52m 47s ago: "Note that functions . and , actually modify their input world, rather than a copy." <-- that's evil! also not pure. < 1359601968 988499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 32m 40s ago: your fueue interpreters only allow literal ' ' as whitespace (and i suspect the ocaml one doesn't accept even that inside loops.) this ruins my pretty indentation and is < 1359601968 988608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore UNACCEPTABLE hth < 1359601971 587538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd sure distinguish them!!!!! < 1359601974 310525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a way of looking at things which makes certain things clearer and others less clear < 1359601991 5781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Arc_Koen's definition matches my intuitive one better < 1359602013 348053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not asking "what is the best definition of compiler", i was asking whether a particular unusual view is useful / interesting in a particular context < 1359602014 532080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: interpreter :: ({A -> B}_L, A) -> B; compiler :: {A -> B}_L -> {A -> B}_T < 1359602024 962918 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, i don't think it is < 1359602026 861142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hideously ad-hoc notation: {X}_L means a program in L representing a function of type X < 1359602032 154698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and T is the target language < 1359602054 504497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that essentially boils down to "a compiler is a partial application of an interpreter", I guess, but you have the distinction of what language things are represented in < 1359602078 457684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1359602080 485624 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the level the compiler/interpreter distinction makes sense (translation vs 'execution'??? who knows.........) i think it'd make sense to distinguish e.g. 'compiling' a regular expression to a DFA vs. checking membership of a string directly < 1359602094 103682 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty ill-defined thing to talk about... < 1359602097 85146 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer not to.... < 1359602123 951495 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not compiling means doing a pointless bunch of crap a bajillion times. or at least cutting down on the crap" < 1359602819 736327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/17kynn/rubygemsorg_got_hacked_today_is_hackage_safe/ < 1359602839 98895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is Hackage safe? < 1359602839 354838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. As everyone can upload a new version of any package, it should take about 5 minutes to break Hackage." < 1359602840 992446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRILLIANT < 1359602949 340081 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mission critical" is such a set phrase < 1359602952 463747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anyone at all" with a hackage account < 1359602979 309525 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are there worms written in haskell yet < 1359602990 350682 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type-safe elk cloner to commemorate the anniversary < 1359603406 224026 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1359603485 695952 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) welcome back jconn < 1359603485 951307 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: welcome back jconn < 1359603489 49641 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you!!! < 1359603495 319337 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my name's monqy..... < 1359603500 863700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) hello < 1359603501 101916 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |value error: hello < 1359603505 252490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1359603507 800214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it love monqy and not me < 1359603594 619347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 2 1$<"0'hi' < 1359603594 859183 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +-+ < 1359603595 76143 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |h| < 1359603595 76359 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +-+ < 1359603595 76466 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |i| < 1359603595 76576 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +-+ < 1359603614 786912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably an easier way to write that < 1359603658 693592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) a b c < 1359603658 936478 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a b c < 1359603665 726483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) a b < 1359603665 964075 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a b < 1359603730 924616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'Hi'"0`'Bye'"0@.?2 < 1359603731 199702 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |domain error < 1359603731 416525 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 'Hi'"0`'Bye'"0@.?2 < 1359603734 80525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'Hi'"0`'Bye'"0@.?1 < 1359603734 317253 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |domain error < 1359603734 534580 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | 'Hi'"0`'Bye'"0@.?1 < 1359603739 756790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1359603774 875463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ;:'''Hi''"0`''Bye''"0@.?1' < 1359603775 110584 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +----+-+-+-+-----+-+-+--+-+-+ < 1359603775 327336 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |'Hi'|"|0|`|'Bye'|"|0|@.|?|1| < 1359603775 327447 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +----+-+-+-+-----+-+-+--+-+-+ < 1359603789 62307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting hell :( < 1359603818 542048 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1359603850 278059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :string delimiters should be nestable < 1359603859 514045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, hmm < 1359603889 86545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if strings can store code sometimes it makes good sense < 1359603892 456395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see Tcl) < 1359603904 931199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the fact that "" in Tcl isn't nestable sucks < 1359605282 826922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best thing ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBxzXCBFf1w&list=PLxHXPBa3SI_iwFjAv9lLwxCFVyc5Fc5hy&index=1 < 1359605832 176376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "" is a monoid right < 1359606201 299551 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is the identity of string composition which is. so i'm gonna say yes. < 1359606238 401721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids :D < 1359606284 186169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :String composition (the operation) is no more a monoid than the identity of that operation. < 1359606297 80544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Sgeo said: "" in Tcl isn't nestable < 1359606302 472673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume he didn't mean the empty string. < 1359606313 624175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the string delimiters < 1359606320 515122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, the " delimiters < 1359606328 399868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo "bar" baz" < 1359606329 349538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1359606344 808329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But {foo {bar} baz} works, but then you don't get to use [] and $ < 1359606359 541116 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hardly sounds like the best thing ever at all. < 1359606397 968163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well it ís a monoid............................... < 1359606407 167778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty much the best thing ever < 1359606413 378456 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good point. < 1359606417 420381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id "Bikе" < 1359606417 653316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1359606422 639935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your argument is invalid < 1359606438 134549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1359606478 668879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ᒎ < 1359606486 775431 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is activity in that channel < 1359606509 925587 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what channel < 1359606517 684133 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that channel < 1359606528 291451 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359606529 984601 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that channel < 1359606540 818800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellonqy < 1359606557 134910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what about "complex analysis should i learn that" < 1359606598 279877 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1359606603 411535 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :analysis can be fun? < 1359606612 174988 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know much of it though < 1359606620 492583 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some tastes < 1359606653 702308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a "taste" < 1359606659 678702 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359606663 472728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359606714 693977 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about how the value of any holomorphic function is completely determined by its values in a ring around that point < 1359606731 790996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what point < 1359606746 23711 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any point < 1359606751 27305 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1359606757 148615 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :value of a holomorphic function at any point, there we go. < 1359606759 55628 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is hard. < 1359607130 597695 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359607161 730134 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359607338 47587 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359607419 288927 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359607520 122407 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359608440 113682 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359608566 860627 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359608689 279705 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359609587 58328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have handy a list of church numerals in the SK calculus < 1359609606 872458 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't wikipedia have a table? < 1359609669 99205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f x -> f (f (f (f (f x)))) < 1359609669 316834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (.) (ap (.) (ap (.) (join (.)))) < 1359609674 572800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's more than SK. < 1359609683 573886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get from that to SK with a trivial substitution, though. < 1359609693 42560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I said trivial. < 1359609701 75545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is?) < 1359609937 862312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll allow it < 1359609945 963186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: does it? < 1359609954 933635 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it did but i don't see it < 1359609957 26652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was unable to find it with 15 seconds of googling < 1359609964 236013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is my new standard for "does a piece of human knowledge exist" < 1359609965 656377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1359610234 284072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the punchline of this talk (after encoding away numbers, bools, cons pairs, recursion, and lambda itself) is "all that's left is parentheses" < 1359610237 402473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should feel bad about that < 1359610279 500757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encoding away lambda itself? < 1359610281 395148 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah, you don't need parentheses < 1359610282 353554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of what? < 1359610286 181632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: S/K < 1359610289 975506 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if he's using ski..... < 1359610293 823095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1359610299 686484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just use unlambda. < 1359610306 196364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need some form of grouping < 1359610315 63365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda has the apply operator < 1359610319 438620 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah you could use automata < 1359610329 335030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually use lazy k because "its cooler than unla"mbda?? < 1359610343 284391 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1359610344 228580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah do that < 1359610347 783101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other punchline under consideration is that i hit a switch and swarms of soldier crabs drop onto everyone < 1359610358 238902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that one < 1359610361 454643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think i will have time to set that up :/ < 1359610375 366402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have to skip work tomorrow to go fishing < 1359610378 965489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lecture has been delayed due to crab shortage. < 1359610482 988330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go to maryland and buy a whole bunch of blue crabs or summat < 1359610507 184467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maryland is far away < 1359610512 193136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could get maine lobster < 1359610515 273567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically the same right < 1359610522 464769 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need swarming though < 1359610542 495757 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god did you even READ the paper on crabputing < 1359610560 335485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crabputers, crabputers, work like computer, taste like crab < 1359610572 817004 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1359610606 90909 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new taste sensation that's sweeping the enterprise server solutions world < 1359610630 636772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tastes great with old bay seasoning < 1359610812 583800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let chu 0 = "k (s k k)"; chu n = "s (s (k s) k) (" ++ chu (n-1) ++ ")" in chu 5 < 1359610815 477886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) ... < 1359610818 964365 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1359610825 770541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s x y z = x z (y z); k x y = x in s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (k (s k k)))))) (+1) 0 < 1359610827 445709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1359610830 842052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1359610853 548557 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Mu Maybe < 1359610855 44767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1359610882 241272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let chu 0 = "k (s k k)"; chu n = "s (s (k s) k) (" ++ chu (n-1) ++ ")" in chu 2 < 1359610884 677653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "s (s (k s) k) (s (s (k s) k) (k (s k k)))" < 1359610943 186583 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :chu chu chrain < 1359610954 823177 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's unnaturally warm right now < 1359610958 123877 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :57° < 1359610970 450052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1359610973 426978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Google made their weather finder thing fancy. < 1359611533 352709 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359611604 458875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" actually use lazy k because "its cooler than unla"mbda??" no it's not < 1359611612 978476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda