. < 1359485204 565789 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359485276 729437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody wanted to screw up your x statistics. < 1359485277 477201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It Must Be A Coincidence[tm]: HackEgo has a giant peak at characters-per-message = 10; the string "No output." has ten characters. < 1359485285 386965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/esostats/charfreq_x.html < 1359485325 952581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Whenever I see people say "lib/lab/con parties are the same, I'm voting UKIP" I read it as "coke and pepsi are the same, I'm drinking piss"' < 1359485359 27357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The peaks there are things like http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-10-25#163851fungot for example. < 1359485359 284557 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm not such fan of stacks, probably because he was expelled and couldn't sit his exam that he was going to < 1359485409 336326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacks proved that he was unable to form an orderly queue < 1359485620 607836 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I like my eels kanjied, even if common usage disagrees. < 1359485637 419322 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, whatevs. < 1359485664 363380 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like having an excuse to not remember the animal kanji. :P < 1359485741 652627 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I handwrite it, I use katakanas cause my penmanship is abysmally bad. < 1359485760 875725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359485804 694416 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly, my Japanese handwriting is halfway decent. < 1359485844 788856 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this handicap called "left handedness". < 1359485849 305672 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1359485954 95973 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Burn the witch!) < 1359485989 900983 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :魔女燃やして！ < 1359486193 397355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeh... I think, last time I checked, that I'm far from being on the 女 side of humanity. < 1359486218 124580 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be trans and not know it? :P < 1359486402 373669 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359486709 594401 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION はpikhqを大きなニジマスでひっぱたく。
< 1359486758 951485 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartass. < 1359486869 305153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently... ♪
< 1359486953 785172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :共産主義の話をやめる、我々は戦争に勝った。 < 1359486994 93444 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate I assume? < 1359487007 55048 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU CHALLENGING MY JAPANESE PROWESS < 1359487033 49948 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that ended up being a remarkably understandable translation. < 1359487055 756449 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite *right*, but remarkably understandable. < 1359487083 48556 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stop the communist talk; we beat you in the war." or some such < 1359487129 661877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: So. < 1359487133 7934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@left handed < 1359487133 645891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : TemplateHaskell is not enabled < 1359487142 450685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too. < 1359487149 48201 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Considering that what I entered was grammatically incorrect, that's pretty good. < 1359487153 886097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually pretty awesome that they write from right to left. < 1359487154 228091 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stop talking communist, we won the war." < 1359487168 563510 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1359487176 24935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stroke order however is right handed. < 1359487185 855227 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What it jacked up was it didn't use the imperative at all. < 1359487212 112405 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "(someone) stops talking communist, we won the war" is more what the Japanese actually says. < 1359487225 237804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it didn't use the imperative, then didn't it really say something more like "You st—right. < 1359487630 737788 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a = max {n, m} and b = min {n, m} < 1359487630 954877 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :find q and r in a = q*b + r ; now compute the same with b = a and a = r until r = 0 < 1359487650 971753 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a recursive or iterative way of writing the Euclidean algorithm? < 1359488281 386534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1359488543 323585 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359488552 490245 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359489450 693199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that matter? < 1359489461 169457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement it recursive < 1359489463 139626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or iterative < 1359489469 434357 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the way I formulated it < 1359489475 108458 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that recursive or iterative < 1359489479 897741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are bijective. < 1359489487 885467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1359489490 836466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until sounds iterative < 1359489515 944400 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, edge condition for recursion? < 1359489543 19 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it is somehow iterative in that way, but on the other hand it seems recursive < 1359489556 253593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the are the same as far as I'm concerned. < 1359489558 344792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they < 1359489580 238727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i = 0; i < 10; i ++ { i++;} < 1359489586 56069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that recursive or iterative? < 1359489595 343801 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterative < 1359489609 286842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359489619 188966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1359489622 560804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*j++ < 1359489623 892614 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly wrote the interation step: i++ < 1359489627 762235 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iteration < 1359489632 424152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1359489639 658888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let i = 0; < 1359489668 18825 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but now you could formulate it different < 1359489672 986575 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359489675 984029 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would do the same thing, only in a recursive way < 1359489695 898041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment j and i as long as i is smaller than 10 < 1359489700 963317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that recursive or iterative? < 1359489703 854769 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359489707 446517 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to wikipedia, you need: < 1359489708 637483 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : A simple base case (or cases), and A set of rules which reduce all other cases toward the base case. < 1359489733 707527 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mathematical iteration is defined as applying a function to itself < 1359489756 959145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: iterative == tail recursive, essentially < 1359489762 144155 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359489782 13010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go with an algorithm is an algorithm and you can implement it either recursive or iterative < 1359489799 162828 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha, and the example I gave was tail recursive < 1359489816 205637 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain my confusion < 1359489859 84741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : although it should be noted that usual I don't know what I'm talking about < 1359489859 800712 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I agree, but I was just wondering about this particular formulation of the algorithm < 1359489864 834561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually < 1359489933 15072 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose the following algorithm: < 1359489933 232448 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :compute b = a + 1 and then make the same calculation with b < 1359489971 143550 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would be f(x) = x+1, f(f(f(...(x)...))) < 1359489984 287956 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can be seen as iterative < 1359490015 798884 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also see it as f(x) = f(x -1) + 1 < 1359490025 135252 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is recursive < 1359490047 176438 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way I formulate didn't really tell whether or not I mean the former or the latter < 1359490074 574720 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although would it be a problem if the function took 2 parameters? < 1359490088 780136 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess you could still do function composition < 1359490699 976111 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1359492206 146895 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359492618 463646 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1359493835 498868 :j4kudl4ty!~PircBot@ip-194-187-74-235.konfederacka.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1359493836 34232 :j4kudl4ty!~PircBot@ip-194-187-74-235.konfederacka.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1359494427 340994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#django is like 10:1 questions:answers :( < 1359494577 163448 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359494578 355539 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :##questionsonly is 10:0 questions:answers. < 1359494613 445797 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1359494620 473507 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :##answersonly is 42 < 1359494641 554404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you did there. < 1359494877 461751 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359495026 545182 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1359495066 141464 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1359495796 655199 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1359495944 114870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . read <$> words "72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33 10" < 1359495946 294594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello, world!\n" < 1359496000 720675 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr <$> [0xC3, 0xA9] < 1359496002 204247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\195\169" < 1359496225 881448 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1359496288 439171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ElisaL < 1359496294 425102 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1359496295 293313 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElisaL: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1359496338 454043 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1359496414 676989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit quiet here at the moment < 1359496524 898458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359496539 750058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shouts
< 1359496550 862093 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of voids, of unanswered mythical questions, of puzzlements, of weirdness (even if we aren't going to reach next Friday in a while), and kmces who shout. < 1359496560 147328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shouts at fungot
< 1359496561 54248 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: doesn't r5rs define core features and then library functions? < 1359496566 673703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does it? < 1359496567 382323 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yep. i'm using drscheme)? < 1359496571 649962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1359496571 895169 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1359496574 532390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1359496575 5582 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1359496576 915629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shouts at fungot