is awesome, lazy k is just ski. < 1359611616 959537 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quotes" < 1359611651 51812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh do they mean something < 1359611661 729333 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1359611666 371261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was a beginning quote < 1359611720 19858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :""its cooler than unla"mbda??" i parsed this as it's cooler than unlambda with randomly inserted quotes < 1359611755 420992 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed the beginning quote is correctly placed < 1359611777 4346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps could be interpreted as some sort of sarcasm < 1359611790 423949 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case, i've heard many people say that lazy k is better < 1359611844 317935 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is stupid. i would be fine with "SKI is better" tho. < 1359611853 309876 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps there were always quotes < 1359611864 534237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps everything i've ever heard and learned was in quotes < 1359611890 765710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really and truly i have heard nothing which has a meaning < 1359611909 281621 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to make a sandwich now < 1359612198 996565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps death is just the closing of a cosmic quote < 1359612320 760965 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...," yields falsehood when... < 1359612670 136845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a deadline today :o < 1359612758 625421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love deadlines < 1359612761 585581 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1359612873 342124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadlines alone move the wheels of history < 1359612910 147767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1359612938 711965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also actual deaths, i hear < 1359612997 878743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are S and K enough even in a strict language? < 1359612999 773631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah writing usually gets exponentially faster when there's a deadline < 1359613012 950031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess they are. < 1359613045 999281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I mean that SKI is better. < 1359613052 937151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With laziness. < 1359613057 998883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or non-strictness, anyway. < 1359613058 405885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski has laziness < 1359613069 953027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Lazy K is the only semi-standard implementation of SKI that I know of. < 1359613096 244515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that's a reasonable argument. < 1359613102 942889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still disagree, unlambda is awesome < 1359613167 575603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI is better. < 1359613223 953275 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1359613244 576990 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski + continuations is just an awesome idea < 1359613261 792808 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a priori. i have no idea what programming with that combination is like. < 1359613268 563317 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1359613268 780516 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-37.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1359613268 780654 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359613284 233522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, SKI + continuations might be better than SKI. < 1359613288 168678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously ski is a better idea than ski+continuations. < 1359613288 911456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SKI is still better than unlambda. < 1359613295 26036 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still prefer the combination < 1359613382 890672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: idgi? what's wrong with unlambda if not the continuations < 1359613406 248604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's strict? < 1359613416 621936 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359613432 349392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess you probably want strictness if you have first-class continuations. < 1359613613 77678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you teaching them about monoids < 1359613627 345125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr. beaky or: how i learned to stop worrying and love the monoids < 1359614081 900698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with people writing the names of things like complexity in ALLUPPERCASE? < 1359614092 603949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they figure them out before lowercase letters were invented? < 1359614172 887178 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEAKY < 1359614359 224739 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beaky-completeness < 1359614803 682134 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1359614837 778044 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359614885 816864 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do CPUs still have so few execution units? < 1359614921 412612 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1359614928 318723 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have billions of transistors < 1359614948 876268 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet they're still souped up pentium IIs that can only really do 4 instructions per cycle < 1359615013 221598 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder ARM is gaining ground < 1359615119 300468 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many units does an arm have? < 1359615146 995434 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A8 has 2 < 1359615153 889117 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think A15 has 3 < 1359615184 362466 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that more than 4 instructions/cycle < 1359615203 649798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so small they should be called µnits. < 1359615213 655872 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends if memory load counts as a separate instruction < 1359615223 35091 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnits < 1359615246 949298 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you count memory load, the pentium IIs they do these days go up to like 6 or 7 < 1359615260 652740 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :starglte, hllf-life, numbthreers < 1359615272 154537 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while arm A8 stays at 2 < 1359615289 127169 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and A15 goes up to like 5 < 1359615298 465001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1359615298 682062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday School, but it's true. < 1359615320 212769 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so arm is gaining ground because it has less or what < 1359615379 404365 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arm is gaining ground because while they do have less, their design is much, much less complicated < 1359615385 400793 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's out of order now < 1359615411 905149 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got to do with execution units < 1359615425 930681 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :execution units are the payload < 1359615449 799146 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the actual adders, multipliers, multiplexers that read from the cache.. < 1359615466 282631 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie the parts that ddo the stuff that you actually want < 1359615502 970199 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not the bookkeeping surrounding that like instruction decoding and branch prediction < 1359615600 333007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://simonsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/tsp_map.jpg < 1359615642 115846 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only good thing about the p2 is that its crazy architecture lets it keep doing stuff during a cache miss < 1359615676 81218 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that all one line < 1359615717 675019 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, traveling salesman < 1359615842 561400 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359615873 795789 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359616202 683028 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com QUIT :Quit: RodgerTheGreat < 1359617911 709015 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359618194 937643 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: oh nooooo < 1359619265 904041 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1359619315 619926 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359619373 702044 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359619404 954720 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359619766 123562 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-149-115.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359620312 307394 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1359620946 835421 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-149-115.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359621250 564067 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359623019 920282 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1359623068 836222 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1359624054 207132 JOIN :#esoteric > 1359624058 344311 JOIN :#esoteric > 1359624058 859800 JOIN :#esoteric > 1359624074 190645 JOIN :#esoteric > 1359624078 320360 JOIN :#esoteric > 1359624078 837137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359624080 851925 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1359624085 325309 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1359624087 178559 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359624496 286194 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359624960 479953 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1359624998 100132 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1359627277 900991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359627392 770447 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359627409 420410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359630150 949096 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359630556 519810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n this article we present a mathematical data model for the most common noSQL databasesnamely, key/value relationshipsand demonstrate that this data model is the mathematical dual of SQL's relational data model of foreign-/primary-key relationships. " < 1359631218 96548 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359631351 57868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dual of a key store is a little cooky. < 1359632538 961906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But remember: if you buy something at a low price and want to make a profit from its sale, a selling price has to be more than twice the amount paid. That way, one can get more money than one started with." < 1359632539 912023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1359632543 708297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thonky.com/eve-online-guide/eve-online-market.php < 1359633056 486977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and here's a new thing for you: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_mentions.html < 1359633792 104481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm http://sourceware.org/ml/glibc-cvs/2013-q1/msg00115.html < 1359633831 592019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freedom is the freedom to say that 2 + TWO make zero. < 1359633986 1085 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://oi46.tinypic.com/2qsqvbo.jpg < 1359634079 145466 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently I've mentioned optbot the most? That's a bit poor. < 1359634091 483471 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's funny how elliott was mentioned the most < 1359634099 682580 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if having relative-in-column and relative-in-row visualizations would be useful. < 1359634116 257737 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it funny how elliott talks the most < 1359634118 561208 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only people who never did are Keymaker and Razor-X < 1359634147 271489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are all these graphs my fault < 1359634151 153043 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pairings that never occurred" this is where we fill in with shachaf fanfic < 1359634155 398130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have i started !! < 1359634155 787462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think variable may have been cheating somewhat < 1359634161 815045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Perhaps not quite, but I'm blaming you in any case. < 1359634171 259170 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how when you click "freq. of being mentioned", there's a diagonal line of self-mentions < 1359634227 791016 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :same but less visible on other settings < 1359634289 363934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Perhaps I should add a "normalize" dropdown later. (I was also thinking of feeding that same data into a graph thing, and/or a clustering thing.) < 1359634416 271698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And actually since the row is "person who was mentioned", it's just that optbot's said your name quite often (w.r.t. how much optbot has spoken, overall). < 1359634480 939975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It should highlight nicks when you hover over a blank square. < 1359634490 616351 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right. I somehow always manage to mix up X and Y when reading tables. < 1359634517 317748 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Person X" = "person whose name is written in the X-direction" < 1359634557 723381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I probably should've just talked about rows and columns there, and also not reuse X and Y for the name-placeholders. < 1359634571 528598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs kipple < 1359634573 970893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess. It doesn't because those don't have associated rect elements at all, at the moment. < 1359634587 28251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They could be white squares. < 1359634656 980196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi "im right next 2 u on the graph" < 1359634692 208091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could. Also I was wondering if it should highlight (in some suitably subtle way, maybe with a thin black border or something) the transpose cell, so that you can easily see whether the feeling is mutual. < 1359634737 806298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I don't actually play EVE yet < 1359634748 218957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I gather that those are not things worth that amount < 1359634760 190935 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1359634784 336376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, wait, what's with that unreachable thing? < 1359634821 185865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say we ship Jafet and fungot < 1359634821 372316 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: expressions which have enjoyed a wide range of complex harmonic structures from voice i at the warm start, basic statements on. this chart shows which color com- binations to avoid defining nonarray variables ( see the section on input/ output operations. in scientific notation < 1359634848 780601 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359634852 378420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the empty cells are rectangles too. < 1359634868 640427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1359634876 151200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie++ # responsive < 1359634893 976204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered running for president? < 1359634898 663537 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :SING FOR ME FUNGOT < 1359634907 57299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2018 or so. < 1359634910 932373 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry I yelled at you, fungot. < 1359634911 115546 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: registers affected: a, and does not understand, so we've put together a fun sprite program called " scrolling. it is receiving). < 1359634928 776431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ♥ < 1359634928 959990 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can also develop special graphics characters. these are the values of the x and y registers to zero. < 1359634955 767785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably make those lines between cells also just a grid on top, so that the nick highlight wouldn't blink so much. < 1359634961 151521 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot: ♥ shachaf: you can also develop special graphics characters. < 1359634961 334975 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: for scrolling in the 651 0 microprocessor is writing irq interrupt to occur while you can display the upper left-hand corner of the device resets these pointers are no longer work, forcing major revisions in the < 1359634981 180364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I might read zzo38 fan fiction. < 1359635004 285370 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet addquote (this parenthetical messes with fizzie's stats) < 1359635004 689624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1359635015 235997 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359635046 582979 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359635231 981097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, did Fiora leave? < 1359635680 305762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a highlight-cell-and-transpose happen, and it looks kinda silly, but oh-well. < 1359635907 805023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you look about "third reddest" to me < 1359636246 441416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I should add (on the non-labeled edges) a line-plot showing the overall marginal distribution, as well as the highlighted nick's one. < 1359638432 551706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the hell < 1359638444 845707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scp -r'ing everything from my account at Farmingdale to home < 1359638457 449750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be just downloading a lot of Factor related stuff repetitively < 1359638596 12826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe not repetitively < 1359638876 670985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put a lot of stuff on there that I don't really need a copy of I guess < 1359638878 688760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So bleh < 1359638887 738918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to at least keep my picolisp code < 1359638949 894066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about your ada code < 1359639065 324572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not written any Ada code. < 1359639822 44306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359640142 138707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359643343 960546 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359646018 886653 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1359646385 221240 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359647255 342280 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other Gregor jerk is trying to snag my nick. < 1359647260 81390 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeps logging in whenever I'm not using it. < 1359647493 3711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a jerk < 1359647505 803070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what i'd expect from someone named Gregor !! < 1359647580 58495 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: set protect < 1359647580 454734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered changing your name to Tertbe? < 1359647619 837334 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I used to have protect on, but I have a BNC, so every time I get disconnected my BNC stays connected with my nick for a while without authenticating. < 1359647639 316430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1359647703 673749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably make my BNC auth, but I'm lazy and don't know how. < 1359647790 508749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :TwilightSpockle < 1359647899 159487 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwilightSpockle: this network accepts nickserv passwords with PASSWORD < 1359647941 587187 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That makes it pretty easy then X-D < 1359647989 877614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwilightSpockle: imo Tertbe would be betTer < 1359648018 72251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DO YOU GET THE JOKE. THE JOKE IS THE ROT13 OF YOUR NAME IS AN ANAGRAM FOR "BETTER") < 1359648026 88700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I CAPITALIZED A LETTER THERE TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS) < 1359648054 898775 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1359648056 701790 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA < 1359648181 147963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where hackego < 1359649675 80192 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359649687 675630 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1359649705 102703 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program in the topic seems vaguely similar? < 1359649724 944506 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this perhaps come from a code golfing competition? < 1359649736 200246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to what? < 1359649751 64160 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar or equal to a program I saw before < 1359649786 810966 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I might just be the 2 arrays < 1359649844 99875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that program? < 1359650339 848037 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359650458 816235 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one behaviour is dropping the first character of a single input line. can't remember who told me that there were other alternatives. < 1359650490 987465 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be subleq interpreter < 1359650511 298882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1359650731 97509 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must have been one of those HASHA CHAF. < 1359651115 701031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn's out one can find the stortest non occuring sequence within n^2 steps. < 1359651492 17407 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359652133 808458 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1359652540 154414 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359654348 353058 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359656772 47697 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359656788 763590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you mean subsequence? of a sequence of length n? < 1359657105 262323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?shortest+non+occuring+sequence < 1359657163 601450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding a sequence of characters not present in another sequence of characters < 1359657220 394239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i thought < 1359657367 225548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359657392 870752 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can enumerate all substrings, sort them < 1359657406 163065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :go through the sorted list and find where something is missing in that order. < 1359657441 865865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably around (2*n^2*log(n^2)) or something < 1359657452 63453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, brute-force is far more efficient. < 1359657502 932899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can generate all variations (where there are m^k+m^(k-1)+m^(k-2)..., where m = alphabet size) < 1359657542 258694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check if the string contains that variations. < 1359657554 107197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> brute forcing a solution. < 1359657574 348171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :brute force is way faster than the first method. < 1359657599 35956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not seeing how you're getting n^2 for the first method anyway < 1359657607 836794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I initially thought brute force is exponential < 1359657612 700350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on < 1359657612 926355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as generating variations is exponential. < 1359657622 310959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay i see it < 1359657637 836409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are n*n(+1)*0.5 substrings of a string < 1359657647 925488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are O(n^2) possible consecutive substrings < 1359657669 994176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, brute-force finds a solution in at max. n*(n+1)*0.5+1 steps. < 1359657711 2187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...really both of these methods are a kind of brute force < 1359657721 665533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they both have the same asymptotic time bound < 1359657732 314283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only question is which is shortest to code < 1359657746 465104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359657761 701044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured the first method is not technically brute force < 1359657774 195003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't try every variation < 1359657782 11476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it locates a solution < 1359657801 19920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1359657820 361792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since sorting is n*log(n) < 1359657830 406671 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to sort ~n^2 substrings < 1359657850 278711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :means that the first method is probably O(n^2*log(n^2)) < 1359657859 705815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :while brute force is just O(n^2) < 1359657995 572615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there are only n^2 non-solutions < 1359658012 551492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will find a solution within n^2+1 steps < 1359658018 827103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimate worst-case < 1359658027 77788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1359658027 806323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual worst-case is lower than n^2 for brute force < 1359658041 149174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1359658074 324006 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the first algorithm in O(n^2) by using a linear time sort < 1359658076 664677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359658093 34231 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itll only be slower than the second by a constant < 1359658109 313547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1359658116 263153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359658119 3590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even same time < 1359658128 456146 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you linear sort? < 1359658138 573468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1359658155 896689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll agree that strings of abcde are just base 5 numbers < 1359658173 57826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1359658182 968200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so convert each found substring into its number, and throw it into an array at that position < 1359658184 728096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1359658186 862130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1359658189 943167 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :distribution sort? < 1359658190 519366 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're done, scan for the first empty slot < 1359658218 235771 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1359658316 136016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wastes a lot of memory < 1359658317 323051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah. < 1359658394 295040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1359658410 991510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the alphabet size is only 3 < 1359658418 203534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can convert it into a sat problem < 1359658448 50583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :works also for m > 3, but it's getting exponential to convert it < 1359658740 684729 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359658771 375972 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1359658777 998046 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, google translate thinks that "Gwleidyddiaeth" is english < 1359658802 412678 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359658804 860156 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, you think it's not? lol, what a gwleidyddiaeth. < 1359658809 285597 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 Newyddion, Chwaraeon, Gwleidyddiaeth, Darluniau ac unrhyw beth arall yn perthyn i Gymru! < 1359658811 485920 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arjlqqvba, Pujnenrba, Tjyrvqlqqvnrgu, Qneyhavnh np haeulj orgu nenyy la cregula v Tlzeh! < 1359658881 124267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's not rot13? < 1359658991 351448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1359658993 572004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@base 5 < 1359658993 756111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: ask babel paste < 1359659025 275820 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assign each character a digit? < 1359659035 567579 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> 0, b -> 1, c -> 2 ...? < 1359659114 152443 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you encode aaaaaa and aa in that? < 1359659127 599845 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 Je pense que je vais m'en tenir à mes fausses lettres et me tenir loin de cette aberration imprononçable! < 1359659128 177539 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wr crafr dhr wr invf z'ra grave à zrf snhffrf yrggerf rg zr grave ybva qr prggr noreengvba vzcebabaçnoyr! < 1359659253 222981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't differentiate between aaaa and aa that way < 1359659901 501657 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-70.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1359659967 620600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's not finnish < 1359660411 872342 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, it is not. < 1359660538 595549 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's Welsh < 1359660742 2185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "wr" is welsh for man, husband or water < 1359660837 267137 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-70.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the pronunciation the same as the spelling? < 1359660852 511718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the pronunciation is also welsh < 1359661292 11437 :impomatic!~digital_w@148.54.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronunciation is a bit weird. 'f' is pronounced like 'v'. 