< 1359496577 357987 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: flag1 is a one's place, then you'll be able to understand. beginning and advanced programmers leave let out because it's the lowest location used. it concludes with the crsr keys. < 1359496599 546828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice alliteration there < 1359496672 23113 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359496681 894030 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1359496714 533620 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359497080 425350 :ElisaL!~ElisaLlut@194.Red-88-13-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1359497710 754687 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $((-2**63/-1)) < 1359497764 79845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1359497780 110127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63/-1 < 1359497781 613430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `/-' < 1359497781 830900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1359497781 831084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `-' (imported from P... < 1359497787 251463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63 / -1 < 1359497789 383185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1359497800 447304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $((-2**63/-1)) < 1359497801 955232 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point exception < 1359497821 675660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that was nasty. < 1359497926 315131 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1359497941 534324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're not paying by the character, you can say "cursor" and not have to abrv it as "crsr". < 1359497941 751647 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one of the easiest way to translate sheet music for your statements might not otherwise run in the < 1359497948 609591 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's running on a 32bit machine? < 1359497958 313518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-1-87.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1359498019 142303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Int < 1359498020 356813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807 < 1359498023 135079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit < 1359498028 386138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"terminated"? < 1359498052 510040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… is that parsed as -(2**63) or (-2)**63? < 1359498055 407399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it has to be the latter < 1359498084 674716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well (-2)**63 == (-2)**31 on a 32-bit machine < 1359498136 409405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-2)**63 Haskellwise is a Floating, anyway? < 1359498145 678307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63 / -1 < 1359498147 137291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1359498147 353912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `GHC.Real./' [infixl 7] and prefix... < 1359498163 905406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated just means lambdabot timed out for whatever reason < 1359498200 403567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2**63 < 1359498201 889593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9.223372036854776e18 < 1359498273 266344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kqueue.org/blog/2012/12/31/idiv-dos/ -- oh ho, that's been even in PostgreSQL. < 1359498313 602175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a level in the io wargame too < 1359498340 121930 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = x in x < 1359498343 756142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1359498372 752628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's Terminated because it got a SIGFPE signal < 1359498383 163587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly caught by GHC runtime, possibly not < 1359498395 264301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um no it isn't, it doesn't parse hth < 1359498399 423180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1359498400 843824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359498403 872949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why that result < 1359498408 471476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2**63) / (-1) < 1359498409 931310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.223372036854776e18 < 1359498413 43544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1359498418 209612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2**63) / (-1)) :: Int < 1359498419 631398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Types.Int) < 1359498419 848701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1359498422 841163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1359498425 600516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sometimes lambdabot gives Terminated just when it's too busy < 1359498426 945644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2**63) `div` (-1)) :: Int < 1359498428 366303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Types.Int) < 1359498428 583090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1359498441 120027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2^63) `div` (-1)) :: Int < 1359498442 672661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: arithmetic overflow < 1359498444 952230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1359498454 725659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we are < 1359498474 626287 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fiora mentioned that there are processors that give you 0x8fffffff and 0x80000000 < 1359498479 860046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-2^63) - 1) :: Int < 1359498481 357336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807 < 1359498484 378510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: heh < 1359498552 195998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about processors that give you 0x100000000 except somehow stuffed in 32 bits, maybe by making the 0s a bit less wide than usual? < 1359498567 482171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there such processors < 1359498567 739949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might burst < 1359498578 85614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, compressed integers? < 1359498585 20665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blorp, goes the processor, bit juice leaking all over the place. < 1359498589 145719 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most processors can't handle more than 1:1 bitcompression < 1359498595 792384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of the old microcomputer trick: format your tapes several times, not just one < 1359498603 215360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each time the tape stretches a bit and you get more storage < 1359498629 683538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then *snap*? < 1359498640 311055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that was for the ZX Microdrive < 1359498686 933391 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the tapes could become vulcanizing if you stretch them, so that if you do that one time too many you end up with a solid puck of tape < 1359498804 44498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular 1440k floppies you could (FSVO "could") quite well format at 1600k or 1680k for a bit of extra space. < 1359498863 734782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, it probably wouldn't stretch anything.) < 