'll' is pronounced like 'hl'. < 1359661424 989026 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359661932 681504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359662227 486047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: welsh ll is a letter all of its own < 1359662230 800418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere between hl and chl < 1359662274 522927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of misleading AIUI < 1359662342 77671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an l, but with less space between your tongue and the roof of your mouth and no voicing < 1359662399 585504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a more accurate description, but a harder one to audialize < 1359662400 317449 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359662428 566549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the klingon tlh? < 1359662461 321086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know klingon < 1359662503 937805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes without the t at the start, i think < 1359662546 720397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you're in company where no-one knows both, you can always say either "that's just like welsh ll" or "that's just like klingon tlh" < 1359662589 416496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the klingon tlh doesn't actually have anything that sounds like t in it, but I might be mixing my klingon up < 1359662619 378193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wp it's what i described except you start with the airflow completely blocked < 1359662794 17597 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359663105 935625 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359663293 44596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359663355 929531 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359663515 896334 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Haskell < 1359663520 649348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' < 1359663529 520425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1359663540 443984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but that syntax isn't even in haskell" < 1359663567 636204 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ty f`?haskell`x < 1359663579 74093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type f`?haskell`x < 1359663580 739879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `?haskell' < 1359663598 687569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ty ?haskell < 1359663600 997209 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :̀? wisdom < 1359663610 245258 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359663611 183444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ?haskell < 1359663612 751228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?haskell::t) => t < 1359663613 244179 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1359663615 247856 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry < 1359663625 652991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ty might only work in PMs < 1359663626 862328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradox lololoololololololol < 1359663629 965738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just :t < 1359663634 990624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works in #haskell, but maybe not other channels < 1359663635 546410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t might only work in PMs < 1359663636 571293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t () < 1359663636 754810 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. thought that HackEgo was borked. < 1359663637 242454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `in' < 1359663637 788920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1359663639 543259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359663641 896675 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? C < 1359663643 699350 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault < 1359663643 973099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ?haskell < 1359663645 561691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?haskell::t) => t < 1359663650 266038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2 + 2 = 5 in "you have not been paying attention" < 1359663651 832855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "you have not been paying attention" < 1359663684 128775 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? windows < 1359663686 22221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359663691 643939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1359663693 553219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. (see also: d-modules) < 1359663802 190225 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1359663803 978945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? He is also tire. < 1359663812 621180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tire < 1359663812 821660 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rabbi < 1359663814 208649 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rabbi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359663814 392054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tire? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359663857 278654 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359663859 215261 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359663875 338726 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1359663877 92849 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359663893 551223 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1359663896 325689 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Tanebventions include D-modules and automatic squirrel feeders < 1359663900 314292 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359663917 499479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought automatic squirrels fed themselves < 1359663932 607321 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so an automatic squirrel feeder was a very easy invention < 1359663954 684802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just put some food on the ground where squirrels will be able to eat it? < 1359663959 958579 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the man eating chicken? < 1359663964 504399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more automatic than catching the squirrel so you can give it some food < 1359663967 593741 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?d-module < 1359663969 438407 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?d-module: not found < 1359663972 232190 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?d-modules < 1359663973 697638 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?d-modules: not found < 1359663974 781015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ThatOtherPerson < 1359663976 987367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359663977 266023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME ThatOtherPerson < 1359663979 403070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THATOTHERPERSON: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1359663985 414603 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercom ThatOtherPerson < 1359663986 669975 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wercom: not found < 1359663990 766965 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome ThatOtherPerson < 1359663992 46412 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wercome: not found < 1359663994 76293 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1359663996 51481 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, there's a space < 1359663999 781419 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel very welcomed. < 1359664001 35884 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wercome isn't there anymore? < 1359664001 923228 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359664006 905585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1359664008 734756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1359664014 743305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcome < 1359664016 78346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wehlcome: not found < 1359664033 520452 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wElCoMe ThatOtherPerson < 1359664034 708792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt ThatOtherPerson is new < 1359664034 894376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wElCoMe: not found < 1359664039 300044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they wouldn't have known to do `? < 1359664039 485792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we only have boring correctly spelled welcome commands now!? outrageous < 1359664054 479664 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because I have once again mentioned the glory of HackEgo in another channel < 1359664062 644193 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was talking to Taneb about it < 1359664065 551102 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologize again < 1359664068 539167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh, I see < 1359664072 435867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they came to try out HackEgo < 1359664075 671977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is indeed glorious < 1359664088 661684 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm interested in esoteric languages < 1359664090 340615 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, it's actually a linux system running as root < 1359664095 191999 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I might as well stay < 1359664097 9668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you can probably measure HackEgo versus EgoBot usage ratio to see how ontopic the cahannel is < 1359664111 155226 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still use EgoBot? < 1359664113 814769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are topics? < 1359664116 789272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the man eating chicken is just a normal man, it's quite common to eat chicken in some parts of the world < 1359664117 454797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: exactly < 1359664121 235613 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359664123 510708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this channel is meant to be for discussing esolangs < 1359664125 738997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just we so rarely do < 1359664141 788179 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/wisdom < 1359664143 356974 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/wisdom: No such file or directory < 1359664146 779229 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1359664148 206474 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? \ ? \ ⌨ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ $1? \ ais523 \ america \ atriq \ atrix \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bike \ boily \ bonvenon \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ c \ cakeprophet \ california \ category \ claustrophobia \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ cyberiad \ devious \ d-module \ egobot \ ehird \ elliot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ endomorphis < 1359664152 139132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/* < 1359664153 614979 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*: No such file or directory < 1359664158 272473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? $1? < 1359664159 15686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that we've talked about any esolangs for months but BF Joust and Radixal!!!!, and the occasional brainfuck when someone comes in asking for help with it < 1359664159 850356 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$1? ��\(��_o)/�� < 1359664166 15146 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1359664168 215307 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1359664169 736498 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1359664174 302502 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1359664175 219094 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but then, what about J? < 1359664179 863807 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, me, oerjan and Arc_Koen sometimes talk about Fueue < 1359664181 5516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is the joke that you lied < 1359664184 640438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J isn't normally considered an esolang < 1359664186 322270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh right < 1359664186 911004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can someone fix that smiley < 1359664192 399840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i was asking about SK calculus < 1359664204 985260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also quite interesting discussion of wang tiles and the like < 1359664230 874595 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ? < 1359664232 565417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/? < 1359664232 837781 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359664247 144460 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/? < 1359664248 493630 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1"; \ else echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; < 1359664257 791745 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1359664259 611896 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​kݝ < 1359664269 438410 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... somewhat curtailed < 1359664292 301103 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apt-get < 1359664294 8198 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt 0.8.10.3 for amd64 compiled on Apr 15 2011 07:35:31 \ Usage: apt-get [options] command \ apt-get [options] install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...] \ apt-get [options] source pkg1 [pkg2 ...] \ \ apt-get is a simple command line interface for downloading and \ installing packages. The most frequently used commands are update \ and install. < 1359664304 590213 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have got to be kidding me < 1359664311 14238 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo has apt installed!? < 1359664319 826171 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1359664321 689599 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zAr1%b{IL@^Ċ)(Я;'s'# \ Q9"Jh=ƸxXvP!1!eM:66{M>#ay؜z¯̠93XՕ^P4Nl;iay; < 1359664356 878582 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python --version < 1359664358 402939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 < 1359664362 902156 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python < 1359664376 875143 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python --version < 1359664378 475155 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 < 1359664384 148009 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, it's not interactive < 1359664394 65640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Oct 13 2010, 20:26:16) \ [GCC 4.4.4] on linux2 \ Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. \ >>> < 1359664397 391146 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I din't think it would be < 1359664415 186341 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checking to see if it would hang < 1359664425 179022 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it timed out < 1359664430 671975 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surprisingly hard to break HackEgo. < 1359664439 675013 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1359664447 46610 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`reboot < 1359664447 230536 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-70.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359664448 499926 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: reboot: not found < 1359664454 317388 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359664454 546966 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, it's in a mercurial repository < 1359664458 839333 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can just revert < 1359664464 110646 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second... < 1359664467 902412 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm -rf / < 1359664469 355772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `rm --help' for more information. < 1359664477 611817 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm -r -f / < 1359664478 974800 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `rm --help' for more information. < 1359664481 393128 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf /* < 1359664488 80708 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1359664500 862765 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1359664520 247671 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I was actually working on something before I came here < 1359664533 206996 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1359664549 531038 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1359664553 326480 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1359664558 879787 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python --version < 1359664564 381747 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/bin/bash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/rbash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/sh': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/ln': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/uname': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/stty': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bi < 1359664575 328288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 < 1359664577 235547 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var < 1359664578 510286 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1359664578 929686 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​= 0 \ bin \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run~ \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359664604 39632 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359664608 431921 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote plastic spoon < 1359664610 230911 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :413) Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon < 1359664610 476380 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359664634 668291 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359664637 988437 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, do you intend to become a regular here? < 1359664641 510917 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a plastic spoon and sufficient yogurt to swirl around and i will compute the universe < 1359664641 696189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1359664644 480503 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1359664651 890913 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe? < 1359664659 759683 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf so fucking monoid you don't even know < 1359664659 943539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1359664661 168488 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you read Homestuck or Order of the Stick? < 1359664661 643849 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359664662 583704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote as long as you're in company where no-one knows both, you can always say either "that's just like welsh ll" or "that's just like klingon tlh" < 1359664663 23685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1359664666 317829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :943) as long as you're in company where no-one knows both, you can always say either "that's just like welsh ll" or "that's just like klingon tlh" < 1359664668 980035 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I'm really contributing to the conversation < 1359664675 966968 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what conversation < 1359664676 534994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python -c 'print "Hello, world!"' < 1359664678 259769 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "", line 1 \ 'print "Hello, world!"' \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent < 1359664684 299140 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: homestuck < 1359664687 808985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359664689 367404 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359664695 258886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: don't worry, a conversation will contribute to you some day. < 1359664699 235985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /bin/list < 1359664700 666714 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/list: No such file or directory < 1359664701 626172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(be careful of fridays, they bite) < 1359664705 226960 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/list < 1359664706 567639 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1359664707 22481 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1359664707 340023 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359664707 633266 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359664710 340426 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1359664719 73951 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname < 1359664720 407115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1359664724 123113 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1359664724 996731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1359664725 565179 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1359664726 418600 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1359664734 188242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot" > bin/list < 1359664737 755637 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359664740 143652 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1359664741 615594 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1359664753 75740 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's our "there's been an update" thing < 1359664759 659452 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359664764 468005 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty hilarious < 1359664765 491622 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am all of the first three names... < 1359664779 900388 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: so, what are your thoughts on monoids < 1359664782 655275 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps aux < 1359664784 565207 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND \ 0 1 0.0 0.1 912 276 ? S 20:39 0:00 /init \ 0 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 20:39 0:00 [kthreadd] \ 0 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 20:39 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] \ 0 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? < 1359664792 997663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : :t might only work in PMs <-- the other way around, actually < 1359664797 888379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uptime < 1359664798 919220 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 20:39:58 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 < 1359664804 69835 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I currently don't have a single thought on monoids < 1359664807 469945 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1359664815 371374 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUt I'm about to get some < 1359664818 261063 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: prepare for enlightenment < 1359664818 789474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every HackEgo command boots a user mode linux machine, right? < 1359664819 854250 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha, I knew there was something special about it < 1359664867 687404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1359664873 381329 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: okay, my current thoughts on monoids run something like: "It's way too late for me to be able to understand this stuff" < 1359664880 891547 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359664886 263477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in before beaky < 1359664896 608439 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in after beaky mo' like < 1359664907 540026 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: it's just like multiplication! but less so. < 1359664914 350947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/tanebventions wisdom/tanebvention < 1359664917 930271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359664938 93688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: I hear they're easy. < 1359664942 900771 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1359664975 446131 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, did you learn Groups in maths? < 1359664989 907604 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359665067 604558 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1359665088 508847 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sets? < 1359665095 931264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme olsner < 1359665098 301557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohlsnehr: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1359665116 987630 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You shouldn't underestimate people so much < 1359665127 907161 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sets, yes < 1359665141 574030 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359665185 543117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, a monoid is a set plus an operation, <>, and a blessed element of the set, e, such that the following rules are followed: < 1359665194 814367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote boily: the man eating chicken is just a normal man, it's quite common to eat chicken in some parts of the world < 1359665198 456930 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :944) boily: the man eating chicken is just a normal man, it's quite common to eat chicken in some parts of the world < 1359665209 524866 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any a and b in the set, a <> b is in the set (closure) < 1359665229 871534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, sets < 1359665235 498909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like worst foundation ever < 1359665250 366147 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any a, b, and c in the set, a <> (b <> c) is the same as (a <> b) <> c (associativity) < 1359665252 177063 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too tired to think < 1359665261 492199 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any a in the set, a <> e = e <> a = a < 1359665263 365348 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: good news, a group is actually like a set, but you just apply a mathematical operation to any two of its elements to form a third one < 1359665270 889142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: um... < 1359665273 32479 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther'es lots of ways to define 'the monoid' < 1359665273 216166 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, that's a magma < 1359665275 357684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a magma < 1359665281 980586 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i forgot how monoids work with categories already. something about endomorphisms??? < 1359665285 243808 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh just keep it simple < 1359665288 230587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also can someone fix that smiley <-- actually that particular smiley is broken on purpose < 1359665288 457119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1359665295 209715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't lie to people. < 1359665295 393325 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do magmas guarantee closure? < 1359665301 17705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's blatantly a magma and not a group < 1359665305 5758 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: those are categorical monoids < 1359665310 697122 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: different thing < 1359665313 727732 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ < 1359665315 572758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes magmas have closure < 1359665324 244144 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fuck foundations < 1359665382 959836 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example of a monoid is integers under addition < 1359665388 662198 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another is functions under composition < 1359665395 130519 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1359665396 39487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all functions < 1359665397 404405 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: the inverse is probably the important part of groups, to distinguish them from "all those other things" anyway < 1359665399 16011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1359665400 684978 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOME FUNCTIONS < 1359665403 184032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1359665409 192793 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :endofunctors?? < 1359665415 885284 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions that all have the same domain and range < 1359665417 887564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY endofunctions < 1359665419 778988 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait < 1359665438 203850 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :endomorphisms on...Set.... < 1359665438 388215 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't a group specifiable as a magma < 1359665447 471273 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that even mean < 1359665448 270994 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magma "with some properties" < 1359665456 787036 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, all groups are magmas, the opposite is not true < 1359665477 782761 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :A group is a magma with associativity, an identity elem I guess < 1359665480 553619 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an inverse < 1359665497 537242 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of inverse < 1359665504 756757 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a bunch of things had a "party" (the party is a magma) and then a bunch of things that the first group of things fucking hate (the inverses) and then they all kill each other but can never escape (closure??) < 1359665531 498054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a loop < 1359665534 699264 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need identity < 1359665543 577791 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1359665546 875058 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok add a boring dude < 1359665554 580528 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's not a loop < 1359665572 126471 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did say it was a magma, don't magmas have identities? < 1359665573 741843 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :um taneb < 1359665578 315566 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops need an identity < 1359665590 889298 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :since loops are quasigroups with an identity elem. < 1359665597 655977 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ope no they don't < 1359665603 140426 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I remembered that < 1359665608 675612 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also forgot associativity bike < 1359665616 403887 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're quasigroups < 1359665620 38458 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just start out with monoids it will make everything easier < 1359665624 777134 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1359665628 744518 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm overestimating magmas yeah < 1359665631 185045 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid superiority < 1359665645 368700 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Magma_to_group2.svg are these names supposed to make any sense < 1359665679 285028 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1359665688 197137 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did I just guess wrong < 1359665724 931597 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1359665735 190820 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway so now ThatOtherPerson is like totally an algebraist, to the max, yo. < 1359665748 561653 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1359665750 417186 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I haven't been following < 1359665759 791537 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing happened don't worry < 1359665771 370907 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, there's a lot of things with different names < 1359665782 658979 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These things have different properties too < 1359665800 44962 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/coppro < 1359665803 141822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359665805 60645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing keeps highlighting me < 1359665838 878397 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an insatiable thirst for coppro knowledge < 1359665844 423723 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my current thinkability is -10 beard-seconds < 1359665853 648678 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1359665857 38390 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beard-seconds measures speed < 1359665858 151986 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you put that in SI? < 1359665866 653700 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1359665867 868568 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Length < 1359665877 799856 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's about a nanometre, iirc < 1359665905 875280 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 or 10 nm, looking it up < 1359665911 189838 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is ThatOtherPerson. < 1359665915 273979 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need for a ring again? < 1359665918 535924 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it was a mistake. the true measure of thinkability is in beards per second < 1359665919 876088 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is thinkability measured in speed......... < 1359665932 156405 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: depends on who you ask < 1359665941 204063 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings are one of those things people have trouble agreeing on : ) < 1359665951 133341 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwilightSpockle: he's that other person you don't know < 1359665951 439604 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1359665959 605395 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do rings have a multiplicative identity????nobody knows < 1359665961 406725 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I asked you < 1359665971 707012 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can rings just be "they have multiplication and addition" and then we agree to pretend we don't care about the rest of the details, or "deets" for short < 1359665973 797472 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: Indeed. < 1359665999 436807 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: aren't matrices a ring? < 1359666011 667406 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in a < 1359666018 548622 :azaq23!~derivecto@HSI-KBW-46-223-43-125.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1359666019 714267 :azaq23!~derivecto@HSI-KBW-46-223-43-125.