1359498864 7476 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had some 2.88MB floppies that I accidentally reformatted as 1.44MB and I had no tools that could add back the 2.88MB magic < 1359498873 328168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I was slightly sad < 1359498908 303504 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does formatting a floppy drive actually redraw the lines between bits? < 1359498911 976242 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, floppy disk. < 1359498920 441388 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floppy disks have little lines painted in between the bits, right? < 1359498945 63206 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359498955 603578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humunculus with the chalk walks out and redraws the lines, yeah < 1359498956 82072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to draw the line somewhere < 1359498984 338481 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I kinda expected the lines to be permanent somehow. < 1359499027 170632 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose this means that a formatted floppy disk necessarily has a finite lifespan, since every time you write to it, the bits move around a little bit, and eventually some of the bits will get too close together. < 1359499031 9458 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right? < 1359499063 564392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the bits actually move around, they just change magnetization < 1359499093 661735 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, if you draw new bits on top of old bits, you're not going to get them in exactly the same place that you did before. < 1359499174 793171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnets, how do they work < 1359499206 264425 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk_format < 1359499379 387488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Linux you could just access/fdformat the /dev/fd0H{1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920} device -- going as high up as you dare. < 1359500136 406401 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1743? why an ugly odd number between all those beautiful evens? < 1359500193 876464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's parityist < 1359500299 442254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1743/3 < 1359500301 143687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 581.0 < 1359500319 547291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 1743 < 1359500320 771545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1743: 3 7 83 < 1359500388 950890 :atehwa!atehwa@188.127.205.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1359500390 205182 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rule for determining divisibility by seven? i forget. < 1359500394 475521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920" | xargs -d, -1 factor < 1359500395 373754 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs: invalid option -- '1' \ Usage: xargs [-0prtx] [--interactive] [--null] [-d|--delimiter=delim] \ [-E eof-str] [-e[eof-str]] [--eof[=eof-str]] \ [-L max-lines] [-l[max-lines]] [--max-lines[=max-lines]] \ [-I replace-str] [-i[replace-str]] [--replace[=replace-str]] \ [-n max-args] [--max-args=max-args] \ [-s < 1359500426 343132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920" | xargs -d, -n 1 factor < 1359500428 597533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600: 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 5 \ 1680: 2 2 2 2 3 5 7 \ 1722: 2 3 7 41 \ 1743: 3 7 83 \ 1760: 2 2 2 2 2 5 11 \ 1840: 2 2 2 2 5 23 \ factor: `1920\n' is not a valid positive integer < 1359500440 124952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "1600,1680,1722,1743,1760,1840,1920" | xargs -d, -n 1 factor < 1359500442 83111 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600: 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 5 \ 1680: 2 2 2 2 3 5 7 \ 1722: 2 3 7 41 \ 1743: 3 7 83 \ 1760: 2 2 2 2 2 5 11 \ 1840: 2 2 2 2 5 23 \ 1920: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 5 < 1359500476 869212 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359500501 377919 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night everyone! < 1359500503 37266 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1359500551 299952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like several of them are multiples of 21 < 1359500553 609034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go ahead and suspect it had 83 tracks and 21 sectors/track. < 1359500634 878003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the standard 1440 comes from 80*18.) < 1359500736 951805 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359500801 635163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1660 == 80*20, 1680 == 80*21, 1722 == 82*21, 1743 == 83*21, 1760 == 80*22, 1840 == 80*23, 1920 == 80*24] < 1359500803 368182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [False,True,True,True,True,True,True] < 1359500808 150638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1359500808 894197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1359500815 180871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1600 == 80*20, 1680 == 80*21, 1722 == 82*21, 1743 == 83*21, 1760 == 80*22, 1840 == 80*23, 1920 == 80*24] < 1359500816 919000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,True,True,True,True,True,True] < 1359500870 308549 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the seven rule is weird. < 1359500908 660271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :divisibility by seven? < 1359500910 765817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and [1600 == 80*20, 1680 == 80*21, 1722 == 82*21, 1743 == 83*21, 1760 == 80*22, 1840 == 80*23, 1920 == 80*24] -- OPTOMIZED FOR HUNAM PROCESSING OF OUTPUT < 1359500912 717364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1359500916 165594 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven rule? < 1359500932 996454 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, like the "add up the digits, if the sum is divisible by three it is" rule for three < 1359500952 156746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, that works because 3 divides 10-1 < 1359500969 172984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rule for 11 works because 11 divides 10+1 (duh) < 1359500985 980652 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1359500986 217667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules for 2 and 5 work because they divide 10 < 1359500989 379042 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you're saying is we need more octal < 1359501000 342529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 7 doesn't divide anything before 1001 afair < 1359501011 343152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1001/7 < 1359501013 471401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 143.0 < 1359501119 692094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 999/7 < 1359501121 