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Changing host < 1359666019 898195 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359666021 508261 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have identity.. < 1359666027 615865 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1359666030 365747 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also; note n x n matrices) < 1359666039 556324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes n*n matrices form a ring < 1359666047 160982 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just means that there's a ring with an identity, not that rings have to have id < 1359666048 690903 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but wait < 1359666053 503422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1359666054 462949 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1359666055 951768 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1359666079 874012 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which revert < 1359666081 519432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359666082 947492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coppro < 1359666084 726523 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro prefers his nickname, Pooppy. < 1359666105 903763 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we at least change the filename if you want it? < 1359666111 428523 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike being highlighted by `ls wisdom < 1359666188 661208 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1359666190 136705 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​= 0 \ bin \ canary \ dbg.out \ egobot.tar.xz \ etc \ factor \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ foo \ foo.err \ foo.out \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ quotese \ run~ \ share \ test \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1359666266 145738 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359666316 901918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1359666319 86782 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? \ ? \ ⌨ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ $1? \ ais523 \ america \ atriq \ atrix \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bike \ boily \ bonvenon \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ c \ cakeprophet \ california \ category \ claustrophobia \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ cyberiad \ devious \ d-module \ egobot \ ehird \ elliot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ endomorphis < 1359666326 353262 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP IT :| < 1359666338 302248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1359666339 860700 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? \ ? \ ⌨ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ $1? \ ais523 \ america \ atriq \ atrix \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bike \ boily \ bonvenon \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ c \ cakeprophet \ california \ category \ claustrophobia \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ cyberiad \ devious \ d-module \ egobot \ ehird \ elliot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ endomorphis < 1359666348 726554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, people < 1359666353 313782 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should change your name to z'augur < 1359666353 497233 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1359666354 913252 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1359666355 962256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like being nickpinged this much for bad reasons :( < 1359666364 506017 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :z'ais523 < 1359666375 107608 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :z'monqy: :| < 1359666399 52689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m is already good enough for this purpose < 1359666408 271750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mv wisdom/coppro wisdom/c.oppro < 1359666409 827504 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: missing destination file operand after `wisdom/coppro wisdom/c.oppro' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. < 1359666413 751836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/coppro wisdom/c.oppro < 1359666417 251878 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359666420 503502 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsk "banach-tarski" obviously has zero measure < 1359666435 596891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/ais523 wisdom/a.is523 < 1359666439 48805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359666442 701404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATISFIED? < 1359666442 886266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about we just don't do ls wisdom < 1359666445 977475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than moving all enrties to dumb things < 1359666447 996916 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1359666459 883235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/a.is523 wisdom/ais523; mv wisdom/c.oppro wisdom/coppro < 1359666463 612005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359666472 250094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively we can like pad out the start of the directory with a bunch of junk files if people relaly can't stop themselves < 1359666473 22446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but how are we then going to know what wisdom there is! < 1359666477 207756 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zalgo.hs < 1359666478 590642 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: zalgo.hs: not found < 1359666479 372156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1359666480 707948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are unknown unknowns < 1359666483 303232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need a bunch of junk files < 1359666488 559401 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat zalgo.hs < 1359666488 742765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway `run ls wisdom | patse works < 1359666489 813255 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random;main=mapM_((>>(י=<bin/pastewisdom < 1359666620 65699 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHCi, version 7.6.1: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ :? for help \ Loading package ghc-prim ... linking ... done. \ Loading package integer-gmp ... linking ... done. \ Loading package base ... linking ... done. \ Prelude> < 1359666623 93778 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359666624 851464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/opt/ghc/bin/ghci < 1359666627 291017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom < 1359666633 304518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26256 < 1359666654 463590 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc < 1359666660 449960 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: no input files \ Usage: For basic information, try the `--help' option. < 1359666667 556497 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc --help < 1359666667 740287 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc < 1359666673 462820 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: \ \ ghc [command-line-options-and-input-files] \ \ To compile and link a complete Haskell program, run the compiler like \ so: \ \ ghc --make Main \ \ where the module Main is in a file named Main.hs (or Main.lhs) in the \ current directory. The other modules in the program will be located \ and compiled automatically, and the l < 1359666674 421879 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gcc < 1359666675 580694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1359666678 722446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359666683 467705 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ghc < 1359666687 124409 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359666688 373214 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc zalgo.hs < 1359666688 739766 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zalgoerjan < 1359666693 770605 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ zalgo.hs:1:8: \ Could not find module `Random' \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell98-2.0.0.2'. \ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1359666695 896269 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :o̎e̓r̄j͉a̻n̞ ͍ < 1359666751 329015 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zalgørjan < 1359666754 676274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: zalgørjan: not found < 1359666783 375091 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn GHC is a cat that lives in Glasgow and is called Haskell, after mathematician and logician Haskell Curry, who hated the name. < 1359666787 117033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359666817 234987 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which learn < 1359666820 120841 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/learn < 1359666830 944599 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/learn < 1359666833 960519 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | sed 's/ .*//' | tr A-Z a-z) \ info=$(echo "$1" | sed 's/[^ ]* //') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "I knew that." < 1359666853 995563 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1359666857 307209 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot open directory wisdom: Permission denied < 1359666869 690351 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1359666878 2957 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? GHC < 1359666880 475331 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try pastewisdom. < 1359666881 691756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC is a cat that lives in Glasgow and is called Haskell, after mathematician and logician Haskell Curry, who hated the name. < 1359666889 774409 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom < 1359666895 99180 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31978 < 1359666901 1124 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1359666903 980675 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coffee < 1359666905 770284 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -ld wisdom < 1359666908 222874 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is a strange hot brown liquid, often consumed, sometimes with milk and sugar. It contains chemicals considered stimulants. < 1359666910 730943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-wx--x--x 2 5000 5000 4096 Jan 31 21:13 wisdom < 1359666916 809412 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell < 1359666919 102875 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who did that? < 1359666936 91075 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan two minutes ago < 1359666945 274039 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if that'll work properly in Mercurial >_> < 1359666951 536291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so coppro wouldn't be pinged so often < 1359666960 494198 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk and sugar in coffee are evil! < 1359666966 474347 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? narutoversee < 1359666969 995174 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :narutoverse is a place where they haven't heard of having a bus factor of >1. < 1359666980 571118 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I like milk, sugar, coffee, and water separately < 1359666983 220397 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how this is right after morphism < 1359666991 540909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to have a bus factor between 0 and 1? < 1359666999 315467 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1359667000 732495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, generally, non-integer? < 1359667002 977371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. < 1359667011 290908 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1359667015 533207 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1359667020 284543 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Gamzee. < 1359667022 891492 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1359667025 550862 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gamzee < 1359667026 711675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1359667026 895987 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gamzee < 1359667029 753646 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamzee? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359667032 223739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamzee? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359667034 25290 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck what's a gamzee < 1359667038 627593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1359667041 936500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url wisdom < 1359667046 186577 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/wisdom < 1359667046 437604 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Gamzee is an alien clown that you just cannot keep down. < 1359667048 139837 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's a clown. < 1359667050 122544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359667053 182124 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :An evil clown. < 1359667054 23614 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck clowns < 1359667058 508295 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART #esoteric :"bbl" < 1359667062 990905 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :A clown you cannot keep down. < 1359667068 278377 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Gamzee is an alien clown that you just cannot keep down, hated by many. < 1359667069 692434 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe if someone is hit by a bus and paralyzed but only in one side < 1359667071 987794 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359667093 280128 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Gamzee < 1359667096 879406 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamzee is an alien clown that you just cannot keep down, hated by many. < 1359667101 520344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not very useful < 1359667108 604750 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if hg is temporarily adding +r to index the dir... < 1359667112 493277 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ThatOtherPerson not someone who was here before < 1359667151 323519 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? everyone < 1359667155 91951 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in here is mad. < 1359667164 132602 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfeuh. I'm not mad, just a fool. < 1359667177 598145 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pi < 1359667181 260459 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi is a very round number. < 1359667185 454553 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pie < 1359667189 238991 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like pie \ I like pie < 1359667204 250855 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`burma < 1359667207 532043 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? burma < 1359667207 715973 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: burma: not found < 1359667211 579595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Bike < 1359667221 734142 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, `? burma < 1359667260 268266 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burma is a mystical land of over two dozen ceasefires in as many years < 1359667276 49185 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? saudi < 1359667279 895834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :saudi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1359667280 807888 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my grandfather was stationed there at some point < 1359667282 981272 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burma, that is < 1359667292 607542 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwii? < 1359667300 154341 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-wwii, I think < 1359667309 167973 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :50's, maybe < 1359667312 309253 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a lot of people's grandfathers were stationed there at some point < 1359667334 470879 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they were there to pretend the KMT weren't utterly fucked or something < 1359667357 805785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a story about how he, because it was so cold at night, kept a bottle of beer under his bed at night and had it as a lollipop during the day < 1359667378 398599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo 'echo http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/') >bin/pastewisdom < 1359667382 9641 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1359667426 819346 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1359667429 943159 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/pastewisdom < 1359667430 802480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. < 1359667433 252542 