666249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 142.71428571428572 < 1359501136 242684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um duh. < 1359501162 441101 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo should be 141, just to make sevens more unique < 1359501171 65352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1359501188 482607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and n/7 for non-multiples of 7 are all rotations of 285714 < 1359501218 409683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last digit multiply by 2 subtract from rest test that for div by 7 < 1359501219 355315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1359501256 856963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 999999/7 < 1359501258 986691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 142857.0 < 1359501287 352060 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep < 1359501313 683455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqqqqqq < 1359501313 900392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1359501318 897321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah < 1359501335 546475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they're for stuff < 1359501350 650664 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh can't you at least yell at me or something < 1359501377 260762 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359501381 762455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: FUCK FUCK SHIT SHIT FUCK < 1359501383 431426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1359501392 618422 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1359501392 835057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary swearing < 1359501404 645353 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 132 < 1359501439 624945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just 25 afaict < 1359501611 377501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1359501837 895937 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1359502936 575054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a feeling Gregor would agree with it
< 1359502937 47702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/17hz0y/git_ui_is_a_nightmare_of_mixed_metaphors/ < 1359502956 523166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the git UI is awful < 1359502966 216628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the data model is elegant and the tools compose < 1359502967 829353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like UNIX < 1359502977 480772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the UNIX data model is not actually elegant < 1359503014 596045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data model is broken in git < 1359503026 591910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1359503030 148000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: any #esoteric discussion about scapegoat < 1359503040 678061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like breaking broken data models down to "the simplest thing you can't do" < 1359503054 309609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's scapegoat? < 1359503056 230706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in git, that's pulling some but not all patches from an upstream branch < 1359503075 701531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scapegoat is a VCS (which #acehack have branded "the #esoteric VCS"), which nobody has made a serious attempt at writing < 1359503095 928158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that easily, but you lose the link between the upstream patches and your patches < 1359503099 285343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basic concepts, we've got down < 1359503123 890559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, you can diff and apply patches (and there's a command to do that automatically) < 1359503128 644100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't the same as tracking upstream if it's not linear < 1359503144 836525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rebase preserving merges, although it is pretty nasty < 1359503158 412850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and I don't want to do all this manual work < 1359503172 812659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs gets this particular problem right, incidentally, although it fails on others < 1359503173 348295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i wouldn't say that the Git data model is 'broken'; of course there are some things it doesn't support well, but it provides a pretty good ratio of power to complexity < 1359503206 326738 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1359503236 321970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the problem is that it has no concept of anything but snapshots < 1359503243 302058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't understand the notion of a change < 1359503248 868818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so has to run crazy merging algorithms each time < 1359503267 16672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions differ on whether this is a good or a bad thing < 1359503273 9999 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1359503280 953103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it much easier to understand what you actually have in your repository and how it relates to other stuff < 1359503319 683036 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1359503330 2724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which helps when your UI is broken < 1359503337 974979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if Git's UI were better, it could support a more complex data model < 1359503382 569046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1359503589 563025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1359503591 419609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1359503612 910520 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1359503627 530757 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they picked the name to be intuitive like that < 1359503631 329192 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1359503659 638984 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they pick that name, anyway? < 1359503711 535311 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are category theory fetishists < 1359503782 227177 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the category theorists. < 1359503877 969972 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because category theory is a ruse to overload normal words and combinations of everyday prefixes and suffixes with complex and arcane meanings < 1359503891 199745 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was math generally. < 1359503932 345128 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-216-83.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not generally to the extent that category theory and other forms of abstract algebra do < 1359503952 89716 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm sure we'll never run into issues with "group"