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/pastewisdom < 1359667438 870935 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastewisdom < 1359667442 121886 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ < 1359667454 816618 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coolio < 1359667471 325335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Pietbot < 1359667475 273188 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot is the only thing that can defeat fungot. < 1359667484 409924 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to rewrite pietbot < 1359667499 79359 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean "write" < 1359667501 164021 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359667501 746849 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359667502 821100 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first... < 1359667506 124708 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1359667532 214533 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. Best summarized by http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05743.gif < 1359667532 461718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359667536 90749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1359667549 905330 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1359667553 666812 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. Best summarized by http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05743.gif < 1359667564 614991 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one of those is gamzee < 1359667584 16612 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :none < 1359667619 175340 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck, then who's driving the damn bus? < 1359667718 350975 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this one's gamzee: http://goo.gl/5eoRG < 1359667761 432010 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some pretty avant-garde clowning he's got going < 1359667824 945651 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: as is this one: http://goo.gl/AE8co < 1359667879 847726 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't look the same at all. i don't think they're the same one. < 1359667901 863188 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, one isn't canon < 1359667951 884283 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT HOMESTUCK??? I need to leave. quickly. < 1359667971 224536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Try some Underload instead)S < 1359667971 408695 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try some Underload instead < 1359667983 693555 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359668009 898813 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359668059 939817 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you get this homestuck thing? < 1359668060 123664 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: description: this routine is called indirect because the visible screen area starts at first sight. look at them even if it was an ascii colon, 58 ( 3a) to determine what machine lan- guage. functions which return a random number generator for games. < 1359668073 723328 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... no. < 1359668080 271797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1359668080 455532 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1359668081 323752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((::**)~^)((((:(((((((((((_)(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)(!^))~*^^S!)(:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)):^(()~)~**~^(:)~((a(~^)*~**)~a)~a(**~:((:)~(*)**)~a*~(^))**a(~*^^^!!^)***(~)~a(~a*^:)**a(:)**~^!!!a(~^)*~**)~a((, )S:^)**^):^ < 1359668082 828592 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3, 13, 1113, 3113, 132113, 1113122113, 311311222113, 13211321322113, 1113122113121113222113, 31131122211311123113322113, 132113213221133112132123222113, 11131221131211132221232112111312111213322113, 31131122211311123113321112131221123113111231121123222113, 132113213221133112132123123112111311222112 ...out of time! < 1359668140 178021 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359668148 799484 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how about now? < 1359668149 163945 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you have a great appreciation for the fine arts. you use the hammer and nails. they will come a day < 1359668164 795034 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "there"? < 1359668227 106449 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's fungot? < 1359668227 533927 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: examine the wall behind a door there? or why he always was a little cagey, even when discussing the proper thanks. two more large gizmos. it was once the island < 1359668235 289021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows ThatOtherPerson < 1359668263 297491 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does he know the number of the first page of homestuck? < 1359668276 973237 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359668299 787010 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are you? < 1359668300 26133 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? < 1359668305 195583 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are you? < 1359668305 563799 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: a place perhaps the only who enjoys the feel of the brittle human calcium based skull, it would be the concept of a soul isn't forfeit in service of informing them how stupid they were being insincere for the benefit of the doubt? < 1359668330 446580 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you creating some sort of Markov chain? < 1359668330 735354 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: what the hell is that? it's so depressing, you can't out troll me in these like < 1359668365 942365 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :^stule < 1359668370 159974 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1359668370 343204 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1359668385 563814 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1359668385 747170 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1359668396 715346 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hello? < 1359668401 161150 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359668409 648922 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are you? < 1359668413 369184 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has a style that's fed by its own inane jabbering? X-D < 1359668413 859004 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwilightSpockle: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let?! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's < 1359668427 755501 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot doesn't like ThatOtherPerson? < 1359668428 47313 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1359668428 231266 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwilightSpockle: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has more bizarre results. it was, that he was overcome with the vastness, profundity, and fnord bray, remember me; and with an awe that is almost superstitious. i should perhaps make a few of those virtues which is the bit-reversal of the statement is encountered, it is also readily than they just never put things into < 1359668439 595963 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1359668439 779475 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1359668462 157380 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is this human emotion called friendship? < 1359668462 340900 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: try again. < 1359668473 847471 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What pumpkin? < 1359668474 158974 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: not that it would actually bother pitying you. and anyway, the thing gives a shit in the veil. < 1359668481 710120 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1359668508 687900 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's creating sentences from sentences in homestuck < 1359668525 907620 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it must be making Markov chains or something < 1359668540 365252 :TwilightSpockle!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1359668547 364690 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1359668547 548448 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1359668559 957587 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show style < 1359668562 11389 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is homestuck? < 1359668562 244725 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: the sylladex reconfigures itself into an array of humorous and mystical artifacts, each one a devastating the battlefield in the center of the medium in which the cards present some convenience. < 1359668581 250897 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i forget how to look up the source < 1359668583 378898 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost started to sound like a proper sentence. < 1359668613 353794 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: captchalogue the cake. < 1359668613 591216 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: will that make life possible < 1359668638 553441 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: captchalogue < 1359668657 261126 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who is Betty Crocker? < 1359668668 474698 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the botspam D: < 1359668762 992769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not botspam, it's just old plain regular bot abuse (now with 20% more fibres!) < 1359668773 118457 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1359668773 303171 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1359668776 338660 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1359668776 522923 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1359668778 463639 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1359668778 647506 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1359668803 642227 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Dave Strider < 1359668810 818136 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who is dave strider? < 1359668825 470241 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he hates me now < 1359668853 381501 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1359668853 565225 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1359668861 935981 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1359668869 264094 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should answer any of your remaining questions, ThatOtherPerson < 1359668885 997298 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1359668889 943133 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lanuage is that < 1359668896 258192 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1359668910 835939 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge 98 < 1359668925 812471 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy, just follow the arrows < 1359668949 79124 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION follows the yellow brick road instead < 1359669020 845019 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, fungot is programmed to ignore people who ping him too much, HTH < 1359669021 80860 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: you have a great appreciation for the fine arts. you use the hammer and nails. they will come a day when you will be thrust into another stupid wall indent8tion in my desk with the others < 1359669074 306612 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: ah, thanks :D < 1359669083 258346 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, too much botspam < 1359669279 404989 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! that reminds me: I have a bot to sacrifice to this channel. < 1359669307 894771 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359669315 63629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1359669315 272501 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Abounding" to "Skinning" < 1359669319 326333 :Taneb|Away!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1359669330 746613 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: go ahead, make it crash. < 1359669480 689183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~what < 1359669480 890499 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1359669503 891422 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 4 < 1359669504 75284 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1359669510 54339 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1359669510 926522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval x < 1359669511 110081 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1359669513 246252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1+2 < 1359669513 429676 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1359669516 735646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a great bot boily i love it < 1359669521 418433 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a moment, have to reinstall mueval... < 1359669549 960307 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, it is as informative as that J bot...) < 1359669554 690342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ~eval 1+2 Error (127): this is a great bot boily i love it < 1359669558 368145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :945) ~eval 1+2 Error (127): this is a great bot boily i love it < 1359669568 751637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo! < 1359669570 570963 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1359669577 263541 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hangs his head in shame... < 1359669592 54460 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar < 1359669592 265316 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~metar station < 1359669597 278398 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar hello < 1359669597 461826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let 2 = 3 in 2 + 2 < 1359669597 645750 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1359669598 3497 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1359669604 181538 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar edinburgh < 1359669606 281992 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1359669608 142489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1359669608 506581 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 312144Z 27021G30KT 2SM R24L/3000V6000FT/U -SN BKN015 OVC035 M06/ RMK SC6SC2 < 1359669611 888377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1359669612 935955 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359669636 313396 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give cuttlefish 10/10 for its intuitive interface & user experience < 1359669653 707784 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGPH < 1359669654 82471 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGPH 312150Z 25012KT 9999 -SHRA SCT018TCU BKN032 06/04 Q0998 < 1359669662 421241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1359669662 604660 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little known fact about Middle Earth: The Hobbits had a very sophisticated < 1359669662 787920 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer network! It was a Tolkien Ring... < 1359669672 194490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyuk hyuk hyuk < 1359669675 946024 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are cuttlefish's axons myelinated? < 1359669694 85270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no idea. the libs I use won't compile with GHC 7.6. < 1359669708 71417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice < 1359669708 255920 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~dice sides [number] < 1359669708 440308 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice. < 1359669717 738695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is ~eval meant to do < 1359669718 785015 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I put in some help and docs! < 1359669719 389645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CTUL < 1359669719 792926 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1359669721 374285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1 < 1359669721 809442 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1359669723 335290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1359669724 796377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval fix < 1359669725 183259 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): No instance for (GHC.Show.Show ((a0 -> a0) -> a0)) < 1359669725 366854 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M8445273017039537125.show_M8445273017039537125' < 1359669725 550337 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible fix: < 1359669725 550414 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for (GHC.Show.Show ((a0 -> a0) -> a0)) < 1359669726 407210 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ~eval evals haskell. < 1359669730 774272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval fix id < 1359669731 150940 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1359669731 334842 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1359669731 334910 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M4680099139340856389.show_M4680099139340856389' < 1359669731 334956 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1359669731 335000 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1359669731 335043 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: there are several potential instances: < 1359669731 962227 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance GHC.Show.Show GHC.Types.Double < 1359669732 145785 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined in `base:GHC.Float' < 1359669732 926730 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance GHC.Show.Show GHC.Types.Float < 1359669733 110392 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined in `base:GHC.Float' < 1359669733 929675 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (GHC.Real.Integral a, GHC.Show.Show a) => < 1359669734 114052 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Real.Ratio a) < 1359669734 924314 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined in `base:GHC.Real' < 1359669735 108310 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...plus 42 others < 1359669741 111637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no extended defaulting I see < 1359669745 734215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval fix id :: () < 1359669747 961654 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1359669751 344247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great error < 1359669761 394497 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I kinda kludged something together one day... >_>... < 1359669798 540661 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for eval, I embrace the good old ed philosphy of being consistent with the error messages. < 1359669807 715165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let x :: Int; x = x in x < 1359669809 913291 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1359669821 629685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/consistent/spamming/ < 1359669835 46837 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it ain't spam, it's poetic. < 1359669848 981171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can i do file i/o with cuttlefish < 1359669855 571111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval print () < 1359669855 954569 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO ())) < 1359669856 138243 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M8663862707215102090.show_M8663862707215102090' < 1359669856 321482 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible fix: < 1359669856 321734 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO ())) < 1359669868 691618 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking love these type variables by the way < 1359669881 89318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f x = (x,x); g = f . f; h = g. g in h < 1359669883 365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t -> ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))) < 1359669884 568136 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have disabled IO I think. maybe. perhaps. I don't remember. < 1359669887 334179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f x = (x,x); g = f . f; h = g . g; i = h . h in i < 1359669888 982042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t -> ((((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359669889 165690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))))), ((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359669889 165891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359669889 166002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))))), (((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359669889 166110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))))), ((((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), < 1359669890 919695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))))), (((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, < 1359669892 954747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t)))), ((((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t))), (((t, t), (t, t)), ((t, t), (t, t)))))))) < 1359669894 660832 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1359669922 601797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let f x = (x,x); g = f . f; h = g . g; i = h . h; j = i . i; k = j . j; l = k . k; m = l . l; n = m . m; o = n . n; p = o . o; q = p . p; r = q . q; s = r. r; t = s . s; u = t . t in u () < 1359669923 770141 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359669924 887441 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1359669932 754542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it just have like a half a second time limit < 1359669953 635206 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did I put that config file again... < 1359669979 912067 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, in the future, are all ddosses going to be through difficult to typecheck bullshit < 1359669994 426255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval ap (+) succ 2 < 1359669994 893308 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1359670001 146144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval unsafeCoerce < 1359670001 517927 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Not in scope: `unsafeCoerce' < 1359670004 569535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval Unsafe.Coerce.unsafeCoerce < 1359670004 982471 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Not in scope: `Unsafe.Coerce.unsafeCoerce' < 1359670011 80487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval System.IO.Unsafe.unsafePerformIO < 1359670011 476573 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Not in scope: `System.IO.Unsafe.unsafePerformIO' < 1359670015 33994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know < 1359670018 516567 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no System.IO. < 1359670028 895027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should have 3 seconds per request. < 1359670036 40074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let unsafeCoerce v = z where z :: v; z = v where aux = const v in unsafeCoerce 32 :: () < 1359670036 389837 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Couldn't match expected type `v1' with actual type `t' < 1359670036 574748 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `v1' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1359670036 574958 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the type signature for z :: v1 at :1:35 < 1359670036 575067 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `t' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1359670036 575175 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the inferred type of unsafeCoerce :: t -> v at :1:5 < 1359670044 120510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let unsafeCoerce v = z where z :: v; z = v where aux = const v in () < 1359670044 538954 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Couldn't match expected type `v1' with actual type `t' < 1359670044 722277 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `v1' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1359670044 722455 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the type signature for z :: v1 at :1:35 < 1359670044 722562 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `t' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1359670044 722670 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the inferred type of unsafeCoerce :: t -> v at :1:5 < 1359670046 136989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1359670057 579694 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that's what I was stuck with last time. < 1359670060 299518 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to go. < 1359670067 645347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you tomorrow, maybe! < 1359670068 497308 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1359670071 968400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip boily < 1359670072 481068 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359670082 579294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed but not forgotten < 1359670089 71155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who? < 1359670091 186822 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the implication that haskell's neurons were myelinated before 7.6 though < 1359670240 755197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how's it going? < 1359670240 982603 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: just be patient, the answer, the fact remained except a note of this, since it just looks so 8ad! < 1359670293 772060 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am surrounded by balloons < 1359670305 235202 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are wishing me a happy 50th birthday < 1359670322 68776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy birthday Taneb < 1359670333 223759 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy birthday!! :D < 1359670333 736365 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I am now 50 < 1359670341 442528 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes me older than both my parents < 1359670348 983248 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :combined? < 1359670353 872177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations Taneb!!!! < 1359670354 104986 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite < 1359670439 348252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay Taneb! < 1359670449 850092 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1359670458 5899 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359670599 947282 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1359671123 609890 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1359671152 7919 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359671419 894799 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1359672135 828304 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The balloons left as swiftly as they appeared... < 1359672147 272016 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have the strangest feeling it was not the last of them. < 1359672150 582337 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you not 50 any more? < 1359672155 599773 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows < 1359672181 61208 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-131-156.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359672206 439940 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359672222 916301 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359672276 449680 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1359672313 981469 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1359672314 165354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1359672318 282668 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1359672318 466542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 52m 35s ago: Thank you! < 1359672457 648649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day. also i sent you an email back. < 1359672534 15579 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1359672538 719930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emails?!?!?! < 1359672541 132968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I get an email < 1359672566 627311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grips his email protectively < 1359672626 569753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the ocaml version was not the most recent because I made several small fixes or small modifications and I didn't want to bother zzo38 for every one of them < 1359672649 729668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh. < 1359672680 689927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'Is Jconn still here?' < 1359672680 951818 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is Jconn still here? < 1359672697 933119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'a'+'b' < 1359672698 171637 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |domain error < 1359672698 355037 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | 'a' +'b' < 1359672703 409310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEAK < 1359672724 497132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'a'^'b' < 1359672724 740174 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: |domain error < 1359672724 923573 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: | 'a' ^'b' < 1359672725 609197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'friend' < 1359672725 870976 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: friend < 1359672730 747102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1359672875 324275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If hypothetically I were to try to implement Brainfuck in J, would I use sequential machine? < 1359672885 684204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have no idea how it works but it looks possibly relevant < 1359672984 426076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (<1);(<2) < 1359672984 684284 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +---+-+ < 1359672984 868076 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |+-+|2| < 1359672984 868283 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ||1|| | < 1359672984 868390 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |+-+| | < 1359672984 868498 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: +---+-+ < 1359672999 814487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's weird < 1359673104 544480 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359673462 190008 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1359673769 723550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) <1; <2 < 1359673769 968220 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +-----+ < 1359673770 151049 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |+-+-+| < 1359673770 151207 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ||1|2|| < 1359673770 151313 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |+-+-+| < 1359673770 151429 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +-----+ < 1359673782 240551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1;2 < 1359673782 503618 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +-+-+ < 1359673782 686405 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |1|2| < 1359673782 686587 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +-+-+ < 1359673807 274925 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359673807 998294 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359673810 427975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (<1);2 < 1359673810 674715 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +---+-+ < 1359673810 857736 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |+-+|2| < 1359673810 860951 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ||1|| | < 1359673810 861078 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |+-+| | < 1359673810 861185 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +---+-+ < 1359673818 258386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (<1);(<<2) < 1359673818 497039 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +---+---+ < 1359673818 680395 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |+-+|+-+| < 1359673818 680560 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ||1|||2|| < 1359673818 680666 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |+-+|+-+| < 1359673818 680773 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +---+---+ < 1359673837 363106 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (<1);<(<2) < 1359673837 752551 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: +---+---+ < 1359673837 935944 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: |+-+|+-+| < 1359673837 936048 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: ||1|||2|| < 1359673837 936093 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: |+-+|+-+| < 1359673837 936136 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: +---+---+ < 1359673876 42604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1;(<2;(<3;(<4))) < 1359673876 256515 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +-+---------+ < 1359673876 440317 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |1|+-+-----+| < 1359673876 440492 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | ||2|+-+-+|| < 1359673876 440597 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | || ||3|4||| < 1359673876 440704 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | || |+-+-+|| < 1359673876 844789 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... < 1359673897 162712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1;(2;(3;(4))) < 1359673897 389558 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +-+-+-+-+ < 1359673897 573119 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |1|2|3|4| < 1359673897 573319 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +-+-+-+-+ < 1359673900 470809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359674824 833241 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1359674902 242392 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1359675532 782130 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359676248 814180 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric